396: The 2022 March Event Draft
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 396.
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Today's show is brought to you by TextExpander, Unipizza Ovens, ZocDoc, and Memberful.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by the one and only Jason Snell.
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Hi Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke Hurley, was that draft music I heard?
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That was indeed.
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That can't be.
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Draft music.
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That can't be.
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Jason it can be.
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Here's the deal, alright?
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We're going rogue today.
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We are assuming there will be an Apple event next week.
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So the assumption has been for a while there will be one in March.
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The Sheriff of Rua Town, Mark Gorman, has been suggesting for multiple weeks that it
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is going to be March 8th.
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Here's the thing.
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I am traveling later this week going to Memphis.
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The concern we have right now, or the concern I had, that if there is an event announced
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sometime in the next 24 hours, which is what we would expect if it's going to be on March 8th.
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Right. We would struggle to find a time to record a draft episode. So, we're gonna draft today.
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I've been pushing this for a little while with these weak warning events and us doing the double
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episodes with the draft as an emergency episode to say if we feel pretty good that an event is
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gonna happen, even if it's not exactly when we think. I'm not sure I see the harm in doing
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the draft, and if the draft has to remain in kind of a hovering above us for an extra
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week or two, that's okay. In fact, it might be good because it might mean that more stuff
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will leak out, and it will be too bad for us because we will have already picked. And
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I think the draft is better when there's more uncertainty.
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If we draft when we know everything, then it's what is it that we're even doing here.
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So I've been thinking maybe we should try this and then events have led us to this point
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So, kind of here's where we are.
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We're going to make our draft today and if there's an event next week, great.
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If there isn't an event, as Jason said, if there's an event in two weeks, also fine.
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If the event ends up being in April, we're gonna kind of play it as it goes. Like one
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thing that I had potentially thought that we could do is maybe like the week before
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we get to change one pick, you know, we'll see.
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That would be a maybe a fun game we could do if it comes to that. But we, I think, although
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Mark Gurman, who is definitely leading a cattle out onto the Ponderosa in Rumour Roundup,
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I think he keeps saying probably, but he doesn't know.
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Like probably March 8th, but he doesn't know.
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So maybe not.
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And maybe he can't know.
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We're definitely seeing the limits
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of Mark Gurman's information.
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So we're gonna go under the assumption
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that there's gonna be an Apple announcement
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coming pretty soon.
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And this is our draft for that.
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- Now, of course, one of the things that could stop
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maybe an event that was planned going ahead
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is the current war going on in Ukraine,
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which of course, you know, we'll just take a quick pause
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to say that everybody here at Upgrade
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throws their wholehearted support
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behind the people of Ukraine
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for the situation that they're going through right now.
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And it's an atrocious situation
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that they have found themselves in
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and we continue to support them.
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- A lot of Mac developers, actually.
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- Yes, a lot of wonderful Mac developers.
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- Mac and iOS developers we know,
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including Redl and MacPaw, among others,
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that are actually from Ukraine.
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So we send all of our positive thoughts
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to the people of Ukraine, especially the people we know.
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- I have a #snowtalk question for you.
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Comes from WotC, who wants to know?
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So this is me just, I'm just like straight up assuming
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that this is the normal episode.
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Jason, do you make any changes to your regular morning
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routine in preparation for remote Apple event days,
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or do you treat it the same as any other day?
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I treated, this is what a terrible answer this is.
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I treated the same as any other day, really.
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It's not the case for in-person Apple events,
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but for remote Apple events,
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I can just treat it like any other day
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'cause the events are at 10 a.m. Pacific.
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- Which is great for you, isn't it?
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- Like I'm up at 9 a.m. Pacific doing upgrade, right?
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Like, so it's just kinda luxurious
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'cause I have to get up early and drive far
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to go to an Apple event in Cupertino.
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but when it's happening in my living room on my TV,
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it's, I don't have to vary my morning routine at all,
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which is delightful.
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That said, I kind of miss the in-person events,
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but it is, after having done them for so long,
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it's a luxury to just continue doing my own thing
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in my house.
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- I also really want there to be an Apple event next week
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because then me and Steven will be able
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to watch it together.
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- Which will be fun.
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- And it will be in the morning,
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which is just never a thing I experience.
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- And I'm kind of assuming that I could just
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break this news right here, breaking news,
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upgrade 397 to have special guest co-host
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Stephen Hackett appearing.
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- Yeah, 'cause I probably will record it in his studio.
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- It would be really mean of us to like,
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to get out, Hackett out, out.
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- Get out. - No upgrade for you.
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- Or you can sit in the corner and just listen to me.
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You have to imagine the other half of the conversation.
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- So yeah, no matter what the episode is next week,
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Steven will be joining.
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- And of course, if there is an event,
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we will be recording after the event.
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- Right, of course.
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Of course, so if an event is announced this week,
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then you can listen to Upgrade on Tuesday,
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we'll record it right after the event.
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- If you would like to send in a question of your own
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to help us open a show,
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just send out a tweet with the hashtag Snow Talk,
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use question mark Snow Talk in the Relay FM members Discord.
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Now I have the rules of the draft.
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- Little bit bigger this time than usual.
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- We had some stuff.
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I don't know, I think our rules are fairly simple
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compared to other rules that could be invented.
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- Simple rules, but they have grown a little bit this time
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for good reason.
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10 rounds, 20 overall picks, with an additional bonus round.
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The draft will be split into four categories.
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There will be four iPhone and iPad picks, four Mac picks,
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two other picks, and the return of the draft of the color czar. This will be a bonus round,
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and we will explain the overly complicated rules of the draft of the color czar a little later on
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in today's episode. -In short, it's worth a point. The winner gets a point, yeah. -But it's not as
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simple as it seems. The winner of the previous draft gets the first pick, and that is Jason
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Snell. Items are chosen from a predetermined list of choices, which we have agreed are verifiable
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on screen, which we have agreed must be verifiable on screen.
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There we go. I got it.
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Third time's a charm and not ridiculously obvious.
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For an item to count, it must be either clearly announced on stage
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or on a slide during the presentation verifiable from the keynote itself.
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Stephen Hackett will adjudicate in case of a scoring stalemate
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between Jason and Myke.
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There are no partial points awarded.
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The points awarded on the episode are final and are finalized
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during the scoring segment.
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This will make me smile every time I read that forever.
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In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question.
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The loser gets the pick of the tiebreaker kind of over/under.
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The winner of the previous draft gets to choose the time duration
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because we will be tiebreaking on event runtime.
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And a new addition is the winner becomes draft champion
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and displays the champion pennant in the champion configuration.
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Loser becomes draft challenger and displays the upgrade draft challenger
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dependent in the challenger position. It's very important. We now have physical,
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we're going to move some atoms, people. We're actually going to move a physical object based
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on who wins or who loses. The draft results of last year was Jason was the 2021 champion,
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and I have some historic statistics for you now. Oh, I love it. There have been too much events in
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in draft history. Jason has won both of these in 2018 and 2019. There has only ever been
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one other pre-WWDC event and that was in April 2021, which Myke won. Isn't that what, it
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was a wild statistic to me that in the five, six years that we've been doing this, I think
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it's six years actually, there have only been three pre-WWDC events.
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- Yeah, we were taking a walk with our dog yesterday
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and Lauren said, "Is this one of those things
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where they do it every year?"
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And I said, "No, this is not.
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It's not something you can map out like that."
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Sometimes they do a spring event and sometimes they don't.
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So if there is indeed an event,
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it will be one of a handful in the last few years.
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- It is possible there may not be an event at all.
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I don't know what we do if that's the case.
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Like if they just release a bunch of things
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by press release, I don't know what we do.
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I guess there's just no draft.
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- This draft is entirely invalidated.
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That's definitely not gonna happen.
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This is totally worth your time
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to listen to this draft everybody.
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- I mean, this is worth it no matter what.
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'Cause this is it, look, you know, this is our predictions
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episode, wherever they have been a lot,
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there are still things to predict.
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Tiebreaker will be based on the event runtime.
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Jason, what is the amount of minutes
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that I get to pick the over under on?
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- That's a tough one.
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So we got some rumors, got some strong,
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it's all a little murky, some strong iPhone rumors,
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some strong iPad rumors, some shaky Mac rumors,
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some strong Mac rumors.
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- A good thing from Zach in the Discord here.
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Zach, by the way, who is the creator of upgrade.cards,
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which is where you can go to get your interactive scorecard
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so you can score along during any event
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that we have here on the upgrade program.
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Zach said that the April event of last year
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was 61 minutes long.
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- Interesting.
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That's an interesting data point.
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And I was going to point at that and say,
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I think they have shorter events and that this will be one.
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And that is why I am going to just follow
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the last year's event and say,
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Myke, is it longer or shorter than last year's 61 minutes?
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- Under 61 minutes.
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- Honestly, Jason, my feeling is,
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I was going to say under basically whatever you chose.
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- Because I just can't imagine this being a long event.
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- Well, I don't know.
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I almost picked 48.
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- And then I wouldn't,
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I maybe wouldn't have answered so quickly.
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- Yeah, maybe, maybe not, but we'll see.
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I mean, they can, Apple has surprised me sometimes.
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I would love them to be efficient and be,
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and be under an hour, but we'll see.
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If, maybe my picks will bear out my feelings on this,
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we'll find out.
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If they have announced what I think they're going to announce
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I do not think that this will run over an hour.
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- Well, that's the trick, isn't it?
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I'll just have to beat you straight up.
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- We'll see. - That's what I have to do.
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- That's all you have to do.
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- Can't count on the tie to save me like I did last time.
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We're gonna move into the first set of picks now,
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rounds one to four, which are the iPhone and iPad picks.
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Jason, you're up first.
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- All right, with the first pick in the draft,
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I am going to take it easy
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and pick that Apple announces a new iPhone SE.
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Just gonna lay it there.
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- Easy pick one.
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This was my pick one.
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This is just like.
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- It's just laying there.
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- It's honestly the only thing for me
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that I feel is a certain of this event.
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- This is in fact, if you follow all the reports,
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the reason for this season.
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This is the thing that everyone's like,
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"Well, Apple's going to announce a new iPhone SE
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and they may find other products to announce with it."
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So yeah, I'm just gonna lay that down.
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Let's get it started with the most obvious thing
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that's on our list, the iPhone SE.
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Yeah, there's gonna be a new one everybody, woo!
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- I know that this is an important phone
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to Apple and many users.
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I'm sorry, I just need to say it now.
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I really struggled to get excited about the iPhone SE.
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- What do you mean?
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I said woo, Myke, come on, woo!
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- I can't get excited about it.
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Unless, I mean--
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- Developers, developers, developers, developers!
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- Unless they do something that's like really unexpected,
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which I don't expect, I'm sorry,
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like I just can't get excited about a phone,
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a new iPhone that has a touch ID home button on it,
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you know, which is what I expect it will probably be.
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Which is why my first pick is gonna be that the iPhone SE
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keeps the current iPhone SE design.
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- Oh, interesting.
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- Now, this is one of those ones that again,
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it might be like, we're gonna have to call it as we see it.
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There might be some tweaks, but I think, you know,
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if this thing has bezels and a home button
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and all that kind of stuff,
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like that's the iPhone SE design.
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We'll see, right?
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Like, I don't know what you think about this,
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but you know, there's stuff that they might do
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to the design of this phone,
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but it's still by and large, looks like the iPhone SE.
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- I think that would be really boring.
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And you look at it and it's got like all the big bezels
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at the top and the bottom and home button
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with touch ID.
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- But I think honestly,
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one of the reasons that they keep this phone
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is for this design,
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because there are some people that they know as well
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that do not want face ID.
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And I cannot imagine Apple designing,
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if they keep the touch ID home button,
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which I do think they will keep,
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I do not imagine them making a phone
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with a new design for that.
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- I'm gonna leave that out there
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as a potential future pick for me.
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But I'll tell you something the new iPhone SE
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is gonna have Myke, 5G.
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- 5G, 5G, 5G, 5G.
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- Because as Tim Cook has told us,
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we're just at the very beginnings of the global 5G rollout
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and a lot of people are motivated to upgrade their phone
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or motivated by their carrier to upgrade their phone
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to get 5G support.
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So let's throw it in there.
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Everything gets 5G, you get 5G and you get 5G and you.
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iPhone SE, wake up, wake up.
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Come on, snap to it, you get 5G.
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- Do you know what else is gonna get 5G?
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- Oh yes, this is, I mean, we're going straight
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to the lowest of the low hanging fruit now, aren't we?
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- This was not gonna be my second pick,
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but you mentioning it has made it there for me,
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the iPad Air.
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- Yeah, sure. - iPad Air.
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- iPad Air, you too, get up here.
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There's gonna be a new iPad Air apparently,
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according to Myke's pick here, and it'll have 5G.
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- You gotta have 5G.
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- This is probably the next most likely product in general
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is an iPad Air refresh, the iPad Air Jufuru refresh.
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It's now behind the other iPads, even the regular iPad
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and a bunch of features that we'll probably get here.
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And you've got to expect that the iPad Air
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is a pretty good seller for Apple, looks like an iPad Pro,
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but isn't priced like an iPad Pro.
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And I think it's gonna get 5G.
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- That's good.
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I'm gonna make, sorry to make a boring pick,
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but it's on our list and I just want to stake out
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the ground here.
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iPad Air, like you say for the iPhone SE,
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iPad Air keeps the same design.
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They just changed it, it's got the flat sides,
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it's the modern design, it was the first one to go,
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why would they change it?
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Same design.
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- Now here's the thing, Jason,
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there is a pic that we did not have on our list
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because we pre-approved these pics together.
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One of these things was, Apple announces an iPad Air.
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- If we agree that I can pick that,
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then the first three rounds,
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they are exact mirror of each other.
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- Well, you can't pick it,
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but you already, and your pick already implies it
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because you said it gets 5G support.
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- Yeah, I know, but we also have Apple announces
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a new iPhone SE as a pick, right?
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- Yeah, but why didn't we do that for the iPad Air?
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- I don't know, we just didn't put it in there.
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But all right, if you're not gonna let me add it,
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that's totally fine by me,
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because my next pick will be-
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- You could add it, it would be really boring
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if you added it, but if you wanna add it in, that's fine.
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- No, I'm gonna go in another direction
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and I'm gonna say that--
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- All right, well then I'll pick it next round.
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So I'll pick it next round.
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- You play dirty.
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The iPad Air gets center stage.
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- Yeah, there we go.
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Why didn't it already have it?
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Well, that feature hadn't been introduced yet.
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- And this one feels to me like,
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honestly even more certain than 5G
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because every iPad has it now, I think.
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if I'm remembering correctly.
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Yeah, even the iPad mini has center stage.
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So this is definitely a product
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that Apple won in the iPad line.
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We have had many conversations
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about wanting it in other products,
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but right now it just exists in the iPad.
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I feel like if they touch the iPad Air,
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they put center stage in it.
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- Yep, I agree, 100%.
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I think that it's even more likely than 5G,
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and I think 5G is very, very, very likely.
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But center stage, it has to be.
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It's in every other iPad, why would it not be?
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All right, Myke, well, remember when you said
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that the iPhone SE was gonna keep the current design?
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I think it's not.
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- Tell me about this. - That's my next pick.
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- What do you think?
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- I think it's not.
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I think we have reached the point now
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where Apple is gonna say goodbye to that design
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and come up with something that has,
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maybe has face ID, but I think maybe has
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button touch ID like on the iPad?
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Whatever is cheaper.
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- Can I just jump in right now and just say
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that my final pick is that the iPhone SE has touch ID?
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- Okay, all right.
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Let's do it.
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- Then we can talk more about that.
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- Let's double this up.
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- This is where if for me, I imagine if they do
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change the design, they keep touch ID
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but put it in the side button.
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- In the button.
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I think that's possible.
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I, so look, your pick that the iPhone,
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the current iPhone SE design remains
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is banking on Tim Cook grinding more margin
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out of a very old iPhone design.
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And you know, it's hard to bet against that,
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but I look at the current iPhone SE
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and think it's so old now
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and so out of line with the existing iPhone line
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that I think there's a chance
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that Apple is going to make an iPhone SE
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that looks a little like the rest of the iPhone line
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that they can call it edge to edge and put a notch in it,
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but maybe it doesn't have the face ID system,
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just simplify their product line a little bit.
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And I realize I'm just kind of grasping here
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because the easy thing is it's just, again,
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it's just the same one with a little bit of an upgrade.
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But I don't know,
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I feel like there's enough water under the bridge now
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that maybe they're gonna revise it
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and use some of the stuff they've used in other phones
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while keeping it cheap
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and allow them to have something
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that feels a little more like a modern iPhone.
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And the big one is get that home button
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off the front of the iPhone.
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And since we've seen the touch ID
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in the sleep wake button on the iPad,
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I feel like maybe that's the direction they wanna go
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if they wanna keep face ID as a premium feature.
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So that's my just kind of out of the blue,
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picking a little bit from what they did with the iPad Air
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and thinking that the big black stripe at the top,
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big black stripe with a home button at the bottom
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feels really old that maybe they want to finally kind of put that one in the ground.
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So I have a bunch of thoughts on this, right?
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One is, hey, maybe the iPhone mini becomes the iPhone SE, but I don't think that would
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be now, but I could imagine that, right?
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Like in the future, maybe in a year or two.
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Because when I think about that, it's like, okay, I don't believe they're going to put
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face ID on the iPhone SE for a while because it is apparently very expensive to do so.
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And so if they were not going to do that, or even if they were going to change the iPhone
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SE's design at all, and let's imagine that they go edge to edge, right?
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Or they go towards the bezels.
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My thinking on this is it might have to give away potential designs of next iPhones more
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based on like how they do like a camera
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in the display kind of thing, like a hole punch.
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- And so like all of this stuff says to me,
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I think that they will change this design,
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but I could imagine it's one more round at the current one.
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And then after that, they can start doing some new stuff.
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- I think clearly, I mean,
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we'll see how the rest of this draft goes,
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but the draft may be won or lost simply on whether Apple
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lets it ride for another round with the SE
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or does something a little bit different.
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And I just, I think you're probably right about Touch ID,
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but there is part of me that says,
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Apple has been doing Face ID for so long now.
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And I wonder if the economy of scale of that,
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that Face ID sensor block in fact has come down
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to the point where instead of continuing to make these parts
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that are like only in the SE at this point,
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they're actually able to make a cheaper device
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by using parts that they're using in other iPhones.
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But then there's the touch ID button tech too.
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- Even in that, they would put the touch ID button, I think.
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Like I genuinely believe that part of the iPhone SE's
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current existence is to have an iPhone that is not face ID.
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- Yeah, in fact, the strongest argument for the iPhone SE
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to not have face ID, I think is the iPad Air.
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because that's a mid-level iPad.
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And Apple is like, you don't get face ID.
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Sorry, that's a pro kind of feature.
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And it's a different market because the,
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both of the iPhone lines, the regular and the pro
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do have face ID,
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but the SE is the thing that's down there below it.
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So pulling it out and saying, no, no,
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we're not gonna do that, I think is really reasonable.
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To me, again, what motivates me most of all
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is that home button.
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It's like the home button, oh, it's so dated now, right?
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And people like it and it's fine,
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but I'm just trying to get into Apple's mind
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and thinking about all the products
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that they got in their product line.
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And like, it's so dated.
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And we know that it's been a problem,
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like in terms of breaking it and things like that.
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Like, I wonder if getting it out of there
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and getting something that looks a little more modern,
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but still has Touch ID like in the button,
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if that might be their answer.
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But I think your thought is also reasonable
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because it's hard to bet against Tim Cook
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continuing to grind with old parts
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at a low price, high margin iPhone SE.
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So that's, is this the year?
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I say, maybe you say, no, we'll see.
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- I mean, when did that last iPad come out?
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Like I know it was last year, right?
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I don't remember exactly when,
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but that has a home button on it.
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- Yeah, it's true.
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- You know, so they haven't gotten rid of it
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from everywhere yet.
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- It's true.
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- Not yet, not yet.
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And they love it on the Macs, right?
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This is what it looks like on the Mac.
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It's just that little circle.
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Speaking of the Mac, this is where, look,
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this is where it starts to get interesting.
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I'm sorry, iPhone and iPad, you're not for us right now.
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That might be the fastest draft round of all time
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for four picks.
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- We're gonna move into our Mac picks now.
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There are enough of four.
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I would just note, I make my own personal list, right?
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I had like six or seven things on my iPhone and iPad list.
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I have 15 that I have made for my Mac picks here,
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even though we're only going for four each.
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What is your first?
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- I only have seven, so you're more confident than I am.
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I'm gonna start with a product, the Mac,
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that I do think is going to be announced for sure
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at this event, which is a new 13-inch MacBook Pro
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of some sort.
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- That's my first MacBook, new 13-inch MacBook Pro.
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- We don't wanna get into that too much
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because there are many more picks on the table
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for this MacBook Pro in particular.
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Mine is gonna be that a new Mac Mini is announced.
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- All right.
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- For my money, I think we're more likely
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to see a Mac Mini than a new MacBook Pro.
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- I went back and forth on this
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and new Mac Mini is announced was also on my list.
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it was next up, so I went back and forth with them.
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I think I could go either way, right?
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I think the new Mac mini seems logical
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because they held the Intel Mac mini around,
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even though they did an M1 Mac mini last fall,
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or I guess fall of '20.
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So, oh God, it's not even last fall,
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you know, a year and a half ago.
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And yet I feel like this,
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even though the rumors conflict,
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there's so much heat around the idea
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that they're gonna revise that 13-inch MacBook Pro
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that I feel like that gave me a little bit more of an edge.
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Whereas the Mac Mini, I'm like,
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well, they could announce it.
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I don't doubt it's coming.
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They could not announce it,
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and I wouldn't be shocked, I guess.
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- What I'll say is that rumors of a new Mac Mini
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have been around for a lot longer.
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- Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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No, my, I don't doubt it exists.
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I think my question is, is it now?
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And maybe it is now.
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I think that, like I said, it was my second choice.
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So that's reasonable.
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- And I'll just state just like for the record,
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both of these products like new,
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if Apple has something to show off, it's new, right?
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It doesn't matter if they've just changed a part
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here or there, it's new.
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Okay, gonna go out on a limb here.
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I know there've been conflicting reports.
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I'm just gonna lay it down.
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Bye bye touch bar, gone.
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Touch bar gone. - Okay.
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gone, new MacBook Pro doesn't have a touch bar.
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- Yeah, that's it.
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Look, if they come out with,
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if they update the MacBook Pro
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in the smallest ways possible
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and it still has the touch bar,
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like what are you doing?
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Like I get that last time
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when you were doing the first round of M1s
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that the goal was kind of stability
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and you just put the new chip in the old computer.
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But last year you revised everything.
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And this thing is still laying out there.
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It's like, come on, just it's over.
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So there are a few things that were added
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to the MacBook Pro line in 2021
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that helped differentiate it from the MacBook Air.
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And this 13-inch MacBook Pro
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does not have any of those things.
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So I'm gonna go out on a limb.
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And I know there's some reports that say it stays
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and some reports that say it goes.
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I like the home button.
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I'm gonna put some money down on the touch bar.
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Just, it's gone, it's gone.
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Just some buttons up there.
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Just some regular old function keys.
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Goodbye touch bar.
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- Jason, I'm all about the drama today.
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I'm like, big drama draft boy.
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- Big drama energy from you, yeah.
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- I had this pick way later in my list,
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but I'm gonna put it up there now.
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the new MacBook Pro keeps the touch bar.
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- (laughs) Okay, all right.
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- Now, here's the thing.
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- I am the picks of optimism
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and you are the picks of pessimism
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and we'll see who wins.
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- It's not about pessimism.
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I think I'm going for realism.
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Now, this MacBook Pro will only exist
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to maintain a price point, right?
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That is why this thing exists.
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This MacBook Pro only continues to exist
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because they cannot get the 14 inch cheaper.
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- I agree with you there.
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Now let me throw something at you.
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What do you think is cheaper,
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function keys or a touch bar with an OLED display
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and a touch sensitive surface?
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- Here's what I'll say.
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Here's what I'll say on that.
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They already did the Apple Silicon revision
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for the MacBook Pro with a touch bar.
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I would expect it is cheaper to drop new chips
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in that MacBook Pro, then going back to the MacBook Pro that had the function keys and
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bringing that to the point where it's now ready for Apple Silicon.
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I expect that if they within an 18 month period thought that they were going to be both A)
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removing the touch bar from future designs and B) knowing they were going to keep the
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the MacBook Pro around, they never would have revised
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the MacBook Pro with a touch bar
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to keep for Apple Silicon in the first place.
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- Couple of things.
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First off, I don't think that it works
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where they go back to the MacBook escape
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and then bring it forward.
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I don't think that's how they would do it.
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But secondly, I view it a very different way,
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which is that they did a first round
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of Apple Silicon M1 Mac designs
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basically to get the first ones out the door
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so they could move on and actually do the redesigns
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and that it was a placeholder and it wasn't,
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well, if we're gonna keep this around,
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let's redesign it now.
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It was like, it's not important for us to redesign it
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'cause it's the least important MacBook Pro.
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So let's wait and keep its redesign for later
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and now it's later.
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So that's the way that I approach it.
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And I do think that it's cheaper
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to not have an OLED touch surface
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and that replacing that with function keys
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is probably something that will make a cheaper product.
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- So we'll see, we're head to head.
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- They may have a big stock part
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and a touch bars somewhere.
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- For people who are not listening live,
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I just wanna give you a little sense
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of one of the great things about being a real AFM member
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and listening live while being in our Discord
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is that the Discord is kind of losing it.
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I have seen Myke is doomed
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and Jason is throwing it both in the chat.
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So I like it, I like it.
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Everybody's opposed, everybody has an opinion.
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The drama, thank you, Myke, for cultivating the drama.
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- Bring in the drama today.
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This is draft drama, that's what I'm all about,
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draft drama.
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I just think that there's like, for me,
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there's a bunch of reasons to keep the touch bar.
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I think it's the speed thing.
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I think that there is a continuation
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of needing to separate the devices, right?
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Like, at that point, if it's,
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why is it different to a MacBook Air?
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It's just bigger.
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Like, I think that there's just like a bunch of reasons
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they're gonna keep the touch bar,
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even though I don't think they should.
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- All right, with my next pick,
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I'm going back to the Mac.
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I'm going to the Mac Mini that you say is going to be announced.
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And I'm going to say it will have options for both the M1 Pro and M1 Max chip.
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Okay. This was my next pick. This was going to be what I went with.
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I think that for me,
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I feel like this Mac Mini is a replacement for both Mac Minis,
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And that they may have like the ability to have a Mac Mini that can be specced
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across the M1.
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- Well, that would be the ideal, right?
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Is that you could get an M1 or M2 when it comes along
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and then an M1 Pro and M1 Max,
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and you're really just sort of picking it.
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It depends on the marketing.
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They may say, right, but it's all,
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it's what we've said about the iMac.
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Also is true of the Mac Mini is.
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They could market the Mac Mini and a Mac Mini Pro
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and have it be different names
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and this one's Silver and this one's Space Gray,
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but ultimately I think it's gonna be good, better, best
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kind of thing, right?
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Where it's like you can get an M1 or an M1 Pro
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or an M1 Max, it's all Mac mini.
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And I think that that's where they're headed.
00:34:37
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- I feel like I'm bringing more drama right now, Jason.
00:34:41
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- Bring it in.
00:34:42
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- The new MacBook Pro gets an M2 chip.
00:34:44
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- Whoa, interesting, interesting.
00:34:49
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M2, so a lot of rumors that M2 is coming.
00:34:53
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A lot of rumors about the M2 appearing first
00:34:56
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in a MacBook Air that keeps getting delayed
00:34:58
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till maybe even this summer.
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But you're saying it's gonna debut
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whenever this event happens.
00:35:07
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Here's the thing, I don't think personally
00:35:11
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that they would put an M1 Pro or M1 Max chip
00:35:14
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in this MacBook Pro.
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To me, that doesn't make sense.
00:35:19
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It's like, what is this MacBook Pro
00:35:22
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if it can have so much power at that point.
00:35:25
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Things start to get confusing for me.
00:35:27
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They have to start M2 at some point.
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Like, some point it needs to begin.
00:35:33
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To me, it would make sense that they would put it in
00:35:35
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what is at this point, I think, the oldest,
00:35:39
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or one of the oldest computers that has an M1 in it.
00:35:45
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- So it makes sense to me that they would start with M2
00:35:49
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sooner rather than later,
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'cause otherwise it could potentially be,
00:35:52
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and as the Mac Mini gets it,
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it'll be going all the way to the end of the year
00:35:56
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before M2 comes out,
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if the MacBook Air isn't gonna come anytime soon.
00:36:00
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So I think that the MacBook Pro will get an M2 chip.
00:36:03
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- Very interesting.
00:36:05
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Feel like it's premature, but who knows?
00:36:10
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- Premature though, really?
00:36:12
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I mean, didn't it start in like the end of 2020
00:36:17
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with the M1?
00:36:18
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- Yeah, oh yeah.
00:36:19
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I just, I don't know, I've read enough reports
00:36:22
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that suggest that the MacBook Air is sort of
00:36:25
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when the M2 debuts, that I've kind of been thinking
00:36:29
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that the M2 debut is gonna happen later.
00:36:31
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But it could happen now.
00:36:32
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It will be interesting if it does happen
00:36:35
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to see how Apple spins comparing M2 to M1 Pro and M1 Max,
00:36:40
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right, because like M2 sounds newer,
00:36:43
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but it's not gonna be nearly as fast as an M2
00:36:46
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or an M1 Pro or M1 Max.
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- So they're gonna have to trick that one out.
00:36:53
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Well, so here's a funny thing, Myke.
00:36:56
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We're in our last round now.
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And neither of us has picked anything
00:36:59
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about rumored MacBook Air and larger iMac models.
00:37:04
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- Well, I think there's a pretty good reason for that, but.
00:37:07
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- I think the challenge is that while I want there
00:37:10
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to be a larger iMac and Mark Gurman seems
00:37:12
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to not have a view into it in his reports,
00:37:15
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I have not seen any reports that really suggest
00:37:18
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despite how much I want it to exist,
00:37:20
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that it actually is going to exist.
00:37:22
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- Which is funny to me because when I opened,
00:37:28
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so I started off our list that we keep
00:37:31
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with the text that we can choose from,
00:37:35
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and I sent it to you.
00:37:36
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When I reopened it again, you had added more items
00:37:40
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to the new larger iMac category than anywhere else.
00:37:44
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- There's so many great mysteries about a new larger iMac.
00:37:47
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And I know you care about it the most.
00:37:49
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- Yeah, and it's very hard for me to choose
00:37:52
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about whether it will exist or not.
00:37:56
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So my question is basically,
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do I wanna throw a pick at something
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in order to make it exist?
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'Cause I have that kind of magical power.
00:38:02
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- So that's, what is that?
00:38:04
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- Wish casting.
00:38:04
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- Yeah, okay.
00:38:06
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- Oh yeah, sure.
00:38:07
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Or do I wanna just go with something that's safe and boring
00:38:13
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and I really don't wanna flip the pen over.
00:38:15
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So I'm gonna go with a Mac Mini keeps the same design.
00:38:22
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- Is that on your list?
00:38:27
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- I mean, I would love a new design for the Mac Mini
00:38:29
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that's smaller and just all tiny and awesome and all,
00:38:34
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but they've worn me down to the point now
00:38:37
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that the M1 Mac Mini has so much open space in it
00:38:40
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that I actually think it's an advantage
00:38:41
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because if you wanna put a cooling system in there
00:38:44
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for the M1 Pro and M1 Macs,
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then you actually wanna have a mini that's that size.
00:38:49
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And, you know, Apple releasing new versions
00:38:52
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of the Mac Mini is great.
00:38:53
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Expecting Apple to change the shape of the Mac Mini,
00:38:56
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I feel like is unrealistic.
00:38:58
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So I'm gonna give up and just say,
00:38:59
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"Yeah, it's gonna look the same,
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"but it's gonna be awesome on the inside."
00:39:03
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- I'm trying to work out right now
00:39:05
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if I go for drama,
00:39:08
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- Uh-huh. - Go for something exciting,
00:39:10
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or I just go for a boring final pick.
00:39:13
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- I almost offered a deal with you,
00:39:18
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which was that for our last picks in this round
00:39:22
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to not be about the Mac mini and the MacBook Pro,
00:39:25
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but then I decided I wouldn't.
00:39:27
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- No, because more than anything, Jason,
00:39:29
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I think the upgrade ends have learned,
00:39:31
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do you love to win?
00:39:32
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- I wanna win the draft, yeah, I do.
00:39:34
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- Yeah, I know, I know you wanna win the draft.
00:39:42
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- All right, I'm just gonna go boring.
00:39:46
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- The Mac Mini gets more ports than the M1 Mac Mini.
00:39:50
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- More ports than the M1 Mac Mini.
00:39:52
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I like this one.
00:39:55
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I enjoyed picking this
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because I think it's kind of diabolical, right?
00:39:58
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It's like more ports.
00:40:03
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- They could be different,
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but if it's the same number, it's not more ports.
00:40:08
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I was actually, I had my next on my list
00:40:10
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that I didn't go with was Mac Mini has
00:40:12
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one or more USB-A ports on it, because I think that's a hilarious question too.
00:40:17
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And I don't know the answer. I think probably it would because the current Mac Mini did,
00:40:22
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but who knows what Apple's opinion of various ports are at any given time. You would think,
00:40:28
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based on the MacBook Pro, that a powerful Mac Mini would have lots of ports on the back.
00:40:33
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That has traditionally been the case, that the Mac Mini has had a lot of ports on the back.
00:40:37
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It just wasn't true with the M1 because the M1 Mac Mini was an M1 and didn't have the ability to
00:40:44
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really have very many ports. But this one's going to have more capable chips, so it should have more
00:40:51
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ports on it. One way or another, I expect that if we get a Mac Mini, it has the capability for more.
00:40:56
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I reckon M2 will do it or M1 Pro or Max will do it. And it'll probably be something simple like,
00:41:03
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it'll still have the USB-A ports on it,
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but it'll have an extra Thunderbolt on it,
00:41:09
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something like that.
00:41:10
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- Or like, they're all Thunderbolt,
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but there's more than there was before,
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or who knows, you know what I mean?
00:41:14
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Something like that.
00:41:15
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- Something like that.
00:41:17
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- The pick that I wanted to go with then
00:41:19
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is that I do actually think that Mac Mini
00:41:21
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will get a new design.
00:41:23
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- I think there's a chance,
00:41:25
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and I'll be delightfully surprised
00:41:28
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and happy to lose that point if it comes to that.
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'Cause I think that my hope also fear
00:41:34
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is that they're gonna do a redesign.
00:41:36
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And one of the things they're gonna do
00:41:38
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is they're gonna put the power supply outbound
00:41:43
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like they did on the, in outboard power supply
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like they've done in the iMac.
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- Yeah, that'd be nice.
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- Well, it's bad.
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In some ways it's bad because you have to manage that block
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and people don't like that.
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and it might even use the same connector as on the iMac,
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and that that allows them to take the power supply
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out of it, which means that it can be even smaller.
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And they may yet do that, but I don't know.
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Again, they've ground me down with the Mac Mini.
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I wrote articles imagining a new design for the Mac Mini
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like five years ago, and it still looks exactly the same.
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So I give up.
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- My feeling on this is I do genuinely believe
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that there will be no Mac untouched design-wise
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after the end of the Apple Silicon transition?
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- I see where you're coming from,
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and yet again, they ground me down with the Mac Mini so much
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that, like, that M1 Mac Mini, oh my God, right?
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It's literally like a couple of tiny things
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rattling around inside a giant aluminum enclosure
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'cause they didn't wanna change it.
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But maybe now's the time.
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I mean, that's my, you're making my argument
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for the 13 inch MacBook Pro, right?
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Which is, it wasn't important enough to change
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when they were getting the M1s out the door,
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but now is the time to refresh.
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And you could make the same argument for both of those.
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And the Air, which we all expect is gonna be changed.
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But yeah, it could be time for the Mac mini
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and the 13 inch MacBook Pro to look different.
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- Of course, there was a ton of stuff we did not pick.
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We did not pick anything iMac related,
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did not pick anything MacBook Air related.
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We're gonna go over some of the things
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we didn't pick in Upgrade Plus today.
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So if you sign up, you go to getupgradeplus.com,
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you can sign up $5 a month or $50 a year.
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You get longer ad-free versions of Upgrade,
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and this time we're gonna be talking about
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some of the stuff that did not make it
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into the draft list this time around.
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Honestly, I don't really know how I'm feeling
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about the draft for me so far.
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I have not picked anything that was not on my list.
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I just maybe moved some stuff around a little bit more.
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But I feel like people may disagree with me.
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I'm sure people do.
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I'm seeing people that do,
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but I do think that all of these things are going to happen.
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For me, it's just a case of, does it happen this time
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or does it happen next time?
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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- We'll see.
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- But one of the challenges with the Raft
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is that we're trying to gauge,
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- The heart of it too is just trying to restrict
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your enthusiasm.
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And I've done some things here that are like letting
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a little bit of my enthusiasm out,
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but like I didn't pick an iMac,
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even though I want it badly.
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Because I think I'm over indexing how likely it is
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that it'll happen based on my enthusiasm for it.
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So I'm trying to kind of tamp that down.
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I do think it'll happen.
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But again, like with doing a new Mac mini enclosure,
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where I'm like, yeah, I've been burned enough, let's not.
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- I would question an Apple event where we get an iPhone,
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an iPad, a Mac mini and a MacBook Pro
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and they basically all remain the same visually.
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Like, and I know that we've got some different picks
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between the two of us across this spectrum,
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but like that's why I think at least something's
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gotta change somewhere, right?
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Then I don't know what it is.
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Can you, I mean how funny that would be though.
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If the iPhone SE got updated with new internals, the iPad Air got updated with new internals,
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the MacBook Pro got updated with new internals, so does the Mac Mini.
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Goodbye everyone!
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Ok we move into other picks. Now this is a range of products that we haven't mentioned
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that don't fall into the previous categories. Stagecraft picks, software, hardware, all
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of that fun stuff. We are picking two things each from this round. Jason, what's your first?
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I am going to pick... I'm just going in on March 8th. Going in on March 8th. The event takes place
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March 8th. Very nice. Interesting. Okay. I didn't end up picking this one. Felt like tempting fate
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to me. Yeah, I didn't find a lot in our others list that I was really super excited about,
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And I think that I when I when I look back at what I thought the probabilities were for all the items in our miscellaneous list
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I decided that the event taking place on March 8th was actually stronger than I initially thought
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so I'm just gonna lay it down and we'll see whether Mark Gurman's
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vague pronouncements about March 8th are right or not. And if we do decide that
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This goes on long enough that we each get to swap out a pick guess which one I'm swapping out
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- My first pick is that Tim Cook presents
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from outside Apple Park.
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- What makes you think that?
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- Because he does that every single time
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except for the iPhone.
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- I mean, sometimes he's in the cafe
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and sometimes he's in the theater.
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- But he's always walking around that Tim Cook, you know?
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- He is walking around, yeah, that's true.
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- And I do feel like spring event,
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- Remember when he was standing amongst all the reads
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- Yeah, okay.
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- So I think that he will be presented
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from outside Apple Park. - A little nature,
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a little nature for Tim.
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- Obviously this does not account for the entire
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presentation, it's not one I'm picking.
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This says it could be multiple reads on this.
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Tim Cook presents from outside Apple Park, he will.
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- Okay, and I'm gonna go with a classic,
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We See the Rainbow Stage.
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- Oh, I had this, I had this very--
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- Taste the Rainbow, See the Rainbow,
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They love that rainbow stage, they love it.
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And all you have to do is see, remember there was that one event where it was dark and it
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was like the saddest, darkest rainbow of all, but it was there.
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Midnight rainbow.
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They like, they like it.
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That could be one of the colors in the color draft, just stay tuned for that.
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John Turnas presents the segment.
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What uh, what made you pick him?
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If there's a Mac, Turnas will present it.
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Because he has presented every Mac that they've announced in the last little while.
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I do still assume that he is considered for great things at Apple.
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We've mentioned this before.
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And apparently John Turness is seen as a potential future CEO of the company.
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So I think they're just going to continue to give him space.
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He has a more important role at Apple now than he has in previous years.
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I think that he will get his time.
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Plus, he's just a really good presenter.
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I really like parts where John Turner presents,
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and I think they're gonna continue doing that,
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especially if they have anything new chip based.
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And I know that he doesn't do all of it,
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but he very frequently starts that part
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and then throws over to someone in the chip lab.
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- So we now move into the draft of The Color Czar.
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- So this is a Jason Snell creation.
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And a Jason Snell adaptation.
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Would you like to explain what this is?
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I think it would be fun for us to draft colors.
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Apple's doing a lot of stuff with color.
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They're putting color, there's colors in the iPad Air,
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there's colors in the iMac.
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There may be colors coming to the big iMac.
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There may be, there's colors in iPhones.
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And so we did this last time and I wanna bring it back.
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A silly little game that we tack on to the end of the draft
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where we pick colors.
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In this case, we are going to pick colors.
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that are unveiled in a new product during the event.
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For this one, I'm gonna say that if the color
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isn't said out loud, but it shows up
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in the product description afterward, it's good enough,
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'cause it's really, this is like a little adjunct
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to the main draft.
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But the idea here is we're trying to guess
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what colors Apple puts on its products.
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By the way, if a color is used on more than one product,
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I would say it's worth a point for each product it's on.
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and most total points gets a bonus draft point.
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- Yes, so this is going to be a slight change
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to the way that we usually do things,
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because we are going to have to,
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and we've agreed on this in advance,
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we will do it for this.
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We will be going into Apple's product pages
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and confirming the color names and their frequencies.
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It may be possible, honestly,
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that we might be able to just get all of this information
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from the keynote.
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That's, you know, they show videos
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and we could see all the colors there,
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but we will be wanting to go in and triple check this one.
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But of course we have to be able to confirm it
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before the draft segment, the results segment ends.
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That still stands.
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- Now in the original Colors Are draft,
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we got very competitive and we got caught up
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in picking things that were boring and we tied.
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And so there was no bonus point there.
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So in this colors are draft,
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we each have to make three picks.
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We have to make a boring pick.
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We have to make a color pick.
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And then we have to make up a color name
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that we think Apple will use
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that has not yet been used on an Apple product.
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Those are our three selections.
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- All right.
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So just to give a little bit more information on this,
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boring colors are names of colors
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that are preexisting in Apple products.
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Colors are just colors, right?
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Any color you could pick it, new or old I guess you could pick it.
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But like the boring colors is like your space grays, your space blacks of the world, you know that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, space gray silver, starlight, midnight.
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By the way starlight, did you know there's now a Coke flavor called starlight?
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What does that mean?
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I wonder if it tastes like a MacBook.
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Coke starlight?
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I guess it would taste like an iPhone.
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Yeah, starlight.
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Thetakeout.com says Coca-Cola starlight tastes like one big marketing ploy.
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- Yeah, well, sounds about right.
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Anyway, so the boring colors are not very colorful,
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is the point.
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Silver, space gray, starlight, midnight, space black, rose.
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I'm putting rose gold in there.
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It's kind of boring.
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It's been around a long time.
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Colors are like green and orange and pink and purple
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and yellow and blue.
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Also the iPad Air currently comes in sky blue.
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So you could say sky blue if you wanted to.
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And that's a color, sky blue.
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- Can I ask a question?
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- Yes. - Is there a final question
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on colors? - And if you wanted to do
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midnight lemon or Pacific blue or whatever,
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you could do that too.
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And that's a color.
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Starlight and Midnight, right?
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We couldn't really understand what these colors were.
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- Now, when it comes to colors,
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the colors category of the colors are draft,
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do they have to be named this?
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- I would say yes.
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I would say if you pick blue
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and the blue that they use is sky blue and not blue,
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it's not. - Or if like,
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it's called Azure, right?
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- Yeah, but what I don't wanna do is get like, so pink.
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Pink is a color and you can say,
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well, but really the pink iMac, it's kind of red.
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No, it's called pink.
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- Cool, this is what I want you to check.
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It's just the name, we are matching the name.
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- It is the name, right?
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Apple gets to name it,
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we just have to guess what they're gonna name it.
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- Yeah, this is what I wanted to check
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'cause I don't wanna be like color,
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like, you know, I don't wanna start getting out color meters.
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- We're gonna argue whether something,
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whether the new Aqua iMac is green or blue, right?
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We don't want to be in that situation.
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That way lies more madness than we already have.
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- And then the Invent a Color round
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is we need to pick a marketing name for a color.
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You got it. - Which is amazing.
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That's my favorite one.
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All right. - Okay.
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- What is your boring color?
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The most boring color of all is silver.
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I choose silver.
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- Silver was my first choice.
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- It is the most, like, is Apple not gonna offer it
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Of course it is.
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- So I'm not asking for you here,
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but I'm just gonna talk, speak this aloud, all right?
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- All right.
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- My next two are Starlight and Space Gray.
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Starlight is a newer one, right?
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- I'm worried about this, 'cause it sure looks like
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Starlight and Midnight are the new Silver and Space Gray.
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haven't brought them to a bunch of products
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that are, you know, they're not yet,
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it's not yet clear that they're gonna be everywhere.
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- Oh, I've made my decision.
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- Like, are they gonna make a Starlight MacBook Pro?
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- You've helped me make my decision,
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which is I'm going with Space Gray.
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- Space Gray, okay.
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- I am expecting some products that they announce
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will not get new colors,
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they will just be in the old colors.
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- Uh-huh, yeah, that's part of the game.
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- The nice gray is the old colors, right?
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- Now we get complaints in the chat now
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that you shouldn't be able to pick silver.
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And the answer is this is the boring of color people.
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This is what it's all about.
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The good news is, boring color round is now over.
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- Silver to be a color that Apple offers anymore.
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But they do, so what do you want from us?
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- Exactly, exactly.
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Can you imagine all the people who are gonna be angry
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if they replace silver with starlight and they're like,
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no, it's slightly different.
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I had a Starlight review unit and I looked at it
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and I was like, is this different?
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And you had to literally had to hold it next to a silver one
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and then you'd be like, sort of, a little bit, not a lot.
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All right, it's color time.
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I got to pick a color.
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We've got Mac books and Mac minis and an iPad Air.
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- And an iPhone SE.
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- And an iPhone SE.
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- And I will also just note for the record,
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one of the picks that we did not pick,
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but I would mention it here,
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Apple announces a new color to the iPhone 13 line,
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which they did do last time with the purple one.
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- Right, so that might be part of it too.
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- Easter iPhone.
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- I'm gonna go with...
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Oh, this is a tough one.
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Well, it's just we're gonna go with green.
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I'm gonna take green.
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Thought about product red there for a minute, but I went with green.
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You just put an idea in my brain.
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But it's not on the list, though.
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You can pick product red if you want.
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I'm picking red.
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Product red.
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My actual colors that I had that I was going to pick is purple, blue and orange.
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They were the three.
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Purple I was going to abandon even though it was my top one because then when thinking about it,
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I don't think they're going to do a purple iPhone two times in a row.
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And orange was high up there for me because orange is like a good color for Apple these days.
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Apple product name color of our own.
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Now here's the thing, this is what we're gonna go with here.
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There's two options on the table.
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Do you either A, put an adjective
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in front of a standard color?
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You'll say Pacific blue of the world.
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Or do you go starlight and just pick a random word?
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- Ah yes, that's right.
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- Any color can be assigned to.
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- Supernova.
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- Rhinoceros or something.
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- I choose deep blue sea.
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- All right, interesting.
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That's a completely new convention
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where the color name is in the middle.
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- Sure, I'm breaking new ground here.
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- Sea blue, Jason, why deep blue sea?
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All right, so--
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- Well, they got sky blue
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and it's like the devil in the deep blue sea.
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It's the deep blue sea.
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Deep blue sea is, I've just decided,
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sea blue is probably better, but it's too late.
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I have three. I'm trying to pick which one. I tell you the one I think that I had that I don't think it will be.
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Cosmic Black. That was one of them. But I'm going to go with Spring Yellow.
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Oh, okay. Safari Green was my other one. But Safari Green. That feels very pro.
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So my Safari green, Safari green is my iMac Pro color.
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- Spring yellow is what I'm gonna go with for,
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and I'm betting spring yellow on a potential iPhone color.
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That's where I'm going with that.
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- Here's a question for you.
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- Are we gonna count cases in this?
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- No, no, this is just on the hardware.
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- Computers, phones, that kind of stuff, right?
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So we'll have to double check
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'cause obviously that opens us up a lot, right?
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And could take us quite a while
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to check through all this stuff.
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- We'll see.
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Maybe that's a thing, maybe in future, right?
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We could start including.
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We'll see how the cut draft of the ColorZar goes.
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- I fear that the end result here
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is going to be either a boring tie or a win
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because of more silver things or more gray things.
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But we're still fine tuning the ColorZar draft.
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- Who knows how it's gonna go.
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- Yeah, it does.
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So that's it. That draft is complete.
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The episode is not over.
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I had a few more things I want to get to today,
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but the draft is now done.
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I have no idea about this one.
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I don't feel confident,
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but I don't feel like you've taken it.
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So, you know, I'm just like,
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we're just going to see how this one plays out.
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Maybe there won't even be an event.
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- The one pick here of yours
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that I raise my eyebrows at the most is the M2 chip.
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But-- - Oh yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, yeah. - We'll see.
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- Yeah, we'll see.
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Howdy partner!
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Hey there partner, it's time for the room roundup!
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So I thought, I still wanted to go through some of this stuff, some things that may be
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of an effect to the event itself, but I wanted to obviously talk about them after we've made
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our picks so as not to sway our opinions. The Sheriff of Rumorville, Mark Gurman, expects
01:05:10
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Apple to release seven new Macs in 2022. This includes a new Mac Mini with an M1 Pro chip,
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a 13-inch MacBook Pro with an M2 chip. See if I would have read this and then a Mac Mini
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with an M2 chip. Come on, Mark, you got my back. A 24-inch iMac with an M2 chip, a redesigned
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MacBook Air with an M2 chip, a larger iMac Pro with M1 Pro and M1 Max chip options, and
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a half-sized Mac Pro, the first of Apple Silicon, with the equivalent of either two or four
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M1 Max chips.
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Now we have heard about all of these things, I feel like over the last year or so, but
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the idea, just laying it out there, seven new Macs in 2022, woo boy.
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- Yeah, yeah, including the big iMac and the Mac Pro
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and the first wave of M2 Macs as well.
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That's pretty sweet, pretty sweet.
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- It's gonna be a big, big important, yeah.
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Now, Mark's guess for March, the March event,
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is MacBook Pro and Mac Mini.
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Mark feels pretty confident about that.
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And he goes on to mention, more releases expected
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in the May/June timeframe could be the Mac Pro,
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unsure of the window of the iMac Pro,
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but between now and June seeming the most likely.
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- I still don't think we're gonna see a release
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of a Mac Pro in June.
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- I, yeah, I still think that the most likely scenario
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is that the Mac Pro gets teased and then releases later,
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but who knows?
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I mean, they've got the M1 Pro and Macs chips out there now.
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If they've got them, then they're obviously,
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they've got all the parts
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and they just need to put it together.
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So who knows?
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That's part of the excitement of having Apple
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not be constrained by Intel product releases
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is we don't really know what Apple's full array
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of Apple Silicon Macs is gonna be.
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And then we don't know what their update schedule
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is gonna be.
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And this is gonna be our first data point to really,
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'cause you gotta connect two events
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to start making extrapolations.
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And we haven't had two events of any Apple Silicon product.
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We've only had introductions.
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So we're gonna really get a sense.
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And the M2, I think the M2 is really interesting.
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Like is this next event the M2 rollout?
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And you go into the chip lab, it could be.
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And you talk about we're doing this next generation M2
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and the first place it's going is the MacBook Pro.
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And that's what differentiates it,
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at least momentarily from the MacBook Air
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is that it's got the better chip in it,
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which then the MacBook Air will get later.
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So I don't know, maybe, maybe could be.
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That would be, I think it would not be unreasonable
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for this event to be putting the M1 Pro and Max
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in Pro-E hardware like the Mac mini
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and the, and maybe even an iMac,
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and then putting the M2 in a new lower end piece of hardware
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like the 13-inch MacBook Pro.
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Maybe, maybe, I could see that.
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- Jon Prosser has shared a leaked schematic
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of the iPhone 14 which shows both a hole punch camera and a pill shaped face ID sensor with
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no more notch. This has been rumoured before but this schematic seems to show some of the
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sizing, the sizing being much larger than people expected. It's expected that this
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kind of like jewel hole punch cut out screen will find its way to all of the iPhone 14
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later on this year.
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I don't think we've spoken about this at all.
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I kind of wanted to get your thoughts
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on this overall design.
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So losing the notch and having kind of some holes
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be cut into the screen,
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but having the screen flow around them.
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What is your take on this?
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- Well, you know, Apple can define areas that are not,
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you know, that are not safe.
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The notch is one version of it.
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This might be a different one.
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I think Apple has shown that they know how to hide this stuff
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when necessary and keep the software in line.
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So this would just be a way to reduce the visibility
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of the notch a little bit.
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I think we all expected that they were going to continue
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to slim things down as much as possible
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until they can get to the point where it's all invisible.
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I don't know.
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I think it'll be interesting to see
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what it actually looks like in use
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and how Apple handles the software.
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I imagine that for most cases it will be up in the,
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you know, up in the display bar area or just below it.
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And we'll, you know, Apple will try to discourage
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the use of the space around it for general purpose.
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And I don't know, I mean, I'm fine with it.
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I have come to not care about the notch at all.
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Every now and then a tweet makes its way into my timeline
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where somebody makes a notch joke and I think, really?
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Like, oh, okay.
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I'm over it.
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And even on the MacBook Pro, I think the notch is fine
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because they've done a good job
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of basically making it irrelevant.
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So it doesn't really bother me
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and I doubt this would bother me either.
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I think we'll all get used to it.
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And I think Apple's goal is ultimately
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to reduce that space as much as possible.
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- Yeah, I don't think about the notches
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on any of my devices.
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Because it's not, it doesn't impede me in any way.
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And for this, it's like it would only be better because, you know, I don't imagine people
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going to start putting content behind there.
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But like, you know, like most applications and websites or whatever now they just have
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like a blank color up at the top.
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And this way the color would just flow around more neatly.
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You know, I think it would feel more integrated as part of the overall design.
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I would be totally fine with this.
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And it is with the idea that like, this is the next step or maybe in another three or
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just from a quality perspective, but this is how this stuff begins. And I think that
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this makes a lot of sense for them to go in this direction. Plus, it will make another
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iPhone visibly different. And we all know what happens when iPhones are visibly different.
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They sell a lot of them.
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I mean, I think external hardware-shaped stuff is more powerful, but I agree. Any change
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is good and that we all agree that the ultimate goal here is to have the sensors be invisible,
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but they can't do that yet. So here we are.
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- DigiTimes is reporting that Apple's headset hardware has passed some important hardware
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tests indicating that it could actually be indeed ready for a late 2022 release.
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- Well, congratulations headset on passing your exams.
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- A star I heard.
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- Nice, nice, it's an S tier now.
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- This has just been a timeline
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that feels pretty elastic right now.
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I feel like every couple of weeks,
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there's something about like, is it this year?
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Is it next year?
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Is it this year?
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Is it next year?
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- The beauty of having an unannounced product
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that doesn't replace any other product is,
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it's ready when it's ready.
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And they didn't promise anything.
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They literally haven't announced it.
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- Not yet they haven't.
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So it's, this sounds to me like they're gearing up
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to release a product, right?
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And it's just a matter of when,
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and that is to be determined.
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But it sounds like they are,
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they're going through all the steps,
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so it's clear that there's gonna be a product.
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The question is just what the details are,
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and when does it happen,
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and when does it announce, and when does it ship?
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- And this, it puts the potential back on the table
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for soft, like SDKs at WWDC.
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You know, if all rumors indicate
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that this is not a 2022 product,
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then the likelihood of them talking about it at WWDC
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slims down and it may then do what I think
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they will do anyway, but have its own dedicated
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software announcement event along with the hardware tease.
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But if, you know, I think if there is still
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the rumors are pointing to, oh no,
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it actually is gonna come out at the end of this year,
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then we could be in the situation where they could
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actually talk about it at WWDC,
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even though I still think they won't.
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I think WWDC and the iPhone release
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are the best times to talk about it.
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And just remember the Apple watch was at an iPhone event
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because it's the most watched event.
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So in some ways it's the best place
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to make a strategic announcement if you're Apple.
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And they could do either of those
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or have a standalone event.
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I think if they're not shipping it soon,
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a standalone event makes less sense.
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But they've got room to play.
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Like I think WWDC would be great, but who are we kidding?
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if they announce a new platform in September and say it's going to ship by the end of the
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year, the developers will still be paying attention.
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- Especially when I think any developer that is somewhat serious thinks they might have
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an application that could work for this and/or thinks they might have an idea. I mean, ARKit
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exists. You can start doing base level work for what understanding what AR is, you know?
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It's not like this is the Apple watch.
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It's like, "Well, what can I do?
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I can't do anything."
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But with this, it's obviously not the same, exactly,
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but you can start getting ahead on yourself
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by understanding how an AR kit works.
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- And they've been doing that for years now,
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so a lot of them are already on top of it.
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- And Sports Business Journal is reporting,
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as many others have before,
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but with a little bit more information potentially,
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that Apple is still in talks with the NFL
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to acquire the streaming rights to Sunday Ticket.
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Amazon and Apple are apparently the front runners
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for this deal, which would start in 2023.
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- Yeah, Amazon has been aggressive on sports stuff.
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They got the Thursday Night Football franchise from the NFL.
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This is, Sunday Ticket is a premium service
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that's been on DirecTV for a very long time,
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where you can watch any game,
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and not just the games that are airing in your local,
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area because NFL games almost all run on Sundays in two-time slots. And if you're a fan of
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a team from a far-off city, you can't watch it unless you pay for NFL Sunday Ticket, which
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has been limited to people using satellite service, DirecTV. So Apple and Amazon are
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both interested in it, which I think is interesting. We know Apple's interested in live sports,
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they haven't done a lot.
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This would be a very interesting question too about,
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I imagine this would be a premium on top of,
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or separate from Apple TV+,
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which would be also fascinating, right?
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A different subscription service potentially.
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I used to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber.
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It's a fun service that actually gets better
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with more interactive features.
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And like being able to put everything up in a box
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and flip between games or have it auto flip between games.
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And there's also the Red Zone Channel,
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which is a channel you can tune in
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that basically has an announcer who switches you
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between games when interesting things are happening.
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- That's fun.
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- A lot of stuff that they could do there.
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And then there are also some rumors
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about Apple being involved
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in a major league baseball conversation.
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Some possibilities there include,
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I saw a report that said that it could be
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a kind of a whip around service like the NFL Red Zone,
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which doesn't really exist right now,
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where you basically have a channel that you can tune in
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that is taking you between different baseball games
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as they're going on.
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And that might be a fun kind of product as well.
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So Apple has not done any of this yet,
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but is definitely in the running
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for a bunch of live sports stuff.
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- Do you think that there is any possibility
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of them doing something like NFL Sunday Ticket
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included in Apple TV+ as it currently is,
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like as a way to bring more people in?
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- It's gonna cost them a fortune to buy the thing,
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but that's the question, right?
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Is you could build a whole separate business on it
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or you could roll it into Apple TV+
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and use it as an inducement.
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It would be, let me just say,
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way cheaper than NFL Sunday Ticket currently goes for,
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but they could do it.
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- There was nothing from the article that
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Disney is also in the running,
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but is offering significantly less money than Amazon and Apple,
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according to Sports Business Journal, for the Sunday ticket.
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All right, saddle up.
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That's the end of the round-up.
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-All right, we're out of here.
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We're going to ride off into the sunset.
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We're going to finish out today, Jason, with some hashtag ask upgrade questions.
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I wondered if there was going to be any kind of like, would the lasers turn into like gunfire
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or something?
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Like I wonder what it was going to be.
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How did that horse get in here?
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- The laser horse. - That's from the roundup.
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- Laser horse.
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Oh, did you just shoot at the horse?
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Jason, oh my God.
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Oh wait, I see the horse got away.
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The horse got away. - They laser horses,
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don't they? - Don't worry.
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The horse got away.
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Claude asks, "What do you use to uninstall
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non App Store Mac apps?
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And why doesn't Apple have a built-in uninstall utility
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for applications?"
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Do you remember AppSapper, Jason?
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Do you remember AppSapper?
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- I was thinking about this recently.
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What a wonderful piece of software.
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- So here's the idea.
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The idea is that an app keeps everything in its app package.
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So you just delete the app package and it's deleted.
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So that's what I do is if I uninstall an app,
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what I do is you delete it.
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Now I get it that sometimes there are things
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that are more complex.
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Ideally an app with more complex,
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like files running in various places,
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you can, you know, you should provide like an uninstaller
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or something like that.
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But most apps are not that complicated,
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even if they're not in the Mac App Store.
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Most apps live in their little bundle.
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And yeah, they may have like a cache file somewhere
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or preferences file somewhere.
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Honestly, I would say given the size of storage these days,
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don't worry about it.
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And also it means that if you delete that app
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and want it back later, your preferences will still be there
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and so it'll all still work when you re-download it.
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So I don't, honestly, I don't sweat it,
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but that's why Apple doesn't have
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built-in uninstall utility is it does actually it's the it's the trash you
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drag the app into the trash that's it I'm getting some suggestions from the
01:21:56
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discord Justin Hamilton suggests hazel is an application that when you know
01:22:00
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like is an application that when you delete something it'll say hey here's
01:22:03
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some stuff that you could also delete which is cool and Emma uses an
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application called app cleaner for these reasons yeah because they're sometimes
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it just isn't that simple it just is I understand what you're saying Jason but
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sometimes there are apps that you do wanna get rid of.
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It's not, I don't feel like I need this.
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I do what you do.
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I just drag it out.
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- Yeah, the challenge is,
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are the cleaner apps really getting everything?
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And mostly what this is an issue for
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is something that's like,
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it's asked you for your password to install something down
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somewhere in the system where it's running a thing
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in the background when you start up or something like that.
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And ideally that would have an uninstaller.
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If these apps can help with that, that's great.
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You could also use a utility like Lingon,
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which looks at your whole, like,
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automatic task set on your Mac,
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and you can remove all those startup things
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or uncheck them. - What is this?
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What is that? - Lingon, L-I-N-G-O-N,
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like Lingonberries. - Okay.
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- Lingon X, it's by Peter Borg.
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And that's actually what I use,
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'cause you can also use it to schedule stuff.
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It's like a Cron jobs and system jobs and all of that.
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But it's the same thing.
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So anyway, there are ways.
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And I don't doubt that there are apps
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where you wanna do a little more work.
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But again, I will just say,
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the size of our hard drives
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and really the power of our computers,
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I think you can get way too obsessed
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with cleanup on your computer
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when it's not really necessary.
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And then in most cases, if you delete the app,
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you've uninstalled it.
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- Mork wants to know, don't do it again, Jason.
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Do you think- - Shot his butt.
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- Oh, he did it.
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Do you think the touch bar would still be with us?
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It kind of is, but you know,
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if it was something closer to the stream deck,
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a row of dynamic physical keys
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that adapted to the context of what you were doing.
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- Yeah, so yes, two things here.
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One is, yes, the biggest condemnation of the Stream Deck
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is not from the people on the outside
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who said the Stream Deck is dumb.
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It's from inside Apple,
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'cause Apple never made any attempt
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to make the Touch Bar better.
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They never did, they never did.
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Stream Deck, the software's not that great, right?
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But Stream Deck lets you assign tasks to the keys
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And from that, you can run scripts and stuff like that,
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and you can kind of get out into the wider world.
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And although you could modify the Touch Bar to do that
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with something like Better Touch Tool,
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Apple never made, beyond like adding some
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finder services shortcuts that you could put in the Touch Bar
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like Apple never made any attempt to make the Touch Bar
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a general purpose set of assignable macros.
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They like, instead they said,
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oh, every app is gonna do it,
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but the user isn't gonna be involved.
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I think it was a huge mistake.
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They misconceived it and they never corrected it.
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So yes, if you could have done something
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like what we can do with the Stream Deck
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to have a user completely program the touch bar
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and had it be part of macOS
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or had it be open to third parties
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in an actual usable legal way,
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which BetterTouchTool was kind of a hack
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and it's amazing what it could do,
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but it was super hacky and not as nice
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as it should have been, not their fault.
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It's the fault of Apple for forcing them to do it that way.
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But yeah, Stream Deck shows that something like Touch Bar
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could have been better.
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And then what Mork also says here is a row of physical keys
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that adapted to the context of what you're doing.
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That's the other problem with Touch Bar
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was you couldn't feel for it because it was a flat surface.
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And Stream Deck, those are buttons.
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You can feel them, you can use them,
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you can navigate by feel,
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you can find the bottom left corner
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and then count over two buttons and press the button.
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Like you can do all of that.
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And you had to look at the touch bar.
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So I think that would have made the touch bar more useful.
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I'm not entirely,
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other than the fact that Apple's been burned,
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like I would love to see Apple experiment
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with the idea of something
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where it was more like a dynamic function key,
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where it was a function key with a little screen beneath it
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and it could change
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and it would actually change the look of the key.
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I don't think they're gonna do that
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because I think that they've been burned
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and they've stopped trying to innovate on the keyboard
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and maybe we should all just be relieved that they have.
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But yes, absolutely.
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If something like the Stream Deck can get people excited
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with the software that is really not that great,
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but it enables a lot,
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imagine what would have happened if Apple had allowed,
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either built it themselves or allowed third parties
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to really get in there and play with the touch bar.
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But they didn't, and now it's gone, almost.
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- I don't think forever though.
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'Cause I do think that idea, the idea was a good one.
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And even if they do end up doing what you've suggested
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or like this rumor that we might talk about
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in a future episode of just like,
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it's all screen baby, the whole thing, you know?
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Like at some point I think the idea of this is a area
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area of the keyboard which is dynamic and gives you what you need it was a
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good idea just not very well executed for various reasons. Yeah I would be a
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big fan of replacing the F keys with keys that could be programmable because
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the great thing about the stream deck is you have keys and then the labels
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will change based on your context. And I think if Apple did something like that, and what's funny
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about it is that Apple already sort of has taken a step in this direction, right? Because Apple has
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stolen the F keys and instead made them hardware control keys, and then you have to press the globe
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or the function key in order to get back to the traditional F keys. And then they've started to
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label them. And one of the nice things about a programmable set of F keys is that you could show,
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this is volume up, this is volume down, and yet in a different context it could show something
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different. That would be really interesting, but again it would require Apple to try and
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reinvent the function row again, and I wonder if they're going to leave that for a while because
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they had this whole touch bar thing and it was a flop, and so are they going to go back there and
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and take another run at it or not, I don't know.
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- Not H.G. asks, "In which tab in photos
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"do you usually view your photos?"
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Are you in the library?
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Are you in the album?
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Or is it For You is another one, right?
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- For me, I've stuck to like what I know,
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what it used to be, like what it always was.
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Albums, Recents.
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That's where I like to view my images.
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Because sometimes if I look in the other tabs,
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it can sort things chronologically, which isn't always necessarily the way that I want
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it, right? Like, as in, like, actual date chronologically. Like, imagine that I've saved
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something from some—like, someone sent me, right? Then it might actually—if I go in
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the other tab, it wouldn't be my most recent image. It could actually be three weeks ago
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or whatever. So I like albums, recents. That's where I view all my images is what I'm used
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to, is what I like.
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It's perfectly reasonable. I just use the library. Your way is probably better, but
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that's not what I do. I generally I just use library. It's not about better. It's
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just what I'm used to. I don't think it's better necessarily, you know. No, I think
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it might be. I think for what the reasons you said of not having something that
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sorts further up and it's it's you you just want to get the thing you just
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added and it's like why is it not right here and the answer is well it's a
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little higher up. I don't know. I just use the library straight up. I will give
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you a bit of long-term follow-up that all of the problems I had with the
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images sharing thing remain. I still have images that go back months and
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months and months that Adina sent me when she was at home and I was at the
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studio. I have images here I'm looking at, like pictures that were sent
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to me back from June 2020 that I haven't saved to my library and they've still
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got that speech bubble on them. That feature just never really worked for me
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and I've left it on but I still don't think it's what I want.
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Lastly, Franken asks, on the Mac, what quick settings take up real estate in your menu
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bar and which ones do you keep in control center?
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So as a refresher in control center, you can drag things out of control center and put
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them in the menu bar.
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For me, focus and the sound, I dragged them out and left them out.
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Everything else I've kept in there.
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I experimented a while, I put Bluetooth up there or whatever, but ultimately control
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Center was perfectly fine. What about you? Have there been any that have found their
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way out of Control Center? On my iMac, nothing. Okay. On my MacBook Air, Wi-Fi, and battery
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are both up there. Oh yeah, battery, battery, yeah I've moved that out on my laptop. I'm
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looking on my iMac right now, so obviously I don't have battery on my iMac. I actually
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- I do because I have a UPS.
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- Oh, and it shows him the control center for battery?
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- Oh, that's cool.
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- There's a little USB thing that comes out of most UPSs
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and you plug them in and it allows it to communicate
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with the Mac and tell it,
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it can tell it how much battery it's got
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and the Mac can use that setting.
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If you haven't done this,
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if you have a UPS and a desktop Mac,
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it will show up if you attach its little USB thing
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and it allows the Mac to do things
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like when the power is out,
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when does the Mac shut down?
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And so you can say like keep running until the UPS battery
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is down at 10% or whatever, and then auto shut down.
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So it'll actually work with the UPS,
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be aware of how much power is still left in the UPS battery.
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So if I click on control center right now on my iMac,
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I have a little battery indicator that says 100%.
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- Yeah, it's kind of fun.
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But anyway, I don't have any of those.
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I've got a lot of menu bar items up there,
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but they're the ones that I've chosen to be there
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and they're not the standard Apple ones.
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And then, but on my Mac, on my MacBook Air, it makes sense to like have quick
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access to wifi and battery.
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If you would like to send in a question of your own, you could just send out a
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tweet with the hashtag #askupgrade.
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There you go.
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It's not Snell Talk, it's #askupgrade.
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Uh, or you can use question mark ask upgrade in the relay FM members discord.
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We'll be back next week.
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Who knows what day, maybe by the time you're hearing this, you'll know.
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I mean, honestly, if you're listening to this episode, like late Tuesday or
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Wednesday and they have not announced an event, right, then it's, you know, we're back on
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Yes, a lot of listeners of Upgrade will have gotten to this point and they'll either not
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think this is an unusual draft at all or they'll be very, they'll be laughing at us basically.
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But the draft is locked in, as they say.
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Nobody says that, but they could say that.
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Oh, there was more.
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Apparently lasers lock the draft as well.
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Yes, sometimes.
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And the draft is now solidified until it's cast, concrete has been poured on it.
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The die is cast.
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And the concrete has been poured on it until we smash it open.
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And who knows, we could smash it open next week or it might be smashed open in three
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weeks or just sent out to sea.
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I don't know what this metaphor is that I'm building right now.
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I don't know what things are cast and then put in concrete and then sent out to sea.
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But I don't know.
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You know, this is just stuff that I'm talking about.
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If you would like to find us online, you can go to sixcolors.com for Jason.
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You can go to @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L, that's also Jason.
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I would like to thank our sponsors of this week's episode, that is Memberful, Zocdoc,
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I would like to thank you all for listening, and especially to our Upgrade Plus supporters
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who get longer ad-free episodes.
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Thank you for supporting the show.
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We'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye to Jason Snow.
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Goodbye Mark Hurley.
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