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354: Casey's Computer Corner

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► It's a show about crash. We only have the Tesla halo left. Oh, it must have and

00:00:04 ◼   ► Man, and I didn't put on logging on colloquy this time. So I don't know if I can easily get to it. I'm sorry

00:00:11 ◼   ► BB out to the rescue

00:00:14 ◼   ► Casey's computer corner. All right. He's computer corner got a lot of suggestions. Wow. All right. I've got all our titles here ready

00:00:26 ◼   ► Messages too long and won't let me paste it. I'll do it in the Skype chat. All right

00:00:30 ◼   ► There you go

00:00:33 ◼   ► For the chat room if you want to be a lead to be be at attacks or like me

00:00:37 ◼   ► How did I get all these titles so quickly?

00:00:40 ◼   ► command a command C command tab command shift n

00:00:46 ◼   ► command shift P exclamation point s return

00:00:51 ◼   ► And then

00:00:54 ◼   ► command F dot slash s

00:00:57 ◼   ► dot star s exclamation point space

00:01:00 ◼   ► command equals command a

00:01:03 ◼   ► command C command tab command V

00:01:07 ◼   ► Those are all the keyboard commands that I type to get those titles out of the colloquy chat

00:01:14 ◼   ► Remove everything except for the tile suggestions remove everything except for the titles themselves and then paste them into slack

00:01:21 ◼   ► All from the keyboard I would have followed that easier if you were talking about destiny. I wanted to do one more I would do

00:01:28 ◼   ► command control s to sort and then I would do

00:01:31 ◼   ► Command shift D return to remove duplicates after they were sorted damn

00:01:36 ◼   ► sensitively like everything in BB edit

00:01:40 ◼   ► I have keyboard like I have keyboard shortcuts assigned to individual checkboxes in BB edit dialog

00:01:45 ◼   ► So when I do when I do command 50 to find or you know command F to do the grip thing

00:01:51 ◼   ► shift control n toggles case sensitivity

00:01:56 ◼   ► So I don't have to reach for that for that checkbox, right?

00:01:58 ◼   ► When you're doing shift control combos, you know, you're probably out of key commands

00:02:02 ◼   ► But I do you but the thing is about these key commands is where I had to think about it

00:02:06 ◼   ► It's like Emacs my fingers just know them and really if I have to re recite them

00:02:10 ◼   ► I have to like do them in my mind with my fingers and figure out what modifier keys they're hitting because they're so, you know

00:02:16 ◼   ► ingrained the the one I was using for getting the things called process lines and it can do more than

00:02:22 ◼   ► Just what I had to do but process lines. I was doing say I have a bunch of lines selected

00:02:26 ◼   ► I want you to do something with these lines and my default is usually

00:02:29 ◼   ► For every line that matches this expression put it into a new document window, right?

00:02:34 ◼   ► But there's a million other things that it can do with it

00:02:36 ◼   ► You know get lines that don't match get lines that do get matching lines into the clipboard

00:02:40 ◼   ► BB edit school people

00:02:44 ◼   ► In summary now, I'm closing some windows. I

00:02:47 ◼   ► Think everything's okay famous last words

00:02:51 ◼   ► So just to clarify it appears that you're recording for this podcast

00:02:56 ◼   ► Yes, it appears that I am recording for this podcast with the emphasis on appears

00:03:01 ◼   ► So call recording echo that you were hearing before is gone. That is correct. So you sound normal to yourself

00:03:07 ◼   ► You sound normal to us. I sound normal to you. I sound normal to me. Everything hypothetically is copacetic. Oh my god

00:03:14 ◼   ► I know you love this so much. Let's start out with Casey's computer corner. So Casey

00:03:19 ◼   ► What computer are you recording on right now? I like with to ask this every week. Yeah, you really do this is so bad

00:03:26 ◼   ► So I decided earlier or I decided over the weekend

00:03:30 ◼   ► But I didn't have time to execute the fact that the response begins with so I know it's gonna be good

00:03:35 ◼   ► There's gonna be a story here. It's gonna be some shenanigans. All right, what's going on? All right

00:03:40 ◼   ► so over the weekend, I thought to myself self what you need to do is you need to go back to Mojave and

00:03:44 ◼   ► see if that fixes all your woes and

00:03:46 ◼   ► That will at least give you more time on this broken iMac that I really just don't want to continue to mess with and

00:03:52 ◼   ► So today I finally have the time to sit down and do that and it occurred to me that I can't do

00:03:59 ◼   ► To the best of my knowledge

00:04:00 ◼   ► anyway

00:04:01 ◼   ► I can't do any sort of like internet recovery to get to Mojave and the only way I can get Mojave is to use a USB

00:04:06 ◼   ► Key, which I had built when Mojave was first out, but I didn't even know if I had that at first

00:04:12 ◼   ► So I find this USB key. I'm very excited very proud of past Casey. I go and I boot off the USB key

00:04:18 ◼   ► That works. No problem. I delete the existing, you know partitions or whatever. They're called in APFS world on on the onboard SSD

00:04:25 ◼   ► Everything's good. I go to click on

00:04:27 ◼   ► Okay install macro s Mojave or whatever it says in the installer and I click that and then I click continue and continue goes gray

00:04:34 ◼   ► You know, it's disabled

00:04:36 ◼   ► and I wait

00:04:38 ◼   ► Okay, five minutes have gone by

00:04:40 ◼   ► ten minutes

00:04:41 ◼   ► 15 minutes 20 minutes. Okay, apparently nothing is happening

00:04:45 ◼   ► This is something that Marco you have been saying a lot lately that I would like to echo

00:04:49 ◼   ► Why can we never get feedback from Apple when something doesn't go according to plan? Why?

00:04:54 ◼   ► Man to hell there's a whole log window on the installer, right? Is there yeah, you know, look at the log window

00:05:00 ◼   ► I didn't know there was one. That's totally a log window. I don't doubt it. I'm not arguing

00:05:04 ◼   ► It's just I had no idea you can get it to show everything or just errors. It's okay. I believe you

00:05:10 ◼   ► Well, I should have done that

00:05:11 ◼   ► But anyway one way or another it just froze as far as I was concerned and I didn't know the magical incantation

00:05:15 ◼   ► And this is where somebody's already tweeting at me. No, you idiot if you just go to the view menu. It's right there

00:05:19 ◼   ► Well, maybe it is

00:05:21 ◼   ► I think that's the command for it. I apologize everyone

00:05:25 ◼   ► I didn't realize it probably just would have shown like

00:05:28 ◼   ► Some line where it says doing the the whatever thing and then it just would have been on that line for 20 minutes

00:05:32 ◼   ► so it doesn't give you that much more information, but

00:05:34 ◼   ► One way or another I I decide okay. Well, this isn't working. So what's the next best thing?

00:05:41 ◼   ► I'll do a fresh install of Catalina and hope for the best I guess

00:05:45 ◼   ► Well, you came up after that. That was it for your Mojave. I tried a couple times tried it a couple times. Yeah, did you?

00:05:51 ◼   ► How did you erase the disk? How did you delete all the stuff? Because I have a feeling that's where things went wrong for you

00:05:57 ◼   ► So I booted using the Mojave USB key and went into disk utility and I deleted all the partitions on the hard drive

00:06:05 ◼   ► Did you reformat like the whole thing and put in a new partition table and instead of just removing the the first time?

00:06:13 ◼   ► No second time. Yes

00:06:15 ◼   ► Yeah, the log window probably would help

00:06:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm not trying to say that it's not my fault some way somehow

00:06:20 ◼   ► But what I am trying to say is I got no actionable feedback. Yes. I understand

00:06:26 ◼   ► I should have looked for a log window I get that but what I was seeing on screen

00:06:29 ◼   ► Was nothing and so eventually I said I screwed. All right, I'll do an internet recovery of Catalina, which I did and

00:06:36 ◼   ► I did that at about 3 p.m. Today and it is currently 10 past 9 p.m. So

00:06:41 ◼   ► cutting it by the skin of my teeth which makes Marco Oh so happy but

00:06:46 ◼   ► Anyway, so I'm on my iMac. I'm on the same iMac I've had but I

00:06:51 ◼   ► think I

00:06:54 ◼   ► Finally made a decision and I think what I'm going to do is I think tomorrow I'm going to order a custom

00:07:02 ◼   ► 16 inch MacBook Pro which to be clear

00:07:05 ◼   ► Clear I don't want a 16 inch MacBook Pro and I do kind of like having a desktop

00:07:14 ◼   ► but the more I think about it the more I think getting an iMac and a

00:07:19 ◼   ► fantasy 14 inch MacBook Pro is the

00:07:23 ◼   ► most

00:07:24 ◼   ► Right answer if I'm willing to set many thousands of dollars aflame

00:07:28 ◼   ► But if I want the best

00:07:31 ◼   ► compromise and the best all things to all people if you will I

00:07:36 ◼   ► Feel like the best decision right now leaving Plex aside which we're going to talk about in a minute

00:07:42 ◼   ► Leaving Plex aside the best decision for right now for me is to get the 16-inch see what I see how I feel about it

00:07:49 ◼   ► I mean if I really hate it I can return it in two weeks

00:07:51 ◼   ► Hypothetically and if I at least think it's passable then I could always resell it

00:07:56 ◼   ► I mean there will be a penalty financially like we had spoken about last episode

00:07:59 ◼   ► But I can always resell it for some modicum of money

00:08:02 ◼   ► And and so I feel like the 16 and one or two

00:08:07 ◼   ► External displays and I'm still wrestling with myself what I want to do there

00:08:10 ◼   ► Which we can talk about if and if you guys are interested at all

00:08:13 ◼   ► But anyway, the 16 with one or two external displays

00:08:16 ◼   ► I think is gonna be the best compromise because it's got

00:08:21 ◼   ► Mega air quotes here all of the power of the Mac Pro that I would buy the excuse me the iMac Pro that I would

00:08:28 ◼   ► Buy I know that's not strictly true. I'm just saying for the purposes of this conversation. I think it's probably good enough

00:08:34 ◼   ► So anyways, it's got all of the power again air quotes of the iMac Pro

00:08:39 ◼   ► I would likely buy it's got the portability to a degree that I still want and I can always put

00:08:47 ◼   ► Effectively an iMac monitor on it. Well not on it or connect to it

00:08:52 ◼   ► You know an iMac monitor and end up basically where I am now except the computer is actually reliable who'd have thought how desperate is my?

00:08:59 ◼   ► World that I'm saying. Oh, I hope this Apple laptop is more reliable

00:09:02 ◼   ► Things have changed since just a week or two ago

00:09:06 ◼   ► Anyway, so I think tomorrow or maybe at the end of the week people are pointing out on Black Friday

00:09:11 ◼   ► You know, you might get a gift card or something like that. Totally. I yeah

00:09:14 ◼   ► I might wait till the end of the week one way or another I think sometime this week

00:09:18 ◼   ► I will be ordering a 16-inch MacBook Pro. So I

00:09:21 ◼   ► Would like to discuss with the two of you the the build

00:09:25 ◼   ► I think I want but before we get there any commentary thoughts input from you Marco. I don't hear what John has to say

00:09:32 ◼   ► I know what John has to say. What's your plan for the monitor? So I'm wrestling with three well, I

00:09:43 ◼   ► Guess one and a half or two and a half options. So the most obvious option is just get the LG ultra fine

00:09:49 ◼   ► Whatever it's called, which is like $1,300 or something like that, which is a lot of money, especially when the computer

00:09:54 ◼   ► I'm looking at is probably gonna be almost four thousand dollars as it is

00:09:58 ◼   ► So by getting this laptop and a LG I'm spending the same money as an iMac Pro anyway

00:10:04 ◼   ► So that's hard for me to swallow. But the obvious answer is get the LG

00:10:09 ◼   ► Ultra fine 5k or whatever the hell it's called

00:10:12 ◼   ► What I think I'm going to do is I'm gonna go back to the days from a couple years ago

00:10:17 ◼   ► when I was rocking two

00:10:20 ◼   ► 22 inch 4k displays at my last job II job and I actually really like that

00:10:27 ◼   ► It's not as much real estate on either panel as the 5k and it might even be that it's not as much in

00:10:32 ◼   ► In conclusion what's what I'm looking for in it as in total

00:10:37 ◼   ► Thank you as the 5k but it worked out pretty well a couple of years ago

00:10:41 ◼   ► And the monitor that I had which admittedly was not great, but for my purposes was more than enough

00:10:47 ◼   ► It was out will link it in the show notes, but it was some like

00:10:50 ◼   ► I think was an old it doesn't matter

00:10:53 ◼   ► It was some 4k display that ran just fine and it was sufficient and it's like 200 or 250 bucks

00:11:00 ◼   ► So I could get two of these for like 500 ish dollars. You have four of them for the price of the LG or five

00:11:07 ◼   ► right exactly, so I

00:11:09 ◼   ► So my what I think I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get the 16

00:11:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna get one of these 4k monitors and start there and see what I think and

00:11:18 ◼   ► Then if I feel like I really need more real estate

00:11:22 ◼   ► I'm going to go and get an identical second 4k monitor and at that point I would

00:11:28 ◼   ► Presumably run in clamshell when shy and which Marco I'd like you to tell me what you told me in slack the other day in

00:11:33 ◼   ► a moment

00:11:33 ◼   ► but yes

00:11:34 ◼   ► presumably I would run in clamshell at that point and have these two identical monitors side by side of my desk and

00:11:39 ◼   ► In theory everything will be great. And the thing I like about this is I can spend all

00:11:45 ◼   ► quote-unquote only

00:11:47 ◼   ► 250 bucks whatever it is for this monitor and then if I want another one, I just get another one

00:11:51 ◼   ► It's not that big a deal like $250. It's a lot of money, but all told it's not an unreasonable amount of money

00:11:57 ◼   ► But you really rocked my world in the not so excellent way

00:12:00 ◼   ► Although useful way when you told me something in slack the other day

00:12:04 ◼   ► Yeah

00:12:04 ◼   ► and by the way first before I get to that we've heard from anonymous tipster in the chat that I

00:12:09 ◼   ► Forgot about this that the return policy is longer right now because of the holidays

00:12:13 ◼   ► anything that you buy

00:12:16 ◼   ► After November 15th can be returned until January 8th. Oh

00:12:20 ◼   ► I didn't know that so you have you have a little bit longer on Apple's standard return policy right now

00:12:26 ◼   ► So that's that's good to know. So thank you anonymous tipster. That is good to know

00:12:29 ◼   ► So what I said the other day in the chat

00:12:31 ◼   ► Well, you know you were talking about these options and going back to this thing

00:12:34 ◼   ► You did it work and everything and and you know

00:12:36 ◼   ► We were hearing from different friends and listeners who were talking about how you know, they use their laptop

00:12:41 ◼   ► You know as a desktop and it's just fine and I did it for years myself

00:12:44 ◼   ► I talked about it here like I for years I had my 15 inch laptop or my 13 inch MacBook, you know at certain times

00:12:50 ◼   ► next to a

00:12:52 ◼   ► 17 inch to 24 inch monitor and it was fine for years

00:12:56 ◼   ► The major difference seems to be whether this setup works reliably or not

00:13:02 ◼   ► Seems to be whether you use clamshell mode on the laptop. It's whether you keep the laptop closed and plugged up into it

00:13:07 ◼   ► Or whether you open the laptop and use its screen in addition to the monitor that you had possibly up on a stand to make

00:13:14 ◼   ► It look nicer and you know get the correct height and everything

00:13:16 ◼   ► so if you use the laptop up on a stand with an external monitor and

00:13:21 ◼   ► You never have to operate the laptop closed with external stuff connected to it

00:13:25 ◼   ► It is it is way more reliable

00:13:28 ◼   ► Clamshell mode where you have it closed and stuff plugged in has always been flaky and

00:13:33 ◼   ► Seems there seems to be no end in sight to its flakiness. It seems like it's it has been flaky

00:13:38 ◼   ► It will be flaky as things were things will always be like it's just it will always be problematic for various reasons

00:13:43 ◼   ► But if you leave a laptop open and use it as one of your monitors that seems to work a lot better

00:13:50 ◼   ► So even though it's still no iMac

00:13:53 ◼   ► That I think gets you a lot closer in in various, you know reliability

00:13:59 ◼   ► and utility ways

00:14:01 ◼   ► Yeah, and that's what I did at work was I did clamshell and the two identical monitors and it actually worked

00:14:07 ◼   ► Mostly well, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement by any stretch

00:14:14 ◼   ► Especially like like we have to grade on the KC curve here like for you saying something worked mostly well, that's pretty bad actually

00:14:20 ◼   ► You can be like, well, it only rebooted three times a day. It worked mostly well. I

00:14:24 ◼   ► Really want to argue with you, but I can't

00:14:28 ◼   ► Real-time follow-up from me to me the monitor. I was talking about I think I said 22. It's actually a 24 inch LG monitor

00:14:35 ◼   ► I will link it in the show notes 24 UD 58 - B. It's an LG monitor obviously, right?

00:14:41 ◼   ► Obviously so memorable right now in an Amazon in the in the u.s.

00:14:46 ◼   ► $250 in free shipping which for a 4k monitor is nothing again

00:14:51 ◼   ► I'm not trying to say $250 isn't a lot of money, but for what you're getting that is not a lot of money

00:14:55 ◼   ► So again, I could get two of these for 500 bucks. That's

00:15:00 ◼   ► Nothing. This is one of those things where like if you're willing to accept something that isn't quite a hundred percent of what everyone else

00:15:06 ◼   ► Considers like greater or like the maximum you can save a disproportionate amount of money. It's like like jumping from

00:15:12 ◼   ► 4k to 5k

00:15:14 ◼   ► Proportionally is not that different from jumping from 5k to the 6k XDR, right?

00:15:19 ◼   ► It's like you can you can have a 5k monitor or you can have a 6k monitor for about five times the price

00:15:25 ◼   ► You can have a 4k monitor or you can have a 5k monitor for about five times its price

00:15:31 ◼   ► Yeah, so if you're happy with going one step down you can save a butt ton of money

00:15:35 ◼   ► This is my PlayStation monitor, by the way, it's my destiny monitor

00:15:39 ◼   ► Oh, I didn't realize that like you did because we talked about it when I first got it for my PlayStation

00:15:43 ◼   ► You said you had the same ones at work. Oh, yeah, that's right

00:15:45 ◼   ► Cuz we were looking at the stickers and all that I'd forgotten about that. That's such a terrible stand though

00:15:49 ◼   ► I still don't like the stand. Oh, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. There's nothing I can do to defend the stand

00:15:54 ◼   ► It doesn't move in any way shape or I think it might tilt slightly if I remember right

00:15:58 ◼   ► Well, my thing is that even forget about moving it does tilt but like it's so wobbly

00:16:02 ◼   ► Like I can't have any part of my body touching the desk cuz then little it'll do a little head wobble

00:16:07 ◼   ► Yeah, but but was it $1,000?

00:16:09 ◼   ► It's not HDR not that this matters for your purposes

00:16:13 ◼   ► But like when I was looking for it, it was it was difficult to find an IPS 4k

00:16:17 ◼   ► PlayStation monitor essentially with HDMI input and

00:16:22 ◼   ► HDR now it is not hard to find it. But this one doesn't have it just so you're clear

00:16:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean and it doesn't have the like wide gamut color

00:16:30 ◼   ► Your photos on they're gonna look all weird there are problems with this for sure

00:16:36 ◼   ► I'm not saying this is perfect, but for the purposes of doing the normal things that I do writing code

00:16:42 ◼   ► I

00:16:43 ◼   ► Goofing off on the internet. Oh

00:16:45 ◼   ► writing blog posts like for all of those sorts of things this is more than sufficient and

00:16:49 ◼   ► It's cheap enough that if I got one and I decide that the 16-inch life isn't so bad

00:16:56 ◼   ► I feel like I wouldn't hate myself if I put this aside and then got the LG 5k later on

00:17:03 ◼   ► You know what? I mean? Like it's

00:17:05 ◼   ► $500 if this one monitor was $500 I would want to just

00:17:09 ◼   ► Figure it out up front, you know decide am I getting the LG 5k or am I getting this?

00:17:13 ◼   ► You know, well LG 4k

00:17:15 ◼   ► but since it's only 250 bucks like just give it a shot man like try it for a little while and

00:17:20 ◼   ► Even if you don't like it, it's not gonna be the end of the earth. So current plan I think is 16-inch MacBook Pro again

00:17:27 ◼   ► We got to talk about specs, but John I will give you a chance to berate me first

00:17:30 ◼   ► 16 inch MacBook Pro with an

00:17:33 ◼   ► External monitor maybe two but probably just one and just see what I think about it and see how it goes

00:17:39 ◼   ► And we still have to solve my Plex problems as well, but we'll get to that in a minute

00:17:42 ◼   ► So John feel free to tell me how terrible laptops are one last time

00:17:46 ◼   ► You're gonna spend like thirty eight hundred bucks for a laptop

00:17:49 ◼   ► You don't even want

00:17:50 ◼   ► and then you're gonna and then your desktop thing is gonna be an ugly cheap monitor with a bunch of cables snaking out of it you're

00:17:56 ◼   ► gonna buy a

00:17:58 ◼   ► docking station of any kind

00:18:00 ◼   ► You know, I was looking at that earlier tonight and I think the answer is yes

00:18:03 ◼   ► But the problem I've run into is based on five minutes of research

00:18:07 ◼   ► So this is not an exhaustive, you know deep dive by any means but based on five minutes of research

00:18:12 ◼   ► I didn't find any that looked like they did what I wanted them to do which is I would like two

00:18:19 ◼   ► monitor outputs

00:18:21 ◼   ► That can each run 4k at 60 frames a second because I would

00:18:26 ◼   ► Hypothetically plug in two of these LG monitors and that basically means two display port outputs from the stocking station

00:18:33 ◼   ► And there was one of I think there was like a Dell that might work with with Mac OS that would do it

00:18:38 ◼   ► They're all ugly

00:18:39 ◼   ► It seems like the ones that have the exact port configuration I want are basically

00:18:43 ◼   ► Made by either HP or Dell or something like that. So like the Cal digital Thunderbolt port things Thunderbolt dock things

00:18:51 ◼   ► Those are expensive but those seem to be reliable

00:18:53 ◼   ► I believe this cost about as much as the monitor they do first of all and well

00:18:57 ◼   ► That's what I was getting at with it when I was saying thirty eight hundred dollars for a lot of you don't want and also probably

00:19:01 ◼   ► A docking station and if you want a good one, that's really expensive, too

00:19:04 ◼   ► So now you're spending a whole lot of money for this giant octopus hydra frankenstein thing

00:19:08 ◼   ► But you think it's gonna be more reliable than your single computer that you can't get working

00:19:11 ◼   ► Well, yes

00:19:13 ◼   ► Everything you just said is accurate the Cal digit Cal digit TS 3 plus is wire cutters pick and the problem with that is it only

00:19:19 ◼   ► Has one display port out and I would want two of them

00:19:23 ◼   ► I don't know if that's possible

00:19:25 ◼   ► The monitor has HDMI in two so you might be able to do it like one display port and one HDMI

00:19:29 ◼   ► Right, if you can get 60 Hertz out of it, though

00:19:31 ◼   ► That's the thing though is when I tried this at work admittedly a couple of years ago when I ran with HDMI

00:19:37 ◼   ► It's exactly what Marco said. It was only 30 Hertz which I said for four and a half seconds

00:19:42 ◼   ► I was like, oh, that'll be oh god. No

00:19:44 ◼   ► HDMI does support 60 hertz just maybe not on the standards of these things from but I don't know you have to look into it

00:19:51 ◼   ► Just see like I'm saying is that this this dock thing is another place where the the aggregate

00:19:57 ◼   ► Viability of your system can really fall down and if you don't do it, you can plug 17 cables

00:20:01 ◼   ► Well, not seven you before cables

00:20:02 ◼   ► You got one for power one for one monitor one for the other monitor and then you got a one port left for any other thing

00:20:07 ◼   ► You need to do and that will work but have fun plugging and unplugging that every time you sit on your desk, right?

00:20:12 ◼   ► No, I agree. And so that's why suddenly the LG it's still a lot more money. But the fact that it works as a

00:20:19 ◼   ► Semi docking station is extremely appealing and I think the the problem the biggest problem

00:20:25 ◼   ► I have with the LG is that in order to get the LG and the

00:20:28 ◼   ► $3,800 computer is the same money I would buy I would spend on the damn iMac Pro now the thing that is I can't bring

00:20:34 ◼   ► The damn iMac Pro over to the library unless I mark. Oh you can I can recommend a case

00:20:39 ◼   ► Exactly, but you take my point is that the this in my fantasy world gets me two computers for the price of one

00:20:48 ◼   ► I know that's not really true. Don't jump all over me. Just hear hear out the spirit of my argument here

00:20:53 ◼   ► It gets me two computers for the price of one whereas the iMac Pro only solves the at-home situation. It does not solve the library slash

00:21:01 ◼   ► Wegmans grocery store situation solve that one when the new

00:21:04 ◼   ► 13-inch slash 14-inch comes out I can but I'm so sick of using the adorable with its tiny little screen and it's awful processor

00:21:12 ◼   ► I bought that computer anyway, I

00:21:14 ◼   ► Know but at the time I didn't think I would be using it to do these sorts of things

00:21:18 ◼   ► It's your one computer that still works

00:21:20 ◼   ► Well actually funny you bring that up earlier today my H key was getting sticky so I took compressed air to it and now

00:21:27 ◼   ► Hours later my left shift key is sticking and I can't get it to work reliably should have held it out the window longer on

00:21:32 ◼   ► that car trip yeah

00:21:34 ◼   ► So surprised you your butterfly keyboard isn't reliable. I know I imagine that I've heard that before you must be one of the small percentage of customers

00:21:41 ◼   ► Yeah, right

00:21:42 ◼   ► I think what what is most likely to happen here is you're going to spend a lot of money on a laptop setup

00:21:50 ◼   ► You're gonna spend so much on it that you're not going to want to ever buy a desktop during its lifetime

00:21:55 ◼   ► But really what you probably should do is have both

00:21:57 ◼   ► But I don't know I mean the kind of like BS and flakiness that John and I find with using laptops as desktops is

00:22:06 ◼   ► Also the kind of stuff that you tend to not mind and ignore

00:22:09 ◼   ► In a way, I think I think I'm talking myself into this like for you

00:22:14 ◼   ► No, we're trying to we're trying to give him a better life

00:22:17 ◼   ► We're not trying to allow him to wallow in his continued misery like that

00:22:20 ◼   ► I think the idea of buying something with it where you get the $200 gift card like I don't know if that accounts with a

00:22:25 ◼   ► refurb thing or whatever

00:22:26 ◼   ► You can get some kind of good deal on a two-year-old iMac Pro with the $200 gift card

00:22:30 ◼   ► You'd feel a lot better about that purchase and you can feel better waiting patiently for the smaller laptop that you actually want

00:22:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean because it probably isn't that far off

00:22:41 ◼   ► You know, I have tried the lifestyle of specing up at 15 inch to try to replace a desktop

00:22:47 ◼   ► I've been there only a few years ago. I tried that and it was you know, it was a very expensive mistake

00:22:53 ◼   ► basically, I spent a lot of money on a well-specced 15 inch that

00:22:58 ◼   ► Worked as a kind of crappy desktop and and eventually I'm like this was stupid

00:23:04 ◼   ► I'm buying a case to bring the desktop to the beach and and I was much happier doing that

00:23:08 ◼   ► that being said I

00:23:10 ◼   ► Care less about money and more about desktops working really awesomely than you do

00:23:15 ◼   ► So this is probably the right thing for you. I really hate to say it. I would only say

00:23:22 ◼   ► try not to spend too much money on this setup because

00:23:26 ◼   ► Down the road if you decide you know what you'd rather have a desktop

00:23:30 ◼   ► You're you're you will not want to make that jump if you've sunk a lot of money into this setup

00:23:35 ◼   ► Laptops are best when they are kept on the lower end of the price spectrum

00:23:41 ◼   ► Replaced more frequently as opposed to you know, like kept forever like, you know replaced every couple of years

00:23:46 ◼   ► Maybe two, you know two to three years. I'd say is like the ideal way to have a laptop if you can and

00:23:51 ◼   ► You're when you're not trying to make it a desktop

00:23:54 ◼   ► Like I love using my laptop as a laptop when I have to because I'm not trying to make it a desktop

00:23:59 ◼   ► When I try to make it a desktop is when I start getting miserable with like, oh I can hear the fan

00:24:04 ◼   ► Oh God or oh this monitor didn't turn on or whatever

00:24:08 ◼   ► You know, there's issues like that right or like hey, you know, the Ethernet doesn't work reliably out through this dongle

00:24:14 ◼   ► And I wish I had a desktop that then I wouldn't need a dongle

00:24:17 ◼   ► It's just built in you know stuff like that. You will run into all those issues

00:24:20 ◼   ► But the question is whether you care more than you care to keep a few thousand more dollars

00:24:26 ◼   ► I think it's cheaper for him to buy a

00:24:28 ◼   ► You know an inexpensive

00:24:31 ◼   ► refurb iMac Pro with the $200 gift card now and wait for the 13 inch that he wants his total aggregate cost is gonna be less than

00:24:38 ◼   ► Trying to control costs on a weird, you know, Frankenstein

00:24:41 ◼   ► MacBook Pro 16 inch setup now that he may need to sell parts of and

00:24:45 ◼   ► also going down this rabbit hole of like how am I gonna deal with my plex

00:24:49 ◼   ► situation and then still buying the 13 inch when it comes out and trying to figure out how to transform this all into a desktop it

00:24:54 ◼   ► is cheaper to do to get the

00:24:57 ◼   ► Desktop that you want for as cheap price you can get on Black Friday and then waiting a few months and getting the 13 inch you

00:25:03 ◼   ► Want maybe not spec'd up as much because now the iMac Pro handles their heavy-duty needs and then you're done and there's no like

00:25:08 ◼   ► Fidgeting with that setup. I think that will be less money than what you're describing now

00:25:13 ◼   ► Yes, because and we'll get into specs in a second if you can get away with one of the base models

00:25:19 ◼   ► You can save a lot of money because not only are the upgrades grossly overpriced

00:25:24 ◼   ► Generally speaking and you get killed on reset value on the upgrades as we mentioned last week, but also the base models are often

00:25:29 ◼   ► discounted during various sales or things like Black Friday or deals with certain retailers where you know

00:25:35 ◼   ► You know

00:25:35 ◼   ► You go to like B&H your Best Buy on a random day and it'll be like

00:25:39 ◼   ► $150 off one of the two base configurations for no particular reason like you can get

00:25:43 ◼   ► Really good deals on those base models and they're a good deal to begin with compared to upgrades

00:25:48 ◼   ► so if you can bring the

00:25:50 ◼   ► cost of your laptop option down

00:25:53 ◼   ► By offloading that heavy work to a desktop over time. That's an easier solution

00:25:58 ◼   ► That's why you may be able to get away with well sort of get away with

00:26:02 ◼   ► Having the world's crappiest laptop as your laptop these last few years because you have a desktop for your heavy lifting. Yeah

00:26:09 ◼   ► Yeah, and that's the thing is, you know

00:26:11 ◼   ► sitting here now the specs that I think I want are on the assumption that this is not the

00:26:18 ◼   ► Satellite computer. This is the all the time computer and and my argument is make it the satellite computer

00:26:25 ◼   ► I would rather use a

00:26:27 ◼   ► Four year old iMac as my primary computer than a brand new top-of-the-line laptop

00:26:33 ◼   ► See and I don't know if I feel the same way and if would it would be different if this iMac wasn't such a pile

00:26:38 ◼   ► of garbage that never works like

00:26:40 ◼   ► You you still get to buy something on Black Friday and it'll be cool and shiny

00:26:45 ◼   ► And don't just try to forget that it's two years old get a good deal on it get your gift card buy something on Black

00:26:50 ◼   ► Friday feel good about it and

00:26:52 ◼   ► Set that thing up and get everything all settled

00:26:54 ◼   ► So you have a reliable podcasting setup and all your Plex stuff is dealt with and then just wait patiently on this program every week

00:27:00 ◼   ► We'll check to see if the new small laptops came out

00:27:02 ◼   ► I think that would give you the most overall happiness

00:27:05 ◼   ► The only downside is that you can't do it all yet because that laptop doesn't exist yet. That's the only downside

00:27:12 ◼   ► So if you can just make it until the spring, I think you'd be better off that being said

00:27:16 ◼   ► If if you don't care that much about the additional size as I mentioned last week

00:27:22 ◼   ► I think the 16 inch base model is going to be a

00:27:25 ◼   ► Significantly good value compared to a similarly specked up 13 inch or 14 whatever it ends up being

00:27:30 ◼   ► And so if you don't mind the size of the 16 and you want this extra six months of using it

00:27:38 ◼   ► Make the 16 that that computer for you. Just don't spec it up and make it too expensive

00:27:43 ◼   ► get one of those two base models and

00:27:46 ◼   ► You're done and you can get it probably a really good deal on it

00:27:49 ◼   ► And that's it and it's not gonna be that much more than the 13 and you have it now

00:27:54 ◼   ► But also have a desktop in the mix because that will be you know

00:27:58 ◼   ► the best overall setup and whether you keep your current iMac for a little while longer and tolerate it and just

00:28:02 ◼   ► Use laptop temporarily as your primary without going and buying a bunch of stuff

00:28:07 ◼   ► Actually is using it like using its screen as your screen

00:28:10 ◼   ► Like you don't have to set it up as a desktop if it's only temporary

00:28:13 ◼   ► Lots of people use laptops as desktops full-time

00:28:16 ◼   ► I mean you shouldn't without like a standing external keyboard and everything but you can a lot of people do

00:28:21 ◼   ► So like if it's if the idea is the setup that you want is not great right now and you want to wait for a while

00:28:27 ◼   ► Then you can do that too that being said

00:28:31 ◼   ► There is no reason to wait for a desktop

00:28:34 ◼   ► so I think just spend the seven grand or whatever it would be to get both of these things right now and be done with

00:28:41 ◼   ► It because you're a professional this is a critical part of your job

00:28:44 ◼   ► You know, like you're not you're not like a broke 19 year old college kid like you

00:28:49 ◼   ► yeah, you have jobs that require these things and I feel like you're so stuck on this idea like I don't want to spend

00:28:58 ◼   ► $7,000 in at the same time basically

00:29:02 ◼   ► What's the difference if you spend some of it now and some of it in six months?

00:29:05 ◼   ► What's the difference who cares when you have to spend it?

00:29:09 ◼   ► These are computers that you buy every like, you know, two to four years

00:29:13 ◼   ► They happen to coincide right now at the same time

00:29:16 ◼   ► If you buy both systems now, you might be able to get to $200 gift cards. Yeah, right

00:29:20 ◼   ► Like seriously, like it doesn't it's it's an irrational thing to say like I just don't like the idea of you know

00:29:27 ◼   ► And look a lot of pricing and buying decisions are irrational. I'm not blaming you for it being irrational

00:29:33 ◼   ► But it is irrational you're saying like I don't want to spend all this money right now. Why?

00:29:37 ◼   ► You need two computers right now. Basically you have a desktop. That's Brit

00:29:42 ◼   ► That's breaking constantly and you have a laptop that's woefully underpowered for the things you want to do with it

00:29:46 ◼   ► And also by the way, the keyboard is gonna die constantly. So like you have two

00:29:50 ◼   ► Computers that are not satisfying your needs

00:29:53 ◼   ► your lifestyle does seem to need two computers basically or at least two setups a portable one and a stationary one and

00:29:59 ◼   ► You make good money with this job. Just do it

00:30:03 ◼   ► Just get them both now and solve this problem and then we can talk about other things next week

00:30:06 ◼   ► You know, I shouldn't have brought this up with you two because I was so confident in my decision

00:30:13 ◼   ► You're ruining everything my solution by everything John's solution by nothing. What a surprise

00:30:19 ◼   ► I was willing to I was willing to bargain down to buy the iMac now to get the good Black Friday deal because $200 gift card

00:30:25 ◼   ► Is is basically $200 off for someone like Casey who's guaranteed to spend money in Apple stuff

00:30:30 ◼   ► It's not like he's gonna let that go to waste, right?

00:30:32 ◼   ► So that's a good deal and if you can get a really good deal on an iMac Pro

00:30:35 ◼   ► That's good and him buying one will trigger them to update that model. So that's good for everybody else. Yeah, right

00:30:39 ◼   ► Basically, it's giving him a way to satisfy his insatiable need to buy something immediately and then you of course say why don't you just buy

00:30:47 ◼   ► Everything but I'm willing to say buy half the things on Black Friday

00:30:50 ◼   ► It's a reasonable expenditure and then just wait for the laptop

00:30:53 ◼   ► But I'm also mostly endorsed Marcos deal

00:30:56 ◼   ► But this is my least favorite thing idea is spending a huge amount of money on a crazy laptop setup

00:31:01 ◼   ► That is my least favorite by far. You don't say yeah, and then I really because I know we have this notes here

00:31:07 ◼   ► we really I do have to move on because otherwise this whole show is just gonna be okay seeing this computer as

00:31:11 ◼   ► You still have the the Plex problem and that whole other rat hole and if you can get the iMac

00:31:16 ◼   ► You don't have that problem anymore

00:31:17 ◼   ► It's like I'll just run it on my iMac and it'll be fine because I don't want to talk about the 8,000 options for Plex

00:31:21 ◼   ► Servers right now. Yeah, so let me let me touch on that very very very briefly

00:31:25 ◼   ► First of all with regard to the iMac

00:31:27 ◼   ► I did want to bring up that I didn't last week that it does seem like I don't think I said this last week

00:31:32 ◼   ► It does seem like the stuttering with the mouse is considerably worse when the trackpad is not plugged in

00:31:37 ◼   ► So when it's operating over Bluetooth really bad when it's operating via the lightning to USB connector

00:31:43 ◼   ► It's actually not nearly as bad and I don't know what that means really other than weirdness. It's still not right

00:31:50 ◼   ► Correct. Well, and I don't I don't know how this new Catalina build is going so far

00:31:55 ◼   ► I've I mean it I haven't crashed in the last three hours. So that's good. But um again, we're gonna Casey curve

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00:33:43 ◼   ► So with regard to Plex a lot of people wrote in a few different things which are very very reasonable

00:33:51 ◼   ► Questions that I should have gotten in front of because I've had to answer them about 400 times each very quickly number one

00:33:57 ◼   ► Why don't I use the Synology because it's too darn slow

00:34:00 ◼   ► I actually just restarted if you will Plex on my Synology to confirm to myself how slow it is and even just

00:34:06 ◼   ► Browsing my library which is not that unreasonably large is slow

00:34:10 ◼   ► But the real issue is if I ever need to transcode anything

00:34:13 ◼   ► It's just not quick enough because my Synology is six years old now and people often very smartly said well

00:34:20 ◼   ► Just transcode and when you ingest things, you know

00:34:22 ◼   ► So if you could get some sort of weird MKV with like web M or something just put that in you know

00:34:27 ◼   ► H.264 and put it in an mp4 and be done with it. Yes, that's true and that works when I'm in the house

00:34:32 ◼   ► But what happens when I'm at Disney World and the network connection is god-awful and it needs to transcode down to like

00:34:38 ◼   ► 480 for me to be able to watch this you two don't jump on me about watching 480 stuff. That's irrelevant

00:34:43 ◼   ► So the point is if I ever want to watch something from outside the house or you know

00:34:48 ◼   ► Maybe on the phone where I want it to be not quite so high quality

00:34:52 ◼   ► Then the Synology falls on its face newer Synology's do support doing transcoding particularly the Intel ones

00:34:58 ◼   ► But the problem with that is that's like Mac Pro iMac Pro money. Wait you say Intel he's working on affluent

00:35:05 ◼   ► Give him a break a fluid

00:35:07 ◼   ► Anyway point is the the doo doo doo doo powered ones

00:35:12 ◼   ► Those are those are capable of doing transcoding on the fly

00:35:17 ◼   ► But the problem is if I were to upgrade my Synology I would want to get a whole new setup and use the existing one

00:35:22 ◼   ► Is off-site backup for reasons?

00:35:24 ◼   ► I don't want to get into so that's like iMac Pro money as well just to solve a problem

00:35:29 ◼   ► That actually is about the only thing in my life. That isn't currently a problem. I say as I knock on, you know, my glass top desk

00:35:34 ◼   ► Anyway, that must have hurt. Yeah. No, actually wasn't that bad a

00:35:39 ◼   ► Lot of people recommended in infuse infuse. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know where I don't know

00:35:44 ◼   ► If the emphasis is on right syllable or what but anyway, it's pronounced if you say if you say I don't know

00:35:49 ◼   ► A lot of people must be Italian

00:35:51 ◼   ► A lot of people say you know use infuse

00:35:57 ◼   ► But that doesn't work if I want to share with my family or if I want to use

00:36:02 ◼   ► If I want to use that from outside the house

00:36:05 ◼   ► So what I've come up with is two different options if I do want to solve this with something other than iMac Pro number one

00:36:11 ◼   ► I've heard the Nvidia shield

00:36:13 ◼   ► For most people works pretty well as a Plex server

00:36:16 ◼   ► We actually have a mutual friend who is sending me one

00:36:20 ◼   ► So because he doesn't need it anymore

00:36:23 ◼   ► Which is very kind of him and I will eventually plug his

00:36:26 ◼   ► Stuff if if this ends up working out and he says that's okay because I don't know if he wanted to do this anonymously or not

00:36:31 ◼   ► Anyway, so I'm gonna try that just see how it works can't hurt to try right and the second thing is the actual right ist answer

00:36:38 ◼   ► But because I'm a petulant child

00:36:39 ◼   ► I refuse to listen to reason and that's to get an Intel NUC what I don't know what that stands for

00:36:43 ◼   ► But one of those little tiny computers next unit of computing I believe

00:36:46 ◼   ► something like that

00:36:47 ◼   ► But anyways to get a NUC and put like Ubuntu or something on it and run Plex on there and just be done with it

00:36:54 ◼   ► But I have no interest in in administering a Linux machine. Like this is the same reason that I have my website on Heroku

00:37:00 ◼   ► I just don't want to deal with it. And so a NUC is the right answer

00:37:05 ◼   ► But because I'm a petulant child, I don't want to listen to reason

00:37:07 ◼   ► So I'm gonna try the I'm gonna try the Nvidia shield assuming that I don't have an iMac Pro here in the next week

00:37:13 ◼   ► Try the Nvidia shield see how that works out and take it from there

00:37:18 ◼   ► So yeah, that's the end of cases computer corner unless you guys have other things to add

00:37:23 ◼   ► I would like to challenge your entire identity on one other point actually. Oh god

00:37:26 ◼   ► all right, so

00:37:30 ◼   ► You put a lot into this Plex up. Mm-hmm. Is this all worth it?

00:37:37 ◼   ► I've had that thought over the last couple of days

00:37:39 ◼   ► Because like like what if instead of using Plex for all these things

00:37:45 ◼   ► What if instead every time you wanted to watch some TV show movie?

00:37:49 ◼   ► You just bought it or streamed it on a service and just paid for it

00:37:52 ◼   ► And if you added up all that money that you would spend over time

00:37:56 ◼   ► Would it actually be more than what you're spending on all these hard drives the computer?

00:38:03 ◼   ► That's gonna run the Plex server or the power that keeps them all on

00:38:07 ◼   ► Like what are you actually coming out meaningfully ahead to make it worth all this trouble?

00:38:11 ◼   ► I think there's stuff that he just can't find anywhere like if all those top gears that you have and everything

00:38:16 ◼   ► I can you even buy them anywhere. I don't think so, but I haven't had a need to look because I've already had them

00:38:22 ◼   ► I think you've hit the nail on the head though that Plex does satisfy

00:38:26 ◼   ► Needs that I don't know that anything else can scratch most especially like there is some I get in a kind of unreasonable amount of

00:38:35 ◼   ► pleasure in

00:38:36 ◼   ► Collecting these things and so like take an example

00:38:40 ◼   ► Declan really likes the show Paw Patrol and Nick Jr.

00:38:43 ◼   ► You know every week will put up like another episode of Paw Patrol that you can stream for free

00:38:48 ◼   ► You know you don't have to log into anything

00:38:49 ◼   ► It's just there and I will capture those episodes and stuff them in Plex, and I feel like that's okay

00:38:56 ◼   ► It's probably not strictly speaking, but I feel like it's okay because I'm not logging into anything

00:38:59 ◼   ► It's just free on the internet

00:39:01 ◼   ► And it just so happens that I've saved it off you provided them an off-site backup of their content

00:39:06 ◼   ► You know thank you Marco. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm providing them a service really they should be paying me right so anyway

00:39:11 ◼   ► So I've saved all these off and so now I have almost the entire run of Paw Patrol

00:39:14 ◼   ► Is that this is so dumb like I hear the words coming out of my mouth

00:39:17 ◼   ► It's so dumb

00:39:18 ◼   ► But I get some amount of pleasure over the collecting and assembling of all of this stuff like Top Gear like as silly as it

00:39:25 ◼   ► Sounds like Paw Patrol and so it does scratch a itch that money cannot feel that that's a problem money

00:39:32 ◼   ► Can't fix, but you're not asking unreasonable questions

00:39:35 ◼   ► I think in the world where I'm Marco and my job is to set money aflame

00:39:40 ◼   ► What I would probably do is I would get an iMac Pro

00:39:43 ◼   ► I would probably get 16 until the 14 exists

00:39:47 ◼   ► And then I would probably upgrade the Synology and get a new Synology as well and just solve all of my computing problems at once

00:39:52 ◼   ► but that is

00:39:54 ◼   ► Literally ten plus thousand dollars worth of computing devices, which is just obscene to be fair

00:40:00 ◼   ► I'm not suggesting you do that, but also like and and yeah, and I'm not saying that I don't see any value in Plex

00:40:04 ◼   ► I've run a Plex server too. I just run a super simple one and I have an ancient Mac Mini that runs it just fine

00:40:09 ◼   ► But like, you know all the things that you're doing with Plex like these do have costs

00:40:15 ◼   ► You know as you're paying for the hardware to run it you're paying for all the hard drives

00:40:18 ◼   ► you're paying for the power and if you back anything up you're paying for more copies of it and more power and all this, you know, and

00:40:23 ◼   ► And you're paying in complexity. You're you know, you you have to run this Plex server somewhere in your network

00:40:29 ◼   ► I'm sure it occasionally needs something from you an update or something, you know something about it doesn't work, right?

00:40:35 ◼   ► I know I've tried to place off of your Plex server and hasn't always worked

00:40:38 ◼   ► So I know as always you always choose to do that at the times when my iMac is dying

00:40:43 ◼   ► But yes, it's all the time is still fair. Well, that's also true. No your point is still fair, right?

00:40:48 ◼   ► and so so there all this stuff has a cost and so like part of my

00:40:52 ◼   ► you know transition into

00:40:55 ◼   ► various stages of adulthood has often been like

00:40:58 ◼   ► You know, can I just apply a little bit of money to make this problem go away because this is something like, you know

00:41:03 ◼   ► I come from a very modest background despite all the jokes about setting money on fire

00:41:06 ◼   ► This has been a very alien thing to to me with the you know with the environment I grew up in

00:41:11 ◼   ► And it's only been fairly recently that I've become okay with setting money on fire to make my life better

00:41:16 ◼   ► I you know, I've been for years I would I would

00:41:19 ◼   ► conserve money or or do things myself in ways that

00:41:25 ◼   ► Really were not worth it at all and that I shouldn't have been doing and that were actually hurting me more

00:41:29 ◼   ► That I hadn't realized I was so obsessed with like not wanting to spend the money on something

00:41:33 ◼   ► It wasn't strictly necessary

00:41:34 ◼   ► This is one of those areas where like, you know

00:41:36 ◼   ► If you look at people have done similar things with their music collections a lot a lot of people maintained huge

00:41:41 ◼   ► you know iTunes libraries and

00:41:43 ◼   ► then therefore had to get a big hard drives and have to pay for lots of storage in their computers and their phones and

00:41:48 ◼   ► Everything over time and then as streaming services became so compelling and so capable and so inexpensive

00:41:53 ◼   ► A lot of people are no longer keeping music collections because they feel like it's no longer worth it

00:41:58 ◼   ► They have all the music in the world in these streaming services

00:42:00 ◼   ► The world doesn't seem to be moving away from streaming services anytime soon

00:42:03 ◼   ► Like it just it seems like it's a pretty safe bet for most people. They don't need to keep music collection anymore

00:42:09 ◼   ► They can just do streaming services and be fine

00:42:11 ◼   ► And so they get to save all that disk space all the hassle of like getting files that were the wrong

00:42:17 ◼   ► You know name or whatever and yeah, a lot of them are pirated a lot of them weren't but like

00:42:21 ◼   ► Streaming kind of made it all irrelevant and I feel like we're in a similar age now for lots of movie and TV content

00:42:26 ◼   ► We're like so many of us have kept local libraries and there is value to that

00:42:32 ◼   ► but it's also such a pain in the butt and it's so costly to keep those local libraries that

00:42:37 ◼   ► For only for most people that I don't think it's worth it anymore

00:42:41 ◼   ► I think it's only worth it for the biggest enthusiasts and you are one of those I think in this way

00:42:48 ◼   ► You know you are I think one of the biggest if not the biggest Plex enthusiasts have ever met

00:42:53 ◼   ► but if most of what you're doing with it most of the time is

00:42:58 ◼   ► Watching stuff that is available on streaming services

00:43:02 ◼   ► it certainly does raise the question of like do you really need to be keeping the stuff anymore and

00:43:06 ◼   ► Then secondly if you if you decide you need to be keeping it

00:43:10 ◼   ► Do you need to be keeping it at the same level of flexibility that requires all this advanced hardware?

00:43:15 ◼   ► So for instance, do you need transcoding or?

00:43:18 ◼   ► Can you keep the Plex stuff for your house in which case you don't even use transcoding?

00:43:24 ◼   ► Or at least you shouldn't be using transcoding within your own house

00:43:26 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, or and and then when you happen to be traveling make other plans

00:43:30 ◼   ► You know if you happen to be traveling the like

00:43:33 ◼   ► Four times a year that you're traveling and you want to watch Paw Patrol watch something else

00:43:37 ◼   ► Or buy or buy something, you know, but by like an iTunes movie rental in the hotel or whatever, you know

00:43:43 ◼   ► Have you treat the kids to a fun new movie rental for four dollars and not have to maintain a you know?

00:43:49 ◼   ► A beefy Plex server for transcoding like it

00:43:52 ◼   ► How often are you using the super advanced functionality for things that you can't stream and in those cases?

00:43:58 ◼   ► Could you just buy something else or watch something else?

00:44:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I take your point

00:44:03 ◼   ► but I think what it comes down to is I am I'm just a pack rat when it comes to this stuff and and that's

00:44:08 ◼   ► something I'm okay with and and

00:44:11 ◼   ► This particular moment aside like if if my iMac which is my Plex server wasn't falling apart

00:44:17 ◼   ► I would have zero complaints about Plex like everything would be peachy keen

00:44:21 ◼   ► Like I don't really have to do very much maintenance to keep it running

00:44:24 ◼   ► I don't really have to do much to keep it happy if anything at all and the the enjoyment like I get

00:44:30 ◼   ► Immense amounts of enjoyment not only from the hoarding aspects of getting stuff into it

00:44:34 ◼   ► But also the the way in which it has fit into not only my life

00:44:39 ◼   ► But my entire entire family's life and it's so easy for any of us to get to get what we want quickly and easily and it's

00:44:46 ◼   ► A curated it's my own personal Netflix right in the sense that it is a curated list of things that I can stream

00:44:52 ◼   ► Anywhere I want in the world at if the network connection and transcoder supports it at really, you know, really incredible

00:45:00 ◼   ► resolution and and whatnot, so

00:45:03 ◼   ► If it wasn't for the fact that I am taking the server away from my whole Plex world

00:45:09 ◼   ► I would have zero complaints about it and I don't see it a problem to be fixed

00:45:13 ◼   ► it's in this scenario where I ditch a desktop that this all falls apart and

00:45:18 ◼   ► God help me. You guys are starting to convince me to get that iMac Pro again

00:45:22 ◼   ► Which I really wasn't planning on but what's great about the iMac Pro option is that it it sets this problem on fire

00:45:29 ◼   ► It just it just blows away the problem. Yeah, like you have this big problem that is costing you

00:45:35 ◼   ► I mean look at the time

00:45:36 ◼   ► This is costing you how much how much time have you wasted fuck, you know messing with the iMac Pro

00:45:42 ◼   ► And you know you've been or sorry the iMac

00:45:47 ◼   ► You've messed with the iMac for so much time trying to get things to work

00:45:50 ◼   ► The time you that you've been spraying canned air into your MacBook like this time matters this time adds up

00:45:56 ◼   ► This is time that you could be doing anything else or nothing

00:46:00 ◼   ► You could take a nap you could hang out and watch TV off your Plex server

00:46:04 ◼   ► Like you could be doing anything else you can hang out with your family

00:46:07 ◼   ► You could go drive in circles and do donuts in your car. I don't know whatever you like

00:46:11 ◼   ► Whatever you want to do, right you can do you can be doing anything else instead

00:46:14 ◼   ► You're reinstalling Mac OS on a broken computer again. Like it's just this this stuff matters. This is like

00:46:21 ◼   ► You know some of the calculus that that I try to do when I'm thinking about, you know

00:46:26 ◼   ► Is it worth spending money in a problem? Like I often think like what would CGP Grey do?

00:46:32 ◼   ► Like he's really good at like at figuring this out analytically and be like

00:46:37 ◼   ► Can I just throw money this to make the problem go away because it's worth it to me like that's and I often think like

00:46:41 ◼   ► Okay, what would Grey do to fix this problem?

00:46:43 ◼   ► Whenever I have gone with the option, I think he would go with because usually blowing money away

00:46:48 ◼   ► I have always been actually pretty happy like okay. This problem is now gone. I can get back to my work

00:46:54 ◼   ► What he would do if his iMac flaked out as much as yours did is

00:46:59 ◼   ► He would take off his desk put it God knows where and have a new one there delivered that day and get on with his

00:47:04 ◼   ► Work because his work is important, right?

00:47:06 ◼   ► Your work is important. Your time is valuable

00:47:09 ◼   ► Why not do the same thing?

00:47:11 ◼   ► Because I don't want to spend that much money. I don't want to spend $8,000 on computers, but why I

00:47:16 ◼   ► would generally advise against using Marco receipt to be gray as your thought model for

00:47:21 ◼   ► Make purchases, but you know like it all that said like what Marco was saying

00:47:26 ◼   ► I think putting Casey aside for a second because he's a weirdo like all of us

00:47:29 ◼   ► You listeners out there. I think thinking this doesn't actually apply to you Marco's advice is good

00:47:36 ◼   ► I think for the listeners in general for the for the statistical average listener that is out there

00:47:40 ◼   ► Very often if you're listening to a tech podcast you probably have lots of technology in your life

00:47:44 ◼   ► And there are points when technology in your life sort of ages out where it is no longer

00:47:49 ◼   ► The correct choice to keep doing whatever it is Marco had a great example of keeping

00:47:53 ◼   ► MP3 collections or whatever I was saying keeping CD collections is a thing keeping record collections and at various points

00:47:58 ◼   ► It's time to reconsider those you have to decide am I the type of person who's going to have a record collection for my entire

00:48:04 ◼   ► Life, maybe you are go for it awesome cool

00:48:06 ◼   ► Hobby right but for most people the answer to that question was no

00:48:09 ◼   ► You have to let the records go and go on to the next thing and eventually your CD collection

00:48:13 ◼   ► It's like okay. I've been hauling the CD collection around in these giant case logic boxes from dorm room to dorm room

00:48:17 ◼   ► Is this is this still tenable?

00:48:22 ◼   ► Or is there a better solution and so you end up with an mp3 collection and again

00:48:26 ◼   ► And it goes to the streaming music right I?

00:48:28 ◼   ► think

00:48:30 ◼   ► Having a bunch of movies on a server or having a bunch of video CDs if anyone's remember old enough to remember that like there's all

00:48:36 ◼   ► sorts of things that we do that are good ideas at the time that we need to reevaluate and that I think is the

00:48:40 ◼   ► Good advice for the listener to look at your life and think is there something like that in your life where you're spending a lot

00:48:46 ◼   ► of time and energy and money

00:48:48 ◼   ► maintaining a thing where right now you could do it for much less hassle and

00:48:52 ◼   ► Actually much less time and also much less money

00:48:55 ◼   ► By just buying you know renting a movie from iTunes every you want every time you want to do it or buying it from Amazon

00:49:00 ◼   ► Whatever thing you want to do like it it wins in all regards better availability better quality better convenience

00:49:06 ◼   ► And less cost and less time and it's not if you're a tech nerd

00:49:11 ◼   ► It's easy not to see those types of solutions because you're just into the tech

00:49:15 ◼   ► In Casey's case and in many people's case in the sort of the non average case the outlier case

00:49:19 ◼   ► It's your hobby, and you want to deal with the tech like more power to you

00:49:23 ◼   ► I feel like this Casey's hobby

00:49:24 ◼   ► He's also the person I know is most into Plex

00:49:27 ◼   ► And I have a Plex server

00:49:28 ◼   ► And I'm kind of into it too, and I would be hesitant to give it up as I got weird stuff in there

00:49:32 ◼   ► You know weird anime things and like trailers for stuff and things that were never released anywhere that you can only see in some

00:49:39 ◼   ► Place, but someone did a pirated a copy of and like there's all sorts of you know cool stuff that

00:49:45 ◼   ► I have in there and have stuff organized the way I wanted I control cost and hassle mostly by

00:49:49 ◼   ► Keeping the collection small and if I've watched a movie

00:49:52 ◼   ► I'm honest with myself or whether I'm ever gonna watch again

00:49:54 ◼   ► I deleted if I'm not like so I don't have this ever expanding collection it it stays more or less the same size with sort

00:49:59 ◼   ► Of this rotating buffer of things that I think I want on it um and in Casey's case

00:50:03 ◼   ► I don't you know an iMac will do it it might surprise you to hear that if I was into your situation

00:50:11 ◼   ► I didn't have an iMac to run the thing on I would buy a NUC I would deal

00:50:13 ◼   ► I would just like it can't be that hard to set up

00:50:15 ◼   ► But I would just get something that's non Apple hardware because the Mac mini is so expensive such an expensive windows get the cheapest non

00:50:23 ◼   ► Apple hardware they will do the transcoding that you need with some headroom and just shove it in a closet and be done with it

00:50:28 ◼   ► But you know how to do that because you can get an iMac Pro

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00:52:29 ◼   ► Marco tell me about your office furniture or not office

00:52:36 ◼   ► Furniture it is it is office furniture. Okay, so

00:52:38 ◼   ► On the upgrade podcast this week they started out with using their term follow out

00:52:43 ◼   ► Which is when they had when they basically do follow up on someone else's podcast

00:52:46 ◼   ► And they were talking about they were mad at John for being able to talk all of last week's after show about his office furniture

00:52:52 ◼   ► basically

00:52:53 ◼   ► And various things like that and that they never thought to talk about furniture and they talked a little bit about theirs and it made

00:52:59 ◼   ► Me realize I have had a dilemma

00:53:01 ◼   ► But I want I want to now do some some re follow out or some follow out out or some whatever it would be to loop

00:53:07 ◼   ► back around here I

00:53:08 ◼   ► Want to talk about my office furniture because I have an office furniture problem Marco

00:53:12 ◼   ► Just buy a new house that'll get rid of this problem in one shot. You'll be done

00:53:15 ◼   ► Worry about it anymore. I just have to evaluate do I really need an office

00:53:19 ◼   ► So I hate you guys I hate winter one of the reasons

00:53:26 ◼   ► I hate winter is that it's just so dark and depressing all the time meanwhile my home

00:53:29 ◼   ► I have a home office. It's wonderful

00:53:31 ◼   ► There's no the only lighting in the room are these two lights in the ceiling that each can take three bulbs

00:53:38 ◼   ► But they're enclosed fixtures

00:53:40 ◼   ► And so if you put any LED bulbs in there they overheat and die within a few months

00:53:46 ◼   ► So and I use them I use LEDs in there

00:53:48 ◼   ► anyway, just to get more light out of them than like the 60 watts they're rated for but

00:53:52 ◼   ► Still like it those things burn through lights like crazy. They're mostly burnt out most of the time. I

00:53:58 ◼   ► Just want more light to help me feel better in the winter to help my office get brighter and make me feel less depressed

00:54:05 ◼   ► When the Sun sets at four o'clock, right which it's currently doing

00:54:08 ◼   ► so

00:54:11 ◼   ► Normally, I augment the dim lighting on the ceiling

00:54:14 ◼   ► Oh, I should also clarify also the walls are dark red and behind my computer is dark gray sound foam

00:54:20 ◼   ► So I'm not doing any favors here with like light reflection off the walls

00:54:24 ◼   ► It's it's still it's a pretty dark room by default. So I've had in the corner right next to my desk forever

00:54:30 ◼   ► One of those IKEA not lamps like this is like the IKEA been selling the same lamp for like a decade or more

00:54:37 ◼   ► It's it's the basic like pole lamp

00:54:39 ◼   ► It's a base a pole that's like five or six feet tall and a little like

00:54:43 ◼   ► Bowl on top the middle of which has a light bulb in it. You've seen these lamps

00:54:47 ◼   ► IKEA sells them in for about ten dollars and

00:54:50 ◼   ► They're everywhere and you know, this is a common form factor like other people other people make no pole lamps as well

00:54:56 ◼   ► my solution has been over time and

00:54:59 ◼   ► fortunately with the advent of LED light bulbs to slowly add

00:55:03 ◼   ► Brighter and brighter bulbs to this pole lamp next to my desk to try to make my office brighter

00:55:09 ◼   ► so I'm happier here and I've reached a limit of that because it's like even you know, you can put like

00:55:15 ◼   ► You know like one of those like, you know 150 watt equivalent LED bulbs in there

00:55:19 ◼   ► but at some point

00:55:21 ◼   ► They get so big that they stick up past the globe and you don't want to be able to look straight at them because that's too

00:55:27 ◼   ► Harsh to look at so you have to keep the size low

00:55:30 ◼   ► Now a while ago. I discovered these multi bulbs splitters

00:55:36 ◼   ► you can basically get this little like plastic things that screw into the light socket and

00:55:40 ◼   ► Split into like three different or four different bulbs and they can turn them on their side

00:55:46 ◼   ► So you can kind of rotate the bulbs 90 degrees and have like a little like radial arrangement of bulbs

00:55:51 ◼   ► Or like a circular arrangement within that globe

00:55:54 ◼   ► So my at first I thought let me get as many lights as possible into this one IKEA not lamp

00:55:59 ◼   ► It's try to like, you know, one bulb isn't doing it for me anymore. I want three bulbs or four bulbs

00:56:05 ◼   ► So I finally I figured that out

00:56:07 ◼   ► And I've reached the wattage limit of that. It's not enough light

00:56:12 ◼   ► So I recently bought myself a second not lamp and put it on the other side of my desk now

00:56:17 ◼   ► I have two floor lamps

00:56:19 ◼   ► Problem is they've made the globe on top of the lamp. They've made it smaller. It doesn't it isn't as tall anymore

00:56:24 ◼   ► So now my bulbs are sticking out more easily. So now I currently have

00:56:28 ◼   ► Let me see. I got four in that one. I got so I currently have seven light bulbs that are about I don't know

00:56:35 ◼   ► 75 to 100 watt equivalents each and this is a good amount of light

00:56:40 ◼   ► But the ones that are in the left one again with one of those like multi bulb splitters are sticking out the top and they're also

00:56:45 ◼   ► Non dimmable. Oh, I should also mention my preferred temperature is 4000 K, which no one makes bulbs that are 4000 K

00:56:52 ◼   ► except for like two companies, so

00:56:54 ◼   ► so

00:56:56 ◼   ► what I'm looking for and that I have been not able to find is

00:57:00 ◼   ► Some kind of like pole lamp that I can put on one or both sides of my desk that

00:57:08 ◼   ► natively is designed to have like three or four bulbs in it that then I can put you know huge bulbs into each one of

00:57:15 ◼   ► Those sockets and just totally blast myself out with just a complete ton of light. That's what I want here

00:57:20 ◼   ► just a ton of light into my eyes all winter long to try to make me forget that it's winter I

00:57:26 ◼   ► Could get the office renovated and just put more lights in the ceiling. That's the option I should do but that's incredibly

00:57:35 ◼   ► Expensive and disruptive and destructive and I don't want to lose the use of my office for any amount of time to do that

00:57:42 ◼   ► You know a couple of pole lamps cost what 20 bucks like it's not you know, not the end of the world there

00:57:47 ◼   ► So, oh no, hold on if I have to buy a $5,000 computer you have to renovate your fucking office

00:57:53 ◼   ► renovation to put new lights in like it's that's not you already have to you have to open up the ceiling but it's not you could

00:58:01 ◼   ► You already have two fixtures up there, right?

00:58:03 ◼   ► Yes, so that means you have two power sources you can get very large very wide huge illuminated fixtures from those two existing holes

00:58:10 ◼   ► In your ceiling, I didn't think about it. Yeah, just have them like span out for me

00:58:13 ◼   ► That's that's what I did in this room

00:58:15 ◼   ► The room I'm sitting in has only one

00:58:17 ◼   ► Light in the room dead center of this place is like a little wire coming out of the ceiling

00:58:21 ◼   ► There was a light there and for years I had like these

00:58:23 ◼   ► Circular lights that are I don't know it's kind of like you've seen them a little round circular things

00:58:27 ◼   ► I just sort of stick up on your ceiling right? Yeah, every light fixture is

00:58:31 ◼   ► Just like a dome like a dome light, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, right

00:58:35 ◼   ► And and there's a million of them in Home Depot

00:58:37 ◼   ► I always used to have to shop for the one that were the lowest profile because my ceilings are very low in this thing

00:58:41 ◼   ► And and that's what I would get and like you you'd be limited in how well how much like can you get out of a dome?

00:58:47 ◼   ► Thing you don't want it to be harsh

00:58:48 ◼   ► So it has to be like frosted and you want it to go in all directions

00:58:51 ◼   ► But it's just a dome light and you're limited by the amount of light out, but you can get from that eventually after

00:58:58 ◼   ► You know seeing those things die and replacing the the lamps in them and they were facing the entire fixture when it dies

00:59:05 ◼   ► And I went through that several times

00:59:06 ◼   ► I said right so there's one tiny little hole in my ceiling

00:59:09 ◼   ► But you can put a way bigger light than that one tiny hole

00:59:12 ◼   ► and so what I got was this was years ago, but what I got was a

00:59:15 ◼   ► Fairly huge like five foot long

00:59:18 ◼   ► Fluorescent light fixture that instead of having light from one little dome thing now

00:59:22 ◼   ► I have five foot by one foot strip of light with multiple fluorescent bulbs in it that puts out way more

00:59:29 ◼   ► Light than any dome light that I've ever had now you probably don't want fluorescence

00:59:33 ◼   ► Sure, don't you probably you have more than one place?

00:59:35 ◼   ► But the thing is I didn't need to make any new holes in the ceiling. There was no renovation

00:59:38 ◼   ► Hmm, that's just you I just used the existing hole that was in my ceiling and screwed this thing up into the you know

00:59:44 ◼   ► The studs in the ceiling and it was fine. I didn't think about that option not saying you do this yourself

00:59:48 ◼   ► But but you could look at how far apart your light things are and see if you can get one of those things

00:59:53 ◼   ► It's like a giant like carpet of lights inside a frosted type thing

00:59:57 ◼   ► Yeah, so it's just like a giant glowing thing

01:00:00 ◼   ► What you want is like the equivalent of you know

01:00:03 ◼   ► When you get bigger fans inside your PC case instead of it you're what you have now is a tiny fan

01:00:06 ◼   ► You're trying to spin it faster and faster rpm. You need a big fan big lazy slow-moving fan of light

01:00:12 ◼   ► That's what you need. So I don't know what kind of fixture that is

01:00:14 ◼   ► It's probably some fancy designer fixture or whatever, but you don't care

01:00:17 ◼   ► So if you can find something it's like a giant lily pad of light that puts out like

01:00:21 ◼   ► 700 watts and get two of them you will have and they're dimmable and adjustable color temperature because these RGB LEDs like that's it

01:00:28 ◼   ► You're all set. Well, that's and that's the other thing too. Like I've learned it. I'm actually like a

01:00:33 ◼   ► Lightnerd what I really would prefer to avoid is anything that has its own custom like LED thing inside

01:00:42 ◼   ► I want something that has a regular light bulb socket so I can pick my own bulbs

01:00:46 ◼   ► And ideally lots of them

01:00:48 ◼   ► Because but if it has the LED one this color adjustable like and those things last forever

01:00:53 ◼   ► Well, but yeah first of all, they're not always colors. Well, they also a lot of times they have weird like CRI

01:00:58 ◼   ► You know color rendering index

01:01:00 ◼   ► Many of them are not dimmable and like I just I want to be able to adapt to as

01:01:04 ◼   ► LEDs and various lighting technology gets better over time

01:01:07 ◼   ► I want to be able to just like buy new bulbs every few years and stick them in because they're better like and when you

01:01:12 ◼   ► Have something that has like a fixed built-in thing permanently

01:01:15 ◼   ► You can never do that. You're stuck with it forever. So I might still be able to find a thing like that

01:01:19 ◼   ► That's basically like a giant sheet with the frosted cover on it

01:01:22 ◼   ► Maybe even vents on the side for LEDs and then inside it has a bunch of LED bulbs

01:01:26 ◼   ► Like the world of lighting is very diverse

01:01:28 ◼   ► So I feel like if you go to like a lighting specialist and say and show them your room and say I don't want to

01:01:33 ◼   ► Tear anything up. I got two places where electricity comes out of my ceiling. I want megawatts of adjustable lights with adjustable bulbs

01:01:38 ◼   ► I'm sure they can find something that will fit and your ceilings aren't low so you don't have that problem either

01:01:42 ◼   ► I feel like you have options. Yeah, maybe I don't know. It's I have a hard time envisioning how I can get

01:01:48 ◼   ► More light out of just the ceiling fixtures like even if I put new ones in there

01:01:54 ◼   ► You definitely you definitely can because that's I mean, I'm not saying it's a total solution because a lighting person will say, okay

01:02:00 ◼   ► You're gonna have your ceiling lights and also you're gonna have floor lamps

01:02:02 ◼   ► So what you're trying to do now is like you're asking too much of your floor lamps and floor lamps are annoying

01:02:06 ◼   ► Anyway, because they take up room and they're just a hassle like, you know, they they shine

01:02:11 ◼   ► They're not gonna bounce light off your red walls or your black behind things

01:02:14 ◼   ► So they're just bouncing it off the ceiling. Like I think you're asking too much of your floor lamps

01:02:18 ◼   ► I think you get better ceiling lights that maybe don't do the whole job and then

01:02:21 ◼   ► Reasonable floor lamps that you're not obsessed with turbo charging and you'll be I

01:02:26 ◼   ► Guess well my other option if anybody knows of a floor lamp that has just a truly tremendous

01:02:32 ◼   ► Dome up top that can fit multiple bulbs with one of these adapters

01:02:36 ◼   ► Let me know but I have been unable to find one. Let me show you my my floor lamp

01:02:40 ◼   ► I had a floor lamp some other room - these are the lamps that I've hooked up to my

01:02:44 ◼   ► Voice thing because it was pain in the butt to keep turning on and off floor lamps because they're in one's on one side of

01:02:48 ◼   ► The room ones on the other these are not great, but they're better than all the alternatives

01:02:54 ◼   ► I had there there what you talked about like there's no replaceable bulb their LED their color adjustable their dimmable

01:02:59 ◼   ► They're amiable and they don't put up that much light

01:03:02 ◼   ► But I have two of them and I don't need them to be super bright

01:03:04 ◼   ► but these are so much better than the long series of

01:03:07 ◼   ► Floor lamps that I had before this that's pretty cool. They're also surprisingly short

01:03:13 ◼   ► I don't particularly recommend them if your needs they're not powerful enough to do what you want

01:03:16 ◼   ► But it was a nice solution that I was happy to find

01:03:20 ◼   ► Well, if I if I just line the whole wall with these if I get like eight of them

01:03:23 ◼   ► I mean they do put out a lot of heat

01:03:26 ◼   ► These are part of the things that are peeling the paint off of my house

01:03:28 ◼   ► You can see where all these lamps are they're shining up on like the trim around my ceiling

01:03:34 ◼   ► And you can see all the paint peeling off from where the lights are

01:03:36 ◼   ► It's just from the heat from the heat and maybe the UV from when it used to be like

01:03:39 ◼   ► halogen and incandescent and fluorescent

01:03:42 ◼   ► Now we're on to LED and I don't I just put these in these for curiosity

01:03:47 ◼   ► But just to see where where are these sort of cheap dorm room floor lamp has moved on from this I think is a superior

01:03:53 ◼   ► Version of that IKEA lamp albeit it like three times the price and without replaceable bulbs

01:03:59 ◼   ► Well, yeah, but these things are last forever like there

01:04:02 ◼   ► The LEDs in there are not it's not bulbs

01:04:04 ◼   ► But it's part of the fixture and it's you can see the sort of venting around that it gets hot and everything

01:04:08 ◼   ► But I'm I have a face that these will last a long time

01:04:10 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe I'll look into something

01:04:13 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean I just I have a hard time thinking that anything is gonna be better than getting new ceiling fixtures

01:04:19 ◼   ► But I I thought that would be only invasive

01:04:21 ◼   ► Yeah, but yeah

01:04:22 ◼   ► But you do need to do both like any lighting person is gonna tell you probably can't get away with just floor lamps or just ceiling

01:04:27 ◼   ► Fixtures or just desk lamps. It's always some combination of things, right?

01:04:31 ◼   ► So if you get a combination lets you balance it and not have to go nuts on any one fixture

01:04:37 ◼   ► By the way, so a few people in the chat are suggesting that I look into the Philips hue line of things

01:04:41 ◼   ► I have I actually we have a couple of those who was one of the steps I took

01:04:46 ◼   ► When I was multiplying the number of light bulbs in my pole lamp was I at one time had four

01:04:52 ◼   ► Philips hue ambience the white ambience bulbs in there because another one of my hair brain ideas that I had in this area was I thought

01:04:59 ◼   ► Wouldn't it be nice if I had like adjustable?

01:05:02 ◼   ► White temperature bulbs basically that would automatically adjust with the time of day

01:05:08 ◼   ► So in the morning and the evening they could be a little bit on the warmer side in the middle of day

01:05:13 ◼   ► They could be on the cooler and brighter side and they would automatically adjust with the Sun. What a great idea

01:05:18 ◼   ► Yeah, it turns out that doesn't work. Like no one makes that work correctly. I don't care. Please don't email me

01:05:24 ◼   ► like I whatever you try like

01:05:26 ◼   ► So the Philips hue way to do that was

01:05:28 ◼   ► Not great and I never got to work. Well also Philips hue has a massive issue

01:05:34 ◼   ► Which is they just don't make bright bulbs and I don't really know why it's like Philips hue has made

01:05:41 ◼   ► Only up to like 60 watt equivalent bulbs for the entire time. They've existed. They've been around for a number of years now

01:05:49 ◼   ► They don't make brighter bulbs than that. Why?

01:05:51 ◼   ► Surely by now you have the technology. I know it would have to be a little bit bigger

01:05:56 ◼   ► But like lots of other brands are making lots of other LED light bulbs that are way brighter than that

01:06:03 ◼   ► Surely Philips can make brighter than 60 watt equivalent bulbs because that's just not enough light for almost anything

01:06:09 ◼   ► So I didn't I that didn't last long

01:06:13 ◼   ► I then decided to try the lifx bulbs because lifx not only has brighter bulbs

01:06:18 ◼   ► But also has a built-in feature in their app to do exactly that thing with the sunlight timing of the of the color temperature of the light

01:06:26 ◼   ► And I have never had a set of less reliable

01:06:31 ◼   ► Home automation smart home things than lifx bulbs. They were so bad and so unreliable that a few weeks ago

01:06:39 ◼   ► I just threw them away

01:06:41 ◼   ► I deleted the app off my phone and just threw the bulbs in the trash can like I just was so frustrated with them

01:06:46 ◼   ► Never working

01:06:47 ◼   ► right staying on constantly or not responding and staying off or like

01:06:52 ◼   ► Three of the four bulbs in the fixture would turn on and one wouldn't randomly like just they were so unreliable

01:06:58 ◼   ► I have nothing but bad experiences with lifx and Philips hue is just disappointing

01:07:02 ◼   ► Like I we have them in a couple of lamps at the end on end tables in rooms that don't need much light

01:07:07 ◼   ► And that's the only thing I found that I use for them for I have very good luck with using

01:07:11 ◼   ► regular light bulbs that I can replace in

01:07:14 ◼   ► Smart switched outlets like I have I use Belkin we most switches

01:07:18 ◼   ► There's a bunch of other ones too. They work fine like switched outlets work very reliably for me

01:07:22 ◼   ► So I'm happy with that leave it at that leave the light bulbs dumb and leave the outlets smart

01:07:27 ◼   ► All that is to say I think I'm kind of stuck here except I guess I should just do what John says and

01:07:32 ◼   ► Change the ceiling fixtures, but possibly not in a way that destroys my ceiling

01:07:36 ◼   ► And you should be very used to

01:07:39 ◼   ► Dealing with people for design considerations for home stuff, and I'm not saying you're gonna use the same people

01:07:47 ◼   ► But talk to a lighting person like again. You're mr.. Throw money the thing to solve it

01:07:52 ◼   ► I guess it gets them under the dock. Yeah, like you know we've done home renovation stuff like I we have people

01:07:57 ◼   ► We can call for this

01:07:58 ◼   ► But like I don't it's just it's gonna be so destructive is like if you have to do anything if they do have to cut

01:08:03 ◼   ► Into the ceiling to install more fixtures which I think would be ultimately the best solution

01:08:07 ◼   ► Would you see that thing to install a bunch of can lights, but if they have to do that can lights now?

01:08:11 ◼   ► Why not there's a reason why people do that you can set parameters on you can say we don't want you to

01:08:17 ◼   ► Wreck the room we have two places where power comes out of the ceiling

01:08:21 ◼   ► What can you do with two fixtures assuming those two fixtures aren't right on top of each other in there?

01:08:24 ◼   ► Why these space in the room you have a lot of options you have a lot of options

01:08:27 ◼   ► What you can do there the room is a big rectangle and the fixtures are two fixtures that are like in the middle

01:08:32 ◼   ► You know offset like it's where you would put if you only had two fixtures in a big rectangle

01:08:36 ◼   ► It's where you put them yeah, so I feel like you have a lot of options just with those two things

01:08:41 ◼   ► They read all you would need to do is you know attach more things to your ceiling

01:08:45 ◼   ► But you wouldn't need to repaint anything you will need to cut into anything like there's the power is already there the switching is

01:08:50 ◼   ► Already there, and then it would just be like that and where do I put the accent lights?

01:08:54 ◼   ► And how do I arrange things and I feel like you can come up with a reasonable solution?

01:08:57 ◼   ► You know just set the parameters so yes

01:08:59 ◼   ► I know you could destroy this whole room and come up with this whole new lighting scheme

01:09:01 ◼   ► But let's say we're gonna leave everything where it is because I think two outlets in a room that size plus flow lamps is plenty

01:09:07 ◼   ► You know suddenly I'm feeling better about my $5,000 iMac Pro

01:09:12 ◼   ► $2,000 laptop that was my plan to destroy

01:09:15 ◼   ► I don't have to destroy my entire office to do to fix the problem

01:09:18 ◼   ► He doesn't have to destroy it either and we and he recommended a $20 $22 floor lamp

01:09:22 ◼   ► And I recommended a $60 floor lamp

01:09:24 ◼   ► So we're all we're still in the realm of still cheaper than your box that would connect your terrible laptop to its two terrible monitors

01:09:35 ◼   ► Anyway, John tell me about Microsoft offices open and save dialog and Catalina, please this was my most recent

01:09:41 ◼   ► Family tech support adventure and it reminded me

01:09:45 ◼   ► Well, I reminded me of how

01:09:49 ◼   ► How many problems people have with Catalina and how?

01:09:51 ◼   ► people who aren't

01:09:54 ◼   ► You know into this type of stuff are gonna be kind of out to sea so this was my parents telling me that they had

01:10:00 ◼   ► They'd gotten it. All right, so they start from step zero. They'd upgraded to Catalina. They don't know Catalina is I had to surmise

01:10:08 ◼   ► It they'd upgraded to it, but it happened like without me without my participation intervention just goes to show that Apple

01:10:13 ◼   ► Pushing updates on regular people is having a real effect somehow somewhat like if you would ask them

01:10:18 ◼   ► If they wanted to upgrade the OS, there's no way they would say yes, but somehow it happened to them

01:10:23 ◼   ► Like like wife being dumb is it just it's just happened to them, you know, so I'm surprised

01:10:28 ◼   ► You know, who knows how long they've been running it, but I start talking them and it becomes totally clear that they have running Catalina

01:10:34 ◼   ► Whether they know it or not, right and of course once they're in Catalina

01:10:38 ◼   ► It told them that a bunch of their old software is no good. So they got a new version of Microsoft Office

01:10:42 ◼   ► So good for them. They bought software even though software like batteries to people that generation should be free

01:10:47 ◼   ► You know who buys software I can't even get the I

01:10:51 ◼   ► Struggled to try to get them to buy like more iCloud storage so I could stop seeing the messages for their 5 gig

01:10:56 ◼   ► But you know anyway somehow some way they bought office because I guess they consider that real software because they were in like the workforce long

01:11:02 ◼   ► Enough for like Microsoft Office. Well, that's real software. I'll pay for that. Anyway, they paid

01:11:07 ◼   ► for a new version of office so Catalina and the new version of office and

01:11:11 ◼   ► they don't have to use any of this stuff because

01:11:14 ◼   ► Office is different Catalina is weird and so on and so forth and my

01:11:16 ◼   ► father was in a panic because

01:11:19 ◼   ► He tried to get some Excel document and he tried to email it to somebody but he accidentally emailed the wrong thing and he couldn't

01:11:26 ◼   ► Find the Excel document that he just worked on. He's like, I know it's there somewhere, but I don't see it anywhere

01:11:30 ◼   ► I'm a hard drive. Where is it? He said something about it's like in a cloud or no

01:11:34 ◼   ► It's in it's in a drive or something. So I got a you know parachute in for tech support

01:11:39 ◼   ► And figure out what's going on

01:11:41 ◼   ► I mean my best guess was I know the new version of office pushes one drive pretty heavily and from the words

01:11:47 ◼   ► They were saying I think they were reaching for like one drive and that could explain why they don't see it on the computer because it

01:11:51 ◼   ► Saved them one drive or whatever. So and

01:11:54 ◼   ► Pro-tip for people who haven't done tech support for anyone in their family recently or

01:11:59 ◼   ► And or are doing it the old-fashioned way. You got to take control of their screen like don't don't

01:12:04 ◼   ► Texting them on the phone like email you just shoot yourself in the head. Just you have to take control of this screen

01:12:11 ◼   ► It's pretty easy with messages if you have an Apple computer and they have an Apple computer

01:12:15 ◼   ► You can say ask to share their screen have them say yes. It's such a relief. Oh my god. Anyway, I

01:12:20 ◼   ► Share the screen to see what the deal is

01:12:23 ◼   ► And you know at that point, you know, and you can hear them talking

01:12:25 ◼   ► So it's like you have real-time audio communication

01:12:28 ◼   ► You're both looking at the same screen and you are controlling the cursor that that's the way to get it done

01:12:31 ◼   ► So we go and he's like, here's my thing

01:12:34 ◼   ► But I don't know where it is and blah blah blah and it turns out, you know

01:12:37 ◼   ► When you go to the open save dialog box in office in Catalina

01:12:40 ◼   ► It was showing like one drive like the left sidebar was like this is your one drive

01:12:46 ◼   ► it didn't even let less like Dropbox or was like here's your one drive and your various folders in one drive and

01:12:50 ◼   ► So on and so forth

01:12:53 ◼   ► and we could find the spreadsheet that they were talking about in one drive and

01:12:57 ◼   ► Open it and like this is a spreadsheet talking about right? I'm like, okay great

01:13:00 ◼   ► Well, I'm just gonna save this on your computer

01:13:02 ◼   ► So I go to save and you get the same dialogue and the same dialogue box also shows

01:13:05 ◼   ► One drive and so I'm looking for the thing to say I don't want to see one drive on to see my computer

01:13:11 ◼   ► In open save dialogue boxes over the over the decades

01:13:14 ◼   ► There are many ways that applications can extend the open save dialogue box on a Mac OS some official some unofficial

01:13:22 ◼   ► Most of the ones you'll see these days like the bottom portion of the open save dialogue

01:13:27 ◼   ► You can put some UI there

01:13:28 ◼   ► So in this case, there was a kind of ungainly UI that office is putting there

01:13:31 ◼   ► There was a button on the left that said

01:13:33 ◼   ► On my Mac or something or go to my Mac or save on my Mac or something

01:13:38 ◼   ► It was a weird button like it wasn't worded very well

01:13:40 ◼   ► But it was clear that this button if you click this button

01:13:43 ◼   ► It would stop showing one drive and start showing your hard drive, right?

01:13:48 ◼   ► And I have that same version of office which I preemptively bought because I'm gonna eventually someday upgrade Catalina too

01:13:53 ◼   ► So I needed a version that was all up to date. I

01:13:56 ◼   ► Didn't recall seeing that button. I don't think it was the default but somehow maybe they click that button and got confused

01:14:02 ◼   ► So I see that button it says on my Mac or whatever and I click it

01:14:05 ◼   ► and

01:14:07 ◼   ► The open save dialogue box goes away

01:14:10 ◼   ► Just slides back up. It's like goodbye

01:14:14 ◼   ► Okay, and so I you know, the document is still open but it's open in one drive or whatever and I could just like install one

01:14:21 ◼   ► Drive or mounted and take the thing off and now I want to figure what the hell's going on here

01:14:24 ◼   ► Like the button says like on my Mac or whatever and it's weird for a button to be a toggle

01:14:29 ◼   ► You know what? I mean? Like imagine clicking a button in a dialogue and the dialogue box changes

01:14:33 ◼   ► It's like a radio button kind of thing. It's like the wrong control for this

01:14:35 ◼   ► But anyway, it's a button and I know you're limited in how you can enhance the open save dialogue boxes

01:14:39 ◼   ► But I'm pretty sure this is the right button. I do it like five more times same thing happens

01:14:42 ◼   ► You click the button dialogue goes you and it's gone. Nothing has happened. Nothing has been saved nothing

01:14:46 ◼   ► So then I google to make sure that that's what this button is supposed to do and sure enough

01:14:52 ◼   ► Yep

01:14:52 ◼   ► if you click that button

01:14:53 ◼   ► it's supposed to

01:14:54 ◼   ► switch the open and save dialogue box to say to show your hard drive and

01:14:57 ◼   ► I'll be like normal and at the bottom the button says like in the cloud or something like that and you can switch to the

01:15:02 ◼   ► other version and

01:15:04 ◼   ► As soon as I found out that's how the things supposed to work

01:15:07 ◼   ► You know, I put two and two together because this one of the permissions dialogue. Yeah. No, of course

01:15:11 ◼   ► It's it's a it's a permission thing because the application not to ask permission to do stuff and maybe they had the open save dialogue

01:15:17 ◼   ► Was defaulting to a directory like desktop or documents folder

01:15:20 ◼   ► They didn't have permissions for and in theory Catalina should have thrown up a dialog box

01:15:24 ◼   ► It says do you want Microsoft Excel to have access to your desktop?

01:15:26 ◼   ► And I would say yes, but it never did throw up that dialogue

01:15:29 ◼   ► Now if you don't know what Catalina is doing to the permission model

01:15:33 ◼   ► Which regularly use a shirt should should not need to know you would never guess this in a million years because nothing in your prior

01:15:39 ◼   ► History of decades of using the Mac. Have you ever had to give Excel permission to view the desktop and

01:15:46 ◼   ► The fact that office was just eating this error and just being like I'm out

01:15:51 ◼   ► No access and not throwing up a Catalina dialogue asking even permission

01:15:55 ◼   ► Like they would never have figured this out

01:15:58 ◼   ► They would have just been like and and they would have thought it was a Microsoft Office bug and for all I know it is

01:16:02 ◼   ► Maybe it is an office bug, but it's a combination of office in Catalina. So there is probably a way to get

01:16:09 ◼   ► Excel to have access to the desktop folder and document but me being me

01:16:13 ◼   ► I immediately added all the office applications to full disk access

01:16:17 ◼   ► In the permissions dialog box because I don't want to get any more of these calls and lo and behold if I put all those apps

01:16:23 ◼   ► Give them full disk access in the Catalina permissions dialogue

01:16:26 ◼   ► Yeah, it worked you click that button the dialogue switches and now you can see their hard drive

01:16:30 ◼   ► And I showed them how to switch back and forth and so on and so forth. So here's an example of Microsoft and or Apple

01:16:37 ◼   ► Really falling down on the new Catalina security model, which I mostly endorse but yet it has to work situations like that

01:16:43 ◼   ► No regular user is ever going to figure out unless lots of other people run into it and it's potentially Googleable

01:16:48 ◼   ► But I don't even know if they would know the right thing to Google for and my quote-unquote solution of getting full disk access

01:16:54 ◼   ► Isn't really the right solution, but it's the type of thing where it's like I don't I don't want to have to deal with this

01:16:59 ◼   ► Again, I just wanted to you know, sort of go back to the old way

01:17:02 ◼   ► I'm not gonna turn off, you know system integrity protection or go over that far but

01:17:07 ◼   ► Problems like that frustrating and not encouraging

01:17:10 ◼   ► so I guess I guess it is encouraging that they were able to successfully update Catalina themselves and

01:17:15 ◼   ► Didn't have any particular complaints about the OS but it turns out the main problem they were having with this application

01:17:21 ◼   ► Was partially because of Catalina. It's that's not great. And at least it's one problem that Casey isn't having so that's the only one

01:17:28 ◼   ► The only one John have you if either one of you in your Catalina installs?

01:17:33 ◼   ► Resorted to giving applications full disk access besides I suppose terminal which it's reasonable to give that I don't think crash plan

01:17:40 ◼   ► But yeah, that's reasonable to write that's expected

01:17:44 ◼   ► But like I think most applications expect you to say oh just give me access to your desktop

01:17:48 ◼   ► Oh, just give me access to your documents folder and that's all I'm ever gonna need it and you're fine

01:17:51 ◼   ► I'm sure I'll find us a lot when I actually do upgrade to Catalina

01:17:57 ◼   ► But for now I am avoiding it and I think that is still wise

01:18:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I still I mean I'm running on my laptop simply because it came with it

01:18:04 ◼   ► but I am NOT running on my desktop yet and I it's just I

01:18:08 ◼   ► Don't even think about most of the time because I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything cool by not having upgraded yet

01:18:14 ◼   ► Like there's no big features that I'm that I'm looking forward to there's nothing

01:18:18 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, I wish I wish I would just upgrade so I could then do X

01:18:21 ◼   ► But I don't want to because it's you know, because it would cost me, you know time and bugs. Nope

01:18:26 ◼   ► There is nothing like that. There's no motivating factors. There's just nothing yet

01:18:30 ◼   ► like I thought catalyst would be that but I'm still pretty far from being able to do anything with that and

01:18:35 ◼   ► And so no, it's just nothing. I have no motivation to upgrade on my desktop. I'm very

01:18:40 ◼   ► Totally happy just continuing to use Mojave, you know indefinitely

01:18:44 ◼   ► I want to use the new photos app and I think I would like the TV app

01:18:47 ◼   ► But the other hand, I don't want to say goodbye to iTunes and for the music app. So I'm I'm kind of torn

01:18:52 ◼   ► Most of the reason I haven't upgraded is because I'm terrified of the upgrade process of photos, which I've heard bad stories about, right?

01:18:58 ◼   ► No, but I do want it you I'm always looking for new features and photos or any any change photos whatsoever

01:19:04 ◼   ► Presumably it changed for the better. So that's my main draw, but I'm I'm currently able to resist pretty easily

01:19:09 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, and like I don't like I had like the music app. Honestly, I think that's I think it's a huge step back

01:19:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I use it on my laptop. I really don't like it. There's there's significant regressions from iTunes

01:19:21 ◼   ► I don't know what they were thinking with that. I don't know why they had to mess with it so much honestly, but

01:19:27 ◼   ► Whatever reasons they had I hope they

01:19:30 ◼   ► Bring it back soon

01:19:31 ◼   ► I heard there I read on the column browser and the newest beta or something if that's true

01:19:36 ◼   ► That's great because that's the way I browse my music and it has sucked on my laptop not having that for so long

01:19:40 ◼   ► But everything about it

01:19:42 ◼   ► It seemed like it's either like a wash or a loss in some way

01:19:47 ◼   ► Or or a risk in some way and this just doesn't sound appealing at all to me

01:19:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I got no good thoughts about Catalina. So I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut

01:19:57 ◼   ► Hey, you know what if you don't wait for an iMac Pro update

01:20:00 ◼   ► You can buy the current iMac Pro and you can install Mojave on no matter what it comes with

01:20:05 ◼   ► You can install Mojave on it's compatible. That's true

01:20:07 ◼   ► That's but if you wait for the next iMac update

01:20:09 ◼   ► You will be forced to have Catalina on it

01:20:11 ◼   ► And if you have a desktop and a laptop

01:20:13 ◼   ► You can have a machine that use most of the time that doesn't have Catalina on it

01:20:17 ◼   ► You you really are intent on me setting all of my money aflame. I just don't want to tear my office ceiling apart

01:20:24 ◼   ► It's it's like I haven't known you for 20 years or something. It's less money though. I remember it's less

01:20:28 ◼   ► It's less overall than everything you would have to buy on this long, you know

01:20:32 ◼   ► String of computer purchases you're gonna get it's right again like who cares whether you spend it now or six months from now

01:20:39 ◼   ► You're still it's who cares. It doesn't matter. It's true

01:20:41 ◼   ► It doesn't matter because we've talked about it too much Adam wants us to know about Amazon's customer support quote-unquote text tree

01:20:48 ◼   ► Tell me about this that wasn't the phone tree thing with text where you're like, you know, do you want to do this?

01:20:53 ◼   ► Do you want to do that and I was complaining that you have limited options and then eventually you just did ends

01:20:57 ◼   ► I actually have two pieces on this one on every product page and Amazon there on the detail page

01:21:02 ◼   ► There is a link somewhere that says do you have a problem with this listing and you can just click that and you immediately get

01:21:07 ◼   ► To the thing that you can say something's wrong with it. The image is wrong

01:21:09 ◼   ► You just type a text message that is a faster way to do this rather than going through the support

01:21:14 ◼   ► Chat thing that I did but to according to Adam if you're in that chat thing

01:21:19 ◼   ► Just type agent as the your text string when you get a chance to type something

01:21:23 ◼   ► Type agent once or twice and you will eventually get connected with a human in theory

01:21:28 ◼   ► So next time I'm gonna try that agent agent agent

01:21:31 ◼   ► Do you think that actually works because you're typing agent or do you think it's like this person is typing something?

01:21:37 ◼   ► We don't recognize three times in a row. We'll just kick into a human. I think agent probably

01:21:41 ◼   ► It's like when you when you yell obscenities into it the phone tree and like the thing like the basic AI recognizes angry customer noises

01:21:49 ◼   ► Yeah, or if you just hold down star or you know, hold down zero

01:21:53 ◼   ► There's all sorts of things that are reasonable signals that you want a human being

01:21:57 ◼   ► There's like those websites like get human calm which tells you how to get a human like the thing about get human and stuff is

01:22:03 ◼   ► Usually for phones. I don't know if they've upgraded for text, but this type of thing. I think you used to

01:22:08 ◼   ► Be fairly assured that if you were typing text chat back and forth you were probably talking to one

01:22:14 ◼   ► Poor overworked human who's chatting simultaneously with 97 people and who's mostly copying and pasting using macros to fill in the things

01:22:22 ◼   ► But still it's human triggering the macros right just to figure out which thing to be triggered but these days

01:22:26 ◼   ► With the with advancements in a very basic, you know

01:22:31 ◼   ► 70s text adventure level AI

01:22:34 ◼   ► And the continued need to drive costs down. You're not talking to a human

01:22:39 ◼   ► You're just talking to you know, a text version of a phone tree or some very simple AI and you really do want to go

01:22:45 ◼   ► star zero agent

01:22:48 ◼   ► Whatever to get to the actual human

01:22:51 ◼   ► What do we want to do from here? I feel like time for ask ATP. Yes spend a lot of time on your computer

01:22:57 ◼   ► I know I feel like it's too by Friday where I just wanted to start this whole thing over and I apologize

01:23:01 ◼   ► Profusely for this whole episode. Oh, you don't have that option and neither do they hey, you know what our listeners do they buy computers

01:23:08 ◼   ► This is relevant. This is relevant content

01:23:11 ◼   ► I guess I don't know this this became I should have been paying more attention to the clock

01:23:15 ◼   ► But because it's about me I was riveted

01:23:17 ◼   ► God I'm so sorry for everything. It's fine. Just buy all the computers. It's fine. Oh, yeah

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01:23:26 ◼   ► They want you to do it you want you to do it

01:23:29 ◼   ► The only people who don't want you to do this are John and half of you

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01:25:43 ◼   ► The amusingly named ask. Dr. Tuna writes my grandson who is 11 is obsessed with Apple

01:25:51 ◼   ► I gave him my old MacBook Pro

01:25:53 ◼   ► Should I encourage him to learn Apple script or is Apple script not long for this world? I

01:25:57 ◼   ► Don't have terribly positive thoughts about Apple script I find it because I'm a developer I suppose I find it to be

01:26:05 ◼   ► completely inscrutable and

01:26:08 ◼   ► Not like anything else and that's not a compliment

01:26:11 ◼   ► So I would not encourage Apple script personally, but that's just my two cents

01:26:16 ◼   ► Marco I'd be curious to hear your two cents and then we will let the resident old man round us out and

01:26:23 ◼   ► To help tell us what he thinks. I love the idea of letting power users automate things on their computers. I

01:26:30 ◼   ► Don't love Apple script as an implementation of that idea agreed agreed

01:26:35 ◼   ► It is it is a very difficult language to understand and to write it reads really easily

01:26:41 ◼   ► You can look at it. You know, wow, it's so magical then you try to write it and it's like what?

01:26:45 ◼   ► How how do I even know what to say and then you try things and it's wrong like it

01:26:49 ◼   ► I I don't think Apple script is is a great language at all

01:26:53 ◼   ► I think it's actually very hostile to try to learn and it's mostly done by copy and paste I think

01:26:59 ◼   ► And furthermore, I think it's already dead. Like not only is it does not have a bright future

01:27:03 ◼   ► I think it doesn't even have a bright present and it doesn't even the past has not been kind to it

01:27:08 ◼   ► Apple script I think is is totally totally dead now as

01:27:13 ◼   ► Again, I love the idea of automation

01:27:17 ◼   ► But but I think there I think it's not the right way anymore. I

01:27:20 ◼   ► Feel like there's some

01:27:23 ◼   ► attraction to Apple scripts because you might hear that scripting is a sort of an easier

01:27:30 ◼   ► friendlier version of programming and someone's into Apple so surely Apple script is the thing they want but

01:27:36 ◼   ► Kind of like JavaScript. I think you might be misled by the name

01:27:39 ◼   ► So no, you should not encourage your 11 year old grandson to learn Apple script

01:27:44 ◼   ► On the second half of this question. Do you think it's not long for this world?

01:27:47 ◼   ► I think it is probably gonna stick around for longer than we all think it should I mean it kind of already has

01:27:53 ◼   ► That doesn't change things. No, your son should not learn Apple script. No, your grandson should not you learn apps

01:27:57 ◼   ► What should he learn at 11? I don't know

01:28:01 ◼   ► I didn't do a very good job of getting either of my children interested in programming when they were that age

01:28:07 ◼   ► But eventually my son eventually came around on his own and is learning Swift in his high school class. I feel like

01:28:13 ◼   ► The kids have to show an interest on their own what if they're into

01:28:17 ◼   ► Programming there's lots of good apps on the App Store that are programming like you know

01:28:23 ◼   ► This I forget the names are like hop hop scotch and scratch and there's this Swift playgrounds thing

01:28:29 ◼   ► There's all sorts of stuff like it doesn't really matter

01:28:31 ◼   ► It's just that they have to show an interest in it if and when eventually he

01:28:35 ◼   ► Wants to get serious about programming for Apple platforms, then yeah, you can start learning Swift and Swift playgrounds and all that stuff

01:28:42 ◼   ► but uh, it's a long road and it really you know, there's I don't like encourage him to learn Apple script like it's it's like

01:28:50 ◼   ► encouraging somebody to be into the accordion like I suppose you can do it but

01:28:56 ◼   ► Like they really have to take an interest themselves now, we're gonna hear from all the accordion player. I don't know

01:29:02 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not a good. I was trying to think of something like that. You can't like

01:29:08 ◼   ► The person has to have an interest in themselves like programming is like that. You can't like

01:29:12 ◼   ► Lead someone to programming like you they just they have to take to it, right?

01:29:17 ◼   ► You can put it in front of them

01:29:18 ◼   ► You can say you can present it and say here's the thing you might be into but if they go now

01:29:21 ◼   ► Then they're not into it like same thing put a musical instrument in front of them

01:29:25 ◼   ► See if they're into it put a different musical instrument

01:29:27 ◼   ► Like it's part of being what a parent is present the kids with options

01:29:30 ◼   ► But you know, it's the trope that we hopefully are all familiar with from all the media

01:29:34 ◼   ► We've ever consumed in our time if you push your kid into literally anything

01:29:38 ◼   ► Even if they would otherwise like it they will

01:29:41 ◼   ► Probably like it less and probably also resent you so don't do that

01:29:45 ◼   ► Chris cast writes you guys specifically Marco Arman talk a lot about bouncing back and forth between laptops and desktops

01:29:52 ◼   ► What the hell Chris? Where am I on this?

01:29:54 ◼   ► Like the last like three episodes of it all and whatever anyway, thanks Chris writes

01:30:00 ◼   ► How do you how do you keep all of your configs preferences etc in sync or do you use specific machines for specific purposes?

01:30:07 ◼   ► Well, I guess I don't need to answer this one. Do I Chris so Marco?

01:30:10 ◼   ► I

01:30:15 ◼   ► mostly just do manual things like if I change your preference on one I'll change your preference on the other but

01:30:20 ◼   ► overall my my general theme to this is

01:30:24 ◼   ► outside of a few exceptions like I have like, you know, I have like my text mate preferences and I I just put those

01:30:29 ◼   ► In Dropbox and whenever I set up a new laptop

01:30:32 ◼   ► I just copy them into the text mates folder and that's it, you know

01:30:34 ◼   ► And I'll use Dropbox if for anything that can be synced easily through Dropbox automatically

01:30:39 ◼   ► But you know, that's that's about the extent of that. Ultimately what I try to do is

01:30:43 ◼   ► Try to run as stock of a setup as possible such that I can set up a totally clean install

01:30:50 ◼   ► With the way I like to do things

01:30:53 ◼   ► Within like a couple hours, you know, and so it's not a huge deal

01:30:57 ◼   ► like so I actually don't use a lot of like power user tools and workflow tools automation stuff like

01:31:03 ◼   ► the way a lot of people will use you know things like

01:31:06 ◼   ► Like hazel to automate a whole bunch of stuff moving around text expander

01:31:11 ◼   ► Keyboard maestro a lot of these tools that a lot of our friends use that are super powerful

01:31:15 ◼   ► I just not gotten into like I recently I

01:31:18 ◼   ► on

01:31:21 ◼   ► years of recommendations

01:31:22 ◼   ► I tried better touch tool on the new laptop to try to customize the touch bar and better touch tool is just a

01:31:29 ◼   ► Massive arsenal of power tools and I ran it for like one night and I'm like, this is too much

01:31:36 ◼   ► I don't want this and it's it looked amazing. And if you're the kind of person who likes that kind of stuff, that's amazing

01:31:43 ◼   ► But it was so not for me. I very quickly realized like oh, this is this is not what I'm looking for

01:31:49 ◼   ► And that was it. I like to keep things fairly minimally customized that way

01:31:55 ◼   ► You know a I can sit down in front of any computer and get things reasonably, you know reasonably done and be

01:32:02 ◼   ► When I do want to get a new computer or when I'm using multiple computers

01:32:05 ◼   ► There's not that much to keep in sync between them

01:32:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I mostly feel the same way. I

01:32:12 ◼   ► Have gotten very quick setting up a new computer these days. So that's good

01:32:17 ◼   ► I do use Synology Drive. I've mostly divorced myself from Dropbox. Synology Drive is not perfect

01:32:23 ◼   ► It's kind of their faux Dropbox, but it's not actively trying to be awful, which is an improvement over Dropbox. So that's good

01:32:30 ◼   ► They're trying bust their hearts. Just not it's not as good as Dropbox

01:32:34 ◼   ► but anyways, but yeah, like you said Marco like if there's I

01:32:39 ◼   ► Try to stay as stock as I can and for the things that can't I just synchronize that stuff manually by you know

01:32:44 ◼   ► Clicking around in system preferences for example and plus almost everything I do

01:32:49 ◼   ► All of the stuff that I do is all in like github or you know some other repository online

01:32:55 ◼   ► So there's there's very little like in the days of your which we've talked about

01:33:00 ◼   ► Many times on the show like using micro not John but you and I used briefcases on Windows

01:33:05 ◼   ► Which I don't know if that's even still a thing, but that was there like faux r-sync

01:33:09 ◼   ► That's what those did. Yeah, my briefcase. I remember that. Mm-hmm. Yeah

01:33:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought I used them very successfully way back in the day when I had a tower and a laptop and it was I

01:33:20 ◼   ► Mean it was Windows. So it was

01:33:22 ◼   ► Wonky and fiddly but it actually worked pretty well

01:33:24 ◼   ► anyways

01:33:25 ◼   ► I don't have that the I bring those up to say I don't really have a lot of that anymore and what little I have

01:33:31 ◼   ► Is stored in Synology Drive or you know Dropbox or whatever your equivalent may be

01:33:35 ◼   ► So I it's not really a problem for me John

01:33:39 ◼   ► I presume you have like some sort of figurative and or literal firewall between your work computer and your mac Pro

01:33:46 ◼   ► Yeah, like my thing is I don't actually want the same settings on all of my computers

01:33:51 ◼   ► Especially if one of them is a desktop one of those laptops. I don't have any sort of comprehensive syncing thing like Marco

01:33:56 ◼   ► I do keep like my most extensive settings in Dropbox. So BB edit. I have tons of settings

01:34:01 ◼   ► Honestly, I don't even know what they all are anymore

01:34:03 ◼   ► All I know is that if I launch BB edit on a system without my settings like what the hell is this?

01:34:07 ◼   ► I don't recognize this text editor. So apparently I'm customizing it a lot

01:34:10 ◼   ► But the like BB edit has native within the application ability to understand and sync through Dropbox

01:34:15 ◼   ► So my entire BB edit application support folder is in Dropbox that includes not just all my settings

01:34:20 ◼   ► But all of my like scripts and key bindings and like just you know sample templates and preview

01:34:26 ◼   ► CSS files and like everything so I think that's like my most important and extensive settings my browser settings and

01:34:34 ◼   ► Preferences like that when setting up a new machine able just manually, you know, I'm so used to manually

01:34:41 ◼   ► Dragging preference files in or pls files these days or whatever

01:34:45 ◼   ► I'll do that and of course as you both know

01:34:48 ◼   ► That's not such a big hassle even though it sounds like because how often do I set up a new computer?

01:34:52 ◼   ► It's not that often so

01:34:54 ◼   ► When I get my new Mac Pro guess what I'm gonna be doing it

01:34:58 ◼   ► I'm gonna use migration assistance, which gets almost all of it done for me and then like on an ongoing basis

01:35:03 ◼   ► synchronizing settings between my laptop at work and my desktop if there's a setting that is

01:35:09 ◼   ► A new like they're both already set up if there's a new setting and a new version of the rest

01:35:13 ◼   ► I'll just set it in both places

01:35:15 ◼   ► But my settings on my laptop are very different than my settings on my desktop like everything you go to in system purposes is different

01:35:22 ◼   ► So I'm perfectly content to have two different set of settings even for applications

01:35:26 ◼   ► Things are different because my work laptop first of all for people who don't work

01:35:30 ◼   ► You know

01:35:33 ◼   ► jobs in

01:35:34 ◼   ► techno corporate overlord situations they

01:35:37 ◼   ► Override a lot of settings on your laptop whether you like it or not so whatever my preferences are they have the screen locks set

01:35:44 ◼   ► To activate after X number of minutes for security reasons, and you know all sorts of stuff like that

01:35:48 ◼   ► So I got to deal with that and then on top of that. I just manually do whatever settings on

01:35:53 ◼   ► Excellent so speaking of things. I cannot pronounce correctly

01:35:58 ◼   ► Is this I message read or read receipts? I always say red, okay?

01:36:03 ◼   ► alright, so I message read receipts on or off for me on and

01:36:07 ◼   ► About three or four times a year

01:36:10 ◼   ► I wonder if that's the right answer, but it's been on pretty much ever since it was a thing John

01:36:13 ◼   ► Let's start with you on or off off always off my the the main

01:36:18 ◼   ► And I think everyone should have them off not just me

01:36:22 ◼   ► The the thing that I find most attractive about I message and slack and things like that is that it's asynchronous

01:36:28 ◼   ► Messaging it may seem like it's synchronous like you're in a conversation

01:36:31 ◼   ► But it's not the social obligation as far as I'm concerned is that it's asynchronous

01:36:35 ◼   ► It's better than getting someone on the phone because if they're in the middle of something they're driving or they're talking to somebody else

01:36:42 ◼   ► So they're taking a dump whatever it is that they're doing

01:36:44 ◼   ► synchronous would mean

01:36:47 ◼   ► You need their attention right now

01:36:49 ◼   ► asynchronous like I message or slack or any other thing is you send the message and

01:36:54 ◼   ► Maybe their phone buzzes or bloops or vibrates or maybe it's set to totally silent and maybe it's in another room

01:37:01 ◼   ► But eventually they'll see the notification or whatever and see that you got a message and then at that point

01:37:07 ◼   ► It also doesn't mean that they then have to respond to you

01:37:10 ◼   ► That's what a red receipt would make you think oh, they read my message. Why aren't they responding?

01:37:14 ◼   ► It's better to not know when they read your message

01:37:17 ◼   ► So then you can just think obviously they haven't read my messages and then so every time a message comes in you can be like

01:37:22 ◼   ► Oh

01:37:22 ◼   ► They just read my message and immediately reply if that makes you feel better when in reality

01:37:26 ◼   ► They might have read your message two hours ago and known that they can't deal with this right now because they're in the middle of

01:37:31 ◼   ► Making dinner or whatever and they'll deal with it later. So that is the beauty that is the social pact of

01:37:36 ◼   ► asynchronous messaging is that

01:37:39 ◼   ► You don't have to respond as soon as you get a message

01:37:41 ◼   ► You shouldn't expect it from other people and if we all turn off red receipts

01:37:45 ◼   ► If you're the type person who wants to believe that people respond as soon as they read your message

01:37:49 ◼   ► You can believe that and everything will be fine as soon as one person turns on red receipts

01:37:54 ◼   ► Then it's all breaks the whole system breaks down and now our own habits are actually revealed and everyone just feels bad

01:37:59 ◼   ► Now you don't have

01:38:04 ◼   ► Tina set to be on and everyone else off because that is something you can do no off for everybody

01:38:09 ◼   ► It's sorry really new do need to reach somebody if I need to reach my wife

01:38:13 ◼   ► I can call her on the phone like I find it if I need synchronous messaging that is available to me

01:38:18 ◼   ► I feel perfectly comfortable doing that like but that's not that's not the deal with text messages. No red receipts

01:38:25 ◼   ► Sorry, dad Marco. Yeah, I'm totally with you on that. I think that it's it breaks the

01:38:32 ◼   ► Like the expectation like, you know as John said like it's it's almost like the social construct and like it's like how you expect these

01:38:40 ◼   ► communication mechanisms to respond I don't expect if if I get a message on my phone and

01:38:45 ◼   ► I look at it now or I look at it later

01:38:48 ◼   ► I

01:38:48 ◼   ► Don't expect there to be a difference of something happening as a result of me having looked at it now in a certain way or not

01:38:54 ◼   ► like if I like like people talk about like, you know, if you you can like

01:38:57 ◼   ► Force-touch preview a message to not set send the red receipt or there's always a different thing

01:39:02 ◼   ► Just just disable them because to me like you sent me that message

01:39:07 ◼   ► It is none of your business when I've read it or even what that means

01:39:10 ◼   ► Like like what does it mean that I've read it? Does it mean that my phone displayed it fully?

01:39:14 ◼   ► Does it mean I've actually seen it doesn't mean I'm actually going to respond to it. Who knows right you sent the message

01:39:18 ◼   ► At some point I can respond it is none of your business when I do that or if I've seen it or anything

01:39:23 ◼   ► Like same reason like on emails. I disable the you know, loading third-party images by default

01:39:28 ◼   ► Well, because that shouldn't be enabled by default

01:39:31 ◼   ► I feel like because that enables the same kind of thing and it enables through various like douchey email apps

01:39:35 ◼   ► It enables people to have red pixels on their emails to you and the same thing. I think that's I think that's grossly inappropriate

01:39:41 ◼   ► I know like, you know certain employers set this up and require this for their employees and I think that's gross

01:39:47 ◼   ► It's like like I don't I don't look at my wife's phone because that's I consider that like an invasion of privacy

01:39:54 ◼   ► It's like that's like her brain then that would feel weird. Like I don't I don't poke around

01:39:59 ◼   ► I don't look at her messages like that would feel gross and like a like a weird overreach

01:40:03 ◼   ► I think red receipts are that same level of thing. It's that same level of like that's too much. That's too far

01:40:10 ◼   ► that's too much like surveillance of my behavior and

01:40:13 ◼   ► You the sender of this message don't deserve that information from me

01:40:18 ◼   ► Like that's that's creepy and and you don't need this information and you shouldn't want it and you shouldn't get it

01:40:23 ◼   ► I don't make you feel better not to have it because then you can choose to believe whatever you want to choose to believe about

01:40:28 ◼   ► Marco's interaction with your text message and I think most people will want to choose to believe he must not have seen it until the

01:40:34 ◼   ► Moment before he replied you can happily believe that and Marco will allow you to continue to have that fiction if it makes you feel

01:40:39 ◼   ► better

01:40:40 ◼   ► Exactly. I don't know. I have Mon. I think I've always had him on

01:40:43 ◼   ► I can't recall that ever having knowingly been a problem, but you do make you both make a very compelling argument

01:40:49 ◼   ► So you're a giver Casey. That's that's me. I'm a giver

01:40:51 ◼   ► Alright, I think that might do it

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01:41:52 ◼   ► Accidental

01:41:54 ◼   ► So we didn't talk about during follow-up

01:42:07 ◼   ► The legal question I had from last week and my story about my car getting bumped and what happened with that

01:42:13 ◼   ► The car is back. It's been repaired. It looks great. I am very thankful for that. I got a

01:42:20 ◼   ► lot of flack on Twitter and a little bit over email about the way I had handled the situation and what I had talked about on

01:42:26 ◼   ► the podcast and

01:42:28 ◼   ► What I thought I said on the podcast was cheese

01:42:32 ◼   ► It seems weird to me that this person didn't get some sort of citation or infraction for

01:42:38 ◼   ► Impacting their automobile into my automobile which seems to me to be something that really should not happen

01:42:45 ◼   ► What was it? You said on neutral John car shouldn't bump something like that

01:42:49 ◼   ► It's touch don't let them touch, right? I

01:42:52 ◼   ► Got a lot of flack for this and I wanted to very quickly address the flack that I received and then talk about the actual question

01:43:00 ◼   ► But to start with the flack, I think even though almost everyone who said something said it extraordinarily obnoxiously

01:43:07 ◼   ► So, thank you everyone

01:43:09 ◼   ► I do think that there was actually some amount of truth to what was being said which is you know

01:43:14 ◼   ► a white guy calling the cops for something that is admittedly minor is kind of the definition of privilege and

01:43:19 ◼   ► I

01:43:20 ◼   ► Don't think I had appropriately recognized that at the time in which we spoke last week and and I am sorry for that

01:43:26 ◼   ► I really am I think I should have been more self-aware than the way I was than the way I acted last week

01:43:31 ◼   ► That being said the reason I called the police was because what I didn't mention on the show last week

01:43:36 ◼   ► And I'd love to blame this on Marco having had too heavy a hand with the editing knife, but it wasn't him at all

01:43:40 ◼   ► I just didn't bring it up this time on to do this time on two separate occasions in my past

01:43:46 ◼   ► I have had minor bumps or something like something roughly equivalent to what happened and at the time of the issue

01:43:53 ◼   ► The other person said this was my fault

01:43:56 ◼   ► Here's my insurance blah blah blah and I did not call the cops and I thought everything was copacetic or everyone agrees

01:44:01 ◼   ► We're all happy

01:44:02 ◼   ► We're gonna go our separate ways and we will handle this like adults and in both of those occasions

01:44:08 ◼   ► The other person said oh no, that wasn't me or oh no

01:44:11 ◼   ► I didn't do anything wrong and fought us on it and I can give you the whole details, but it's ultimately irrelevant

01:44:18 ◼   ► The point is we got burned twice

01:44:20 ◼   ► where we tried to just handle it like adults and it didn't get handled and we ended up either footing the bill or

01:44:27 ◼   ► Our insurance had to deal with it because their insurance wouldn't pay because their person said they didn't do it blah blah blah

01:44:32 ◼   ► So the reason that I called the cops in the first place was because I will never make that mistake again

01:44:39 ◼   ► Now some people said you should never do that over a bumper

01:44:42 ◼   ► Hey, that's fine. If you are able to roll with it like that, that's fine

01:44:46 ◼   ► And I don't mean this to be a jerk if your car doesn't matter to you that much or if your paint doesn't have to be

01:44:51 ◼   ► Pristine, that's awesome. I kind of wish I was like that but that's not me. I want my car to look pristine

01:44:56 ◼   ► I'm proud of my car looking pristine. I wash it as often as I can because I wanted to look pristine

01:45:00 ◼   ► That's the way I am. So that's why I called the cops. I do think it was a bit unreasonable

01:45:06 ◼   ► that

01:45:08 ◼   ► It's I don't feel like I was seeking a citation

01:45:11 ◼   ► But it is unreasonable if I was and if I came across that way then that's my fault and I'm sorry

01:45:15 ◼   ► now to answer the actual question

01:45:17 ◼   ► I

01:45:19 ◼   ► I had a couple different thoughts. First of all what I didn't

01:45:22 ◼   ► reasonably appreciate last week

01:45:25 ◼   ► Which I did since think about and do appreciate now is that there is some amount of

01:45:29 ◼   ► Subjective application of law and I don't remember if somebody said this to me or if I had an epiphany maybe an apostrophe

01:45:35 ◼   ► That's reference. But anyway, I had a epiphany that you know, if I get a speeding ticket

01:45:40 ◼   ► I will want that officer to be as lenient as they possibly can be and give me

01:45:46 ◼   ► As low of a speeding ticket as they possibly can and if that's okay

01:45:50 ◼   ► Then it should be okay for this person who ran into me to also get let off and I don't think I appropriately

01:45:55 ◼   ► Appreciated that last week, but to answer the question

01:45:58 ◼   ► Chris who is a or either current or former law enforcement officer from Oklahoma

01:46:04 ◼   ► Wrote wrote in and said when I go to collisions that I know I won't work for example private property collisions with no injuries

01:46:09 ◼   ► I'll use my body camera and still get statements from both parties

01:46:12 ◼   ► I then explained that I won't be working the collision

01:46:14 ◼   ► But their statements will be recorded if there's any dispute the insurance companies can then subpoena my body cam for footage if needed

01:46:19 ◼   ► For potential potential laws that are broken you guys started to hit right on or started to hit on the right things

01:46:26 ◼   ► There's of course falling too closely or failure to devote a full time and attention for example looking into cell phone

01:46:31 ◼   ► But now if we have something like oh my foot slipped off the brake or oh the light turned green

01:46:36 ◼   ► I thought the car in front of me was going but they didn't

01:46:38 ◼   ► They have an ordinance in Chris's city

01:46:40 ◼   ► Which is called careless driving and it's kind of a catch-all that basically just states you drove in a way that caused damage to someone

01:46:45 ◼   ► Else's car, and I thought that was a pretty succinct and interesting

01:46:49 ◼   ► Answer to our question of how could they have been cited whether or not it was necessary

01:46:54 ◼   ► How could it have happened and there's your answer to touch on a few more aspects of this? I think you

01:47:01 ◼   ► your thing about

01:47:03 ◼   ► Getting into a situation and not involving the authorities and getting burned on a later because then it's just your word against theirs

01:47:08 ◼   ► There's no sort of third party, and there's you know no one taking statements in the moment and so on and so forth

01:47:12 ◼   ► I think that's advice that is

01:47:15 ◼   ► Handed out often

01:47:18 ◼   ► Some some are all of us may have gotten that advice from parents or other adults in our life saying if you ever do get

01:47:24 ◼   ► Into an accident even though it seems like you and the other person are in agreement about what happened

01:47:29 ◼   ► It's a good idea to

01:47:31 ◼   ► Call the police to report it and get a statement in the moment

01:47:35 ◼   ► And get witnesses and all sorts of other things because if you don't this bad thing could happen to you

01:47:40 ◼   ► I think of that actual advice is another example of what you're getting at before with privilege if you are

01:47:46 ◼   ► At the top of the food chain in terms of privilege in this country of course

01:47:52 ◼   ► It's natural for you to call in the authorities because it's all upside

01:47:55 ◼   ► Nothing bad is gonna happen to me, and they are gonna come in and they're gonna protect my rights

01:48:00 ◼   ► And they're going to protect me. That's the expectation by calling in the authorities

01:48:04 ◼   ► I'm calling them to come and protect me the thought doesn't enter your head that I'm going to call the authorities

01:48:09 ◼   ► I'm gonna be dead in an hour and a half that doesn't enter your mind

01:48:13 ◼   ► If this is the type of advice you're getting and similarly if your parents are giving you this advice

01:48:17 ◼   ► That the first thing you should always do in any situation like this is called the authorities chances

01:48:21 ◼   ► Are you're probably white and if you're not your parents might be giving your parents might be giving you very?

01:48:25 ◼   ► different advice

01:48:27 ◼   ► And that's something that we tend not to think about and that not doesn't necessarily mean it's bad advice because cases examples in accidents

01:48:34 ◼   ► It is a good idea to not just trust the other person to

01:48:37 ◼   ► Say exactly the same thing as it is a good idea to sort of get you know down

01:48:42 ◼   ► what happened like it's a it's a difficult situation because

01:48:45 ◼   ► We should mean we would like to live in a world in a society where?

01:48:50 ◼   ► It was a level playing field right

01:48:53 ◼   ► So I'm honestly I've been in a lot of these situations. I was discussing this with my wife. I've been in minor you know

01:49:00 ◼   ► Someone bumps into my car when I'm parked or something and I see it happen

01:49:04 ◼   ► you know or like we're stopped at a stoplight and someone touches my bumper or something like that and

01:49:09 ◼   ► I'm sometimes that situation

01:49:12 ◼   ► I won't even get out of the car because I'm right driving an old beater

01:49:16 ◼   ► And it's already got dents all over the bumper

01:49:18 ◼   ► And it was like the world's smallest bump, and I just give him a dirty look and you know

01:49:23 ◼   ► We

01:49:26 ◼   ► Exactly, and we just all go on our way because like you just can't even deal with it right

01:49:30 ◼   ► But in other situations if there's actual car damage

01:49:33 ◼   ► It is actually important to get things under control and you do have to take an assessment

01:49:36 ◼   ► I think this is one of the other things that you were getting yelled at Casey is like the idea that

01:49:39 ◼   ► Another another aspect of your potential privilege. I don't think people just made this assumption because they made this assumption, but potentially it's like oh

01:49:47 ◼   ► Casey is you know comfortable in his life and is able to absorb the cost of his bumper whereas the poor defenseless person that

01:49:54 ◼   ► Hit them obviously is on their last penny and can't afford anything right and so how dare you?

01:50:00 ◼   ► Extract money for it for this thing in any sort of exchange or whatever that may be true

01:50:04 ◼   ► It may be this person was you know this was there on their last penny

01:50:08 ◼   ► And they're driving to a job interview that they need to keep their rent or as they're all gonna die right like this

01:50:13 ◼   ► Oh, that could be true right and that is it is a reasonable thing to take into account when deciding

01:50:19 ◼   ► How you were going to handle a situation like this in an accident?

01:50:22 ◼   ► But case you didn't say anything about whether this person was driving a Bentley or not for all you know they were driving their parents

01:50:29 ◼   ► Lamborghini SUV does that change your opinion about whether they should buy the $500 like people sense of justice

01:50:35 ◼   ► right or wrong depends a lot on

01:50:39 ◼   ► like

01:50:41 ◼   ► the relative

01:50:42 ◼   ► power and financial positions of the people involved in the minor fender bender, so I

01:50:47 ◼   ► Think and again Casey didn't say anything

01:50:50 ◼   ► He just said this person was young now just being saying you're young you say well obviously young people have less money than older people

01:50:55 ◼   ► That's true, too, so that may have been the situation, and I think it is good to take that into account

01:50:59 ◼   ► I just think there's not without all the details

01:51:02 ◼   ► It's very difficult to say what the quote unquote right thing to do is and another point related that a lot of people brought up

01:51:07 ◼   ► is

01:51:08 ◼   ► Sometimes you just do a nice thing by just eating it and Casey willingly or not did that in these two other times that he

01:51:14 ◼   ► Talked about where he just ended up eating it and someone else got something nicer, and he didn't particularly do it

01:51:19 ◼   ► Willingly, but sometimes like I kind of feel like that's sort of

01:51:23 ◼   ► What you know can happen if like in this situation where I don't even get into my car, but on the other hand

01:51:30 ◼   ► It's like I'm also saving myself the hassle of dealing with it at all and just be willing to say in that moment

01:51:35 ◼   ► My bumper is already destroyed. I know this didn't make it any worse

01:51:39 ◼   ► I'm just gonna like it's actually easier for everybody including me involved to not worry about it

01:51:45 ◼   ► But on the other hand like if it's a serious accident

01:51:49 ◼   ► Or it's a brand new car or someone bumps into the bumper of my Ferrari someday

01:51:53 ◼   ► I'm probably gonna get out of the car

01:51:55 ◼   ► And I will probably exercise my privilege and get to get the police involved as long as I feel like by doing that

01:52:02 ◼   ► I am NOT causing anyone else putting anyone else in danger as in it's another rich white dude to bump me in the bumper

01:52:09 ◼   ► I think that's the the correct level playing field. They bump me with their Ferrari

01:52:13 ◼   ► I feel like that's that is a reasonable thing to do and if your main concern is not getting screwed over by someone changing their story and

01:52:21 ◼   ► Everything seems to be you know on the level

01:52:24 ◼   ► With respect to putting people in danger

01:52:27 ◼   ► Then I think that is also a reasonable thing to do

01:52:30 ◼   ► I don't know if Casey wants to talk about details of what kind of car hit them or how old the person was or

01:52:35 ◼   ► You know anything else about them that might change your opinion of whether he should or shouldn't have called the police

01:52:40 ◼   ► But the bottom line is that he didn't seem to work out. Okay, so I think you know he probably

01:52:45 ◼   ► Didn't act in an unreasonable manner.

01:52:48 ◼   ► I appreciate it. No, I think I did say last episode. It was a

01:52:52 ◼   ► reasonably modern Jeep Compass. I don't know if that made the final edit, but

01:52:56 ◼   ► I don't know. I would say it was

01:52:59 ◼   ► Five maybe ten years old and it seemed to be in good repair

01:53:03 ◼   ► You know it wasn't like the bumper was falling off or anything like that

01:53:05 ◼   ► I'll also say that if the if the impact resulted in just like a scratch or

01:53:11 ◼   ► Something or like a little bit of paint that maybe I could have gotten out with like compound or something

01:53:16 ◼   ► I would have just driven off and called it a day, but there was a clear issue with the car now

01:53:21 ◼   ► Maybe to you listener the issue was not enough to get your junk in a wad over

01:53:25 ◼   ► But it was enough to get my junk in a wad and so that's why I acted the way I did

01:53:29 ◼   ► But I got enough very angry people yelling at me on Twitter and via email

01:53:34 ◼   ► That I wanted to just quickly address it and since we haven't gone long enough talking about everything under the Sun

01:53:40 ◼   ► Let's talk about the abomination that is the Cybertruck because oh

01:53:43 ◼   ► It's not that bad. It's bad. You're getting clouded by your fanboyism. It's so bad. I mean I guess I mean part of my

01:53:51 ◼   ► Yeah, it's hard for me to

01:53:55 ◼   ► Accurately and usefully judge the Cybertruck because I am NOT a truck person like I am a Tesla person

01:54:01 ◼   ► but I am NOT a truck person and

01:54:04 ◼   ► truck people are

01:54:06 ◼   ► such their own thing that I feel

01:54:09 ◼   ► totally unqualified to talk about it all I can say is it looks pretty cool and

01:54:15 ◼   ► Tesla is doing their usual things of like

01:54:18 ◼   ► Making a mostly pretty cool vehicle with a few things that are incredibly over engineered about it

01:54:25 ◼   ► That will probably cause production delays and problems like they always do

01:54:28 ◼   ► But but it does look pretty cool. I like that they didn't just do something

01:54:34 ◼   ► really pedestrian

01:54:36 ◼   ► Whether it proves useful or not. That's that's up to people who know more about trucks than I do, but I think it looks

01:54:44 ◼   ► Really weird but in kind of a good way it like sometimes you need that in

01:54:49 ◼   ► industries that are kind of stodgy and

01:54:52 ◼   ► The pickup truck industry has been stuck for quite a while in making things that look pretty much the same all the time

01:54:59 ◼   ► And there are good reasons for some of those decisions, but not for all of them

01:55:03 ◼   ► and so this is it looks pretty cool and

01:55:05 ◼   ► You know what? You got to give Tesla credit

01:55:08 ◼   ► They announce a bunch of really weird stuff and stuff that seems really out there and really ambitious

01:55:15 ◼   ► They actually do most of it. They actually end up shipping most of the things they announce and

01:55:21 ◼   ► It might take longer and it might you know have some problems at first but like they do

01:55:26 ◼   ► usually ship the things they announce like this and so I gotta give them credit like

01:55:31 ◼   ► They're doing more crazy stuff and it seems to be working and no one else is doing the stuff they're doing. So cool. I

01:55:38 ◼   ► Quit the show. I quit the show. I'm not saying I'm buying one or you should but oh no, it's so no

01:55:45 ◼   ► Just no Marco. I think the only thing I agree with and what you just said was that it is cool that they're doing something different

01:55:51 ◼   ► That yeah, okay

01:55:52 ◼   ► Hey, you know what since since we already spent all of my money and your money in this show

01:55:56 ◼   ► Maybe John can buy the Cybertruck John John. It's your time to shine

01:55:59 ◼   ► No, I can I feel like if Microsoft did the computing equivalent of this announcement?

01:56:06 ◼   ► I didn't even watch the presentation because I for everyone I know

01:56:08 ◼   ► Even the Tesla fan said it was a disaster. So I didn't feel like I needed to but I didn't watch the presentation either

01:56:14 ◼   ► I know the whole like, you know window breaking thing, right if Microsoft did whatever the computing equivalent is of this announcement

01:56:20 ◼   ► You and me and John would be beating the snot

01:56:24 ◼   ► But probably because it's Elon and because it's Tesla. Oh, everything's okay. Don't worry

01:56:30 ◼   ► I think this thing is ugly from what little I know of trucks and how they work and what's

01:56:34 ◼   ► Important and useful to them. It doesn't strike me as a particularly good pickup truck

01:56:38 ◼   ► Yes, it's very strong. But other than that like that's not it's not a very good utility vehicle. I it it no

01:56:45 ◼   ► It just it looks stupid. It doesn't have side mirrors doesn't have windshield wipers right now

01:56:49 ◼   ► It's a friggin triangle like everything about this almost

01:56:52 ◼   ► Offends me which makes me wonder if this is old man shouting at cloud

01:56:56 ◼   ► so I don't know but I this just I feel like

01:57:00 ◼   ► There's so much that I can applaud about what Tesla's done even in the cars that I have issues with like I really dislike the model

01:57:08 ◼   ► 3's

01:57:10 ◼   ► Single screen in the center thing. I really wish it had an instrument cluster for example, but I can get behind

01:57:17 ◼   ► That that is something different and isn't necessarily just for differences sake whereas this just seems like

01:57:24 ◼   ► Nobody said no to Elon and it just doesn't seem useful to me. I haven't heard connected

01:57:31 ◼   ► So, I don't know if they had a chance to talk about it

01:57:32 ◼   ► but I I have spoken to Stephen Hackett a little bit privately or we have spoken to him privately and

01:57:37 ◼   ► He from what I gathered did not seem overly impressed with it either. I don't know John. What's your thoughts?

01:57:42 ◼   ► This product I feel like might

01:57:46 ◼   ► See

01:57:48 ◼   ► It's hard to think of it as like is this a good car

01:57:51 ◼   ► Is this a good product for Tesla to make?

01:57:53 ◼   ► Who is this going to satisfy the thing about trucks in general in the United States is?

01:57:57 ◼   ► Most of them are not used as trucks just like most SUVs are not taken off-road. Most trucks are not used as trucks

01:58:02 ◼   ► and that's why you get all these these trucks that you know, if you start looking at them and seeing how much they cost and

01:58:09 ◼   ► What they have and they have four doors in them and they have these weird interiors and they have these like

01:58:13 ◼   ► Polished chrome bed liners. I'm just making things up. But like they're they're very fancy trucks. They're mostly not used as trucks

01:58:19 ◼   ► So whatever like who am I to say that if someone wants a big snarling giant ridiculous pickup truck that they never use as a truck

01:58:25 ◼   ► Except for like one or two times every few years to like move someone's couch fine. Let them have it, right?

01:58:31 ◼   ► That is actually I think the biggest market for trucks in the United States the Cybertruck it may actually

01:58:39 ◼   ► fill a

01:58:42 ◼   ► Need in that market for a

01:58:45 ◼   ► Pickup truck that's not used as a truck that looks different than all the other pickup trucks not used as trucks

01:58:50 ◼   ► It has to look it has to fulfill the requirements of that category. It has to be

01:58:55 ◼   ► beefy and tough-looking and actually tough and

01:58:59 ◼   ► Intimidating and deadly to pedestrians in a terrifying way. That should be illegal. I

01:59:06 ◼   ► Think it might hit all of those markers even the styling like it's part of it

01:59:12 ◼   ► You know the dramatically different styling than other ticket pickup trucks that might be good for it as a product

01:59:18 ◼   ► yes, even if it's ugly because

01:59:20 ◼   ► It's it stands out, right?

01:59:23 ◼   ► the styling itself

01:59:25 ◼   ► Like I give them certainly give them points for doing something that's different than all the other pickup trucks. I

01:59:31 ◼   ► subtract points for essentially instead of coming up with a new styling and

01:59:36 ◼   ► Just taking the styling from the it's like retro future. It's like straight out of the 80s

01:59:41 ◼   ► You can put this thing on a video game box from the 80s or in a movie from the 80s

01:59:46 ◼   ► It's like yeah, no, that's that like it's not it's not even an homage to that styling

01:59:50 ◼   ► It is literally that styling so it's not particularly original because I lived through the 80s and it's like yeah

01:59:56 ◼   ► No, that's the thing but there but they're making it a real car right so fine, right?

02:00:01 ◼   ► I think it's pretty ugly and ungainly, but I I'm I understand the vibe

02:00:07 ◼   ► They're going for and I give them full points for making a weird car

02:00:10 ◼   ► All that said I think it's a terrible truck for people who want trucks like it is not a successful like they haven't

02:00:19 ◼   ► Unlike for example the model S is a great thing to compare it for the model S

02:00:23 ◼   ► Like is so practical in terms of like a car that has four doors that stand shape

02:00:29 ◼   ► How can we make this the most useful?

02:00:31 ◼   ► Part that's four doors. It's a shape because it's electric we can do all sorts of things other four doors car

02:00:37 ◼   ► So it's big on the inside has big trunks. It has a hatchback. It has the seats in the back

02:00:41 ◼   ► It's like it does everything that it can to be

02:00:44 ◼   ► Useful as a sedan

02:00:47 ◼   ► This truck does not do everything it can to be useful as a truck at all. Like the everything about it is

02:00:53 ◼   ► It's the Johnny Ives cool, you know, the bad Johnny Ives cool like

02:00:58 ◼   ► Form over function, right?

02:01:00 ◼   ► It looks cool to have a giant long slanting windshield

02:01:02 ◼   ► But that's not great for visibility with those a pill is stretching out for a mile

02:01:06 ◼   ► It's certainly probably not great for water clearance off the windshield and whatever they're gonna have to do to put a wiper in that thing

02:01:12 ◼   ► The C pillars it's not good for the bed to have those weird slanty things

02:01:16 ◼   ► It's terrible for your visibility

02:01:18 ◼   ► Like one of the good things you can have a pickup truck is that the cab pokes out above a flat bed and you got a

02:01:22 ◼   ► Good all-around visibility not on the Cybertruck. You got these little tank like slits

02:01:25 ◼   ► It is not and the bed how big is the bed compared to the rest of the truck?

02:01:30 ◼   ► how low does the bed because the battery is under there and all these other things like

02:01:33 ◼   ► How good is electric for towing heavy things like this?

02:01:37 ◼   ► First of all, this thing doesn't have the towing capacity of like a giant heavy-duty like Ford f350 or something

02:01:42 ◼   ► It's not even in that category and even in the f-150 category

02:01:45 ◼   ► It remains to be seen how wise it is and how much your rain gets range gets destroyed if you're at maximum towing capacity

02:01:51 ◼   ► because unlike one of those big trucks, you can't just add more gallons to your gas tank and

02:01:55 ◼   ► Get more range for you know, incredibly cheaply if you want more range another thing yet

02:02:00 ◼   ► I'm more heavy batteries and it cuts into it. So I don't think this is a good truck

02:02:04 ◼   ► I said before it doesn't matter that it's probably not a good truck

02:02:07 ◼   ► But all I'm saying is this thing is not like a it's not a good design design is how it works

02:02:12 ◼   ► This does not work

02:02:13 ◼   ► Well as a truck if how it works is being attractive to non truck buyers

02:02:18 ◼   ► Then it's probably a good design like it all depends on what your works is like and I think it is

02:02:24 ◼   ► Reasonable to say what works for the segment is not to be a good pickup truck. There's plenty of good pickup trucks

02:02:30 ◼   ► We're not making a good pickup truck

02:02:31 ◼   ► what works in this segment is to be the most appealing thing to someone with $65,000 who wants a big macho truck and

02:02:38 ◼   ► In that case, maybe this design does quote-unquote work

02:02:41 ◼   ► I still think it's a bad car because having bad visibility out of your car

02:02:44 ◼   ► It's not an advantage like no matter what kind of car you make

02:02:48 ◼   ► There's no car where you're like and I want the visibility to be as bad as possible

02:02:51 ◼   ► Sometimes it is a side effect like in lots of exotic cars

02:02:55 ◼   ► The visibility is terrible

02:02:56 ◼   ► But I think good supercar designs like the ones from McLaren or like the NSX in particular

02:03:01 ◼   ► Focus on outward visibility and say well, I know it's a mid-engine car and you're gonna have a tough view at the rear

02:03:07 ◼   ► Because the engine is back there. But what can we do? Can we can we make kind of a glass bubble cockpit?

02:03:11 ◼   ► Can we put more visibility in can we?

02:03:13 ◼   ► Pull make it so that the a pillars aren't blocking half of your field of view just for us will be outside design like at

02:03:19 ◼   ► At least try and the cyber trucks like nope. All we care about is this thing looks like a matchbox car

02:03:23 ◼   ► or a kid's notebook for middle school and

02:03:25 ◼   ► Usability be damned. So but you know, I think it is an incredibly

02:03:31 ◼   ► Impractical unsuccessful truck, but I also think that probably doesn't matter because that's not the market

02:03:39 ◼   ► They're going for I still have disdain for the product though kind of like, you know, like

02:03:43 ◼   ► In a way that I don't have for people who buy fancy like a Ford 150s like those are still okay trucks

02:03:50 ◼   ► And maybe you're over optioning it and getting leather seats and it's silly and it's all polished and you ever gonna but at least it's still

02:03:56 ◼   ► It is still a competent practical truck. This is this is not that this is if you see someone with this

02:04:02 ◼   ► You know, they didn't buy it because they're just constantly hauling things back and forth

02:04:06 ◼   ► That's not why they bought the cyber truck

02:04:08 ◼   ► And if they did try to buy it for that purpose, they're gonna be very sad and they're gonna break their truck

02:04:12 ◼   ► You know, I take your point about the cyber truck maybe not being for truck people

02:04:18 ◼   ► But I have to slightly disagree with you. I I

02:04:21 ◼   ► think that most pickup owners do use their pickups as

02:04:25 ◼   ► pickups

02:04:27 ◼   ► I think they do it more often than you think I do ultimately agree with you though that in my world

02:04:33 ◼   ► For the amount of times that I would want to pick up. I think that they're silly and wasteful, but that's me

02:04:38 ◼   ► I for a lot of people that's they couldn't use any other car nearly as easily like take Steven

02:04:45 ◼   ► For example, he puts his bike or bikes in the bed of his pickup a couple times a week

02:04:50 ◼   ► If not more and yes, you could do that in the back of Aaron's monstrosity

02:04:53 ◼   ► You could even probably put a rack on the back of your accord John

02:04:57 ◼   ► But it is easiest to do that in a pickup and I think that

02:05:00 ◼   ► Unlike SUV drivers like Aaron's never gonna take her Volvo off a road

02:05:04 ◼   ► But I do think that pickups do get used more often than SUVs for their allegedly intended purpose that being said

02:05:11 ◼   ► I do think that this is a terrible pickup truck and just an just a silly silly car

02:05:16 ◼   ► Just putting something in the bed is like saying because you put something in your trunk use your car as a pickup, right?

02:05:21 ◼   ► Yes, you you will put things in the bed. There's no place else to put thing

02:05:23 ◼   ► Although people do buy those little you know container. He's one of the hell those things called

02:05:30 ◼   ► You know, yeah and you'll put bikes that back there or whatever that that's all well and good but like

02:05:35 ◼   ► That you know

02:05:37 ◼   ► You're not concerned about the towing capacity or like how much you can hold 2,500 pounds in the bed if you're putting a 98 pound

02:05:45 ◼   ► bicycle back there

02:05:45 ◼   ► Like you could put a bike rack on the back of your golf and have the same flexibility

02:05:48 ◼   ► Like that's not just because you put something in the bed doesn't mean you're using it as a truck

02:05:52 ◼   ► I think my bar is a little bit higher there as in

02:05:55 ◼   ► You are a painting contractor and you you bring your supplies to and from the job site every day with your pickup truck or landscaping

02:06:02 ◼   ► or whatever like you actually use it as a pickup truck where you a

02:06:04 ◼   ► Volkswagen Golf with a bike rack cannot do that. I

02:06:07 ◼   ► Hear you. I don't know. It's just one way or another. I really feel like

02:06:12 ◼   ► the Tesla people

02:06:15 ◼   ► Including potentially even Marco from the sounds of it are grading this real heavily on a curve and I mean, that's fine

02:06:20 ◼   ► whatever but I mean

02:06:21 ◼   ► I feel like that's like I was angry that it's a bad truck

02:06:25 ◼   ► but honestly like if your goal is to sell to Tesla fans a

02:06:28 ◼   ► Futuristic looking vehicle that can also has that is truckier than any other Tesla's that no one's gonna really use as a truck

02:06:34 ◼   ► Then this is maybe a successful viable product

02:06:39 ◼   ► It just you know about like I feel like you can do all of that

02:06:42 ◼   ► You can make a daring cool looking thing with

02:06:44 ◼   ► Innovative styling that isn't particularly a good truck and also like I think that thing the thing spelling is likes it

02:06:50 ◼   ► It's visibility because I hate cars with bad visibility for styling purposes because this is you know

02:06:55 ◼   ► You're trying to sell more than a thousand of these a year

02:06:58 ◼   ► So don't like I'm willing to to accept terrible visibility on your exotic hypercar that you're not gonna make more than

02:07:04 ◼   ► 500 of not willing to accept it on a pickup truck and then the the giant C pillars that that you know

02:07:11 ◼   ► Make the bed sides not flat and just sort of compromise the entire utility of a pickup truck of like a flat bed

02:07:18 ◼   ► but also flat sides because if you're gonna try to put anything in there having to deal with those angles and be not being able to

02:07:23 ◼   ► Get at things from the side like these are common activities here pickup trucks. Like it just

02:07:27 ◼   ► there's kind of a reason that the

02:07:30 ◼   ► Subaru Brat and the the original Honda Ridgeline like that whole, you know, flying buttress C pillar thing. It's not it's not practical pickup trucks, so

02:07:39 ◼   ► It almost would have been better, you know all the memes they're putting out if they just you know

02:07:43 ◼   ► If they just put out the halo warthog and said look this is what you want. Like it's not practical. It's cool-looking

02:07:48 ◼   ► It's futuristic. It looks like a big tonka toy matchbox car. It's the halo warthog

02:07:53 ◼   ► The Tesla halo warthog that's and I think it's fine to have that product for people who want that type of thing

02:08:00 ◼   ► I just hope they don't drive it on my roads because again, they're gonna kill more pedestrians with it or whatever but

02:08:04 ◼   ► Yeah, it's it's not for me. It may be for a bunch of Tesla fires, but it's a bad truck

02:08:11 ◼   ► And it's a bad name because what's cyber about it really that's not their naming scheme Tesla model this Tesla model that cyber

02:08:17 ◼   ► Cyber, I mean, I guess it fits with the 80s styling

02:08:20 ◼   ► cyber, come on

02:08:23 ◼   ► (loud thud)