387: The 2021 Upgradies
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From Relay FM, this is the 2021 Upgradies Awards, and these awards are brought to you by Squarespace, ZocDoc, and Memberfall.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by my co-master of ceremonies for this year's Upgradies Awards, Jason Snell.
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Hello Jesus now.
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- Hello my fellow co-master.
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- It's pretty good, right?
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Co-master of ceremonies.
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- That's weird, but it's fine.
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- What else would you call them?
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Like people that host an award show, just hosts?
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- Co-hosts, yes.
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- But I wanted to make it different to normal
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'cause this is a special thing.
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- Co-master of ceremonies it is then.
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- This is the eighth annual Upgraders Awards,
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which is a great thing to have gone eight of these now.
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- It's hard to believe.
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couple of years, 10th. If you don't know what the upgrade is are, every year we award some
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of our favorite apps, media and trends in technology with recognition. Some of these
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awards I guess would be considered good for the recipients, some maybe less desired. Unlike
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other award ceremonies, which is just people reading out the winners of each category where
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the deliberations are done in secret, we go through our process here so you get to hear
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how we reach our verdicts. Both Jason and myself come to each category with our own
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selections and we take into account the results of our public nomination that we've been
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running for the last month or so and we give the top three winners in each category, kind
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of nominations in each category as voted by the upgradians and we take those into consideration
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as we make our final decision on who wins in each category. Thank you to everybody that
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did put in their nominations over the last month or so.
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It was hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of you.
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So thank you so much for doing that.
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- And thank you for compiling all of those
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many nominations, Myke, because--
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- Oh, it was a fun little task to do
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during some holiday downtime.
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If you would like to see a history
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of all of the previous award winners
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over the last many years of the upgrade,
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you can go to upgradees.com and find that.
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That website is lovingly built and maintained
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by a friend of the show, Zach Knox.
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I would also like to give a couple of other thanks
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before we start the artwork for this year's Upgrades,
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which of course is laser inspired,
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was provided and produced by David Dooley.
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And the theme song for the Upgrades was created by
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upgrade composer, Chris Breen.
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- Yes, composer of the show, Chris Breen.
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- Composer of the show, our in-house composer, Chris Breen.
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- It's true.
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- We also have a selection of Lifetime Achievement
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award winners in the Upgrades,
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which we'll discuss throughout the show
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as you hit each category that they are related to.
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As a reminder, lifetime achievement is given
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to a recipient after three wins in the same category
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over the history of the upgrade.
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So we can get new winners coming in and out.
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Because I think sometimes there are some categories
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where we could have maybe had seven or eight time winners
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at this point.
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Should we get on with the awards?
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- Let's do it.
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- So we start as we always do by looking at some apps.
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And our first category of the evening
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is going to be the best iOS app.
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Overcast is the Lifetime Achievement Award winner
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in this category, because obviously listeners of this show
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love podcasts and love Overcast.
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So would you like to know how the Upgradians nominated
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for best iOS app?
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- Yes, yes please.
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- With 4.9% of the vote is Tweetbot.
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11.8% of the vote is Apollo,
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and 15.7% of the vote goes to Carrotweather.
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I feel like Carrotweather and Apollo,
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they are always up here.
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- Perennial. - Yeah.
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- Perennial choices by the upgradians.
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- Carrotweather is a multiple time runner up
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in this category, one time winner in 2017.
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- Interesting. - Mm-hmm.
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- Well, that's a good one.
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It's on my list.
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Carrotweather is on my list as best iOS app.
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I didn't used to use Carrot Weather before a few years ago.
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Carrot Weather, I think added,
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and this may be when it won last time,
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it added support for weather stations
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via a weather station network.
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So I was able to get like my temperature in Carrot Weather,
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which was great, love that.
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I still use it.
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This year it did its update
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with the like interface changes, right?
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- Within the last year.
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I think that may have been last year that the interface,
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if it wasn't last year, it was very early this year.
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I've had a real struggle trying to remember
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the time span of 2021 way more than 2020.
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- Strange, isn't it?
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- Yeah, Adina mentioned this to me at one point
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and it's completely accurate.
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Like it really feels like our year began
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when we were vaccinated before then,
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it was like a different year, so.
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- Right, big hazy year.
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- Carrot weather has had, shall I say,
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an absolutely incredible year.
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It won an Apple Design Award
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and an App of the Year Award from Apple.
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- Yeah, and I believe it was this year
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that they did the modular design, well, they.
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By they, I mean Brian Carrot, the person, Mr. Carrot,
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who does Carrot weather.
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And it was, when I first saw it,
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in fact, I remember sending a message to you
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when the first beta of the new Carrot weather design
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came out, where I said, "Did you see that?"
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Like, woo-hoo, 'cause it was rough.
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- You were worried, right?
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- You were a little worried. - I was really worried.
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But by the time it got to the end, you could make it,
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I think this was what Brian Carrot's vision was all along,
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which is basically make your own weather app
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and have it look the way you want.
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And he created a whole bunch of different presets
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if you don't wanna go into detail,
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but that has settled down
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and that is my go-to weather app now.
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And I like it a lot.
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I get frustrated sometimes with the data
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that's displayed on the Apple Watch,
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but again, that is a universal thing.
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complications on the Apple Watch don't get updated the way that they should. It's not
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Brian Carrot's fault, it's not Carrot Weather's fault. So I think that's a great choice by
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the Upgradients. I had a few others that I wanted to throw on the pile for consideration.
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One of them is NetNewswire, which I wrote about this at Six Colors. NetNewswire became
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a daily part of my media consumption this year. NetNewswire was released I think last
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year for iOS and it's free, it's open source, it's a classic RSS reader going back many
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many years on the Mac, and I'm using it in combination with Feedbin, which has an email
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gateway to be the place that I read a whole bunch of newsletters that I subscribe to this
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And then on top of that I've added in RSS feeds because once you're in that newswire
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you might as well add RSS feeds. And it's an app that has absolutely changed my media
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consumption I think, and for the better, I would say. And it works the way I like it.
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So I want to mention Net News Wire as a possibility here. Let's see, what else? Scriptable, which
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I know I mentioned last year as well. Scriptable is a JavaScript app that lets you do a JavaScript
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on iOS, but it added support for widgets last year. And that has been a game changer for
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me because I was able to build my own widgets to show my own data. And I think that's really
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cool. This is Simon Stovering in Copenhagen who makes this app, Simon Scriptable. All
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indie developers are naming their apps after themselves.
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So that would make me and you, Jason and Myke upgrade.
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Maybe. In the context of the show, yeah, it would be, so Jason upgrade says to Myke upgrade.
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Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I'm gonna put broadcast in this category. I listen to live podcasts
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on my iPhone and Apple Watch, especially Connected, which is a fine show here at Relay FM, but
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also accidental tech podcast. But Connected happens during the day, and so I'm frequently
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listening to that on my iPhone or my Apple Watch, and that's Steve Trotton-Smith's app,
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it's also on the Mac, but I love that I can do that on my iPhone and my Apple Watch, listen
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to live streaming podcasts. And Carrot Weather was my fourth, so those are my other suggestions
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So the conversation about Carrot Weather made me add Carrot Weather to my list. There are
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many categories where I've come with multiple recommendations, this was one where I just
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game with one. Because I, for me, I know what my favorite iOS app is probably of all time.
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Carrot Weather is way up there. Like I would say Carrot Weather is, without a shadow of
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a doubt, the very best Apple Watch app ever made. I've said that before. And that isn't
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a category we have here because we would run out after three years. We just give it to
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Carrot Weather each time and then have to close down the award category. But Carrot
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weather is genuinely one of my favorite applications. It's absolutely fantastic and has gotten
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its leaps and bounds this year. Like it's come along like so far. Widgets was a big
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thing for that app for me I think and really solidified it as being such a fantastic application.
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But the app that I wanted to mention which I will always mention is Timery. Timery by
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Joe Timery is maybe the, for me, not maybe,
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it is my favorite iOS app ever.
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I get such great use out of it, right?
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So it's, you know, it's personal to me.
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Time tracking is a big part of my life,
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but this application, the amount of work
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that is put into this and new features is,
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it's truly astounding.
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Like some of my favorite additions in the past year
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before we even possibly get to talking
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about the Mac application that was made this year as well.
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Things like now for setting a timer,
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there's some auto-completing stuff.
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So you can start, maybe if I start typing in,
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like as soon as I press start timer,
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it pops up a text field, I type in like UPG,
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and it will give me all of the things
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that I have tagged with upgrade
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in all my various projects that I've run in the past.
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So it's just given me auto-completing
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of past entries I've had.
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Things like customizable buttons to adjust a timeframe.
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So say I've opened a timer and really actually I started this like 15 minutes ago.
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I can just hit a little button, turns the timer back by 15 minutes and starts from then.
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Uh, the Excel widget on iPad is so good.
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And it's one of, I think the smartest ways of implementing that widget class where, uh,
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Joe just took four medium widgets and put them in a big grid.
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So it's just like what four of the various widget types that is made for the app.
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It's just putting them in one big, uh, one big widget.
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It really is just absolutely fantastic.
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And it really feels like an application
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that's so well made for the task that it performs.
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And it's really just, I think, a masterclass
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in long-term app development.
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It's absolutely fantastic.
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- Right, and I'll take your word for it
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'cause I don't track my time.
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- I know you don't.
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And I don't use the three of the apps that you mentioned,
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right, but I understand the quality.
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But I really feel like this is a foregone conclusion
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for the winner this year, you know,
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now that we've gone through this.
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put carrot back in there?
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- All right, it is done.
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- I feel like it's gotta be, right?
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Carrot weather is the winner.
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And our runner ups, I guess we'll go,
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I'll put time, Marianne,
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and do you wanna pick a runner up from your list?
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- I'm going to pick,
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let's do broadcasts.
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- We're gonna go broadcasts from Steve broadcasts.
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- Steve broadcasts, yes.
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- So the winners and runners up.
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- Actually, technically it's Steve broadcasts, Smith.
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It's hyphenated.
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- Steve broadcast pastel, is that what you mean?
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- Yeah, oh yes, Steve broadcast pastel, right.
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- So the winners and runners up in each category,
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they are listed on the Upgradies website.
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I'm not gonna include them in the show notes for spoilers,
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so I don't put the winners in.
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So you can find the winners and runners up
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of each category on upgradees.com.
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Congratulations to Brian Cara for picking up.
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- And the whole Cara family.
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- Second victory.
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on the doorstep of Lifetime Achievement.
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- Best newcomer iOS app, the Upgradients voted
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with 7.2% for Affirmations,
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8% for Obsidian, and 10% for Amplosion.
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- I feel like the Upgradients have been listening
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to Connected, (laughs)
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'cause that's where I know about these apps.
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Affirmations is not something that I have used,
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but I think it's just like daily positive affirmations.
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- It is made by wonderful Relay FM listener
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and Discord community member, Justin.
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- Justin Hamilton, right?
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- Oh yeah, I wrote this up.
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So I did use this briefly because I wrote it up
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as an example of a nice, it's just nice
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'cause it's telling you positive things.
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And it's really beneficial in the widgets.
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You can get widget touch and that stuff,
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but it's also one of my favorite screens
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in an iOS app ever, which is just a fidget screen.
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And it's just like a bunch of controls
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that don't do anything.
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And then Amplosion is a
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AMP removal extension.
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- Yeah, it's a Safari plugin.
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And I think that this was the year on iOS
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where you got Safari extensions and it's a big deal.
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And you and I are both gonna mention
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Safari extensions as well.
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And Amplosion is one that was its primary task is to remove basically AMP, which is
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that Google like website light version that you get trapped on.
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And it's really bad, especially if you're trying to send a link to somebody because
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then you're sending them the AMP link, which isn't the real link.
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And so it kind of overrides that and sends you to the right page.
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And that's produced by Christian Amplosion, also known as Christian Apollo.
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Apollo Amplosion.
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Yes, that's true.
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- I have three suggestions in this category.
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- A new one that just happened over the weekend actually,
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but I'm gonna throw it in here,
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thanks to the recommendations of the good people
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over at Max Stories is Ismela by Sylvia Reeder.
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- Yep, I love this app.
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This is one of the most beautiful iOS apps I've ever seen.
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And it's so simple.
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- So it is fantastically designed.
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Look, there are a lot of recipe apps out there.
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I have been writing about recipe apps since the days
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where they were kind of like based on HyperCard.
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Like literally there was an app called Manja
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by Up Still Software that was on the Mac
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back in the monochrome Mac days, and I used it.
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So I've seen them all.
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And there are some good ones out there now.
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I know a lot of people like Paprika.
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- Mella really impresses me partially because of its design
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and then partially because of its functionality.
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It is, there's a beta that, so it's not public yet,
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but there's a beta that does sharing,
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which is super important.
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- That's what I want.
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That this was, I was gonna say.
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- Get Adina on the test flight.
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- This would be my app of the year.
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Like my, if it did that,
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it is missing the one feature I wanted,
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which is being able to share an entire library of people.
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- Literally on Christmas Eve,
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I emailed Silvio Reader who does Mella, confusing,
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and Silvio sent me a test flight link
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and I got it on Lauren's iPad and I got it on my iPad
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and we are now connected.
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And that makes all the difference.
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Anyway, what I love about this app too,
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is that it will let you take a picture of a recipe.
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It has an in-app browser.
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And when you navigate to a page that's got a recipe on it,
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it shows you in another pane what the import is gonna be.
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and it's a very good web import.
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My only complaint actually is that I have a few recipes
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that are in text files, like in files or in notes.
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And I want a way for it to share that text basically
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with Mella and have it consume it and turn it into a recipe
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using its kind of intelligence that it seems to have.
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But it's yeah, it's a beautifully designed app
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and all of my Christmas cooking and baking
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was done in Mella this year.
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And that's not bad for an app that I literally downloaded
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like four days ago, five days ago, but it's great.
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So that one's high on my list.
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- I am very excited about that.
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Like this app is so beautiful.
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Like I love Reader too.
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Like Reader is one of my very, very favorite apps.
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I should have put that in as a potential nomination,
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but I love the way that app looks.
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And what's so great about Melee is that
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Silvio just took what they clearly know
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about how to pass text, right?
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And just applied that to this,
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which I think is super good.
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And I, yes, great app.
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Oh man, I'm so excited about the Sharon.
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A couple other nominations
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in this newcomer iOS app category, Tio,
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which I've written about a little bit.
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Tio is really interesting.
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It is a text editor.
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It's a markdown text editor.
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And I've been using it a bit.
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It is not my number one text editor on iOS,
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but it's up and coming.
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And the thing that impresses me about it the most
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is that in addition to having a whole JavaScript
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kind of like scriptability things
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for you to build macros with,
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they built their own like version of shortcuts
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inside their app with actions
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that let you build macro actions using blocks like shortcuts,
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which is just, it's wild.
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It's over the top, but kind of brilliant.
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And it's also like, it's also a clipboard manager.
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It's still trying to figure out what it wants to be
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in some ways, 'cause it is a clipboard manager
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and a text editor and a floor wax and a dessert topping.
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So, but it's just the boldness
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of building your own shortcuts interface, essentially,
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for just actions inside your app.
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So, Tio is definitely one to watch
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and I wanted to mention it here.
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And then maybe my favorite newcomer iOS app, actually,
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talking about Safari extensions is Noir,
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which is the app that, or extension,
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that puts all web pages in dark mode
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when you're in dark mode.
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Because nothing worse on my iPad
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than navigating when I'm in dark mode
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and it's night or early morning
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to a site that is blaring at me with a white background
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and black text on a white background.
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And that's over.
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Like I installed Noir and that was it.
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and you can set it per site.
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So if there's a site that you don't wanna override,
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you can do that.
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If it finds a dark mode on a site, it doesn't override it,
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but if you don't like their dark mode,
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you can turn on Noir's dark mode
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and see if that makes you happier.
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But basically you set it and forget it and I love it.
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So Noir is my other nominee.
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- Noir is really good.
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It's a really good app.
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I saw Amplosion and I saw your option for Noir
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'cause I was struggling with this category.
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So it made me want to pick an extension because that's been like a really cool
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thing this past year is just the addition of extensions.
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So I'm picking super agent for Safari.
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Super agent is very simple,
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but it has improved my web browsing experience immensely.
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It pre-fills and removes the cookie notifications that pop up on websites.
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So when they want to get your cookies and they want to get your advertising
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preferences, Super Agent fills them out for you,
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mostly in the background,
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so you never need to see them anymore.
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You can, it's not just like removing them,
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or like an ad blocker, it's actually filling them out.
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So you can say what kind of settings you want,
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and Super Agent will just complete it.
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And now, like if I ever use Safari View Controller, right,
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I'm like, what is going on with this webpage?
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And Super Agent also gets rid of just like,
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you know, sometimes you get those little pop-ups,
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like, "Hey, sign up for this newsletter."
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Like it removes some of those as well,
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which I really appreciate.
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It's a very simple application.
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It's free as well.
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And I really like it.
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I have it on my devices now.
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- Yeah, the challenge with something like Super Agent
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is you only notice when it isn't working, right?
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Because you get something like that.
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I wonder if I'm getting,
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I have not with any of these sort of like
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cookie consent blockers,
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I haven't had as much luck with it
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as I've heard other people seem to have with it.
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And I wonder if it's because I'm in California,
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So I'm getting the California cookie consent problems,
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whereas most of the people who complain about this problem
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are in Europe and they're getting
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the European cookie consent problems.
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- It's very possible.
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They're not being coded for whatever it is you're receiving.
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But I have had flawless luck with this application.
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- Yeah, these are great.
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I think it is the year of the Safari extension on iOS.
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I think that's it.
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My choice here is Noir, believe it or not.
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I just think it is a life-changing moment
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in terms of my use of my iPad in the evenings
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to have everything.
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'Cause that was always my complaint when we did dark mode,
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when they were like, "Oh, dark mode, it's finally here."
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And then you go to a webpage, it's like, it's not.
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'Cause all these webpages, even now after years now
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of knowing how to make a dark mode version of your website,
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there are sites that just don't care.
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And it's so great to just say,
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"The websites don't care, but I do care."
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and I have made your website into dark mode.
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It is, it's great.
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So that's my nomination.
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- I don't use Noir all the time,
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but I have it installed
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because I use dark mode all the time.
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And so I don't necessarily want to force
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the color change of websites permanently constantly,
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but I do have it installed and I turn it on.
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And I will say of all of the extensions I have used,
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I think it's the best made one.
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Like it looks really nice
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and still has a lot of cool features.
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So I would be totally down with,
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honestly, I would be down with an all web extensions.
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So I would have lent towards Mella,
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but if you would lean towards Noir
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as your winner from that category,
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then maybe we should go with Noir as the winner
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and Super Agent and Amplosion as the runners up.
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- It would certainly be a fun sort of message to send
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on what this year was.
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Well, let's do it.
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Let's call that.
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So congratulations to, let's checking here, Jeffrey Noir.
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For winning this category and we'll just put a Super Agent
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and Implosion as the other two.
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And it's the year of Safari extensions on iOS.
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- Yep, as an asterisk, I would just say like
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the 1Password one is also excellent,
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but 1Password, not a new app, so.
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- Yeah, I have some issues with the 1Password one
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because of the authentication.
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I authenticate in 1Password using Face ID,
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except that extension doesn't seem to have access to Face ID?
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- No, and you have to type your password in
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and then you can choose like a refresh time.
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- Yeah, I don't, I hate that.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- And I get that that's something where the extensions
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don't have access to the biometric authentication,
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but it stinks.
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- I hope that someone at Apple will recognize that.
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Maybe it just wasn't the thing they needed
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or thought it was needed.
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- If you use the 1Password share extension
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and biometrically authenticate,
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then it's unlocked and it will be unlocked
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for the extension, but you can't just unlock
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with the extension without typing in that password.
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And I hate that.
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It's like on my iPad, I don't wanna type in that password.
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I want it to authenticate and know it's me and just do it.
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My face is my one password in that case.
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- We now move on to best Mac app.
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The Upgradients voted thusly with 3.9% for Pixelmator Pro,
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6.3% for Obsidian, and 7.3% for Kraft.
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A lot of note-taking happening out there in Upgradientland.
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That's the thing, right?
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That's been one of the trends of this year, the last two years,
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but this year especially is these personal note-taking mind applications.
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I really, really like Kraft.
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I would say it is a great example of a Mac app.
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I don't know if I would call it my best Mac app.
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I think it is, I mean, everybody says this, it's true.
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It's one of, if not the best Catalyst app.
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However, I would say Timery would really bump up against that.
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But it's a great example of what a Catalyst app can be.
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But I know I personally have another app on the Mac
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that I think is really good.
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and I like your suggestions too.
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So would you like to tell the upgradians what they are?
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- All right.
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One is SwiftBar, which was the replacement for BitBar.
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It is the utility that lets you put anything you want
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up in your Mac menu bar by running a script.
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And it can be a script, it can be a shell script,
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it can be an Apple script, it can be a Perl script,
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it can be a PHP script, it can be a Python script.
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It doesn't matter, a JavaScript,
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anything that will run in the command line
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and output something, that output will go in your menu bar.
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and you could set it how long it's a refresh.
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These apps have been around for a while now.
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I keep writing and modifying,
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writing new ones, modifying existing ones.
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I have it right now.
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It's showing me how many live listeners we've got.
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It's showing me the temperature and the rainfall outside.
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I've got a little thing that shows me
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the air quality outside.
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I've got one that shows me what track is playing in music
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that a friend of mine requested that I put together for him.
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And so I found one and then I just customized it
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based on his desire and sent it off to him.
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Like it is a great little utility that also,
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because it lives in the menu bar,
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it is very Mac, very Mac-like.
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It's important, Mac menu bar that go together.
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Okay, so my next one is Bartender.
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We're staying in the menu bar.
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Stayin' up there, Myke.
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You like it up there?
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You like the menu bar?
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- I like it when I have Bartender on.
00:26:52
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- Yeah, so Bartender updated.
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And Bartender, it's been a rough couple of years
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for Bartender in the sense, not of their own making,
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but in the sense that Apple has like messed
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with the menu bar.
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They mess with the menu bar size,
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they mess with the, they put a notch up there
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on some new laptops.
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- Well, you see, I wouldn't say rough year.
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I would say like the notch was a gift to--
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- Well, that's true.
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But it's challenging technically the last couple of years.
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I feel like macOS updates and hardware updates
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have made the menu bar,
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which was maybe a little bit of an island of stability
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for a while into a free for all.
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Like what is happening? - A lot of luck.
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- There's control center is up there now.
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What's going on with that?
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There's a notch, there's different sized stuff.
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Like there's so much up there.
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And every now and then,
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even with like really knowledgeable people,
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I listen to podcasts or people would write things
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and they'd be like, "Oh, this menu bar stuff."
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And my response was always like, "Use Bartender,
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just use Bartender."
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It is, for years, it is the definitive way
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to organize your Mac menu bar.
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And I love it.
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I mostly use it to create an invisible menu bar space.
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That is my number one use of Bartender,
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is I have, the way I've got it set up,
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I have a few menu bar icons that are visible all the time.
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And then if I move my pointer over the space
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where they're next to it,
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where there isn't anything, a bunch appear.
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And those are the menu bar icons
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that I don't need to see at a glance,
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but I might need to interact with at some point.
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And all of that is possible
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and a whole lot more in Bartender.
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So I love it.
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And my third suggestion,
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and this is gonna be a duplicate of the next category
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'cause this is a newcomer,
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but I'm seriously gonna say
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I wanna consider it as best Mac app too.
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It's an app that I first heard about from you and Steven.
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- It's a MimeStream, not the best name.
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- Terrible name.
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It's not the best name, bad name.
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I don't care about saying it 'cause the app's amazing
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and I'll say that.
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- Well, when the name is so bad,
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you can confidently say it's not the best, right?
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It's clearly far from the MimeStream.
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But this year, what is it?
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This year, Google changed its rules
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about embedded browsers accessing its services.
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And what that meant is that the app that I have used
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for years to do my email, Mailplane,
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basically ceased development because they realized,
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they saw the writing on the wall.
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They were not gonna be able, they could fight it for a while
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but in the end, their product was not gonna be allowed
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And I love Mailplane because it was basically a Mac,
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it was a whole bunch of Mac stuff
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around the Gmail web experience.
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And that's 'cause I don't use Apple Mail.
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I haven't used Apple Mail for a long time.
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I find it unreliable, slow, bad at searching,
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bad at getting new mail in my mailbox in a timely fashion,
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bad especially when the connections are slow,
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but actually kind of bad when the connections are good too.
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I don't like it, especially on the Mac.
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And so I switched to MailPlane,
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which is just loading the Gmail webpage,
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and it's great except now,
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and it added like Mac keyboard shortcuts
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and Mac drag and drop and clicking on a link
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would open the Mac default application.
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And it was all that stuff just around the edges
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to sort of make this Gmail webpage
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into something that feels more like a Mac thing
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'cause I'm on the Mac, but it's gonna go away.
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So within like a week or two of that sad news
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when I started sort of shopping around
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for another way to check my email,
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I heard about MimeStream, which is in beta.
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It is from somebody who used to work
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on the Apple Mail team, actually,
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and is now off on his own.
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And it's, and what's his name?
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Do we know his name?
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- I can find it out for you.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, let me know.
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I mean, he obviously, it's MimeStream.
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He named it for himself.
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The, oh, it's Neil.
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- Neil MimeStream.
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- Neil MimeStream, yes.
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Anyway, he made this app and it is eventually,
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I think he wants it to be more, but out of the gate,
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it is a native Mac app that is a Gmail client.
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And what that means is everything works better,
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'cause as a Gmail user, everything works better
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than Apple Mail does with Gmail.
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It understands what Gmail labels are,
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it understands what Gmail search is.
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If I do a search in MimeStream, it does with,
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and I can do the qualifiers and whatever
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that I would do in a Gmail,
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'cause it's the number one reason that Gmail is great
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is that the search is amazing, it's Google.
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It just, it works in MindStream.
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It's native Mac interface back to buy
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all of that Gmail power.
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I switched immediately,
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and it is such a revelation and such a discovery.
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Still technically in beta, so it's still free.
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He will charge for it eventually.
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Sign me up. Sign me up for whatever you're charging, Neil MimeStream, because I love it.
00:32:22
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I echo everything you said about both Bartender and MimeStream. They're two Mac apps that I love.
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And maybe we'll talk about MimeStream a little bit more in a minute.
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I wanted to say CleanShot X, which is an application that I have been on a bit of an
00:32:40
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unnecessary or undesired press tour for over the last...
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Yes, I know I've noticed this.
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Because I think it's so fantastic.
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It really is a vastly better screenshot tool
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than the one that Apple ships.
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- All right, I'm curious a little bit
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about what makes it vastly better.
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And I say this because I heard you talking
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to Steven about this.
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And the features that I think he mentioned that it did
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all are in the stock, stock Apple screenshot thing.
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He was like, "Oh, you can take a screenshot
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without a shadow, yeah, you can do that in the stock Apple screenshot. You can take it
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with, you know, you can put it on the clipboard, that like, and what that says to me is that
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Apple stock thing is bad at discoverability, but very fully featured. So explain to me
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why I, as somebody who knows all the tricks of the Apple screenshot tool, should try CleanShotX.
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My point is, you're not going to get me with a feature that already exists, but I don't
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know about it. So you're left with what does it do better, not what does it show off better,
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but what does it actually do better than the stock Apple stuff.
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Okay, so one thing, it has a lot of customizability, which I enjoy. So you can choose what part
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of the screen you want the little preview to show up on, for example. And you can choose
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how big you want it to be and stuff like that. You can choose how long it stays around, you
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you can choose if and when it will disappear and what needs to happen for that. You can
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choose where to save stuff and all those kinds of things. So it's a little bit more customizability
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or easier to access customizability. The markup tools that are in the application are much
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preferred and are easier to use. And it, I don't know, it does things in a way that make
00:34:33
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more logical sense to me. Like if I take a screenshot, I don't always, I just want to
00:34:39
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take the screenshot and then make the decision about what I want to do with it.
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I don't want to have to activate like a specific keyboard shortcut combination
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to get what I want.
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So like I take the screenshot and then I can hover over it and press copy or I
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can hover over it and do what I need to do and then just press command C like,
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or you can drag the things around really easily.
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I don't remember if Apple's version does this.
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Like you can just drag the screenshot and put it into a text field.
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I also like that you can stack multiple screenshots
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on top of each other and they just stack up.
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So you could take a bunch of screenshots
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of a bunch of things, and it's not like
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it doesn't replace each one each time.
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You get a new one every time.
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Yeah, it does video recording,
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which you can also turn into GIFs really easily
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if you want to.
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It does full screen.
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So if you wanna take like a scrolling screenshot
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of like a webpage, you can do that.
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It has a timer built into it if you want that.
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It also does stuff like you can choose to,
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if you take a screenshot of your desktop
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or something on your desktop,
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you can remove all the things you have on your desktop
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so they don't show up in the screenshot.
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This is also the same for video.
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So if you were doing a screencast,
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you don't actually have to clean up anything.
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And you can also, if you want to,
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choose a screen, like a background
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that will show up in those screenshots.
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It doesn't have to be your desktop background.
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So basically it does a lot of the basics the same,
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but then has a ton of customizability.
00:36:10
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And a lot of the things that they allow you to customize
00:36:12
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are the exact things I want to customize,
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but Apple doesn't allow for the options for.
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And also, as I say,
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I feel like I'm able to make my decisions more slowly
00:36:23
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and in my own time,
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rather than having to decide exactly what I want.
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- Right, if you don't hold down option right now,
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everything is ruined.
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Yep, so I only need to remember two shortcuts.
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One for capture an area, one for capture the whole screen.
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- All right, well said.
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- So that's what I like about it.
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- So for me, I would be cool with craft.
00:36:47
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I would be cool, which was the Upgradients pick.
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I would be cool with bartender.
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Obviously Clean Shot X.
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I think between me and you, I think Mime Stream's got a really good shot in the next category.
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I think it does.
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So I would say, you know, I would be really good with Bartender personally.
00:37:11
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Let's do it.
00:37:12
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Alright, so we're gonna go with the winner for the best Mac app of 2021 to be Bartender
00:37:17
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with the runners up.
00:37:19
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Should we go with...
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Clean Shot and Craft.
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Yeah, that works for me.
00:37:26
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Good work, Bartender.
00:37:27
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I don't know the developer's name, so we'll just go with bartender person for the time being.
00:37:32
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Mr. Bartender.
00:37:33
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So, best newcomer Mac app, and the upgradians voted thusly.
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This is really interesting to me.
00:37:42
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Now that was interesting because Kraft won best Mac app
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and got a higher percentage in best newcomer Mac app.
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There you go.
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Mime stream with 11.2% and shortcuts with 16.4%.
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Okay, shortcuts. Yeah.
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I had shortcuts on my original shortlist.
00:38:07
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I felt like I couldn't commit to it because
00:38:11
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I feel like next year I could maybe give it my best Mac app,
00:38:17
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but like with the things that I have in my category, they are,
00:38:22
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They are fully formed apps that do their job properly.
00:38:27
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And Shortcuts does that most of the time?
00:38:30
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- I think Shortcuts has gotten better
00:38:33
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and is getting better 'cause I think Apple realized
00:38:35
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what they shipped wasn't good enough.
00:38:36
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It is weird and not Mac-like in a lot of ways.
00:38:41
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And some of it is me getting used to it and it's quirks,
00:38:44
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but that's not great.
00:38:45
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That's not great with the,
00:38:46
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oh, I have very specific behaviors I only ever do
00:38:49
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when I'm in Shortcuts.
00:38:51
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It's like, no, it shouldn't really be like that,
00:38:53
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but that's sort of how it is right now.
00:38:55
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But it's getting better and everything around it is great.
00:38:58
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And it has been a game changer on the Mac already
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in terms of what I'm capable of doing.
00:39:03
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But the app is still kind of janky.
00:39:10
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So I wanna praise its functionality and what it enables
00:39:15
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while also saying that as an app,
00:39:18
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and we are so app focused with these categories.
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Like I'm so happy that it's there.
00:39:25
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I wish it was better,
00:39:27
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but it's functional, but not great.
00:39:32
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And that's tough to give any award to.
00:39:37
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My other ones in this category,
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Swift Bar, which I've already mentioned,
00:39:43
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it came out end of last year.
00:39:47
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So basically in the period where it was sort of too late.
00:39:51
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And MimeStream, which we just talked about,
00:39:54
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which is fantastic.
00:39:58
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- I love having shortcuts on my Mac.
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And I love interacting with it from the menu bar.
00:40:04
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I have yet to really spend a lot of time
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building a shortcut on my Mac.
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I think I wanna give that a little bit more time.
00:40:11
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I also feel like I haven't really had the opportunity
00:40:14
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to fully dig into shortcuts,
00:40:16
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like the possibilities for the Mac,
00:40:18
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but just having, you know, I have the menu bar
00:40:21
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and I have the five shortcuts that I use really frequently.
00:40:24
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And I really love having access to those right there
00:40:27
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as well as needing, like other than needing
00:40:28
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to just pick up an iOS device and fire it off, you know.
00:40:31
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- Yeah, I just, I showed you something last week
00:40:33
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that I built, which is that now the Mac integration
00:40:36
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is starting to hit with shortcuts.
00:40:37
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So like I can run a shortcut in launch bar
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and instead of just running it, I can press,
00:40:43
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I can select it and type space and then put in input
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and it is passed as input to the shortcut.
00:40:50
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So I built a thing that searches six colors.
00:40:53
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So if I want a search term,
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I want to find something that's six colors,
00:40:56
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it used to be that I could either search for it,
00:40:59
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but I would end up in a web browser window
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and then I'd need to click on the link
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of the one that I wanted and copy it to the clipboard.
00:41:06
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And I built a shortcut that takes input,
00:41:07
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so it comes from Launch Bar,
00:41:09
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and then it throws up a little list
00:41:12
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of all the article headlines that match it,
00:41:14
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that came back from the server,
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and I pick one and it copies it to the clipboard.
00:41:18
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It's just, it's so good.
00:41:20
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And the extra magic that's happening there
00:41:23
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is that Launch Bar, a utility that I use all the time,
00:41:26
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is now talking to the shortcut,
00:41:29
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and that puts it over the edge.
00:41:31
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So like, it's really great that it's there,
00:41:33
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but it's one of the big stories of this year,
00:41:35
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but I don't think, it certainly can't be a winner
00:41:36
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for best newcomer Mac app
00:41:37
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because of all the problems in the app.
00:41:39
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So, and your two, I'm looking at your list here
00:41:44
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is two apps that you've mentioned before.
00:41:48
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- MimeStream, which we've talked about
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and Timery on the Mac side,
00:41:51
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which is the catalyst version of Timery
00:41:55
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from the iOS side.
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- Yeah, and it's super good.
00:42:00
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I think it's catalyst.
00:42:01
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I'm pretty sure it's a catalyst app.
00:42:03
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- I think so.
00:42:04
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- And I just think that Joe has done a wonderful job
00:42:07
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with Timery.
00:42:08
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It started off as like, "Hey, here's the iOS app."
00:42:11
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Like I was on the beta, right?
00:42:13
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And it's like basically, "Here's the iOS app."
00:42:15
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And then it's added a bunch of stuff to the application,
00:42:18
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like sidebar support and stuff like that,
00:42:20
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which has then found its way back into the app.
00:42:22
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And you remember that thing I was mentioning earlier
00:42:24
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about the auto-completing when you type something in?
00:42:26
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That first thing is in the Mac app,
00:42:29
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and then it found its way to the iOS app as well.
00:42:31
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But my very favorite thing that it has is up in the menu bar,
00:42:35
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and it's showing me what my current timer is,
00:42:37
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but I can very easily click it, I can start a timer,
00:42:40
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I can choose from save timers or recent timers.
00:42:43
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It really feels like a great example of an application
00:42:46
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that started life as a capitalist app
00:42:48
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and now does all this other stuff
00:42:49
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that not necessarily a standard capitalist app,
00:42:53
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I was gonna say capitalist,
00:42:54
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not a standard capitalist app would do.
00:42:57
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But I just think that Joe's done just a wonderful job
00:43:01
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with the TimeRemax app.
00:43:03
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It's, you know, when Apple Silicon came out,
00:43:07
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It wasn't one of the apps that was like enabled
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that you could just run and I was disappointed about that.
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But honestly, I'm just happy that I waited now
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because the result of this one has been vastly superior.
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And as I say is, in going down this development path
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which I just think is like really awesome.
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I just think that that's a great thing.
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And then my other nomination is MimeStream.
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So you should say you heard about this from me and Steven.
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I heard about it first from Steven on a Mac Power Users episode.
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I use Gmail and what I was looking for,
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so for one email account that I run,
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I didn't want it to be in my standard email app
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where I have a bunch of accounts,
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so I wanted to keep it off on its own.
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And I was looking for something to put it in
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and I thought, oh, I'll give this Mime Stream a try.
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'Cause I couldn't switch to Mime Stream
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for all of my email for two reasons.
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One, not all of my email is Gmail.
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And two, I've come to really rely on Spark's email
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sharing system so I can share email with our VP of sales and we can go talk about
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email and stuff like that. So I couldn't leave that.
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It's too important to my workflow now.
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But what I really love about MimeStream is it's like, Hey,
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what about all of the best features of Gmail but in an application that's nice
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and looks good and is very frequently updated and has everything that you want.
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Like one of my favorite things, which is very simple,
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but like so many other apps just don't do or can't do or whatever,
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is it has the support for the auto-filtering
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that Google does, like promotions and updates
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and that kind of thing.
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You just do it, and it's easy.
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And what I also really love is I'm a very particular email
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person, right?
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I like my emails set up in a certain way.
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And this app has every feature I've ever
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wanted for an email application, but not in an obscene way.
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I think it's very thought through.
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Something that's really important to me
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is if I read an email and archive that email or reply,
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what I want the email app to do
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is just send the app back to the inbox,
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do not open the next email, right?
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I do not want that ever.
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And there are way too many apps that you deal with an email
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and the next thing it does, hey, here's the next email.
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And it marks it as unread
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and then you've got the next email in front of you.
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I never want that.
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And MimeStream has a set so you can choose
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when you action an email, what happens next,
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and you can choose it.
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To me, that is like, if an app doesn't have that setting,
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I just feel like the person doesn't use email.
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Like, if you always, every single time,
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want it to do one thing,
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I just don't think you're using email enough.
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Because that is a very particular thing that people want.
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Some people do their email, they just process it all at once
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but lots of people do their emails well like I do,
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where it's like, I do one at a time.
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Just because I've sent one email,
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doesn't mean I now wanna deal with the rest of it.
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Mime stream is awesome.
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And that's why it's the winner.
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Of best newcomer Mac app.
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This is an easy one.
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Uh, I really hope that, uh, Neil Mime stream is able to continue pushing this one.
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Um, like support other types of email, you know, and, and, and an iOS client as well,
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which I know is on their radar.
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Run us up, uh, shortcuts.
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I mean, it was on your list and the upgrade is this.
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- And the upgrading of the list.
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- And the upgrading of the list.
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And can we put Timery in again?
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Love you, Timery. Love you, Joe.
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- I should create a timer for when we talk about Timery.
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- I mean, it would be a lot for me.
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That would be a lot of time.
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- Yeah, that would be the only timer I would ever use,
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though, would just be the Timery timer.
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show and Relay FM. So we now move into some media related categories and the first one is Game of
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the Year. Typically this has been non-mobile because we have an iOS Game of the Year category
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up next. And the Upgradians voted thusly with 4.5% going to Halo Infinite, 8.5% going to Forza
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Horizon 5 and 13.8% going to Metroid Dread. Now I'm just gonna say this up front Jason,
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I haven't really done my homework this year. I have not played many video games this year,
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especially in the last half of the year. Oh no, but this would be like me not reading a book.
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Yeah. I rely on you Myke. Mm-hmm, been pretty bad. Now what I will say is many of my friends
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basically made up a very similar list to this one. Forza Horizon 5 is a game that I have played and
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really enjoyed it. I would say honestly, you know, maybe spoilers, I don't know if I would have had
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a better game than Forza, maybe Halo but I haven't gotten to it yet. I don't think I would have
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played Metroid Dread. I know that lots of people love it but it's not really my type of game.
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So I feel pretty happy myself in saying Forza Horizon 5, but what have you been playing this year?
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All right, well guess what? I have opinions about this category because I played some games that
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were not iOS games. Unfortunately they were also not Xbox games or PlayStation games.
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And I also believe, looking at your list, none of them released in 2021.
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Well, it doesn't matter because this is when I fell in love with them, so that's all that matters.
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Yeah, okay. Alright.
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And here's what they are.
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Super Mario Brothers!
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Space Invaders!
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Game of the Year!
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Come on, it deserves it!
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I got an Oculus Quest 2 for Christmas last year.
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And the games that I've been playing this year are Oculus Quest games.
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And the two that I have fallen in love with are
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11 table tennis because the world needed a super realistic virtual reality table tennis
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simulation. It's amazing. It is a perfect fit for the technology.
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I hate this game because I suck at table tennis. And it's too good.
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Well you can dial the quality of the AI opponent down to nothing and then it's like you're
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facing a tree across the table. That was the only way I could play the game
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and then I just felt like a fool, really.
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- I have gotten up to, I found my level
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where I am good enough to win sometimes, but be challenged.
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And it's not a very high number, but I love it.
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It is one of those things where I was like,
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"Oh, I see, yes, this is a good use of VR."
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Like of the controllers and the hardware in general,
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like I'm very impressed with 11 Table Tennis.
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It's really good.
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And I'm on the Beat Saber train, I gotta say.
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I am always, okay, rhythm games.
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I don't like rhythm games that are push a button
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or tap a screen.
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I don't like them because the idea with rhythm is,
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tapping your toes, tapping your finger is not dancing.
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And rhythm games are like that.
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They're kind of like full body games, they should be.
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And so when they say, well, we took rock band
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where you've got an instrument or whatever,
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and we've just made it so you tap on a screen.
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It's like, nah, it's a lot less interesting to me then.
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So Beat Saber, which makes you lunge after boxes
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with a lightsaber to the tune of various kind of Polish
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industrial music, or if you pay,
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Billie Eilish or Imagine Dragons,
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is great. It is, it is fulfilling something, something that Rock Band always used to fulfill
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for me, but of course with less equipment to be carted out than Rock Band requires.
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And, better. It's better. It's the best Revenant game ever made. Like, it just is.
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It's amazing. And this is the case, this is where I'm gonna say, like what you said about
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11 table tennis, that I'm terrible at it, and I need to do more, but I'm so terrible at it that I
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I can actually make myself move and sweat and things
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not doing very well, and that's good enough.
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But then you see people who are able to do
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incredibly well at it and they have better rhythm than me.
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There's just no doubt about it.
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But still you're swinging your arms, you're moving around.
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It's very effective.
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It's a killer app, I would say for this platform.
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- It is the VR game.
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- Yeah, and I would go so far as to say
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that whatever Apple does with their headset,
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they better have a rhythm game that is like, you know,
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I don't know what they're gonna call it.
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That's it, thump swords.
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They better be their day one thump swords, boom swords.
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- Jason, here's the thing.
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If Apple do this, there will be a million developers
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trying to make their own Beat Saber.
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- Sure, their own Beat Saber.
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That's also true.
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- The only problem is it's owned by Meta,
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So you've got to be real careful.
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- Well, and you can't just sign, you know,
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sign them up to appear on the platform
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because Meta has taken them away, but it's a great game.
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It really is.
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And I love both those games.
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So, and I didn't, you know, I thought, oh, VR it's fun.
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I had fun with the PS VR.
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So I thought, oh, I'll get this thing.
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And I wish there was a game,
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the other kind of game that I wish there was on,
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on the quest that there isn't is the,
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I really did love the PSVR game with the little robots
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that is a Tokyo studio. - Astrobot.
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- Astrobot rescue.
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And the PS5 comes with an Astrobot that's cute,
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but like that was such a great VR game, VR platformer.
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And I have not been satisfied
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with any of that kind of stuff on the meta platform.
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So that's something that maybe if Apple does it,
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or if there's a proper VR for some other gaming platform.
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But anyway, I think those games are both great
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and I want to at least recognize them,
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even though they didn't come out this year
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because this was the year that I played them and loved them.
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And I think they're great.
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- Have you played any of the Beat Saber levels
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that you are in like 180 or 360 degrees?
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- Oh God, no.
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- Oh, Jason is so good.
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- Well, I can't even.
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- Yeah, I understand.
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I understand.
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- I can't even do when the boxes,
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when they change the sides of the colors of the boxes,
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Like I'm so bad at it.
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- I desperately want to see you play this game now.
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The 360 levels, like once you get good,
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it takes practice, once you get good at it,
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they are a whole, it's like a whole different kind of game.
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It's wild, they're a lot of fun, they're a lot of fun.
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- Well, earlier this year I injured my rotator cuff
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and it was one of those things where it was like,
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you know, it hurts, it's not fun,
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but the really sad part about it was,
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it's a, I'm like on the VR disabled list,
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'cause it involves waving your arms around
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and for several months I really couldn't wave my arm around
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without pain, I was like, oh no, I can't play Beat Saber,
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I'm on the 11 table tennis injury list now.
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But anyway, they're great.
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- I think we're gonna have to go,
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we can put Beat Saber in as a runner up.
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- Thank you.
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- We can't give a game of--
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- No, it's fine.
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- We'll go with Forza Horizon 5.
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- Really, oh, I just assumed 11 table tennis
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by acclimation. I apologize. I apologize. Game of the year. But
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yes. Okay. Well, I'll I'll you're you're this is a racing
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game, right? Myke? It's race cars, right? It's a good race
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car game. Great. Very good racing car game set in Mexico.
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Forza Horizon 5 is the winner of game of the best game of 2021
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with Beat Saber and Metroid Dread as our runners up. All
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right. So we can move into iOS game of the year. Yay. With 4.6%
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of the vote goes to Good Sudoku Plus, 5% of the vote to Mini Motorways, and 5.5% goes
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to Alto's Odyssey The Lost City.
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Those are all Apple Arcade games.
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All Apple Arcade.
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And I'll say as it went down from there, still a lot of Apple Arcade in the top 10.
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Now I will say for me personally, this 2021 has not been a good new mobile game year.
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For me, there has not been a standout new entry.
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I don't know why this is, but I have not come across a game this year which I felt was really
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like "Oh wow, this is great."
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And for me as well, like that list there is very similar to me.
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It's like I've enjoyed a lot of games that have come back this year, you know, like Apple
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did their like, kind of classics thing where they brought like a bunch of really great
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games from the past and brought them back and or, you know, and that is, Minimotorways
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was an Apple Arcade, just a straight up Apple Arcade game.
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Yeah, but it was a sequel to a, you know, already popular game.
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Very different game.
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- They're not that similar, I would say.
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- Yeah, but you know what I mean, right?
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Like you look at it and you say,
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this is very clearly the same people,
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they did the same and that noted,
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they're doing the same kind of thing.
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Good Sudoku Plus is Good Sudoku,
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now available in a blockade,
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Altos Odyssey to Lost City.
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- Good Sudoku was late,
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fairly late last year, wasn't it?
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Although I don't know, it was a pandemic game.
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I can't really even tell. - Who could tell?
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So there's been stuff, right?
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It's not like there haven't been games.
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There have been games this year, but I,
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there hasn't been a everyone's going wild
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for this iOS game this year.
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So you have a longer list than me.
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Actually, I think, oh, look at, yeah,
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your list is the same as the upgrade.
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- My list is the same as the upgrade Ian's.
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We are in sync on this and I don't care
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if there's a game out there that everybody's talking about.
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I just care about the games that I like.
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And you know what I like the best?
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Alto's Odyssey, the lost city,
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which is extra content for my favorite iOS game of all time.
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So yeah, I loved it.
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I played it all the way through.
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My only real criticism is that there needs to be
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some sort of a signifier that feels good
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when you clear the last thing.
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And that doesn't happen.
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It just says, "Oh, you don't have any more challenges left."
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Like, "Oh, okay."
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But it was great.
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And they have new artwork and they have new music
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and it's the full "Alto's Odyssey" game on top,
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plus this is added on.
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And if you already played "Alto's Odyssey",
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you can load your status and you pick up all that stuff
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and you just jump right in.
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You have to replay the game from the start, which is nice.
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A lot of these plus Apple Arcade games don't do that,
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by the way, which I find frustrating.
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I would really like if I started off on the regular game
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and then came to the plus game,
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a button that will load all of my stuff.
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- Most of them don't need it though.
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- Well, I mean, like I have a, like, sorry,
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I really I'm talking about Zach Gage here.
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We're like Flip-Flop Solitaire doesn't remember
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all of my stats.
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Good Sudoku doesn't remember any of my stats
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and I, on the plus version.
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So I ended up having both versions on there
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'cause I already bought the games
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and now there's the plus version.
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So anyway, that's number one, Mini Motorways.
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When I, I was a little lukewarm on it
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when it initially shipped,
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but I think this is one of those things
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that also happened with Mini Metro actually,
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that the developer, Dinosaur Polo Club, fun to say,
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they ship their game and then they tweak it.
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And that just is how they do it.
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So I revisited many motorways in the last couple of months,
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and it's so much better than it used to be.
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They've really added a whole bunch of things on iOS
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that were just not there before.
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The logic works better, there's roundabouts.
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And in fact, the turn taking every week
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is a better interface now that makes it clear
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what your choices are between like, do you want a highway
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and 20 road tokens, or do you want 40 road tokens
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and you get to choose which one.
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It's much clearer sort of what you're gonna get.
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So I think that game is great.
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And Good Sudoku, which then again,
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came out with Good Sudoku Plus.
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I never understood this game.
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I know people played it.
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I didn't get it.
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The whole purpose of this game is to teach it to you
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and to teach you how to be better at it.
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And it completely worked on me to the point where
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I have played it a bunch.
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And if you give me a newspaper Sudoku page,
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I can solve it pretty fast because I'm not great,
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but I'm good.
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I'm good at Sudoku now, thanks to this app.
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So I love all three of those apps.
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- I wanted to throw in another one,
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which is Jetpack Joyride Plus.
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Jetpack Joyride is one of my favorite iOS games
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of all time.
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And Apple did the similar thing of asking Halfbrick Studios
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to bring Jetpack Joyride back,
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give it a little bit of polish here and there where needed, you know, make it fit
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all the devices. They added a few things and they brought it back as a plus game.
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Honestly, really the iOS game of the year is an Apple Arcade subscription this year.
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Um, like I, Apple is continuing the original strategy somewhat.
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There they are working with developers and they're creating these really nice
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games or they're buying, you know, nice games for the platform.
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But I think this is a part of the strategy
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that makes a ton of sense.
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- Yeah, we talked about it here before,
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but the idea that they added in those two other layers,
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which is classic games that there's no financial motivation
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for them to be updated for the current platform.
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They get folded into Apple Arcade,
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they provide them a financial lifeline,
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and then the converting them off of paid
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so that you basically,
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essentially because you're an Apple Arcade subscriber,
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you don't have to pay for the in-app purchases,
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they're all unlocked.
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And so you, I mean, that's right.
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That's what we're seeing here with all of these
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is Jetpack Joyride is a classic game
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that's been given a maintenance update
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because of Apple Arcade money.
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Good Sudoku Plus is a pay game turned into a free game
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for Apple Arcade subscribers.
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Alta's Odyssey is they commissioned them to do extra levels
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and then Mini Motorways is an original essentially.
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So like it's covering all of these bases
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and that's the dimension that Apple Arcade
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didn't have when it launched.
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I would be very cool with Alto's Odyssey.
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- All right, good. - Going in here.
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Which I would say technically makes this
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a two-time best iOS game winner,
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which is a really weird thing to win.
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But they also won, they won with Alto's Adventure.
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So three time a winner of an upgrade,
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but not, just wouldn't qualify them for Hall of Fame,
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nor would it really make any sense to.
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Let's go with Mini Motorways and Good Sudoku Plus
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as the runners up because I like that it completely matched
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with you and the upgrade ends.
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And somebody did mention Good Sudoku Plus
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was a runner up last year.
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Well, Good Sudoku was.
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- Oh, Good Sudoku was, yeah,
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'cause it came out last year, so, yep.
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- So now we move into favorite movie of the year,
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The Upgradians voted with 9% for No Time to Die,
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15.9% for Shang-Chi, and 27.5% for Dune.
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- Wow, that's a lot of Dune.
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- Yeah, I'd like to go first
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'cause I saw less movies, if that's okay.
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- Yeah, sure.
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- The two movies that I am gonna put in this category,
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I saw this week. (laughs)
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Because really, they're the only new movies
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I've seen this year.
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One is Encanto, the new Disney movie.
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Really, really great movie with superb music,
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all written by Lin-Manuel Miranda,
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who I think has maybe found the next thing that he does.
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Like I know that he's working on other stuff
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and I need to watch the movie about Rent,
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'cause I've heard that's pretty good.
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Is it Tick Tick Boom it's called?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- Lin-Manuel Miranda writing all of the music
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for Disney movies is a really good idea
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because the music in this movie,
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like so the music in Moana, right?
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Moana's music, awesome.
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Limo and Miranda played a hand in some of this.
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The music in Encanto, he wrote all of the original songs.
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They are amazing.
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And I think it's super smart to get someone
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who's really talented at writing music,
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like to write these kind of modern songs.
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'Cause as I was saying,
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it helps the movies be rewatchable by kids.
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- That was always the trick with Disney in its classic era.
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first they had the classic Ashwin and Menken and then but then they started to
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bring in like songwriters to do pop songwriters like Elton John with the
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Lion King and so so they're like Lin-Manuel Miranda he loves Disney and
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they work well together and I haven't seen in Kanto yet it's on my list it's
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on my list. It's a really cute movie and the animation is great and I'm not gonna
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say too much about it but what I like about this movie compared to a lot of
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other Disney movies is it's actually quite small in scope. Like, it's not this like,
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huge sprawling big adventure. It's like a really small scope movie. And I really liked
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it a lot. So my other one is Spider-Man No Way Home. That movie slaps. It's so good.
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Oh my god, no spoilers. No spoilers. I freaking love this movie. It's gonna be a Myke of the
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movies probably. We're gonna have to talk about Spider-Man No Way Home. Yeah, I think
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- We might have to, I think we might have to.
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- I wanna see it again,
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but I don't wanna go back to a movie theater again.
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So I guess I'm gonna have to wait,
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but I wanna see it again.
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But yeah, I loved it.
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I have my, I watched a lot of movies this year
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and I logged my movies this year,
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which hasn't happened before in Letterboxd.
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So I actually kept track of what movies I saw this year
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and what I thought of them.
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That was a lot of fun.
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So here's my list of my favorite seven movies that I saw
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that were new-ish, right?
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I'm not gonna say a lot of these were Oscar nominees,
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so they came from 2020, but I saw them in 2021.
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And here they are, "Promising Young Woman"
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with Carey Mulligan, probably my favorite movie of the year.
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"Coda" on Apple TV Plus, I liked it a lot.
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I thought it was really good.
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That's the girl who is the hearing child of a deaf family,
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who wants to be a musician.
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Spider-Man No Way Home.
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A movie called Never Rarely Sometimes Always,
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which is about two girls who have to take a bus to the city
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in order for one of them to get an abortion.
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Nomadland, which, you know, won best picture,
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but it is really good.
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- I liked it too.
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I like it too, yay!
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Now it's been mentioned on the upgrade,
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he's finally they've made it.
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In and of itself, which is that movie by the magician
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that's basically the film version of his stage show.
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If you haven't seen it,
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don't look up anything about what happens in it.
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It's just an amazing kind of document
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of some very clever, interesting stagecraft kind of things.
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and a movie called "First Cow,"
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which is a very quiet, slow-paced movie
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set in the early 1800s in Oregon.
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And indeed, a cow is brought to the region
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where the people in Oregon are,
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and it's the first cow to be brought to that area.
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This is pre-Gold Rush, West Coast.
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So not really an era that gets even shown that much.
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And I had been thinking about that movie the whole year.
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I saw it in January.
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I've been thinking about the whole year.
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Such a strange, but kind of wonderful movie.
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And so those are my faves.
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- What do you think about "Dune" as the Upgradians' vote?
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- I like "Dune."
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I didn't put it on my list here.
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I like "Shang-Chi" too, and I didn't put it on my list,
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but I think that's a really good movie too.
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I haven't seen "No Time to Die."
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But I like "Dune."
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First off, it's just half the movie, but I was charmed by it.
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I would like to watch it again at some point.
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I'm constantly surprised at how many people love it because I've always
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thought Dune to be a real acquired taste.
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And when they came out with this movie, I was like, well, okay.
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But, and then people are like, ah, Dune, I love it.
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I'm like, really, really.
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Okay, great.
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Like I read like four Dune books and I write like, it's a good movie.
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It's a vibe.
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I mean, maybe that's kind of one of the things
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I like about it is it's kind of like the sound
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and the visuals and you just kind of like,
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it surrounds you with sand
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and but it's also half a movie, unfortunately,
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which I'd say I get why,
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but I think it's unfortunate.
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It just kind of ends and that's just, all right,
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stay tuned to part two for part two in three years.
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So, but I did like it.
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I do think Spider-Man would have ranked higher.
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It was creeping up, but we were in the voting closed
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soon for that movie.
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- It matches on both of our lists.
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- Should we do it?
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- We could give it the upgradey.
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So do you want to pick a runner up?
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- Let's pick Dune.
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- And how about Encanto?
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- Oh, that's nice.
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I love Encanto.
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That's a good movie, man.
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I think you'll get a kick out of it.
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- I will look forward to it.
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Good family movie.
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So congratulations to Spider-Man.
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Favorite TV show, the upgrading has voted
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at 11.4% for Foundation,
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which ranked way higher than I was expecting
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compared to all the other stuff that's come out this year.
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Loki with 14.6% and 21.7% for Ted Lasso.
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- Wow, that's a lot of Ted Lasso.
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- We have the right audience for it, I think.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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I think you're right.
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Here are my seven favorite shows of 2021.
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For All Mankind, season two.
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It's really good.
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The people who know know, there's a TV critic
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I like, Alan Sepinwall, who keeps writing about it.
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He said it was his favorite show of the year.
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And he's like, why, you know,
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people just aren't talking about it.
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They just don't know about it.
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They haven't found it.
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- It was on too early.
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I think if it was later in the year,
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If For All Mankind had just wrapped up, it would be on more lists.
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So, For All Mankind for sure. Hacks on HBO Max, starring Jean Smart and Hannah... oh,
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what's her name? Einbinder. That is a great show. It's funny, it's about a young woman
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comedy writer and a 50-something woman, legendary, maybe 60, legendary comedian from an era where
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it was very hard for a woman to be in comedy. And she's now performing in Vegas and her
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agent or her manager and agent convince her, I guess the manager doesn't like it, the agent
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convinces her to have this hot comedy talent who's kind of down on her luck because she
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she kind of got canceled for stupid stuff she did, to come write for her. And the comedian
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is offended and the writer thinks it's beneath her. And you're seeing sort of comedy from
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the perspective of two women kind of like beginning and ends of their careers. It's
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brilliant. And it's very funny, but it's also really interesting and dramatic. And there's
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just it's great if anybody hasn't seen hacks in the US it's on HBO Max it is spectacularly good
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Loki I think is the I hope that when Disney+ executives were looking at the output of their
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first year they looked at Loki and they were like that one yeah that one yeah I like WandaVision
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that was the best one yeah I like WandaVision I like Hawkeye but Loki was the one who's like
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"Yeah, that. That. We got it. We hit it. Do that." I don't want them all to be the same,
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but Loki was the one who was like, "That. We got it. We nailed it." I love that show.
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As somebody who grew up watching Doctor Who, it is like, what if Doctor Who had an enormous Disney
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Marvel budget? Because it's kind of Doctor Who-y in a way. It's a weird, weird show, but I loved it.
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and I love the soundtrack.
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The performances are really good.
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Loki is great.
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If you haven't, if you've been skeptical
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about the Marvel Disney shows,
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seek out Loki sometime when you've got Disney Plus,
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it's really good.
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I loved Hulu's only murders in the building,
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which is Steve Martin and Martin Short and Selena Gomez,
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or as my daughter refers to it, the show,
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oh, the show with Selena Gomez in it.
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It's like, yeah, also Steve Martin and Martin Short
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are in it for the olds.
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It's like a comedy murder mystery about podcasting.
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It's great. - I can't watch it.
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I can't do it.
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I'm sure it's good.
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Adina's watching it right now and she loves it.
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I can't watch things about podcasting.
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I can't do it.
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- I actually think the portrayal of podcasting,
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although unrealistic in some ways,
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is very realistic in other ways.
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And I think it's funny. - That's maybe part of why
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I can't do it as well.
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Like I just can't bring myself to do it.
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- You know, the episode title comes up
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and it's in like a little overcast kind of interface
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and it makes me laugh every time.
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It's so good.
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"Invincible" on Amazon Prime video,
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animated series about superheroes and a family,
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and it's not for kids, but I loved it.
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I think it's one of my favorite comic books,
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and I think a great adaptation, really, really well done.
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"It's a Sin," which was from the BBC,
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but it's on HBO Max in America by Russell T. Davis,
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about a group of friends in the early days
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of the AIDS epidemic, and if I describe it that way,
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and you think, oh, this is gonna be one of those sad dramas
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where everybody dies, it's not.
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It's actually joyful and wonderful and sad all at once.
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And I think it's a masterwork.
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I think it is just, it's worth your time.
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It's five episodes, I think.
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So well done.
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And last, I'll throw in "What We Do in the Shadows,"
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which had a third season, I think, on FX and on Hulu.
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And that is just a funny show,
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funny, dumb show about vampires, and I love it.
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- No spoilers.
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I'll just say we watched
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"What We Do in the Shadows" season three this week.
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Didn't like the ending.
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- Yeah, I don't know what they're doing there.
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- I think the worlds fell off a little bit.
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I think two things might've happened.
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I think one, they're maybe not sure if they had a season four when they wrote it.
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I also think they had maybe five writers had different ways they wanted to end the season,
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and over the span of like three episodes, they did all of them.
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- They did them all.
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- And I'm not sure that that was the right way to go.
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- I mostly watch that for the jokes and the characters and not for the plot,
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but yeah, at the end, there's sort of a lot of plot that happens.
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You're like, you just, and honestly, my whole reaction is like,
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you're just gonna undo this all next year.
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If you come back, you're gonna literally undo everything.
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And that's what makes it even more weird to me, because it's like if they do another one,
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they have five things to undo.
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Love that show though, like the whole thing.
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For me, seasons one and two are better than season three, but season three also still
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really good.
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My favorite shows of the year, Ted Lasso was an easy one for me to be in there.
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I've got a real-time correction by the way, because this is what I do.
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I always joke about how I just conflate all British television to the BBC.
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a sentence from Channel 4, or as I like to think of it, BBC 4, but it's not. It's Channel
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4, it's a commercial broadcaster in the UK. It's a great show though. Okay, please resume
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Ted Lasso, easy pick for me. The Morning Show, great second season. Way better than a season
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one. If you watched season one, didn't like how it ended, watched season two, it's way
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better in a good way.
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Okay, I guess I'll have to do that because I watched season one and I thought it was
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okay, but I didn't like how it ended and I have not been motivated to watch it, even
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though I've been planning on it, so this will be a spur to put it more on the watch list
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and we'll get back to it.
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If I can give two more recommendations for it.
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One, I think they learned what the show is and they made it that.
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And there is an episode of this season which is maybe the best episode of TV I've seen
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The rest of the season isn't as good as this, which is why it's not my favourite show of
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the year, but it's one of my favourite shows of the year.
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For All Mankind, it's just superb.
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I think it's probably Apple's best show.
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my favourite but they're best right? I just think it is every episode is excellent. Loki
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is my favourite Disney and Marvel project that they've done but my I think my personal
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favourite television show this year is Dexter New Blood so if you're a fan of Dexter you
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have to be a fan of Dexter to watch the show if you don't there's no point but it is the
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only television show this year where I have been like all of these other shows I'm like
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"Oh great, it's Ted Lasso Day" or "Oh great, it's for Mankind Day"
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But with Dexter, I'm like, I cannot wait for Monday
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Because I mean, it's a thriller, right? So it has that to it
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There is a cliffhanger at the end of every episode of the show, right?
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So like, you are motivated to want more of it
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But it's just like a really smart way that they have brought the character back for
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I believe it's just going to be this one season as a way to put a better bow on the series
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- Right, because everybody hated how it ended, yeah.
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- And this is, they've done a bunch of really smart stuff
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and they have a ton of new characters
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and they've integrated some of the old previous stories
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into it really well and old characters into it really well.
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It is excellent.
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If you watched Dexter and liked it,
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if you watched Dexter and hated how Dexter ended,
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do yourself a favor and watch Dexter New Blood.
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So that's my recommendation.
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I'm not gonna try and petition it as the winner.
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It would be my personal runner up.
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So let's do, here's my suggestion, winner for all mankind, runners-up, Ted Lasso and Loki.
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I'm good with that. I'm good with that. So for all mankind, we'll win.
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Kind of integrating all of our lists and the Upgradients list.
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Yeah, and then Ted Lasso and Loki. Like, here's the thing,
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Ted Lasso season two was still really great. It was never going to be like Ted Lasso won.
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And I don't know how it could be because it's impossible.
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- That first season was act one,
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where everybody gets to know each other and everything.
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And like, you can't, really season two is like, okay,
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now we need to tell the rest of the story here.
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- But also season one, the surprise of what the show is.
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- It's true.
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It was magic.
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It was locked down.
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It was magic.
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It was a shot of happiness.
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It was so many things that can't be replicated,
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but I do think Ted Lasso season two is very good.
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- Oh, it's excellent.
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It's just not ever --
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Nothing is ever gonna be season one of "Ted Lasso," honestly.
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Like, it's kind of perfect in that way.
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-And I think "For All Mankind" --
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"For All Mankind" season two was better
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than "For All Mankind" season one, in my opinion.
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And so that's why I would push for that.
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-I agree. I agree. -Because they improved that show,
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even though it already started on an excellent footing.
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The problem with "Ted Lasso" is there was no improving on it.
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First season was perfect.
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you can't prove on that but they lived up to it about as good as possible.
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Favourite book category?
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Yay! It's my category.
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With 7% for Leviathan Falls by James S.A. Corey, 7% for The Anthropocene Reviewed by John Green,
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and 17.6% to Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir.
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I've read two of those.
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I'm gonna tell you seven things that I really enjoyed
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in books this year.
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I'm just doing a lot of sevens.
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This is kind of organic.
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I didn't choose a bunch of sevens,
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but that's how it ended up.
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So I guess I can hold sevens.
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- A lot of sevens for the eighth upgrade-ies.
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- A lot of thinking of holding seven things
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I love in my mind.
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So this, I looked on Goodreads
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because I do log the books I read.
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I only started doing that with movies this year,
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but I have been doing that with books for a while now.
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So you can check out my Goodreads, I guess,
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if you wanna see all the books that I read this year
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with their--
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- Check out my Goodreads, smash the bell button.
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- Smash the follow me on Goodreads button.
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Here, and I read,
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I think I read basically a novel a week this year.
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I think not at that pace 'cause vacations you read more
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and other times I read less,
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but I think I'm gonna finish the year at about 52 books.
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- That is obscene to me, in my brain, right?
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Like, look, I didn't read any books this year.
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- I know somebody who read 150, so, you know, but not me.
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So these are the seven that I wanted to mention.
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Piranesi is by the writer of Jonathan Strange
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and Mr. Norell, which was like a thousand page book
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that came out a decade ago.
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This is a short book.
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It was my favorite book of the year.
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It is weird, but delightful.
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and it gets more, it starts out real weird
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and then gets less weird as it goes in a good way
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where you start to kind of understand what you're seeing.
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But I think it's beautiful.
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It is about a person who lives in a giant building
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full of statues, classical statues,
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and the sea is coming in and there are birds.
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And they think that it's the entire world,
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but it's not.
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So it's amazing.
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It's so strange, but I loved it.
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Black Sun by Rebecca Roanhorse is a sort of Mesoamerican fantasy novel about like a...
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I don't... I mean there's like there's the Black Sun cult that's trying to overthrow the people who are the rulers and
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there's a kid who's supposedly the chosen one and they do terrible things to him, but he's brought to the...
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He's brought to the city by a pirate and there's a whole like human sacrifice that's gonna happen and it's...
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It's great. I loved it. That's first book in a trilogy. I can't wait for the second book to come out.
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I thought it was great. Becky Chambers wrote a book called The Galaxy and the Ground Within,
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which if I describe it to you, it will sound like the most boring book ever, because the plot is
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basically, there's a traffic delay, and so a bunch of aliens of different kinds are stuck on a planet
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for a while. That's the book. It's great. It's amazing. What do they do while they're stuck on
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on a planet. I don't know, you know, they interact, they talk with each other. It's
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great. I loved it. The Hidden Palace by my friend Helene Wecker is the sequel to her
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book The Golem and the Genie. Both of those books are great if you have not read them.
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They're set in New York in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when there were lots
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of immigrants pouring into New York City, including in this world. Part of the Jewish
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diaspora is a golem, a magical creature, and part of the Syrian diaspora is a genie. And
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they meet and then there are two books about that. I read an older book this year, but
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it took up a lot of time. It was Gnomon by Nick Harkaway. I gave it five stars, so I
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have to mention it. It's like a thousand page book. It's like five books in one. I felt like
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I accomplished something by reading it and I truly loved it. Just don't read it. Nobody should read
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it. That's my warning to you because almost nobody will like it, but I loved it. It's one of those
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things where I have to wave people off. They're like, "Oh, that sounds intriguing." It's like,
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"No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand how weird and complicated this book is, but if you
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do take up the challenge, you may be rewarded,
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or you may bail within the first like 40 pages of this book,
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but I loved it.
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Michael Lewis's nonfiction book,
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"The Premonition, a Pandemic Story,"
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just really well done, loved it.
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Not fiction, but nonfiction, it was good.
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And then I discovered a series
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that I read the entire series this year,
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"The Divine Cities Trilogy" by Robert Jackson Bennett.
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It's three books.
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It's a kind of urbanish fantasy series,
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and I read them all, I devoured them all,
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and I love that when I read a book
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and it's the first book in a series
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and I can't put it down
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because it means there's two more books
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that I can't put down,
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and all three of them are great.
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In fact, arguably the series gets better as it goes along,
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but the first one alone is "City of Stairs"
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is worth reading.
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So those are my seven reading picks for this year.
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What did you read this year, Myke?
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- I think I read something, but I don't remember what it was.
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It wasn't anything I enjoyed.
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Okay, so how do we do this?
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- You have to put the Upgrading Award winner,
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same as you do every year.
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- Okay, Piranesi is the winner.
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That was my favorite book of the year.
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I am going to put the Galaxy in the Ground Within
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as a runner up and we'll put, let's put Leviathan Falls,
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which I also really enjoyed and was an Upgrading pick
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as a runner up.
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- That's the last book in the Expanse series.
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It was a good ending to a very good nine book series.
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- So the Galaxy in the Ground of Inn and Leviathan Falls.
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- Are the runners up in this category.
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The Expanse is the TV show, right?
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I didn't know it was a book series.
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- Yeah, it's always, yeah, it's based on that series.
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And the series is finishing with book six,
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but there's also book seven, eight, nine.
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I don't know what they're doing about that, but this is book nine.
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Alright, we're now going to move into some hardware and technology focused categories.
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First is favorite Apple product.
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The Upgradians voted with 12.2% for the iPad mini, 12.7% for the MacBook Pro 16 inch and
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27.6% for the MacBook Pro 14 inch.
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that MacBook Pro splitting the vote there.
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It would have been a,
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we would have been able to get another one in this category
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if I were to put them together.
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But to me, they are incredibly different products.
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So I thought I would put them in there separately
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and that's how it ended up being.
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Jason, what is your favorite Apple product of the year?
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- Well, I hate to diverge from the upgradients here,
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but in my mind, the Apple product of the year
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is the 24 inch M1 iMac.
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When I saw this in your list, I was like,
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oh, that's interesting.
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I wouldn't have thought that that was where you
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were gonna go with this,
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but I actually kind of loved that you did.
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- Yeah, I just, I think the iMac, I love iMacs.
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I think they're important.
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I know that laptops get more consideration.
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I know that the MacBook Pro is a very important product
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because they made, you know, some amazing,
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good redesign decisions in terms of bringing back some ports, in terms of that screen,
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which is amazing, and of course in being the place where they've unveiled their pro-level
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processors for Apple Silicon. Absolutely, all those things are true. That said, I think
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the iMac getting a complete redesign for the first time in almost a decade and bringing
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in color and bringing that M1 power to the desktop and some of the interesting design
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decisions in terms of the magnet and the ethernet on the cable and all of those
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sort of things. I just... and the fact that, again, you can buy an orange or blue or
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whatever, iMac. This is favorite Apple product. Is it is it as powerful as the
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MacBook Pro? Of course not. It doesn't have as good a screen as the MacBook Pro. Of
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course it doesn't. And yet, it is my favorite. I love that they updated the
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iMac. I love that they did it the way they did it. I think they did a great job. I
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I think it's a beautiful product.
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And so that's my choice.
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That's my number one.
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- I mean, I love the machine I bought once.
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I love it so much I bought one.
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And I use it every day.
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It's what I use to record and edit my shows on.
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Like you, I think it was the perfect machine
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for what it is made for, and then some, right?
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Like it is the perfect machine for what it's made for.
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Oh, and also by the way, it's really powerful
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'cause it has an M1 chip in it.
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and they made it in colors and I have a yellow one.
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It's like so good.
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I really love that machine.
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I went with, and I echo you here, right?
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But I, for me personally, I put in the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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It's just an incredible computer.
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It's incredibly powerful, looks fantastic.
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Screen is amazing.
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They reverted a bunch of weird decisions.
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You know, they got rid of the touch bar,
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they kept touch ID, they brought some ports back,
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brought back MagSafe.
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Just a great machine all around.
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It looks great.
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I love the look of it just in general.
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The hardware design of it is great.
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I wished it was a little lighter.
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I wished it was a little thinner, but not so much that it would change my opinion about
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this machine.
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And I also love the iPad mini.
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I think the new iPad mini is the best iPad for content consumption that Apple has ever
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I think that it is perfectly sized.
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It looks fantastic.
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It's got all of the right features that you would want
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out of an iPad for watching video, reading stuff,
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like communication and that kind of stuff.
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So these two machines, the MacBook Pro and the iPad mini,
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they've been really great for me this year.
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- What are we gonna do?
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- So, I mean, so obviously I and the Upgradians
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vote the same. - It's true.
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- But I also really love yours.
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- You can have it.
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I mean, I can be outvoted here
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unless you're willing to flip over to my side here,
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but it's a great choice.
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I mean, the 14-inch MacBook Pro is a great choice.
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It is a milestone in the comeback of the Mac
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after kind of five years in the Doldrums.
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- I would really love to give it to the M1 iMac,
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but honestly, I feel like it would be doing a disservice
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to the MacBook Pro,
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which I think actually really deserves to win this.
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- All right, so let's make it the winner,
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and let's make the 24-inch iMac and the iPad mini
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the runners up.
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- Yeah, I love that. - Because I agree with you
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about the iPad mini, it's great.
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- Man, when I looked at this list,
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someone mentioned to me that I forgot to put
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the Apple remote on this list,
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which sure, I did forget to put that on this list.
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- I've got it covered in another category yet to come.
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- But I don't think it was gonna win this list.
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- No. - It's fantastic, right?
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But just in general, when I was putting this whole,
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selection together. It has been a super good year for Apple products. In a year that had
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I think a very good iPhone that didn't even rank in that top three. Makes sense.
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You didn't even mention them.
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No, didn't mention, didn't need to. Because everything else has been so excellent as well.
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It's made it even harder for the general good products to even come near to them. So, a
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great year. Now we're going to do the best non-Apple product of the year. The Upgrading
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voted with 3.1% for the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 3, which I was like super happy to see. I agree,
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great product, but I was not expecting it to see in this list. The Google Pixel 6 Pro at 3.5%
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and the Nintendo Switch OLED at 9.7%. I didn't put in, I mean, I guess I could put the Oculus
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Quest 2, but it really did come out last year and I got it last year at the end of the year and I've
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I've enjoyed it, but I'm not gonna put it on the list.
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The product I'm going to put on this list
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in terms of hardware,
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this is the year that I switched from Kindle to Kobo.
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I bought a Kobo Libra, they came out with the Kobo Libra 2,
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I'm using that now.
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It is, for my money, the best balance of features
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in an e-reader and price in an e-reader.
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It's got physical page turn buttons,
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but it's way cheaper than Amazon's high-end Kindle,
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which is the only one that's got physical page turn buttons.
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The ergonomics are good.
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The screen is great.
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It's waterproof.
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And Kobo is not Amazon,
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which I kind of like not being,
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not using that product from Amazon and using an alternative.
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So Kobo Libre 2 is my nominee in this category.
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- Mine is the Nintendo Switch OLED.
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- Yeah. - It's really nice.
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I wasn't gonna buy one.
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I bought one for Adina and then bought one for myself
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because it is so much better than the original Switch.
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It makes you wanna play games more in handheld.
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It looks so good.
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It really does look so good.
01:37:44
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- Okay, well, I mean, you and the Upgradients agree,
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and I usually defer to you
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and the Upgradients in this category.
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So let's make that, the Nintendo Switch OLED, the winner.
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I would like my Kobo to be a runner up.
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And then what do you think?
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You can pick a runner up.
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You and I only mentioned one product each,
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So what else could we throw in there?
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- I mean, I do think that the Google Pixel 6 Pro
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seemed to be a pretty good device
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that a lot of people were really happy about.
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It's like if we were gonna go back to the Upgradients,
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I would be happy to go with that.
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- So congratulations, Nintendo.
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Now we mentioned earlier about categories
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that maybe people wouldn't wanna win awards in,
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and this is the first of those.
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This is for the worst gadget
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or most disappointing technology of the year.
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Upgradients voted thusly, the Apple Watch Series 7 with 3.4%.
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I was really surprised about this.
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I mean, I was someone who said like,
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"I've really wanted a new design for the Apple Watch."
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And was disappointed by that.
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But this Apple Watch is a very good Apple Watch.
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Like last year's Apple Watch,
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I could understand in this category.
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But this year's Apple Watch, I don't know so much.
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I think the screen changes are really good.
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8.3% is meta/facebook.
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So here's the thing with this,
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people put all kinds of Facebook things in every year,
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I just group them all together.
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So because I don't really know how to,
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some people just say Facebook, everything Facebook does.
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Some people didn't like the name change.
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I'm not really sure why people are disappointed.
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Like surely you know Facebook, right?
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You know what they're gonna be.
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Like who's disappointed, you know?
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It's like, anyway, 8.3% for meta and Facebook
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8.8% for NFTs. Let your hate flow through you. Yeah I gotta say
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Upgradients next year I want a little bit more from you in this category. Okay I
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want to I want to get some some I don't know I feel like there could be more
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originality in this. Yeah I got some originality for you Myke. I'm excited for
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it I saw this in there and I like I know it's gonna be a story. Mm-hmm my nominee
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for worst gadget is the Breville Jewel sous vide machine. The wire cutter choice,
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although I will point out since retracted, for best sous vide machine. I
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have a sous vide from ANOVA. Anova, that's what I have too. And it's good but
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it's an early model and it's kind of on its last legs. It's making weird noises.
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is I'm sure it's gonna fail pretty soon.
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So I've been looking at replacing it,
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but I've also, that was, I took it in a classic Jason move
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and I know we've talked about this before.
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I took a flyer on it and was like,
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and then you use it for a while and then you're like,
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well, now I have opinions about this product category.
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When the first time you buy something,
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it's the thing where you end up having to buy two
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'cause you buy one and you kind of cheap out and you get it
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and then you have opinions and you're like,
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oh, now I like this, I have to buy the expensive one.
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So I'm in the market for a new sous vide cooker.
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I found them, not only do I cook with them,
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I thaw stuff with them, it's great.
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And I'm a big believer,
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if you don't have an immersion cooker,
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you don't need to buy fancy materials.
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You can use like a Ziploc bag
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or buy some silicone zip-top bags that are reusable.
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And you don't have to like have one of those vacuum sealers
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if you don't want to, but it is great for cooking stuff.
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it cooks meat perfectly and it thaws stuff, it's great.
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So I look at the wire cutter choices and they're like,
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"Well, there is the ANOVA model."
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And there are a couple of them.
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There's a small one and a big one and all that.
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And then there's Breville.
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I'm like, "Breville, I love Breville stuff.
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I have a Breville T-robot.
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Our kettle, our electric kettle is also a Breville.
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I love their stuff.
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It's really good.
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They make really good stuff.
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And when my T-robot broke, they took it in
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and they either fixed it or just sent me a new one,
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but like their service is great.
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So I thought, all right, I'm gonna take a flyer on this,
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the Breville Jewel.
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Here's the thing about the Breville Jewel.
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And I think that it is painting a picture
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about all the ways that technology is bad today.
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It has no controls.
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It has no controls.
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If you would like to turn it on,
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if you would like to set the temperature,
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you know what you gotta do?
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You gotta use an app.
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You gotta pair to it with Bluetooth.
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You gotta use their app.
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So yeah, you're in the kitchen,
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you just put the chicken in a bag
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and you're putting it in the thing
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and you need to set the temperature to sous vide this thing
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and you get the chickeny hands
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and you're like, oh, okay, well now I need to wash my hands
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and dry them off and then unlock my iPhone
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and then adjust it and then, you know,
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in order to put in the right temperature
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and then set it and all that.
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You know what the ANOVA that I have has on it?
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It's got a wheel.
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It's got a wheel you spin to set the temperature right
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and a button you press to say go.
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And a little screen that tells you what the temperature is
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and what the target temperature is.
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And I could extend this to cars that over touch screen.
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There are lots of other devices that do this.
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People, controlling it via app is a nice bonus,
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but if the only way you can control a product
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is through an app, you failed.
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Your hardware is a failure.
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You can't, I know we all have smartphones,
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so you can abandon all attempts to put any controls anywhere
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except in a smartphone app.
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I know you can do it, but you shouldn't.
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Don't do it because Breville, a company that I really like,
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made a very well-reviewed sous vide cooker
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that is ergonomically got a lot going for it
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in terms of its size and the way it attaches,
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and it looks nice.
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All of these things are fine.
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And then they decided what we won't do
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is put any buttons on it.
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It's like that iPod shuffle, basically.
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No controls, who needs physical controls?
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- Hey, Breville, cook the-
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- Well, the reason I took a flyer on it is I thought,
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Well, at least I could do, it has Alexa integration
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and I have an Echo in my kitchen.
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So if what I can say is,
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"Hey lady, set the sous vide cooker to 145 degrees."
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But of course it uses a skill
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and this falls into that whole problem
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that Alexa skills have where
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if you get beyond what Amazon provides,
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it gets really weird, really fast.
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So you have to phrase it a certain way.
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And I realized that while I might eventually internalize
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this very specific way of phrasing it.
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- I talked to Lauren about it and she's like,
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"I'm not ever gonna say that."
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- Because it would be like,
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"Hey, Alexa, tell Breville to blah, blah, blah, blah."
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Like I don't like that. - Yeah, tell Breville Jewel
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to set the temperature to,
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it's like you're writing code with your voice.
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- You're doing IFTTT, but--
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- Yeah, and so again, if it was,
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if it was, "Hey lady, set the sous vide to 120 degrees
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and turn it on," it would be maybe arguably usable.
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I would say still not, but closer.
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But even that is a disaster
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because of the way Amazon handles skills.
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'Cause the skills are, some skills are good,
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most of them are jokes.
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So in the end, this went back to Amazon where I bought it.
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and I got my money back because as nice as that hardware was,
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they abandoned all user interface for their crappy app.
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Also the app, crappy.
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The pairing experience of the Breville app, crappy.
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So a company that has taken pride in making good hardware
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ends up making a product with a terrible experience
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because they don't care about the software,
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even though the software is the entire experience.
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So that's my story.
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My worst gadget experience of the entire year was the stupid Breville jewel, which is bad
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and nobody should buy one.
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Until they put a button and a dial on it so you can change the temperature by touching
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Yeah, so like, I have an ANOVA and something happened and it was struggling to pair with
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the app, like after getting a new phone, I don't know why, but I just stopped caring
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about it and just used the controls.
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My Anova Sous Vide is not the, it's old enough that it doesn't do Wi-Fi, it only does Bluetooth.
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But I connected it and I put it in and I connected it via Bluetooth. And at some point it stopped
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working and that was fine because I didn't care because I never used the Bluetooth. I
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don't care. I get that if it's on Wi-Fi, if you're like leaving it unattended and you
01:46:52
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need to check on it or you want to time it up, like there are reasons. I don't do any
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I'm going for AppleCare+ as my most...
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My biggest disappointment in tech-- personal disappointment in technology this year.
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I have a really, really scratched up iPhone,
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and I was like, "Well, this iPhone's got a bunch of cracks in it or whatever they look like cracks to me."
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I took it to the Apple Store, and they wouldn't replace it.
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They told me that they don't make replacements.
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They only make replacements for cracks, and these technically are scratches,
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which isn't the same thing and that that's the end of that.
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And I'm not going to they and they weren't going to replace my screen,
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even though I have AppleCare Plus and I would happily pay
01:47:37
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the the little fee that you have to play for a screen replacement.
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I was told by the genius in the Apple store
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that they would not do my replacement for me.
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They told me that it was just cosmetic.
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AppleCare doesn't cover cosmetic damage, even though
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I have found a thing which kind of says that it does.
01:47:59
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But nevertheless, they told me I should have read the terms
01:48:03
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and conditions and told me that if I now broke the screen,
01:48:05
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they would know that because they told me not to.
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So I have had a really, really scratched up screen
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for a few months.
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I am planning to deal with this somehow, some way.
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I don't know how, but I just couldn't believe it.
01:48:19
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The amount of money that I have paid for Apple
01:48:21
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Care over the years, I've never done any kind of replacement.
01:48:24
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And this is my first one.
01:48:26
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And I was just really frustrated by the whole experience.
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And so for me, it's just such a disappointment,
01:48:31
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like to the point that I don't think I'm gonna get Apple Care
01:48:33
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on my iPhones anymore, because I feel like I'm better
01:48:37
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just saving the money.
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And if I break my iPhone, buy a new iPhone.
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I'll get it, I'll just get it repaired.
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- Just pay for it to be fixed.
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- For the cost of what it would be for Apple Care.
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So it was a very, very frustrating,
01:48:50
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very, very disappointing experience for me.
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- I don't know how to award this one.
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What are you thinking we should do here for what is the worst or most disappointing technology
01:49:04
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of the year?
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Well, I like mine because it is a gadget.
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It is the worst.
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We can go with the Breville jewel as the worst gadget.
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Take that Breville.
01:49:17
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And Wirecutter, I guess.
01:49:18
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Yeah, and well, yeah, it's funny.
01:49:22
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The guy is very nice, but there's a guy who writes for Wirecutter who is the co-buyline
01:49:26
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on that and also wrote the iPad cases story that basically says it's fine to put your
01:49:30
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iPad in a big thick case and use a kickstand.
01:49:35
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And I basically said on Twitter, "No, that's terrible."
01:49:39
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And his response was very polite.
01:49:41
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He's a very nice fellow.
01:49:42
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But then I find that his buylines on this story too, and I'm like, "I don't even know
01:49:45
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what to tell you.
01:49:46
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You're a very nice guy, but also a monster."
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I don't know.
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I don't know what to say.
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found the one human on the planet that has the exact opposite taste?
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It's my nemesis. Yeah, it's my nemesis, I guess. To be fair, the way the Wirecutter
01:50:00
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pick reads for the Breville is the reason it's not our number one pick is because it
01:50:05
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requires an app. But they like the app. But they do like the app. They say the app is
01:50:09
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nice. It's not nice. Maybe by the standards of terrible apps that you use when you're
01:50:16
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you're testing products, it's not that bad.
01:50:18
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- Yeah, I mean, I can imagine wire cutter editors
01:50:21
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see the worst apps, right?
01:50:23
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- I would imagine so, but I just, I can't,
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my hope is that Breville doesn't look at that and say,
01:50:28
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oh, look, they picked us.
01:50:29
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My hope is that Breville looks at that and says, wow,
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we would have been the wire cutter pick
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if we put a temperature control on the top
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of our sous vide cooker, like every other sous vide cooker.
01:50:38
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But we'll see.
01:50:38
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So yes, let's make that the worst gadget.
01:50:40
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And then I'm fine with AppleCare+ being a runner up
01:50:42
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and let's make NFTs a runner up.
01:50:44
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Let's do that.
01:50:45
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Why not? Let's celebrate in a way the NFT.
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2021 in a nutshell.
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And we go back to good with the most life-changing hardware of the year. The Upgradients voted
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with 4.5% for the M1 iPad Pro, which I was just surprised about, I think. I wasn't expecting
01:51:04
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to see that in there. My expectation is a bunch of people bought an iPad Pro, didn't
01:51:07
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have one before. And once you get your first iPad Pro, yeah, it will change you because
01:51:11
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this is a super great product.
01:51:12
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6.2% for the Apple Watch, clearly not the same people
01:51:16
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who found it the most disappointing technology of the year.
01:51:19
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And 7.6% for the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
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- Which I get that, I totally get that.
01:51:25
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- I'll say for every reason that I spoke about earlier,
01:51:27
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the 14 inch MacBook Pro is my pick here.
01:51:31
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Like in a year where I have come back to the Mac
01:51:35
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in a quite significant way,
01:51:37
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this machine is just pushing it further and further
01:51:39
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where I love using this computer so much,
01:51:41
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I want it to be my main computer all the time
01:51:43
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because it's so great to use.
01:51:45
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I always come back to your incredible line
01:51:49
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from your review, it's a Mac Pro in my backpack
01:51:52
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and I just think it's incredible.
01:51:55
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I love the power of this thing.
01:51:57
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- So let me tell you what I bought this year, Myke.
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I bought a new receiver for my home theater.
01:52:10
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I cut the cord and replaced cable with fiber
01:52:15
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and replaced my TV service
01:52:20
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with an over the top streaming service.
01:52:22
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I made all sorts of,
01:52:25
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I pulled the Logitech infrared remote thing
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out of my living room.
01:52:29
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I overhauled my entire TV viewing experience
01:52:35
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in my living room this year,
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all because of the Apple TV remote.
01:52:41
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All because of the Apple TV remote.
01:52:43
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Because I got that Apple TV remote
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and it has that power button on it
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and it has this whole thing about like,
01:52:49
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I'm gonna turn on your TV
01:52:50
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and the TV's gonna turn on the right inputs
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and it's all gonna work.
01:52:54
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And you know what?
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It almost did,
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but I had to replace some hardware and make some changes.
01:52:59
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But now we're at the end of the year
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and has my life changed?
01:53:02
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It has, because we no longer have five remotes.
01:53:05
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We have a remote to control all our TV entertainment.
01:53:10
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And it's the Apple TV remote
01:53:12
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because Apple TV now has our television on it.
01:53:14
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We don't have TiVo anymore.
01:53:15
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And I've got a receiver that does all of the ARC
01:53:19
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and CEC stuff so that when I press the button,
01:53:23
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it turns on the Apple TV, it turns on the television,
01:53:25
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it turns on the receiver, everything just works.
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When I press the button to turn it off, everything turns off.
01:53:31
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It is amazing.
01:53:33
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And I required some changes
01:53:34
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and I need to spend some money,
01:53:36
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but I just wanna point out,
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it all was prompted by that new Apple TV remote
01:53:41
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that is not the Siri remote.
01:53:43
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And I don't know what's more life-changing than that.
01:53:46
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- I love that remote.
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It's so good.
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I would be very happy to give it the win.
01:53:51
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- MacBook Pro already won one.
01:53:54
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- That's why I think it.
01:53:56
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- I love what it says about our choice
01:53:58
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for most life-changing hardware
01:54:00
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being the new Apple TV remote too also.
01:54:02
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It's like, yeah, take that old Apple TV remote.
01:54:04
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- Well, it's super good.
01:54:06
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I think I said this somewhere recently.
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My favorite thing about this remote
01:54:10
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is I never have to think about the remote anymore.
01:54:13
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I spent a lot of time thinking about my remote control,
01:54:17
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right, like when I had the old Apple TV remote,
01:54:21
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like where is it?
01:54:22
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How am I holding it?
01:54:23
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Am I touching the right place on this thing?
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Like all that kind of stuff.
01:54:27
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And with this Apple TV remote,
01:54:28
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I just get to use it like a remote and it's great.
01:54:31
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And so, works really good for me.
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I'm very, very, very happy with it as a product.
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As when it comes to a second runner up,
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I don't really have one.
01:54:42
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And I don't like the, to me, like Apple Watch and iPad Pro,
01:54:46
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I don't know about those ones.
01:54:47
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I mean, I get that people are feeling it, but it doesn't.
01:54:50
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- I'm gonna make a suggestion, which is the iMac,
01:54:55
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because I know you did a lot of stuff in your life
01:55:00
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because of that iMac.
01:55:01
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I will say that, but I actually wanna make a,
01:55:03
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I wanna rescind something here and just say,
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I can't believe I kind of did this.
01:55:07
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The Apple Watch has made one of the biggest changes
01:55:09
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to my life in the last 12 months,
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which is around health and fitness.
01:55:12
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- Let's do that then, because I constantly
01:55:15
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am changing my behavior based on the Apple Watch
01:55:18
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and integrating it into my life.
01:55:20
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And as I mentioned earlier, being able to go for a run on,
01:55:23
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I often am running on Wednesdays when Connected is on,
01:55:28
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and I am literally just running with Apple Watch and AirPods
01:55:32
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listening to the live stream via broadcast over cellular.
01:55:36
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And I had those moments of like,
01:55:38
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I cannot believe this is actually working and it does.
01:55:40
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- I would like to lodge a side complaint though.
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when you move across time zones
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when it comes to the activity app.
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- Ah, does it move your ring day things?
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- No, that's the problem, it doesn't, it doesn't move it.
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So I lost a really long move day streak because I was only awake,
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like only awake for a few hours because of a flight that came in.
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And it was really frustrating to me and I think that they should do a better job
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of recalculating it. Um, you know, like one of the things I loved,
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"Pedometer++" by _DavidSmith recalculated, right?
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Based upon the actual time zone of where I was and Apple didn't,
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doesn't do that. And I find that really, really frustrating, you know,
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like I'm flying from the west coast of America to home,
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I just don't have enough time in the day
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to actually get the rings closed anymore.
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And if they did the recalculation, I would have done it
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because it was already like the next day in the UK
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and I'm still moving around inside of the airport.
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And I just find that stuff really frustrating.
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I mean, and as Beaks is saying in the chat,
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I will also just tack this one on.
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The fact that Apple doesn't allow any kind of rest days
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is bananas, like still that they don't incorporate
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Any kind of rest days into streaks is really, really weird
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up until this point that that's still the case.
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It actually honestly feels unhealthy for them to insist
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that you must be exercising every single day.
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That actually doesn't feel like the right thing to do.
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- I agree, actually that is, I'll say that,
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not just skipping, but target.
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In fact, a lot of the guidelines talk about exercising
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three or four times a week.
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So if you exercise three or four times a week,
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you should be given credit as exercising that week.
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But a lot of Apple's approach is basically like,
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gotta crush it every day.
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- Oh, it's like, oh, you've got COVID, doesn't matter.
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Keep working out. - Crush it every day.
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- Like, you know, like, what do you want from me, Tim?
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- Taking a flight, you have a sick day,
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you're taking a flight, whatever, like, no, crush it.
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- Doesn't matter, run up and down on the plane.
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Come on, what's wrong with you?
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- Yeah, that's right.
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So our favorite tech story of the year, the upgradians, they're just never going
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to quit it 9.2% for the MacBook pro just in general, then another 9.2% for the M1
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Pro and M1 Max chips. Wow. And then 10.8% for App Store Regulation.
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I would like to nominate a story. This was my favorite tech story of the year. Is it? It's sort
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of a tech story. Close enough anyway because I think it says something also about the value of
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objects and NFTs and things like that. Yeah. It is a sort of an art collective called Mischief
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and they bought an Andy Warhol print from 1954 called "Fairys"
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and then what they did is they built a machine to make, it's a sketch, they built a machine
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to sketch on paper with identical strokes as the Warhol. And then they made--and they, like,
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weathered the paper. And they said basically their goal was to make it so you couldn't tell
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a difference between the real one, which they owned, and the fakes. So they made 999 of them?
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and mixed in the real one, destroyed they say, all evidence that would indicate
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which one was the real one, and then sold them all for $250 each. So if
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If they bought it for about $20,000,
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they then sold them for perhaps $250,000.
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So they made an enormous profit.
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But what I also love about this is just the idea
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that they've essentially created,
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by eliminating the originality of it
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and making a bunch of identical copies
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and mixing in the real one,
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a whole bunch of people for $250
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could buy a one in a thousand chance
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that theirs is the original,
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but no one will ever know.
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So it's almost like they own the original
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or part of the original, but nobody ever knows.
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And I just, this was my favorite tech story of the year
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because it so interacts with the idea
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of what originals are and what their value of art is
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and everything that's come up
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with the whole NFT story this year,
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the idea that they transformed this art by buying it,
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copying it, and then losing it essentially
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so that you can't tell the difference between the real
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and the quote unquote fakes.
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They're all fakes, even the real one,
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but they're also all real, even the fake ones.
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So anyway, that's my favorite text of the year.
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- I hadn't heard of this until I saw it in our notes.
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I think I saw it clever.
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I know they do loads of wild stuff
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and this is just not one of those wild things.
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- I've gone in two directions.
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I've gone with like, you're doing,
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the basically the two ways you can go with this.
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You can either choose a specific story or an overall story.
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And I'd leave it blank and just let people choose what they want.
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My favorite article that I read this year was by Lauren Goode at Wired.
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Lauren wrote just an incredible, heartbreaking, fascinating article
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about memories in photos that really helped crystallize something that I
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was feeling a lot and just did it in a better way than I ever could have.
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and why this technology, whilst it can be great,
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can also be very upsetting,
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and why I have hoped that Apple would do more,
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and they've done a little bit more,
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but nowhere near enough in allowing for people
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to control the things that they are being
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constantly reminded about on their devices.
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It was just an incredible thing that Lauren wrote,
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and just like a real amazing thing to have written
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and to share something so painful with us
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in a way that really helps highlight the issue. So it's just a great article.
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And then some of my favorite trends of the year and stories. One is Apple Silicon, like
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the upgradients, just the way that that has continued to be such a fascinating story and
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is only continuing to get more interesting and allow for even more speculation. It's
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been great. It's been a great time this past year to talk about the stuff on this show
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Joe and others, like, you know, it is one of the rare things where we have wild dreams,
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they are exceeded, and then we get to have even more wild dreams and see if they'll be
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exceeded. It's like, it's great. This kind of stuff doesn't happen very much. And then
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the other is app store regulation, just in general. It's been another thing that we've
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spoken about a ton. I like talking about it. I do not feel as satisfied from this as I
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do about Apple Silicon and the way that that's been going over the last year. I think that
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that I hope there's going to be more results from this stuff,
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but currently it seems like the courts
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aren't going to be the way that it's done.
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-So, what do you think?
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-I don't know.
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I'm kind of tempted to split the difference
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and go with the upgrading pick of the App Store regulation.
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Apple Silicon was the story of the year last year, by the way.
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-The story continues, obviously.
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-But I think maybe going with that,
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because we talked about that a lot on upgrade.
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I think that's a pretty good general topic
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and then maybe our links are the runners up.
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- Yeah, I like that.
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That makes a lot of sense 'cause that's,
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I think it's difficult like,
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because we both brought like a thing
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that we both personally thought was really interesting,
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like picking one of those is really hard,
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but you know, you can look at the content of the show.
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We like talking about App Store regulation stuff.
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It's an interesting thing to talk about.
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- Favorite tech screw up of the year?
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The upgradings voted at 6.6% for App Store regulation.
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At 8% for Apple's CSAM announcement,
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the child's sexual abuse material announcement.
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And 30.5% for meta/Facebook.
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- Does walking screw up?
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I guess that's the name maybe,
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the naming is what they mean there.
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- Well, yes and no.
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Again, I lumped these together
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because it didn't really make sense to me otherwise.
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Some people it was the naming
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and some people just write Facebook,
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which again, upgrade ends,
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please feel free to vote whoever you want.
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But if Myke Hurley can help steer you,
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be more expressive about what you're,
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like there are so many people
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that just write the word Facebook.
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And it's like, look, I understand you don't like Facebook.
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I get it, right?
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But give me more than that, you know?
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'Cause if everybody just said
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the meta Facebook rebranding, fine.
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I don't know, I don't think that was a screw up at all.
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I actually think it was quite a smart move.
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I'm not really sure what the screw up is.
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Maybe people don't like the name, I don't know,
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but I think it makes sense.
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Anyway, it's not worth getting into now.
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It's obvious what the winner of this year is, right, Jason?
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- I think by a claim from you and me,
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the rollout of Apple's child safety features
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and the CSAM in particular, but really the whole thing,
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'cause it also encompasses the fact
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that they rolled out a bunch of stuff
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that was sort of interrelated
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and it caused certain features
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to get attached to other features
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in ways that just made the whole thing explode.
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And then Apple had to do its damage control,
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where there was like an announcement
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and then there was like a leaked mention,
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and then there was another announcement,
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and then there was another,
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like so many repeated damage control cycles had to happen.
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And then they pulled the features back and said,
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"Based on feedback, we're going to release these
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at a later time."
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And some of them have been released since recently,
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Others remain unreleased and perhaps,
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perhaps will never be released in the form
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that they were announced in.
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So this was a bunch of stuff that made, you know,
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people upset that called into question
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some of Apple's choices.
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Apple, as we talked about on the show,
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Apple very much released it like we are so awesome.
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Technically we have done an amazing thing
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and everybody said, what are you doing?
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This is terrible.
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So badly communicated and some questionable technology decisions, and it all kind of fell apart.
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So what an amazing tech screw-up it was from Apple this year.
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Yeah, this was a big one, honestly, on the level that they usually don't do.
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Like, this was just like, every part of it was bad. Like, the way it was announced was terrible.
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the way that they had to retract everything was terrible. The way that it was like, "Oh no,
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we were just seeing what people thought about it." Like some of the wording you'd see in some press
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outlets is like, "No, this is... you messed up big time." And it was again, as we talked about it on
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the show, if they were just more open, it wouldn't have happened this way. If they engaged with
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people more rather than just, as you say, I think you said at the time, coming down from the mountain
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in with the stone tablets of like, this is completed,
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we're getting ready to ship this.
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- And we've reinvented it.
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Everybody else has got a different take on this,
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but we have reinvented it and now it's gonna be great.
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And everybody said, oh, we have all these problems
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with how you reinvented it.
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That maybe we could have had that conversation
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out in public when you were talking about it,
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but instead you came down from the mountain and yeah.
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This is, and there's some conversation
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in the members discord about,
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is this a PR problem or a tech problem?
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I think it is absolutely both.
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I think that whoever decided to conflate all of these features,
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and maybe they were conflated by engineering or somebody on the technical side,
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and so it was just rolled out to PR and they had to do it this way,
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but nobody at any point said,
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"This is too many things that are not entirely interrelated,
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and they're all going to be connected by the public when we announce it in ways that might..."
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You know, somebody could have said, "No, no, no, let's roll these out separately."
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And they just said, "No, we're going to make a big blast here about safety and protection."
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And it hurt them by doing that.
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And then it's also a technical thing,
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because that choice of how they did the CSAM detection
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on device, which you can listen to our episode about it,
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we talked about it in detail,
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they did something for what they thought
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were the right reasons,
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but were not perceived that way by the public.
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And it's one of those things
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where they were reinventing the wheel,
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they were creating something new
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that they thought was superior,
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and it might be superior once you dig in, it might not be.
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- And I also said there's the argument
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that I think still remains is,
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Also, they chose a path which was like the least resistance
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for them because then if they put it on the phones,
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they didn't have to do the scanning at scale
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in their data centers.
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- Exactly. - Right.
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- They can use your power on your device to do it.
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- And at the same time,
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potentially changing the security of your device,
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depending on who you talk to, right?
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And it's like, I don't know if this is the right--
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- Yeah, and I think they, as we said at the time,
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I think for me, my best guess is they,
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from a very technical perspective, we're thinking,
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what we're doing is we're stopping you at the door
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on your way out to iCloud and doing a scan then.
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And by doing this, we're protecting your privacy
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because we're not scanning you out in the cloud,
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nor are we scanning you on your device,
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we're scanning you at the doorway on the way out.
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Unfortunately, that is a really nuanced idea
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that I think if you aren't spending all your time
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thinking of how Apple software is architected,
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you end up boiling it down to the essentials,
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which is, oh, my device is looking at all my pictures,
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which it's not quite, but sort of,
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and again, this is why it was a screw up.
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So easy one for us, the biggest tech screw up of the year
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was Apple CSAM announcement,
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and we'll put Meta and Facebook in,
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and also App Store regulation as the runners up
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in that category.
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Congratulations everyone.
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Yeah, great.
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So our final three categories of the night are our podcast related categories.
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And the favorite tech podcast award has a lifetime achievement award winner,
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which is the accidental tech podcast, which won three years in a row, I believe,
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and picked up its lifetime achievement award.
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The Upgradians voted for the following a 5.6% with dithering, 18.8% with upgrade.
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We'll come back to that in a minute.
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And 29.5% for connected.
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So those last two on relay FM there.
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I just wanna say again,
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obviously 100% of Upgradians would vote for upgrade,
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but most of them just feel like they can't.
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I feel like I just need to say that every time
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'cause it's obviously the way it goes, right Jason?
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- Every single time we find
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that Upgrading's second favorite podcast is upgrade.
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- Stop that.
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That's not, no, that's not how, we are number one.
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And then they just vote for us
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because they feel like they can't, I don't know.
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I have one that I wanna, I usually don't have,
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most years I do not have a show for this.
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But one I just wanted to say is Mac Power Users.
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I, as I mentioned earlier, I have been really getting
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into the Mac more this year, so the show has become
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even more useful to me.
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Like, because Mac Power Users focuses on a bunch of stuff,
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right, like I really love the episode they just did
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last week about the studio set ups.
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And those are the episodes I would always listen to, like without fail, but I would pick and choose some because
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they did a lot of obviously Mac focused shows and I just wasn't really so Mac focused.
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I have become much more Mac focused so I'm listening to the show more and more and more than I ever have in years.
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And Stephen and David, they are really good together.
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They are a very good pair, they do a great job, their interviews are really good, they get some wild guests.
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had someone from Pixar on the show, it was like fascinating stuff. Yeah, they do a really
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great job of Mac Power Users and I just wanted to recognize that.
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I agree, I like that show a lot. I think that they had to figure out what they were doing
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when the host change happened, when Steven came in, and I think that they have successfully
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kept the show going, and that's not a given. That was a hard job that the two of them had
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to do. A long-running show with the two hosts, and then one of the hosts leaves, like, that
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is not a given that that show can continue to exist.
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- Usually that would kill a podcast,
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and the two of them are only getting to new heights together.
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It's just a super great testament.
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- My favorite tech podcast is probably "Connected."
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- That's very sweet of you to say, thank you.
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- Which is why apparently I then conspire to possess it
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'cause you gotta kill the things you love.
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- I like app stories, I like under the radar,
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I like automators, which I think we maybe gave an award to.
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And I wanna do one more shout out to The Rebound,
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which is Lex Friedman and John Moltz and Dan Morin.
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It is like, imagine if you will,
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a kind of alternate universe version of connected.
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I know that's hard to do,
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but The Rebound is kind of like that.
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- Imagine an alternate universe of connected,
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- Not that one is the rebound.
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- Not that one, it's the other one.
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It's the rebound and James Thompson is on there sometimes
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and Guy English is on there sometimes.
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And it is a, but it is like,
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the rebound is like connected in that
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it's a tech podcast with three guys
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and it's kinda about the jokes.
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It's very funny, funny podcast.
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So I wanna recommend that.
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I'd be okay giving this to MPU
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with upgrade and connected as the runners up,
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always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
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- I'm totally up with that.
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Let's do it.
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- Let's do it. - Mac Power Users
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is our favorite technology podcast of the year.
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Because look, it is very rare when me and Jason
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both bring something to this category where they match.
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So I think it's good to honor that.
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- Yeah, it's a good one.
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- Connected did win this multiple years ago.
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Otherwise, it's basically a runner up every single year.
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- But you know, I don't really like giving awards to myself.
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So I wanna win them.
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I don't wanna be the one that gives the podcast award.
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- Yeah, one of these days we should just give upgrade
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the winner, I think if, well, I should, should I say this?
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- No, you shouldn't say it, but everybody knows
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what you're about to say, we don't actually say it
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and I agree with you and then we move on
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to our favorite non-tech podcast,
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the Lifetime Achievement Award winner being the Flop House.
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The Flop House, I think if I remember rightly,
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the Flop House and ATP, yeah, they both,
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in the first three years won each year
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And so we created the Lifetime Achievement Award for them primarily,
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because otherwise they would probably win most years, so we wanted to change that up.
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And the Upgradients voted thusly.
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2.9% for Dubai Friday, 5.9% for Cortex, and 5.7% for Reconcilable Differences.
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This is always a really interesting category to me because it's one of the closest.
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'cause everybody listens to lots of different podcasts.
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And that's, you know, so there's a lot,
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a lot, a lot of votes for this.
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Reconcilable Differences won last year.
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Just as a note. - It did.
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That's about right.
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It's a great podcast, I like it a lot.
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Nominations I brought to the table this time,
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For All Mankind, official podcast from Apple.
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The Foundation, official podcast from Apple.
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- Wow, look at you. - They did a good job
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with that. - Fanboy.
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- Yeah, sure.
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Well, I could counter that and say,
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the Foundation official podcast
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in which the creator of the show
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sometimes needed to explain what was happening in his show.
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Anyway, a perennial for me is the Paz cast
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with Joe Posnanski and Michael Schur
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where they draft things and talk about sports.
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Now on its fifth home, I think,
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but still releasing podcasts.
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And I'll throw in Rektif Sand Cortex
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Those are both shows that I don't listen to every episode,
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but I do listen to a lot.
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- I appreciate that.
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"Cortex," one of the only shows that appears
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in both of the categories.
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Nobody ever knows where to vote for it,
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which personally I see as a great victory of my own,
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that nobody's really sure.
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What kind of podcast is this?
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And my answer is yes.
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I will say for Wrecked Ifs, it is just a truly fantastic show.
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And I'm halfway through the most recent episode.
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Oh, the refrigerator.
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I've got that at the top of my queue.
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I haven't listened yet.
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I'm already feeling like this is going to be another classic.
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I'm like a third of the way through the episode.
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I wanted to make my nomination for Talking Sopranos.
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I think last year I spoke about,
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I think last year I spoke about the West Wing Weekly
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as one of my favorite shows
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'cause I would just finish watching the West Wing.
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Talking Sopranos is like this.
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It is two of, well actually more than if anything,
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two of the, Steve Schrepper who played Bobby
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and Michael Imperioli who played Chrissy, Christopher.
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They started the show in March of 2020, so it was a pandemic project for them,
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because they had a touring show where they would do stories about the Sopranos,
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and they, this week, completed every episode.
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And it's fantastic.
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Like the shows that are like this, the ones that are produced by people involved with it,
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they have stories that you otherwise wouldn't hear,
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and they have access to absolutely everybody.
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And they interviewed everyone to do with this show.
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It is strange in places.
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It's a little bit like,
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they have a really interesting and I think really very funny
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dynamic between the two of them.
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But some people might not like that.
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And it's a little off color in some places too,
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which I would totally understand if people wouldn't like,
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but also, I don't know, it's kind of expected, I think,
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about a show about The Sopranos, I don't know.
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But I've really enjoyed this show.
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'Cause The Sopranos is one of my favorite shows ever.
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And getting to hear about the stories that went,
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you know, and the people and the mindset
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of what went into creating this show,
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I just think is really great.
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I haven't started listening to Parks and Recollection yet,
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but that's gonna be one I think will fill this hole
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when I'm done with talking to Primus.
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So yeah, that would be one of my recommendations this year.
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I'm not gonna push for it to win.
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I'm very happy with it being a runner up.
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- But what do you wanna do for this category this year?
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- So just for, I need to consult the official Bible
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of the Upgradies, Upgradies.com.
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Last year, it was, it was rectifs.
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Has rectifs won twice or just once?
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- Rectifs has won once.
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I do want to note, I've made an error in my list here
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by saying Cortex got 5.9%
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and ReconcileableDifferences got 5.7%.
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I think it was 6.7%.
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I know it was more than Cortex though,
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so I misspoke there.
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It did, I don't, I cannot tell you the exact thing.
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I think I just mistyped it.
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It must've been 6.7.
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All right, I'm going to say since Rec. Diffs
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was number one by the Upgradians,
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let's give it the award again.
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- Yeah. - It's a good podcast.
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- It's a very good show that people should be listening to
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here on Relay of Home if they're not already.
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- Excellent show notes as well.
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Excellent show notes.
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- Excellent show notes.
02:22:30
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Would you like to give another runner up?
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- Yeah, let's do, we'll do your Talking Sopranos runner up
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And let's make, let's make Cortex the other runner up.
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- Look at that.
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- So like upgrade it didn't win,
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but it's an honor just to be nominated.
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- Merlin Mann is a strong winner of this category.
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This is Merlin's fifth win, I believe in this category.
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Or fourth, fourth win.
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- That was great.
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That was very award show.
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This is Merlin's fifth win in this category.
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- He's dominated tonight for two categories.
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- I think this is also, I think,
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I believe Merlin is a five time, maybe six time
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overall winner in the upgrade.
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Diffs won favorite podcast newcomer in 2015.
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No, it makes him five.
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And then Dubai Friday has picked up two awards
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and Reconcileable Differences has now picked up two awards.
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They're heavily awarded, Merleman.
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And so we get to our final award of the evening,
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the favorite podcast newcomer of the year.
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3.1% for Football is Life on The Incomparable.
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4.8% for Conduit here on Relay FM.
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And a massive 28.5% of the vote, one of the highest percentages of the evening,
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goes for Downstream here on Relay FM.
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Am I on that one?
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Is that mine?
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You're on that one.
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That's one of your ones.
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That obviously makes a lot of sense and is my personal pick as well, downstream.
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Uh, I really wanted this show to exist because it's obviously a topic
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that we both care about greatly.
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Uh, Julia is the perfect person to host this show and along with you.
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And so I really love downstream.
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It's just what I want.
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It's, it's a lot of information and it's told in a really great way with a lot of
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great context to be provided about an area that I do find fascinating, which is how do
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these big companies navigate this landscape. So I think Downstream is a very worthy winner
02:24:40
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of this award.
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MATT ROWE, MD Well, if you and the Upgradians agree, then
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I'm happy to accept this award on Julia's behalf. And also, it is something we would
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like to have you on at some point.
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MATT ROWE, MD I would love to be on.
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MATT ROWE, MD To talk about what the UK lay of the land
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is. We're going to try to do that with the UK and Australia and maybe find some other
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guest to explain what streaming looks like in their countries because it's different everywhere.
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I could just tell you right now, Sky ate it all up. Thanks for coming everyone, I'm gonna leave now.
02:25:08
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Nice. But I have lots of opinions on that, so yeah I would love to be on the show. So yes,
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congratulations to Downstream for the favorite podcast newcomer award and conduit in Football
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is Life in the Runners-Up. Great. Look at that. So that was the 2021 Upgradies Awards.
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- How about that? We did it. - Congratulations, everybody.
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Congratulations to all of our winners, all of our nominees, all of our runner-ups.
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Thank you to every Upgrading for listening.
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This is obviously our very last episode of the year 2021.
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- I'm really excited to kick off another year of the show. - Wow, I hope so.
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Unless Apple announces an event for January 4th and we have to come back and do a draft,
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but probably not. Probably not.
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Probably not. I'm gonna hope not, anyway.
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I would say 2021, been a weird old year, but for this show, been a great year.
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I've really, I've really enjoyed everything that we've done this year.
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I think it's been one of our strongest, if not our strongest year of the show.
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I, you know, I think I'll take a moment to reflect now.
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I, I love the interviews that we've had, all of the drafts and stuff and event
02:26:13
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coverage we've done, Summer of Farm was great this year.
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Um, so, you know, obviously we, we're continuing to really enjoy producing
02:26:21
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bonus content in Upgrade Plus and thank you again to every Upgrading that supports the
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show that way. But the biggest thanks we can give to at this time of year is for everybody
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that listens to the show and loves the show and continues to share it with people. I love
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doing this and I'm very thankful that I get to do this show with Jason every week. So
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thank you to everybody for listening. Jason, thank you for working with me on this project.
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So, great honor. - Yes, thank you, Myke.
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It's been a while now and yet here we are,
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we're still doing it, I love it.
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It's a huge part of my week, every week.
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Great way to start my week too.
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And I, yeah, likewise, I think we're making good episodes
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and having good conversations
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and I really enjoy talking to you every week.
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And I am interested in the fact that this is the year
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where I broke the seal and we did an episode
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that I was mostly not on.
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That was a milestone for me.
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And even then I couldn't resist being on a little bit.
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- We have to have you on a little bit.
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Just a little, little tiny bit.
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Uh, if you'd like to find, uh, some information about the award
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winners, go to upgradees.com.
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You'll find, uh, all of the links there to all of the content and all of the
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shows and everything that we've spoken about and thank you to Zach Knox for the
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great work that Zach does on that project.
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Uh, thank you all for listening.
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We'll be back next year.
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Until then, thank you for, thank you for this wonderful evening.
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Uh, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
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Goodbye Jason Snell.