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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hey, everybody.

00:00:08 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:08 ◼   ► This is wild.

00:00:10 ◼   ► A little bit.

00:00:11 ◼   ► This is a lot of people, but that's cool.

00:00:14 ◼   ► So thanks, everyone, for coming.

00:00:16 ◼   ► This is super awesome.

00:00:17 ◼   ► And thank you again to the AltConf people

00:00:19 ◼   ► for making this all happen.

00:00:21 ◼   ► This is really, really great.

00:00:22 ◼   ► And we don't really have an agenda here,

00:00:24 ◼   ► because this is the Accidental Tech Podcast.

00:00:26 ◼   ► So I think you had something you wanted

00:00:28 ◼   ► to discuss with the group.

00:00:29 ◼   ► - Well, I just have format notes.

00:00:31 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:00:34 ◼   ► How many people in this room regularly listen

00:00:37 ◼   ► to the live stream?

00:00:38 ◼   ► Well, anyway, if you listen to the live stream,

00:00:40 ◼   ► and for everyone else, you listen to the downloaded podcast,

00:00:43 ◼   ► it's edited, and during the live stream,

00:00:44 ◼   ► we just do a bunch of stuff,

00:00:45 ◼   ► and then Marco turns it into a show.

00:00:47 ◼   ► And so we're gonna do a bunch of stuff here,

00:00:50 ◼   ► including listening to Marco do an Ed Reads live,

00:00:52 ◼   ► which is always fun.

00:00:53 ◼   ► But I have a format question for all three of us,

00:00:56 ◼   ► which I didn't mention before,

00:00:57 ◼   ► but at some point during this show, during this recording,

00:01:00 ◼   ► Marco's gonna hit a button

00:01:01 ◼   ► that's gonna play our theme song.

00:01:04 ◼   ► What happens after that?

00:01:05 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:07 ◼   ► - So, this has been, I've been kind of postponing

00:01:10 ◼   ► thinking about this.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Mike had a good idea of why don't we have the audience

00:01:15 ◼   ► sing the theme song along.

00:01:16 ◼   ► (cheering)

00:01:19 ◼   ► This is exactly the kind of thing

00:01:21 ◼   ► that would be totally way too mortifying

00:01:24 ◼   ► for the three of us to do.

00:01:25 ◼   ► But there's a whole room of people here who might feel differently.

00:01:29 ◼   ► So I think that's how we should solve that.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Alright, but after the song, then what happens?

00:01:34 ◼   ► We talk about cars.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Then we keep talking.

00:01:36 ◼   ► But do they file out while we talk about cars?

00:01:39 ◼   ► Hi everybody.

00:01:41 ◼   ► We'll figure it out when we get there.

00:01:42 ◼   ► That's the other question. I'm afraid to ask this, but I'm going to now.

00:01:45 ◼   ► How many people know what happens on the podcast after the theme song?

00:01:50 ◼   ► That's most people.

00:01:52 ◼   ► - Is anybody not raising their hand?

00:01:54 ◼   ► People don't know what happens.

00:01:56 ◼   ► Snapchalk.

00:01:56 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:01:58 ◼   ► Alright, I got it.

00:02:00 ◼   ► What I'm getting at is I don't know how we're gonna end

00:02:02 ◼   ► this podcast, like literally I don't know how we're gonna

00:02:04 ◼   ► end it because we just kind of tail off

00:02:06 ◼   ► in the actual recording.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Anyway, this is all pre-show.

00:02:09 ◼   ► What you're hearing now, this is called pre-show

00:02:10 ◼   ► and this is the stuff that we do while we're trying

00:02:12 ◼   ► to figure out when we're gonna record.

00:02:13 ◼   ► Anyway, I think I got that in my system.

00:02:14 ◼   ► You have any more pre-show stuff?

00:02:16 ◼   ► - Let's get on with the show.

00:02:17 ◼   ► (beeping)

00:02:18 ◼   ► - Oh my word.

00:02:19 ◼   ► (audience applauding)

00:02:22 ◼   ► So, for an accidental tech podcast,

00:02:25 ◼   ► we don't mess around around these parts.

00:02:27 ◼   ► So I spent a lot of money today.

00:02:29 ◼   ► I just thought I'd let everyone know.

00:02:30 ◼   ► - You're not starting with that, you're already off track.

00:02:32 ◼   ► - Well, this is how it works, this is how it works.

00:02:35 ◼   ► This is what we do.

00:02:36 ◼   ► John is so--

00:02:37 ◼   ► - All right, go ahead, you can have your moment.

00:02:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I bought a MacBook Adorable,

00:02:42 ◼   ► and I'm really excited about that.

00:02:43 ◼   ► So, finally the MacBook Adorable has been updated.

00:02:46 ◼   ► I am very stoked, and I'm really excited for it to arrive

00:02:49 ◼   ► like three freaking weeks because I went all in and got the super fancy one humble brag

00:02:54 ◼   ► not so humble brag whatever and I'm really excited that that happened and that's really

00:02:58 ◼   ► all I care about and oh yeah iPad stuff happened and we can I guess we're done.

00:03:01 ◼   ► I love that you are the only it's like you ever see the pictures of the highways when

00:03:06 ◼   ► a place is being evacuated for a hurricane and you see like there's like all the people

00:03:10 ◼   ► going one direction and there's one car going the other way like this is the entire rest

00:03:17 ◼   ► of the universe right now is like oh my god, iPad productivity, this is the future, they

00:03:22 ◼   ► basically made it the Mac, asterisk, asterisk, so we're going there and you're like yeah

00:03:28 ◼   ► you know what this is the perfect time to stop using my iPad. I know this is great!

00:03:32 ◼   ► Finally! Where is Federico? I don't know where he is but I'm so sorry buddy. I don't think

00:03:37 ◼   ► this is going to put a damper on his day. No, not at all. I don't think that's possible.

00:03:41 ◼   ► Alright so we gotta get this show on the road, I should stop distracting everyone. So today

00:03:45 ◼   ► Today is the first day of WWDC.

00:03:48 ◼   ► The keynote was just a few hours ago.

00:03:50 ◼   ► I don't know when Mark will get the chance to release this as a proper version of the

00:03:53 ◼   ► episode or a proper version of the show.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Tonight, I'm dedicated.

00:03:56 ◼   ► Oh, that's intense.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Well, I'm not staying up that late, but I don't ever get involved with that anyway because

00:04:00 ◼   ► I'm a big diva.

00:04:01 ◼   ► Anyhow, the keynote was today.

00:04:05 ◼   ► The keynote was today and it was quick.

00:04:09 ◼   ► They set a really high bar for us getting through this show quickly, which is something

00:04:13 ◼   ► that the three of us are entirely incapable of doing.

00:04:17 ◼   ► So this is going to be a little bit interesting.

00:04:19 ◼   ► - Well this is gonna be like a John Godfather situation

00:04:23 ◼   ► where like the commentary is probably gonna be--

00:04:25 ◼   ► - I was Goodfellas, not the Godfather.

00:04:26 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:04:30 ◼   ► - Of course it was, of course.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, but this keynote was like a speed run.

00:04:34 ◼   ► Like at first Kevin Lynch was up there

00:04:35 ◼   ► and he was going fast, I thought maybe

00:04:37 ◼   ► because he was nervous, but everybody went really fast

00:04:39 ◼   ► because they had so much stuff.

00:04:40 ◼   ► And I guess we're gonna go through it in keynote order,

00:04:43 ◼   ► which means like the exciting things are at the end because they save them to the end. So we

00:04:46 ◼   ► have a bunch of unexciting things in the beginning. >> So, TV OS. So I have a question. Was the OS

00:04:52 ◼   ► or any part of the OS actually mentioned? Or actually changed? Because a content deal is not

00:05:01 ◼   ► the OS. As far as I can tell the OS is unchanged. >> Did you watch State of the Union? They

00:05:07 ◼   ► showed one slide that showed that they had some new things for helping, I don't know, they had

00:05:10 ◼   ► bunch of icons that made me think they added some more navigation stuff. But anyway, nothing

00:05:14 ◼   ► new in TV that we care about, right? Well, the funny thing is, back six months ago, before

00:05:18 ◼   ► I knew that the Grand Tour was a pile of garbage, I would have been super amped to have Amazon

00:05:23 ◼   ► Prime Video on the Apple TV. And as it turns out... There's still Man in the High Castle,

00:05:27 ◼   ► there's good shows on Amazon. Yeah, well, either way, all I cared about was the Grand

00:05:31 ◼   ► Tour and now it's just a disaster. So, I mean, I'm excited, I guess. This is perhaps the

00:05:36 ◼   ► the damn breaking, which is really exciting,

00:05:38 ◼   ► but I don't know, TV OS, meh, so let's move on.

00:05:41 ◼   ► Watch OS was next, right?

00:05:43 ◼   ► - And there wasn't that much more there.

00:05:45 ◼   ► There was a little bit of new stuff in Watch OS.

00:05:47 ◼   ► I think it's interesting, you know,

00:05:48 ◼   ► like I was kind of predicting that this would be

00:05:49 ◼   ► like a kind of a quiet year for those two.

00:05:51 ◼   ► And I think that mostly panned out.

00:05:52 ◼   ► Most of my other predictions were horrendously wrong,

00:05:54 ◼   ► but this one I think I actually got.

00:05:55 ◼   ► - Siri everywhere, I thought you were on the right track

00:05:57 ◼   ► 'cause they're like, oh, the Siri watch face,

00:05:59 ◼   ► we really are gonna see Siri everywhere.

00:06:01 ◼   ► - So the watch, I'm like, okay, the watch is computer.

00:06:05 ◼   ► like you can make it be anything,

00:06:07 ◼   ► you can make it show anything.

00:06:08 ◼   ► You can give it the intelligence to say,

00:06:10 ◼   ► I don't always want to have set at the bottom

00:06:13 ◼   ► if I occasionally want a timer down there,

00:06:15 ◼   ► but when a timer's running, I want it to be on screen.

00:06:18 ◼   ► And so they have this potential since day one

00:06:20 ◼   ► of the watch to be like, we can make it smart.

00:06:23 ◼   ► It's a smart watch, so we can only show stuff

00:06:25 ◼   ► that you need to care about at that moment.

00:06:26 ◼   ► But it's mostly been unrealized on the watch face

00:06:28 ◼   ► as they've been pretty much static,

00:06:30 ◼   ► like you could make multiple ones now with three,

00:06:32 ◼   ► but the complications you would set up

00:06:35 ◼   ► would be pretty much fixed, and it wasn't actually

00:06:38 ◼   ► being very smart about that.

00:06:40 ◼   ► So now they make a face where they actually

00:06:42 ◼   ► make something smart, but it's only on that face?

00:06:45 ◼   ► Like you can't just put a smart complication

00:06:48 ◼   ► as like the big bottom one in some of the other faces

00:06:51 ◼   ► or anything like that.

00:06:52 ◼   ► Why, it's a good step to get smarter,

00:06:55 ◼   ► but why is it only on that one

00:06:57 ◼   ► kind of interestingly designed face?

00:06:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I thought when they were showing that segment,

00:07:00 ◼   ► it's like, oh, you're gonna be able to swipe

00:07:02 ◼   ► your complications or make your own smart face

00:07:04 ◼   ► different times of day but no you're right it's just all one face and all

00:07:07 ◼   ► Siri focused it doesn't even look like a watch and I don't know I mean I maybe

00:07:11 ◼   ► it's just a start to this I for a brief moment I thought they were gonna say

00:07:14 ◼   ► third-party watch faces yes I thought it was for like eight seconds there was a

00:07:18 ◼   ► little glimmer of hope at the beginning there yeah yeah I thought your worlds

00:07:21 ◼   ► were gonna collide Marco where you have watches and and you can make your own

00:07:25 ◼   ► face and you can make it as fancy as you wanted you know because your watch is

00:07:28 ◼   ► not very smart I don't know if for those who aren't here he's wearing a proper

00:07:31 ◼   ► mechanical watch so yours is not a very intelligent watch.

00:07:35 ◼   ► - It's a feature watch.

00:07:36 ◼   ► - It's a feature.

00:07:37 ◼   ► (laughter)

00:07:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's, you know, I do want the watch

00:07:42 ◼   ► to take advantage of the fact that it's a computer.

00:07:44 ◼   ► And they clearly, they now are considering things

00:07:47 ◼   ► like the intelligence of the face by making the Siri face

00:07:50 ◼   ► that's more dynamic with what it's showing you,

00:07:52 ◼   ► but they didn't take it far enough.

00:07:53 ◼   ► So maybe in the future they will, I hope they do.

00:07:55 ◼   ► - They did a lot of workout stuff,

00:07:56 ◼   ► like because I think they're recognizing the watch

00:07:58 ◼   ► as mostly a fitness related thing,

00:07:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think a lot of room is for workouts,

00:08:01 ◼   ► getting rid of frustrations in terms of like,

00:08:04 ◼   ► I want to, I found my own middle of a workout,

00:08:05 ◼   ► but I want to pause the music and stuff like that.

00:08:07 ◼   ► So those seem like smart focus features.

00:08:10 ◼   ► And the lap swimming in the pool,

00:08:13 ◼   ► that's pretty esoteric in the grand scheme of things.

00:08:16 ◼   ► - I liked the, they had said that they were going to do

00:08:18 ◼   ► like monthly based reminders or something like that.

00:08:20 ◼   ► Like, hey, if you are near the end of the month

00:08:23 ◼   ► and if you move the next three,

00:08:25 ◼   ► you hit your move goal the next three days,

00:08:26 ◼   ► you will get your move goal for the whole month.

00:08:28 ◼   ► And I think that's kind of neat,

00:08:29 ◼   ► Because I pay some amount of attention to my rings, and you know, not all of us are

00:08:33 ◼   ► just innately a blue ring stud like me.

00:08:36 ◼   ► So for you guys, I'm sure that this is pretty important for your blue rings.

00:08:40 ◼   ► But I thought that was really cool.

00:08:42 ◼   ► And I think that a lot of these things were typical evolutionary improvements, but as

00:08:47 ◼   ► always with Apple, or mostly with Apple, they were not revolutionary.

00:08:50 ◼   ► But the watch looked good.

00:08:52 ◼   ► And it was early in the keynote, so they didn't talk about all of the things that annoy you.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Like if you wipe your watch or unpair it,

00:08:57 ◼   ► you lose all your data and sometimes you stand

00:09:00 ◼   ► every hour during a day but it doesn't give you

00:09:02 ◼   ► your stand ring because it doesn't like you.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Like I always want a mulligan feature

00:09:07 ◼   ► where it'll be like, oh come on, I get one mulligan per day

00:09:09 ◼   ► and I can say I totally stood that hour.

00:09:11 ◼   ► Anyway, that's next year for watchOS 5 I guess.

00:09:15 ◼   ► - I also have a small concern with the activity reminders

00:09:18 ◼   ► that right now when you get a watch on default settings,

00:09:21 ◼   ► there is increasingly more health and fitness type things

00:09:24 ◼   ► that it bugs you about every so often.

00:09:26 ◼   ► And I wonder if they push that too far,

00:09:29 ◼   ► like they had to breathe last year and everything,

00:09:30 ◼   ► if they push that too far, people will turn those off.

00:09:33 ◼   ► And I feel like they're really on the edge

00:09:35 ◼   ► of that right now.

00:09:36 ◼   ► - Well, to some degree it's all about

00:09:38 ◼   ► the way the person perceives it, right?

00:09:41 ◼   ► Because to you it's frustrating and annoying,

00:09:43 ◼   ► and especially with breathe, I agree with you.

00:09:45 ◼   ► But otherwise, I think that most of these reminders

00:09:47 ◼   ► are kind of nice.

00:09:48 ◼   ► And I'd like to try to get reminded

00:09:50 ◼   ► from something external to myself,

00:09:53 ◼   ► "Hey, get off your lazy butt and move a little bit.

00:09:55 ◼   ► "You've been writing code for the last six hours.

00:09:57 ◼   ► "Maybe you should go, I don't know,

00:09:58 ◼   ► "get a drink of water or something."

00:10:00 ◼   ► And so for me, I actually think it's really cool,

00:10:02 ◼   ► again, with the breathe accepted,

00:10:03 ◼   ► because I don't dig that at all.

00:10:04 ◼   ► - I breathe during the keynote.

00:10:06 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:10:07 ◼   ► Did you stand at 50 minutes?

00:10:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:10:09 ◼   ► No, not so much.

00:10:11 ◼   ► All right, so anything else on watch?

00:10:13 ◼   ► - Nope.

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00:11:23 ◼   ► That's how you do.

00:11:26 ◼   ► I've done this a few times.

00:11:27 ◼   ► Well, so for those that don't listen to the live broadcast,

00:11:30 ◼   ► when Marco used to do the reads during the live broadcast--

00:11:33 ◼   ► - It was a train wreck.

00:11:34 ◼   ► - It was not a train wreck, but it was--

00:11:36 ◼   ► - Had your good days and bad.

00:11:38 ◼   ► - There were occasional derailments of a minor variety,

00:11:41 ◼   ► so are there really minor train derailments?

00:11:43 ◼   ► Anyway, so--

00:11:44 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:11:45 ◼   ► So speaking of derailing trains, High Sierra?

00:11:49 ◼   ► What is that?

00:11:51 ◼   ► I mean, come on.

00:11:53 ◼   ► I mean, we'll get to this later, but what do you think

00:11:55 ◼   ► is the worst name?

00:11:56 ◼   ► High Sierra or HomePod?

00:11:58 ◼   ► Oh, High Sierra.

00:11:59 ◼   ► I think they're both fine.

00:12:01 ◼   ► I thought they were going to call it Sierra Nevada,

00:12:03 ◼   ► but High Sierra is fine.

00:12:04 ◼   ► That's a thing.

00:12:05 ◼   ► But Casey didn't know it was a thing either.

00:12:06 ◼   ► But it is a place and a thing.

00:12:08 ◼   ► And wasn't there a High Sierra volume format or CD-ROM

00:12:11 ◼   ► standard?

00:12:12 ◼   ► This is where you were in the live chat room and someone else.

00:12:15 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:12:16 ◼   ► Nobody know old people?

00:12:18 ◼   ► Some kind of CD-ROM, Mount Rainier kind of standard.

00:12:21 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:12:21 ◼   ► I see.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:12:23 ◼   ► I thought the dad jokes leading up to it,

00:12:25 ◼   ► like I'm a sucker for a good dad joke.

00:12:27 ◼   ► So that was fine.

00:12:27 ◼   ► Whatever.

00:12:28 ◼   ► But then I was expecting Craig to be like, oh, ha, ha, no,

00:12:30 ◼   ► really.

00:12:30 ◼   ► No, it's called something else.

00:12:31 ◼   ► And that never happened.

00:12:34 ◼   ► It took me about a minute before I realized it wasn't a joke.

00:12:37 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:12:38 ◼   ► I really thought that Craig was going, oh, ha, ha, I'm so funny.

00:12:40 ◼   ► I'm such a good guy.

00:12:41 ◼   ► And really, it's called Yosemite plus plus or whatever.

00:12:45 ◼   ► Anyways, and so as it turns out,

00:12:47 ◼   ► they're rolling with the High Sierra.

00:12:49 ◼   ► And on the surface, I thought the loose drug references

00:12:54 ◼   ► were kind of funny as a gag.

00:12:57 ◼   ► But when you're introducing the new version of your OS

00:13:00 ◼   ► with all of these drug references

00:13:02 ◼   ► and are like, no, really, this is it, that just--

00:13:04 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:13:05 ◼   ► That's a little weird to me.

00:13:06 ◼   ► But the OS looks good.

00:13:08 ◼   ► So there's that.

00:13:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is kind of, we were complaining about

00:13:11 ◼   ► they keep having to revise Mac OS every year

00:13:13 ◼   ► and we're like, you should slow down the pace.

00:13:15 ◼   ► This is them slowing down the pace.

00:13:16 ◼   ► They'll have a marketing release this year,

00:13:17 ◼   ► but the number of features they're adding,

00:13:18 ◼   ► I mean, this could practically be a point release.

00:13:21 ◼   ► Like, doesn't look like there's a lot of new stuff in it,

00:13:24 ◼   ► or at the very least, not a lot of new stuff

00:13:25 ◼   ► they talked about.

00:13:26 ◼   ► Obviously, APFS, which is--

00:13:28 ◼   ► (bell dings)

00:13:28 ◼   ► (audience applauds)

00:13:31 ◼   ► The most important feature of the operating system,

00:13:36 ◼   ► as we all know.

00:13:37 ◼   ► They didn't go into detail on it,

00:13:37 ◼   ► But they did do the one demo that you can do with the file cloning, which is not really

00:13:42 ◼   ► that impressive if you understand what's going on under the covers, but whatever.

00:13:49 ◼   ► What they didn't show basically was is APFS faster than HFS Plus?

00:13:52 ◼   ► Like if you do some big operation to a lot of files, either just using straight POSIX

00:13:57 ◼   ► APIs or in your app, is it actually faster than HFS?

00:14:00 ◼   ► Maybe it's not or maybe it's a wash, but if you're taking advantage of features that only

00:14:04 ◼   ► the APS has, obviously it's going to look good.

00:14:07 ◼   ► So that was fine.

00:14:09 ◼   ► You might not watch the State of the Union, Marco, because you're busy getting ready over

00:14:12 ◼   ► here, but there was kind of a sad note about Mac OS Sierra and 32-bit app support.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Scary, sad note, because I think of how many 32-bit apps I have on my Mac, and I have a

00:14:22 ◼   ► lot, and I bet everybody has a lot.

00:14:24 ◼   ► And unlike iOS apps, I have little hope that if 32-bit support goes away, that all those

00:14:29 ◼   ► app developers, A, are even still developing those apps, and B, will update them all to

00:14:34 ◼   ► 64-bit versions.

00:14:35 ◼   ► So they said 32-bit apps is not going away in High Sierra, but in the one after that,

00:14:41 ◼   ► probably we're going to yell at you if you try to launch it.

00:14:44 ◼   ► We're wishy-washy about it, but bottom line is 32-bit apps are not long for this world

00:14:48 ◼   ► in macOS in the next year or two.

00:14:49 ◼   ► But hold on, though.

00:14:50 ◼   ► Was that just the App Store?

00:14:51 ◼   ► Because I don't remember...

00:14:52 ◼   ► That's the OS.

00:14:54 ◼   ► My impression is that that's the OS.

00:14:55 ◼   ► We just came from the State of the Union, so we didn't have time to research those.

00:14:58 ◼   ► - People in the audience are nodding, that means I'm right.

00:15:00 ◼   ► - And their wording was like,

00:15:02 ◼   ► this would be the last release where you can do it

00:15:03 ◼   ► without big problems, right?

00:15:05 ◼   ► So maybe they'll do some kind of virtualization layer thing

00:15:08 ◼   ► or an emulation layer like Rosetta later on down the road.

00:15:10 ◼   ► - Or even they'll just say,

00:15:11 ◼   ► this app may make your Mac slower like they do on iOS

00:15:14 ◼   ► when you watch 32-bit apps now.

00:15:15 ◼   ► - As it pages in all the 32-bit libraries

00:15:17 ◼   ► to actually run the app.

00:15:19 ◼   ► I'm guessing they'll have some kind of patchwork solution

00:15:22 ◼   ► because it wouldn't be that hard for them to do it.

00:15:25 ◼   ► They already have all the libraries in it

00:15:27 ◼   ► They could do like a VM kind of like emulation mode for those apps and just yell at you with dialogue boxes telling you that your

00:15:32 ◼   ► Computer is not performing very well. You know we skip Safari, and I don't think there's a lot to say about it

00:15:37 ◼   ► But I'm super excited about the changes. They've made I mean autoplay video blocking. That's awesome

00:15:42 ◼   ► How long do you think I'll take people to defeat that well can we at least be positive for a moment?

00:15:46 ◼   ► All right fine. Come on, man, but no that that's exciting. I forget what else was in Safari, but but it's faster

00:15:52 ◼   ► It's really fast. It's always fast

00:15:53 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, the intelligent tracking prevention,

00:15:56 ◼   ► which sounds like some kind of algorithm to detect

00:15:58 ◼   ► whether to block third party cookies on ads,

00:16:00 ◼   ► which is pretty cool by default, that's nice.

00:16:01 ◼   ► Like it's kind of like a half ad blocker step.

00:16:04 ◼   ► Maybe they would also block things

00:16:06 ◼   ► that are the more invisible kind of trackers

00:16:08 ◼   ► that you don't necessarily see,

00:16:10 ◼   ► the kind of massive three megabytes of includes

00:16:13 ◼   ► that most of these websites have now.

00:16:15 ◼   ► So maybe this is kind of them building in an ad blocker

00:16:18 ◼   ► by default like as a baby step,

00:16:20 ◼   ► and they probably would never go out and say,

00:16:22 ◼   ► we're blocking all your ads

00:16:23 ◼   ► that people might sue them, but this is something like,

00:16:24 ◼   ► well, our browser just decides not to load

00:16:26 ◼   ► your JavaScript sometimes.

00:16:27 ◼   ► They might get a bit of-- - I think they're loading them,

00:16:28 ◼   ► I think they're just trying to make you less trackable.

00:16:30 ◼   ► My guess, I mean, we'll have to go to the sessions

00:16:31 ◼   ► about this, but they're randomizing identifiable information.

00:16:34 ◼   ► I don't think they're randomizing your user agent string,

00:16:36 ◼   ► but they could be randomizing some stuff

00:16:37 ◼   ► that people use to pin you down,

00:16:39 ◼   ► like exposing whatever APIs they use to get,

00:16:41 ◼   ► I don't know if they can get you at your battery level

00:16:43 ◼   ► like they do on the phone or whatever,

00:16:44 ◼   ► but making you appear to be a different phone when you aren't.

00:16:48 ◼   ► So they're not blocking the ads, they emphasize that,

00:16:50 ◼   ► but they don't want people to get mad at them,

00:16:51 ◼   ► but they are just making you less trackable,

00:16:53 ◼   ► which is just good.

00:16:55 ◼   ► I don't know if it's on iOS too, but I would assume so.

00:16:57 ◼   ► The only other thing I wanna talk about in macOS,

00:16:59 ◼   ► I don't wanna talk about the photo stuff

00:17:01 ◼   ► 'cause I don't think there was that much there,

00:17:02 ◼   ► we need to move on, maybe we'll circle back to it,

00:17:03 ◼   ► but the part where they talk about graphics,

00:17:05 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, this is it,

00:17:06 ◼   ► they're gonna upgrade to OpenGL support

00:17:08 ◼   ► and they're gonna have Vulkan, it's gonna be awesome,

00:17:10 ◼   ► and Nvidia GPUs are gonna be in the new Mac Pro next year,

00:17:13 ◼   ► but no, so they're doubling down on Metal,

00:17:17 ◼   ► which is good, it's their thing, it's fine,

00:17:19 ◼   ► But I think by them talking so heavily about Metal

00:17:22 ◼   ► is kind of them saying, we're never gonna do Vulkan.

00:17:25 ◼   ► We're just doing Metal and that's our thing.

00:17:29 ◼   ► And if you don't, because they got engine support.

00:17:30 ◼   ► They got Unity and Unreal and so they don't,

00:17:33 ◼   ► I think they're not hurting from the lack of Vulkan support.

00:17:36 ◼   ► We're just fine, I suppose.

00:17:37 ◼   ► I'll take what I can get.

00:17:38 ◼   ► But that was one fake out in the Mac OS section for me.

00:17:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will briefly say though,

00:17:43 ◼   ► because there isn't that much to talk about with photos,

00:17:45 ◼   ► this is pretty fast.

00:17:46 ◼   ► They added syncing of the metadata stuff.

00:17:48 ◼   ► That's awesome.

00:17:49 ◼   ► That's the one huge glaring hole from last year,

00:17:52 ◼   ► as you mentioned last week.

00:17:53 ◼   ► That was the one big hole in the feature set

00:17:56 ◼   ► that they needed to plug.

00:17:58 ◼   ► So that way our devices aren't hot for the first two days

00:18:01 ◼   ► after we get a new one or restore it.

00:18:03 ◼   ► That's a huge thing that we mentioned last year.

00:18:05 ◼   ► It's going to be hot when it downloads.

00:18:06 ◼   ► When it downloads, it syncs the data.

00:18:08 ◼   ► So syncing is good.

00:18:09 ◼   ► And you won't have to recompute it,

00:18:11 ◼   ► but you will have to pull it down.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Hopefully the progress bar for pulling it down will be better.

00:18:14 ◼   ► And related to that-- and we don't

00:18:15 ◼   ► have a separate section for iCloud,

00:18:16 ◼   ► but it's worth talking about here--

00:18:18 ◼   ► - On one of the slides, there's a thing that said like,

00:18:20 ◼   ► family storage plans for iCloud storage.

00:18:22 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:23 ◼   ► - Which is one tiny step closer to family photo libraries,

00:18:25 ◼   ► because if we have family storage,

00:18:27 ◼   ► like a family plan on a cell phone thing,

00:18:28 ◼   ► we pay for a certain amount for the whole family,

00:18:30 ◼   ► and you share it in some way,

00:18:31 ◼   ► that's a great place to put a family photo library,

00:18:34 ◼   ► not this year.

00:18:35 ◼   ► - Mail got some improvements, that's pretty good.

00:18:38 ◼   ► I actually think mail.app is fine,

00:18:41 ◼   ► don't throw tomatoes at me please.

00:18:42 ◼   ► - So do I.

00:18:42 ◼   ► - I mean, it's fine for me, it works,

00:18:44 ◼   ► I'm not a super productivity guru that needs

00:18:47 ◼   ► whatever the fancy mail app of the minute is,

00:18:49 ◼   ► like a lot of you guys probably are.

00:18:51 ◼   ► I'd just want more than one mail app if you're a fancy mail.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:18:54 ◼   ► So yeah, so--

00:18:55 ◼   ► I've just long ago given up on ever being

00:18:56 ◼   ► able to search my mail in iOS.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Well, and supposedly that's getting better.

00:18:59 ◼   ► It's going to take up a lot less space, et cetera, et cetera.

00:19:01 ◼   ► Not on iOS.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Yeah, well, that's true.

00:19:04 ◼   ► And then there's this new HEVC codec, which is H.265.

00:19:08 ◼   ► That's kind of cool.

00:19:09 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:19:10 ◼   ► It's nice that they're bringing support down,

00:19:12 ◼   ► like hardware support, to some existing hardware,

00:19:15 ◼   ► but if not, have software support.

00:19:17 ◼   ► So that'll really help.

00:19:18 ◼   ► And them converting everything internally,

00:19:20 ◼   ► like anything that they make will use their, you know,

00:19:22 ◼   ► the H.265 and their new image container format

00:19:25 ◼   ► and everything, that's all really smart

00:19:27 ◼   ► and will make everybody happy.

00:19:29 ◼   ► - And then the beginnings of your good day,

00:19:32 ◼   ► they said that you can use external GPUs.

00:19:34 ◼   ► So you can play games and do whatever things you need

00:19:38 ◼   ► this ridiculous GPU for with an external GPU.

00:19:41 ◼   ► So that's exciting, right?

00:19:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, like there was like a dev kit they were giving you.

00:19:46 ◼   ► - That was a huge surprise,

00:19:47 ◼   ► like that the first bit of new hardware

00:19:49 ◼   ► Apple announced was an external GPU.

00:19:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, well so here's what I wanna see

00:19:52 ◼   ► from them for real commitment.

00:19:53 ◼   ► This is like, oh, you know, this will let you

00:19:55 ◼   ► use higher powered GPUs on your laptops

00:19:56 ◼   ► and turn it into kind of the Mac Pro

00:19:58 ◼   ► that we're not yet introducing, right?

00:20:00 ◼   ► But are they gonna ship a product?

00:20:01 ◼   ► I want official Apple support,

00:20:03 ◼   ► a thing that I can plug a GPU into.

00:20:04 ◼   ► I don't know, but just like,

00:20:05 ◼   ► oh, it's a third party opportunity, here's a driver,

00:20:07 ◼   ► I hope that company doesn't go out of business.

00:20:08 ◼   ► Like if they're really committed to it,

00:20:09 ◼   ► I wanna see an Apple branded and styled box

00:20:12 ◼   ► that you can put GPUs in that you have official support.

00:20:14 ◼   ► We're just at the beginning, this is just a dev kit,

00:20:16 ◼   ► So we don't know, we don't know what their product story is there.

00:20:18 ◼   ► I hope they have a product story and not just a, no you can't, because they couldn't even,

00:20:21 ◼   ► when they left it to third parties they couldn't even get monitors right with the LG thing.

00:20:24 ◼   ► I don't want them to leave external GPU to third parties and just, you know, good luck.

00:20:29 ◼   ► That seems like an orphan thing.

00:20:30 ◼   ► But yeah, that's, you have the ability to do it with Thunderbolt, people are already

00:20:33 ◼   ► doing it with hacks, right, this is not new.

00:20:35 ◼   ► And then official Apple support is great and step in the right direction.

00:20:38 ◼   ► And then VR was spoken about, which that's kind of cool.

00:20:42 ◼   ► And at least they're acknowledging that VR is a thing.

00:20:44 ◼   ► What was the headset they had with the little dents in it?

00:20:48 ◼   ► Was that the HTC Vive?

00:20:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:51 ◼   ► They didn't announce Vive Vive.

00:20:53 ◼   ► You make fun of me for mauve and you say vive?

00:20:55 ◼   ► It's pronounced vizel.

00:20:56 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:20:57 ◼   ► I don't have one.

00:20:59 ◼   ► But that's what the picture they used for the graphics with the logo is removed.

00:21:02 ◼   ► They didn't announce like Oculus or HTC supporting Apple stuff.

00:21:05 ◼   ► They did announce like engine support and Steam VR support, but they didn't have like

00:21:08 ◼   ► a hardware VR story.

00:21:11 ◼   ► It's good they have a VR story now instead of like, "No, VR is just not a thing."

00:21:15 ◼   ► But it's not as if they came out and said, "All the major VR hardware and software vendors

00:21:18 ◼   ► are supporting us and VR is the future."

00:21:20 ◼   ► They seem much more heavily into AR.

00:21:23 ◼   ► But still, it is a big step for them to acknowledge that VR is a thing and to acknowledge that

00:21:27 ◼   ► maybe people who create content in the world might want to create content for VR sometime.

00:21:33 ◼   ► So maybe we should ship some computers with some big GPUs in them.

00:21:36 ◼   ► Yeah, or at least better GPUs.

00:21:38 ◼   ► I don't know enough about the Radeon line to know if these are like the super top end.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Being on the current architecture is a nice change, right?

00:21:49 ◼   ► Who'd have thunk it?

00:21:50 ◼   ► We'll see how long that keeps up.

00:21:51 ◼   ► Yeah, they're not going to update the Mac again for another two years.

00:21:54 ◼   ► That'll be fine.

00:21:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:22:00 ◼   ► Oh yeah, okay.

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00:23:31 ◼   ► So we got some iMacs, that's exciting.

00:23:34 ◼   ► They've got fancy new displays, which is cool.

00:23:37 ◼   ► They're on Kaby Lake, gentlemen.

00:23:39 ◼   ► I feel like there should be some sort

00:23:41 ◼   ► of excitement about this.

00:23:43 ◼   ► I'm surprised the room isn't, this is not a demand.

00:23:45 ◼   ► I'm surprised the room isn't erupting in thunderous applause.

00:23:49 ◼   ► It really wasn't a demand, okay.

00:23:51 ◼   ► I'm not that desperate, good God, guys.

00:23:52 ◼   ► - He really isn't that much better.

00:23:54 ◼   ► I mean, it's nice, but it's not.

00:23:55 ◼   ► - But it's more modern, I mean, so that's good.

00:23:57 ◼   ► So, leaving aside the real star of the show as far as the three of us are concerned, I

00:24:03 ◼   ► thought the iMacs looked good.

00:24:04 ◼   ► I mean, it's an improvement, the displays are better, they're faster, more RAM, all

00:24:08 ◼   ► these good things.

00:24:09 ◼   ► I like the fact that they kept USB-A ports on the back, because this is like finally

00:24:12 ◼   ► you have USB-C and Thunderbolt and so on, but they didn't remove all the A ports, because

00:24:15 ◼   ► all that would mean is even more dongles hanging out the back of your iMacs at places where

00:24:19 ◼   ► you can't reach them and the weight of the dongle makes them bend down and everything.

00:24:22 ◼   ► So I'm glad that they did that, and they kept the SD card slot, they'd be like, "No, the

00:24:26 ◼   ► The future is not SD cards, we gotta remove it.

00:24:28 ◼   ► They didn't add anything,

00:24:29 ◼   ► but they didn't take away anything.

00:24:31 ◼   ► So this is a very pragmatic iMac update,

00:24:34 ◼   ► and at least they're differentiating the line

00:24:35 ◼   ► in a way that they don't with the portables.

00:24:37 ◼   ► The larger and bigger and more complicated the computer,

00:24:41 ◼   ► the more you care about legacy ports,

00:24:43 ◼   ► and the less we're gonna try to make it even thinner

00:24:45 ◼   ► and remove all the ports and just tell you

00:24:47 ◼   ► you shouldn't stick SD cards.

00:24:48 ◼   ► If you want an SD card reader, just buy a USB-C hub,

00:24:51 ◼   ► and then put USB-C cable into it,

00:24:53 ◼   ► and then put a card reader into that

00:24:54 ◼   ► with your adapter and your dongle,

00:24:55 ◼   ► and it's like, just give me the slot to put in the back.

00:24:57 ◼   ► So I like those iMacs, they look pretty good.

00:24:59 ◼   ► The screen stuff, did they say the standard iMacs

00:25:02 ◼   ► have better brightness and everything too?

00:25:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, and 10-bit color too.

00:25:05 ◼   ► - They said 10-bit dithering, which I don't know.

00:25:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

00:25:07 ◼   ► - It makes me think that the screen is still not capable of

00:25:10 ◼   ► but that they're gonna dither to get

00:25:11 ◼   ► the different color things, I don't know what that means.

00:25:13 ◼   ► - Maybe, yeah, that's worth clarifying.

00:25:15 ◼   ► - They didn't say anything about image retention, Marcos,

00:25:17 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:25:18 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:25:20 ◼   ► Whoops.

00:25:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, and then there are still some spinning platter

00:25:24 ◼   ► - Models, some fusion, fusion drives.

00:25:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, but they're all fusion, like they did, they--

00:25:27 ◼   ► - No, they're not.

00:25:28 ◼   ► The base model 21 inch is still a 5400 RPM spin.

00:25:33 ◼   ► - Really, did you confirm, 'cause they made a big point

00:25:35 ◼   ► of it, that fusion was standard on all models.

00:25:37 ◼   ► - They were very careful to say that all 27 inch

00:25:39 ◼   ► configurators have fusion standards.

00:25:41 ◼   ► - I don't even think they should have fusion drives in there.

00:25:43 ◼   ► There should be SSD everywhere at this point.

00:25:44 ◼   ► - I agree.

00:25:45 ◼   ► - But anyway, they're buying one.

00:25:46 ◼   ► - Fusion should be an option if you want a ton of space,

00:25:48 ◼   ► but it should not, like that's a crutch.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Like they should not be using that.

00:25:52 ◼   ► - I don't know yet if fusion drives are supported

00:25:54 ◼   ► with APFS, like I don't know how that works.

00:25:57 ◼   ► That's like both for conversion,

00:25:59 ◼   ► which wasn't mentioned at all,

00:26:00 ◼   ► and also if you buy one of these things like a year from now

00:26:03 ◼   ► and it comes with a fusion drive,

00:26:04 ◼   ► is the spinning disk part of it APFS?

00:26:06 ◼   ► Does it make a difference?

00:26:07 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:26:08 ◼   ► - I'm shocked that they did not take

00:26:09 ◼   ► the 10 seconds in their key to talk about

00:26:12 ◼   ► file system conversion.

00:26:13 ◼   ► - Well, that's a scary and important step

00:26:16 ◼   ► that everybody has to go through.

00:26:18 ◼   ► - So we talked about, oh my word,

00:26:21 ◼   ► let me talk about the birds and the bees.

00:26:22 ◼   ► - The new iMacs, they bump the GPUs.

00:26:24 ◼   ► They give better GPUs across the line,

00:26:27 ◼   ► which is, a lot of their GPU talk and their graphics talk

00:26:30 ◼   ► is acknowledging a weakness in their entire product line,

00:26:32 ◼   ► that their GPUs are not great,

00:26:34 ◼   ► they're kind of middle of the road, and it hurts them.

00:26:38 ◼   ► And so I don't know if you need them for the VR stuff,

00:26:40 ◼   ► but it's just embarrassing when there are fancy games

00:26:43 ◼   ► that everybody else is playing

00:26:44 ◼   ► that are available for the Mac on Steam,

00:26:46 ◼   ► but people don't wanna play them or can't play them,

00:26:48 ◼   ► or the frame rates are terrible.

00:26:49 ◼   ► It doesn't look good, so I'm glad that they are

00:26:52 ◼   ► making progress in that area, and I didn't look at the pricing. Are they jacking up the

00:26:55 ◼   ► prices compared to the current models based on heavy and better GPU?

00:26:58 ◼   ► I think it's about the same.

00:26:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, they have a place to jack up the prices, and that's the IMAX pro.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Was this where they did the demo of the VR stuff with Star Wars and ILM and all that?

00:27:08 ◼   ► I believe so.

00:27:09 ◼   ► Yeah, because it struck me as I was watching this, like, if you think of everyone on stage,

00:27:14 ◼   ► they all had, like, prompters and had people around them, and presumably they were able

00:27:20 ◼   ► to see like kind of cues of what they were supposed to talk about next. This poor woman,

00:27:24 ◼   ► I don't recall her name, I think I did write it down somewhere but God knows where it was,

00:27:28 ◼   ► but anyway, she had to have goggles on and just do all of this from memory. I can barely

00:27:32 ◼   ► remember my own name half the time. She ducked under Douthfear's lightsaber that wasn't there.

00:27:37 ◼   ► That was a hell of a demo. It was intense, like I'm serious, that was super impressive

00:27:42 ◼   ► because everyone else at least can look at a monitor and remind themselves what they're

00:27:45 ◼   ► supposed to talk about next. And you can say, "Oh, it's ILM, they're good at this." ILM

00:27:48 ◼   ► do live shows in front of an audience.

00:27:50 ◼   ► They do post-production. They have all the time in the world.

00:27:52 ◼   ► So they must have rehearsed that like crazy.

00:27:54 ◼   ► And that was impressive. Obviously it wasn't a game

00:27:56 ◼   ► that you can play, but it was a very cool demo.

00:27:58 ◼   ► Yeah, it was super cool.

00:28:00 ◼   ► So was iMac Pro next?

00:28:02 ◼   ► Well, next they did the quick MacBooks update.

00:28:04 ◼   ► Which we pretty much already covered.

00:28:06 ◼   ► You're welcome. See, this is... What's nice about

00:28:08 ◼   ► the MacBook update to Kaby Lake...

00:28:10 ◼   ► First of all, they did all of them.

00:28:12 ◼   ► Actually, even the MacBook Air.

00:28:14 ◼   ► It was a megahertz bump.

00:28:16 ◼   ► Same screen, same everything, we increased the clock speed.

00:28:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, but if they went to Skylight,

00:28:20 ◼   ► that's gonna be a big battery boost on the MacBook Air.

00:28:22 ◼   ► But what's nice about the MacBook update is that

00:28:26 ◼   ► they did it, you know, Kaby Lake came out not that long ago,

00:28:29 ◼   ► you know, they're shipping these products on time, basically,

00:28:32 ◼   ► and they're doing it all and it's not that big of a deal.

00:28:35 ◼   ► They didn't like hold everything back until this winter

00:28:37 ◼   ► when the iMac Pro launches or whatever.

00:28:39 ◼   ► They're not like artificially delaying things.

00:28:41 ◼   ► - They didn't hold it back until they could get

00:28:43 ◼   ► 32 gigs of RAM in either, they just said,

00:28:44 ◼   ► - It's like we're gonna do the updates we can do now

00:28:46 ◼   ► and everyone, that's all good.

00:28:48 ◼   ► - Like it's really nice that this is the first step

00:28:52 ◼   ► in a potential return to regular updates

00:28:55 ◼   ► on a healthy schedule for the entire Mac lineup.

00:28:58 ◼   ► This is step one of that.

00:28:59 ◼   ► We'll see if they can maintain that over time,

00:29:01 ◼   ► that'd be nice, I hope they do.

00:29:03 ◼   ► But this is the indication that they're at least

00:29:05 ◼   ► on that path right now, and that I'm really glad to see.

00:29:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause was it Gray and Mike that were talking about

00:29:11 ◼   ► I wanna see like a line here.

00:29:13 ◼   ► I don't want to see just one point where, oh yeah, they

00:29:16 ◼   ► updated, great.

00:29:17 ◼   ► I think that was me, but that's fine.

00:29:18 ◼   ► It was also you.

00:29:20 ◼   ► I'm so sorry.

00:29:21 ◼   ► Excuse me, everyone, my mistake.

00:29:24 ◼   ► But the point is still fair, right?

00:29:25 ◼   ► Regardless of who made it, the point

00:29:27 ◼   ► is that you can start to draw a line here and say, OK,

00:29:30 ◼   ► updates are happening with some amount of regularity, which

00:29:34 ◼   ► is a great sign.

00:29:35 ◼   ► Now, we'll see if that stays true for iPad stuff, which

00:29:38 ◼   ► we'll get to in a minute.

00:29:39 ◼   ► But I mean, this is still a step in the right direction, which

00:29:41 ◼   ► is good.

00:29:42 ◼   ► - Well it kind of makes me dread

00:29:43 ◼   ► when they change the cases again,

00:29:44 ◼   ► 'cause maybe we can start attributing the delay to that,

00:29:47 ◼   ► like oh, they update them fine

00:29:48 ◼   ► when it's all in the same case,

00:29:49 ◼   ► but then there's like this big update

00:29:51 ◼   ► where they're like touch bar

00:29:52 ◼   ► and the new form factors and the MacBook One.

00:29:55 ◼   ► I hope the next time they change the form factors

00:29:57 ◼   ► there isn't a weird gap again.

00:29:59 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:30:00 ◼   ► Well next, speaking of weird gaps,

00:30:03 ◼   ► they kind of addressed the Mac Pro need,

00:30:05 ◼   ► temporarily, with the iMac Pro,

00:30:07 ◼   ► which we all knew was a thing that was coming

00:30:09 ◼   ► ever since that briefing they had.

00:30:11 ◼   ► But for me it was always a big question mark of like,

00:30:14 ◼   ► what will the iMac Pro have that the Mac Pro doesn't?

00:30:17 ◼   ► And what would the iMac Pro have

00:30:19 ◼   ► that the regular iMac doesn't?

00:30:20 ◼   ► Like where do they fill this,

00:30:22 ◼   ► how do they balance that and how do they maintain a reason

00:30:26 ◼   ► for those other two ends of this scale to exist?

00:30:29 ◼   ► And I still have just as many questions now

00:30:32 ◼   ► because what they ended up doing--

00:30:33 ◼   ► - We saw it, we saw it in the hands-on area.

00:30:34 ◼   ► It's space gray.

00:30:35 ◼   ► - Oh my god, can we just talk about how hot that thing looks?

00:30:38 ◼   ► That thing looks amazing.

00:30:39 ◼   ► - It was dark in the room.

00:30:40 ◼   ► I wish it was matte black, but I guess they gotta say

00:30:43 ◼   ► the matte black for the pro.

00:30:44 ◼   ► By the way, I'm the iMac pro.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Let's think of an alternate universe.

00:30:47 ◼   ► An alternate universe exists where the iMac pro

00:30:50 ◼   ► was there going to be their story for pro Mac hardware.

00:30:54 ◼   ► When this project was conceived,

00:30:55 ◼   ► the iMac pro was conceived, there was no plan

00:30:57 ◼   ► for the Mac pro that they've now promised us.

00:31:00 ◼   ► So think about that.

00:31:02 ◼   ► Think about, imagine a world where Apple announces this

00:31:05 ◼   ► and they never had the Mac round table

00:31:06 ◼   ► and we all look at this and it's cool and everything,

00:31:08 ◼   ► but I think people would still be super angry

00:31:10 ◼   ► because this is not--

00:31:11 ◼   ► - People?

00:31:11 ◼   ► I know two people that would be super angry.

00:31:14 ◼   ► - The people who want Pro Macs.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I mean, some people are still saying this Pro Mac

00:31:17 ◼   ► is not exactly what they want.

00:31:18 ◼   ► But for a top-end iMac, I think it's awesome

00:31:20 ◼   ► because now we know the other one is coming.

00:31:22 ◼   ► So this doesn't need to be all things to all people.

00:31:24 ◼   ► It needs to be, and that's why it has these guts in them

00:31:27 ◼   ► that are so high-end, like an 18-core Xeon

00:31:30 ◼   ► and 128 gigs of ECC RAM.

00:31:32 ◼   ► This is because this was going to be the Mac Pro story.

00:31:35 ◼   ► So your questions, I guess, are probably like,

00:31:37 ◼   ► how did they get all that stuff in there?

00:31:38 ◼   ► Is it gonna melt?

00:31:39 ◼   ► How loud is it gonna be?

00:31:40 ◼   ► Are these your questions?

00:31:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, so my biggest question,

00:31:43 ◼   ► so basically the answer on where they put it

00:31:46 ◼   ► on the spectrum is they put a Mac Pro in the iMac case.

00:31:50 ◼   ► They put Xeon CPUs, workstation class graphics, we think,

00:31:54 ◼   ► high RAM ceiling, ECC RAM, big throughput,

00:31:57 ◼   ► it has dual Thunderbolt controllers, so it's like--

00:32:00 ◼   ► - 10 gig ethernet, all the highest of the high-end features

00:32:03 ◼   ► are in there in this little skinny package.

00:32:05 ◼   ► By the way, the one in the hands-on area,

00:32:07 ◼   ► Like it was a prototype, so I couldn't tell

00:32:09 ◼   ► what the noise levels were gonna be,

00:32:10 ◼   ► but they had the fans set to max, just, you know.

00:32:13 ◼   ► So it's not representative of hardware,

00:32:15 ◼   ► but it was so loud in that room I couldn't tell.

00:32:16 ◼   ► But definitely there was more airflow

00:32:18 ◼   ► coming out of that thing that you would expect.

00:32:20 ◼   ► But otherwise it just looks like an iMac.

00:32:22 ◼   ► It just looks like an iMac.

00:32:23 ◼   ► It didn't look any thicker to me.

00:32:25 ◼   ► - No, in fact it's the exact same dimensions

00:32:27 ◼   ► according to their website.

00:32:27 ◼   ► It said without adding a millimeter,

00:32:29 ◼   ► we added all this power, which is cute.

00:32:30 ◼   ► - But it was not just like an iMac.

00:32:32 ◼   ► Did you see how good that thing looked?

00:32:34 ◼   ► Like I want that.

00:32:35 ◼   ► I don't--

00:32:36 ◼   ► - You just want the space gray, man.

00:32:37 ◼   ► I do, I do.

00:32:38 ◼   ► And they have the Magic Trackpad too.

00:32:40 ◼   ► The Magic Trackpad also comes in Space Gray.

00:32:42 ◼   ► And the mouse, they all come now in Space Gray, and the keyboard is now wireless with

00:32:45 ◼   ► a number pad.

00:32:46 ◼   ► A combination that has never existed before.

00:32:48 ◼   ► That's super awesome.

00:32:49 ◼   ► And I asked the person that was doing the kind of demo.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Ten seconds after I asked them.

00:32:56 ◼   ► I wasn't there, I walked up right after John and I was like, "So, what switches are these

00:33:00 ◼   ► exactly?"

00:33:01 ◼   ► And he said, "It's exactly like the current Magic Keyboard."

00:33:02 ◼   ► Which we can all agree is the best keyboard that has ever existed.

00:33:06 ◼   ► Good talk, all right.

00:33:07 ◼   ► So it really does.

00:33:09 ◼   ► All kidding aside, it looks great.

00:33:10 ◼   ► The fan output, like I put my hand behind the exhaust vent,

00:33:14 ◼   ► which is in the back, unlike the iMacs that we have today,

00:33:17 ◼   ► if I recall correctly.

00:33:18 ◼   ► That was moving a lot of air.

00:33:20 ◼   ► And admittedly, like John said, it was loud in the air.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Admittedly, we only had but 30 seconds or whatever

00:33:25 ◼   ► in front of it.

00:33:26 ◼   ► But it did not sound terribly loud to me at all.

00:33:28 ◼   ► And it was moving a stunning amount of air

00:33:31 ◼   ► for what looked to be a little tiny area

00:33:34 ◼   ► that the vent was taking out.

00:33:36 ◼   ► It's going to be heating up the foot,

00:33:37 ◼   ► because it's blowing back on the little L-shaped foot thingy.

00:33:40 ◼   ► And so that foot is going to get hot

00:33:41 ◼   ► and act as a radiator and slowly warm.

00:33:43 ◼   ► Like if you put a piece of chocolate

00:33:44 ◼   ► on the top part of that foot, one of the things going,

00:33:47 ◼   ► it'll melt into a puddle.

00:33:48 ◼   ► It's kind of interesting.

00:33:49 ◼   ► We weren't allowed to touch it, by the way,

00:33:50 ◼   ► although I did immediately grab the mouse.

00:33:52 ◼   ► But I basically got my hand slapped.

00:33:53 ◼   ► We weren't allowed to touch it.

00:33:55 ◼   ► It's just for them to look at.

00:33:56 ◼   ► The only other thing that we asked that was relevant

00:33:57 ◼   ► is it does have socketed RAM that you

00:33:59 ◼   ► could see in the diagram when they showed it in the keynote.

00:34:02 ◼   ► But there is not user upgradeable.

00:34:03 ◼   ► there is no door, you are not supposed to reach in there,

00:34:06 ◼   ► and so it's not all soldered to the board,

00:34:07 ◼   ► but it doesn't matter, you still can't upgrade it.

00:34:09 ◼   ► So, order it with as much RAM as you can afford

00:34:12 ◼   ► after you mortgage your house to buy one of these things.

00:34:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, so speaking of, what is it,

00:34:15 ◼   ► start at five grand basically?

00:34:16 ◼   ► - Starts at 5,000, which is not bad.

00:34:19 ◼   ► - But you know, for that deal,

00:34:20 ◼   ► if you configure a Mac Pro with eight cores

00:34:22 ◼   ► and one terabyte, which is what that base configuration is,

00:34:24 ◼   ► and 32 gigs of RAM, that's actually not that ridiculous.

00:34:26 ◼   ► Plus the screen, that's a good deal.

00:34:28 ◼   ► - You get a free screen with it, which is nice.

00:34:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I consider that, right now today,

00:34:33 ◼   ► and not look too far into it yet,

00:34:34 ◼   ► I consider that pretty reasonable.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - So sitting here now, you guys, I shouldn't say we,

00:34:40 ◼   ► 'cause I'm not gonna get one of these

00:34:42 ◼   ► despite have we talked about how hot it is.

00:34:44 ◼   ► No, but I'm curious actually,

00:34:47 ◼   ► are you guys going to get one of these?

00:34:49 ◼   ► Because in a lot of ways on the surface,

00:34:52 ◼   ► well obviously Marco is, but I still have to ask the question.

00:34:55 ◼   ► - Marco's gonna get two of them, let's face it.

00:34:56 ◼   ► He's gonna get two of these.

00:34:57 ◼   ► - That's probably true.

00:34:58 ◼   ► But this does seem to solve a lot of problems,

00:35:01 ◼   ► and so on the one side I'm really excited about this

00:35:03 ◼   ► for you guys especially, that it solves a lot of problems

00:35:05 ◼   ► and it seems like this is the way of the future.

00:35:08 ◼   ► But at the same time, we had that roundtable

00:35:11 ◼   ► where they said, no, really, the way the future

00:35:12 ◼   ► is the new Mac Pro that'll come sometime

00:35:14 ◼   ► between now and 2030.

00:35:15 ◼   ► So--

00:35:16 ◼   ► - This is the marshmallow experiment.

00:35:17 ◼   ► What's the name of that one?

00:35:18 ◼   ► Marshmallow thing?

00:35:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:20 ◼   ► - Like you offer the kid, we can have one marshmallow now,

00:35:22 ◼   ► if you wait 30 seconds, you can have two marshmallows,

00:35:24 ◼   ► and the kid's like, one marshmallow now.

00:35:26 ◼   ► So if you can wait until next year or the year after

00:35:29 ◼   ► or sometime after that, you can get a Mac Pro,

00:35:31 ◼   ► which is gonna be probably super awesome,

00:35:33 ◼   ► just like this is, 'cause clearly they're showing

00:35:35 ◼   ► their willingness to put the best of the best stuff

00:35:38 ◼   ► inside a Mac.

00:35:39 ◼   ► They've done it here as best they could

00:35:40 ◼   ► in this little skinny thing.

00:35:41 ◼   ► And in the big Mac Pro, it's gonna be even,

00:35:43 ◼   ► so if you can wait for that, you will get it.

00:35:45 ◼   ► If you can't wait, you can plunk down your life savings

00:35:48 ◼   ► on this thing and get it.

00:35:50 ◼   ► - So is that what you're gonna do?

00:35:50 ◼   ► Are you gonna plunk down your life savings on this thing?

00:35:52 ◼   ► - No, if my, like, I would love to have one of these.

00:35:56 ◼   ► I would love to replace my Mac with it.

00:35:57 ◼   ► It looks like a great computer.

00:35:59 ◼   ► But I bet I'll love the Mac Pro even more.

00:36:03 ◼   ► So I can just keep using my--

00:36:06 ◼   ► I want to go for a decade.

00:36:09 ◼   ► So if I can just keep using my computer for longer--

00:36:11 ◼   ► You're close.

00:36:12 ◼   ► At this point, you might as well.

00:36:13 ◼   ► Wait, right?

00:36:14 ◼   ► I don't-- if we're to have this podcast in 2019,

00:36:17 ◼   ► I still have no computer.

00:36:18 ◼   ► I swear I'm going to go back in time

00:36:20 ◼   ► and buy an iMac Pro right now.

00:36:22 ◼   ► I bet both of those things will be true.

00:36:24 ◼   ► I bet that is accurate.

00:36:26 ◼   ► The big question for me, which is probably

00:36:28 ◼   ► what you're thinking of also is like,

00:36:30 ◼   ► well you're already set on the Mac Pro

00:36:31 ◼   ► for like you know, shape and political reasons.

00:36:34 ◼   ► But like-- - Political reasons?

00:36:36 ◼   ► - But I'm thinking like, what is left for the Mac Pro to do?

00:36:39 ◼   ► And if you look at this, like this really is

00:36:41 ◼   ► a lot of Mac Pro type hardware in an iMac case.

00:36:45 ◼   ► Like what, why should the Mac Pro still exist with this?

00:36:48 ◼   ► And I only came up with a handful of reasons.

00:36:50 ◼   ► Like my big one was if you want multiple CPUs or GPUs.

00:36:56 ◼   ► So presumably a new Mac Pro would have to support

00:37:01 ◼   ► either dual GPU, at least dual GPU sockets,

00:37:04 ◼   ► and maybe dual CPU sockets.

00:37:06 ◼   ► 'Cause otherwise, again, why would this thing exist?

00:37:08 ◼   ► And then of course, maybe they'd have

00:37:09 ◼   ► another Thunderbolt controller,

00:37:10 ◼   ► like a third one to make more bandwidth total

00:37:13 ◼   ► for external connections and stuff.

00:37:15 ◼   ► Maybe they're gonna have some kind of 8K story

00:37:18 ◼   ► with the Pro Display.

00:37:19 ◼   ► - Two 10 gig ethernet ports.

00:37:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, and the big thing also would be

00:37:23 ◼   ► presumably quieter cooling.

00:37:25 ◼   ► - And reliability, just plain reliability and modularity.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Like what you're looking for is,

00:37:29 ◼   ► we always thought, oh it's quieter

00:37:31 ◼   ► and it doesn't get stressed as much,

00:37:32 ◼   ► but for pro hardware, you want it to just be super reliable.

00:37:36 ◼   ► You don't want to be in the edge of the thermal envelope.

00:37:38 ◼   ► Like I kept thinking of the thermal corner thing,

00:37:40 ◼   ► where we painted ourselves into a thermal corner

00:37:42 ◼   ► with the old Mac Pro.

00:37:43 ◼   ► I looked at that, that iMac Pro,

00:37:44 ◼   ► that looks like a hell of a thermal corner.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Like I don't know how much headroom you have in that thing,

00:37:48 ◼   ► but it's like 500 watt power supply,

00:37:50 ◼   ► and that's a lot of energy to, you know,

00:37:54 ◼   ► the waste heat to get out of that system.

00:37:56 ◼   ► The Mac Pro should have headroom.

00:37:59 ◼   ► It should be the type of thing that you can stick

00:38:02 ◼   ► either under a desk or on a desk or however it's gonna be

00:38:04 ◼   ► in some editing bay and leave it there

00:38:06 ◼   ► and it will just be rock solid, reliable, and quiet-ish.

00:38:11 ◼   ► And that's the role.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And of course it'll be even more expensive

00:38:15 ◼   ► and hopefully also cooler looking.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Like if they're saving matte black for something,

00:38:18 ◼   ► use it on the Mac Pro.

00:38:19 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:38:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I think it's,

00:38:22 ◼   ► I actually am a little bit concerned,

00:38:24 ◼   ► like why is this iMac not shipping now?

00:38:27 ◼   ► Is this like, could they not get the CPUs in volume,

00:38:29 ◼   ► or the GPUs custom part, like why--

00:38:31 ◼   ► - I think it was always going to ship.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Like here's the interesting thing about this WAC,

00:38:34 ◼   ► they announced a lot of things,

00:38:35 ◼   ► a lot more things than usual that are not shipping.

00:38:37 ◼   ► So it's kind of like, the old thing was like,

00:38:39 ◼   ► we're gonna tell you things that are shipping

00:38:41 ◼   ► in the near future or now, and if there's stuff later,

00:38:43 ◼   ► we can always have another event about revised whatevers,

00:38:45 ◼   ► but they just announced everything

00:38:47 ◼   ► that they have for this year, it seemed like.

00:38:49 ◼   ► announced almost everything now,

00:38:51 ◼   ► even if it's not shipping until December.

00:38:52 ◼   ► So it makes for a better keynote.

00:38:55 ◼   ► I think we all, it makes for a better keynote

00:38:57 ◼   ► to show the iMac Pro now,

00:38:58 ◼   ► then, they already told us it's coming,

00:39:00 ◼   ► than to wait until December.

00:39:01 ◼   ► And they're gonna miss the holiday season with it too.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Like it's just, it's better,

00:39:06 ◼   ► I think they learned from the Mac Pro thing,

00:39:07 ◼   ► it's better to let people know what's coming

00:39:09 ◼   ► and show it to them and get them excited about it

00:39:11 ◼   ► and it's, you know, when it releases,

00:39:13 ◼   ► everyone will buy it and it'll be fine.

00:39:15 ◼   ► There's no reason they need to have an October event

00:39:17 ◼   ► to reveal the iMac Pro.

00:39:18 ◼   ► So I'm happy that they know.

00:39:19 ◼   ► - Not everyone will be buying it apparently,

00:39:22 ◼   ► but I'm with you in principle.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I think to answer your question Marco,

00:39:25 ◼   ► I think what about user replaceable stuff?

00:39:27 ◼   ► Like having RAM that's user replaceable.

00:39:29 ◼   ► I think to me, in addition to what you were saying,

00:39:32 ◼   ► especially about cooling,

00:39:34 ◼   ► I think the advantage would be user replaceable RAM,

00:39:36 ◼   ► user replaceable storage,

00:39:39 ◼   ► and user replaceable perhaps graphics card

00:39:42 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:39:43 ◼   ► I think that's where a true Mac Pro would shine.

00:39:46 ◼   ► and then for people who don't buy computers

00:39:49 ◼   ► and keep them for a decade,

00:39:52 ◼   ► then you can get the iMac Pro.

00:39:54 ◼   ► But if you like to have computers

00:39:56 ◼   ► that are as old as children,

00:39:58 ◼   ► then you can get a Mac Pro.

00:39:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, that seems reasonable.

00:40:02 ◼   ► - So what else in the hardware?

00:40:05 ◼   ► That was it for the hardware at this point, right?

00:40:07 ◼   ► And then we jumped right into iOS 11.

00:40:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, right into messages.

00:40:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, because woo.

00:40:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, I did lose the bet

00:40:15 ◼   ► that message apps wouldn't be mentioned at all,

00:40:17 ◼   ► but not by much.

00:40:18 ◼   ► Message apps were slightly mentioned,

00:40:22 ◼   ► and I'm sure there were some minor improvements to them,

00:40:24 ◼   ► but for the most part, I think it's kind of like

00:40:26 ◼   ► on the scale of watch OS and tvOS,

00:40:28 ◼   ► well, more than tv, I mean, everything's more than tv,

00:40:31 ◼   ► but kind of on the same scale of watch OS

00:40:32 ◼   ► of like minor improvements here and there,

00:40:34 ◼   ► but we didn't, like, for this brand new app store

00:40:39 ◼   ► and app type that launched only a year ago,

00:40:41 ◼   ► we heard fairly little about it,

00:40:43 ◼   ► and I think that's a little bit concerning

00:40:45 ◼   ► for people who were making iMessage apps

00:40:46 ◼   ► or who thought that was gonna be a bigger thing.

00:40:47 ◼   ► - Well, they did, they're dogfooding it.

00:40:49 ◼   ► They did Apple Pay as an iMessage app.

00:40:50 ◼   ► But I think this is the most important

00:40:52 ◼   ► messages release ever, because it's finally going to work,

00:40:55 ◼   ► in theory, the way that everyone thinks

00:40:57 ◼   ► a message app should work, which is if you send

00:40:59 ◼   ► a bunch of messages on one device

00:41:01 ◼   ► and then you go to another device,

00:41:02 ◼   ► the conversation you just had on the other device is there

00:41:05 ◼   ► with the iCloud syncing of the messages.

00:41:07 ◼   ► I don't know how they're doing that,

00:41:07 ◼   ► preserving the privacy, because the old answer was like,

00:41:09 ◼   ► oh, we can't do that because it's end-to-end encrypted

00:41:11 ◼   ► and we can't send those messages elsewhere.

00:41:13 ◼   ► But I just want, and I hope they're like actually

00:41:14 ◼   ► chronological and not whatever order they're in now.

00:41:18 ◼   ► So if they do that successfully, have a time

00:41:21 ◼   ► ordered series of back and forths of text messages

00:41:23 ◼   ► between people that is the same on all my devices, this

00:41:26 ◼   ► will be the most important messages update ever.

00:41:28 ◼   ► You know, it's funny because I am not trying to joke right

00:41:31 ◼   ► now, but when they were talking about how everything

00:41:33 ◼   ► syncs across devices, I was genuinely confused because

00:41:36 ◼   ► that's pretty much the behavior I see.

00:41:38 ◼   ► Your message is unicorn.

00:41:39 ◼   ► I was just about to say, you stole my joke, that I must be

00:41:42 ◼   ► and I message unicorn because almost always,

00:41:45 ◼   ► I mean there are definitely hiccups from time to time,

00:41:47 ◼   ► but almost always that is what happens today.

00:41:49 ◼   ► And I was really surprised to see, yeah for me.

00:41:51 ◼   ► - I just had it, when I got off the plane

00:41:53 ◼   ► I sent a text message to somebody

00:41:56 ◼   ► and then their text messages for when I was flying

00:41:59 ◼   ► came in below the message I just sent

00:42:02 ◼   ► because even though they were like four hours old,

00:42:05 ◼   ► I want that to go away, I want it to just work normally.

00:42:08 ◼   ► - There's probably also a good security white paper

00:42:10 ◼   ► to read about how the heck they did this

00:42:12 ◼   ► while also maintaining all their end-to-end encryption stuff.

00:42:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:42:16 ◼   ► It seems like I would be willing to sacrifice

00:42:19 ◼   ► the end-to-end encryption just to get the messages

00:42:21 ◼   ► in sync because it's so frustrating

00:42:23 ◼   ► to not see your conversations

00:42:24 ◼   ► that'd be the same in both places.

00:42:26 ◼   ► - You know, another thing that was a little weird,

00:42:28 ◼   ► I have a complaint for the Apple AV people

00:42:31 ◼   ► that I would like to air in front of everyone.

00:42:33 ◼   ► If you're in the back of the room

00:42:34 ◼   ► or toward the back of the room,

00:42:35 ◼   ► the screen that the presenters are presenting in front of,

00:42:39 ◼   ► it goes all the way to the floor of the stage.

00:42:41 ◼   ► Like this logo behind us.

00:42:42 ◼   ► Yeah, kind of like the logo behind us, right?

00:42:44 ◼   ► So it goes to the floor of the stage,

00:42:46 ◼   ► which means anything that's happening

00:42:47 ◼   ► on the bottom quarter of the screen,

00:42:48 ◼   ► unless you're in the first 10 or 15 rows,

00:42:50 ◼   ► you have no freaking clue what is happening.

00:42:52 ◼   ► Like the prices, like they put the prices

00:42:54 ◼   ► and stuff on the bottom.

00:42:55 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

00:42:56 ◼   ► All you can see is the back of people's heads

00:42:58 ◼   ► and then everyone's craning their necks.

00:42:59 ◼   ► It wasn't a great setup, but they'll fix that next year.

00:43:01 ◼   ► Well, this is the way it's always been,

00:43:02 ◼   ► and maybe we just made a poor choice.

00:43:04 ◼   ► It's a little bit higher in Moscow,

00:43:05 ◼   ► and in Presidio, the screen is a little bit higher.

00:43:07 ◼   ► Yeah, they're like hanging it from the ceiling in Presidio.

00:43:09 ◼   ► That was never a problem.

00:43:10 ◼   ► - Well no, there's-- - No, no, the front screen.

00:43:12 ◼   ► - The front screen. - The front screen.

00:43:13 ◼   ► - The front of the room. - Oh yeah, forget it.

00:43:15 ◼   ► - All right, so iOS 11, it had messages improvements.

00:43:19 ◼   ► I am really stoked about the peer-to-peer Apple Pay.

00:43:22 ◼   ► I don't know how much that's gonna blow up,

00:43:24 ◼   ► but like a lot of my family and friends use iPhones.

00:43:28 ◼   ► And so for that, it'll be super simple.

00:43:30 ◼   ► I'm curious to see what the extract

00:43:33 ◼   ► from Apple Pay kind of workflow is.

00:43:35 ◼   ► How clunky is it to get it into your bank?

00:43:38 ◼   ► Do you have to just associate a debit card

00:43:40 ◼   ► and then it's just magic after that?

00:43:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think that it'll be fine.

00:43:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I mean, I'm just curious to see it.

00:43:45 ◼   ► - They're competing with like,

00:43:45 ◼   ► Dwalla and Square and other companies

00:43:47 ◼   ► that have a similar experience,

00:43:48 ◼   ► so I don't think they're gonna be worse,

00:43:50 ◼   ► but it is kind of fragmenting the payment ecosystem now,

00:43:53 ◼   ► 'cause I mean, I guess it already was fragmented.

00:43:54 ◼   ► If you try to send somebody money,

00:43:55 ◼   ► you have to go through this little dance for us.

00:43:57 ◼   ► Do you have Square?

00:43:58 ◼   ► Do you use Dwall?

00:43:58 ◼   ► Are you willing to sign up an account for any of these?

00:44:00 ◼   ► Now it's gonna be like--

00:44:01 ◼   ► - Hello Venmo?

00:44:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, do you have Apple Pay?

00:44:04 ◼   ► We'll work it out.

00:44:04 ◼   ► I mean, if you go to this conference,

00:44:06 ◼   ► next year everyone will be giving each other money for meals on Apple Pay, so that'll work

00:44:09 ◼   ► out fine.

00:44:10 ◼   ► It'll be pretty nice.

00:44:11 ◼   ► So Siri's still a thing.

00:44:13 ◼   ► It is more and more things over time.

00:44:15 ◼   ► There's new voices, which are good.

00:44:17 ◼   ► Translation, which does look super cool, but what I'm a little concerned with is, so I

00:44:23 ◼   ► can say in some arbitrary other language, you know, "Hey, where's the bathroom?"

00:44:27 ◼   ► But what happens when they reply?

00:44:31 ◼   ► Like do I, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

00:44:33 ◼   ► hold on.

00:44:34 ◼   ► There are apps for that in the App Store, right?

00:44:35 ◼   ► their text, their speech and translate it for you?

00:44:37 ◼   ► I guess.

00:44:38 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

00:44:39 ◼   ► They're probably made by Google.

00:44:40 ◼   ► But like, why, like, yeah, that's a good point.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Like, when I saw the feature, I'm like, "Oh, that'll be great for travel."

00:44:43 ◼   ► I didn't even think about what I'd do with the response that I get.

00:44:46 ◼   ► That's the problem.

00:44:47 ◼   ► Like, it's, I'm not trying to...

00:44:48 ◼   ► Do I hand them the phone and have them hold the button down?

00:44:49 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:44:50 ◼   ► And then record their response and then...

00:44:51 ◼   ► I mean, and I'm not trying to rain on the parade.

00:44:53 ◼   ► I'm really not.

00:44:54 ◼   ► Like, it's an amazing feature and I'm sure it's going to be super cool.

00:44:57 ◼   ► But if it's only one-way communication, it only takes you but so far.

00:45:02 ◼   ► It only takes you one way.

00:45:03 ◼   ► - Well, we are Americans traveling to places

00:45:05 ◼   ► that don't speak English, so it is kind of our style

00:45:09 ◼   ► to just yell at people and not accept,

00:45:10 ◼   ► not have any kind of response.

00:45:11 ◼   ► - That's true, that is a fair point.

00:45:13 ◼   ► But there's not, I don't recall seeing very much

00:45:17 ◼   ► SiriKit for you, was right?

00:45:20 ◼   ► - You were asking this really for people to pause

00:45:22 ◼   ► on that slide that had all the new intents on it.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Did you ever get that info?

00:45:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I did, there was nothing.

00:45:26 ◼   ► There's, I mean, and this was actually

00:45:28 ◼   ► a big disappointment for me that there was no

00:45:31 ◼   ► like SiriKit expansion into audio type services

00:45:33 ◼   ► so that I could use it for Overcast

00:45:35 ◼   ► and people could use it for things like Spotify

00:45:37 ◼   ► and everything and I think last year

00:45:38 ◼   ► when this was not present, the theory we came up with was,

00:45:42 ◼   ► well, it's probably because they just didn't get to it.

00:45:45 ◼   ► But it might be to protect and enhance Apple Music

00:45:49 ◼   ► because that's giving Apple Music a big advantage in Syria

00:45:52 ◼   ► and having that integration and that will drive

00:45:54 ◼   ► subscriptions to Apple Music over the competitors.

00:45:56 ◼   ► So this year, as another year goes by and it's not there,

00:46:00 ◼   ► I still think those are the two explanations,

00:46:02 ◼   ► but just the probability shifted a little bit.

00:46:05 ◼   ► Where they might have still just not gotten to it.

00:46:07 ◼   ► The things they added, the list was not very long.

00:46:10 ◼   ► So maybe they just didn't get to it yet.

00:46:12 ◼   ► Because it is a big job, you do have to have some kind of way

00:46:14 ◼   ► to index the content of the audio service

00:46:17 ◼   ► so that they know even how to parse things

00:46:20 ◼   ► to know what people are talking about.

00:46:21 ◼   ► So I'd have to have some kind of indexing extension

00:46:25 ◼   ► for them to index all the shows and overcast

00:46:27 ◼   ► for the whole online service and things like that.

00:46:29 ◼   ► So that is a lot for them to build.

00:46:31 ◼   ► There's parts of it there already,

00:46:32 ◼   ► but that's a lot to build.

00:46:34 ◼   ► So maybe they just didn't get to it.

00:46:35 ◼   ► But they also are still are really,

00:46:39 ◼   ► Apple Music is still in a pretty good place now

00:46:41 ◼   ► because it has Siri integration and nothing else does.

00:46:44 ◼   ► And as they go into things like the HomePod,

00:46:46 ◼   ► it's gonna have a similar effect of like,

00:46:49 ◼   ► well, if you want to use a stream music

00:46:50 ◼   ► with this new speaker that you wanna buy from Apple,

00:46:53 ◼   ► you can only use Apple Music with it basically.

00:46:55 ◼   ► So that is, I think,

00:46:58 ◼   ► Again, they might have just not gotten to it yet,

00:47:01 ◼   ► but as more time goes on that they don't add this,

00:47:05 ◼   ► fairly obvious feature that a lot of people want,

00:47:07 ◼   ► I think the answer is gonna be much more likely

00:47:09 ◼   ► to just be, yeah, they just wanna have

00:47:11 ◼   ► that app music only.

00:47:12 ◼   ► - But what intents did they add?

00:47:13 ◼   ► Like, they might just be doing it in priority order.

00:47:15 ◼   ► Obviously, your priority is audio,

00:47:16 ◼   ► but maybe they're doing like the most,

00:47:18 ◼   ► they think like the most common ones,

00:47:19 ◼   ► the ones that have the most apps, the most users,

00:47:20 ◼   ► and they're working their way down the list

00:47:22 ◼   ► getting to audio eventually.

00:47:23 ◼   ► - Right, and that's, again, it's like that's,

00:47:25 ◼   ► it depends on how long they go before this happens,

00:47:27 ◼   ► like how you evaluate this, they didn't,

00:47:29 ◼   ► honestly they didn't add as much

00:47:31 ◼   ► as I thought they would this year.

00:47:32 ◼   ► I thought there would be a large expansion

00:47:34 ◼   ► of SiriKit intents, and there really wasn't.

00:47:36 ◼   ► There were like three or four of them,

00:47:37 ◼   ► and they were fairly basic type things.

00:47:40 ◼   ► So my whole prediction of this being

00:47:42 ◼   ► like an all Siri heavy keynote was mostly wrong,

00:47:46 ◼   ► because it really was not as much about Siri as I expected.

00:47:49 ◼   ► - You were right about one thing though.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Like I was totally expecting them,

00:47:52 ◼   ► especially with the HomePod business,

00:47:53 ◼   ► I was expecting them to say, "Siri is massively improved.

00:47:56 ◼   ► we have made Siri so much better, it's smarter,

00:47:59 ◼   ► and just call it Siri 2, or really promoting the idea

00:48:03 ◼   ► that Siri doesn't do things that are as silly

00:48:06 ◼   ► as it currently does, but they didn't.

00:48:07 ◼   ► And I remember last week you were like,

00:48:09 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna be the same old Siri.

00:48:11 ◼   ► And aside from new capabilities,

00:48:14 ◼   ► obviously a whole new vocabulary,

00:48:15 ◼   ► we're talking about music to work with the Apple Music thing.

00:48:17 ◼   ► - New voice.

00:48:18 ◼   ► - Right, but what about all the other things

00:48:19 ◼   ► that we currently ask?

00:48:21 ◼   ► Before the show, people were sharing screenshots

00:48:23 ◼   ► of them asking when is the keynote,

00:48:25 ◼   ► when is the Apple event, so on and so forth.

00:48:27 ◼   ► And I think someone said, it was Nealey Patel said,

00:48:29 ◼   ► when is the Apple keynote?

00:48:32 ◼   ► And it said, you know, June 5th or whatever.

00:48:34 ◼   ► Like what time does it start?

00:48:35 ◼   ► And it said June 5th.

00:48:36 ◼   ► And other people said, oh, you just gotta ask it

00:48:37 ◼   ► the right way, when is the Apple event?

00:48:39 ◼   ► And it gave all the info down to the time, right?

00:48:41 ◼   ► And then people followed up with that,

00:48:42 ◼   ► with the exact same text, asking the Siri the same question.

00:48:45 ◼   ► And Siri going, I don't know.

00:48:46 ◼   ► And so, there's nothing in here that says,

00:48:49 ◼   ► we have massively improved Siri.

00:48:52 ◼   ► They have expanded Siri to be able to do more things

00:48:55 ◼   ► by extending its vocabulary, adding a few intents

00:48:58 ◼   ► and putting it in HomePod,

00:48:59 ◼   ► but it seems like it's the same old Siri.

00:49:01 ◼   ► They seem to be happy with Siri's understanding of things

00:49:04 ◼   ► and I really think they need to,

00:49:07 ◼   ► I mean, obviously you can do the marketing push

00:49:09 ◼   ► without the tech, but I hope they need to improve the tech.

00:49:11 ◼   ► I would love to have a conversation with Siri.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I would love to go back and forth

00:49:14 ◼   ► to be able to correct Siri, to have it learn,

00:49:16 ◼   ► to have it just darn be smarter.

00:49:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, and also to be more reliable

00:49:21 ◼   ► and to be more consistent.

00:49:23 ◼   ► That's the one thing where we'll get to do

00:49:25 ◼   ► with HomePod later, but that's one area

00:49:28 ◼   ► where Siri has always been a little bit behind competitors,

00:49:30 ◼   ► just reliability and consistency in the responses

00:49:33 ◼   ► and getting it right every time.

00:49:36 ◼   ► - That's why people love to post the screenshots,

00:49:37 ◼   ► because as soon as someone has a comeback,

00:49:39 ◼   ► like, oh, I asked it and it got the thing right,

00:49:41 ◼   ► someone just immediately thought,

00:49:42 ◼   ► I asked the exact same question,

00:49:43 ◼   ► and we're sitting next to each other in a room,

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's not like we're in different countries,

00:49:47 ◼   ► like what, very frustrating.

00:49:49 ◼   ► So it makes you wanna use it less,

00:49:51 ◼   ► and we'll get to that with the HomePod stuff

00:49:52 ◼   ► when we talk about that,

00:49:52 ◼   ► but we talked about it with the cylinders.

00:49:53 ◼   ► if it doesn't do what you want, you stop asking it that question because it's not worth your

00:49:58 ◼   ► time and potential self-consciousness to talk to your device and have it come back to you

00:50:04 ◼   ► in a way that is not satisfactory. You just say, "Oh, I'm not going through that again."

00:50:08 ◼   ► This year was the year of iPads and it was the year of codecs because not only is there

00:50:12 ◼   ► HEVC like we talked about earlier, which is going to be used for iPhone captured videos,

00:50:17 ◼   ► but HEF is what they call it? HEF, that's what it was. That's replacing JPEG apparently,

00:50:23 ◼   ► which in and of itself, that sounds good,

00:50:26 ◼   ► especially if it's better in every measurable way,

00:50:28 ◼   ► but it needs to be adopted everywhere like JPEG is,

00:50:33 ◼   ► and I presume over time it will,

00:50:34 ◼   ► and they may mention the state of the union

00:50:36 ◼   ► that it's like an ISO standard or something like that.

00:50:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not the Apple proprietary thing,

00:50:39 ◼   ► as people are wondering.

00:50:40 ◼   ► It's not something they invented.

00:50:41 ◼   ► And I think they had a good story about compatibility.

00:50:44 ◼   ► Yeah, we're using this internally.

00:50:46 ◼   ► It takes up, the big selling point,

00:50:48 ◼   ► which they emphasize a little bit,

00:50:49 ◼   ► is your phone won't fill with videos and photos as fast

00:50:53 ◼   ► because they'll be smaller.

00:50:55 ◼   ► And also, by the way, they'll be nicer quality

00:50:57 ◼   ► and at the same time they're smaller.

00:50:59 ◼   ► So that's a great product story,

00:51:01 ◼   ► because that's a common problem people have

00:51:02 ◼   ► with filling their phone up with stuff.

00:51:04 ◼   ► But then the story is, okay, well how do I share them?

00:51:06 ◼   ► And they're gonna be super conservative.

00:51:08 ◼   ► If you send your Heef thing anywhere else,

00:51:11 ◼   ► if you email it to somebody,

00:51:12 ◼   ► if you try to import it to another app,

00:51:14 ◼   ► if you send it in messages, anything like that,

00:51:16 ◼   ► then it converts on the fly to JPEG at that point.

00:51:19 ◼   ► And you don't get the big win unless everybody

00:51:21 ◼   ► switches to Heef, but I don't know if they will.

00:51:23 ◼   ► but even if it's just on device,

00:51:25 ◼   ► if he never leaves your device, it's just on device

00:51:28 ◼   ► and they be syncing with photos,

00:51:29 ◼   ► that is still a big win for the product

00:51:31 ◼   ► because no one else is doing that,

00:51:32 ◼   ► their phones are gonna fill up with photos faster

00:51:34 ◼   ► than Apple's of the same size.

00:51:35 ◼   ► - Additionally, depth API for those of you

00:51:39 ◼   ► who use the preposterously oversized ridiculous phone

00:51:42 ◼   ► that you shouldn't use, so that's kind of exciting.

00:51:45 ◼   ► - It's gonna come to our phone this fall.

00:51:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, eventually, yeah.

00:51:48 ◼   ► But that's kind of cool.

00:51:49 ◼   ► I'm curious to see, all snark aside,

00:51:51 ◼   ► I think that is one of the more interesting APIs

00:51:53 ◼   ► that they've made mention of so far,

00:51:55 ◼   ► because I think there could be some really cool

00:51:57 ◼   ► and clever stuff done with that.

00:52:00 ◼   ► I don't know exactly what that would be,

00:52:01 ◼   ► otherwise I would probably be back in writing it right now,

00:52:04 ◼   ► because that's clearly the way to a billion dollars.

00:52:06 ◼   ► But I'm really anxious to see--

00:52:09 ◼   ► - Fast text too.

00:52:10 ◼   ► - It's happening, with depth, now with depth.

00:52:13 ◼   ► But I'm really curious to see kind of where that goes

00:52:15 ◼   ► and what all of you folks do with it,

00:52:18 ◼   ► because I think it could be really powerful

00:52:19 ◼   ► really interesting. Control Center is better now. It's one page, which is super exciting,

00:52:26 ◼   ► because I cannot tell you, we can cheer for that, that's cool.

00:52:29 ◼   ► I cheered for that.

00:52:32 ◼   ► I cannot tell you the amount of times I will swipe up and then swipe left or right immediately,

00:52:38 ◼   ► because I feel like any time I open Control Center, I am inevitably on the wrong page.

00:52:42 ◼   ► It is like a rule that that's the way it works. So that's really cool.

00:52:46 ◼   ► The biggest problem with Control Center, I would imagine that Apple would notice, and

00:52:49 ◼   ► we don't. How many people don't even know there's another screen in Control Center?

00:52:53 ◼   ► And especially if that person's phone somehow gets switched to the other screen and they're

00:52:57 ◼   ► like, "My volume control is gone. Where did it go?" They don't see the little dots. I

00:53:01 ◼   ► bet that's one of the big reasons why they changed it. It's not discoverable. And yes,

00:53:06 ◼   ► for the people who do know what it is, it's frustrating, but having it all in one, especially

00:53:09 ◼   ► since it doesn't take up your whole screen, they have the room to make it bigger. And

00:53:12 ◼   ► from what I saw, you can customize Control Center and sort of decide what you want on

00:53:16 ◼   ► your one screen. I'm not sure how much it scales. Like can you put like all the widgets

00:53:20 ◼   ► and your control center fills up the whole screen. But anyway, definitely an improvement.

00:53:24 ◼   ► Yeah underscore David Smith, I don't know if he's here somewhere, but he put the iOS

00:53:29 ◼   ► 11 beta onto an iPhone 6 and I got to play with it very briefly and I was mostly playing

00:53:34 ◼   ► with control center and it worked really well and they did a really good job of kind of

00:53:38 ◼   ► the faux 3D touch or forced touch, whatever it's called, I forget what it's called this

00:53:42 ◼   ► But anyway, so if you tap on the panel that has Wi-Fi and

00:53:47 ◼   ► Bluetooth and stuff like that, if you deep press on that on a

00:53:51 ◼   ► more modern iPhone, it will immediately snap to the

00:53:54 ◼   ► expanded blown up view where it has text in it and there's a

00:53:57 ◼   ► few other controls.

00:53:59 ◼   ► And on an iPhone 6 or one of these ones without Force Touch,

00:54:02 ◼   ► then what it'll end up doing is if you just tap and hold on

00:54:06 ◼   ► that pane--

00:54:07 ◼   ► I think they had a name for it, didn't they?

00:54:08 ◼   ► I forget what they were calling it.

00:54:09 ◼   ► But anyway, if you tap and hold on that just for a

00:54:11 ◼   ► for a moment, it'll blow it up as though you had

00:54:13 ◼   ► deep touched it, which I thought was really well executed.

00:54:16 ◼   ► It looks, visually it looks good-ish,

00:54:20 ◼   ► like I feel like it's a little haphazard,

00:54:22 ◼   ► but by and large, I'm okay with the design.

00:54:25 ◼   ► But I am super amped to use it,

00:54:27 ◼   ► because I think it is way more functional

00:54:29 ◼   ► than what we've got, and I use Control Center constantly.

00:54:32 ◼   ► So I'm really excited for it.

00:54:33 ◼   ► - It's function over form, finally,

00:54:35 ◼   ► because the old controls looked more elegant.

00:54:37 ◼   ► There's like a thin line with a tiny little thing on it,

00:54:39 ◼   ► even though the touch area for the tiny little bulb

00:54:41 ◼   ► like your volume control or brightness slider or whatever.

00:54:45 ◼   ► The hit area, that was probably bigger.

00:54:47 ◼   ► It looks small and delicate.

00:54:48 ◼   ► It looked better in screenshots.

00:54:49 ◼   ► This looks kind of dorky in screenshots,

00:54:50 ◼   ► but the giant bars that you fill, right?

00:54:54 ◼   ► That's like the size of your finger.

00:54:56 ◼   ► It's like the oxo good grips of control sets.

00:54:58 ◼   ► We don't care how it looks.

00:55:00 ◼   ► It's like this is a big, chunky thing.

00:55:02 ◼   ► Put your thumb in here, and when you slide it,

00:55:04 ◼   ► it'll be clear how much white is filling the bar,

00:55:06 ◼   ► and you can even zoom it to a bigger mode

00:55:07 ◼   ► to make it fill your entire screen.

00:55:09 ◼   ► So it doesn't look as nice in screenshots.

00:55:11 ◼   ► Maybe Johnny Ivey's on vacation, or he's too busy

00:55:13 ◼   ► designing door handles.

00:55:14 ◼   ► But it functions better.

00:55:17 ◼   ► You are always on vacation in California, am I right,

00:55:19 ◼   ► everyone?

00:55:20 ◼   ► I mean, that's kind of how this works.

00:55:20 ◼   ► But he lives in England now, right?

00:55:22 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:55:22 ◼   ► Oh.

00:55:23 ◼   ► Yikes.

00:55:24 ◼   ► All right, what was next?

00:55:26 ◼   ► Don't you have in the audience, anyone?

00:55:27 ◼   ► No.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Just stand up.

00:55:29 ◼   ► That sounds likely.

00:55:30 ◼   ► Fight me.

00:55:31 ◼   ► All right.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Oh, Lock Center and Notification Center are now merged.

00:55:35 ◼   ► And I don't know what to think about this.

00:55:37 ◼   ► I did not get a chance to play with that on underscore's phone. The way they demoed it, it looked pretty good to me,

00:55:43 ◼   ► but I'm gonna be perturbed if I swipe down to see past notifications,

00:55:48 ◼   ► and then swipe up to go back to what I was doing, and then immediately have to like

00:55:52 ◼   ► reauthorize myself and use Touch ID again. I don't think that's how it works.

00:55:56 ◼   ► Yeah, but that's the thing, I'm not sure. It's showing you the lock screen, but you haven't relocked your phone.

00:56:00 ◼   ► The promise, I confess that I am very bad at dealing with notifications. I don't understand where notifications go.

00:56:07 ◼   ► I see them and then I say where and I will like dismiss them or read them and I want

00:56:14 ◼   ► to see that notification again.

00:56:15 ◼   ► I'm hoping what this does is make it so notifications are in a single place and they stay there

00:56:20 ◼   ► forever and I can just scroll, scroll, scroll and go back through them at any time.

00:56:23 ◼   ► I'm not sure if that's true but that would be a usability improvement for me because

00:56:27 ◼   ► having notifications in multiple places and having them sort of, I don't know, auto dismiss

00:56:31 ◼   ► themselves or they go off into the cornfield, I don't know where they go but I can't find

00:56:36 ◼   ► them again and it's frustrating.

00:56:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean it seems like every,

00:56:38 ◼   ► for the last few iOS releases,

00:56:40 ◼   ► they've messed with the lock screen

00:56:43 ◼   ► versus notification center because, you know,

00:56:45 ◼   ► ever since Touch ID got super fast, it got kinda weird,

00:56:48 ◼   ► and then they tried messing it with it another way

00:56:49 ◼   ► last year and now this year they're messing with it

00:56:51 ◼   ► a different way.

00:56:52 ◼   ► They're just trying to solve the problem

00:56:53 ◼   ► of how do you make these things continue to be sensible

00:56:57 ◼   ► with hardware advances and new UI trends

00:57:01 ◼   ► and as people, as these things get more advanced

00:57:02 ◼   ► and everything.

00:57:03 ◼   ► I think this is like the annual messing with the lock screen

00:57:07 ◼   ► type thing and well, whatever it is, it's probably fine

00:57:10 ◼   ► and we're all gonna get used to it in like a day.

00:57:12 ◼   ► There's gonna be a lot of complaining

00:57:13 ◼   ► but everyone will get used to it.

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00:59:14 ◼   ► - Maybe you should invite people into your house

00:59:16 ◼   ► and have them stare at you while you do the ad reads

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00:59:29 ◼   ► All right, we gotta pick up the pace

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00:59:33 ◼   ► Live Photos has motion smoothing things, looping.

00:59:36 ◼   ► They didn't, I don't believe, have the like,

00:59:39 ◼   ► what is that Google app that was super cool,

00:59:41 ◼   ► that is super cool, that will take your motion photo

00:59:44 ◼   ► that's kind of blowing it around and kind of lock it down?

00:59:45 ◼   ► - No, I think they actually did that,

00:59:46 ◼   ► that kind of feature. - Does it do that?

00:59:47 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Okay.

00:59:48 ◼   ► - It does a few different features.

00:59:49 ◼   ► It does that, it does like the cinemagraph kind of thing

00:59:51 ◼   ► where you have like a motion thing

00:59:52 ◼   ► that kind of freezes the background.

00:59:54 ◼   ► And they also had the long exposure thing,

00:59:56 ◼   ► which kind of looks like that, but an distilled version.

00:59:58 ◼   ► There were a few different improvements there,

00:59:59 ◼   ► pretty cool.

01:00:00 ◼   ► - So here's my question about live photos,

01:00:01 ◼   ► which I don't have an answer to,

01:00:02 ◼   ► because it's stable on a W3C.

01:00:04 ◼   ► I think that they're using Heap for Live Photos,

01:00:08 ◼   ► and that every single frame of it is an H265 compressed,

01:00:13 ◼   ► that's why you can pick a keyframe.

01:00:15 ◼   ► You know how now we have a high res JPEG

01:00:16 ◼   ► and then this really low quality,

01:00:17 ◼   ► like MPEG animation for the live picture animation?

01:00:21 ◼   ► you would never want to say,

01:00:22 ◼   ► oh, I wanna replace my still image

01:00:24 ◼   ► with a frame from the crappy low res video

01:00:26 ◼   ► in a live picture.

01:00:27 ◼   ► Seems to me that in the new thing,

01:00:29 ◼   ► that it takes a series of 17 or 20 pictures

01:00:32 ◼   ► or whatever, how long it is,

01:00:33 ◼   ► and every single one of them

01:00:35 ◼   ► is exactly as if you'd taken a photo from your camera.

01:00:38 ◼   ► And that's why you can choose which frame you want.

01:00:40 ◼   ► It could be they're just letting you choose a key frame

01:00:42 ◼   ► and if you choose that one,

01:00:43 ◼   ► your thing looks all blurry and gross,

01:00:44 ◼   ► but I really hope that live photos are now heaped containers

01:00:48 ◼   ► and every single frame of them is max quality,

01:00:50 ◼   ► 'cause that would be awesome.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, that would be really nice.

01:00:53 ◼   ► And that might depend on new hardware

01:00:55 ◼   ► to be able to dump image data off the sensor

01:00:57 ◼   ► at that speed, at that resolution reliably,

01:01:00 ◼   ► but if they can do any part of that,

01:01:02 ◼   ► if they can just increase the frame rate

01:01:04 ◼   ► or increase the resolution of the video segment

01:01:06 ◼   ► on older hardware, on current phones or older phones,

01:01:08 ◼   ► that would be an awesome improvement.

01:01:10 ◼   ► - And they do have, they're gonna have hardware support

01:01:12 ◼   ► for H.265 on existing phones, so they could do the old way,

01:01:15 ◼   ► which is we'll take one really good JPEG or HEIF image

01:01:18 ◼   ► at super high res and then take an H.265 video

01:01:20 ◼   ► at higher res because now we can do that just to make live photos nicer.

01:01:25 ◼   ► Because very often live photos are really cute, but the live photo-y part, like the

01:01:29 ◼   ► animated part, is so much lower res and lower quality than the still image that it's kind

01:01:32 ◼   ► of disappointing.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:34 ◼   ► So my speed run is going excellently.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Siri giving you...

01:01:36 ◼   ► It always does.

01:01:37 ◼   ► It always does.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Siri is giving you things, this is air quote, "Siri," is giving you things from other apps

01:01:43 ◼   ► and other places.

01:01:44 ◼   ► They use the example of some place in Iceland that I'm not going to try to pronounce.

01:01:47 ◼   ► So quote unquote Siri will see you interacting with like a webpage about Iceland and then

01:01:53 ◼   ► when you try to type that same name in an iMessage it will auto suggest it.

01:01:56 ◼   ► Looked cool, some machine learning stuff.

01:01:58 ◼   ► And also it will rat you out to Apple News because you go to Apple News and they'll be

01:02:01 ◼   ► like do you want some stories about Iceland?

01:02:03 ◼   ► I was like how do you know I'm interested in Iceland Apple News?

01:02:05 ◼   ► That was a little creepy.

01:02:06 ◼   ► I thought that was a little googly.

01:02:08 ◼   ► A little aggressive, a little aggressive.

01:02:09 ◼   ► All right so Maps has internal maps of malls which aren't going to exist in two years and

01:02:14 ◼   ► it also has.

01:02:15 ◼   ► Amazon's opening retail store, so they'll all be--

01:02:18 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:02:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's nothing but Apple stores.

01:02:20 ◼   ► And then internal airport maps of the inside

01:02:23 ◼   ► of the airport, terminal maps.

01:02:24 ◼   ► That's super cool.

01:02:25 ◼   ► Not my airport.

01:02:27 ◼   ► Of course not yours.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Of course.

01:02:29 ◼   ► Do not disturb while driving, two thumbs up.

01:02:31 ◼   ► I think that's really cool.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Is that going to be on by default?

01:02:34 ◼   ► Because that would be great.

01:02:34 ◼   ► I think it is.

01:02:35 ◼   ► Yeah, so I mean, this is the kind of thing like that.

01:02:37 ◼   ► I mean, that genuinely could save lives.

01:02:38 ◼   ► All right, so everyone who's applauding it,

01:02:39 ◼   ► you can all turn it on on your phones

01:02:41 ◼   ► and have everyone who texts you get that rude message back

01:02:43 ◼   ► that says, I'm driving now.

01:02:45 ◼   ► I'll send you, like--

01:02:47 ◼   ► - No, I think this is, but again,

01:02:48 ◼   ► this is kind of like the Apple Watch,

01:02:50 ◼   ► like annoyance of notifications thing.

01:02:52 ◼   ► Like, this is the kind of thing

01:02:53 ◼   ► that's an awesome thing to do.

01:02:55 ◼   ► It's, I assume it's gonna be on by default,

01:02:57 ◼   ► which is even more awesome.

01:02:58 ◼   ► My only hesitation of judging it is like,

01:03:01 ◼   ► will people leave it on in enough volume to matter?

01:03:04 ◼   ► And I think we all should.

01:03:06 ◼   ► You know, let's get started with our audience.

01:03:07 ◼   ► That's like a lot of people right there.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Let's get started and let's leave it on.

01:03:10 ◼   ► - Then like your mom tries to text you

01:03:11 ◼   ► and gets this rude message back and thinks you wrote it

01:03:14 ◼   ► because there's no indication in the UI

01:03:15 ◼   ► that you are literally not typing that.

01:03:16 ◼   ► And she's gonna say, "Well, if you're driving,

01:03:18 ◼   ► "how did you have time to write me this

01:03:19 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

01:03:22 ◼   ► "grammatically correct, correctly punctuated sentence?

01:03:25 ◼   ► "They should know it's not you

01:03:26 ◼   ► "because everything is spelled right."

01:03:27 ◼   ► - I know you were at a stoplight.

01:03:29 ◼   ► - I was gonna say, like, is your mom really like that?

01:03:31 ◼   ► But I thought, well, actually, I don't know your mom,

01:03:33 ◼   ► but she produced you, and so--

01:03:34 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

01:03:36 ◼   ► There's a chance--

01:03:37 ◼   ► - She sent me a grammar correction for a recent podcast.

01:03:40 ◼   ► - No way!

01:03:42 ◼   ► You don't say.

01:03:43 ◼   ► So yeah, so we're all going to, we're all friends here, and we're all going to agree

01:03:46 ◼   ► to leave, do not disturb while driving on. I also thought it's visually a little bit

01:03:50 ◼   ► kind of cheesy and ham-fisted, but the thing where you can say, you can reply, and I guess

01:03:56 ◼   ► if you have an urgent message, it'll say, "Hey, if this is really urgent, reply with

01:04:01 ◼   ► the word urgent," and the phone will let that bubble through.

01:04:04 ◼   ► All you're going to do is let your friends immediately type "urgent" to tell you, "I

01:04:07 ◼   ► caught this new Pokemon," and it's totally urgent. Like, who's, what is urgent, really?

01:04:12 ◼   ► If you tell them how to bypass it, and then you're going to look at your phone and see

01:04:16 ◼   ► that they caught a new Magikarp, and you're going to crash into a telephone pole.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Well, hopefully your friends are nice enough to know that they're taking your life into

01:04:24 ◼   ► their hands.

01:04:25 ◼   ► Your friends sound like jerks.

01:04:26 ◼   ► Wait, that's us!

01:04:27 ◼   ► Oh, God.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Oh, this took a dark turn.

01:04:31 ◼   ► Okay, so HomeKit speakers, AirPlay 2 is a thing.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Kind of telegraphing the end of the keynote there.

01:04:39 ◼   ► - Well yeah, but they have HomeKit now supports

01:04:41 ◼   ► a speaker type.

01:04:42 ◼   ► HomeKit was not renamed to Siri, I lost that bet as well.

01:04:45 ◼   ► I mean, I lost all my predictions.

01:04:47 ◼   ► But yeah, they have multi-room audio that's presumably

01:04:50 ◼   ► synced up and everything like Sonos.

01:04:52 ◼   ► Not the first time they took a dig at Sonos

01:04:54 ◼   ► during this keynote, but not surprising.

01:04:57 ◼   ► And I mean, they actually had multi-room audio

01:04:58 ◼   ► with the iTunes share thing forever ago.

01:05:02 ◼   ► So yeah, that's pretty nice.

01:05:04 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to there being the API for that

01:05:06 ◼   ► for third-party devs to presumably control.

01:05:09 ◼   ► That's actually the only thing on the overcast

01:05:12 ◼   ► to-do list so far of things I should integrate this summer.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I was expecting a lot more. - You fully support Sonos

01:05:16 ◼   ► just as they go out of business.

01:05:17 ◼   ► Good job, Marco.

01:05:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:05:20 ◼   ► Did they have a slide, or somebody tweeted something

01:05:22 ◼   ► and said they had a list of all the devices

01:05:24 ◼   ► that support AirPlay 2, or all the manufacturers

01:05:27 ◼   ► that are gonna support AirPlay 2,

01:05:28 ◼   ► so you can use this new, better protocol to talk to them,

01:05:30 ◼   ► and Sonos was not on that list.

01:05:32 ◼   ► - It doesn't support AirPlay 1, either.

01:05:33 ◼   ► So to do Sonos on an AirPlay, you basically have to

01:05:36 ◼   ► have an airport express that you run into the aux jack

01:05:39 ◼   ► of a quite pricey Sonos bridge product

01:05:42 ◼   ► that has an aux input.

01:05:44 ◼   ► And then the main problem with that is that then

01:05:46 ◼   ► AirPlay has a two second lag, Sonos adds its own lag

01:05:50 ◼   ► also for like another second or so.

01:05:52 ◼   ► So anything, it's like moving through maple syrup,

01:05:54 ◼   ► you like hit pause and then three seconds later it pauses.

01:05:56 ◼   ► It's not a great experience.

01:05:58 ◼   ► - It's not a sweet solution, is it?

01:06:00 ◼   ► So the ghost of ping is back, that's exciting.

01:06:05 ◼   ► - The cousin of Kinect, because we said Kinect,

01:06:08 ◼   ► and we go, Kinect is not like Ping.

01:06:10 ◼   ► I can't keep track of their social--

01:06:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, Kinect is like Twitter for artists,

01:06:14 ◼   ► and YouTube for artists, but both Twitter and YouTube

01:06:17 ◼   ► are way more popular than it was and is.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Is Kinect still there, or did they replace it

01:06:21 ◼   ► with whatever this new thing is?

01:06:22 ◼   ► - Well, so here's the thing.

01:06:23 ◼   ► It'll show you what your friends are listening to.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Your friends are listening to this,

01:06:26 ◼   ► your friends are listening to that.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Where is it getting your friends from?

01:06:28 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

01:06:30 ◼   ► Does Apple have a social graph?

01:06:31 ◼   ► I mean, they have your contacts, but,

01:06:34 ◼   ► I mean, that's what I'm saying.

01:06:35 ◼   ► It's another attempt for Apple to say,

01:06:37 ◼   ► please create a new social graph on the social network

01:06:39 ◼   ► that we, Apple, are creating and that will totally

01:06:41 ◼   ► be here six months from now.

01:06:42 ◼   ► And people don't want to make a new social graph.

01:06:45 ◼   ► It could get them from Twitter.

01:06:46 ◼   ► It can't really get them from contacts.

01:06:47 ◼   ► You have family, which is used for a lot of things.

01:06:49 ◼   ► But that's not-- you don't want to see what

01:06:50 ◼   ► your family's listening to.

01:06:52 ◼   ► And no one wants to see what I'm listening to.

01:06:54 ◼   ► No, that's a fact.

01:06:56 ◼   ► What does Marko want to do?

01:06:57 ◼   ► Just fish.

01:06:58 ◼   ► Nothing but fish.

01:06:59 ◼   ► All day long.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Hard coded string constant.

01:07:00 ◼   ► Yeah, seriously.

01:07:01 ◼   ► It really could be.

01:07:02 ◼   ► Music Kit so developers will have access to Apple Music

01:07:06 ◼   ► and iCloud library, which is really cool.

01:07:07 ◼   ► - That's pretty cool.

01:07:09 ◼   ► - Maybe I missed something, but Phil was really amped

01:07:13 ◼   ► about the new App Store and I'm really not.

01:07:16 ◼   ► Like I don't care.

01:07:18 ◼   ► (audience laughing)

01:07:19 ◼   ► - We just care if the search works and he didn't demo that,

01:07:21 ◼   ► so we don't know.

01:07:22 ◼   ► I guess if you're an app developer,

01:07:23 ◼   ► it's cool if you get featured, right?

01:07:25 ◼   ► And you have this big thing and your pages look nicer

01:07:28 ◼   ► and there'll be sessions during the week to say,

01:07:30 ◼   ► here's how you can support more stuff.

01:07:31 ◼   ► Like one of them had like a little award,

01:07:33 ◼   ► like this little film, what do you call it?

01:07:36 ◼   ► Film festival thing with the little ivy leaves

01:07:38 ◼   ► or whatever they're supposed to be around.

01:07:39 ◼   ► You can say this is a, someone in the audience said it

01:07:42 ◼   ► but I didn't hear it.

01:07:43 ◼   ► Laurels, there we go, thank you.

01:07:45 ◼   ► There probably is an API to put up the awards

01:07:50 ◼   ► or some sort of thing that your app won

01:07:51 ◼   ► at the top of your page.

01:07:52 ◼   ► - Wait, I can make my own awards and put them there?

01:07:54 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:07:55 ◼   ► - All right, that's gonna quickly become useless

01:07:58 ◼   ► if that's what it is.

01:08:00 ◼   ► And also, by the way, Safari blocks auto-playing video.

01:08:04 ◼   ► But as you scroll through the new App Store app,

01:08:07 ◼   ► it's a little bit of auto-playing video.

01:08:09 ◼   ► And I'm pretty sure Safari's not blocking that one.

01:08:11 ◼   ► I think it'll be fine.

01:08:13 ◼   ► Your prediction was that they would revise the Mac App

01:08:15 ◼   ► Store, which is quite a laugh about that.

01:08:18 ◼   ► That was a long shot.

01:08:19 ◼   ► I said so.

01:08:20 ◼   ► Maybe they did.

01:08:21 ◼   ► I mean, they didn't show a lot of Mac OS.

01:08:22 ◼   ► High Sierra might have a--

01:08:24 ◼   ► Did they show any?

01:08:25 ◼   ► High Sierra?

01:08:26 ◼   ► I can't believe it's called that.

01:08:28 ◼   ► It's so bad, dude.

01:08:29 ◼   ► It's so bad.

01:08:30 ◼   ► - I'm not used to it yet, I don't know if I ever will be.

01:08:32 ◼   ► That's really bad.

01:08:33 ◼   ► - Anyway, I'm glad they revised the App Store app.

01:08:34 ◼   ► It's fine, it looks better than the old one,

01:08:36 ◼   ► and maybe the search will be better.

01:08:38 ◼   ► - And this is the kind of, it's like,

01:08:39 ◼   ► we're not really gonna know how it affects developers

01:08:42 ◼   ► until it's out there, because it's going

01:08:45 ◼   ► to change everything, we know that.

01:08:47 ◼   ► It's gonna change things like click-through rates,

01:08:48 ◼   ► and how effective search is or isn't for us.

01:08:51 ◼   ► It's gonna change purchase rates,

01:08:53 ◼   ► and it's gonna change a lot

01:08:54 ◼   ► because the entire UI is different.

01:08:56 ◼   ► The information density is way lower.

01:08:59 ◼   ► There's way fewer apps on screen at once.

01:09:00 ◼   ► That's gonna be a big effect in some direction.

01:09:03 ◼   ► The value of being featured is probably gonna be way higher

01:09:07 ◼   ► because those are fewer at a time

01:09:10 ◼   ► and there it's like a more in your face feature.

01:09:12 ◼   ► I do really like that they separated out games and apps.

01:09:16 ◼   ► That's really nice for both people,

01:09:19 ◼   ► both types of app makers there

01:09:20 ◼   ► because if you're looking for one,

01:09:22 ◼   ► you're probably not looking for the other at the same time.

01:09:24 ◼   ► So that should help people browsing both places

01:09:26 ◼   ► to have separate charts, separate features,

01:09:29 ◼   ► and not have to worry about seeing the kind of thing

01:09:31 ◼   ► you're not looking for right then.

01:09:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, there were a bunch of other things

01:09:34 ◼   ► that were on the screen of words

01:09:36 ◼   ► where some are white and some are gray.

01:09:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, the word cloud.

01:09:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, the word cloud.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Schedule a call, that's interesting.

01:09:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, a bunch of new resetting ratings.

01:09:44 ◼   ► - Oh, wait, are we moving on from the App Store already?

01:09:46 ◼   ► 'Cause there's one other major feature

01:09:47 ◼   ► for the new App Store app.

01:09:48 ◼   ► Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is new.

01:09:51 ◼   ► In-app purchases are viewable on the App Store

01:09:54 ◼   ► as separately purchasable things.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Like they're in-app purchases that are not in-app.

01:09:59 ◼   ► This seems like a big deal because so the theory goes

01:10:01 ◼   ► that in-app purchases represent a lot of money

01:10:04 ◼   ► and you can only see them if you're in the app.

01:10:07 ◼   ► But now, I presume if you have an app

01:10:10 ◼   ► and the app offers an in-app purchase,

01:10:12 ◼   ► you will see that as a separately purchasable item

01:10:14 ◼   ► in the app store.

01:10:15 ◼   ► That seems like a big way to get more money

01:10:18 ◼   ► for in-app purchases to remind people if they go there,

01:10:20 ◼   ► oh, by the way, that app that you haven't launched

01:10:22 ◼   ► has an in-app purchase and it might bring you back

01:10:24 ◼   ► into the app and make you buy something.

01:10:26 ◼   ► That seems like a big deal to me.

01:10:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, so speed run's still going well.

01:10:30 ◼   ► So speaking of, Core ML, it's a thing, sounds cool.

01:10:34 ◼   ► ARKit, it's a thing, sounds cool.

01:10:36 ◼   ► - Wait, hold on, no, no, no.

01:10:37 ◼   ► That's, we're not gonna do that fast, come on.

01:10:39 ◼   ► - I'm trying, guys, I'm trying.

01:10:42 ◼   ► - No, I mean, this is all, this is one of those,

01:10:44 ◼   ► we can't wait to see what you do with the kind of things,

01:10:45 ◼   ► where that actually makes sense.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Most people can't, off the top of their head,

01:10:48 ◼   ► name a cool app that doesn't yet exist

01:10:51 ◼   ► that this nav makes possible, but there are a lot of them.

01:10:54 ◼   ► And it's the kind of thing where you're gonna have

01:10:55 ◼   ► some idea or you're gonna hear some idea person's awful idea and you're gonna say, "Oh, yeah,

01:11:01 ◼   ► but that would take like a hundred people staff and two hundred million dollars and

01:11:05 ◼   ► it isn't even possible in the API." Wait, it is now possible in the API, now you just

01:11:10 ◼   ► need the two hundred million dollars in the big staff.

01:11:12 ◼   ► Yeah, it'll all work out great.

01:11:13 ◼   ► Well, they had Pokemon Go as a perfect example which was already doing AR a bad job of it,

01:11:18 ◼   ► you know, but not that it's a core part of the game, but they would try to make your

01:11:20 ◼   ► Pokemon look like he's on the sidewalk, he's bouncing all over the place, now he'll be

01:11:23 ◼   ► firmly planted on the sidewalk, I'm sure they will seriously improve Pokémon Go experience.

01:11:27 ◼   ► Hurray. Everyone's still playing that, right? Yeah, totally. I also thought the demo was

01:11:32 ◼   ► really cool and very Firefly-esque, which of course spoke to me. That was pretty exciting.

01:11:37 ◼   ► But no, it does look cool, but I think we should probably skip forward to the iPad.

01:11:42 ◼   ► I guess. And there is a new iPad. So moving on. Just kidding, I'm just kidding. But no,

01:11:49 ◼   ► Interestingly, so the new 10-inch iPad does look really cool,

01:11:53 ◼   ► and the iPad features of iOS 11 did really appeal to me.

01:11:58 ◼   ► And some of the drag and drop stuff,

01:11:59 ◼   ► which we'll get to in a second, looks phenomenal.

01:12:02 ◼   ► The one thing about the 10-inch iPad, though,

01:12:05 ◼   ► is that we had all kind of concluded--

01:12:08 ◼   ► and it was Dan Provost that put this together,

01:12:09 ◼   ► I believe, a few months ago--

01:12:11 ◼   ► that what they would end up doing is making an iPad that

01:12:14 ◼   ► was the same resolution-- if I remember right,

01:12:17 ◼   ► I might be butchering the details here--

01:12:18 ◼   ► butchering the details here.

01:12:19 ◼   ► The same resolution as the 12.9 inch,

01:12:21 ◼   ► whatever it is, iPad Pro.

01:12:22 ◼   ► So you can basically have two iPad Mini side by side,

01:12:25 ◼   ► and that's what this 10 inch will be,

01:12:26 ◼   ► and they will get that by shrinking bezels, John,

01:12:30 ◼   ► shrinking bezels and doing all that sorts of magic.

01:12:32 ◼   ► But it's actually an in-between resolution,

01:12:35 ◼   ► between the 9. whatever inch iPad Pro,