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00:00:12 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, Episode 414. Today's show is brought to you by Sourcegraph,

00:00:19 ◼   ► Fitpod, DoorDash, and Bombas. My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hi, Jason Snow.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Myke Hurley. How are you?

00:00:26 ◼   ► I'm good. I have a #snowtalk question for you.

00:00:29 ◼   ► All right.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Mark wants to know, "When you stay in a hotel, do you use the drawers and closets that they

00:00:33 ◼   ► provide or do you leave your things in your bags and your luggage?"

00:00:37 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:00:38 ◼   ► I'm curious.

00:00:39 ◼   ► So what I'll say real quick before you answer.

00:00:41 ◼   ► To me, I read this question and was like, "There's only one answer for this."

00:00:46 ◼   ► It kind of depending asterisk, but to me there's one answer for this.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Which is?

00:00:52 ◼   ► So you use the drawers and closets unless it's a very short trip.

00:00:58 ◼   ► So then I would not unpack.

00:01:00 ◼   ► If I'm there for like two days, I'm

00:01:01 ◼   ► just going to leave it in the back.

00:01:02 ◼   ► But if I'm there for like a week or longer, I'm unpacking.

00:01:05 ◼   ► I have to add on top of Mark's question

00:01:08 ◼   ► here too, if they have the little thing that you can

00:01:10 ◼   ► unfold that's like the little place that you put

00:01:12 ◼   ► your suitcase so it's up, do you use that

00:01:18 ◼   ► or do you just lay it on the floor

00:01:19 ◼   ► is the other question because sometimes I don't use that.

00:01:22 ◼   ► And I just I'm like, oh, yeah, there's that thing.

00:01:24 ◼   ► But it's already on the floor.

00:01:25 ◼   ► So my answer is very similar to yours.

00:01:28 ◼   ► I suspect perhaps our formula might vary a little bit, but it's similar to yours,

00:01:34 ◼   ► which is when we went to Hawaii in February and we were there for a week.

00:01:40 ◼   ► I took all the clothes out and put them in the drawers.

00:01:42 ◼   ► There were, it was a big place.

00:01:45 ◼   ► There were, there was lots of furniture, plenty of place to put clothes.

00:01:49 ◼   ► So we put all the clothes in the drawers and then closed up the suitcase and put

00:01:53 ◼   ► in the closet because that was more convenient. I will say I don't usually stay in a hotel for a

00:02:00 ◼   ► week. I'm usually there for a shorter period of time. I'm usually there going somewhere else. I

00:02:05 ◼   ► don't take a lot of long vacations. And when I do, sometimes they're broken up and all, you know,

00:02:10 ◼   ► and I do, you know, back in the day, especially a lot of business trips, if, if I'm only going to be

00:02:14 ◼   ► in the room for like a day or two, or like when we go to Oregon for like college stuff for the kids

00:02:21 ◼   ► and all that stuff. Like the best Western in Eugene, Oregon. I mean, it's got some drawers,

00:02:30 ◼   ► but we're there for two days. There's not that much stuff in my suitcase anyway. I just leave

00:02:37 ◼   ► it in the suitcase. It's just like, "Eh, I'll just leave it in the suitcase. It's not that big

00:02:41 ◼   ► a deal." But if I'm going to be there for a decent amount of time, and I guess part of my formula

00:02:45 ◼   ► would be if there are our drawers, if there's enough room, if it feels like more convenient

00:02:53 ◼   ► to do that and then stash the suitcase somewhere, I will do that. But I think it takes time

00:02:58 ◼   ► because you really want to settle in and stash that bag somewhere and then just live out of the

00:03:05 ◼   ► drawers. Functionally, my answer to Mark is that I leave my things in my luggage because I'm very

00:03:12 ◼   ► rarely at a place for so long that I would take them out. But if I am, and I just did that this

00:03:17 ◼   ► year, then sure, I'll put them in the drawers. It's fun. It's better. It's not fun living out

00:03:21 ◼   ► of a suitcase and sorting through. And then we actually have... My suitcase has a laundry bag.

00:03:31 ◼   ► A removable, washable laundry bag. Yes. From a past sponsor, in fact. And that is really nice.

00:03:39 ◼   ► and I've traveled with a laundry bag before because the other thing you don't want to

00:03:43 ◼   ► have ideally is the pile of dirty clothes in the corner, which sometimes is what you

00:03:49 ◼   ► end up with.

00:03:51 ◼   ► And also sometimes on trips you don't wear all the clothes and then when you come home

00:03:54 ◼   ► you can just hang the ones back up that you want one and if you have them in a laundry

00:03:57 ◼   ► bag then you know, top tip, if your suitcase doesn't have a laundry bag in it, get a little

00:04:02 ◼   ► bag like a small little bag that you can zip up and throw in your suitcase.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Yeah, got a little cloth laundry bag. And then, I mean, Kate mentioned this in the Discord, but

00:04:10 ◼   ► like, yeah, if you've got a suit or something that needs to be hung up, you immediately pull that out

00:04:17 ◼   ► when you get there and you hang it up, right? That part is not in dispute, right? That's the,

00:04:22 ◼   ► you know, keep that thing folded up in your suitcase as short a time as possible.

00:04:27 ◼   ► But then for the rest of it, yeah, it depends. Because there's no point in unpacking a small

00:04:32 ◼   ► suitcase into a small set of drawers for two days or for something. It's like there's no point in

00:04:38 ◼   ► that. I actually, in listening to you talk, I've refined my initial point. It's not about time for

00:04:44 ◼   ► me, it's mindset. Am I living in this place or am I in transit? That's good. Yes, also when I'm doing

00:04:52 ◼   ► a lot of work stuff, if I'm going to an Apple briefing or something like that, if there's not

00:04:59 ◼   ► a lot of time spent in the room. The room is really just there to go back at the end of the day and go

00:05:03 ◼   ► to bed and then get up in the morning. And it's not a place where you're... Because the place in

00:05:07 ◼   ► Hawaii, we were also hanging out in there with the family and we like watch movies and we were

00:05:13 ◼   ► making dinner and making breakfast. And there's lots of stuff. We were hanging out on the lanai,

00:05:17 ◼   ► like we were doing, we were living in the place. That is different than some places where you're

00:05:22 ◼   ► really just there to maybe do a little bit of work and sleep. And the rest of the time you're

00:05:26 ◼   ► out doing your other stuff, then you're not living in that space anyway. So that's part

00:05:30 ◼   ► of it too.

00:05:31 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Mark for that question. It's a good question. It's a good summary.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Go figure.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Good summary question. You can send in questions of your own by tweeting out with #snowtalk

00:05:41 ◼   ► or use ?snowtalk in the Relay FM members Discord. Got some follow out for you, Jason Sal.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Okay.

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00:07:21 ◼   ► - Upgrade your wardrobe.com. Jason, you have some great follow-up, follow-out.

00:07:28 ◼   ► - Little wardrobe related follow out. Listener Igor tweeted at us. He found an old, very old,

00:07:36 ◼   ► like 2016, 2017 vintage upgrade t-shirt at a charity shop in London. It was next to an

00:07:43 ◼   ► old daring fireball shirt, which is hilarious. Now, several people pointed out the Darren

00:07:47 ◼   ► fireball shirt was actually priced higher. I choose to believe that this is because the

00:07:53 ◼   ► upgrade shirt was well loved and worn a lot. And the daring fireball shirt was rarely,

00:07:57 ◼   ► if ever worn and therefore was in better condition and therefore merited the higher price than the

00:08:02 ◼   ► beautiful beautiful upgrade shirt anyway Igor said he is not one to buy a lot of

00:08:06 ◼   ► merchants so he was very happy to see them and apparently bought the upgrade

00:08:09 ◼   ► shirt and I think that's great I love it man

00:08:14 ◼   ► last weekend I went through my t-shirt drawer and cleared out a bunch in

00:08:19 ◼   ► preparation for the summer of fun. In flux. So I got rid of a few shirts so

00:08:26 ◼   ► there are it somewhere in London there are things that I have donated honestly

00:08:31 ◼   ► Really? Depending on where they are? That could be mine! I just realised!

00:08:35 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:08:36 ◼   ► That could have been mine.

00:08:37 ◼   ► That could be? Well that would be even they should really mark up the price.

00:08:41 ◼   ► That would be hilarious.

00:08:43 ◼   ► You should put like a secret symbol on the tag or something so that people will find

00:08:47 ◼   ► your shirts know that they belong to you. Little secret mark that's the mic mark.

00:08:52 ◼   ► Oh my god they are large shirts.

00:08:56 ◼   ► It is not outside of the realm of possibility that depending on where they were in London

00:09:02 ◼   ► that they could have been my t-shirts. This is only now just hit me because I owned both

00:09:07 ◼   ► of these shirts, no longer own both of these shirts.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Interesting. I think he said Hempstead?

00:09:13 ◼   ► No, see that's not where I am, but who knows though? We just donated to a central place.

00:09:18 ◼   ► We don't know the shirt circulation of the charity shops in London, the ecosystem of

00:09:22 ◼   ► it may go from place to place or get re- I don't even know. Anyway, if you don't order

00:09:30 ◼   ► upgradeyourwardrobe.com by July 13th you will be forced to haunt the charity shops

00:09:34 ◼   ► in hopes of your nerd t-shirts turning up and that leads me to my mic talk question for today.

00:09:38 ◼   ► -Oh we're back in this segment. -Have you ever shopped in a charity shop?

00:09:44 ◼   ► -I have. I know I've been in them and I've looked around. I don't know if I've ever

00:09:49 ◼   ► bought anything from a charity shop just because there's not been anything I've wanted.

00:09:53 ◼   ► All right, if you've wandered around in it, I think that counts. You don't have to have made a purchase.

00:09:59 ◼   ► I would again. For me, we're more like interesting furniture items, I think would be the thing I

00:10:05 ◼   ► would be the most intrigued about because I'm not really a vintage cloth, the clothing wearer,

00:10:10 ◼   ► you know? So my daughter is a thrifter. This is her hobby. She loves it

00:10:17 ◼   ► and she finds some amazing stuff including you know ironic t-shirts. She really likes the

00:10:24 ◼   ► you know I like the wine aunt t-shirts right where it's like my like I don't really think but yeah

00:10:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah because I mean it's hilarious right like it's it's the like I you know just I'm happy as

00:10:38 ◼   ► long as I'm drinking wine and there's a picture and she's just she thinks it's hilarious anyway

00:10:43 ◼   ► So she loves it. For her Christmas present last year, I went to a local charity shop. It turned

00:10:48 ◼   ► out to be her favorite one. I didn't actually know that. And I decided to... My theme gift was we were

00:10:53 ◼   ► going to give her cash for charity shop shopping, but I wanted it to be a thrift store theme. So I

00:10:59 ◼   ► bought her a few bits of ironic clothing part of it. And was very amazed. If you find stuff that's

00:11:06 ◼   ► any good for like a dollar, it's amazing the things you can find. And I think that's why she loves it.

00:11:12 ◼   ► it. I bought her a Facebook related t-shirt. Somebody obviously, there were a lot of Facebook

00:11:17 ◼   ► t-shirts there. Somebody obviously worked or works at Facebook in my local area and

00:11:25 ◼   ► donated all of her t-shirts to charity. So I got Jamie one of those and we all laughed,

00:11:30 ◼   ► but she wasn't going to wear it. And there was however, an Arrested Development themed

00:11:35 ◼   ► t-shirt that I found that I thought was hilarious. And she has worn that and she liked that.

00:11:38 ◼   ► was a hit. So anyway, it was fun. That was the, yeah, just local charity shop thing.

00:11:43 ◼   ► So you never know. You never know.

00:11:44 ◼   ► You could get some fun stuff, right? Like that's the difference to charity shopping.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Because Igor was just poking around and ended up finding a t-shirt they genuinely wanted.

00:11:53 ◼   ► He's like, "Oh, I listen to this podcast and I've never bought it. So now I'm going to

00:11:58 ◼   ► buy this thing for $1.99 or whatever."

00:12:00 ◼   ► And I'm now going to believe that that is my t-shirt. That's what we're going to go

00:12:05 ◼   ► over.

00:12:06 ◼   ► And now Upgrade Canon listener Igor found the hidden secret mics upgrade t-shirt in a

00:12:11 ◼   ► charity shop.

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00:12:54 ◼   ► I have some follow up for you, Jason. Okay.

00:12:57 ◼   ► According to Mark Gurman, this is not Rumor Roundup. This is a thing. According to Mark

00:13:02 ◼   ► "Mark Gurman, Apple is not expecting to require employees to return to the office

00:13:06 ◼   ► anytime soon."

00:13:07 ◼   ► I've got a couple of quotes that Mark shared that he was kind of given from a source.

00:13:11 ◼   ► "A full implementation of the return to office plan is probably not imminent.

00:13:16 ◼   ► More employees are testing positive for COVID than ever."

00:13:18 ◼   ► Yup.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Yup.

00:13:20 ◼   ► And so my question really, like, I'm not really sure what the plan is here, like from

00:13:26 ◼   ► Apple's perspective.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Like, I kind of feel like they just have to choose a path.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Do they either decide that they are going to allow for way more flexibility in their

00:13:38 ◼   ► work from home, or are they going to say it's time to come back?

00:13:43 ◼   ► Because I just don't see what are you waiting for?

00:13:45 ◼   ► What do you think is going to change?

00:13:48 ◼   ► I think that's where they are right now is they're basically saying, "Well, when this

00:13:52 ◼   ► all blows over, we're all going to return to work."

00:13:56 ◼   ► And then they keep changing how, you know, when it's going to blow over.

00:14:00 ◼   ► I don't know if they're...

00:14:01 ◼   ► I don't know if there ever will be like a blowing over.

00:14:04 ◼   ► I don't know either.

00:14:05 ◼   ► It's just gonna go up and down, up and down, up and down.

00:14:09 ◼   ► And so I kind of feel like many tech companies, they actually just need to make a policy and

00:14:15 ◼   ► then enforce the policy because they haven't really made a policy.

00:14:19 ◼   ► The policy is based on an alternate history, I feel like at this point.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I kind of feel like they need to just be like, "Hey, we're going to be a flexible working

00:14:30 ◼   ► company now and that's that. Because they kind of felt like they were going up, I mean

00:14:37 ◼   ► not a great way but partly in that direction right, a couple of days a week or whatever,

00:14:41 ◼   ► but now they're still like don't worry about it, don't come back. But maybe in the future

00:14:46 ◼   ► we'll take, it just feels like people can't move forward if they're in this limbo I'm

00:14:53 ◼   ► sure. So I feel like they need to just make some decisions and they seem to still be incapable

00:14:59 ◼   ► of doing that.

00:15:01 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a tough one. Like I get it. Your comment about alternate history I think is

00:15:09 ◼   ► dead on, which is I think a lot of policies were made in a return to work era where I

00:15:15 ◼   ► was like, "Oh, well, it's all over." And I mean, to Apple's credit, Apple is showing

00:15:19 ◼   ► awareness that it's not all over.

00:15:21 ◼   ► Yeah, that is good, right? That they aren't, you know, but still, right? Then it's like,

00:15:26 ◼   ► So I think now you can clearly see what's happening.

00:15:29 ◼   ► You need to reassess what that policy was

00:15:31 ◼   ► and make a new one.

00:15:33 ◼   ► - Right, exactly.

00:15:35 ◼   ► Because this is an ongoing thing

00:15:37 ◼   ► and there are gonna be issues.

00:15:39 ◼   ► I know that there's a tendency for people to say,

00:15:45 ◼   ► well, it's over because everybody's tired of it.

00:15:47 ◼   ► But there's a lot of COVID out there

00:15:49 ◼   ► and there are successive waves of variants

00:15:53 ◼   ► and the new, what is it?

00:15:54 ◼   ► BA5 that is rising.

00:15:56 ◼   ► is not only more, it has a tendency to spread more,

00:16:01 ◼   ► but the, not to get technical,

00:16:06 ◼   ► but the shape of the spike protein has mutated

00:16:08 ◼   ► to the point where a lot of the value

00:16:11 ◼   ► of having gotten it before

00:16:12 ◼   ► or having gotten vaccinated before

00:16:14 ◼   ► has the efficacy of that has been reduced.

00:16:16 ◼   ► So you're gonna see more spread

00:16:19 ◼   ► and like there are still people who get it.

00:16:21 ◼   ► And I mean, you know, Myke, like it's,

00:16:24 ◼   ► Some people get it and they don't feel sick at all,

00:16:26 ◼   ► or they feel sick for a few days.

00:16:28 ◼   ► Other people get it and they're sick for a long time.

00:16:30 ◼   ► So you kind of want to not have your employees get it

00:16:33 ◼   ► if you're an employer.

00:16:34 ◼   ► And if you've shown that you can do your job remotely,

00:16:38 ◼   ► forcing you to go back into the office

00:16:40 ◼   ► and risk getting COVID when you don't need to be there,

00:16:45 ◼   ► seems like a bad idea.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I would like them to just make a reset

00:16:49 ◼   ► and say, look, we believe in in-person work

00:16:53 ◼   ► and we want to return there,

00:16:55 ◼   ► but we're indefinitely putting it off

00:16:57 ◼   ► and we will figure out a new plan at the very least

00:17:00 ◼   ► because this kind of just pushing it off.

00:17:02 ◼   ► 'Cause the other thing is it seems like

00:17:04 ◼   ► this is gonna be a bumpy ride too.

00:17:05 ◼   ► Like they're waiting for the perfect moment

00:17:07 ◼   ► to bring everybody back.

00:17:09 ◼   ► There's not gonna be a perfect moment,

00:17:10 ◼   ► but even if there was a perfect moment,

00:17:11 ◼   ► guess what the perfect moment will be followed by?

00:17:14 ◼   ► A backslide where something happens and there's an uptick

00:17:17 ◼   ► and then they're gonna have to deal with the backslide.

00:17:19 ◼   ► So maybe don't wait for the perfect moment

00:17:21 ◼   ► and be a little bit clearer about what you're doing.

00:17:25 ◼   ► And I feel for them and any employer

00:17:27 ◼   ► who is in a situation like this,

00:17:28 ◼   ► but you gotta take care of your employees

00:17:30 ◼   ► and forcing them back in when you don't need to,

00:17:35 ◼   ► when you don't need to is the real issue here

00:17:39 ◼   ► because I know they've gotten a lot of pushback

00:17:41 ◼   ► from their employees who say,

00:17:43 ◼   ► it's not necessary for us to be present.

00:17:45 ◼   ► And I understand Apple saying, yeah, but we like it.

00:17:48 ◼   ► I was like, okay, but that's probably not sufficient right now.

00:17:52 ◼   ► Like I'm still sick.

00:17:56 ◼   ► So like, don't get me wrong.

00:17:57 ◼   ► I'm not saying people should be going back to the office here, right?

00:18:00 ◼   ► But I just feel like that their policies are not what they should be.

00:18:04 ◼   ► It just seems strange.

00:18:05 ◼   ► You just like delay it forever.

00:18:07 ◼   ► I saw on your wonderful web blog, sixcolors.com that you found and posted the first photo you took on your iPhone.

00:18:16 ◼   ► This came up in Ask Upgrade Question

00:18:19 ◼   ► some number of weeks ago.

00:18:20 ◼   ► And I just thought it was a very cute little photo.

00:18:23 ◼   ► This photo is more fun than I imagined.

00:18:27 ◼   ► I love it.

00:18:27 ◼   ► It's just so weird and great.

00:18:29 ◼   ► - This is my son in a meadow in the Sierra Nevada.

00:18:34 ◼   ► It is IMG008.

00:18:37 ◼   ► 'Cause we had that Ask Upgrade Question

00:18:41 ◼   ► and like I can't find one

00:18:42 ◼   ► and two is like a super blurry picture

00:18:45 ◼   ► of my kids in the backseat of the car

00:18:47 ◼   ► and three and four are like traffic

00:18:49 ◼   ► out the front windshield.

00:18:53 ◼   ► 'Cause I'm testing the camera

00:18:54 ◼   ► while my wife drives us to up in the mountains.

00:18:57 ◼   ► But number eight is Julian standing amid all of these flowers

00:19:02 ◼   ► in a meadow in the Sierra Nevada,

00:19:04 ◼   ► holding a chocolate chip cookie.

00:19:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:19:08 ◼   ► So yeah, and he's two at that point.

00:19:10 ◼   ► And that was 15 years ago.

00:19:11 ◼   ► And he is, yes, the math works out.

00:19:12 ◼   ► He's 17 about to turn 18.

00:19:14 ◼   ► So time flies when you're reviewing iPhones, I guess.

00:19:18 ◼   ► - It's the cookie that does it for me, man.

00:19:20 ◼   ► - I know, right?

00:19:21 ◼   ► Well, that was my thought too.

00:19:22 ◼   ► It's like, oh, I have all these pictures

00:19:23 ◼   ► of Julian in the meadow.

00:19:24 ◼   ► And then I looked at him like, holding a cookie.

00:19:27 ◼   ► Okay.

00:19:28 ◼   ► So that was why my caption says my two year old son

00:19:30 ◼   ► in a Sierra meadow with cookie.

00:19:32 ◼   ► But that's also, that's the family camp we go to,

00:19:37 ◼   ► or we went to for several years when the kids were younger.

00:19:39 ◼   ► And you know, they, I think when they get you there,

00:19:43 ◼   ► they probably hand the kids a cookie or something like that. So, you know, this is kind of that

00:19:48 ◼   ► camp experience in a nutshell, which is you're out in the middle of nowhere with cookies.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:19:53 ◼   ► It's the residence in, I think, maybe? No, DoubleTree. It's DoubleTree. It gives you

00:20:00 ◼   ► a cookie when you check in.

00:20:02 ◼   ► But it's always a cookie with nuts in it, so I'm like, "Well, this is useless."

00:20:06 ◼   ► I know, right? Their cookie recipe has nuts in it. It's too bad. Sorry about that.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Why did you do that? I don't know why people do that.

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00:22:03 ◼   ► Jason, I would like to take a trip back to the Netherlands.

00:22:07 ◼   ► We haven't been in the Netherlands for a while.

00:22:10 ◼   ► You know, that's where my daughter is right now.

00:22:13 ◼   ► Really?

00:22:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:15 ◼   ► Well?

00:22:16 ◼   ► Yeah, she's not very far from you, I suppose, because the Netherlands isn't that far from

00:22:18 ◼   ► you.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Yeah, she's doing a little summer program in Amsterdam.

00:22:21 ◼   ► It's awesome.

00:22:22 ◼   ► So I've been thinking about the Netherlands.

00:22:23 ◼   ► Did you know, before we get into this, because there's interesting things about the Netherlands.

00:22:27 ◼   ► I mean, it's Stroopwafel, it's a given.

00:22:30 ◼   ► Sorry, I'm playing up the summer of fun angle here.

00:22:33 ◼   ► - Well, we're having fun today.

00:22:34 ◼   ► - It's the 4th of July, it's a holiday for me

00:22:36 ◼   ► and I'm doing a podcast and it's the summer of fun

00:22:38 ◼   ► and we're a little digressions here.

00:22:40 ◼   ► So one, Stroopwafels, they're the best.

00:22:43 ◼   ► Just come on.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Two is I have a story about payment systems

00:22:49 ◼   ► in the Netherlands.

00:22:50 ◼   ► Apologies to all the Netherlands listeners out there

00:22:52 ◼   ► but my understanding is the Netherlands actually was a leader

00:22:55 ◼   ► in terms of payment terminals and contactless payment

00:22:59 ◼   ► and other kind of like electronic payments.

00:23:02 ◼   ► But as a side effect of that, they were so early,

00:23:05 ◼   ► you know how this goes, right?

00:23:06 ◼   ► They were so early that then when the world caught on,

00:23:08 ◼   ► they caught on slightly differently.

00:23:10 ◼   ► And so they're a little bit askew

00:23:12 ◼   ► from the rest of the world.

00:23:14 ◼   ► And although my understanding is that

00:23:15 ◼   ► they're kind of getting back on board

00:23:17 ◼   ► and then in the next couple of years,

00:23:18 ◼   ► they'll kind of be all the way back.

00:23:20 ◼   ► There is a very interesting, strange little quirk.

00:23:23 ◼   ► And it bit Jamie this weekend, which is funny because when we were in the

00:23:28 ◼   ► Netherlands a couple of years ago, right before your wedding, it bit us too,

00:23:31 ◼   ► which is the best, biggest, most popular, whatever, uh, market in the

00:23:37 ◼   ► Netherlands is Albert Heim.

00:23:38 ◼   ► And, uh, they accept credit cards, but they only accept, or they, I think

00:23:45 ◼   ► they maestro cards, which are a very specific Netherlands only credit slash

00:23:52 ◼   ► debit card, right? Maestro card is mastercard. Mastercard has turned it into mastercard debit,

00:23:59 ◼   ► but in the Netherlands maestro still exists. My understanding is that next year they're

00:24:03 ◼   ► shutting it down, but for now they're just holding on to it. And Albert Hein is like,

00:24:08 ◼   ► no, nobody who doesn't have a Dutch debit card can pay with a card here. And then they

00:24:14 ◼   ► put ATMs in their lobbies so that you can go get money. But Jamie went to the ATM and

00:24:18 ◼   ► had no money in it, which is also bad.

00:24:20 ◼   ► Anyway, and I looked up like,

00:24:23 ◼   ► can you get a prepaid debit card?

00:24:25 ◼   ► No, you can't, you can't do any of those things.

00:24:28 ◼   ► So it was just a funny moment of the Netherlands,

00:24:31 ◼   ► you know, they always say,

00:24:32 ◼   ► oh, you Americans are so backward.

00:24:34 ◼   ► Yeah, you know, Europe,

00:24:35 ◼   ► we've had all this stuff at the same time.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah, try to buy some groceries

00:24:38 ◼   ► at an Albert Heinz sometime, try it, try it.

00:24:40 ◼   ► You can't, you just can't.

00:24:42 ◼   ► So anyway, those are my Netherlands facts,

00:24:45 ◼   ► which is Maestro cards, Stroopwafels and dating apps.

00:24:50 ◼   ► - So I'm sure Upgradients will remember

00:24:54 ◼   ► we spent a lot of time talking about Apple's rules

00:24:56 ◼   ► in the Netherlands around dating apps.

00:24:58 ◼   ► They've made some more changes.

00:25:00 ◼   ► So they have once again, so this is again,

00:25:05 ◼   ► Apple making concessions to the Netherlands authority

00:25:08 ◼   ► for consumers, the ACM on allowing external payments

00:25:12 ◼   ► from third-party payment processes and external linking

00:25:15 ◼   ► in dating apps based on a ruling.

00:25:17 ◼   ► Apple have once again softened the language

00:25:21 ◼   ► on the mandatory message they show to users.

00:25:23 ◼   ► So if you say you wanna pay with an external,

00:25:26 ◼   ► say like, "Oh, I wanna not use Apple's payment,

00:25:28 ◼   ► I use an external payment."

00:25:30 ◼   ► There was a sheet that came up

00:25:31 ◼   ► and originally made it seem like you're about to go

00:25:33 ◼   ► to speak to a fraudster or some description, right?

00:25:35 ◼   ► And then they softened it.

00:25:36 ◼   ► They've softened that language further

00:25:40 ◼   ► before you get shown alternate options for payment.

00:25:43 ◼   ► Previously as well, there were two buttons

00:25:45 ◼   ► on that little sheet that popped up.

00:25:47 ◼   ► One continue, one says cancel.

00:25:49 ◼   ► Now it's just one button that says I understand,

00:25:52 ◼   ► which I think is pretty cool.

00:25:54 ◼   ► Developers are now able-- - Less passive aggressive,

00:25:57 ◼   ► right? - Way less, yeah.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Developers are now able to use both type of entitlements.

00:26:02 ◼   ► So there are two entitlements that you can have.

00:26:04 ◼   ► One is third-party payments inside your app,

00:26:07 ◼   ► the other is external linking.

00:26:09 ◼   ► At one point Apple were just saying,

00:26:11 ◼   ► you can only choose one of these,

00:26:12 ◼   ► now you can use both of them.

00:26:14 ◼   ► They've broadened some of the requirements

00:26:16 ◼   ► for payment processes.

00:26:17 ◼   ► Apple had a very strict set of rules

00:26:20 ◼   ► for the type of process that you could use

00:26:22 ◼   ► and they've relaxed that a little bit.

00:26:24 ◼   ► And they've also updated the commission structure.

00:26:27 ◼   ► Now stick with me here.

00:26:29 ◼   ► Previously Apple was saying that it was a flat 27%

00:26:35 ◼   ► that you would receive from every transaction

00:26:39 ◼   ► and then you had to give Apple the rest, right?

00:26:43 ◼   ► Now you get a 3% discount instead.

00:26:47 ◼   ► The difference here is if you are in some kind of program

00:26:52 ◼   ► like the small business program or in a subscription,

00:26:55 ◼   ► you could get your fees down to 15%, right?

00:26:58 ◼   ► So now you only have to pay Apple 12% in those circumstances

00:27:03 ◼   ► where previously you would not get that benefit.

00:27:06 ◼   ► So it was, you got 27%.

00:27:09 ◼   ► I think I'm saying that right.

00:27:12 ◼   ► Maybe my COVID brain's messing up,

00:27:14 ◼   ► but the point is it's like previously

00:27:16 ◼   ► it was like 27% commission Apple would take, right?

00:27:19 ◼   ► That's what I'm trying to say.

00:27:20 ◼   ► - Right, you're right.

00:27:21 ◼   ► So basically it was Apple was gonna take 30

00:27:24 ◼   ► and they said, okay, well you can do credit card processing

00:27:26 ◼   ► and then we'll also take 27.

00:27:28 ◼   ► And now they're saying, whatever we normally take,

00:27:32 ◼   ► will take 3% off of it for processing.

00:27:35 ◼   ► So instead of Apple taking 30,

00:27:37 ◼   ► they're taking X minus three,

00:27:40 ◼   ► which is still 27,

00:27:43 ◼   ► unless you're in that small business program

00:27:45 ◼   ► or in the second year of a subscription thing,

00:27:48 ◼   ► in which case it drops and you get that 3% discount

00:27:51 ◼   ► put on whatever your level is.

00:27:54 ◼   ► - That's the difference, right?

00:27:55 ◼   ► So the main thing you need to pay attention to here

00:27:57 ◼   ► is it's making sure that if you were getting

00:28:00 ◼   ► some kind of 15%, you would still get that 15% as the overall fee and Apple would take

00:28:07 ◼   ► still a 3%, right? So it was taking 3% but you could still get the majority of it. So

00:28:13 ◼   ► the ACM finally seemed happy with these proposals that Apple have given. So it seems like this

00:28:19 ◼   ► is it now. The language has been set.

00:28:21 ◼   ► >> Peace in the Netherlands.

00:28:23 ◼   ► >> And yeah, so this should be peace. Apple subsequently unveiled its plans for South

00:28:29 ◼   ► South Korea came before this, but it's taken the longest to implement.

00:28:33 ◼   ► South Korea was the one where Google did their thing and everyone was happy,

00:28:37 ◼   ► but Apple were like, "We are compliant." Do you remember that?

00:28:40 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Uh-uh.

00:28:43 ◼   ► Apple has unveiled their plans for South Korea.

00:28:47 ◼   ► In South Korea, the external linking isn't a thing.

00:28:54 ◼   ► It's just the in-app payment stuff.

00:28:57 ◼   ► and

00:29:16 ◼   ► that they gave the press release and gave all the details to South Korea

00:29:21 ◼   ► after they'd settled it in the Netherlands because they finally had some kind of like

00:29:25 ◼   ► way of doing it and they were going to roll it out more widely

00:29:28 ◼   ► which is why I thought we hadn't gotten the resolution of the Japanese Fair Trade Commission one yet

00:29:33 ◼   ► which was the first one right I figured

00:29:34 ◼   ► they were going to go with one of them whichever was the most pressing

00:29:37 ◼   ► and then roll out the same rules everywhere

00:29:39 ◼   ► but that's not the case

00:29:40 ◼   ► so in South Korea they are using

00:29:43 ◼   ► one of the previous warning screens which has stronger language and two buttons.

00:29:47 ◼   ► Like the language is way harsher in that than it is in the Netherlands.

00:29:51 ◼   ► They're doing a 26% commission, which is a completely different number.

00:29:57 ◼   ► And it's not going to take into account the 15% thing. So it's going back to that whole idea of

00:30:03 ◼   ► it's 26, right? It's not that it's 26. It has to be a separate app that you submit to South Korea.

00:30:13 ◼   ► if you're going to use these entitlements. So now really Apple are doing the worst possible thing

00:30:18 ◼   ► and making different rules everywhere. I was really hoping that they would just come up with

00:30:26 ◼   ► something and then standardize a bunch of rules everywhere, but they're not doing that.

00:30:29 ◼   ► - I mean, they may yet do that eventually, but it seems like their structure here is

00:30:36 ◼   ► negotiate individual deals with regulators as necessary. And maybe a system will flow out of

00:30:44 ◼   ► that at some point, right? When they've got enough of these that they can find a way to standardize,

00:30:48 ◼   ► or maybe not. Like I've said before, part of their strategy here seems to be just drag their feet as

00:30:54 ◼   ► much as possible and make it as inconvenient as possible so people say, "Oh, forget it."

00:30:57 ◼   ► Technologically, it's all the same stuff. They're using the same entitlements and all that kind of stuff.

00:31:05 ◼   ► But then you have to code the language in the sheet and all that kind of stuff.

00:31:11 ◼   ► But it's all S-StoreKit external purchase entitlements, which is like SK something something.

00:31:18 ◼   ► It's like they're not creating different entitlements,

00:31:23 ◼   ► Well, they're not carrying different technological ways of doing it, country to country.

00:31:27 ◼   ► Just the rules are different country to country, which is intriguing.

00:31:33 ◼   ► So we can say goodbye to the Netherlands.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I don't think we're going to come back to South Korea.

00:31:38 ◼   ► At some point, this is going to continue to be a thing.

00:31:41 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:31:42 ◼   ► But we'll see.

00:31:43 ◼   ► I feel that we're going to have several weeks of Netherlands-based payment follow-up, but

00:31:46 ◼   ► that's okay.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Like, Jamie's there for a few weeks, so I can have her follow up on whatever we need

00:31:53 ◼   ► to follow up on.

00:31:54 ◼   ► - I would also love to know

00:31:57 ◼   ► what the Dutch charity shops look.

00:31:59 ◼   ► - Oh, I will be able to give you a report for that.

00:32:03 ◼   ► I think she's already been.

00:32:04 ◼   ► - I wanna know.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Rumor round up, Jason.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Mark Gorman had a few more tidbits

00:32:12 ◼   ► about Apple's upcoming products for this year

00:32:15 ◼   ► in the Power On newsletter.

00:32:17 ◼   ► Versus the Apple Watch Series 8.

00:32:19 ◼   ► So this year's Apple Watch should include

00:32:22 ◼   ► a body temperature sensor. The feature has passed Apple's testing. Mark Gorman believes

00:32:26 ◼   ► that both the Apple Watch Series 8 and the extreme sports version, which is how I've

00:32:31 ◼   ► thought of it, maybe we'll call it like Apple Watch Extreme. They're both going to get this

00:32:36 ◼   ► feature. So this is interesting to me because what it's saying is like, that extreme sports

00:32:41 ◼   ► version will be a high end product. Because I was wondering where's it going to sit, right?

00:32:47 ◼   ► If it's going to get the same sensor as the Series 8, my expectation is it will have all

00:32:51 ◼   ► the same sensors but just be designed differently in some way.

00:32:54 ◼   ► It's gonna be a Series 8. My guess is it'll be a Series 8 but in name. That they'll just

00:33:01 ◼   ► it'll be the you know we have the the regular one and then we have the the extreme sports

00:33:07 ◼   ► edition of the Series 8.

00:33:08 ◼   ► I would like this watch from a design perspective for the the case of the watch to be made out

00:33:14 ◼   ► of the same material as the sports bands that would be fun. That fluoroastomer.

00:33:17 ◼   ► last summer. That'd be fun. You just bounce them on the ground. Like a super ball. Yeah,

00:33:22 ◼   ► it just comes right back up to you. Bounce right back. Quote from Mark Gurman, "The body temperature

00:33:27 ◼   ► feature won't give you a specific reading like with forehead or wrist thermometer, but it should

00:33:32 ◼   ► be able to tell you if it believes you have a fever. It could then recommend taking to a doctor

00:33:37 ◼   ► or using a dedicated thermometer." So I think this is, I actually think this is smart because

00:33:43 ◼   ► everybody's body temperatures are different. And so what you really want to do is use this to alert

00:33:50 ◼   ► somebody if you think they're running a fever. And so you measure, you get a sense of the baseline

00:33:56 ◼   ► body temperature for the person who's wearing the watch. And then if their body temperature is out

00:34:01 ◼   ► of whack, you put up an error and say, you know, or an alert and say, we think that you are, you

00:34:06 ◼   ► may be running a temperature and get your attention because yeah, you could keep checking

00:34:11 ◼   ► and keep checking and keep checking. But I'm not sure that makes as much sense as this.

00:34:18 ◼   ► We get to sit here and measure you constantly and let you know, right? Isn't that better

00:34:23 ◼   ► than having to keep checking your temperature? I think. I think that's a smarter way of doing

00:34:27 ◼   ► it, which is we'll let you know if your temperature is out of whack. Otherwise, if we don't talk

00:34:33 ◼   ► to you about it, you're fine.

00:34:35 ◼   ► I would like both though, right?

00:34:37 ◼   ► So if you're thinking about this, right?

00:34:41 ◼   ► This is gonna be more like the oxygen sensor.

00:34:44 ◼   ► The oxygen sensor then the ECG.

00:34:48 ◼   ► 'Cause like, so all of the heart stuff

00:34:50 ◼   ► is doing that background monitoring,

00:34:51 ◼   ► but I can also get a reading and do what I want with it.

00:34:55 ◼   ► But like, so I would still want the number, right?

00:34:59 ◼   ► If I wanna be able to go in

00:35:01 ◼   ► and run my own body temperature test

00:35:03 ◼   ► and get like, what is my temperature?

00:35:05 ◼   ► - I know you want it.

00:35:08 ◼   ► I'm not sure that it would be useful.

00:35:11 ◼   ► And I wonder if the origin of this feature is

00:35:13 ◼   ► that they can give you a temperature,

00:35:15 ◼   ► but it's not necessarily a temperature

00:35:17 ◼   ► that will compare to the temperature

00:35:18 ◼   ► if you actually use a dedicated thermometer

00:35:21 ◼   ► to take the temperature,

00:35:22 ◼   ► 'cause it'll be off by a little bit,

00:35:23 ◼   ► but the trend is still accurate.

00:35:25 ◼   ► And so like, do they show you,

00:35:26 ◼   ► if your skin temperature is 95,

00:35:30 ◼   ► do they fake it and say 98?

00:35:32 ◼   ► 'cause that's what you would test

00:35:33 ◼   ► if you stuck a thermometer under your tongue

00:35:36 ◼   ► or in your ear, or do they, right?

00:35:38 ◼   ► Like, 'cause it might not be what you, it might not.

00:35:42 ◼   ► - It's just like, here's a warning,

00:35:44 ◼   ► you should go and get this checked more seriously.

00:35:48 ◼   ► - That's the important thing is that

00:35:49 ◼   ► if it matches to your internal body temperature

00:35:54 ◼   ► and that if you get a fever, it can tell

00:35:56 ◼   ► because the temperature is greater than usual,

00:35:59 ◼   ► then it can give you an alert.

00:36:00 ◼   ► And I would also argue, yeah,

00:36:02 ◼   ► There's a little bit of a patient, you know,

00:36:06 ◼   ► wanting information like traditionally,

00:36:08 ◼   ► if you feel weird, you take your temperature and like,

00:36:10 ◼   ► oh, I'll run the temperature app.

00:36:12 ◼   ► Whereas what the Apple watch is saying is, no, no, no, no,

00:36:15 ◼   ► we know you're fine.

00:36:16 ◼   ► We'll let you know if you're not, which is, I get it.

00:36:20 ◼   ► Like there's a level of that,

00:36:22 ◼   ► that is Apple telling you like, don't worry about it.

00:36:24 ◼   ► But I do wonder if that's actually what's behind it is,

00:36:27 ◼   ► is that the number they would give you is not a match

00:36:30 ◼   ► for the number that you would get with another thermometer.

00:36:32 ◼   ► And so they don't want to confuse the issue and say,

00:36:34 ◼   ► "Oh, temperature gate, it runs low."

00:36:37 ◼   ► Or, "Temperature gate, it's a different number

00:36:40 ◼   ► because they fake it in order to make it seem

00:36:42 ◼   ► a little warmer because it's cooler on your wrist

00:36:44 ◼   ► than it is in your ear."

00:36:45 ◼   ► Yeah, anyway, I like this.

00:36:48 ◼   ► I really do like this though

00:36:49 ◼   ► because everybody's body temperature is different.

00:36:52 ◼   ► And so if it can learn what your body temperature is

00:36:55 ◼   ► and tell you when it's not in the normal range,

00:36:58 ◼   ► that's the most important thing, I think.

00:37:00 ◼   ► And I think a lot of the winning features of Apple Watch

00:37:04 ◼   ► are the advantage of having a sensor

00:37:08 ◼   ► monitoring you all the time,

00:37:10 ◼   ► telling you when something is different, right?

00:37:13 ◼   ► Like, I think this could be a real winner

00:37:15 ◼   ► in just saying like, you may not have noticed,

00:37:17 ◼   ► but I noticed this thing about you because I take your,

00:37:20 ◼   ► you know, I'm taking your vitals

00:37:21 ◼   ► every five minutes or whatever.

00:37:24 ◼   ► - So do you think that there wouldn't even be an app like,

00:37:27 ◼   ► that would have-

00:37:28 ◼   ► be. I mean, we don't know from Mark Gurman's thing, but it would actually surprise me if

00:37:31 ◼   ► there isn't a thermometer app that will give you a temperature, but that they're not using

00:37:36 ◼   ► that as an alert. That the alert is when you go, you know, out of range, and that that's

00:37:42 ◼   ► when they'll alert you that your temperature is high.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Mark Gurman also believes Apple is still working on a Pro iMac of a larger display. Says that

00:37:52 ◼   ► this will probably be an M3 product and would likely launch alongside an iMac update. If

00:37:58 ◼   ► you remember when we went through that list last week, this was like a question we had,

00:38:01 ◼   ► right? Like, this wasn't mentioned, and he did mention that the iMac would probably not

00:38:06 ◼   ► get a revision until the M3, like the current iMac, and so maybe they will just hold on

00:38:12 ◼   ► to it for a couple of years, the one I have, and then go for it with a bigger update. So

00:38:18 ◼   ► their ice is the new iMac, and we now have a bigger one. I think that'd be kind of cool.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Sure, I'm a little surprised still that the iMac is skipping the M2 generation entirely.

00:38:27 ◼   ► Maybe. We don't know, right? Like, we don't know.

00:38:31 ◼   ► Right. Yeah, I'm still a little skeptical about that, but, you know, Mark says no. And

00:38:35 ◼   ► although Mark's—I can't decide whether Mark's iMac information is not his strongest, or

00:38:40 ◼   ► whether it's just that there's nothing there to see, and that he's reporting the truth

00:38:44 ◼   ► that they're just gonna let it sit there for an extra year, year and a half as an M1.

00:38:50 ◼   ► And also finally, Mark is reporting that AirPods 2 will not feature any health sensors.

00:38:58 ◼   ► So there have been some rumors that there could be either heart rate or temperature

00:39:02 ◼   ► sensors in the new version of AirPods.

00:39:06 ◼   ► This to me, like when reading this report was like, that makes sense to me because surely

00:39:11 ◼   ► it would undermine the Apple Watch, right?

00:39:13 ◼   ► Like if they put a body temperature sensor on the Apple Watch and then immediately put

00:39:19 ◼   ► on AirPods, it's like...

00:39:21 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I don't need to buy a new Apple Watch.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I just buy the new AirPods and then I'm good.

00:39:25 ◼   ► - And also, I don't know,

00:39:26 ◼   ► but that technology seems quite complicated

00:39:28 ◼   ► for something that's small, but what do I know?

00:39:30 ◼   ► - Also, I'll double back to what I just said,

00:39:34 ◼   ► which is you don't have your AirPods in all the time.

00:39:37 ◼   ► So, I mean, not everybody has an Apple Watch

00:39:39 ◼   ► and if you put them in and your ear temperature is high,

00:39:43 ◼   ► having it say you might have a fever

00:39:45 ◼   ► is probably a feature that is worth it.

00:39:47 ◼   ► but I think it's not the same as being able to monitor

00:39:52 ◼   ► your body temperature kind of constantly

00:39:55 ◼   ► and note when it's out of whack

00:39:57 ◼   ► because you only have your AirPods

00:39:59 ◼   ► in certain circumstances.

00:40:03 ◼   ► -MacRumors is reporting that the MacBook Air

00:40:06 ◼   ► will be on sale from July 15th

00:40:08 ◼   ► based on their sources inside of Apple retail.

00:40:12 ◼   ► I'm personally very excited for the reviews of this product.

00:40:14 ◼   ► I wanted to share just on what I think is gonna occur, right?

00:40:17 ◼   ► So I think the reviews of the MacBook Air,

00:40:20 ◼   ► the M2 MacBook Air will only go one of two ways.

00:40:24 ◼   ► - Huh, interesting.

00:40:25 ◼   ► - It will either be, this is overpriced

00:40:28 ◼   ► or this is the best general laptop you can buy.

00:40:31 ◼   ► I think it's gonna go, I don't know why,

00:40:34 ◼   ► but that's just the feeling I get.

00:40:35 ◼   ► - So either, come on, $11.99 for this,

00:40:39 ◼   ► the other one is $9.99, what are you doing?

00:40:41 ◼   ► or it's gonna be, oh my God, it's so great.

00:40:45 ◼   ► It's light and thin and beautiful.

00:40:46 ◼   ► - And super fast and it's got all these features

00:40:49 ◼   ► and oh my God, we've got more ports and max.

00:40:51 ◼   ► I think it's one of the two, right?

00:40:53 ◼   ► And I don't think there's a middle ground.

00:40:55 ◼   ► I think that all the reviews and honestly as well,

00:40:57 ◼   ► I think it's not gonna be a consensus

00:41:00 ◼   ► between one of those two.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Some places will say this is the best laptop you could buy

00:41:05 ◼   ► and others will say this is overpriced.

00:41:07 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:41:10 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Ming-Chi Kuo is reporting that Apple has failed to produce their own 5G modem chips for the

00:41:15 ◼   ► 2023 iPhone line. Apparently development has stalled based on Kuo's supply chain sources.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Currently it's looking like Qualcomm will continue to supply Apple's 5G modems for the iPhone 15.

00:41:29 ◼   ► Kuo expects that Apple will continue to develop its own 5G chips, but it will take more time for

00:41:39 ◼   ► for the work to be completed and satisfactory

00:41:43 ◼   ► for use in iPhones and other devices.

00:41:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's funny because the CEO of Qualcomm

00:41:53 ◼   ► made a statement about how they expected

00:41:55 ◼   ► that they're gonna lose a major supplier next year, right?

00:41:58 ◼   ► - Maybe they thought that was the case, right?

00:42:01 ◼   ► And now Apple's gonna be coming in with an order.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the thing that makes this sound

00:42:08 ◼   ► like a real story is that,

00:42:12 ◼   ► 'cause you're always like, "Oh, what delayed?

00:42:13 ◼   ► What does that mean?"

00:42:14 ◼   ► Like if they don't announce it, how does it delay?

00:42:16 ◼   ► But it's a loss, a delay in their expectations

00:42:19 ◼   ► and perhaps a delay in the expectations of Qualcomm.

00:42:23 ◼   ► It also shows you how far ahead Apple and other phone makers

00:42:27 ◼   ► and other suppliers of parts have to work.

00:42:30 ◼   ► I assume that we've reached the drop dead point

00:42:35 ◼   ► where Apple has to tell Qualcomm

00:42:37 ◼   ► if they want chips for next fall, for fall of 23.

00:42:41 ◼   ► If Ming-Chi Kuo is reporting this now, what does that mean?

00:42:45 ◼   ► I think it means that that drop dead date has happened

00:42:49 ◼   ► and Apple has had to make the decision,

00:42:51 ◼   ► like, are we confident?

00:42:53 ◼   ► 'Cause again, it's the iPhone, it's the crown jewels.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Are we confident that we will be able to ship our own

00:43:00 ◼   ► 5G modem in the fall of 23?

00:43:04 ◼   ► And the answer is no, apparently.

00:43:06 ◼   ► And that's interesting, but it also gives you a sense

00:43:10 ◼   ► of how much time they need to tell Qualcomm,

00:43:13 ◼   ► we need those chips, guys.

00:43:15 ◼   ► I know we sued you, but we need those chips now.

00:43:18 ◼   ► - This is such an incredibly important part of the phone.

00:43:21 ◼   ► Right, where it's like,

00:43:22 ◼   ► I know Apple love their custom silicon, right?

00:43:25 ◼   ► And they love to make their phones more powerful.

00:43:27 ◼   ► But if you can't maintain a consistent cell signal,

00:43:30 ◼   ► the phone is useless.

00:43:31 ◼   ► - And I'll also think back

00:43:35 ◼   ► to when the Apple Silicon transition happened.

00:43:36 ◼   ► And everybody was like, "Oh, I don't know

00:43:38 ◼   ► how it's gonna go, how's this gonna be?"

00:43:40 ◼   ► And what I said at the time was,

00:43:43 ◼   ► Apple controls the transition.

00:43:45 ◼   ► Apple chooses when to go until still making chips, right?

00:43:48 ◼   ► At any point, Apple can make the transition.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Apple is very proud of its chip making

00:43:54 ◼   ► and is not gonna make a transition

00:43:57 ◼   ► that reflects badly on them, right?

00:43:59 ◼   ► Like the moment that Apple was going to make

00:44:01 ◼   ► the Apple Silicon transition

00:44:03 ◼   ► to what we now know as the M1 was gonna be a moment

00:44:07 ◼   ► where everybody was blown away by the M1.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Because otherwise, why would you do that?

00:44:12 ◼   ► Why would you come out at the moment

00:44:14 ◼   ► where it wasn't really all there

00:44:16 ◼   ► and it was really kind of behind Intel

00:44:18 ◼   ► and oh, this is like every Mac user's taking a hit.

00:44:21 ◼   ► Like you would never do that.

00:44:22 ◼   ► Well, guess what?

00:44:23 ◼   ► The iPhone is more important product to Apple than the Mac.

00:44:27 ◼   ► Cellular signal is a very important feature of a cell phone

00:44:33 ◼   ► And if you can't come out and at least have parity

00:44:37 ◼   ► with the Qualcomm experience, you need to not do it.

00:44:42 ◼   ► And I suspect that that's what happened here,

00:44:45 ◼   ► which is, you know, 'cause the last thing Apple wants to do

00:44:48 ◼   ► is have this perception that like, oh yeah,

00:44:50 ◼   ► Apple replaced the good Qualcomm chip

00:44:52 ◼   ► with their own crappy chip, and now the new iPhone is bad.

00:44:56 ◼   ► Like that's bad on so many layers, right?

00:44:58 ◼   ► Like it's the layer of like, oh no,

00:45:00 ◼   ► the iPhone is perceived negatively.

00:45:02 ◼   ► Like that's really bad for Apple.

00:45:04 ◼   ► And then on top of it, it's like,

00:45:05 ◼   ► oh, an Apple's own chip design prowess is now in question.

00:45:10 ◼   ► Like that hurts.

00:45:11 ◼   ► So they're not gonna do it.

00:45:13 ◼   ► They're not gonna do it unless they can do it right.

00:45:14 ◼   ► And this is our first signal that they're not there yet.

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00:47:31 ◼   ► and Relay FM. So Jason, I was inspired by David Sparks, our friend of the show.

00:47:38 ◼   ► Yep.

00:47:39 ◼   ► And one of his labs posts. I think it was a labs post. Max Sparky Labs is awesome by

00:47:43 ◼   ► the way. I recommend it.

00:47:45 ◼   ► It is. It is his membership.

00:47:47 ◼   ► Yep, David produces a wonderful amount of content that I enjoy greatly. A lot of his video.

00:47:51 ◼   ► He's living the life of not being a lawyer anymore to do other content. It's great.

00:47:56 ◼   ► And I like that he makes a lot of video content. That makes it different to me to some of the other

00:48:00 ◼   ► membership programs that I subscribe to, like newsletters or podcasts, but it's his video,

00:48:06 ◼   ► which I like. Anyway. But he made a couple of videos about an iPad status board. So I've

00:48:14 ◼   ► taken his example and of just what I'm using my iPad Air for, the iPad Air that I primarily

00:48:19 ◼   ► bought for Stage Manager, but would otherwise outside of testing kind of be mostly unused

00:48:25 ◼   ► here at my studio. So basically what this is, is it's using like widgets and stuff to

00:48:31 ◼   ► have a iPad that sits on your desk, that's just the screen is on all the time, where

00:48:37 ◼   ► you're able to get access to information. And then for me also kind of using universal

00:48:42 ◼   ► control and stuff like that and trying out more of these features. So I wanted to show

00:48:46 ◼   ► you how I have it set up, talk about how I'm using it and talk about some things that are

00:48:50 ◼   ► frustrating me about the experience. Okay. So I've got a screenshot in the show notes

00:48:56 ◼   ► of this iPad and how it's set up right now. And primarily it's pretty widget focused.

00:49:03 ◼   ► So I have a couple of stacks and then some widgets. So the top left, I've got a stack

00:49:09 ◼   ► of the large widgets of FantasticOwl and Carrotweather, and that rotates. The rotating was interesting

00:49:18 ◼   ► because what I learned quite quickly is widgets rotating in your peripheral vision is quite

00:49:27 ◼   ► like, I find it quite distracting. So one of the things that I've worked out though

00:49:34 ◼   ► is if I change the theming so the colors are the same,

00:49:39 ◼   ► it doesn't distract me because carrot weather,

00:49:42 ◼   ► usually I use like a widget where the background color

00:49:47 ◼   ► is like condition dependent.

00:49:49 ◼   ► So it can be blue if it's sunny and blah, blah, blah.

00:49:52 ◼   ► But if I changed it to black,

00:49:54 ◼   ► which I don't really like the look of as much,

00:49:55 ◼   ► but I have fantastic hours dark mode too,

00:49:57 ◼   ► like just the black calendar,

00:49:59 ◼   ► then it doesn't distract me in the same way

00:50:01 ◼   ► because it's just changing over,

00:50:03 ◼   ► but it's not changing over and changing color.

00:50:06 ◼   ► So that was something that I found that was annoying me.

00:50:08 ◼   ► But that's the only stack that I've got going on there.

00:50:12 ◼   ► But that was an interesting thing.

00:50:15 ◼   ► Oh, I do actually, I have some time tracking shortcuts

00:50:19 ◼   ► underneath the timery widget that I have,

00:50:21 ◼   ► but that doesn't rotate on its own like that.

00:50:24 ◼   ► That's how I use timery widgets.

00:50:26 ◼   ► Like wherever I put a timery widget,

00:50:28 ◼   ► I put shortcuts that access timers underneath it,

00:50:31 ◼   ► underneath that widget,

00:50:32 ◼   ► 'cause that just makes sense to me.

00:50:34 ◼   ► I have a Todoist widget.

00:50:36 ◼   ► I have a WidgetSmith/photos widget,

00:50:40 ◼   ► which when I took the screenshot just so happened,

00:50:44 ◼   ► photos was giving me a reminder of a time

00:50:46 ◼   ► that we spent together in Ireland.

00:50:48 ◼   ► Even though the widget says trips to Bottaschine,

00:50:51 ◼   ► which is a--

00:50:52 ◼   ► - Romania.

00:50:53 ◼   ► - Which is in Romania.

00:50:54 ◼   ► - I have never been to Romania and yet photos

00:50:56 ◼   ► thinks that we were together in Romania.

00:50:57 ◼   ► - We, I went on--

00:50:59 ◼   ► - Did I send you a picture or something?

00:51:01 ◼   ► No no no, so I went on a trip to Ireland for all and then from Ireland went to Romania.

00:51:08 ◼   ► Oh. For some reason photos has put all of that together in one trip.

00:51:13 ◼   ► Oh boy. I don't know why it does that but it did that.

00:51:17 ◼   ► Well I love that it's a picture of us. That somebody else, of us taking a picture together

00:51:22 ◼   ► that somebody else took a picture of. Yeah.

00:51:24 ◼   ► Even better. Even better. Then I have Spark which is my email and then TrainBeacon which is an app

00:51:30 ◼   ► that I used to tell me the train times from the studio to home. So this is

00:51:36 ◼   ► like what I have I have this just sitting here all the time and it works

00:51:40 ◼   ► pretty well. So where is it positioned? Is it below your screen? It's

00:51:45 ◼   ► below and just to the right a little bit because that's where I have a space for it

00:51:49 ◼   ► okay because I'm trying it out right now. I think ideally I would want it directly

00:51:53 ◼   ► below but then I would just have to rearrange some stuff on my desk and I

00:51:56 ◼   ► I don't want to do that until I'm sure that I want this as

00:51:58 ◼   ► like a thing.

00:52:00 ◼   ► - And my, so my big concern, I love it.

00:52:02 ◼   ► I love the idea of a status board.

00:52:04 ◼   ► I love when Panic had their status board, sadly, RIP,

00:52:07 ◼   ► they killed it.

00:52:09 ◼   ► We actually used that at Macworld for a while.

00:52:11 ◼   ► I set up like a TV with an iPad Velcroed on the back,

00:52:14 ◼   ► running status board by Panic,

00:52:17 ◼   ► because I really liked the status board concept.

00:52:20 ◼   ► I thought about doing that here.

00:52:23 ◼   ► You know, I feel like I keep coming back to like,

00:52:26 ◼   ► would I use it versus just having various statuses

00:52:29 ◼   ► on my Mac screen?

00:52:31 ◼   ► And I thought about the iPad and so I'm curious,

00:52:36 ◼   ► is it, I mean, the iPad's meant to be kind of like

00:52:40 ◼   ► held in your hands.

00:52:41 ◼   ► And so my concern is that if you set it down somewhere

00:52:44 ◼   ► kind of off to the side,

00:52:45 ◼   ► that everything's going to be a little small.

00:52:47 ◼   ► It's okay.

00:52:49 ◼   ► - I mean, I think it's fine.

00:52:50 ◼   ► I mean, there is a thing where most of the time

00:52:53 ◼   ► my iPad uses an iPad mini.

00:52:55 ◼   ► So like, this is big for me.

00:52:57 ◼   ► This is like a big iPad.

00:52:59 ◼   ► - I guess with iPad OS 16,

00:53:00 ◼   ► you're gonna be able to do the more space.

00:53:03 ◼   ► Can you make it larger?

00:53:03 ◼   ► You could make it, you could do a thing

00:53:05 ◼   ► where it's like bigger stuff

00:53:06 ◼   ► and maybe it would look better that way.

00:53:08 ◼   ► - Well, I am doing that.

00:53:09 ◼   ► - That was the thought I had.

00:53:10 ◼   ► - So I'm doing the bigger space on this iPad.

00:53:13 ◼   ► - Bigger spaces.

00:53:14 ◼   ► And then you're using the extra, you know,

00:53:16 ◼   ► the extra large widget for your weather

00:53:19 ◼   ► And all right, I think this is an interesting idea.

00:53:23 ◼   ► I mean, I love the idea of ambient stuff.

00:53:24 ◼   ► I use, that's why I have all that stuff in my menu bar

00:53:27 ◼   ► is I'm trying to give myself like ambient information

00:53:30 ◼   ► that I can just glance at and say,

00:53:31 ◼   ► okay, that's what's going on.

00:53:32 ◼   ► And so I think this is an interesting idea.

00:53:35 ◼   ► The idea that you've got like a little buddy.

00:53:38 ◼   ► - It's information like I have a lot

00:53:40 ◼   ► and like a lot of this stuff does live in my menu bar,

00:53:43 ◼   ► right, as you say,

00:53:44 ◼   ► but I actually think it can be much nicer

00:53:47 ◼   ► to just have it all visually there.

00:53:49 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:53:50 ◼   ► - But let me talk about some of the issues

00:53:52 ◼   ► I'm having with this.

00:53:53 ◼   ► - I was gonna, before we get there,

00:53:54 ◼   ► I have one hypothetical for you,

00:53:56 ◼   ► which is what if you could attach a monitor to a Mac,

00:54:01 ◼   ► use it as an external monitor,

00:54:04 ◼   ► and then put widgets on it?

00:54:06 ◼   ► Imagine you could just run the widgets on your Mac.

00:54:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:54:11 ◼   ► - Imagine if you could do that.

00:54:12 ◼   ► - Right.

00:54:13 ◼   ► - Oh well.

00:54:14 ◼   ► - If I could just, but yeah, cannot do that.

00:54:16 ◼   ► So I'm using universal control for the first time seriously.

00:54:21 ◼   ► Like I tested it out,

00:54:22 ◼   ► but never really had much of a use for it myself.

00:54:25 ◼   ► And I'll preface this by saying I'm using iOS 16,

00:54:30 ◼   ► or iPad OS 16.

00:54:31 ◼   ► So maybe there's some weirdness there,

00:54:33 ◼   ► but maybe people can let me know

00:54:34 ◼   ► if I'm having a regular experience.

00:54:38 ◼   ► I find it not to be very reliable.

00:54:41 ◼   ► So I have the box checked inside of system preferences

00:54:45 ◼   ► to automatically reconnect my iPad to my MacBook Pro.

00:54:50 ◼   ► And that never happens.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Either sometime in the day or the next day,

00:54:55 ◼   ► I have to do the thing where I push the cursor

00:55:00 ◼   ► through the screen and do that little linking.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And then I have my iPad sitting underneath my Mac

00:55:07 ◼   ► and you can't, at least I have not found a way,

00:55:10 ◼   ► I don't think it's possible to get the linking

00:55:13 ◼   ► to happen that way.

00:55:13 ◼   ► it has to go through the left or the right it seems.

00:55:16 ◼   ► I can't push my cursor down to do that connection.

00:55:20 ◼   ► So every time I have to say, push it to the right,

00:55:23 ◼   ► then open system preferences, go to displays,

00:55:25 ◼   ► then drag the iPad down underneath the display

00:55:29 ◼   ► and like that little arrangement thing that they have.

00:55:31 ◼   ► And then I can go like from the bottom of my max monitor

00:55:35 ◼   ► to the top of the iPad monitor, right?

00:55:37 ◼   ► But I'm having to do that every time.

00:55:39 ◼   ► It's not remembering that arrangement.

00:55:42 ◼   ► And that is frustrating to me.

00:55:45 ◼   ► Now, I don't know if you have experienced

00:55:47 ◼   ► that universal control very much,

00:55:49 ◼   ► but like I'm finding that annoying to me.

00:55:53 ◼   ► And I don't know if there's something

00:55:55 ◼   ► that the beta's got going on,

00:55:57 ◼   ► or if it's like, this is just what it's always like,

00:55:59 ◼   ► but that is annoying to me.

00:56:00 ◼   ► - I haven't used universal control a lot.

00:56:04 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:05 ◼   ► - So I don't know.

00:56:06 ◼   ► I definitely have found that it's not as reliable.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Like when it works, it's magical,

00:56:13 ◼   ► but it doesn't always feel like it works.

00:56:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:17 ◼   ► Like I have another little thing where

00:56:19 ◼   ► I use a Logitech mouse, right?

00:56:22 ◼   ► And the scroll wheel doesn't work on my iPad.

00:56:27 ◼   ► It scrolls on my Mac, even though the cursor is on my iPad.

00:56:33 ◼   ► - Oh, wow.

00:56:36 ◼   ► - So I bring the mouse down and I'm on my iPad,

00:56:41 ◼   ► on my iPad and I want to scroll a web page but it actually then just scrolls Safari on

00:56:46 ◼   ► the Mac for example because it's like wherever the cursor was last. Similarly a lot of the

00:56:51 ◼   ► times I have to click somewhere on the iPad for the keyboard to work otherwise the keyboard

00:56:55 ◼   ► stays on the Mac. But you know this is a technology that I know so many weird things are having

00:57:02 ◼   ► with this like so I feel like I'm a little bit more forgiving of it but it is just like

00:57:06 ◼   ► one of those things where it isn't as magical as I would want. If I use my Magic Trackpad,

00:57:12 ◼   ► it works fine, the scrolling is perfect, but with my Logitech mouse it isn't. Maybe it's

00:57:16 ◼   ► because I used a little unifying receiver and not Bluetooth, but nevertheless, the system

00:57:22 ◼   ► knows the scroll is going on, can't it pass that through? I don't know. So that's Universal

00:57:28 ◼   ► Control. I would say it's a really interesting feature and the fact that it just works is

00:57:34 ◼   ► is great when it works, but it also doesn't work sometimes.

00:57:37 ◼   ► But the fact that I can just go down is nice.

00:57:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's hard to rely on it,

00:57:39 ◼   ► which is the shame of it, right?

00:57:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:57:42 ◼   ► But I'm not like,

00:57:44 ◼   ► I'm not using it a lot, right?

00:57:47 ◼   ► So like, it doesn't really bother me very frequently,

00:57:50 ◼   ► but when I do wanna use it, it's never just as,

00:57:52 ◼   ► it never, it's not like it just works in a way that I want.

00:57:57 ◼   ► Monroe in the chat is saying,

00:57:58 ◼   ► "The Logitech software is incompatible

00:58:00 ◼   ► "with universal control right now."

00:58:02 ◼   ► So there you go, that explains it.

00:58:03 ◼   ► I would love more control over my iPad's power settings.

00:58:08 ◼   ► So to get this to work,

00:58:12 ◼   ► you have to turn your display to never go to sleep, right?

00:58:15 ◼   ► 'Cause if the display's going to sleep, this is useless.

00:58:19 ◼   ► - Right.

00:58:21 ◼   ► - So what I would like to do is tell iPadOS,

00:58:25 ◼   ► if this iPad is connected to power, don't go to sleep.

00:58:30 ◼   ► don't go to sleep because then what I could do is always have this thing

00:58:36 ◼   ► connected to power and put it on a smart switch that turns off when I leave in

00:58:42 ◼   ► the evening. Have you thought about just plugging it into your Mac too?

00:58:48 ◼   ► Then when you put your Mac just, well no, you'd have to shut it down and you are a

00:58:52 ◼   ► sleeper and not a shutter downer. Well I take the laptop away from me. Oh okay

00:58:57 ◼   ► well then that would have the same effect.

00:58:59 ◼   ► But either way, yeah, I think there are some issues

00:59:03 ◼   ► with the OLED display on,

00:59:06 ◼   ► well there's no OLED displays on iPads though, right?

00:59:08 ◼   ► It's just, I was gonna invent the iPad screensaver,

00:59:12 ◼   ► but we don't want that, we don't want that.

00:59:13 ◼   ► - No, and I don't want the display on

00:59:16 ◼   ► when I'm not here, right?

00:59:17 ◼   ► - Right, totally.

00:59:18 ◼   ► - But so currently I have it that it's just like,

00:59:22 ◼   ► just be on all the time and then I have to turn,

00:59:24 ◼   ► like lock it at night.

00:59:25 ◼   ► - You have to press the button at night,

00:59:26 ◼   ► which is not the worst thing in the world,

00:59:28 ◼   ► but yeah, it would be nice if you could,

00:59:30 ◼   ► - Get a bit more granular. - You could set an automation.

00:59:32 ◼   ► Can you set an automation to like,

00:59:33 ◼   ► - I wanted to, I can't find anything in shortcuts

00:59:36 ◼   ► that allows me to change anything about the lock state

00:59:39 ◼   ► or the like the screen state.

00:59:41 ◼   ► 'Cause that was where I went first.

00:59:42 ◼   ► I was like, I know there's weird stuff in here.

00:59:44 ◼   ► So this is my next thing.

00:59:46 ◼   ► Give me some shortcuts triggers

00:59:48 ◼   ► for locking and unlocking the device.

00:59:50 ◼   ► Like that would be honestly better, right?

00:59:53 ◼   ► Like not even unlocking, I can do the unlocking, right?

00:59:56 ◼   ► but just turning the screen off.

00:59:58 ◼   ► So then I could be like, when there is no power,

01:00:03 ◼   ► turn off the display.

01:00:05 ◼   ► That's what I want it, right?

01:00:06 ◼   ► Because then I can set up another trigger

01:00:08 ◼   ► on a home kit switch and do it that way.

01:00:11 ◼   ► - I think this is interesting.

01:00:13 ◼   ► I've thought about using an iPad as an auxiliary screen

01:00:16 ◼   ► with universal control to do some apps

01:00:19 ◼   ► that are not that important.

01:00:20 ◼   ► 'Cause you can also just flip over

01:00:22 ◼   ► and put Fantastic Cal in full screen

01:00:24 ◼   ► and look at your calendar over there.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Like there are other uses that you can have.

01:00:29 ◼   ► You could move out of widget mode momentarily

01:00:33 ◼   ► without having to do it on the Mac.

01:00:34 ◼   ► And with universal control, that's a lot better

01:00:36 ◼   ► 'cause you're using those iPad apps

01:00:38 ◼   ► that are perfectly good instead of using a sidecar.

01:00:41 ◼   ► - And I've been doing that

01:00:42 ◼   ► 'cause like now just like having the iPad on my desk,

01:00:46 ◼   ► it's not far from me.

01:00:47 ◼   ► I am finding myself quite frequently

01:00:48 ◼   ► like just tapping the fantastic L icon with my finger, right?

01:00:52 ◼   ► and just like, I can just look at your calendar.

01:00:55 ◼   ► And I could also imagine, I haven't done this yet,

01:00:57 ◼   ► but I could imagine like using it as a reference for things,

01:01:00 ◼   ► either to have articles there or video there or something

01:01:03 ◼   ► while I'm doing something else.

01:01:05 ◼   ► - Sure.

01:01:05 ◼   ► - And I've also been using it to control music

01:01:09 ◼   ► on my HomePod because I much prefer doing that

01:01:12 ◼   ► on an iOS or iPadOS app than on my Mac.

01:01:16 ◼   ► I find that way nicer.

01:01:18 ◼   ► - As somebody who air plays on a Mac every day,

01:01:21 ◼   ► It's not as good.

01:01:23 ◼   ► - It's been nice for that, right?

01:01:24 ◼   ► That I can just like, you know,

01:01:27 ◼   ► use control center with my finger and just like.

01:01:30 ◼   ► - Oh man, you know, the next step,

01:01:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw this out there.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Maybe this is a Max Sparky video that he should make

01:01:35 ◼   ► or I should make one, but I'm now envisioning,

01:01:38 ◼   ► 'cause I do keyboard controls for all my media controls.

01:01:41 ◼   ► So like a play, pause, next, all of that is,

01:01:45 ◼   ► I've got little macros that,

01:01:46 ◼   ► 'cause I don't use the F keys,

01:01:48 ◼   ► I use a different set of keys.

01:01:50 ◼   ► I thought you could probably run a macro

01:01:52 ◼   ► that runs a shortcut.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Could you run a shortcut that tells the iPad?

01:01:58 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:01:59 ◼   ► That's my next thing is like, can I,

01:02:01 ◼   ► they need universal shortcuts or something, right?

01:02:03 ◼   ► I wanna be able to on my Mac, press a key

01:02:07 ◼   ► and run an automation that tells the iPad to do something

01:02:10 ◼   ► like play or pause or something like that.

01:02:12 ◼   ► - Robot MLG in the Discord has said,

01:02:18 ◼   ► This isn't perfect, but you could have a shortcut

01:02:21 ◼   ► toggle low power mode on,

01:02:23 ◼   ► which would turn display sleep on.

01:02:25 ◼   ► So that might be a way to get around it.

01:02:29 ◼   ► I'm gonna try that.

01:02:30 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, interesting.

01:02:32 ◼   ► - So that, I'm not sure if it does override it,

01:02:35 ◼   ► but I expect it probably would override my setting.

01:02:38 ◼   ► - Really great piece of feedback from David in the chat,

01:02:40 ◼   ► who says sometimes the right answer might be

01:02:42 ◼   ► get a second computer monitor.

01:02:43 ◼   ► But here's the thing, what I said earlier, which is,

01:02:46 ◼   ► I would, you need, there he's followed it up

01:02:48 ◼   ► with you need better back OS software.

01:02:49 ◼   ► 'Cause like all these widgets are on Mac OS.

01:02:52 ◼   ► You could probably do it,

01:02:53 ◼   ► but the widget presentation is so good.

01:02:56 ◼   ► And you can only get it on the Mac

01:02:59 ◼   ► in notification center, right?

01:03:01 ◼   ► Like even if there was an app,

01:03:02 ◼   ► literally just an app that was an empty canvas

01:03:06 ◼   ► on which you could put widgets,

01:03:08 ◼   ► that would be fine, but you can't.

01:03:13 ◼   ► And in some cases, the iPad version just as superior,

01:03:17 ◼   ► plus you can see the widgets that you can't see on the Mac.

01:03:20 ◼   ► So that's the thing is, yeah,

01:03:22 ◼   ► 'cause I kind of agree with David,

01:03:23 ◼   ► like a second monitor or even a second monitor

01:03:27 ◼   ► with a little bit of space devoted to widgets

01:03:31 ◼   ► might be a solution here.

01:03:33 ◼   ► Or even if you've got a big display like a Pro Display,

01:03:37 ◼   ► a little area on your monitor with widgets on it,

01:03:40 ◼   ► dedicated to widgets.

01:03:41 ◼   ► But Apple has thus far decided that Mac OS users

01:03:44 ◼   ► never need to see widgets except on demand

01:03:46 ◼   ► in notification center.

01:03:48 ◼   ► And it's super frustrating, but that's where we still are.

01:03:51 ◼   ► - The other part of it, which is where it started with David

01:03:54 ◼   ► and that's what inspired me is I have this iPad.

01:03:56 ◼   ► Like I have it already.

01:03:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think that's right.

01:03:59 ◼   ► And with Sidecar, it is a second Mac monitor

01:04:02 ◼   ► when you want it to be.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Which is the beauty of it, right?

01:04:05 ◼   ► - Sidecar's pretty cool.

01:04:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I don't use it a lot,

01:04:08 ◼   ► but I was thinking the other day

01:04:10 ◼   ► that I was editing a video project in Final Cut

01:04:13 ◼   ► and I was really frustrated because of screen space.

01:04:17 ◼   ► 'Cause even on a 27 inch monitor,

01:04:19 ◼   ► like trying to see the whole picture and all that.

01:04:21 ◼   ► And I realized, oh, you know what I really should do

01:04:22 ◼   ► is use Sidecar and put the output monitor as the iPad.

01:04:27 ◼   ► And then I stave a lot of space

01:04:31 ◼   ► and I'm gonna try that the next time.

01:04:33 ◼   ► So yeah, I think the iPad as a versatile kind of like,

01:04:36 ◼   ► sometimes it's an iPad, sometimes it's a monitors,

01:04:39 ◼   ► Sometimes it's just like a widget player,

01:04:41 ◼   ► but I would even argue on the iPad,

01:04:44 ◼   ► I'm coming around to this idea.

01:04:46 ◼   ► We'll call it dashboard.

01:04:47 ◼   ► We'll totally call it dashboard.

01:04:48 ◼   ► The idea that there should be a widget presentation mode,

01:04:51 ◼   ► even on the iPad,

01:04:52 ◼   ► I would love an app that you could run

01:04:55 ◼   ► that just had arbitrary collections of widgets in it.

01:04:57 ◼   ► And then no doc, right?

01:05:00 ◼   ► No doc and a separate from what's on the home screen.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Why are the widgets?

01:05:03 ◼   ► Why do they have to be on the home screen?

01:05:06 ◼   ► Maybe there's a widget presentation mode

01:05:08 ◼   ► and then you put that on,

01:05:10 ◼   ► okay, I'm calling it for next year.

01:05:11 ◼   ► This is on my wishlist for next year now.

01:05:13 ◼   ► Dashboard on the Mac and the iPad

01:05:15 ◼   ► that allows you to only display widgets

01:05:18 ◼   ► in a very nice presentation mode,

01:05:20 ◼   ► because widgets are great.

01:05:21 ◼   ► And I am frustrated that Apple is not doing more with them.

01:05:24 ◼   ► - Like I really want an Apple made,

01:05:29 ◼   ► like I know this third party apps,

01:05:30 ◼   ► but is there a little janky?

01:05:31 ◼   ► I want music controls on a widget.

01:05:33 ◼   ► I just want it, all right?

01:05:35 ◼   ► I just want to give it to me.

01:05:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I do wonder they're doing that new thing

01:05:41 ◼   ► that is not gonna come out until later in the fall.

01:05:44 ◼   ► That's the live event notification on the walk screen.

01:05:48 ◼   ► It's basically a widget.

01:05:49 ◼   ► And I wonder if that is your interactive widget, right?

01:05:53 ◼   ► That there will be an API that sort of that API

01:05:55 ◼   ► for an ongoing thing.

01:05:57 ◼   ► And wouldn't it be nice if you could plant that

01:05:59 ◼   ► on your home screen too, so you can say.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - I think it's potentially the start of that, right?

01:06:02 ◼   ► Like it's, like I could imagine maybe next year,

01:06:05 ◼   ► like we're gonna bring the great technology

01:06:08 ◼   ► of live activities together with widgets.

01:06:10 ◼   ► - Right, right. - But still gonna be

01:06:12 ◼   ► like only in these certain fields though

01:06:15 ◼   ► will be their start, I bet.

01:06:16 ◼   ► - So I wanted to put in a plug for Scriptable,

01:06:19 ◼   ► scriptable.app.

01:06:20 ◼   ► If you know or can learn or can bash around with JavaScript,

01:06:26 ◼   ► Scriptable lets you make your own widgets.

01:06:30 ◼   ► I have been, and I actually just wrote about this last week.

01:06:34 ◼   ► I want to talk about most of this stuff in a future episode about your experimentation with weather.

01:06:39 ◼   ► Briefly, I've been playing around with WeatherKit, the web API for WeatherKit. Now that I have an

01:06:44 ◼   ► Apple developer account and they released the WeatherKit API. And of course, I have a widget

01:06:50 ◼   ► that shows me my current weather and I realized, "Whoa, I could do a widget that shows me the

01:06:54 ◼   ► future." And I really love the weatherline widget and weatherline is dead. And it seems to have

01:07:00 ◼   ► gotten bought by Fox for Fox weather. And I thought, you know, I really, one of the

01:07:05 ◼   ► great things about weather kit is that weather kit is from Apple and is very much not reselling

01:07:12 ◼   ► your location data anywhere. And so I'm like, I'd really like to use weather kit to build

01:07:16 ◼   ► something like weather line. And it turns out somebody used a different API to do an

01:07:23 ◼   ► hourly weatherline like thing in Scriptable, which I took and changed to use WeatherKit

01:07:30 ◼   ► and to show daily instead of hourly. And it needs some work, but it totally works. And so now it's

01:07:37 ◼   ► showing data from my weather station and data from WeatherKit and charting it. And I just want to put

01:07:43 ◼   ► out a plug, like, because our audience has got a lot of technical-minded nerds in it. And for you,

01:07:50 ◼   ► mic I know it's a little bit much but I you know you've got friends who might be

01:07:54 ◼   ► able to help like if there isn't a widget to do what you want yeah you can

01:07:59 ◼   ► use something like scriptable and make it which is so great but like the idea

01:08:03 ◼   ► that you can just build your own widget I love it so I'm using it for for a

01:08:07 ◼   ► couple of widgets and I think it's great I recommend iPad status borders I think

01:08:11 ◼   ► to try out especially if you are you know like I know that there are so many

01:08:15 ◼   ► nerds that listen to this that like maybe bought an iPad and then weren't

01:08:19 ◼   ► sure what to do with it you know this could be something like and for me it's

01:08:25 ◼   ► like I feel like I've worked out as of today actually I do not own an iPad Pro

01:08:29 ◼   ► sold them both oh they're gone I don't need it right now now what I tell you I

01:08:36 ◼   ► did have this thought today I was using my iPad mini and I was like I know that

01:08:43 ◼   ► they're not gonna update this and I'm very confident that that next iPad Pro

01:08:48 ◼   ► is going to be tempting in some way or another. We'll see right? Like I think one of the things

01:08:54 ◼   ► I'm going to try doing in the meantime is like I might take this iPad home and try and use it the

01:08:59 ◼   ► way that I use my iPad mini. But man I love the iPad mini. It's so good to read on. It's so good

01:09:04 ◼   ► for video like and it's so small. I hope that they keep working on it. But yeah I don't I have the

01:09:11 ◼   ► iPad Air and the iPad mini and they are they are very capable for what I need to do and I think

01:09:17 ◼   ► I think they're great.

01:09:18 ◼   ► - We'll see.

01:09:19 ◼   ► I mean, it's a journey.

01:09:20 ◼   ► We're all on it.

01:09:21 ◼   ► We go in different places.

01:09:23 ◼   ► The thing about recording it and releasing it every week

01:09:24 ◼   ► is that people follow us on the journey

01:09:26 ◼   ► and can also remember back

01:09:28 ◼   ► when we were on a different journey.

01:09:29 ◼   ► I want to put in a plug for Pido,

01:09:31 ◼   ► which is a Python app that I have only used a little bit,

01:09:35 ◼   ► but also apparently does widgets.

01:09:37 ◼   ► So if you are a Python person and not a JavaScript person,

01:09:39 ◼   ► maybe I'll switch to that

01:09:41 ◼   ► 'cause I am not a JavaScript person.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Make your own widgets, people.

01:09:44 ◼   ► It's great.

01:09:45 ◼   ► And I love the idea of the status board.

01:09:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna try this some more.

01:09:47 ◼   ► Universal control makes it more interesting too, right?

01:09:49 ◼   ► That ability to set it over there.

01:09:52 ◼   ► And sometimes in your mental model,

01:09:54 ◼   ► you reach over and touch it.

01:09:55 ◼   ► And other times in your mental model,

01:09:56 ◼   ► you just slide that pointer over there.

01:09:59 ◼   ► - I've been doing exactly both of those.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Yeah. - All right.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Well, we'll have to check in.

01:10:03 ◼   ► We'll have to do status board status in the future.

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01:12:08 ◼   ► of this show and Real AFM. Summer of fun! Summer of fun! It is the day of independence. Fire up the

01:12:16 ◼   ► grill. I'm gonna be grilling some some some meats on the grill. Okay. Uh yeah for me I'm a meat eater.

01:12:25 ◼   ► Sorry if that uh disturbs you those who aren't. You can put other things on the grill. That's

01:12:30 ◼   ► - That's right, it's okay.

01:12:32 ◼   ► Fourth of July, Independence Day in America.

01:12:38 ◼   ► I am spending my morning on the Fourth of July

01:12:41 ◼   ► talking to a Brit.

01:12:43 ◼   ► - Hello.

01:12:44 ◼   ► - The, hello.

01:12:45 ◼   ► We declared independence in 1776 from your guys.

01:12:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's something that a lot of people still,

01:12:54 ◼   ► for some reason, continue to think is a very,

01:12:56 ◼   ► it's like very important to them.

01:12:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, 246 years later, like super hot, yeah.

01:13:02 ◼   ► - Wow, we did it!

01:13:03 ◼   ► Like congratulations, I don't care.

01:13:05 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:13:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:13:06 ◼   ► Coming up on 250, coming up on a quarter

01:13:09 ◼   ► of a millennium now, it's okay.

01:13:11 ◼   ► - No one thinks about it here.

01:13:13 ◼   ► - However, well of course nobody thinks about it there.

01:13:16 ◼   ► We all think about it here.

01:13:17 ◼   ► So I wanted to do something fun for the summer of fun

01:13:21 ◼   ► and fun for us as an American and an English person

01:13:25 ◼   ► on the 4th of July.

01:13:28 ◼   ► This is one of those things you say,

01:13:30 ◼   ► I think this is not gonna be fun for me, right?

01:13:33 ◼   ► - Well, we'll see.

01:13:34 ◼   ► We'll see, we'll see.

01:13:36 ◼   ► I would like to begin and we'll see how far this goes,

01:13:39 ◼   ► but I would like to begin because I was searching yesterday

01:13:41 ◼   ► for things I could test you on about America.

01:13:43 ◼   ► And you won't be surprised to find out

01:13:45 ◼   ► that what I actually found

01:13:46 ◼   ► were a bunch of dumb Buzzfeed quizzes.

01:13:48 ◼   ► - That doesn't surprise me at all.

01:13:50 ◼   ► - This is a Buzzfeed quiz that actually is credited

01:13:55 ◼   ► to the Senior Content Operations Manager of Buzzfeed UK

01:13:58 ◼   ► and a member of the Buzzfeed staff.

01:14:00 ◼   ► It is, would you, are you more British or American?

01:14:06 ◼   ► And I think it is intended humorously.

01:14:10 ◼   ► I think it is amazing.

01:14:11 ◼   ► So let's start out.

01:14:13 ◼   ► What would you rather drink, coffee or tea?

01:14:16 ◼   ► - Oh, I mean coffee, right?

01:14:17 ◼   ► I mean, I can see where this is going already.

01:14:19 ◼   ► Yeah, coffee.

01:14:20 ◼   ► - What would you rather eat, meatloaf or a beef roast?

01:14:25 ◼   ► Oh, beef roast.

01:14:26 ◼   ► Okay.

01:14:28 ◼   ► Here's, this is my favorite of all the questions.

01:14:30 ◼   ► Which beach would you rather visit?

01:14:32 ◼   ► Cornwall or Venice Beach?

01:14:36 ◼   ► Are you getting it yet?

01:14:37 ◼   ► Oh, Cornwall, because I've been to Venice Beach and it's not nice around there.

01:14:43 ◼   ► All right.

01:14:44 ◼   ► What landmark would you rather visit?

01:14:46 ◼   ► Stonehenge or the Grand Canyon?

01:14:49 ◼   ► Grand Canyon.

01:14:50 ◼   ► I'm sorry, Stonehenge, but...

01:14:53 ◼   ► Where would you rather spend a sunny day?

01:14:55 ◼   ► Hyde Park or Central Park? Central Park. All right. I love this quiz. It's literally

01:15:01 ◼   ► US or UK every single time. Where would you rather see a musical? The West End or Broadway? West End.

01:15:09 ◼   ► It's a shorter commute for you. I think it's nicer. I think the West End is nicer to be in

01:15:17 ◼   ► than Times Square, for example, and Broadway is spread out way more than the West End.

01:15:24 ◼   ► Emma pointing out Cornwall is not a beach. Indeed it is not, although it does contain many brilliant

01:15:29 ◼   ► beaches. And that answer is correct. All right, which cocktail would you rather drink? I'm a

01:15:33 ◼   ► little stumped on this one, so good luck. Cosmopolitan or porn star martini?

01:15:39 ◼   ► Oh, so a porn star martini is a passion fruit martini, by and large, which I think you pour

01:15:48 ◼   ► the vodka into. What is in a Cosmopolitan? Cosmopolitan.

01:15:54 ◼   ► I couldn't tell you.

01:15:55 ◼   ► Oh, Google's doing a thing. What is in, hold on.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Vodka, cranberry juice, lime juice, and triple sec in a cocktail shaker. So it says, "Bon

01:16:05 ◼   ► Appetit."

01:16:06 ◼   ► Mm. I'm gonna say Pawn Star Martini.

01:16:09 ◼   ► All right. How English of you? Okay. This is where I laughed out loud, legitimately,

01:16:17 ◼   ► when I saw this for the first time and I thought,

01:16:19 ◼   ► "Oh, I just am gonna do this quiz on upgrade.

01:16:22 ◼   ► We're just gonna do it."

01:16:23 ◼   ► What late night food would you rather have?

01:16:25 ◼   ► Taco Bell or a kebab?

01:16:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:30 ◼   ► The classic choice.

01:16:35 ◼   ► The classic choice.

01:16:37 ◼   ► Is it Taco Bell or a kebab?

01:16:39 ◼   ► - This is actually incredibly difficult.

01:16:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:46 ◼   ► because, you know what, I'm gonna say Taco Bell because,

01:16:51 ◼   ► okay, so this is a bad question.

01:16:56 ◼   ► I'll tell you why this is a bad question.

01:16:58 ◼   ► - Oh, this is a bad, yeah.

01:16:59 ◼   ► - No, no, no, this is a, generally the worst question.

01:17:02 ◼   ► - Among bad questions, this is a very bad question, yes.

01:17:04 ◼   ► - If you go to Taco Bell, it's not just one food,

01:17:07 ◼   ► like you choose from the Taco Bell menu.

01:17:10 ◼   ► - Exactly. - Now, if they're telling me

01:17:11 ◼   ► I can choose from a kebab shop menu,

01:17:13 ◼   ► well, now we're in a different realm.

01:17:14 ◼   ► Well it has to be a kebab though, it has to be a kebab.

01:17:17 ◼   ► It can't be any kebab but it has to be one.

01:17:21 ◼   ► Well look, because in a kebab shop you can just go in and get like chips.

01:17:25 ◼   ► Yeah, sorry.

01:17:27 ◼   ► Well in Taco Bell, like Taco Bell is not like, oh you can only get the tacos, like they do all kinds of stuff.

01:17:33 ◼   ► So I'm gonna say Taco Bell because I don't really like kebabs, especially from a kebab shop.

01:17:39 ◼   ► And in Taco Bell I feel like the Taco Bell answer is giving me more agency.

01:17:43 ◼   ► - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:17:44 ◼   ► You don't like kebabs especially from a kebab shop?

01:17:47 ◼   ► - Well, you can get like,

01:17:49 ◼   ► Donna and Sheesh kebab from like nicer restaurants

01:17:53 ◼   ► than like what would be considered like a,

01:17:56 ◼   ► I've had a beer and I'm going to a kebab shop.

01:18:00 ◼   ► It's like-- - Okay.

01:18:01 ◼   ► And at the kebab shop,

01:18:02 ◼   ► there are other things you'd rather order.

01:18:04 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:18:05 ◼   ► - Interesting.

01:18:05 ◼   ► What an interesting contradiction that is.

01:18:08 ◼   ► - Well, because I like kebab

01:18:13 ◼   ► from good places.

01:18:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:17 ◼   ► To me, the kebab in a kebab shop,

01:18:19 ◼   ► the meat seems questionable at best sometimes.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Uh-huh, yep.

01:18:24 ◼   ► And I don't want to do that.

01:18:26 ◼   ► So like, I would get like, just some chips,

01:18:30 ◼   ► especially because if I had had too much to drink

01:18:34 ◼   ► where I'm going to a kebab shop,

01:18:35 ◼   ► the idea of just like the carbs to help soak everything up,

01:18:40 ◼   ► that is good for me, right?

01:18:42 ◼   ► So, yeah.

01:18:44 ◼   ► All right. Which museum would you rather visit? The Smithsonian National Museum

01:18:49 ◼   ► of Natural History in Washington, D.C., or the Natural History Museum in London?

01:18:53 ◼   ► I mean, I haven't—I'm just going to say the Natural History Museum in London. I'll give you

01:18:59 ◼   ► a couple of answers for this. One, it's a fantastic museum. It has great exhibits. Two, it is across

01:19:05 ◼   ► the road from three other museums, so I don't know what the Smithsonian's got going for it.

01:19:11 ◼   ► - No, because this is the-- - It's got the entire--

01:19:12 ◼   ► It's like a whole, like, there's a dozen museums.

01:19:16 ◼   ► - Wait, which museum did you say?

01:19:18 ◼   ► - Natural History Museum in London,

01:19:20 ◼   ► Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History

01:19:22 ◼   ► in Washington, D.C.

01:19:24 ◼   ► - Why would they pick those two?

01:19:26 ◼   ► - They've decided you're gonna see old bones.

01:19:29 ◼   ► Which museum containing old bones would you rather visit?

01:19:31 ◼   ► - Wait, so this isn't the Natural History Museum

01:19:34 ◼   ► in New York?

01:19:36 ◼   ► This is a different one. - No, it's the one

01:19:37 ◼   ► in Washington, D.C., it's the Smithsonian National Museum

01:19:39 ◼   ► of natural history.

01:19:40 ◼   ► - Okay, 'cause the Smithsonian's multiple things, right?

01:19:45 ◼   ► 'Cause I've been to Smithsonian and it was something else.

01:19:47 ◼   ► - There's many, many Smithsonian museums in DC.

01:19:50 ◼   ► - Okay, so Zach, all museums in London are free to go into.

01:19:54 ◼   ► So giving me the free thing is not helpful.

01:19:57 ◼   ► They're all free here.

01:19:58 ◼   ► That was a comment from our Discord.

01:20:02 ◼   ► I'm still gonna go with the Natural History Museum in London.

01:20:07 ◼   ► - I mean, like the West End, it's close, it's convenient.

01:20:09 ◼   ► - It's not about the clothes.

01:20:12 ◼   ► I'm not assuming I have to travel, right?

01:20:13 ◼   ► Like I'm assuming that like there's something magical

01:20:16 ◼   ► and I'm just going there.

01:20:17 ◼   ► And it is because like the science museums right there,

01:20:19 ◼   ► I love the science museum, the V&A is right there,

01:20:21 ◼   ► the V&A is awesome.

01:20:22 ◼   ► So like I would choose,

01:20:24 ◼   ► I would choose Natural History Museum in London.

01:20:27 ◼   ► - Now this is the question that has split the US and the UK

01:20:29 ◼   ► for so many years.

01:20:31 ◼   ► And we're gonna settle it right here.

01:20:33 ◼   ► Which is where would you rather go shopping?

01:20:35 ◼   ► The Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia

01:20:38 ◼   ► or the lanes in Brighton?

01:20:40 ◼   ► - What?

01:20:41 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:20:43 ◼   ► Why?

01:20:45 ◼   ► - I think there's a picture here.

01:20:46 ◼   ► There's like, there's lobsters and meat and sausages

01:20:51 ◼   ► in Philadelphia.

01:20:52 ◼   ► And in Brighton, I don't know, there's things in Brighton.

01:20:55 ◼   ► There's people walking down the street in Brighton.

01:20:57 ◼   ► - This is absolute madness.

01:21:00 ◼   ► - It is, but you must answer

01:21:02 ◼   ► 'cause it's the upgraded 4th of July quiz.

01:21:05 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go the lanes

01:21:06 ◼   ► 'cause the lanes are fantastic in Brighton,

01:21:07 ◼   ► but like I don't have any context for these two things.

01:21:12 ◼   ► You need to give me this link to put it in the show notes.

01:21:15 ◼   ► - David in the chat room says it's amazing.

01:21:17 ◼   ► Oh, I will, I will.

01:21:18 ◼   ► I'm just preventing you from saying it.

01:21:19 ◼   ► - Maybe it is, but I'm gonna go with the lanes.

01:21:22 ◼   ► - What dessert would you rather eat?

01:21:23 ◼   ► Apple pie or sticky toffee pudding?

01:21:26 ◼   ► - Sticky toffee pudding.

01:21:27 ◼   ► - What chocolate would you rather eat?

01:21:31 ◼   ► - This is ridiculous.

01:21:32 ◼   ► - Hershey's Kiss or Cadbury cream egg?

01:21:34 ◼   ► - Would I prefer to eat good chocolate or chalk?

01:21:37 ◼   ► Hmm. Let me think about this.

01:21:39 ◼   ► You can't spell chocolate without chalk, okay?

01:21:41 ◼   ► Uh-huh. There is absolutely, like --

01:21:45 ◼   ► Sorry, America. Your chocolate sucks, all right?

01:21:48 ◼   ► I'm coming down hard on this one.

01:21:50 ◼   ► It's Cadbury's.

01:21:51 ◼   ► You can absolutely get good chocolate in America.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. And Hershey's is not chocolate.

01:21:55 ◼   ► I like Hershey's chocolate, but it's not chocolate.

01:21:57 ◼   ► Mostly we just get good dark chocolate.

01:21:59 ◼   ► I've had great chocolate in America.

01:22:00 ◼   ► Ghirardelli is fantastic in San Francisco.

01:22:02 ◼   ► I love that.

01:22:03 ◼   ► But, like, we're looking at this as, like,

01:22:06 ◼   ► - We will hold up these two, right?

01:22:08 ◼   ► Hershey's is the American, Cadbury's is British, right?

01:22:11 ◼   ► Like this is like the idea here,

01:22:13 ◼   ► even though like, you know, now the ownership is much-

01:22:16 ◼   ► - No, we gotta live it.

01:22:17 ◼   ► We gotta live our stereotype, it's fine, I get it.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Which holiday would you rather celebrate?

01:22:21 ◼   ► Which holiday would you rather celebrate?

01:22:23 ◼   ► Bonfire night or Thanksgiving?

01:22:26 ◼   ► Those are your choices.

01:22:33 ◼   ► why not go with 4th of July and bonfire night,

01:22:36 ◼   ► which are the closest.

01:22:37 ◼   ► - Well, that would fit most with the tenor of this quiz

01:22:41 ◼   ► to just have it be the most obvious American

01:22:43 ◼   ► and British things and make you choose,

01:22:45 ◼   ► but they've chosen Thanksgiving.

01:22:47 ◼   ► - Jason, I'm gonna say that this quiz is doing,

01:22:51 ◼   ► this is actually fitting this quiz of like,

01:22:53 ◼   ► here are two things,

01:22:54 ◼   ► they're not actually really that close.

01:22:57 ◼   ► - No, but one is American and one is British.

01:22:59 ◼   ► Okay, Thanksgiving.

01:23:00 ◼   ► - 'Cause Thanksgiving is fantastic for the food

01:23:02 ◼   ► And I don't like fireworks, right, in general.

01:23:05 ◼   ► - Okay, there you go.

01:23:07 ◼   ► Finally, finally, where would you rather

01:23:09 ◼   ► ring in the new year, Times Square or the London Eye?

01:23:12 ◼   ► - That's, I can't, that's not a question.

01:23:17 ◼   ► You can't be on the London Eye anyway, right?

01:23:21 ◼   ► So you're not actually on the London Eye,

01:23:23 ◼   ► you're on the bank. - I know.

01:23:24 ◼   ► I mean, it would be amazing if you were up at the top

01:23:26 ◼   ► of the London Eye while the fireworks are going off.

01:23:28 ◼   ► - But this is an easy one anyway, it's New York,

01:23:30 ◼   ► because London is trying so hard to have like,

01:23:35 ◼   ► we wanna be like Times Square.

01:23:37 ◼   ► And it's just not happening.

01:23:38 ◼   ► - We have reached the answer of the super difficult quiz.

01:23:41 ◼   ► You are more British,

01:23:43 ◼   ► although I think it was closer than you might expect.

01:23:46 ◼   ► And the quiz says,

01:23:47 ◼   ► all dressed in green with a cup of tea, you're a true Brit.

01:23:50 ◼   ► - Green?

01:23:51 ◼   ► - And then there's a gif of Mary Berry saying,

01:23:53 ◼   ► you should be very proud.

01:23:55 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:23:57 ◼   ► Wow.

01:23:58 ◼   ► That is,

01:23:59 ◼   ► I mean, that is, that's a terrible quiz.

01:24:04 ◼   ► Whoever wrote that, like,

01:24:05 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:06 ◼   ► I don't, there are so,

01:24:08 ◼   ► I just don't understand some of the comparisons.

01:24:10 ◼   ► Like, that didn't make any sense to me.

01:24:13 ◼   ► While some things were like,

01:24:14 ◼   ► oh, this is the analogous one to the other.

01:24:16 ◼   ► And then here is just like two completely random things,

01:24:19 ◼   ► but they're both like in a category.

01:24:23 ◼   ► - All right.

01:24:25 ◼   ► We're moving on to the British American English quiz now.

01:24:29 ◼   ► Oh. I don't know what that is.

01:24:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna give you a British English word

01:24:32 ◼   ► and you must give me the American English equivalent.

01:24:34 ◼   ► Oh my God.

01:24:35 ◼   ► All right, this is fun, okay.

01:24:37 ◼   ► Bonnet of a car.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Oh my, hood.

01:24:44 ◼   ► Correct.

01:24:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:48 ◼   ► Pack of cards.

01:24:50 ◼   ► Deck.

01:24:51 ◼   ► Correct.

01:24:54 ◼   ► Dummy.

01:24:56 ◼   ► Pacifier?

01:24:58 ◼   ► I didn't even know that one. Yeah. I didn't know you called those dummies. That's funny.

01:25:05 ◼   ► Uh, single ticket. I don't know. What? Wait, so this is in English it's single in like

01:25:16 ◼   ► in in British in English it is single ticket and I have to give you the American English

01:25:22 ◼   ► - What?

01:25:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's single with ticket in parentheses after it.

01:25:26 ◼   ► - I don't understand.

01:25:29 ◼   ► Can you write this down so I can see what it's saying?

01:25:34 ◼   ► 'Cause I feel like I don't even,

01:25:36 ◼   ► I don't know what it's actually asking me.

01:25:37 ◼   ► Single. - Okay, I did it.

01:25:39 ◼   ► - Single ticket.

01:25:40 ◼   ► Oh, Emma said it in the chat, but this is probably it.

01:25:45 ◼   ► I wouldn't have gotten up with this.

01:25:47 ◼   ► Is it one way?

01:25:50 ◼   ► - Oh, is it like a traffic ticket?

01:25:53 ◼   ► I don't even understand.

01:25:54 ◼   ► It is one way.

01:25:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is like a ticket on a train or a plane.

01:25:58 ◼   ► - Oh, it's a one way ticket on a, oh.

01:26:00 ◼   ► - One way ticket.

01:26:02 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:26:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay, I get this.

01:26:03 ◼   ► I wouldn't have gotten that.

01:26:04 ◼   ► Like I would not have gotten that, but yes,

01:26:06 ◼   ► it's one way or round trip or return or whatever you call it.

01:26:09 ◼   ► - Look, I'm just getting all these questions

01:26:10 ◼   ► from the internet that I don't endorse the quality clearly.

01:26:14 ◼   ► Q.

01:26:14 ◼   ► - Line.

01:26:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, stand in line.

01:26:20 ◼   ► Lift.

01:26:20 ◼   ► Elevator.

01:26:22 ◼   ► Boot of car.

01:26:25 ◼   ► Trunk.

01:26:26 ◼   ► Autumn.

01:26:29 ◼   ► Fall.

01:26:31 ◼   ► I prefer fall to autumn, by the way, just as a word.

01:26:35 ◼   ► So in the leaves, fall.

01:26:37 ◼   ► It is.

01:26:38 ◼   ► It's nicer.

01:26:39 ◼   ► That's one of the ones that I do prefer.

01:26:40 ◼   ► Biscuit.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Wait, now I'm confused again.

01:26:47 ◼   ► Am I giving you the American word for biscuit?

01:26:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, give me the American word for biscuit.

01:26:51 ◼   ► - It's what I call a biscuit, right?

01:26:54 ◼   ► So cookie.

01:26:56 ◼   ► - Cookie, yeah.

01:26:56 ◼   ► - 'Cause this is where like, this is where it confuses me

01:26:58 ◼   ► 'cause you have biscuits, but they're a different thing.

01:27:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, and caravan.

01:27:02 ◼   ► - Trailer?

01:27:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, you got it.

01:27:06 ◼   ► - Look at that.

01:27:07 ◼   ► I think there was only one I didn't get right, right?

01:27:09 ◼   ► Which is the single ticket one.

01:27:12 ◼   ► - And I'm gonna conclude with another stupid quiz,

01:27:18 ◼   ► Just really quickly,

01:27:19 ◼   ► where are you more likely to hear the sport shown here

01:27:24 ◼   ► in this picture, which I'll put in the Discord

01:27:26 ◼   ► 'cause it's very good.

01:27:27 ◼   ► You need to see it.

01:27:28 ◼   ► It's a video question.

01:27:30 ◼   ► - A video question?

01:27:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, there it is.

01:27:32 ◼   ► Or it's a picture question.

01:27:33 ◼   ► They call it a video Daily Double.

01:27:34 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:27:35 ◼   ► - Where are you more likely to hear that sport

01:27:38 ◼   ► known as soccer?

01:27:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:27:42 ◼   ► - Let me thank America.

01:27:44 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with--

01:27:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're correct.

01:27:46 ◼   ► Good job.

01:27:47 ◼   ► You don't need to see the image on gradient so you know what that is now.

01:27:50 ◼   ► No, multiple, it's a picture of soccer, football match.

01:27:53 ◼   ► What's the most common name for London's underground method of transportation?

01:27:56 ◼   ► Good news, Myke, it's a multiple choice question.

01:27:58 ◼   ► Excellent.

01:27:59 ◼   ► The subway, the metro, the tube, or the underpass.

01:28:04 ◼   ► Wait, oh my god.

01:28:05 ◼   ► Wait, so hang on a second.

01:28:07 ◼   ► Is this now a quiz for Americans about British things?

01:28:10 ◼   ► I don't know why.

01:28:11 ◼   ► Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

01:28:13 ◼   ► The tube.

01:28:14 ◼   ► with our British versus American English quiz, okay?

01:28:17 ◼   ► - Okay, okay, okay.

01:28:18 ◼   ► - I think the underpass, again,

01:28:20 ◼   ► I literally only read this quiz

01:28:22 ◼   ► because I wanted to give you the option

01:28:24 ◼   ► of choosing the underpass, the London underpass.

01:28:26 ◼   ► Everybody loves the London underpass.

01:28:28 ◼   ► - Do you know what an underpass is?

01:28:30 ◼   ► - I know what an underpass is in America.

01:28:32 ◼   ► What is it in the UK? - Yeah, it's the same.

01:28:34 ◼   ► It's when you go underneath like a--

01:28:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's like a street with another street

01:28:38 ◼   ► or something else underneath and you go under it.

01:28:40 ◼   ► - I wasn't sure if that was an Americanism too.

01:28:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I just, I love the idea that nobody knows

01:28:46 ◼   ► that it's called the tube.

01:28:48 ◼   ► - Or the underclass is small because it's underground.

01:28:51 ◼   ► - Literally they said the most common name

01:28:53 ◼   ► for London's underground method of transportation.

01:28:55 ◼   ► Like it's literally the underground, but they,

01:28:58 ◼   ► oh, this is a good one.

01:29:02 ◼   ► It's visual.

01:29:03 ◼   ► So people are just gonna have to trust me.

01:29:05 ◼   ► What is the shape called?

01:29:06 ◼   ► - Oh, wait again.

01:29:09 ◼   ► So I don't know who I'm answering as anymore.

01:29:13 ◼   ► In British English, what is the ship called?

01:29:14 ◼   ► - Rhombus.

01:29:15 ◼   ► - That's not one of the options.

01:29:17 ◼   ► You have to choose between trapezium, trapezoid,

01:29:19 ◼   ► a skew rectangle, or headless triangle.

01:29:22 ◼   ► - That's not a rhombus, it's not a rhombus.

01:29:25 ◼   ► Can you give me those?

01:29:25 ◼   ► Can you give me those again?

01:29:27 ◼   ► - Trapezium, trapezoid, a skew rectangle,

01:29:30 ◼   ► or headless triangle.

01:29:31 ◼   ► - I mean, honestly, I don't know.

01:29:33 ◼   ► I mean, it is a headless triangle, but I don't,

01:29:35 ◼   ► I've never known this to have a name.

01:29:38 ◼   ► - Okay, it is,

01:29:42 ◼   ► It is a trapezium in British English and a trapezoid in American English. Wow.

01:29:46 ◼   ► Well, I wouldn't even know.

01:29:48 ◼   ► All right. Which of these words is plural in British English but singular in American English?

01:29:58 ◼   ► Oof. All right.

01:29:59 ◼   ► Pants. Scissors. Glasses. Maths.

01:30:05 ◼   ► What am I answering?

01:30:08 ◼   ► Which of those is singular in American?

01:30:11 ◼   ► - Wait, so I don't understand the question.

01:30:16 ◼   ► - Pearl in English, pearl in British English,

01:30:21 ◼   ► but singular in American English.

01:30:23 ◼   ► So I would say, you know, I put on my pants today.

01:30:29 ◼   ► - Wait, so it's math, right?

01:30:33 ◼   ► - It's math, yes.

01:30:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay, I just didn't understand the question.

01:30:37 ◼   ► I couldn't work it out.

01:30:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:30:40 ◼   ► - Okay, and finally to wrap it up,

01:30:41 ◼   ► this is gonna be amazing.

01:30:42 ◼   ► In which color, I'm sorry, in which country

01:30:44 ◼   ► are you more likely to run into the following sentence?

01:30:47 ◼   ► He read chemistry at uni.

01:30:50 ◼   ► It's American, very American.

01:30:51 ◼   ► Sorry, we don't even need to answer that one.

01:30:54 ◼   ► Yeah, so that's, look, the other option was gonna,

01:30:57 ◼   ► I was gonna make you name all 50 states

01:30:58 ◼   ► and I'm not gonna do that, so.

01:31:00 ◼   ► - Do you want me to try though?

01:31:01 ◼   ► I mean, I'll get like 10.

01:31:04 ◼   ► Like I'll tell you right now.

01:31:05 ◼   ► - Okay, let's do it.

01:31:07 ◼   ► We're gonna do name as many states as you can.

01:31:09 ◼   ► Let's go.

01:31:10 ◼   ► - All right.

01:31:11 ◼   ► West Virginia.

01:31:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:31:15 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:31:15 ◼   ► - Why I started there.

01:31:16 ◼   ► - I don't know either.

01:31:18 ◼   ► - I think it's like my brain is like,

01:31:19 ◼   ► if I don't say where Casey lives,

01:31:21 ◼   ► he'll just murder me, right?

01:31:24 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:31:25 ◼   ► - Which actually I should--

01:31:25 ◼   ► - Casey doesn't live, just to be clear,

01:31:27 ◼   ► Casey does not live in West Virginia, okay.

01:31:29 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:31:30 ◼   ► - Virginia.

01:31:32 ◼   ► Yes, this is even better 'cause I got it wrong.

01:31:34 ◼   ► - Got it on the second try, good job.

01:31:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, but that's better

01:31:36 ◼   ► because he will be more mad at that.

01:31:38 ◼   ► The Macarons have been messaging you.

01:31:40 ◼   ► California.

01:31:41 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:31:42 ◼   ► - New York.

01:31:43 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:31:44 ◼   ► - North Dakota and South Dakota.

01:31:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, good.

01:31:47 ◼   ► - Oregon.

01:31:50 ◼   ► Washington.

01:31:53 ◼   ► Does DC count as a state?

01:31:58 ◼   ► - It's not a state.

01:31:59 ◼   ► - It's just a district of Columbia.

01:32:04 ◼   ► - Okay, uh...

01:32:06 ◼   ► Maine?

01:32:09 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:32:11 ◼   ► - Is Rhode Island a state?

01:32:14 ◼   ► - It is.

01:32:15 ◼   ► That's 10.

01:32:16 ◼   ► - Even though it sounds like an island.

01:32:18 ◼   ► Vermont?

01:32:20 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:32:21 ◼   ► Going to New England, folks.

01:32:23 ◼   ► - Tennessee?

01:32:25 ◼   ► Georgia? - Just left New England,

01:32:26 ◼   ► folks, yep.

01:32:27 ◼   ► - I'm all over the place, right?

01:32:30 ◼   ► Where else?

01:32:30 ◼   ► Where else do I know?

01:32:31 ◼   ► I need to think about who I work with now.

01:32:35 ◼   ► - Who you work with, that's a good clue.

01:32:37 ◼   ► - But now I'm like, who do I even work with anymore?

01:32:40 ◼   ► You know, I can't even think.

01:32:42 ◼   ► Texas?

01:32:44 ◼   ► - Texas?

01:32:44 ◼   ► All your exes are in Texas.

01:32:48 ◼   ► - No.

01:32:49 ◼   ► - That's a song.

01:32:50 ◼   ► - No.

01:32:51 ◼   ► I said California already, right?

01:32:56 ◼   ► - You did.

01:32:57 ◼   ► - Honestly, it'd be helpful if I could see

01:32:58 ◼   ► the things that I've said.

01:33:00 ◼   ► Is anybody keep a track of it?

01:33:01 ◼   ► - I can send you what you've said so far.

01:33:05 ◼   ► - If you could put them in our Google doc though.

01:33:07 ◼   ► Oh, you're keeping track of it.

01:33:08 ◼   ► All right, great.

01:33:09 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:33:10 ◼   ► You sit watching Oregon, California,

01:33:11 ◼   ► North and South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia,

01:33:13 ◼   ► Virginia, West Virginia, New York, Vermont,

01:33:15 ◼   ► Maine, Rhode Island.

01:33:16 ◼   ► Yes, you have a map.

01:33:17 ◼   ► - Hawaii, Nevada.

01:33:18 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:33:20 ◼   ► Great, thanks you for Hawaii.

01:33:23 ◼   ► - Florida.

01:33:29 ◼   ► Boy, what are those ones up the top there?

01:33:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:33:34 ◼   ► You know?

01:33:35 ◼   ► What are they doing up there?

01:33:37 ◼   ► You know, I don't know what they are.

01:33:40 ◼   ► - Think about some cities maybe

01:33:41 ◼   ► and what states they might live in.

01:33:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, so that's a really good tip,

01:33:44 ◼   ► but like I can't think of anything anymore.

01:33:47 ◼   ► All right, hold on.

01:33:48 ◼   ► What is that big square one in the middle?

01:33:50 ◼   ► What is that?

01:33:51 ◼   ► What are all these places?

01:33:53 ◼   ► Does anyone live in any of them?

01:33:55 ◼   ► What is it?

01:33:56 ◼   ► Wait, hang on.

01:33:58 ◼   ► It's coming to me.

01:33:59 ◼   ► No, it's not.

01:34:02 ◼   ► Hold on.

01:34:03 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:34:04 ◼   ► Okay, hold on.

01:34:05 ◼   ► Where's like Utah?

01:34:06 ◼   ► - Correct.

01:34:08 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:34:10 ◼   ► Ohio.

01:34:11 ◼   ► North Carolina and South Carolina.

01:34:23 ◼   ► - Very nice.

01:34:24 ◼   ► You gotta get those directional states.

01:34:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, why are there only, there's never the,

01:34:30 ◼   ► it never matches completely, right?

01:34:31 ◼   ► So it's just like, you don't do east and west,

01:34:35 ◼   ► it's just like north and south.

01:34:36 ◼   ► Hmm, it's like, what is that one near New York?

01:34:47 ◼   ► Illinois, I'm not saying it's the one near New York.

01:34:51 ◼   ► - It's not.

01:34:52 ◼   ► - But that came to me while I was thinking of that one.

01:34:53 ◼   ► - Where Chicago is.

01:34:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, I know that.

01:34:56 ◼   ► But like that came to me while I was thinking of Pennsylvania.

01:35:00 ◼   ► - Very nice, yes, correct.

01:35:02 ◼   ► That's the one near New York.

01:35:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:35:04 ◼   ► - It's one of the ones near New York.

01:35:06 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:35:07 ◼   ► 'Cause then, right, let me think.

01:35:08 ◼   ► What is there any places that I've been to

01:35:10 ◼   ► that I've not listed yet?

01:35:12 ◼   ► Probably, but which?

01:35:14 ◼   ► I said Washington already.

01:35:17 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:35:18 ◼   ► - Can I get an update of my,

01:35:19 ◼   ► oh, you've put it in there already, thank you.

01:35:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's a new update now.

01:35:23 ◼   ► - All right, I don't know if this is good to listen to,

01:35:25 ◼   ► but we've embarked upon this journey and I'm quickly running out of steam here.

01:35:30 ◼   ► I don't...

01:35:31 ◼   ► Right, you're almost halfway.

01:35:33 ◼   ► That's actually way better than I would have expected I would have done.

01:35:38 ◼   ► And I know I'm missing some, I'm obviously missing some glaring,

01:35:42 ◼   ► I've got some glaring emissions right now,

01:35:44 ◼   ► but then I know I've got some that like, who even lives there, you know?

01:35:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:35:49 ◼   ► I'm not going to say which one is which.

01:35:51 ◼   ► Yeah, look at the map, look at the map and maybe it'll inspire you.

01:35:54 ◼   ► -If not. -Okay.

01:35:58 ◼   ► -Now, there's two states next to each other

01:36:00 ◼   ► that look like they should be a pair,

01:36:01 ◼   ► but I bet they're not.

01:36:04 ◼   ► The ones next to Georgia. -Hmm.

01:36:07 ◼   ► -Like, that looks like that should be a pair to me

01:36:08 ◼   ► because they've got, like, some geographical --

01:36:12 ◼   ► -Yeah. -But I don't know.

01:36:14 ◼   ► -They're not. -No, they're not.

01:36:17 ◼   ► -Do you remember when we were in Memphis

01:36:19 ◼   ► and we were looking out across the river at a different state?

01:36:21 ◼   ► Do you remember what state that was?

01:36:23 ◼   ► Is that Arkansas?

01:36:24 ◼   ► - Yes, it was.

01:36:26 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:36:27 ◼   ► Louisiana.

01:36:30 ◼   ► - Thinking about the Mississippi River now, huh?

01:36:34 ◼   ► - Nope.

01:36:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:36:35 ◼   ► It was just the next one that came to my brain.

01:36:37 ◼   ► I don't know where that goes.

01:36:39 ◼   ► Is Minnesota a state?

01:36:46 ◼   ► - It is.

01:36:47 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:36:48 ◼   ► I always get it and Minneapolis mixed up in my brain.

01:36:52 ◼   ► Minneapolis is in Minnesota.

01:36:53 ◼   ► - I know, and I can never remember which is which,

01:36:55 ◼   ► or if one of them is the other one of the Twin Cities,

01:36:59 ◼   ► right, like a--

01:37:00 ◼   ► - St. Paul and Minneapolis are the Twin Cities.

01:37:03 ◼   ► They're both on the,

01:37:04 ◼   ► they're across the Mississippi River from each other,

01:37:06 ◼   ► and they're right next to North and South Dakota.

01:37:07 ◼   ► - Wait, is Mississippi a state?

01:37:09 ◼   ► - I've said it many times, and yes, it is.

01:37:12 ◼   ► - I couldn't remember if it was just a river or not,

01:37:14 ◼   ► you know?

01:37:14 ◼   ► - It is a river and a state, it's both things.

01:37:17 ◼   ► - I just wanna say for the record, by the way--

01:37:18 ◼   ► - You're 27, good job.

01:37:20 ◼   ► - I am doing better than this

01:37:21 ◼   ► than if you showed me a map of England.

01:37:23 ◼   ► I'll tell you that right now.

01:37:24 ◼   ► Should I name towns in England?

01:37:26 ◼   ► No, no, I couldn't.

01:37:28 ◼   ► It's just London.

01:37:30 ◼   ► I'm upsetting everyone today.

01:37:32 ◼   ► That's what I've decided I'm gonna do.

01:37:34 ◼   ► I'm gonna tap out here.

01:37:36 ◼   ► - Okay, 27 out of 50 in about six and a half minutes.

01:37:41 ◼   ► - What am I glaring?

01:37:42 ◼   ► What am I glaring omissions do you think?

01:37:44 ◼   ► - Well, I will go, I'm gonna go left to right.

01:37:47 ◼   ► But first we'll start on the bottom.

01:37:48 ◼   ► You got Hawaii, Alaska sitting right there in the little box.

01:37:53 ◼   ► Non-continuity.

01:37:53 ◼   ► Okay.

01:37:55 ◼   ► We mentioned the Grand Canyon earlier.

01:37:56 ◼   ► That's Arizona, which is right below Utah.

01:37:59 ◼   ► - I should have got Arizona.

01:38:00 ◼   ► - Right next to Arizona is New Mexico.

01:38:03 ◼   ► Right above New Mexico is one of the,

01:38:06 ◼   ► that square that's right in the middle there.

01:38:08 ◼   ► That's Colorado.

01:38:09 ◼   ► - Ah, yeah.

01:38:10 ◼   ► - Right above it is Wyoming.

01:38:11 ◼   ► - No, I wouldn't have got Wyoming.

01:38:12 ◼   ► - A little pointy thing to the left of Wyoming is Idaho.

01:38:15 ◼   ► - Wouldn't have got that.

01:38:16 ◼   ► - Above Wyoming and Idaho is Montana.

01:38:18 ◼   ► -Wouldn't have got that.

01:38:19 ◼   ► -Below South Dakota is Nebraska.

01:38:21 ◼   ► -Mm, maybe.

01:38:23 ◼   ► -Below Nebraska, that rectangle that's right in the middle

01:38:25 ◼   ► of everything is Kansas.

01:38:27 ◼   ► -Should have got that, I feel like.

01:38:29 ◼   ► -Below Kansas is Oklahoma.

01:38:31 ◼   ► -I should have got that, too.

01:38:33 ◼   ► -To the right of Kansas, above Arkansas, is Missouri.

01:38:36 ◼   ► -Wouldn't have remembered that.

01:38:37 ◼   ► -That's where St. Louis is. -Sorry, Missouri.

01:38:38 ◼   ► -Above it is Iowa.

01:38:40 ◼   ► -Wouldn't have remembered that Iowa.

01:38:41 ◼   ► Sorry, Iowa.

01:38:41 ◼   ► -To the right of Minnesota is Wisconsin.