393: Nothing Is So Perfectâ„¢
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From relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 393. Today's show is brought to you by Bombas,
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Squarespace, Fitbod and Membrful. My name is Myke Hurley, I'm joined by Jason Snell.
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Hi Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke Hurley.
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Jason has a sore throat today.
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So we're just going to get that out of the way up front. Jason is not going to sound
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his usual wonderful self.
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Yeah. Is it allergies? Is it something else? The one thing I could take a test for came
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back negative. So whatever it is, this is what you're getting. I have lots of tea.
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My apologies for my voice.
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Jason loves getting a sore throat because it means he can have even more tea than usual
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and nobody can tell him otherwise.
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I'm having like a whole pot of tea here with me right now. I have a cup, I have a mug,
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and then I have a thermos full of the rest of the pot.
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Well, I have a Snail Talk question that's going to make you feel better because you
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Sorry, Myke, I gotta go to the bathroom now.
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And Ryan wants to know,
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"I know you prefer E-readers
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that have physical buttons for page turning.
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Which side of the E-reader do you prefer the buttons
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to be on and which button out of the top or bottom buttons
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is set for next page and previous page?"
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Okay, Ryan, let me blow your mind.
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E-readers, modern E-readers,
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if you turn it upside down, the whole thing flips over.
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So it's on whichever side you want them to be.
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- Yeah, but which side do you want?
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Like, so when you, you know, you don't just, I'm sure,
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you're a man of opinions,
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you don't just have it randomly all over the place, surely.
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- Well, I, but the truth is, if I'm reading somewhere,
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so I think the right side is I'm more comfortable,
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but after a while, you know, you kinda wanna mix it up
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and then you go to the left side and I just flip it over.
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Like if I get a little tired, a little uncomfortable
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over here with my right arm,
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I'll just go over to the left.
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- If you hold it with the left hand,
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does it feel like somebody else is reading to you?
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- It does not.
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It's just the same.
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It's just like a paperback book.
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You might adjust your grip.
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And in this case, you flip it over
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so that the buttons go on your thumb.
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And I have the bottom button set for next page
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because the way I hold it, the grip that I use,
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I'm gripping the bottom of the e-reader
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with my thumb on the bottom button.
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And since the bottom button is what I'm primarily using,
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because I seldom read books backward,
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sometimes you need to turn the page back,
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but I seldom do that.
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So what I want is hold it in my right hand,
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primarily thumb on button,
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and then I click the button without moving my thumb.
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I just squeeze a little and click the button.
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And I will point out that all these modern e-readers,
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Kobo and Kindle, let you set which button does which,
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let you lock orientation if you want to.
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All of those things are options,
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but that's how I prefer it is more right than left
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and bottom button is forward.
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What do you want to know?
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Let us know.
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Do you like that?
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Was the new little--
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- That's intriguing.
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- Just threw that in there.
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I don't really know where it came from.
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I have a couple of Mark Gurman rumor round-up things for you.
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Mark, some stuff published to Bloomberg, some stuff in his newsletter.
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It's all about kind of future product releases.
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Mark is reporting that Apple is currently targeting March the 8th for their next event.
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This event obviously will be a virtual event and they're going to be bringing people back
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together for this one.
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current plans indicate that the event will focus on an iPhone SE3 and an updated iPad Air. This is
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what Mark knows about. If this is all it was, this is not worth it, and press releases would 100% do
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the job, right? I kind of agree, but I wonder if our standards are too high in this era where Apple
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does video events, you know? I feel like they've always, even like, so the one I can think of with
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this is when they had like I think it was they did the purple iPhone and an
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iPad maybe an Apple watch but like that was enough I feel like an iPhone se3 and
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a new base sorry and a new iPad air I feel like it needs like one extra thing
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I wasn't gonna say one more extra thing and this is why additionally mark has
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suggested that a new Mac could be announced at this event as well but
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there seems to be some chopping and changing about the timing of that from Apple's side.
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I think the possibility is there for the Mac.
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Our hope is that it's the iMac Pro.
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My guess is that if it's not that, it's what we talked about, which is upgrade the Mac
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Mini with the M1 Pro and Mac's chips, potentially even do that for the iMac, the smaller iMac,
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but they could do that.
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chip bump because they've got those faster M1s now, the Pro and the Max, but that we
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would really, really, really, really like it.
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Please, if you could, Apple, do a new iMac now.
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I think there has to be one, like it can't just be the, for me, I just feel like those
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two things, it's like not enough.
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A new iPhone, a new iPad Air, or a new iPhone, a new iPad, and a new Mac.
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Are you getting it yet?
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It's three products.
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I think that would work, even if those three products didn't change really that much, but
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they've all just got some important changes to them.
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Plus they could talk about, I don't know,
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some software stuff or whatever, you know,
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like that would do it.
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- I mean, it's still not a lot,
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but I think that was my point was you,
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the bar is lower if you're not inviting people.
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- Definitely.
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- You could do an hour video.
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It's not a major, major announcement,
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but it's better than a press release, I think.
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It would be the judgment of Apple.
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Like it's enough to get people's attention for an hour
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to roll out these products.
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They do risk making their products,
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their product events less essential
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if they do one that's minor.
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That's I think one of the untold lessons of Steve Jobs
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when he came back is I think Steve Jobs,
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first thing he did was basically say,
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we're not gonna call people down for an event
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if it isn't worth it.
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'Cause the old Apple before jobs,
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right before jobs got there famously for me,
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at least as somebody who was covering Apple,
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they invited us down all the time
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for things that were secret, super secret.
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And you get there and it's nothing.
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It's just nothing interesting.
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And I think that they need to walk that line, right?
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The bar is lower than it used to be, but don't take it down too low where it's kind of a nothing
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and everybody shrugs at it.
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Because the last thing you want to do is get people shrugging at Apple announcing that
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they're doing a live event, right?
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Because that's it, isn't it?
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It's not about bringing people in.
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It's that they want people to come and watch.
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And if you risk their attention, you've got their attention now.
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And if you start making these events not interesting,
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you risk losing some of that attention.
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And it's a real asset of Apple
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that you don't wanna give away.
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- 'Cause they'll be doing another one
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three months later, right, WWDC.
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And so you don't want people to say like,
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"Ah, watch that last one."
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- Which is why I look at this and I think,
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maybe if it's just an iPad Air,
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'cause the iPad Air already has the iPad Pro styling,
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so it really is gonna be like an M1 iPad Air.
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And the iPhone SE, I mean, yeah, they can be like,
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"Oh, 5G, and here's a guy from T-Mobile,
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and yay, right?
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They can do that.
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That's fine, but again, not super exciting.
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What's the third thing?
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What's the thing that wraps up the event?
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And iMac Pro would do it, but I don't know.
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Mark Gurman seems to not know.
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What's fascinating about Mark Gurman's reporting on this,
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since we pour over his Sunday morning emails like we do,
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is he doesn't seem to have a lot of vision
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into what's going on with the iMac.
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And I think that's fascinating.
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Mark did report that Apple is planning on releasing
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four M2 Macs later on this year.
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The expectation is a MacBook Air,
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an updated MacBook Air with a new design.
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So like the first kind of Apple Silicon MacBook Air
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as it were, as in like, you know, imagined four.
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- Right, 'cause the M1 MacBook Air looks like
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the classic MacBook Air going back to 2010.
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This will rumored is gonna be the, you know,
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designed externally and internally for Apple Silicon.
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- A new base level Mac mini to replace the one
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that currently has an M1 chip.
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iMac to put new chips in the current iMac.
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- Right, so M2 24-inch iMac, which is logical,
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but I don't think I'd seen that one actually reported before
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but it makes sense.
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- And a new 13-inch MacBook Pro.
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So new kind of entry-level MacBook Pro.
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Mark expects that Apple will remove the touch bar
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from the MacBook Pro, but it will not feature a ProMotion or HDR display.
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I wonder if, I wonder about the design of that product, honestly.
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Like, what that's going to be.
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I'm a little bit intrigued about that one.
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Yeah, I wonder if it really is just do the minimum to keep the price down, to have the
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I think you're right.
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And just keep it, right?
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Just so it's cheaper and it will look like the one, basically my thinking is it will
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look just like the current one, right?
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the one that had the M1 chip in it,
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or has the M1 chip in it, but they removed the touch bar,
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so they're kind of bringing back the escape version.
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- And keep in mind that the MacBook Air being redesigned
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will probably push the MacBook Air away
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from the MacBook Pro a little bit more,
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'cause one of the problems with that 13-inch MacBook Pro
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is differentiation with the MacBook Air,
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and they're not very differentiated now,
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but they may become more differentiated in design
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because the air is not inheriting the design.
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- When they redesign the MacBook Air,
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they're gonna keep the old one, aren't they?
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- I would not be surprised if they kept the old one.
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- I think they will.
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They'll keep the old one even for a little bit
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'cause you know it's gonna be, well not no,
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but I would expect the new one might be
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a little bit more expensive.
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- Yeah, make that Air an 899 M1
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and then have the new one be a 1049 or 1099 M2.
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- Yeah, I'm surprised, honestly.
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Am I? About the iMac. I'm trying to think, like what do I think about that?
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So that would be what, maybe 18 months? Yeah. Yeah, a year and a half-ish.
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I'm not sure how I feel about Mac processes being updated so frequently again.
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I kind of have good and bad feelings about it. Well what's weird is the M2 is based on the A15,
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so we're going to get in a position here where M2 Macs are going to be shipping and the A16 is
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is gonna be shipping.
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And maybe that's just how it's gonna go from now on.
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But there's a question of like the cadence
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and do the Mac chips pick up the new cores
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from the iPhone chips every year or not?
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But because Apple makes these chips
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or designs these chips and has Taiwan Semiconductor
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make them, it does allow Apple to do.
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This may be what happens is Apple updates Macs all the time
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with whatever their new chip is.
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And then does the bigger spec changes from time to time.
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But right, like if you made the M1
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and now you have the M2 in volume,
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why would you not cut the iMac over to,
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or all of those computers over to the M2 as soon as you can,
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because it's better. (laughs)
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And it's probably not a huge change to the internals of that
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because remember you're designing the whole thing now,
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including the chip.
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- Yeah, I just, my concern,
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And it's not really something for me to worry about specifically.
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It's like, if this is just going to happen, this is just going to be the churn, right?
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That there will be, they'll just keep doing it over and over and over again.
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Maybe that's not a problem.
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I don't know.
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But it's just, there's something about it where it's like, is it going to realistically be every calendar year at some point it will get the new one?
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Because if they put the M1 in it, then the M2 in it, they're going to put the M3 and then the M4.
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'cause if you skip it, then what, you know what I mean?
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And it's like, is that gonna be the plan now?
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Like that there will be a new processor,
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which is incrementally better than the previous one,
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every calendar year for every Mac?
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- Or every 18 months?
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I think maybe, I think maybe now that Apple controls
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the processor thing.
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And I think the challenge is gonna be how we look at this,
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because when Apple was updating things less often,
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it took on more weight.
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And it may be now that, I mean, think about the iPad, right?
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Like, iPad Pro has gotten three updates
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in its current look and feel.
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And some of them, the processor updates,
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it was like from the X to the Z and then to the M1.
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And like there have been some other things
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that the port changed, the screen on the big model changed,
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but you could look at that and say, not a lot changed,
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except they updated the chip on the inside.
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So, you know, I think that could happen.
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I think that we could get in a situation where every year
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or year and a half, there are new Mac models
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with new chips in them, separate from every
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and maybe minor updates,
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kind of like an iPhone or iPad schedule, right?
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Where it's like, they're not that different.
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This year's iMac is different from last year's iMac,
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but only a little bit, because basically it's the same.
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And then every so often there's a big change.
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I think that's probably what Apple's goal is,
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is to be able to swap in the new tech fairly easily
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like they do with the iPhone and iPad,
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and then just every few years do a more dramatic revision
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in terms of specs.
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- This episode is brought to you in part
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I did not want to have to talk about this again.
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I don't want to talk about it either but I think we have to at least a little.
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Oh we have to.
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But this is, we're going back, me and you Jason, we're going back to the Netherlands.
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- To connect the Netherlands.
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And I wanna just send a message out there
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to explain what goes on when a citizen of the Netherlands
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is interested in a different citizen of the Netherlands.
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They might use some sort of an app to connect
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and like, do we share interests?
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Are you somebody that I might wanna meet?
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- Is this like the birds and the bees or something?
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- By the Prinzengracht in Amsterdam one evening
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and we could go for a bike ride
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because there are lots of bikes in Amsterdam.
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And anyway, so when two Dutch people love each other
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very much, they probably used a Dutch dating app.
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- All right, so. - That's all I got, I'm out.
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- Apple has published, all the fun stuff's over.
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Now we get into the--
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- Yeah, sorry, that was your entertainment part.
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- Jason did a good job for you all, now I'm here to,
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I'm like the Krampus.
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- The Krampus of Dutch dating, that's you.
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- That's me. - That's you.
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the Grinch of romance in the Netherlands.
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That's you, Myke Hurley, you.
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- I think Apple's that.
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I'm just telling the story, you know?
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I'm like the representative here.
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So Apple has published more details
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for the dating apps in the Netherlands stuff.
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So they've actually now kind of gone through
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the financial part of it,
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which is the kind of the last piece
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that we're waiting to find out.
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So I'm gonna give you a couple of key parts.
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We're gonna do them in an order of amount of stuff.
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We're gonna have to talk about them, I think.
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So they're only going to allow one link for external payment
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So remember, you could do two things.
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You can either link people out to the web to pay,
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or you can throw up an in-app purchase thing,
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in-app purchasing screen.
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It's not in-app purchase.
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Please excuse me.
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So say, here are the other payment methods
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that you can make.
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And you have to apply for an entitlement for each.
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Apple's only allowing you to have one link that goes out,
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and that link is specified in the application itself.
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So you can't change it.
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It's like a whole thing.
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It's coded into the app.
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So that's one part.
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Ridiculous, but that's whatever, kind of what we expected.
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For both this, though, and the I want to pay in-app using
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a third-party provider, you have to show to users
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an in-app modal sheet.
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This means something you can only
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get rid of by pressing one of either the yes or no buttons,
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This has to be shown before sending people for payment
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or giving them their options.
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There's a bunch of wording on there.
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I want to read a couple of parts of it.
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So I'm going to truncate this a little bit,
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but some of the wording that you have to include,
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this is just a thing that comes up,
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says, "This app does not support the App Store's
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private and secure payment system."
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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"Only purchases through the App Store are secured by Apple."
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Now, a lot of people, I think,
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are very rightly reading into this,
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that basically Apple is trying to paint the picture,
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that you can only trust them.
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they're the only secure ones, right?
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It's like the implication of what they're saying
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is that the App Store has a private and secure payment
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So if you don't use this one, maybe it's
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not private and secure, which is a terrible thing to say,
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And it does-- I've seen a bunch of people--
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I think I saw Matt Burch just said this on Twitter.
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Well, what about the third-party payment systems
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that already exist in apps like Uber and Amazon?
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They don't have to show users this stuff.
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Why is that?
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You know what I mean?
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It's like, just if you want proof that Apple wants to make this a bad experience out of
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spite, I think, this is part of that proof.
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What is your take on this whole like showing the modal thing?
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I said a while ago when we first saw Apple's results in Korea and Japan that it feels like
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like Apple's strategy is to make everything as unpleasant as possible.
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It's follow the letter of the law, but show your resistance in every possible way.
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And this dialogue box is part of that.
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Actually it reminds me, I mean, Apple does this reflexively.
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I think this is part of a strategy, but Apple does this a lot where you see Apple's kind
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of, I think they view it as being concerned for the user, but it's weaponized a lot.
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And sometimes pointlessly, like I'm reminded of how on M1 Macs, when you install Audio
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Hijack, the excellent sound utility from Rogue Amoeba, they have to use an Apple-approved
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method of capturing system audio.
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And Apple makes you reboot twice and go to a system setting and say, "Lower security
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settings," and it has text there that basically says, "You are endangering yourself by doing
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this," and then you have to agree and reboot, and now you can use AudioHijack.
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And it struck me as funny because AudioHijack's using Apple-approved methods.
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It's not a kernel extension.
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It's just a system extension that Apple has approved the methodology of it, and yet they
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put up the scare text. And I think that it's just part of the good side of it. It is their
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culture of concern for the user and wanting to disclose to the user. But when I say it
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can be weaponized, anything they don't like, they can turn on that language and try to
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scare the user. And so, you know, all of this stuff is like that. All of this stuff is,
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Apple's argument all along is that, boo, spooky, other people processing your credit cards
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are bad and they may be fraudsters and only Apple is trustworthy. And so why would they
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not create a scary dialogue box? Because they're trying to create so many barriers that nobody
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uses this. And more to the point that developers don't even bother because they're like, "I'm
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I'm not gonna put, like, I'm not gonna get,
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why would I do this work?
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If nobody's ever going to agree to the thing where you tap
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and a ghost appears and says, no, this is haunted.
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So I don't know.
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I mean, it's, are we surprised?
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But I think the counter argument would be,
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and this is the, I dare you portion of Apple strategy,
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which is the counter argument is,
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are you going to tell us how to write our dialogue boxes?
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are you going to tell us when and if we can warn our users
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about legitimate security threats?
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And I think they believe that they probably won't be,
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that the regulators and the lawmakers are not gonna say,
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it must be a nice dialogue box that is fair
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and has texts that is approved by a regulator.
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That's their gamble that they're taking here
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is that they're gonna be able to get away with this,
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but it is weaponizing their stated concern
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for the user and turning it into a concern.
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We're very concerned that you might
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use someone else's systems and it could be dangerous.
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Are you sure you want to do that?
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You know, it's mom saying, "You can drive the car,
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but are you sure you want to go to that party?"
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- And the worst part of it is the part
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that we all expected would happen,
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but honestly, when you see it written down,
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it's just so much worse than when you imagined it, I think,
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is that Apple will be charging developers
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that use third-party payment systems
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27%, a 27% fee on every transaction.
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- Isn't that funny too, that choice?
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I mean, it's generally thought that 3%
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is the credit card transaction.
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And so they're literally like, okay,
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so we'll subtract that from the 30 we take
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and we want the rest.
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And they didn't try to like say, oh, well, 25.
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It's just a natural number, 25.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Or 20, yeah, no, whatever.
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They're like, no, it's exactly,
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we have imagined how much you're gonna be spending
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on the external and that's what we spend too.
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So we'll let you have that part.
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And then we want the rest because we want our money
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and we want our money no matter what transactions you use.
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It's just, yeah, it's clear.
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And they're so lucky that Google went to this before them
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in terms of the strategy of we want our money
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whether or not we are skimming it
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off of our transaction or not.
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But still, it's very much,
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and maybe this is a negotiation,
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maybe they're gonna start, come on hard,
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and then eventually they'll back down a little bit.
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But it's them saying, "We want all our money,"
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and it doesn't matter what transaction processing system
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you use, you can use that if you want to,
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but it's not gonna save you any money.
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So why bother?
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- Just for reference, for Google,
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I think it's by a large, most transactions
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are somewhere between 11 and 15%.
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So like, I agree with you,
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and they were, I guess, waiting to see what Google did.
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But I think Google has picked a number
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for whatever reason they've picked their number.
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Apple's picked its number by being like,
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"No, we deserve every penny."
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- And also they don't wanna,
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and fundamentally Apple doesn't want to create an incentive
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for developers to build this app.
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So they've got the scary dialog box
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that has to be a separate binary in the app store,
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separate from their existing app.
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And so you do all of this
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and then you're not gonna even make any money.
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- You know, you just know that your app review time
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is gonna be worse for this.
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- Probably, 'cause they're gonna have to check this
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against all the things,
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and you're gonna have to get special approval.
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And that's all to make it so unpleasant
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that nobody wants to do it,
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and then you know what happens.
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The next step is people agitate for laws to be changed
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or for Apple to be held to account.
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And Apple says, "Hey, we did it,
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"and nobody's taking us up on it."
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Like, nobody wants this.
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Why are you regulating us
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to provide alternate payment methods
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when the truth is in the real world in Dutch dating apps,
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nobody uses the feature.
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We're innocent here.
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You're making us build things. - We get all this work.
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- And nobody is using it 'cause they just don't want it.
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And the truth is that that's part of the game
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they're playing is they wanna make it
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as unpalatable as possible so that they can have proof
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to say nobody is using it.
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So that's all what's happening here.
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- Talk about unpalatable.
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Alright, bear with me a minute, there's stuff to read. I want to read from Apple's pages.
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So in regards to the 27%, this is a reduced rate that excludes the value related to payment
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processing and related activities. Developers using these entitlements will be required to
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provide a report to Apple recording each sale of digital goods and content that has been
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facilitated through the App Store. The report will then need to be provided monthly within
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15 calendar days following the end of Apple's fiscal month.
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Qualifying developers will receive an invoice based on their reporting and will be required
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to remit payment to Apple for the amount invoiced within 45 days following the end of Apple's
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fiscal month.
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In the future, if Apple develops technical solutions to facilitate reporting, developers
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will be required to adopt such technologies.
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Please note that Apple has audit rights pursuant to the entitlement's terms and conditions.
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This will allow Apple to review the accuracy of a developer's record of digital transactions
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as a result of the entitlement, ensuring the appropriate commission has been paid to Apple.
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Failure to pay Apple's commission could result in the offset of proceeds owed to you in other
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markets, removal of your app from the App Store, or removal from the Apple Developer
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This is disgusting to me.
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So there's a few things here that I find so terrible about this.
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And it's not even the money.
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The first thing I was annoyed about was the 27%.
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But then when I read this, I was so much more annoyed.
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Because the implication that they are making here is that they cannot trust developers
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to accurately tell them what the charges will be.
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Not only do they want a detailed report, they threaten you with audits and punishments if
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if you don't give them the correct number
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because they need every single cent
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and they are so upset if they don't get it.
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Like, ah man, like they have engineered this in such a way
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that it's probably also going to cost developers more money
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to go with this route than to stick with Apple.
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Like, where is the partnership?
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There's just, they do not care about partnerships, right?
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It's like, you are lucky to be here with us.
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We have ordained to give you real estate
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on our incredible product and in our app store.
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And we deserve every single cent of it because just we do.
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It makes me sick, man.
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I'm so annoyed about this.
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- So a couple of things, right?
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Like it's hard to ask somebody to forego money.
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And Apple's culture comes from that time,
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that near death experience where, you know,
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I think Steve Jobs really set them on the path of everybody,
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get your take every time from everywhere.
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In fact, it reminds me of our joke about IDG back in the day,
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the way IDG business units were budgeted.
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I was told it's like the mob.
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Like they don't really care what you do
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as long as you give them their money
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at the end of the year.
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And it's a little like that.
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It's like, we just want the money.
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Like we just want the money.
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That's our culture is you give us the money
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for everything you do on our platforms,
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you give us the money.
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And although there are arguments that are strong here,
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like look, Apple does spend money
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on building App Store systems and building Xcode
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and building external APIs for third-party developers.
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Like there is actual money that Apple spends.
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The funny thing is I don't know of any developer,
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no developer I know, let's put it that way,
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I have ever seen say that they don't believe
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that Apple doesn't deserve a portion, right?
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- Oh, I 100% believe that they deserve a portion.
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- Yeah, so there's an extreme argument
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that people can make which are like,
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oh, I just wanna set up my own thing and box Apple out.
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And that's sort of the Epic Games argument and all that.
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It's like, I don't, but what is interesting here
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is that you're putting everyone in a position where,
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you know, Apple wants it the way they want it
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and they wanna tell everybody what to do.
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And the extreme side is we wanna bypass Apple.
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And I don't, I mean, the challenge there is,
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could you bypass Apple?
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I, even if you were to pass laws or set up regulations where Apple couldn't take a higher
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than a certain percentage from transactions, or you set up alternate app stores or whatever
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else it would be, there's other layers to this, right? I saw a developer on Twitter,
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and I can't remember who it was, whether it was Steve Trout and Smith or somebody else.
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Somebody speculated that, you know, where this is going to end up going is an Xcode
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enterprise access fee based on your total sales on Apple platforms, and you pay a percentage
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of it to Apple and it needs to be audited and it becomes like basically, "Okay, we'll
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back out of the whole thing, but you're still going to pay us our money." That is their
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strategy here. The tragedy to me, and again, maybe some of this is because it's negotiation
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ploy and this is how they've decided to do it and they've decided to be really hard about
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it. The tragedy to me is I feel like there's a strategy, there's an approach that they
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could take that would make most of this stuff go away and it would make the remaining arguments
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so blunted that they would never gain any headway.
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But Apple hasn't done that.
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Apple hasn't said, "Okay, we're gonna change
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and we're gonna make this."
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Instead they're like, "We will do the minimum possible."
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That is their strategy.
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So this is where we are
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and this is why it has eroded the relationship
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between developers and Apple.
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Oh, the other thing that I know I've mentioned before
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but I failed to mention just then is,
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it also, there's this implication that
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Since Apple built the platform and built the,
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built Xcode and built all the APIs and all of that,
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that Apple deserves a portion of the revenue
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of the apps that are generated
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because Apple laid the foundations.
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Apple benefits, developers benefit, Apple benefits.
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Of course, the truth is that Apple benefits so much
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from the sale of devices that run all those apps.
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And that if the apps didn't exist,
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Apple's products would not be as popular.
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And you only need to go back to the Mac versus Windows to see that if you have one platform
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that's got all the software and the other one doesn't, guess what happens?
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The one platform kind of struggles.
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And so it's disingenuous to say that Apple needs to share with – or developers need
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to share with Apple because Apple laid the groundwork of the platform.
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Because I would argue that at that point you should say, "What percentage of iPhone sales
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are you going to give to developers?
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And they're not going to do that, right?
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0% is the answer there.
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That's the answer.
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So it's 27% over here and 0% over there.
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- We made this, how dare you, right?
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- Yeah, yeah, no, we're 100.
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And that's why, and again, forgive me,
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but having worked with people who dealt with Steve Jobs
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for business regarding the Mac world brand,
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there is, and it comes straight from Steve,
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there is still inside Apple this idea that everything positive is due to Apple. And so
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the iPhone is 100% successful due to Apple's greatness. All of those sales are 100% due
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to Apple. The App Store is probably 100% due to Apple's greatness, but we can't take 100%
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from you. So we'll take 30% from you. And that's just their attitude. And I think that
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That is still underpinning a lot of this strategy.
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And I don't know what the answer is.
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It does sort of feel like, unless this is a rope-a-dope kind of thing where Apple's
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like, "Oh no, we're gonna be mean."
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And then they're like, "Okay, oh right, we changed."
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They're really just saying, "Regulate us, make us."
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See, this is the thing.
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No one outside of the Netherlands should be paying attention to this story, in theory,
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But you're making us all see it.
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So if this is your plan, what you've pointed out, of like, "Oh, we're going to go hard
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and then pull back," in doing that, it makes everyone feel bad.
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Everyone feels bad.
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And is that good?
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I don't think that's a good tactic.
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And I don't think that's a tactic.
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I just think that they are asking for what they think they deserve.
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If you have a person you have a relationship with, let's not say it's a friend, but
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it's a colleague or it's a business that you do business with.
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And they do good work, and it helps your business that you work with them.
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And they provide you with some of your revenue for your business, and it's all fine.
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But over time, what happens is everything that they do, they keep.
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And they keep maximizing how much of what you do they want to charge you for.
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Like it's this business, it becomes this thing where you feel like you're being taken advantage
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while you're still making money and building your business, you feel like the other group
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is not your friend, and they're not really even your colleague. They're kind of lording
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it over you and are giving you enough to survive, but they even view it almost as if they're
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giving it to you and as if it's largess. Now, this is—you don't have to be a Sherlock
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to realize what I'm describing as the Apple developer relationship, but if you abstract
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it just a little bit, that's what's going on here. And it doesn't mean that the developers
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are not going to keep developing software for Apple's platforms. But what has happened
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is, if you think about that abstracted argument, you no longer give the benefit of the doubt
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to your business partner. You begin to protect yourself from that business partner. You begin
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to view that business partner as untrustworthy, as an adversary. And here's the kicker. When
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When the bad times come and something that that that business partner adversary needs
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something of you or needs to call in a favor, you won't because they never showed that to
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Apple is behaving like a company that will never have the bad times come and never needs
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a favor and that every bad thing that happens on Apple's platforms can be papered over with
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That's their that's their approach.
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And you know what?
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So far since the launch of the App Store in 2008, that's been true.
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It has been true.
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And it will probably be true for a while that no matter what the relationship is with app
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developers and Apple, that there's too much money to be made for it to make enough of
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a difference for the people who are developing apps to abandon Apple and abandon that money.
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but they are they are corroding the relationship and it's a dangerous game because you are
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basically betting on the fact that even when your relationship is bad you're going to give
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them enough money that it's not going to matter and that's great as long as you've got the
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money to give them.
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Tell you one place where I can see this as like a potential thing because I really love
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what that energy you've just made right and what it seems like is on the horizon like
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There's nothing, right?
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When is Apple ever going to need to ask these people for anything?
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One thing I can think of is like new platforms, stuff like the mixed reality headset.
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Apple needs apps for it, but I can imagine a lot of people either A, don't want to get
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into the business at all because it seems too stressful, or B, they're in it but they
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don't want to do any more because it's just more aggravation.
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And Apple needs these apps.
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Well, they're asking people to take a leap, right?
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with us and invest a lot of money in this new platform that is not going to be successful
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for a little while. And what Apple is saying is, "This is a straight-up investment. You
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invest in our platform now, we'll make you money later. That's all you need to care about."
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And that's one way to go, but I would argue that if somebody is more predisposed toward
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Apple and be like, "Oh, I love Apple stuff and this is really fun and we're going to
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take an adventure and we're going to break new ground and maybe we'll make money at the
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end of it too. Great. You're going to get more and more enthusiastic investment in your
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new platform than if it's just, also who's investing, right? They're the people out there,
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and we know a lot of them who are developers, who although they make a living from being
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a developer, they also take great pride in what they do. They are often very small companies
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or individuals. They've got limited amounts of time to spend. And then Apple comes in
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and says, "Well, we've got this thing. It's going to be a big investment. You're going
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to buy hardware, you're going to have to do all this stuff, learn totally new ways, but
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in the end it's going to be this." Well, what's going to happen is a lot of those people are
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going to be like, "I can't. I can't. I've got to maintain the stuff that's making my
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living now. This is expensive. There's no return on investment." The people who will
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come in are everybody else who's willing to put in money with the hope of getting rich
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down the road. So I would argue that the composition of the developers that you're bringing in
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for your new thing. If you don't have good vibes with developers, the people you bring
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in will be kind of bad and jerky and they're all in it to get rich quick. And I know it's
00:39:53
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capitalism, like everybody wants to make money, but what I'm saying is sometimes what happens
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on Apple's platforms is there's the stuff Apple's proud of and the stuff Apple's not
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proud of. And I would argue that most of the stuff Apple's proud of is coming from kind
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of good developers who care. And yes, they want to make money too, but they care. And
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the stuff Apple's not proud of is the people who are super mercenary and the businesses
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that are mercenary, and they just are in it for the money. Apple's big, we're gonna spend
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a few million bucks on this AR thing, hopefully it'll pay off later. And again, you could
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do that. Like, it's a perfectly reasonable solution to do that, but if you're Apple,
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what you're risking is that you're scaring away all the people who do the work you're
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actually proud of on your platform and you're going to be left with the kind of
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crappy stuff that's in the App Store that you make money from but don't
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really talk about or don't really promote heavily because it's kind of
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soulless and bad. And so what I'm not arguing here is that the
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sainted indie developers are where Apple makes its money.
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It's not, but I think there is an intangible aspect to it which is that
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that's the kind of stuff that when there's love and commerce going on you
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You get a better product and it's a product that Apple's prouder of and they do App Store
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features about and all of that.
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And I think that that does matter to Apple.
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And I think it's a very proud company that is proud of stuff that it enables on the App
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And I'm just saying there's lots of fallout from making your core developer community
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hardened and mercenary.
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Alright Jason it is time for the six colors report card for apples 2021 can you explain
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to listeners maybe new listeners what the six colors report card is?
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uh sure every year um for since 2015 when i started six colors i have tried to get a
00:43:28
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a panel of people, a few dozen people, people who I know, or I read their stuff on Twitter,
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people who seem to focus on Apple with a lot of their attention.
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I ask them to fill out a survey about 12 different Apple-related categories, and I ask them to
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score Apple one to five, five being best, one being worst, for each of the categories,
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And then they also can fill out a little text field and tell me more about how they're feeling.
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And I compile those results.
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So for people who like numbers, there are numbers.
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And for people who like words, there are lots of words because I, although I trim it down,
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there are a lot of words from people whose names you know and some that you don't.
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And so because I've been doing it since 2015, it also means that I can track the sentiment
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over time and see how people's opinions have changed.
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The panel changes every year,
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but it's got a lot of continuity.
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I try to add people and I also invite people
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and then not all of them opt to take the survey.
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So that varies from year to year.
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I need to be better at inviting more people in the future.
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I'm actually gonna try to build a better system
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to keep track of my, it's a little scattershot,
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but I'm gonna try to be better for next time.
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But yeah, so it's a measure of sentiment about Apple
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in a bunch of different categories.
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And really, my goal is not to prove anything scientifically.
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That's not the point here.
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My goal is really to get a sense of the temperature,
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get the sense of the vibe among people
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who pay attention to Apple.
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How do they think it's going?
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And I think in aggregate, you end up
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with some interesting insights into how people feel
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Apple is doing from year to year, how the trends are.
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It's a point to begin conversation, I think,
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more than anything else, but I think it's a fun idea
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and it's been fun to do, so I'm doing it.
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- So we're gonna run through the grades.
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We'll maybe pick out some of the points that were made
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and we can look at why things have maybe gone up or down.
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I am gonna give my grades
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and I'm gonna ask you to give yours
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because you do not vote in the report card,
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so I would like to have that so we could--
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- And in fact, I have not prepared any grades.
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So we will figure it out together.
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- Well, I mean, really this is kind of just how I fill out
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the report card.
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I just, as I'm going through, I just fill it out
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like how I'm feeling when I get to the question.
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So we're gonna do the same with you today.
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- You don't do like a sentiment analysis
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of all the words that you've said during the year
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and try to gauge the, no, of course not.
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- Well, I mean, of course this is incredibly important to me
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so yes, I am doing that.
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Of course, of course, of course.
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- We'll start with the Mac, which is an A+
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with a 4.6 score, which is down a little from 4.7.
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This was something I was very surprised about,
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but you tried to tell me why that was okay, right?
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- Yeah, well, a lot of people were like,
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"How did the max score go down?"
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And the answer is, 'cause it went up by 1.1 on average,
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a huge leap last year as Apple Silicon came in.
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And that is hard.
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When five is the most you can give anything,
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and you've got a group of 53 people,
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and the score is 4.7, it actually doesn't
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have a lot of room to go up.
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It's almost up at the top.
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So it slid a little to 4.6.
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Looking at the sentiment of the comments,
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I think there are a couple of reasons for that.
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One is that there are still some Apple Silicon Macs that
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have not made their debut.
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And also, I'd say a general kind of uneasiness
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about the state of the software side of the Mac.
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And this is not a Mac hardware question.
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It is a Mac question.
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and people can interpret that as they like.
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And so I think that there are a few people
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who ratcheted down the score a little bit.
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- Stephen Hackett, I think may have been one of them.
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Stephen says, "I can't shake the feeling
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"that once again Apple software is letting its hardware down.
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"Mac OS Monterey has been the smoothest running version
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"of operating system in several years.
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"Parts of Mac OS continue to feel outdated,
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"if not outright forgotten by teams
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"who have moved on to other projects."
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So you can assess some of that part there.
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I graded it a five and my quote was one of the quotes
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that you did publish in the report card,
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which I always enjoy when I see those,
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is that in the 10 years that I've been covering Apple,
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this is the most excited I've ever been for the Mac.
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And it's true.
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I think, I mean, to me, like just for,
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obviously I'm biased, but I just can't believe
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that anyone wouldn't rate this year a five.
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Like to me, that's wild because the Macs
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that we have seen this year are absolutely unbelievable.
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And I mean, maybe people are kind of like,
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I'll put it at four now because I'm waiting for more later, but I'm just kind of like just just live your life
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Just you know, we'll give her all fives. We'll just do five five five
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You don't have to like grade down because of what the future might bring just be happy
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You know five five five all over the place. So what's your score?
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Four. Ah, you're one of these people
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Yeah, I I think Stevens exactly right which is I want to and I had several people I tend to take out the things where
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People explain their rating system to me because that's the thing
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I hate it the most about like Goodreads or something like that.
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So I'm like, I would have given this three and a half,
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but since you don't allow half ratings,
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I guess I'll give it a three.
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But there were several people who said,
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if this was just the hardware, it would be a five.
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And I agree, if this was hardware,
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I would give it a five out of five.
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But the fact is, macOS Monterey,
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like it's great that Shortcuts is there now.
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I'm so happy about that.
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It was a mess when it shipped and it's still kind of weird,
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but it's getting better.
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And I agree with Steven exactly.
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There are so many, and this is true,
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across the board, but it's especially true on the Mac.
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There is so much Apple software that feels abandoned.
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And it's embarrassing.
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Like there's stuff on Apple's platform
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that is core to Apple's platform
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that doesn't feel like it's changed much in a decade.
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And things have changed in a decade, right?
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And yet there are apps that are way behind
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and apps that don't support shortcuts.
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And we give them a lot of praise
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when they do a makeover of one of their apps,
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which is great, but I think it's interesting
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that they can only really ever manage it
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for one or two apps a year.
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And, you know, a third party app can't afford
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to go five years between major changes, right?
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Like they can't do it, but Apple thinks that they can.
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Maybe they can get away with it,
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talking about our previous conversation,
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but I think it's bad and I think it hurts the platform.
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So I am withholding that point for the fact
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that the software between macOS
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and their apps on Mac OS.
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And also like the indistinct sort of like weird situation
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they're in where it's unclear about like,
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what is catalyst and what is UI kit
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and where is this all going?
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Like, and the feeling among developers
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that it's not moving along as fast as they really want it to.
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Like there's just a lot there.
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So I can't, again, I was trained back in the day
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to not give five mice unless something was perfect.
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And the Mac is close, it's real close.
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It would be four and a half mice,
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But I'm gonna withhold that last point
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because the software side does,
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this is the truth,
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is Apple could not be doing a better job on Mac hardware.
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Could not be.
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It is amazing.
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And maybe the fact that people have caveats about the Mac
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should suggest to Apple
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where they need to put their attention.
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Like Apple is rapidly becoming a company
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that is not the synthesis of hardware and software,
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but great hardware let down by software.
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And that's not a really great brand to be.
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- So what you're saying is nothing is so perfect
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that it can't be complained about.
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- Nothing is so perfect that it gets five out of five,
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is what I would say.
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- Speaking of John Syracuse, it says every new Mac
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Apple introduced in 2021 was a hit.
00:51:20
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Alex Cox says, for the first time in years,
00:51:24
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I found myself reaching for my MacBook Pro
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instead of my iPad or my iPhone even to do small tasks.
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And Federica Vittucci says, the greatest compliment
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I can pay to Apple's renewed approach to the Mac is that for the first time in a decade,
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they've got an iPad user like myself interested in the Mac again.
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So let's do the iPhone.
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Got an A-minus 4.0 down from 4.3.
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I gave it a 4.
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I think I probably gave it a 5 last year.
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I would expect that I did.
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And that was why I graded it a 4.
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I really love ProMotion.
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I'm fine with the design being unchanged, but the other part for me as I mentioned,
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I think I mentioned on the show, I definitely mentioned Upgrade Plus, I have some issues
00:52:14
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with the scratchability of the screen because my screen is all scratched up and Lex Friedman
00:52:20
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says I think Apple's glass is getting a little less awesome over time.
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My 13 Pro shows more scratches and nicks than the other recent iPhones did, though no worse
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treatment through no worse treatment.
00:52:31
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I think this is that ceramic shield. Ceramic shield seems to, as I've been told this by
00:52:36
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somebody at Apple, protects against breakages, but actually opens it up to get scratched
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more. I'm not sure what is the right tradeoff for that. So I went for four. What would you
00:52:45
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rate the iPhone at this year?
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And I just point out that the iPhone scores track, they go up when it's like sales, right?
00:52:52
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They go up when there's a new model with new design.
00:52:54
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I think that makes sense, right? Because they're the big ones. That's when the biggest features,
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when it should be the most exciting.
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You know, I would have rated it higher last year
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'cause I love the design.
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And so like, I'm happy to keep it at a four
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because I love the design.
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I'm fine with it being unchanged.
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But aside from ProMotion,
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the iPhone 13 is kind of just like, you know.
00:53:15
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- Yeah, I'm not gonna score Apple down
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because it can't do a new design of the iPhone every year.
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I guess I get that there's an enthusiasm gap there.
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I'm gonna give it a four
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because I think nothing is so perfect, but also,
00:53:32
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there's issues, shortcuts again didn't work, right?
00:53:37
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Like there's some OS issues.
00:53:39
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I do think iPhone software is in a better place
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than Mac software is.
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I could see giving this a five.
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I'm also a little concerned about the future
00:53:47
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of the iPhone mini. - How can you ever give a five,
00:53:49
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Jason, with this,
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with this what you set out? - It could happen.
00:53:52
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- If nothing can be perfect, how can you ever score a five?
00:53:56
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it's just gotta be a magical moment.
00:53:58
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You really have to feel it, Myke.
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When one Dutch person loves another Dutch person very much.
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- That's a five, five out of five.
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- Five out of five.
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- Chrisuna Warren says,
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"Software quality does continue to get worse,
00:54:12
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particularly with things like autocorrect
00:54:14
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and the continued embarrassment that is Siri.
00:54:16
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iOS 14 was one of the worst iOS rollouts in history
00:54:19
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and iOS 15 is definitely better than that.
00:54:21
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From a hardware perspective, as good as the iPhone 13 is,
00:54:25
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It also feels like the weakest upgrade
00:54:26
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from the previous version that I can maybe ever remember.
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John Gruber says the iPhone 13
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are very nice year over year upgrades.
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The cameras are better than ever.
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Performance improved by typical margins
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while at the same time battery life improved too.
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Battery life is one of those things that I think,
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you know, I had to keep in mind as like,
00:54:45
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okay, this is another reason to keep the score good
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because that battery life improvement
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was significant across all the devices.
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and I was really happy about that at the time,
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but it's easy to forget about over time
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because you just get used to your phone being better.
00:54:59
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- Yeah, I mean, I'm not a big fan
00:55:00
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if I look at the big picture here of the fact
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that I had to choose between my small size phone
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and the third camera and the promotion display.
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And I did choose.
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And I understand why those differentiators are there,
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but I don't have to like it.
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And I will like it even less next year
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when I can't buy a phone.
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- Next year they'll make you choose
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'cause it just won't exist.
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- Wait for my score next year.
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- It's gonna be a mini score.
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for a mini phone.
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iPad B grade, 3.7 out of five, both years in a row.
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I was generous and gave it a four purely because
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of how much I adore the iPad mini.
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I would have probably, without the iPad mini,
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I'd probably be at a two out of five this year,
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but the iPad mini is so perfect for me.
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I went with a four and there's actually,
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I'll get to your score in a moment
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'cause there's a couple of people who agree with me,
00:55:54
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Steven Aquino being one of them.
00:55:56
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I'm very excited by the new iPad mini.
00:55:58
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After years experiment of using an iPad
00:56:00
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as a laptop replacement, the redesigned mini
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feels like just what I'm looking for
00:56:04
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out of a tablet these days.
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Federico said that I'm glad they revived this product
00:56:10
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in 2021, but I just hope we won't have to wait three years
00:56:13
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for another update, which is the problem.
00:56:16
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What is your score for the iPad 2021?
00:56:19
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I'm similarly conflicted because I think the hardware updates were good, although I...
00:56:27
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Which hardware update do you highlight?
00:56:28
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Do you highlight the existence of the iPad mini, which really is a remarkable piece of
00:56:32
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It's so good.
00:56:35
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Or do you highlight the M1 iPad Pro that sort of is just like the old one, even though it's
00:56:40
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got an M1 in it now, it's really just...
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- Well, if you don't mind me interrupting...
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- The display is great.
00:56:46
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depending on which hardware you highlight,
00:56:48
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tells a very different story,
00:56:49
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because the iPad Mini is this great hardware
00:56:52
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that runs iPad OS.
00:56:53
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How amazing is that?
00:56:54
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Like this tiny hardware,
00:56:56
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and it can run with the full power of iPad OS.
00:56:58
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Or you say, "Look at the iPad Pro,
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"it has an M1 chip in it,
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"and it only runs what we have in iPad OS."
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It's like two very different outcomes
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for running through the same track.
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- Yeah, so I'm gonna give it a three.
00:57:12
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- I think that's perfectly fair.
00:57:14
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I love the iPad mini, I think it is great.
00:57:18
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I bought an M1 iPad Pro 12.9 and I love it
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and the screen is great.
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Apple loses a lot of my enthusiasm for the iPad
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with the fact that iPadOS is coming along so slowly.
00:57:30
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They haven't shipped Pro apps for it.
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They haven't come up with an external display solution.
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They, you know, it's just, what is the iPad gonna be?
00:57:39
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You've had an iPad Pro now for a very long time
00:57:42
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And yet is the iPad, one of my commenters said,
00:57:45
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it seems to be settling in, was it David Sparks, I think,
00:57:48
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who said, I've come to a new understanding with the iPad.
00:57:53
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And essentially what he means there is it's an in-between
00:57:56
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product between the Mac and the iPhone
00:57:58
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and not like another product that can do everything
00:58:02
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that the Mac can do.
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And I think that I am disappointed by that
00:58:05
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because I think the iPad should do more than it does
00:58:08
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and be an alternative as Federico would say
00:58:10
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better than anyone.
00:58:11
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It's another kind of computing device
00:58:14
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that has a lot of benefits,
00:58:15
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including touch and including portability.
00:58:17
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And the app story on them is quite good.
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It has a lot going for it.
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And it's frustrating if its creator sees all
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that it has going for it and says,
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"Yes, but it's still sort of lesser."
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- Yeah, I'm definitely on that David Sparks train.
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Like it's like almost Zen way of thinking.
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But David said, "I no longer judge it
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by what I want it to be,
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but instead what it actually is.
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And that's kind of how I feel about the iPad in general now.
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- This is what hit me in the feels was,
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I realized Apple looks at the iPad
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as something between the iPhone and the Mac and no more.
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So now I'm only using the iPad for things
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the iPad is good at
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and no longer trying to move mountains with a shovel.
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And on one level, it's like, yes,
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that's probably the right thing to do.
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On the other level, it's like, why is it that way?
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Why has Apple decided either through its action or inaction
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that that's what it needs to do with the iPad,
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is sort of just sort of let it be in the middle.
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- It shouldn't be that way,
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but I have definitely decided to stop fighting it,
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and I'm happier this way,
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but I understand why people want, I mean, especially--
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- That's the secret.
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- People like Federico, right? - Give up.
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- Just give up and they'll be happier that way.
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So we move now into wearables.
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So this is, there's kind of two categories in one, right?
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Wearables and Apple Watch.
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I think initially they were together
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and you split them out, is that correct?
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- Yeah, I launched the survey when the Apple Watch existed.
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And then what Apple did is they broke out wearables
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as its own category and included things like AirPods.
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And I realized I probably wanted a wearables category
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and not an Apple Watch category,
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but I also didn't wanna give up the historical value
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of the Apple Watch question.
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So now I asked two questions.
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How do you feel about wearables, including Apple Watch?
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And how do you feel about Apple Watch?
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And I chart them both.
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And so, you know, you get a sense of this time.
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I mean, the wearable score has always been higher
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than the Apple Watch score.
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And I think that's because Apple Watch has figured
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into the wearable score,
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but then they also throw them in like AirPods
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and people like AirPods.
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- I mean, for me, I judge it as AirPods in wearables
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and then Apple Watch on its own.
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That's how I always think of this category.
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- Well, you're not reading the instructions
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which say wearables includes Apple Watch, but that's fine.
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At some point I will probably--
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- Jason, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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Like for me personally,
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why would I score the Apple Watch inside of a category
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and then also scale it on its own?
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Like to me that doesn't make any sense.
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- At some point, because of people like you,
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I will just drop asking the Apple Watch question
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and only ask wearables.
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- Maybe the problem is people like you
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asking a weird question.
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Anyway, A minus.
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- Yeah, it's always the questioners who are at fault,
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not the answerers.
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- category 4.0 again, year over year, no change.
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I went with a three for me, this is status quo, honestly.
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It's just kind of like, yep, okay, fine.
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Everything's the same.
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What did you give, what would you give for wearables?
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Obviously including the Apple Watch,
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'cause that's the way it makes sense.
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- Yeah, I think your three for status quo
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is probably about right.
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I think Apple, I bought a new Apple Watch this year
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and I like it.
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I like the bigger screen and the brighter always on
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and all of that.
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Like I actually think that I'm enthusiastic
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about the latest series seven.
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Are we up to now?
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I don't know.
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- We're on seven now, yeah.
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- Yeah, I like it.
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I think it's good.
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And just because Apple's being incremental,
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I think it was actually a pretty nice update.
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And AirPods, you know, they did the new AirPods
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that are depending on how they fit your ears,
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you're either enthusiastic about or not enthusiastic about.
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Yeah, not a lot of change in this category.
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And so I could go back and forth on it.
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'Cause I think how's Apple doing in wearables?
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I think it's doing really well.
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How was the year and was there new stuff this year
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and all that?
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Well, there wasn't.
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So what do I grade it on?
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If I'm grading it on, was there new stuff?
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Yeah, it's kind of a middle of the road.
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If I'm grading on how well I think they're doing
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with the wearables business,
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I would probably give it a four.
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- The Apple Watch is a B at 3.6 down from 3.8.
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I went with a three.
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I like the Apple Watch Series 7 a lot.
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I actually liked the bigger screen.
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I think it looks really nice.
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I like the keyboard that they added.
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I think that's really smart.
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But I wanted more from the design,
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you know, it says at the time,
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I'm over the rounded edge design.
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And I was really hoping this was the year
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that they were gonna change that, but they didn't.
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So for me, it's kind of balanced out as a three out of five.
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- I'm gonna say four here,
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just because I do like the Series 7 a lot.
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I don't mind that it's the same recognizable shape.
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The fact that I can use Apple Watch as a platform, right?
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Like I've got a cellular model,
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I can see it really clearly in the daylight.
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I love the always on display.
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And I go for runs with this.
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Like I go for runs where I'm running an app
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that's doing running intervals
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and broadcast actually is streaming audio to my AirPods
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as I run while intervals is telling me when to run
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and when to walk and when to run.
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And like, that's amazing.
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And honestly, when we talk about software quality
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and we're gonna talk more about it in a bit,
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that's all been solid for me the last year.
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I've actually not had frustrations like I used to have
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where, I mean, other than the fact that when my watch
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sees my wifi network, it seems to say,
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"Oh, I'll stop playing your audio now when I get home,"
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which I find very weird.
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Like I'm playing the audio.
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You can keep playing it even though we're home.
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I'm not, I haven't taken my headphones out yet.
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But in general, it's just, I'm kind of amazed
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that I have the ability to do that.
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And people send me messages.
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And I was listening to Connected Live while running
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and just out in the middle of Mill Valley.
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and I sent a text message to Steven
01:06:14
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to correct something you said.
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- Still doesn't make any sense to me.
01:06:19
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- Well, it's 'cause I wanted it during the show
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and not after the show when your Do Not Disturb turns off.
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It's pretty easy.
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I wanna, you see, this is my method, Myke,
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is I wanna affect the show.
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I wanna be in the show.
01:06:32
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- Yeah, a lot of people like to try and affect Connected.
01:06:34
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This is a trend of the show.
01:06:36
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- It's a triple J plot is basically what it is.
01:06:39
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Anyway, so I'll give it a four because I did buy a new one
01:06:41
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and I really like it and I'm very impressed.
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And I actually think the state of the Apple Watch platform
01:06:45
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is okay, I'm getting what I want out of the apps.
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I wish there were custom watch faces and stuff.
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Look, it's not a five, nothing is perfect,
01:06:51
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but I'll give it a four.
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- John Maltz really likes the third generation AirPods
01:06:54
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and a strong improvement over the previous model.
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Alison Sheridan says the Apple Watch Series 7 was panned
01:07:00
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as not having breakthrough features,
01:07:01
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but the increase in screen size
01:07:03
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was a huge increase in usability.
01:07:06
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- And I like what Christina Warren said
01:07:08
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about the Apple Watches,
01:07:08
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the Apple Watch update this year was boring,
01:07:10
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but the Apple watch is still wearable to beat.
01:07:13
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And that's just a fact.
01:07:18
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- C grade, 3.1 up from 2.1.
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You're over here, the biggest jump
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in the scorecard this year.
01:07:26
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- I've seen some people say,
01:07:27
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"Oh my God, why did people like the Apple TV so much?"
01:07:30
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And I'll just point out the Apple TV
01:07:32
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was a very, very low grade
01:07:34
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and it's come up to a C grade.
01:07:36
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So not, it went up a whole point, huge,
01:07:39
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the biggest mover in the whole survey,
01:07:41
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but it's not like it went from good to great.
01:07:45
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It went from bad to okay.
01:07:48
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And I gotta say,
01:07:50
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what is the value of a new remote control?
01:07:52
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Friends, the value is one point
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in the Apple report cards.
01:07:58
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- It's so good that remote,
01:07:59
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like I've internalized it now,
01:08:00
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which is the remote and it's excellent.
01:08:03
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I gave it a three, four because of the remote.
01:08:06
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Otherwise it would have been maybe a one
01:08:09
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because just like they're not really doing anything.
01:08:11
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Like Federico said this, it's so true.
01:08:13
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If you were to ask me to recall what's new in TVOS 15
01:08:16
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at the top of my head,
01:08:17
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I don't think I'd be able to answer that.
01:08:19
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He's not doing anything anymore, really.
01:08:22
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- Yeah, again, we come back to whether it's about the year
01:08:27
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or how they're doing and how you, everybody's gonna,
01:08:30
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like I could have voted this a two, a three or a four,
01:08:34
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quite honestly, because this was the year
01:08:37
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I went all in on Apple TV. That remote prompted me to cut the cord, get a new receiver for my
01:08:46
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speakers, and everything we watch in the house is now on the Apple TV. Everything. We are all
01:08:54
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Apple TV with one remote. It's the new Apple TV remote. So on that level, I actually am pretty
01:09:01
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happy with Apple TV. I think it does what I—for what I do, I think it does a good job.
01:09:06
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However, we just posted—and it's a member post, but I actually unlocked it for everybody—Joe
01:09:12
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Steele wrote a piece for Six Colors last week about universal search on Apple TV, which is
01:09:16
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amazing and true, which is there are pieces of it where it's just like, it's bad. And the question
01:09:22
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is, like, does Apple care that it's bad? It feels like Apple TV doesn't have the resources to fix a
01:09:28
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fix a lot of its software problems. If you stay in some very tight constraints, which
01:09:32
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I try to do because I've been taught basically not to go outside them, I think it does a
01:09:38
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pretty good job. But the reason I'm going to give it three and be generous in giving
01:09:44
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it three is there are lots of software issues and app interactions. I love these apps that
01:09:50
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have built their own multi-view. It's really great. Watch two things at once, four things
01:09:54
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►
it once great for sports, especially ESPN has it, Fubo has it. TVOS 15, I believe, introduced
01:10:01
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a new picture-in-picture system, or maybe it was 14, but apps don't support it, and
01:10:08
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the multiview apps don't support it, and it just, it frustrates me that if I've got the
01:10:12
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Olympics on Peacock and a soccer match on Paramount Plus, I really want to do a, like,
01:10:21
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by two of the video from them, and I don't think either of those apps support picture
01:10:27
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in picture. So like I've got some frustration with new features in the OS being supported.
01:10:33
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Obviously the player, they introduced a new player UI that everybody's building like their
01:10:38
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own player UIs. Some of them are good, some of them are terrible. There's a lot of work
01:10:42
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to be done here, and yes, in terms of the competition, like my understanding, I haven't
01:10:48
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seen it in a while, but the Google TV stuff is actually getting pretty good. I have a
01:10:52
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Roku and a Fire TV stick, and I gotta say, I think the Roku stuff is okay. I think the
01:11:01
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Amazon stuff is real bad. Like, you can do everything, but the interface to it is like
01:11:08
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you're on Amazon.com. I hate it so much. I think Apple, interface-wise, is really pleasant,
01:11:16
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I think that their solution to a lot of the app development issues and things like that,
01:11:21
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I think it's pretty good. But it's too expensive and so even though I like it and I'm actually
01:11:27
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very happy with my Apple TV, I think that Apple is not paying enough attention and it's
01:11:31
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not being aggressive enough in getting people into the box, especially now that you can
01:11:35
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watch Apple stuff on other platforms.
01:11:37
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David Pembroke - Yep. Guillermo Rambo says the new Apple TV 4K, especially the new remote
01:11:41
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is a huge improvement over the previous model. However, I'd like a more powerful chip in
01:11:46
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Apple TV since the software seems to struggle quite a bit. Which is just this
01:11:50
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is an interesting take for me because I mean I'm just not you I'm clearly just
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not using the software that Kim is using. Like I'm assuming this is like more
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powerful stuff maybe games or something like that but I could imagine it's
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starting to get a little bit long in the tooth if that's the stuff you're doing.
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Yeah yeah it's it's a it's a funny one like again as my monologue just said I
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I actually think that there are aspects of Apple TV
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that are really good.
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My problem with it is mostly, I think, momentum.
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Like I think they built a pretty good product
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and that Apple, and by fixing the remote,
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Apple has gotten to a pretty good place,
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especially with software support from developers.
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But it really feels like not enough attention
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is being given to it and that it could be a lot better.
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And some of that I think is a victim of Apple's inattention
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and some of it I think is a victim of Apple
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having some grand designs.
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I think Netflix not being part of the data sharing system
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really kneecaps Apple.
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And Netflix is sharing data on some other platforms,
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but not on Apple TV.
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- This is Apple and its partnerships, right?
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They should be going to Netflix and saying,
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"Netflix, what will it take?"
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- Yeah, what do we need to do?
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because I'll tell you the TV app,
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we joke about the TV app and it was bad for a long time.
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- I love the TV app.
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- I use the TV app all the time.
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I use the up next in the TV app to see my next episodes.
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- All the time I do this.
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- It shows me when live sports is on.
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Like there's a lot of good stuff in that TV app,
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except you know what?
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- It's not even just Netflix.
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There's like a bunch of stuff that isn't there.
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But for us, most of the services that we watch
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do integrate with it, Netflix doesn't.
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And it's like, what is it going to take?
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Like do what it's going to take, like just do it, right?
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Like I'm already using Netflix.
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Like don't protect me, you don't need to protect me.
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- Your big business machinations
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are directly impacting this product.
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And as a user of the product, I don't care.
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You are adults, you two giant corporations, figure it out.
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Find a way to compromise so that the users of this platform
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actually can have the Netflix content in that app
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because it's gonna make Apple's platform better.
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And I know like Netflix doesn't wanna share information
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with Apple and all that.
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It's like, work it out, work it out.
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Find a way to work where Apple doesn't get everything
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at once, Netflix doesn't get everything at once,
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but the Netflix experience is better on Apple TV.
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And they should both be motivated because I'll tell you,
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as somebody who uses Apple TV as my primary,
01:14:29
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I have stopped using Netflix.
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Well, not stopped entirely,
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but like my Netflix use is dramatically decreased
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because when I'm shopping for shows in the TV app,
01:14:39
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guess what's not there?
01:14:40
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- Yeah, I agree with you actually.
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- And so I don't think about it.
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- I have to think to go and open Netflix.
01:14:45
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- Let's open Netflix and see what is there.
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And if Netflix's grand strategy is,
01:14:48
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well, we just wanna be number one.
01:14:50
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It's like, well, guess what guys?
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You're not number one.
01:14:52
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You're part of a larger world.
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And on Apple TV,
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the rest of the world is in the TV app and you're not.
01:14:57
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And from Apple's perspective,
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your product is worse 'cause Netflix is bad on it.
01:15:01
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Like, working out people.
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So I hope they do.
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Services, B grade, 3.6 down from four.
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I don't really understand why for this one,
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maybe you can help me.
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Like I don't really know why services could go down.
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So I gave it a four because I was really surprised this year
01:15:21
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that when we did the upgrade-ies,
01:15:22
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most of my favorite TV shows were on Apple TV Plus
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and I would not have expected that from them this soon.
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- Services is what you make of it, is what I would say.
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So if you view it as, hey, how's Apple doing with services?
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And you use some of Apple services
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and you're like, I like them, they're good.
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And I think that's like, I use Apple Music,
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I use Apple TV Plus, but if you want,
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I even use iCloud more than I used to.
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But if you wanna be a negative Nelly,
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you could do that too, right?
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'Cause you're like, News Plus is kind of a nothing.
01:15:57
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iCloud storage tiers, they're too small for the price
01:16:02
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and the free tier is still embarrassing.
01:16:04
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But then I go, for me, I'm on the positive side of this.
01:16:09
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'Cause not only do I think Apple services
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are more good than bad,
01:16:13
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that it used to be that Apple doing services was a joke
01:16:17
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and now it's very, very serious
01:16:19
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and they do a good job with most of them, not all of them.
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Like Fitness Plus is good.
01:16:23
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Apple Arcade really figured it out this year.
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- With the classics and the App Store greats
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and bringing that stuff back
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while also still commissioning some other stuff.
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Like is Apple Arcade the greatest service ever?
01:16:35
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No, but I use, I'm playing Apple Arcade games
01:16:38
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all the time now. - I think they found
01:16:39
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a better mix now of like these big, broad commission stuff
01:16:43
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plus a bunch of just like good iPhone games.
01:16:47
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- Apple TV Plus is better than I expected it would be.
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Honestly, it's a lot better.
01:16:53
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So I think there's a lot going for it.
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I also understand people who might vote this lower
01:16:57
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because there's some uneasiness about Apple
01:16:59
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focusing on services.
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And I get all of that, but I would say, I think that they,
01:17:06
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I mean, I also use the Apple card and I use Apple Pay
01:17:08
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and I use Apple Pay Cash and like I'm in the US.
01:17:10
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So I'm at the core for all of that.
01:17:13
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But like, I feel like they're doing a pretty good job,
01:17:16
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not perfect, but better than I expected.
01:17:19
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And we remember when iCloud
01:17:21
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and Apple Cloud strategy was a joke
01:17:24
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and they're actually pretty good.
01:17:25
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Oh, Apple lost listen Apple music,
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multi-channel audio in Apple music this year.
01:17:32
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Like there is so much stuff, custom domains
01:17:35
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for iCloud email, which I'm not gonna use,
01:17:37
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but you know, they're doing stuff.
01:17:39
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Like in fact, I think you could argue
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that Apple is paying way more attention to services
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than they are to software right now,
01:17:45
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which is not great for software,
01:17:47
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but I think they've done a pretty good job.
01:17:49
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So yeah, even though it's not perfect,
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I think it's pretty good.
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- Well, I think what you just said
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about they're paying more attention to services
01:17:56
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than software might be one of the reasons
01:17:58
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that some people grade it down a little bit.
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- Sure, absolutely.
01:18:00
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And again, people can do it again,
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that they're right to do that if they want to.
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It really is how do you feel?
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It is a measure of sentiment.
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So if you don't like services
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because you feel like Apple is sort of
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misguidedly focusing on them, grade them down.
01:18:14
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It gets in there, it gets in the scores.
01:18:16
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- Casey Liss says, "For the most part,
01:18:17
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"I'm pleased with Apple's services.
01:18:19
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"I don't love that they're becoming
01:18:20
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"an ever larger priority for Apple.
01:18:23
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and I feel like I'm continually being nickeled and dimed about everything.
01:18:26
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That's true, right? Like, they won't stop telling me about all the things that they want me to get
01:18:32
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the money for. And then on a different side, James Thompson says iCloud has been very unreliable from
01:18:38
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a developer perspective since the autumn OS updates. This is something I wasn't really aware
01:18:42
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of, and James was telling me about it the other day, that there's been serious sinking problems
01:18:46
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of iCloud. Yeah, I actually, so I first heard about this through Becky Hansmeyer, I want to say,
01:18:55
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who's a developer and a great Twitter follower, by the way, because it's Cute Animals and Yarn and
01:19:03
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an App Development Commentary. It's a great, it's like, it's awesome. Becky's an accountant.
01:19:09
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But she was complaining about how, like, she's got apps that rely on iCloud. It's like,
01:19:15
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it doesn't work. It doesn't work." And then that started a bunch of Twitter developer type people
01:19:23
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started tweeting about it. And it sounds like maybe they actually bumped the jukebox and got
01:19:30
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Apple to be like, "Huh? What? Huh? Oh." So that may be since this survey was taken, I think maybe
01:19:35
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Apple is aware of the issue and has made a statement about it. Anyway, maybe this is in
01:19:41
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in process. But yeah, it was apparently iCloud was unreliable and any app that was sinking
01:19:46
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its data store with iCloud was getting errors and it was very frustrating for developers.
01:19:51
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And I think that's, it's funny because it used to be, you just be, of course, but I,
01:19:55
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I think this actually illustrates that, that iCloud is much more of a solid product than
01:19:58
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it used to be. And it's actually, people are relying on it now. So when something goes
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wrong, they get really upset. It used to be when something went wrong with iCloud, you're
01:20:06
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like, look, it's iCloud. What do you expect? But I think they expect more now. And, and
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So we move into the doldrums of the homekit category.
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Oh boo boo boo.
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Lowest score, yes.
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Down from 3.1.
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I gave it a 1.
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this is my lowest score.
01:22:32
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I don't understand what they're doing over there.
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I mean, honestly, it feels like they're doing nothing
01:22:38
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is what they're doing.
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And I genuinely hope that the reason
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is that they're working on something.
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Like that can be my only real hope with this.
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- Yeah, I'm gonna give it a two, but I agree with you.
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I use HomeKit stuff and it works,
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but I also use HomeBridge to bridge it.
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I've had some HomeKit, weird HomeKit errors
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that I can't decide whether it's my network or HomeKit,
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but that's part of the problem
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is that it doesn't really tell you.
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I do rely on HomeKit for some stuff
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and it does work for that stuff.
01:23:12
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I also like the fact that Apple is moving
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toward this system where they're gonna have thread radios
01:23:16
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and everything and then the matter spec is coming out,
01:23:19
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but it's not out yet and it wasn't out in 2021.
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So I think they're poised to maybe do more here
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and that's good 'cause there's not a lot here.
01:23:29
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Like they built that set, but to what end?
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And then several people pointed out,
01:23:35
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I think it's Federico said they have this HomePod mini,
01:23:38
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but it's not a mini of anything
01:23:41
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'cause the old HomePod is gone
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and the old HomePods are dying
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and there's nothing to replace them.
01:23:45
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So people who invested in the HomePod architecture
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and system are like, well, what do I do now?
01:23:52
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Again, for a couple of years,
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it's felt like Apple was about to turn the corner
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on the home stuff.
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and it hasn't happened yet.
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Also a lot of hate for the home app in there,
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and I feel that the home app is also not that great.
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So, you know, I think this is really an interesting area
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where Apple needs to decide, are they really in this
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or are they just gonna abandon it
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and let third parties integrate with matter
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and deal with that.
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But it's ugly, it's an ugly category.
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And I should also say,
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there was optimism in this category for a long time.
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It went up most years between 2015 and 2020
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to a high of 3.1.
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Everybody's kind of come off their optimism in 2021
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and it's back down.
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- Alison Sheridan says,
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"The Home app really and truly needs to be redesigned
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from the ground up."
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- Speaking of Apple apps that aren't very good
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and that need attention.
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- Alex Cox says,
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"HomeKit could position itself as the home OS
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for people who care about their privacy,
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but Apple needs a smart hub that's more robust
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and reliable than the HomePod mini."
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They need one with a screen.
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That's what they need.
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- Well, they need,
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I think Apple needs to make some products in this category
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and they also need to make their home interface better.
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And who knows,
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maybe there's a screen bearing HomePod out there
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and that part of that product is a redesign of the home app
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and it's all gonna come together.
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The problem is I think looking at the survey
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like the panelists, I'm kind of over waiting for it.
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I hope they do it,
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but we've been waiting for some movement in that category
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for a long time.
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Hardware reliability got an A, 4.5 out of five again.
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I gave it a four 'cause I have my particular bug there
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about scratches on my iPhone screen.
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But overall, I feel like all of the hardware that I'm using,
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I have no big problems with it.
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What would you grade this category as?
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- This is tough 'cause some people are doing
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like their personal experience with it.
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Some of it it's like their observations of all of that.
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I do think that this year it really can only be
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to knock it down to be personal experiences
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'cause there hasn't been like a thing this year, you know?
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Like no gates.
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- No gates, David Sparks pointed that out.
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No gates in 2021.
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Yeah, I'll give it a four 'cause nothing is so perfect.
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I actually, I can't decide whether this gives it,
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well, I thought about a five.
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So the question, a lot of people mentioned
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AirPod Pro replacement program that's scratchy.
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- That's not a 2021 thing.
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That's like a 2020 thing.
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- No, but it's ongoing.
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Mine were replaced in 2021.
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But I think what I would say is when you've got a problem
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with a product and you go into the Apple store
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and they just give you the new product, it's pretty good.
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Like, I know it's not just,
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you're rolling in some customer service in there.
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In fact, one of the quotes that I thought
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was most interesting is Gabe Weatherhead said,
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"AppleCare is part of the hardware reliability.
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The hardware rarely fails, but when it does,
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I can be pretty confident that it's not the end of life
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because I have AppleCare and the new keyboards are nice.
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Everybody's still basking in the glow
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of killing all the butterfly keyboards and that's all fine.
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But I do think there's something to be said.
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AppleCare is not always great, but it helps.
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And I repaired two old butterfly keyboard era laptops
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this year too through Apple
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and was fairly happy with that process.
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- I think that the AirPods replacement program
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really is like, we should raise the score, not lower it.
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Because when you do that,
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you get a little bit of actual life out of your AirPod too,
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because bit more battery, you know?
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- Yeah, I think you could judge it either way.
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You could say it is a failure,
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or you could say it's a success
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because they fixed their failure and you get new ones.
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- I had someone tell me once recently,
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I don't remember what it was in relation to,
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that apparently there was a revision to the AirPods
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Pro to stop this from happening at some point like the issue.
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Yeah somebody we were talking about we were speculating about that and somebody said that
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they seem to have made some sort of a change midstream to try and prevent this from continuing.
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Yeah because I think it was when we were talking about AirPods Pro 2 and I think that was one
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of the things I mentioned that maybe they would do something to stop the inevitable
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It is an actual inevitable failure, basically,
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of every Apple Pro that it will, at a certain point,
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that one of the ears, usually the right one,
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but not always, will start to rattle,
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make like a rattling noise.
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Software quality, B minus 3.4 down from 3.5.
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I gave this a four because I think that really,
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and Christina Warren put it so greatly earlier,
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compared to last year, this has been fine.
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What's funny is that the software quality score last year wasn't bad, and it came down
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slightly from that after a big sort of like seesaw back and forth.
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But you're right, it was, you know, it was not, other than the Safari, you know, summer
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of Safari that happened.
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But I don't have a problem with that, because like it didn't come out.
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There's a mark in its favor, I feel like, because Apple were listening to the feedback
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and they adjusted course quite a lot.
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Shortcuts, quality issues were not great.
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Yeah, Rosemary pointed that out.
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A couple of people did, but Rosemary said that shortcuts clearly needs extra support,
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which I agree with.
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A bunch of people pointed out Rosetta 2, which basically just doing it and not...
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To go through a chip transition and essentially not worry about it, that's an invisible but
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very impressive bit of software engineering.
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We remember the Intel transition, and when you were downloading software, you would be
01:29:51
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very careful to check, like, is this a universal binary?
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I do not ever think about this with the Apple Silicon transition.
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I don't care.
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I'm assuming that at some point I'm going to get the Apple Silicon version, but if I
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have an Intel version, it does not matter.
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I can't tell, you know, so it's great.
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- Yeah, I'm gonna give it a three.
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- And I'm being generous.
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- The stuff that I said before goes,
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there is too much Apple software that is covered in dust
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and some of it is infested with bugs.
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And there are bugs, there are little bugs everywhere.
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I run into bugs all the time on my iPad,
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I run into them all the time on my iPhone,
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I run them all the time on my back.
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I can do my job.
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I'm not, you know, my systems aren't crashing
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and stuff usually,
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but there's a lot of weird stuff going on.
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Plus, yeah, introducing shortcuts.
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That was a mistake to not label it a beta,
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and I appreciate that they fixed a lot of those issues,
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but there was a lot going on there.
01:30:49
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Like, I wanna pat them on the back
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for their OS update being not cataclysmic,
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but geez, that is not a high bar.
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Like, good job, you shipped an OS
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that people aren't avoiding,
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which, you know, if you talk to a lot of administrators,
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Big Sur, they kind of avoided it. A lot of people avoided it. And then they're embracing Monterey.
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Well, you know why it wasn't so bad last year? Because '13 was even worse. iOS '13 was even
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worse than iOS '14. Yeah. So I can't give them a higher score than this because of all the stuff
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around the edges. If this was OS quality, I might give it a little bit higher. But even then, the
01:31:26
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OS or OS update experience or something like that, but Apple has a software problem. I think Apple
01:31:33
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has a software problem at its core. It is not able to maintain the software that it thinks it
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needs to have on its platforms at an acceptable level. And it's really only got two decisions
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to make there. It either needs, well, I guess, and then the non-decision, it either needs to
01:31:49
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abandon things and say, "We're not going to do this anymore," or it needs to pay people to do
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the work. Imagine, like, I know that Apple software is not indie software, like, not
01:32:02
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even close, but like, I can't imagine that Apple couldn't afford to hire and build some
01:32:07
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small teams that stay on a product, show it, and I know they do this for some products,
01:32:11
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right? Stay on a product, show it love, or always thinking about the next thing and have
01:32:15
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a trajectory to it like shortcuts actually does. And like, sometimes I see that from
01:32:18
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notes and reminders in some areas, not in others, but like every Apple product, if you're
01:32:23
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going to have it, somebody should care about it and be pushing it forward all the time.
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And I get the sense that if there is somebody assigned to some of these products, they're
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not allowed to put time into it. They have to do some other stuff instead, or they're
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understaffed. They don't have the people required to do it. So the other option is the inaction
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option, which is where they are, which is stuff just lays there. And the problem is
01:32:48
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that when Apple has products in their operating system especially, it dissuades anyone else
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from building a product like it because Apple already built it. Even if it's no good or
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old or updated, there's always the threat that Apple's going to come in strong and blow
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you out of the water. So I think it's been like this for a decade now and it's not gotten
01:33:10
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any better. And I think it's one of the areas that Apple really needs to improve on is,
01:33:16
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Are you in or are you out?
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And if you're in, fund it.
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Fund people to do it.
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And I don't care where they are.
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They don't need to be in Cupertino for some small app that's on a couple of platforms.
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Put them in Pittsburgh, put them in Cleveland.
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I don't care.
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Put them in Ottawa, put them in Mexico City, put them in Tokyo, put them in Copenhagen.
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Like I literally don't care.
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Just put them somewhere and say, "You know what?
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The only app you care about is this app."
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And make it better every year.
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And I just don't feel if that is their current strategy,
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something is wrong with it.
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'Cause it's not showing.
01:33:51
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- Developer relations, C minus 2.8 down from 3.1.
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- I'd like to refer you to our previous conversation.
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- I wish. - I wish.
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- I gave it a two.
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I would have given it a one, right?
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Like if this news would have come out before
01:34:05
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that we were talking about earlier,
01:34:06
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but my comments is the same basically like,
01:34:09
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I just feel like at this point,
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Apple would prefer to fight in court every single developer rather than give up their
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30% and I don't understand why they want to go to this trouble realistically. I feel like
01:34:24
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as you, you know, you so rightly put and you put it today, I think I can understand why
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Apple specifically are this way, but at the same time can't understand why anyone in their
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position would do this. Like I understand you would do this if you were a company that
01:34:40
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really needed the money, but they just don't. And I don't understand what the point is anymore.
01:34:46
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Well, and it's not just a matter of like, do they need the money? Well, of course, they're
01:34:49
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a corporation. The issue is that they're taking huge risks and alienating people for money
01:34:54
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that probably isn't worth it, at least from the outside looking at it. It's like, why
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is this the thing that you're doing to make everybody angry at you?
01:35:01
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They do not need the money because there's a bunch of stuff that goes into the iPhone
01:35:05
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costs them money that they don't charge people for, right?
01:35:09
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But this is one thing where they feel like they have to,
01:35:12
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and I don't understand why.
01:35:14
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- I'm gonna give this a two.
01:35:16
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And I was actually vacillating between a three and a two,
01:35:21
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and here's why.
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Everything we've said before is about Apple saying,
01:35:25
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essentially, we wanna suck as much money
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out of developers as possible.
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They owe us for building this wonderful platform.
01:35:34
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And as I've said before, Apple owes them
01:35:37
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for building the iPhone and iPad to being what they are,
01:35:39
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and yet it doesn't give a percentage
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of its revenue back to them.
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So maybe lighten up a little bit.
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And arguing in court things that make developers look
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and feel bad is also unpleasant.
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The reason I'm giving it two is,
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and this is something that James Thompson mentioned,
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Actually, the group inside Apple that's not involved
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in legal issues and is working on virtual WWDCs,
01:36:12
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the new Tech Talk system, ways of integrating
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without having people in person,
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ways of communicating between people at Apple
01:36:24
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and the developers, they've done a lot
01:36:26
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of really good work there.
01:36:28
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Like so good that it actually helps me think
01:36:32
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that WWDC will never be what it was before.
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And if they do anything ever again,
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it'll be like a media event.
01:36:38
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And we talked about that before.
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It'll be like the keynote will become a media event
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in Cupertino, but they're never gonna get
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the developers together again,
01:36:46
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because they've been building some stuff
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that everything I hear is good about it.
01:36:50
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And that said, there are also all of the,
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as I think Casey Listz mentioned at one point,
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there are all of the documentation problems.
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There are lots of other issues going on here
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that draw it down, the fact that the store is,
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we need the money because we need to patrol the store
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and yet there's lots of scammy apps in stores
01:37:09
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while developers get in trouble and get their apps rejected.
01:37:12
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And then these scammy subscription apps just slide on in
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and knock off apps like Apple not doing its job
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that it's supposedly getting the money for.
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All of that is bad.
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The reason I'm giving it a two instead of a one
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is mostly that little glimmer,
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which is there's part of Apple that's actually,
01:37:28
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I think doing right by developers
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and is building something that will be good
01:37:33
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on an ongoing basis and shows that there's some hope
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on that part, on all the other parts, it's bad.
01:37:41
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- That's why I think it's a 2.8.
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'Cause like that 0.8 is people like James,
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people like Rich Segal who said a similar thing.
01:37:51
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- It's like, yeah, the people I work with at Apple
01:37:52
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about this stuff are doing a good job.
01:37:54
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- And so it helps raise the score
01:37:57
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because for me as somebody who does not deal with anyone
01:38:00
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at Apple in this part of the organization at all,
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I only see what they choose to put out in the world
01:38:05
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and the face that they paint to the world
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is their ugliest face when it comes to this stuff I think.
01:38:12
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- Yeah, as Paul Kufasa said,
01:38:13
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"Apple can afford to be magnanimous
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yet they're being tight fisted, yuck."
01:38:18
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Social and societal impact is the final category
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in the scorecard.
01:38:25
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I know this seems like a weird category,
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but over the years,
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Apple always talks about holding itself to a higher standard
01:38:31
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and believing in lots of things
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and wanting to make the world a better place.
01:38:33
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There are always controversies about Apple,
01:38:35
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whether it's about their factories
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or how they treat their workers around the world
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or their work from home policies,
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or there's so much that goes in here.
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And that's why I keep a real light touch on it
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and just say social and societal impact.
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Because I feel like Apple brought this up.
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Apple talks about it, wants to make the world a better place,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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So let's see how they're doing.
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And this is a score that has gone down almost every year.
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It went up a little bit last year.
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It's back down this year.
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It's trended down the entire time
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I've been running the survey.
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- And this is the one that you very rightly call
01:39:11
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the Rorschach test, right?
01:39:14
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- You see in it what people put.
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I gave them a four, and then after I read the comments,
01:39:21
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I wished I would have scored it down a bit more.
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I think I was too generous.
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I think I would have preferred to go with a three.
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Basically the corporate culture stuff
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around working from home,
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I hadn't really considered in this category.
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As you say, people put in this what they want.
01:39:39
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And I feel like I would have wanted,
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that I would have, I want to see change there.
01:39:45
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We spoke about it on the show in the past.
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And so I would have maybe put this at a three
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if I would have considered that in this too.
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'Cause you know, I grade them, you know,
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for the environmental stance
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and they've been doing more charitable stuff this year.
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There's a lot of work to be done in a lot of areas still.
01:40:06
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So this is one where I feel like I always want to try
01:40:09
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and grade them harshly on,
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but I had completely forgotten something
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that was important to me for this one.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I would grade this.
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I guess I'll give it a three, but I think really
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that three represents the great dichotomy here,
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which is Apple has made some great commitments
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to green energy.
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They've invested in lots of important social issues.
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They're like, they are,
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even if you look at the Chinese manufacturing stuff,
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like you could look at that and say,
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Apple relies on low paid, a mystery to Chinese workers,
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potentially some of their subcontractors are using
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potentially even slave labor, it's very controversial,
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but it's possible, big question mark there.
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You could also look at it and say,
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Apple's insistence on certain standards in its factories
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and in its contractors factories in China
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has actually changed the standards
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and that they are changing the culture
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and standards of those factories
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because they don't want that kind of abuse of workers
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at the factories that are supplying Apple.
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So it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Like, are they, is it good that they are changing things?
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Is it bad that things are bad?
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It's complicated.
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And yeah, I agree with you.
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We've talked about it here a lot.
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I think they don't treat their people as well as they should.
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And it doesn't mean that I agree with everything
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that's come out in leaks and all of that about it.
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But I think that their commitment
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to their work from home policy
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and forcing people back in the office
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and having a bunch of people live and work in Cupertino,
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even for jobs that don't require it,
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that really don't require it.
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Some of them do, a lot of them don't.
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I'm disappointed that they aren't showing more flexibility,
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but if there's anything we know about Apple,
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it's got a very strong, powerful corporate culture
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that gets reinforced.
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And this is not in their culture.
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They have come a long way from Steve Jobs
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demanding that James Thompson move to California,
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or lose his job. They do have people who work remote in all sorts of places, either by themselves
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or in teams in different cities. That said, this seems to have been a bridge too far for
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Apple's corporate culture, and that's too bad.
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I like what you said about the China thing. John Siracusa was saying, "Apple's reliance
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on China for its manufacturing continues to limit how much good Apple is able to do in
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the world," which is, I think people bring to that what they want to bring to that. Alex
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Cox says, "I hope management is having a wake-up call when it comes to their corporate culture.
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If it wants to retain talent, they need to be more cognizant of their employees' growing
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concerns over their own working conditions."
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So I think that's the scorecard.
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That's it. We've issued our report card grades. They range from bad to good. Good to see the
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good to see what people are feeling. Again, I think people who read and listen to podcasts
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about Apple will not be surprised by these results because in fact I think they are reflecting
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the general tenor of the conversation for the last year. So, but that's kind of what
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I'm trying to do is like let's get that down and say this is the general tenor of the conversation
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for the last year. So, yeah.
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Late breaking news before we finish the show.
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The Dutch regulation authority that's part of this whole,
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it's called the ACM, they've fined Apple again.
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- For not fully implementing the system.
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And they've said that they are disappointed
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in Apple's behavior and actions.
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They said in a statement, but could not comment
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beyond its public statements on whether a 27% commission
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would be consistent with its order,
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but then followed up by saying that they are disappointed.
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They're not angry Apple, they're just disappointed.
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- They're just disappointed.
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I don't think they're gonna date you.
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- I don't think so.
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There's no Dutch love there.
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- No, none, zero.
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- We didn't do Ask Upgrade this week.
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Ask Upgrade will be back next week
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'cause we would have been here forever, I think.
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- Otherwise, and I'm worried that Jason's voice
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is got mere seconds left on it.
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- Better than ever now, I don't know.
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We could go another five hours.
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to read the, there's so much more to the scorecard, I recommend people go and read it. Go and
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skim over so many of the great comments. We didn't even, I had way more that I wanted
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to put in today's episode that we just wouldn't have time to pull in. So you should go read
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them for yourself. Go to sixcolors.com and you can find that along with lots of work
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from Jason and Dan and many more. You can find Jason online. He is @jsnell, J S N E
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and we'll be back next week. Until then, say goodbye Jason Snow.
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Bye everybody.
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