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00:00:00 ◼   ► Yeah retweet everything and then let's get going so nobody gets bored and leaves. I think we already lost that battle

00:00:05 ◼   ► So, what are we talking about this week, so what are we talking about? Well, this was a big week and

00:00:12 ◼   ► first and foremost

00:00:15 ◼   ► WWDC tickets happened they did that was

00:00:18 ◼   ► Interesting. It was nothing like we predicted at all. We were completely wrong

00:00:23 ◼   ► right because I I

00:00:26 ◼   ► know

00:00:28 ◼   ► But I don't remember what I said. What did I say last time? I think I said that I thought I would get a ticket

00:00:32 ◼   ► I did so I

00:00:33 ◼   ► Was right

00:00:35 ◼   ► Well, how about that?

00:00:37 ◼   ► You know, I don't know. I just I saw it going very differently in my head

00:00:42 ◼   ► I mean, I knew it would be quick

00:00:44 ◼   ► But I think I saw someone who kind of someone who had the source that cannot be named that said it was 71 seconds

00:00:52 ◼   ► yeah, they said like it was like somebody I guess had dinner with somebody who would know and

00:00:57 ◼   ► And they said it was something like that. Yeah, that seems reasonable to me

00:01:01 ◼   ► I mean based on what I saw that that seems right and that's just that's insane

00:01:05 ◼   ► So my question are two questions really to you guys our two-part question is one as

00:01:11 ◼   ► It has has been talked about in our little circle of life ad nauseum

00:01:15 ◼   ► Is this sustainable and two does Apple give a crap anyway?

00:01:19 ◼   ► So Marco, I'm sorry

00:01:23 ◼   ► I mean, that whole line of reasoning doesn't make any sense to me, where if people are

00:01:30 ◼   ► angry about how things went, they decide that it has to be some kind of neglect or malicious

00:01:36 ◼   ► neglect on the part of the personified entity that is this company that somehow they don't

00:01:40 ◼   ► care. They care.

00:01:44 ◼   ► I think it's… Almost everyone who has a blog and likes Apple stuff in the last week

00:01:50 ◼   ► has written something about WWDC and ideas on either how it could be fixed, whether it

00:01:56 ◼   ► needs to be fixed, or what this means in the universe.

00:02:00 ◼   ► My position is basically that, basically agreeing with Jon, and Jon you wrote this great thing

00:02:05 ◼   ► about the lottery, how it basically is, it has become a de facto lottery, even though

00:02:12 ◼   ► it technically isn't one, because even if you were there in the very first minute, it

00:02:18 ◼   ► was pretty random whether or not you got a ticket,

00:02:20 ◼   ► because there were so many server errors,

00:02:21 ◼   ► as everybody slammed the server even

00:02:23 ◼   ► from the very first few seconds.

00:02:25 ◼   ► So it is a lottery now.

00:02:28 ◼   ► And this is kind of-- isn't that the same way

00:02:31 ◼   ► that Google I/O goes generally?

00:02:34 ◼   ► There was something where--

00:02:35 ◼   ► I never tried to get a ticket, but it goes fast.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's similar in that it's basically random.

00:02:40 ◼   ► Like whoever gets-- like the first 5,000 database connections

00:02:43 ◼   ► get it, basically.

00:02:44 ◼   ► So there's something like that.

00:02:46 ◼   ► There's no point in that, because if there's

00:02:47 ◼   ► There's nothing you can do to increase your odds than it is a lottery.

00:02:52 ◼   ► I mean, you could say, "Well, there's something you can do to make sure that you have non-zero

00:02:57 ◼   ► odds," but you can't do anything to increase them because it's just the luck of the draw.

00:03:02 ◼   ► What hit on the database you happen to get when your CDN refreshes to have the new content,

00:03:08 ◼   ► there is really nothing you—the only thing you can do is decide to enter or not.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Entering means basically being paranoid for months and then being relieved when you find

00:03:16 ◼   ► out it's going to be preannounced, and then sitting there at your computer with hopefully

00:03:21 ◼   ► a synchronized clock and reloading the page a bazillion times.

00:03:24 ◼   ► All that annoying effort is essentially you putting your little ticket into the box.

00:03:28 ◼   ► Everything that happens after that is out of your control.

00:03:31 ◼   ► It's a lottery.

00:03:32 ◼   ► It's the world's most annoying lottery, because if it was a regular lottery and they just

00:03:36 ◼   ► said three months ahead of time, "Put your name in this box if you're interested in WWDC,"

00:03:40 ◼   ► then you'd be like, "All right, I did that."

00:03:42 ◼   ► Then there'd be no more.

00:03:43 ◼   ► You'd be wondering if you got it, but you wouldn't have to be sleeping with your phone

00:03:46 ◼   ► next to you on loud for months at a time and signing up for alerting services and sitting

00:03:51 ◼   ► there at your computer clicking, clicking reload.

00:03:53 ◼   ► None of that would be required.

00:03:54 ◼   ► That's all just pointless stress for the people involved.

00:03:59 ◼   ► At that point, why not just make it an honest to goodness regular lottery where you say,

00:04:04 ◼   ► "Hey, for this week, or for this day, we're going to sign you up, and then two days later,

00:04:08 ◼   ► we'll draw out of a hat."

00:04:09 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:04:11 ◼   ► It seems like what we've got isn't right.

00:04:15 ◼   ► And maybe that's just because all of the people who didn't

00:04:18 ◼   ► get a ticket have launched onto the internet, like Marco said,

00:04:21 ◼   ► and complained about it.

00:04:22 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:04:24 ◼   ► It just doesn't feel right to me.

00:04:26 ◼   ► And one thing I read was Dan Provost, who is co-founder

00:04:30 ◼   ► of Studio Neat, who makes the Cosmonaut and the Glyph and

00:04:32 ◼   ► other cool things like that.

00:04:35 ◼   ► He had an interesting post, which I just put in the chat,

00:04:37 ◼   ► about how you could do kind of a half lottery,

00:04:39 ◼   ► half merit system.

00:04:40 ◼   ► this, I believe he based on your post, John, where he had said, and I'm going to

00:04:45 ◼   ► butcher the details because I read it a few days ago, but he said something like,

00:04:48 ◼   ► "Hey, for some marathon, I think it was a New York marathon, you get preference

00:04:53 ◼   ► based on seniority, sympathy, the elite, legwork, or charity."

00:04:58 ◼   ► And so he said, "Hey, what if we did that for WWDC?"

00:05:01 ◼   ► Where, you know, and his examples were seniority.

00:05:03 ◼   ► If you attended the past 10 WWDCs, then you'll more likely get a ticket or maybe

00:05:08 ◼   ► be guaranteed to get a ticket.

00:05:10 ◼   ► Or sympathy, if you lose the lottery for three consecutive years, well, wamp wamp, we'll

00:05:15 ◼   ► give you a ticket.

00:05:16 ◼   ► Or elite, or leg worth, or charity, you know, there's many ways in which you could say,

00:05:21 ◼   ► "Hey, if you apply, if you're one of the 100 or 1000 people that apply to these categories,

00:05:26 ◼   ► we'll give you a ticket, but everyone else you're going in a regular lottery, tough

00:05:31 ◼   ► nuggies."

00:05:32 ◼   ► And I don't know if that's right, but I thought it was a very interesting kind of

00:05:35 ◼   ► halfway to do it.

00:05:36 ◼   ► I think there's a lot of problems with that.

00:05:40 ◼   ► is it's not that it increases your odds if you fulfill those things. It was grouped

00:05:43 ◼   ► into guaranteed and non-guaranteed. And the guaranteed people got tickets and non-guaranteed

00:05:47 ◼   ► were all put into lottery, right? The problem with—

00:05:49 ◼   ► I think that's right.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Not the specifics of that, but the problem with having any type of things that human

00:05:54 ◼   ► beings can do to guarantee a ticket is that all you're doing is shoving the race into

00:06:01 ◼   ► another realm. And just 20,000 people would do what it takes to be guaranteed. And then

00:06:05 ◼   ► it would be like, "Okay, well, to be guaranteed, you have to climb Mount Everest and save a

00:06:08 ◼   ► a child from a burning building. I mean, you're just kidding. I have no doubt that all those

00:06:13 ◼   ► people who are sitting there hitting reload would do the things required to be guaranteed.

00:06:18 ◼   ► And if you oversubscribe the "guaranteed pool," well, then you're back to the same stupid

00:06:22 ◼   ► problem again.

00:06:23 ◼   ► That's the problem I see. The marathon, I guess the marathon helps a little bit because

00:06:28 ◼   ► inherently it's a difficult thing to do. So if some of the guarantees are like, "Run a

00:06:32 ◼   ► whole bunch of marathons," and that's perhaps—maybe if that was the actual requirement to be guaranteed

00:06:37 ◼   ► for a WWDC ticket, you have to run three marathons in a year, certified." Obviously, it's

00:06:44 ◼   ► not going to make any sense, but I'm saying, if the things—I tried to imagine what those

00:06:47 ◼   ► things could possibly be, and I think the post went into them as well. What could the

00:06:52 ◼   ► criteria be for getting a guaranteed ticket? If they're physically possible, people will

00:06:56 ◼   ► do them, because there's that much demand, I think.

00:06:59 ◼   ► Well, I think it's worth asking. A lot of these systems to try to prioritize people

00:07:06 ◼   ► or give certain people an easier time getting tickets.

00:07:09 ◼   ► A lot of them have assumed that loyalty is one of the big factors that matter.

00:07:13 ◼   ► Like if you've got the seniority, you've gone to X past ones

00:07:17 ◼   ► and you guarantee a ticket now or whatever.

00:07:19 ◼   ► But isn't that kind of counter to WVDC and what it's for in Apple's mind?

00:07:24 ◼   ► Apple loves having a very high percentage of first-timers there

00:07:28 ◼   ► because that really shows they're bringing new people into the ecosystem.

00:07:30 ◼   ► They're training new people.

00:07:32 ◼   ► you know, there is some repetition between...