362: He's Posting More Chickens!
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 362, and today's show is brought to you by Instabug,
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Privacy and DoorDash.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow.
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Hello, Jason.
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Hey, is this Upgrade, the podcast that I listen to that I'm occasionally on?
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You're completely back now.
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Welcome back to the show.
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I am completely back.
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I guarantee that I will be on this whole episode and not disappear in the middle for a while.
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How would you know, right?
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You'd have to wait and see what happens when I put some real fun.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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#snowtalkquestion comes from Mark and Mark wants to know, "Do you use a screensaver on
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your Mac or do you just dim your screen?"
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Yeah, I use Arial like everyone else.
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I like to see it.
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I like to see it on the Apple TV.
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I don't know why I use it.
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I don't know why I don't have some other screensaver or no screensaver.
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It's on for a very small amount of time.
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I've got some sort of window in between when it dims the screen entirely where the screensaver
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My answer is, Mark, yes, I can tell you I do.
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Why I do, I don't know.
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I think it's more like a mistake than something else.
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I find no value on it.
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Arial is the one where it flies around and shows you the scenery, the international spaces.
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The Apple TV screensaver is the Arial screensaver.
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On your Mac?
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Is this built in?
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Or did I maybe...
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I think you've got an app called Arial, A-E-R-I-A-L maybe, because they're not built into the Mac,
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the Apple TV screensavers.
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Maybe I downloaded a thing that lets you do the...
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I mean, I've got it.
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I've got Arial as my screensaver, and it's literally the Apple TV screensavers.
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I'm going to put in the show notes what I think you have, which is a...
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Oh, you're right.
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So this is how little care I put in to my screensavers.
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A million years ago, there was a story about how you could get the Apple TV screensavers
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on your Mac, and I downloaded the thing and promptly forgot about it.
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So it's there.
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I'm not going to put in your Apple TV screensavers on it, but I'm going to invalidate this whole
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Snell Talk question now by changing it to something else maybe.
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I did Arabesque for a while, which is like all the weird patterns.
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And of course, back in the day, Flurry was the classic.
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But really, it doesn't matter.
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I don't see it very often.
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And then my screen blanks after a short amount of time.
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So I've got show screensaver set to 30 minutes, and I've got turn display off to an hour.
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So for half an hour, if I step away, which I'm very rarely gone, but yeah, I am gone
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sometimes for an hour, that half an hour, it will play the aerial screensaver.
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In Monterey, I can do that cute little hello screensaver.
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Is that in Monterey?
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I think so, yeah.
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Because I have it set...
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I have that one, the hello screensaver on my iMac set after 20 minutes.
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And that is the color match screensaver that comes with the new iMacs.
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So I have that.
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I have that set for 20 minutes.
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I never otherwise would have a screensaver, but I really like this screensaver.
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And it comes as default on these Macs with the color match one that you're using.
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And it fills me with joy whenever I see it.
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So I do have that on there.
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So while we're talking about screensavers, and I used to be a big fan, I was on the screensaver
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beat briefly at Mac User when I started there.
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I wrote about After Dark and all of that back in the day, Flying Toasters, all those things.
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I even judged, they had a contest for like, people wrote screensavers and the After Dark
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people had a whole contest of like, what were the best submitted screensavers.
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And I was a judge in that.
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Things were really different back then, weren't they, Jason?
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It was a wild time.
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People were very excited about screensavers.
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And then there was underwear, which was the screensaver that ran on your desktop while
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So stuff happened on your desktop while you worked, which was a pretty wild thing.
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But the screensaver, my favorite screensaver of all time, and I used it for a very long
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time, it doesn't work anymore as far as I can tell.
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And I liked it because it was funny and because it also made a statement about bad network
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It was a screensaver called Surveillance Saver.
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And basically what Surveillance Saver did is there were whole networks of webcams in, and
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this is in the, I'd say early 2000s, where they're internet connected security cameras.
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And if you didn't change the default password, anybody could see what was on the camera.
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And Surveillance Saver had a catalog of all of them and would just take you to random
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security cameras every 20 seconds, it would flip to a different one.
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And first off, that's hilarious.
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Like don't do that.
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But the thing that I loved about it is that I think in the end, its list wasn't that large.
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And so you'd get favorites.
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And there was this bar in somewhere in Russia.
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And I loved that camera so much because you're flipping, you're like, oh, we're in the bar.
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And it would be like these Russian guys, like with their heads down on the bar, like passed
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out, or maybe they're active and they're moving to the music and you never know what you're
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going to get.
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There was also a lot of like a corridor or a dumpster outside some building that was
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also, I thought very, very funny.
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But anyway, Surveillance Saver, that was from a different time.
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Although we still live in an age where people have the default password for things.
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So it's not great.
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It's not great.
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Sometimes you truly never know where a Snell Talk question is going to take you.
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You never do.
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It could take you into the flying toasters for all we know.
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If you would like to send in a question to help us open an episode of the show, just
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send in a tweet with the hashtag Snell Talk or use question mark Snell Talk in the RelayFM
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members discord.
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So Jason, let's do a bit of summer of fun here.
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You were gone last week.
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Where were you?
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Because was revealed, I think in the Upgrade Plus.
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And you never know when you're doing...
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So we recorded my portion of that episode last week, two weeks ago, right after we recorded
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episode 360, Upgrade 360, your high quality audio.
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We didn't even talk about that, right?
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Because we didn't know.
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We got several people who wrote in after we released our lossless edition and our incredibly
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low resolution edition.
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We had several people write in to say, "Oh man, the lossless edition, it sounds so much
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You should always do a lossless edition."
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And my response was, "I think probably what you're sensing is that you're listening to
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it like in a web browser instead of in Overcast with voice boost and smart speed turned on.
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And so it sounds different, not that it sounds better."
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Although there is at least one emailer who has insisted that it does sound better on
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his iPad speakers, which I find also a little bit hilarious that like, "Oh yes, really you
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have to use an iPad speaker for the true lossless audio experience."
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I don't know.
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Anyway, thank you to everybody who wrote in about our little ironic experiment.
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But after that-
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There was more people who downloaded those files than I was expecting.
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I kind of assumed it would be like a hundred people or something.
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I'm actually going to look right now.
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I haven't looked since like the first couple of days, but let me see what we've got here.
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It was kind of for each one of them, it was about 3000 people went and did that, which
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I think is kind of hilarious that many people decided to go and check out our weird and
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wonderful audio.
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And the low resolution one where it's like you're listening to it at the bottom of a
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swimming pool is amazing.
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It's so bad.
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It's terrible.
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That one's so bad.
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I was so pleased about just how bad it was.
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So anyway, after we were done with that episode, we recorded my portions of 361.
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We talked about streaming services and we did Snell Talk and we did Ask Upgrade.
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And then you, over the week, you recorded in the middle.
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But what's funny about that is that you're making promises about the future.
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So it's like, "Oh, Jason, where are you today?"
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I'm like, "Okay, on a beach in Hawaii, probably."
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And then we finished doing upgrade.
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And I literally, then I got in the car and drove to the airport.
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So that was my Monday two weeks ago.
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It turns out that on that following Monday, I was indeed at one point on a beach in Hawaii.
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So it all worked out.
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We did a family trip.
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My daughter was down from school for a few weeks after the school year let out.
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She's going to go back up to Oregon, but she's been down for a few weeks.
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And we went for 10 days to Maui, where you went on your honeymoon.
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We were in Kihei, which is the sort of sunny beach town part of Maui.
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And yeah, 10 days, I've always thought I very...
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Usually my vacations are not that long.
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And this is the point where somebody said, I think last week I saw a tweet went by that
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said, "You know you're listening to an American when they talk about a 10-day long vacation
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as being a long vacation."
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I'm like, yeah, it's true.
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I'm not denying it.
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But I always have felt like the 10 days is where you get that sort of, you're able to
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fully kind of unclench from your life and be there and let it kind of wash over you
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if it doesn't really matter.
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We're here for a while.
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And I was once again reminded that that's actually true.
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That after a week, it feels like we just got here and now we have to go.
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After 10 days, I would have, don't get me wrong, would have liked to stay longer, but
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it was also like, okay, we had a good time.
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That was really nice.
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And it was...
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And so 10 days, haven't done that in a while.
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I like Maui.
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We were there two years ago for what was essentially my daughter's graduation from high school trip,
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but she broke her foot while she was dancing in her dance class.
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And so that was our trip to Hawaii where we couldn't walk anywhere because she couldn't...
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She was in a boot, the ugly shoe, we called it.
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She was in the ugly shoe.
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And so we go to the beach, but she had the ugly shoe.
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So this was kind of like a replay of that because we had such a great time and we wanted
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to go back and also at this time she wouldn't have a broken foot.
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And we did have a great time.
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So I love Hawaii.
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It's my favorite.
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And I go there and I'm like, "Oh man, I built up Hawaii way too much."
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And it's not gonna... it's gonna disappoint me.
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And you know what?
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It never disappoints me.
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It really doesn't.
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It's warm and breezy.
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And going in the summer is a little bit weird because as a kid, my parents took me to Hawaii
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a couple of times, which is why I fell in love with Hawaii.
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But there, when you're leaving the cold and rainy, going to Hawaii is like, "Oh my God,
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this is so much better."
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But the truth is this time of year here where I live tends to be foggy and cool.
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So it was a treat to be in actual summery conditions for that 10 days.
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So it was really nice to be there and to get away and to not bring a keyboard.
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I didn't bring a laptop.
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I didn't bring my iPad keyboard.
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I didn't bring a microphone, podcast or tip.
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I didn't do that either.
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I didn't edit any podcasts while I was there.
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I posted a couple of links where I'm scrolling through Twitter and I saw something interesting
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because I do have a website and the first week I was there, Dan Morin was also on vacation.
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So it's like sixcolors.com was just abandoned for a week.
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So I prewrote an article the previous week that posted and Steven Hackett wrote his members
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only piece that week.
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And I posted a couple of links from there and it was enough to keep the fire burning
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while we were both gone.
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So I did that, but that was about it.
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It was what I said to Lauren is I'm not going to do anything that I really consider work,
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but posting a link to Six Colors, like that's not, that's nothing.
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It's not a problem.
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Those posts tend to be, that's as easy as doing a share button and it's like replying
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Like it's that level of difficulty.
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So that was pretty easy.
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So yeah, it was great.
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I would like to talk to you about your Instagram because I feel like you were punishing me
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for some reason.
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So I'll give you an example of what happened here.
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So just as we're finishing up our recording and I say to Jason, I'm really pleased for
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Have a great time.
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I can't wait to see some photos, right?
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And like, yeah, okay, great.
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So Jason goes on his trip and then a couple of days in he posts a picture of some chickens.
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Chickens and I'm like, all right, fine.
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I'm looking forward to the better pictures.
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The next day, more chickens.
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You are in one of the most beautiful places on earth.
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All I want is oceans and beaches and like mountains and you're just like two, especially
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one of them is like one of the, like you basically, I don't know what you did, like 10 times optical
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zoom on this chicken or something.
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Like why were you nagging me with chickens for three days?
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What was that?
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Well, one of the things that I like about Hawaii is, especially since the hurricane
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blew through on Kauai, but even on Maui, this is the case.
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There are loose chickens everywhere.
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They're everywhere.
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Like when you're eating outside and stuff, there's just chickens everywhere, especially
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We found that.
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We went to a shave ice place and um, there were just like roosters and hens and little
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chicks running around.
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I think I know that exact place.
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So I think we had shave ice there.
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There's a beautiful cafe there.
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Really nice shave ice.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So and so they're cute and they're fun and I took pictures of them and um, I'll tell
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you it's a side effect also of being with the Apple watch where I'm not always, so Lauren
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brings her phone with her, but I didn't bring my phone with me a bunch of places because
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I have my Apple watch and that means I can't, when I don't have my phone with me, I can't
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take pictures and I can't post pictures on Instagram.
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So that was, that was part of it.
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I did get, I did finally get around to posting actual nice pictures, but, but the first few
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days it was, uh, it was just chickens.
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Basically for two days it was just me at home screaming to Adina, he's posting more chickens.
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That was kind of all like, I was very frustrated.
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So we went, yeah, we went to Lahaina to the Banyan tree in Lahaina and there was all these
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chickens around there and I took a picture of that and then we were on a little walk
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on a beautiful, just absolutely beautiful, um, uh, by the coast and all of that.
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Uh, and we were in the, on this resort that's kind of under construction and so you have
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to walk through this different path to, to go around the shoreline and they have this,
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it's essentially like a putting green kind of quality grass and there's these benches
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and we sit down to take a little break on our hike and, uh, and in front of us there
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are a bunch of chickens.
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And so of course, have I taken a picture of the, uh, of the beautiful scenery?
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No, but look at those chickens.
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So I took another chicken picture.
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So I'll make, I'll endeavor in all future vacations to post chicken pictures for you,
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I'll appreciate that.
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You're welcome.
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You're welcome.
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How did it feel to actually, to take a break?
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Were you, you know, we, were you anxious in any way?
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Like how did it feel to take that trip?
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I mean, I felt like I really needed it.
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I'm like, like it, somebody who works at home and very rarely leaves my house.
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And we'd done a couple of, of trips during COVID where we went to our friends who have
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a rental in Sonoma for a couple of days where they had nobody else going.
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And we just sort of slid in there for a couple of days.
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We did that in September and we did that in February, but it, and being somewhere else
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was nice, but like, it's been quite a while since I've gone away somewhere and just sort
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of not worked.
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I can not work here, but it's not a way.
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And I've gone away to like visit my mom and I've also worked, but to, to get those two
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things together, it's just, it reminds me that, um, that vacation are important for
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me just to get away, um, and to kind of heal a little bit.
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And with, uh, with the pandemic, it's been, it's been impossible to do that in certain
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I think also one of the things that I was thinking about is the difference between a,
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an isolation trip and, and a kind of not isolation trip.
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Like this is not, we didn't go to a place where there's no internet, right?
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Like I'm part of that is a decision that I made, which is, I mean, first off, there's
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a reality that like my kids would mutiny if there was no internet, but also for me, like
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I want to read stuff on the internet too.
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Like that's not, that's not the burden that I bear as a person in the 21st century.
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It's like, I want to read that stuff too.
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I want, I, I, I'm not trying to get away from that part of it.
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I'm trying to get away from the grind.
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So I was on Twitter and I was in Slack and I saw what people were doing and people were
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talking about.
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And so you could make an argument that like, there's a whole other level of vacation that
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is this isolation.
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And you know, I, I could do that, but that was not, I didn't feel like I needed to do
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that and I didn't bother.
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And I was okay with that.
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Like I, I, I, uh, I don't know, cause I, sometimes I feel maybe I've just got an internal judge,
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but sometimes I feel like I've internalized the, the judging of the internet, which is
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like, well, you're on vacation.
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Why are you looking at Twitter?
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Why are you in Slack?
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It's like, yeah, I like those things.
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Those are not the things I'm trying to heal from and escape from.
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Um, reading about like the soccer or, you know, watching the baseball all star game
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or seeing what's going on or watching, you know, Disney plus or like, I'm not trying
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to escape those parts of the world.
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Really I'm trying to escape the grind of doing podcasts and writing articles and doing all
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and scheduling things and doodle and all of those things that I do.
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I am, you know, I'm trying to step off of that and not bring a keyboard and all of that.
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So what I found about Hawaii, which I found, um, very enticing when I was there is the
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time zone makes it really difficult to do any work, even if you wanted to.
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Cause you're far away from, from everyone, you know, this time of year, it's three hours
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behind California.
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So it's just as far behind California as California is behind New York.
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That means you're six hours behind New York.
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And of course that means you're 11 hours behind the UK and 12 hours behind Western Europe.
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So I, yeah, like everything already happened by the time I woke up and I was not waking
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up, I was not trying to wake up early either.
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So as the week went on, like everything had already happened and everybody was back asleep.
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And then in the evening, everything was kind of quiet on Twitter until the, the, the British
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people woke up.
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In fact, a funny thing about, about my Monday two weeks ago is we did upgrade.
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Then we did part of the next upgrade.
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Then I went to the airport and I traveled and I did all of this stuff and, and we were
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in our car and then we drive across the Island and we check in and we, we, we stopped by
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the grocery store.
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So we have stuff to eat in the morning and all of that.
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And we finally sit down, I sit down in our condo and I open a beer and I open Slack and
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I think, Hey, Hey Myke.
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And you were awake because it was already Tuesday morning.
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That was really funny to me.
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It was a very big, long Monday for me.
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Um, so long in fact that we did a podcast, I got on a plane, I traveled and all that.
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And then you had, you had slept and woken up and it was Monday morning or Tuesday morning
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because that's how far away Hawaii is.
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And that's a nice thing too.
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So I see the value in the kind of like total isolation thing, but it's not what I was looking
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And um, and I got what I was looking for, which is again, didn't have to write any articles,
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didn't have to record any podcasts and have to edit any podcast and have to do my, what
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I consider my job part of my job.
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I just got to kind of not, there's just the freedom of kind of not caring.
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I'm like, I can get up whenever.
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I don't have a reason that I have to wake up at a particular time.
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I don't have to go a particular place.
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And I also read like eight books.
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So there was that too.
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I love that.
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Well, I'm very pleased.
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They weren't all like full, like thousand page novels.
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There was, I've been going through a bunch of the Hugo award nominees for like short
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fiction and stuff.
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So I read like five novellas and a handful of novels too.
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And it's just, you know, nothing better than sitting on the beach and you read a little
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bit and then you go in the water and Bob around in the warm water for a while.
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And then you come back out, sit on the beach, read a little bit more.
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Oh, also app speaking of my Apple watch, I did at one point just, I was sitting on the
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beach listening to the waves, had my AirPod pro headphones in a pass-through mode so I
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could hear the waves and stuff and was listening to connected while sitting on the beach.
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That was pretty fun actually.
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I decided I didn't want to read anymore.
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I was a little tired of reading at that point.
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I just wanted to kind of look out at the clouds and stuff, but I wanted a little more stimulation
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than just the sound of the waves.
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So I had the sound of the waves and the sound of connected.
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Living the dream.
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Well, I'm very pleased for you.
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Very jealous.
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I hope that I can have a similar trip some point later in the year.
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That would be nice.
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Next week's episode, we're going to do a mic at the movies.
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We're going to talk about Loki.
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I really want to talk to you about Loki.
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So if people want to finish Loki before next week's episode, they can.
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And I'm naturally assuming that we will not be able to stop ourselves talking about the
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opening of Ted Lasso.
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So I figured that will probably come into conversation as well.
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So if you want to catch up by next week's episode, there's a couple of things you can
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go and listen to.
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Let's check out that next week.
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Are we done?
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Is this how the podcast works?
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We continue from here.
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I'm afraid you have to stick around.
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I have to do more than one segment?
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There's way more than this.
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I have a lot more for you today.
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I need more tea.
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Let me give you a break then.
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So Jason, I have some Apple TV+ news for you.
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I was collecting links.
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That's another thing I did while I was on vacation.
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There was all this news, and I was like, "Oh man, we're not going to cover this and upgrade
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for two weeks," but I just kept adding.
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We now have a little shared Apple note, and so I just keep seeing things, and instead
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of pasting them into our Slack chat, I just append them to the end of the note endlessly.
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And there was so much Apple TV+ and upstream news while I was gone, so we got to get to
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So the Apple are possibly attempting to require the film and TV show A24.
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A24 produce a lot of stuff, a lot of documentaries, a lot of movies, some television shows, and
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they already have an existing deal with Apple, which has included some stuff that's already
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come out and some movies and shows that are in production.
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And they're-
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But this is a rumor that they might actually buy the studio itself.
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It seems like A24 is attempting to put itself up for sale, and apparently, according to
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Variety, this was something that they potentially looked at in the past, but A24 seemed to not
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be interested then, but seemed to be now interested.
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The potential asking price is $3 billion.
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I have no real sense as to what that equates to when it comes to entertainment industry
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acquisitions.
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I feel like I'm much more put into tech stuff.
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$3 billion seems like a lot of money, but I guess if you get a lot of IP out of it,
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maybe it's worth it.
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So my question is, I don't even know if it's the intellectual property, and this was the
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question about when we talked about Reese Witherspoon's company, Hello Sunshine, the
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same rumor about Apple being possibly interested in that, is like, "Well, what do you buy when
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you buy a studio?"
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Apple already is sort of booting up a studio.
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I guess one of the things you buy is you buy talent in the sense of the people who work
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there and the machinery of the studio.
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So maybe it's a way to build and grow a studio fast.
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You do get whatever they've produced archivally and whatever they've got in the works.
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But that would be my question for people who are more in the know, which is like, if you've
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got an independent studio that's got a small catalog of films, but not a franchise or anything
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that you're getting out of it and not a huge catalog, when you spend $2 billion or $3 billion,
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is that what tech people would call an aqua hire?
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Are you really just trying to build out your studio ability and you're willing to pay for
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it as opposed to just spending money hiring people, which you could also do?
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That's my question.
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We've seen these stories about Apple potentially buying this stuff.
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And I think Apple's clearly kicking the tires here, but I do wonder if some of this is just
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a perception thing of like, "Oh man, Apple's got a lot of money.
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Maybe we can get some of that money."
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It's sort of wishful.
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Maybe they will acquire us.
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Because I do think Apple could just not, right?
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Apple could just keep building out its own studio structure.
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And in fact, instead of spending $3 billion on a studio, spend that money on hiring away
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the talent and paying them better, right?
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You could do that and you could build a studio.
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Buying a studio doesn't mean all those people are going to stay, right?
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That's the trick, right?
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Because certain people, they could do it where there's a deal, right?
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They get money if they stay for a certain period of time.
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But that's not going to be everybody.
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That's my fear about something like this is you're kind of buying an empty box.
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And at that point, because I look at this and I think, "Well, 824, it seems like a nice
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company, but I don't understand why what they produced, assuming that they have ownership
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stake and all of that stuff, that doesn't seem like it's worth it."
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And maybe they like the executives there, but I'm not sure that's worth it when you
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could just spend that money to build up your own thing.
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So that's the struggle I have with this and the Hello Sunshine.
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Hello Sunshine, at least, it's sort of like maybe Apple just really likes Reese Witherspoon
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and her sensibility and the work she does.
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Hello Sunshine one I understand a little bit more because it reminds me a bit more of Beats.
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Because you get, look, if they buy Hello Sunshine, Reese Witherspoon is going to work at Apple
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for a period of time, right?
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That just feels like a done deal.
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And Hello Sunshine has got a really great reputation.
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They already have multiple projects in the works.
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And if I'm Apple, I don't want another company to own any part of the morning show.
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And that might be a scenario too where they're like, "We love what Reese's company does and
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we love working with her.
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And so what we're going to do is we're just going to own it all."
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And then the other question is, do you own it all and fold it in?
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Or do you say, "We're just going to own it all and let it run.
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And all of those projects are going to come to us first.
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And if we sell it somewhere else, well, it's us.
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So we still get the money, but we just want to be in business with that person and that
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company that the person has built."
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Like I get that.
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And so maybe that's also the case for something like A24, but I struggle with it a little
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bit because if it's somebody who's really good and has built a good system and you think,
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"I don't want to mess with it and I don't want a competitor to buy it.
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So we'll just buy it and let it run."
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I kind of get it.
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But if it's literally just, "We could build it or buy it.
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Why don't we buy it?"
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Other than if Apple just wants it to happen fast and they're like, "We can just sweep
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in A24 and A24 becomes part of Apple Studios and we're done."
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Also A24 presumably will be a processor in 10 years.
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Because, you know, I was thinking like it must frustrate Apple that TAD Lasso has so
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many companies involved in it and they're just one of them.
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I mean, it is...
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Look, they had to do this to get off the ground, but it is the least Apple thing of all to
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think that Apple's banner project, the most important project, it turns out on Apple TV
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Plus at this point, is a Warner Brothers product.
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Well, see that...
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TAD Lasso, why I bring it up specifically is it has...
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It's got Doozer, which is the production company.
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Which is Bill Lawrence.
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Universal Studios and Warner Brothers all involved.
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Universal's involved because of the NBC thing.
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But they're still a part of it.
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And I think that's a great point where it's like they have one or two partners for some
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of their other shows.
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Of course, yeah, For All Mankind is Sony.
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Like of course there are partners and that's part of it.
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But like, I get why it's like that now, but it's not very Apple-like.
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And I think that Apple wanting to produce more of its own things, like how Netflix produces
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and Amazon produces its own things, it's inevitable.
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It's inevitable.
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I don't think Apple's ever going to be in a situation where Apple will never buy a show
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from another studio.
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That stuff happens.
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It will continue to happen.
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There are people that we're going to want to work with that are with another studio.
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It happens in that business all the time.
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But you know, the big stuff on HBO Max is from Warner.
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And the big stuff on Netflix is from Netflix.
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And the big stuff that's on Apple TV will be from Apple.
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It's inevitable.
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So that might be a reason for this sort of thing is we just got to get going on being
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our own studio and buying other studios helps us get there.
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So maybe that's their rationale.
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Apple is apparently trying to get in on NFL Sunday Ticket.
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What is NFL Sunday Ticket?
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Hello, sports fans, American sports fans.
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NFL Sunday Ticket is the package from the NFL that allows somebody to watch any NFL football
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So the way it works in America is every NFL football game is broadcast by a TV network.
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But the Sunday games are only shown locally.
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And I know that seems a little bit weird if you're not an American.
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But the idea there is if you're in Cincinnati, one of your channels is showing the Bengals
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game and the other channel is showing a random game that they've chosen.
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If you're in the Bay Area, one of your channels is showing a 49er game and the other channel
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is showing a random game.
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It used to be a Raider game.
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Now it's a random game, which means that there's this you can't if you're a fan of the Bengals
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and you live in the Bay Area, you can't see your team play unless they're on a national
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broadcast because that game isn't being shown in the local market.
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Instead, they're showing the Chargers, let's say.
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So Sunday ticket, you buy it and you get all those games, access to all those games.
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So you can watch all of them.
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They have their own red zone channel, which shows sort of like switches back and forth
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between all the games.
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Or you can just park it on one channel and watch that game.
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I used to buy this.
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Now I just get the red zone, but I used to buy this.
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It's an exclusive to DirecTV, which is a satellite provider, which is a really interesting wrinkle.
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It drove a huge amount of DirecTV sales because they were literally the only place they were
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that you could get this package.
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But that contract is running out.
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And the general feeling is that it's going to go to a streaming service that the NFL
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again, the NFL could sell it themselves direct.
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But I know we've talked about this before.
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Why sell it direct and just get money from people when you can instead get more money
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from a streaming service that's desperate to use it as a cudgel to beat people with
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to force them to subscribe.
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So basically as a consumer, the idea is they will overpay for this service in order to
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use it as a customer acquisition tool.
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So Apple being involved in it doesn't surprise me one bit.
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I think anybody who is serious about streaming in the US, about live streaming in the US,
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I guess I should say, has to view this as a super important possible product because
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it will, I mean, the NFL is the number one entertainment product in the US essentially.
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And this is giving you access to the entire NFL via streaming.
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It's a big deal.
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And in fact, if you're a sports fan and a cord cutter, presumably this package might
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even give you everything and you wouldn't even need the rest of it.
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I'm unclear on what the local blackout rules are.
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So it's a big deal.
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And we've talked about it here before.
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Sports is a huge, because it's live, it's a huge originally tool to be used by cable
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companies to keep people from cutting the cord.
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And now we're starting to see it switch, which it's also a tool for streamers to get
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people to land on their streaming service.
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If Apple were to get this, do you think they would, how would, would you think they would
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obviously charge for it?
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Would it be included in the deal?
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Well, that's a good question.
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Like would they make this like an Apple TV channel or an add on?
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We haven't seen a, an add on for Apple TV plus yet.
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So this could be something like that.
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I would, I, I would have a hard time.
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I mean, Apple has all the money.
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They could do it however they want.
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They could make it a pure acquisition thing.
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It feels more like they would do a, uh, like the Disney plus premier access thing where
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there'd be like Apple TV subscribers and you have to pay a price to get it for the, uh,
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for the year.
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Cause I was looking at it cause I don't really, and it's like $75 a month at the moment to
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buy the NFL Sunday ticket thing on its own.
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I think if I look correctly.
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I, yeah, I mean it's, it's only for during the football season.
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My memory is that it's, it's like a few hundred dollars to get it.
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And you have to get a satellite dish cause it's only on the satellite, right?
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Like it's, it's serious, right?
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I actually think this is also exciting because it's going to provide this service to more
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people than are currently able to even get this service because it's been locked to this
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one distribution mechanism.
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There's some, there's some shady ways that, oh, they're not shady.
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There's some ways that you can qualify to not get it on DirecTV, but it has to be like,
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literally I'm unable to receive a satellite signal and then they can sell you a streaming
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version of it.
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It's not from DirecTV.
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Like it's, it's a whole thing.
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So this is a big deal for Apple or any other streamer if they, if they want this.
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And I think the end result is going to be somebody is going to overpay because they're
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going to want to use it for customer acquisition, like I said.
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Number 10 shot.
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Right, right.
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It's that idea of like, it's not worth it.
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It's not worth it to pay beyond this.
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If it only was just worth it as an entertainment product, I think the NFL would just sell it
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themselves and keep all the money, but they can get more money from someone else who wants,
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who adds that value in of acquiring.
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And it could be Peacock.
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It could be like they're, they had existing deals with most of the broadcasters like ESPN,
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So it could be a Paramount Plus thing.
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It could be a Peacock thing.
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It could be an HBO max thing.
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I mean, it could be anywhere ESPN plus.
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But Apple has been, obviously Apple is intrigued by the idea of sports and by the idea of,
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of live events, not live TV and the sort of cable over the top cable replacement service
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sort of thing as much as in the, what if there was a live event thing and they haven't really
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broken that seal yet, but I think maybe there are strategy people at Apple who think they're
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going to need to do this because this is going to be an important strategic move to get people
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to subscribe to your service.
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Apple has done some new ideals with some large creators.
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I couldn't think of a better word than creators, but I think it works.
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Adam McKay has done a multi-year first look for feature films.
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McKay is recently most famous for movies like the big short and vice and is an Oscar winner.
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McKay is interesting because McKay had a long term relationship with Will Ferrell and basically
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made all comedy movies for a long time and great ones and then started making really
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good and serious movies.
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So he's an interesting figure and has set up a production company of his own recently,
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which is where some of these newer movies came from.
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And this, there is now a multi-year first look with Adam McKay is quite intriguing to
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I'm unclear whether all of his work is from his company or not.
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Cause this is technically a first look deal with his production company, but I would assume
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that other than whatever existing deals he's got, that the goal here is to, is to have
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his work come from this company.
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But first look is a big deal, right? because that's basically saying, if Apple wants it,
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you can buy it.
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Now I'm unclear what I don't see here in the, in the story about this is what that first
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look means in terms of theatrical release, because sometimes there's first look that
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means that Apple can buy it, but that part of the deal will be, you still need to screen
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it in a theater.
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And then it will go on Apple TV.
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And I don't know that because right, because that's a different thing is, is this, does
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this go direct to streaming or does it go to a theater and then go to streaming?
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I don't know that part, but it's another example of Apple getting in business with somebody
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who they consider, you know, a talented content creator.
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And this is Apple playing the HBO game to a certain degree, which they are absolutely
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The classic HBO, like we said last week, when I was pre-taped being the old HBO and being
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seen as paying a lot, having money and paying for quality and wanting to create kind of
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a quality selection of content, not do too much, but have it all be of a certain level
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One of the ways you play that game is by tying in creators who you like and you think do
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Also including Misha Green, who is also signed a multi-year overall deal for TV projects.
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Green is the creator of Lovecraft Country on HBO.
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So she, this is interesting too, because her show on HBO just got canceled and nominated
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for a bunch of Emmys, which is so painful.
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She's been tweeting out like her, her story outline or like the headings of her story
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outline for season two of Lovecraft Country.
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And Lovecraft Country is, it was a really good show and it's now been nominated for
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all these awards and HBO canceled it the week before it got nominated for those awards.
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I'm starting to wonder if the reason they canceled it when they did is so that they
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didn't have to cancel it after it got nominated for all of the Emmy awards.
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But this is, this is like quite literally Apple kind of coming in and saying, we know
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that HBO didn't take care of you, but we will take care of you.
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Interesting.
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And it's Ted Lasso season baby.
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This Friday season two begins and the Ted Lasso marketing machine is at 100% top gear
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full throttle right now.
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Season two reviews are out.
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I haven't read any of them because I don't feel the requirement to do it.
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But at the moment it is a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes with 24 critics reviews.
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So yeah, the reviews are positive and say that it sort of picks up where it left off.
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For those people who are worried that its initial success might have an effect on it,
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my understanding is that they wrote the whole season before there was any reaction to the
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first season, the whole second season.
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So the whole second season was conceived before they even knew that people loved Ted Lasso.
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They were already on it.
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Obviously they shot it afterward, but they were already writing it and conceiving it
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So this is great.
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By the way, a note for people who are excited about Ted Lasso, Apple is dropping the episodes
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one at a time.
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They're not doing their dropping three for the premiere and all that.
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They've already got a whole season of Ted Lasso in the can for people to watch.
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So they're going to drop them one at a time.
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And I think there are 12 episodes this season.
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It's an expanded episode order.
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It's not 10 like last year.
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So it'll be weekly for, I guess, 12 weeks as it rolls out.
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So you only get one episode at a time, folks.
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Now because of the way that TV and awards work, it's kind of strange because now is
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when a lot of the awards season is occurring for stuff that happened previously.
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So season one of Ted Lasso is now receiving all of its award nominations.
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It picked up 20 of Apple's 35 Emmy nominations.
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So Apple TV+ got 35 Emmy nominations across its whole slate, including Mythic Quest, For
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Mankind and others.
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But 20 of those went to Ted Lasso.
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This makes Ted Lasso the most nominated first season of a comedy show in history, being
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Glee, who was the previous holder of that title.
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Ted Lasso is also leading nominations in both the Hollywood Critics Association Awards and
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the Television Critics Association Awards.
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And again, the TCA also gave love for For Mankind and Mythic Quest.
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Disney's got a bunch.
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You know, it's obviously a big story, but Ted Lasso is leading the way in everything
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I mean, if we pull back for the bigger picture, it's kind of funny too that the Emmy nominations,
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which there was this whole story like, "Oh, look, Cable is on the Emmys now."
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And then it was, "Oh, some streaming is on the Emmys now."
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And I think there's one network TV show nominated in the drama category and in the comedy category,
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and everything else is on streaming.
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And it really is like, it's Netflix and Amazon and Disney+ and Apple TV+ and HBO Max.
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It's really just sort of reflecting what reality is, which is that it's all completely flipped
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But the idea that Apple, of all companies, has like some Emmy favorites at this point
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is hilarious.
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But I think that Ted Lasso is a favorite for a lot of these awards.
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I think that's, Apple's going to get some real hardware.
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Remember when you and I would be like, "Oh, Apple just wants to get that Oscar."
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And they want to get those Emmys.
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It's like, all right, well, it's going to happen now.
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This is, this is, yeah.
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I think Ted Lasso is cleaning up at the Emmys.
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I think it's going to do really, really well at the Emmys.
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Like probably at least 10.
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Like they're going to win a lot of Emmys, which is great.
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There was like, on all of this awards hype is just perfect timing for them because this
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is all happening.
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Like if you don't, like if you hadn't heard of Ted Lasso, wasn't sure of it, now it's
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like, "Oh, like this is really heavily awarded, like all nominated."
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And it's just the season two is getting ready to begin.
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There have also been some really great stories this week about how Jason Sudeikis basically
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just seems to be a lot like Ted Lasso, which is again, just like only warming people to
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There's a really amazing article that I don't want to spoil by Myke Ryan over at Uproxx,
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which is just really touching and really beautiful that I put in the show notes that people should
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Jason Sudeikis, it's funny too, because he played, he's played a lot of jerks.
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Like he's the strapping, broad shouldered white guy, jerk role in lots and lots of things.
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Handsome, charming, like kind of, yeah.
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He must be a jerk, right?
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And so Ted Lasso, yes, it seems like it's much more, he is a much more kind of thoughtful,
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sensitive guy and that Ted Lasso is channeling a lot of that.
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What I found funny, I'm not sure if it was in that Uproxx article or in a different article,
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but somebody, several people have asked him like, "Are you Ted Lasso?"
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And he, his usual response is, "Well, I'd like to be, I feel like the best parts of
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me are Ted Lasso."
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But there's one interview with Sudeikis that revealed that he would use that line and then
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his friends would receive, would see it and respond.
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And they would say, "No, that's not right.
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You are Ted Lasso."
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So like the people who know Jason Sudeikis are like, "You're not giving yourself enough
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credit as being a good person."
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So that's also kind of fun to hear.
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And then he went again, like he did on the, like, so they had a premiere for the show,
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which Tim Cook attended, which is really interesting to me.
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Oh yeah, he's got his arms around Jason Sudeikis.
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I think he only attended the premiere for the morning show.
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I think they didn't really have a lot of premieres, but I know he attended the morning show premiere
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and I could not find any, I was looking around for this today.
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I couldn't find any other premieres that he seemed to have attended.
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Of course he attended the Ted Lasso.
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I don't even think they had a premiere for the first season of Ted Lasso.
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But at this, Sudeikis is wearing a shirt, which is in support of some English footballers
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who have received racial abuse after the European Cup final, the Championship final.
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And so I, it's just again, it's like, "Oh look, he's Ted Lasso."
00:47:48
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Because he's just a genuinely good seeming person.
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Yeah, it's nice.
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Yeah, really great.
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And the show was great.
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And I think, yes, I think there's some truth in that, that the show being what it is, it
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is among all the other things that are great about it, it feels very authentic.
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I don't think people who were faking it could make that show.
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So I love it.
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Looking forward to it.
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Friday or if you want to stay up late, midnight Pacific on Thursday, you can tune that in.
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You know, we watched the Loki finale on Tuesday night when we were in Hawaii because those
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episodes drop at midnight Pacific.
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And so at 9 p.m. on Tuesday, ha, why people again, I'll just say it, hey, streaming services,
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you really should drop your shows at 8 p.m. Eastern time.
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That's when you should do it.
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Come on, come on, do it then.
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Or just do it so late that it has to be the next day.
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Like that, you know, anyway, I also want to give a recommendation for Schmigadoon, which
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is a new Apple TV Plus show that may have gone under the radar because the name is so
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complicated to think about, say, or like this is the musical.
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It is a musical based show.
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It is really weird and kind of cute and funny.
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So I thought it was a movie and it turns out it's a TV show.
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So that's one thing.
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I had that exact thing too.
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I originally thought it was a movie.
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I had no idea.
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Because it looks like a movie.
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The problem I have with the name is it's like, so it's like Brigadoon.
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And I saw the trailer and again, like I thought the trailer looked interesting, although I
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did think it was a movie, but calling it Schmigadoon, I feel like it's like too much.
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I think it's a bad name because it, it, it, first off, I think it's a hacky joke.
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And second, if you're really kind of playing a loving tribute to this, to name the location
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of your show and name your show after this sort of really dumb Brigadoon reference is,
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I don't know, I think it was a creative mistake, but having good things about the show, I will
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give it a try.
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It's, it's charming and funny and weird.
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And the cost is superb, right?
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Like the people that they've gotten.
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But I also, I, something about me that kind of likes when a TV show does something musical
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and then just hires a bunch of people that were clearly in musicals.
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Like I just kind of like that.
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There's just something about it.
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It feels very authentic to being a musical.
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Like the way that people move and talk, it feels like it's a musical.
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But what's funny is the main characters, they are not in the musical.
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So I recommend it.
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It's really good.
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It's really, really good.
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So considering we took our week off, I want to do a bit of catch up time.
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A lot of little stories to touch on.
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It's a weird time of year as well.
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So Beta 3 of iOS, iPadOS and macOS Monterey came out and the biggest changes is the Safari
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So a bunch of tweaks on iOS, but the most notable changes have been on the Mac.
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So on the iPhone, the address bar, the little floating address bar now stays pinned to the
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It lives above the keyboard when you bring the keyboard up rather than flying to the
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top of the screen like it did before, which is kind of wild.
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And they've made some other little tweaks and stuff to iOS, but the Mac has seen the
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biggest changes.
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Have you been playing?
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Have you had time to check out the new Safari at all yet?
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Only on iPad where it hasn't changed because that's the only beta I had with me and so
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no I haven't looked at the others.
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The iPad had some tweaks, but not a lot.
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Like they changed some of the spacing and they put a share icon back in the kind of
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top toolbar, which is good.
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On Friday when I was very jet lagged, I did update my beta Mac to the new beta and took
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a brief look at Safari enough to say that while it's nice that they brought back the
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address bar and all that, I actually think it's worse in some ways than the previous
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beta because the tabs are completely disconnected from the content to the point where I can't
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tell which tab is active when I'm using it.
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I think it's still really bad.
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The good news is that it is a work in progress and it's like the PR cycle for this is they
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announce it and they announce it with pride.
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And then behind the scenes, I think some of us who have been paying attention could tell
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that like even the PR folks and even the product manager folks, when they talked about it after
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the announcement, were not fully behind it.
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I just got a sense that maybe there was a little bit of uncertainty there.
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Hard to quantify that, but that was the sense I got.
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And now we have, there was a John Gruber post last week where he basically said, "Talking
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to folks at Apple, there are more changes to Safari coming."
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So we've entered the second phase of this, which is essentially damage control.
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It's basically saying, "I know that the initial Safari thing was really dramatic, but we know
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that it's a problem and we're fixing it."
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And I would ask, "Why did this not all happen before you announced it?
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Why did you have to announce it and then have everybody yell about it and now you're going
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to spend the summer trying to fix it?"
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But it's encouraging in the sense that what Gruber is reporting is, according to people
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inside Apple, this is not the end product.
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This is, they are now, and it's very clear, right?
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Like they had time to do something on the Mac and nothing on the iPad essentially with
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this interface.
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So I think we're going to be spending the next couple of months watching Safari kind
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of drift from beta to beta and hopefully land somewhere decent.
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- There's something I think about with this stuff is like, we'll get Safari, it will come
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out and it will be probably changed in some way, but much closer to what we had before
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than them, at least on the Mac and on iPadOS.
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I think it's going to look really different on the iPhone still, but they're just going
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to tweak it and make it a better experience.
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But it's always so, I find it interesting to think like that WWDC keynote, it's like
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wrong now, right?
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Like they should, it's like, "Here's Safari and here's all the stuff it does."
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But then by the time we get Safari at the end of it, you go back and watch it, that's
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not the same thing anymore.
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And I find that just like, it doesn't mean anything, but it's like an interesting thought
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to me of like, you know, just in these three months, it goes from like, we had this, we've
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been working on this and we have this great idea and it comes out and it just, it changes.
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So I've had this conversation a couple of times on podcasts the last couple of months
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where there's an argument to be made that one of the reasons that Apple sticks with
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features in the beta, even though that they're, even though they're controversial is because
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Apple believes in them.
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And sometimes the argument is that there's a precedent that is set, like you announced
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it at WWDC so that there's some sort of weight there on Apple to release what they announced
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at WWDC, the way they did it.
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I don't agree with that.
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As somebody who's been writing about in this beta cycle since they started doing it, where
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they announce a beta in June and then they roll it out in September or October, I can
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tell you that beta amnesia is real, that nobody except the super wired in technology nerds
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even remembers other than the most vague sort of announcements, if that from WWDC, the truth
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is we can write about it all we like and talk about it all we like in June and July and
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August, but most people are not paying attention until it shows up on their device or they're
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prompted to install it on their device in the fall.
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And so I think Apple, if having to choose between, oh, this is going to be a PR disaster
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and people hate it.
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And yes, but the precedent of WWDC, they're always going to go with a damage control and
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getting a better product that people like better in the fall.
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And so I think it is a weird historical document.
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It will be not what they ship, but I think the truth is almost nobody cares about what
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they announced other than us.
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And by the fall, we won't even care that much.
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So that's my argument is that I know that they put a lot into that and it's a little
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bit baffling that they immediately were like, oh yeah, that was a bad idea.
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Like, well, then why did you put it in the keynote?
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But the keynote, it drifting away from what the keynote shows, Apple's going to be fine
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with that because they just like, really it's like whistling past the graveyard.
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It's like, nope, nope, nope.
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Safari was always like this.
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What are you talking about?
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And they're just not going to even like WWDC is forgotten, right?
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That's why they restate OS features in the fall.
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And those of us who follow this stuff are like, yeah, yeah, yada, yada, yada, because
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we've heard it all before and it's like a rerun.
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But the reason they do it is they know nobody else was paying attention.
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And if they were paying attention, they didn't remember.
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So you know, but when it's on a new iPhone or a new Mac, then it's a big deal for them.
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MagSafe battery pack has appeared into existence.
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It is just a little battery brick that you stick to the back of your phone with MagSafe
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and it will wirelessly charge for you.
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There is Apple recommends a 20 watt charger for the best performance, but this is of course
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sold separately, but any charger will recharge the battery pack in your phone if you have
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them together, but it will just take a bit longer to do it.
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It appears to have a slightly smaller or not so slightly smaller battery than the previous
00:59:45
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cases that Apple made, like the battery charging cases.
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And somebody has been posting images on Reddit, I think, that they picked one up from in Memphis.
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So I don't know if Steven is involved, probably not, but who knows?
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It is a person called Steven, so I don't know, maybe it's actually Steven Hackett.
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Of this one, and I'll be honest, I think it looks super ugly, like it looks really weird,
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but it kind of, what does it matter how it looks?
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It's just a little battery that sticks on the back of your phone.
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I think it doesn't help that this person had a Max, they had a 12 Max, which I think it
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looks super weird on that.
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You'll notice in Apple's marketing materials, they do not show what this thing looks like
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on the largest phone.
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It's just on two smaller phones.
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I think that might be for a good reason.
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So yeah, they've updated the marketing materials, actually.
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There is one on the Max phone now, but it doesn't look as bad as the images that I've
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put a link to in the show notes.
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What do you think about this product?
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It's not for me, and that's kind of the end of that.
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Yeah, okay, so I'm going to go with you here and just say, it's also not for me.
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I have heard from people who are very excited about it, who talk about the ease of not having
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to have a cord or anything, and you just attach it and it almost fills your battery.
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If what you want is a super clean and simple, this is a blob, it magnetically adheres to
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the back of my phone, and then it gives it more power, and I don't have to carry around
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a different blob with a cable in order to do that, and that's worth it to me, then I
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can't stop you from buying this product.
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However, I think this is a terrible product, and I'll tell you why.
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It's not that big a battery.
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Inductive charging is super inefficient, which means that it's going to lose a bunch of what's
01:01:49
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in the battery and not transfer it properly to the phone.
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If you look at how much it will refill a phone, it's really not very good.
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It won't refill your phone from nothing.
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It'll get it up some, but it won't refill it.
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The stat-sized source suggested only the Mini could get a full recharge.
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Yeah, and I'm just going to top it off by saying, if you've got a big, heavy battery
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blob in your pocket, is it really that much more work to also have a little cable and
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have an efficient data transfer?
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And the answer, again, if the answer is yes, I just don't want that.
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I want this.
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It's super clean and simple.
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That's why Apple makes it.
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That's why they sell it, and you should get it.
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But I would say, for most people, if you want a battery to carry with your iPhone, there
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are better options that are going to charge it more and charge it more efficiently and
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So that's what I think about the MagSafe battery pack.
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I'm glad for the people who are excited about it, and they know who they are, but I would
01:03:00
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not buy one of these.
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If somebody gave me one, I guess I might use it, but I would never buy one.
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It seems like a really bad value to me.
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Yeah, I agree.
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If you're the type of person that wants it, you know you want it, and this is probably
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everything you wanted, but I agree with you.
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I think it's expensive.
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I think it's wild that the charger that's best for it, you don't get it with it for
01:03:24
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I don't think it looks that great.
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I think it's super thick, and the battery's small, and it won't charge my...
01:03:29
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If I'm going to buy any of these products, I want to get at least one full recharge of
01:03:34
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my phone out of it.
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Otherwise, I would look elsewhere.
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And plus, look, I'm not a MagSafe charging person anyway.
01:03:41
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I am a PopSocket user.
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I use the regular PopSocket and the magnetic PopSocket.
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I am a MagSafe charging person.
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And in fact, my iPhone has not been plugged in more than it was plugged in when I was
01:03:55
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on vacation, because I didn't bring a MagSafe charger with me on vacation.
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And I came back to the MagSafe charger, and I'm like, "Oh, MagSafe charger."
01:04:04
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But yeah, the truth is that this is...
01:04:06
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We're getting reaction to this in our chat room right now too.
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The reason you buy this is because you don't care that it's inefficient, and you don't
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care that it's thick.
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The point is it snaps on magnetically, and it puts more juice in your phone, and then
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you can take it back off.
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And you just want to keep it as simple as possible.
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And it is as simple as possible.
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You pay for that in numerous ways.
01:04:33
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But if that's your top priority, is just, "I want it as simple as possible," this is
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the product for you.
01:04:40
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And that's why I'm not saying don't buy it.
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I'm just saying that if you're somebody who wants to save money and get a better product,
01:04:48
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there's literally...
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You can spend less money and get something better, a lot better than this thing.
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So that's your trade-off.
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And just be aware of it.
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If I might read about this product at all, it's because I think a bunch of people are
01:05:00
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going to buy this who are just wandering into an Apple store, and it'd be like, "Oh, this
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looks really great," and assume that it's better than it actually is when there are
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much better options.
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But that's life.
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That happens all the time, that people buy things that are more expensive and not as
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good because they're in front of them or because they've got the right brand name on them.
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So I wanted to let it out there, that it's great that this product exists.
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I wouldn't buy it in a million years.
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This isn't saying that if you want it, that it's bad or you shouldn't get it.
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It's just different.
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No, go ahead and...
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Well, I'm going to reference back to last week's show.
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One of the things I loved about last week's show is that you and Merlin talking about
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what we had said the previous week, which is like, "Look, if it makes you happy, right?
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Like if putting a beta on your phone makes you happy, go ahead and do it.
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Life's too short.
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Put it on your phone.
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If this product is the one that delights you, buy it."
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But I do want to put out a note of caution there, which is there's actually a lot of
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asterisks attached to this product.
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And if you're somebody who would rather get a better deal and is willing to trade some
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of the simplicity for more battery power and less money, there are better options than
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I've got some reports from Bloomberg.
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Debbie Wu is reporting an LTPO display will be featured on at least one iPhone 12.
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This type of display is similar technology that was used in the Apple Watch.
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So it's a model for variable and therefore higher refresh rate displays as well, looking
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at promotion.
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We talked about this.
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I feel like we speculated about this on the opposite side for the Apple Watch.
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And it's the idea that the Apple Watch has an OLED display that allows this refresh rate
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to be variable, which on the Apple Watch, what they want is they want to crank it way
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Like they want to save, when they're not animating something on the screen, they want to crank
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the frame rate way down and save energy.
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And this is saying now that Apple, and this is Apple invented technology, which is interesting,
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Apple patented technology.
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So other device makers are creating like-
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I did not know that.
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LTPO-like technology, but I believe LTPO itself came from Apple.
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But in the end, this technology will be everywhere anyway.
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There are other LTPO phones and stuff, but my understanding is that Apple's the one that
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kind of like has a bunch of the patents and that there are like alternate versions of
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it that don't use Apple's patents.
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But it's a clever idea.
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I think it originated because of the Apple Watch.
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But regardless of all that, the idea here is how do we do a promotion OLED display on
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And the answer is you use this technology to do that.
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The next iPhones as well will feature camera improvements to the whole line and a smaller
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notch, which is I think all stuff that we were assuming.
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Makes it seem a lot less like a minor update cycle, huh?
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Yeah, I've seen people saying that this seems minor, but I think they're not understanding
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it's I think the difference that this high refresh rate display could fill an iPhone.
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Is this not the usual iPhone story too, which is that there's definitely a group of people
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who think that the only way that the iPhone has a major update is when it looks different.
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And those people exist and then those consumers exist, right?
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Where it's like, what I care is that it looks different.
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And then there's the truth of it, which is Apple often changes the exterior design on
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a year where the interior isn't, I mean, the, the specs aren't as radically different.
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And then the next year the phone looks exactly the same, but it's actually quite different
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in terms of what it's doing.
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And some people are like, oh man, but this is so much different.
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And other people are like, eh, it's the same as last year, whatever.
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And it's just, we're all looking for different things in our phones.
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But this sounds like this is not a, you know, 12s boring update kind of thing.
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If they're putting in promotion and improving cameras across the line and reducing the size
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of the notch, like that's a lot of stuff going on in the iPhone.
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Mark Gurman says that this display technology in the iPhone could actually result in the
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first always on display in an iPhone as well, which is really intriguing.
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Right, it goes back to the Apple watch, right?
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You know, what you want to do is keep it on, but, but basically knock off the, the, the
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refresh rate because you just want to keep some, some static images on and maybe you
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update it every second, but you know, you're not doing a 30 or 60 times a second and you
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save a lot of power that way.
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So if they can bring the always on watch technology to the iPhone, sounds great to me.
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I, I've been hoping that they would do that since they went to OLED.
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Mark Gurman also suggests that the mini LED screen MacBook Pro refresh will be coming
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sometime between September to November.
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So we're just getting further reports about this thing now, which I think continues to
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lend to its certainty around that period.
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And I think this is, this is Mark Gurman's newsletter again.
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So thank you to Mark Gurman for putting his newsletter out over the weekend so that we
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get to be the first podcast up to talk about all of his reports.
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Thank you, Mark.
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Friend of the show.
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Um, and, uh, the detail I gleaned from this also is that the mini LED screen has been
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kind of targeted as the holdup.
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That, that this is an ambitious set of laptops that are using the same mini LED, uh, technology
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that we saw in the 12.9 inch iPad Pro M1 iPad Pro, um, which was, uh, which looks great.
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It's an amazing screen.
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You try to imagine on the Mac and you're like, wow, that'll look great.
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And I'm sure it will, but it's also led to some production challenges.
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So it may not be as much about the legacy nodes after all.
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And it's about the ambition of that display, uh, that's led it to be kind of a slipped
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it slipping to the fall, but you know, a fall MacBook Pro announcement is not, um, outside
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of the rumors that it would come sooner.
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It's actually like the right time for that kind of announcement, right?
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It's not surprising at all that you might get some fancy new MacBook Pros in the fall
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that that happens a lot.
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It seems to me, Ming Chi Kuo is reporting that we will see mini led come to the 11 inch
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iPad Pro next year, which I don't know if I would have expected quotes because it quote
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seems to suggest that there will be new iPad Pros next year.
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Like there will be a refresh of 12.9, um, at the same time, which is, so here's the
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thing, if there's going to be an M2 and we're going to see it across the Mac line and they're
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going to rev, this is the question, right?
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It's the chip question to me.
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If they're going to do an M2 and then these macro pros are probably M1X, right?
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They're there.
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The M1 technology scaled up with more cores, uh, whatever they call it.
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We'll, we'll call it M1X for now.
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We'll see what they call it.
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If there's an M2, which is just next generation, it's based on the next chip generation, it's
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going to power the next generation of MacBook Airs and all of that.
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And other low end systems, they'll be faster than the M1, but they're not the high end
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This is like the lower end chip next generation.
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If they do that, and there is a rumor that we'll get to in a second about an M2 MacBook
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Air coming in 2022.
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If they, if they're taking the new chip architecture that rolls out in the fall with the iPhone
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and doing the more cores version of that for the low end Macs and the iPad Pros.
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Well, if you've got an M2, why would you not, even if you don't add a whole lot else to
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the iPad Pro, if you're making the M2 anyway, why would you not put the M2 in the iPad Pro
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at some point during the annual processor cycle?
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So it may be that we see updates to the MacBook Air and the iPad Pro and some other products
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that are using that base chip.
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Now that they're all on the same chip, it may just be in Apple's best interest to move
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them all to the new chip every year.
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So on that chip, there's been more reports.
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This one comes from, I got this from 9to5Mac.
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They're reporting that a leaker known as Dylan DKT suggests that Apple will release a new
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MacBook Air in various colorways of an M2 chip in the first half of 2022.
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This is, you know, similarly with this, this kind of reporting is coming from a lot of
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But it's just one of the many reports that makes this suggestion.
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And it makes a lot of sense, right?
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That like there is the M number, right?
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It's kind of, it's the iPhone model, right?
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That there's the lowest chip is the one with just the letter and the number, and then they
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add another letter on the end, and then that's more powerful and goes into the other, like
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to iPads and stuff like that.
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This is how they've done it before.
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And this, so same thing, right?
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The, um, what we don't know, right?
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Apple Silicon, there's the M1.
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That's literally it.
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That's literally it.
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We have rumors, but all we have is one single chip.
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So what we don't know about Apple Silicon going forward is where to from here.
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And some of that is what does a more powerful Apple chip on a Mac look like?
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Is that M1X?
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What does it look like?
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We don't know.
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We got some ideas.
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There are rumors.
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We don't know for sure.
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What is, uh, you know, and what's the path for things like the Mac Pro.
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All of that is a question.
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The other big question is what is the cycle?
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What is the cadence of releases for this stuff?
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And what does that do to Apple's product releases?
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Because remember with Intel, Apple couldn't control when the new generations of chips
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came out and came out in the volumes that Apple needs in order to ship, right?
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All that was up to Intel, but on the iPad and iPhone side, like Apple does the chips
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for the products.
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And when the product that needs the chip comes out, the chip is ready and chip goes in the
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product and the product ships like Apple controls the whole thing.
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So with M1, we've seen now M1 is in all of these different products.
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So how often do you go up a generation?
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How often, when will we see M2 and when will we see M3?
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And is it going to be on a regular cycle?
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Is it going to be every year or every 18 months or whatever, given that the iPhone chip cycle
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is 12 months, right?
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There's always a new iPhone every year with a new chip design.
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I kind of feel like the M1, M2 cadence is going to be annual.
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And if that's true, then I'm really interested to see what Apple does with product refreshes,
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That's the other mystery here is this rumor is about new MacBook Airs.
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Well, we just had new MacBook Airs.
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So, and it's not quite a year, it's a little bit later, but like we just had a new MacBook
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We're going to get a new MacBook Air again.
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We just had a new iPad Pro.
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We're going to get a new iPad Pro again.
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But like maybe the answer is yes.
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And maybe us being used to these kind of long time periods between Apple product updates,
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especially on the Intel Mac side, have gotten us sort of down on Apple's ability to refresh
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its devices.
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But now that Apple's making its own chips, I mean, you could argue that once that that
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chip is out there, it actually, you need to update your systems because it's going to
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make those old systems look bad.
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That you know, like, wait, there's an M2.
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Why is this still in the M1?
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Why is this not an M2?
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So I don't know what they're going to do.
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But I think that's one of the things I'm most looking forward to over the next year is like
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starting to figure out what is Apple's product release philosophy for these things.
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If Apple could control everything, and now they can, they're not under Intel's thumb,
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how often would they do a new MacBook Air?
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Maybe it's every year.
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And it's M1, M2, M3, M4, and it's just like, it's just like a new iPhone.
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There's a new Mac.
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There's a new everything every year with the latest year's chip in it.
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Is that there?
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That's ambitious, but they could do it.
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Is that the plan?
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But I am excited because give me those colorful MacBook Airs.
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George would like to know, why do you think, and this is actually relating to that last
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point that we spoke about, why do you think there are or seem to be more public Apple
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leakers than there ever was before?
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I don't know.
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Apple is a big company and there have always been people within Apple who have wanted to
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And we had a long discussion about this a while ago, like consider the source, where's
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I think the difference now is that not only is Apple bigger and higher profile, but that
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information that might've just kind of laid there, unless it was to a very particular
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person in a position of media authority.
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Now it's so much easier to be a person with information from a friend or a friend of a
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friend and put it on Twitter and put it on YouTube.
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And I think that that makes a difference is that it's just easier for it to get out.
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There's more clout available to you too than there was before for those reasons.
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I feel like there seems to be an increasing reason for somebody to want to be the person
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who gives that information to the world more so than there was years ago.
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I think that there's also the same thing that motivates somebody on the inside to leak that
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information is the thing that motivates somebody to set up a Twitter account or whatever and
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or a YouTube channel or whatever it is and get that information out there.
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The Twitter stuff is really interesting because that's just a completely anonymous, at least
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the YouTubers are like people and you see them and they talk, but the Twitter accounts
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are generally these kind of anonymous accounts.
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at least used to not happen in public where somebody hears something from a contact and
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maybe they tell their friends, "Oh, you know what I heard about Apple?"
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And now they posted to Twitter and the whole internet sees it.
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So that's part of it too.
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Now I also am fascinated by that because they're risking their friend, their source, they're
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risking their job over what?
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And if you're just a random person on Twitter, what are you even getting out of it?
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Your random Twitter account is popular?
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I guess people are excited by that, but I don't know.
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That's the dangerous part of this is that the people at Apple, the more information
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that comes out, the easier it is to figure out who is leaking that information.
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And there's also just so much wrong information there.
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That also happens, right?
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There's a lot of stuff that people could just guess at and there's just incorrect stuff.
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And even the stuff that we've seen that is like what we just talked about before the
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break, it could be real or it could just literally be a re-spinning of existing stuff.
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And there's no real way to know that.
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That's part of the problem.
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So you get restatements.
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And the other thing about right and wrong is sometimes the people who are judged as
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right because they get things right all the time are less legitimate.
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Because as we've talked about when we discussed Mark Gurman, things change inside Apple.
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So you get, I forget what site it is that records everybody's right and wrong predictions,
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but there are a lot of wrong predictions that were probably right at the time and then they
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changed direction.
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And I know that seems weird of like, well, if it didn't happen, it's a wrong prediction.
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But if Apple, at the moment that that was reported, Apple planned on that being what
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would happen and then things changed and it, you know, like AirPower, right?
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Apple's working on AirPower.
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I mean, just because AirPower didn't come out doesn't mean that they didn't work on
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They thought they were going to release it and they didn't.
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And that happens internally a lot.
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They rarely announce the product and then don't ship it.
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But internally they change direction all the time.
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They remove features all the time.
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So sometimes the people who are wrong are actually the most accurate because reality
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reflects the end result of the process.
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Whereas these rumors are based on an earlier point in the process.
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It's like, I understand why people get frustrated with like, say some of the stuff that's written
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on Bloomberg and how it's written, but this is why, right?
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Like they have to say at least one of things may change or that kind of stuff.
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Like it has to be couched a little bit because there are much bigger publication and they
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know that things can still change.
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So they, they, I think they shy away from definites for that reason.
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I think that it's potentially a more responsible way of doing the reporting if you're going
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It's fascinating.
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It gives us, it gives us grist for the mill, which is great.
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Um, the challenge is it's more noise and weeding.
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That's why we are always going to give more weight to reports from Mark Gurman and Ming
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Chi Kuo because they're not anonymous and they have a very good track record and I think
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they have multiple sources and it doesn't mean they're always right, but I think that
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they are usually accurate in reflecting what is going on at any given time, even though
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those things can change.
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And it's nice to, it's nice to know that stuff in advance because it gives us so much to
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chew on on this podcast, but it gets dicey or when they're sort of random things that
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come through that, that sometimes again, sometimes just don't come to fruition or are just restatements
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of what we already knew.
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Rajeev asks, do you think that other Apple services like AirPlay and Fitness Plus would
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make it to Amazon's FireSticks in the future?
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You know, there was just a report about how there's a new Fire TV powered TV or two that,
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that have AirPlay on them.
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Oh, they have AirPlay on the TVs.
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So I feel like this is already happening.
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As far as I can recall, AirPlay only exists on televisions, like, cause there are a bunch
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of TVs that can do AirPlay, but I think it's just televisions.
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I can't think of any sticks.
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I don't think that's too, I think Roku lets you AirPlay.
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Okay, great.
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And you know, so, so Rajeev's like asking about Fitness Plus and one of the reasons
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I want to put this in there is you won't need Fitness Plus anymore because Fitness Plus
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will work with AirPlay, right?
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Well, now it works with AirPlay.
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It's not quite as good, but it does work with that.
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And I also think that it's only a matter of time.
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Like would Apple find a way, if Apple finds a way to get, the challenge is that it's like
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So does Fitness really fit in the TV app?
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Maybe it doesn't.
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But I think if Apple cares about it enough, Apple will put it in there and failing that,
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yes, there's AirPlay.
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I think Apple is not inclined to let any of its stuff not be available.
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Like they've, they've flipped all the way around on this.
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But I think AirPlay is probably, you're right, Myke, the path that is the easiest because
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it's like, well, we've got our entertainment offerings here and AirPlay and AirPlay gets
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us everything else that's on our devices.
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I expect that's one of the reasons they added AirPlay to Fitness Plus because where else
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would you be AirPlaying it to?
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You don't need to AirPlay it to an Apple TV because it already can do it.
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So yeah, exactly.
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That's all part of the plan.
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Well, I mean, you can do it to a Mac now, Myke.
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You can AirPlay it to a Mac now.
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Is the Fitness app not on the Mac?
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No, I don't think so.
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I was just surprised when I see it on my iPad.
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I think it's got the wrong icon on the iPad because I can't get my activity rings on my
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It won't show me them.
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I know, which frustrates me immensely.
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Brian asks, why do you think Disney are not putting their new Pixar movies behind the
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Premiere Access like they have for their live action movies?
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Do you think Disney is losing faith in Pixar?
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Hi, listen to Brian.
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I think this probably has more to do, I don't know for sure, but my guess is it has more
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to do with contracts.
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That the Marvel movies especially have very specific profit participation for people involved
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with them and they were made for theaters and that it is a harder thing to unravel those
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contracts and just put them on Disney Plus rather than what they've also been doing,
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which is doing this hybrid release.
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So like Black Widow was in theaters and on Disney Plus.
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And if you just put it on Disney Plus for free, I think it's a harder sell in theaters
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than if you put it on Disney Plus for 30 bucks.
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But I also think everybody involved with that expected that to be in theaters and had their
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money based on how well it did in theaters and they probably had to renegotiate to do
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Premiere Access, but at least there it's still a ticket sale of a sort.
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So it was probably easier to make that deal.
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So I think that's probably part of it is that the contracts on Pixar movies are probably
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not quite as complex as on a Marvel movie.
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I was thinking there hasn't been a Pixar movie that has been big enough, I think.
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I think there may be some truth in that, that if it was like a really big franchise.
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If it was Toy Story 5, they would put it behind Premiere Access.
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But like what have they done?
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Soul, Luca, and Onward?
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Yeah, I think so.
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I don't think that those movies...
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They could have been big in theaters, but that was a different era and they also didn't
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get the hybrid release, right?
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It was really much more like this is just on Disney Plus now.
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This is not me saying that these aren't good movies, right?
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But I think that there are tiers of Pixar movies and these aren't those, right?
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I think, for example, if Inside Out was coming out now, they wouldn't put it on Premiere
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Interesting.
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Even though I love that movie, I just don't know if it would necessarily sell itself without
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you knowing.
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Because I remember when they spoke about Inside Out, everyone was like, "What is going on
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That doesn't make any sense."
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I remember that being a conversation at the time, like, "I don't understand what this
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movie could possibly be."
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So yeah, I just think that they haven't had that hit or what they think might be that
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hit during this period of time.
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And I think, first off, let's see what happens with the next Pixar release.
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And are they going to be in a situation where that will be in theaters and they will also
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do it with Disney Premiere Access?
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Because this is a model...
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Going forward, it's going to be really interesting to see how Disney handles Premiere Access.
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Because it's not the same as putting everything on HBO Max, right?
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Premiere Access, it's 30 bucks, plus you have to be a subscriber to get that movie the same
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time it's in a theater.
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Will they do that with other stuff?
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Because it's less money than a family of four would pay.
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Because I looked, we could have gone and seen Black Widow in Hawaii, and it would have cost
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us 40 bucks.
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And we paid 30 and we watched it on the TV in the condo instead.
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And I was fine with that.
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It was 30 bucks, it's nothing.
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But if you're a family, it very rapidly is actually a money saver.
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And Disney keeps all that money and doesn't share it with theaters.
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So there are arguments to be made that the future model might be something more like
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the Disney+ Premiere Access rather than the HBO, "Let's just throw it on streaming" that
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they tried this year.
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I do think though that another part of this to keep in mind is who the audiences are.
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Disney is building Disney+ as a reliable place for content, including animation and for families.
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That is the company's number one priority.
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And I think they look at Pixar as a great way to build that service, Pixar releases.
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I think that Pixar releases aren't going to all just become Disney+ releases.
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I think there will be, I mean, what you said, Myke, I think there's a, in the long run,
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and this is one of the fascinating things about Black Widow and versus the Disney+ Marvel's
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TV shows is going forward, we have to figure out what is a movie and what is a TV show.
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Because the Marvel stuff, it looks like they spend the money on the TV shows that they
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spend the money on the movies to do.
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They're quite comparable in terms of the material.
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It really is more about format.
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So it's like, what is a movie and what is a TV show?
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And with Pixar, I would say, Pixar does, there is a Pixar-based TV show, but it's not produced
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by Pixar now.
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That's the Monsters, Inc. show.
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But going forward, they need to decide, what's a Pixar movie that goes in theaters and is
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And what's a Pixar movie that we make for Disney+?
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And I think they should probably make both.
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Because why not?
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Because it's so important to put content on Disney+.
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So anyway, I don't know what that's going to be in the future and what their strategy
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It's not an easy question.
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It's very hard.
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I don't envy them having to figure that out.
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But what I will say is, I think Disney is more willing to use Pixar content to drive
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Disney+ and make it more valuable than it is to do that with Marvel releases, especially
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since they've got Marvel shows to release on Disney+.
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And they've probably got contractual issues and stuff.
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But Brian is picking at a very interesting corner of this whole issue, which is, what
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do you do with your movies?
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Do you put them on your streaming service?
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Do you charge for them?
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Do you not put them on and just put them in theaters?
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How does that all work?
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And over the next few years, we're going to see everybody experimenting with this.
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And Sekou asks, "Have either of you run into issues with the 2 terabyte iCloud storage
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I certainly haven't, but I can see my parents running up against this limit in the future."
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So I took a look today.
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We have a two-person family.
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We both have multiple devices that go into it for backups, or we like three each.
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And we're only using 500 gigabytes of that 2 terabytes.
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I think you'd struggle to fill 2 terabytes.
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I don't really know what you'd be saving in iCloud to hit that, to be honest.
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I mean, photos, I guess.
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I have a lot of photos and stuff, and it's not an issue for me yet.
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I think Apple will...
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I'm sure there are some edge cases, but I feel like Apple will increase this limit over
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time because they'll recognize it and they'll find a way to charge you for it.
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And the truth is, if you're in the big bundle, you get 2 terabytes and you can add 2 terabytes.
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So there is actually a way to get 4 terabytes of iCloud space, right?
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So I don't think it's going to be a big issue.
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And if it is an issue, I'm trying to think of how you would have that much data and have
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to have it all be in iCloud.
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So I don't know.
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My guess is that it's not going to be a big deal, but I'm sure there will be an edge case.
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So it'd be like, "Oh no, the bundle's not available where I live, and I hit the 2 terabyte limit,
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and it all has to be in iCloud."
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And too bad for them, I guess, but I think Apple will continue to grow this over time
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because it's more money for Apple.
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