Upgrade

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00:00:15 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, Episode 409.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Ooni Pizza Ovens, Zok Dok, and Mode.

00:00:24 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hi, Jason Snow.

00:00:27 ◼   ► That sound you heard there, Myke, was the uh the Memorial Day Parade passing by playing the upgrade

00:00:33 ◼   ► draft theme. That's isn't that nice? This is how it works. The Memorial Day Parade, they get to the end of the parade

00:00:38 ◼   ► and then they just turn a sharp turn and just go straight into the draft. Like, you know, they're

00:00:44 ◼   ► like, we're done with that part. They go right down Parade Street and then make a right on Draft Avenue.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Yep, and here they are on the intersection of parades and drafts. That is us. We are. That's us.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - That is us, never has that been more true than today.

00:00:58 ◼   ► - So we are drafting today for WWDC,

00:01:01 ◼   ► but before we get to that,

00:01:02 ◼   ► I have a hashtag snail talk question comes from Nico.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Nico asks, if an Apple event was leaked online

00:01:08 ◼   ► after the draft, but before the scheduled time,

00:01:11 ◼   ► would you watch the leaked video

00:01:13 ◼   ► or wait for the official Apple release?

00:01:15 ◼   ► - I like things that are framed as sort of like spoilers.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Like, people talk about how we cover rumors and all that,

00:01:25 ◼   ► and sometimes people are -- they view them like spoilers

00:01:27 ◼   ► for a movie or a TV show.

00:01:31 ◼   ► But what I would say to Nico is,

00:01:33 ◼   ► if you were covering the White House

00:01:38 ◼   ► and you got a piece of information about a speech

00:01:41 ◼   ► that the president was going to give

00:01:43 ◼   ► and you were working for a news organization,

00:01:46 ◼   ► would you wait for the president to give the speech?

00:01:49 ◼   ► And the answer is no, because it's your job.

00:01:52 ◼   ► So no, if there was a leaked,

00:01:54 ◼   ► if there was leaked information beforehand,

00:01:56 ◼   ► I would absolutely watch it or get it or read it

00:02:00 ◼   ► or whatever immediately, because I feel like it's my job

00:02:03 ◼   ► to see it and maybe write about it

00:02:06 ◼   ► or do whatever is necessary.

00:02:08 ◼   ► So I appreciate the fact that everybody out there

00:02:12 ◼   ► kind of uses stuff from entertainment purposes,

00:02:14 ◼   ► but for my purposes, it's like, it's what I do.

00:02:17 ◼   ► So if something leaked, I would be there immediately.

00:02:21 ◼   ► - I just don't think I would be able to stop myself.

00:02:24 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:02:26 ◼   ► Like if a video like this, I would just be like,

00:02:28 ◼   ► there's no way I can't watch this.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Just because for the like, how historic it would be

00:02:33 ◼   ► that it even had leaked, you know what I mean?

00:02:35 ◼   ► You'd be like, oh, and then you gotta watch the official one

00:02:39 ◼   ► and see if it matches up.

00:02:42 ◼   ► Or does anything change?

00:02:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I wouldn't be able to stop myself.

00:02:45 ◼   ► I wouldn't be able to stop myself.

00:02:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, so we would not wait, Nico, not at all.

00:02:51 ◼   ► If you would like to send in a Snow Talk question

00:02:53 ◼   ► for us to open the show,

00:02:54 ◼   ► just send out a tweet with the hashtag Snow Talk

00:02:56 ◼   ► or use question mark Snow Talk

00:02:57 ◼   ► in the Real FM members discord.

00:02:59 ◼   ► Since we last spoke, everything's changed.

00:03:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, there's a lot happening, a lot happening.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Remember when we would idly discuss what would happen

00:03:11 ◼   ► if Apple did go back to an in-person event

00:03:15 ◼   ► and we said, yeah, but you know, COVID levels are rising

00:03:19 ◼   ► and it's already two weeks away.

00:03:22 ◼   ► It's not likely that they would do something like that.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Well, we'll be together next week, you and I.

00:03:31 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:03:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:35 ◼   ► We're going down to Apple Park, Jason and I.

00:03:38 ◼   ► I'm flying over to California at the end of the week,

00:03:41 ◼   ► which is very unexpected and wasn't-

00:03:43 ◼   ► - Surprise, California.

00:03:45 ◼   ► - Wasn't at all planned for.

00:03:46 ◼   ► We're gonna be out in San Jose and San Francisco for a bit.

00:03:51 ◼   ► We are both going to Apple Park for the keynote.

00:03:57 ◼   ► As it stands right now, don't really know what that means.

00:04:01 ◼   ► - It's your first.

00:04:01 ◼   ► - Yes, it is my first.

00:04:03 ◼   ► So it's pretty monumental for me.

00:04:05 ◼   ► This is the first keynote that I've been invited for.

00:04:09 ◼   ► It's the first keynote I will see in an official capacity.

00:04:12 ◼   ► - You did like crawl through the piping

00:04:15 ◼   ► and the ventilation shafts.

00:04:16 ◼   ► - Well, I mean like--

00:04:17 ◼   ► - Sneak into a couple others.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - For all we know, I'll be sitting in a room

00:04:21 ◼   ► or on some chair somewhere watching a video

00:04:24 ◼   ► that I could watch at home, right?

00:04:25 ◼   ► Like there is a strong possibility that that's the case.

00:04:27 ◼   ► - You may literally just be sitting in the parking lot

00:04:30 ◼   ► watching things on a screen.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - But nevertheless, they said, "Hey, do you wanna come?"

00:04:36 ◼   ► And I was like, "Yes, I do.

00:04:37 ◼   ► "I do in fact want to do that."

00:04:40 ◼   ► So we're gonna be there for,

00:04:42 ◼   ► we're gonna be kind of doing various things over a few days.

00:04:45 ◼   ► Basically what this means though,

00:04:47 ◼   ► we do not know exactly when our post WWDC episode

00:04:53 ◼   ► will be recorded and released.

00:04:54 ◼   ► It will be Monday.

00:04:56 ◼   ► - Yes, for sure.

00:04:57 ◼   ► - And we reckon it will be late afternoon-ish.

00:05:00 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:05:01 ◼   ► - So if you wanna listen along live,

00:05:04 ◼   ► we will be tweeting about it,

00:05:05 ◼   ► we'll be posting updates as we have them,

00:05:07 ◼   ► and then we will be recording and streaming

00:05:09 ◼   ► as soon as we can.

00:05:11 ◼   ► If anything really, it might actually be like

00:05:13 ◼   ► it's been for the last few years

00:05:14 ◼   ► where we've actually, well, I said last year,

00:05:17 ◼   ► the last few years of WWDC in person, like 2018, 2019.

00:05:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, the pre-pandemic, it's gonna, that's my guess,

00:05:24 ◼   ► this is gonna be very much pre-pandemic kind of thing

00:05:27 ◼   ► where I go to the keynote

00:05:29 ◼   ► and then sometimes there are briefings and things.

00:05:32 ◼   ► So it gets pushed back a little bit.

00:05:34 ◼   ► And you know, don't hold us to this,

00:05:36 ◼   ► but my guess is it's gonna be more like

00:05:38 ◼   ► a three or 4 p.m. Pacific record time

00:05:41 ◼   ► because we're gonna have to do whatever Apple has in store

00:05:44 ◼   ► for us, which I just want to be clear, with a week to go,

00:05:47 ◼   ► we don't know. - We don't know.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - We don't know anything really about

00:05:51 ◼   ► what this is going to be. - I have like time windows.

00:05:52 ◼   ► - It's great for the draft.

00:05:53 ◼   ► - I mean, and honestly-- - Bad for personal planning,

00:05:55 ◼   ► great for the draft. - Yeah, I mean,

00:05:56 ◼   ► I know what you mean, but they're like,

00:05:57 ◼   ► "Hey, just be available."

00:05:59 ◼   ► I'm like, "Well, I mean, what else am I gonna do?

00:06:00 ◼   ► "You know, I'm there, whatever you want from me,

00:06:02 ◼   ► "you got me, you know?"

00:06:03 ◼   ► So I actually kind of like the mystery of it all

00:06:06 ◼   ► at the moment. - All right.

00:06:08 ◼   ► - It's just my first time, you know,

00:06:09 ◼   ► so I'm just gonna take whatever they give me.

00:06:12 ◼   ► Well, I'm a local, so I have to think about more logistics.

00:06:15 ◼   ► I can't just sort of, like, be there,

00:06:16 ◼   ► and I have family things that week and all that.

00:06:18 ◼   ► So there's a lot going on, a lot of moving parts.

00:06:20 ◼   ► We'll figure it out.

00:06:21 ◼   ► But, yeah, I think late afternoon,

00:06:24 ◼   ► hopefully we will do our thing and stream it live

00:06:28 ◼   ► and do all that and then release the episode.

00:06:30 ◼   ► So, you know, by Monday night Pacific,

00:06:33 ◼   ► the episode will be out with our immediate thoughts

00:06:35 ◼   ► straight from the ground in Cupertino.

00:06:38 ◼   ► -Yeah, and it's going to be --

00:06:39 ◼   ► I have no doubt the vibe's going to be totally different

00:06:41 ◼   ► 'Cause like I was thinking about this,

00:06:43 ◼   ► during the keynotes, I've like got my laptop open

00:06:45 ◼   ► and I'm taking notes.

00:06:46 ◼   ► I'm not expecting to do that.

00:06:48 ◼   ► So I'm hoping to try and find some time after the keynote

00:06:53 ◼   ► before we record to actually make a bunch of notes.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Like I've decided, I've made the decision,

00:06:59 ◼   ► I'm not gonna have a computer in front of me.

00:07:01 ◼   ► I'm just gonna sit there

00:07:02 ◼   ► and I'm just gonna take it in whatever it is, right?

00:07:05 ◼   ► - The Gruber method, John Gruber does that.

00:07:07 ◼   ► He has a little notebook and he jots down little thoughts

00:07:11 ◼   ► but that's it. He doesn't, he's not live covering it

00:07:14 ◼   ► or anything like that.

00:07:14 ◼   ► No, I think it's good as I have relied on you

00:07:17 ◼   ► and the ones where we do it immediately afterward

00:07:19 ◼   ► where I'm there and you're not,

00:07:21 ◼   ► I rely on you to do the like legwork of the details

00:07:27 ◼   ► because I'm in the room.

00:07:28 ◼   ► But if we're both in the room,

00:07:31 ◼   ► then we need a little more time to reflect about it.

00:07:36 ◼   ► It'll be good. It'll be great.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - It's gonna be a fun experience.

00:07:39 ◼   ► - It'll be different than the last couple of years,

00:07:41 ◼   ► maybe more like WWDC of years past,

00:07:44 ◼   ► maybe a different thing entirely.

00:07:46 ◼   ► - I mean, it will be unprecedented

00:07:47 ◼   ► 'cause we've never both gone together.

00:07:49 ◼   ► So it's gonna be different in that regard, right?

00:07:50 ◼   ► - Certainly true.

00:07:52 ◼   ► - And also, I have no doubt, whatever this presentation is,

00:07:55 ◼   ► it is not going to be like any presentation

00:07:58 ◼   ► we've seen before, because it's either gonna be

00:08:02 ◼   ► a weird WWDC, they're gonna do the whole thing on stage,

00:08:05 ◼   ► which I've been wondering is a possibility,

00:08:08 ◼   ► or they're gonna do it like some on stage, some video,

00:08:11 ◼   ► or they're gonna do all video, but there's an audience.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Whatever it is, it's gonna be different.

00:08:15 ◼   ► And I am very excited about it.

00:08:17 ◼   ► And I cannot believe we're a week away

00:08:19 ◼   ► because I have not mentally or emotionally prepared

00:08:23 ◼   ► for the fact that I am leaving the country

00:08:25 ◼   ► at the end of the week.

00:08:27 ◼   ► And I should say all of this, test dependent for me.

00:08:30 ◼   ► I have multiple stages of tests that I need to take

00:08:33 ◼   ► before this can be a thing.

00:08:34 ◼   ► - Oh yes, it's true. - Knock on wood.

00:08:36 ◼   ► We'll see how it goes.

00:08:37 ◼   ► But today we're drafting. These are the rules and some information about results.

00:08:43 ◼   ► We have done one draft so far in the calendar year of 2022. It was for Apple's March event

00:08:49 ◼   ► and Jason won that.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Historically we have completed six WWDC drafts and we are tied at three each over the years.

00:08:57 ◼   ► I won the first three, you won the subsequent three.

00:09:00 ◼   ► Oh boy.

00:09:01 ◼   ► But for this year there will be three rounds, 15 overall picks.

00:09:07 ◼   ► The draft is split into three categories.

00:09:09 ◼   ► We're going to be doing six iOS and iPadOS picks, three macOS/Mac hardware picks, five

00:09:16 ◼   ► picks for quote everything else, and there's also going to be a bonus round as well.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Of course there's always a tiebreaker, but I'll get to that in a moment.

00:09:24 ◼   ► The winner of the previous draft gets first pick, as litigated extensively over the last

00:09:29 ◼   ► few weeks.

00:09:30 ◼   ► will be Jason. Yes, that's right. People are like, "But that gives that person an advantage."

00:09:33 ◼   ► Yes, it's in the rules. Doesn't matter, that's what we're doing.

00:09:35 ◼   ► The items are chosen from a predetermined list of choices, which we have agreed are

00:09:41 ◼   ► verifiable on screen and not ridiculously obvious. That's the way that they will be

00:09:45 ◼   ► scored. So they must be on screen, not obvious. For an item to count, it must be either clearly

00:09:51 ◼   ► announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. This must be verifiable from

00:09:55 ◼   ► the keynote itself. Stephen Hackett will adjudicate in case of a scoring stalemate. There will

00:10:00 ◼   ► be no partial points awarded. The points awarded on the episode are final and finalised during

00:10:05 ◼   ► the scoring segment. In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question. The loser

00:10:10 ◼   ► gets pick of the tiebreaker. The tiebreaker is always event duration. The winner becomes

00:10:18 ◼   ► draft champion and displays the champion pennant. The loser becomes draft challenger and displays

00:10:23 ◼   ► the Challenger Pennant. There will be scorecards as always created and maintained by Zach Knox

00:10:30 ◼   ► at Upgrade.Cards and there will be a link in the show notes so you'll be able to find

00:10:34 ◼   ► that for yourself. So, Jason, tiebreaker. Do you want to pick an event runtime for me?

00:10:41 ◼   ► I'm going to say, wow this is a tough one, this is a tough one. I'm going to put it at

00:10:47 ◼   ► 119 minutes. Okay that is one minute less than two hours right? Yes. WWDC 2021

00:10:57 ◼   ► video he Googles that was 146 mm-hmm 2020 was 148 an hour and 48 so this

00:11:09 ◼   ► would be longer than the last two WWDCs right? Yes. Oh this is big for me

00:11:17 ◼   ► because we're gonna get into this but like it's the question of what is in and

00:11:21 ◼   ► what is out right like this if a headset is in it's easily over two hours yeah

00:11:27 ◼   ► this is yes that's right if there's no headset it's in my opinion less than two

00:11:33 ◼   ► hours I'll throw in one other wrinkle all right to give you all the

00:11:37 ◼   ► information that I've been thinking of when when doing this which is one of the

00:11:42 ◼   ► things we think might be a possibility is that there is an a wrapper around the

00:11:46 ◼   ► event that is the framing sequence, if you were, of Tim Cook live, right? Like one of

00:11:54 ◼   ► the possible scenarios here is that they actually will start live with Tim Cook and then they

00:11:59 ◼   ► sort of throw it into the videos. It may not be an entirely live presentation. It may be,

00:12:04 ◼   ► who knows? But let's say that a lot of it is video. I do wonder if that is a potential

00:12:10 ◼   ► complication where the fact that there is a live component and that they're doing that

00:12:15 ◼   ► in addition to the videos might make the runtime longer,

00:12:20 ◼   ► that they might build something that's a certain length,

00:12:23 ◼   ► but then they have padding on the beginning and the end

00:12:25 ◼   ► and that adds, and there may be applause

00:12:27 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:12:28 ◼   ► And I may add a little complication

00:12:29 ◼   ► beyond what they would normally do

00:12:31 ◼   ► with their completely edited together calculated time.

00:12:34 ◼   ► Or they factored it in, I don't know.

00:12:37 ◼   ► - Less, less than 190 minutes under.

00:12:42 ◼   ► - Okay, under.

00:12:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think you're right.

00:12:46 ◼   ► I really went back and forth on this.

00:12:47 ◼   ► I mean, first off, I didn't prepare.

00:12:49 ◼   ► I didn't think of it and I didn't do any research.

00:12:50 ◼   ► I might've said it a little bit lower,

00:12:52 ◼   ► but I think ultimately this is the question,

00:12:54 ◼   ► which is why I went straight up to the two hour mark,

00:12:57 ◼   ► is I think the question is,

00:12:59 ◼   ► is it so packed that they blow past two hours

00:13:01 ◼   ► or is it complicated by the live thing that might happen

00:13:04 ◼   ► so they go past two hours

00:13:06 ◼   ► or is it a more traditional WWDC runtime for online,

00:13:12 ◼   ► you know, just the streaming stuff, and in which case it'll be like the last two years and it'll be under.

00:13:18 ◼   ► I think that's the question, and I think you made a good choice.

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00:16:26 ◼   ► modedesigns.com/upgradefm. Mode. It's time to rethink keyboards. Our thanks to Mode for

00:16:32 ◼   ► their support of this show and Relay FM. Jason Sonow, are you ready to get into our first rounds

00:16:38 ◼   ► of the draft? I don't know. It's always... I'm always a little filled with trepidation here, but

00:16:45 ◼   ► we gotta do it. We do it all the time. It's a little scary, but we gotta do it. So we're gonna

00:16:51 ◼   ► - We're gonna start with iOS and iPadOS.

00:16:53 ◼   ► We've combined these into one round.

00:16:56 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:16:57 ◼   ► - What's your first pick?

00:16:58 ◼   ► - Proving that I am like Charlie Brown

00:17:05 ◼   ► trying to kick the football.

00:17:07 ◼   ► I'm doing it again.

00:17:09 ◼   ► One of these days it'll be true.

00:17:11 ◼   ► Apps can run on an external display on iPadOS.

00:17:16 ◼   ► - That is a bold first round pick, man.

00:17:21 ◼   ► - There it is.

00:17:22 ◼   ► - Wow, okay.

00:17:24 ◼   ► - I feel like maybe it's gonna happen this time.

00:17:27 ◼   ► I mean, that's what can I say?

00:17:30 ◼   ► That's what I think is, I think that's where we are,

00:17:34 ◼   ► is that it's gonna happen.

00:17:38 ◼   ► We're gonna get it, we're gonna do it.

00:17:42 ◼   ► The display is out there

00:17:43 ◼   ► and they're gonna announce an OS update

00:17:45 ◼   ► that supports that external display

00:17:46 ◼   ► now that Apple has their own compatible

00:17:49 ◼   ► with iPad external display and it's going to be in the next version of iPadOS and they're

00:17:54 ◼   ► finally going to do it. They laid the groundwork last year and they're finally going to do

00:17:57 ◼   ► it. And when it doesn't happen, you can say, "I told you so." And that's fine. I will have

00:18:02 ◼   ► heard it many, many times before, but I'm just going to keep picking it. And I think

00:18:06 ◼   ► this is this time for sure, Myke. This time for sure. I think it's really going to happen.

00:18:11 ◼   ► There are other things to talk about here that I think are pretty hand in hand with

00:18:18 ◼   ► right, 'cause I wanna talk about multitasking,

00:18:20 ◼   ► but I guess we should wait,

00:18:22 ◼   ► 'cause I'm gonna, I will assume probably

00:18:24 ◼   ► that one of us could potentially pick more stuff about this,

00:18:27 ◼   ► 'cause I feel like that this has to go hand in hand

00:18:30 ◼   ► with that, if it doesn't, we don't,

00:18:31 ◼   ► neither of us pick that, I wanna circle back to this,

00:18:34 ◼   ► but I don't wanna spoil that or tip the draft

00:18:36 ◼   ► in favor of anybody else right now.

00:18:38 ◼   ► - Sure. - I'm gonna,

00:18:39 ◼   ► you've gone pretty extreme, I think,

00:18:40 ◼   ► for that first pick, I'm going really safe.

00:18:43 ◼   ► New privacy focus features.

00:18:44 ◼   ► - Oh, new privacy focus features.

00:18:47 ◼   ► - Well, that, yeah, that's a super boring pick, Myke.

00:18:50 ◼   ► But how can you pick against it?

00:18:52 ◼   ► Apple's whole branding, like they're,

00:18:55 ◼   ► I think if you want your,

00:18:57 ◼   ► if you're a product manager or somebody at Apple who's like,

00:19:00 ◼   ► here's the feature that I wanna do,

00:19:02 ◼   ► you'd be wise to pick a privacy-focused feature, right?

00:19:06 ◼   ► I feel like, because they're gonna be like,

00:19:07 ◼   ► yes, yes, that's exactly what we want.

00:19:10 ◼   ► Because it fits, they can market it, they can promote it.

00:19:14 ◼   ► What's the next one?

00:19:14 ◼   ► Now, what would that be, Myke?

00:19:16 ◼   ► What do you think?

00:19:17 ◼   ► that privacy-focused feature be?

00:19:19 ◼   ► - Again, we met some of these things,

00:19:21 ◼   ► who knows, could come up, but I could imagine

00:19:23 ◼   ► an expansion of the private relay thing.

00:19:26 ◼   ► Maybe they do something more within apps

00:19:28 ◼   ► as well as just within web browsers.

00:19:31 ◼   ► I'm sure some other thing around tracking, you know?

00:19:35 ◼   ► They just continue to crack down on tracking

00:19:37 ◼   ► in all of its forms.

00:19:39 ◼   ► There is always the possibility of just a VPN

00:19:43 ◼   ► that Apple could make at some point.

00:19:45 ◼   ► Now they have iCloud Plus, there's more features

00:19:48 ◼   ► they could do there, which like that VPN, right,

00:19:50 ◼   ► which could actually cost money for Apple to run,

00:19:53 ◼   ► but they could make money from it, so less of a thing,

00:19:56 ◼   ► and beef up that as another service.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Like, one of the reasons I picked this is,

00:20:00 ◼   ► I feel like this was mostly enforced last year, I think,

00:20:04 ◼   ► but it's been like trickling in over the last few years.

00:20:07 ◼   ► They effectively have a privacy section

00:20:10 ◼   ► for each of the OS releases now.

00:20:12 ◼   ► So like, as part of the conversation,

00:20:15 ◼   ► like, and let's talk about privacy, right? Like, as Zach mentioned, 2021 had a whole privacy segment

00:20:21 ◼   ► itself. It ended up bleeding into other areas, like it will come up in other parts. But now as

00:20:27 ◼   ► well, considering Apple's, you know, everything they do is so intertwined, right? From the operating

00:20:31 ◼   ► systems sharing stuff, then to having services that go between them, being able to link it all

00:20:35 ◼   ► together. Privacy is basically one of their platforms. And they keep talking about it. As you

00:20:42 ◼   ► said, it's kind of in the DNA of the company at this point, and they're just going to keep

00:20:46 ◼   ► pushing on it and pushing on it and pushing on it. It could just be an expansion of stuff

00:20:50 ◼   ► they've already done. It could be new features. They honestly, they surprise me with the things

00:20:55 ◼   ► that they do. So I would, I think like I never would have predicted the mail tracking thing

00:21:00 ◼   ► from last year. Like I never would have even crossed my mind. So I expect them to do other

00:21:05 ◼   ► things along those, along that ilk.

00:21:07 ◼   ► Now, the way that this is worded in our document is "new privacy-focused features," which implies

00:21:14 ◼   ► that they're not just updates, but they're new and they're multiple.

00:21:17 ◼   ► You comfortable with that?

00:21:18 ◼   ► Well, I would say, like, it's a good question.

00:21:21 ◼   ► It's one of those tricky things, right?

00:21:24 ◼   ► If it's an existing thing, but they add new stuff to it, what does that mean?

00:21:28 ◼   ► Right?

00:21:29 ◼   ► Do you know what I mean?

00:21:30 ◼   ► Like, if it's a...

00:21:31 ◼   ► Let me think.

00:21:32 ◼   ► That would be new features in a feature.

00:21:33 ◼   ► It would be new features.

00:21:35 ◼   ► Yep.

00:21:36 ◼   ► - You confuse me, the new features in a features.

00:21:39 ◼   ► - In a feature, it's new features.

00:21:41 ◼   ► It's okay, we know when we see it.

00:21:44 ◼   ► I'm just saying if they only announce

00:21:46 ◼   ► one privacy related thing,

00:21:47 ◼   ► and it's just a small update to an existing feature,

00:21:50 ◼   ► we might have to have a conversation about it,

00:21:52 ◼   ► but I doubt that will happen.

00:21:53 ◼   ► So yeah. - Yeah, I think that's fair.

00:21:55 ◼   ► - All right, okay, my next pick.

00:21:57 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with the reverberation of two years ago,

00:22:01 ◼   ► finally making a prioritization for this version

00:22:04 ◼   ► of iOS, and I'm going to say user controllable design

00:22:09 ◼   ► and theming on iOS and iPadOS,

00:22:14 ◼   ► more user controllable design and theming.

00:22:16 ◼   ► The idea here is when you look at widgets

00:22:21 ◼   ► and the whole trend of having everybody kind of like

00:22:25 ◼   ► personalize their home screens using widgets,

00:22:32 ◼   ► I think that we're gonna see something like that

00:22:37 ◼   ► expanded with a theme system.

00:22:40 ◼   ► I mean, it could be user controllable design in detail.

00:22:43 ◼   ► If you think about what Android does,

00:22:44 ◼   ► like they let everybody control everything.

00:22:47 ◼   ► It seems to me that it's far more likely

00:22:49 ◼   ► that Apple will do a set of themes

00:22:53 ◼   ► that are kind of like an expansion of light mode

00:22:56 ◼   ► and dark mode that are a few different modes

00:23:00 ◼   ► and that apps will be able to change.

00:23:02 ◼   ► And the fact that they announced

00:23:03 ◼   ► in their accessibility thing,

00:23:05 ◼   ► that the books app is gonna have different themes,

00:23:07 ◼   ► that makes me think that this is more likely

00:23:11 ◼   ► because it's in line with that.

00:23:15 ◼   ► The idea that there is a theme control,

00:23:19 ◼   ► which allows Apple to define what the themes are

00:23:21 ◼   ► and control them, but still make it seem

00:23:24 ◼   ► like you've got some user customizability.

00:23:26 ◼   ► But whatever it is, I'm really just saying

00:23:29 ◼   ► it's gonna be the, you know,

00:23:31 ◼   ► they got the signal two years ago that,

00:23:33 ◼   ► oh, people like the widgets and being able to customize.

00:23:35 ◼   ► So let's give them a little more control

00:23:37 ◼   ► over what the look and feel of their device is.

00:23:40 ◼   ► - So this is like either it changes the home screen

00:23:44 ◼   ► or it's like a preference that you set

00:23:47 ◼   ► and it carries across app to app, right?

00:23:49 ◼   ► Because as you mentioned,

00:23:51 ◼   ► we already know this theming in the books app,

00:23:53 ◼   ► so that wouldn't get it for you.

00:23:55 ◼   ► - That doesn't, yeah, the existence of that doesn't count.

00:23:58 ◼   ► The idea here is that you're adding theming,

00:24:00 ◼   ► either it's system-wide theming

00:24:03 ◼   ► or other customizable design controls,

00:24:06 ◼   ► or it's very specific new themes in places, right?

00:24:10 ◼   ► So it could be only for the home screen,

00:24:12 ◼   ► but it would need to be a substantial user controllable

00:24:15 ◼   ► design change to the home screen

00:24:17 ◼   ► that would allow this to be there.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Or if like every stock app gets themes.

00:24:21 ◼   ► - And like maybe developers can tie into

00:24:23 ◼   ► the theme control or something.

00:24:25 ◼   ► - We'll know it when we see it.

00:24:26 ◼   ► It really is the Apple learns the lesson of two years ago,

00:24:31 ◼   ► and they're putting their time in

00:24:34 ◼   ► to make more customizability

00:24:36 ◼   ► so people can control the look of their devices.

00:24:38 ◼   ► - This is interesting, this one.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So again, like as we said, we have this list,

00:24:41 ◼   ► and then we each pair down that list for our own picks.

00:24:46 ◼   ► This one didn't make it to my short list.

00:24:48 ◼   ► I want it, but then I started thinking about it,

00:24:50 ◼   ► I was kinda like,

00:24:52 ◼   ► "I don't think they're gonna do it though."

00:24:53 ◼   ► I want them to, but I think I'm kind of in that feeling

00:24:57 ◼   ► of like, but will they?

00:25:00 ◼   ► You know, like this, will they?

00:25:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:25:04 ◼   ► To Apple, is like light and dark enough?

00:25:06 ◼   ► Like, I don't know, right?

00:25:07 ◼   ► Like, I would love something a little bit more.

00:25:09 ◼   ► I think it'd be really fun.

00:25:11 ◼   ► But like, is the existence of themes in the book app,

00:25:14 ◼   ► books app just because paper comes in different colors?

00:25:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, or because they don't wanna put themes in the OS,

00:25:20 ◼   ► but they will put it in that app.

00:25:22 ◼   ► But again, the reason I like the theme idea is that it's like,

00:25:24 ◼   ► how does Apple allow you to personalize

00:25:27 ◼   ► and customize your device?

00:25:28 ◼   ► And the answer is they devise a way to do it

00:25:30 ◼   ► where they choose for you, right?

00:25:33 ◼   ► But you could personalize it

00:25:34 ◼   ► for many of these five choices.

00:25:36 ◼   ► Oh, great.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Well, that's not really personalizing,

00:25:39 ◼   ► but that sounds very Apple to me.

00:25:42 ◼   ► - My first two picks I'm dedicating to Tim Cook

00:25:47 ◼   ► because my second pick is new AR features.

00:25:51 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Now, what does this mean?

00:25:54 ◼   ► - My expectation is iOS and iPadOS

00:25:57 ◼   ► will have new features in ARKit,

00:26:00 ◼   ► things that ARKit can't currently do,

00:26:02 ◼   ► and that they will spend some time

00:26:04 ◼   ► showing what that stuff is.

00:26:06 ◼   ► I have said on the show many times in the past,

00:26:10 ◼   ► and maybe I'm gonna say it again today,

00:26:13 ◼   ► that there, I think the likelihood of a headset is slim.

00:26:18 ◼   ► headset is slim. But I think they want to start preparing people for it and

00:26:23 ◼   ► that's going to be even more stuff that ARKit can do that could potentially end

00:26:28 ◼   ► up tying into this. And I'll say it could be ARKit, it could be AR features

00:26:33 ◼   ► Apple ads into their own apps, you know, but like there's going to be new stuff

00:26:36 ◼   ► in AR that we couldn't do on our iPhones or iPads before that we'll be able to do

00:26:42 ◼   ► with iOS 16.

00:26:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think this is interesting because,

00:26:49 ◼   ► first off, if they announce,

00:26:51 ◼   ► well, this is an iOS and iPadOS pick.

00:26:54 ◼   ► So regardless of the status of the headset,

00:26:57 ◼   ► what you're saying is there will be AR features,

00:27:00 ◼   ► AR functionality in the next version of iOS and iPadOS,

00:27:05 ◼   ► and that they will talk about it.

00:27:06 ◼   ► And that the scenario here really is that they're

00:27:09 ◼   ► cloaking the open secret that they're working on a headset in iOS and iPadOS extensions

00:27:15 ◼   ► so that the developers can work on those while we all know what's really happening behind

00:27:21 ◼   ► the scenes.

00:27:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so. I mean, like, again, they showed us some, again, this doesn't count,

00:27:26 ◼   ► but like the door detection and all that kind of stuff with the accessibility features,

00:27:29 ◼   ► like, there's still areas they can push on, you know. A friend of the show, CGP Grey,

00:27:35 ◼   ► to talk about maps and there's I'm sure new stuff they could add to maps that is

00:27:40 ◼   ► taken advantage of AR because that seems like one of those like really easy

00:27:44 ◼   ► places to add AR stuff and so I could I honestly expect a combination of things

00:27:50 ◼   ► that Apple are doing plus things that they're gonna be giving to developers so

00:27:56 ◼   ► but just we'll see what it ends up being but I expect new AR features at WWDC.

00:28:01 ◼   ► - All right.

00:28:02 ◼   ► I mean, I think the only complication is what if it's not

00:28:07 ◼   ► because it's all in the headset, but I think you're right.

00:28:10 ◼   ► - But I think even with a headset,

00:28:12 ◼   ► they're gonna have new stuff for iPhone anyway.

00:28:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, and just, this is like,

00:28:17 ◼   ► you're playing to win today, right?

00:28:19 ◼   ► Because you're picking things that are hard to bet

00:28:23 ◼   ► against Apple talking about privacy,

00:28:25 ◼   ► hard to bet against Apple talking about AR.

00:28:28 ◼   ► As you said, this one goes out to Tim Cook.

00:28:30 ◼   ► - This one goes out to Tim Cook.

00:28:31 ◼   ► That's where my Tim Cook round ends,

00:28:33 ◼   ► but like that's, you know.

00:28:35 ◼   ► - We know what you like, Tim.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - To my boy, Tim.

00:28:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's right.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Good morning.

00:28:39 ◼   ► You get to hear that in person maybe.

00:28:41 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:28:42 ◼   ► Maybe in person.

00:28:43 ◼   ► I'm gonna go hat tip to the Sheriff

00:28:46 ◼   ► of the room around up, Mark Gurman.

00:28:48 ◼   ► - Finally, he did something for us, you know?

00:28:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm gonna go with widgets

00:28:53 ◼   ► or widget-like features on the lock screen.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:28:57 ◼   ► - And this is Mark Gurman.

00:28:59 ◼   ► Now, this is another one of these great things

00:29:01 ◼   ► where it's like the feature behind the feature

00:29:03 ◼   ► where you can see where Apple's going.

00:29:05 ◼   ► What Mark Gurman reported this weekend

00:29:07 ◼   ► is that Apple's actually been working on

00:29:12 ◼   ► an always on lock screen,

00:29:14 ◼   ► which since they have OLED displays on their phones,

00:29:18 ◼   ► they really should have done probably a while ago,

00:29:20 ◼   ► but they haven't.

00:29:21 ◼   ► And they thought about it last year

00:29:22 ◼   ► and then they chose not to.

00:29:24 ◼   ► But it sounds like what Mark Gurman says is this year,

00:29:26 ◼   ► the new iPhone Pro models will support

00:29:29 ◼   ► an always on lock screen.

00:29:31 ◼   ► So there'll be a low power lock screen

00:29:32 ◼   ► like on the Apple Watch that can show basic information.

00:29:35 ◼   ► And he says, as a part of that, logically,

00:29:38 ◼   ► you would have more interesting information

00:29:41 ◼   ► on the lock screen that you could control.

00:29:43 ◼   ► And so as a part of that,

00:29:44 ◼   ► he suggests they're working on some changes

00:29:47 ◼   ► that will add more widgets or widget-like features

00:29:51 ◼   ► on the lock screen.

00:29:52 ◼   ► So I don't know what form this takes,

00:29:54 ◼   ► but like custom, we know what this is, right?

00:29:56 ◼   ► It's like your ability to put some customized information

00:29:59 ◼   ► on your lock screen instead of having to swipe

00:30:01 ◼   ► to a different screen or something like that.

00:30:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, I wrote the pick out this way

00:30:05 ◼   ► 'cause what Mark's actual quote is including wallpapers

00:30:10 ◼   ► that have widget-like capabilities

00:30:12 ◼   ► and that doesn't sound right to me.

00:30:13 ◼   ► I don't think that's accurate.

00:30:17 ◼   ► Like I can't imagine Apple,

00:30:19 ◼   ► like there are these 10 wallpapers and like--

00:30:22 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:30:23 ◼   ► - You can choose the weather wallpaper

00:30:25 ◼   ► and that doesn't sound right to me.

00:30:27 ◼   ► Like what I imagine is going on is what we're saying.

00:30:30 ◼   ► So, but basically if that's what it is, this will count.

00:30:33 ◼   ► That's why it's like widget like features.

00:30:35 ◼   ► So like it's dynamically updating.

00:30:38 ◼   ► - If the way Apple chooses to implement this

00:30:39 ◼   ► is something like instead of wallpaper on your home screen,

00:30:42 ◼   ► you can put a weather status

00:30:44 ◼   ► and it will color based on the weather status

00:30:47 ◼   ► and it'll have a little line that says what the weather is.

00:30:50 ◼   ► And there are a few of those that are like

00:30:51 ◼   ► active wallpapers for your lock screen.

00:30:54 ◼   ► That counts.

00:30:55 ◼   ► it's adding more information on the lock screen.

00:30:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, widget-like.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - That's what widget-like, that's right.

00:31:01 ◼   ► If it's a widget that is the size of your screen

00:31:04 ◼   ► and lives at the bottom level of the Z axis,

00:31:07 ◼   ► that's weird, but it would count.

00:31:09 ◼   ► - It doesn't sound, I mean, you know what I mean?

00:31:11 ◼   ► It sounds like one of those things

00:31:12 ◼   ► you could be told a thing,

00:31:13 ◼   ► but that doesn't sound right to me.

00:31:14 ◼   ► I can imagine and say like it's on the lock screen

00:31:17 ◼   ► and you can see stuff, you know,

00:31:18 ◼   ► could look like complications,

00:31:20 ◼   ► could look like the widgets we have now, I don't know.

00:31:22 ◼   ► but like your entire wallpaper doesn't sound right to me.

00:31:25 ◼   ► - You may just be able to drag a widget

00:31:27 ◼   ► onto the home screen, right?

00:31:28 ◼   ► Like on the lock screen, right?

00:31:29 ◼   ► I mean, why not?

00:31:31 ◼   ► - That should be the way that they do it,

00:31:32 ◼   ► but we'll wait and see.

00:31:33 ◼   ► I don't know where notifications will go, right?

00:31:35 ◼   ► Like that's the thing, so.

00:31:37 ◼   ► - They're just in a little blob

00:31:38 ◼   ► and you have to tap to expand them or something.

00:31:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:31:41 ◼   ► - Talking about notifications,

00:31:44 ◼   ► I'm gonna pick for my third round pick,

00:31:46 ◼   ► new notification management tools,

00:31:49 ◼   ► parentheses, outside of focus modes.

00:31:52 ◼   ► So I wanted to add this because focus mode is another thing.

00:31:55 ◼   ► And honestly, it's I, I, I consider these separate, like in my mind.

00:31:59 ◼   ► So I wanted to separate them that way.

00:32:01 ◼   ► I think there will be some kind of notification management stuff added in.

00:32:04 ◼   ► We could see an expansion of time sensitive.

00:32:07 ◼   ► Maybe they changed some stuff like that.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Maybe they go back and kind of rethink those, um, summaries, uh, or just more

00:32:15 ◼   ► tools to help us stay in control of our notifications.

00:32:18 ◼   ► I would like to see that.

00:32:20 ◼   ► I always want this to be a thing.

00:32:21 ◼   ► This is, again, there have been some rumors, right,

00:32:25 ◼   ► along these lines, and I would like to just continue to see

00:32:29 ◼   ► this is a thing that Apple gives us.

00:32:30 ◼   ► More tools, more notifications, like, let us get rid of them,

00:32:33 ◼   ► let us triage and manage them in all different ways.

00:32:36 ◼   ► It should always be a thing they keep pushing on.

00:32:39 ◼   ► -The interesting question here about --

00:32:42 ◼   ► I just talked about customization

00:32:45 ◼   ► and how there really --

00:32:47 ◼   ► We're talking about widgets two years later

00:32:48 ◼   ► and that Apple sometimes takes two years

00:32:50 ◼   ► to respond to something, they're on that kind of cycle.

00:32:52 ◼   ► I wonder about that with notifications and widgets,

00:32:55 ◼   ► and I think what, or in focus mode.

00:32:57 ◼   ► And I think what it comes down to may be,

00:33:00 ◼   ► is this a year where they actually go back

00:33:04 ◼   ► to a thing they introduced last year,

00:33:06 ◼   ► and think about it and overhaul it,

00:33:08 ◼   ► and I'm thinking of focus mode.

00:33:10 ◼   ► Or is this the kind of year

00:33:12 ◼   ► where they tinker around the edges,

00:33:14 ◼   ► and next year would be the first time

00:33:16 ◼   ► you'd really see them reacting to what the issues are

00:33:19 ◼   ► limitations are of focus mode. I like your pick because it's saying the first or the

00:33:25 ◼   ► second one is true, right? It's saying they're not going to necessarily overhaul focus mode

00:33:30 ◼   ► right away. And the two-year cycle seems frustrating, but on another level, it seems logical if

00:33:35 ◼   ► you really think about the fact that they ship the OS and then they start working on

00:33:38 ◼   ► the next OS. They don't really have a lot of time to gather feedback and to let it sit

00:33:43 ◼   ► and figure out what works and what doesn't in it. And by the time they do, it's kind

00:33:47 ◼   ► late in the game to put that in the next OS cycle so it gets bumped to the following OS

00:33:51 ◼   ► cycle. And so maybe this is a tinkering with notifications and adding more features in

00:33:56 ◼   ► there rather than a wholesale focus mode change. That's, I think, reasonable.

00:34:01 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm. Round four.

00:34:03 ◼   ► - This is tough. I'm gonna go with an iPadOS feature because I'm trying to figure out what

00:34:08 ◼   ► they're gonna do in iPadOS other than, of course, running apps on external display on

00:34:13 ◼   ► on iPadOS and I'm gonna go with global keyboard shortcuts

00:34:17 ◼   ► for shortcuts.

00:34:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:34:20 ◼   ► - This is the idea that Apple introduced,

00:34:23 ◼   ► first off Apple introduced the globe key as a shortcut key

00:34:27 ◼   ► in the last version of iPadOS.

00:34:28 ◼   ► And the idea there is that the globe key

00:34:31 ◼   ► is sort of for global shortcuts, get it?

00:34:33 ◼   ► You know, global shortcuts

00:34:36 ◼   ► and there aren't very many of them.

00:34:39 ◼   ► And shortcuts is right there.

00:34:42 ◼   ► Now there may be like a third party app API

00:34:45 ◼   ► where you can assign apps can assign this

00:34:47 ◼   ► and it'll bring the app forward or do something.

00:34:49 ◼   ► But I think the best way to implement this

00:34:51 ◼   ► and also the easiest way perhaps for Apple to implement this

00:34:54 ◼   ► is to let you bind keyboard shortcuts,

00:34:57 ◼   ► which by the way, you can already do on the Mac,

00:35:00 ◼   ► on the iPad.

00:35:02 ◼   ► So you're in wherever you are and you do globe P

00:35:06 ◼   ► because you've mapped that globe shift J

00:35:10 ◼   ► and a shortcut runs.

00:35:12 ◼   ► And what does it do?

00:35:13 ◼   ► Whatever you want it to.

00:35:15 ◼   ► So I think, again, Lucy pulling the football away

00:35:19 ◼   ► from Charlie Brown here,

00:35:20 ◼   ► but it's all set up for this to be a feature.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Not a huge feature,

00:35:25 ◼   ► but it would really actually be a great productivity feature

00:35:28 ◼   ► for people using the iPad with a keyboard,

00:35:30 ◼   ► whether that is in like a keyboard case

00:35:32 ◼   ► or maybe attached to a big display, who knows?

00:35:35 ◼   ► So I'm throwing it in there.

00:35:36 ◼   ► I'm, yeah, global keyboard shortcuts for shortcuts.

00:35:39 ◼   ► - We've been speaking about this for years, right?

00:35:42 ◼   ► And then Apple gave it to us, but on the Mac, right?

00:35:45 ◼   ► So now they should return in time.

00:35:47 ◼   ► - Which shows that they get it, right?

00:35:50 ◼   ► And I know that there are challenges

00:35:51 ◼   ► with the entire concept on iOS and iPadOS

00:35:53 ◼   ► of a global anything, right?

00:35:56 ◼   ► 'Cause so much of it is so siloed.

00:35:58 ◼   ► And yet, you know, you can adjust the volume.

00:36:02 ◼   ► And like, I mean, there are media keys.

00:36:04 ◼   ► And then adding that globe key, I think,

00:36:08 ◼   ► was lighting the way, which is like,

00:36:09 ◼   ► Here we are.

00:36:10 ◼   ► - Shortcuts already can operate in the background

00:36:13 ◼   ► via the widget, so it's not, you know,

00:36:15 ◼   ► they have the underpinnings there, right?

00:36:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's all there.

00:36:18 ◼   ► It's all there.

00:36:19 ◼   ► It's just a matter of hooking it up right.

00:36:22 ◼   ► So that's my pick, global keyboard shortcuts for shortcuts.

00:36:25 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go for my fourth round pick,

00:36:26 ◼   ► new features added to messages.

00:36:29 ◼   ► - This is a Mark Gurman rumor too, isn't it?

00:36:32 ◼   ► - This is, this was something that I had already put

00:36:34 ◼   ► in the document because I think it's time

00:36:36 ◼   ► to add some new stuff to messages.

00:36:38 ◼   ► - Anyone? - Amen to that.

00:36:40 ◼   ► - Messages, I think is--

00:36:42 ◼   ► - Myke, I wrote a whole column for Macworld

00:36:44 ◼   ► about how bad Messages is

00:36:47 ◼   ► and how it's one of Apple's most important apps

00:36:49 ◼   ► and important features and feels abandoned.

00:36:53 ◼   ► So yeah, yeah, let's make this happen.

00:36:57 ◼   ► I want it to happen.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Maybe like, maybe second to Safari

00:37:03 ◼   ► or like neck and neck with Safari,

00:37:05 ◼   ► I would expect is the most used app on people's iPhones.

00:37:08 ◼   ► like in overall, you know, like if across Apple's entire user base, those two apps,

00:37:13 ◼   ► I'm sure have got to be like right there with each other.

00:37:16 ◼   ► And I feel like, you know, the chat app landscape continues to evolve and messages

00:37:24 ◼   ► is falling behind a little bit.

00:37:25 ◼   ► Mark Gorman was talking about audio messages being more of a thing, which I

00:37:32 ◼   ► don't use them, we don't use them, but I know they're used, right?

00:37:36 ◼   ► Like I see people using them all the time.

00:37:39 ◼   ► And that to me, that would be one of those things

00:37:41 ◼   ► where they like, they look at the user base,

00:37:42 ◼   ► they see what they're using, they see it's audio messages,

00:37:45 ◼   ► they know that their function is not very good for it.

00:37:47 ◼   ► And they wanna keep maybe making that easier for people.

00:37:50 ◼   ► I don't know. - Sure.

00:37:51 ◼   ► - But I wanna see more added here in general.

00:37:55 ◼   ► You know, there's things that other chat apps do.

00:37:57 ◼   ► One that Federico always mentions,

00:37:59 ◼   ► and I think is about time is the ability

00:38:00 ◼   ► to retract a message so you can like unsend it from something.

00:38:05 ◼   ► if you send it to someone on iMessage,

00:38:08 ◼   ► basic things like that that they don't have.

00:38:11 ◼   ► The ability to edit a message after you've sent it.

00:38:14 ◼   ► I would love them to rethink the reply mechanism.

00:38:17 ◼   ► I use the reply mechanism, but it gets messy so fast.

00:38:21 ◼   ► And so the fact that you get that little,

00:38:24 ◼   ► it opens up into its own kind of nested window

00:38:27 ◼   ► and it obscures what's behind it.

00:38:28 ◼   ► It's like, that's not very elegant.

00:38:30 ◼   ► It feels very much added on top.

00:38:34 ◼   ► And as Kate's saying, one that I want definitely,

00:38:36 ◼   ► and Kate's saying in her Discord,

00:38:38 ◼   ► more tapback reactions. - Emoji tapbacks.

00:38:39 ◼   ► - I would like emoji or just more tapbacks

00:38:42 ◼   ► than the five that you have, right?

00:38:43 ◼   ► So it kind of surprises me really

00:38:48 ◼   ► that Messages doesn't get something every year,

00:38:52 ◼   ► but no matter what, it has been many years

00:38:54 ◼   ► since anything significant has been added, I think.

00:38:57 ◼   ► Like the reply system is good,

00:38:59 ◼   ► but it wasn't really significant, I think.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Like it was an addition,

00:39:03 ◼   ► but again, it's the same, a little bit clunky.

00:39:05 ◼   ► Was that added in 15 or 14, the reply feature?

00:39:10 ◼   ► I don't remember now.

00:39:11 ◼   ► - I wanna say 14.

00:39:13 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:39:14 ◼   ► - Oh, I don't know.

00:39:14 ◼   ► - Someone in the Discord will definitely confirm that

00:39:17 ◼   ► for me in a second, but nevertheless,

00:39:18 ◼   ► no matter when it was.

00:39:20 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:39:21 ◼   ► - It's something, this is, again, as you said,

00:39:23 ◼   ► it's not super interesting

00:39:24 ◼   ► and they kind of didn't do it very well.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I would love to see it.

00:39:26 ◼   ► - And that's one of my criticisms of messages

00:39:28 ◼   ► in that article that I wrote is,

00:39:30 ◼   ► Apple, when they do roll out a messages feature,

00:39:34 ◼   ► it feels like they just roll it out and walk away from it

00:39:36 ◼   ► and they don't fix it or make it better.

00:39:38 ◼   ► And the reply thing is one of those where it's like,

00:39:40 ◼   ► okay, there are a bunch of things

00:39:42 ◼   ► that are not great about it.

00:39:43 ◼   ► You could make it better.

00:39:44 ◼   ► And then, hello, hello, is anybody there?

00:39:46 ◼   ► And there's just nobody home.

00:39:48 ◼   ► And that is the story of messages.

00:39:50 ◼   ► So there's so much fertile ground there,

00:39:53 ◼   ► but they actually need to put some effort into it.

00:39:56 ◼   ► - Reply is what I was 14.

00:39:57 ◼   ► So now I feel even more vindicated

00:39:59 ◼   ► that it's been two years.

00:40:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, so it's time for more stuff, yeah.

00:40:02 ◼   ► - Two cycles, that's the trick, yeah.

00:40:05 ◼   ► Oh, it's getting tough here.

00:40:06 ◼   ► We got two more picks in this.

00:40:08 ◼   ► How is that even possible?

00:40:09 ◼   ► That's a lot of picks.

00:40:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, but we have like kind of the 30 something things

00:40:13 ◼   ► in here, but it gets hard, right?

00:40:15 ◼   ► You get up in the rarefied air quickly.

00:40:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, well that's good though.

00:40:20 ◼   ► You and I were talking beforehand

00:40:21 ◼   ► about how many picks we're doing.

00:40:22 ◼   ► It's like, I think it's actually better with more picks

00:40:24 ◼   ► because it drives us to make more esoteric picks,

00:40:26 ◼   ► which makes the scoring more fun,

00:40:28 ◼   ► 'cause we're not just picking obvious things

00:40:29 ◼   ► and getting them all right.

00:40:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna make a very esoteric WWDC pick here,

00:40:34 ◼   ► because it's just,

00:40:38 ◼   ► I have no information about this happening,

00:40:40 ◼   ► but following on from last year,

00:40:42 ◼   ► it feels like something they would do.

00:40:44 ◼   ► And I'm going to pick it,

00:40:45 ◼   ► which is there's this thing called Car Key.

00:40:48 ◼   ► Apple announced last year the idea that Car Key

00:40:51 ◼   ► was gonna work in like two companies of cars.

00:40:55 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna say it,

00:40:57 ◼   ► this year Apple's going to mention new car key partner

00:41:00 ◼   ► or partners, the idea that they're gonna say,

00:41:03 ◼   ► "And now it's gonna be an old Mercedes," or whatever,

00:41:07 ◼   ► whatever it is for this car thing.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Because I think it demos well,

00:41:11 ◼   ► and for them to mention fabulous car companies

00:41:14 ◼   ► that are partnering with Apple,

00:41:17 ◼   ► yeah, it's a total random pick,

00:41:18 ◼   ► but it feels very WWDC stagecraft to me.

00:41:23 ◼   ► - I don't have a ton to say about this,

00:41:24 ◼   ► but I can see where you're going with it.

00:41:26 ◼   ► - You're right, I mean, again, it's totally random

00:41:29 ◼   ► and it probably won't happen, but I like the,

00:41:32 ◼   ► I just, I can picture them saying,

00:41:33 ◼   ► 'cause it's a new thing

00:41:34 ◼   ► and there's not a lot of support for it.

00:41:36 ◼   ► They announced, I think, two companies

00:41:37 ◼   ► that were eventually gonna support Carkey.

00:41:39 ◼   ► - BMW was one, I think. - It's a really cool,

00:41:41 ◼   ► yeah, it's a really cool idea.

00:41:44 ◼   ► And I feel like it's something that they wanna talk about

00:41:47 ◼   ► in terms of the utility of the iPhone and iOS,

00:41:52 ◼   ► and that if they have some partners lined up,

00:41:55 ◼   ► which I don't know if they do,

00:41:56 ◼   ► but like this would be a good bit of stagecraft to say,

00:41:59 ◼   ► and look, now we've got five different companies

00:42:01 ◼   ► that are supporting this.

00:42:01 ◼   ► So you're gonna be able to unlock your car with your iPhone.

00:42:06 ◼   ► - My next pick is, it's interesting.

00:42:08 ◼   ► I actually thought you were gonna go with mine.

00:42:10 ◼   ► It's WWDC, it's a developer conference.

00:42:13 ◼   ► So I'm gonna pick for round five enhancements to SwiftUI.

00:42:16 ◼   ► SwiftUI is supposed to be the future, right?

00:42:21 ◼   ► - It is.

00:42:22 ◼   ► some point they need to do more with it.

00:42:25 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:42:26 ◼   ► - They do.

00:42:27 ◼   ► - Is what I get from listening to my developer friends.

00:42:29 ◼   ► - I didn't have it on my list

00:42:31 ◼   ► because I'm actually skeptical that they're gonna do this

00:42:33 ◼   ► and talk about it on the keynote and all that,

00:42:34 ◼   ► but it absolutely needs to happen.

00:42:36 ◼   ► I think the most illustrative thing about this is,

00:42:38 ◼   ► yes, all of our developer friends

00:42:40 ◼   ► who've tried to use SwiftUI say basically,

00:42:42 ◼   ► like they can get 80% of the way there,

00:42:44 ◼   ► actually pretty easily.

00:42:45 ◼   ► And they're like, "Oh, I see what Apple's saying here."

00:42:47 ◼   ► And then they get to the last 20 or 10%

00:42:50 ◼   ► and they slam into a brick wall.

00:42:52 ◼   ► And the classic example here is, I believe,

00:42:57 ◼   ► shortcuts on the Mac and actually across done in SwiftUI

00:43:02 ◼   ► and that it's like the best example of Apple,

00:43:05 ◼   ► dogfooding SwiftUI and coming to terms with the fact that

00:43:09 ◼   ► it's not all there yet.

00:43:11 ◼   ► And this is supposed to be the future of Apple,

00:43:14 ◼   ► you know, app development.

00:43:15 ◼   ► So wouldn't it be great if there was a major new enhancement

00:43:19 ◼   ► SwiftUI that Apple extolled the virtues of in the keynote and in the State of the Union

00:43:24 ◼   ► and in a bunch of sessions. I hope it happens. You felt more comfortable betting on it than

00:43:30 ◼   ► I did.

00:43:31 ◼   ► I've realized, honestly, this is the riskiest pick I've made so far for a number of reasons.

00:43:37 ◼   ► One, they might not do anything. Two, they might do it, but it would be in the State

00:43:41 ◼   ► of the Union.

00:43:42 ◼   ► Could be.

00:43:43 ◼   ► Right.

00:43:44 ◼   ► Hard to believe they wouldn't mention it, though.

00:43:46 ◼   ► I mean we'll find out. I don't know if SwiftUI belongs in the keynote now that they've announced

00:43:50 ◼   ► it, but I think it should. And again, this is going to have to be one of those things

00:43:55 ◼   ► where we've been through this before with like, um, catalyst apps. They have to say

00:44:01 ◼   ► that SwiftUI stuff, like if we can point to an app and be like "Ah, that's made in SwiftUI!"

00:44:05 ◼   ► and then they say it and it's like doing a bunch of stuff that it couldn't do before,

00:44:08 ◼   ► like it's not going to count. Like they need to call it out as like "This is new for SwiftUI"

00:44:13 ◼   ► or here's some features for SwiftUI,

00:44:15 ◼   ► or we've added a bunch.

00:44:17 ◼   ► And honestly, I'll tell you the place

00:44:19 ◼   ► that I feel like I could get this, Jason,

00:44:21 ◼   ► is like one of those word clouds, you know?

00:44:25 ◼   ► They're like something, something, something in SwiftUI,

00:44:27 ◼   ► right, like that might be where they go with it.

00:44:29 ◼   ► I don't know, but I do actually think

00:44:31 ◼   ► this is probably the riskiest pick that I'm making

00:44:33 ◼   ► as part of these iOS and iPadOS picks.

00:44:36 ◼   ► - That's okay, I picked Carkey, it's fine.

00:44:38 ◼   ► - You sure did, didn't you?

00:44:39 ◼   ► That's why I have a little, all right, now's the time.

00:44:41 ◼   ► - Now's the time.

00:44:42 ◼   ► - Okay, I'm gonna wrap up my iOS and iPadOS pick round

00:44:47 ◼   ► with an item that actually was not on my list

00:44:49 ◼   ► of top choices, but I don't wanna double down

00:44:51 ◼   ► on either of the remaining items.

00:44:53 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go with this one.

00:44:55 ◼   ► Rumor has been that it's out there

00:44:58 ◼   ► and that it's going to happen and it still hasn't happened.

00:45:01 ◼   ► Well, we're almost at WWDC now,

00:45:03 ◼   ► so it's probably where Apple will finally officially

00:45:07 ◼   ► announce its classical music app.

00:45:09 ◼   ► Boom.

00:45:10 ◼   ► - I was wondering about this one.

00:45:13 ◼   ► - I think it exists.

00:45:14 ◼   ► I think we've seen so many hints that it does exist

00:45:16 ◼   ► and they bought it and all of that.

00:45:18 ◼   ► And so if you're laying out the groundwork for the fall,

00:45:22 ◼   ► it's gotta be in there, right?

00:45:23 ◼   ► So now they may announce it and say,

00:45:24 ◼   ► it's actually shipping in a week to existing iOS customers,

00:45:28 ◼   ► right, everybody will get it right away.

00:45:30 ◼   ► It may not actually be a thing

00:45:31 ◼   ► that is all the way in the fall,

00:45:34 ◼   ► but if it's going to exist and yet it doesn't exist yet,

00:45:38 ◼   ► why would you not announce its existence on your stage?

00:45:42 ◼   ► It's an iOS feature, even if it's not in the next,

00:45:46 ◼   ► and remember, we're not picking things announced

00:45:48 ◼   ► for the betas of the next iOS.

00:45:50 ◼   ► We're just doing announcements.

00:45:52 ◼   ► And it's like, it's sitting right there.

00:45:54 ◼   ► How do you go all the way to fall essentially

00:45:58 ◼   ► without admitting that the classical music app exists?

00:46:00 ◼   ► So gotta mention it.

00:46:02 ◼   ► Now there's, and they'll just throw it in.

00:46:03 ◼   ► They'll be like, oh, and we're doing a classical music app.

00:46:06 ◼   ► Yay!

00:46:07 ◼   ► move and because apparently Kermit the Frog is hosting that segment anyway.

00:46:13 ◼   ► Most of the time he's just sitting there sipping tea but he gets very excited

00:46:18 ◼   ► about classical music. He's listening to classical music while sipping the tea.

00:46:22 ◼   ► That's right. He's strumming along on his banjo. Fancy Frog. There is

00:46:27 ◼   ► definitely a history of music stuff in the WWDC keynote that does not

00:46:32 ◼   ► deserve to be there so you know they have a history of putting music in

00:46:37 ◼   ► developer keynote so it could happen again. They really do. I was reminded of that on connected

00:46:43 ◼   ► last week right the idea that they had a they announced Apple Music and had a musical guest

00:46:48 ◼   ► during the WWDC. I remember that. I remember sitting there thinking really that was the worst

00:46:54 ◼   ► that was WWDC keynote really my final pick I am picking this purely because I want it to happen.

00:47:03 ◼   ► I don't necessarily think it's gonna happen.

00:47:05 ◼   ► I just want it. - I love it.

00:47:06 ◼   ► That's part of the draft, Myke.

00:47:08 ◼   ► - I'm putting it out there.

00:47:09 ◼   ► - It wears us down.

00:47:10 ◼   ► We do these certain picks and we're like,

00:47:11 ◼   ► "Oh, but I also need to conjure something

00:47:13 ◼   ► "into existence by picking it."

00:47:15 ◼   ► - I'm manifesting here, all right?

00:47:16 ◼   ► - Yes, let's do it. - And it is a redesign

00:47:18 ◼   ► of the Home app, because the Home app is bad.

00:47:23 ◼   ► It is bad, it's a bad app.

00:47:26 ◼   ► Oh, hey. - You are putting

00:47:27 ◼   ► a lot of weight into Apple fixing its wayward apps

00:47:31 ◼   ► in this round.

00:47:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, look, hey, oh, you wanna turn off a light

00:47:36 ◼   ► in this room, or you don't have it in your favorites?

00:47:38 ◼   ► Click over to this tab and swipe three pages.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Why, why show me all of my turned on lights?

00:47:44 ◼   ► - We hear that Apple is committed to the home again, right?

00:47:49 ◼   ► That they're working on stuff and there are rumors

00:47:51 ◼   ► about new home pods and all sorts of other stuff going on.

00:47:54 ◼   ► And the center of it all is the Home app and it's awful.

00:48:00 ◼   ► It's so bad.

00:48:02 ◼   ► So I'm right there with you.

00:48:04 ◼   ► I mean, this is, you know, I try, you know this, Myke,

00:48:09 ◼   ► I try to be a very measured person and be like,

00:48:11 ◼   ► "Look, you gotta see both sides of it."

00:48:13 ◼   ► And it's more complicated than the easy takes

00:48:17 ◼   ► would have you believe and all of that.

00:48:18 ◼   ► So with that said, let me say,

00:48:20 ◼   ► best solution to the home app is to just start over.

00:48:24 ◼   ► There's nothing to be salvaged for the home app.

00:48:26 ◼   ► - The foundation, like the visual foundation

00:48:28 ◼   ► is real bad. - It's garbage.

00:48:29 ◼   ► - Like underpinning it, I'm sure it's good.

00:48:30 ◼   ► - It's terrible.

00:48:31 ◼   ► - You know, like whatever, like you've built all the stuff

00:48:33 ◼   ► and I will say Apple's home app.

00:48:35 ◼   ► - Throw it away.

00:48:36 ◼   ► - Is fast, it's faster than any of the other things

00:48:38 ◼   ► that I've used and that's why I like it.

00:48:40 ◼   ► HomeKit, the actual, like you press a button

00:48:42 ◼   ► and the light goes on, like it's faster

00:48:44 ◼   ► than the other applications that I've used.

00:48:46 ◼   ► So whatever they've got underneath, great.

00:48:49 ◼   ► But the application itself is such a mess.

00:48:53 ◼   ► - Unsalvageable, I'm officially saying it here.

00:48:56 ◼   ► Please, I hope if they do this,

00:48:58 ◼   ► they are not trying to tweak what's there.

00:49:00 ◼   ► 'Cause what's there is just bad.

00:49:01 ◼   ► It's just bad.

00:49:03 ◼   ► Think it, rethink what you want a home interface to.

00:49:06 ◼   ► That design was built in a different era

00:49:08 ◼   ► for smart home devices.

00:49:10 ◼   ► And theoretically Apple knows what the current era is like

00:49:13 ◼   ► and what the future is going to be like with Matter

00:49:15 ◼   ► and all the rest.

00:49:16 ◼   ► And that there should be a home app that is designed around

00:49:20 ◼   ► what an actual set of smart devices in homes will look like.

00:49:24 ◼   ► And that app ain't it.

00:49:26 ◼   ► So give us something new. - If I'm supposed to have

00:49:29 ◼   ► smart devices in every room of my home,

00:49:32 ◼   ► home app is failing, right?

00:49:33 ◼   ► The way that it shows that stuff to me.

00:49:36 ◼   ► And I understand that they would prefer me to have home pods

00:49:39 ◼   ► and I'll speak it, but it's just not always

00:49:41 ◼   ► gonna be the case.

00:49:42 ◼   ► And I don't always wanna do it that way.

00:49:43 ◼   ► So give me a better way to manage all that stuff.

00:49:46 ◼   ► - I'm right there with you, Myke.

00:49:47 ◼   ► Let's go, Myke, let's go.

00:49:49 ◼   ► I see I'm gonna be rooting for you now.

00:49:50 ◼   ► You got me pulling for one of your draft picks now.

00:49:52 ◼   ► I'm very excited.

00:49:53 ◼   ► - That's how it goes.

00:49:55 ◼   ► - So that's the end of our iOS and iPadOS round.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Six picks down. - Oh yeah.

00:49:58 ◼   ► - So I'm gonna come back to the first one.

00:50:01 ◼   ► Apps can run on external displays on iPadOS.

00:50:03 ◼   ► No, we didn't come back to it,

00:50:05 ◼   ► which was if there would be a new windowing

00:50:07 ◼   ► or multitasking mode or something on iPadOS.

00:50:10 ◼   ► - I took it to be that if I went,

00:50:13 ◼   ► like I was taking it the extra step.

00:50:16 ◼   ► 'Cause I don't think you can do apps can run

00:50:18 ◼   ► on an external display without having some new modes, right?

00:50:20 ◼   ► That would be, fundamentally it would be a multitasking mode

00:50:23 ◼   ► But when we got to the end,

00:50:24 ◼   ► you decided not to kind of counteract my pick

00:50:27 ◼   ► and I decided not to double down on it.

00:50:29 ◼   ► But I think that's the implication is that,

00:50:32 ◼   ► if Apple is allowing apps on external displays,

00:50:36 ◼   ► there probably has to be some new tiling

00:50:38 ◼   ► or floating window modes.

00:50:40 ◼   ► I would think that they would also allow,

00:50:43 ◼   ► especially on the larger iPad Pro,

00:50:44 ◼   ► but probably all the iPads,

00:50:48 ◼   ► the ability to undock something

00:50:50 ◼   ► and have it be a floating window

00:50:51 ◼   ► or have some other kind of mode that it goes in

00:50:54 ◼   ► that is a multitasking mode that is maybe more Mac-like

00:50:58 ◼   ► or tile-like in some way.

00:50:59 ◼   ► Now, if they do that,

00:51:01 ◼   ► but say you can't put it on an external display,

00:51:04 ◼   ► then I lose my pick, I guess.

00:51:05 ◼   ► But I want it to go all the way

00:51:07 ◼   ► 'cause I think they go hand in hand.

00:51:08 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:51:09 ◼   ► And obviously this is different to like the mirroring, right?

00:51:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the point.

00:51:15 ◼   ► Is having an app on an iPad

00:51:16 ◼   ► that outputs video to the second display

00:51:18 ◼   ► or some other thing,

00:51:19 ◼   ► or is a mirror to the second display,

00:51:21 ◼   ► we know that that's what it does already.

00:51:23 ◼   ► This is a new thing where you can take an app

00:51:25 ◼   ► and just run it and it's on an external display

00:51:28 ◼   ► and you can control it and it's running and you see it

00:51:31 ◼   ► and it's the whole UI and it's not mirrored.

00:51:34 ◼   ► It's running on that external display.

00:51:35 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:51:36 ◼   ► I also didn't double down on shortcuts

00:51:38 ◼   ► 'cause I had a very vague automation improvements

00:51:40 ◼   ► that was, I was thinking like being able to run a shortcut

00:51:43 ◼   ► every 10 minutes or whatever, right?

00:51:45 ◼   ► And that would be a thing I would like to see,

00:51:46 ◼   ► but I already made a shortcuts pick there.

00:51:48 ◼   ► So I decided not to double down, but I like it.

00:51:50 ◼   ► We both made some weird picks and we both made some dream picks and we both made some

00:51:55 ◼   ► realistic picks. So it's a good, a good collection there for the iOS and iPadOS round, I think.

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00:54:58 ◼   ► It is time for our combined macOS and Mac hardware picks.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And people would say, "Hey, why that?"

00:55:04 ◼   ► and we'll say, well, you give me a bunch of Mac OS features.

00:55:08 ◼   ► And you know, it's not as simple as you may think

00:55:11 ◼   ► for as it is for iOS and iPadOS, I feel at this point.

00:55:14 ◼   ► - I agree, I struggled a bit.

00:55:16 ◼   ► In fact, you put down one of the first ones

00:55:18 ◼   ► that you put down was focus on stability and bug fixes,

00:55:21 ◼   ► which is the most boring pick ever, but you know,

00:55:25 ◼   ► it might be, it was a struggle here to think of things

00:55:29 ◼   ► that aren't, I mean, I did think about like putting in

00:55:32 ◼   ► kind of duplicates of things that we put in the other round,

00:55:34 ◼   ► but the truth is a lot of the iOS stuff

00:55:36 ◼   ► will also appear in some form on the Mac.

00:55:38 ◼   ► And it seemed a little silly to have those,

00:55:40 ◼   ► like I could put in some like,

00:55:42 ◼   ► some sort of theme that is similar to the themes

00:55:45 ◼   ► that are available, right?

00:55:46 ◼   ► I don't need to pick that.

00:55:48 ◼   ► So we have a smaller selection here.

00:55:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with something that I thought of this morning

00:55:56 ◼   ► and I talked to you about that I think is

00:55:59 ◼   ► an interesting thing to predict, but is inevitable,

00:56:02 ◼   ► which is at least one feature will be

00:56:05 ◼   ► for Apple Silicon Macs only.

00:56:07 ◼   ► - Oh, this is a good pick.

00:56:09 ◼   ► This is a really good pick.

00:56:10 ◼   ► I like this one. - They have to say it,

00:56:11 ◼   ► I guess, right?

00:56:12 ◼   ► But I imagine they'll say,

00:56:13 ◼   ► now using the power of Apple Silicon, we can do this.

00:56:15 ◼   ► 'Cause we are, I think, gonna get to the point here

00:56:18 ◼   ► where macOS updates still happen for Intel

00:56:21 ◼   ► for a couple of years,

00:56:22 ◼   ► but a lot of banner features just won't work on Intel.

00:56:26 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:56:27 ◼   ► - It feels inevitable.

00:56:29 ◼   ► It also feels like if that's not gonna happen,

00:56:33 ◼   ► why do all of this?

00:56:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:36 ◼   ► - You know?

00:56:37 ◼   ► - You wanna show it off, right?

00:56:38 ◼   ► - The assumption is one of the reasons

00:56:41 ◼   ► that they went to their own silicon

00:56:43 ◼   ► is so they could do things

00:56:45 ◼   ► that they've otherwise been held off from doing.

00:56:47 ◼   ► And this has already happened, right?

00:56:48 ◼   ► There was some features that have been Apple Silicon only.

00:56:52 ◼   ► There was some that they announced as such

00:56:54 ◼   ► and then I think live text it wasn't

00:56:55 ◼   ► and they found a way to bring it to Intel Max,

00:56:57 ◼   ► but this is going to be a thing that continues.

00:57:00 ◼   ► And it kind of should, in my opinion,

00:57:03 ◼   ► like you got to take advantage of the hardware

00:57:05 ◼   ► that you're on.

00:57:05 ◼   ► And this can be from either just a pure power perspective

00:57:08 ◼   ► or the neural engines or whatever,

00:57:10 ◼   ► but otherwise, you know, just why keep doing it?

00:57:14 ◼   ► Like they'll keep updating macOS for years as they should

00:57:18 ◼   ► and keep doing things that are important for it.

00:57:20 ◼   ► - This is the question is processor transition.

00:57:24 ◼   ► What I wanna say is the end of the line

00:57:28 ◼   ► for Intel macOS updates will come faster

00:57:32 ◼   ► than you would think.

00:57:33 ◼   ► Apple's been so good at providing compatibility.

00:57:36 ◼   ► I do wonder what the form of the end

00:57:38 ◼   ► of the Intel era takes on macOS,

00:57:41 ◼   ► and is it that it goes for a while

00:57:46 ◼   ► and most of the new features work on Intel?

00:57:48 ◼   ► Is it that it goes for a while,

00:57:50 ◼   ► But while all these new features come to Apple Silicon,

00:57:54 ◼   ► the Intel version doesn't really get them.

00:57:56 ◼   ► Or is it more that it goes for a couple of years

00:57:59 ◼   ► and then the Intel version of macOS

00:58:01 ◼   ► gets like security updates,

00:58:03 ◼   ► but it doesn't get anything else after that.

00:58:05 ◼   ► I don't know how they're gonna handle it.

00:58:06 ◼   ► It'd be interesting to see.

00:58:07 ◼   ► 'Cause one way to do it is,

00:58:09 ◼   ► and they do some of this on the iPhone a lot,

00:58:11 ◼   ► which is you're still updating to the new version of the OS,

00:58:15 ◼   ► but some of the features just aren't there

00:58:17 ◼   ► if you're on old hardware.

00:58:18 ◼   ► and it allows them to get all those people updated

00:58:21 ◼   ► and they're on the same version,

00:58:23 ◼   ► but there's a bunch of stuff that just doesn't work

00:58:25 ◼   ► on your phone because it's too old.

00:58:28 ◼   ► And they could do that with the Mac.

00:58:30 ◼   ► They could be like, yeah, you're totally on Mac OS 17,

00:58:34 ◼   ► but the eight banner features that WWDC that year,

00:58:38 ◼   ► like only three of them actually even function on it

00:58:40 ◼   ► because the rest are Apple Silicon only.

00:58:43 ◼   ► And that's kind of a bummer,

00:58:44 ◼   ► but the alternative I think is probably

00:58:46 ◼   ► not getting an update at all.

00:58:48 ◼   ► - For my first pick, again, I'm channeling my previous

00:58:51 ◼   ► energy in the iOS round.

00:58:54 ◼   ► - Love it.

00:58:54 ◼   ► - To fix what I think is the worst thing on Mac OS.

00:58:57 ◼   ► - Dream pick.

00:58:58 ◼   ► - New way to access widgets on Mac OS.

00:59:01 ◼   ► - Oh yes, yes please.

00:59:04 ◼   ► - Adding widgets to Mac OS, Monterrey.

00:59:07 ◼   ► We're on Monterrey, right?

00:59:08 ◼   ► I always forget, I don't know why I struggle with this.

00:59:10 ◼   ► Monterrey, right?

00:59:11 ◼   ► - It's Monterrey, last year was big sir,

00:59:13 ◼   ► this year's Monterrey, is that right?

00:59:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, we're gonna go with that.

00:59:17 ◼   ► The worst thing I did to Monterey was put widgets in it

00:59:19 ◼   ► because the widget experience is bad

00:59:22 ◼   ► and it ruined notifications.

00:59:24 ◼   ► I just want them to do a different thing with it.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Whether they put them on the desktop or they--

00:59:29 ◼   ► - Dashboard.

00:59:30 ◼   ► - Bring back dashboard or whatever it is they're gonna do,

00:59:34 ◼   ► do something.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Get rid of launchpad and put widgets in instead.

00:59:37 ◼   ► I don't know, but the way we currently have it is not great.

00:59:41 ◼   ► So I'm gonna say this pick was originally a better way,

00:59:46 ◼   ► but I felt that's a weird thing to judge.

00:59:48 ◼   ► So I've changed it to new way.

00:59:49 ◼   ► So if they just keep them in the notification thing,

00:59:52 ◼   ► but they do it differently, that's not it.

00:59:53 ◼   ► New way to access widgets on macOS.

00:59:56 ◼   ► I think they got to break them out of that sidebar.

00:59:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, one, notification center,

01:00:00 ◼   ► widgets aren't notifications.

01:00:01 ◼   ► So what is happening?

01:00:04 ◼   ► Two, they're out of sight out of mind,

01:00:06 ◼   ► which is always my problem with dashboard too.

01:00:08 ◼   ► They're just kind of off on the right there.

01:00:10 ◼   ► And the fact is there are good widgets.

01:00:12 ◼   ► There are good widgets from iOS.

01:00:14 ◼   ► there's good stuff on Mac OS.

01:00:17 ◼   ► I have Find My widgets for my family.

01:00:19 ◼   ► So instead of launching Find My and seeing,

01:00:22 ◼   ► you know, is my wife at the store or what's going on,

01:00:25 ◼   ► or is my daughter back home so I can call her

01:00:28 ◼   ► or whatever it is, like I have to swipe

01:00:32 ◼   ► and the little cards are there and it's nice,

01:00:34 ◼   ► but it's in this really not great location.

01:00:36 ◼   ► And I would rather have them in a floating layer

01:00:39 ◼   ► or drop down from the menu bar or on my desktop or whatever.

01:00:43 ◼   ► So some better showcase for macOS widgets, I agree.

01:00:48 ◼   ► - Round two.

01:00:49 ◼   ► - Myke, I'm gonna do it.

01:00:51 ◼   ► - Uh-oh.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - I'm gonna do it.

01:00:53 ◼   ► - What's he gonna do?

01:00:54 ◼   ► - New MacBook Air.

01:00:55 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

01:00:59 ◼   ► Okay. - New MacBook Air.

01:01:01 ◼   ► - Mad lad.

01:01:02 ◼   ► - Well, I'm worried about the supply chain,

01:01:04 ◼   ► but they've also been trying to ship that product

01:01:06 ◼   ► for like more than six months apparently.

01:01:07 ◼   ► - That's what we've heard, right?

01:01:08 ◼   ► September was the first expected check date.

01:01:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's coming up nine months

01:01:12 ◼   ► that they were planning on shipping that product.

01:01:14 ◼   ► It's like is it a developer conference?

01:01:16 ◼   ► - The chip before I built this thing, yeah.

01:01:19 ◼   ► - Is there a developer conference angle to it?

01:01:21 ◼   ► Not really, but it's a big event for them.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Are they ready to ship it?

01:01:25 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe they have been working on building these things

01:01:28 ◼   ► and even though they've got all sorts of supply chain issues

01:01:31 ◼   ► one of the things that they wanna do

01:01:33 ◼   ► is ship a new MacBook Air.

01:01:35 ◼   ► I think it would be a good seller for the fall.

01:01:37 ◼   ► If they are ready, I'm not sure I believe it either,

01:01:42 ◼   ► but they've been trying for so long.

01:01:44 ◼   ► And the stories seem to suggest

01:01:46 ◼   ► that it's basically ready to go.

01:01:48 ◼   ► And that the question is like,

01:01:49 ◼   ► how many of them could they build?

01:01:51 ◼   ► How back ordered is it gonna be?

01:01:53 ◼   ► All of those things are going on.

01:01:55 ◼   ► But I wanna believe, and I also wanna believe

01:01:57 ◼   ► that they really wanna kick off the next era

01:01:58 ◼   ► of Apple Silicon and be able to make a case to developers

01:02:02 ◼   ► about where they're going with Apple Silicon on the Mac,

01:02:05 ◼   ► which the developers care about.

01:02:06 ◼   ► And so even though it's not a developer machine,

01:02:09 ◼   ► it's a MacBook Air.

01:02:12 ◼   ► I'm going to say we're finally going to get a new MacBook Air.

01:02:16 ◼   ► I hope you're right for two reasons.

01:02:18 ◼   ► One, I want colorful laptops in the world, right?

01:02:20 ◼   ► Right.

01:02:21 ◼   ► That's what I just wanted.

01:02:22 ◼   ► Two, I want a hands-on area.

01:02:26 ◼   ► I want to experience the hands-on area at WWDC.

01:02:29 ◼   ► If they have a new MacBook Air, possible.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Yep.

01:02:33 ◼   ► Possible.

01:02:33 ◼   ► They need new products to have hands-on area.

01:02:35 ◼   ► With all the colors.

01:02:36 ◼   ► Then that would be great.

01:02:37 ◼   ► You can go into a little thing, see what they got going on.

01:02:40 ◼   ► I'd be excited about that.

01:02:41 ◼   ► Jason, I'm jumping in with you here.

01:02:44 ◼   ► - Uh-huh.

01:02:45 ◼   ► - New Mac Pro.

01:02:46 ◼   ► - New Mac Pro, yeah.

01:02:48 ◼   ► I was thinking of picking that next.

01:02:50 ◼   ► So, new Mac Pro.

01:02:51 ◼   ► And of course, it may not be anywhere near shipping.

01:02:55 ◼   ► - No, no way.

01:02:56 ◼   ► - They just need to announce it.

01:02:57 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Look, please fuck up as well.

01:02:59 ◼   ► There's so much precedent for this.

01:03:00 ◼   ► Like, there's so much precedent for this.

01:03:02 ◼   ► To me, this feels like,

01:03:04 ◼   ► to me, it feels like the most locked hardware

01:03:07 ◼   ► because they can,

01:03:09 ◼   ► The Mac Pro is unlike anything that they do in the Mac space.

01:03:12 ◼   ► They can just-- they can talk about this thing six months

01:03:15 ◼   ► before they ship it, and it doesn't matter.

01:03:18 ◼   ► And we know it exists because they told us it does.

01:03:23 ◼   ► And I feel like they mentioned it three months ago.

01:03:26 ◼   ► For them to then wait six months maybe before they mention it

01:03:30 ◼   ► again would be odd, right?

01:03:31 ◼   ► Like going all the way out to the fall.

01:03:34 ◼   ► This is the audience for the Mac Pro.

01:03:36 ◼   ► They're probably even less likely to buy it now

01:03:39 ◼   ► the studio exists, but that, oh boy, developers,

01:03:41 ◼   ► do they love powerful Macs, you know what I mean?

01:03:44 ◼   ► You just tell them there's a powerful Mac there

01:03:47 ◼   ► and they're gonna go wild for it.

01:03:48 ◼   ► So I imagine new Mac Pro,

01:03:51 ◼   ► that's what I think we're gonna get announced at WWDC.

01:03:54 ◼   ► - Maybe so, maybe so.

01:03:56 ◼   ► That would be nice.

01:03:57 ◼   ► I am gonna go also with, it's kind of something I want,

01:04:02 ◼   ► but it's also, I feel like,

01:04:03 ◼   ► a logical next narrative step for them.

01:04:06 ◼   ► Last year they announced that Shortcuts

01:04:07 ◼   ► was the future of automation on Mac OS.

01:04:10 ◼   ► And so I'm going to say improvements to shortcuts for Mac

01:04:14 ◼   ► are highlighted at some point.

01:04:16 ◼   ► So the idea there is, you know, last year

01:04:18 ◼   ► we introduced shortcuts on the Mac and it's great.

01:04:20 ◼   ► And we got a bunch of, I mean,

01:04:21 ◼   ► even if it's literally Craig Federighi saying,

01:04:23 ◼   ► and we got a bunch of Mac improvements this year,

01:04:26 ◼   ► that would count, right?

01:04:27 ◼   ► I'm just, that's what I'm envisioning

01:04:29 ◼   ► is a little bit of a check-in on the fact that last year

01:04:31 ◼   ► they did shortcuts on the Mac.

01:04:33 ◼   ► And this year they're doing more

01:04:35 ◼   ► or improving it in some way.

01:04:37 ◼   ► And if they talk about shortcuts, improvements on iOS,

01:04:42 ◼   ► and they don't mention the Mac, then it doesn't count.

01:04:45 ◼   ► But I think they're gonna wanna check in on the Mac.

01:04:48 ◼   ► In fact, it wouldn't surprise me

01:04:50 ◼   ► if they had a Mac shortcuts segment,

01:04:54 ◼   ► like in the Macs segment,

01:04:56 ◼   ► especially since, as we've said, a lot of this stuff,

01:04:59 ◼   ► one of their challenges when they have a lot of things

01:05:00 ◼   ► on all their platforms is when do you announce it?

01:05:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:03 ◼   ► The Mac segment could literally be,

01:05:05 ◼   ► you've seen all the features of Mac

01:05:07 ◼   ► because they were also the features of iOS.

01:05:09 ◼   ► So there's nothing new here.

01:05:11 ◼   ► So you hold some things back.

01:05:12 ◼   ► So maybe the shortcut story gets told in the Mac segment.

01:05:15 ◼   ► They say, and this is also true in iOS,

01:05:17 ◼   ► but we made some improvements here.

01:05:19 ◼   ► I don't even know what those improvements are.

01:05:20 ◼   ► There's a lot of things that could improve,

01:05:22 ◼   ► but I wanna predict

01:05:24 ◼   ► that they're gonna touch base on shortcuts.

01:05:26 ◼   ► - This was gonna be my next pick,

01:05:28 ◼   ► basically for some of the reasons you mentioned.

01:05:30 ◼   ► One, which is that like it was a bit of a hit, right?

01:05:33 ◼   ► I think maybe shortcuts for Mac may have surprised Apple.

01:05:36 ◼   ► People have been really excited about it.

01:05:38 ◼   ► It had a rocky start, but where we are today,

01:05:41 ◼   ► the community loves it.

01:05:42 ◼   ► And I think that the shortcuts team clearly show

01:05:44 ◼   ► they don't stop working,

01:05:46 ◼   ► and I imagine they've got some stuff.

01:05:48 ◼   ► But I mean, shortcuts has had improvements every single year

01:05:51 ◼   ► is unlike basically anything else Apple does.

01:05:54 ◼   ► As it changes every year, sometimes they're good,

01:05:57 ◼   ► sometimes they're bad,

01:05:58 ◼   ► sometimes they work it out along the way.

01:05:59 ◼   ► But every year since they joined,

01:06:01 ◼   ► since Shortcuts was announced,

01:06:03 ◼   ► there are way better new stuff in.

01:06:05 ◼   ► I cannot imagine Shortcuts improvements

01:06:10 ◼   ► finding their way into the iOS portion either,

01:06:13 ◼   ► especially because now it is an easy story

01:06:16 ◼   ► in the Mac segment.

01:06:17 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:06:18 ◼   ► - This is a perfect place for it.

01:06:19 ◼   ► - Unless it's like the keyboard shortcuts thing,

01:06:21 ◼   ► but even there, I think they could say,

01:06:23 ◼   ► and you know, by the way, everybody really loves

01:06:25 ◼   ► that we added keyboard shortcuts support to the Mac.

01:06:28 ◼   ► So we also put it in iOS,

01:06:30 ◼   ► but they could still do that in the Mac part

01:06:31 ◼   ► of the presentation.

01:06:33 ◼   ► - I think this makes a lot of sense

01:06:35 ◼   ► 'cause there is definitely room for them to continue

01:06:38 ◼   ► with shortcuts for the Mac

01:06:39 ◼   ► and I expect if they're gonna do it,

01:06:41 ◼   ► they're gonna talk about it here.

01:06:43 ◼   ► All right, so this is the last pick in the Mac round.

01:06:46 ◼   ► So like what I'm torn with right now

01:06:48 ◼   ► is whether I make a software pick or a hardware pick.

01:06:52 ◼   ► My concern with a hardware pick is

01:06:54 ◼   ► if there's no hardware at all,

01:06:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're doubling down.

01:06:57 ◼   ► - I'm kind of wrecked, right?

01:06:58 ◼   ► which is a possibility.

01:07:01 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go back to the Sheriff.

01:07:04 ◼   ► I think one of the only things that Mark Gurman mentioned

01:07:08 ◼   ► about macOS in his newsletter

01:07:11 ◼   ► was a redesign of System Preferences.

01:07:14 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, Settings app.

01:07:14 ◼   ► - Basically to make it the Settings app.

01:07:17 ◼   ► And that is much needed 'cause System Preferences

01:07:21 ◼   ► is only becoming more and more complicated

01:07:24 ◼   ► to try and work out where things live.

01:07:26 ◼   ► You know, I love--

01:07:28 ◼   ► - It looks untouched since the beginning of Mac OS X.

01:07:32 ◼   ► - Well, except when they added all the weird icons

01:07:34 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:07:35 ◼   ► a few years ago.

01:07:36 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, but the whole premise of it is this app

01:07:38 ◼   ► that's got all the icons there and you click

01:07:41 ◼   ► and then it opens a pane and all of that.

01:07:43 ◼   ► It's like, it's been there a long time

01:07:48 ◼   ► and a new take on it would be welcome.

01:07:52 ◼   ► - I just would, you know, settings and it's like,

01:07:54 ◼   ► I don't know, looks more like iOS, but just re kind of,

01:07:57 ◼   ► move stuff around, put some new stuff in there,

01:08:00 ◼   ► make it fresh, you know, that's what I would love to see.

01:08:03 ◼   ► And I almost, I was kind of toying with this a little bit

01:08:06 ◼   ► of like, if they did that, would they even show it?

01:08:10 ◼   ► Like, is it worth showing?

01:08:12 ◼   ► And then I'm like, I think that would kind of play

01:08:15 ◼   ► to the crowd.

01:08:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:17 ◼   ► - You know?

01:08:18 ◼   ► - I think that's exactly it.

01:08:19 ◼   ► I can see Craig Federighi smiling and being like,

01:08:21 ◼   ► "Oh, we got you here."

01:08:23 ◼   ► - Look at this, he loves some sense.

01:08:25 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:08:26 ◼   ► You bunch of nerds.

01:08:27 ◼   ► - Yep, exactly.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - I don't think he'll say that, but if he did--

01:08:30 ◼   ► - Probably, it's implied strongly though.

01:08:31 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I would applaud him.

01:08:33 ◼   ► All right, so that's Mac, that's the Mac rounds.

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01:10:11 ◼   ► So we are now in the everything else round.

01:10:13 ◼   ► A round that is increasingly growing.

01:10:18 ◼   ► The other round includes, watchOS, tvOS, services, headset, other hardware and miscellaneous

01:10:27 ◼   ► stagecraft picks.

01:10:30 ◼   ► This year we have increased the amount of picks we are doing here than years previous.

01:10:34 ◼   ► So there is going to be 5 rounds.

01:10:37 ◼   ► At this point honestly without Mac hardware MacOS could fit in here.

01:10:42 ◼   ► So who knows how this is going to shake out over the next few years.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Things kind of rebalance themselves maybe.

01:10:48 ◼   ► we're in the everything else round and Jason, it's over to you for your first pick.

01:10:52 ◼   ► Myke, I'm going with a stagecraft pick first because sometimes I like playing

01:10:56 ◼   ► to win and so I'm gonna pick under everything else, Craig Federighi appears.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Darn it, Jason Snow!

01:11:03 ◼   ► You think he'll be there? Will Craig be there? I hope so, I hope so.

01:11:11 ◼   ► Honestly, out of everyone else, I could imagine Tim taking the week off, you know Craig Federighi?

01:11:18 ◼   ► - No way, yeah, you got that.

01:11:21 ◼   ► - Okay, there's my advantage, I guess, is going first.

01:11:25 ◼   ► Is that one, I almost thought, I mean, you could argue

01:11:29 ◼   ► it's like a not, it's so obvious that it shouldn't be

01:11:31 ◼   ► on the list, but you put it on the list

01:11:33 ◼   ► and it was on the list.

01:11:34 ◼   ► - Come on, you know, you never know, you never know,

01:11:37 ◼   ► but this is how it goes.

01:11:39 ◼   ► - But it's probably gonna be there.

01:11:41 ◼   ► - All right, my first pick then,

01:11:42 ◼   ► some portion of the program is live.

01:11:45 ◼   ► - All right, that's a good one.

01:11:47 ◼   ► The idea here is they're doing this event

01:11:50 ◼   ► and they're inviting developers.

01:11:51 ◼   ► And again, it could literally be like, you know,

01:11:53 ◼   ► the Olympics where they like show

01:11:55 ◼   ► the people cheering back home.

01:11:57 ◼   ► - The minimum it's that, right?

01:11:59 ◼   ► They have like a shot showing people

01:12:02 ◼   ► like as the opening or something, right?

01:12:05 ◼   ► I could imagine, 'cause you know how,

01:12:06 ◼   ► you know how they love this kind of stuff.

01:12:08 ◼   ► They've got like a prerecorded drone

01:12:11 ◼   ► and it like goes through a tunnel

01:12:13 ◼   ► and it comes out and it's live, you know?

01:12:16 ◼   ► 'cause they're like, "Yeah, we got you," you know?

01:12:17 ◼   ► Like some little fun thing.

01:12:20 ◼   ► But if they don't do this, that would be wild to me.

01:12:23 ◼   ► And I don't know what you think,

01:12:24 ◼   ► but like there is a part of me that's like,

01:12:27 ◼   ► "Well, what if they just do the whole thing on stage

01:12:31 ◼   ► in front of an audience, like the whole thing?"

01:12:34 ◼   ► - They just invited us all there to sit and watch a video

01:12:39 ◼   ► with nothing even indicating that we're there.

01:12:41 ◼   ► It seems weird, right?

01:12:45 ◼   ► but they could do it, it's possible.

01:12:46 ◼   ► - No, I mean, like what if they did the whole thing

01:12:49 ◼   ► like they used to?

01:12:50 ◼   ► - Oh, the whole thing live, oh yeah.

01:12:52 ◼   ► I think that is possible.

01:12:53 ◼   ► I think that's possible.

01:12:54 ◼   ► I think it's gonna rely on more taped stuff,

01:12:57 ◼   ► but I think it's possible that they'll have,

01:13:00 ◼   ► you know, the simplest version is Tim beginning and end

01:13:04 ◼   ► and then there's a pre-taped thing in the middle.

01:13:06 ◼   ► They could break it up into segments

01:13:08 ◼   ► and have Craig come on stage and then do his,

01:13:12 ◼   ► 'cause if you think about the way

01:13:13 ◼   ► those things are structured, right,

01:13:14 ◼   ► They're all like nested parentheses.

01:13:16 ◼   ► So there's like, there's Tim,

01:13:17 ◼   ► and then you go to the Craig segment.

01:13:21 ◼   ► And then Craig will give an overview

01:13:23 ◼   ► and then throw it to the individual people.

01:13:25 ◼   ► Well, I could see a scenario where the Tim segment

01:13:27 ◼   ► and the Craig segment are there

01:13:29 ◼   ► and the Jeff Williams segment is there, right?

01:13:31 ◼   ► But when they throw it to other people,

01:13:33 ◼   ► the other people are all in a pre-taped segment.

01:13:36 ◼   ► They could also just do the whole thing live.

01:13:37 ◼   ► Yeah, but you know, will they?

01:13:39 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know.

01:13:40 ◼   ► Probably not, but you never know.

01:13:42 ◼   ► - 'Cause there is this thing I've been thinking about,

01:13:44 ◼   ► They have an audience.

01:13:45 ◼   ► We don't know how big this audience is,

01:13:47 ◼   ► but it seems like the audience is growing.

01:13:49 ◼   ► - Right, we don't know how big it is,

01:13:50 ◼   ► we don't know where it'll be, we don't know nothing.

01:13:53 ◼   ► - But as well as inviting media,

01:13:55 ◼   ► and we don't know, genuinely do not know

01:13:57 ◼   ► if we will be in the same place that the developers are,

01:13:59 ◼   ► I have no idea, nobody knows right now.

01:14:03 ◼   ► But it seems like they have been increasing

01:14:04 ◼   ► the amount of developers that they have been inviting.

01:14:07 ◼   ► It seems like they keep giving out invites.

01:14:09 ◼   ► Now whether they're just filling in people

01:14:11 ◼   ► who can't make it, I don't know,

01:14:12 ◼   ► but there seems to have been multiple rounds.

01:14:13 ◼   ► It got some extra folding chairs for the rainbow stage.

01:14:16 ◼   ► - There's something to be said

01:14:17 ◼   ► that you're doing a presentation, right?

01:14:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:14:20 ◼   ► - Like maybe you want people to cheer

01:14:23 ◼   ► like they always have done.

01:14:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, that was always my argument.

01:14:26 ◼   ► When we were talking about WWDC coming back,

01:14:29 ◼   ► one of the arguments that I made was

01:14:31 ◼   ► maybe they'll just do a keynote as a media event.

01:14:35 ◼   ► They'll invite some developers.

01:14:36 ◼   ► It's very much like what we're seeing here.

01:14:38 ◼   ► They'll invite media and they'll invite some developers

01:14:40 ◼   ► and maybe they'll put them in the Steve Jobs theater.

01:14:42 ◼   ► That might not happen this time,

01:14:44 ◼   ► but I think that that would be where it's heading.

01:14:46 ◼   ► And like, why do that?

01:14:47 ◼   ► Well, because not only do you have some media there

01:14:49 ◼   ► who can do the hands-on,

01:14:51 ◼   ► but you have developers there who will cheer,

01:14:54 ◼   ► and you're now live in front of a studio audience,

01:14:57 ◼   ► and that has a stagecraft bonus, right?

01:15:00 ◼   ► That is a benefit to have reaction shots from developers,

01:15:04 ◼   ► and cheering from developers,

01:15:05 ◼   ► and all of those things that you wanna show off.

01:15:08 ◼   ► And it's your hand-picked developers, right?

01:15:10 ◼   ► Like, yeah, there's a lot of advantages to doing that

01:15:15 ◼   ► as a live event, even if you try to keep the best

01:15:18 ◼   ► of the prerecorded.

01:15:19 ◼   ► - And I imagine, I can imagine them not always doing this,

01:15:23 ◼   ► like the iPhone events do, or like just product events

01:15:27 ◼   ► where they just invite media.

01:15:28 ◼   ► Just have the media sit in a room and watch the screen

01:15:30 ◼   ► and then go to the hands-on.

01:15:31 ◼   ► But WWDC, I could imagine them doing a full live

01:15:35 ◼   ► or more hybrid approach because they have an audience.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Like, I would never have suggested this

01:15:39 ◼   ► if there was no audience, right?

01:15:41 ◼   ► That they would be doing it live.

01:15:43 ◼   ► 'Cause what would be the point?

01:15:45 ◼   ► But we'll see.

01:15:46 ◼   ► We'll show round two.

01:15:47 ◼   ► We'll know in a week.

01:15:49 ◼   ► - I guess we will, 'cause we'll be there.

01:15:52 ◼   ► I am gonna go with, again, based on a Mark Gurman rumor,

01:15:58 ◼   ► and it's also something I wanna have come true.

01:16:01 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with old watch faces upgraded.

01:16:07 ◼   ► - Can I make my pick?

01:16:09 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:16:10 ◼   ► - New watch faces.

01:16:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:13 ◼   ► - It's the watch round, guys.

01:16:14 ◼   ► - Now here's the issue, I see the same issue for both of us

01:16:17 ◼   ► is like, they do not need to do this as part of the BBC.

01:16:20 ◼   ► Like both of these things come in September, but--

01:16:23 ◼   ► - But it's watchOS.

01:16:24 ◼   ► - But it's watchOS, what else has it got?

01:16:26 ◼   ► What else has it got, you know, watch faces?

01:16:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so one of the rumors is,

01:16:31 ◼   ► what Mark Gurman reported was that

01:16:33 ◼   ► they were going to revisit some old watch faces

01:16:38 ◼   ► and update them.

01:16:40 ◼   ► And as a user of some old watch faces, like modular,

01:16:44 ◼   ► one of the things that kills me about it,

01:16:48 ◼   ► or sorry, utility is the one that I really like, utility,

01:16:51 ◼   ► is that it's basically still designed

01:16:52 ◼   ► for the original Apple Watch.

01:16:54 ◼   ► It's gotten a little bit bigger,

01:16:55 ◼   ► but like it doesn't use any of the new complication styles

01:16:58 ◼   ► that they've introduced over the last five years

01:17:00 ◼   ► or whatever, it's still living in the past.

01:17:02 ◼   ► And what I wanna believe, for both of our sakes

01:17:07 ◼   ► and for our picks' sakes, is that the new version of watchOS

01:17:11 ◼   ► is going to have an upgrade to watch face technology,

01:17:15 ◼   ► probably including complications,

01:17:17 ◼   ► and that they're gonna get everything

01:17:19 ◼   ► on the new whatever it is, right?

01:17:21 ◼   ► And like now they're all using this format,

01:17:25 ◼   ► now they all use these complications,

01:17:27 ◼   ► now there are, you know,

01:17:28 ◼   ► and because really the face picker and all that,

01:17:31 ◼   ► it's evolved a little bit,

01:17:33 ◼   ► but it feels very much like it's still evolving

01:17:35 ◼   ► the first version of it.

01:17:36 ◼   ► and I wonder if they'll do a new take that will encompass new faces and upgrading the

01:17:41 ◼   ► old faces to be more modern.

01:17:44 ◼   ► I think they'll do something.

01:17:46 ◼   ► But if they literally, if they put up one of those old watch faces and it's got a complication

01:17:50 ◼   ► style that is not currently supported, that's what I'm talking about here.

01:17:53 ◼   ► Yeah, for sure.

01:17:54 ◼   ► I mean, and they've had a combo above, right?

01:17:56 ◼   ► They've done new watch faces at WWDC, they've done, and then they've also had some in September,

01:18:02 ◼   ► we'll see.

01:18:04 ◼   ► I think the only wrinkle I could imagine for your pick here

01:18:07 ◼   ► is if like there's some kind of design change

01:18:10 ◼   ► to the Apple Watch again,

01:18:11 ◼   ► and they upgrade the old watch faces for that,

01:18:14 ◼   ► so they wouldn't want to show it too soon.

01:18:16 ◼   ► But I don't know. - Possible.

01:18:18 ◼   ► - But we'll see.

01:18:19 ◼   ► - I'm gonna stick, Myke, with watchOS.

01:18:21 ◼   ► We're just gonna keep it rolling here.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Hard to believe that we're doing this, but we're doing it.

01:18:25 ◼   ► - Especially considering how little time

01:18:26 ◼   ► watchOS got last year, right?

01:18:28 ◼   ► - I know. - It was,

01:18:29 ◼   ► I don't even think it really was in the Kino at all.

01:18:31 ◼   ► - But this is like one of those bread and butter things,

01:18:33 ◼   ► which is a new health focused app in watchOS.

01:18:36 ◼   ► I don't know even what it is,

01:18:37 ◼   ► but they always like to add health features to watchOS.

01:18:41 ◼   ► So let's throw it in.

01:18:43 ◼   ► I'm willing to take the risk.

01:18:45 ◼   ► - If they're gonna do something to it,

01:18:47 ◼   ► that's always a solid bet, right?

01:18:49 ◼   ► - Unless there's a new sensor on a watch in the fall

01:18:52 ◼   ► that they save it for,

01:18:53 ◼   ► but they just, they really like doing this.

01:18:55 ◼   ► They really like adding some app to do something.

01:18:58 ◼   ► And you know, watchOS apps aren't exactly heavy lifting.

01:19:00 ◼   ► They can add a fairly basic new thing and say,

01:19:03 ◼   ► "Look, we added maybe more than one.

01:19:06 ◼   ► They added this and this, and isn't that great?"

01:19:08 ◼   ► And we'll be like, "Okay, that's a new health-focused app.

01:19:10 ◼   ► That's what the product is for."

01:19:12 ◼   ► - Last year, they didn't add a new app,

01:19:15 ◼   ► but they updated one.

01:19:16 ◼   ► They had updated the Breathe app to include mindfulness.

01:19:20 ◼   ► - Yes, and changed its name.

01:19:22 ◼   ► - I think it's still called Breathe, isn't it?

01:19:24 ◼   ► - No, it's Mindfulness now.

01:19:25 ◼   ► - Oh, okay, well, there you go.

01:19:27 ◼   ► Yeah, so that would be the new app, right?

01:19:29 ◼   ► That would have worked for you.

01:19:31 ◼   ► My third pick, I'm doubling down on stagecraft.

01:19:36 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:19:38 ◼   ► - And I'm gonna say that Tim Cook presents

01:19:40 ◼   ► in front of an audience.

01:19:42 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:19:43 ◼   ► - This is what I consider to be the minimum amount,

01:19:47 ◼   ► which is that Tim does his good morning,

01:19:50 ◼   ► so excited for you to be here today.

01:19:51 ◼   ► You know, he stops for five minutes for applause

01:19:53 ◼   ► 'cause it will be raucous applause.

01:19:55 ◼   ► And he says how happy he is for everyone to be here

01:19:59 ◼   ► and he's so excited to see developers here at Apple Park.

01:20:04 ◼   ► We're so happy to welcome you all here,

01:20:06 ◼   ► you know, that kind of stuff.

01:20:06 ◼   ► We've got a great week planned for you all

01:20:09 ◼   ► and for developers watching live at home, you know?

01:20:13 ◼   ► And then he comes out at the end and he's like,

01:20:15 ◼   ► "Wasn't that great?

01:20:17 ◼   ► We can't wait to see what you do with it."

01:20:18 ◼   ► Right?

01:20:19 ◼   ► That feels like the minimum part.

01:20:21 ◼   ► - I agree.

01:20:22 ◼   ► I agree.

01:20:23 ◼   ► And Zach pointed out,

01:20:24 ◼   ► Tim Cook presenting as he did last year

01:20:26 ◼   ► in front of an audience of Memojis does not count.

01:20:29 ◼   ► If they do that this year, what are they doing?

01:20:31 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:20:32 ◼   ► Like you've got actual people that know.

01:20:34 ◼   ► This is an audience of human beings.

01:20:36 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:20:37 ◼   ► I'm gonna, 'cause you're picking up

01:20:40 ◼   ► some potentially easy wins here,

01:20:42 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw in a view of the Steve Jobs Theater,

01:20:45 ◼   ► including lobby and entry level.

01:20:47 ◼   ► Now this is important because,

01:20:49 ◼   ► is the presentation gonna be in the Steve Jobs Theater?

01:20:52 ◼   ► Maybe, but they also use the big lobby area

01:20:57 ◼   ► for an entry-level area for demos in their videos.

01:21:00 ◼   ► - So we need to see at least the lobby and entry

01:21:03 ◼   ► for this to be correct?

01:21:05 ◼   ► Is that what you're saying?

01:21:06 ◼   ► - It just needs to be, yeah,

01:21:07 ◼   ► something in that Steve Jobs Theater,

01:21:07 ◼   ► the big round building.

01:21:08 ◼   ► Now they usually do a prerecorded presentation from the,

01:21:12 ◼   ► because they built that whole building

01:21:13 ◼   ► and during the pandemic, there's been nobody in it, right?

01:21:16 ◼   ► So even if they don't use the theater,

01:21:18 ◼   ► if they use the lobby or entry level, that will work.

01:21:23 ◼   ► One of those big circular spaces.

01:21:24 ◼   ► There's the one with the two elevators and the stairs,

01:21:27 ◼   ► and then there's the top level

01:21:28 ◼   ► that's just the big round thing with the windows looking out.

01:21:31 ◼   ► Any of those, including the inside, like theater portion,

01:21:35 ◼   ► but just something in the Steve Jobs Theater.

01:21:36 ◼   ► - I've changed this pick,

01:21:38 ◼   ► for you to make it a bit more simple,

01:21:39 ◼   ► inside view of the Steve Jobs Theater.

01:21:41 ◼   ► - Okay. - That could be any part of it.

01:21:42 ◼   ► - But it could be any part of it.

01:21:43 ◼   ► - We know that, like, that the Steve Jobs Theater

01:21:45 ◼   ► is that entire building.

01:21:46 ◼   ► - Whole building.

01:21:47 ◼   ► - So if anybody presents anything

01:21:48 ◼   ► from inside of anywhere, we'll know.

01:21:52 ◼   ► - Yep. - And that will count.

01:21:53 ◼   ► And that's a good pick,

01:21:53 ◼   ► because if they do the prerecorded video, they'll do it.

01:21:58 ◼   ► If they do a presentation from in there, they'll do it.

01:22:00 ◼   ► But I don't know. - I think so.

01:22:02 ◼   ► - It would be odd to present from inside

01:22:04 ◼   ► of the Steve Jobs Theater if everyone's outside,

01:22:06 ◼   ► but we'll find out.

01:22:08 ◼   ► - All right.

01:22:09 ◼   ► - All right, I'm putting my,

01:22:12 ◼   ► I'm gonna put my flag in the ground.

01:22:15 ◼   ► No AR or VR hardware announced or preannounced.

01:22:22 ◼   ► (whistles)

01:22:24 ◼   ► All right.

01:22:25 ◼   ► It's what we call a buzzkill pick, but-

01:22:28 ◼   ► - I don't think it's happening.

01:22:29 ◼   ► - It's consistent with your other thing,

01:22:30 ◼   ► which is Apple's not gonna announce the headset.

01:22:32 ◼   ► They're not gonna pre-announce anything about it.

01:22:34 ◼   ► They will do the major head fake,

01:22:36 ◼   ► you wink, wink, nudge, nudge, gesture thing

01:22:38 ◼   ► with AR and VR features in iOS,

01:22:40 ◼   ► but they're just not gonna talk about it.

01:22:43 ◼   ► - Now this pick doesn't include the operating system, right?

01:22:45 ◼   ► This is the hardware.

01:22:46 ◼   ► However, I also think it's the same,

01:22:47 ◼   ► but it's not in my pick.

01:22:49 ◼   ► - I think it's the same because

01:22:51 ◼   ► You know, you're picking a different version of a pick I put in there that I'm still tempted

01:22:59 ◼   ► to pick, but it's Apple acknowledges existence of headset but doesn't announce headset, which

01:23:05 ◼   ► is a similar thing, which is they could say reality OS for a forthcoming product that

01:23:11 ◼   ► we're not going to announce today.

01:23:12 ◼   ► - It's just not happening in my opinion.

01:23:14 ◼   ► None of it is.

01:23:15 ◼   ► Like I just, they don't need to do it now.

01:23:18 ◼   ► They just don't, right?

01:23:19 ◼   ► in my opinion it just seems like it's too early and I know there's been lots of stories about

01:23:24 ◼   ► trademark filings and that kind of stuff but I've seen some reports saying that this is purely

01:23:28 ◼   ► coincidental because trademarks have to be filed six months in advance of a product in certain

01:23:33 ◼   ► markets etc etc. Nevertheless there is smoke here but that fire is far away like that fire is down

01:23:43 ◼   ► the road, right? We're gonna get to it later on. There's enough stuff at WWDC. I don't see AR/VR

01:23:51 ◼   ► hardware being announced here. Honestly, the only way I see that is if they have very little for

01:23:58 ◼   ► their other platforms, and that doesn't seem likely to me. I think you could, you're gonna,

01:24:03 ◼   ► when they want to show this up, they're gonna spend a lot of time on it, and I don't think

01:24:07 ◼   ► that's time they're gonna give in full next Monday. It's a tough one because this has been,

01:24:12 ◼   ► You know, the reports are that they were originally planning on announcing it at WWDC.

01:24:17 ◼   ► There's a lot of reasons why you would, because it's a developer message.

01:24:20 ◼   ► You want to get the developers hyped about it.

01:24:22 ◼   ► And they have people there, right? Like, this is one of the things I was saying,

01:24:25 ◼   ► "Oh, it's definitely not going to happen if they don't have people." Well, it turns out not.

01:24:28 ◼   ► They have media going. That was what I said was needed. But I still don't think it's happening.

01:24:33 ◼   ► Yeah. It's, uh, this is so tough, because I honestly don't know. I think there are lots

01:24:39 ◼   ► of scenarios where they would announce it, but there are also a lot of reports that it's just

01:24:42 ◼   ► not far enough along for them to announce it. So, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. It's a tough one because

01:24:53 ◼   ► it's the--look, you get all those developers together, it's the elephant in the room, right?

01:24:58 ◼   ► Like, everybody knows. Everybody who's an Apple platform developer is like, "There's gonna be a

01:25:01 ◼   ► headset. I'm gonna have to figure out what I'm doing with that." But are they gonna do that at

01:25:05 ◼   ► at this event on top of everything else.

01:25:09 ◼   ► All right, I guess it's my pick.

01:25:10 ◼   ► I guess I can't avoid it anymore.

01:25:12 ◼   ► A service is one that I like,

01:25:15 ◼   ► but I don't think I wanna go with it

01:25:17 ◼   ► because they announced service changes at weird times

01:25:22 ◼   ► and this doesn't seem like the right time to do that.

01:25:24 ◼   ► Okay, I'm gonna wimp out

01:25:27 ◼   ► and rather than making the bold pick of,

01:25:29 ◼   ► which I kinda wanna make,

01:25:30 ◼   ► which is Apple acknowledges the headset exists,

01:25:34 ◼   ► but doesn't announce it,

01:25:34 ◼   ► which would be such a power move.

01:25:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with rules for the TV app changed

01:25:42 ◼   ► to accommodate more services.

01:25:44 ◼   ► - I would love this.

01:25:46 ◼   ► - This is one that you, I think put in there,

01:25:48 ◼   ► but it's the idea here is, Apple has had some challenges,

01:25:53 ◼   ► especially with Netflix in terms of how the TV app works

01:25:56 ◼   ► and they want it to be a central thing.

01:25:58 ◼   ► So maybe if there's a TVOS announcement,

01:26:00 ◼   ► which there's gotta be,

01:26:01 ◼   ► that they will change the TV app

01:26:04 ◼   ► with the goal of accommodating more services.

01:26:07 ◼   ► I don't know what form this takes,

01:26:09 ◼   ► but actually, you know what?

01:26:11 ◼   ► I'm going to back off of it

01:26:12 ◼   ► 'cause I'm not sure I want to be that specific.

01:26:14 ◼   ► There is another item on our list here

01:26:16 ◼   ► that's even vaguer than that,

01:26:20 ◼   ► which is just the TVO app is redesigned.

01:26:22 ◼   ► Let's go with that one, TVO app.

01:26:23 ◼   ► - Oh, look, this is,

01:26:24 ◼   ► Jason has worked on the unthinkable

01:26:26 ◼   ► and has pulled, has set a pick and rejected that.

01:26:31 ◼   ► - And I yoink, it's, you know,

01:26:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna just go with a broader TV app pick.

01:26:35 ◼   ► Changes to the TV app, TV app redesigned on TV OS.

01:26:38 ◼   ► I hope it includes rule changes that enable,

01:26:42 ◼   ► we had one item on our little list that is like,

01:26:43 ◼   ► they make a deal with Netflix to put Netflix in the TV app.

01:26:47 ◼   ► I'm not picking that

01:26:48 ◼   ► 'cause I don't really wanna believe it,