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00:00:00 ◼   ► Fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much funnier person than you would ever expect like you you hear bits of that on the show

00:00:06 ◼   ► But more in a laughing at me way than laughing. No, that's not true. That's not right. You really like

00:00:11 ◼   ► But no really it he is way funnier in person when when not performing as you have as we are all doing that

00:00:24 ◼   ► You're trying to say I'm not funny on the podcast. He's way funnier than he is in this podcast

00:00:29 ◼   ► That's not what I was going for, but if you want—I'm too tired to argue with you, so yes.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Let's start as we have to do with follow-up.

00:00:37 ◼   ► tvOS 11.2 Beta is out.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Tell me about the output format switching, Mr.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Syracuse, if you please. Not only is it out, but I actually got the update.

00:00:49 ◼   ► I don't know what caused me to get it, but I checked for updates, and there it was, and I was very excited.

00:00:53 ◼   ► So I immediately went into that settings screen that lets you say match

00:00:58 ◼   ► Source format frame rate or whatever and then the HDR one is not applied to me. So I couldn't adjust try that one and

00:01:04 ◼   ► then I played a movie and

00:01:07 ◼   ► my television switched to

00:01:10 ◼   ► What it displays as 24 Hertz, but isn't really true because I'm pretty sure it's in some multiple that refresh rate

00:01:17 ◼   ► But anyway, it works. It really really works. Hooray

00:01:20 ◼   ► Of course with the movie I tried it with was a movie I purchased on iTunes

00:01:25 ◼   ► So I was using Apple's built-in movie app, which I assumed would have been updated to use the new API's and I guess it has been

00:01:31 ◼   ► I haven't had time to try it with

00:01:34 ◼   ► Plex and infuse and all the other things because I just assumed they would not have had time to update but I'm just gonna wait until

00:01:40 ◼   ► 11.2 is out and try them as well

00:01:43 ◼   ► So I'm happy about this and I'm one step closer to the probably terrible mistake of

00:01:49 ◼   ► losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays so that I can watch them on demand without touching

00:01:54 ◼   ► a blu-ray disc at full quality. But we'll see how that goes. And one additional note

00:01:58 ◼   ► from this, Joe Rosenstiel has confirmed a while ago and now is in the process of complaining

00:02:04 ◼   ► and filing radars with Apple about the fact that the previous generation Apple TV, the

00:02:09 ◼   ► not 4K Apple TV, doesn't get these features.

00:02:12 ◼   ► Oh, wamp wamp for me.

00:02:14 ◼   ► And also doesn't apparently get a manual 24 frames per second option. And like I said

00:02:18 ◼   ► a couple shows ago, I don't get a manual 24 frames per second option either in earlier

00:02:22 ◼   ► versions of tvOS even though my television supports it.

00:02:26 ◼   ► But anyway, all these features are just for the fancy new Apple TV 4k.

00:02:31 ◼   ► I don't think that's unreasonable.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Well it's the Apple way to do things like why keep supporting the old thing, right?

00:02:37 ◼   ► Although as Todd Vaziri unfortunately found out, they still sell the old one because he

00:02:41 ◼   ► went to, he was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and they didn't have any in stock so he

00:02:44 ◼   ► went to the store and bought one. He got a different size, he wanted to get the big one

00:02:49 ◼   ► I think, but he got the small one, and brought it home only to find that he just purchased

00:02:52 ◼   ► the previous generation Apple TV. Which looks very much the same if you're not very careful

00:02:58 ◼   ► to look at the box and make sure it says Apple TV 4K on it. So that's a shame. And then of

00:03:05 ◼   ► course they continue to sell the other one because it hits a price point, but they're

00:03:07 ◼   ► not going to support it with the latest version. They have CVOS in the same way. Like maybe

00:03:10 ◼   ► this technical reason, I can't really think of one, but it's conceivable that there's

00:03:15 ◼   ► some unknown technical reason why they can't do the switching, but that's crappy.

00:03:20 ◼   ► They also, in the most Tim Cook move ever, didn't even lower the price of the now two-year-old

00:03:24 ◼   ► one, when they brought out the new one.

00:03:26 ◼   ► Well, you know, the currency.

00:03:28 ◼   ► They have it to hit a price point, but it's a very not competitive price point compared

00:03:32 ◼   ► to the rest of the industry.

00:03:33 ◼   ► Suddenly it looks good, it's anchoring, the anchoring effect of the new, more expensive

00:03:36 ◼   ► one.

00:03:37 ◼   ► Plus you've got inflation, right?

00:03:38 ◼   ► So it was a long time ago, so money's worth less now.

00:03:42 ◼   ► Ah, Apple.

00:03:43 ◼   ► All right, and then tell me about APFS snapshots as used by Time Machine and Software Update,

00:03:49 ◼   ► if you please.

00:03:50 ◼   ► There were a couple of articles about this, but eventually they could all be traced back

00:03:54 ◼   ► to a handy TechNote thing on Apple's own site to explain how the cool APFS snapshots

00:04:01 ◼   ► are being used by Apple's software, at the very least.

00:04:06 ◼   ► So Time Machine is using them.

00:04:08 ◼   ► I'm assuming, I don't know if this article says it,

00:04:11 ◼   ► but I'm assuming the obvious thing to do is take a snapshot

00:04:13 ◼   ► and then do a Time Machine backup from that snapshot.

00:04:15 ◼   ► So you don't get the weird thing that you used to get

00:04:18 ◼   ► where a Time Machine backups takes a half an hour to run

00:04:22 ◼   ► and files that are copied to the beginning of the backup

00:04:25 ◼   ► are 30 minutes newer than files that are copied at the end.

00:04:28 ◼   ► And you sort of get this weird image of the disc

00:04:29 ◼   ► that is like, it's like a rolling shutter on a phone, right?

00:04:32 ◼   ► It's like a rolling backup, like I'll start backing up.

00:04:35 ◼   ► And while I'm backing up,

00:04:36 ◼   ► you're continuing to use your computer.

00:04:37 ◼   ► But if I already backed up the file you modified,

00:04:39 ◼   ► I'll get it in the next backup.

00:04:40 ◼   ► It's weird.

00:04:41 ◼   ► Snapshots, you don't have to do that.

00:04:42 ◼   ► You can say point in time snapshot.

00:04:45 ◼   ► That's what I'm gonna back up from.

00:04:46 ◼   ► That's exactly what this disk looks like

00:04:47 ◼   ► at a particular point in time.

00:04:49 ◼   ► And it will back up from that.

00:04:50 ◼   ► But additionally, Time Machine takes snapshots

00:04:53 ◼   ► every 24 hours while your computer is turned on.

00:04:56 ◼   ► And it takes a snapshot every week as well.

00:04:59 ◼   ► And remember snapshots are just like a point in time

00:05:02 ◼   ► on your disk.

00:05:03 ◼   ► It's not a backup to your time machine volume.

00:05:05 ◼   ► It's just snapshots of your regular disk as it was.

00:05:08 ◼   ► And those are convenient for like, let me,

00:05:12 ◼   ► you can run time machine,

00:05:14 ◼   ► even if you've never had your time machine disk,

00:05:15 ◼   ► like your external time machine disk,

00:05:17 ◼   ► attached to your computer for a long time,

00:05:19 ◼   ► you can still use time machine to recover things

00:05:22 ◼   ► from the local disk that were part of those snapshots.

00:05:25 ◼   ► And I heard some report of someone saying,

00:05:28 ◼   ► I deleted a bunch of stuff

00:05:29 ◼   ► and my free disk space didn't go down.

00:05:31 ◼   ► It really depends on how they were checking

00:05:32 ◼   ► their free disk space because if you were checking it at the lowest level, that would

00:05:35 ◼   ► be true because if you make a snapshot and that snapshot includes like a 4 gig file,

00:05:40 ◼   ► then you delete that 4 gig file, you don't get that space back because that snapshot

00:05:45 ◼   ► is still holding onto those 4 gigs so that you could, if you wanted to, recover that

00:05:49 ◼   ► file from the snapshot or whatever with Time Machine.

00:05:51 ◼   ► So that's a case where if you were getting your disk, free disk space at the lowest level,

00:05:55 ◼   ► you would see that I deleted this file, why didn't I get the free space back?

00:05:58 ◼   ► But this TechNote has a thing at the end that says basically,

00:06:02 ◼   ► are you worried about these snapshots

00:06:04 ◼   ► eating all your disk space?

00:06:05 ◼   ► Don't worry, because if we, the operating system, need--

00:06:08 ◼   ► storage space gets low, which is what the TechNote says,

00:06:11 ◼   ► snapshots are automatically deleted

00:06:13 ◼   ► starting with the oldest.

00:06:14 ◼   ► And I'm quoting directly from the document now.

00:06:16 ◼   ► That's why Finder and GetInfoWindows

00:06:18 ◼   ► don't include local snapshots in their calculations

00:06:20 ◼   ► of the storage space available on disk.

00:06:22 ◼   ► So yet another complication, as foretold in many past episodes

00:06:25 ◼   ► of how APFS was going to make it much more complicated

00:06:27 ◼   ► to even display things like free space,

00:06:30 ◼   ► having to do a bunch of math and subtract out the space

00:06:34 ◼   ► taken by snapshots and all that other stuff.

00:06:36 ◼   ► So they just lie to you and say,

00:06:37 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, no, we freed up that space."

00:06:39 ◼   ► But they didn't, they didn't free it up.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Unless you need more disk space,

00:06:43 ◼   ► unless you really, really need it,

00:06:45 ◼   ► it won't delete the snapshots.

00:06:46 ◼   ► And deleting snapshots is easy,

00:06:47 ◼   ► it's not like it has to delete a bunch of files

00:06:48 ◼   ► that just says, "Okay, forget about that snapshot,

00:06:50 ◼   ► all those disks, all those blocks

00:06:52 ◼   ► that were a part of that snapshot

00:06:53 ◼   ► that are not part of any other snapshot are now free."

00:06:55 ◼   ► So it's the magic of APFS.

00:06:57 ◼   ► And my final note on this tech note, which I think everyone should read, is it is forced

00:07:02 ◼   ► to explain the horrendous UI of Time Machine, specifically the weird timeline scroll-y thing

00:07:11 ◼   ► on the right, with like a little zoomy timeline.

00:07:15 ◼   ► Some poor tech writer had to write out, "If you have one of these versions of the operating

00:07:20 ◼   ► systems, a bright red tick mark means this.

00:07:23 ◼   ► A dimmed red tick mark means that.

00:07:25 ◼   ► If you have a different version of the operating system, a gray tick mark means this, a bright

00:07:28 ◼   ► pink tick mark means this, and a dimmed pink tick mark means this.

00:07:34 ◼   ► These colors are very similar to each other.

00:07:36 ◼   ► I would never have guessed all this stuff, how you use the interface many, many times.

00:07:40 ◼   ► And there's not a lot of text.

00:07:41 ◼   ► It's like time machine, good technology, even though they got rid of the swirling vortex,

00:07:46 ◼   ► which I would argue is the best part of this interface, they got rid of that, right?

00:07:49 ◼   ► So it's not like completely frivolous.

00:07:50 ◼   ► But the rest of the UI is not great.

00:07:53 ◼   ► I don't know what these colors mean.

00:07:55 ◼   ► I've read this tech note.

00:07:56 ◼   ► I'm never gonna remember this.

00:07:57 ◼   ► I don't know what dimmed pink means.

00:07:59 ◼   ► What is bright pink and dimmed pink?

00:08:01 ◼   ► If you only have dimmed pink,

00:08:03 ◼   ► how can you tell it's dimmed pink and it's not bright pink

00:08:05 ◼   ► unless you have a bright pink to compare it to?

00:08:07 ◼   ► This is a bad interface.

00:08:09 ◼   ► Apple, please work on this.

00:08:11 ◼   ► - Oh, wow.

00:08:12 ◼   ► - How do you really feel, Jon?

00:08:13 ◼   ► Just don't hold back this time.

00:08:15 ◼   ► - I mean, this is like Time Machine

00:08:16 ◼   ► is just one of the many things that like,

00:08:19 ◼   ► as we have gotten the transition of the whole world

00:08:22 ◼   ► and all of Apple's focus to iOS.

00:08:25 ◼   ► It's one of the many things on macOS I look at,

00:08:27 ◼   ► and I'm just kind of sad that if macOS was still getting

00:08:31 ◼   ► seemingly meaningful effort put into it,

00:08:36 ◼   ► this could be so much more by now.

00:08:38 ◼   ► This could be so much better,

00:08:40 ◼   ► but it just seems like most of macOS is

00:08:42 ◼   ► not only in maintenance mode,

00:08:43 ◼   ► but seems to have the B team working on it,

00:08:46 ◼   ► and it just makes me sad.

00:08:48 ◼   ► - And it's a little bit buggy, too.

00:08:49 ◼   ► I spend time in the interface trying to find things,

00:08:51 ◼   ► And sometimes it does weird stuff and you just shake my head and try it for a second

00:08:55 ◼   ► time and it usually works a second time.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Who knows why it didn't work the first.

00:08:59 ◼   ► Like there's a lot of cool tech under there and you could build lots of interesting UIs

00:09:02 ◼   ► on top of it.

00:09:03 ◼   ► And the initial UI was fun and cool and interesting and had good ideas behind it and simplified

00:09:06 ◼   ► it.

00:09:07 ◼   ► But the way it's evolved or rather hasn't evolved is kind of depressing.

00:09:11 ◼   ► One more minor part in this, they do take snapshots before software updates as well.

00:09:15 ◼   ► I don't know if they do anything with that.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Like I don't know if there's any actual feature that says you don't like the software update you did. Don't worry

00:09:22 ◼   ► We took a whole snapshot of your disk and you can roll back to it right now

00:09:26 ◼   ► I don't think there's any UI to that, but if third-party tools

00:09:30 ◼   ► Have enough access to snapshots they could offer that option just by listing all your snapshots and same thing with time machine

00:09:36 ◼   ► There was a backup program. I don't know if it's still in development called backup loop. That was like hey time machine is cool

00:09:42 ◼   ► Why don't we make a cool powerful UI on top of it for?

00:09:46 ◼   ► People who want to nerd out a little bit more than is possible with the default UI

00:09:50 ◼   ► And that's the fun type of stuff. That's a third-party opportunity, but also at this point the built-in one should be better, too

00:09:56 ◼   ► I don't know. I I don't mind time machine, but I think it's because I'm almost never in time machine

00:10:01 ◼   ► So it doesn't have I don't have to deal with the chromium UI very often, but did you know about the dimmed red?

00:10:06 ◼   ► No, and the bright pink. No, you didn't know no I didn't but now I know and knowing is half the battle

00:10:12 ◼   ► - You don't know, that's the whole thing.

00:10:14 ◼   ► You didn't read this document, and even if you read it,

00:10:16 ◼   ► it will just bounce off your brain.

00:10:18 ◼   ► There is no way anybody will remember this.

00:10:21 ◼   ► - Fair enough.

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00:14:11 ◼   ► - So let's talk about Ask ATP.

00:14:15 ◼   ► Nathan Walls writes in,

00:14:17 ◼   ► "Now that you have iPhones 10 in hand,"

00:14:19 ◼   ► is it iPhones 10?

00:14:21 ◼   ► I know that's the way they usually do it, God.

00:14:22 ◼   ► - No, it's iPhone 10S.

00:14:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I just know that the Apple guidance is always so bananas.

00:14:29 ◼   ► Anyway, now that you have iPhones 10 in hand, are you using or wanting to use a case with

00:14:32 ◼   ► it?

00:14:33 ◼   ► Which cases are you using?

00:14:34 ◼   ► Thanks.

00:14:35 ◼   ► I'll start off, if you recall, my iPhone 7 was the first phone in a long time that I

00:14:40 ◼   ► had naked, and I paid the price because I dropped it on the pavement and shattered my

00:14:45 ◼   ► first screen.

00:14:46 ◼   ► Luckily, I had AppleCare, and so that was taken care of.

00:14:50 ◼   ► And then I quickly scratched the screen within about two weeks of getting it replaced, which

00:14:53 ◼   ► is delightful.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Anyway, for the iPhone X, it's apparently,

00:14:59 ◼   ► I don't recall if we talked about this last episode,

00:15:00 ◼   ► but it's like $200 or something like that

00:15:02 ◼   ► to do a front screen replacement,

00:15:06 ◼   ► and something like $500 to do a back glass replacement.

00:15:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, something like that. - We did talk about it.

00:15:12 ◼   ► You're very tired, I can tell.

00:15:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, I am. - That's all right.

00:15:15 ◼   ► - I am dying.

00:15:16 ◼   ► But anyway, so the point is that it's extremely expensive

00:15:18 ◼   ► to replace anything on this phone.

00:15:20 ◼   ► I personally have not ordered AppleCare for my phone.

00:15:23 ◼   ► I've been debating it, and I don't think I will, which we can play this clip when I inevitably

00:15:28 ◼   ► break this phone in a few months, but I have put the official Apple leather case on it.

00:15:33 ◼   ► I do quite like the official Apple leather cases.

00:15:37 ◼   ► However, the thing that bothers me about most cases, including the Apple leather case, is

00:15:43 ◼   ► that it makes doing gestures from the edge of the screen considerably more difficult,

00:15:47 ◼   ► and that bums me out.

00:15:49 ◼   ► But otherwise, it's a nice case.

00:15:50 ◼   ► It's expensive.

00:15:51 ◼   ► It's like 50 bucks, but it's a nice case.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Marco, what do you got going on?

00:15:55 ◼   ► - I am also caseless.

00:15:57 ◼   ► That's almost caseless.

00:16:00 ◼   ► I bet you have thought of that many times.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:16:03 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm also going caseless.

00:16:05 ◼   ► I too was cased only with the 6 and 6S,

00:16:09 ◼   ► not before or after.

00:16:12 ◼   ► The 7 I got in jet black 'cause it was grippy

00:16:14 ◼   ► and I love that.

00:16:15 ◼   ► The 10 is, with the glass back and the smooth metal sides,

00:16:21 ◼   ► I would say overall, so far, it does not seem as grippy as the iPhone 7, but it's not as

00:16:27 ◼   ► slippery as the 6 and 6s, so I'm a little...

00:16:30 ◼   ► - Well, slow down, though, slow down, though.

00:16:31 ◼   ► It is way grippier than my beautiful but bar of soap matte black, or whatever they called

00:16:38 ◼   ► it.

00:16:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:16:40 ◼   ► - iPhone 7.

00:16:41 ◼   ► - Just black.

00:16:42 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, whatever it was called.

00:16:43 ◼   ► But the jet black is obviously a whole different animal.

00:16:45 ◼   ► I'm not trying to argue that, but if you happen to be coming from a matte black iPhone or

00:16:51 ◼   ► whatever the equivalent was,

00:16:53 ◼   ► that I would say that the iPhone X

00:16:55 ◼   ► is considerably more grippy than that,

00:16:58 ◼   ► but it sounds like you're saying, Marco,

00:16:59 ◼   ► it is less grippy than the Jet Black.

00:17:01 ◼   ► - That's what it feels like so far.

00:17:03 ◼   ► You know, it could just be 'cause like it's new

00:17:06 ◼   ► and doesn't have all my hand oil on it

00:17:07 ◼   ► from a year worth of hand oil,

00:17:09 ◼   ► which is really gross, but that's how it works.

00:17:11 ◼   ► It could be that, you know,

00:17:13 ◼   ► but compared to the Jet Black, it is not as grippy,

00:17:15 ◼   ► and it could also be that like while the glass

00:17:17 ◼   ► is kind of grippy, the sides are now just regular metal

00:17:21 ◼   ► again and so they're not. So it could be that I don't know. I

00:17:25 ◼   ► have considered looking into some kind of like film or

00:17:30 ◼   ► maybe like a little stick on like leather thing just for

00:17:34 ◼   ► the back of it with not even the sides like they may you

00:17:36 ◼   ► know they make just like kind of single panel decals or

00:17:39 ◼   ► stickers or protectors for phones generally. So I was

00:17:42 ◼   ► thinking about doing that just to make the back a little bit

00:17:44 ◼   ► for a small amount of protection.

00:17:46 ◼   ► I too did not get AppleCare as I explained last week.

00:17:50 ◼   ► So I figure, you know, I'll see how it goes.

00:17:54 ◼   ► If I drop it, everyone can make fun of me

00:17:56 ◼   ► and maybe I'll start spending $200 a year

00:17:59 ◼   ► on AppleCare from that point forward.

00:18:01 ◼   ► But, right, but until I start dropping my phones,

00:18:04 ◼   ► I'm coming out ahead by not doing that.

00:18:07 ◼   ► - You're still doing your math wrong.

00:18:09 ◼   ► You have to drop your phone enough times

00:18:11 ◼   ► to equal all the $200, all the money you would have paid

00:18:14 ◼   ► for all your phones.

00:18:15 ◼   ► It's not $200 for each one 'cause it used to be cheaper,

00:18:17 ◼   ► but you have to add up all that money,

00:18:18 ◼   ► and then if you wanna try to balance the scales,

00:18:21 ◼   ► you should really only start buying AppleCare

00:18:22 ◼   ► after you match that amount.

00:18:24 ◼   ► - Right, exactly, and so far I haven't had to do that yet.

00:18:27 ◼   ► And yeah, I would have to pay full price

00:18:30 ◼   ► for a lot of replacements to make my policy

00:18:32 ◼   ► worth reconsidering.

00:18:33 ◼   ► And also, cases are also part of that too.

00:18:36 ◼   ► Cases are 50 bucks at least for a decent one

00:18:39 ◼   ► from Apple or something, or a decent one from anybody else.

00:18:42 ◼   ► You're generally looking at around that price range.

00:18:44 ◼   ► So this stuff that you're paying

00:18:47 ◼   ► for all these protective things,

00:18:49 ◼   ► but you're paying a lot for that protection.

00:18:51 ◼   ► And so you really have to be breaking things

00:18:54 ◼   ► on a regular basis to make you come out ahead with that.

00:18:56 ◼   ► So anyway, I am caseless, you are caseless.

00:19:00 ◼   ► You are also caseless. (laughs)

00:19:05 ◼   ► - Well, no, no, I'm not caseless this time.

00:19:07 ◼   ► I was caseless. - Oh, that's right.

00:19:08 ◼   ► I'm rocking the black leather this time.

00:19:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, so how is it?

00:19:12 ◼   ► - It's like every other black leather case I've had.

00:19:15 ◼   ► I mean, I like it, it's very nice, but--

00:19:16 ◼   ► - Like about the same one that they've been making

00:19:18 ◼   ► since the six, basically?

00:19:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, absolutely right.

00:19:20 ◼   ► - That one was fun.

00:19:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, and I choose black because when it wears,

00:19:25 ◼   ► it doesn't really look any different.

00:19:27 ◼   ► I know there's a lot of people that like,

00:19:29 ◼   ► what is it, like saddle brown or whatever,

00:19:31 ◼   ► and once it gets worn, it kinda gets that,

00:19:35 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know how to describe it.

00:19:37 ◼   ► It's not really patina, but it has that like look to it.

00:19:39 ◼   ► And I know a lot of people that really like that.

00:19:41 ◼   ► That's not really my cup of tea.

00:19:43 ◼   ► And I personally like a very quiet case

00:19:46 ◼   ► in the sense of visually quiet.

00:19:48 ◼   ► So I've always had black leather cases.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Mike Hurley is apparently,

00:19:52 ◼   ► I don't know if he's received it at this point,

00:19:53 ◼   ► but was looking into getting a bumper,

00:19:55 ◼   ► which actually sounded really interesting to me.

00:19:57 ◼   ► I don't think it would be what I would choose

00:19:59 ◼   ► because that, especially that back glass,

00:20:01 ◼   ► if you shatter that, oof, that's a bad day.

00:20:03 ◼   ► So I'm gonna stick with the black leather case

00:20:06 ◼   ► and we'll see how that goes.

00:20:09 ◼   ► - The other thing with any kind of case and bumper

00:20:11 ◼   ► is that it does interfere with the side gestures.

00:20:15 ◼   ► And even though, once you get one,

00:20:17 ◼   ► like I used my 6 and 6S the entire time I had them

00:20:20 ◼   ► with Apple's other case, and you do get used to it,

00:20:24 ◼   ► but it does make the swipe in from the side gesture

00:20:27 ◼   ► a little harder to do,

00:20:29 ◼   ► and it gives you a little less room to do it.

00:20:30 ◼   ► And also it just collects dust around that edge

00:20:32 ◼   ► and everything, I don't know,

00:20:34 ◼   ► I prefer not to use a case unless I really have to

00:20:36 ◼   ► or unless I feel like I really have to.

00:20:37 ◼   ► And so far with the 10, I don't think I'll need it.

00:20:41 ◼   ► The only thing that makes me nervous

00:20:43 ◼   ► is just how expensive it is to repair

00:20:45 ◼   ► and that it is a new size

00:20:47 ◼   ► that I'm still getting used to holding and using.

00:20:49 ◼   ► So, and we'll get to that later on in the show a little bit.

00:20:51 ◼   ► But so far, I think I'm gonna probably stay

00:20:55 ◼   ► either caseless or with some kind of minimal

00:20:58 ◼   ► like stick-on decal thing on the back

00:21:00 ◼   ► just to increase grip.

00:21:02 ◼   ► - All right, moving on.

00:21:03 ◼   ► you do not have an iPhone X in hand, is that correct?

00:21:05 ◼   ► I thought you were going to move on like last week where Marco edited out the part where

00:21:08 ◼   ► I said whether or not I got AppleCare+.

00:21:10 ◼   ► Wow.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Just move right on, yes.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Let's talk about the iPhone Xs, Marco and Casey get to stuff.

00:21:17 ◼   ► It was all about your wife, it wasn't even about yours.

00:21:19 ◼   ► So it wasn't, you know.

00:21:21 ◼   ► That's the iPhone X we're talking about, it's the only one I have, I didn't get one.

00:21:25 ◼   ► Anyway, to reiterate, we got AppleCare+ because my wife drops her phone, she dropped her previous

00:21:30 ◼   ► one twice.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Also on the leather case, the leather case for the 7 is way better than the leather case

00:21:35 ◼   ► for the 6 was.

00:21:37 ◼   ► Because they changed to like metal volume buttons that poke out through, whereas the

00:21:41 ◼   ► 6 had like these lumps in the leather.

00:21:42 ◼   ► I don't know what the leather case for the 10 is, but I can tell you that the leather

00:21:46 ◼   ► case for the 7 is a big upgrade over the 6 for all the buttons.

00:21:49 ◼   ► And I heard people saying they really liked the leather case for the 10 that it had like

00:21:53 ◼   ► aluminum buttons or whatever.

00:21:55 ◼   ► Same thing with the 7 case, and that is much much better than the lumps.

00:21:59 ◼   ► As for cases, I've always used a case on all of my iOS things.

00:22:03 ◼   ► Whoa, whoa, whoa, you've used a case and?

00:22:07 ◼   ► And what?

00:22:08 ◼   ► And whatever I saw, you had like a little baggie that you would put your phone in as

00:22:12 ◼   ► well.

00:22:13 ◼   ► Oh yeah, no, I do have that as well.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Oh, you had a little pouch.

00:22:15 ◼   ► Yep.

00:22:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I use the pouch mostly, I mean, I don't know why I started using it.

00:22:18 ◼   ► I think I got it from my iPod touches.

00:22:20 ◼   ► Mostly just so I can shove it in my pocket without worrying about anything hitting the

00:22:23 ◼   ► screen and also it basically cleans the screen every time I do that.

00:22:28 ◼   ► Around the house I don't use it, obviously, right?

00:22:29 ◼   ► It's only when I'm going out or when it's in my pocket.

00:22:33 ◼   ► Most of the reason I'm getting the cases is for hand grip and for surface grip.

00:22:38 ◼   ► But in the modern era, I think the main reason I probably will never go without a case despite

00:22:43 ◼   ► everything Marco said about gestures, which is true, is because it evens out the camera

00:22:48 ◼   ► bump.

00:22:49 ◼   ► And that is super true on the X, as we will talk about.

00:22:52 ◼   ► So yes, I'm using a case on my iPhone 7.

00:22:55 ◼   ► My wife got silicone cases for her iPhone X,

00:22:59 ◼   ► and because she is impatient and loves different colors,

00:23:01 ◼   ► she got two of them just like she did.

00:23:03 ◼   ► But I think maybe she got three for a 6S Plus.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Anyway, silicone case looks good.

00:23:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, actually, the leveling out the camera bump

00:23:10 ◼   ► is a real thing, and that's another reason,

00:23:12 ◼   ► 'cause the camera bump on the 6 is noticeably larger,

00:23:16 ◼   ► I think, than the previous ones,

00:23:17 ◼   ► and so for the first time, I'm actually interested

00:23:20 ◼   ► in leveling out the camera bump where I didn't care before.

00:23:23 ◼   ► All right, so we have our next to ask ATP from Kapila Wimalaratne.

00:23:27 ◼   ► Hopefully I got that right.

00:23:28 ◼   ► "Do you think Siri lagging behind Google Assistant will eventually hurt iPhone sales?"

00:23:33 ◼   ► And this individual says, "I'm currently very tempted by the Pixel 2."

00:23:37 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:23:39 ◼   ► It's an interesting question.

00:23:40 ◼   ► I can tell you that I've gone through—I feel like my feelings about Siri go through

00:23:46 ◼   ► kind of a sine wave, where the peak of the sine wave is like begrudgingly accepting how

00:23:52 ◼   ► bad Siri is, and right now I'm in a valley because I friggin' hate Siri and I feel like

00:23:56 ◼   ► it's constantly giving me wrong data or not understanding what I'm trying to tell it.

00:24:01 ◼   ► But I don't have an Alexa in the house, I don't have a Google Home in the house, I don't

00:24:05 ◼   ► really ever use any Android or Amazon devices, so I don't really know what I'm missing. And

00:24:10 ◼   ► because of that, for me, I mean, obviously I'm all in on Apple anyway, but I don't think

00:24:16 ◼   ► for me and people who don't have like these multicultural households, if you will, in

00:24:22 ◼   ► terms of, you know, assistance, I don't know that anyone really realizes how crappy Siri

00:24:28 ◼   ► is, including myself, but I'm curious to hear for like you guys that have multiple, you

00:24:34 ◼   ► know, talking tubes in the house, do you think that this is a much bigger risk?

00:24:39 ◼   ► For me, it depends on what you're using it for.

00:24:44 ◼   ► For me, Siri is just one part of why I choose Apple products

00:24:49 ◼   ► and why I love the iPhone so much

00:24:52 ◼   ► and why I use the iPhone over other phones.

00:24:56 ◼   ► I think Siri not being as good as it should be

00:24:59 ◼   ► is a real problem, but it's a real problem

00:25:01 ◼   ► that is of different degrees of severity

00:25:04 ◼   ► depending on the product you're talking about.

00:25:06 ◼   ► So for something like the HomePod,

00:25:08 ◼   ► That's a big problem.

00:25:09 ◼   ► If Siri is not somehow miraculously way better

00:25:14 ◼   ► and way more consistent and way less sassy

00:25:16 ◼   ► and way less personality on the HomePod

00:25:19 ◼   ► than it is everywhere else right now,

00:25:21 ◼   ► then the HomePod's gonna be, I think,

00:25:23 ◼   ► really annoying to use in practice.

00:25:25 ◼   ► Because when that's the only interface

00:25:27 ◼   ► you have to something, it really has to be

00:25:30 ◼   ► good and consistent and smart

00:25:33 ◼   ► and it has to do the right thing every time.

00:25:36 ◼   ► And that's what the Amazon Echo does.

00:25:39 ◼   ► Like, the Echo's really, really good.

00:25:42 ◼   ► It's really consistent.

00:25:44 ◼   ► It hardly ever fails.

00:25:46 ◼   ► And when it does fail, it doesn't do so

00:25:48 ◼   ► with a cutesy response where it's trying to be funny

00:25:51 ◼   ► that really just makes you wanna set the world on fire.

00:25:54 ◼   ► Siri, in that kind of context,

00:25:57 ◼   ► is gonna be a problem, I think.

00:26:00 ◼   ► But, you know, for my phone,

00:26:01 ◼   ► the other reasons I choose the iPhone

00:26:05 ◼   ► are so much greater than the variance between Siri

00:26:09 ◼   ► and the other voice assistants,

00:26:12 ◼   ► that the other reasons will always overpower that difference.

00:26:15 ◼   ► Even if the iPhone didn't have Siri at all,

00:26:18 ◼   ► even if it did not have any voice interface at all,

00:26:22 ◼   ► I would still choose the iPhone over anything else,

00:26:25 ◼   ► just because the rest of it is so compelling

00:26:27 ◼   ► compared to that.

00:26:27 ◼   ► Now, other people might have different responses to that,

00:26:29 ◼   ► but for me, and I think for a lot of people,

00:26:32 ◼   ► I think the voice features are really secondary

00:26:37 ◼   ► and they're convenience features on a phone.

00:26:39 ◼   ► Most of what you do on a phone is not

00:26:41 ◼   ► through that voice interface for most people.

00:26:43 ◼   ► So, again, your use case may vary,

00:26:46 ◼   ► but for me, I want Siri to be better for lots of reasons,

00:26:51 ◼   ► and I think it needs to be better for lots of reasons,

00:26:55 ◼   ► but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales

00:26:57 ◼   ► in a meaningful way if it's not.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So you missed the key booby trap in this question here, which is the word "eventually." Yes,

00:27:06 ◼   ► that's right, it's everybody's favorite.

00:27:07 ◼   ► On an infinite timescale? We need like an infinite timescale horn or something.

00:27:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:13 ◼   ► A gong.

00:27:14 ◼   ► Do you think Siri lagging behind Google Assistant will eventually hurt iPhone sales? So there's

00:27:18 ◼   ► two aspects to this and the reason I picked this question.

00:27:20 ◼   ► I wonder if I can fit a gong in my office. I have the bell up here. The bell is nice

00:27:24 ◼   ► and small. A gong is not small.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Infinite timescale gong.

00:27:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:28 ◼   ► get a little desk gong, but I mean, if you're going to get a gong, get a real one, you know,

00:27:31 ◼   ► get like the one like on the floor stand, you know.

00:27:34 ◼   ► Your accessories need to be under control here. So the eventually part of this, if voice

00:27:41 ◼   ► assistants become more and more important on phones and Siri continues to lag behind

00:27:49 ◼   ► Google Assistant, then I think your calculus might change, Marco. If everyone else is talking

00:27:53 ◼   ► to the phones constantly and get an awesome response from it and it's like the most convenient

00:27:56 ◼   ► way to do a whole bunch of things, but Siri continues to lag behind.

00:28:01 ◼   ► That may change your calculus on exactly how important you feel it is.

00:28:04 ◼   ► Not that it's going to make you buy an Android phone or whatever.

00:28:06 ◼   ► But the other angle on this is that Google Assistant is available on iOS.

00:28:10 ◼   ► The only difference is that Apple privileges Siri to be the one with the good system integration.

00:28:15 ◼   ► So Apple's ultimate out, if it can never get Siri to be as good as Google Assistant, and

00:28:21 ◼   ► if voice assistants on phones become much more important than they are today, Apple

00:28:26 ◼   ► always has the ability to say, assuming Google deigns to continue to be on iOS, which I assume

00:28:32 ◼   ► they will because if they're on now and they have 80% market share, I don't see why they

00:28:35 ◼   ► wouldn't be forever, is, "Okay, we will just make APIs so that any voice assistant has

00:28:42 ◼   ► the same kind of integration that Siri does, and then voila, your iPhone has just as good

00:28:46 ◼   ► a voice assistant as Google because it's the same voice assistant."

00:28:49 ◼   ► That would be kind of a failure scenario and show that they couldn't hack it with Siri,

00:28:53 ◼   ► But I think it is likely that voice assistants will become more important on phones than

00:28:59 ◼   ► they are today.

00:29:00 ◼   ► I'm not sure how far it'll go, but certainly it'll become more important.

00:29:03 ◼   ► And more important, and to Casey's point about us having cylinders in the house, I continue

00:29:07 ◼   ► to have really good customer stat, as Tim would say, for my silly Google cylinder that

00:29:13 ◼   ► mostly I ignore the existence of.

00:29:15 ◼   ► But every once in a while, in addition to asking you to set timers and do math for me,

00:29:19 ◼   ► right, I will yell from three rooms away.

00:29:22 ◼   ► even yell just like this is the most recent thing where I was blown away with

00:29:26 ◼   ► it like I'm in my TV room but just like two rooms away it's like kind of on the

00:29:30 ◼   ► other side of the house but on the same floor and we were having debate about

00:29:34 ◼   ► the ages of actors on a show we were watching and I just asked to the air in

00:29:39 ◼   ► a slightly louder voice than normal but not screaming you know name of actor how

00:29:44 ◼   ► old how is this actor and how was that actor it gave me the answers like it

00:29:48 ◼   ► didn't say I can't find it a person by that name or it didn't misspelled or

00:29:52 ◼   ► mistranslated because it's powered by Google and Google is the ultimate engine

00:29:56 ◼   ► for typing a bunch of characters that you think might approximate the spelling

00:30:00 ◼   ► of a celebrity's name and because they're a celebrity it goes "I think I

00:30:03 ◼   ► know who you meant even though you got that name totally wrong" and it works

00:30:06 ◼   ► over voice too. That's not a very, you know, amazing thing to do but if I had

00:30:12 ◼   ► taken out my phone and asked Siri to do it or asked the HomePod I can just

00:30:15 ◼   ► imagine it picking a name for my contacts that sounds like the celebrity

00:30:20 ◼   ► name and giving me their age or saying there's no birthday information or saying it couldn't

00:30:23 ◼   ► provide that information. So I think the lead is real and I think it will eventually be

00:30:29 ◼   ► a problem for Apple, but I think Apple has the ability to turn back the clock to 2007

00:30:33 ◼   ► and say, "Google powers all of our cool cloud stuff because they're great at that,

00:30:36 ◼   ► and we make the hardware in the OS," which would be bad as far as Apple's concerned,

00:30:40 ◼   ► but it's always there as an out.

00:30:42 ◼   ► David Schiesser The other thing I would say, though, is like

00:30:44 ◼   ► in the context of phone sales, which is what the question was really about, we've had

00:30:49 ◼   ► voice input on laptops now for a while, but it hasn't really resulted in people talking

00:30:54 ◼   ► to their laptops very often. The primary way that people interact with their laptops by

00:31:00 ◼   ► far is still typing and looking at things on the screen.

00:31:04 ◼   ► My mom talks to her laptop a lot more than you would think. I think there is a kind of

00:31:10 ◼   ► a divide of traditional computer users and people for whom even crappy voice is better

00:31:17 ◼   ► than mouse and keyboard. It's not widespread, you're right, most people don't talk to their

00:31:20 ◼   ► computers, but if voice assistants become better, I feel like that could start to change

00:31:24 ◼   ► too.

00:31:25 ◼   ► - Well yeah, but I'm saying like it's, we've had it now for a while and it's still, while

00:31:29 ◼   ► some people do it, it still is not the primary way most people interact with it. And phones,

00:31:36 ◼   ► we've now had voice assistants on phones for one day longer than Steve Jobs has been gone.

00:31:42 ◼   ► So it's a while now, and they still have not become

00:31:47 ◼   ► the primary interface for interacting with phones.

00:31:50 ◼   ► And I feel like every form factor of computing device,

00:31:55 ◼   ► you know, they become compelling, they become useful

00:31:57 ◼   ► and popular to be used in certain ways,

00:32:00 ◼   ► and you know, the laptop is established as like

00:32:03 ◼   ► the mainstream PC thing, and there's a way you use a laptop.

00:32:06 ◼   ► It's with a keyboard and a trackpad,

00:32:08 ◼   ► and that's been established for some time,

00:32:10 ◼   ► and nothing's really going to change

00:32:11 ◼   ► meaningfully probably.

00:32:13 ◼   ► A phone has been established to be a screen

00:32:17 ◼   ► that's handheld or approximately handheld

00:32:20 ◼   ► that you can touch with your finger

00:32:22 ◼   ► and do multi-touch gestures and type on the glass

00:32:25 ◼   ► and everything and have that be the primary interface.

00:32:28 ◼   ► You can do other things with them.

00:32:29 ◼   ► You can control it by voice.

00:32:30 ◼   ► You can do other methods with these things,

00:32:33 ◼   ► but those have been the primary interfaces.

00:32:34 ◼   ► And over time, we really haven't seen anything to suggest

00:32:38 ◼   ► that these basic form factor categories

00:32:42 ◼   ► and the way you interact with them

00:32:44 ◼   ► really meaningfully changes,

00:32:46 ◼   ► or dramatically changes over time.

00:32:49 ◼   ► You know, a laptop that you buy today,

00:32:51 ◼   ► while the keyboard sucks and it has no ports,

00:32:53 ◼   ► is roughly the same proportions and form factor

00:32:56 ◼   ► as laptops we had 15 years ago, it's just better.

00:32:59 ◼   ► You know, but it's the same general thing,

00:33:01 ◼   ► the same approximate size, the same approximate,

00:33:04 ◼   ► you know, class of device,

00:33:06 ◼   ► and you interact with it roughly the same way.

00:33:09 ◼   ► So a phone, over time, if you think about,

00:33:11 ◼   ► even on your infinite timescale argument,

00:33:13 ◼   ► phones might be replaced by something else down the road.

00:33:17 ◼   ► Eventually they probably will.

00:33:19 ◼   ► They're pretty damn compelling now,

00:33:21 ◼   ► and they probably will be for quite some time.

00:33:24 ◼   ► A phone's primary interface is very likely

00:33:27 ◼   ► to remain touch for a very long time,

00:33:29 ◼   ► probably for the entire rest of the time

00:33:32 ◼   ► that phones are relevant devices that people carry.

00:33:34 ◼   ► It doesn't matter what the primary interface is though.

00:33:36 ◼   ► Like I agree with you.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Like it's got a, it's a giant screen that you touch.

00:33:39 ◼   ► Like of course that's going to be how you're going to interact with.

00:33:41 ◼   ► But if voice becomes a more important part of how you interact with the phone,

00:33:46 ◼   ► doesn't mean with the primary way.

00:33:47 ◼   ► It doesn't mean you stop touching the screen.

00:33:48 ◼   ► You're always going to touch screen.

00:33:49 ◼   ► It's the whole point.

00:33:49 ◼   ► Like you said, it's in your hand.

00:33:50 ◼   ► It's a little thing in your hand until it's replaced by like magic

00:33:52 ◼   ► eyeglasses or some other thing in your ear or something or whatever.

00:33:55 ◼   ► Yes, you're going to be touching it primarily.

00:33:57 ◼   ► But imagine, I imagine very frequently how much better voice could be when I'm

00:34:02 ◼   ► driving a car and I hear my little phone being in my pocket, I would love to say, "read that

00:34:07 ◼   ► text for me." But I can't say that. I can't even say, "hey Siri, read that text for me,"

00:34:12 ◼   ► because it won't hear me because it's in my pocket, but it's connected to Bluetooth through

00:34:14 ◼   ► my car, so it's using my car's crappy microphone. Like, it could be better. And for, you know,

00:34:21 ◼   ► when voice didn't exist on iOS devices, people were just touching them entirely, right? There

00:34:24 ◼   ► was no Siri, right? When voice was added, it didn't really change our lives that much,

00:34:29 ◼   ► except maybe we use set timers and stuff,

00:34:31 ◼   ► but it radically changed the way my mother uses iOS devices

00:34:33 ◼   ► and Macs, because her primary typing interface is

00:34:36 ◼   ► speaking to her devices now.

00:34:39 ◼   ► Doesn't that mean that the primary way she uses her laptop

00:34:41 ◼   ► or her phone is by voice?

00:34:42 ◼   ► Of course not.

00:34:43 ◼   ► She's using the mouse or the trackpad or her fingers

00:34:46 ◼   ► to use the iOS device.

00:34:47 ◼   ► But any time text input comes along, she dictates it.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I can tell, because I see the Dictatos in all of her stuff,

00:34:53 ◼   ► and I've seen her do it--

00:34:54 ◼   ► Dictatos.

00:34:55 ◼   ► You know where I picked the wrong word?

00:34:56 ◼   ► Like a homonym or whatever?

00:34:58 ◼   ► I'm picturing that as a vegetable even though I know what you meant but it's a little

00:35:02 ◼   ► bit tictatus.

00:35:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Sometimes it's funny you have to kind of sound it out to figure out what she was supposed

00:35:05 ◼   ► to be.

00:35:06 ◼   ► She doesn't go back and edit because editing would require her to try to like place the

00:35:08 ◼   ► cursor in iOS on her phone and it, you know, it's not going to work with her vision and

00:35:13 ◼   ► her fingernails.

00:35:14 ◼   ► It's just not going to happen.

00:35:16 ◼   ► But I think that really has changed how she's done things.

00:35:18 ◼   ► And if you said you can have a computer or a phone but it won't do, you know, speech

00:35:23 ◼   ► to text, she would not like it.

00:35:25 ◼   ► So all I'm saying is that I think it could potentially become more important.

00:35:29 ◼   ► And if Google Assistant gets to the point where I can do things like, "Who just texted

00:35:34 ◼   ► me?

00:35:35 ◼   ► Was that my wife?"

00:35:36 ◼   ► Like if I can interact with it in kind of a naturalistic way, in a regular tone of voice,

00:35:39 ◼   ► and have an expectation that it'll know what the heck I'm talking about and respond in

00:35:42 ◼   ► a reasonable way, that is a game changer, right?

00:35:47 ◼   ► You cross some threshold.

00:35:48 ◼   ► Just like touch responsiveness, cross some threshold with the iPhone, it's like, "Oh,

00:35:51 ◼   ► I see how touch is supposed to be."

00:35:53 ◼   ► voice. It's not there yet, but I feel like it could get there and become a more important part

00:35:57 ◼   ► of how your phone works. And if you saw everyone else driving with their Android phones, interacting,

00:36:01 ◼   ► doing those interactions, not as their primary way of using their phone, but just like sometimes

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's, that's the most convenient way to do stuff. If you see that happening and your iPhone can't

00:36:10 ◼   ► do it because every time you try to talk to it, it like bloops at the wrong time or like tells

00:36:13 ◼   ► you it can't help you or runs like a web search and says, I found five things about, is that from

00:36:18 ◼   ► from my wife.

00:36:19 ◼   ► (scoffs)

00:36:20 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:36:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's fair.

00:36:22 ◼   ► And I do, you know, you're right that like,

00:36:24 ◼   ► if there's radical differences between Siri

00:36:27 ◼   ► and its competitors, that does start to become an issue,

00:36:29 ◼   ► but it's only an issue to the degree

00:36:32 ◼   ► that voice input is important to that device.

00:36:35 ◼   ► And so, if voice input is always the secondary way

00:36:38 ◼   ► you're interacting with this thing,

00:36:39 ◼   ► if you're mostly still touching it,

00:36:40 ◼   ► and voice is just like the secondary set of features,

00:36:43 ◼   ► it's way less important whether the voice input

00:36:45 ◼   ► is mediocre or excellent.

00:36:47 ◼   ► And so I think Siri can continue,

00:36:49 ◼   ► and because the rest of the phone is so much better

00:36:53 ◼   ► than its competitors, for almost everybody,

00:36:55 ◼   ► for almost every recent, sorry Android people,

00:36:58 ◼   ► that's the way it is,

00:36:59 ◼   ► because the primary interface is so advanced

00:37:04 ◼   ► and so compelling, the secondary interface, I think,

00:37:07 ◼   ► has way more tolerance to be mediocre

00:37:10 ◼   ► and still not make people change their buying habits.

00:37:13 ◼   ► - I'm always depressed that I can't even get

00:37:16 ◼   ► immediate family to get on board with iPhones.

00:37:20 ◼   ► And this is the thing where I start to worry that even though it seems clear to us that

00:37:24 ◼   ► iOS has advantages, like, you know, advantages that we appreciate, it's very clear that they

00:37:30 ◼   ► are advantages that most of the rest of the world does not appreciate.

00:37:34 ◼   ► Or at least they do not appreciate them enough to pay for them.

00:37:37 ◼   ► So I, you know, my sister has an Android phone and she replaced it with another Android phone,

00:37:42 ◼   ► and I couldn't convince her to get an iPhone.

00:37:43 ◼   ► You know why?

00:37:44 ◼   ► And I guess she said, well, I got this Android phone,

00:37:46 ◼   ► and it was $200, but I got $150 Costco rebate.

00:37:49 ◼   ► So it even cost less than that.

00:37:52 ◼   ► Can you show me the iPhone I can buy for $150?

00:37:55 ◼   ► And I was like, no, I can't show you the iPhone

00:37:58 ◼   ► you can buy for $150.

00:38:00 ◼   ► And there's no way I could convince her

00:38:02 ◼   ► that a difference between $50 net and $800 for an iPhone,

00:38:07 ◼   ► but don't you see how much better iOS is?

00:38:09 ◼   ► It's like, I do not see $750 worth of difference.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And that's why Android has 80% market share.

00:38:15 ◼   ► Phones are such a commodity now

00:38:18 ◼   ► that people just want a phone

00:38:19 ◼   ► and occasionally they want a new phone.

00:38:20 ◼   ► But it's like, who buys batteries?

00:38:22 ◼   ► It's from the Seinfeld episode.

00:38:23 ◼   ► Like, oh, you pay money for your phone?

00:38:24 ◼   ► I got this phone for 50 bucks and it's fine.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I got this phone for 50 bucks and it's fine.

00:38:28 ◼   ► Might as well be the Android slogan.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Like it is an incredibly powerful force.

00:38:32 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:33 ◼   ► Like you cannot, there's nothing you can say to someone

00:38:36 ◼   ► who says I got this phone for $50 and it's fine.

00:38:37 ◼   ► 'Cause they don't care about phones.

00:38:39 ◼   ► They're not phone enthusiasts.

00:38:40 ◼   ► They're not phone power users.

00:38:41 ◼   ► They just want a phone that lets them do phone things and it's $50.

00:38:45 ◼   ► And there's nothing you can say to them to say that this $1,000 iPhone X that reads your

00:38:49 ◼   ► face like magic is like, "Don't you want this now?"

00:38:52 ◼   ► It's like, "Mm, maybe if I have infinite money, but I got this for $150 and it's fine."

00:38:56 ◼   ► Anyway, that's a different show.

00:38:58 ◼   ► That's not the show.

00:38:59 ◼   ► This is the show where we're about to talk about how much we love our iPhone X.

00:39:02 ◼   ► So anyway, spoilers.

00:39:04 ◼   ► Well, we still have one more AskATP to go through.

00:39:09 ◼   ► Fernando would like to know,

00:39:11 ◼   ► "Is Marco getting a Sony A7R III

00:39:14 ◼   ► "since they addressed the battery concerns

00:39:15 ◼   ► "he had with the Mark II?"

00:39:18 ◼   ► So my understanding is your A7R II,

00:39:20 ◼   ► if memory serves, the battery was just woefully

00:39:24 ◼   ► under suited for the device

00:39:27 ◼   ► and you were charging constantly.

00:39:28 ◼   ► So is that inaccurate retelling

00:39:31 ◼   ► and does the A7R III fix that?

00:39:33 ◼   ► - Oh, by the way, before you answer,

00:39:34 ◼   ► I love how this question calls

00:39:37 ◼   ► the previous version of the Sony camera,

00:39:38 ◼   ► the Mark II, that's kind of crossing the streams there,

00:39:41 ◼   ► it's not the Mark II.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the little Canon lingo,

00:39:44 ◼   ► and before that many other things.

00:39:45 ◼   ► Anyway, the A7R II, I had two main problems with it.

00:39:49 ◼   ► The battery life was one, and the other was

00:39:52 ◼   ► the general speed of handling.

00:39:55 ◼   ► Things like reviewing an image that I had just shot,

00:39:59 ◼   ► or just speed and responsiveness of the controls

00:40:02 ◼   ► and the system and shooting and everything else.

00:40:05 ◼   ► it was capturing those giant 42 megapixel images

00:40:09 ◼   ► off that sensor, the camera's image processor,

00:40:12 ◼   ► I think, just couldn't handle that very well.

00:40:14 ◼   ► And so a lot of operations on the 5D Mark,

00:40:17 ◼   ► or sorry, wow, on the A7R II are just really sluggish.

00:40:21 ◼   ► And when I switched back to Canon

00:40:24 ◼   ► and I got the 5D Mark IV instead,

00:40:25 ◼   ► it's night and day difference.

00:40:28 ◼   ► I mean, it isn't as many megapixels.

00:40:30 ◼   ► I think it's only 30, you know, quote,

00:40:32 ◼   ► only thirty instead of forty two, but processing those

00:40:37 ◼   ► pixels and navigating and shooting and reviewing the

00:40:41 ◼   ► images and zooming into the images to see if they're sharp

00:40:43 ◼   ► and everything like it's just a million times faster on the

00:40:46 ◼   ► five d mark four than it is on the a seven r two. So the a

00:40:50 ◼   ► seven r three we just announced. I don't know if

00:40:52 ◼   ► it's out yet, but it's either way it's it's out shortly or

00:40:55 ◼   ► now and I when I sold my seven r two to Stephen Hackett, I

00:41:02 ◼   ► I kept my two favorite lenses, the 55 and the 35 primes,

00:41:07 ◼   ► because I thought, you know, lens resale value

00:41:10 ◼   ► is not gonna change much in a year,

00:41:12 ◼   ► and if I end up buying back into the Sony ecosystem,

00:41:15 ◼   ► you know, I have these lenses, I don't have to rebuy them.

00:41:18 ◼   ► So I kinda left the door open

00:41:19 ◼   ► that I could go back if I wanted to.

00:41:22 ◼   ► The a7R III promises to, it uses the new batteries

00:41:27 ◼   ► that the a9 introduced, and the a9 is like

00:41:29 ◼   ► a fast sports camera that I,

00:41:30 ◼   ► that it's not really what I'd be looking for.

00:41:33 ◼   ► It uses the same batteries that does,

00:41:36 ◼   ► which have allegedly, I think like two and a half times

00:41:39 ◼   ► the capacity of the old ones,

00:41:41 ◼   ► and allegedly the A7R III also has a faster image processor.

00:41:45 ◼   ► But until it's actually out,

00:41:49 ◼   ► and until people can actually review it,

00:41:51 ◼   ► and maybe I can rent one,

00:41:53 ◼   ► it's hard to quantify that.

00:41:54 ◼   ► It's like, well, how much faster is it?

00:41:57 ◼   ► And how much better are those batteries?

00:41:59 ◼   ► If it's only a little bit better,

00:42:01 ◼   ► that's not good enough for me.

00:42:03 ◼   ► If it can make it to the speed and responsiveness level

00:42:06 ◼   ► of a Canon full-frame SLR,

00:42:08 ◼   ► and with the battery life that could be similar,

00:42:11 ◼   ► then we'll talk.

00:42:12 ◼   ► But it's too early to know that yet.

00:42:14 ◼   ► I am very tempted though, because in the Canon world,

00:42:17 ◼   ► while I do absolutely love the speed and the handling

00:42:22 ◼   ► and the basically infinite battery life

00:42:24 ◼   ► that full-size SLRs have compared to mirrorless,

00:42:27 ◼   ► I do miss those 42 megapixels when I try to shoot myself a new 5K wallpaper, and I also

00:42:34 ◼   ► miss the in-body stabilization to make every lens stabilize, basically.

00:42:40 ◼   ► So I'm curious to rent one when it comes out, whenever I can get my hands on a rental.

00:42:45 ◼   ► It might be a while.

00:42:47 ◼   ► But I'm not rushing out to buy it yet, because I think the most likely outcome here is that

00:42:54 ◼   ► it will be better, but not better enough.

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00:44:57 ◼   ► It's iPhone time.

00:44:58 ◼   ► It sounds like all three households have received at least one iPhone X.

00:45:03 ◼   ► In the case of our house, I got one and Aaron got one.

00:45:07 ◼   ► I got the whatever we're calling it-- whatever the Apple term is for black,

00:45:12 ◼   ► 256. Aaron got whatever the Apple term is for white, 256. Marco, how did your house

00:45:19 ◼   ► end up?

00:45:20 ◼   ► >> Uh, white, 256.

00:45:21 ◼   ► >> Uh, and then John, how did you end up?

00:45:24 ◼   ► >> I didn't receive a phone. I had to go out and get it. If you remember recall, I

00:45:28 ◼   ► ordered a phone, but it was like two to three weeks wait. But in the days since ordering

00:45:35 ◼   ► the phone, I've been using the store app to try to do in-store pickup. And I forget

00:45:39 ◼   ► like one weekend morning or at 8 a.m.

00:45:41 ◼   ► I did my typical order and went to see what's available for in-store pickup.

00:45:45 ◼   ► And I saw that my local Apple Store has the phone that I wanted.

00:45:48 ◼   ► So I said please reserve that for me. I will come pick it up at the appointed time.

00:45:52 ◼   ► And we did. And we came and picked up the appointed time.

00:45:54 ◼   ► Now it was tricky because this is my wife's phone, remember.

00:45:57 ◼   ► She had an outstanding order.

00:45:59 ◼   ► And we did it the Verizon way where you enter all the information so that when you get the phone

00:46:02 ◼   ► it's basically already assigned to her phone number.

00:46:04 ◼   ► When you take it out of the box and activate it, it deactivates your other phone and everything, right?

00:46:08 ◼   ► Right like it was that's we had that in process

00:46:11 ◼   ► It would not let me reserve for in-store pickup a phone with her same number on it

00:46:16 ◼   ► Right because it says you already have a phone that's you know in process the only way you can do this

00:46:20 ◼   ► It said basically was to receive the order and then like I don't know return it or something

00:46:25 ◼   ► I like it didn't even give you the option to say if you can't see other order

00:46:28 ◼   ► We'll let you go through this order it said no you cannot do another order until that order arrives or whatever so instead I

00:46:35 ◼   ► I ordered the iPhone X for me with my telephone number because my wife just wanted to get

00:46:41 ◼   ► the phone.

00:46:42 ◼   ► She's like, "Just do it.

00:46:43 ◼   ► Just do whatever it takes to get the phone.

00:46:44 ◼   ► We'll sort it out afterwards."

00:46:45 ◼   ► And so we did.

00:46:46 ◼   ► We ordered it with my phone number and my thing and took the iPhone X, went to the store

00:46:49 ◼   ► to pick it up, took it out of the box.

00:46:51 ◼   ► It activated as my phone.

00:46:52 ◼   ► It deactivated my phone.

00:46:53 ◼   ► Then we did some SIM swapping.

00:46:55 ◼   ► And a couple of minutes later, we were busily updating the stupid thing to iOS 11.1 because

00:47:00 ◼   ► it shipped with 11.0.1.

00:47:03 ◼   ► I'm restarting from a backup and completely forgetting to do the watch thing which we'll discuss in a little bit.

00:47:07 ◼   ► But all in all, she eventually got her, whatever the hell it is, black space grey 256 that now is correctly assigned to her telephone number.

00:47:17 ◼   ► And I'm back on my iPhone 7.

00:47:21 ◼   ► Alright, I'm going to just start with some of my impressions and if you guys let me I'll carry on until I'm done.

00:47:28 ◼   ► But in all likelihood we're going to end up just all of us talking about everything.

00:47:32 ◼   ► So I'll wait before you begin the point I wanted to make about the in-store pickup

00:47:36 ◼   ► If you have an order with Apple and you're waiting like oh man

00:47:38 ◼   ► I gotta wait three weeks just every day in the morning

00:47:40 ◼   ► Go to the Apple Store app on iOS try to order it and see it and do in-store pickup

00:47:45 ◼   ► It's before you complete the order

00:47:47 ◼   ► It will show you what stores have the model the model and size available in your area available for pickup

00:47:52 ◼   ► There's a lot of availability every single day new stuff comes in every single day in the morning. Just do that

00:47:57 ◼   ► It's really easy to get a phone for local pickup

00:48:02 ◼   ► before your one that you ordered comes.

00:48:03 ◼   ► You can always just cancel your order, which is what we did.

00:48:05 ◼   ► So I would encourage everyone

00:48:06 ◼   ► who's being impatient with their phone, do that.

00:48:08 ◼   ► Look for in-store pickup every day.

00:48:10 ◼   ► - So initial impressions at the time,

00:48:12 ◼   ► I tried to take some very, very, very brief notes.

00:48:16 ◼   ► It's heavy, or at least I feel like it's heavy.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Not bad heavy, just, oh, this is heavier, kinda heavy.

00:48:23 ◼   ► Curiously though, the size doesn't act,

00:48:29 ◼   ► I don't get actively reminded that it's bigger,

00:48:32 ◼   ► if that makes sense.

00:48:33 ◼   ► Like if I think about it for a half second,

00:48:34 ◼   ► oh yeah, this feels bigger than what I'm used to.

00:48:36 ◼   ► But it's not like the plus club

00:48:38 ◼   ► where I feel like I'm holding a dinner tray.

00:48:40 ◼   ► It's just, it's close enough to my old one

00:48:44 ◼   ► that it feels about the same.

00:48:46 ◼   ► Do you feel similarly,

00:48:47 ◼   ► or do you feel like you definitely notice the size, Marco?

00:48:50 ◼   ► - So I took notes as I was like experiencing it,

00:48:53 ◼   ► just so I could get some opinions down.

00:48:55 ◼   ► My first two notes are, it looks great period,

00:48:59 ◼   ► it's heavy period.

00:49:00 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:02 ◼   ► That's my first two, my initial reaction to it.

00:49:05 ◼   ► Very, very clear.

00:49:06 ◼   ► I actually just for the sake of comparison,

00:49:08 ◼   ► I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the drawer.

00:49:10 ◼   ► And first of all, man this is way grippier.

00:49:13 ◼   ► Jet flying iPhone 7, no question, way grippier.

00:49:18 ◼   ► But yeah, the weight difference is immediately apparent.

00:49:21 ◼   ► Going either direction, it's definitely a weighty phone.

00:49:25 ◼   ► But I will say about the size, I agree with you,

00:49:28 ◼   ► that it does not feel like a plus phone.

00:49:32 ◼   ► I will say, though, it is like having a regular iPhone 7

00:49:37 ◼   ► in your pocket and in other places,

00:49:40 ◼   ► like in docks and in cars and in cup holders.

00:49:43 ◼   ► It feels like an iPhone 7 physically,

00:49:46 ◼   ► but when actually using it, it feels like using a plus

00:49:50 ◼   ► because it's so much harder to reach things.

00:49:54 ◼   ► - I see your point.

00:49:55 ◼   ► - So to summarize, it's like having a plus in your hand,

00:49:59 ◼   ► but a seven in your pocket.

00:50:01 ◼   ► - I mostly agree with that, but I think in my hand

00:50:04 ◼   ► that in my pocket, my main impression of it

00:50:07 ◼   ► is that it's taller.

00:50:09 ◼   ► I know it's not actually thinner, but because it's taller,

00:50:12 ◼   ► when I mentally envision it and think about holding it,

00:50:14 ◼   ► I think, oh, that's the one that's skinnier

00:50:16 ◼   ► than my iPhone 7 but taller.

00:50:18 ◼   ► It's not, right, but because it's taller,

00:50:20 ◼   ► that's my impression, and Margot's 100% right with,

00:50:23 ◼   ► OK, that's how it feels as a physical object.

00:50:25 ◼   ► What happens when you start trying to touch a screen

00:50:27 ◼   ► and you're like, oh, there's a lot more screen

00:50:29 ◼   ► than there used to be, and some of it's harder to reach?

00:50:31 ◼   ► - I can get behind that.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I do feel like the width is the thing that I noticed most,

00:50:38 ◼   ► or that makes me most uncomfortable.

00:50:40 ◼   ► It's not, I don't feel like,

00:50:41 ◼   ► I don't have numbers in front of me,

00:50:42 ◼   ► it's not egregiously wider than what I'm used to,

00:50:45 ◼   ► but it's wide enough that it's just

00:50:47 ◼   ► ever so slightly uncomfortable.

00:50:49 ◼   ► And I think Marco, you're 100% right,

00:50:51 ◼   ► that yeah, the screen is big enough

00:50:54 ◼   ► that this is really a two-hand phone,

00:50:56 ◼   ► but I think because I just knew

00:50:59 ◼   ► that the screen was going to be much bigger,

00:51:00 ◼   ► that I was like mentally prepped for that,

00:51:03 ◼   ► but I was not mentally or physically prepped

00:51:05 ◼   ► for it being noticeably wider.

00:51:08 ◼   ► And if there's ever a time that I'm reminded

00:51:10 ◼   ► about the physical differences of the phone,

00:51:12 ◼   ► it's because I'm trying to hold it

00:51:14 ◼   ► and I feel like it's just a hint wider than I want it to be.

00:51:18 ◼   ► - It also feels thicker to me.

00:51:19 ◼   ► It may just be because my wife's got a silicone case,

00:51:21 ◼   ► which might be thicker than the leather one that I'm used to.

00:51:25 ◼   ► And I have no idea if it actually is thicker than the 7, but yeah, this is just how it

00:51:29 ◼   ► feels.

00:51:30 ◼   ► When I think about the 10 in the silicone case versus the 7 in the leather, like I said,

00:51:33 ◼   ► the opposite of Casey, that I feel like the 10 is skinnier, even though it isn't, and

00:51:37 ◼   ► like, not as wide, right?

00:51:39 ◼   ► And I also have the impression that the 10 is thicker.

00:51:42 ◼   ► I didn't notice the weight as much as you two.

00:51:44 ◼   ► I recognize that it is heavier, and I guess if I did them side by side I would notice

00:51:47 ◼   ► that, but just having the 10 by itself, I don't notice the weight as much.

00:51:51 ◼   ► I noticed that it's thicker and taller.

00:51:53 ◼   ► - It is thicker.

00:51:54 ◼   ► I just put them on a desk with their Kimbermans

00:51:56 ◼   ► hanging off to normalize for the non-bump space.

00:51:59 ◼   ► And yeah, it is thicker noticeably.

00:52:01 ◼   ► I will say though, like I don't actually,

00:52:02 ◼   ► like when I'm not doing a flat on the desk comparison test,

00:52:06 ◼   ► it doesn't read to me as thicker.

00:52:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:52:11 ◼   ► I agree with what you said, Marco, that it's beautiful.

00:52:14 ◼   ► One of the first things I noticed,

00:52:15 ◼   ► and somebody else had said this on Twitter,

00:52:17 ◼   ► and I don't recall who it was,

00:52:19 ◼   ► But they had said it looks maybe it was panzerino. They had said that it looks as though

00:52:23 ◼   ► The screen is photoshopped onto the device you're holding and I don't know if I would have character

00:52:30 ◼   ► Characterized it that way had I not read it already, but that was a perfect description of it that

00:52:38 ◼   ► It seems like the screen is just photoshopped onto this like object that you're holding it is so

00:52:46 ◼   ► I'm assuming it's just that it's so close to the glass, even closer than it ever has

00:52:50 ◼   ► been.

00:52:51 ◼   ► I can't wait until they actually get a screen on the surface of something, because this

00:52:54 ◼   ► is exactly what we used to say, like when they did the fused glass on the 4.

00:52:57 ◼   ► I was like, "Wow, the pixels are cutting, they're so close to your fingers."

00:53:00 ◼   ► And it's true, over time, the pixels have been getting closer to your fingers, and this

00:53:03 ◼   ► is the closest yet, but I definitely think it was slightly overblown to say that it looked

00:53:07 ◼   ► like it was Photoshop on.

00:53:08 ◼   ► Yes, it does look like it's closer than other phones, but it doesn't feel to me as if I'm

00:53:13 ◼   ► Running my fingers over a magazine picture cut out of a magazine right like it doesn't feel like the picture the pixels are on the

00:53:19 ◼   ► Surface they're just barely below it. Yeah either way. Yeah, it just I think it's beautiful the screen looks great

00:53:26 ◼   ► I am I don't have a good enough eye to be able to tell tell you anything about color reproduction or anything like that

00:53:31 ◼   ► You don't notice the blacks. You know notice the black levels. You don't watch a movie on it

00:53:35 ◼   ► No

00:53:36 ◼   ► I haven't really watched

00:53:37 ◼   ► With credits in a dark room that has a black screen with a white title in the middle of yeah

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:42 ◼   ► - And then hold up your seven with the same movie

00:53:43 ◼   ► and realize the seven is showing a gray background

00:53:45 ◼   ► with white text in the middle.

00:53:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

00:53:48 ◼   ► I just don't think I'm discerning enough

00:53:51 ◼   ► to be wowed by that until, to your point,

00:53:53 ◼   ► I do a side-to-side test, or side-by-side test.

00:53:56 ◼   ► - And it does HDR too.

00:53:58 ◼   ► I realize that this iPhone X is the only HDR screen

00:54:00 ◼   ► I have in my house.

00:54:01 ◼   ► I watch some movies on it.

00:54:04 ◼   ► I watch, try to find some HDR movies on iTunes.

00:54:06 ◼   ► It looks pretty good.

00:54:08 ◼   ► - Turns out.

00:54:10 ◼   ► But yeah, the screen looks great.

00:54:12 ◼   ► I will say that when I was on the plane earlier today,

00:54:15 ◼   ► I happened to be sitting in the middle of two gentlemen

00:54:19 ◼   ► that both had plus phones.

00:54:21 ◼   ► I couldn't tell you specifically what vintage,

00:54:23 ◼   ► but they were both plus size phones.

00:54:24 ◼   ► And looking over at one of them,

00:54:27 ◼   ► and this is probably just telling you

00:54:31 ◼   ► how much of a jerk I am, but I was kind of repulsed

00:54:33 ◼   ► by how big the chin and forehead were.

00:54:35 ◼   ► I looked over and I was just like, "Oh, God,

00:54:38 ◼   ► Those look ancient, and they do.

00:54:41 ◼   ► - There's a place for you to stick your gum

00:54:43 ◼   ► when you're not using it.

00:54:44 ◼   ► Just put it right there. - Yeah, exactly.

00:54:45 ◼   ► - And then when you're done, you can.

00:54:47 ◼   ► - So better than under the table, right, Jon?

00:54:48 ◼   ► 'Cause at least you know which one's yours.

00:54:51 ◼   ► No, seriously though, they both look so ancient

00:54:54 ◼   ► and just old, like, oh, God, that looks so old.

00:54:59 ◼   ► And in mine, I feel like this unequivocally

00:55:01 ◼   ► looks like the future.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And we'll see what happens with the notch.

00:55:05 ◼   ► But it just looks way newer and way more modern.

00:55:10 ◼   ► So while we're talking about the screen, one of the typical Apple

00:55:15 ◼   ► problem with the new iPhone stories that went around was about the blue shift

00:55:19 ◼   ► in the screen, the inherent quality of OLEDs.

00:55:24 ◼   ► Apparently it is-- I don't have enough experience with OLEDs to load.

00:55:27 ◼   ► That when you look at the screen head on, looks gorgeous.

00:55:29 ◼   ► But if you tilt the screen a little bit away from you or towards you

00:55:32 ◼   ► or whatever that the colors shift towards blue.

00:55:35 ◼   ► And so when I got the phone, I tried this and they're right.

00:55:39 ◼   ► It shifts blue when you do that.

00:55:40 ◼   ► - Oh, it definitely does.

00:55:41 ◼   ► - But without looking, no cheating,

00:55:43 ◼   ► what happens on a pre-10 iPhone

00:55:46 ◼   ► when you tilt the screen off axis?

00:55:48 ◼   ► Don't do it, don't pick up your phone and do it.

00:55:50 ◼   ► Don't look.

00:55:51 ◼   ► Just tell me, this is the pop quiz,

00:55:53 ◼   ► what happens on a pre-iPhone screen

00:55:54 ◼   ► when you tilt it away from you towards you?

00:55:56 ◼   ► - Goes yellow?

00:55:57 ◼   ► - I have no idea because it doesn't matter

00:55:59 ◼   ► because I always look at my phone straight on

00:56:01 ◼   ► or not at all.

00:56:02 ◼   ► I'm gonna have to look at it diagonally.

00:56:04 ◼   ► I won't care if it shifts slightly.

00:56:05 ◼   ► Like, this is such a non-issue.

00:56:07 ◼   ► - I don't think you actually do always look at it on axis.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Like, and, because I think you do look at it tilted.

00:56:14 ◼   ► I just think that changes in color, like this blue shift,

00:56:18 ◼   ► are subtle enough that nobody cares.

00:56:22 ◼   ► And to spoil it for you, what pre-10 iPhones do,

00:56:25 ◼   ► what essentially IPS LCDs do, is they get dimmer.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Instead of getting dimmer in all RGB spectrum equally, the X gets dimmer in the R and the

00:56:36 ◼   ► G, leaving the B a little bit more.

00:56:38 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure why it does this, but that's how it works.

00:56:41 ◼   ► But if you now take them both and put them in front of you and tilt them both, their

00:56:47 ◼   ► off-axis viewing is not great on either one of them, right?

00:56:50 ◼   ► But as Marco said, either you're always looking at a head-on or it's tilted to such a degree

00:56:53 ◼   ► that you don't care.

00:56:54 ◼   ► So if you read a story about the iPhone 10 OLED screen blue shifting, it does, but it

00:57:00 ◼   ► is no more egregious than what every iPhone you've ever done has done.

00:57:04 ◼   ► And I think most people will, even if they've read 100 stories about this and are terrified

00:57:08 ◼   ► about it, you will not notice it in practice.

00:57:10 ◼   ► And the screen looks amazing from any angle in all situations.

00:57:14 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a total non-issue.

00:57:17 ◼   ► The fact that neither of us, neither me or Casey, could tell you what happened if you

00:57:21 ◼   ► looked off access to all the previous screens.

00:57:23 ◼   ► I couldn't have told you either. I had to do it. I'm like, "Well, maybe, you know,

00:57:27 ◼   ► LCDs, especially IPS LCDs, are well known for really good viewing." So I'm like, "Oh,

00:57:30 ◼   ► well, I guess it's just a disadvantage of OLEDs. I'll take it because I like the black

00:57:33 ◼   ► levels, but LCDs don't do that, right?" Then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted it. I'm like,

00:57:37 ◼   ► "Nope. Pretty bad. Pretty bad. Tilt it." And it gets very dim, very fast. Like, "Ooh,

00:57:41 ◼   ► I'd never noticed that before." And why? Because you just don't. You just don't in

00:57:45 ◼   ► normal usage.

00:57:46 ◼   ► Yeah, like after 10 years of using these things, none of us could tell you what happened. So

00:57:50 ◼   ► it's obviously not a big problem in practice.

00:57:53 ◼   ► And now that you look like go look for go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a white screen tilted

00:57:57 ◼   ► It's not subtle like it gets really dark really fast like noticeably like if you put this on camera

00:58:02 ◼   ► It'd be like terrible flaw iPhone screen like that's just how the LCDs work, and we're all just used to it, and it's fine and

00:58:08 ◼   ► the blue thing

00:58:10 ◼   ► Should not bother most people

00:58:12 ◼   ► Speaking of things that should not bother most people

00:58:14 ◼   ► Notched in portrait is a hundred percent a non-issue for me. Maybe you guys feel differently

00:58:21 ◼   ► give you a chance in a second, but for me in portrait, 100% a non-issue. In landscape,

00:58:27 ◼   ► it's weird. I don't think it's as egregious as I expected. Well, in either direction, but particularly

00:58:33 ◼   ► landscape, but it's definitely weird and noticeable in landscape. It doesn't actively offend me,

00:58:41 ◼   ► but it is kind of like, huh, that's funny. So John, in your usage, what have you thought of

00:58:47 ◼   ► of the notch. So the notch itself in portrait, the only way it manifests for me in a negative light

00:58:58 ◼   ► is what it does to the UI in terms of, well this is not really the fault of the notch, but I suppose,

00:59:04 ◼   ► but like the the control center and the notifications. As I said in past shows,

00:59:10 ◼   ► I think it's a really clever use of, you know, making lemons out of, making lemonade out of

00:59:14 ◼   ► of lemons. Really clever use to decide, okay now we have this physical blob there, we have

00:59:17 ◼   ► two distinct regions that are distinguishable and can do different functions, so they put

00:59:21 ◼   ► control center in one and notifications on the other. But due to the very large size

00:59:27 ◼   ► of the phone, I don't want to go all the way to the upper left to get notifications. If

00:59:31 ◼   ► I could go to the top middle or top right for notifications, that would be way more

00:59:36 ◼   ► convenient for me as someone who mostly holds their phone in their right hand. And that's

00:59:42 ◼   ► That's how the notch is annoying me, because it's pushing a semi-commonly used control

00:59:47 ◼   ► farther away from my thumb, right?

00:59:50 ◼   ► So that's, yeah, but other than that, like, the actual notch itself, like, mucking up

00:59:56 ◼   ► my screen, in portrait I don't even notice that it's there and it's a non-issue.

00:59:59 ◼   ► In landscape, I don't tend to use my phone landscape.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Landscape, the main thing that annoys me is the proportion of the phone in terms of, like,

01:00:06 ◼   ► viewing video, which is what I'm going to do.

01:00:08 ◼   ► It seems like a lot of the screen is wasted, depending on what the aspect ratio is.

01:00:13 ◼   ► All in the chat room is saying that the entire thing is a notification set for the right

01:00:17 ◼   ► corner.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Yeah, but I can't use the right corner.

01:00:19 ◼   ► And also, it doesn't occur to me to swipe my fingers over the notch to do it most of

01:00:21 ◼   ► the time, even though you can, if only because I don't want to smear my greasy fingers over

01:00:24 ◼   ► the lenses of the cameras, which probably makes no difference because of focal distances,

01:00:28 ◼   ► but it's still something that I am averse to.

01:00:31 ◼   ► And like I said, it's not like, "Oh, do you always use the upper right-hand corner of

01:00:35 ◼   ► your 7?"

01:00:36 ◼   ► No, but my 7 is not this damn tall.

01:00:37 ◼   ► So it's stressing this out.

01:00:40 ◼   ► In landscape, like I said, I feel like a lot of the screen is often wasted in landscape

01:00:44 ◼   ► and applications that do go full with landscape, I don't need them to say, "Oh, I wish you

01:00:50 ◼   ► could have used that last little bit."

01:00:52 ◼   ► Imagine if you're reading a webpage in landscape or very often I'm rotating some stupid person's

01:00:58 ◼   ► image of text.

01:00:59 ◼   ► They upload a heavily compressed JPEG of text that I can't read in portrait because the

01:01:03 ◼   ► line length is 700 characters long.

01:01:05 ◼   ► to rotate the landscape just so the image can get big enough for me to read their paragraph

01:01:09 ◼   ► of screenshotted text without scrolling the image left and right like a typewriter.

01:01:12 ◼   ► Trenton Larkin Oh, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep. I've been here a thousand times.

01:01:14 ◼   ► Geoff - Right. Even then, I don't think the Notch bothers me. It looks awkward in screenshots. And

01:01:20 ◼   ► if you're designing an app, I can imagine you going, "Oh, how am I going to deal with this

01:01:23 ◼   ► thing in landscape?" But so far in practice, the Notch hasn't bothered me, you know, its presence

01:01:32 ◼   ► and the lack of me having those pixels between the two ears

01:01:35 ◼   ► has not bothered me in any orientation,

01:01:37 ◼   ► and just in portrait, it's the reachability thing

01:01:39 ◼   ► that's bothering me a little bit.

01:01:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have basically the same opinion.

01:01:43 ◼   ► The notch really has not bothered me much.

01:01:46 ◼   ► It annoys me a little bit sometimes,

01:01:49 ◼   ► but in practice, it's almost like

01:01:51 ◼   ► the iPhone 7 virtual home button thing.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Like, I thought beforehand,

01:01:55 ◼   ► you know, many of us thought beforehand,

01:01:57 ◼   ► like, this is gonna be a big problem,

01:01:59 ◼   ► it's gonna be a huge thing to get used to,

01:02:01 ◼   ► it's gonna be really annoying.

01:02:03 ◼   ► And then in practice it just wasn't.

01:02:05 ◼   ► And that's how the notch is proving to be for me.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Like, as a developer, it's a huge pain in my rear end.

01:02:12 ◼   ► It's mostly in landscape.

01:02:13 ◼   ► But as a user of the phone,

01:02:16 ◼   ► it really is not that noticeable most of the time.

01:02:20 ◼   ► I will say I do notice it when transitions happen

01:02:24 ◼   ► that push content under it

01:02:26 ◼   ► or pull content out from below it.

01:02:28 ◼   ► So leaving an app, opening an app,

01:02:30 ◼   ► Any kind of full screen that gets presented in an app

01:02:33 ◼   ► and then later dismissed, like you kinda,

01:02:35 ◼   ► when your eye is kinda drawn to notice

01:02:38 ◼   ► vertical things like that, that reach the top of the screen,

01:02:41 ◼   ► I do notice it more.

01:02:43 ◼   ► But most of the rest of usage, I don't notice the notch.

01:02:46 ◼   ► It really isn't a problem.

01:02:47 ◼   ► And the only other time I notice it is

01:02:49 ◼   ► when I try to tap it to scroll to top, and doesn't work.

01:02:52 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:02:53 ◼   ► Like, 'cause the notch is not touch sensitive.

01:02:54 ◼   ► So you can tap near the notch and it will scroll to top.

01:02:58 ◼   ► You can tap the ears, it will scroll to top,

01:02:59 ◼   ► but the actual Notch's help is not touch sensitive.

01:03:03 ◼   ► - They should just do what the drawing app does

01:03:05 ◼   ► and make the camera a button.

01:03:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, where they just leave the camera on

01:03:09 ◼   ► and just sense when you put your finger over it,

01:03:11 ◼   ► blacks it out.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Oh, what a hilarious but clever hack that was.

01:03:17 ◼   ► Didn't make it through App Review, turns out.

01:03:19 ◼   ► What a surprise.

01:03:21 ◼   ► But anyway, yeah, so yeah, Notch so far,

01:03:24 ◼   ► it really doesn't seem to be a problem.

01:03:29 ◼   ► You can argue whether they need it to be there,

01:03:32 ◼   ► whether they could have done something more like the S8,

01:03:35 ◼   ► but I think what they did actually works.

01:03:39 ◼   ► It pains me to say that because the notch is so weird,

01:03:42 ◼   ► and in landscape it really is a mess,

01:03:44 ◼   ► but I never use my phone in landscape

01:03:46 ◼   ► unless I'm watching a video,

01:03:47 ◼   ► in which case I can have it do the zoom thing

01:03:49 ◼   ► where it doesn't show over the notch,

01:03:51 ◼   ► which I think any right-thinking person should.

01:03:53 ◼   ► - But you wouldn't want to, you'll never,

01:03:55 ◼   ► like the video thing is not something

01:03:57 ◼   ► that people should worry about

01:03:58 ◼   ► because very little video,

01:03:59 ◼   ► unless you're watching like "Lawrence of Arabia"

01:04:01 ◼   ► or something that's like, you know,

01:04:02 ◼   ► really, really wide aspect ratio.

01:04:04 ◼   ► - Right, right.

01:04:05 ◼   ► - The phone is not the same aspect ratio

01:04:07 ◼   ► as most TV and movies.

01:04:08 ◼   ► It's wider than most TVs and movies.

01:04:09 ◼   ► The only time the notch would interfere with your video

01:04:11 ◼   ► is if you're zooming to cut off the tops

01:04:13 ◼   ► and the bottom of your pictures.

01:04:14 ◼   ► It's a really tall phone,

01:04:15 ◼   ► and when you turn it sideways, it's really wide.

01:04:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, so overall, notch, not really a problem.

01:04:23 ◼   ► It isn't perfect, it's a little weird sometimes,

01:04:25 ◼   ► But overall, it seems fine.

01:04:29 ◼   ► - So unlike the iPhone 7 home button

01:04:32 ◼   ► or whatever it was that I'm moving home button was introduced

01:04:34 ◼   ► I don't think we'll be here next year saying,

01:04:36 ◼   ► and you know what, I actually prefer the notch

01:04:38 ◼   ► to having no notch.

01:04:39 ◼   ► Like it won't actually become our preference.

01:04:41 ◼   ► And as I said, I think when we were talking

01:04:42 ◼   ► about the notch a couple episodes ago,

01:04:44 ◼   ► Apple doesn't want the notch to be there.

01:04:46 ◼   ► It's a compromise that is necessary

01:04:47 ◼   ► for a whole bunch of other stuff

01:04:48 ◼   ► that we're gonna get to in a little bit, right?

01:04:51 ◼   ► If Apple can get rid of the notch, they will.

01:04:53 ◼   ► And no matter how big a part it becomes of branding,

01:04:55 ◼   ► eventually this notch is going away when the tech exists to do it because if Johnny Eyes

01:04:59 ◼   ► is still alive, bless his heart, the true elemental form of the iPhone is to be an unbroken

01:05:05 ◼   ► – well, it's not a round rack, hyper-ellipsoid, whatever the hell shape like he's going

01:05:10 ◼   ► to make this phone.

01:05:11 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:12 ◼   ► Completely uniform.

01:05:13 ◼   ► And by the way, speaking of completely uniform, that's another thing about this phone.

01:05:17 ◼   ► It is more symmetrical, more physically, tactically, tact – what's the word?

01:05:23 ◼   ► Tactilely.

01:05:24 ◼   ► Yeah, tactically and touch sensitively like the surface features of it are more symmetrical than almost any other phone

01:05:32 ◼   ► Certainly, I think it than any other iPhone, right?

01:05:34 ◼   ► Because they all had something that was indented in some way on the bottom to tell you

01:05:40 ◼   ► That's the chin and then the thing without the indents is the forehead or you could feel the little speaker slit for the forehead or whatever

01:05:47 ◼   ► It's not like an Apple TV remote and especially if you have a case it's pretty easy to tell

01:05:53 ◼   ► What's up? And what's down because the case apples cases at least don't have anything on the bottom which will become super important

01:05:59 ◼   ► When we start talking about how you use the stamp phone

01:06:01 ◼   ► But

01:06:04 ◼   ► It have come closer than I've ever come before to briefly attempting to pick up a phone in the wrong orientation

01:06:10 ◼   ► So that is a factor and when Johnny gets his way and it is really truly uniform and there's no notch and like everything is

01:06:17 ◼   ► It's the police featureless

01:06:19 ◼   ► beautiful polished stone

01:06:21 ◼   ► I mean maybe won't matter because maybe like you can pick it up any way you want and the orientation won't matter because at that

01:06:26 ◼   ► Point Johnny's removed the volume buttons as well, and we just all talk to it to change the volume

01:06:29 ◼   ► It's really convenient just tap triple tap 3 or tap over to V and Morse code

01:06:33 ◼   ► And it will change the volume or just say hey, sorry turn the volume up 80%

01:06:36 ◼   ► Anyway, I'm getting all snarky, but but either way that that is a factor with the 10

01:06:41 ◼   ► It is more symmetrical than previous iPhones, and there's the possibility of you occasionally

01:06:45 ◼   ► Getting confused about which way is up, but only briefly

01:06:48 ◼   ► I don't think it's really a problem, but it's in the first few days with the phone, I have

01:06:52 ◼   ► that experience.

01:06:53 ◼   ► I will say one area where they changed the symmetry aspect a little bit, I think for

01:06:58 ◼   ► the better, is that unlike the 6, 7, and 8 and their Plus varieties, the sleep/wake button

01:07:04 ◼   ► is now no longer perfectly overlapping symmetrically with the volume up button.

01:07:09 ◼   ► Now the sleep/wake button has moved down slightly, so it is centered between the volume up and

01:07:13 ◼   ► down buttons.

01:07:14 ◼   ► So now it is substantially easier to hit sleep wake

01:07:19 ◼   ► or volume up without hitting the other one accidentally.

01:07:22 ◼   ► - But then you do have to hit them for,

01:07:25 ◼   ► that's how you get the shutdown thing to come.

01:07:27 ◼   ► - Yeah. (laughs)

01:07:28 ◼   ► - So you will actually still be squeezing the buttons.

01:07:29 ◼   ► - I mean, you can still do it.

01:07:30 ◼   ► - Or doing the command alt delete sequence

01:07:32 ◼   ► or whatever the hell that thing does.

01:07:33 ◼   ► What is that, change to DFU mode where you do volume up,

01:07:36 ◼   ► volume down, volume down, volume left, volume left,

01:07:39 ◼   ► volume right, volume right, select start.

01:07:41 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:07:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, anyway, yeah.

01:07:43 ◼   ► But the other thing I will say though

01:07:44 ◼   ► about the sleep wake button,

01:07:45 ◼   ► I do love finally that it is no longer

01:07:48 ◼   ► lined up perfectly with volume up.

01:07:49 ◼   ► However, it is fairly difficult to double click it,

01:07:54 ◼   ► which makes it really annoying to use Apple Pay.

01:07:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're actually gonna take seven screenshots

01:07:58 ◼   ► from when you try to pay for something.

01:08:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, like I have found Apple Pay

01:08:01 ◼   ► is fairly tricky to invoke with that double click.

01:08:04 ◼   ► - My poor wife would, like I told her how to use Apple Pay.

01:08:08 ◼   ► I didn't tell her the story about the people

01:08:11 ◼   ► being confused about the touch thing,

01:08:12 ◼   ► But it did say, oh, when you do Apple Pay now,

01:08:14 ◼   ► just so you know, you hit the power button twice, right?

01:08:17 ◼   ► But you know what it's like when you're in a checkout line

01:08:19 ◼   ► and there's the pressure for you to perform, right?

01:08:22 ◼   ► And it's your new phone.

01:08:23 ◼   ► It's your new phone and you haven't used it before,

01:08:26 ◼   ► but you don't wanna look silly

01:08:27 ◼   ► and you don't wanna hold people up.

01:08:29 ◼   ► And I think what she was doing was,

01:08:32 ◼   ► you know how it brings up that little thing on the screen

01:08:33 ◼   ► that has a highlight on the screen, says,

01:08:35 ◼   ► "Here, press this button twice to activate Apple Pay,"

01:08:38 ◼   ► or whatever, you know that thing?

01:08:39 ◼   ► I think she was tapping on that on the screen.

01:08:41 ◼   ► And of course it's not doing anything and she's being flustered and I think she eventually

01:08:47 ◼   ► figured it out.

01:08:48 ◼   ► But first experience, I think that guide, that thing trying to tell you what to do,

01:08:54 ◼   ► is a good interface and that will help people.

01:08:56 ◼   ► But under pressure with people behind you with a checkout line, everyone can be a little

01:09:01 ◼   ► silly.

01:09:02 ◼   ► So tiny bit of a learning curve there.

01:09:06 ◼   ► Practice beforehand and I'm sure it will be fine.

01:09:09 ◼   ► - It's also annoying when you're downloading a new app

01:09:11 ◼   ► from the App Store.

01:09:12 ◼   ► App Store purchases have the same thing,

01:09:13 ◼   ► where you have to double tap that thing, the side button.

01:09:16 ◼   ► If you hold your phone in your left hand,

01:09:18 ◼   ► that's surprisingly hard to do

01:09:21 ◼   ► without hitting any other buttons accidentally.

01:09:23 ◼   ► So it's not a good gesture.

01:09:26 ◼   ► I also wonder, why does that need to be there?

01:09:29 ◼   ► Why can't you just tap on the screen?

01:09:31 ◼   ► - Or swipe up from the bottom,

01:09:32 ◼   ► or do literally anything else.

01:09:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, why can't there be an on-screen gesture to do that?

01:09:37 ◼   ► I don't understand why that has to be

01:09:38 ◼   ► the only way to approve payments.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Like maybe if you're like holding your phone down

01:09:42 ◼   ► like on a subway turnstile, you want something

01:09:45 ◼   ► that's not on the screen to activate it, I guess?

01:09:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I think you want a hardware thing

01:09:48 ◼   ► as a fallback.

01:09:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, but like why can't I just tap a button on screen

01:09:52 ◼   ► saying, you know, pay?

01:09:53 ◼   ► Like I don't understand why I need to double tap

01:09:56 ◼   ► a hardware button while Face ID has already authenticated me.

01:09:59 ◼   ► That doesn't make sense to me.

01:10:00 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, especially since you have to do Face ID

01:10:02 ◼   ► anyway before that.

01:10:03 ◼   ► - So it knows I'm right here.

01:10:04 ◼   ► Like it just, yeah, that's like the one,

01:10:08 ◼   ► There's one of two changes to iOS that really, I think,

01:10:12 ◼   ► were wrong calls to accommodate for this phone.

01:10:15 ◼   ► That and Control Center's location.

01:10:19 ◼   ► I really hope that iOS 12 changes both of those things

01:10:23 ◼   ► or gives us options to change those things

01:10:26 ◼   ► because most of iOS has adapted somewhat gracefully,

01:10:30 ◼   ► at least, to this phone, but that double tap

01:10:34 ◼   ► to confirm payment and the Control Center

01:10:36 ◼   ► being completely unreachable.

01:10:39 ◼   ► Those are big problems.

01:10:41 ◼   ► - Where would you put Control Center if not there?

01:10:44 ◼   ► Because I agree with you 100% that it is really

01:10:47 ◼   ► an inconvenient location, but I'm at a loss

01:10:51 ◼   ► as to where it should go.

01:10:52 ◼   ► - You could swap it for reachability,

01:10:54 ◼   ► swipe down on the home indicator,

01:10:55 ◼   ► which doesn't make sense physically, but you can try it.

01:10:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I turned on reachability,

01:11:00 ◼   ► I figured I might need to use it 'cause the phone's so tall,

01:11:02 ◼   ► and I really have a hard time activating that, honestly.

01:11:05 ◼   ► it is not an easy gesture to do,

01:11:08 ◼   ► because the area that you have to swipe down in

01:11:11 ◼   ► doesn't have a lot of height,

01:11:13 ◼   ► and it's already at the very bottom of the phone,

01:11:14 ◼   ► so if you reach all the way to the bottom,

01:11:15 ◼   ► which ironically for a feature named Reachability

01:11:17 ◼   ► is actually not that easy,

01:11:19 ◼   ► and then swipe down, which is also not that easy

01:11:21 ◼   ► from already being at the bottom,

01:11:23 ◼   ► so that's not an easy gesture to do.

01:11:25 ◼   ► There's lots of options

01:11:27 ◼   ► where they could put Control Center.

01:11:28 ◼   ► I think some of them could be certain,

01:11:31 ◼   ► maybe if you swipe up when you're already

01:11:33 ◼   ► on the home screen, you know, something like that,

01:11:36 ◼   ► or it could be like the top half of notification center,

01:11:40 ◼   ► somehow, like there's other, you could like swipe,

01:11:42 ◼   ► and it could be on the widget screen,

01:11:44 ◼   ► like there are so many places that they could put it.

01:11:48 ◼   ► You know, I hope they figure something out that's better,

01:11:50 ◼   ► because where they put it now is,

01:11:53 ◼   ► they've basically taken the controls

01:11:56 ◼   ► that you are more likely than average

01:11:58 ◼   ► to have to use while holding the phone

01:12:00 ◼   ► one-handed on the move,

01:12:02 ◼   ► and they have put them in the location

01:12:03 ◼   ► that has the least possible to reach in that situation.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So I think where they put it now is so bad

01:12:11 ◼   ► that pretty much any other option would be better.

01:12:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think Control Center itself could use some help,

01:12:16 ◼   ► and other people have mentioned this,

01:12:17 ◼   ► like the lock screen now suddenly becomes much more usable

01:12:20 ◼   ► when it's not, you know, when face ID is in the mix,

01:12:24 ◼   ► like the fact that we can wake the phone up

01:12:26 ◼   ► by touching the screen now means that suddenly,

01:12:28 ◼   ► if I could configurable things from Control Center

01:12:31 ◼   ► on the screen instead of just flashlight,

01:12:32 ◼   ► What is the other one?

01:12:33 ◼   ► It's flashlight and camera, which you don't even need a camera there because you can swipe

01:12:38 ◼   ► from the side.

01:12:39 ◼   ► There are a few other options.

01:12:40 ◼   ► There's like Apple TV Vermotes and stuff, but they made it slightly configurable on

01:12:45 ◼   ► iOS 11, which was nice.

01:12:46 ◼   ► It was welcome, but yeah, they could do a lot more.

01:12:49 ◼   ► There's a lot of room on the screen, and Control Center itself from whenever they changed

01:12:52 ◼   ► this new Control Center.

01:12:53 ◼   ► I guess it was iOS 11.

01:12:54 ◼   ► Yeah, you can configure it by saying which things you want in it, but you can't rearrange

01:12:57 ◼   ► it.

01:12:58 ◼   ► And the ones you configure get to go down in the other area as they slowly built.

01:13:02 ◼   ► There's a lot of room for improvement and customization there.

01:13:05 ◼   ► And some of that might actually help with the reachability control center.

01:13:08 ◼   ► Not the activation, but once you activate it, if things can be nearer the upper right,

01:13:13 ◼   ► because that's where your thumb's gonna be, because that's where it just was to activate

01:13:16 ◼   ► it, like it just changes the calculus on how easy it is to reach things.

01:13:19 ◼   ► And while we're on this topic of Marco talking about the reachability gesture being tricky,

01:13:25 ◼   ► before we get to Face ID, the other important aspect of this phone, the lack of a home button,

01:13:32 ◼   ► manifests in all of us learning about the lovely swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone

01:13:37 ◼   ► 10 gesture, which is the replacement for hitting the home button, and also depending on how

01:13:41 ◼   ► fast you do it to get you into multitasking and stuff like that.

01:13:43 ◼   ► But really, one of the most common operations we all do on iPhones and have been doing for

01:13:47 ◼   ► a long time is essentially hitting the home button to go home.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Face ID and touch ID, which we'll talk about in a bit, is a separate thing.

01:13:58 ◼   ► And when you talk about touching the home button, sometimes it gets confused with Face

01:14:03 ◼   ► ID.

01:14:04 ◼   ► It's like, "Well, you have to try Face ID multiple times.

01:14:05 ◼   ► Sometimes your finger is wet, and sometimes you just don't have it at the right angle."

01:14:08 ◼   ► All that is true.

01:14:10 ◼   ► But there's one thing I never have to try to do twice, and that's pressing the home

01:14:14 ◼   ► button for a non-Touch ID purpose.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Yes, I do have to futz with Touch ID.

01:14:20 ◼   ► I do it all the time.

01:14:21 ◼   ► Touch ID is really fast.

01:14:22 ◼   ► It works great most of the time, but every once in a while I have to futz with it.

01:14:25 ◼   ► Never, when I'm using my phone, I'm in an app,

01:14:28 ◼   ► and I still go back to the home screen.

01:14:29 ◼   ► I tend not to double tap for, you know, multitasking,

01:14:32 ◼   ► but even if I did that, single tap or double tap,

01:14:35 ◼   ► it works every time.

01:14:36 ◼   ► I never miss the tap.

01:14:37 ◼   ► I can feel where the button is, and when I press,

01:14:39 ◼   ► it works, physical button, fake home button

01:14:42 ◼   ► that doesn't move, either way it works.

01:14:44 ◼   ► With iPhone X, that gesture to go home,

01:14:47 ◼   ► I don't know how frequently,

01:14:50 ◼   ► but a non-zero amount of the time,

01:14:53 ◼   ► I have to make a second or even a third attempt at the swipe up from bottom gesture.

01:14:56 ◼   ► And remember, there's no case there interfering with me.

01:14:59 ◼   ► The Apple cases do not extend across the bottom.

01:15:01 ◼   ► And I watch my wife use the phone, and she too, every once in a while, has to try that

01:15:06 ◼   ► swipe again.

01:15:07 ◼   ► It's not particularly time consuming, but for a very common operation, this is one of

01:15:12 ◼   ► the aspects of using the phone that feels like a slight downgrade.

01:15:16 ◼   ► The reliability of what used to be a very, very reliable thing, pressing the home button.

01:15:22 ◼   ► now has entered the realm of sort of like Touch ID wear.

01:15:26 ◼   ► You might have to try it again.

01:15:27 ◼   ► And I'm not sure why I'm missing.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Am I missing because I'm not shimmying my hand lower and the phone is larger?

01:15:33 ◼   ► I'm not getting good swipe on it.

01:15:35 ◼   ► Am I missing because I'm just not good at edge swipes because I've had a case and it's

01:15:40 ◼   ► a different thing when the edge has no case and I'm missing the target area?

01:15:43 ◼   ► Am I starting too high?

01:15:44 ◼   ► Am I starting too low?

01:15:46 ◼   ► I don't know what it is, but I'm having to swipe multiple times.

01:15:49 ◼   ► you guys had this experience where you got to make a second attempt at the home gesture?

01:15:54 ◼   ► I feel like I have, but it very quickly got a lot better over time.

01:15:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I have not had any unreliability for that. I mean, it took me maybe a half a day

01:16:03 ◼   ► to get used to it.

01:16:05 ◼   ► You should watch yourself or have someone else watch you to see if you're just instinctively

01:16:08 ◼   ► doing it. Like, swipe up once. Because it's not time consuming. You're already there.

01:16:13 ◼   ► The second swipe is pretty quick, and I don't think I ever have to do it more than two or

01:16:16 ◼   ► three times, but I thought maybe it's just me, so I watched my wife without telling her

01:16:19 ◼   ► that I'm watching her do this, and I've seen her do it as well too.

01:16:22 ◼   ► - Oh my god, to live in your house, Jon.

01:16:24 ◼   ► - It's her phone, so she's mostly using it.

01:16:26 ◼   ► It could be a learning curve thing, I'm willing to acknowledge that, I'm just saying like

01:16:29 ◼   ► first week impressions, first few day impressions, that is happening to me a little bit.

01:16:34 ◼   ► - I mean, while we're on the subject of the home swipe, I think another kind of questionable

01:16:38 ◼   ► area for me is the multitasking gesture.

01:16:42 ◼   ► I know everyone has their little tricks for like, oh, you used to do a little circle,

01:16:45 ◼   ► or you press and hold or whatever else.

01:16:48 ◼   ► But no matter how you do it,

01:16:50 ◼   ► bringing up multitasking takes a little bit more time now.

01:16:53 ◼   ► It's a little bit more error prone.

01:16:55 ◼   ► And if you want to force quit an app,

01:16:58 ◼   ► now granted, I know this is a controversial topic,

01:17:01 ◼   ► and you shouldn't need to force quit apps,

01:17:03 ◼   ► but sometimes you need to force quit apps.

01:17:04 ◼   ► And that is now significantly slower than it was before,

01:17:08 ◼   ► 'cause now you have to, unless I'm missing something.

01:17:11 ◼   ► - Press and hold.

01:17:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, you have to bring up the multitasking switcher,

01:17:15 ◼   ► yourself as slow, then you have to press and hold

01:17:17 ◼   ► on the app to enable the little wiggle mode

01:17:18 ◼   ► like they have on the home screen,

01:17:19 ◼   ► although they don't wiggle anymore,

01:17:20 ◼   ► and then hit the minus button to force quit it.

01:17:23 ◼   ► And that is significantly more gestures and more time

01:17:27 ◼   ► than double tap the home button, swipe up,

01:17:30 ◼   ► which is the previous way to terminate that.

01:17:32 ◼   ► - I like that because it's punishing habitual force quitters.

01:17:35 ◼   ► - It is, but it is also, the problem with the

01:17:40 ◼   ► force quit controversy, the reason why

01:17:44 ◼   ► we can't just say like, oh, you should never need

01:17:46 ◼   ► to force quit apps, is because sometimes

01:17:48 ◼   ► you do need to force quit apps.

01:17:49 ◼   ► It's hard to look at something like this

01:17:51 ◼   ► where it makes the force quit a lot harder to do

01:17:53 ◼   ► and a lot more hidden of a thing you can do.

01:17:56 ◼   ► It's hard to look at that and say,

01:17:57 ◼   ► well, that's a definite clear win

01:17:59 ◼   ► because you shouldn't need to do this.

01:18:01 ◼   ► 'Cause yeah, you shouldn't need to do it,

01:18:03 ◼   ► but you do need to do it.

01:18:04 ◼   ► You know, so like, and maybe not for battery life

01:18:07 ◼   ► for reasons necessarily, although sometimes

01:18:09 ◼   ► that is the reason, some apps you do need to do that

01:18:12 ◼   ► for battery life, but it's a kind of thing

01:18:16 ◼   ► where it would be nice if you never had to do this,

01:18:19 ◼   ► and then you could make it impossible to quit an app,

01:18:21 ◼   ► because why even have a way if you never have to do it?

01:18:24 ◼   ► But we do still have to do it,

01:18:26 ◼   ► and so to make it harder is annoying.

01:18:29 ◼   ► - It's not that much harder.

01:18:30 ◼   ► The press and hold, I'm the hater of press and hold

01:18:32 ◼   ► as much as anybody.

01:18:33 ◼   ► I hit any action where I have to do something

01:18:35 ◼   ► for a set amount of time and there's no way to speed it up,

01:18:37 ◼   ► but for this action, I mean, I don't do it often enough

01:18:41 ◼   ► that I would be annoyed by the press and hold,

01:18:43 ◼   ► because once you press and hold, you're in the mode

01:18:45 ◼   ► and you can kill multiple apps by going kill, kill, kill,

01:18:47 ◼   ► kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill,

01:18:48 ◼   ► so people can still do that.

01:18:49 ◼   ► There's just a slight delay when you do press and hold

01:18:51 ◼   ► to get into the mode.

01:18:53 ◼   ► I'm more with you on multitasking,

01:18:55 ◼   ► which I find very difficult to get into,

01:18:56 ◼   ► mostly because you have to like either pull up slowly,

01:19:00 ◼   ► like there's a whole bunch of moves.

01:19:01 ◼   ► You can still, the thing that they added that I think

01:19:03 ◼   ► is nice is if you want to switch back and forth on apps,

01:19:05 ◼   ► you can swipe side to side with no delay.

01:19:07 ◼   ► Like you don't have to do any weird motion,

01:19:09 ◼   ► But if you wanna bring up the switcher,

01:19:11 ◼   ► especially, especially, this kills me,

01:19:13 ◼   ► if you wanna bring up the multitasking switcher

01:19:15 ◼   ► from the home screen,

01:19:16 ◼   ► I would wonder if you just surveyed people,

01:19:17 ◼   ► new iPhone 10 users, ask them, this is hard,

01:19:20 ◼   ► find new iPhone 10 users who know about

01:19:22 ◼   ► the multitasking switcher,

01:19:23 ◼   ► but don't know whether or not you can bring it

01:19:27 ◼   ► from the home screen and ask them,

01:19:28 ◼   ► "Hey, can you bring up the multitasking switcher

01:19:29 ◼   ► from the home screen?

01:19:31 ◼   ► I bet people think you can't do it."

01:19:32 ◼   ► Because that gesture for some weird reason

01:19:34 ◼   ► is so much harder for me to do

01:19:36 ◼   ► than it is from within an application.

01:19:38 ◼   ► Do you guys find that?

01:19:39 ◼   ► - No.

01:19:40 ◼   ► - You don't have a problem, go do it now.

01:19:41 ◼   ► Take out your phone right now.

01:19:42 ◼   ► - I've been doing it during this entire conversation

01:19:44 ◼   ► and I have about a maybe two-thirds success rate.

01:19:47 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:19:48 ◼   ► Don't do it.

01:19:49 ◼   ► - Wait, you're talking about the come up and stop

01:19:51 ◼   ► or the inverted L?

01:19:52 ◼   ► - From the home, from Springboard.

01:19:54 ◼   ► Go to Springboard and bring up the multitasking switcher.

01:19:57 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, yeah.

01:19:58 ◼   ► - I find that very difficult to do.

01:19:59 ◼   ► Bring up the multitasking switcher from apps is just slow,

01:20:02 ◼   ► but I don't fail at it.

01:20:03 ◼   ► From the home screen, I fail at it.

01:20:05 ◼   ► - It's the same exact gesture.

01:20:06 ◼   ► - I know, it shouldn't be, what's different?

01:20:09 ◼   ► I don't know what's different.

01:20:10 ◼   ► All I know is that I am not,

01:20:11 ◼   ► is it because they hide the home indicator

01:20:13 ◼   ► and I somehow need that line on the bottom of the screen?

01:20:15 ◼   ► I don't know what the problem is.

01:20:16 ◼   ► - Oh, interesting, okay.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I can understand that.

01:20:18 ◼   ► - Maybe I'm miss aiming.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Swiping up from the bottom is not my forte, let me tell you.

01:20:25 ◼   ► And again, this could just be a learning curve,

01:20:27 ◼   ► but initially, like the first 10 seconds I'm using the phone

01:20:30 ◼   ► I thought, oh, you can't bring up

01:20:31 ◼   ► the multi-sensing swisher from home?

01:20:32 ◼   ► That's what I thought.

01:20:33 ◼   ► And then eventually I figured out how to do it.

01:20:35 ◼   ► But despite that, after figuring out how to do it,

01:20:39 ◼   ► I would go to the home screen and be like,

01:20:40 ◼   ► all right, we're gonna do it this time.

01:20:42 ◼   ► Ah, nothing, I'm swiping up uselessly.

01:20:44 ◼   ► Try again, do I have to go faster, slower,

01:20:46 ◼   ► am I starting in the wrong spot?

01:20:47 ◼   ► And then eventually it comes up.

01:20:49 ◼   ► But I'll point out this is another area.

01:20:51 ◼   ► Double tapping the home button

01:20:53 ◼   ► works every time the first time.

01:20:54 ◼   ► I can find the button, I double tap it,

01:20:56 ◼   ► it always brings up the multi-tasking switcher.

01:20:58 ◼   ► - Not if you have a triple tap shortcut

01:20:59 ◼   ► for an accessibility feature enabled.

01:21:01 ◼   ► - Oh, I don't have that.

01:21:03 ◼   ► - Then it fails a lot. - You have these features

01:21:04 ◼   ► - For app development, I'm sure that you have to test

01:21:06 ◼   ► all this stuff, but I don't have that stuff.

01:21:08 ◼   ► - My life changed when I could just have Siri

01:21:11 ◼   ► turn on a voiceover.

01:21:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:21:13 ◼   ► Then I could finally turn off the triple click,

01:21:15 ◼   ► 'cause there were so many times when I would try

01:21:17 ◼   ► to open up the app switcher, accidentally triple click,

01:21:20 ◼   ► instead of double clicking, because the button

01:21:21 ◼   ► was a little bit mushy or something.

01:21:23 ◼   ► And then somewhere out in the world where I'm in public,

01:21:25 ◼   ► my phone says, "Voiceover on!"

01:21:27 ◼   ► "Yeah, turn it off, turn it off!"

01:21:30 ◼   ► - I will say that I spoke to Aaron very briefly

01:21:33 ◼   ► before I recorded and asked her what she thought of her phone. And one of the things that she

01:21:39 ◼   ► really did not like was the change in multitasking, because she felt like it was considerably

01:21:46 ◼   ► more fiddly. And there are, like Marco was saying, there are occasions when she will

01:21:52 ◼   ► want or need to force quit an app, and it was really annoying to her that the new mechanism

01:21:57 ◼   ► is so slow.

01:21:59 ◼   ► What are these occasions, and why are you both encouraging people to do this?

01:22:01 ◼   ► - You know what, it's gonna be really bad.

01:22:03 ◼   ► It's gonna be next fall when we're trying to order

01:22:06 ◼   ► a replacement to this phone using the Apple Store app

01:22:08 ◼   ► on the phone and trying to force-quit it over and over again

01:22:10 ◼   ► to get it at three in the morning.

01:22:11 ◼   ► - Oh God, you're right. - It's gonna be a disaster.

01:22:13 ◼   ► - Think about that.

01:22:15 ◼   ► - We're all gonna fail.

01:22:16 ◼   ► - So Casey, when are you encouraging Aaron to,

01:22:19 ◼   ► why is she force-quitting apps?

01:22:21 ◼   ► Why, what is she doing this for?

01:22:23 ◼   ► - I don't know why you're so deeply offended by this.

01:22:26 ◼   ► She is not a habitual force-quitter,

01:22:28 ◼   ► but there are times when apps do things that are not right.

01:22:31 ◼   ► - I'm like, "What, when, which apps?

01:22:32 ◼   ► "Does she use Facebook?"

01:22:33 ◼   ► I'm trying to figure it out.

01:22:34 ◼   ► - Well, yes, she does use Facebook,

01:22:35 ◼   ► but I don't have to frickin' justify her actions to you.

01:22:38 ◼   ► You're not the boss of her.

01:22:39 ◼   ► - I know, I know, but I'm just saying,

01:22:42 ◼   ► shouldn't you be saying,

01:22:44 ◼   ► if force quitting is such an important part

01:22:46 ◼   ► of your iPhone workflow, what's going on there?

01:22:50 ◼   ► Are you using an application that always misbehaves

01:22:52 ◼   ► that you have to use anyway?

01:22:53 ◼   ► Because I don't think it should be a regular part of people.

01:22:57 ◼   ► It should only be when an app is broken or misbehaving.

01:23:00 ◼   ► And if an app is broken or misbehaving--

01:23:02 ◼   ► You know what? A lot of apps are broken and misbehave all the time. Like Facebook.

01:23:06 ◼   ► But if they're broken or misbehaving frequently, you stop using that app.

01:23:09 ◼   ► Like, broken means you come back to the app and the screen is all black or whatever.

01:23:13 ◼   ► Tell people to stop using Facebook. Good luck with that.

01:23:16 ◼   ► Well, I know. That's why I'm asking. That's why I'm asking.

01:23:19 ◼   ► If it's Facebook, you can say, "Oh, it's because she uses Facebook."

01:23:21 ◼   ► And I'd say, "Okay, well, that's why it's important."

01:23:23 ◼   ► But I figured you'd know what it is.

01:23:25 ◼   ► I don't pay attention to how often I force quit apps.

01:23:28 ◼   ► I feel like maybe once a day I'll force quit an app.

01:23:31 ◼   ► And I would say the only reason I do it

01:23:33 ◼   ► is because I feel like that app is misbehaving.

01:23:36 ◼   ► Now which app--

01:23:36 ◼   ► - That's where you start getting into the voodoo.

01:23:38 ◼   ► You feel like, "I feel like this app is bad."

01:23:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:23:43 ◼   ► - No, the problem, no, Jon, you're misconstruing--

01:23:45 ◼   ► - And I wanna make it stop being bad.

01:23:47 ◼   ► And then you force quit it, and you're like,

01:23:49 ◼   ► "I've stopped it from being bad.

01:23:50 ◼   ► "Now I feel better."

01:23:51 ◼   ► - You're misconstruing me not being able

01:23:53 ◼   ► to cite a specific example

01:23:55 ◼   ► with me just doing it because magic.

01:23:57 ◼   ► It's not that I'm doing it because magic.

01:23:59 ◼   ► It's not magic, but you don't have enough instrumentation in iOS to really, really know

01:24:04 ◼   ► whether what you're doing is helping or not.

01:24:07 ◼   ► It makes you feel better, but are you doing like scientific tests to, you know, A/B tests,

01:24:12 ◼   ► force quitting, not force quitting?

01:24:13 ◼   ► No, you're not.

01:24:14 ◼   ► You're just saying, "I get the feeling that this thing is doing a thing that I don't want,

01:24:17 ◼   ► and I want to stop it."

01:24:18 ◼   ► No, no, no, that's...

01:24:19 ◼   ► But, okay, so let me give you an example that does not happen often, but I know you're not

01:24:23 ◼   ► going to let this go until the king is satisfied.

01:24:25 ◼   ► So as an example, on occasion, Tweetbot will be in, I know, okay, Twitter, blah, blah,

01:24:30 ◼   ► blah.

01:24:31 ◼   ► Tweetbot will be confused as to whether or not it can be in streaming mode.

01:24:36 ◼   ► And when I'm on Wi-Fi, I prefer to use Tweetbot in streaming mode.

01:24:39 ◼   ► That's a buggy app.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Yeah, all right.

01:24:41 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:24:42 ◼   ► But it's an example.

01:24:44 ◼   ► You're not letting this go until I cite a specific example.

01:24:47 ◼   ► That is a specific example.

01:24:48 ◼   ► Yeah, all right, all right.

01:24:50 ◼   ► I mean, what I'm saying is that you have a higher tolerance for using buggy applications

01:24:53 ◼   ► then you deal with that by saying, "Well, I know sometimes it gets confused when I change

01:24:57 ◼   ► from cellular to Wi-Fi about whether it can use screening, but my fix is I just force

01:25:01 ◼   ► quit it."

01:25:02 ◼   ► And that becomes part of your workflow, essentially.

01:25:03 ◼   ► You know that's a thing that happens with the app, but you still want to use the app,

01:25:06 ◼   ► so you force quit it.

01:25:07 ◼   ► And I guess I just don't have apps that I use that do that.

01:25:11 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:25:12 ◼   ► And again, you're overblowing the amount of times that I do this.

01:25:15 ◼   ► Once a day, you said.

01:25:17 ◼   ► Average.

01:25:18 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:25:19 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe once a day across all the different apps that I use during the day.

01:25:22 ◼   ► I'm trying to think back to the last time I force quit anything on my phone. I guess

01:25:26 ◼   ► it was probably the night we ordered the thing, because you know, you had it to make the Apple

01:25:29 ◼   ► store app refresh its stuff. But I think that's the last time I did it. And had I not ordered

01:25:33 ◼   ► an iPhone at 3 a.m., I would have, like, what's the time before that that I had forced quit?

01:25:38 ◼   ► I would be hard-pressed to say.

01:25:39 ◼   ► And Marco, can you defend me on this one? Or you leave me out to dry?

01:25:43 ◼   ► He's force quitting his own apps because he's writing them and they have bugs.

01:25:45 ◼   ► No, I don't need apps that force quit my own app. If you hit stop and Xcode, it force quits

01:25:49 ◼   ► it.

01:25:50 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

01:25:51 ◼   ► - No, I will usually force quit maybe one app

01:25:56 ◼   ► every one to two days for some reason.

01:25:58 ◼   ► And they're usually, I think, decent reasons.

01:26:01 ◼   ► And I don't think that's an unhealthy frequency

01:26:03 ◼   ► or an unusual one.

01:26:05 ◼   ► - I would not have guessed those numbers.

01:26:07 ◼   ► 'Cause like I said, maybe you use more apps than I do

01:26:10 ◼   ► or try more new apps or more of the apps you use every day.

01:26:13 ◼   ► 'Cause if you use an app every day

01:26:14 ◼   ► that has an annoying thing like that,

01:26:15 ◼   ► like for example, the last time I force quit an app

01:26:18 ◼   ► on my wife's phone was when you're setting up

01:26:20 ◼   ► her iPhone 10 and for whatever reason,

01:26:23 ◼   ► Twitteriffic, here you go Casey,

01:26:24 ◼   ► Twitteriffic was having some problem where it was,

01:26:27 ◼   ► we could switch to one of her Twitter accounts,

01:26:29 ◼   ► but not to another one, don't even ask.

01:26:32 ◼   ► And like, it would just go on the screen,

01:26:35 ◼   ► it would be like, I would say like contacting Twitter

01:26:37 ◼   ► servers or something like that.

01:26:38 ◼   ► And I deleted the cache in Twitteriffic,

01:26:40 ◼   ► which is a nice diagnostic tool that Twitteriffic gives you.

01:26:42 ◼   ► And that did not help in this case.

01:26:44 ◼   ► And so I had to force quit it,

01:26:46 ◼   ► because it was just kind of like stuck on that screen.

01:26:48 ◼   ► And I think that was like,

01:26:50 ◼   ► You should use less buggy apps.

01:26:52 ◼   ► Yeah, well, that's like you ported your stuff

01:26:54 ◼   ► into a new phone, and we're trying--

01:26:56 ◼   ► it was restored from iCloud to backup.

01:26:58 ◼   ► And sometimes there are some problems getting back up

01:27:00 ◼   ► and running on that.

01:27:02 ◼   ► But that's it.

01:27:02 ◼   ► And then after that, it's fine.

01:27:04 ◼   ► So that's the last time I did it for a buggy app reason,

01:27:06 ◼   ► but that wasn't on my phone.

01:27:08 ◼   ► And that was like a first setup where

01:27:09 ◼   ► you're trying to make sure you're

01:27:10 ◼   ► signed into all the accounts and re-adding everything

01:27:12 ◼   ► to Apple Wallet.

01:27:12 ◼   ► And it's in the middle of god knows whatever photo analyzing

01:27:15 ◼   ► stuff that it's doing.

01:27:16 ◼   ► The initial setup is always kind of weird.

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01:28:48 ◼   ► - Well, in any case, so one of the things that Erin said

01:28:54 ◼   ► was that she's frustrated with the multitasking.

01:28:58 ◼   ► She didn't give a crap about the notch either,

01:29:00 ◼   ► in a good way, she doesn't really notice it.

01:29:03 ◼   ► She was very, and this is gonna, I guess,

01:29:05 ◼   ► segue us into face ID, she was very grumbly

01:29:11 ◼   ► about the angle of attack necessary for Face ID to work.

01:29:16 ◼   ► So by that I mean, I think a lot of times

01:29:19 ◼   ► she'll be like sitting on a couch or something like that

01:29:21 ◼   ► and maybe reclined or just in a position where the phone,

01:29:25 ◼   ► she wants to unlock her phone,

01:29:28 ◼   ► but the phone isn't necessarily looking at her.

01:29:31 ◼   ► And she was really annoyed that she has to have

01:29:35 ◼   ► some amount of consideration of what the phone needs

01:29:39 ◼   ► order to unlock her phone and she found that really frustrating and you know what I

01:29:43 ◼   ► Think she's right now. It doesn't bother me as much

01:29:46 ◼   ► I don't think because I think more often than not the phone is staring where I'm staring longingly into my phone's

01:29:52 ◼   ► infrared eyeballs as I'm trying to unlock it, but

01:29:55 ◼   ► but but I

01:29:58 ◼   ► Guess for whatever reason I mean because mom because Erin because any number of reasons she she felt like she was

01:30:05 ◼   ► frequently getting tripped up by

01:30:08 ◼   ► Face ID not unlocking because the phone wasn't angled

01:30:13 ◼   ► Exactly, right and where it seemed to bother her quite a bit

01:30:17 ◼   ► It bothers me only a teeny bit and the other thing she said was and not specifically around Face ID

01:30:24 ◼   ► But mostly around Face ID like this did bleed into other places like multitasking as an example

01:30:29 ◼   ► But she just said that every she said everything just seems slower, you know

01:30:35 ◼   ► So as an example, double tapping a home button is much quicker than the swipe up and stop.

01:30:41 ◼   ► The most recent touch ID is instant, and face ID is not instant.

01:30:48 ◼   ► And I was talking to somebody just earlier tonight actually, and I was saying to them,

01:30:51 ◼   ► you know, if I take off my developer hat, I am actually lightly annoyed about how slow

01:30:59 ◼   ► face ID is, because it is noticeably slow.

01:31:03 ◼   ► Is it egregiously slow?

01:31:05 ◼   ► No, it is not, but it is noticeably slower

01:31:08 ◼   ► than the most recent Touch ID.

01:31:10 ◼   ► Now, when I put my developer hat back on,

01:31:12 ◼   ► it is a friggin' miracle that this thing shipped

01:31:14 ◼   ► in this quantity in the year 2017.

01:31:16 ◼   ► Like, how is this even possible?

01:31:18 ◼   ► How is it this quick?

01:31:20 ◼   ► How is it possible to do all that computation that quick?

01:31:22 ◼   ► But when I take my developer hat off,

01:31:24 ◼   ► how is it this slow?

01:31:26 ◼   ► Why would they have shipped it?