423: Ultra Wednesday
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 423.
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Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Sourcegraph, Bombus, and Capital One.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Jason Snow.
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Hi, Jason Snow.
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- Hi, Myke Hurley. How are you?
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- I am fine and dandy, my friend, because it's iPhone Day.
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- It is. It's iPhone Day. It's Apple Watch Day.
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- It's Apple Watch Day. - And Apple Watch Day.
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- And it's Ultra Day.
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- This is Ultra Upgrade. - Ultra Day.
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- Welcome to Ultra Upgrade. - It will always be known
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from now on as Ultra Wednesday.
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- I have a #snowtalk question for you.
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- Okay, sure.
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- Comes from me.
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- I wanna know, Jason, where are you?
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- I think we have referred to this in the past
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as undisclosed location C.
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All I can say is this, I am somewhere deep,
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deep within the bowels, the ring.
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I am, I may be near Johnny Srouji's chip lab for all I know,
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but no, I'm actually in the ring at Apple Park.
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- You're in the ring at Apple Park?
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- I am in the ring at Apple Park.
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I'm not across the street on Tontow Avenue.
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I am in the ring in an undisclosed location.
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- That's not what I was expecting.
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- Yeah, nobody told me not to say that that's where I am.
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- I will say that answers a question that I had
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because so I knew we were starting around this time
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and I was like, where's Jason?
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So I open Find My and I was looking and I'm like,
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he's nowhere near where he needs to be.
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And then you appeared on this call that we've got going on.
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So, hey, thank you very much to Apple for hosting Jason.
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So we can have this conversation as soon as we can today.
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I would like to just start with a little bit of follow out
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and I want to talk for a moment about our St. Jude campaign
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because it's been going incredibly well so far
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and I wanted to spend a little moment
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talking about that, Jason.
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Okay, we've raised for St. Jude so far this year
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over $117,000 so far,
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which I'm just blown away by the generosity so far
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of the Relay FM community and various podcasts
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and websites and all that kind of stuff.
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Similarly, we've had, we've got currently, Jason,
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over 100 people who have signed up to fundraise as one of the sub-campaign fundraisers so far
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So it's really going incredibly.
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I would love our listeners to go to Relay, go to stjude.org/relay and give to St. Jude.
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Because look, I will borrow a line from my friend Casey Liss who talks about this on
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We're obviously about to talk about a bunch of products.
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That's what we're going to talk about today and we're going to talk about things we want
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to spend our money on.
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This is a fantastic place to give some money to.
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For the fourth consecutive year, the Relay FM community is rallying together to support
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the life-saving mission of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, which is finding cures
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and saving children.
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Since opening its doors in 1962, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital has grown in
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size and capability for one special reason.
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They believe that children all over the world deserve the same chance at survival.
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Treatments developed at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital have helped increase the
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overall childhood cancer survival rate from 20% to more than 80%.
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While tremendous strides have been made, 1 in 5 children diagnosed in the US will not
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survive and globally those numbers are reversed with 4 in 5 children in some developing countries
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not surviving.
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With limited access to high quality affordable medicines and the financial burden of research
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and care, these are hallmarks of the childhood cancer challenge that many developing countries
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face and also just this is just a horrible thing that no family should ever have to go
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through is their child facing death and this is why we come together to raise money for
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St Jude because during childhood cancer awareness month it is an opportunity for us to fight
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childhood cancer because together we can make a big impact.
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I want everybody to go to stjude.org/relay you can donate there and we have some wonderful
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gifts if you do. If you give $60 or more you'll get a digital bundle which includes a wallpaper
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and a Mac OS screensaver pack which I cannot wait to tell you more about. It was put together
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by a wonderful friend James Thompson. James did just an absurdly incredible weird and
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wonderful job and I can't wait for you all to see it. If you make a gift of $100 or more
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you get these and some stickers. If you sign up to fundraise so you'll be able to go out
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to your friends, your family, your colleagues, people you know, your communities online and
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get them to give to St Jude. If you raise $1 or more after signing up to be a fundraiser,
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you will get an exclusive St Jude limited edition of the Relay of Home Challenge coin.
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At $250 or more, you get a really weird and wonderful desk mat of mine and Steven's cartoon
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heads. It's bananas. Please go to stjude.org/relay to donate and find out more about fundraising.
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And don't forget to mark your calendars for September 16th for the 4th annual Podcast
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athon. That's from 12 to 8pm US Eastern Time. I'll tell you a little bit more about that
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on next week's episode.
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Once again, please, stgeo.org/relay
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to learn more and donate
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and let's cure childhood cancer together.
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Should we look at the draft results, Jason Snow?
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- I mean, if we have to, we have to.
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- You're not keen? - It was a momentous,
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look, Myke. - Yes, Jason?
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- It turns out that I could've,
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I would've had to get every question right.
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I would've had to have a perfect score.
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And nobody, nobody gets a perfect score.
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- Nobody gets a perfect score.
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- Except for you, 'cause you got a perfect score today.
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- One time, you're a big boy over here.
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- Oh yeah. - You eye check, Jason.
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- 10. - Only time
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this ever happened.
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- 10 for 10. - We've gotten close before,
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we both got to nine once.
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- The only thing you missed is the over under.
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- I know. (laughing)
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There was a moment where like-- - But it didn't matter.
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- It started to get towards the time and I was like,
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I was at that point very convinced I was gonna get the 10
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because of the "I only have one left" and I was like, "If something happens and I end up
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getting screwed on this tiebreaker..." Yeah, oh that would have been the saddest thing ever.
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No, so what I missed, because really we might as well just list the
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misses because that's all there is, I thought the prices would go up. Not Apple.
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Tim Cook's holding them down. No, isn't that a surprise? He's holding them down. And they made a note
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for each one to say the prices were staying the same. Starts the same.
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Because I think there have just been a lot of people believing that that was
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going to be the case and I think that they got to flex.
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They did. And also make that note that it's like, well, this is the same price
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because the Mini was cheaper, right? They're like, no, no, this is the same price that the
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the 13 price was for the 14. So I got that one wrong. I got new Apple Watch
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model is called Pro wrong, but didn't we all get that one wrong? We'll talk about
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that and we didn't we'd although I may be in it now we did not pay a visit to
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Apple's chip lab and so I got seven and you got ten.
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It was one that I thought I wasn't gonna get when in the Apple Watch segment they
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closed it out right and I was like oh I'm not gonna get that fitness plus.
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No new watch faces.
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Well there was the new watch face there was the oh because that came in the
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ultra I was always expecting that would be the ultra though I that was where I
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I thought they would do it.
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- You got it.
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- 'Cause it needed the new sensors.
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You know, like maybe there would be a body temperature one,
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but actually we'll talk about it when we get to it.
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The body temperature thing just seems very specific.
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They're using it not really for anything.
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- And new, and new Fitness+ features.
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- Just ended up being, oh and it'll work on your iPhone,
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which is great 'cause my daughter called me the other week
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and said, "I wanna use Fitness+, how do I do it?"
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And I said, "You don't have an Apple Watch so you can't."
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- That's interesting, right?
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- I texted her and I was like,
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you're going to be able to do that.
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So that'll be good.
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What do you think the situation with that is?
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Do you think that they're just wanting to expand it?
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So I guess this is going to be kind of like, you know,
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every device integrates with the Apple watch, even the Apple TV, right?
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So I guess that they're just going to say like, ah, don't worry about it.
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Yeah, I think that's, I think that's it. That they decided,
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now that they've launched it, that, um,
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maybe getting Fitness+ in front of more people is more important than tying it to the Apple
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I'm really intrigued to see how it translates because there are times, like in some of the
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Fitness+ classes that I've done, they reference the heart rate and they reference like, I
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mean, I guess the clothes in the rings just pops up, but they reference things which they
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show on the screen, like the burn rate and like where you are compared to other people
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and none of that's going to be, or the burn, but none of that's going to translate.
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But it's all non-interactive, right? So, I mean, yeah, they might, they may make reference
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to it or they may just take that out of the scripts going forward.
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Oh, hey, maybe a thing pops up and says, "You should buy an Apple Watch."
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Buy an Apple Watch, yeah.
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"You know what would be great for you right now? Buy an Apple Watch."
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That would be really fun.
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Anyway, congratulations. You were the, uh, you were the champion. I don't have to move
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my banner and neither do you. Our penance remain intact.
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I would have to check, but I think this might be the first time I've won two on the bounce.
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I don't think I've ever done that before.
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- Nope, I haven't. - Well done.
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- So I'm feeling-- - You're on a roll.
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- Not gonna lie, Jason.
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Feels pretty good.
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- Good, good, good.
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- You know how it feels.
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- I know how it feels.
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- You know how it feels to win. - I've been there.
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I've been there before. - Time and time again.
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But now I know how it feels. - You win some, you lose some.
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But it feels good to win.
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Yeah, it does.
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I want to start with what I think may have been the most surprising product
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or like the product that I feel like maybe we didn't understand in the exact way going into it.
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Apple Watch Ultra.
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I feel like that it begins the conversations around this product when we first heard about it
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from Mark Gurman began with this is an extreme sports watch, right?
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Yes, then we talked ourselves out of it then everybody did right I think including Mark Gorman then started talking about though
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This is a pro watch. No. No, this is a
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sports watch and Apple
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Multiple times caught it a sports watch the best sports watch like that's what they're going for here, right?
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Yeah, I'm curious about the dynamic that made the initial report successful
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Like he got it, right and that then everything after that was hedging and I wonder partly
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I wonder if it might have actually been a reaction to that report that everybody sort of like played it down because they didn't want
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People to get it completely right that it might have actually been like now, you know
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It's more complicated than that
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But the truth is that his report was right it and all of us sort of like talks ourselves out of it and started saying
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Oh, well, you know, but probably not it'll probably just be aspirational and they'll have those features
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But they won't really talk about it
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And that was the thing that struck me,
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just like it struck you,
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that the Apple Watch Ultra is unrepentantly, specifically,
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and I think learning the lesson of the original Apple Watch,
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focusing on the thing that it needs to be,
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which is a sports watch.
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And so it is, what is it, notifications and health?
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Like, those are the things that they figured out
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that the Apple Watch is good for.
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Well, you know, clearly one of the Apple Watch stories
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has always been about health and about sports
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and about activity and so why don't,
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and there's a sports watch category,
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so why does the Apple Watch only sort of like
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barely touch on the sports watch?
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So here it is, it is unabashedly a sports watch.
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And I love that the whole presentation was focused on
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Apple talking to the experts in the field
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about what they wanted out of it, right?
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So they get the guy on the boat doing his presentation
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about his dive computer app that's gonna be
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on the Apple Watch.
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And you've got the ultra marathoner,
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and one after the other saying,
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the message really is we talk to the experts
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and these are the features they want.
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And it's all in on sports.
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It's huge and it's funny 'cause it made sense at the time,
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but then we all just sort of like thought,
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"Nah, they're not gonna do that."
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And they, we'll come back to this,
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'cause there was a lot of that in this.
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I think a lot of the assumptions about this event
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were people underestimating Apple.
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- Hmm, all right, I mean, I'm excited to pick that apart
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as we go through, 'cause--
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- Big company, you know,
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one of the most successful companies in the world,
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and yet, somehow, I think, sometimes,
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we underestimate them, or we kind of blunt their
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we underestimate them or we kind of blunt their ambition
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and say, "Nah, they're not gonna do that."
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And sometimes they take big shots.
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- I think the thing that I've taken away from this
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is this really actually could have been called
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Apple Watch Extreme, because yes, it's the sports watch,
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but they really are,
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they're really pushing on the hard end of sports,
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because one of the things that I was intrigued about
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is going into this, like if it's gonna be a pro featured watch or a sports featured watch or whatever,
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how do they stack it up against the others?
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Where the whole promo for the Series A is focused around a guy running outside.
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So it's clearly like Apple Watch Ultra is not like now the only one that's going to be positioned as sports, right?
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Where this one, like all of the promo videos is like,
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"No, no, do you climb mountains? Do you run in deserts? Do you like dive under, are you a scuba diver?"
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But also, what I like about the way they do things,
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I find some of those watches to be really ugly,
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because they're built to be utilitarian.
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I've seen images of this thing,
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I've seen hands-on photos of it afterwards,
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it looks really cool.
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Did you get to see one?
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- It does, yeah, absolutely.
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It's chunky.
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- It looks chunky, yeah.
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- It's chunky, but the face is flat,
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And so in that it's very different from other Apple Watch.
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It's still recognizably an Apple Watch
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'cause it's got the curved corners, but its face is flat.
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And then, you know how like the digital crown
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from the very beginning has meant to be kind of,
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I mean, you can almost hear it in Jonny Ive's voice,
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imparts a bit of elegance of using the language
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of watchmaking in the Apple Watch, right?
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And it is, it is a fine kind of elegant control.
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You look at the one on the Apple Watch Ultra
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and it's like a gear or something
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or something out of a toolbox.
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It is chunky and heavy and it's just,
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it's the same word in a different language almost.
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And then the fact that they,
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and then the other button which is designed
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to kind of disappear is more prominent.
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And then there's the big orange button on the other,
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the action button on the other side.
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- Orange, it's all orange, right?
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No matter what color you get, that's always orange.
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- International orange, the Golden Gate Bridge color.
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- I love that color.
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All of the orange is definitely selling me on it.
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I have no doubt that Steven's freaking out.
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He loves orange too.
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And they mentioned, and it makes sense,
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like the crown and the buttons,
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they're meant to be operated even if you have gloves on.
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- Have gloves on, right?
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- Right, which I think is smart.
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- Because in a lot of these environments,
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your hands are covered.
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So yeah, that's really smart.
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Also, I don't think having a dedicated button
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for essentially user assignable or app assignable
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on that action button is a smart bit of,
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I think Apple learning about how people wanna use
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the Apple Watch and thinking about this context,
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but also more broadly, I was talking to James Thompson
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a little while ago about a watch app
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that I was thinking of, wondering why it doesn't exist.
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And one of the challenges is those buttons
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sort of have system functions for the most part.
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They scroll, but like to push in the crown
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or push in the button, it does system things.
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And I don't think apps are allowed to take them, right?
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- I mean, it would break, right?
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You'd never be able to leave the app.
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- You could never leave the app, right?
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So action button, there it is.
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It's like, well, this button,
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and they showed it with that dive computer
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that the action button does something in the app.
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Like obviously the app is written
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to support the action button for an action,
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which is really cool,
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'cause that's a thing that Apple Watch apps
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haven't really been able to do, legally at least, before.
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So, yeah, I love that this is,
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you know, it's a big chunky watch,
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and it does what it's good at.
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It's got a big battery,
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and then they've got their low-power mode
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that makes it an even longer-lived battery,
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and it's all good.
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- It's the David Smith mode, right?
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But they didn't really give any information about that.
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I don't know if you know anything more.
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- No, and there's low-power mode,
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and they didn't, they like,
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- It wasn't that. - They specifically didn't
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call it that, right?
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So I think that maybe there's a variation on that
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or something for the Apple Watch Ultra.
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- I mean, I expect that it has low power mode
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'cause it's in watch hours nine.
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I assume it has that.
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It probably gets like seven months of battery life.
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But they referenced like 60 hours of battery life
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with enhancements.
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I expect it is a kind of like adventure mode or something.
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- Adventure mode, yeah.
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- Where it's still more-- - Perhaps.
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- More functionable.
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I wanna, there's a couple of design--
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- More functional. - Yeah, that's a word.
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Don't worry about it.
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- Yeah, okay.
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- A couple of design things that I wanted
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to get your take on.
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So the screen is flat and the case comes up
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and surrounds it.
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What does that look like?
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It seems interesting.
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- I don't even know how to describe it.
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It's just a flat face and then it's got
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a titanium ring around it basically.
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And there's a little bit of a chamfer on the side
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and all that, but it's a really different look
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from one direction, right?
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Like the edges look very Apple Watch,
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but the flatness is very different.
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- 'Cause it's almost got like a camera bump look to me now,
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where it's like you've got the part
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and then it's like a shelf that sits on top of it, right?
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You know, like over the time our camera bumps,
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they get like little protrusions.
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It kind of has that kind of look to it in a weird way.
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- I mean, I'm sure they did a lot of sort of
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ruggedness testing too, of like what are the shapes,
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you know, what's gonna reduce the impact
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so it doesn't break and, you know,
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it doesn't smash on the side of it
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or on the front of it,
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just so that it can survive in these environments.
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Rocks, ice. - I saw a friend of the show,
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Quinn Nelson of Snazzy Labs tweeting,
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'cause Quinn's a big watch guy,
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and he helped me with a term, crown guard.
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So when something on a, when you have,
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'cause you've got the digital crown,
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has that bump, right, and the bump kinda goes around it.
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- Yeah. - It's called a crown guard
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in watch terms, so we have the phrase now
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for how to describe the bump that sits on the side now.
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Crown guard. - Okay, crown guard.
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- It has, all of them have cellular,
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which makes sense, right?
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For some of the stuff that they describe later on.
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And I think also just simplifies the offering.
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7.99, which I think,
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I'd actually, do you know what?
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I don't know what I think about that price, 7.99.
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I haven't thought about it until just now.
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I would not have guessed that it would be that low, honestly.
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I was thinking that this was gonna be a 999 kind of watch.
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Now we'll have to think about where it fits
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given its functionality and all of that,
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but I would have overshot on that.
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I wanted to mention the whole dual band GPS
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and on top of all that,
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that compass where you can set waypoints
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and there's a way back.
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So if you get lost,
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it's actually been tracking where you've been moving.
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- How cool is that?
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- And you can retrace your steps.
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- It's like the breadcrumb Apple Watch.
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- That's amazing, it is.
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- Hansel and Gretel.
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- Hansel and Gretel, Apple Watch, Hansel and Gretel.
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Another rejected name.
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Little bit long, little wordy.
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- I think that is a cool feature.
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And yeah, they've done some stuff
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that I don't really understand,
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but I believe them when they're like,
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they put new GPS stuff in there.
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The dense urban conditions was a really interesting idea.
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'cause I know this is something that I've struggled with.
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You're like in a big city and your iPhone just freaks out
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'cause it's not where you are anymore.
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So I really hope they bring this technology
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to their other devices,
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not just the Apple Watch Ultra in the future.
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The siren that they've put on the watch
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that you can hear from up to 180 meters away,
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which is powered by a bigger, louder speaker
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and they put three microphones on it, I think,
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so they can do some noise cancellation stuff
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if you're, as they showed in the video,
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climb in a mountain face and you need to call base camp.
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It literally said base camp on the watch.
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- Yeah, that was where he was calling was base camp.
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Yeah, I think the idea there too,
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that this is a watch that they think a common use case
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is gonna be out on its own without an iPhone attached to it
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using cellular and you have to use it to communicate
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and all of those things kind of follow from that.
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I was impressed 'cause this was what,
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45 minutes at the beginning of the presentation.
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I mean, the Apple Watch was not a footnote
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to this presentation and this particular model.
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I mean, the regular Apple Watch, we can talk about it.
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- We'll get to it, yeah.
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- There's not as much interesting in there.
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There are a few things, but this Apple Watch Ultra,
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they had so much, and I didn't feel bored by most of it
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because it was more like they kept piling things on.
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I lost a little focus when we went to the guy on the boat
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talking about the dive computer.
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- Yeah, just 'cause I don't understand
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what he's talking about, but it seems interesting.
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- And I started to wonder,
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do they shoot that out on a boat,
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or did they have him be in front of a screen
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and bumped him around there?
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'Cause he was being bumped around
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and he probably had to loop all his dialogue.
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I did take a moment and think about the filmmaking
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at that point.
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And Apple refers to this as a film, by the way,
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because Tim Cook came out on stage
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at the Steve Jobs Theater today,
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before the presentation, like he did at WWDC,
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and he said, "Good morning."
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- Good morning. - Good morning.
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And then he said something interesting,
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which was, and since you didn't see it, I'll tell you,
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it's been three years since the last event here,
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and we really miss doing these events.
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And, but he said, "We've made these films,
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"and we really like how these films are put together,
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"and how they get our product out there,
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"and we hope you enjoy the film."
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It was very much what I've been saying,
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which is, it's the director introducing the film
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at the film festival, and then, in this case,
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I think he might have even been in the front row afterward,
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but then we just watched the film, as it were.
00:25:01
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But I thought it was very, very impressive,
00:25:05
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and while the Apple Watch Ultra,
00:25:09
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a name that they've been using,
00:25:10
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that they use with the M1 Ultra, right?
00:25:12
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So it's been flowing out there,
00:25:14
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and it's a superlative, right?
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You could call it extreme,
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but Ultra is sort of like, this is the most.
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So it was in the palette, and so they chose to use it.
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I think it's an interesting product.
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not necessarily a product that I'm personally interested in,
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but I love, it is the antithesis
00:25:29
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of that original Apple Watch presentation,
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if you think back, right,
00:25:32
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which was very much like, what's it for?
00:25:35
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Well, I mean, anything.
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And this is like, this is what it's for.
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Like, this watch was born for a purpose.
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And I love products like that, that know what they are.
00:25:46
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Yeah, this is the most focused of any Apple Watch, for sure,
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of what it's made for.
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They even made three new watch bands to go alongside it,
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and they're named very clearly.
00:26:01
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Alpine Loop, Trail Loop, Ocean Band.
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If you can't work out what they're meant for,
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they can't help you.
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But they look cool, though.
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I love the look of the Alpine Band.
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And I think I did see, Jason, that these
00:26:15
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will work on the larger of the two existing watches.
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And if you have bands, they will still fit on these.
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But they might not match up exactly,
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but that's kind of how that's gonna work.
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What I'll say is, I am really intrigued to see one of these.
00:26:35
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I'm really intrigued to put one on.
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It is, I do not believe this is my
00:26:43
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everyday aesthetic for what I'm looking for in a watch.
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Now I could imagine there are times where this would look really good with some of the
00:26:54
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clothes that I wear.
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Especially with some of the orange pops and stuff like that.
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I just think that wearing the right set of clothes would look really good.
00:27:04
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What I like about my current Apple Watch, and I use the gold stainless steel, is it
00:27:09
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looks simple enough in a regular day, but I can dress it up.
00:27:14
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I feel like this watch is going to be difficult to dress up.
00:27:18
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I think it will always scream what it is.
00:27:21
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But if you are, you know, like this really does feel to me,
00:27:25
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similar aesthetic to the G-Shock,
00:27:28
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which is what we've been talking about for a long time in that it is big and it
00:27:31
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is bulky and you know what it is when you see it and you can't hide that.
00:27:36
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But you can, it looks cool if that's what you're into.
00:27:40
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Let's be honest. If you invite an ultra marathoner over to dinner,
00:27:43
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even if they dress up, you know, they're an ultra marathoner.
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And they want to tell you too, so this is the easy way for them to tell you.
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You could be like, "Oh, that's a big watch."
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You're like, "Oh, yeah, I need this watch because..."
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- They used it to run across the Sahara Desert.
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- Because when I run across deserts, I need the battery life, you know?
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- It's an easy...
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If you are an ultra marathoner, congratulations, you know I have a new way to tell people.
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- I use this to orient myself out of a snow blind situation where I had to go back to my base camp.
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I called my base camp.
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I keep them in my contacts list as Basecamp.
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- Just, well I mean, Casu hasn't got their Basecamp
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in the contacts list.
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If you're gonna call Basecamp,
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why would you not put them in the contacts list?
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- Why would you not?
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- The one last thing I did wanna mention,
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I just thought it was interesting.
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The Depth app that they've worked on,
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that they partnered with an existing company to do that.
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I just think that's really interesting.
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But I think that it's not,
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I don't think it's called,
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they referenced it as like a Depth app,
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but I don't think it,
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just they worked with this company called Oceanic Plus to integrate this new thing and
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it's like really well done it looks like. Yeah the app is Oceanic Plus from
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Jewish Outdoors right? But it looks very appley in its design I think it looks like that I
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really do believe that this was a... oh there is a depth app okay so I've gotten that confused
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I'm looking at the Apple Watch Ultra page now. Oh there's two yeah it automatically
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uses the depth app and then there's Oceanic Plus which is the dive computer. Yeah. Dive
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app from a third party. Cost unknown.
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So super cool. Super super cool. Yeah so that $7.99 order today. Some products were ordered
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That wasn't the only Apple Watch.
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Not at all. Not even close.
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Not even close. There was the Apple Watch Series 8, which... There were points during
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the presentation where I couldn't work out if they were telling me there were
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new features to the watch or not. Where they were telling me what the Apple
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Watch Series 8 could do and what it was good at and the features that it had and
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I was like "uh... does it not already do this?" I was very confused for quite a bit of this.
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- That happened with the iPhone too,
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but definitely there's a,
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like they ran that commercial basically.
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It's a film within a film if you will.
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And they did the, it lists like,
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hey, you're doing stuff with your Apple Watch.
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And you know, it included the new features
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along with all the other things that it does.
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And I understand that when you're trying
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to communicate the product,
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on one level you want to communicate
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the totality of the product.
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Whereas we're kind of like interested in what is new
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in the new one that you're introducing today.
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And so we got with the regular old Apple Watch,
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there's not a lot here.
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It includes a feature that is, it turns out,
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is spanning the Apple Watch and the iPhone,
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which is the crash detection,
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which is following on from fall detection
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in the Apple Watch.
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They now have across the watch and the iPhone
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this crash detection idea
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because they've built in a new,
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It's like a new gyroscope, new accelerometer,
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a barometric sensor, and they built it together
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where it can basically determine if you're in a car crash
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using a machine learning model.
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And it will, so previously, if you fell while running
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with an Apple Watch, it would do this.
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Speaking of somebody who fell while running
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with an Apple Watch.
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- How does it time with the iPhone?
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- The iPhone has crash detection too.
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- But like, so if I had a crash
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and I just had my iPhone in the car,
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it would also do the same thing?
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- Yes. - Okay, that's interesting.
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- Yeah, same feature. - 'Cause obviously,
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full detection's not on the iPhone.
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- Yeah, right, but same feature for this,
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and it looks like they've put the same sensors
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in both devices, so crash detection
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is not an Apple Watch only feature,
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it's also an iPhone feature.
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But it was first introduced here.
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Better battery life, low power mode,
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again, that they're doing--
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- But these are WatchOS 9 features, right?
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Like that was also interesting. - Exactly.
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- There was like a lot of WatchOS 9 features,
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"Oh, hey, you can do low power mode."
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Series four and later.
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Cellular now will support international warning,
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series five onward.
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- International roaming.
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- There we go.
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- If you need to roam, you can roam.
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- But it did get a new sensor.
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And this was--
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- It did, the temperature sensor.
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So, so, remember what I said about how Apple
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doing new sensors in the Apple Watch is a delicate balance
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of what it's allowed to make medical claims about
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for FDA reasons?
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Well, I think what's interesting here
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is what they're allowed to talk about
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and what presumably they either aren't allowed to talk about
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or weren't satisfied that the results were worth it.
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Because what we didn't get is,
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let's say you're running a fever, we'll warn you.
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It's just not claimed at all.
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This is a feature that has been very specifically limited
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to cycle tracking and retrospective ovulation estimation.
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And I wanna say so often the tech industry gets criticized
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because the perception is, and I think the reality is,
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it's a lot of men making decisions about features for men
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and not for women.
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And so to see a major health feature in the Apple Watch
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that is dedicated to ovulation and ovulation estimation,
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I think is interesting.
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I think it's an interesting milestone
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in terms of doing this.
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I also think it's interesting because, okay,
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I don't know the backstory of this feature
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and this sensor and the probably years long attempt
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to get this in an Apple Watch,
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but I wonder, is this what they initially thought
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would be the banner feature,
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or did they try and try and try
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to get a temperature sensor in the Apple Watch,
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and in the end, this was the thing
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that it was capable of actually using it for, right?
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Like this is the one where they're like,
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well, we can check, you know,
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'cause when we were having kids, it was, you know, temping,
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like she said in the presentation,
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it's temping to figure out when the ovulation is
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and all of that, and like,
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well, we can do that on the Apple Watch.
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That's awesome, but part of me thinks,
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was that always all you were looking for was that?
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I mean, great if it was, but there are other things
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you could probably do with a temperature sensor too
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that are not claimed here.
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But this is cool.
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I remember, I mean, my kids are in college now, right?
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So I remember thinking back to the Excel spreadsheet
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with temperatures in it that we had 20 years ago,
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and I think this is pretty awesome.
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- But even within what it can do, it seems limited,
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at least from the way they described it.
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And you have to wear it at night to benefit from this.
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- It is, it is an overnight feature.
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They're metering you every five seconds overnight,
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which is, yeah, clearly, 'cause what they said is,
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although it's interesting
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'cause it's got the two temperature sensors,
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so it's trying to reduce the noise
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of the temperature of your environment
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and remove that from the equation.
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Like, are you in a hot room or are you in a cold room?
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What's the difference between the temperature
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at the top of the watch and the bottom of the watch?
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That's interesting.
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But then overnight, they feel like that's when
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you can get the best guess about what your kind of
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actual resting body temperature is,
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not during the day.
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So you have to wear it at night
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in order to do this tracking.
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- But that seems like a potentially,
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and I would love to know otherwise,
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a limit of the sensitivity of the technology, right?
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- Yeah, I think they must have tried it.
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Again, I'm just assuming here,
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I am assuming that they tried it to work all the time
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and found that there was too much noise during the day.
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- Yeah, and whilst very useful
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for those trying to have children, or otherwise,
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to understand ovulation is really important.
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Retrospectively is helpful for planning,
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but it's not like, "I want to know right now,"
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or like, "I want to institute this in the morning every day."
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- Yeah, yeah, no, it's very much like,
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again, what's the story there,
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and are they not allowed to do it,
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or is it that they tried that,
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and they thought this is not reliable?
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And do you wanna be, do you wanna be the,
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blamed when you say, okay,
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I think you might be opulating now,
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and like, well, my Apple Watch said I was,
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so I don't know.
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- But what I will say about this,
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this has been, I think, my hope is they learned
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from the blood oxygen sensor,
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because the blood oxygen sensor also came with a bunch of caveats.
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And really the story was, "Hey, you can do this!"
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But with no link between what it might be actually realistically useful for,
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and this, whilst caveated, is useful.
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Because you can use this along with the other things you're doing
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to track ovulation as another data point.
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- Yeah, and to track the menstrual cycle
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and notify first cycle deviations,
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which is also a useful health feature.
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It's all good, it's all good.
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You're right, the rollout is tangible in that way.
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And this is a claim that can be made, which is great.
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I just-- - I'm happy for it.
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- With all of these features,
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I'm curious about what the story is behind their conception
00:39:26
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and then, no pun intended,
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and what finally gets put out there,
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and if there are features that died along the way
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because they weren't, you know,
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that there was too much noise or it was unreliable.
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And I'm, on one level, like you,
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I'm glad to see that this actually came to pass
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because otherwise you end up in a situation
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where it's really awkward and you're like,
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well, we have a sensor, what does it do?
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- So I'm, if, 'cause I know we've been hearing about this
00:39:56
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a while, if they've maybe held off on this so they could do this with it, then great.
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Because even if not perfect, this is a feature.
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You know, it's like in the same way of like the ECG, you know, you can't use it in place
00:40:12
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of every other type of ECG available, but it can give you useful information.
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On that, by the way, taking a slight turn, Apple love to do their like stories, right?
00:40:23
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Like these were extreme.
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guy falls into a garbage truck, a bear breaks into the living room. Oh my god, these are
00:40:31
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getting a lot more than they have been in the past.
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I love that they're all introduced and you can't see them, you can only hear them, and
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the one guy's whispering.
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Yeah, I was like, what's that about? I'm intrigued.
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And the answer is, there's a bear is the answer. There was a bear in there. Also, the filmmaking
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there where they're like, hey, woman who was in a plane crash, we're going to make a set
00:40:55
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of a crashed plane and put you in it to sell an Apple watch. How do you feel about that?
00:41:00
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I was wondering that myself. How does she feel about that?
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Any post-traumatic stress from that incident or we all good here? You know what I mean?
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Like how you feeling? But, and that one also was introduced halfway through, right? It
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wasn't introduced in the beginning. They knew the hit they had on that one. I will say,
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I do like every time one of these starts, I'm like again, and then when it ends, I'm
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That was real good.
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- Yeah, no, I really liked that a lot.
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Although my favorite filmmaking craft note will come,
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I think comes later in the iPhone
00:41:35
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where there's an amazing,
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it's almost like the child of the home set happened.
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Did you notice that one?
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- Where there's the subway
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and the jackhammer man and the cafe.
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Well, that was in the iPhone presentation, right?
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- Or was it AirPods? - No, AirPods.
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AirPods, that was AirPods Pro.
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- It was AirPods, okay.
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That was, I love that.
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I wanna point it out, if people didn't notice,
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it starts with those fun pans where like,
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oh, she's in the subway,
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but now she's stepped out of the doors of the subway
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and she's in an alley with a jackhammer guy behind her.
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And I'm thinking, that seems a little artificial, I wonder.
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Again, I'm thinking about the filmmaking.
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And then she steps into the cafe and I said,
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well, this is very stylized and artificial, but it's fun.
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And then she steps out of the cafe forward
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and she's on a stage and it pulls back
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and you see the three things and they're both,
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they're all in like boxes in a set behind
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where she's standing.
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And I thought it was so, I thought that was so clever
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to call out the artifice of it.
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So I guess Tim Cook is right, it is a film.
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All right, fine.
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- There have been a few people in our Discord,
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which is a member's Discord.
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You can get access to it.
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If you sign up at getupgradeplus.com,
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you also get longer ad-free versions
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of every episode of Upgrade, including this one.
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- Including this one.
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was like, surely they're actors
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in the Apple Watch presentation.
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I know two people personally who wrote those--
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- Been in those. - Been in those.
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And we had an upgrade listener, so three.
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- Yes. - Remember there was that time?
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We mentioned it, 'cause Kyle, friend of the show Kyle,
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was in one, and then somebody else wrote in and said,
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that was me too, so three. - That was me.
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- In the past, they've used the real people.
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And I will say-- - Yeah, those are real people
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Some of those did not feel like actors' performances.
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So I think they're the real people.
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And honestly, I feel like that's the way you should do it.
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Like if you're going to read real people's stories,
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you should give those people the ability
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to tell their stories.
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And they do that.
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And I like that they do that if they're going to do it.
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So I think that's Apple Watch Series 8.
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Order today, shipping on the 16th.
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I will tell you, Jason, I'm actually pretty happy.
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I don't want a new Apple Watch.
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I'm not gonna, I'm not planning on upgrading.
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- That's fine.
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- There isn't, but I'm happy about that.
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I think I've said this before,
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it's actually something I want from the Apple Watch,
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that they do enough to get me every two to three years.
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I don't want or need this to be replaced every year,
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and so I'm pretty happy about it.
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But Adina's on a Series 4, and she's like,
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I really want one.
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So like, perfect.
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'Cause I've been wanting to upgrade her anyway,
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because I think she would benefit
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from the always-on display,
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'cause I think it makes a huge difference
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to wearing the watch frequently.
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And these features, she's like, I want one,
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so we'll go in with that.
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Apple Watch SE.
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- They redid it, everybody, they redid it.
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- I think, for me, they've done it.
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Now, Myke Hurley has been a staunch critic
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of the Apple Watch SE, 'cause at $329,
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which I think it was before, if I'm right.
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- $299, $299 was $299. - $299.
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- Too expensive.
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- And the Series 3 was $199, right?
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- Yep, it's now $249.
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- It's about $8,249 for the second generation.
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Same system and package as the big Apple Watch.
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- The Series 8.
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- So you're not really, you know,
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but it's the older display.
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- It was $279 before.
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- So it's cheaper.
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But even though I would love to see it at 199,
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like that's the number I want them to hit,
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249 for a brand new Apple Watch of any description,
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I think is good.
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I think that's fine. - I agree.
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And it's a more advanced,
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like the display is more advanced.
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Like it's better in a bunch of ways
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where it doesn't feel like,
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obviously, and they mentioned the kid thing.
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And there was just a story,
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I think in the New York Times about this,
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about kids with Apple Watches.
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And like, that's a thing, that's a real thing.
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And they get a lot of these that are like that.
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So that you want the cellular model,
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but they obviously did some work
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to get the price down a little bit.
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Presumably that nylon composite on the back
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might be part of that,
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but it allows it to match the colors a little bit more
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and good to see it.
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Glad to see it's there
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and that Apple seems to be comfortable at 249
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as the base of the Apple Watch.
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They said 80% of Apple Watch SEO,
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and it's the first time Apple Watches makes sense,
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especially if they go to the younger people.
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It includes motion sensors for crash detection,
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so it has all of that.
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What it still doesn't have, and I will say,
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to Apple's credit, they have a key differences
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on their comparison page now to show you what differs
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very specifically between the models that you're suggesting,
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that you're looking at.
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Things it doesn't have, which I think are big things,
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doesn't have the ECG app and some of that kind of stuff.
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It just does high heart rate.
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Um, I don't think this is born, but it doesn't have the blood oxygen sensor,
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but the biggest one, which I am actually pretty disappointed about is no always
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on display. Right? Like I think the 249,
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there should be an always on display,
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but I will say now 249 for something that's brand new,
00:46:56
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I think they've hit a good point,
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but what they don't have anymore is a sub $200 Apple watch because the series
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three has gone away and they are not keeping around the original se.
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at all in the line up. So the Apple Watch line up starts at "New SE" and that's it.
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Which is interesting right? Yeah, love it.
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Let's talk AirPods Pro real quick.
00:49:09
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Um, they put a new chip in it, uh, combined with some new drivers.
00:49:15
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They're apparently saying it's vastly better, uh, audio quality.
00:49:19
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Yeah, I did not test this out because there was a long wait and it was in a loud room.
00:49:24
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I guess I got the text, the noise canceling a little bit, but I want to hear it for myself
00:49:28
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to find out, but they did say the quality was better.
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High bandwidth, I don't know exactly,
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I mean, did they go into specifics?
00:49:38
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So they're really just like high bandwidth connectivity,
00:49:40
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and you know what that means,
00:49:41
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and then did they make any claims beyond that?
00:49:45
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Like spatial, did they talk about lossless
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or higher bit rates or anything like that?
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They just said high bandwidth connectivity.
00:49:51
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- On the pages either about that.
00:49:53
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- So more to come there probably is my guess
00:49:56
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is that there was a feature
00:49:57
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that they were not ready to talk about,
00:49:59
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so they didn't talk about it, but it's implied.
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Big thing though is the precision finding, right?
00:50:06
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So like, I believe you can precision find the case
00:50:11
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and the individual earbuds, which is great.
00:50:16
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Like you can go in to find mine,
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it's like where's the left earbud, it's over there.
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I think that's the case.
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And the little speaker, so your case will chirp too
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and let you know where it is.
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So, you know, bring it to the Apple TV remote next, but.
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- Two more features on the case.
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They put a lanyard loop thing in there, right?
00:50:34
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- But Apple doesn't make a lanyard.
00:50:35
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The company Incase make a lanyard,
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and Apple have two or three of them available on their store.
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I think it's weird to put the holes on the case
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and not make a lanyard yourself.
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- It's a little weird.
00:50:48
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- It seems like quite a strange thing to have done
00:50:50
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to then just have one third-party manufacturer
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available for these things right now.
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- I mean, they know that literally everybody in the world
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will make a lanyard case.
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- Yeah, and admittedly, there are already lanyards
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made by everyone, right?
00:51:02
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- In existence, there are lanyards.
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- But it still was just a funny thing to me
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that they did that.
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The case now as well, you can use an Apple Watch charger
00:51:09
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to charge it, yes!
00:51:11
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- It means that any of those combo chargers
00:51:14
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that have an Apple Watch charger now,
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that is also an AirPods Pro case charger.
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Yeah, that's a nice little extra.
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- So you can use the travel duo thing that they have,
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and even if you don't have an Apple Watch,
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can benefit from it. I just think that's really cool. It's like a good thing to
00:51:28
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have and it means that companies don't have to make the three charger thing
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anymore they can just make a two charger thing. And the thing that we've
00:51:36
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been asking for since the very beginning, capacitive sensor so that you can
00:51:43
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actually run your finger up and down to do volume control. That's something that
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everybody's like, "Why don't you make it like a trackpad?" And they're like, "Mmm, you know
00:51:51
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we think you should tap on the side of your head." And then later they're like,
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"We think you should squeeze, that's what you should do."
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And now it's like, "Okay, you can squeeze and stuff,
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"but you can also just run your finger up and down
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"and do a volume control."
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That's pretty cool.
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- I'm intrigued about that because I remember
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when they went from AirPods to AirPods Pro,
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I stopped thinking about that
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because I felt that the stems are too small now.
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- And yeah, somehow. - So I'm really intrigued
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to see what that feels like.
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There is also an extra small ear tip.
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Great, if you have tiny ears, right?
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That's good.
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- Good for tiny ear people.
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- Oh, and the active noise cancellation
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seems to have been vastly improved.
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- Yeah. - Double the amount before.
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I'm really intrigued.
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- I'm very much interested in the part that they're doing
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with their own tech.
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And then they seem to suggest that the,
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sticking it in your ear, that seal is part of it too.
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So they work together.
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But yeah, I love AirPods Pro and I use mine all the time.
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So I'm really looking forward to trying this out
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and seeing how they actually sound and feel.
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- During this part of the presentation,
00:52:53
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that there was a cameo from Heli from Severance.
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- Yeah, I got that one. - Walk getting on a train.
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- Didn't win the draft for me, but Heli,
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and at the end, she comes back.
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At the very end of the credits,
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she flickers into and out of existence.
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- It's her standing on the train platform.
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Of all of the shows--
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- Did you notice the train's info board?
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The train is on an infinite loop.
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That's the train line, it's the infinite loop,
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and the next stop is the Milky Way Road.
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- Okay, that's weird.
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- It's in the galaxy there, yep.
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- I will say, of all of the TV shows to have a cameo,
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Severance is an odd one.
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We had, me and you had spoken about this, I think,
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about the idea of them going down the floor
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and they go past the Severance floor.
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Did we talk about this in last week's episode?
00:53:40
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- We did, because there was the idea that
00:53:43
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Stephen Colbert had done his Severance thing,
00:53:46
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and they were filming, and so maybe there was an opportunity
00:53:49
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to do something there.
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That's not what they did, but if you look at Apple's TV app
00:53:54
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right now, like the two big things that are promoting
00:53:57
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because they're the Emmy nominees,
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are Severance and Ted Lasso.
00:54:01
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So Severance gives them something that's not Ted Lasso
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to talk about. - And also,
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Severance is the new darling, right?
00:54:07
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Because-- - It is.
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- Because Teddy, he's done this year apparently, so.
00:54:10
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- Ted's going out the door, but Severance is coming back.
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- And also, you know, like I think,
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Severance has had the most recent popular acclaim.
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Ted Lasso season two didn't have a strong popular acclaim
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as season one did.
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- No, it's the hot new, hot new thing.
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Let's talk about the iPhone.
00:54:28
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Hey, here we are, we got there.
00:54:30
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- Can you believe it?
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iPhone 14. - We got 50 minutes
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to talk about the iPhone now, let's do it.
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- iPhone 14 and 14 plus.
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- 14 plus, yeah, it's plus club.
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Plus Club is back. Plus Club has reopened its doors. A club that I was never a member of.
00:54:49
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No. Uh, you were, I mean, obviously we knew this was gonna happen, but this is the end of the road for Mini.
00:54:56
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How you feeling?
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I mean, I've had two years to prepare, I feel like, for this.
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And the answer is, that's why I bought one last year, is because I knew it was the last one.
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Both get a little bit of extra battery life, that's like an important thing right off the top.
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and the 14 Plus because of its size
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and I guess the feature that it has,
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it is the biggest battery in an iPhone ever
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or like the longest lasting battery in an iPhone ever,
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which makes sense really.
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- In the 14 Plus, yeah.
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The A15 Bionic chip is powering it all.
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- Weird, right? - All right.
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- The way they said this. - Okay.
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Correct me if I'm wrong,
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but I was under the impression that the iPhone 14,
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or yeah, the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro
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were powered by the A15 bionic chip,
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and there was only one, and that was the chip.
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The way it was pitched in the presentation was,
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I think, aspirational for the future of the iPhone,
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which is what they didn't say is,
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this is the same chip that was in the iPhone 13 line.
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They said this is the chip that was in the iPhone 13 Pro.
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- Now going forward, I suspect this is what will happen.
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- Is that the Pro chip will next year be the regular chip
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and then the Pro gets the new chip.
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- But that didn't happen this year.
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But they acted as if it did.
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- Which is just amazing and fascinating.
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But yeah, it's the same chip.
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It's the same chip, same chip.
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- Yeah, 'cause they said this was the chip
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in the iPhone 13 Pro.
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- It was, and it showed me the lock.
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- And also the iPhone 13.
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- And also the iPhone 13.
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Yeah, in fact, it was the iPhone 13 Pro
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introduced this amazing chip that you already know,
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'cause it was also in the iPhone 13.
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Yeah, that was a head scratcher for me.
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Like, I admire their commitment to the bit,
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but I think that is an aspirational thing.
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Like, look, what are you gonna say?
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We didn't change the chip, so emphasize the positive.
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So that's what they're gonna do is their chip.
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Actually, the part that they did
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that I thought they would do, and I'm glad that they did,
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is the part where they said, we're way ahead.
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We're so far ahead that the competition
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hasn't even passed the iPhone 11 yet.
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That was a fun little shot at the competition.
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And the truth is, if I look at this,
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the fact that they're taken a year off
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from the chip development in the lower end iPhone,
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it's almost like reaping the rewards of being so far ahead.
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Like you're so far ahead that you can stop
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and take a break for some of your phones,
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if not all of them, and they're still gonna be ahead.
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They're still gonna be great,
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and I think that's what's going on here.
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- Okay, the Discord's very excited,
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and so I must address this before we also,
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so people can close their Twitter apps too.
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This chip has the five core GPU
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that the pro version of the chip had.
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So they were the same chips.
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- So that's the difference.
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That's the difference is that they bend the number of GPUs.
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- Yes, but realistically, let's all agree
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that one GPU core, you're not gonna feel it.
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Like, just so we all can agree here
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that yes, you're technically correct,
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but ultimately this is the thing.
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I think as well as the chip, we are seeing now,
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you were alluding to this for sure,
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of like maybe we're gonna get a bit more
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of this going forward,
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because they talk about improvements to the camera,
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and a lot of the features referenced on the camera
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were features that were in the previous Pro models,
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like sensor shift, optical image stabilization,
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faster aperture and better low light performance,
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autofocus on the front-facing camera,
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like this is stuff that came to the Pro phones before.
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- And now it's being rolled down.
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- Very excited about this.
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I didn't notice it during the presentation,
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but a friend of the show, One Two John,
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John Voorhees mentioned it afterwards on Twitter,
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Apple now calls the wide camera the main camera, finally.
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We've been calling it main camera for a long time
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because it's just clearer and they're doing that now.
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Deep Fusion got a shout out.
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- And I was hoping--
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- It didn't just get a shout out, Myke,
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it went further up the pipeline.
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- I was hoping we would hear about Deep Fusion today
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because they would say no more Deep Fusion.
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- No, no, no, no.
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It is now a part of the photonic engine.
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- The photonic engine. - However,
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the way they describe the photonic engine
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seems to do what I am looking for,
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which is more detail, brighter colors.
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Because I think deep fusion darkens images.
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And so I am excited about this new thing.
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- They brought it up the pipeline.
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- They brought it up the pipeline.
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And when you bring it up the pipeline, color.
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- And it's trying to solve perhaps
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the problem that you had with it.
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- Yeah. - By doing that, I think,
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I just wanna say, I don't envy the marketers
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who have to describe something like this, right?
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Because what they're really saying is,
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we changed our photographic pipeline
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and the way we process multiple images in order to,
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and like, they have to invent things like deep fusion
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and the photonic engine.
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They've gotta explain in a sort of vague
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but sort of understandable way to regular people
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what exactly it does.
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And when, you know, the alternative would be,
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it's better, okay?
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Like, it's just, it's better.
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Just, that's it, it's better.
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And instead they're trying like photonic engine
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and we're, you know, we branded it
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and we move it up the pipeline
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and it improves the low light and, which is great.
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I mean, we'll have to see it.
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- I like that they brand a thing.
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Now there's a new brand,
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which includes the old branded terms.
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- The old brand.
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- And then in like four more years,
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the photonic engine is gonna become a part
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of ultra tele pro and then, you know.
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- Yeah, exactly right.
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And don't forget, we also got a new mode, action mode.
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- Action mode.
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What do you think's happening with this?
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- Which is just a stable,
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it's more aggressive anti-stabilization, anti-shake stuff,
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but it seems to be something that they put in a mode
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or a toggle to turn it on and off.
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- I could imagine it maybe zooms in the image a bit,
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so you get some play with the--
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- Yeah, something like that is probably what's going on.
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- And they're saying, so you don't need to gimbal anymore.
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It's their whole thing, right?
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- Yeah, but you wouldn't want to use this all the time.
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This is something you turn on
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because you know you're gonna be doing this.
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So there are obviously trade-offs involved.
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Like you said, maybe they're zooming in
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or something like that, but it's there.
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- I will say with the photonic engine thing,
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it was something that they kept mentioning,
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which is interesting, it applies to all of the cameras.
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All of the cameras get this benefit, which is cool.
01:01:41
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- Yeah, 'cause it's the pipeline.
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It's happening within the image pipeline that they built.
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It's all, it's further up.
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- All US models, eSIM now.
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- Of this, yeah, eSIM.
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- This was the introduced in the we love eSIMs segment.
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- Interesting.
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- And I'm sure it's good for Apple
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because they get rid of the SIM tray
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and they don't have to engineer that
01:02:03
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and they don't have to cut it out of the side of the frame
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and they don't have to leave space on the inside
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and have a SIM reader or any of that stuff.
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It makes me uneasy just because I still use a SIM card
01:02:13
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because I keep transferring it to different phones
01:02:15
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that I'm reviewing.
01:02:16
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So that's interesting.
01:02:18
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- So I looked into this a little bit.
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- Apple has a support document.
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As part of the quick setup thing,
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you're able to transfer the SIM card that's in a phone
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to an eSIM on a new phone.
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- Which is sort of interesting.
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- The only things that give me hesitation
01:02:34
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are things that are more about me
01:02:36
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than they're about the regular person, right?
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'Cause for me, it's like,
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well, if I wanna try four different phones,
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now I have to transfer my eSIM to that phone
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and then transfer it to this one.
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And how many transfers and does my carrier get upset
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that I'm transferring my eSIM around or do they not care?
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Maybe they don't care, but I'm always worried
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that they're gonna say,
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"Oh, this guy's changed his eSIM 10 times,
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"so we're gonna flag his account," or something like that.
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But I think I'm just gonna have to give up
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and embrace the eSIM now.
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'Cause SIM cards are dumb, right?
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SIM cards are stupid.
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We shouldn't have them anymore.
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- It's like, why should we ever,
01:03:10
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yeah, we shouldn't have them anymore.
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- And I have a similar thing to you.
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I'm like intrigued, 'cause, so,
01:03:15
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these iPhones come out when I'm in Memphis,
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at a podcast-a-thon, I'm going to try and get an American phone. I will have to see
01:03:23
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if I can transfer my British eSIM to an American phone. Who knows, right? We'll find out. I'll
01:03:30
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let you know how it goes, Jason. We can talk about it. But, you know, I want to get one.
01:03:35
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So far out, Myke. Far out. Far out, baby. Far out. The answer is, after a year, literally
01:03:43
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this was the rumor for last year's iPhone event after a year of rumors the
01:03:50
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satellite emergency feature emergency SOS by satellite is true it's true mm-hmm
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it's all true it's all true baby and it's great I know we've talked about it
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before but the idea is when you're out of service and something bad happens
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that's really bad yeah and so they've made this thing and I like how they
01:04:09
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talked about look it's complicated because we don't have the big antenna so
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we have this user interface where you have to point it
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at the satellite and it's, you know, on the inside,
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it's like the range, it's doing the,
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what's the strength of signal from the satellite.
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And I used to have satellite TV and I remember being up
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on my roof trying to point the dish in exactly the right
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place to hit the satellite.
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It's kind of like that, you know, keep moving,
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keep pointing at satellite once you lock it in
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and you hold it there and it can take less than 15 seconds
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in clear sky, but in light foliage,
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it might take a few minutes.
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It's a very low speed transfer,
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but it means that you can send an emergency message
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or using Find My, share your current location via satellite.
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And I think this is great because again,
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it's gonna save lives.
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We know that already.
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Next year, we'll have the emergency SOS via satellite
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saved my life video montage of real people.
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- You're gonna get a combo.
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Someone's like fallen down and they're on a mountain
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and they couldn't call base camp because they've fallen over.
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or crash detection, they're gonna be out on the outside
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of cell service and they crash into a tree
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and it calls and it uses the satellite to do it.
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I also thought it was really interesting that they talk
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about having to compress the text 'cause they're really,
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really limited with what they're able to send
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across the satellite from an iPhone, right?
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All the way out into space, that's hard.
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And that on top of that, they built basically a wizard
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that walks you through identifying
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your current emergency situation.
01:05:38
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And that's super smart because that allows them to boil it down to the exact details in a way that
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is a very, very short amount of data that's being sent over the satellite. And then on the other end
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is being translated back into the report of where they are and what the situation is. And then they
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said that they've got it where those get sent as text messages to places that accept text messages
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and places that have a live operator,
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they have an operator who will relay the message via voice
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from your message to the emergency.
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Like it's really well thought out.
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It's so smart.
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It will save people's lives.
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And this leads me to my question, which is,
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how, this is a service.
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I was listening to Accidental Tech Podcast
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from last week while I was driving down here.
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And they were talking about this
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and it struck me, this rumor.
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I thought, this is a service.
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And you can't,
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you can't really say if you don't wanna die
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out in the middle of nowhere, pay us a fee, right?
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Like that's a hard sell, right?
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Like, hey, this new iPhone has this life-saving feature,
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here's what it costs for us to save your life.
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And yet it's a service you can't not,
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I think, charge for it ultimately,
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because this is a, you know,
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they're using a satellite provider,
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they're doing all the satellite data transfer,
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it can't be cheap.
01:07:04
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So what they did, and I was really impressed with this,
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is they did a free for two years with purchase.
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So you get this for your iPhone for two years with purchase,
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presumably at that point you're gonna have to pay something
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to keep it going.
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But if you're a new iPhone buyer--
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or it's a part of iCloud Plus or something like that.
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- Right, but it's not gonna be an upsell where it's like,
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congratulations on spending $1,000 on your phone,
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would you like to not die out in the wilderness?
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That'll be an extra whatever.
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No, it's covered for two years.
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I think it's an interesting solution to that problem
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of that this is totally a service,
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and they could have said, pay us for this service up front.
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If you want satellite emergency SOS, you gotta pay us,
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and that's not what they did,
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and I think that's a great move.
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And it really is something that not everybody's gonna need, right?
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Like, lots of people, sure, but lots of people, not so much.
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I feel like, depending on where you live in the world and what you might get up to, I don't know.
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But nevertheless, it's quite a morbid thing to think about, but it is really interesting to build features into your products
01:08:18
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that are designed to help you not die as a selling point?
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- So I, yeah, and that's what I mean
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when I say the challenge of how do you use something
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that is gonna save you from dying,
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but has a real cost, right?
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Apple has had to make a deal with this satellite company
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and build this whole system.
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And it's not just the cost of building the software
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and stuff, it's the ongoing cost of connecting
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to their satellite network.
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And that's a real cost because satellites aren't free.
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You gotta shoot them up there.
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And then they're up in space.
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And if they come down, you gotta have a replacement
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that you can switch to.
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And it's expensive.
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But yeah, it's really unpleasant to have to juxtapose
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the idea that there's life-saving technology
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and pay up dead beats, right?
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Like you don't wanna do that.
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So what do you do?
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And so making it the free for two years
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is I think it's a pretty interesting and good compromise.
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I think, I mean, the argument is,
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maybe not everybody needs this thing,
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but I think that's not, maybe I'm wrong,
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but I think that's not true.
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I will tell you that we had to drive up to Oregon
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for Julian's college orientation.
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And then we were just in the Eastern Sierras
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over Labor Day weekend.
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And you're streaming music and then it stops
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and you realize that you are out of service.
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like you're in the mountains, you're around Mount Shasta,
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or you're going through the mountains in Oregon,
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or you're going through Yosemite,
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and sometimes you've got service.
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I mean, I would be surprised,
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'cause then a notification would pop up,
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and I'd be like, "Oh, we're back in service for a moment,"
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and then it would go away again.
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Like, if you live your life at any point
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in a place like that, and you hear these stories
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about people who are like,
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just they're going through the mountains
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on the way to see grandma,
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and their car breaks down and they don't have service.
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Like what do you do in a situation like that?
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And the answer is you tell your kid to stay in the car
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and the snow's coming down and you try to get to the road
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and if somebody's coming, you flag them down
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or is nobody coming and 'cause they closed the road
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but you were the last car through.
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I mean, it's terrifying.
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So this is, and our smartphones are so important
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and they're such an important part of our lives.
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So to have this be built into every iPhone
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and have it be free for two years after you buy that iPhone.
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Yeah, I'm really glad that they went to the trouble
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of building this feature in because there's a difference
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between buying a fancy survival radio
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that you carry with you in the back country
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and just getting stuck somewhere with your iPhone.
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- So we mentioned already that these devices
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are sticking in price, $799 and $899,
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both available to order this Friday.
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The iPhone 14 is shipping September 16th.
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The iPhone 14 Plus is the sacrificial iPhone.
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It's not shipping until October 7th.
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This is the only phone that has been dated this way.
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I expect it's like, we have,
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here's my thinking on this, right?
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Who knows, right? - Okay.
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- We have a limited amount of parts
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that we can use amongst the phones in general.
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- Priorities.
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- Let's put this on the phone
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that does not already have a direct model, right?
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Because they don't, you know,
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where they don't want to go for a period of time
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where they're not selling a certain phone
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or they do it today and it's like weeks and weeks
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and weeks away and then they're like,
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well does that mean nobody's gonna buy an iPhone,
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regular iPhone for a long period of time?
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This phone is not replacing something technically.
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There isn't an iPhone 13 plus.
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So they've just decided this is the one
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that will go into October.
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Because what could be part of this phone specifically
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that is a problem part is how I look at it, I don't know.
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Yeah, I think it's priorities, you're right.
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iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max.
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- Oh yeah, it's time to go to a special island.
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I call it the Dynamic Island.
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This is exciting.
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I am incredibly hyped for this phone.
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- You know what's not exciting about this phone, Myke?
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- The color.
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- Oh yeah. - The color is not exciting.
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- I don't like the purple, Jason.
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- I've seen the purple.
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- Tell me about it.
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- It is, remember when I said Apple would find a way
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to make purple not exciting?
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- No. (laughs)
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- It's, you know how the midnight laptop,
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it's like, oh, it's black.
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And then you look in exactly the right line,
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you're like oh I see I see it's blue this is like that it's like hey it's a
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gray phone and then you're looking right and you're like oh I guess it's purple
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so they really should have caught this Twilight then as a listener recommended
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they should have right except except they didn't do midnight and starlight
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because those aren't professional colors instead we get silver gold deep purple
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and another space black what does that another space black why space gray but
01:14:31
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- But if space gray was already not a defined color.
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- Why do we need space black?
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Why can't it just be space gray?
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- I don't know.
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- How black is space black?
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'Cause it looks kind of gray to me.
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- Apple has decided that the iPhone Pro
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should not come in fun colors, even as an option.
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It should just have sort of like
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really super standard colors.
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Okay, but deep purple like midnight forest
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and darkened seascape and, you know,
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again, 2 a.m. lemon.
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These are all just terrible colors.
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- I mean, look, ultimately I'm happy I don't have
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to just to make a hard decision to move away
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from my beloved gold and gold looks as amazing as ever,
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so I'm going gold.
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- Deep purple, I mean, I like purple.
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I like that it's purple.
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Let's go to the dynamic.
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- This thing looks amazing.
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Have you gotten to see it in use?
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- Yeah, yeah, in use I used it.
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So here's the thing.
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We base so many of our stories and speculations
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on rumors from the supply chain
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And the rumor from the supply chain was about the cutouts.
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So everything was about the cutouts.
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It was about the little lozenge and the little dot
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and it was cutouts.
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Apple's gonna have cutouts in their display,
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like a hole punch.
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It's gonna be like an Android,
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they're gonna have little hole punch things, whatever.
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And then last week it was sort of like,
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oh, but maybe they'll be connected.
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And then over the weekend it was like,
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oh, and maybe the little recording indicator light
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will be in there instead of somewhere else.
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And if you're somebody at Apple,
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if you're a fly on the wall at Apple,
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you're like, oh, they're getting closer.
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They're getting closer.
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Are they gonna get it?
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Are they gonna figure it out?
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And the answer is no, they didn't get it.
01:16:03
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It was an actual surprise because what Apple did
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with the Dynamic Island, I think it's so funny and clever,
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is they took the existence of those cutouts
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and the idea that they would mask it with a little element
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and they designed a whole bunch of status indicators
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around that element, that that element grows and stretches
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and the items that appear in the indicators
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are artfully placed not on the cutouts.
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And it's like, you can, in bright sunlight,
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you can see the cutouts, right?
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You can see them.
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But most of the time,
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you forget that the cutouts are even there.
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And instead, the little dynamic island
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is just your little buddy
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who gives you information about stuff.
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And it's not marring your display.
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It's an always on information bar.
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So smart and clever.
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little whimsical animations everywhere to make it wider or taller as needed.
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So yeah, you're in music and you're playing music and then you
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flip up to go to the home screen and as you flip up to the home screen a music
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widget, essentially for lack of a better name, flips up into the dynamic island
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and it sits there with a little tiny, teeny tiny thumbnail of the album art
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and a dynamic waveform that is color matched to the album art by the way and it's not fake,
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it's real. And you know Myke, the answer here is this is why live activities weren't coming
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in iOS 16.0 and they said they were coming later this fall is because I think these are
01:17:39
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basically live activities. They go together. I was hedging but like it was very clear in
01:17:46
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the moment, it's like, oh, this is what, this is the other part of what the Live Activities
01:17:50
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API is, is this display. And so, yeah, it's like a huge change in the iPhone interface
01:18:00
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to have a live status area that's available no matter what you're doing that says what
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else your iPhone is doing and integrated in a way that is funny and playful and natural.
01:18:13
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So the proof is going to be in how it is to use, but in a short amount of time with it,
01:18:20
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like I'm inclined to think that this is going to be a winner. That they took the bear problem
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of those two cutouts and instead of doing something, doing nothing or doing the minimum,
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which is masking them out and maybe putting a dot back there, they said, "Why don't we,
01:18:36
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in a very quintessentially Apple way, why don't we lean into it and make this a fundamental
01:18:42
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iPhone interface element that is part of our identity going forward for the iPhone.
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Really excited about it.
01:18:47
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And that, there was a confirmation from a friend that just showed Serenity Caldwell.
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It is part of Live Activities and Activity Kit.
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It's not available in the release candidate right now, but will be coming to iOS 16 and
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Xcode later this year.
01:18:59
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So when the iPhone ship, it will only be Apple's, it will only be Apple's apps and services
01:19:05
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in the Design Make Island.
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And then later on this year, you'll be able to see third party apps when the Live Activity
01:19:12
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these things ships, it's all kind of tied into that.
01:19:15
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The always on display got very little time and information.
01:19:20
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- Yeah, yeah, it is, I got to play with that too.
01:19:23
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It looks good.
01:19:25
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I think it's funny that again, so,
01:19:27
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remember when I said earlier in this episode
01:19:30
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that I think people underestimate Apple?
01:19:33
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- Well, here are a couple other examples,
01:19:35
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which is the Dynamic Island,
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everybody underestimated Apple and figured they'd just,
01:19:38
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you know, patch it up with some pixels and call it a day.
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do that. They leaned into it. Always on display I think is in that category too
01:19:46
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because I think everybody just like we did where we said oh that it's gonna be
01:19:50
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an Apple Watch Pro and they're not gonna lean into the sports features I think we
01:19:52
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said oh well you know let's get let's curb our enthusiasm let's get our little
01:19:56
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let's not get our hopes up it's probably gonna drop out the images and it's gonna
01:20:00
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be really kind of a very boring thing because they want to save power and it's
01:20:04
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like no no if you've got a colorful background picture when it's in always
01:20:09
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on mode, it's still visible. It's dimmer and they are doing some algorithms to reduce what
01:20:17
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is displayed so that it draws less power on the OLED display. But it's not like everything
01:20:23
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fades to black and with some very light gray items. The widgets are monochrome, but your
01:20:31
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background is not monochrome. It's still there. And like the Apple Watch, it will drop out.
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I set a timer and then put it into always on mode and it did the Apple Watch thing where
01:20:42
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it doesn't show you the rest of the seconds.
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It only shows you the minute.
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It's like, come on, you're refreshing once a second.
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Refresh the second hand, please.
01:20:51
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But yeah, it's way more vibrant for, again, a dimmed display, but it's way more vibrant
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and personalized.
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They're not throwing that stuff away.
01:21:02
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Now that you've personalized your lock screen, good news, we're making it all disappear when
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and it's always on.
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And then you tap and it all kind of lights up.
01:21:11
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- Yeah, this is a feature I feel like I really need
01:21:14
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to use myself as well to like fully understand it
01:21:16
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because it's not, it is very different to what I expected.
01:21:19
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Like I can't work out how bright does it feel?
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Like, and again, like we're saying like,
01:21:24
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what do you do with it at night?
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Like I'm intrigued about that.
01:21:27
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- And it depends on, I think it probably depends
01:21:30
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on your light environment, right?
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Like I would imagine that it's actually brighter
01:21:33
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when you're outside and dimmer when you're inside,
01:21:35
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but it does and it's got a little,
01:21:37
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it's got a little animation, like literally you tap it
01:21:40
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and it fades up, right?
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It doesn't just blink or anything.
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It fades up into the full presentation mode.
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Again, a little bit like the Apple Watch.
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Clearly, this was all a lesson learned
01:21:51
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on the Apple Watch applied to the iPhone,
01:21:54
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but it looks good.
01:21:55
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- It has an A16 chip?
01:21:58
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- Yes, new chip, no chip lab,
01:22:01
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but Greg Joswiak gave us the plug
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And I'm just gonna point out,
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this is the next generation Apple chip,
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which means it might be the next generation
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on which the M3 is based for the Mac.
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at some point.
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It's their first four nanometer chip.
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- That's the key part though, right?
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Like if it does become, or even if this doesn't,
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but now we can see what, okay,
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probably the M3 will be four nanometer at least, right?
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or whatever way we do it.
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I think really for me, the only thing that I noted,
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which was interesting, is as a new display engine
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on the chip, which is powering the always-on
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dynamic island's anti-aliasing.
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So there's something going on there.
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- They didn't make a lot of speed claims here.
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I do think that they focused on,
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they did talk about the high power cores are more powerful,
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and they use less power.
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And then the efficiency cores,
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And the truth is those four efficiency cores,
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the iPhone is not using the high performance cores often.
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- It is not interesting or enlightening,
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I think at this point to hear about the power
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of the chip inside of the iPhone.
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- Yeah, honestly, I think you're right.
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- I don't care about it anymore.
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- And that's why they talked about,
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instead they talked about using their cores
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and their CPU cores and their GPU cores
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and the neural engine and the ISP to do camera stuff, right?
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Because that is, in fact, I would be surprised
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if the thumbnail sketch of what this phone model year
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was going to be way back when was,
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this is the one with a 48 megapixel sensor on it.
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And therefore, the chip development for this chip model
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needs to kill it on the image processing
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because this is when we're doing it.
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- It's gotta do whatever it's got to do
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to deal with so much more information coming down.
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- The pipeline, I've read the pipeline.
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But for me--
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- You get higher up,
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then you see what's coming down sooner.
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- And you need more of it.
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For me, I wanna know raw power and speeds
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and cores for the Mac, right?
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But for the iPhone and for the iPad,
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it's not really interesting anymore.
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- It's more what you can do with it
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because they're not constrained in any other way.
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- Especially now because it used to be fun of like,
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look how much faster this is than my Mac.
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Well, that doesn't count anymore
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'cause we have those chips now.
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So like it's not, anyway. - Exactly.
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- The camera though, Jason Snell,
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my God, I'm so freaking excited.
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They gave me literally everything I wanted
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from the camera segment of the keynote today.
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- So the things that we thought they might do, right?
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'Cause the simple version was, well, that 48 megapixel,
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they're gonna do pixel binning, which they did.
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They call it the quad pixel sensor.
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That's the whole idea.
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You use four pixels, so you've got lots of light
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to make a really, really, really good looking
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12 megapixel image.
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But what else can you do?
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And this is where it's like,
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well, what do they choose to do?
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The answer is they chose to, among other things,
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create a virtual additional iPhone camera,
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which is the cropped middle 12 megapixels of the new sensor
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at which you can take a full resolution photo.
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There's no optical zoom or anything.
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It's just a cropped in.
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It's not using the quad pixel at that point.
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It's using the actual pixels,
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but you can do that and it's like you've zoomed in to 2X
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for full resolution photos and 4K video.
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- I love this.
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Like I love that the 3X exists, but I miss the 2X
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and they even called it out in a way I was so happy about
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where they're like,
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because also 3X is not so good for portrait, which it's not.
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Like I feel like portrait photos now
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I'm either too far away or too close.
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- And 2X is so much better for that.
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So I'm really happy about this.
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I hoped they would do something like this.
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People thought, and I had thought,
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I wondered, will they use this sensor to do 10x zoom,
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like Samsung does, but they hadn't done that.
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What I'm happy is they've done
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what I actually realistically wanted,
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which was more settings that are of high quality,
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rather than pushing past quality.
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And I think one of the reasons they haven't done this
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is there is a future iPhone
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expected to get a periscope camera,
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and so you may as well wait for that one to do that,
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that kind of further out feature.
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- I just wanna be clear.
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Again, it's not a digital zoom.
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What they're doing is using the 12 megapixels.
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Instead of taking 48 and binning it to 12,
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and it's taking the 12 like it was the old iPhone,
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but because it's got the lens
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that's displaying on the whole sensor,
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and they're taking the center of it,
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it's effectively a zoom,
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but it's zooming by discarding the quad pixel algorithm
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and instead using the more classic one dot per.
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So the image quality is not gonna be as good
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as at the normal camera mode,
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but it's not a digital zoom
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because it's not inventing pixels.
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But they can still throw it through
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our wonderful friend photonic engine
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and get some better results out of it maybe.
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- Yeah, there's people in the chat room saying
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it's a digital zoom.
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I mean, define it how you want.
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To me, digital zoom means you're creating information
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where there isn't any.
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Where you're taking something that,
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you're blowing up pixels and making virtual pixels
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and making the image look bigger than it actually is.
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And they're not blowing up pixels here.
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They're just cropping the pixels.
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So that feels different to me.
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- But everything across the board is getting better
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with hardware and with software.
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The ultra wide has a larger sensor,
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three times better improvement in low light.
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By the way, the main camera has a 2X improvement
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over the 13 Pro in low light for this stuff.
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Higher quality macro mode photos.
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They have a new adaptive flash,
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which I thought was really smart,
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that dependent on the focal length of the image,
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they adapt how much light they use, which is genius.
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And then for cinematic mode, they go up to 4K now in video,
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and you can do it at 24 frames per second.
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And ProRAW, you can use the full 48 megapixels resolution,
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if you know what you're doing with it.
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- Yeah, right.
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That's it, like what, so what if you say,
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well, it's great that you're doing this quad pixel thing,
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but I want all those pixels.
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I'm a pro photographer and I want 48 megapixels.
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The answer is great.
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Then you use ProRAW, you get all 48 megapixels of it.
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Do what you want with it.
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And that's great.
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That's fantastic.
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- They didn't do 8K.
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- Cinematic mode 4K at 24 and 30 is great for people who,
01:28:44
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I mean, again, it's who is that?
01:28:45
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It's a, for the filmmakers who use the cinematic mode,
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I'm not sure anybody is, but if you're an aspiring filmmaker
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and you want to shoot 24 4K in cinematic mode, you can now.
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- Well, I was listening to the Six Colors
01:28:57
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Secret Subscriber podcast and our friend David Sparks said
01:29:01
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he wanted to use cinematic mode, but it was just at 1080
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and that wasn't working for what he wanted
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with the rest of his workflow.
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- So there you go, it's for Sparky then.
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- It's a higher quality image.
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There was no 8K video.
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Now I'm assuming that the sensor could do it.
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I am expecting they are not doing it yet for two reasons.
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One, not a lot of use, I think, for 8K as it stands right now.
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And two, the file size is massive.
01:29:26
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- Yes, and you have to get it over
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that little lightning port.
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- Yeah, which is not great.
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So I just think right now there isn't a need for 8K.
01:29:34
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Let me tell you, Jason, I'm so excited for this phone.
01:29:38
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This is a big upgrade, it looks like.
01:29:41
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- Yeah, yeah.
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I'm looking forward to the real photo samples.
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- Yeah, or just my own images, right?
01:29:48
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You know what I mean?
01:29:49
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Like just, yeah.
01:29:50
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- If you're the kind of person who buys an iPhone
01:29:54
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for the camera, I feel like there's no question about this.
01:29:58
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Like we'll see what the reviews are and all of that,
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but like this is a camera upgrade.
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I do think that we have the Dynamic Island
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as an amazing design upgrade.
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- And the always on display too.
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- Yeah, there's a bunch of, yeah, for the boring third,
01:30:17
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well, this is what Apple does though, right?
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It's like it's the third version of this body.
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So what do you do to make it interesting?
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The answer is you do a lot of really interesting stuff
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that isn't changing the body in year three,
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because the body's been out there for a while
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and it's not that exciting,
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but you can do some other exciting stuff.
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And so here it is, they've got the island,
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they've got the always on,
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and they've got this new camera system.
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And then that's a, again, it's that for,
01:30:43
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if you're just going on looks,
01:30:45
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it looks like it's more or less the same phone,
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but if you're looking at the specs
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and you're looking at what it does,
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it's actually a pretty dramatic upgrade.
01:30:52
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- Yeah, I'm really, I am genuinely really pumped.
01:30:55
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They've given me the things that I wanted the most, right?
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That I've really been looking forward to.
01:31:01
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And, you know, one of them was just like,
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"Hey, the screen's gonna look different."
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But then they've taken it that step further
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with this like delightful UI element in the dynamic island,
01:31:12
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which by the way, that is a really bizarre name.
01:31:16
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- Dynamic island? - I love it.
01:31:18
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Like I love it, but that's why it's a wild name.
01:31:21
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- My immediate thought was dynamic island is what happens
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when you release a phone with a notch
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and everybody calls it the notch.
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And you're an Apple product marketer and you're like,
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I don't like that name.
01:31:33
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And somebody says, well, why didn't you give it a name?
01:31:36
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And you're like, oh, yeah.
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Well, if we ever do something like the Notch again,
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we're gonna brand it.
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- You know what?
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- And so here it is.
01:31:43
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- I'm gonna say you are spot on there
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because they just wanted you to say the Face ID sensor
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or nothing, right?
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You just don't call it anything, it just is.
01:31:52
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- Right, so we're gonna have to retro name the Notch now.
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I propose the Static Peninsula.
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But it could be, we'll work on it.
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We'll workshop what the Notch is called.
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But it's offshore of the Dynamic Island.
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So that's everything announced today.
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- Yeah, and this is again September 16th.
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- So we have, I'm sure we'll have more
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to break down next week.
01:32:18
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- I'm sure, so I mean, I'm still,
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you've had a little bit of time,
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I'm still sort of in the bubble here.
01:32:24
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- Yeah, for sure.
01:32:25
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- In the ring.
01:32:26
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- And yeah, you're within the ring bubble.
01:32:29
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- Can you believe upgrade is coming to people live
01:32:31
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from inside the circle at Apple Park?
01:32:35
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- I cannot believe that, that was a big surprise
01:32:36
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for all of us. - It's hard to believe.
01:32:37
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But look at that. Look where we've come, kids.
01:32:39
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- We've come so far.
01:32:40
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- Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode.
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I'm sure we'll be writing many words.
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Lots of, not ink spilled, but like characters spilled?
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I don't know.
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A pixel spilled over at sixcolors.com.
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He is @jsnew, J-S-N-E-L-L-L.
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I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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And we'll be back next week.
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Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snell.
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- Goodbye, Myke Hurley.
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