00:00:04 ◼ ► Man, and I didn't put on logging on colloquy this time. So I don't know if I can easily get to it. I'm sorry
00:00:14 ◼ ► Casey's computer corner. All right. He's computer corner got a lot of suggestions. Wow. All right. I've got all our titles here ready
00:01:07 ◼ ► Those are all the keyboard commands that I type to get those titles out of the colloquy chat
00:01:14 ◼ ► Remove everything except for the tile suggestions remove everything except for the titles themselves and then paste them into slack
00:01:21 ◼ ► All from the keyboard I would have followed that easier if you were talking about destiny. I wanted to do one more I would do
00:01:40 ◼ ► I have keyboard like I have keyboard shortcuts assigned to individual checkboxes in BB edit dialog
00:02:02 ◼ ► But I do you but the thing is about these key commands is where I had to think about it
00:02:10 ◼ ► I have to like do them in my mind with my fingers and figure out what modifier keys they're hitting because they're so, you know
00:02:16 ◼ ► ingrained the the one I was using for getting the things called process lines and it can do more than
00:02:22 ◼ ► Just what I had to do but process lines. I was doing say I have a bunch of lines selected
00:02:36 ◼ ► You know get lines that don't match get lines that do get matching lines into the clipboard
00:03:01 ◼ ► So call recording echo that you were hearing before is gone. That is correct. So you sound normal to yourself
00:03:07 ◼ ► You sound normal to us. I sound normal to you. I sound normal to me. Everything hypothetically is copacetic. Oh my god
00:03:19 ◼ ► What computer are you recording on right now? I like with to ask this every week. Yeah, you really do this is so bad
00:03:30 ◼ ► But I didn't have time to execute the fact that the response begins with so I know it's gonna be good
00:03:35 ◼ ► There's gonna be a story here. It's gonna be some shenanigans. All right, what's going on? All right
00:03:40 ◼ ► so over the weekend, I thought to myself self what you need to do is you need to go back to Mojave and
00:03:46 ◼ ► That will at least give you more time on this broken iMac that I really just don't want to continue to mess with and
00:03:52 ◼ ► So today I finally have the time to sit down and do that and it occurred to me that I can't do
00:04:01 ◼ ► I can't do any sort of like internet recovery to get to Mojave and the only way I can get Mojave is to use a USB
00:04:06 ◼ ► Key, which I had built when Mojave was first out, but I didn't even know if I had that at first
00:04:12 ◼ ► So I find this USB key. I'm very excited very proud of past Casey. I go and I boot off the USB key
00:04:18 ◼ ► That works. No problem. I delete the existing, you know partitions or whatever. They're called in APFS world on on the onboard SSD
00:04:27 ◼ ► Okay install macro s Mojave or whatever it says in the installer and I click that and then I click continue and continue goes gray
00:04:45 ◼ ► This is something that Marco you have been saying a lot lately that I would like to echo
00:04:49 ◼ ► Why can we never get feedback from Apple when something doesn't go according to plan? Why?
00:04:54 ◼ ► Man to hell there's a whole log window on the installer, right? Is there yeah, you know, look at the log window
00:05:00 ◼ ► I didn't know there was one. That's totally a log window. I don't doubt it. I'm not arguing
00:05:04 ◼ ► It's just I had no idea you can get it to show everything or just errors. It's okay. I believe you
00:05:11 ◼ ► But anyway one way or another it just froze as far as I was concerned and I didn't know the magical incantation
00:05:15 ◼ ► And this is where somebody's already tweeting at me. No, you idiot if you just go to the view menu. It's right there
00:05:28 ◼ ► Some line where it says doing the the whatever thing and then it just would have been on that line for 20 minutes
00:05:34 ◼ ► One way or another I I decide okay. Well, this isn't working. So what's the next best thing?
00:05:45 ◼ ► Well, you came up after that. That was it for your Mojave. I tried a couple times tried it a couple times. Yeah, did you?
00:05:51 ◼ ► How did you erase the disk? How did you delete all the stuff? Because I have a feeling that's where things went wrong for you
00:05:57 ◼ ► So I booted using the Mojave USB key and went into disk utility and I deleted all the partitions on the hard drive
00:06:05 ◼ ► Did you reformat like the whole thing and put in a new partition table and instead of just removing the the first time?
00:06:29 ◼ ► Was nothing and so eventually I said I screwed. All right, I'll do an internet recovery of Catalina, which I did and
00:06:54 ◼ ► Finally made a decision and I think what I'm going to do is I think tomorrow I'm going to order a custom
00:07:36 ◼ ► Feel like the best decision right now leaving Plex aside which we're going to talk about in a minute
00:07:42 ◼ ► Leaving Plex aside the best decision for right now for me is to get the 16-inch see what I see how I feel about it
00:08:21 ◼ ► Mega air quotes here all of the power of the Mac Pro that I would buy the excuse me the iMac Pro that I would
00:08:28 ◼ ► Buy I know that's not strictly true. I'm just saying for the purposes of this conversation. I think it's probably good enough
00:08:39 ◼ ► I would likely buy it's got the portability to a degree that I still want and I can always put
00:08:52 ◼ ► You know an iMac monitor and end up basically where I am now except the computer is actually reliable who'd have thought how desperate is my?
00:09:06 ◼ ► Anyway, so I think tomorrow or maybe at the end of the week people are pointing out on Black Friday
00:09:25 ◼ ► I think I want but before we get there any commentary thoughts input from you Marco. I don't hear what John has to say
00:09:32 ◼ ► I know what John has to say. What's your plan for the monitor? So I'm wrestling with three well, I
00:09:43 ◼ ► Guess one and a half or two and a half options. So the most obvious option is just get the LG ultra fine
00:09:49 ◼ ► Whatever it's called, which is like $1,300 or something like that, which is a lot of money, especially when the computer
00:10:27 ◼ ► It's not as much real estate on either panel as the 5k and it might even be that it's not as much in
00:10:41 ◼ ► And the monitor that I had which admittedly was not great, but for my purposes was more than enough
00:10:53 ◼ ► It was some 4k display that ran just fine and it was sufficient and it's like 200 or 250 bucks
00:11:00 ◼ ► So I could get two of these for like 500 ish dollars. You have four of them for the price of the LG or five
00:11:28 ◼ ► Presumably run in clamshell when shy and which Marco I'd like you to tell me what you told me in slack the other day in
00:11:34 ◼ ► presumably I would run in clamshell at that point and have these two identical monitors side by side of my desk and
00:11:47 ◼ ► 250 bucks whatever it is for this monitor and then if I want another one, I just get another one
00:11:51 ◼ ► It's not that big a deal like $250. It's a lot of money, but all told it's not an unreasonable amount of money
00:12:04 ◼ ► and by the way first before I get to that we've heard from anonymous tipster in the chat that I
00:12:20 ◼ ► I didn't know that so you have you have a little bit longer on Apple's standard return policy right now
00:12:36 ◼ ► We were hearing from different friends and listeners who were talking about how you know, they use their laptop
00:12:44 ◼ ► I talked about it here like I for years I had my 15 inch laptop or my 13 inch MacBook, you know at certain times
00:13:02 ◼ ► Seems to be whether you use clamshell mode on the laptop. It's whether you keep the laptop closed and plugged up into it
00:13:07 ◼ ► Or whether you open the laptop and use its screen in addition to the monitor that you had possibly up on a stand to make
00:13:33 ◼ ► Seems there seems to be no end in sight to its flakiness. It seems like it's it has been flaky
00:13:38 ◼ ► It will be flaky as things were things will always be like it's just it will always be problematic for various reasons
00:13:43 ◼ ► But if you leave a laptop open and use it as one of your monitors that seems to work a lot better
00:14:01 ◼ ► Yeah, and that's what I did at work was I did clamshell and the two identical monitors and it actually worked
00:14:14 ◼ ► Especially like like we have to grade on the KC curve here like for you saying something worked mostly well, that's pretty bad actually
00:14:28 ◼ ► Real-time follow-up from me to me the monitor. I was talking about I think I said 22. It's actually a 24 inch LG monitor
00:14:51 ◼ ► I'm not trying to say $250 isn't a lot of money, but for what you're getting that is not a lot of money
00:15:00 ◼ ► Nothing. This is one of those things where like if you're willing to accept something that isn't quite a hundred percent of what everyone else
00:15:06 ◼ ► Considers like greater or like the maximum you can save a disproportionate amount of money. It's like like jumping from
00:15:19 ◼ ► It's like you can you can have a 5k monitor or you can have a 6k monitor for about five times the price
00:15:39 ◼ ► Oh, I didn't realize that like you did because we talked about it when I first got it for my PlayStation
00:15:45 ◼ ► Cuz we were looking at the stickers and all that I'd forgotten about that. That's such a terrible stand though
00:15:49 ◼ ► I still don't like the stand. Oh, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. There's nothing I can do to defend the stand
00:16:02 ◼ ► Like I can't have any part of my body touching the desk cuz then little it'll do a little head wobble
00:16:36 ◼ ► I'm not saying this is perfect, but for the purposes of doing the normal things that I do writing code
00:16:45 ◼ ► writing blog posts like for all of those sorts of things this is more than sufficient and
00:17:15 ◼ ► but since it's only 250 bucks like just give it a shot man like try it for a little while and
00:17:20 ◼ ► Even if you don't like it, it's not gonna be the end of the earth. So current plan I think is 16-inch MacBook Pro again
00:17:33 ◼ ► External monitor maybe two but probably just one and just see what I think about it and see how it goes
00:17:50 ◼ ► and then you're gonna and then your desktop thing is gonna be an ugly cheap monitor with a bunch of cables snaking out of it you're
00:18:07 ◼ ► So this is not an exhaustive, you know deep dive by any means but based on five minutes of research
00:18:12 ◼ ► I didn't find any that looked like they did what I wanted them to do which is I would like two
00:18:26 ◼ ► Hypothetically plug in two of these LG monitors and that basically means two display port outputs from the stocking station
00:18:33 ◼ ► And there was one of I think there was like a Dell that might work with with Mac OS that would do it
00:18:43 ◼ ► Made by either HP or Dell or something like that. So like the Cal digital Thunderbolt port things Thunderbolt dock things
00:18:57 ◼ ► That's what I was getting at with it when I was saying thirty eight hundred dollars for a lot of you don't want and also probably
00:19:04 ◼ ► So now you're spending a whole lot of money for this giant octopus hydra frankenstein thing
00:19:08 ◼ ► But you think it's gonna be more reliable than your single computer that you can't get working
00:19:13 ◼ ► Everything you just said is accurate the Cal digit Cal digit TS 3 plus is wire cutters pick and the problem with that is it only
00:19:25 ◼ ► The monitor has HDMI in two so you might be able to do it like one display port and one HDMI
00:19:31 ◼ ► That's the thing though is when I tried this at work admittedly a couple of years ago when I ran with HDMI
00:19:37 ◼ ► It's exactly what Marco said. It was only 30 Hertz which I said for four and a half seconds
00:19:44 ◼ ► HDMI does support 60 hertz just maybe not on the standards of these things from but I don't know you have to look into it
00:19:51 ◼ ► Just see like I'm saying is that this this dock thing is another place where the the aggregate
00:19:57 ◼ ► Viability of your system can really fall down and if you don't do it, you can plug 17 cables
00:20:02 ◼ ► You got one for power one for one monitor one for the other monitor and then you got a one port left for any other thing
00:20:07 ◼ ► You need to do and that will work but have fun plugging and unplugging that every time you sit on your desk, right?
00:20:12 ◼ ► No, I agree. And so that's why suddenly the LG it's still a lot more money. But the fact that it works as a
00:20:19 ◼ ► Semi docking station is extremely appealing and I think the the problem the biggest problem
00:20:28 ◼ ► $3,800 computer is the same money I would buy I would spend on the damn iMac Pro now the thing that is I can't bring
00:20:39 ◼ ► Exactly, but you take my point is that the this in my fantasy world gets me two computers for the price of one
00:20:48 ◼ ► I know that's not really true. Don't jump all over me. Just hear hear out the spirit of my argument here
00:20:53 ◼ ► It gets me two computers for the price of one whereas the iMac Pro only solves the at-home situation. It does not solve the library slash
00:21:04 ◼ ► 13-inch slash 14-inch comes out I can but I'm so sick of using the adorable with its tiny little screen and it's awful processor
00:21:20 ◼ ► Well actually funny you bring that up earlier today my H key was getting sticky so I took compressed air to it and now
00:21:27 ◼ ► Hours later my left shift key is sticking and I can't get it to work reliably should have held it out the window longer on
00:21:34 ◼ ► So surprised you your butterfly keyboard isn't reliable. I know I imagine that I've heard that before you must be one of the small percentage of customers
00:21:42 ◼ ► I think what what is most likely to happen here is you're going to spend a lot of money on a laptop setup
00:21:50 ◼ ► You're gonna spend so much on it that you're not going to want to ever buy a desktop during its lifetime
00:21:57 ◼ ► But I don't know I mean the kind of like BS and flakiness that John and I find with using laptops as desktops is
00:22:20 ◼ ► I think the idea of buying something with it where you get the $200 gift card like I don't know if that accounts with a
00:22:30 ◼ ► You'd feel a lot better about that purchase and you can feel better waiting patiently for the smaller laptop that you actually want
00:22:41 ◼ ► You know, I have tried the lifestyle of specing up at 15 inch to try to replace a desktop
00:22:47 ◼ ► I've been there only a few years ago. I tried that and it was you know, it was a very expensive mistake
00:23:04 ◼ ► I'm buying a case to bring the desktop to the beach and and I was much happier doing that
00:23:30 ◼ ► You're you're you will not want to make that jump if you've sunk a lot of money into this setup
00:23:41 ◼ ► Replaced more frequently as opposed to you know, like kept forever like, you know replaced every couple of years
00:23:46 ◼ ► Maybe two, you know two to three years. I'd say is like the ideal way to have a laptop if you can and
00:23:54 ◼ ► Like I love using my laptop as a laptop when I have to because I'm not trying to make it a desktop
00:23:59 ◼ ► When I try to make it a desktop is when I start getting miserable with like, oh I can hear the fan
00:24:08 ◼ ► You know, there's issues like that right or like hey, you know, the Ethernet doesn't work reliably out through this dongle
00:24:20 ◼ ► But the question is whether you care more than you care to keep a few thousand more dollars
00:24:31 ◼ ► refurb iMac Pro with the $200 gift card now and wait for the 13 inch that he wants his total aggregate cost is gonna be less than
00:24:49 ◼ ► situation and then still buying the 13 inch when it comes out and trying to figure out how to transform this all into a desktop it
00:24:57 ◼ ► Desktop that you want for as cheap price you can get on Black Friday and then waiting a few months and getting the 13 inch you
00:25:03 ◼ ► Want maybe not spec'd up as much because now the iMac Pro handles their heavy-duty needs and then you're done and there's no like
00:25:08 ◼ ► Fidgeting with that setup. I think that will be less money than what you're describing now
00:25:13 ◼ ► Yes, because and we'll get into specs in a second if you can get away with one of the base models
00:25:24 ◼ ► Generally speaking and you get killed on reset value on the upgrades as we mentioned last week, but also the base models are often
00:25:29 ◼ ► discounted during various sales or things like Black Friday or deals with certain retailers where you know
00:25:43 ◼ ► Really good deals on those base models and they're a good deal to begin with compared to upgrades
00:26:02 ◼ ► Having the world's crappiest laptop as your laptop these last few years because you have a desktop for your heavy lifting. Yeah
00:26:11 ◼ ► sitting here now the specs that I think I want are on the assumption that this is not the
00:26:18 ◼ ► Satellite computer. This is the all the time computer and and my argument is make it the satellite computer
00:26:33 ◼ ► See and I don't know if I feel the same way and if would it would be different if this iMac wasn't such a pile
00:26:45 ◼ ► And don't just try to forget that it's two years old get a good deal on it get your gift card buy something on Black
00:26:54 ◼ ► So you have a reliable podcasting setup and all your Plex stuff is dealt with and then just wait patiently on this program every week
00:27:05 ◼ ► The only downside is that you can't do it all yet because that laptop doesn't exist yet. That's the only downside
00:27:12 ◼ ► So if you can just make it until the spring, I think you'd be better off that being said
00:27:25 ◼ ► Significantly good value compared to a similarly specked up 13 inch or 14 whatever it ends up being
00:27:30 ◼ ► And so if you don't mind the size of the 16 and you want this extra six months of using it
00:27:38 ◼ ► Make the 16 that that computer for you. Just don't spec it up and make it too expensive
00:27:58 ◼ ► the best overall setup and whether you keep your current iMac for a little while longer and tolerate it and just
00:28:16 ◼ ► I mean you shouldn't without like a standing external keyboard and everything but you can a lot of people do
00:28:21 ◼ ► So like if it's if the idea is the setup that you want is not great right now and you want to wait for a while
00:28:34 ◼ ► so I think just spend the seven grand or whatever it would be to get both of these things right now and be done with
00:28:49 ◼ ► yeah, you have jobs that require these things and I feel like you're so stuck on this idea like I don't want to spend
00:29:20 ◼ ► Like seriously, like it doesn't it's it's an irrational thing to say like I just don't like the idea of you know
00:29:27 ◼ ► And look a lot of pricing and buying decisions are irrational. I'm not blaming you for it being irrational
00:29:33 ◼ ► But it is irrational you're saying like I don't want to spend all this money right now. Why?
00:29:42 ◼ ► That's breaking constantly and you have a laptop that's woefully underpowered for the things you want to do with it
00:29:53 ◼ ► your lifestyle does seem to need two computers basically or at least two setups a portable one and a stationary one and
00:30:03 ◼ ► Just get them both now and solve this problem and then we can talk about other things next week
00:30:06 ◼ ► You know, I shouldn't have brought this up with you two because I was so confident in my decision
00:30:13 ◼ ► You're ruining everything my solution by everything John's solution by nothing. What a surprise
00:30:19 ◼ ► I was willing to I was willing to bargain down to buy the iMac now to get the good Black Friday deal because $200 gift card
00:30:25 ◼ ► Is is basically $200 off for someone like Casey who's guaranteed to spend money in Apple stuff
00:30:35 ◼ ► That's good and him buying one will trigger them to update that model. So that's good for everybody else. Yeah, right
00:30:39 ◼ ► Basically, it's giving him a way to satisfy his insatiable need to buy something immediately and then you of course say why don't you just buy
00:30:56 ◼ ► But this is my least favorite thing idea is spending a huge amount of money on a crazy laptop setup
00:31:01 ◼ ► That is my least favorite by far. You don't say yeah, and then I really because I know we have this notes here
00:31:07 ◼ ► we really I do have to move on because otherwise this whole show is just gonna be okay seeing this computer as
00:31:11 ◼ ► You still have the the Plex problem and that whole other rat hole and if you can get the iMac
00:31:17 ◼ ► It's like I'll just run it on my iMac and it'll be fine because I don't want to talk about the 8,000 options for Plex
00:31:27 ◼ ► I did want to bring up that I didn't last week that it does seem like I don't think I said this last week
00:31:32 ◼ ► It does seem like the stuttering with the mouse is considerably worse when the trackpad is not plugged in
00:31:37 ◼ ► So when it's operating over Bluetooth really bad when it's operating via the lightning to USB connector
00:31:43 ◼ ► It's actually not nearly as bad and I don't know what that means really other than weirdness. It's still not right
00:31:55 ◼ ► I've I mean it I haven't crashed in the last three hours. So that's good. But um again, we're gonna Casey curve
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00:33:43 ◼ ► So with regard to Plex a lot of people wrote in a few different things which are very very reasonable
00:33:51 ◼ ► Questions that I should have gotten in front of because I've had to answer them about 400 times each very quickly number one
00:34:00 ◼ ► I actually just restarted if you will Plex on my Synology to confirm to myself how slow it is and even just
00:34:13 ◼ ► It's just not quick enough because my Synology is six years old now and people often very smartly said well
00:34:22 ◼ ► So if you could get some sort of weird MKV with like web M or something just put that in you know
00:34:27 ◼ ► H.264 and put it in an mp4 and be done with it. Yes, that's true and that works when I'm in the house
00:34:32 ◼ ► But what happens when I'm at Disney World and the network connection is god-awful and it needs to transcode down to like
00:34:38 ◼ ► 480 for me to be able to watch this you two don't jump on me about watching 480 stuff. That's irrelevant
00:34:52 ◼ ► Then the Synology falls on its face newer Synology's do support doing transcoding particularly the Intel ones
00:34:58 ◼ ► But the problem with that is that's like Mac Pro iMac Pro money. Wait you say Intel he's working on affluent
00:35:17 ◼ ► But the problem is if I were to upgrade my Synology I would want to get a whole new setup and use the existing one
00:35:29 ◼ ► That actually is about the only thing in my life. That isn't currently a problem. I say as I knock on, you know, my glass top desk
00:35:39 ◼ ► Lot of people recommended in infuse infuse. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know where I don't know
00:35:44 ◼ ► If the emphasis is on right syllable or what but anyway, it's pronounced if you say if you say I don't know
00:36:05 ◼ ► So what I've come up with is two different options if I do want to solve this with something other than iMac Pro number one
00:36:26 ◼ ► Stuff if if this ends up working out and he says that's okay because I don't know if he wanted to do this anonymously or not
00:36:31 ◼ ► Anyway, so I'm gonna try that just see how it works can't hurt to try right and the second thing is the actual right ist answer
00:36:39 ◼ ► I refuse to listen to reason and that's to get an Intel NUC what I don't know what that stands for
00:36:47 ◼ ► But anyways to get a NUC and put like Ubuntu or something on it and run Plex on there and just be done with it
00:36:54 ◼ ► But I have no interest in in administering a Linux machine. Like this is the same reason that I have my website on Heroku
00:37:07 ◼ ► So I'm gonna try the I'm gonna try the Nvidia shield assuming that I don't have an iMac Pro here in the next week
00:37:18 ◼ ► So yeah, that's the end of cases computer corner unless you guys have other things to add
00:37:56 ◼ ► Would it actually be more than what you're spending on all these hard drives the computer?
00:38:07 ◼ ► Like what are you actually coming out meaningfully ahead to make it worth all this trouble?
00:38:11 ◼ ► I think there's stuff that he just can't find anywhere like if all those top gears that you have and everything
00:38:16 ◼ ► I can you even buy them anywhere. I don't think so, but I haven't had a need to look because I've already had them
00:38:26 ◼ ► Needs that I don't know that anything else can scratch most especially like there is some I get in a kind of unreasonable amount of
00:38:43 ◼ ► You know every week will put up like another episode of Paw Patrol that you can stream for free
00:38:49 ◼ ► It's just there and I will capture those episodes and stuff them in Plex, and I feel like that's okay
00:38:56 ◼ ► It's probably not strictly speaking, but I feel like it's okay because I'm not logging into anything
00:39:01 ◼ ► And it just so happens that I've saved it off you provided them an off-site backup of their content
00:39:06 ◼ ► You know thank you Marco. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm providing them a service really they should be paying me right so anyway
00:39:18 ◼ ► But I get some amount of pleasure over the collecting and assembling of all of this stuff like Top Gear like as silly as it
00:39:25 ◼ ► Sounds like Paw Patrol and so it does scratch a itch that money cannot feel that that's a problem money
00:39:47 ◼ ► And then I would probably upgrade the Synology and get a new Synology as well and just solve all of my computing problems at once
00:39:54 ◼ ► Literally ten plus thousand dollars worth of computing devices, which is just obscene to be fair
00:40:00 ◼ ► I'm not suggesting you do that, but also like and and yeah, and I'm not saying that I don't see any value in Plex
00:40:04 ◼ ► I've run a Plex server too. I just run a super simple one and I have an ancient Mac Mini that runs it just fine
00:40:15 ◼ ► You know as you're paying for the hardware to run it you're paying for all the hard drives
00:40:18 ◼ ► you're paying for the power and if you back anything up you're paying for more copies of it and more power and all this, you know, and
00:40:23 ◼ ► And you're paying in complexity. You're you know, you you have to run this Plex server somewhere in your network
00:40:29 ◼ ► I'm sure it occasionally needs something from you an update or something, you know something about it doesn't work, right?
00:40:43 ◼ ► But yes, it's all the time is still fair. Well, that's also true. No your point is still fair, right?
00:40:58 ◼ ► You know, can I just apply a little bit of money to make this problem go away because this is something like, you know
00:41:06 ◼ ► This has been a very alien thing to to me with the you know with the environment I grew up in
00:41:11 ◼ ► And it's only been fairly recently that I've become okay with setting money on fire to make my life better
00:41:25 ◼ ► Really were not worth it at all and that I shouldn't have been doing and that were actually hurting me more
00:41:29 ◼ ► That I hadn't realized I was so obsessed with like not wanting to spend the money on something
00:41:36 ◼ ► If you look at people have done similar things with their music collections a lot a lot of people maintained huge
00:41:43 ◼ ► then therefore had to get a big hard drives and have to pay for lots of storage in their computers and their phones and
00:41:48 ◼ ► Everything over time and then as streaming services became so compelling and so capable and so inexpensive
00:41:53 ◼ ► A lot of people are no longer keeping music collections because they feel like it's no longer worth it
00:42:03 ◼ ► Like it just it seems like it's a pretty safe bet for most people. They don't need to keep music collection anymore
00:42:11 ◼ ► And so they get to save all that disk space all the hassle of like getting files that were the wrong
00:42:17 ◼ ► You know name or whatever and yeah, a lot of them are pirated a lot of them weren't but like
00:42:21 ◼ ► Streaming kind of made it all irrelevant and I feel like we're in a similar age now for lots of movie and TV content
00:42:32 ◼ ► but it's also such a pain in the butt and it's so costly to keep those local libraries that
00:42:41 ◼ ► I think it's only worth it for the biggest enthusiasts and you are one of those I think in this way
00:42:48 ◼ ► You know you are I think one of the biggest if not the biggest Plex enthusiasts have ever met
00:43:02 ◼ ► it certainly does raise the question of like do you really need to be keeping the stuff anymore and
00:43:10 ◼ ► Do you need to be keeping it at the same level of flexibility that requires all this advanced hardware?
00:43:18 ◼ ► Can you keep the Plex stuff for your house in which case you don't even use transcoding?
00:43:33 ◼ ► Four times a year that you're traveling and you want to watch Paw Patrol watch something else
00:43:37 ◼ ► Or buy or buy something, you know, but by like an iTunes movie rental in the hotel or whatever, you know
00:43:43 ◼ ► Have you treat the kids to a fun new movie rental for four dollars and not have to maintain a you know?
00:43:52 ◼ ► How often are you using the super advanced functionality for things that you can't stream and in those cases?
00:44:03 ◼ ► but I think what it comes down to is I am I'm just a pack rat when it comes to this stuff and and that's
00:44:11 ◼ ► This particular moment aside like if if my iMac which is my Plex server wasn't falling apart
00:44:24 ◼ ► I don't really have to do much to keep it happy if anything at all and the the enjoyment like I get
00:44:30 ◼ ► Immense amounts of enjoyment not only from the hoarding aspects of getting stuff into it
00:44:39 ◼ ► But my entire entire family's life and it's so easy for any of us to get to get what we want quickly and easily and it's
00:44:46 ◼ ► A curated it's my own personal Netflix right in the sense that it is a curated list of things that I can stream
00:44:52 ◼ ► Anywhere I want in the world at if the network connection and transcoder supports it at really, you know, really incredible
00:45:22 ◼ ► Which I really wasn't planning on but what's great about the iMac Pro option is that it it sets this problem on fire
00:45:29 ◼ ► It just it just blows away the problem. Yeah, like you have this big problem that is costing you
00:45:36 ◼ ► This is costing you how much how much time have you wasted fuck, you know messing with the iMac Pro
00:45:50 ◼ ► The time you that you've been spraying canned air into your MacBook like this time matters this time adds up
00:46:07 ◼ ► You could go drive in circles and do donuts in your car. I don't know whatever you like
00:46:14 ◼ ► You're reinstalling Mac OS on a broken computer again. Like it's just this this stuff matters. This is like
00:46:26 ◼ ► Is it worth spending money in a problem? Like I often think like what would CGP Grey do?
00:46:37 ◼ ► Can I just throw money this to make the problem go away because it's worth it to me like that's and I often think like
00:46:43 ◼ ► Whenever I have gone with the option, I think he would go with because usually blowing money away
00:46:48 ◼ ► I have always been actually pretty happy like okay. This problem is now gone. I can get back to my work
00:46:59 ◼ ► He would take off his desk put it God knows where and have a new one there delivered that day and get on with his
00:47:11 ◼ ► Because I don't want to spend that much money. I don't want to spend $8,000 on computers, but why I
00:47:16 ◼ ► would generally advise against using Marco receipt to be gray as your thought model for
00:47:29 ◼ ► You listeners out there. I think thinking this doesn't actually apply to you Marco's advice is good
00:47:36 ◼ ► I think for the listeners in general for the for the statistical average listener that is out there
00:47:40 ◼ ► Very often if you're listening to a tech podcast you probably have lots of technology in your life
00:47:44 ◼ ► And there are points when technology in your life sort of ages out where it is no longer
00:47:53 ◼ ► MP3 collections or whatever I was saying keeping CD collections is a thing keeping record collections and at various points
00:47:58 ◼ ► It's time to reconsider those you have to decide am I the type of person who's going to have a record collection for my entire
00:48:09 ◼ ► You have to let the records go and go on to the next thing and eventually your CD collection
00:48:13 ◼ ► It's like okay. I've been hauling the CD collection around in these giant case logic boxes from dorm room to dorm room
00:48:30 ◼ ► Having a bunch of movies on a server or having a bunch of video CDs if anyone's remember old enough to remember that like there's all
00:48:36 ◼ ► sorts of things that we do that are good ideas at the time that we need to reevaluate and that I think is the
00:48:40 ◼ ► Good advice for the listener to look at your life and think is there something like that in your life where you're spending a lot
00:48:55 ◼ ► By just buying you know renting a movie from iTunes every you want every time you want to do it or buying it from Amazon
00:49:00 ◼ ► Whatever thing you want to do like it it wins in all regards better availability better quality better convenience
00:49:15 ◼ ► In Casey's case and in many people's case in the sort of the non average case the outlier case
00:49:28 ◼ ► And I'm kind of into it too, and I would be hesitant to give it up as I got weird stuff in there
00:49:32 ◼ ► You know weird anime things and like trailers for stuff and things that were never released anywhere that you can only see in some
00:49:39 ◼ ► Place, but someone did a pirated a copy of and like there's all sorts of you know cool stuff that
00:49:45 ◼ ► I have in there and have stuff organized the way I wanted I control cost and hassle mostly by
00:49:54 ◼ ► I deleted if I'm not like so I don't have this ever expanding collection it it stays more or less the same size with sort
00:50:03 ◼ ► I don't you know an iMac will do it it might surprise you to hear that if I was into your situation
00:50:15 ◼ ► But I would just get something that's non Apple hardware because the Mac mini is so expensive such an expensive windows get the cheapest non
00:50:23 ◼ ► Apple hardware they will do the transcoding that you need with some headroom and just shove it in a closet and be done with it
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00:52:46 ◼ ► And they were talking about they were mad at John for being able to talk all of last week's after show about his office furniture
00:52:53 ◼ ► And various things like that and that they never thought to talk about furniture and they talked a little bit about theirs and it made
00:53:01 ◼ ► But I want I want to now do some some re follow out or some follow out out or some whatever it would be to loop
00:53:08 ◼ ► Want to talk about my office furniture because I have an office furniture problem Marco
00:53:31 ◼ ► There's no the only lighting in the room are these two lights in the ceiling that each can take three bulbs
00:53:48 ◼ ► anyway, just to get more light out of them than like the 60 watts they're rated for but
00:53:52 ◼ ► Still like it those things burn through lights like crazy. They're mostly burnt out most of the time. I
00:53:58 ◼ ► Just want more light to help me feel better in the winter to help my office get brighter and make me feel less depressed
00:54:14 ◼ ► Oh, I should also clarify also the walls are dark red and behind my computer is dark gray sound foam
00:54:24 ◼ ► It's it's still it's a pretty dark room by default. So I've had in the corner right next to my desk forever
00:54:30 ◼ ► One of those IKEA not lamps like this is like the IKEA been selling the same lamp for like a decade or more
00:54:50 ◼ ► They're everywhere and you know, this is a common form factor like other people other people make no pole lamps as well
00:55:03 ◼ ► Brighter and brighter bulbs to this pole lamp next to my desk to try to make my office brighter
00:55:09 ◼ ► so I'm happier here and I've reached a limit of that because it's like even you know, you can put like
00:55:21 ◼ ► They get so big that they stick up past the globe and you don't want to be able to look straight at them because that's too
00:55:36 ◼ ► you can basically get this little like plastic things that screw into the light socket and
00:55:40 ◼ ► Split into like three different or four different bulbs and they can turn them on their side
00:55:46 ◼ ► So you can kind of rotate the bulbs 90 degrees and have like a little like radial arrangement of bulbs
00:55:54 ◼ ► So my at first I thought let me get as many lights as possible into this one IKEA not lamp
00:55:59 ◼ ► It's try to like, you know, one bulb isn't doing it for me anymore. I want three bulbs or four bulbs
00:56:12 ◼ ► So I recently bought myself a second not lamp and put it on the other side of my desk now
00:56:19 ◼ ► Problem is they've made the globe on top of the lamp. They've made it smaller. It doesn't it isn't as tall anymore
00:56:28 ◼ ► Let me see. I got four in that one. I got so I currently have seven light bulbs that are about I don't know
00:56:40 ◼ ► But the ones that are in the left one again with one of those like multi bulb splitters are sticking out the top and they're also
00:56:45 ◼ ► Non dimmable. Oh, I should also mention my preferred temperature is 4000 K, which no one makes bulbs that are 4000 K
00:57:08 ◼ ► natively is designed to have like three or four bulbs in it that then I can put you know huge bulbs into each one of
00:57:15 ◼ ► Those sockets and just totally blast myself out with just a complete ton of light. That's what I want here
00:57:20 ◼ ► just a ton of light into my eyes all winter long to try to make me forget that it's winter I
00:57:26 ◼ ► Could get the office renovated and just put more lights in the ceiling. That's the option I should do but that's incredibly
00:57:35 ◼ ► Expensive and disruptive and destructive and I don't want to lose the use of my office for any amount of time to do that
00:57:42 ◼ ► You know a couple of pole lamps cost what 20 bucks like it's not you know, not the end of the world there
00:57:47 ◼ ► So, oh no, hold on if I have to buy a $5,000 computer you have to renovate your fucking office
00:57:53 ◼ ► renovation to put new lights in like it's that's not you already have to you have to open up the ceiling but it's not you could
00:58:03 ◼ ► Yes, so that means you have two power sources you can get very large very wide huge illuminated fixtures from those two existing holes
00:58:17 ◼ ► Light in the room dead center of this place is like a little wire coming out of the ceiling
00:58:23 ◼ ► Circular lights that are I don't know it's kind of like you've seen them a little round circular things
00:58:37 ◼ ► I always used to have to shop for the one that were the lowest profile because my ceilings are very low in this thing
00:58:41 ◼ ► And and that's what I would get and like you you'd be limited in how well how much like can you get out of a dome?
00:58:51 ◼ ► But it's just a dome light and you're limited by the amount of light out, but you can get from that eventually after
00:58:58 ◼ ► You know seeing those things die and replacing the the lamps in them and they were facing the entire fixture when it dies
00:59:22 ◼ ► I have five foot by one foot strip of light with multiple fluorescent bulbs in it that puts out way more
00:59:35 ◼ ► But the thing is I didn't need to make any new holes in the ceiling. There was no renovation
00:59:38 ◼ ► Hmm, that's just you I just used the existing hole that was in my ceiling and screwed this thing up into the you know
00:59:44 ◼ ► The studs in the ceiling and it was fine. I didn't think about that option not saying you do this yourself
00:59:48 ◼ ► But but you could look at how far apart your light things are and see if you can get one of those things
01:00:03 ◼ ► When you get bigger fans inside your PC case instead of it you're what you have now is a tiny fan
01:00:06 ◼ ► You're trying to spin it faster and faster rpm. You need a big fan big lazy slow-moving fan of light
01:00:21 ◼ ► 700 watts and get two of them you will have and they're dimmable and adjustable color temperature because these RGB LEDs like that's it
01:00:28 ◼ ► You're all set. Well, that's and that's the other thing too. Like I've learned it. I'm actually like a
01:00:33 ◼ ► Lightnerd what I really would prefer to avoid is anything that has its own custom like LED thing inside
01:00:48 ◼ ► Because but if it has the LED one this color adjustable like and those things last forever
01:00:53 ◼ ► Well, but yeah first of all, they're not always colors. Well, they also a lot of times they have weird like CRI
01:01:07 ◼ ► I want to be able to just like buy new bulbs every few years and stick them in because they're better like and when you
01:01:15 ◼ ► You can never do that. You're stuck with it forever. So I might still be able to find a thing like that
01:01:28 ◼ ► So I feel like if you go to like a lighting specialist and say and show them your room and say I don't want to
01:01:33 ◼ ► Tear anything up. I got two places where electricity comes out of my ceiling. I want megawatts of adjustable lights with adjustable bulbs
01:01:38 ◼ ► I'm sure they can find something that will fit and your ceilings aren't low so you don't have that problem either
01:01:42 ◼ ► I feel like you have options. Yeah, maybe I don't know. It's I have a hard time envisioning how I can get
01:01:54 ◼ ► You definitely you definitely can because that's I mean, I'm not saying it's a total solution because a lighting person will say, okay
01:02:02 ◼ ► So what you're trying to do now is like you're asking too much of your floor lamps and floor lamps are annoying
01:02:06 ◼ ► Anyway, because they take up room and they're just a hassle like, you know, they they shine
01:02:14 ◼ ► So they're just bouncing it off the ceiling. Like I think you're asking too much of your floor lamps
01:02:26 ◼ ► Guess well my other option if anybody knows of a floor lamp that has just a truly tremendous
01:02:44 ◼ ► Voice thing because it was pain in the butt to keep turning on and off floor lamps because they're in one's on one side of
01:02:48 ◼ ► The room ones on the other these are not great, but they're better than all the alternatives
01:02:54 ◼ ► I had there there what you talked about like there's no replaceable bulb their LED their color adjustable their dimmable
01:03:13 ◼ ► I don't particularly recommend them if your needs they're not powerful enough to do what you want
01:03:28 ◼ ► You can see where all these lamps are they're shining up on like the trim around my ceiling
01:03:47 ◼ ► But just to see where where are these sort of cheap dorm room floor lamp has moved on from this I think is a superior
01:03:53 ◼ ► Version of that IKEA lamp albeit it like three times the price and without replaceable bulbs
01:04:04 ◼ ► But it's part of the fixture and it's you can see the sort of venting around that it gets hot and everything
01:04:13 ◼ ► But yeah, I mean I just I have a hard time thinking that anything is gonna be better than getting new ceiling fixtures
01:04:22 ◼ ► But you do need to do both like any lighting person is gonna tell you probably can't get away with just floor lamps or just ceiling
01:04:31 ◼ ► So if you get a combination lets you balance it and not have to go nuts on any one fixture
01:04:37 ◼ ► By the way, so a few people in the chat are suggesting that I look into the Philips hue line of things
01:04:46 ◼ ► When I was multiplying the number of light bulbs in my pole lamp was I at one time had four
01:04:52 ◼ ► Philips hue ambience the white ambience bulbs in there because another one of my hair brain ideas that I had in this area was I thought
01:05:08 ◼ ► So in the morning and the evening they could be a little bit on the warmer side in the middle of day
01:05:13 ◼ ► They could be on the cooler and brighter side and they would automatically adjust with the Sun. What a great idea
01:05:18 ◼ ► Yeah, it turns out that doesn't work. Like no one makes that work correctly. I don't care. Please don't email me
01:05:34 ◼ ► Which is they just don't make bright bulbs and I don't really know why it's like Philips hue has made
01:05:41 ◼ ► Only up to like 60 watt equivalent bulbs for the entire time. They've existed. They've been around for a number of years now
01:05:56 ◼ ► But like lots of other brands are making lots of other LED light bulbs that are way brighter than that
01:06:03 ◼ ► Surely Philips can make brighter than 60 watt equivalent bulbs because that's just not enough light for almost anything
01:06:18 ◼ ► But also has a built-in feature in their app to do exactly that thing with the sunlight timing of the of the color temperature of the light
01:06:31 ◼ ► Home automation smart home things than lifx bulbs. They were so bad and so unreliable that a few weeks ago
01:06:41 ◼ ► I deleted the app off my phone and just threw the bulbs in the trash can like I just was so frustrated with them
01:06:52 ◼ ► Three of the four bulbs in the fixture would turn on and one wouldn't randomly like just they were so unreliable
01:07:02 ◼ ► Like I we have them in a couple of lamps at the end on end tables in rooms that don't need much light
01:07:07 ◼ ► And that's the only thing I found that I use for them for I have very good luck with using
01:07:18 ◼ ► There's a bunch of other ones too. They work fine like switched outlets work very reliably for me
01:07:22 ◼ ► So I'm happy with that leave it at that leave the light bulbs dumb and leave the outlets smart
01:07:27 ◼ ► All that is to say I think I'm kind of stuck here except I guess I should just do what John says and
01:07:39 ◼ ► Dealing with people for design considerations for home stuff, and I'm not saying you're gonna use the same people
01:07:47 ◼ ► But talk to a lighting person like again. You're mr.. Throw money the thing to solve it
01:07:52 ◼ ► I guess it gets them under the dock. Yeah, like you know we've done home renovation stuff like I we have people
01:07:58 ◼ ► But like I don't it's just it's gonna be so destructive is like if you have to do anything if they do have to cut
01:08:03 ◼ ► Into the ceiling to install more fixtures which I think would be ultimately the best solution
01:08:07 ◼ ► Would you see that thing to install a bunch of can lights, but if they have to do that can lights now?
01:08:11 ◼ ► Why not there's a reason why people do that you can set parameters on you can say we don't want you to
01:08:21 ◼ ► What can you do with two fixtures assuming those two fixtures aren't right on top of each other in there?
01:08:27 ◼ ► What you can do there the room is a big rectangle and the fixtures are two fixtures that are like in the middle
01:08:32 ◼ ► You know offset like it's where you would put if you only had two fixtures in a big rectangle
01:08:36 ◼ ► It's where you put them yeah, so I feel like you have a lot of options just with those two things
01:08:45 ◼ ► But you wouldn't need to repaint anything you will need to cut into anything like there's the power is already there the switching is
01:08:50 ◼ ► Already there, and then it would just be like that and where do I put the accent lights?
01:08:54 ◼ ► And how do I arrange things and I feel like you can come up with a reasonable solution?
01:08:59 ◼ ► I know you could destroy this whole room and come up with this whole new lighting scheme
01:09:01 ◼ ► But let's say we're gonna leave everything where it is because I think two outlets in a room that size plus flow lamps is plenty
01:09:24 ◼ ► So we're all we're still in the realm of still cheaper than your box that would connect your terrible laptop to its two terrible monitors
01:09:35 ◼ ► Anyway, John tell me about Microsoft offices open and save dialog and Catalina, please this was my most recent
01:09:54 ◼ ► You know into this type of stuff are gonna be kind of out to sea so this was my parents telling me that they had
01:10:00 ◼ ► They'd gotten it. All right, so they start from step zero. They'd upgraded to Catalina. They don't know Catalina is I had to surmise
01:10:08 ◼ ► It they'd upgraded to it, but it happened like without me without my participation intervention just goes to show that Apple
01:10:13 ◼ ► Pushing updates on regular people is having a real effect somehow somewhat like if you would ask them
01:10:18 ◼ ► If they wanted to upgrade the OS, there's no way they would say yes, but somehow it happened to them
01:10:23 ◼ ► Like like wife being dumb is it just it's just happened to them, you know, so I'm surprised
01:10:28 ◼ ► You know, who knows how long they've been running it, but I start talking them and it becomes totally clear that they have running Catalina
01:10:38 ◼ ► It told them that a bunch of their old software is no good. So they got a new version of Microsoft Office
01:10:42 ◼ ► So good for them. They bought software even though software like batteries to people that generation should be free
01:10:51 ◼ ► Struggled to try to get them to buy like more iCloud storage so I could stop seeing the messages for their 5 gig
01:10:56 ◼ ► But you know anyway somehow some way they bought office because I guess they consider that real software because they were in like the workforce long
01:11:02 ◼ ► Enough for like Microsoft Office. Well, that's real software. I'll pay for that. Anyway, they paid
01:11:19 ◼ ► He tried to get some Excel document and he tried to email it to somebody but he accidentally emailed the wrong thing and he couldn't
01:11:26 ◼ ► Find the Excel document that he just worked on. He's like, I know it's there somewhere, but I don't see it anywhere
01:11:34 ◼ ► It's in it's in a drive or something. So I got a you know parachute in for tech support
01:11:41 ◼ ► I mean my best guess was I know the new version of office pushes one drive pretty heavily and from the words
01:11:47 ◼ ► They were saying I think they were reaching for like one drive and that could explain why they don't see it on the computer because it
01:11:54 ◼ ► Pro-tip for people who haven't done tech support for anyone in their family recently or
01:11:59 ◼ ► And or are doing it the old-fashioned way. You got to take control of their screen like don't don't
01:12:04 ◼ ► Texting them on the phone like email you just shoot yourself in the head. Just you have to take control of this screen
01:12:11 ◼ ► It's pretty easy with messages if you have an Apple computer and they have an Apple computer
01:12:15 ◼ ► You can say ask to share their screen have them say yes. It's such a relief. Oh my god. Anyway, I
01:12:28 ◼ ► You're both looking at the same screen and you are controlling the cursor that that's the way to get it done
01:12:46 ◼ ► it didn't even let less like Dropbox or was like here's your one drive and your various folders in one drive and
01:13:05 ◼ ► One drive and so I'm looking for the thing to say I don't want to see one drive on to see my computer
01:13:14 ◼ ► There are many ways that applications can extend the open save dialogue box on a Mac OS some official some unofficial
01:13:22 ◼ ► Most of the ones you'll see these days like the bottom portion of the open save dialogue
01:13:48 ◼ ► And I have that same version of office which I preemptively bought because I'm gonna eventually someday upgrade Catalina too
01:13:56 ◼ ► Didn't recall seeing that button. I don't think it was the default but somehow maybe they click that button and got confused
01:14:14 ◼ ► Okay, and so I you know, the document is still open but it's open in one drive or whatever and I could just like install one
01:14:21 ◼ ► Drive or mounted and take the thing off and now I want to figure what the hell's going on here
01:14:24 ◼ ► Like the button says like on my Mac or whatever and it's weird for a button to be a toggle
01:14:29 ◼ ► You know what? I mean? Like imagine clicking a button in a dialogue and the dialogue box changes
01:14:35 ◼ ► But anyway, it's a button and I know you're limited in how you can enhance the open save dialogue boxes
01:14:39 ◼ ► But I'm pretty sure this is the right button. I do it like five more times same thing happens
01:14:42 ◼ ► You click the button dialogue goes you and it's gone. Nothing has happened. Nothing has been saved nothing
01:14:46 ◼ ► So then I google to make sure that that's what this button is supposed to do and sure enough
01:14:57 ◼ ► I'll be like normal and at the bottom the button says like in the cloud or something like that and you can switch to the
01:15:07 ◼ ► You know, I put two and two together because this one of the permissions dialogue. Yeah. No, of course
01:15:11 ◼ ► It's it's a it's a permission thing because the application not to ask permission to do stuff and maybe they had the open save dialogue
01:15:20 ◼ ► They didn't have permissions for and in theory Catalina should have thrown up a dialog box
01:15:33 ◼ ► Which regularly use a shirt should should not need to know you would never guess this in a million years because nothing in your prior
01:15:39 ◼ ► History of decades of using the Mac. Have you ever had to give Excel permission to view the desktop and
01:15:58 ◼ ► They would have just been like and and they would have thought it was a Microsoft Office bug and for all I know it is
01:16:02 ◼ ► Maybe it is an office bug, but it's a combination of office in Catalina. So there is probably a way to get
01:16:17 ◼ ► In the permissions dialog box because I don't want to get any more of these calls and lo and behold if I put all those apps
01:16:26 ◼ ► Yeah, it worked you click that button the dialogue switches and now you can see their hard drive
01:16:30 ◼ ► And I showed them how to switch back and forth and so on and so forth. So here's an example of Microsoft and or Apple
01:16:37 ◼ ► Really falling down on the new Catalina security model, which I mostly endorse but yet it has to work situations like that
01:16:43 ◼ ► No regular user is ever going to figure out unless lots of other people run into it and it's potentially Googleable
01:16:48 ◼ ► But I don't even know if they would know the right thing to Google for and my quote-unquote solution of getting full disk access
01:16:54 ◼ ► Isn't really the right solution, but it's the type of thing where it's like I don't I don't want to have to deal with this
01:17:10 ◼ ► so I guess I guess it is encouraging that they were able to successfully update Catalina themselves and
01:17:15 ◼ ► Didn't have any particular complaints about the OS but it turns out the main problem they were having with this application
01:17:21 ◼ ► Was partially because of Catalina. It's that's not great. And at least it's one problem that Casey isn't having so that's the only one
01:17:33 ◼ ► Resorted to giving applications full disk access besides I suppose terminal which it's reasonable to give that I don't think crash plan
01:17:44 ◼ ► But like I think most applications expect you to say oh just give me access to your desktop
01:17:48 ◼ ► Oh, just give me access to your documents folder and that's all I'm ever gonna need it and you're fine
01:18:08 ◼ ► Don't even think about most of the time because I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything cool by not having upgraded yet
01:18:21 ◼ ► But I don't want to because it's you know, because it would cost me, you know time and bugs. Nope
01:18:30 ◼ ► like I thought catalyst would be that but I'm still pretty far from being able to do anything with that and
01:18:47 ◼ ► But the other hand, I don't want to say goodbye to iTunes and for the music app. So I'm I'm kind of torn
01:18:52 ◼ ► Most of the reason I haven't upgraded is because I'm terrified of the upgrade process of photos, which I've heard bad stories about, right?
01:18:58 ◼ ► No, but I do want it you I'm always looking for new features and photos or any any change photos whatsoever
01:19:04 ◼ ► Presumably it changed for the better. So that's my main draw, but I'm I'm currently able to resist pretty easily
01:19:09 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, and like I don't like I had like the music app. Honestly, I think that's I think it's a huge step back
01:19:15 ◼ ► Yeah, I use it on my laptop. I really don't like it. There's there's significant regressions from iTunes
01:19:21 ◼ ► I don't know what they were thinking with that. I don't know why they had to mess with it so much honestly, but
01:19:31 ◼ ► I heard there I read on the column browser and the newest beta or something if that's true
01:19:36 ◼ ► That's great because that's the way I browse my music and it has sucked on my laptop not having that for so long
01:20:00 ◼ ► You can buy the current iMac Pro and you can install Mojave on no matter what it comes with
01:20:17 ◼ ► You you really are intent on me setting all of my money aflame. I just don't want to tear my office ceiling apart
01:20:24 ◼ ► It's it's like I haven't known you for 20 years or something. It's less money though. I remember it's less
01:20:32 ◼ ► String of computer purchases you're gonna get it's right again like who cares whether you spend it now or six months from now
01:20:41 ◼ ► It doesn't matter because we've talked about it too much Adam wants us to know about Amazon's customer support quote-unquote text tree
01:20:48 ◼ ► Tell me about this that wasn't the phone tree thing with text where you're like, you know, do you want to do this?
01:20:53 ◼ ► Do you want to do that and I was complaining that you have limited options and then eventually you just did ends
01:20:57 ◼ ► I actually have two pieces on this one on every product page and Amazon there on the detail page
01:21:02 ◼ ► There is a link somewhere that says do you have a problem with this listing and you can just click that and you immediately get
01:21:09 ◼ ► You just type a text message that is a faster way to do this rather than going through the support
01:21:31 ◼ ► Do you think that actually works because you're typing agent or do you think it's like this person is typing something?
01:21:37 ◼ ► We don't recognize three times in a row. We'll just kick into a human. I think agent probably
01:21:41 ◼ ► It's like when you when you yell obscenities into it the phone tree and like the thing like the basic AI recognizes angry customer noises
01:21:57 ◼ ► There's like those websites like get human calm which tells you how to get a human like the thing about get human and stuff is
01:22:03 ◼ ► Usually for phones. I don't know if they've upgraded for text, but this type of thing. I think you used to
01:22:08 ◼ ► Be fairly assured that if you were typing text chat back and forth you were probably talking to one
01:22:14 ◼ ► Poor overworked human who's chatting simultaneously with 97 people and who's mostly copying and pasting using macros to fill in the things
01:22:22 ◼ ► But still it's human triggering the macros right just to figure out which thing to be triggered but these days
01:22:39 ◼ ► You're just talking to you know, a text version of a phone tree or some very simple AI and you really do want to go
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01:22:57 ◼ ► I know I feel like it's too by Friday where I just wanted to start this whole thing over and I apologize
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01:23:11 ◼ ► I guess I don't know this this became I should have been paying more attention to the clock
01:23:17 ◼ ► God I'm so sorry for everything. It's fine. Just buy all the computers. It's fine. Oh, yeah
01:23:33 ◼ ► I had I had a plan that allowed him to buy things - I had an acceptable to me plan that allowed him to buy things
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01:25:53 ◼ ► Should I encourage him to learn Apple script or is Apple script not long for this world? I
01:25:57 ◼ ► Don't have terribly positive thoughts about Apple script I find it because I'm a developer I suppose I find it to be
01:26:16 ◼ ► Marco I'd be curious to hear your two cents and then we will let the resident old man round us out and
01:26:23 ◼ ► To help tell us what he thinks. I love the idea of letting power users automate things on their computers. I
01:26:35 ◼ ► It is it is a very difficult language to understand and to write it reads really easily
01:26:41 ◼ ► You can look at it. You know, wow, it's so magical then you try to write it and it's like what?
01:26:53 ◼ ► I think it's actually very hostile to try to learn and it's mostly done by copy and paste I think
01:26:59 ◼ ► And furthermore, I think it's already dead. Like not only is it does not have a bright future
01:27:03 ◼ ► I think it doesn't even have a bright present and it doesn't even the past has not been kind to it
01:27:23 ◼ ► attraction to Apple scripts because you might hear that scripting is a sort of an easier
01:27:30 ◼ ► friendlier version of programming and someone's into Apple so surely Apple script is the thing they want but
01:27:47 ◼ ► I think it is probably gonna stick around for longer than we all think it should I mean it kind of already has
01:27:53 ◼ ► That doesn't change things. No, your son should not learn Apple script. No, your grandson should not you learn apps
01:28:01 ◼ ► I didn't do a very good job of getting either of my children interested in programming when they were that age
01:28:07 ◼ ► But eventually my son eventually came around on his own and is learning Swift in his high school class. I feel like
01:28:17 ◼ ► Programming there's lots of good apps on the App Store that are programming like you know
01:28:23 ◼ ► This I forget the names are like hop hop scotch and scratch and there's this Swift playgrounds thing
01:28:35 ◼ ► Wants to get serious about programming for Apple platforms, then yeah, you can start learning Swift and Swift playgrounds and all that stuff
01:28:42 ◼ ► but uh, it's a long road and it really you know, there's I don't like encourage him to learn Apple script like it's it's like
01:28:56 ◼ ► Like they really have to take an interest themselves now, we're gonna hear from all the accordion player. I don't know
01:29:08 ◼ ► The person has to have an interest in themselves like programming is like that. You can't like
01:29:18 ◼ ► You can say you can present it and say here's the thing you might be into but if they go now
01:29:30 ◼ ► But you know, it's the trope that we hopefully are all familiar with from all the media
01:29:45 ◼ ► Chris cast writes you guys specifically Marco Arman talk a lot about bouncing back and forth between laptops and desktops
01:30:00 ◼ ► How do you how do you keep all of your configs preferences etc in sync or do you use specific machines for specific purposes?
01:30:15 ◼ ► mostly just do manual things like if I change your preference on one I'll change your preference on the other but
01:30:24 ◼ ► outside of a few exceptions like I have like, you know, I have like my text mate preferences and I I just put those
01:30:34 ◼ ► And I'll use Dropbox if for anything that can be synced easily through Dropbox automatically
01:30:43 ◼ ► Try to run as stock of a setup as possible such that I can set up a totally clean install
01:30:57 ◼ ► like so I actually don't use a lot of like power user tools and workflow tools automation stuff like
01:31:11 ◼ ► Keyboard maestro a lot of these tools that a lot of our friends use that are super powerful
01:31:22 ◼ ► I tried better touch tool on the new laptop to try to customize the touch bar and better touch tool is just a
01:31:29 ◼ ► Massive arsenal of power tools and I ran it for like one night and I'm like, this is too much
01:31:36 ◼ ► I don't want this and it's it looked amazing. And if you're the kind of person who likes that kind of stuff, that's amazing
01:31:43 ◼ ► But it was so not for me. I very quickly realized like oh, this is this is not what I'm looking for
01:31:55 ◼ ► You know a I can sit down in front of any computer and get things reasonably, you know reasonably done and be
01:32:17 ◼ ► I do use Synology Drive. I've mostly divorced myself from Dropbox. Synology Drive is not perfect
01:32:23 ◼ ► It's kind of their faux Dropbox, but it's not actively trying to be awful, which is an improvement over Dropbox. So that's good
01:32:39 ◼ ► Try to stay as stock as I can and for the things that can't I just synchronize that stuff manually by you know
01:32:49 ◼ ► All of the stuff that I do is all in like github or you know some other repository online
01:33:00 ◼ ► Many times on the show like using micro not John but you and I used briefcases on Windows
01:33:14 ◼ ► Yeah, I thought I used them very successfully way back in the day when I had a tower and a laptop and it was I
01:33:25 ◼ ► I don't have that the I bring those up to say I don't really have a lot of that anymore and what little I have
01:33:39 ◼ ► I presume you have like some sort of figurative and or literal firewall between your work computer and your mac Pro
01:33:51 ◼ ► Especially if one of them is a desktop one of those laptops. I don't have any sort of comprehensive syncing thing like Marco
01:33:56 ◼ ► I do keep like my most extensive settings in Dropbox. So BB edit. I have tons of settings
01:34:03 ◼ ► All I know is that if I launch BB edit on a system without my settings like what the hell is this?
01:34:10 ◼ ► But the like BB edit has native within the application ability to understand and sync through Dropbox
01:34:15 ◼ ► So my entire BB edit application support folder is in Dropbox that includes not just all my settings
01:34:20 ◼ ► But all of my like scripts and key bindings and like just you know sample templates and preview
01:34:26 ◼ ► CSS files and like everything so I think that's like my most important and extensive settings my browser settings and
01:34:34 ◼ ► Preferences like that when setting up a new machine able just manually, you know, I'm so used to manually
01:34:48 ◼ ► That's not such a big hassle even though it sounds like because how often do I set up a new computer?
01:34:58 ◼ ► I'm gonna use migration assistance, which gets almost all of it done for me and then like on an ongoing basis
01:35:03 ◼ ► synchronizing settings between my laptop at work and my desktop if there's a setting that is
01:35:09 ◼ ► A new like they're both already set up if there's a new setting and a new version of the rest
01:35:15 ◼ ► But my settings on my laptop are very different than my settings on my desktop like everything you go to in system purposes is different
01:35:37 ◼ ► Override a lot of settings on your laptop whether you like it or not so whatever my preferences are they have the screen locks set
01:35:44 ◼ ► To activate after X number of minutes for security reasons, and you know all sorts of stuff like that
01:35:48 ◼ ► So I got to deal with that and then on top of that. I just manually do whatever settings on
01:36:10 ◼ ► I wonder if that's the right answer, but it's been on pretty much ever since it was a thing John
01:36:22 ◼ ► The the thing that I find most attractive about I message and slack and things like that is that it's asynchronous
01:36:35 ◼ ► It's better than getting someone on the phone because if they're in the middle of something they're driving or they're talking to somebody else
01:36:54 ◼ ► Maybe their phone buzzes or bloops or vibrates or maybe it's set to totally silent and maybe it's in another room
01:37:01 ◼ ► But eventually they'll see the notification or whatever and see that you got a message and then at that point
01:37:10 ◼ ► That's what a red receipt would make you think oh, they read my message. Why aren't they responding?
01:37:17 ◼ ► So then you can just think obviously they haven't read my messages and then so every time a message comes in you can be like
01:37:22 ◼ ► They just read my message and immediately reply if that makes you feel better when in reality
01:37:26 ◼ ► They might have read your message two hours ago and known that they can't deal with this right now because they're in the middle of
01:37:31 ◼ ► Making dinner or whatever and they'll deal with it later. So that is the beauty that is the social pact of
01:37:45 ◼ ► If you're the type person who wants to believe that people respond as soon as they read your message
01:37:49 ◼ ► You can believe that and everything will be fine as soon as one person turns on red receipts
01:37:54 ◼ ► Then it's all breaks the whole system breaks down and now our own habits are actually revealed and everyone just feels bad
01:38:04 ◼ ► Tina set to be on and everyone else off because that is something you can do no off for everybody
01:38:13 ◼ ► I can call her on the phone like I find it if I need synchronous messaging that is available to me
01:38:18 ◼ ► I feel perfectly comfortable doing that like but that's not that's not the deal with text messages. No red receipts
01:38:32 ◼ ► Like the expectation like, you know as John said like it's it's almost like the social construct and like it's like how you expect these
01:38:40 ◼ ► communication mechanisms to respond I don't expect if if I get a message on my phone and
01:38:48 ◼ ► Don't expect there to be a difference of something happening as a result of me having looked at it now in a certain way or not
01:38:57 ◼ ► Force-touch preview a message to not set send the red receipt or there's always a different thing
01:39:10 ◼ ► Like like what does it mean that I've read it? Does it mean that my phone displayed it fully?
01:39:14 ◼ ► Does it mean I've actually seen it doesn't mean I'm actually going to respond to it. Who knows right you sent the message
01:39:18 ◼ ► At some point I can respond it is none of your business when I do that or if I've seen it or anything
01:39:23 ◼ ► Like same reason like on emails. I disable the you know, loading third-party images by default
01:39:31 ◼ ► I feel like because that enables the same kind of thing and it enables through various like douchey email apps
01:39:35 ◼ ► It enables people to have red pixels on their emails to you and the same thing. I think that's I think that's grossly inappropriate
01:39:41 ◼ ► I know like, you know certain employers set this up and require this for their employees and I think that's gross
01:39:47 ◼ ► It's like like I don't I don't look at my wife's phone because that's I consider that like an invasion of privacy
01:39:54 ◼ ► It's like that's like her brain then that would feel weird. Like I don't I don't poke around
01:39:59 ◼ ► I don't look at her messages like that would feel gross and like a like a weird overreach
01:40:03 ◼ ► I think red receipts are that same level of thing. It's that same level of like that's too much. That's too far
01:40:18 ◼ ► Like that's that's creepy and and you don't need this information and you shouldn't want it and you shouldn't get it
01:40:23 ◼ ► I don't make you feel better not to have it because then you can choose to believe whatever you want to choose to believe about
01:40:28 ◼ ► Marco's interaction with your text message and I think most people will want to choose to believe he must not have seen it until the
01:40:34 ◼ ► Moment before he replied you can happily believe that and Marco will allow you to continue to have that fiction if it makes you feel
01:40:43 ◼ ► I can't recall that ever having knowingly been a problem, but you do make you both make a very compelling argument
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01:42:07 ◼ ► The legal question I had from last week and my story about my car getting bumped and what happened with that
01:42:13 ◼ ► The car is back. It's been repaired. It looks great. I am very thankful for that. I got a
01:42:20 ◼ ► lot of flack on Twitter and a little bit over email about the way I had handled the situation and what I had talked about on
01:42:32 ◼ ► It seems weird to me that this person didn't get some sort of citation or infraction for
01:42:38 ◼ ► Impacting their automobile into my automobile which seems to me to be something that really should not happen
01:42:52 ◼ ► Got a lot of flack for this and I wanted to very quickly address the flack that I received and then talk about the actual question
01:43:00 ◼ ► But to start with the flack, I think even though almost everyone who said something said it extraordinarily obnoxiously
01:43:09 ◼ ► I do think that there was actually some amount of truth to what was being said which is you know
01:43:14 ◼ ► a white guy calling the cops for something that is admittedly minor is kind of the definition of privilege and
01:43:20 ◼ ► Don't think I had appropriately recognized that at the time in which we spoke last week and and I am sorry for that
01:43:26 ◼ ► I really am I think I should have been more self-aware than the way I was than the way I acted last week
01:43:31 ◼ ► That being said the reason I called the police was because what I didn't mention on the show last week
01:43:36 ◼ ► And I'd love to blame this on Marco having had too heavy a hand with the editing knife, but it wasn't him at all
01:43:40 ◼ ► I just didn't bring it up this time on to do this time on two separate occasions in my past
01:43:46 ◼ ► I have had minor bumps or something like something roughly equivalent to what happened and at the time of the issue
01:43:56 ◼ ► Here's my insurance blah blah blah and I did not call the cops and I thought everything was copacetic or everyone agrees
01:44:02 ◼ ► We're gonna go our separate ways and we will handle this like adults and in both of those occasions
01:44:11 ◼ ► I didn't do anything wrong and fought us on it and I can give you the whole details, but it's ultimately irrelevant
01:44:20 ◼ ► where we tried to just handle it like adults and it didn't get handled and we ended up either footing the bill or
01:44:27 ◼ ► Our insurance had to deal with it because their insurance wouldn't pay because their person said they didn't do it blah blah blah
01:44:32 ◼ ► So the reason that I called the cops in the first place was because I will never make that mistake again
01:44:46 ◼ ► And I don't mean this to be a jerk if your car doesn't matter to you that much or if your paint doesn't have to be
01:44:51 ◼ ► Pristine, that's awesome. I kind of wish I was like that but that's not me. I want my car to look pristine
01:44:56 ◼ ► I'm proud of my car looking pristine. I wash it as often as I can because I wanted to look pristine
01:45:00 ◼ ► That's the way I am. So that's why I called the cops. I do think it was a bit unreasonable
01:45:11 ◼ ► But it is unreasonable if I was and if I came across that way then that's my fault and I'm sorry
01:45:29 ◼ ► Subjective application of law and I don't remember if somebody said this to me or if I had an epiphany maybe an apostrophe
01:45:35 ◼ ► That's reference. But anyway, I had a epiphany that you know, if I get a speeding ticket
01:45:50 ◼ ► Then it should be okay for this person who ran into me to also get let off and I don't think I appropriately
01:46:04 ◼ ► Wrote wrote in and said when I go to collisions that I know I won't work for example private property collisions with no injuries
01:46:14 ◼ ► But their statements will be recorded if there's any dispute the insurance companies can then subpoena my body cam for footage if needed
01:46:19 ◼ ► For potential potential laws that are broken you guys started to hit right on or started to hit on the right things
01:46:26 ◼ ► There's of course falling too closely or failure to devote a full time and attention for example looking into cell phone
01:46:31 ◼ ► But now if we have something like oh my foot slipped off the brake or oh the light turned green
01:46:40 ◼ ► Which is called careless driving and it's kind of a catch-all that basically just states you drove in a way that caused damage to someone
01:46:49 ◼ ► Answer to our question of how could they have been cited whether or not it was necessary
01:46:54 ◼ ► How could it have happened and there's your answer to touch on a few more aspects of this? I think you
01:47:03 ◼ ► Getting into a situation and not involving the authorities and getting burned on a later because then it's just your word against theirs
01:47:08 ◼ ► There's no sort of third party, and there's you know no one taking statements in the moment and so on and so forth
01:47:18 ◼ ► Some some are all of us may have gotten that advice from parents or other adults in our life saying if you ever do get
01:47:24 ◼ ► Into an accident even though it seems like you and the other person are in agreement about what happened
01:47:35 ◼ ► And get witnesses and all sorts of other things because if you don't this bad thing could happen to you
01:47:40 ◼ ► I think of that actual advice is another example of what you're getting at before with privilege if you are
01:47:55 ◼ ► Nothing bad is gonna happen to me, and they are gonna come in and they're gonna protect my rights
01:48:04 ◼ ► I'm calling them to come and protect me the thought doesn't enter your head that I'm going to call the authorities
01:48:13 ◼ ► If this is the type of advice you're getting and similarly if your parents are giving you this advice
01:48:17 ◼ ► That the first thing you should always do in any situation like this is called the authorities chances
01:48:21 ◼ ► Are you're probably white and if you're not your parents might be giving your parents might be giving you very?
01:48:27 ◼ ► And that's something that we tend not to think about and that not doesn't necessarily mean it's bad advice because cases examples in accidents
01:48:53 ◼ ► So I'm honestly I've been in a lot of these situations. I was discussing this with my wife. I've been in minor you know
01:49:04 ◼ ► you know or like we're stopped at a stoplight and someone touches my bumper or something like that and
01:49:18 ◼ ► And it was like the world's smallest bump, and I just give him a dirty look and you know
01:49:26 ◼ ► Exactly, and we just all go on our way because like you just can't even deal with it right
01:49:33 ◼ ► It is actually important to get things under control and you do have to take an assessment
01:49:36 ◼ ► I think this is one of the other things that you were getting yelled at Casey is like the idea that
01:49:39 ◼ ► Another another aspect of your potential privilege. I don't think people just made this assumption because they made this assumption, but potentially it's like oh
01:49:47 ◼ ► Casey is you know comfortable in his life and is able to absorb the cost of his bumper whereas the poor defenseless person that
01:49:54 ◼ ► Hit them obviously is on their last penny and can't afford anything right and so how dare you?
01:50:00 ◼ ► Extract money for it for this thing in any sort of exchange or whatever that may be true
01:50:08 ◼ ► And they're driving to a job interview that they need to keep their rent or as they're all gonna die right like this
01:50:13 ◼ ► Oh, that could be true right and that is it is a reasonable thing to take into account when deciding
01:50:22 ◼ ► But case you didn't say anything about whether this person was driving a Bentley or not for all you know they were driving their parents
01:50:29 ◼ ► Lamborghini SUV does that change your opinion about whether they should buy the $500 like people sense of justice
01:50:50 ◼ ► He just said this person was young now just being saying you're young you say well obviously young people have less money than older people
01:50:55 ◼ ► That's true, too, so that may have been the situation, and I think it is good to take that into account
01:51:02 ◼ ► It's very difficult to say what the quote unquote right thing to do is and another point related that a lot of people brought up
01:51:08 ◼ ► Sometimes you just do a nice thing by just eating it and Casey willingly or not did that in these two other times that he
01:51:14 ◼ ► Talked about where he just ended up eating it and someone else got something nicer, and he didn't particularly do it
01:51:23 ◼ ► What you know can happen if like in this situation where I don't even get into my car, but on the other hand
01:51:30 ◼ ► It's like I'm also saving myself the hassle of dealing with it at all and just be willing to say in that moment
01:51:39 ◼ ► I'm just gonna like it's actually easier for everybody including me involved to not worry about it
01:51:55 ◼ ► And I will probably exercise my privilege and get to get the police involved as long as I feel like by doing that
01:52:02 ◼ ► I am NOT causing anyone else putting anyone else in danger as in it's another rich white dude to bump me in the bumper
01:52:13 ◼ ► I feel like that's that is a reasonable thing to do and if your main concern is not getting screwed over by someone changing their story and
01:52:30 ◼ ► I don't know if Casey wants to talk about details of what kind of car hit them or how old the person was or
01:52:35 ◼ ► You know anything else about them that might change your opinion of whether he should or shouldn't have called the police
01:52:40 ◼ ► But the bottom line is that he didn't seem to work out. Okay, so I think you know he probably
01:53:11 ◼ ► Something or like a little bit of paint that maybe I could have gotten out with like compound or something
01:53:16 ◼ ► I would have just driven off and called it a day, but there was a clear issue with the car now
01:53:34 ◼ ► That I wanted to just quickly address it and since we haven't gone long enough talking about everything under the Sun
01:53:43 ◼ ► It's not that bad. It's bad. You're getting clouded by your fanboyism. It's so bad. I mean I guess I mean part of my
01:53:55 ◼ ► Accurately and usefully judge the Cybertruck because I am NOT a truck person like I am a Tesla person
01:54:18 ◼ ► Making a mostly pretty cool vehicle with a few things that are incredibly over engineered about it
01:54:36 ◼ ► Whether it proves useful or not. That's that's up to people who know more about trucks than I do, but I think it looks
01:54:52 ◼ ► The pickup truck industry has been stuck for quite a while in making things that look pretty much the same all the time
01:55:08 ◼ ► They announce a bunch of really weird stuff and stuff that seems really out there and really ambitious
01:55:15 ◼ ► They actually do most of it. They actually end up shipping most of the things they announce and
01:55:21 ◼ ► It might take longer and it might you know have some problems at first but like they do
01:55:31 ◼ ► They're doing more crazy stuff and it seems to be working and no one else is doing the stuff they're doing. So cool. I
01:55:38 ◼ ► Quit the show. I quit the show. I'm not saying I'm buying one or you should but oh no, it's so no
01:55:45 ◼ ► Just no Marco. I think the only thing I agree with and what you just said was that it is cool that they're doing something different
01:55:52 ◼ ► Hey, you know what since since we already spent all of my money and your money in this show
01:56:08 ◼ ► Even the Tesla fan said it was a disaster. So I didn't feel like I needed to but I didn't watch the presentation either
01:56:14 ◼ ► I know the whole like, you know window breaking thing, right if Microsoft did whatever the computing equivalent is of this announcement
01:56:24 ◼ ► But probably because it's Elon and because it's Tesla. Oh, everything's okay. Don't worry
01:56:30 ◼ ► I think this thing is ugly from what little I know of trucks and how they work and what's
01:56:38 ◼ ► Yes, it's very strong. But other than that like that's not it's not a very good utility vehicle. I it it no
01:56:45 ◼ ► It just it looks stupid. It doesn't have side mirrors doesn't have windshield wipers right now
01:57:00 ◼ ► There's so much that I can applaud about what Tesla's done even in the cars that I have issues with like I really dislike the model
01:57:10 ◼ ► Single screen in the center thing. I really wish it had an instrument cluster for example, but I can get behind
01:57:17 ◼ ► That that is something different and isn't necessarily just for differences sake whereas this just seems like
01:57:24 ◼ ► Nobody said no to Elon and it just doesn't seem useful to me. I haven't heard connected
01:57:32 ◼ ► but I I have spoken to Stephen Hackett a little bit privately or we have spoken to him privately and
01:57:37 ◼ ► He from what I gathered did not seem overly impressed with it either. I don't know John. What's your thoughts?
01:57:53 ◼ ► Who is this going to satisfy the thing about trucks in general in the United States is?
01:57:57 ◼ ► Most of them are not used as trucks just like most SUVs are not taken off-road. Most trucks are not used as trucks
01:58:02 ◼ ► and that's why you get all these these trucks that you know, if you start looking at them and seeing how much they cost and
01:58:09 ◼ ► What they have and they have four doors in them and they have these weird interiors and they have these like
01:58:13 ◼ ► Polished chrome bed liners. I'm just making things up. But like they're they're very fancy trucks. They're mostly not used as trucks
01:58:19 ◼ ► So whatever like who am I to say that if someone wants a big snarling giant ridiculous pickup truck that they never use as a truck
01:58:25 ◼ ► Except for like one or two times every few years to like move someone's couch fine. Let them have it, right?
01:58:31 ◼ ► That is actually I think the biggest market for trucks in the United States the Cybertruck it may actually
01:58:45 ◼ ► Pickup truck that's not used as a truck that looks different than all the other pickup trucks not used as trucks
01:59:12 ◼ ► You know the dramatically different styling than other ticket pickup trucks that might be good for it as a product
01:59:25 ◼ ► Like I give them certainly give them points for doing something that's different than all the other pickup trucks. I
01:59:36 ◼ ► Just taking the styling from the it's like retro future. It's like straight out of the 80s
01:59:50 ◼ ► It is literally that styling so it's not particularly original because I lived through the 80s and it's like yeah
02:00:10 ◼ ► All that said I think it's a terrible truck for people who want trucks like it is not a successful like they haven't
02:00:31 ◼ ► Part that's four doors. It's a shape because it's electric we can do all sorts of things other four doors car
02:00:37 ◼ ► So it's big on the inside has big trunks. It has a hatchback. It has the seats in the back
02:00:47 ◼ ► This truck does not do everything it can to be useful as a truck at all. Like the everything about it is
02:01:06 ◼ ► It's certainly probably not great for water clearance off the windshield and whatever they're gonna have to do to put a wiper in that thing
02:01:18 ◼ ► Like one of the good things you can have a pickup truck is that the cab pokes out above a flat bed and you got a
02:01:30 ◼ ► how low does the bed because the battery is under there and all these other things like
02:01:37 ◼ ► First of all, this thing doesn't have the towing capacity of like a giant heavy-duty like Ford f350 or something
02:01:45 ◼ ► It remains to be seen how wise it is and how much your rain gets range gets destroyed if you're at maximum towing capacity
02:01:51 ◼ ► because unlike one of those big trucks, you can't just add more gallons to your gas tank and
02:01:55 ◼ ► Get more range for you know, incredibly cheaply if you want more range another thing yet
02:02:07 ◼ ► But all I'm saying is this thing is not like a it's not a good design design is how it works
02:02:18 ◼ ► Then it's probably a good design like it all depends on what your works is like and I think it is
02:02:24 ◼ ► Reasonable to say what works for the segment is not to be a good pickup truck. There's plenty of good pickup trucks
02:02:31 ◼ ► what works in this segment is to be the most appealing thing to someone with $65,000 who wants a big macho truck and
02:02:56 ◼ ► But I think good supercar designs like the ones from McLaren or like the NSX in particular
02:03:01 ◼ ► Focus on outward visibility and say well, I know it's a mid-engine car and you're gonna have a tough view at the rear
02:03:07 ◼ ► Because the engine is back there. But what can we do? Can we can we make kind of a glass bubble cockpit?
02:03:13 ◼ ► Pull make it so that the a pillars aren't blocking half of your field of view just for us will be outside design like at
02:03:19 ◼ ► At least try and the cyber trucks like nope. All we care about is this thing looks like a matchbox car
02:03:31 ◼ ► Impractical unsuccessful truck, but I also think that probably doesn't matter because that's not the market
02:03:39 ◼ ► They're going for I still have disdain for the product though kind of like, you know, like
02:03:43 ◼ ► In a way that I don't have for people who buy fancy like a Ford 150s like those are still okay trucks
02:03:50 ◼ ► And maybe you're over optioning it and getting leather seats and it's silly and it's all polished and you ever gonna but at least it's still
02:03:56 ◼ ► It is still a competent practical truck. This is this is not that this is if you see someone with this
02:04:02 ◼ ► You know, they didn't buy it because they're just constantly hauling things back and forth
02:04:08 ◼ ► And if they did try to buy it for that purpose, they're gonna be very sad and they're gonna break their truck
02:04:27 ◼ ► I think they do it more often than you think I do ultimately agree with you though that in my world
02:04:33 ◼ ► For the amount of times that I would want to pick up. I think that they're silly and wasteful, but that's me
02:04:38 ◼ ► I for a lot of people that's they couldn't use any other car nearly as easily like take Steven
02:05:04 ◼ ► But I do think that pickups do get used more often than SUVs for their allegedly intended purpose that being said
02:05:16 ◼ ► Just putting something in the bed is like saying because you put something in your trunk use your car as a pickup, right?
02:05:23 ◼ ► Although people do buy those little you know container. He's one of the hell those things called
02:05:30 ◼ ► You know, yeah and you'll put bikes that back there or whatever that that's all well and good but like
02:05:37 ◼ ► You're not concerned about the towing capacity or like how much you can hold 2,500 pounds in the bed if you're putting a 98 pound
02:05:48 ◼ ► Like that's not just because you put something in the bed doesn't mean you're using it as a truck
02:05:55 ◼ ► You are a painting contractor and you you bring your supplies to and from the job site every day with your pickup truck or landscaping
02:06:15 ◼ ► Including potentially even Marco from the sounds of it are grading this real heavily on a curve and I mean, that's fine
02:06:28 ◼ ► Futuristic looking vehicle that can also has that is truckier than any other Tesla's that no one's gonna really use as a truck
02:06:44 ◼ ► Innovative styling that isn't particularly a good truck and also like I think that thing the thing spelling is likes it
02:06:50 ◼ ► It's visibility because I hate cars with bad visibility for styling purposes because this is you know
02:06:58 ◼ ► So don't like I'm willing to to accept terrible visibility on your exotic hypercar that you're not gonna make more than
02:07:04 ◼ ► 500 of not willing to accept it on a pickup truck and then the the giant C pillars that that you know
02:07:11 ◼ ► Make the bed sides not flat and just sort of compromise the entire utility of a pickup truck of like a flat bed
02:07:18 ◼ ► but also flat sides because if you're gonna try to put anything in there having to deal with those angles and be not being able to
02:07:23 ◼ ► Get at things from the side like these are common activities here pickup trucks. Like it just
02:07:30 ◼ ► Subaru Brat and the the original Honda Ridgeline like that whole, you know, flying buttress C pillar thing. It's not it's not practical pickup trucks, so
02:07:39 ◼ ► It almost would have been better, you know all the memes they're putting out if they just you know
02:07:43 ◼ ► If they just put out the halo warthog and said look this is what you want. Like it's not practical. It's cool-looking
02:07:53 ◼ ► The Tesla halo warthog that's and I think it's fine to have that product for people who want that type of thing
02:08:00 ◼ ► I just hope they don't drive it on my roads because again, they're gonna kill more pedestrians with it or whatever but