410: Apple Park Vibe Check
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 410. Today's episode is brought to you by Sourcegraph,
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Bombus, Membrful and Doppler. My name is Myke Hurley and I have the absolute pleasure of
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being joined by Jason Snell. Hi Jason! Hi Myke Hurley, we're so close to one another
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right now. But yet so far. But yet so far. We need to talk about something in case you
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haven't seen on Twitter. I am in San Jose as promised but after I arrived I tested positive
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with Covid so I have spent the last couple of days in my hotel room. I've had to pull
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out of all of the events at Apple Park. I'm very very upset about this. I was fine. I
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did negative multiple times before I left and when I arrived a couple of hours later
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I did a test. It was positive. I did multiple tests over like a 24-hour period and yeah,
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I have coronavirus and I feel pretty bad, Jason, I'm not gonna lie, in multiple ways
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emotionally and physically.
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Yeah, oh good. It's good that you got those to sync up like.
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Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna do it, do both of them.
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I guess you were feeling it and I expected you to say like, "Oh, I'm fine. I'm just really
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sad." And you're like, "No, I feel terrible."
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Oh, I feel terrible, yeah.
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- Great, fantastic.
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Well, but anyway, you're in San Jose
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and I'm in Cupertino at Apple Park
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at the new developer center
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where they have set up an amazing little podcast studio
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that has been home and is home to many podcasts here.
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So thanks to Zach Kahn and all the other people in Apple
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for getting this to happen for us.
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And I'm sorry you're not here.
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- Yeah, everyone's been really amazing
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and super nice to me, which I greatly appreciate.
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and hopefully next time, maybe next time,
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you know, I'll just keep saying this forever,
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like maybe next time. - Maybe next time, sure.
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- Kind of like the draft, Jason, maybe next time,
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you know what I'm saying?
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Maybe next time.
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- You know, I did not score the draft during the event,
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which I sometimes have done at home,
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but I did not do this time.
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And then at the very end, I had no idea how it would turn out
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and even as I was clicking, 'cause we got a lot wrong,
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I wasn't keeping score or paying attention
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and I got to the bottom and I said, wait a second,
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I won eight to seven.
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How is that possible?
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But I seem to have won.
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- I scored it nine to eight, but yeah.
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- Interesting.
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Well, let's go through it real quick, if you don't mind.
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- I would love to.
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- Okay, so iOS and iPad.
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Well, that's the quick part is what you love.
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Apps can run, I picked in this category,
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iOS and iPad OS picks.
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Apps can run on an external display on iPad OS.
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You got a lot to say about that, but that's yes.
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More user controllable design and theming, that's a yes.
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Widgets or widget-like features on the lock screen,
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that's a yes.
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Global keyboard shortcuts for shortcuts on iPad,
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that's a no. - No, thank you.
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- New car key partners named,
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oh, if I had said car play partners,
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all those car company logos that were up there,
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but not for car key. - Oh, I scored that one
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- No, I don't think so. - But it wasn't, was it?
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Okay, so this has potentially changed things.
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We might be up for a debate now, so let's carry on.
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- No, it's good that we've dismissed Steven.
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Classical music app, no.
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You had new privacy focused features.
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- Yep, new AR features.
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Strangely, not discussed.
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New notification management tools outside of focus modes.
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- So this is-- - Have that as a yes?
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- You had that as a yes, cool, I had that as a yes.
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I wondered if you-- - I have that as a yes.
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Because they changed how notifications work.
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- They do. - Right?
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- Yeah, they did.
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plus the eliminating sports scores and things
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and turning those things
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into a different kind of notification, right?
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- Yeah, that's got a particular name,
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which we will get to later on.
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It's sort of like live interactions or something like that.
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- Yeah, I don't think that's what it is,
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but it is a new thing.
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New features for messages. - Hey, I've got COVID brain,
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man, you gotta let me off today, you know?
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- All right, new features for messages.
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Yep, yep, for sure.
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Enhancements to Swift UI.
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Yes, but not in the keynote. (laughs)
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- You know, when I looked,
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I was looking over the draft right before we started
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and I was like, why did I pick that?
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That was a stupid pick.
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That was a stupid pick.
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Like of course it was gonna happen,
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but they weren't gonna talk about it during the keynote.
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- I had a few of those where I thought,
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why did I think they would say that at the keynote?
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- So stupid.
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- You think we would have learned
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and redesign of the home app.
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Yep, that happened.
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All right, so in that group,
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the scores are four to three in your favor.
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macOS and Mac hardware picks.
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- This is a bad one.
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- That was a bloodbath.
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At least one feature will be stated
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as being Apple Silicon only.
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Nope, not on the matter.
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- There are features like this again,
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as these things trickle out afterwards.
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There is some stuff,
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I think it might be live text related, I could check but--
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- But I don't think they mentioned any of it in the keynote
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because why would you say something negative in the keynote?
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It's a keynote.
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New MacBook Air announced, I think I got that one, Myke.
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I think I got it. - I think you sure did.
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- Shortcuts for Mac improvements specifically highlighted.
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New way to access widgets on Mac OS.
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No, this is you now.
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These are your picks.
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New Mac Pro.
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I missed that if that happened.
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I don't think that happened.
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And redesign of system preferences.
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Yes, but not in the keynote, apparently.
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But word has reached these shores
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from the state of the union that that did happen.
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- Oh wait, the system preferences thing.
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It was in the keynote.
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It was on one of the big blurb slide things.
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- Oh, I was sitting way back and sitting.
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So you're gonna claim that?
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It was there, I can promise you that.
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- It was like it said, I think it said,
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it wasn't called system preferences, I think,
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but it was like it had a little screenshot
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and it was like system wide settings
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or whatever, system preferences or something.
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So it was in the keynote.
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- What did they do to it?
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- It's got a redesign.
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It looks like iOS now.
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- Oh, interesting.
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Yeah, I haven't seen that.
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- So with the whole like the navigation on the left side
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and then all of the settings.
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So it looks like the iPad settings.
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- We have witnesses who say what's in the slide.
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Okay, well then this is gonna go your way.
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- My fortunes might be changing.
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My fortunes might be changing.
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This is great news.
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- Yeah, you feel better all of a sudden.
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- I feel like a new man already.
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- Okay, other picks.
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Here's what I've chose.
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Craig Federighi appears, easy.
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Old watch faces upgraded, yes.
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- Jason, I have incredible news for you on this.
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Utility will now feature rich complications.
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- I know, that's exactly what I asked for.
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- It's just what you asked for,
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and they did it for you, Jason.
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- They did it, they did it.
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New health focused app in watchOS, yes indeed.
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- I'm very excited about that.
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- There he is.
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Inside view of the Steve Jobs theater
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with wacky special effects, no way.
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- Did they look inside of the Steve Jobs theater,
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you know what I mean?
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Let's put him on a fake lift and we'll send him down.
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And they're like, oh, you liked him catching an iPad?
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Now he's gonna catch an iPhone.
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Craig can catch anything.
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TV app redesigned on TV OS.
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- What's TV OS?
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I never heard of it.
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- I don't know either.
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All right, you picked.
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Some portion of the program is live.
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- No, it wasn't. - Nope.
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- This was a huge surprise to me.
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We'll talk about this in a little bit,
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but I was very surprised about that.
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- New watch faces, yes, always.
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Tim Cook presents in front of an audience.
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Now, people are gonna say, well,
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Tim Cook did go and say good morning
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to the crowd at Apple Park.
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- Good morning. - In advance of it.
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He said it twice.
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He said, "Good morning, good morning."
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And then Craig came out and also said, "Good morning."
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- Good morning.
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- However, it was not on the live stream.
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If they'd put it on the live stream,
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this would have counted, but it doesn't count
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'cause it wasn't in the keynote.
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It was in his pre-keynote remarks
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to a small gathering instead.
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So it doesn't count.
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- I checked this with you after the thing.
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'Cause I was like, for me, I could go either way on it,
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but I wanted to see what you thought.
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- And I did consult with Steven Hackett
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and he said that he agreed.
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If it didn't stream out, then it doesn't count.
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- And I don't disagree with you, right?
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- Yeah, you don't need to now.
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- If we were there together, then it's like,
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we know that if we're looking at this kind of like
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big brain of like, well, the keynote that we perceived,
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you know, but obviously I didn't see it,
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so I can't really make that argument.
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- Not really.
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No AR or VR hardware announced or pre-announced,
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you nailed it, the buzzkill pic, good job.
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New way to access favorite apps in watchOS.
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They said that-- - Pinning.
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This is exactly what I wanted.
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It's a combination of the two features.
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'Cause on watchOS right now,
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you can either have favorites or recents.
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- But what they've given is what I wanted,
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which is recents with some apps
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that you can pin in that view.
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- Yeah, and they did specifically say in the keynote
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about how there was a new way to put the most common apps
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or the running apps at the top of the list.
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And so that alone was enough.
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It blew right past my brain,
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but it was like, okay, that does count.
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They did say that.
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We didn't get the name right, it's Ventura.
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- What a great name though.
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- I consider, so I considered Ventura
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and this is a case where I knew too much about California
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because Ventura is a great name for an operating system
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and not that nice a place, but that's okay.
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Sorry, apologies to Ventura.
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- I can't get Jesse "The Bloody" Ventura out my head.
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- Mackie "The Bloody" Ventura, that's where I am.
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- Well, because of that, Myke, you win the draft
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'cause it's the under. - Oh my God.
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So you win an 8-8 on a tie break.
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- Jason, this is the best gift you could have given me today.
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You know, I've had a terrible day.
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- It's all worth it.
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- I wouldn't say that.
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Wouldn't say it's all worth it.
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But this has put me in a very good mood now, you know?
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I'm very happy about that.
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Wow, look at me.
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- I'm gonna have to flip over my pennant.
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- The curse is broken.
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- This was always your strongest event.
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- Yeah, WWDC is where I shine, you know?
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- And I did it.
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Oh man, that's so good.
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I will raise my own hand in victory.
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- Mm-hmm, I see it.
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- So Jason, you were at Apple Park today.
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- What was going on?
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There was lots, the pictures were interesting.
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It looked surprising to me, like where you were
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and how it was set up.
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What was the vibe?
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Give me a vibe check.
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- Yeah, so having not done this before,
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none of us really knew what to expect.
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And, so I've been to the Steve Jobs Theater
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a bunch of times for events and even for product briefings
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when there weren't events.
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And there's a way you do that,
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which is you park under the Apple store
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and then you come over to the visitor's center
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and they let you in and you go to the left, up the hill,
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to the Steve Jobs Theater.
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That's how it's done.
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And today we parked at the developer's center.
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We walked in through that same entryway,
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the Tantao Entrance Welcome Center, whatever it is.
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- Does that mean anything, Tan Tao?
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'Cause I always think of, what are they in Star Wars?
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Is it Taunt?
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- Tauntauns? - Tauntauns.
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That's how I read it, is like Tauntaun Avenue.
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I'm like, oh man, gotta climb in there when you're cold.
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- I imagine it's like a guy who they named a street after
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who was down here when it was all like orchards or something
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and they just named it after old man Tan Tao.
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So this time you go through there and you go right.
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Like, whoa, I haven't been to the right before.
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- What happens over there?
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- You know what's the right, Myke?
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To the right is the actual ring at Apple Park.
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And I've never been anywhere near that before.
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above Cafe Max and we hung out there for a couple of hours
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'cause we got in at like 8 a.m.
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but hey, Jason's been there before.
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Steve Jobs Theater is not inside the ring
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or even that close to it, right?
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- No, it's in the super block that Apple Park is in.
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Like this building, the developer center we're in right now
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is across Tantow Avenue from the super block
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where all that stuff is.
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It's right next, it's actually right across the street
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from the visitor center.
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So Steve Jobs Theater is in that super block,
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but again, it is separate.
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It is in the, whatever that is,
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southeast corner of the campus.
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and then if you go right, you go to the ring.
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If you go left, you go up the hill
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to the Steve Jobs Theater.
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So they're separate from each other.
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from the Steve Jobs Theater, but it's off in the distance.
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It's an intentional design to bring the public
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over to this space for public events
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and not have them be in Apple Park.
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My guess, just, we were thinking about this
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while we were sitting there this morning,
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is that there was probably even some debate
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and discussion within Apple about like,
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would the ring be something that would ever be sort of used
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in public events or would it not be?
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And it could be, but I was,
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I'm not sure I believed it ever would be,
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but things, you know, things have changed.
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- There was no purpose for it.
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Like, they built a whole theater,
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like there's no reason to ever have had non-Apple employees
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in the building.
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- And again, now they have the developer center, right?
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Even, you know, 'cause I was talking to David Smith,
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I traveled to David Smith.
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Luckily we were all masked the entire time,
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just as a note.
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I just should say as well, my wife Adina's with me,
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and she's negative, which is great.
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It's making things complicated here,
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'cause we're wearing masks constantly, even sleeping,
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which is real hard in an FFP2 mask,
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but we're making it work.
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But I'm blessed to have her here
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'cause I would be completely lost right now.
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But anyway, I traveled with David
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and we were talking about the developer center.
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One of the great things about the developer center
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and that it exists is that people can go to Apple Park
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and have meetings now, right?
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Because previously there was no way to do that.
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And it's like the same for me and you.
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Like if we had a friend at Apple
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or whatever and wanted to go have a lunch,
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they can't take us in there.
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Like it's not a thing that happens.
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I understand why, right?
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And so like that's what they have all the,
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they have the visitor center outside,
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the developer center.
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So you think why would they ever let anybody
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inside the ring?
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And they have done that, but that is a big surprise
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to everyone who cares about this stuff I think.
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- Yeah, so the, right now what I would say though is
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things have changed.
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They did this event.
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They brought in, there were a lot of people there.
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They brought in a lot of developers,
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and there were people from Apple,
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and there was a lot of media there.
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sort of the usual media crowd,
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it was really quite remarkable.
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It was a lot of familiar faces.
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It was a throwback to 2019, essentially.
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And the way they set it up is they opened basically
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all of the sliding doors at all at Cafe Max,
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but the event actually sort of faced out from Cafe Max
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to a kind of a lawn on the outside.
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So we weren't inside the ring when the event was going on,
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and they had like essentially like a jumbotron.
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So I was concerned, we talked about like seeing the video
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in bright sunlight and all that,
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but it was like a jumbotron kind of a scoreboard thing
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you'd see at a sporting event
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where the light is not a problem,
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it's a very bright screen.
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And so that was the venue.
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I will say, I look at this event and think to myself,
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I don't know why Apple would ever do anything
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other than this ever again for the developer conference
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because you can get a...
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- It looked like there was a lot of people there too, Jason.
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- There were a lot of people there,
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but even if it was-- - It looked like hundreds
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and hundreds of people there.
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- Even if it's fewer,
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Even if it's a lot fewer than would go to San Jose,
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what I would say is it's the difference
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between 99.99% of Apple developers don't go
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and 99.999%, like nobody goes.
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It's an exclusionary thing.
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People are watching online.
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And the livestream of the keynote
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and the State of the Union and then all of the sessions
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is such a great way to do it.
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It's great for everybody.
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So I don't think there's that much of a difference,
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but it does allow people to come
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and it does allow them to have this.
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And the big thing is that Apple gets to do it
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on their terms in their space that they own
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in the way they want.
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And rather than having to deal with
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San Jose Convention Center and their caterer
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and their unions who are doing the trucking
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and all those things, it's like,
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they don't have to do any of that.
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They've got their own facilities
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and they've proven that they can do it.
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So I would actually be surprised
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if this is not the model going forward,
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which is a short one, two,
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maybe an extra day spillover event that happens.
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It's really about the keynote.
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It's about getting some developers
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into the developer center and to see the keynote
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and to talk to people,
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but that everybody else experiences it online.
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And in fact, if I had to make a prediction
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and COVID makes this, it's difficult to make predictions.
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I would say that the ultimate form of this
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is probably that we're all back in the Steve Jobs Theater.
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- Right, okay.
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So the media may be in the Steve Jobs Theater,
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'cause this was a question we had before,
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like would they split it up?
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Which really they could have today, right?
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'Cause there wasn't actually a focal point.
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- They could have.
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- We were wondering.
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- But that theater has a lot of people,
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will fit a lot of people in it.
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But regardless, I think it was a good event and a good venue
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and the only thing that surprised me
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was that there was no live component
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and I have two thoughts about that.
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One of which is streaming things live is really hard
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and preloading things onto a CDN is a good way to do it
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and you can't do that if it's live.
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And the second point is COVID, right?
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Which is if you make the presentation in such a way
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that you're intending for it to be used
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with a live component
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and you have to cancel the live component,
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you have to then go back
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and make a different version of it or whatever.
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So better to not, right?
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Better to not.
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And instead we got, you know,
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Tim and Craig came out in front of the screen at 8.50
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or no, sorry, 9.50 and said, "Good morning, good morning.
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It's great to be here."
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and they like, and it was literally like,
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and presenting me, it was like going to a premiere
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where the stars of the show come out beforehand
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to say, look, we enjoy our movie.
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And then they're out of there.
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So I don't know, it feels like a model
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for their future events.
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- This seems to have gone so well.
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Even sitting on the outside,
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I could kind of see how well it was all going.
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I think you're bang on.
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They can maybe expand it out in different ways.
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do more in person parts.
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I could imagine a situation where they do like
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what they did today and they have developers come
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and they set up Cafe Max like that.
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'Cause it seemed like it was very well,
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not purpose made for it, but like they were able
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to really easily, it seems, fit everything in there.
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- Yeah, I think, and I know it's an effort
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and they have to bring in lots of people
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to do crowd control and all that,
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but the fact is, you have to do all of that anyway
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at a big event, but I think just my read on it is
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that Apple would prefer.
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I mean, it's their turf.
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It's their everything, the food they serve,
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the drinks they serve, like everything just gets to be
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using the stuff that Apple does,
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instead of it being dealing with, you know,
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whatever bureaucracy is in San Jose or San Francisco
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or anywhere else that you have to work with
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and get judged by, right?
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Then you want the event to be perfect
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and there's something about it that you don't like
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that you can't control.
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I mean, ATP always talks about the box lunches
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at Moscone, right?
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And it's like, well, whatever vendor was mandated to run,
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you got the contract from Moscone Center,
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they were the ones who did that and they set the price
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and Apple did not have much of a choice there.
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And so here Apple gets to have much more control over it.
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So I think it was a very positive experience.
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It was very much a one day event kind of experience.
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It was like going to any other Apple media event,
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except we sat outside and watched a video
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instead of going into the theater
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and watching people on stage.
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But it did feel like a model.
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And it did still have that kind of festival vibe
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that a WWDC keynote has that a media event doesn't
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because the developers are there
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and they're legitimately excited.
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Whereas at a media event, what you get is,
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you get the media, most of whom are not supposed
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to be cheering and stuff.
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And so you also then have sort of your VIP invited guest
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and Apple employee people who are making the noise
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because you really do wanna have it sound like a
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full theater with people cheering and stuff.
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And with the developers, the energy is totally different
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and you don't need to worry about it.
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They will cheer.
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Although I will admit that when they announced
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external display support for the iPad,
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I did throw up my arms like I was a referee
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signaling a touchdown at a football game.
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But otherwise I was fairly restrained.
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has gone into the lock screen feels like it's maybe setting the stage for something, as
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well as it is just making it better, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, it certainly makes it, um, it increases the value of that space, which means if you
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were to have a phone that could stay on,
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it would be able to, you know, display information
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that would be valuable in some ways.
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I was struck by -- I think it's funny.
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You know, we talk a lot about the Apple reusing stuff
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in different places.
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I was really struck by how this is watch faces, essentially.
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-Yes, incredible, right? -The inspiration for this feature
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is coming from the implementation of watch faces
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on watchOS, not just in the sense that you've got your,
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sort of tap and hold and then swipe between different watch faces, which is very much
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like the watch face editing interface, but also that you've got essentially complications
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that you can put in, and that you've got then the, you know, tap in the various little bordered
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areas to do customization in terms of what goes where.
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That's all very familiar for anybody who's used watchOS.
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Watch face, right?
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the kind of vibe with the time going behind a subject in an image.
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Same thing as on the watch. So that was notable. Also my immediate thought, and by the way,
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as they were going through all the different colors and fonts, I looked over it at _DavidSmith
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who was absolutely laughing and bouncing up and down because it looks so much like what
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he has been playing with with WidgetSmith for two years. But it strikes me, and I know
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we've talked about it before, that the way the operating system cycle often works is
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by the time everybody has gathered all the anecdotes and all of the buzz about the first
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few months of an OS release being out there and what do people love and what do people
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not love, people are already working on what the next OS rev is going to be. And as a result,
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You get a lot of situations where there's a two-year cycle that happens because everybody
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making their aesthetic AF home screens two years ago, by the time that really hits, it
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may be harder to find a way to fit in iOS 15 a bunch of customization features to ride
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And so instead it sort of gets bookmarked as like, "Okay, let's do this in the next
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And we see that there are a lot of things that seem to go into your cycles.
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And it's very clear to me that this is something that got, I don't want to say like this happened
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because of that, because there's lots of other things there including possibly like justifying
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it because they want to have an iPhone that has the screen on all the time.
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There's lots of things there.
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But it strikes me that one of the things that was motivating this feature to get prioritized
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is the response to all of the widgets
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and all of personal customization on iPhones two years ago.
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Like this is what we talked about back then,
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back two years ago about how Apple should get this signal
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that people really wanna customize
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and personalize their iPhones.
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And here it is, not only here,
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but because it's interconnected to focus modes,
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you're changing the watch face or the lock screen,
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I call it a watch face, sure.
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You're changing the lock screen can change your home screen
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because it changes your focus mode.
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So there's lots going on here, but I think it looks fun
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and there will be lots of horrible lock screens,
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but that's okay.
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That's part of the price you pay for customization
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and I love it.
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And wallpapers too, all sorts of wild wallpaper things
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and like themes where you pick emoji
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and it does a pattern with them and colors and--
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- And there was that thing, we were talking about it, right?
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That like what Mark Gumman reported didn't seem right
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in that like, there are some lock screens
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that are like weather lock screens
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and it just shows the weather, right?
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- Right. - But that's a choice
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that you can make, it's not like the only thing.
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You can use your own imagery.
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And I'm intrigued to see like, I don't know about,
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it's like will people be able to like make images
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that are like this, you know,
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like where the time can go behind them?
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Like, could I make in Photoshop something and put some data in
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and make it available?
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I don't know, right?
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I don't know.
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I don't know if we mentioned it, but the widgets
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on the home screen, they literally are complications.
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Like, it's been confirmed it's the same code.
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So apps that have watch components,
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you'll be able to put this information in there.
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I don't know right now if you can do anything special
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specifically for the lock screen stuff,
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but it's possible to actually have this available.
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Like, you know, if you have a Apple Watch complication,
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you can add it to this little area, and it's fantastic.
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Like, I love it. I think it's great.
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-This is such a good example of Apple,
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because the -- just think about it.
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Who does big consumer operating systems?
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And there's, like, Microsoft has Windows,
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and Google has Android.
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Apple has iOS, macOS, iPadOS, TVOS, WatchOS,
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maybe other OSes to come, right?
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The only way it can maintain all of those
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is by trying to create this fairly common platform,
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giving developers tools that can be reused,
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tools it can reuse itself.
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Like this is how Apple is capable
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of maintaining all of this stuff.
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So when you see something like complications
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being on the iPhone home screen, it's like, well, yeah.
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Why would you invent a new thing
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that does exactly what the other thing does?
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Widgets is the same way, right?
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Like widgets, if Apple makes that rumor
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about like a HomePod with a screen, right?
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Like I'll eat my hat, I won't actually,
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but just as a point of phrase,
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if it doesn't do things like reuse widgets,
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'cause why would you build a new thing
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to have ambient information
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when you've already built the thing
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and it's called widgets or it's called complications?
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So it makes a lot of sense for these things to be reused
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and I'm glad that they are reusing them
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because no developer wants to say,
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"Wait a second, you built a different thing
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"that's just like complications but isn't?
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"So I have to do all new work?"
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Like, no, you don't.
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We already did this and we've had it for several years
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and everybody understands how it works
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and here it is on the lock screen.
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- We didn't get interactive widgets.
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What we did get is something that's halfway
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between a notification and a widget
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and they're called live activities.
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- Live activities.
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- And they were shown off as like,
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"Hey, sports, there's some sports going on, you know,
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and you want the scores of the sports?
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Well, here's the notification."
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Instead of getting like 20 notifications
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of everything happening on the sports,
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you can just get one notification
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and it will update over time.
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- Well, so like the MLB app,
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and in another era,
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they probably would have been on stage to demo this,
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but in the MLB app, one of the things you can do is say,
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for my favorite team, notify me when the score changes.
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- And that means that every time anybody scores
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in a baseball game, you get a separate push notification.
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When what you really want is put the score
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of the Giants game on my notification screen, right?
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Like that's what you really want,
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but since that wasn't available,
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they're just pushing out a notification
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every time somebody crosses home plate.
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And so with live events, or live activities, stuff like that,
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and there's probably lots of other data classes
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that are like this, where you're really just monitoring
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an event on your home screen, or on your lock screen,
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you're not, it's not about notifications,
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it's about monitoring the status of something.
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So this is a great example of thinking about this
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and looking at how people use and abuse notification center
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and push notifications and say,
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all right, we need to give them something
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so they stop doing this 'cause nobody is happy here.
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The apps aren't happy
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that they're sending all those notifications.
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The users aren't happy that they're getting them.
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We're not happy that the notification center is full of junk.
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Let's build something to solve this.
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And that looks like what Live Activities is.
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- Myke was in the Discord.
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We stream live, we stream in this on live.
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You can always check it out, relay.fm/live
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if you're a Relay FM member,
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especially if it's what upgrade plus,
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you get access to our Discord, not especially, including,
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but I'm just saying especially.
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I've got a COVID brain, what do you want from me?
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This is gonna be my excuse maybe for the next two weeks
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or something, COVID brain, what do you want from me?
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Myke says this would be cool for flights,
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and I agree with that.
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So like I use Flighty, I love Flighty.
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- Oh, I love Flighty.
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- But Flighty sends so many notifications.
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- So many notifications.
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- So many, and I want them.
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- You can turn stuff off,
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but it's just a lot of notifications, right?
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And I would love one little live activity,
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just gives me the information I need it when I need it.
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- Right, 'cause like, hey Myke, it's at a different gate.
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Hey Myke, it's gonna be one minute late.
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- Did you know Jason, the flight plan has been filed?
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- Hey Myke, it's gonna be one minute late again.
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- I love the information.
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- They brought the flight plan.
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- It's just a lot of it.
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- Oh, the equipment changed,
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it's a slightly different flight,
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I've updated the flight number.
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Like, okay, you know, again, Flighty is amazing.
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It really is amazing.
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I love it a lot.
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It's so friggin good.
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But that's a great example that is not sports related of I just want the live information
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about my flight, not 80 notifications about what's going on with my flight.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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The Lux screen.
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That could be a good one.
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Actually, you know, we were saying, you were saying about like with the Lux screen stuff,
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you know, oh, this is building on from work a couple of years ago.
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But something that has received year over year work is focus modes.
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the lock screen stuff has been tied in together.
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So in a way that different focus modes can set different home screens,
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it can also set different lock screens, which is great.
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And there were two features that we got.
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One was my dream feature for focus modes, which is a vastly streamlined
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setup process, which now gives you the option of everything opt in or
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everything opt out, like just from the beginning.
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So at the moment with focus modes, you have to say everything that you want to
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to be added into that focus mode, right?
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But now with focus modes, you can say,
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hey, just remove these five apps from this focus mode.
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So I think that's fantastic.
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And also there's a thing called focus filters.
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So if you're in a focus mode inside of applications,
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it can give you different info.
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So it showed like, for example, in messages,
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if you're in a work focus,
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you won't see any personal messages,
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you just see your work related messages.
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I don't know exactly how you tell messages,
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what the work related messages are,
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but I'm sure there's a way.
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But the best thing about this,
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and this is what I was hoping for,
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but I didn't think I would get this soon,
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is some APIs for focus modes.
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So developers can build these focus filters
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into their applications.
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So for example, let's imagine Slack,
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like Slack would add anything,
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but let's imagine Slack, you know,
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you could say like when I'm in this focus mode,
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I only see this Slack, you know what I mean?
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So I think that this is awesome.
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Or email, right?
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Like if I'm in work focus, I see my work email,
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If I'm in personal focus, I see my personal email.
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Stuff like that, man, I'm so excited
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for these things to be added.
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These are excellent, excellent additions
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to a already pretty good system.
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And I'm very, I mean, I haven't spoken to Gray yet,
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but I can't wait to talk to Gray
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and see what he thinks about this.
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I'm pretty sure he's gonna be pretty jazzed.
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- Yeah, it's good to see, you know,
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we've said it so many times, but it is not,
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The most dispiriting thing about being excited
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about a new OS feature is when you get excited
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but see all the places it should go
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and then a year or two pass and there's no changes.
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You're like, well, wait a second, do they think it's done?
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'Cause it was clear on day one that it needed to,
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this was a good first try and there needed to be more.
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And so for something like focus mode, it's actually,
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and I wonder if some of that is either that it got traction
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or that it's part of a bigger picture thing,
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which I think if you look at the lock screen,
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That may be what's really going on here
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is this is part of a larger idea
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where focus mode and customization and theming
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and all of these things kind of can go together
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in different ways where you're basically
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setting different states of your device.
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- I know for many years you have wanted
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shared photo libraries.
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- You know, there are these things
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that we stopped talking about
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because they're never gonna happen.
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- There's a bunch of things in this keynote
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that I was like,
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we stopped talking about this a long time ago.
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- They settled a lot of family business today.
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Yeah, they did.
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- When we talk about here are the things we didn't pick.
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Like they're always in the list because we're like,
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well, we picked these 20 times before.
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So this is where we get iCloud shared photo library.
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And I talked to the photos team like five years ago
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and said, "You know, families take pictures."
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Like my wife has got her account and I've got my account
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and we take pictures.
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And we have to like every year have the ceremonial merging
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of the importing of the photos from one person to the other.
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And then with the kids it's like,
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do you wanna share some photos or not?
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And they said, "We understand the issues.
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"The problem is how you solve it, how you implement it."
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And I always felt like that was right.
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It is complicated.
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It's not as easy as just saying you turn it on
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and everybody, every photo you take is shared
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among your family, right?
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'Cause you don't want that.
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But so much time passed where they didn't address this
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and it seems like such a fundamental issue.
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So, you know, I laughed when the problem
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was described on stage.
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I think that was Craig.
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And he was like, you know, sometimes different people
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in a family take photos and they wanna share them.
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I'm like, yes, Craig, yes, we know.
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- Did you know about this?
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- Did you know that this is the case?
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So it was one of those,
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it actually felt very infomercial like to me,
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it's like, you know, sometimes I just can't cut this tomato
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and it really bothers me, I need help.
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It's like, here's a sharp knife.
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Hey, thanks, that'll, right?
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It's like, yes, we know the problem, what is your solution?
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And the answer was iCloud shared photo library.
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It's like a, it's another photo library
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aside your user photo library.
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and you can put things into it.
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And what I like about it is it does address
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all of those issues, which is you can choose
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when to start from.
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So you can say like, before this date,
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where I didn't know we were doing this,
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I'm not gonna share those photos.
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You can choose what you share.
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It's got some intelligent things like saying,
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when I'm in the vicinity of the other people in my family,
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those events will be shared.
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You can do it that way.
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You can add things to the library easily.
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You can set them when you're taking the pictures.
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You can set the status to whether it's shared or not.
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Just a whole bunch of different ways to do it.
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And I'm sure that there will be,
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like it's complicated.
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I'm sure there'll be some story at some point,
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which is like some teenager took a selfie,
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like a nude selfie and it went in the family photo library
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and oh boy, they got in trouble, right?
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That's gonna happen.
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But the fact is, just the fundamental of parents,
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couples who want to, who share their photo library,
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except they are incapable of it, and being able to do it.
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This is a great feature, I wish it had come five years ago.
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I'm happy that they've done it,
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and that they have taken care in doing it,
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because I think just a blanket sharing is not good enough.
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Or even a, when your face shows up.
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That's one feature, but I think for some companies,
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that's the solution is if we detect the photos of people,
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we share that photo and it's like,
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it needs to be more than that.
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There needs to be more user control
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and there needs to be more intelligence to it.
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So I'm looking forward to checking this feature out,
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but I'm even more than that looking forward
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to no longer having the ceremonial emerging
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of the photo libraries when we're making our calendars
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at the end of the year.
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- Messages got a bunch of stuff
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And the first three features they said were like the most requested three features and every single one of them I cheered
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Editing of messages. Sure. Amazing
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Retracting of messages. Mm-hmm. Also amazing
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Markers on red. Come on. Come on Craig. You're spoiling us
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I have wanted a markers on red feature for a long time
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Friends of the show Matt Bischoff wrote a great article about like a blog post about this once that it's been in my notes to
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to talk about on the show for a while,
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but I never got to it because honestly,
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I didn't think there was going to be any speed needed.
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- And there's the cultural issue, right,
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of like if you're using read receipts or read receipts,
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however that's pronounced, we debated that.
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If you're using that feature and something is marked as read
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sometimes you haven't read it
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and you want to mark it as unread again.
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I don't know, does it mark it as unread on the other end too?
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- But I kinda don't care at the same time.
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This is for me, right?
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- This is like a email message, right?
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It's the same thing.
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It's like, no, I need to read this later.
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I haven't read it now.
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Don't mark, don't put the little dot next to it.
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Or don't take the dot away, put the dot back,
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and so you can put the dot back.
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- Well, sometimes I accidentally open a message
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when I just, you know, and I just wanted to say,
00:41:42
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what is it, it's not 3D Touch, whatever it's called now,
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Peek and Pop, I don't even remember what the name of it is.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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- But I do that to messages,
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and sometimes I accidentally then open the message,
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and I wanna deal with it later on.
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Yeah, I think this is just like a little thing,
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but just awesome.
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Also a great feature, I think,
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'cause I was talking about this a bunch
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on connected recently, we were talking about SharePlay.
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'Cause I was convinced nobody was using SharePlay.
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- Oh, yeah, yeah. - And I asked connected
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listeners to write in and tell me
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what they use SharePlay for.
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And I got loads of people writing in.
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But the big thing that I was saying is like,
00:42:11
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so much of this stuff sounds great,
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but I don't wanna have to be on a FaceTime call
00:42:15
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with someone constantly.
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So they added SharePlay to messages.
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- To messages. - Yes.
00:42:20
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- Genius, this should have been in the first version.
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- Because maybe what we wanna do is watch a movie
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with a friend and have a little text chat going on.
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But I don't need to have voice or video,
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I just have a little text chat.
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- I just don't need it.
00:42:33
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So this is superb.
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Like this, for me, now I'm like,
00:42:37
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"Hmm, I actually might use this feature now."
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Because like, this is what I wanted.
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Like, if me and Jason wanted to watch a movie together,
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like say we do a mic at the movies, right?
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Like wouldn't it be fun if we watched it together?
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"Yes, but does Jason need to see me for two hours
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"while I'm watching the movie?"
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He doesn't need to do that. - Definitely not.
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- That's not necessary.
00:42:54
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Definitely not, right?
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He's looking at me right now.
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It's a sorry state, you know?
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- This is unnecessary.
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- He doesn't want this,
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but he's got a video of me right now.
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We hadn't mentioned this.
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I can see Jason and he can see me.
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My view is that's exciting.
00:43:06
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- You've got some art,
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some hotel room art on the wall behind you.
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Looks kind of like a coronavirus, gotta be honest.
00:43:12
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- I mean, this is how they know.
00:43:13
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This is the mark on the wall that they put in.
00:43:15
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- Oh, I see.
00:43:16
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in there once you once you test positive. I'm wearing a dongle town t-shirt though so you know.
00:43:20
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That's good. I like it you're flying the flag it's it's good. You know what we didn't get is uh
00:43:26
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improvements to tap backs. No I was hoping it was going to be one of those things that people were
00:43:30
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like hey it's in there but I haven't seen anybody talk about that. I wanted it. I'm glad they're
00:43:35
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paying attention to messages I really am I just wanted there to be more uh tap back options.
00:43:40
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Collaboration on documents in messages. I don't understand this feature yet like I feel like this
00:43:46
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this is one of those things where I need to kind of
00:43:48
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understand what this means, you know, that like--
00:43:49
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- I don't know if anybody's gonna use this feature or not,
00:43:51
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but it's an interesting idea.
00:43:52
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The idea is that if you are collaborating using any of the
00:43:55
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kind of ways you can do document collaboration,
00:43:58
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like in Pages or Keynote or places like that, right?
00:44:02
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And that's all, you've already got that concept in iCloud.
00:44:05
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What this basically does is say you can tie a messages thread
00:44:13
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to the participants in the document collaboration.
00:44:16
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So it's kind of, think of it as this is the Google Docs chat.
00:44:20
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I think it's kind of like that.
00:44:22
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It's a way for you to tie two different parts of Apple's
00:44:26
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kind of communication infrastructure into one
00:44:29
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or tie them together is how I read that.
00:44:33
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- I did like the demo when everyone was on FaceTime
00:44:36
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and they were like, they're moving from app to app.
00:44:39
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I thought that was kind of cool.
00:44:41
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I don't really work with people like that anymore, but I know people do.
00:44:46
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And maybe occasionally I would, you know?
00:44:49
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I just thought it was a nice demo.
00:44:52
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You know, like, "Hey, we're on the pages.
00:44:54
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Oh, now we're going to go to the website and here's some more tabs."
00:44:57
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It was a nice demo, right?
00:44:59
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But this is one of those things that unless a lot of third-party developers add it, Google,
00:45:06
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Microsoft, right?
00:45:07
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if they don't add this feature,
00:45:09
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it's gonna be hard to get everyone on board, right?
00:45:12
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This is awesome if all of your work is done in Apple apps.
00:45:15
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But like-- - Yeah, it feels like
00:45:16
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an iWork feature.
00:45:18
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- And my question genuinely is,
00:45:20
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I don't even think Apple will work this way, right?
00:45:24
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Does the corporate Apple communication
00:45:26
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happen inside of messages?
00:45:27
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I actually doubt it, you know? - I don't know, yeah.
00:45:30
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- So this is one of those ideal world kind of situations,
00:45:34
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but in an ideal world, it looks great.
00:45:37
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Wallet got a bunch of time and actually it was kind of cool.
00:45:41
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Again, I'm expecting a lot of this is probably US only
00:45:43
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for now, but we'll find out.
00:45:45
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They showed up a bunch of new partners
00:45:47
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for the tap to pay feature and that's coming soon.
00:45:49
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Apple pay later was introduced.
00:45:52
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I was not expecting this to happen at WWDC really,
00:45:55
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but it seems like they've done a great job of it, right?
00:45:57
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Like developers, merchants do nothing.
00:45:58
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You pay four payments and it looks like Apple just handles
00:46:02
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the whole shebang like, and wherever you pay for something,
00:46:05
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you could do this.
00:46:06
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I thought to myself, I would use this.
00:46:09
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Like why not?
00:46:10
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I would use this feature.
00:46:12
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I would split some payment purchases over four months.
00:46:16
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Let's just go for it.
00:46:17
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- It's not over four months though.
00:46:17
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It's over six weeks.
00:46:19
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That's the thing is it's not four payments over four months.
00:46:21
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It's four payments over six weeks.
00:46:23
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- But still, that's the best part of two months, right?
00:46:25
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At least two paydays for a lot of people.
00:46:27
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It seems like one of those features
00:46:30
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where there is no downside to me
00:46:32
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as long as I know I can afford it, right?
00:46:35
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because that can be the problem with some of these features.
00:46:37
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And this is another one like Apple Card.
00:46:40
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I am intrigued to see how does Apple handle
00:46:43
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the I'm not gonna pay you part, right?
00:46:44
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Like that's gonna be really intriguing
00:46:46
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because this is Apple again,
00:46:48
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and more than Apple Card it seems,
00:46:50
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getting into this world, right?
00:46:52
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Like this is from everything we've heard
00:46:54
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of the acquisitions and all that kind of stuff.
00:46:56
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This seems to be much more Apple doing this
00:47:00
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than Goldman Sachs or whatever, right?
00:47:02
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So I'm intrigued to see how this goes.
00:47:04
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Apple Pay order tracking, that's cool.
00:47:07
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You know, why not?
00:47:10
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- Yeah, there's like an API.
00:47:13
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I guess they said they're gonna tie it to Shopify,
00:47:15
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but it's the idea that if you buy something using Apple Pay,
00:47:18
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you can look up the order information using, you know,
00:47:23
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by setting up something with an API to do that,
00:47:26
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which is interesting.
00:47:27
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They want everything to,
00:47:28
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they wanna bring everything into the wallet there.
00:47:31
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- There's sharing of keys.
00:47:33
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So like house keys, hotel keys, like the digital versions.
00:47:36
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That was cool.
00:47:37
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And I like the ID verification thing.
00:47:39
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So where the ID card thing is supported,
00:47:43
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you could use ID verification inside of apps
00:47:45
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without needing to give a bunch of information.
00:47:47
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So like if you were buying alcohol,
00:47:49
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you could verify your identification with face ID
00:47:54
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and it would just tell the app, yeah, you're old enough.
00:47:56
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I thought it was nice.
00:47:57
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- Yeah, I think some of that is a messaging thing
00:48:01
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that they wanna be clear about.
00:48:02
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'Cause when Apple announced this, because they said,
00:48:05
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you know, it's in two states.
00:48:06
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It's like Maryland and Arizona now are using this,
00:48:09
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but that a bunch more are coming, 11 more are coming.
00:48:15
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And everybody's like, "You should never,
00:48:17
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you know, share your phone with the cops or whatever."
00:48:21
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And it's like, that's not how this works.
00:48:23
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It's an NFC transaction.
00:48:26
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So you're tapping and presenting them with information.
00:48:28
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And the information itself is privacy protected.
00:48:31
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it's only giving the information that is required in the context.
00:48:34
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So when they mention it here,
00:48:36
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this is them sort of trying to educate people about the idea
00:48:39
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that when you're asked for your ID,
00:48:42
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when you're buying alcohol,
00:48:43
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your digital ID isn't going to give them information about you,
00:48:46
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including even your birth date.
00:48:48
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All it will do is say, "Yes, I can verify this person
00:48:52
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is over the age that you're asking about."
00:48:54
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That's it. -Mm-hmm.
00:48:55
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Which is good. I think that's great.
00:48:58
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Like, you know, we've all done this more these days,
00:49:01
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right, verification for things using apps and stuff like that.
00:49:06
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You know, like this place that I'm staying in right now,
00:49:09
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I had to do like a face scan verification, upload my possible image to them
00:49:14
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and all that kind of stuff, because there's no like check in desk.
00:49:17
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It's like a service department complex.
00:49:20
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So like there was nobody to check my ID or whatever or like,
00:49:23
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you know, bank applications, things like that.
00:49:26
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Wouldn't it be way better if I never need to give anybody that information now
00:49:30
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and just my iPhone can just be like,
00:49:32
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yep, he's good, you know, I think that's awesome.
00:49:36
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The Home app, oh man, was I happy.
00:49:40
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Full redesign of the Home app.
00:49:41
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It's like they listened to everything I had to say
00:49:45
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about what I think is wrong with the Home app.
00:49:47
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- Last week we said you gotta redo the Home app
00:49:50
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and they said okay, well, we'll work on that
00:49:52
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in the next week and we'll get something
00:49:54
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cooked right away. - Yeah, it's incredible
00:49:55
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how fast they work, you know what I'm saying?
00:49:57
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- Very impressive, they burned the midnight oil there
00:50:00
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to do the, yes, full redesign.
00:50:03
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- One page for all the devices and rooms.
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That's the big thing I wanted.
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Get rid of the idea of a page for every room.
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Just show me everything with filters
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that they had at the top.
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So you can tap a button for lights and I'm like,
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ah, that's great, super good, I can't wait for this.
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And they spent a lot of time on Matter, right?
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- They did, they did.
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That's for those of us who are not avidly following
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the Matter Alliance.
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They explained what the Matter Alliance was
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and why it matters.
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Second WWDC in a row where they've had to explain the matter alliance. Jason,
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little prediction now.
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Will we get to a third WWDC where apple has to explain the matter alliance about
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it having launched? Yes or no? No, no.
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You think it's going to come before?
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I think we've had the year delay on matter and now it'll actually show up.
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I hope you're right.
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Can you undo your Christmas tree? You're going to get a matter under your
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Christmas tree. Congratulations. It's a matter.
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Before we move on, cause we've got a lot to cover.
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We're still not going to get to everything. There was, you know,
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You get two little things that I've been seeing people tweet about.
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iOS 16 adds landscape face ID to iPhone.
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So that's coming to some iPhone models.
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So you'll be able to get-- iPhone 12 and 13 is limited, too.
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So you won't have to have the same orientation anymore.
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I think that's really good.
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And then also there's haptic vibration, or tap-ticks,
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has been added to the keyboard on iOS.
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- Interesting.
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- So as you type, it goes like,
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(mimics typing)
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A lot of Android phones have done this
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and I actually find it quite satisfying.
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And I'm pretty excited to see what it feels like
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with Apple's great Taptic Engine, you know?
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- Yeah, yeah, we'll see.
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Oh baby, iPadOS.
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- Here we go.
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- Oh baby. - Here we go.
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- They left it lost and I was like,
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are they gonna do it though?
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Are they actually gonna do it?
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- I knew it and you know how I knew it?
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I knew it because they announced a feature for Mac OS
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called Stage Manager.
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And I turned to Dan Morin who was sitting next to me
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and I said, that's the iPad feature.
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And sitting in front of me was Steven
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and Sparky, and they both turned around
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and looked at me and nodded, and we're all like,
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yeah, we know, we know, I see what you're doing there.
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- Steven turns to you and says, that's the iPad feature,
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and then David turns to Steven and says, that's the iPad,
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you know, it's like a little chain going on over there.
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- No, they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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we're getting what you're putting down,
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and because it just was like, this is interesting
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that they did this in Mac OS, and I think as a Mac user,
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watch out big column pitch idea coming down your way.
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I like to look for column ideas.
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The failure of full screen mode.
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I know some people like full screen mode on the Mac,
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but I think it's kind of a failure
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because so many of the great things about the Mac
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are about multi-layered windows.
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And so even when I use something like Logic
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where I'm almost always using it in full screen,
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I'm grabbing files from the desktop and stuff
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and you're in there and you're like,
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oh no, now I have to get out.
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- Grab the size thing, just shrink it down
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'cause when I just see something else for a minute,
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like so for example,
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when I'm putting in the chapters for this show,
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I kind of just shrink the logic window a bit
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and move the Safari window over so I can see Google Docs,
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so I can just make sure I got the chapters.
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It's just that flexibility, right?
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- Right, and full screen mode is this very strict thing,
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which is like, no, it's one window and that's it.
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And so they do stage manager and I'm thinking, okay,
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this is, not only do I think this is gonna be
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an iPad feature, but I also think that this is Apple saying,
00:55:21
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full screen mode's not quite right.
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And the fact that they did the demo and they said,
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ah, but what about your desktop?
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Well, click out on the desktop and then you go away
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and you just drag it in and drag it over.
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And I'm like, okay, this is trying to find a better way
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to do something that's full, it's full screen-ish,
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but it's also, if you want it to be,
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it's multi windows in a set together.
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- Yeah, it's more like focused than full screen, right?
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But like full screen was supposed to be,
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hey, you're focused on one thing, but like, no.
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- Or like spaces, except it's in one space.
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- And you can feel the different things.
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- It's like if you took full screen mode
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and iPad multitasking and spaces and mission control
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and put them all together,
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stage manager pops out, right?
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- And stage manager is a brand new thing and it's weird
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and I'm not entirely, this is one of those features, Myke,
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where I look at it and I think,
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I bet it doesn't look like this in September.
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I bet they make changes based on feedback.
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Like Safari last year where it's gonna be like,
00:56:21
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some of this stuff is like, why does it look like that?
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It looks a little weird. - What I'm gonna say,
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the way that those apps look on the side, I was like,
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from the people who gave you CoverFlow and desktop stacks,
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here comes Stage Manager.
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There's something about it where it's like, it looks old.
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- And in Superman 2, right, or Superman,
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where they put the criminals in the Phantom Zone
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and it's like a two-dimensional thing.
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It's like that, your windows are trapped
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in the Phantom Zone on the side of the screen
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until you bring them back.
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Anyway, so they do stage manager and I'm like,
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well, this is an intriguing Mac thing.
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- James Thompson in the Discord,
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you can turn off the side windows.
00:56:58
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- Oh, you can turn off the side windows, interesting.
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- I don't know what's left,
00:57:03
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but maybe it's just like, I don't know, icons or something?
00:57:06
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- I don't know, yeah, well, we'll see.
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'Cause we haven't used any of this stuff yet, of course.
00:57:11
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Anyway, the other big story though is stage managers like,
00:57:14
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"Oh, this is also the solution to the iPad, isn't it?"
00:57:16
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And it is, and it's more than I thought, Myke.
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It's more than I thought, because it's not just
00:57:22
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multi-windowing mode or tiling or something like that.
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It's because Windows can have buddies in things.
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You can say, "I want these two things together."
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And it kind of, it doesn't quite tile them
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'cause it's like overlapping, but also kind of tiled.
00:57:43
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It's really interesting.
00:57:44
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And I don't know whether it's gonna be great
00:57:45
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or maddening in practice,
00:57:47
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but the idea is that you can have floating windows
00:57:50
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and you can resize them on iOS
00:57:53
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and you can have multiple windows from the same app
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or from different apps and they all live together
00:57:58
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- It looks great, man. - Up to four at a time.
00:58:00
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- It looks so good. - And you can switch
00:58:01
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between the different sets.
00:58:03
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And if you're gonna do that,
00:58:04
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we have to say the other part of it,
00:58:06
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which is if you're gonna do that,
00:58:07
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well guess what, you can plug in your display
00:58:09
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and do it on a big external display
00:58:11
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and have four apps or four windows on that display
00:58:14
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and four different ones on your iPad screen
00:58:17
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and it all still works.
00:58:18
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And that is-- - It is a thing.
00:58:19
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They went the whole way. - More than I ever expected.
00:58:21
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- They went the whole way.
00:58:23
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And I can't believe that they was like,
00:58:25
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for so many years, right,
00:58:27
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we're going back like five years or something.
00:58:30
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Oh no, no, no, two.
00:58:32
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And it may be a little one on the side.
00:58:33
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Let's not get mad about this.
00:58:36
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And then all of a sudden they're like,
00:58:38
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"Hey, what about freely resizing, overlapping app pairs?
00:58:42
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You can hook up to external display.
00:58:44
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Hey, do you want scaling?
00:58:46
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We can make your whole iPad screen smaller if you want?"
00:58:50
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Like, yeah, I'll have all of it.
00:58:51
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- We heard you like Windows,
00:58:52
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so we got you a lot of Windows.
00:58:54
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- It's wild.
00:58:55
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I can't wait to play with this.
00:58:57
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- And the thing that I think is the key
00:59:00
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for probably people at Apple and for iPad users
00:59:03
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to get over the hump is,
00:59:04
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it's a feature you turn on in Control Center,
00:59:07
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so if you don't wanna see it, you never have to see it.
00:59:11
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Which is good, because you need the iPad
00:59:13
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to have a fundamentally usable single window mode.
00:59:17
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- It's Mark Gurman's pro mode, right?
00:59:19
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- It is pro mode.
00:59:21
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- Because you can still use all the other stuff.
00:59:23
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It's all still there.
00:59:24
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They didn't get rid of anything.
00:59:25
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Nothing's been replaced, but you can now go into this extra special mode, right?
00:59:31
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Like, and I'm like, yeah, this is fantastic.
00:59:33
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Uh, I can't wait to play with it.
00:59:34
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Um, I have an iPad air now because I don't have an M one iPad.
00:59:40
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And this is an M one feature.
00:59:41
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There's a best buy not too far.
00:59:43
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Um, my wonderful wife, Adina, I would say is just taking the most care of me.
00:59:48
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She went out today and she got me an iPad.
00:59:49
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So that's going to be what I'm going to do for the next couple of days.
00:59:53
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Cause I ain't got nothing else to do, Jason.
00:59:55
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Just sitting here in this friggin' hotel room.
00:59:57
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So I'm gonna-- - Do you have a keyboard
00:59:58
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for it? (laughs)
00:59:59
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- I actually, I brought my 11-inch iPad Pro
01:00:04
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because I was thinking, oh, I expect
01:00:06
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they're gonna do something.
01:00:07
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What I didn't think about was like my 2018 iPad Pro.
01:00:11
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That's not good, that's not good enough beef.
01:00:14
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You know, so at least I got the Magic Keyboard.
01:00:17
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So got that. - That's good.
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- 'Cause I can just switch those over.
01:00:21
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And I'll be playing around with it.
01:00:24
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You're gonna be power sliding through windows and apps.
01:00:27
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Okay, so here's a thing that I feel like
01:00:29
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I don't have a grasp of yet.
01:00:32
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And I think it might be for a reason.
01:00:34
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This thing called desktop class.
01:00:36
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- Desktop class, yeah.
01:00:37
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- It seems like what they did was like,
01:00:39
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this feels to me very much like a pro workflow group exercise.
01:00:44
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- I don't even think it's pro workflow group.
01:00:47
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So here's what I think, and I don't know this for sure,
01:00:49
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but what it sounds like to me is somebody went
01:00:53
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to all of the app groups at Apple and said,
01:00:57
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do us a favor, think about your app in an iPad context
01:01:03
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and think about your app in a Mac context.
01:01:05
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Are there things that you're withholding on the iPad?
01:01:09
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And if there are, consider whether that makes sense, right?
01:01:16
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'Cause it wasn't a edict that all features on the Mac
01:01:21
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had to be on the iPad.
01:01:22
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And the iPad apps, the problem is that iPad apps
01:01:25
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were originally iPhone apps.
01:01:27
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And so they made lots of decisions to simplify them
01:01:29
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because a little phone is not the best place
01:01:32
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for implementing every single little fiddly feature
01:01:36
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of a Mac, right?
01:01:38
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But the iPad is different.
01:01:44
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And yet, and I know I've experienced this before
01:01:47
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with things like numbers or Keynote,
01:01:50
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where you say, oh, they use the same file format
01:01:54
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and they sync over iCloud,
01:01:55
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but there's this one thing that I can't do on the iPad.
01:01:59
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I can only do this one sometimes esoteric feature
01:02:03
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on the Mac 'cause it's just not there.
01:02:06
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And there's no, and why?
01:02:08
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'Cause the iPad is perfectly capable.
01:02:10
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So it sounds to me like basically they went to everybody
01:02:13
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who has apps at Apple and said,
01:02:16
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could you think about this one
01:02:19
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and make a concerted effort to get your iPad app
01:02:22
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to have those features if they make sense on iPad.
01:02:24
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And I'm sure not all Mac features make sense on iPad,
01:02:28
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but it sounds to me like this was more about
01:02:30
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an effort to get everybody to try and make the iPad apps
01:02:36
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feel more capable like their Mac equivalents
01:02:40
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after the natural evolutionary process
01:02:44
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led them to not quite be all the way there.
01:02:47
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So they did a big scrolling list.
01:02:50
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It seems kind of scattershot,
01:02:52
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but that seems to be what it really was.
01:02:54
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It's more like, hey everybody,
01:02:56
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think about this one for this release.
01:02:58
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This is one of the things we'd like you to do
01:02:59
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for this next app release, next OS release,
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is get your app's iPad versions
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to have as much functionality that's similar to the Mac
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as makes sense, right?
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It's not forced, but that makes sense for the iPad.
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And we'll see what that means in practice.
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- Yeah, yeah, it's just that I need to,
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it felt like there's a lot of stuff, right?
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Little bits and bobs, I'm intrigued
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to what that feels like. - Yeah, I think it's,
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I think it's literally, they built this thing for iOS
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and eventually it became an iPad app
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and they had like, there were features that they were like,
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well, that's too complicated, so they left them off
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and they never put them back
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and they never really thought about it
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and they're like, oh yeah,
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we should probably put that in there too
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and so now it's in there.
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And it's not a conspiracy against the iPad or anything,
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It's literally just the way that the app evolved.
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It started from such a simpler place,
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and somebody in management at Apple said,
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"Why don't we --"
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Everybody's iPad app should be a little bit more powerful.
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If they are wanting compared to the Mac version,
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you should think about whether there's a good reason
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for that or not, and if there isn't,
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maybe put those features on the iPad.
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-There's a weather app.
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Big in news. WeatherKit.
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So this isn't necessarily an iPad thing,
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but Apple have announced they are making a weather API,
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they're charging for it, which makes sense.
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But it seems like I think I saw underscore tweet about this.
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- David Smith says it's half the price
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of what he was paying Dark Sky.
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- Yeah, so I mean, and I saw Brian Miller of Carrotweather
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say that he uses more than 20 million calls a month,
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which is blah, but so, and that's what the pricing
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seems to max out at right now,
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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple will have a conversation
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with you, right?
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And they already know who those people are, maybe.
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But yeah, they're making a weather kit API,
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and I'm really happy about this because I was worried
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Dark Sky was gonna go away,
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and Dark Sky is my preferred data source for weather.
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- We talked about it two years ago,
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when Apple bought Dark Sky,
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and the possibility that they would do it as a system API,
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that any weather app,
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'cause like David Smith is a great example, right?
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David makes widgets.
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He doesn't even make a weather app.
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He makes widgets with weather information on them.
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- Well, he kinda built a weather app inside of WidgetSmith,
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but that's just Dave for you.
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- He did, 'cause that's just--
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- That's what he does.
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- But my point is, if you're a developer
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and you're like, oh, I've got this app that's really great,
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and whether it's a weather app or it's a utility app
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that has weather information in it, it's like, oh, oh.
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but now I have to do a subscription fee
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and I have to do all this stuff
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and I have to negotiate this with that.
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And I was like, well, wouldn't it be nice if,
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since Apple bought Dark Sky, they just made that an API.
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And even if they charge, which they do,
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and it sounds like it's a reasonable fee,
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but even if they charge for it,
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it means all you have to do is call the weather API
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and you don't have to go through all that trouble.
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And that's what Apple should be doing on its platform.
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It's easy for you to get weather information
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and put it in your app on Apple's platforms now
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because of this, assuming that that's what it is.
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but like just saying that's Apple's sort of pitch here.
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I think that makes so much sense.
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So that was great to see.
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That was, that's very cool.
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And yeah, weather app on iPad for the first time,
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which is nice.
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Still no calculator app.
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James Thompson's very happy about that.
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- I bet he is.
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- And still no health app, which is frustrating too.
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- Oh, something we talked about.
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The Move Ring coming to the iPhone.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, that was a--
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- That's an interesting-- - That's the most
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little thing for people. - That's smart, right?
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When they showed it, I was like,
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"Oh, they're gonna bring them all?
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"Maybe I don't have to wear an Apple Watch anymore."
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But no, just the move ring.
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And I was like, that--
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- But they can use their sensors for that.
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- But I thought, what a clever way
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to get people into the Apple Watch, right?
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- Roll teaser, yeah.
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- Very smart, I like that they're doing that.
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- One of several announcements that was very clearly for
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in an update later this year.
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- Later this year, yeah.
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- Not even in the .0, it's not even gonna happen then.
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- Yeah, we'll see what this is.
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This is almost like another iWork app kind of.
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- Kind of feels like it, yeah.
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It's like what is like an infinite canvas,
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collaborative editor, - Collaborative, yeah.
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- Multimedia, like there are apps like this, right?
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Like I've used a bunch.
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- And it's cool, like I'm intrigued
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to see what the Apple version of this kind of thing is.
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- Right, and I guess that's the question is,
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is this an app really,
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or is it a feature that ties into other apps?
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- We'll wait and see.
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It looks like it pulls a lot of Apple technology together.
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- Well, right, it's used Apple Pencil stuff.
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- SharePlay.
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- Drawing and yeah, exactly.
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- Et cetera, et cetera.
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- Interesting idea.
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Alright, do you want to talk about the Mac or Mac OS first?
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What do you want to do?
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Mmm, let's talk about Mac OS first.
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Let's stick with the OS's, how about that?
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Mac OS Ventura.
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What a great name.
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Yeah, Ventura is funny.
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I actually did, when I was looking around to come up with things for us to pick, I didn't
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and even put it on our list 'cause I thought,
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ah, you know, Apple's not gonna pick that.
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Ventura is not a very interesting place.
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Again, apologies to people from Ventura,
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but Ventura and Ventura County are--
01:10:36
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- Jason Snell, known hater of Ventura, California.
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- I just, it just never seemed like that,
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like that impressive a place to me.
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They'd be like, ah, the jewel of California, Ventura.
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It is a good name.
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And so I should have thought about that.
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Like maybe it doesn't matter that they are,
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There, it's not necessarily Big Sur or Monterey
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in terms of its majestic beauty.
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It is a good name for a product.
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So there it is, Ventura.
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- So obviously the Mac, like iPad as well,
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benefits from a lot of features.
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The iOS, Mac, and you know.
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It's kind of interesting when they choose
01:11:13
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to talk about features, right?
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We're gonna talk about mailing them.
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Apple hadn't spoken about the Mail app
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getting a bunch of new features
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until we got to this part, but it was like,
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oh, and it also was on those other platforms.
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but some stuff that was specific to the Mac.
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There's some continuity features.
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One is FaceTime handoff, which is great.
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So maybe you're on a FaceTime call, sit down on the Mac,
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you can switch over to your Mac's camera.
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I made the joke to my wife of like,
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"Why would you wanna do that?"
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You go from, and like you can notice when people get home
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because they switched to the bad webcam.
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It's like, "Oh, you're on the Mac now, huh?"
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And so now Apple has introduced a, I think good,
01:11:51
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but baffling feature just from like a strategy perspective
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called continuity camera.
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- Okay, before we get there,
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I wanna give you my conspiracy theory.
01:12:01
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- Oh, I love it, give me 'em.
01:12:02
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You know I love conspiracy theories.
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- About FaceTime continuity.
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So like FaceTime continuity,
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my mom sometimes picks up her FaceTime call from me
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on her phone and then she can't get it to her iPad
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and I like the idea of potentially being able
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to sort of throw your FaceTime to a different device.
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I like that.
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But here's the thing, if Apple does,
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as it has been rumored from time to time,
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either FaceTime on something that's like an Apple TV
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or FaceTime on a screen in a HomePod
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that lives in the kitchen.
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Those products may or may not end up existing,
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but those would be really good products
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to have FaceTime continuity.
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- Especially on a device. - So that you could get things
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on or off as you wanted. - Yes.
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- So you could like start a FaceTime call on your phone
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and then go throw it up onto the TV or whatever, right?
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So just saying, just a theory,
01:12:48
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But it struck me when that feature was announced that that has applicability beyond what we've currently seen from Apple and that's interesting
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So continuity camera is like some of these apps and services you've seen which have now all completely been Sherlock
01:13:04
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Which allows you to connect your iPhone?
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Wirelessly, I don't know if they have a wired option to wirelessly
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To your Mac to use its camera as your webcam and they have a bunch of interesting features
01:13:19
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They use some of the portrait stuff to do lighting they can do blurring but the deep blew my mind
01:13:25
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The desk view feature. Yeah where they use in the ultra wide
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it uses the ultra wide and it crops out of that a picture of your face and
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Separately, it looks straight down and does a picture of your desktop
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like you've got an overhead camera.
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- I need to see this for myself,
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'cause I cannot understand the physics of this part.
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- And then, well, it's all, the wide screen,
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the wide angle camera really does,
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the ultra wide captures all sorts of things,
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but then you've gotta do a lot of modification to it
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in order to get it to look like it does,
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but it's pretty clever.
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I think, also, let's throw in there,
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they're working with Belkin on mounts,
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because as somebody who's used Camo for a couple of years,
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which is an app that does this,
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that has been Sherlock'd as of today.
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Camo, their writers did a whole blog about, like,
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"What mounts should I use with this?"
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And the whole blog is basically,
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"There are no good mounts for this.
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Here are some things we tried that are fine."
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And there aren't. There are not.
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I bought their selection. It's not very good.
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If you're Apple, you just go to Belkin and say,
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"Hey, we're gonna make this thing,
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so you need to come out with a line of things
01:14:32
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that can clip to various Macs holding various iPhones."
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and Belkin's gonna be like,
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can I sell those in the Apple store?
01:14:41
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And they're like, you know it.
01:14:42
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And they're like, all right, we're on it.
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It's just, you do the transaction,
01:14:45
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and it's like, well, that, but on one level,
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it's like, thank goodness,
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because now there will be good mounts for this.
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And then as for the Sherlocking,
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I would say it is a typical Sherlocking story
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where because Apple has the home field advantage,
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it's their platform, they are able to do some stuff
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that poor little third party apps can't do.
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So like Apple, 'cause having used Camo,
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like you set it up and then don't touch the touchscreen,
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don't touch the sleep button
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because then it's gonna not work right
01:15:12
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and 'cause it's facing away from you
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so you're not actually looking at the screen anymore
01:15:16
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and then you gotta get it in the right place
01:15:17
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and you gotta plug in the cable
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and you gotta do all these things.
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And Apple, at least in the demo,
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we'll see how it is in reality,
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but the demo is basically like,
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oh, you just put it there.
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It knows it doesn't matter if it's asleep or awake,
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it wakes itself up, it does it all wirelessly
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and it just works.
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I'm like, well, that's better.
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yes, that's why I want the platform owner
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to do this feature, because that's way better
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than what I was doing with Camo in order to use
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that beautiful, amazing iPhone camera.
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'Cause let's be honest, even with all of the crap
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that Apple's gotten about the choice
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of using the center stage camera in the studio display,
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right, even with that, Apple's webcams on the Mac
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are never, ever, ever, ever going to be as good
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as the back camera on an iPhone.
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'Cause even if, when they get better on the laptops,
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they are going to have got equally, if not more so,
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better on the iPhone over that same period of time.
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- iPhone camera is such an important part of the iPhone.
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And so even if, yeah, Apple's cameras are really good,
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like having the multiple cameras and having center stage
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and having all the, or having the blurred background modes
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and the different, three different cameras,
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and like there's so much going on there
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that a Mac webcam's never gonna beat.
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And certainly in the short term,
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no Mac webcam is ever gonna beat it.
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And so, yeah, if your webcam on your laptop
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is there to be okay, but if you're doing something
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where you want something really good, use your iPhone.
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That's why all those apps came out to do that,
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'cause it's a very clever idea.
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And Apple, in the best way, I think,
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of Sherlocking a feature, said,
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"You know what, you're right.
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"We should do that."
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And rather than like saying no, no, our webcams are fine.
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'Cause they actually made, we'll get to it in a minute,
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made a webcam quality claim today, right?
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So it's not like they're not making
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webcam quality claims still.
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But they know that your iPhone's always gonna be
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the best camera you have around, so why not use it
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if you care about quality to that degree.
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- There is just something so funny to me, right?
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Where it's like, obviously you wanna get a good image,
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so let's put this little thing over the top
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your webcam and it's your phone now instead because "Oh, webcams, no good enough."
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I mean, if you really care about this, don't use this, use our phone instead.
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They made, for Mac OS, Ventura, a big stink about games. And I raised my eyebrows, Jason,
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and I was like, "Oh, games, huh?" And what I will say is, so they've got a bunch of updates
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to metal, higher quality, also a silicon. It's a bunch of stuff that I don't understand.
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But they announced No Man's Sky is coming to the Mac.
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As an aside, they're like "oh yeah, No Man's Sky when it comes later" and I'm like "what
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And also Jason in the press release, also coming to iPad, which I cannot fathom how
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they're going to do that but I am intrigued. But also Resident Evil Village, which is a
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So No Man's Sky is a game that's constantly being upgraded,
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but it's a multi-year old game at this point.
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Resident Evil Village is a brand new game.
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It's been, I think, out within the last year or so.
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- Yeah, it came out late last year.
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You know, my friend, my friend Anthony Johnston
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wrote that game.
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- Did he? - He's the head writer
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on that, yeah.
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- That's so cool.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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So when the 11 foot tall vampire lady wins all these awards,
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it's always, he wrote her, so.
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- Oh, well come on. - It's the voice artist
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and him as the writer. - Anthony Johnston
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has created the dreams of many people
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over the last year or so. - Yeah, I know.
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I know, right?
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- Everyone in the game journalism world
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is in love with the big tall lady.
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Did you know, Jason?
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- Now Anthony can play it on his Mac,
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so that's gonna be great. - Soon,
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they're gonna put the big tall lady into VR.
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No, I mean, come on, everyone's gonna lose their minds.
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- That's right, they're gonna lose their necks
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'cause they're gonna be looking up so high.
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- Uh-huh, 'cause she's big and tall.
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Anyway. - 'Cause she's very tall.
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- If you don't know what we're talking about, Google it.
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- Anyway, games. - I mean, actually,
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- Don't Google it, probably.
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- Probably not.
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- Probably don't Google it.
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- Safe search on for that.
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- Anyway, one of the game directors from Capcom
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of Resident Evil Village came out
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and was speaking incredibly highly of the new Metal APIs.
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And so Jason, I'm intrigued.
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And what I'll say is like what they said,
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I don't remember who was presenting this part
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from Apple's side.
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They were saying like, Apple Silicon's really good,
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Melt's really good,
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and there's more Macs available than ever.
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And I was like, aha, right?
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Like, this sounds to me like this is what you're going
01:19:56
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and talking to Capcom about and saying these things, right?
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Like, look, we know that we've not been good for games
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in the past, but we are now,
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not only are our systems really powerful and can do,
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like they were saying, like up to 4K on the Mac studio,
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which is awesome, like 1080p on, which is fine,
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you know, for like gaming on a laptop or whatever,
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but they are going out and saying to people like,
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"Not only can our systems handle it,
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"we now have a larger install base than we've ever had,
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"so come back to us."
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- Also you can put this game on the iPad and the iPhone.
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- Yeah, yeah, and it will work.
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And you know, this also again feels to me like
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this is the beginning of what you need to do
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if you're getting ready to introduce a new system
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to the world which will heavily rely on game experiences
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as a way to sell it.
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- Yep, you think so?
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I wanna give you four features added to mail.
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Improved search.
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- Great, good, they could use it.
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- Undo. (laughs)
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Undo, undo send.
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- Yeah, I imagine that just works by
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not sending it for a little while.
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- Schedule send.
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- Good, yeah, that makes sense.
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- Follow up suggestions.
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- Oh, the other one was like reminders/snoozing.
01:21:18
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So they did it.
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They made mail modern.
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It only took them 10 years, but they did it.
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- Yeah, and it's the lightest touch possible,
01:21:25
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but there is some stuff there now.
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It's true and available on,
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even though they said this was a Mac feature,
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it's actually across. - It's on everything.
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- Are you getting it yet?
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It's on all the platforms.
01:21:36
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- Can we talk about the new MacBook Air now, please?
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'Cause you've seen it, right? - Let's do it, let's do it.
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- I have seen, I've held one in my hands.
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- Tell me all about it.
01:21:43
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Tell me all about it.
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M2 processor, so we're gonna have to talk about that.
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New MacBook Air, it's thin and light.
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It is compared to the existing MacBook Air.
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You pick it up and you're like, oh, this is light.
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And it's super thin.
01:21:59
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- How close is this to the MacBook
01:22:03
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in that thinking of thin and light?
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- Well, it's not because of the dimension of the screen.
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It's like a 13.6 inch screen. - I know it's physically
01:22:12
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larger, right?
01:22:14
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but like, is it got that kind of feel like,
01:22:16
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oh, this is incredibly thin?
01:22:18
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- I don't know, I think I would say
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it's thinner than the current MacBook Air
01:22:22
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and so it's going in the right direction there,
01:22:24
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but I wouldn't, you know, the impossibly thin
01:22:29
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and light feel of something like that 12 inch MacBook
01:22:32
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was also in part because it had so much less volume
01:22:35
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because it was not, you know,
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it didn't have that big screen.
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But it, I was, what impressed me about it,
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And I really, what I wanted to do was pick it up.
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Like that's what I wanted to do
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because I pick up an M1 MacBook Air all the time.
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And so I know how I'm expecting that to feel.
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And then I picked it up and I was like, oh yeah, yeah.
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It's lighter, it's thinner, it looks more modern,
01:23:01
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it's got MagSafe on it, it's got this sort of flattish sides.
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- It looks so good.
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Like they went with, I'm so happy they got rid of the taper.
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Taper's dead to me, I don't want taper no more.
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They don't need it, it's all thin now, okay?
01:23:16
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They don't need the wedge, it's all thin.
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And so that's all good, it's got the notch,
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which honestly it looks so, with the modern styling
01:23:27
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and the bezels that are so small,
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and so the display goes so far out to the edges,
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it looks really good, it's still got all the other things
01:23:35
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that sort of you expect in the MacBook Air,
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but it feels thinner and lighter.
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Here's my complaint, Myke.
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- No one will ever be able to explain this to me.
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- It comes in four, not colors.
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- This is absolutely unacceptable to me.
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- It comes in silver.
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- You're silver, you know silver.
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- I know silver, silver's my friend.
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- You know silver's been around a long time.
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- I love silver, you know?
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- It's got your space gray.
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- Kind of a new entry, space gray,
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kind of a middle-aged color.
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It's been around a little while.
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It's sort of just a dim silver,
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but it is a different color,
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and we were very excited to get the space gray.
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It's got Starlight.
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- Everyone's favorite.
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- Which is basically gold-y silver.
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It's silver with a yellow undertone
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instead of a blue undertone, essentially.
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And the fourth color that's not a color is midnight.
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- I don't, look, why, come on, right?
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- So it's the two old colors and the two new colors,
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which I'm fascinated,
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'cause I did not think we would get them together.
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I thought they would do one or they would do the other,
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and instead they did both,
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they did all four together, these two pairs.
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But here's my thing, okay, Starlight is the Goldie thing.
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I get that, I get that.
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Silver is a classic, I get that.
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Where I come down as being a little baffled
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is Space Gray versus Midnight,
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'cause first off, Midnight looks great.
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Midnight is what Space Gray should have been.
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- It's kind of like, it looks bluey.
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Is it kind of blue?
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- It's a, it's, oh yeah, a little,
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I mean, I wouldn't call it blue.
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I would call it blue, black, blue, black, black, blue.
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- Blue, black is an ink color, it's very, you know,
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we have blue, black, a lot of something.
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- It is really dark,
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and I think that's what it has going for it.
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I'm just really disappointed
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that they didn't do at least one somewhat fun color
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that feels like a color, but that didn't happen.
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So I was very surprised.
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I thought-- - You don't get it, man.
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- I didn't think we'd get Silver and Space Gray
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and Starlight and Midnight, but that's what we got.
01:25:47
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- What makes the iMac so special, you know?
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That's just what I don't understand.
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And look, I know people are gonna write in
01:25:53
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and they're gonna go, "Supply chain,"
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and it's difficult. - Yeah, but that's what
01:25:56
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I was gonna say is I think that part of it might be
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that this might not be the time to release a laptop
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with eight SKUs, and that may be true, but--
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- But that decision-- - Space Gray can go,
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just kick it out, just kick out Space Gray
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and put in a green there.
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- It's not like the last three months
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they were like, "Oh, we better change all those colors."
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Right? - Yeah.
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- This decision was made a long time ago
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and it's just disappointing to me
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'cause I wanted an orange laptop, you know?
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And I don't understand what's happened here.
01:26:26
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- I just, I could accept them saying,
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"We're not gonna do six different colors plus silver."
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I'm surprised that it's not even,
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there isn't even like one.
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- Yeah, they didn't do any colors.
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- That is like the pop one.
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It's like, oh, well, we got silver and starlight
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and midnight and green or yellow or whatever.
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And it's just not.
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That said, if I had to pick today, what do I want?
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Midnight, baby.
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I want that.
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- That's what I would go for.
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- It gave me the black MacBook vibes, right?
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It's like, I have been so disappointed
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with space gray as a color
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because if you're in a room without a silver Apple product
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and you look at the space gray, you think it's the silver.
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And then the silver walks in and you're like,
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"Oh, you're slightly darker than that."
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But it's just not.
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The midnight, there's no denying what it is.
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You're like, "Oh, yeah, okay."
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So I'll go for that, I guess.
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But I'm disappointed that there isn't at least one.
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Even if it wasn't the color I chose,
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even if it was product red or something,
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I wouldn't get a red laptop.
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I'm not gonna do that for reasons that we've discussed
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in the show, red things don't come into my house.
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If I can choose, they stay out, get out, red thing out.
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- What is it, take off that, something like that.
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- Take off that red shirt, take off that red shirt.
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That's right, so we're not gonna do that.
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But I would have been happy that there was a color in there.
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Maybe there's hope, Myke, maybe this is gonna be like
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where they come out with the iPhone and six months later,
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they're like, oh, now in green,
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Maybe we'll get like a purple MacBook Air
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for the holidays or something. - Let's pull back.
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Let's pull back.
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Let's pull back. - All right.
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- 'Cause we've kicked this thing into the ground now.
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- Yeah. - This looks like
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an excellent laptop.
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- It looks amazing.
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- Like I cannot wait to see one of these things.
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I'm very jealous of you.
01:28:16
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- And keep in mind, the M1 MacBook Air,
01:28:18
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as great a laptop as it was, because it had the M1,
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and when compared to the Intel MacBook Air,
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the difference was so great.
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It was the first wave of products put out for Apple Silicon
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and therefore it was just the Intel shell
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with the Intel stuff taken out
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and Apple Silicon stuff put in.
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So it was not designed for Apple Silicon, it just got it.
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This is designed for Apple Silicon.
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So this is designed knowing what the power envelope
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is gonna be and how well it can run without a fan
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'cause it's fanless, which, you know,
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the MacBook Pro that they announced today,
01:29:00
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'cause they did announce an update
01:29:01
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to the 13-inch MacBook Pro that's an M2, it's got a fan.
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So if you're doing sustained graphics,
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playing a game or something, then it makes a difference.
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But for the most part, you don't even need the fan.
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You just, with the MacBook Air,
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it's still gonna be very fast,
01:29:18
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and they got to design around knowing
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that they were on Apple Silicon this time,
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which is why it is thinner and lighter
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and can do all those things.
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And it is beautiful, right?
01:29:29
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Because it is, remember when Apple tried
01:29:31
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to kill the MacBook Air, right?
01:29:33
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Remember that?
01:29:34
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They came out with a MacBook
01:29:35
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and they didn't update the MacBook Air for a while.
01:29:37
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And finally, there was that event in Brooklyn
01:29:38
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where they said, "All is forgiven MacBook Air.
01:29:42
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"We fixed the keyboard, we brought it back.
01:29:44
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"It's great again."
01:29:45
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And that was such a great moment
01:29:46
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'cause it felt like people wouldn't let the MacBook Air die.
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Like Apple wanted to sell them a MacBook Pro
01:29:52
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or a MacBook and everybody just kept buying
01:29:54
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that non-retina MacBook Air and they're like,
01:29:57
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right, they changed the retina before they fixed the keyboard
01:30:00
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but it was just a moment of like, oh, the people spoke
01:30:04
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and the people said, we're not buying your other laptops,
01:30:06
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we're buying the MacBook Air.
01:30:07
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We've come a long way and this one is,
01:30:11
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it feels like a MacBook Air even though it doesn't have
01:30:15
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some of the qualities of it, it's not just playing the hits,
01:30:17
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it is a new product, it's got those round feet on the bottom
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like the MacBook Pro has.
01:30:22
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- I love that, I love the way that looks.
01:30:25
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I'm really happy they brought that part of the design.
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- It doesn't have its name etched on it,
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or in fact anywhere on it, as far as I can tell.
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It's just got the feet on it.
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But it looks great, it's got two ports plus MagSafe,
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so that's a big upgrade with MagSafe.
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It's got the M2 processor, which is based on,
01:30:40
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we haven't even talked about the M2 yet,
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but it's basically based on the A15 cores.
01:30:45
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It's also got, in addition to the sort of the second,
01:30:49
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the next generation GPUs and the next generation cores.
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They also took the video codec stuff
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that they added to the M1 Pro and Max chip,
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and that's in the M2, so it does video encoding
01:31:04
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kinda like an M1 Pro.
01:31:08
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Really interesting that they brought that feature over.
01:31:12
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So you're getting a huge amount of performance,
01:31:16
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especially if you're upgrading,
01:31:18
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if you didn't have an M1, right, you're on Intel,
01:31:20
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then there was one slide that was like,
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this'll be 15 times faster in this one test.
01:31:25
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I was like, yeah, okay, I can see that.
01:31:27
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So yeah, it's a very exciting product
01:31:29
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and I think it'll sell really well.
01:31:31
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Also, since we like to talk about
01:31:32
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the marketing aspect of this,
01:31:34
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starts at $1,199. - That's interesting.
01:31:36
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- And they're gonna still sell the M1 MacBook Air for $999,
01:31:39
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and I think maybe that's one of those lessons
01:31:41
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that goes back to when they tried to kill the MacBook Air
01:31:43
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the last time, which was people kept buying
01:31:45
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at $999 MacBook Air, 'cause they loved it,
01:31:48
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and this allows Apple to move forward
01:31:51
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and have a cooler, nicer, better, bigger screen,
01:31:56
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all those things MacBook Air,
01:31:58
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while still having a really good MacBook Air at $999,
01:32:03
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and why not?
01:32:04
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I'm actually really happy that the M1 Air
01:32:06
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is still around at that price.
01:32:08
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- And I hope that over time,
01:32:11
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they're gonna get that price down.
01:32:12
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I hope that that's the imperative.
01:32:14
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- I would imagine that'll happen, but in the meantime,
01:32:18
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so yeah, if you want in the base model,
01:32:21
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it's gonna be 200 more than the M1,
01:32:24
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but I think that's okay for now.
01:32:27
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- Yeah, it's Jambo in the Discord is saying it's,
01:32:32
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'cause you know, this is how it works,
01:32:35
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1250 pounds in the UK, which is like $1600,
01:32:38
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but that's how these things go,
01:32:40
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but it's always hot, it always hot,
01:32:42
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and you start pricing it out.
01:32:44
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I'm really excited to see one of these,
01:32:46
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'cause I'm wondering what my future looks like,
01:32:51
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computer-wise.
01:32:52
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And I'm gonna be, I'm keeping my eye on this,
01:32:55
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and I'm looking forward to reviews and stuff,
01:33:00
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and us talking about it more over the next few weeks,
01:33:02
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'cause this could be my next daily computer,
01:33:07
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and the MacBook Pro earns its spot
01:33:09
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as my full-on recording studio computer.
01:33:13
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So yeah, I wanna think about this a little bit more.
01:33:16
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That time isn't now, but I wanna think about this
01:33:19
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a bit more, but that's Exciting Computer.
01:33:20
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We'll talk about it more, and I think the M2,
01:33:22
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maybe we could talk about the M2 a little more next week.
01:33:25
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What do you think?
01:33:26
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- Sure, sure, we can do that a little bit more.
01:33:29
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- 'Cause we still got stuff to talk about today.
01:33:30
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All right, so let's talk about watchOS.
01:34:54
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So it got some new workout stuff, which looked interesting.
01:34:57
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A lot of different views, a lot of different--
01:35:00
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like you can set up custom workouts and multi-stage
01:35:03
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And it looked really intense.
01:35:05
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- Interval training for running, which I was doing intervals
01:35:09
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and had to use a separate app for that.
01:35:12
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The idea that you can set up your intervals
01:35:14
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and run for five and then, you know,
01:35:16
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or run hard for five and then run.
01:35:19
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In the demo video, the lady is running
01:35:23
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and then she does her slow down running
01:35:26
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and then she's running the speed that I run.
01:35:28
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So it was like, okay, fair enough.
01:35:30
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I was doing more run, walk, run, walk,
01:35:32
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but yeah, that's all good
01:35:34
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and they're doing those measurements
01:35:37
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where they're trying to use the multiple sensors
01:35:38
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to try to get some very specific running data out of them
01:35:41
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using kind of machine learning models.
01:35:43
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But I like that, like there's a lot of sensors there.
01:35:47
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Can you infer more information about what I'm doing
01:35:50
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based on what you're seeing?
01:35:53
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And so I'm encouraged by that,
01:35:54
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that they're trying to do more stuff
01:35:57
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and also the idea of like the multi-sport, that's cool.
01:36:00
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Like if you do a triathlon,
01:36:01
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it detects that you're no longer swimming
01:36:03
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and are now on a bike or whatever, right?
01:36:06
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Which is pretty cool.
01:36:08
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- The medications app and kind of system
01:36:12
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was really interesting to me.
01:36:13
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This was rumored before, so it's like a tracker
01:36:17
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of the medicines you take, how often you're taking them.
01:36:20
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You can set up reminders.
01:36:22
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It has a system that can look at the way
01:36:25
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that different drugs can interact with each other
01:36:27
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and make recommendations to you.
01:36:28
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It's looked like a very well thought out piece of software
01:36:32
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that spans across devices.
01:36:34
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- Yeah, and that I was, yeah,
01:36:39
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that it's a great feature to add, right?
01:36:41
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Like this is a perfect kind of health conscious feature
01:36:44
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for Apple to add, notify you if you haven't done it,
01:36:47
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you can log it, you can remember if you took it before.
01:36:50
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They will let you scan in your medications to add them in.
01:36:56
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Like they've thought about like all the different parts
01:36:58
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of the process here, they cross check
01:37:00
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to see if they're drug interaction problems.
01:37:02
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Like, there's just a lot in there.
01:37:03
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It looks good to me.
01:37:05
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-Yeah, I thought it was really cool,
01:37:07
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and it's something that I look forward
01:37:08
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to poking around with myself.
01:37:11
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-The AFib history stuff looked really interesting,
01:37:14
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like, you know, like, it was kind of like,
01:37:16
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"Hey, we've matured in what we understand about the heart now."
01:37:19
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-First we told you that you had AFib.
01:37:21
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Now we're going to tell you what might cause it
01:37:25
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or cause it to happen less, and, yeah,
01:37:27
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that's an interesting kind of extension of that aspect of it.
01:37:30
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Uh, new watch faces and some older watch faces being updated.
01:37:37
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This look cool. There's that new one. I think it's called metropolitan.
01:37:40
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Oh, that's my bag, baby. I love the look at that watch face.
01:37:44
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That's nice. I'm really into it big time. Yeah.
01:37:47
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I was more excited about like my old watch faces finally getting the new
01:37:51
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complication styles than I was the new watch faces, but it's all good.
01:37:55
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I'm glad that they spend more time,
01:37:57
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since there's no third party watch faces we're left with,
01:38:02
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I hope Apple keeps adding watch faces
01:38:04
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and gives the old watch faces a little bit of a brush up.
01:38:09
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- And it looks like that's gonna happen.
01:38:11
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Some of them have been rethought, like the astrology face.
01:38:14
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They're like, "We could do a better job of this now."
01:38:16
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And so they kind of went back and did it again.
01:38:19
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And they partnered with an artist
01:38:21
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to create another kind of fun one,
01:38:23
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like the face one that they had.
01:38:25
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So that looked really cool.
01:38:27
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One piece of information that came out afterwards,
01:38:29
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watchOS, this is nine, right?
01:38:33
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watchOS nine will not support the Apple Watch Series 3.
01:38:39
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- So they're finally getting rid of that.
01:38:41
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- Yeah, exactly, get it out of here.
01:38:43
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- Which I'm intrigued to see what they do
01:38:45
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with the watch now for this.
01:38:46
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- By the way, I wanna be clear,
01:38:47
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it's the astronomy face that you're thinking of.
01:38:49
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There is no astrology face to my knowledge.
01:38:51
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- Yeah, what do you want from me?
01:38:52
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- It's about stars and stuff, not about, yeah.
01:38:54
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- My brain can't be trusted right now.
01:38:56
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- I know, I know.
01:38:56
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- I'm doing the best of what I got, you know?
01:38:58
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- Yeah, I get it, I get it.
01:38:59
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But yeah, they have an artist doing that thing.
01:39:01
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And then when your watch is asleep,
01:39:04
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the little numbers are asleep.
01:39:06
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Aw, it's adorable.
01:39:07
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- Yeah, I thought this was cool.
01:39:09
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And I'm excited to see some of these new faces.
01:39:12
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And I'm excited to see what they do
01:39:13
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with the watch hardware now in general,
01:39:16
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because they're getting rid of, finally,
01:39:19
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getting rid of the Series 3.
01:39:21
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- Time to move forward.
01:39:22
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I would say like in a way I wouldn't have expected.
01:39:25
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Like in that they're still selling it,
01:39:28
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or was still selling it,
01:39:29
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and now they're like the next version won't support it.
01:39:31
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Like it seems quite-
01:39:33
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- Abrupt. - Harsh.
01:39:35
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Yeah, abrupt is a good way to put it.
01:39:38
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That I mean, when could you,
01:39:39
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can you still buy the Series 3?
01:39:42
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You can still buy it.
01:39:44
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It's still available for sale.
01:39:47
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- But now the next version of watchOS won't work on it.
01:39:50
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That's interesting to me.
01:39:53
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But yeah, I'm into it.
01:39:55
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There's a bunch of little bits and bobs here and there.
01:39:57
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Again, it benefits from a lot of the other things
01:39:59
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that benefit the rest of iOS and stuff is getting.
01:40:04
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But I'm excited about the new watch faces.
01:40:07
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As you say, I like they're going back and adding
01:40:09
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some stuff from old ones.
01:40:10
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And that would be really good.
01:40:12
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I'm excited about it.
01:40:13
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Not a lot to say on watchOS.
01:40:15
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tvOS got nothing.
01:40:17
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There was-- no Mac Pro.
01:40:19
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We didn't mention that a minute ago.
01:40:22
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- We're gonna hold off on that one.
01:40:26
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And no other rumored hardware or operating systems,
01:40:32
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which it was a packed keynote, I have to say.
01:40:36
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Remember last week, the general vibe was that
01:40:39
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the to-do list was too long, right?
01:40:41
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There's no way that all of these things
01:40:43
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could possibly happen and they didn't.
01:40:46
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So there's always more to look forward to future events at apple park perhaps.
01:40:53
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Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on today?
01:40:55
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Oh no, we should, there will be more, right?
01:41:00
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Like there's,
01:41:01
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there's stuff that,
01:41:03
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we're learning about all this stuff as we go and the state of the union and all
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the sessions this week,
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there are going to be lots of things for us to glean about this,
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that we haven't gleaned yet,
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but this is our first cut at it.
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having been, you know, me having been here
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and you having seen the keynote,
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we've done that first cut at it.
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And I, you know, overall, I would say,
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I think this was a good event.
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I think it felt very much like a developer keynote,
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but in the sense that it is always a media event, right?
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And the true developer-focused stuff
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was in the State of the Union.
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- And it seemed like the reaction
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to the State of the Union was incredibly positive.
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- People were very, our developer friends
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were very excited about the State of the Union stuff.
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And that's the kind of stuff that is not gonna make it
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into the keynote because the keynote is gonna have
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to actually explain what an API is.
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And the developer, State of the Union, does not.
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So there's a lot of nitty gritty stuff
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that we could probably talk about
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that developers are excited about next time.
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But as an event, I think pretty good
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in terms of unveiling the OSs.
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This is the start of Apple's kind of calendar year
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in terms of what the operating systems are
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that are gonna run on its devices for the next year.
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And you throw in the MacBook Air,
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which by all accounts,
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they've been wanting to introduce for a while now.
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And they said, it's the most popular laptop around
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and not just theirs, but all of them.
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And it is a popular one.
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And so by doing so,
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they've also kicked off the M2 generation,
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which is a big step forward
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'cause it's been about 19 months since the M1.
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and it's time to turn the page.
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It's also a processor that's based on A15 cores
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and probably you'll wanna start that introduction
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before the A16 comes out.
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So I think it's a good time for them
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to start releasing M2 products.
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And yes, the MacBook Pro is also out there,
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but a less interesting, more stay-the-course product
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than the new MacBook Air.
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- So that's WWDC.
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It's just a bit, this is a lot more.
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- That's Keynote.
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They did a lot more than I was expecting.
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They touched on a lot of areas I wouldn't have expected at all.
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You know, a lot of wish lists got ticked off in ways
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that I think I wouldn't have expected.
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Years and years of wish list items checked off today.
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Before we wrap up today, I just wanted to-- again,
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I don't know if I mentioned it at the start.
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People have been so nice to me.
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I tweeted about everything that's happened
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over the last couple of days.
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And Jason and I have been really overwhelmed by listeners reaching out and sending their love.
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It's really been quite emotional for me the last couple of days, right?
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And it was incredibly heartwarming to receive such great messages from our listeners.
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I really appreciate it.
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I just wanted to say it like I can't impossible for me to reply right to all of the messages.
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So if you have sent me a message or if you've done it now during the course of this episode,
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which I'm sure many upgrade as well, I just want to thank you all. Like this has been
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a really weird two or three days in my life. And I'm incredibly grateful for the love for
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my listeners. So thank you all so much. And we'll get you at an AMPL event.
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Next time. One of these days.
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I hope you get next time.
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I'll get you next time.
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I also just want to say as well, Jason's at Apple.
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So thank you to Apple for enabling us to record today.
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But again, they don't need me to say this.
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Everyone that I've been working with at Apple over the past week
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or so, they have been so gracious and so kind to me.
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They sent me a care package, Jason,
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which I told you about of snacks for the keynote today.
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and like different medicines and stuff like, you know, like, and they didn't need to do
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that and that, you know, they're not looking for me to say anything but like, I just wanted
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to thank Apple for just, they've been so great. And so yeah, this has been, hey look, I've
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really been upset the last couple of days in a year or so maybe less, this is going
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to be one of those really funny stories, you know, do you remember when Myke got invited
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to his first keynote and he got all the way there and caught COVID.
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You know, it's hilarious to me.
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I, uh, tend, I was looking for my photo role because it's such a long
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day when you travel, right?
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I was like, I'm sure I took a COVID test before I left.
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Cause I took one the day before, day before my flight and at 10 to
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nine in the morning, London time, I had a rapid flow test negative.
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I then took a test that it was hilariously also 10 to nine, but
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p.m. at San Francisco time, positive.
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And it's just like, what happened to me
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in that period of time?
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- It's 20 hours, right?
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- Yeah, and it was, yeah, wild.
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Like, yeah, absolutely wild.
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But hey, this thing's still out there, everyone,
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and I'll speak from my own experience.
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It ain't nice. (laughs)
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It ain't nice at all.
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But anyway, I'm just rambling on now.
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So thank you for listening to this episode of upgrade.
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Jason, thank you for joining me
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and thank me for joining you, I suppose.
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- Yes, thank you for joining me, Myke.
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- Thanks to Sourcegraph and Bombas and Membrful and Doppler
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for the support of this show.
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And we'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
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- Goodbye, Myke Hurley.
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