145: Lasers and Pew-Pew and Space Aliens
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I made the mistake of going to the grocery store today.
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I figured, you know, if I go, yes, it's Thanksgiving week,
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but if I go on Monday at noon,
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no one else is gonna be there yet.
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It's way too early and it's the middle of the day.
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- People take off the whole week, I think.
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I didn't understand where everybody was
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when I went to work today.
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It was a little traffic,
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there wasn't a lot of people in the parking lot.
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Yeah, don't go to any places that sell food
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or beverages this week.
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- All of the traffic was in my grocery store's parking lot.
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Apparently everybody else in the world had the same idea that I did.
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No one's gonna be there on Monday at noon.
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I didn't realize you live in a retirement community.
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Oh, man, I feel like we need something fun and clever to start the show with.
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Maybe we can do a little bit of follow-out, Jon's favorite topic.
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The internet has given us a gift today.
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And by the internet, I mean David Galetly.
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I'm so sorry that I probably pronounced that wrong.
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But David has given us the John Siracusa paper doll kit, which this is really a call out
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to Reconcile All Differences, which...
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Yeah, this is a different podcast.
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You guys confused about what podcast we're doing?
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This is what follow out is, John.
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Keep up or take notes.
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John, are you acknowledging that follow out has a solid meaning and you are arguing over
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I don't know what follow out means.
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All I know is that this is a topic for a different podcast.
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We'll probably talk about it on that other podcast.
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It's like when you say like, "Airing on another network."
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We can't even name the other podcasts, but it's like,
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if I can tell the difference,
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you should listen to it.
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Yeah, all right, go ahead, fine.
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If you wanna do "Paper Dolls," fine.
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- No, I just, I wanted to make,
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I just wanted to call everyone's attention
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to this absolutely phenomenal tweet from David
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with the John Siracusa "Paper Doll."
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Your nose was a little Rudolph-y for my taste.
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If you'll-- - That's a style.
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That's not, it's not a reflection on my actual nose.
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- Didn't even notice the, "Long Island 1992" shirt.
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That's delightful.
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- Yeah, I don't think, it would be better
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if he knew what the running shirts look like.
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I should put a picture of him,
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but he's got the hypercritical shirt in there.
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Just thinking of printing this out
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for my kids to play with.
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- Oh my God, they would lose it.
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- Also, I should have the ATP shirt edition, obviously.
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- Can we get this printed on like a sheet of magnet things
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so that you could actually move them around like magnets?
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Is that, is like, is there a company that does that?
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I'm sure there is.
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- Oh God, that's amazing.
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- He's done some other pictures of me as well.
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I think one where Merlin's riding on my back, you know that one?
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ooh, the layers are in folders.
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Accessories, torso, pants, footwear.
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So you can, oh this is actually, you don't even need the magnet, you can actually toggle
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everything right from here, as long as you're willing to launch Photoshop.
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That's what people have been doing where they compose the different versions of me.
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So fantastic.
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We'll put a link to the, we shouldn't put a link to the tweet, we'll put a link to the
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website where you can see all the other stuff.
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This really is incredible.
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So you guys, we all did a very terrible job explaining why this exists.
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Oh yeah, that's true.
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All right, well anyway, on Reconcileable Differences, which is a podcast I did with Merlin Mann,
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we talked about clothing at one point, and this was Merlin's idea that someone should
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make a paper doll version of me to help dress me.
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Because he got it into his head that he wants to do a... not a makeover, like, you know
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those sort of Queer Eye type shows where there's someone who doesn't have any fashion sense
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and then other people with fashion sense want to fix him?
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That's what Merlin wants to do to me, or wants other people to do to me.
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So here you go, paper dolls.
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There's a tattoos layer.
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I hope there's a question mark after it in the layer, too, because the answer is none.
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Except that one that nobody talks about.
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I don't really get tattoos, personally.
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I've never ever, ever, ever desired to have a tattoo on me.
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You know what that means, that you're going to have one in six months.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Actually knowing my history.
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That's exactly true.
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No, I just, anything I would want,
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anything I would like enough to put on my body,
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like A, it would probably be like some sort of consumer BS,
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but B, inevitably I would end up hating it.
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So, oh God, I just can't imagine.
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- So I love, so I have configured now
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the rugby shirt, dad jeans, A6 shoes,
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and the John glasses, but the bow tie.
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It's a fantastic combination, Hiro.
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Both eyes are cool and you would get that reference
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if you watched more TV.
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- Yeah, I got nothing.
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- Neither one of you, neither one.
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- What was it? - Top four TV shows my butt.
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- Which speaking of, I think I've gotten to the point
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that I hate listening to top four
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because so much of what you guys say,
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like I've never listened to a podcast
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that makes me wanna yell at it more.
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- I think it's working as designed
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far as I can tell. No, I think you're right. I absolutely think you're right. And the thing is,
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like, I genuinely do enjoy the show. And there are times, like, I tweeted at both of you earlier
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today, I genuinely thought that the way you handled the pizza discussion was perfect. Because,
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without question, it is so much easier to find good pizza in New York, or the surrounding area,
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than it is anywhere else in the country. Don't say it. Don't say it, but. There's good pizza to
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be had in other places in the country. Which I did say. Which you said. I haven't listened to
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this episode yet but I assume I will hate it.
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- No, no, no, I thought Marco,
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you guys both handled it perfectly, I really did.
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Oh, this is perfect.
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He just faced it.
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- Isn't it great?
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- Oh God, this is magnificent.
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- It's just like the standard John plus a bow tie.
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- Plus a bow tie.
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- I don't think the bow tie fits with the rugby shirt.
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I don't think that's, it doesn't, that doesn't fit.
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- I think you should try this one day,
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maybe next year WBC, something like that.
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- I showed this to my wife and she said,
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"Why do you look so angry?" I said, "I'm probably angry about either being half-naked
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or about other people dressing me." Yeah, I couldn't imagine you'd be incredibly happy
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about either of those states. So I think it's the appropriate expression.
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Oh, God. But anyway, I was very happy with how you handled that. But the thing of it
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is, I think part of the reason I was so perturbed at Top Four today is because I don't like
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Indian food with the exception of naan, which is delightful. But the thing of it is, it
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very, very well could be that I've just made terrible choices whenever I've gone for Indian
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food. Like, I don't even know what I've eaten, but I can tell you I've not liked any of it.
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And so I was very perturbed that Indian ranks so high in your list. However, I concur with
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pizza, I concur with Panera and delis. I think you were a little harsh on Quiznos and Subway,
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but I can get past that.
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- No, I mean, if you're in a place
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where the best options you have are Quiznos or Subway,
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just go to the grocery store and buy cold cuts
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and make your own sandwich at home.
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It's better that.
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Honestly, when I did live in those places,
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that's what I did because it was better.
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- Oh, yeah, yeah.
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For the most part, I did agree
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with most of what you guys said, so.
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- And you can't forgive the Subway triangle
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cheese tessellation issue.
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- Yes, you are spot on on that.
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I completely agree.
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To give context for this, this is Top 4, the podcast that Marco does with Tiff, his wife,
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and they supposedly rank the Top 4 whatever.
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So Top 4 takeout restaurants, Top 4 Halloween candies.
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What they actually do on the show is only vaguely related to that, and they're now lately
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both having trouble coming up with Top 4 anything.
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And most of their opinions are terribly wrong.
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Anyway, that's why you listen to the show, because it is both entertaining and infuriating.
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it short, so there you go. Have we concluded the advertise other podcast sections of this
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podcast yet?
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Yes, you know, you should complain about the fact that I have brought up the two podcasts
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that my co-hosts have done, and I have not brought up any of my extracurriculars. But
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yes, you continue to be upset, Jon.
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Well, that's just your personality, Casey. You didn't even mention robot or not.
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Well, now we have. Are you satisfied? Would you like me to bring up The Incomparable?
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You were on The Incomparable. It's practically your show now.
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I hate you so much right now, Jon.
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One episode only.
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I understood that reference.
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All right, so now that you've ruined follow-out for me, just as you had planned, can we do
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some follow-up and talk about what Ben wrote in and said?
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- All right, so John, tell us in this follow-up section
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what Ben G wrote in and said.
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- We were talking about the iPad Pro screen
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and how it wasn't quite as good in terms of color accuracy
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as the Surface Pro 4 and also not as good
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actually some of the earlier iPad screens Apple had made or the smaller ones anyway.
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And I wondered, I said it was kind of a shame that it didn't have the new sort
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of wide spectrum or whatever the correct term is it a large gamut? Anyway, display
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that the iMac does, the P3 specification which is supposedly bigger
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than sRGB and Ben wrote in to tell us that one of the reasons the iPad Pro
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can't do that is because it requires an RGB backlight. So these screens that we
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call LCDs but sometimes also LEDs. The LED just refers to the backlight so
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you've got a bunch of you've got this semi-transparent thing in front with
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little colored sections that you can turn on and off in different amounts and
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behind it behind most screens you just have a big white light that's just on
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all the time over the entire screen for computer screens anyway and apparently
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the iMac has instead of a big white light behind it an RGB backlight so it's
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a backlight that can be different colors instead of just white and I didn't know
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I know televisions do that and televisions do all sorts of weird tricks with the backlight to try to make the image look better
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But it makes sense that if the iMac has an RGB backlight
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Perhaps they can't get that small enough or low power enough to be in a iPad Pro just yet
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Come we have to wake up more years, I guess
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Fair enough. Well, I did not know that I really didn't have any idea that it was an RGB backlight. That's very cool
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Tell me about iMac Insomnia
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Yeah, my new my wife's new
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27 inch retina iMac I was saying last week that it seems to have insomnia
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Put it to sleep and then it will wake up again
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Or we'll just walk away from the computer after using it and then come back an hour later
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And it's still awake, and I wasn't quite able to figure out why lots of listeners sent in suggestions
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One common one was the the IR receiver if it's in the line of sight of
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Something that sprays IR like a remote control or one of those IR blaster things or whatever
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It's conceivable that the IR receiver on the Amac, which I guess it has one.
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I don't even know that it had one, and I didn't even check if it did have one.
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But the theory is that for our computers that do have an IR receiver, if it's near your
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television or something like that, you could keep it awake just with IR input.
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I don't know if that theory is correct because my thing is definitely not in the line of
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sight of any IR, and I don't even know if my thing has an IR receiver.
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Probably does, but who knows.
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Anyway, the next guess was Bluetooth.
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If you go to the Bluetooth preference pane, this is annoying that this is an inside energy
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saver but it's not, you gotta go to the Bluetooth preference pane, then you have to click on
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Then there's a checkbox that says "allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer" and that was
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checked by default.
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So I unchecked it and I think my problems are solved.
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Because I've got, the reason that feature exists is if you have, like the new iMac,
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if you get it with the recommended Apple crappy cripples Bluetooth keyboard and the recommended
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Bluetooth mouse, then you don't have your mouse or your keyboard connected with a wire
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to your computer.
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So when your computer goes to sleep, if you don't have the setting checked and you hit
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the space bar like to wake up your computer or wiggle the mouse or click the mouse button
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or something, the computer won't actually wake up.
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I don't have that problem because we've got a wired keyboard attached to it and actually
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a USB mouse that's wireless to the keyboard.
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Anyway, so I uncheck that thing and so far so good.
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The computer has not had insomnia.
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It hasn't woken up spontaneously and when it goes to sleep, it stays asleep.
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So I'm pretty well convinced that I've solved my problem.
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I wouldn't have guessed it was Bluetooth acting up, but I'm glad you figured that
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I also don't understand how you could have wires on your desktop, but teach their own.
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It's a keyboard tray, so the wires go underneath.
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You're not going to see them.
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Oh, a keyboard tray.
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Yeah, you've got to have the keyboard at the right height, you know?
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Put the desk at the right height.
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Well, the desk feels too low, and then you need something to prop the computer up.
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Yeah, that's easier than managing a keyboard tray.
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I think the main reason my wife likes the keyboard tray is that it gives her more room
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to put junk on the desk.
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Because the keyboard tray is underneath, the entire surface of the desk in front of you
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is free for just having papers and stuff.
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Sometimes it's good because you're referring to them, other times you're just piling stuff.
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But it really is convenient.
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Even if I didn't need it for ergonomic positioning, even if I had a desk that went up and down
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and I could get it the right way, in fact I had that at work.
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My desk at work is somewhat adjustable.
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I tried putting it down at the level that it should be for the keyboard, and I just
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like the desk higher and to have the little tray underneath it is just what I'm used to.
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All right, any other follow-up? That was another quick round of follow-up. I'm very proud of
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us. Well, this is a short period of time after
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the last episode, I'm sure. Yeah. And also, it's slow for the holidays. I feel like we
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need to have like a laid-back holiday episode. Oh, I should have poured a drink. I didn't
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realize that was the plan. Yeah.
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Oh, goodness. All right, so speaking of holidays, Jon, you came up with an idea for this episode.
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Yeah, because we're recording this on a Monday only a few days after we recorded the last episode because we're all off for our
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holidays or Thanksgiving holiday vacations and travels and so on I thought what better way to
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Celebrate Thanksgiving which is a holiday here in the US people outside the US can look it up
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It's pretty dumb as far as holidays go. But anyway, it is a holiday and we get off work
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Oh slow down you're gonna have to explain yourself on that one. It's one of those holidays that really is
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It doesn't really make much sense.
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It's not really that historically significant.
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It's only because the people involved in it were the important enough people to celebrate
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It's like they're celebrating – anyway, you can read the story of Thanksgiving, but
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bottom line is we – you know, people, Europeans came to this country and slaughtered all the
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indigenous people and took all their land.
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Not that we're supposed to feel guilty for it and stuff, but having a holiday, kind of
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celebrating how nice it was that we all cooperated is like weird.
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It's like, yeah, and then we lived together happily ever after, right?
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No, we don't want to fall – anyway.
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It's not as bad as Columbus Day, but it's close.
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But we don't care because it's just the holiday season and we have turkey and gather around
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with family and argue about politics or however your Thanksgiving is going to go.
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I don't want to make this into a downer.
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Bottom line is we get off work.
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Let's concentrate on what's important here.
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But only for Thursday.
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You have to take a vacation day for Friday.
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Or just be retired like some of us are.
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Well, even Marco has to visit family on Thanksgiving.
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Thanksgiving, I would rather work for the rest of the year full-time than deal with
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Thanksgiving family drama.
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You don't know my family.
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Well, I don't know.
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I think you underestimate what it would be like to work for the rest of the year, waking
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up and getting into an office and commuting through graphic at nine o'clock every day.
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I'm not going to get in the middle of this one.
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Anyway, I don't want to make this into a downer.
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The whole point is, it's Thanksgiving, which, like I said, even though it's a stupid holiday,
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it is a holiday.
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And one of the good things about Thanksgiving is a time of year when, in theory, you are
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supposed to reflect on what you are thankful for.
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That is usually the part of the evening before people get drunk and angry and start arguing
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about politics.
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Sometimes you go around the table and say what you're thankful for, or whoever is the
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most willing and able to induce embarrassment in your extended family usually makes this
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So I guess I'm filling that role here on the podcast.
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And so I had to ask the assembled group of hosts, "What 2015-ish tech things are we most
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thankful for?"
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They don't have to be this year.
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They could be like a three- or four-year-old tech that you just discovered this year.
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I don't know.
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The year of framing is loose.
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But anyway, what kind of things are we thankful for?
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I figure we'll just go around in circles until we're all exhausted and don't have anything
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left to be thankful for.
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I hope you have more than one thing.
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I have a whole list.
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trying not to invoke the "Ghost of Top Four" by making Marco have a list. It's like,
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"Well, I'm not the most thankful for this, but it's probably around number five."
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I actually have five.
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Uh-huh. Are they all number five? Or...
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No, there's a very clear number one.
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All right. All right. Marco seems like he's ready to go first, so go ahead.
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Yeah, I did not do my homework on this. I thought about it for like ten minutes about
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half an hour ago. Goodness, if Marco's doing more homework than I am, something is seriously
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broken there.
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I gave you like three days' notice.
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- No, I just kind of forgot.
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Oh goodness, all right, go ahead Marco.
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- Well, my clear number one,
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I thought of it immediately when you said this,
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and there is no contest,
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MDNS responder.
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Suction number one.
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So, if anybody doesn't get the joke,
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this is the old version of Discovery D,
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which is the system daemon that's responsible
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on Macs and iOS devices for network name lookup,
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finding Bonjour devices, et cetera,
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or whatever Bonjour is called.
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Well, oh no, that's the new name.
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It used to be called Rendezvous, right?
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Anyway, so it's very much responsible for
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Macs and Apple devices finding other servers and devices
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on the network and coordinating things with them.
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So for things like file sharing,
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probably involved in things like AirDrop,
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definitely like network shares,
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Apple TV kind of stuff, AirPlay.
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And Discovery D was the new version of this,
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the rewrite of this.
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It shipped with Yosemite and with iOS 8.
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It was so buggy and it caused so many problems
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for so many people.
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You know, if during the era of Yosemite and iOS 8,
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if you ever had things like other Macs on your network
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disappear and just not be visible in Finder
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for browsing or for sharing,
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or if you had things like you'd have the computer name
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with a number after it, like, you know,
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TIFF's computer, seven.
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And it's like, what?
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And then where, you know,
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or some crazy number like that.
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So that was the kind of problem you'd see with this,
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but it caused so many other problems
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that some people just got lucky,
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like the HDMI CEC unicorns, and just never hit it.
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I hit all of these problems.
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So you'd have problems like certain network printers
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that had Bonjour interfaces would frequently fail
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and just never be connectable anymore.
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Airplay would fail constantly.
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Airdrop would fail constantly.
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So many problems with various network
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and inter-Mac, inter-iOS communication things.
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And this was honestly, this was a major driver
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behind my well-circulated piece,
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Apple Has Lost the Functional High Ground,
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from last winter, because it shipped with Yosemite
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and iOS 8 in the fall of 2014.
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And it took until, what, summertime?
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Something like that, before they issued an update
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that reverted it back to the old,
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they reverted DiscoveryD back to the old one,
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MDNS Responder, which just fixed all the problems.
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And so it was a good six months,
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something like that, of using this.
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And the number of problems I encountered
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for those six months just made me question
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everything about Apple, just like,
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how could they possibly have let this go for so long,
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how could they have shipped this?
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And it was making all the stuff
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that makes Apple devices usually really pleasant,
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like so much of it was crumbling
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or was at least unreliable for me.
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And when they went back to MDNS Responder,
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a massive amount of these problems
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just disappeared immediately for me.
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And so now I can do things like browse the iTunes share
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from the Apple TV and watch movies
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that are on my home server on the Apple TV
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and just stuff like that.
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I can reliably connect to the Mac Mini
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that serves this live stream.
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I can reliably connect to Tiff's computer and share files.
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I can print and it works every time.
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Like this is stuff that used to work very reliably,
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didn't for like six months and now does again.
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So number one by far for me is the return
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of MDNS Responder.
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- I like that the number one thing you're thankful for
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is really just a sly way to complain about something.
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- No, it's honestly like, I wrote an update article
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once I was pretty sure that this had fixed everything,
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and I really want to be clear that,
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yeah, it was really bad before.
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And also, I'm really happy now because now they have fixed
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that massive class of problems.
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And Apple stuff has all sorts of other problems still.
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And I'm sure we will spend,
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we will spare no moment talking about those.
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But that really did fix a ton of them that I was having.
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And it says a lot about Apple that they were,
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you know, that was a big mistake to ship that
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and to stick with it for so long.
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But it does say a lot about Apple that
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rather than just like double down on that
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and just like try to crank through
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and figure out all the problems,
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they just said, "No, we'll just go back."
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Like, I don't think they've really done that very often.
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And I can't even imagine what had to go on
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inside the company to convince whoever needed
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to be convinced to roll back, to just abandon
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this whole rewrite of this thing and just roll back
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to the previous version.
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But I'm really glad they did, because it really did fix
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a massive number of problems that I was having.
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- As I mentioned when this originally happened,
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MDNS Responder had a terrible reputation
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in the early years of OS X, because it was the process
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that it was always hanging and making stuff not work
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on your computer.
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All that kind of like basic functionality
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of connecting to servers and loading web pages
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and stuff like that.
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Oh, you got to kill an MDNS responder,
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it's hung or it's constantly crashing.
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And eventually it got to the point
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where I guess it was stable,
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but they're probably motivated to replace it
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because it was old and crusty and never really worked right.
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And they had rung out most of the bugs,
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but it was still probably like not easy to change
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or add features to for like, you know,
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handoff or whatever the hell.
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I don't even know if that was a,
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what their motivation for discovery,
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with us, but I just said every time they've gone and replaced some part of the system
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with some newer thing, that's something you have to do periodically. You just got to not
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screw it up. Like, the idea behind the effort was good, the execution was bad. So I really
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hope that if not DiscoveryD, that something else comes back because it's not like they're
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replacing these things for the health. There was motivation behind it, it's just they just
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botched the execution.
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Yeah, we'll also put a link in the show notes to a friend of the show, Craig Hockenberry,
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talked about this. It's a little bit strong on the language because Craig is a little perturbed,
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but it's a really good write-up as to what went wrong with Discovery D and why.
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All right, shall I go next Jon, or would you prefer to go next?
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No, you're up, Casey.
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All right, because I didn't have a lot of time to, or didn't spend a lot of time thinking about
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this, my selection is...
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You had my entire Discovery D rant.
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Fair enough. You know, the first thing I'm thankful for, which I'm really, really excited
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about is actually live photos. I really, really, really enjoy live photos. You can make an
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argument that it's gimmicky, and maybe it is, and maybe in a few years I'll think it's
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silly. But sitting here now, I love live photos. Being able to have a little bit of context
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around what's happening, especially when you have a really young child in the house, is
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really, really awesome. And there's been a couple of live photos that I've gotten just
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by pure happenstance that have been really awesome. Like once I took a picture of Declan
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when we were out to eat and he decided to make this like just mammoth yawn right as I'd taken
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the picture so you can see this like huge yawn as he's eating at this restaurant. And it sounds
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silly describing it, but it was just the funniest live photo. And I don't know that I would have
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captured that moment had it not been for the fact that what I thought was a picture was
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actually a very very short movie. And so I love live photos.
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The only thing I don't like about live photos is now it makes me question whether or not I want to use my big
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semi-fancy camera or my iPhone to take pictures. And generally speaking I do reach for the big camera,
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but it doesn't make me feel guilty anymore
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if I don't have the big camera handy when I'm trying to capture a shot because I love having that context.
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Do you have burst mode on your big fancy camera?
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I never ever ever use it though.
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Blast away and make your own live pictures.
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Well, and maybe that's one way of looking at it, but I very rarely shoot in burst mode.
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And the handful of times I've done it, it has come out pretty well.
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But then I'd have to post-process it, turn it into a movie, and blah blah blah.
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Not to say that this is egregious, but it's pretty magical just whipping out the thing
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that the phone that's in your pocket and snapping a picture and having that little bit of context
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behind it. I just really, really love it.
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Kind of in that vein, I'd like to – this is not on my list. Sorry, Jon. This is par
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for the course. Go ahead.
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Yes, that's exactly right.
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I'd like to add to that just how incredibly good the video is from the iPhone 6S and 6S+.
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This year, I finally, after seven years, upgraded my main good camera from a Canon 5D Mark II
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to the Sony A7R II.
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And it's a fantastic camera in every way,
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and I love this thing.
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I love the pictures I get out of the Sony.
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It's incredible.
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It is incredibly expensive too, so it's not for everybody.
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But when you buy a camera every seven years,
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it can be justifiable somehow.
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But anyway, love this camera.
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And it shoots 4K video,
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and it's one of the relatively few cameras
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on the market today that shoots 4K video.
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They're getting more and more numerous,
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but there's still relatively few in number.
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But the iPhone 6S came out and the 6S also shoots 4K video.
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And having shot now with both of them a reasonable amount,
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the difference between them is not that big.
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Like here's this camera that's being hailed
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as one of the best cameras overall ever made
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and one of the best cameras that can shoot 4K.
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And the camera that's in every iPhone
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of the current generation shoots 4K video
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that to my eye as a casual observer
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is almost just as good.
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The quality you can get out of the iPhone in 4K mode,
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granted, it isn't 60 frames a second, it's only 30.
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I don't know what shoots 4K at 60 frames a second,
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but I've never seen anything that offered that.
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It seems like 4K everywhere these days
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is basically limited to 30.
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But if you're willing to deal with the lower frame rate,
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it looks incredible just to have that resolution.
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It really does look like a moving photo.
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It looks like a real live photo.
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And live photos are great, like you know,
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they're great for when you didn't intend to take a video.
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But when you do intend to take a video,
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the quality you can get out of the iPhone camera
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in 4K mode is just ridiculously good.
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And for people like us who have kids
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and get all sentimental about how cute our kids are,
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it is just stunning how much this captures life
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in the way it looks in real life.
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And I'm very, very glad to have this
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because almost every parent at some point says,
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you know, I really wish I shot more video.
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I really wish I shot more photos.
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And I've been that way for video, certainly.
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But we shoot plenty of photos,
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but we don't shoot enough video.
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- Yeah, I'm the same way.
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I reflect and look back on the pictures and video
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I've taken in the last year,
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'cause Declan's just over a year old now,
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and I couldn't agree more that I've taken
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a lot of really great pictures.
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I'm really proud of the pictures I've taken,
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but I haven't shot near enough video.
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And I think that part of the problem is, is that it's not often, especially early in life,
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like super early in life, that I can capture something that's quote-unquote "remarkable"
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as it's happening.
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And I think that that's the wrong attitude to have, and I should be better about just
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capturing everyday life, because it'll be interesting to look at, maybe not in a year
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or five years, but maybe in 10 or 20 years.
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And so I'm trying to train myself to start taking video of things that seem really boring.
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And like you were saying, Marco, I really, really like that this camera that's in my
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pocket always takes 4K video, which is kind of an insurance policy, right?
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There will eventually be video that is crisper than 4K, but sitting here in 2015, 4K is going
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to look pretty good for a while, I think.
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And so I'm really happy that I'm getting really high-resolution video out of the camera I
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I am most likely to have on me always.
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- Yeah, and it really does not look like
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like an inferior quality camera.
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Like when you're shooting 4K with the iPhone,
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it does not seem inferior quality at all.
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In fact, like, you know, compared to my like,
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you know, quote, real camera,
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which granted is not a dedicated video camera,
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but a lot of people use these things for video.
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The things like the audio are actually better.
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The audio is way better on the iPhone.
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The autofocus is way better on the iPhone.
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It shouldn't be, there's no reason why it should be.
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Hardware wise, the Sony kicks its butt in so many ways.
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But the iPhone just has really nice automatic defaults
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and does really good audio processing such that
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you, with no effort, you get pretty great video
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out of the iPhone compared to this professional camera.
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It's amazing how good it is.
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So yeah, I'm very thankful for how good the 6S is
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at shooting video because it is making me shoot more video
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and for parenting nostalgia purposes, that is just awesome.
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- Don't forget to take videos of your kids screaming
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and crying because we tend to take pictures of kids when they're smiling or happy, take
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pictures of them when they're crying, and take videos so they can hear the noise that
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they made because they won't believe you when you try to describe it. And sometimes it's
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nice to look back when you're far, far distant from it and say, "I remember that terrible
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screeching that didn't leave our house for X number." Declan always looks like he's smiling.
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But anyway, at some point he has to be screaming and crying. Capture that.
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Yeah, yeah, we try to occasionally. It's funny you bring that up because just before the
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show we were talking we when we were at my parents this past weekend we did like
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a literally five or ten minute photo shoot with them where they took a bunch
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of pictures of the three of us that would maybe be that will maybe use in
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our Christmas card this year and I think the pictures look good but Declan's kind
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of like nonplussed about the whole thing and you know oftentimes he's pretty
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easily it's pretty easy to make him pretty happy and in these he's kind of
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like whatever. And Aaron and I were discussing, well, you know, that is a better representation
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of real life, you know, because he's usually a fairly chipper kid, but he's not always,
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you know, super excited about everything. And so we were debating and didn't really
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reach a conclusion before before I came in to record. Yeah, maybe we should just use
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one of those and that's okay. And so well, I'm trying to do better about capturing the
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annoyed Declan and the upset Declan as time goes on. All right, John, I think it's your
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Well, you might think since I suggested this exercise that I have some really clever, interesting
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things on my list, but I don't.
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That was your guys' job.
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I'm just the idea man.
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So my first one might be a surprise, but I don't think so based on what I've talked about.
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It's kind of like Marcos is like a qualified recommendation, but it is the first thing
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I thought of.
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The first tech thing I'm thankful for this year is photos.
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Apple's photo thing where they finally gave you a way to have access to all your photos
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everywhere and to put all your photos up in the cloud and charge you money for the storage
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but the prices are not so bad.
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I've had a lot of weird issues with it but I have to say all of the bugs and stuff that
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I've encountered so far have been delays not roadblocks.
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Like it's done weird things and it's been spooky and it's been weird but always eventually
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at the end of it I come out the other side with a, as far as I'm aware, completely functioning
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and working library that is all synced up and is in the cloud everywhere and is available
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on phones and now on my Mac, the photo actually performs in an acceptable manner.
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Most of the time still ignores my spacebar about 50% of the time when I hit it.
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But anyway, it's got a long way to go, but I like the fact that this is a fairly new
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program that's already been updated and the update has added minor features and improved
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performance and I'm just so glad that Apple finally has gotten their photo library up
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online and onto their servers and, you know, not stranded on one machine.
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They still have a long way to go when it comes to dealing with families and multiple photo
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libraries, but this is supposed to be a list of things I'm thankful for, not complaints.
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So photos is my number one.
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So this really does get the John Syracuse a seal of approval?
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Well, it's just because it's so much better than iPhoto.
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And a lot of people use other services like they use Google or Amazon's cloud storage
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or whatever.
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I'm not saying this is the only solution for you.
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In fact, it's probably not even the best solution for the Mac.
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everything that I've heard Google's photo solution seems to be much more
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reliable and have more features and be really cool I just we've always had our
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photos in iPhoto and so photos is the obvious and only you know transition to
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stay in the Apple you know completely the Apple ecosystem and iPhoto like
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towards the ends of his life was really terrible but in the beginning and middle
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it was pretty good especially when our library was smaller so I'm glad that
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Apple's continued to develop a program that essentially did import my iPhoto
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library in a sane way. I had to coalesce my ratings down into favorites, but I'm okay
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with that. Yeah, so I still have plenty of complaints about it, but it's just so long
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for them to do the obvious thing. We all talked about Everpix and Merced when it went out
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of business and now Apple's finally getting including, so yeah, we can upload all their
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pictures and make it so that they don't have to all be on the device, but you have access
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to them everywhere. Good idea, Apple.
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Now I've been very trigger shy on photos.
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I am a pretty devout user of Picture Life, which I really, really like.
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And I've been afraid to really get into photos just because, I don't know, it's
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always felt like I didn't want to trust Apple with this because I don't want it
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Even though I have backups, like I have Picture Life and I have two or three copies locally.
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But it just scared me.
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But to hear that it pretty much has a John Syracuse's seal of approval, that might change
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You shouldn't though, all I would say is it's like online backup.
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You just have to have, everyone should be doing this.
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If you have your photo library, there should be some place that you upload it to.
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If it's picture life, if it's Google Photos, if it's Apple's Photos thing, wherever it
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is, the whole point should be that, worst case scenario, you should still have online
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backup and you should still have local backup and you should still have local clones.
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But I like having yet another thing that is actually dedicated to photos.
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Despite all those things I just described like using backblaze or you know time machine or super duper clones
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You know you're backing up over your network to whatever you write
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On top of that to have another thing that says oh and by the way
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Every time you take a picture with your phone it gets uploaded to this cloud thing and then it gets downloaded onto your Mac and
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Every time you import photos from an SD card onto your Mac it gets uploaded into the cloud and download onto your
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Onto your phone, and you don't have to have all your photos everywhere
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But on a particular Mac you can't say please download your photos everywhere the one with the big hard drive
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So having that extra system on top of all your backups just makes me feel better about
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So it doesn't really matter if it's photos or picture life or you go back in time and
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use Everpix or another product that we might discuss in the later part of the show if we
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don't go long on this Thanksgiving stuff.
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Yeah, I'm not specifically endorsing photos.
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I'm endorsing the idea of Apple doing the obvious thing for photo services and it not
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being terrible.
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Yeah, and you know, and we had been talking and many people have been talking before they
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announced this, of like, there are other various photo solutions, things like PhotoStream before
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this, which is kind of like a half solution, and we've been calling them to do something
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like this forever, but no one thought they actually would. And then, not only did they
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do it, but it was good. Even from version 1.0, it wasn't perfect in 1.0, but it was
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pretty good, and the imperfections were only limited really to the front-end app. The actual
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end, the storage and the syncing engine, in my experience, and from what I gather, I think
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most people's experience worked solidly from day one.
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Well, there was always, like I said, there was bugs, but as long as they're not intractable.
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A lot of times, early on, people are like, "I just have a bunch of black squares," or
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in my thing, it would be like, "It thinks it has to re-upload everything, and it's mistaken
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about that," or all sorts of problems where either operations are taking a long time,
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or a couple over like crashing in the middle of the import or whatever.
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But the bottom line is, is if you just kept trying, eventually it reached a point where
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it settled down, which is not true of, for example, the time machine and spotlight thing
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that I described fighting with last time that never settled down.
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The best you can say about photos is sometimes it screwed up.
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1.0 had weird bugs, but in my personal experience is I never had to nuke and pave, right?
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Some people did.
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So, you know, obviously it's not without its bugs, but from my personal experiences, even
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Even when it was weird, it just eventually powered through with me not doing anything
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other than maybe repeatedly trying and settles into a state now where when I take a photo
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or when my wife takes a photo because the library is hers, I don't want to get into
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this, anyway, on the phone and then I go to the Mac, eventually the picture shows up and
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that's all I ask for.
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- Again, you guys keep naming stuff I like too, that really the Photos app is very, very
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good and it was very good since 1.0 and it's only gotten better with 1.1 and I still do
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all of my editing first for photos that I shoot with the big camera, I still do editing
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first in Lightroom and then I kind of like pick and edit in Lightroom and then export
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as full quality JPEG into photos because I don't care for photos editing tools too much
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but for iPhone shot pictures, they're fine and on the iPhone, I like having that ability
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and you know my fancy pictures,
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once I do like a first pass edit with Lightroom,
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I'm probably never gonna touch them after that.
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So like, you know, just do it there,
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export into Photo Library, then it's faster
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'cause it doesn't have this giant RAW file to deal with.
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And it's nice, it really is nice.
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Thanks a lot.
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- All right.
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Marco, do you wanna go again,
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or do we wanna try to reverse the order here?
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- As a snake draft?
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No, Marco goes next.
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All right, all right.
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My number two, after all your other,
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I gotta have like 10 now.
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- After you're 1.2, 1.3.
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- So my next one on the list, Jon,
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is the continued growth of podcasting.
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I have made, I have really focused my career recently
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on podcasting on a number of fronts.
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You know, we do this podcast,
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I have the podcast with my wife, Top Four,
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I have the podcast with Underscore David Smith
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called Under the Radar,
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and of course I make a podcast app called Overcast.
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I really, see Casey, this is how you plug things.
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Now I'm really, I'm just very thankful that this industry
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continues to not only exist and be healthy,
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but to thrive and to grow.
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I really, I love podcasting.
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I love it as a listener, I love it as a producer,
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I love it as a programmer, it is great.
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There is tons of opportunity as a programmer,
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as a listener, podcaster just in my life.
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I've been a podcast listener for long before
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I was really involved in them,
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and I just love listening to podcasts.
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I don't have to explain that to most people
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listening to this probably.
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And also as a podcaster, I love the act of podcasting.
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And I was, I kinda had this tweet vomiting,
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what was it, tweet storm, what do they call it
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when you just tweet too much?
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- Tweet vomiting, I think that's it, you got it.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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So I tweeted all over the place earlier today about,
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I've been pulling back a lot from blogging recently
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because the expectations and the reactions
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that you get out of blogging, for me,
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have become just really negative. Whenever I've blogged about anything substantial recently,
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I have often regretted it afterwards because the amount and the type of attention that
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results from it is not good for me. It's not pleasant. It's not satisfying. It actually
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just feels like a burden and has resulted in a lot of misunderstanding, a lot of tension,
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a lot of flames and a lot of sensationalism that I just do not want.
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Blogging also takes a long time. You know, writing is difficult. If you don't write,
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you might not realize, but writing is really quite difficult and time consuming, especially
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if you're trying to do it well. It's very, very hard to really do well. If I wanted to
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do things, like if I wanted to write this as a blog post of just like, here I am talking
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about how great podcasting is compared to blogging, this would take me probably four
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hours to write as a blog post, and it wouldn't say it as well. Meanwhile, in a podcast, I
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can, basically with no preparation, spew out random thoughts like this for about four minutes
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and have it all covered and have expressed pretty much all the same ideas, possibly even
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better, in a more informal way that you people listening to this can hear me as a human being.
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You know me from the context of the rest of the show and for any other shows you've listened
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that I've been on, you kind of give me the benefit
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of the doubt because you have some sense
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of my personality from this,
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and it's just a much more humane medium.
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So with podcasting, I don't get many flames.
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I hardly ever get any kind of negativity
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about things I say on a podcast.
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I'm able to get out way more ideas per unit of time,
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effort put into it, and it just feels better.
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It's hard to explain in full how it feels,
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but I just think for me it is right now
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a more natural communication form and a safer one
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because I'm kind of burnt out on the negativity
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that I get whenever I write anything.
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This isn't to say that I'm going to stop writing,
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but I've certainly dramatically slowed down
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and it's no coincidence.
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As I do more podcasts, I write less
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because I just find podcasting works better
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for me right now at this point in my life.
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- Yeah, I agree.
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I've really been phenomenally lucky
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to have been a part of neutral of this show of analog. My other show on Relay FM with
00:46:01
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Mike Hurley.
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Good job, Casey. Wait a plug.
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We keep setting you up for the shot. You just keep walking away.
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Wow, that's both of you with a sports metaphor. I'm very proud of you both. Anyway, so I've
00:46:14
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been very thankful to be a part of this and to be able to participate. And, you know,
00:46:18
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As we've discussed some on the show and I've discussed quite a bit on analog, I have always
00:46:25
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felt some modicum of guilt for kind of having just found my way on here by accident.
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But no, the community's been really good to me and it's been a really phenomenal—I've
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been phenomenally lucky to be a part of this and a part of the community that we're in.
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Maybe next year we can finally convince you that, like, you didn't--you aren't just, like, here accidentally.
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Like, you are a host of this show. You are one of three hosts of this show.
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You are not just some guy who we stuck in a chair. Just sit there while we talk.
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Yeah, on an infinite time scale, perhaps I'll believe that. But, um, but anyway, I can hear Jon rolling his eyes right now.
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We're all here accidentally is what I was thinking.
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That's true, actually.
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That's true.
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But no, but it's been really phenomenal and I couldn't be more thankful.
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I was going to make this joke in a really cheesy way, but I'm going to say it genuinely.
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I couldn't be more thankful to be doing it with you two fine gentlemen.
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And I'm really, I'm so unbelievably proud of the work that we've done here and unbelievably
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thankful that it's gone on as long as it has and that any of you listening to this right
00:47:33
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now have stuck around and have listened to the show as long as you have.
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So thank you to you guys and to everyone listening
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because this has been really phenomenal.
00:47:44
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- I think I would write more if I didn't have a job.
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- Amen, brother.
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- 'Cause Marco's right that like, you know,
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if you podcast more, like you can get a lot of ideas out
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that you would otherwise have to write up
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and you feel like, well, I already said it on the podcast,
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it's like out of my system.
00:47:58
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You feel like if you have something
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you just need to express, right?
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But mainly for me, I feel like it's just,
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it's not enough hours in the day.
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And it's like Marco said,
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just so much more efficient to just ramble for a couple minutes on a podcast and you
00:48:11
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feel like, "Well, that got that out of my system," when it would take way longer to
00:48:15
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write it in a nice form.
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But I feel like if I had, if I didn't have to go to work every day, I would have all
00:48:21
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those extra hours, and I probably would do the thing that Marco's done it occasionally
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and so have I, although less so now that I don't write anything anymore practically.
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But where you either talk about something on a podcast and that inspires you to write
00:48:33
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it up, or you write something on your blog and that inspires you to talk about it on
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the podcast. That synergy I still enjoy. I just never have time for the part where you
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write anything.
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fair enough. All right, so does that make it my turn I take it?
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All right, so I'd actually, this is a little bit of a cop-out, but I have other options
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as well. I actually am super thankful for my big semi-fancy camera. I have an Olympus
00:49:00
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OM-D E-M10, which is a terrible name. It is a micro four-thirds camera, and for a long
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especially after Marco and Tiff and Aaron and I got reacquainted after Marco and I lost
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touch for a long time.
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I've always been, I don't know if jealous is the word I'm looking for, but I've always
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been intrigued by really nice camera equipment.
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And I've always fancied myself, like interested in photography, but I wouldn't say I've ever
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been particularly great at it.
00:49:30
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But right before Declan was born, we finally bought this Micro Four Thirds camera, which
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was a fair bit of money. I mean, it was something like $1,500 for the camera and a couple of
00:49:40
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lenses, or the body and a couple of lenses. And I wasn't sure if it was really worth it,
00:49:44
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and Aaron wasn't sure if it was really worth it because, you know, we had, I think, a 6,
00:49:48
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an iPhone 6 at the time, which takes, it takes and took really great pictures. But I am so
00:49:54
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thankful for big digital cameras still being a thing because having a camera with, with
00:50:02
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glass that's bigger than a fingertip just makes for some incredible pictures. And it's
00:50:11
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been really awesome to see some of the pictures I've been able to capture of not only Declan,
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but my whole family and extended family through this camera that really in the grand scheme
00:50:20
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of things is not that terribly much money. And so I'm extraordinarily thankful that it
00:50:24
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exists and I'm extraordinarily thankful that I bought one and that I've been able to make
00:50:33
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some decent pictures come out of this camera.
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And so digital photography in general, not just live photos, that's what I'm thankful
00:50:41
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Yeah, I'm still jealous of all your nice cameras, but I felt like I'm going through my old photo
00:50:47
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library because I was gathering photos for holiday things as you do, and also playing
00:50:53
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with the performance of photos and the new iMac and enjoying the fact that I can scroll
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and do stuff.
00:50:59
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Although I got it, let me put an item in the notes about my latest photo complaints, because
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I don't want to do it now, but I have one.
00:51:04
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But anyway, we'll see that for the less thankful episode next week.
00:51:06
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Yeah, back to our normally scheduled complaining.
00:51:11
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But like as I scroll backwards in time towards when like my oldest child was a baby, you
00:51:17
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do see the quality of the pictures go down.
00:51:20
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I think it's going to be less pronounced for Declan because I think like, you know, the
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curve is starting to level off a little bit because there's sort of the limit of the human
00:51:31
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visual system and what feature sizes you can resolve at typical distances and blah, blah,
00:51:37
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But we got our very first digital camera ever before my son was born, my first child.
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And it was not very good quality because those were early days and you can really see it.
00:51:50
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So it's kind of a shame I can't go back in time with a fancier camera.
00:51:52
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And I think, well, maybe I'm thinking the same thing now with the current pictures I'm
00:51:55
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taking with my kid with my camera that does not cost as much as a good used car.
00:52:00
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And they're fine, they're good, but I can tell the difference between my camera and
00:52:06
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a fancy camera.
00:52:07
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Like, it's impossible not to be able to tell the difference, especially if there is not
00:52:11
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100% blazing sunlight on a clear day, then all of a sudden I can tell the difference.
00:52:16
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So I very often do consider buying fancy camera and maybe someday I will, but for now I'm
00:52:21
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limping along with my silly super zoom cameras and my iPhone.
00:52:26
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So that's not that bad.
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I'm trying to figure out what used car that's pretty good you could get for $1500.
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Honda Accord.
00:52:37
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Alright, so John, what else are you thankful for?
00:52:39
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Alright, my next item on the list is probably not surprising and boring to everybody who
00:52:45
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who is a tech nerd, including both of you,
00:52:47
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but I put it on my list anyway because I feel like
00:52:50
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this was not the summer of George,
00:52:52
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this was the year of big SSDs in my house.
00:52:54
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SSDs have been around forever.
00:52:57
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Everyone's been like, "Oh, you gotta get an SSD,
00:52:58
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it'll change your life, blah, blah, blah."
00:52:59
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But I'm like, I'm not interested
00:53:01
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until I can put all my stuff on it.
00:53:02
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Even when Fusion Drive came out,
00:53:04
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which I think was a really great idea,
00:53:05
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and from all accounts has worked really well,
00:53:06
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I'm like, but for me, I just wanna hold out
00:53:09
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until I can put all my crap on one SSD.
00:53:11
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I remember on podcasts many years ago,
00:53:13
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Was it this podcast? Was it some other one?
00:53:15
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I was like, I just want to hold out for a one terabyte SSD.
00:53:18
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Like, oh, good luck.
00:53:19
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It was going to be so expensive.
00:53:20
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You can get one today, but it's like thousands of dollars.
00:53:22
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Like, yeah, I just want to wait for them to be cheap.
00:53:24
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Oh, well, you're gonna be waiting a while.
00:53:25
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Well, I did.
00:53:26
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I waited a really long time.
00:53:27
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And eventually one terabyte SSDs became
00:53:30
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less than ridiculously expensive.
00:53:32
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Still very expensive.
00:53:34
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But as soon as they came down in price
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to like three digit prices, you know, 500, $600,
00:53:39
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I got one for my Mac.
00:53:42
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And it made a big difference, as you would imagine,
00:53:44
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from spinning this to an SSD.
00:53:45
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But the big thing for me is that they are big SSDs
00:53:48
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that I can fit all of my stuff.
00:53:50
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And the size of all of my stuff
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has changed a lot over the years.
00:53:54
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And like you're always trying to keep
00:53:57
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the all of my stuff size somewhere within the bounds
00:54:00
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of economical hard drive size,
00:54:02
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but hard drives started getting so big,
00:54:03
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like one terabyte, two terabyte, three terabyte,
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four terabyte spinning disks.
00:54:07
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It was like, oh no,
00:54:08
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I gotta make sure my stuff doesn't fill up.
00:54:09
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Well, it turns out my stuff has been growing more slowly
00:54:12
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and my stuff comfortably fits in one terabyte.
00:54:15
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So now I have a terabyte SSD.
00:54:16
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When I bought the iMac, it has a terabyte SSD.
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And now finally the two main computers in the house
00:54:23
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are all SSD out of all of our stuff on them.
00:54:25
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And I'm very happy about it.
00:54:27
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- Yeah, I held out a really long time
00:54:30
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before getting an SSD because the first computer I had
00:54:34
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with an SSD was my old work computer,
00:54:36
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which I got in the middle of 2012,
00:54:40
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was a late 2011 Hi-Rez Antigler 15-inch MacBook Pro. And I had always thought, as I often
00:54:48
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do with these things, "Oh, I'm sure it's faster, I'm sure it's great, but it can't possibly
00:54:54
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make that much, oh my God, it makes that much of a difference." It's just night and day.
00:55:00
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And because of that, I'm still rocking one of those, an identical computer to that work
00:55:04
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one except with a platter hard drive as my personal computer, and I never touch the thing
00:55:10
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because it's just unusable,
00:55:11
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because it has a platter hard drive.
00:55:13
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Get yourself an SSD, even if you get a little tiny one,
00:55:15
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and you have to put all your other data elsewhere.
00:55:18
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Just, it makes a world of difference.
00:55:20
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Definitely spend the money.
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- All right, Marco, what's next for you?
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So next for me is Slack.
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- Interesting, okay.
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- That's a good one, I would have put that on there
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if I had thought of it.
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- Yeah, I agree with that.
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- So first of all, Slack is really just good.
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As a product, Slack is good.
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It is like, when I first saw it, I thought,
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well, that's just IRC, just fancied up IRC.
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And that's true, it is just fancied up IRC,
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but it's really good.
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Turns out fancied up IRC is really nice.
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- I think the key feature is not that it's,
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like fancy. IRC, the key feature is that like it is a name brand company thing.
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You can get the Slack app for the platform of your choice and it is Slack.
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IRC has always been like, I guess you like get an IRC client or something.
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I don't really know how your client works.
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Just type slash something like, you know, it was like a client.
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Just just get Slack and then you've got it and you don't have to worry about
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people figuring out it's all point and click and limited amount of command line
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And IRC, you know, really it has a lot of shortcomings compared to Slack, you
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you know, not just the client thing,
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but just like the complexity, the geeky roots of it,
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and the limitations of it not being persistent
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on the client, like you know, it's not, yeah.
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IRC has its place, for sure, but Slack does too.
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And I think Slack is by far the more friendly option
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of the two, and it also just has way more features,
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and it's pretty nice.
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Anyway, so I like Slack a lot, and I like that,
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kind of related to earlier how I mentioned
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I was kind of worn out from negativity
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I've gotten from being so public online, Slack allows me to have these small private
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groups of friends that things that I would have previously posted to Twitter, now a lot
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of those things are going to Slack. And a lot of the conversations that I'm having,
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a lot of the keeping up with friends and what they're doing, a lot more of that is happening
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in Slack now than on Twitter for me. And I think that's good because for so long we've
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we've had things on the web where the best communication methods on the web were so often
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public or at least semi-public, like Facebook, where it's supposed to be private most of
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the time, but sometimes you mess up a setting and everything gets public or it's public
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by default or whatever. It's nice to have something that is private. I do think there's
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a place for those things and there's a balance to be struck. It's nice that we are willing
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to explore that balance rather than just make everything public and ad-driven on the entire
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internet in every way we communicate. And so it's nice. Having Slack for me has been
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a nice kind of, I don't know, like a mental reprieve from everything being in public.
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Because the fact is, so many of my friends are people who I've met in this business,
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people like you guys who I work with, who I don't live near. It's not like I can
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and have lunch with you guys every day,
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I work at home for myself.
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I have lunch with my wife and my kid and my dog,
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but my friend interactions are limited
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mostly to online stuff.
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So it's nice to have just like a kind of like private,
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safe place for that to happen.
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And not only does Slack provide that for me,
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but from what I hear from a lot of other people,
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it provides that to lots of people.
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It isn't just like a that's fine for Marco thing,
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like a lot of people use Slack this way
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in small groups with their friends.
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And it's really great for that.
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I'm very thankful that such a thing not only exists,
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but is getting enough traction to be useful.
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- The comedy of this is that, as we record,
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today Slack was down for many people for like half the day.
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- I wasn't gonna mention that, but yeah.
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- Doesn't matter.
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This is the first time I've ever seen downtime.
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- This is the honeymoon period
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before Marco goes on a big rant
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about Slack being a centralized thing
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under control by a single company
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and how they're screwing all the clients
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and messing up their API
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and are foisting ads on people who use Stack.
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So enjoy it while it let-- no, I'm being negative.
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Anyway, I echo everything that Marco said, basically,
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like in the big continuum of between public and like I am
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is the private thing.
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It's like a small group, one on one, completely private.
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You have instant message.
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And then out in public, you have web forums or comments
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or bulletin boards and then later things like Twitter
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and stuff like that.
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And then Slack is a nice middle ground,
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kind of the same middle ground that Google+
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was going for but missed, where it's not one to one like I am
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and it's not in public, or email for that matter,
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and it's not in public like message boards or Twitter,
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it's in between and it's nice.
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The only downside of course is now that we're all
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in a million different slacks because these in between
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things are sort of self organizing groups of people
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around particular interests or institutions or whatever.
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And those circles overlap a lot,
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but we have to be in all of them.
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If you want to keep up with this group of friends
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and that group of friends and that group of friends,
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then you're in three slacks that form
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this weird Venn diagram.
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Sometimes I have trouble keeping track of what slack I said which it was all in the
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same application.
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It's one stupid single window.
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Work on that guys.
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You know I like windows.
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John Siracusa says, "I need more windows please.
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What a surprise."
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More than one?
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Call me crazy.
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I've got a big screen here.
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I lose track of where I said things and which group of friends I said them to and who is
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on what page about what.
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But I think anyway, I think that's a good problem to have and I have liked having this
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middle ground, even though it has meant one more place for me to check for things that
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have gone on. I am not a Slack completionist, so I don't have that problem. But still, I
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do have to. And Slack, to its credit, gives you lots of really cool options for how you
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want to be notified and about what. So I like it, too. I'm sad that I didn't put it on my
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list. No, I'm the Marco stealing things from other people's lists. I should have thought
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of that. Marco is the TIFF.
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I completely agree with Slack.
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And it doesn't matter who your particular group of friends is or whatever the case may
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be, just having a group of people, even be it friends or family, that you can communicate
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with often geographically all over the place is just really fantastic.
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And one of the things I love about Slack that has in some ways ruined me for like iMessage
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and other things is the rich text previews or whatever you call them.
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So if you put a link to a tweet into a Slack channel, it will do its best to expand that
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tweet and show you the contents of the tweet and maybe even a picture if there's media
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And oh my god, I wish I could have that for iMessage.
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That would be so, so useful.
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And I really love that feature.
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It's such a silly thing, but it makes a world of difference.
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So it's my turn.
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This is a weird one.
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I am super thankful for my lightning to HDMI adapter, which is an odd thing to say. But
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this past weekend, as with many weekends in the fall, Aaron and I went to see the University
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of Virginia play football. Aaron is a Wahoo. I am actually a Hokie, which means I went
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to Virginia Tech. We are big rivals. Just go with it, Marco.
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This is like when John talked about Destiny. This is just another language.
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We're gonna cut this out just like the Cooley stuff, right?
01:04:07
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That cuts deep, John. So anyway, so, um, we, so basically we are big rival schools.
01:04:13
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So Marco, this is like TIFF going to Michigan. Does that make more sense to you?
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Yes. That is the one sports rivalry that I'm familiar with, simply because I grew up in Columbus, so that's...
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You couldn't not know about that one.
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Fun fact, the correct answer is actually Penn State. But anyway, the point is that...
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...we went to rival schools. Just let it go.
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Wait, wait, like OSU and Penn State are rivals?
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Not Michigan?
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And Michigan.
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Well, no, no, no.
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You are right to say Michigan and Ohio State, but in the same conference as Penn State,
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both my younger brothers went to Penn State, so that's where my association is.
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But anyway, so the point, I bring all this up, because we went tailgating.
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Yay, sports ball!
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So when we went tailgating, you know, we've, over the years, we've been doing this for
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few years now. We've upgraded our tailgate setup from, you know, just a grill to a grill
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and a kind of okay generator to a grill and a kind of fancy generator and so grill, fancy
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generator and TV. And this year, this past weekend actually, it just so happened that
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my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies were playing a noon game that I really wanted to watch
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and the UVA game was at 3.30.
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And so we were tailgating while the Hokies were playing,
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and it was on ESPN.
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The problem with that is we have an over-the-air antenna
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that we bring to the tailgate.
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And it's full HD, so we can watch all the local channels
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in Charlottesville on HD in the middle of a parking lot,
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basically, at the University of Virginia,
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which is really incredible.
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And I'm thankful for that, too.
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But in this case, it was ESPN.
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And so what I did was I got on my phone,
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And I plugged my phone into the Lightning T HDMI adapter, plugged an HDMI cable from
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that into the TV, and we were able to watch my beloved Virginia Tech Hokies lose as we're
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sitting in the middle of this parking lot at UVA.
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Which is just, I mean, to think about it, like, I remember watching Nickelodeon as a
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kid and watching, like, Double Dare and some of those game shows, and you would see that,
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like, the grand prize was this god-awful terrible video phone.
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But this was like, you know, the early 90s.
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And so you could probably only video dial like two other people in the entire country.
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But you know, it was this little postage stamp size, like black and white video phone, and
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it was amazing.
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And I remember thinking to myself, how could that possibly be that you could see video,
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you know, on a telephone?
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And then fast forward, what is it, 15, 20 years, whatever the case may be, and I'm sitting
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in a parking lot with a full 32 inch TV showing a picture that's coming off my cellular telephone.
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Like it's just ridiculous that that's a possibility. And so this little obscenely expensive $50
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lightning to HDMI adapter made all that possible. That and my data, which of course it was like two
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weeks ago that I finally ditched my unlimited data plan, which is perhaps not a good choice.
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But so it only cost me like two or three gigs of data for the two or three hours that we were
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watching the football game.
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So I'm really thankful for that.
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You should take your old Apple TV once you get your new one, duct tape it to the back
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of your TV, and then you just airplay it.
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You can just airplay to it.
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You can get a refund on the $50 cable that'll cut into the price of the new Apple TV.
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Yeah, and then you could also charge your phone.
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Yeah, that makes it so much better.
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Well, I was able to charge my phone because one of the ports on the Lightning to HDMI
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adapter is another Lightning port.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Yeah, so it passes through power, and since we had a generator right there, I passed through
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power to the phone, which worked out really well.
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I'm concerned about how much noxious fumes you're inhaling with this generator that's
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like running next to your car in a parking lot with a bunch of other people, or is this
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a Mr. Fusion where you just put banana peels into it?
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No, no, no. So it's actually a very, very fancy generator. It's not ours. It's one of
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the guys we tailgate with. But it's an inverter generator, so it emits a perfect sine wave,
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which is pretty cool.
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No, no, I'm talking about the...
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No, no, no, no, no. I know. I understand what you're saying. I was just an aside. So,
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But we bring like these 50-foot extension cords. So the thing is like 50 feet away from us,
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probably near somebody else. But it's in the other air, right? Okay, I got it.
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Not our problem. And strictly speaking, like where we tailgate is actually not, it's not a
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parking lot. We're in a little field in front of the astronomy building, EVA, don't be creepy.
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And so it's a small field. And we try to point the generator pretty much away from everyone else,
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but it's not near us. And yet I remain concerned. How about just like, can't you just have Marco
01:08:42
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come and just park his Tesla next to you and use the big battery? If I would kill to have Marco
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come to a football game with me that would be amazing. But no, it's not quite that simple.
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But I think that would do it though. Like the generator, you just need electric power, right?
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So if you go there in an electric car with a huge battery fully charged, that'll do you for
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tailgating, right? Probably. Maybe. I mean the TV we use is old so it's probably not very efficient.
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But there are times when we'll use like a griddle. So for example this upcoming weekend,
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it's our big game. It's Aaron's team and my team playing each other, and this year it's in
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Charlottesville, so we're going to go. And we are probably going to use a griddle, which is a heating
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element, which is, you know, a million watts. And so for that you'd probably want a generator
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because it would drain Marco's Phantom Tesla in like three and a half seconds.
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I don't think it would.
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Being a little facetious here, but...
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Let's do the math. Someone in this chat room, get out of the slide rule.
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- Well, for one thing, I know that to charge a Tesla
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from like a 40 amp outlet still takes like 10 hours.
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You don't realize how much power they have.
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Now granted, it's not perfectly efficient
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while converting the power, but it takes a ridiculous
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amount of power to move a car like that.
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- Yeah, you should realize how much power it is just by
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is not even doing the math, by thinking about
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they're taking this multi-thousand dollar car
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and accelerating it and decelerating it
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and pushing it through the wind for, you know, 300 miles.
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Anyway, this is the future of tailgating.
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Mark my words, electric powered pickup trucks,
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or the entire bed is a bunch of lithium-ion batteries.
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- You're probably right.
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Quick real-time follow-up, two quick things.
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First of all, it occurred to me that tailgating
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is probably a uniquely American thing.
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- I sure hope so.
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- Maybe the Australians get it,
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'cause they're America-lite.
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- Oh, God, please email Casey.
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- Yeah, please email me.
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I didn't mean that in a defensive way,
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but I'm screwed now.
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Anyway, so what that means is,
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So before a football game or egg ball game, depending on how you look at it, a lot of
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times what people will do is they will go to the parking lot outside the stadium they're
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going to and they will consume adult beverages and, you know, just kind of chat and hang
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out and grill food and eat food and do all the things you would expect a bunch of Americans
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to do, but do it outside.
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And so some people take it a little more seriously, like we do, and bring a generator so they
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can watch other football games while they're waiting to watch the football game they want
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to see. That's what tailgating is, and the etymology there is because oftentimes you'll
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hang out around the tailgate of a pickup truck, although neither of us have pickup trucks.
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And the other piece of real-time follow-up, it is not the Lightning to HDMI adapter. The
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official name is Lightning Digital AV Adapter, which I would have known had I done my homework.
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So John, your turn.
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John: This is my last one on my list, unless I can think of something else before we do
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the next round, although we're coming to the end of the show anyway, so maybe this will
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one more I want to talk about but carry I know so well you guys will have the lightning round after this
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In case you guys did his lightning item. I know I was about to say I
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Was too early on that one this one should be easy to guess for anyone who's been listening to me on this or any other
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Podcast the my third item is destiny
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Which counts of course tech product? Yeah?
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Like not since quake 3 arena and unreal tournament 2004 have I spent this much time playing a single video game my playstation 4 is
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Essentially a destiny machine especially since I've removed it from the television for terrible burn-in reasons
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All I do on that thing is play destiny and I play it a lot and I'm afraid to look at the total number
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of hours recently about
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You would think it would get boring but you know obviously it's an MMO
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So you're playing with other people and that extends life of the game
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It's the same reason quick through arena and unreal tournament were for so long because you are playing with other people
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So the game is much less predictable than playing like a single-player game
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Or a game against computer-controlled opponents because people are inscrutable
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And kind of like quick theory in an unreal tournament. There is a steady flow of content
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Back in the old days it was maps that other people would make so you download new wraps for
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Quake or new maps for unreal and you try them out sometimes the new maps would come from the people who made the games most
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of the times not and in the case of
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Destiny all the new contents coming from Bungie
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But they've had a steady stream of expansions that yes you pay for but like I was talking about this someone
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recently like the dollar per hour of enjoyment I've gotten a destiny there
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its ratio is phenomenal compared to pretty much anything else like because
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yeah it is 60 bucks for the game 30 bucks for an expansion 40 bucks or no
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expansion but do the division on the number of hours and you're like oh this
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is like the cheapest entertainment dollars ever so the expansions really
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have kept it fresh for me and you know the constant adjustments to the game and
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the systems in the game and the items and everything that Bungie is doing for
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Just from week to week not just for the expansions, but from week to week
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They're doing little tweaks here and there and explaining why they do them. That's an interesting sort of surrounding
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Context for the game where there's the game and then there's the talking about the game
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Then there's the reading about the future things that are gonna be down in the game, and I think for the most part
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Bungie has been keeping things moving in the right direction
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It's a few you know questionable decisions that they're going back and forth on but 2.0 the big 2.0 change to the entire game
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engine really addressed a lot of the worst parts of the progression system in the early
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game. So Destiny is my first MMO because I generally hate MMOs but I really like first
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person shooter games and Destiny is a really good first person shooter and as far as I
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can tell having never played any MMOs before I think it's a really fun MMO too so thumbs
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up on Destiny. Did you ever get into Counter Strike out of curiosity? It's not quite the
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same kind of game. I mean but it is though. You're playing against other human beings
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and so it's much more interesting than playing it by yourself.
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I tend to stay away from the more militaristic first-person shooters.
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They've never really appealed to...
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The closer they get to real-life guns,
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because I'm not a real-life gun aficionado,
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so the closer they get to real-life guns and real-life military,
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I just find it off-putting, even though Counter-Strike is still, you know,
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basically like I say about Quick 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament,
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it's basically a game of tag.
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It has very little to do with actual guns,
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but it's close enough that it sort of repels me a little bit, which is why I prefer completely fantastical, you know,
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space marines or shooting aliens or powered armor or whatever other weird stuff you've got in franchises like
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Halo or even something like Gears of War kind of, I guess, but I tend to stay away from the military things.
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And Destiny, I guess technically they're kind of the military, but it's really just like lasers and pew pew and space aliens.
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I only ask because I logged a lot of time playing Counter-Strike when I was at Virginia Tech and not doing the things
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I should have been doing like studying. But yeah, I loved Counter-Strike and I loved Quake as well. I think Quake 2
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was so long ago. I think that was my jam, but gosh, it was forever ago.
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Does that mean we're out of sponsors? So I guess Marco, want to do your lightning round entry?
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It's it's a little bit this barely made on the list really because I'm still a little bit like 50/50 on how much I like
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It but pretty safe to number six
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I'm gonna go with the Apple watch
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because it really has
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driven a positive influence in my life and
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The Apple watch itself. I keep this is another one of those blog posts
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I keep trying to write and starting to write and failing to write
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I keep meaning to write my Apple Watch six months in post,
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which of course now it's like seven months in.
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I started writing it when it was three months in.
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And the Apple Watch, it's easy to just look at it now
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and assume it's always been here
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because I do wear mine every day.
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I've tried going without it for a few days
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and I don't miss it as much as I think I would
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before I do it.
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And there are parts of it that haven't been
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as sticky for me just because they aren't that reliable.
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And the things that I like about it,
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there's an asterisk after each one.
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I do love it for notifications.
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I do love it for very quick Siri things.
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I do love it for the activity tracking.
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And I do love having the weather thing on the face
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and the other complications.
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But all those things are kinda like 75% there.
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So this is kinda tentatively there.
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I'm very happy this product exists,
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but I think it still needs a lot more work
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on both the hardware and the software
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before it's very good.
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But I do like where it is now,
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and it did something that I didn't think was possible,
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which is it transformed me into being a watch person.
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As I mentioned when it was new,
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I hadn't worn a watch before this since high school.
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Now that we're in the cell phone revolution,
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I really didn't see the point of a watch.
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But now that I have one, I like it a lot,
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And so now I'm starting to look at other watches
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that don't have screens and don't have batteries.
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- That's when you need another expensive hobby, right?
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- Isn't that great?
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And I'm starting to take joy in the design of nice watches.
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And so it's kinda nice, you know?
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So we'll see what happens.
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But I like the Apple Watch in general.
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It's a good product.
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I wouldn't say it's necessarily a great one yet,
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but it is a good product now.
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and it has driven positive change in my life.
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So I appreciate that.
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- You know, it's funny you bring up the Apple Watch
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as your lightning round entry,
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because my lightning round entry is the Apple Watch.
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I was going to say the exact same thing,
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and I think the piece that is most startling to me
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is the notifications, which you brought up a moment ago.
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I haven't heard my phone,
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except when I've accidentally turned the ringer back on,
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since I received my Apple Watch, which was what,
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like May or something like that?
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- Yeah, about that.
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- So I haven't heard my phone since then,
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and I think that's a good thing.
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And I had, even before the Apple Watch,
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I had called a lot of my notifications
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and brought that number way, way, way down.
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And I turned off a lot of Twitter notifications.
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I turned off Instagram notifications,
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a lot of those that I really didn't need
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to be notified about, I had turned off.
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And even with all of those notifications off,
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I haven't turned those back on since I've gotten the watch,
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but even what remains, things like text messages,
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or emails from VIPs or what have you,
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nobody else has to know when that stuff is happening.
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I get a nice little tap tap tap on my wrist,
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and that's that.
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And I really, really, really love that.
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And I too have, in my list of things to do,
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my six months in, now seven months in Apple Watch post,
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I too have been procrastinating
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because I haven't figured out what my angle is really,
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But I completely concur with you that, especially for a device that has with most things I hemmed
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and hawed about, I'm really glad I got it.
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I love it so much for just keeping that noise clutter out of my life.
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And yes, of course, I'm still getting notified about these things, but I don't know, just
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having it be silent, I just like so much.
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And maybe it's just because I feel like it's kind of disrespectful to have your devices
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binging and bonging while other people are around.
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And I just love that my phone has been silent since May, and that's really awesome.
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Oh, God, now I'm sad.
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Now I'm sad.
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Yeah, you brought it up.
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I was going to say, if you two had not mentioned the Apple Watch, it would have been weird
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to have none of us mention Apple's new product line, like the latest big thing—I guess
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we're not counting Apple TV, which none of us also mentioned. But the latest big thing from Apple,
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the Apple Watch, kind of towards the end of our list. I probably wouldn't put it on mine,
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mostly because the Apple Watch has not changed the fact that I am not a watch person. I do not
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like things attached to my wrist. My wife is currently real-time heckling me about how often
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I forget to put my watch on. And my plan, what I'm doing is I plan to always wear it to work,
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but I very often forget. When I do wear it to work, I find it convenient, just like you said
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Casey, to have the little tap taps on the wrist, to be able to have it track. Even though I don't
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do what Marco does with actually trying to fill the circles and stuff, I do like to get the stand
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up reminders and I do make a little bit of extra effort to be more mobile at work. Because it
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basically reminds you, it's like all those apps I have run various times for RSI and my Mac to
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to remind you, hey, I know you're kind of like in the zone
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on some issue, but remember to get up and just like,
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go refill your water cup or, you know,
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take a walk around or do something else.
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And I do find it especially convenient,
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so I don't have to take out my phone,
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even if my phone is sitting on the desk,
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it just seems so much, and even with touch ID,
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it seems like so much more of an effort
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to pick the thing up, put my thumb on the thing
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on my incredibly slow iPhone 6 without the S
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to wait those extra seven milliseconds
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for the thumbprint to go on.
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Whereas in the watch, none of that is involved
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and you can just look at it.
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And Apple Pay on the watch, I find it also much nicer
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than doing Apple Pay on the phone.
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I do like Apple Pay, I use it whenever I possibly can,
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I use Apple Pay and the double tap on the watch is nicer
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than again, putting the phone new to the thing
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and trying to do the thumbprint,
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no, it's not reading my touch ID
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and then it's just automatically unlocked on your wrist.
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So I wouldn't put it on my list
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because it is just reinforced that I'm not a watch person.
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I can also say that the watch is like something that, I'm not going to say I wouldn't have
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bought it on my own because I did buy it on my own, but it was kind of like, well, I should
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probably buy it to see, but all the fuss is about like, it's kind of like I bought it
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for work, work being this podcast.
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Whereas if I wasn't on a podcast and wasn't writing about tech stuff, I probably wouldn't
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have bought it.
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In the end, I'm still glad I bought it, but let's put it this way, I'm not going to be
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rushing out to buy the next version of the Apple Watch.
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wait a couple of revisions until it gets way thinner.
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Because I think a lot of my resistance to the watch is not the Apple Watch specifically,
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but watches in general.
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I just don't like things on my wrist.
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So if they can make things smaller and lighter and less like an Airstream trailer, that will
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make it more attractive to me.
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Oh, God, that's fantastic.
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And I know I said it earlier, but it would really be wrong of me not to say thanks to
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all our listeners one more time and our sponsors as well.
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So thank you to our listeners and to our three sponsors.
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Space, Automatic, and Bushel.
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- All right.
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And we will see you next week.
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Are we doing a tag team?
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I got the, I'm with you.
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We will see you next week.
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Do you say we will see you?
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We don't actually see them.
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- I do say that.
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Thank you for ruining it now.
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- All right, it's fine.
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I just, I don't want you to, don't overthink it.
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♪ Now the show is over ♪
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♪ They didn't even mean to begin ♪
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♪ 'Cause it was accidental ♪
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♪ Accidental ♪
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Oh it was accidental John didn't do any research
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Margo and Casey wouldn't let him Cause it was accidental
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It was accidental And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
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And if you're into Twitter You can follow them @CASEYLISS
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That's Casey List, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M,
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Auntie Marco Armin, S-I-R-A-C,
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USA, Syracuse.
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It's accidental.
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It's accidental.
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They didn't mean to.
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Tech podcast so long.
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That was awesome.
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That was a really good idea, John.
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I do want to add one more kind of bonus one.
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- Of course you don't.
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- Oh, here we go.
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- So one is the Apple Pencil,
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and this is a really short one
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because it's easy when you say,
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you know, what's the best of the year?
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The stuff that came most recently
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tends to be more weighted in your mind.
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So I don't know what I'm gonna think long term about it,
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but the Apple Pencil is really cool.
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And yes, the Apple TV is also new.
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The Apple TV, I think, is more of a mixed bag
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in terms of complexity
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and some of its remaining shortcomings and everything.
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But the Apple Pencil really only does one thing,
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and it does that one thing already today from day one,
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and it does it shockingly well once you can find one.
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But it does it shockingly well, and it is so good,
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and it's so nice to use that it is making me
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keep borrowing Tiff's iPad Pro,
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and keep wishing I had more of a reason to use this pencil.
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Because I am not a visual artist,
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I don't illustrate things, I don't make diagrams,
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I don't take notes.
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I don't really have a good reason to use it,
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but I wish I did because it's just so pleasant
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and delightful and just like technically satisfying
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like once I know how good it is.
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Like it's just so nice to use.
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- So what are you doing with it?
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- Right now I'm just playing around.
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Maybe I should start trying to take notes on things.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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Right now I'm just playing around.
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And then the second thing is Tesla.
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I don't own a Tesla yet.
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I'm planning on buying one soon,
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but I don't own one yet.
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But one thing I like about Tesla,
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and I think in 2015 they really came into their own
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with this, that, you know, in the absence of Steve Jobs now,
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the world is kind of low on genius billionaires
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that are kind of near the tech industry
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that are making things really interesting for everybody.
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And it's fun to be in one of those groups.
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Like it was fun to be a fan of Apple
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when Steve was really at his peak,
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which is unfortunate right before he died.
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But it's fun to be a fan of a crazy billionaire company
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that's doing crazy good things.
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Jeff Bezos has always almost been that kind of person,
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but not that kind of person.
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Steve Jobs definitely was,
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and I think Elon Musk is that kind of person,
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and where, yeah, he's out of his mind,
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but he's also a genius, and he also is very driven
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to keep making really interesting products
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that are pushing things forward in this area
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that he's working in.
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And so I think what Tesla's doing is really cool.
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Even if I don't end up buying one,
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which honestly I probably will buy one,
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I've pretty much decided that now,
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but it's just really cool to be in one of those fandoms
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of these kind of products by these crazy billionaires again
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because they do things that seem so audacious.
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And when they do them well, it's really nice.
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And Apple did it well.
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And now Tesla seems to be doing it well.
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And so that's pretty cool.
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- Activision is kind of like a crazy billionaire.
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Maybe we should try Destiny.
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- You should do some googling for Activision.
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They are actually pretty crazy.