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00:00:00 ◼   ► I've had a terrible week for technology.

00:00:02 ◼   ► - Oh, tell me more.

00:00:04 ◼   ► - A few episodes ago, I described my choice

00:00:07 ◼   ► to not get another Synology for the beach,

00:00:11 ◼   ► but instead, just get a couple of large SSDs

00:00:15 ◼   ► in an external USB enclosure,

00:00:17 ◼   ► and just use them as local disks,

00:00:19 ◼   ► and host Time Machine for that and everything.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - I gotta interrupt you, are you in a mental place

00:00:23 ◼   ► where I'm allowed to laugh at you for your misfortune,

00:00:26 ◼   ► or are you in need of me to be sympathetic

00:00:29 ◼   ► and understanding?

00:00:31 ◼   ► - I have almost ordered a Synology

00:00:33 ◼   ► to fix the problem that I'm having.

00:00:35 ◼   ► - Well, you're really trying me.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - I'm not quite there yet.

00:00:37 ◼   ► - You're really trying me here.

00:00:38 ◼   ► Okay, I'm gonna try to be good.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - To answer your question, you are totally allowed

00:00:42 ◼   ► to gloat about how right now, my solution

00:00:46 ◼   ► is not working well.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - All right, so all kidding aside, what's going on?

00:00:50 ◼   ► - So, I got these big SSDs in.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I had some weirdness where sometimes

00:00:57 ◼   ► they would unmount themselves,

00:01:00 ◼   ► or sometimes, after the first Time Machine backup,

00:01:04 ◼   ► it took a while, and after the first Time Machine backup,

00:01:07 ◼   ► I started getting errors that they couldn't complete

00:01:10 ◼   ► another backup, and the errors would report

00:01:13 ◼   ► some kind of weird file system problem,

00:01:16 ◼   ► and so I would run the disk repair healing thing,

00:01:19 ◼   ► and it would fail.

00:01:20 ◼   ► Like, okay, well that's good.

00:01:22 ◼   ► So I tried blowing away the partition,

00:01:25 ◼   ► start over, erase the whole disk, start over,

00:01:29 ◼   ► start Time Machine again, and it couldn't even complete

00:01:33 ◼   ► a whole backup.

00:01:34 ◼   ► It would just stall for a while and eventually fail.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Or there's this weird step of Time Machine

00:01:39 ◼   ► where after you do, it seems like after you do

00:01:41 ◼   ► a first Time Machine backup, it then tries to encrypt

00:01:45 ◼   ► the whole disk for some reason.

00:01:47 ◼   ► This is all still on Catalina, by the way.

00:01:49 ◼   ► It wouldn't get through that process.

00:01:51 ◼   ► It would just stall, and so I eventually concluded,

00:01:54 ◼   ► okay, it's very possible that these SSDs are already bad,

00:01:58 ◼   ► or at least one of them is.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Which, I know there are these Micron 7.68 terabyte SSDs.

00:02:04 ◼   ► They're a very low price for that capacity,

00:02:08 ◼   ► but it's still not a low price, in absolute terms.

00:02:12 ◼   ► So this is a decent amount of money at stake,

00:02:15 ◼   ► and for SSDs that are just outside of the Amazon

00:02:19 ◼   ► return window, so I'd have to deal with Micron directly,

00:02:22 ◼   ► which I don't wanna have to do that.

00:02:24 ◼   ► - What kind of case are they in, though?

00:02:26 ◼   ► That's the thing that I would suspect,

00:02:27 ◼   ► 'cause you have the two separate sticks,

00:02:29 ◼   ► but they're being joined by a hardware RAID 0 thing?

00:02:33 ◼   ► - It joined in this kind of Cable Matters box

00:02:36 ◼   ► that Cable Matters doesn't appear to make,

00:02:38 ◼   ► 'cause a few other sellers on Amazon sell

00:02:39 ◼   ► the exact same box, and they're their brand names

00:02:41 ◼   ► for the same price.

00:02:42 ◼   ► And it has a hardware RAID thing on it,

00:02:45 ◼   ► but I have the RAID disabled, so they just appear

00:02:47 ◼   ► as two separate disks.

00:02:49 ◼   ► But I also thought, maybe it's the enclosure.

00:02:52 ◼   ► That's certainly where my mind went first.

00:02:56 ◼   ► - Wait, but you're using them as two separate disks,

00:02:58 ◼   ► but which one of the two are you targeting

00:03:00 ◼   ► with Time Machine?

00:03:01 ◼   ► - Only one of them.

00:03:02 ◼   ► The other one was my big archive drive.

00:03:05 ◼   ► But fortunately, I haven't put anything on it yet.

00:03:07 ◼   ► - Did you try the other one with Time Machine?

00:03:09 ◼   ► - I probably should have attempted that.

00:03:11 ◼   ► No is the answer, I didn't.

00:03:12 ◼   ► - Anyway, what did Micron say?

00:03:15 ◼   ► - Well, I didn't go to them yet,

00:03:16 ◼   ► 'cause first I figured, well, let me order

00:03:19 ◼   ► a couple of cheap enclosures that are just single disk,

00:03:21 ◼   ► regular enclosures, just so I can rule out,

00:03:23 ◼   ► is the enclosure being buggy?

00:03:25 ◼   ► As I'm working on that, as I have no Time Machine,

00:03:29 ◼   ► Tiff's laptop dies.

00:03:31 ◼   ► - Oh, I heard about that.

00:03:33 ◼   ► That was the overheating thing, right?

00:03:35 ◼   ► - I don't know if it was overheating.

00:03:37 ◼   ► However, as part of the, so the symptom is,

00:03:40 ◼   ► just would not power on, no matter what you did.

00:03:43 ◼   ► No matter what kind of crazy key commands,

00:03:45 ◼   ► what kind of crazy SMC resets and PM whatever resets

00:03:49 ◼   ► and all the, like, reset the T to,

00:03:51 ◼   ► every possible thing that we could think of to do,

00:03:54 ◼   ► none of it would make this computer turn on.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Followed every single possible thing.

00:03:58 ◼   ► And after a while of doing some of these things,

00:04:03 ◼   ► Tiff's like, oh my god, I smell burning plastic.

00:04:06 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:04:07 ◼   ► - And sure enough, out of the right side vent,

00:04:12 ◼   ► it was the distinct smell of burnt electronics.

00:04:14 ◼   ► You know, like, I don't know if it's like a burnt capacitor

00:04:16 ◼   ► or what, but it's like, it's the smell

00:04:17 ◼   ► of a dead power supply.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - Don't smell that.

00:04:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, oh yeah, we didn't take a big long sniff.

00:04:22 ◼   ► Yeah, it's the distinctive smell of a dead power supply

00:04:27 ◼   ► or something, coming from inside the laptop.

00:04:29 ◼   ► We're like, oh, okay.

00:04:30 ◼   ► - I would have worried that it was a battery fire situation.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - We did, and in fact, we brought it outside,

00:04:35 ◼   ► holding it over a pit of sand while I continued

00:04:39 ◼   ► to try to get it to power on,

00:04:40 ◼   ► just in case it would catch additional fire.

00:04:42 ◼   ► - Wait, is that a butterfly keyboard?

00:04:44 ◼   ► - It sure is.

00:04:46 ◼   ► - Because sand is its mortal enemy.

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Yes, I thought of that as well.

00:04:50 ◼   ► - What a fitting end.

00:04:51 ◼   ► - Of course it's the butterfly keyboard.

00:04:53 ◼   ► This freaking keyboard.

00:04:55 ◼   ► So anyway, so Tiff's laptop is totally dead.

00:05:00 ◼   ► This laptop is only like 15 months old.

00:05:03 ◼   ► It's the 2019 15 inch, the very last butterfly keyboard,

00:05:08 ◼   ► 15 inch.

00:05:09 ◼   ► - It just couldn't bear to go on.

00:05:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:05:14 ◼   ► So that, and guess what?

00:05:16 ◼   ► We bought it last year, and my standard policy

00:05:20 ◼   ► is I don't buy AppleCare on most things.

00:05:24 ◼   ► This is the very first time it's ever really bitten me hard.

00:05:28 ◼   ► - Well, did it bite you?

00:05:29 ◼   ► 'Cause now you get to get one with a good keyboard.

00:05:31 ◼   ► - So we look at this and we're like, okay,

00:05:32 ◼   ► well, this computer is a $2,300-ish a year ago computer

00:05:41 ◼   ► that we don't want it to be worth nothing now.

00:05:44 ◼   ► - I don't think people usually don't buy them

00:05:46 ◼   ► on the used market once the magic smoke has escaped.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - Yes, exactly.

00:05:50 ◼   ► And we figured it would probably not cost $2,300

00:05:53 ◼   ► to repair it out of warranty, and sure enough, it didn't.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Apple repaired it for something like $750.

00:06:00 ◼   ► It's on its way back to us now.

00:06:01 ◼   ► We'll see if it's actually repaired.

00:06:02 ◼   ► God, I hope so.

00:06:03 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, did they tell you what they thought

00:06:06 ◼   ► was wrong with it?

00:06:07 ◼   ► - No, it's funny, actually.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Again, I've never actually seen an Apple paid repair process

00:06:14 ◼   ► for a computer.

00:06:15 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever actually done a paid repair.

00:06:18 ◼   ► - They'll give you a parts and labor kind of breakdown

00:06:20 ◼   ► at the end of it.

00:06:21 ◼   ► - Anyway, so that also happened.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Thank God for Backblaze, 'cause we didn't have

00:06:29 ◼   ► Time Machine during this. (laughs)

00:06:32 ◼   ► So we had no Time Machine, 'cause my Time Machine disk died.

00:06:36 ◼   ► TIFF's laptop then died.

00:06:39 ◼   ► And then my laptop, it worked in the sense

00:06:44 ◼   ► that it was running the Big Sur beta, and it functioned.

00:06:49 ◼   ► But now my laptop has to then take over

00:06:52 ◼   ► and be two people's laptop.

00:06:55 ◼   ► And we had been using TIFFs for a few things

00:06:57 ◼   ► because none of my audio apps work yet on Big Sur.

00:07:01 ◼   ► And so we had to keep a Catalina laptop

00:07:06 ◼   ► operating in the house, so we still needed that.

00:07:09 ◼   ► So it's like, okay, well we still kinda need

00:07:10 ◼   ► a Catalina laptop.

00:07:12 ◼   ► I'm not gonna go buy a new one now,

00:07:15 ◼   ► like right before the ARM transition,

00:07:17 ◼   ► since it's a terrible time. (laughs)

00:07:19 ◼   ► So I'm not gonna buy something now.

00:07:22 ◼   ► There is no way I can rationalize it.

00:07:23 ◼   ► Like, oh, well if I buy some new thing I want,

00:07:25 ◼   ► then we can sell TIFFs when it gets back.

00:07:27 ◼   ► Like, there's no way to rationalize that right now.

00:07:29 ◼   ► This is a terrible time.

00:07:31 ◼   ► So I'm like, all right, well let me,

00:07:34 ◼   ► I think the most pragmatic thing to do,

00:07:37 ◼   ► I was having a lot of problems with my laptop's

00:07:39 ◼   ► installation of Mac OS anyway.

00:07:42 ◼   ► And this is not necessarily Big Sur's fault.

00:07:44 ◼   ► I was having issues under Catalina.

00:07:46 ◼   ► Severe performance problems.

00:07:49 ◼   ► To the point where you kinda can't tell at first,

00:07:52 ◼   ► like is this like a hardware problem?

00:07:55 ◼   ► It's things like every keystroke I would type in mail

00:08:00 ◼   ► would bog down the system.

00:08:02 ◼   ► Or like changing the selection between things

00:08:05 ◼   ► in mail and other apps.

00:08:06 ◼   ► It was just slow.

00:08:08 ◼   ► It would take a while to load every new thing it was doing.

00:08:10 ◼   ► And it was just so much better, it was just slow.

00:08:13 ◼   ► And I would see, sometimes I would see problems

00:08:15 ◼   ► like what people have reported with,

00:08:16 ◼   ► I think it's accounts D.

00:08:18 ◼   ► This is a common issue coming up recently for a lot of people

00:08:20 ◼   ► where like some background demon in Catalina

00:08:23 ◼   ► would just use, and Big Sur,

00:08:25 ◼   ► would just use massive amounts of CPU power

00:08:27 ◼   ► for no apparent reason.

00:08:28 ◼   ► Whether it's like FS events D, or accounts D,

00:08:31 ◼   ► or other various things.

00:08:33 ◼   ► Certainly the, what's the privacy one?

00:08:35 ◼   ► TCC, something like that?

00:08:37 ◼   ► Whatever the privacy one is, that one too.

00:08:39 ◼   ► There were so many weird problems with installations.

00:08:42 ◼   ► I'm like, you know what, I've wanted for a while

00:08:44 ◼   ► to do a clean install on this laptop.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Now that we suddenly are in need of a laptop

00:08:50 ◼   ► that is not running this beta OS,

00:08:53 ◼   ► why don't I just revert it and do a clean install?

00:08:56 ◼   ► So I tackled that during this time,

00:08:59 ◼   ► because we really needed a laptop that was usable

00:09:02 ◼   ► so that Tiff could use it while hers was out for repair,

00:09:04 ◼   ► and that I could have my audio needs satisfied better

00:09:07 ◼   ► and get rid of this massive performance problem.

00:09:10 ◼   ► So going through all that now,

00:09:13 ◼   ► reinstalling all that stuff, and then,

00:09:15 ◼   ► oh, by the way, during this process,

00:09:17 ◼   ► the entire family got a virus.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Not the virus, but a virus.

00:09:22 ◼   ► A real life one, a like, you know,

00:09:23 ◼   ► kind of medium grade cold.

00:09:26 ◼   ► Not only was this not a good time

00:09:28 ◼   ► to lose time machine,

00:09:29 ◼   ► and not only was this not a good time

00:09:33 ◼   ► to need possibly another laptop,

00:09:37 ◼   ► this was especially not a good time to get a cold.

00:09:40 ◼   ► - Oh my word. - This is not

00:09:42 ◼   ► at all a time that you want to have a cold.

00:09:46 ◼   ► So in the middle of all this, we also have to,

00:09:50 ◼   ► like, first of all, freak out about whether this is a virus

00:09:53 ◼   ► or the virus, and then, to get our kid

00:09:56 ◼   ► to be able to go back to school,

00:09:58 ◼   ► we had to all get COVID tests.

00:10:00 ◼   ► So that was fun too. (laughs)

00:10:03 ◼   ► So it's been, negative, by the way,

00:10:06 ◼   ► but it's, whew, it's been a week.

00:10:10 ◼   ► - I have to congratulate you.

00:10:12 ◼   ► I don't know if that's what I'm looking for,

00:10:13 ◼   ► but I admire that you didn't somehow,

00:10:17 ◼   ► like Marco of just a year or two ago,

00:10:19 ◼   ► turn this, or end this story with,

00:10:21 ◼   ► and then I bought a Mac Pro.

00:10:23 ◼   ► Because some way, somehow, Marco of a year or two ago

00:10:25 ◼   ► would have ended this story with,

00:10:27 ◼   ► and then I bought a Mac Pro.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Would it have made sense?

00:10:29 ◼   ► No, but that was the Marco way.

00:10:31 ◼   ► And you didn't do that this time, so I'm very proud of you.

00:10:33 ◼   ► - I mean, I almost bought, like,

00:10:34 ◼   ► seven new laptops in the process.

00:10:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've got the pressure for,

00:10:38 ◼   ► we'll talk about this later when we talk about the Apple app,

00:10:40 ◼   ► but the pressure for a new laptop in this house is building,

00:10:42 ◼   ► and I keep fending them off, I'm like, just, no,

00:10:44 ◼   ► you said it would be the next Apple event.

00:10:45 ◼   ► It's like, no, maybe not this one,

00:10:46 ◼   ► but just, we're not buying another Intel laptop.

00:10:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, yeah, like,

00:10:51 ◼   ► if you really, really, really, really have to find,

00:10:53 ◼   ► and I was telling Titchfield, I'm like,

00:10:55 ◼   ► this is not a great time to need a replacement big laptop,

00:11:00 ◼   ► because the big ones might not be the first ones.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Like, it's my theory, maybe we'll get to this later,

00:11:05 ◼   ► but it's my theory that the Macs that need discrete GPUs

00:11:10 ◼   ► to be competitive in their category might be coming later.

00:11:14 ◼   ► Like, I don't think we're getting the discrete GPU category

00:11:18 ◼   ► of Macs going ARM first.

00:11:21 ◼   ► I think it's way more likely that the things

00:11:23 ◼   ► that go ARM first are Macs that historically

00:11:26 ◼   ► had only integrated GPUs.

00:11:27 ◼   ► So basically, the small laptops,

00:11:29 ◼   ► the cheapest iMac, and the Mac Mini.

00:11:31 ◼   ► But who knows?

00:11:33 ◼   ► - I'm sorry, that's no fun.

00:11:35 ◼   ► Although, I am more than a little bit amused

00:11:39 ◼   ► that the end of the story might involve

00:11:41 ◼   ► you buying a new Synology.

00:11:42 ◼   ► We have some follow-up.

00:11:45 ◼   ► We, largely me, but we, totally missed

00:11:52 ◼   ► on the Facebook versus Apple thing from last week.

00:11:55 ◼   ► So this was-- - Disagree.

00:11:57 ◼   ► - Okay, listeners, all of your angry email,

00:12:01 ◼   ► do not direct to me this time.

00:12:03 ◼   ► John is the one who's saying that we handled it okay.

00:12:05 ◼   ► So what we didn't have in our notes

00:12:09 ◼   ► and what I didn't talk about,

00:12:11 ◼   ► and what I think we should have talked about,

00:12:12 ◼   ► was the fact that the Apple takes 30% of this purchase

00:12:17 ◼   ► that was shown under a button on Facebook.

00:12:19 ◼   ► That was a button where you were paying an individual

00:12:24 ◼   ► or like a small company.

00:12:26 ◼   ► So like, I wanna go take an online fitness course

00:12:29 ◼   ► and so I can purchase access for $9.99

00:12:32 ◼   ► and then Apple takes 30% of this purchase, learn more.

00:12:34 ◼   ► Well, I had thought, reading our show notes

00:12:37 ◼   ► and not having spent enough time reading the article,

00:12:39 ◼   ► apparently, that Facebook was the one losing out on 30%.

00:12:43 ◼   ► And that was not correct.

00:12:46 ◼   ► What was actually happening was the local business

00:12:49 ◼   ► was the one losing out on the 30%

00:12:51 ◼   ► and Facebook was just trying to let you know,

00:12:52 ◼   ► hey, Apple's being a little greedy here.

00:12:55 ◼   ► They're taking 30% of this.

00:12:57 ◼   ► We're not taking anything, they're taking 30%.

00:13:00 ◼   ► And I grossly misunderstood that.

00:13:03 ◼   ► And furthermore, after a bunch of complaining and moaning

00:13:06 ◼   ► from a bunch of people about this very issue,

00:13:08 ◼   ► we missed last week, because this had happened

00:13:11 ◼   ► before we spoke about it,

00:13:12 ◼   ► Apple decided not to take that 30% cut after all,

00:13:14 ◼   ► at least for now.

00:13:16 ◼   ► So we did miss some important context there

00:13:20 ◼   ► and I, for one, am sorry about that.

00:13:22 ◼   ► John, explain why we're not wrong, apparently.

00:13:25 ◼   ► - I mean, you did complain about Facebook

00:13:28 ◼   ► in a few ways that were not fair, but here's the thing.

00:13:30 ◼   ► This is interesting that, remember this issue

00:13:32 ◼   ► where Apple replied about the 30% thing

00:13:34 ◼   ► and their reason was like, it goes against this guideline

00:13:38 ◼   ► that says you can't present the customers

00:13:39 ◼   ► with irrelevant information, right?

00:13:41 ◼   ► I feel like the whole situation

00:13:43 ◼   ► with how much money Facebook were taking

00:13:45 ◼   ► is mostly irrelevant information

00:13:47 ◼   ► in the context of how this item was presented.

00:13:49 ◼   ► Maybe not in the context of you guys are going on

00:13:52 ◼   ► and complaining about how mean Facebook was after that.

00:13:55 ◼   ► But anyway, this item from last week,

00:13:58 ◼   ► this was the point of the item.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Apple is telling Facebook not to tell the truth

00:14:03 ◼   ► about what Apple does, and that's a crappy thing

00:14:06 ◼   ► for Apple to do.

00:14:07 ◼   ► That was the item.

00:14:08 ◼   ► It was, hey, Apple doing something crappy.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Like, why shouldn't Facebook be able to tell the truth?

00:14:12 ◼   ► It's kind of shady, it's kind of crappy, right?

00:14:14 ◼   ► They should be able to stand

00:14:15 ◼   ► behind their business arrangement, it's bad, blah, blah, blah.

00:14:18 ◼   ► That was the story.

00:14:20 ◼   ► You would have thought from the feedback

00:14:22 ◼   ► that the story was Facebook is evil.

00:14:24 ◼   ► It was, no, Apple is the bad guy in the story, unequivocally.

00:14:27 ◼   ► The entire point of the thing was

00:14:29 ◼   ► Apple wouldn't let a developer say that they take 30%,

00:14:32 ◼   ► which was the truth at the time, right?

00:14:34 ◼   ► And isn't that crappy of Apple?

00:14:36 ◼   ► But the Facebook people came out of the woodworks

00:14:38 ◼   ► and say, how dare you be so mean to Facebook?

00:14:40 ◼   ► I'm like, and for the longest time, I'm like, wait, what?

00:14:42 ◼   ► Mean to Facebook?

00:14:44 ◼   ► No, we were telling you that Apple

00:14:45 ◼   ► was the bad guy in this story.

00:14:46 ◼   ► Then I listened back to the show and I heard

00:14:48 ◼   ► that some mean things were said about Facebook later,

00:14:50 ◼   ► which was unfair and we should have clarified

00:14:53 ◼   ► that this was just, that they were,

00:14:58 ◼   ► what Facebook was calling out Apple for was like,

00:15:01 ◼   ► don't blame us, but this is Apple doing this thing,

00:15:03 ◼   ► which is the point we kind of made is like,

00:15:05 ◼   ► look, Facebook's trying to turn sentiment against Apple

00:15:08 ◼   ► to say, look, it's not Facebook doing this mean thing.

00:15:11 ◼   ► Let me tell you exactly in print right underneath the button,

00:15:14 ◼   ► if you're worried that not all this money's

00:15:15 ◼   ► going to this thing, it's Apple's fault,

00:15:17 ◼   ► and which we agreed with, it was Apple's fault,

00:15:19 ◼   ► like that was their requirement or whatever, right?

00:15:21 ◼   ► And so that part of the story was also true,

00:15:23 ◼   ► but it seems like all anyone heard in the story

00:15:25 ◼   ► was Facebook is mean, which I don't understand at all, so.

00:15:28 ◼   ► - Well, anyway, in all fairness,

00:15:30 ◼   ► we were missing some critical context,

00:15:34 ◼   ► but also Facebook is a horrible company.

00:15:36 ◼   ► Both things can be true.

00:15:38 ◼   ► - We can't have another barrage

00:15:41 ◼   ► of that feedback, Marco.

00:15:42 ◼   ► Stop saying mean things about Facebook.

00:15:43 ◼   ► They're innocent.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Yeah, no, I feel like it is irrelevant information.

00:15:46 ◼   ► Like, yes, this was about a live event,

00:15:48 ◼   ► and Facebook wasn't taking any money and giving it all,

00:15:50 ◼   ► and aren't they nice and magnanimous,

00:15:52 ◼   ► and Apple was the meanie,

00:15:53 ◼   ► which lends itself to the point of the story,

00:15:55 ◼   ► which was Apple was being stupid and/or mean, right?

00:15:57 ◼   ► That was the point.

00:15:58 ◼   ► It wasn't, you know, that, hey, Apple's taking this money

00:16:02 ◼   ► and not even letting Facebook explain what's happening, so.

00:16:06 ◼   ► There we go, and yeah, Apple did back down,

00:16:08 ◼   ► although Apple backed down temporarily.

00:16:10 ◼   ► We'll put a link in the show notes to a story about this.

00:16:12 ◼   ► It seems like Apple has not committed

00:16:13 ◼   ► to forever allow this to happen.

00:16:15 ◼   ► Apple is just saying, oh, for now, we won't take the 30%,

00:16:19 ◼   ► but it seems like they reserve the right to later to say,

00:16:21 ◼   ► you know what, we want that 30% again.

00:16:23 ◼   ► - I gotta tell you,

00:16:25 ◼   ► we get a preposterous amount of feedback for the show,

00:16:29 ◼   ► which usually is very good,

00:16:31 ◼   ► and that means people are listening,

00:16:32 ◼   ► people care, and that's wonderful.

00:16:34 ◼   ► But when you read a pile of feedback

00:16:37 ◼   ► and it's defending Facebook.

00:16:40 ◼   ► - No, no, you're digging yourself into gig case.

00:16:43 ◼   ► You remember, everyone's all friendly to Facebook.

00:16:45 ◼   ► They're banning QAnon, they're stopping political ads

00:16:47 ◼   ► after the election, which makes very little sense.

00:16:49 ◼   ► But no, we're only saying nice things about Facebook.

00:16:51 ◼   ► - Speak for yourself.

00:16:52 ◼   ► I agree to nothing.

00:16:54 ◼   ► Facebook is terrible.

00:16:55 ◼   ► - Sorry, sorry, Facebook fans, I tried.

00:16:57 ◼   ► - I didn't.

00:16:58 ◼   ► - All I'm saying is that it was an uncomfortable position

00:16:59 ◼   ► to be in.

00:17:00 ◼   ► I'm not saying I was right, I'm just saying my word.

00:17:02 ◼   ► When everyone's coming to the defense of Facebook,

00:17:05 ◼   ► it makes you wonder what on earth did you do wrong?

00:17:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, I was wondering about it,

00:17:09 ◼   ► because like I said, it was baffling to me.

00:17:11 ◼   ► It was like, when did we say something mean about Facebook

00:17:13 ◼   ► other than the normal sort of baseline level

00:17:15 ◼   ► of our joint hatred of Facebook,

00:17:17 ◼   ► which were, you know, it's unspoken most of the time.

00:17:19 ◼   ► By the way, incidentally, in the last episode,

00:17:21 ◼   ► I recorded a rec diffs.

00:17:22 ◼   ► I also complained about Facebook a lot.

00:17:23 ◼   ► So if you'd love to hear me say mean things about Facebook,

00:17:25 ◼   ► that's another podcast you can listen to.

00:17:28 ◼   ► Anyway, in the context of the story

00:17:30 ◼   ► about how Apple is mean and dumb

00:17:31 ◼   ► for not letting people tell the truth about their cut,

00:17:34 ◼   ► the information about how Facebook was being magnanimous

00:17:37 ◼   ► and letting all the proceeds of this thing

00:17:38 ◼   ► go to the live event thing is irrelevant information,

00:17:40 ◼   ► but it is true, so now we have said it on the program.

00:17:44 ◼   ► And Apple can't stop us.

00:17:45 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:17:46 ◼   ► Jordan Ryan Moore writes to tell us

00:17:48 ◼   ► that merchants have been allowed to add surcharges

00:17:50 ◼   ► for credit card transactions since January of 2013.

00:17:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, this was my fault. - I don't need all

00:17:55 ◼   ► the details in this, but I heard two things

00:17:57 ◼   ► about this from the feedback.

00:17:58 ◼   ► One was this bit about how there was a lawsuit

00:18:00 ◼   ► and people wanted to be able to charge different amounts

00:18:03 ◼   ► and, you know, all that stuff.

00:18:04 ◼   ► And the other thing was that there was actually a law passed

00:18:06 ◼   ► to make it so that credit card companies

00:18:08 ◼   ► weren't allowed to require this,

00:18:09 ◼   ► and I'm not sure if they're both true

00:18:11 ◼   ► or if they both combined or they both did the same thing,

00:18:13 ◼   ► but it seems like that old rule

00:18:17 ◼   ► about not being allowed to charge two different prices

00:18:21 ◼   ► and basically making the vendor eat the cost

00:18:24 ◼   ► of the credit card transaction,

00:18:25 ◼   ► they can't sort of pass it on to their customer,

00:18:27 ◼   ► is no longer in effect.

00:18:28 ◼   ► And the thing I forgot to mention on the last show

00:18:29 ◼   ► about this was that Apple used to do the same thing

00:18:32 ◼   ► back in the day.

00:18:33 ◼   ► I also don't remember the details of this,

00:18:34 ◼   ► but remember a time when Apple said,

00:18:36 ◼   ► oh, you can sell a thing on the web

00:18:38 ◼   ► and also an in-app purchase,

00:18:39 ◼   ► but they have to be the same price?

00:18:41 ◼   ► - That was a very short-lived thing

00:18:43 ◼   ► that everyone talks about,

00:18:45 ◼   ► as though it was a much longer-lived thing.

00:18:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, like they stopped doing it,

00:18:49 ◼   ► probably for the same reason,

00:18:50 ◼   ► that like, you know, people said, well, come on, right?

00:18:53 ◼   ► But we remember it so much because it was so audacious.

00:18:56 ◼   ► It's like, you're gonna charge 30% and then say,

00:19:00 ◼   ► you know, you can't pass that on to the customer

00:19:02 ◼   ► 'cause it puts us at a disadvantage?

00:19:03 ◼   ► Again, it's kind of like telling the truth.

00:19:05 ◼   ► Like, look, Apple is taking a bite out of this.

00:19:07 ◼   ► If you buy it from the web, you can get it cheaper

00:19:09 ◼   ► because Apple's bite isn't there, right?

00:19:11 ◼   ► And that was something that Apple didn't want conveyed.

00:19:14 ◼   ► In the same way, the credit card makers didn't want people,

00:19:16 ◼   ► it's like, oh, if I pay for a credit card, it's 1% more?

00:19:19 ◼   ► Well, I'm gonna pay with cash then, right?

00:19:21 ◼   ► I think the credit card thing lasted a lot longer

00:19:23 ◼   ► than the App Store thing,

00:19:24 ◼   ► but the instinct is the same to try to hide the fact

00:19:28 ◼   ► that you are taking a bite out of somebody's,

00:19:31 ◼   ► you know, income, real-time follow-up

00:19:34 ◼   ► 'cause I don't wanna get email about this.

00:19:35 ◼   ► According to this article that we will link in the show notes

00:19:37 ◼   ► which may be a bit old, 10 states have laws

00:19:39 ◼   ► restricting any type of surcharge fees,

00:19:41 ◼   ► California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Kansas, Maine,

00:19:44 ◼   ► Massachusetts, New York, Oklahoma, and Texas.

00:19:46 ◼   ► So as with anything in these United States,

00:19:49 ◼   ► things tend to vary from state to state,

00:19:52 ◼   ► even things that you might not expect,

00:19:53 ◼   ► like rules about how much you can charge

00:19:55 ◼   ► when someone uses a credit card.

00:19:58 ◼   ► And furthermore, I would love to hear an update

00:20:01 ◼   ► on Adam's watch battery, please.

00:20:03 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah, so I said last week

00:20:05 ◼   ► that after the very first day of school

00:20:07 ◼   ► with Adam's family set up independent watch,

00:20:10 ◼   ► that he only had like 33% battery left.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Second day was way better.

00:20:16 ◼   ► The main difference is on the second day,

00:20:19 ◼   ► so not only is it just like not the first full day of use

00:20:23 ◼   ► so that any kind of like background process

00:20:26 ◼   ► that the system is doing with a new OS install,

00:20:29 ◼   ► like that had time to complete

00:20:30 ◼   ► if that was ever a thing on watchOS,

00:20:32 ◼   ► but also on day two, I changed the watch

00:20:35 ◼   ► from raise to wake to tap to wake only.

00:20:39 ◼   ► So this is like, you know,

00:20:40 ◼   ► so it doesn't just respond to wrist turning

00:20:43 ◼   ► and turn the screen on,

00:20:44 ◼   ► you have to tap the screen to turn it on.

00:20:46 ◼   ► And as a result of that change

00:20:48 ◼   ► and whatever time has passed,

00:20:51 ◼   ► now the typical school day ends around 60 to 70% battery

00:20:55 ◼   ► instead of 30% battery.

00:20:57 ◼   ► And so battery life right now

00:20:59 ◼   ► seems to no longer be a concern.

00:21:02 ◼   ► So, so far, so good.

00:21:04 ◼   ► And we remain very happy with the functionality

00:21:07 ◼   ► of the family set up Apple Watch.

00:21:10 ◼   ► - Moving on, Nathaniel writes

00:21:11 ◼   ► with regard to cell tower trees,

00:21:13 ◼   ► I work in finance for a very large cell phone tower company.

00:21:16 ◼   ► The fake trees are almost always a local zoning rule.

00:21:18 ◼   ► The local government thinks they look better

00:21:20 ◼   ► than past rules mandating their use for any tower.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Those fake branches do break off in the wind,

00:21:25 ◼   ► which requires maintenance.

00:21:26 ◼   ► The fake pine trees are just the tip

00:21:28 ◼   ► of the quote unquote stealth structures.

00:21:30 ◼   ► I've seen palm trees, cacti, flag poles, church steeples,

00:21:32 ◼   ► faux water tanks, street lights, repurposed smoke stacks,

00:21:36 ◼   ► faux modern art installations, et cetera.

00:21:38 ◼   ► You're also correct that the more rich the area,

00:21:42 ◼   ► general speaking--

00:21:42 ◼   ► - Oh, just do it, come on.

00:21:44 ◼   ► - No, I will not.

00:21:46 ◼   ► - You can do it, I believe in you.

00:21:47 ◼   ► You can take multiple runs at it

00:21:49 ◼   ► and Marco will put the right one in during the other.

00:21:50 ◼   ► - No, no, I'm not even gonna do it.

00:21:53 ◼   ► - The less receptive the town is to having cell towers.

00:21:55 ◼   ► The most likely place in those instances

00:21:57 ◼   ► where a town might have a tower is on the DPW's

00:22:00 ◼   ► Department for Public Works, is that right?

00:22:01 ◼   ► - Department of Public Works, yeah.

00:22:02 ◼   ► - Or Police Station Property,

00:22:04 ◼   ► and then the tower company provides space

00:22:05 ◼   ► to the municipal service for their radios.

00:22:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, I love the idea of making fake trees

00:22:10 ◼   ► and then having to pay as the limbs break off

00:22:13 ◼   ► because, you know, first of all,

00:22:14 ◼   ► limbs fall off real trees all the time,

00:22:16 ◼   ► and second of all, real trees are surprisingly sturdy

00:22:19 ◼   ► as compared to manmade ones and surprisingly resilient

00:22:22 ◼   ► when it comes to wind, so it's kind of inevitable

00:22:25 ◼   ► that all these sort of useless cosmetic only things,

00:22:28 ◼   ► like you're basically making a bunch of things

00:22:29 ◼   ► to catch the wind that serve no functional purpose

00:22:32 ◼   ► but absolutely will bend and break off in the wind,

00:22:35 ◼   ► and now you have something else that you need to do,

00:22:36 ◼   ► maintain your hideously ugly tree.

00:22:39 ◼   ► We got a lot, one batch of good feedback we got

00:22:41 ◼   ► from last show was tons of people sending us pictures

00:22:44 ◼   ► of hilarious cell phone trees,

00:22:46 ◼   ► and I did see a couple of cacti in there

00:22:49 ◼   ► and weird palm trees and pine trees

00:22:52 ◼   ► and just you name it, cell towers are everywhere

00:22:55 ◼   ► except near rich people.

00:22:57 ◼   ► - And I'm sorry, if you didn't wanna say rich,

00:23:00 ◼   ► what else could you say?

00:23:01 ◼   ► - Affluent.

00:23:02 ◼   ► - I was just thinking about it,

00:23:03 ◼   ► and I was gonna go the other direction,

00:23:05 ◼   ► so I'm glad I didn't say anything.

00:23:06 ◼   ► - I know, you just need to get that pathway,

00:23:11 ◼   ► you know, it's like an e-fuse.

00:23:13 ◼   ► I've been reading too much about consoles.

00:23:15 ◼   ► You know what an e-fuse is?

00:23:16 ◼   ► - No.

00:23:17 ◼   ► - This kind of blows my mind.

00:23:18 ◼   ► Electronic fuses inside CPUs, right?

00:23:22 ◼   ► It's like a fuse, just like a regular fuse,

00:23:24 ◼   ► but it's inside the CPU and you can blow it at any time

00:23:27 ◼   ► with software essentially,

00:23:28 ◼   ► and then once it's blown, it's blown, right?

00:23:29 ◼   ► - What? - What?

00:23:30 ◼   ► - And when-- - Wait, what?

00:23:32 ◼   ► - I forget which of the Xboxes,

00:23:34 ◼   ► maybe it was the 360, maybe it was the most recent one,

00:23:36 ◼   ► but anyway, they used e-fuses to,

00:23:39 ◼   ► they would blow e-fuses with updates

00:23:41 ◼   ► to prevent you from being able to revert

00:23:43 ◼   ► to a previous version.

00:23:44 ◼   ► - Oh, wow. - What?

00:23:46 ◼   ► - So how many e-fuses are there?

00:23:48 ◼   ► - I don't know how many, but it's like,

00:23:50 ◼   ► that's the pulling out the big guns to try.

00:23:52 ◼   ► And of course, it never actually stops piracy.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Like the pirates are incredibly clever

00:23:56 ◼   ► and they find a way around it, but it just makes it harder.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Sony did not do this apparently, but Microsoft did.

00:24:00 ◼   ► I'm like, man, can you imagine the pressure

00:24:02 ◼   ► of like accidentally bricking or screwing something up

00:24:05 ◼   ► when you know you're literally blowing tiny hardware fuses

00:24:08 ◼   ► inside people's consoles when they update?

00:24:10 ◼   ► It's terrifying.

00:24:11 ◼   ► - I'm also told a real-time follow-up from Jelly

00:24:13 ◼   ► that the Switch also has e-fuses apparently.

00:24:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, try not to think about this type of stuff.

00:24:19 ◼   ► - Man, that's weird.

00:24:20 ◼   ► All right, moving on.

00:24:22 ◼   ► With regard to an Ask ATP question from last week

00:24:25 ◼   ► and baby monitors, I had recommended the Infant Optics DVR

00:24:30 ◼   ► something, something, I forget exactly what it was.

00:24:31 ◼   ► It's in the show notes from last week.

00:24:33 ◼   ► We had a handful of people write in,

00:24:35 ◼   ► including a friend of the show,

00:24:36 ◼   ► Dan Provost from Studio Neat,

00:24:38 ◼   ► recommending the Wirecutter pick,

00:24:40 ◼   ► which is the, I guess, Eufy Space View.

00:24:43 ◼   ► And Dan writes, "I had the same Infant Optics monitor

00:24:45 ◼   ► "as Casey for our first baby,

00:24:46 ◼   ► "but we decided to treat ourselves to a new one

00:24:49 ◼   ► "for our new baby.

00:24:50 ◼   ► "We went with the Wirecutter pick, the Eufy,

00:24:51 ◼   ► "and it is significantly better in every way

00:24:53 ◼   ► "except the kickstand, just in case you are directing

00:24:55 ◼   ► "your parents to a baby monitor.

00:24:57 ◼   ► "They definitely want the Eufy and not the Infant Optics,

00:24:59 ◼   ► "which had a good run but is outdated.

00:25:01 ◼   ► "Also, I fully agree with Marco.

00:25:02 ◼   ► "I would never want an S-style solution,

00:25:04 ◼   ► "even if the quality and latency were flawless,

00:25:06 ◼   ► "just too annoying to be constantly opening an app

00:25:08 ◼   ► "versus having a constant monitor."

00:25:11 ◼   ► So yeah, the Eufy, from what I understand,

00:25:13 ◼   ► is somebody who gave a crap designed a baby monitor.

00:25:16 ◼   ► It is not flawless.

00:25:18 ◼   ► The kickstand, I guess, sucks.

00:25:19 ◼   ► It looks like the Nintendo Switch kickstand,

00:25:20 ◼   ► which definitely sucks.

00:25:22 ◼   ► There's also no lights.

00:25:24 ◼   ► Like, the Infant Optics has a series of LEDs

00:25:26 ◼   ► that will light up, so you can have the monitor screen off.

00:25:29 ◼   ► You can have the volume off.

00:25:30 ◼   ► You can still get a level of how much volume

00:25:33 ◼   ► there is in the room.

00:25:34 ◼   ► The Eufy doesn't have that.

00:25:36 ◼   ► But apparently, in every other way, it's actually modern,

00:25:40 ◼   ► whereas the Infant Optics one is clearly out of the mid-2010s.

00:25:45 ◼   ► And coincidentally, the Eufy Space View came out

00:25:48 ◼   ► like six months after Michaela was born.

00:25:51 ◼   ► And so that's why I was not at all aware of it.

00:25:53 ◼   ► But if you haven't yet bought a monitor,

00:25:55 ◼   ► I've heard and would recommend the Eufy Space View,

00:26:00 ◼   ► because apparently it is very good.

00:26:02 ◼   ► - I feel like these are all tongue twisters.

00:26:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, they really are.

00:26:04 ◼   ► - What Casey was saying was infant, as in a baby infant,

00:26:07 ◼   ► infant optics, right?

00:26:10 ◼   ► So that's the first one, infant optics.

00:26:11 ◼   ► That's infant space optics.

00:26:13 ◼   ► And then Eufy is E-U-F-Y,

00:26:16 ◼   ► which apparently is the smart home sub-brand of Anchor,

00:26:20 ◼   ► someone in the chat room says.

00:26:21 ◼   ► - Oh, I didn't know that.

00:26:22 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah.

00:26:23 ◼   ► - E-U-F-Y, there you go.

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00:28:13 ◼   ► - Is this the time, and I'm asking not sarcastically,

00:28:20 ◼   ► is this the time that we do the report card

00:28:21 ◼   ► year in review thing that Marco came up with

00:28:23 ◼   ► a few years ago, or am I crazy?

00:28:24 ◼   ► - Exit interview, he used to call it.

00:28:26 ◼   ► - That's what it was.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:28:28 ◼   ► I knew report card wasn't right.

00:28:28 ◼   ► I couldn't think of what the name of it was.

00:28:30 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Exit interview.

00:28:31 ◼   ► We're obviously referring to,

00:28:33 ◼   ► there's gonna be an Apple event on this coming Tuesday.

00:28:36 ◼   ► I don't know what day, what is that?

00:28:37 ◼   ► The 13th, lucky number 13.

00:28:39 ◼   ► There'll be an Apple event.

00:28:40 ◼   ► And so this is the last week before our iPhones,

00:28:45 ◼   ► our current iPhones are pieces of utter garbage.

00:28:47 ◼   ► And so now is the time to do the iPhone 11 Pro report card.

00:28:52 ◼   ► John, what--

00:28:54 ◼   ► - Exit interview.

00:28:55 ◼   ► - Sorry, exit interview.

00:28:56 ◼   ► See, we gotta change in the show notes.

00:28:57 ◼   ► I'm like Ron Burgundy, for goodness sakes.

00:29:00 ◼   ► So anyways, so John, what are you on?

00:29:03 ◼   ► Are you on a 10 or an 11 Pro?

00:29:06 ◼   ► - 10S.

00:29:07 ◼   ► My wife has the 11 Pro.

00:29:09 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:29:10 ◼   ► So I am on the 11 Pro.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Marco, you're on an 11 Pro as well, right?

00:29:14 ◼   ► - I sure am.

00:29:15 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:29:16 ◼   ► So I still love this darn phone.

00:29:20 ◼   ► The one major complaint I have about it

00:29:24 ◼   ► is that I feel like,

00:29:26 ◼   ► I think I talked about this on the show,

00:29:27 ◼   ► I feel like this screen has been scratched to smithereens.

00:29:32 ◼   ► And it is probably my fault.

00:29:36 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's not my fault.

00:29:37 ◼   ► But it is scratched so badly in so many places,

00:29:41 ◼   ► so much worse than any other phone I've ever had.

00:29:44 ◼   ► And I treat it the same way I've treated every iPhone

00:29:47 ◼   ► since the 3GS, which was my first.

00:29:50 ◼   ► It is scratched to death.

00:29:53 ◼   ► Marco, do you find the same thing on your phone?

00:29:55 ◼   ► - I actually haven't had that problem on the 11.

00:29:57 ◼   ► I did have that problem on,

00:29:59 ◼   ► I forget whether it was the 10 or the 10S.

00:30:01 ◼   ► One of them was the same problem for me,

00:30:04 ◼   ► where I didn't abuse it anymore or less than any other phone

00:30:07 ◼   ► but it just got scratched to hell for some reason,

00:30:08 ◼   ► like on the screen.

00:30:10 ◼   ► 'Cause it's hard when you're designing the screen materials.

00:30:13 ◼   ► There's a lot of tension between various

00:30:16 ◼   ► physical characteristics to optimize for.

00:30:18 ◼   ► You know, if you optimize for scratch resistance,

00:30:21 ◼   ► that usually it makes it harder and more brittle

00:30:23 ◼   ► and more prone to cracks when people drop it.

00:30:26 ◼   ► And if you're being pragmatic about

00:30:29 ◼   ► how you're designing a phone,

00:30:31 ◼   ► I think you probably want to protect against

00:30:34 ◼   ► shattering when it's dropped

00:30:36 ◼   ► more than you want to protect against

00:30:38 ◼   ► minor scratchability from just the surface

00:30:41 ◼   ► being a little bit soft.

00:30:42 ◼   ► And even though that's worse for people like us

00:30:45 ◼   ► who don't drop our phones, it's much worse for us.

00:30:48 ◼   ► But if you're optimizing for the whole population,

00:30:50 ◼   ► I can see why you would make that decision.

00:30:52 ◼   ► - Sure, yeah.

00:30:53 ◼   ► And otherwise, I really, really love this phone.

00:30:57 ◼   ► I love the camera system.

00:30:59 ◼   ► I still think it looks a little quirky

00:31:02 ◼   ► having the three big lenses back there,

00:31:04 ◼   ► but as with the Notch, like within a couple of weeks,

00:31:07 ◼   ► I mostly have been able to ignore it.

00:31:10 ◼   ► The Notch also, I don't mind it at all.

00:31:13 ◼   ► And in fact, I remember when we were

00:31:16 ◼   ► all about to get our iPhone 10s that I thought,

00:31:18 ◼   ► oh, this is gonna bother me for a long time.

00:31:20 ◼   ► And it didn't.

00:31:20 ◼   ► So the Notch really doesn't bother me.

00:31:22 ◼   ► I do think it would be neat to have

00:31:25 ◼   ► one of the more circular pinhole style setups

00:31:27 ◼   ► like the Android phones have,

00:31:29 ◼   ► but I'm not going to complain if the iPhone 12

00:31:32 ◼   ► or whatever's coming next has a Notch as well.

00:31:34 ◼   ► I don't think it's a big deal.

00:31:36 ◼   ► But the camera system's great.

00:31:38 ◼   ► The phone is still fast.

00:31:40 ◼   ► I don't even know what size mine is,

00:31:42 ◼   ► but I'm not running out of space.

00:31:44 ◼   ► I love this thing with the exception of the

00:31:49 ◼   ► screen getting scratched to smithereens.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And I am really hopeful that the next one,

00:31:56 ◼   ► by the way, mine is a 256 gig model.

00:31:58 ◼   ► I'm really hoping that the next one

00:32:00 ◼   ► does indeed have the square sides like the rumors say,

00:32:03 ◼   ► because I don't mind the curved sides,

00:32:06 ◼   ► and it's not the most slippery phone

00:32:08 ◼   ► I've ever used in my life, but it is slippery.

00:32:11 ◼   ► And I feel like having those solid or straight sides,

00:32:15 ◼   ► flat sides would be extremely nice.

00:32:19 ◼   ► But I'm getting ahead of myself, I suppose.

00:32:21 ◼   ► I really, really love this phone,

00:32:24 ◼   ► and I am definitely getting a new one

00:32:27 ◼   ► because I'm a sucker, but I am not actively looking

00:32:32 ◼   ► to get rid of this one as much as I am actively looking

00:32:35 ◼   ► to get a new screen or a new glass on the screen,

00:32:38 ◼   ► which I could do to this,

00:32:39 ◼   ► but I would be without a phone for a little while.

00:32:41 ◼   ► Marco, other thoughts on the 11 Pro?

00:32:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think I agree with much

00:32:45 ◼   ► of what you've said about it.

00:32:49 ◼   ► One regression of the 11 Pro compared to the 10S,

00:32:52 ◼   ► in my opinion, is they changed the texturing on the back.

00:32:56 ◼   ► Like, the back of these phones have alternated

00:32:58 ◼   ► between almost like a sandblaster kind of textured finish

00:33:02 ◼   ► and a flat polished glass finish.

00:33:05 ◼   ► And on the 11, I believe, this is when they switched it,

00:33:08 ◼   ► used to be that the whole back of it was glossy,

00:33:10 ◼   ► and then the area around the camera cutout was matte.

00:33:14 ◼   ► And with the 11 series, the entire back was matte,

00:33:18 ◼   ► and the camera area was glossy.

00:33:19 ◼   ► What that did for me was make the phone impossible

00:33:23 ◼   ► to use without a case.

00:33:24 ◼   ► Like, the 10 and the 10S, I would occasionally,

00:33:27 ◼   ► like if I was wearing tight jeans, you know,

00:33:30 ◼   ► like my skinny pants, then I wouldn't want the bulk

00:33:35 ◼   ► of a giant case, or any giant phone really,

00:33:38 ◼   ► in my pocket and sort of minimize the bulk,

00:33:40 ◼   ► I would take the phone out of the case for a few days

00:33:43 ◼   ► and use it like that.

00:33:44 ◼   ► And with the 11, I cannot do that.

00:33:46 ◼   ► Like the 11 Pro, excuse me, I think the 11 actually,

00:33:50 ◼   ► the non-Pro I think actually flips it around

00:33:52 ◼   ► and actually fixes this.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Anyway, the Pro, I can't do that.

00:33:55 ◼   ► It's so slippery, I can't use this phone without a case.

00:33:59 ◼   ► And it's the first phone in a long time

00:34:01 ◼   ► that I can say that about.

00:34:03 ◼   ► Like usually, like ever since the 6 series,

00:34:07 ◼   ► I've been using cases just because the stupid,

00:34:08 ◼   ► you know, bar of soap sides design

00:34:11 ◼   ► made case use nearly inevitable.

00:34:14 ◼   ► But I could get by it with previous phones.

00:34:17 ◼   ► This one, I can't.

00:34:18 ◼   ► It's just, it's way too slippery.

00:34:20 ◼   ► So much more slippery than even the XS was.

00:34:23 ◼   ► So besides that, I am overall very satisfied with it,

00:34:28 ◼   ► but I really do wish for a lighter weight

00:34:33 ◼   ► and slightly smaller phone.

00:34:35 ◼   ► I'm very curious about the rumored,

00:34:37 ◼   ► like slightly smaller one, the five point something inch one.

00:34:41 ◼   ► Unless that phone has some kind of major,

00:34:43 ◼   ► like feature cut downsides,

00:34:46 ◼   ► I'll probably go for that this year.

00:34:48 ◼   ► Because this phone is just a little bit big

00:34:51 ◼   ► and a little bit heavy.

00:34:52 ◼   ► That being said, you know, the screen is great.

00:34:55 ◼   ► I love the screen when I'm using it,

00:34:57 ◼   ► you know, when I'm not just carrying it,

00:34:58 ◼   ► when I'm not trying to wedge it into a pocket

00:35:00 ◼   ► or move it around so it's not like all sticking out

00:35:03 ◼   ► weird as I walk.

00:35:04 ◼   ► But I just, I don't like how this phone feels in my pocket.

00:35:09 ◼   ► It's too big still.

00:35:11 ◼   ► It's not like super massive, like the Max,

00:35:14 ◼   ► but it's bigger than I would like.

00:35:16 ◼   ► So I'm really hoping for the smaller one.

00:35:19 ◼   ► I'm also hoping that if a smaller one comes,

00:35:22 ◼   ► that it doesn't sacrifice too much on battery life.

00:35:25 ◼   ► 'Cause historically, part of the trade off

00:35:27 ◼   ► of bigger versus smaller phones,

00:35:30 ◼   ► is that the bigger phones get bigger batteries,

00:35:32 ◼   ► which does make them heavier, you know, admittedly.

00:35:35 ◼   ► But that's usually a pretty good feature of the big ones.

00:35:39 ◼   ► The 11 has such great battery life,

00:35:42 ◼   ► the 11 Pro rather, has such great battery life,

00:35:44 ◼   ► that if the smaller one that comes out allegedly next week

00:35:48 ◼   ► has significantly less battery life in practice,

00:35:51 ◼   ► that's gonna be disappointing.

00:35:52 ◼   ► But I think I'm still gonna probably go for the smaller one

00:35:54 ◼   ► unless like, if the camera's not anywhere near as good.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Now if I just lose the 2X lens,

00:36:01 ◼   ► but I still have like the regular and the wide,

00:36:04 ◼   ► I think I'd probably still take that trade off

00:36:05 ◼   ► and take the small one.

00:36:07 ◼   ► - Really?

00:36:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, I wouldn't have thought this a year ago,

00:36:11 ◼   ► but I actually have been using the wide

00:36:13 ◼   ► more than I've expected to,

00:36:16 ◼   ► and I've been using the 2X less than I expect to.

00:36:19 ◼   ► Maybe if I suddenly lost it,

00:36:21 ◼   ► I would realize I miss it more than I thought.

00:36:24 ◼   ► But I'm looking forward to a smaller phone,

00:36:27 ◼   ► and if it takes the loss of a 2X camera to get that,

00:36:32 ◼   ► and nothing else about it is really significantly worse,

00:36:35 ◼   ► then I will probably take that trade off.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Finally, again I know this is a long shot,

00:36:41 ◼   ► I really still want USB-C.

00:36:43 ◼   ► - Cosine.

00:36:44 ◼   ► - I am so tired of lightning,

00:36:47 ◼   ► because my house is full of wires and they're all different.

00:36:51 ◼   ► And I have to have different chargers and different wires,

00:36:54 ◼   ► and I gotta always know which cable,

00:36:55 ◼   ► just the entire world has moved to USB-C already.

00:36:59 ◼   ► Everything, like every accessory,

00:37:02 ◼   ► like everything is USB-C except the iPhone.

00:37:05 ◼   ► And I know there are reasons,

00:37:10 ◼   ► I will assert that those reasons are overruled

00:37:13 ◼   ► by the incredible benefit we would have

00:37:16 ◼   ► if the iPhone charged with USB-C.

00:37:19 ◼   ► So I really, really hope Apple will eventually do this.

00:37:23 ◼   ► I don't know if it's gonna happen this year,

00:37:27 ◼   ► or next year, or never,

00:37:29 ◼   ► but every single year I'm going to hope for it.

00:37:33 ◼   ► - Now I completely agree with you,

00:37:35 ◼   ► I would love to just simplify my life and go all USB-C.

00:37:39 ◼   ► I also agree with you,

00:37:41 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon if at all.

00:37:43 ◼   ► I think we are way more likely to get a touch ID sensor

00:37:47 ◼   ► on the sleep/wake button or lock button,

00:37:49 ◼   ► whatever it's called, than we are USB-C.

00:37:51 ◼   ► And I'm not particularly confident

00:37:52 ◼   ► about either of those things to be honest,

00:37:54 ◼   ► but I am way more confident about touch ID than I am USB-C.

00:37:58 ◼   ► But I don't know, we'll see what happens.

00:38:00 ◼   ► So John, this is an on year for you, right?

00:38:04 ◼   ► So I presume you're looking to upgrade

00:38:06 ◼   ► to some sort of iPhone 12?

00:38:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, and since my wife has the 11 Pro,

00:38:09 ◼   ► I asked her to come down and bring me her phone

00:38:13 ◼   ► so I can look at it, check the screen for scratches

00:38:15 ◼   ► and stuff to verify Casey's situation.

00:38:18 ◼   ► And because she loves me and cares so much about this show,

00:38:20 ◼   ► she said, "How long do you need it?"

00:38:22 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:24 ◼   ► And I promised her it would only be a short amount of time.

00:38:26 ◼   ► Pokemon Go is a terrible thing, people.

00:38:28 ◼   ► Don't get addicted.

00:38:29 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:30 ◼   ► So I looked at her phone and there are definitely

00:38:32 ◼   ► more scratches than there are in my XS,

00:38:34 ◼   ► but she does not treat her phone like I treat mine.

00:38:37 ◼   ► She just throws it into her purse next to her keys.

00:38:40 ◼   ► She doesn't care, like just, it is,

00:38:43 ◼   ► she does things with her phone.

00:38:44 ◼   ► I don't understand how it's still in one piece, right?

00:38:46 ◼   ► - I mean, to be fair, nobody should treat their phone

00:38:49 ◼   ► the way you treat yours.

00:38:51 ◼   ► - I mean, that's another thing I want to get to.

00:38:53 ◼   ► So you mentioned people who don't drop our phones.

00:38:55 ◼   ► Like I've never broken an iPhone,

00:38:57 ◼   ► which maybe I'm getting lucky

00:38:58 ◼   ► or maybe I just take care of it,

00:39:00 ◼   ► but this phone and many of my other phones

00:39:02 ◼   ► have fallen from a height.

00:39:03 ◼   ► So for example, this phone, within its lifetime,

00:39:06 ◼   ► got knocked off of the mantle over my fireplace

00:39:09 ◼   ► because I was dusting and it was on the mantle, right?

00:39:12 ◼   ► So it's from a mantle, a pretty high fireplace mantle height

00:39:16 ◼   ► onto a hardwood floor, right?

00:39:18 ◼   ► And this is the XS, right?

00:39:19 ◼   ► And it didn't shatter, right?

00:39:20 ◼   ► And it's been knocked off my nightstand

00:39:22 ◼   ► who knows how many times when I'm groggy in the morning

00:39:24 ◼   ► reaching for it and knock it up,

00:39:25 ◼   ► but then it's just falling into carpet,

00:39:26 ◼   ► so it's not a big deal.

00:39:27 ◼   ► Although sometimes it falls into hardwood

00:39:29 ◼   ► depending on which side it falls off.

00:39:31 ◼   ► But the point is this thing has hit the ground.

00:39:32 ◼   ► It's just got the Apple leather case on it.

00:39:34 ◼   ► It's hit the ground from reasonable heights many times

00:39:36 ◼   ► as I either grew up for it or don't notice it's there

00:39:38 ◼   ► and accidentally knock it over, right?

00:39:40 ◼   ► And it hasn't shattered.

00:39:41 ◼   ► And this is the XS, right?

00:39:42 ◼   ► So this is the one with the ostensibly harder,

00:39:46 ◼   ► easier to shatter, but harder to scratch screen.

00:39:49 ◼   ► But anyway, I agree with Marco that I think

00:39:52 ◼   ► the trade-off of not shattering

00:39:53 ◼   ► is the right way to go with this.

00:39:55 ◼   ► So the 11 Pro, my wife does not take good care of it,

00:40:00 ◼   ► but I had to actually clean the screen

00:40:02 ◼   ► to really assess how many scratches there were

00:40:04 ◼   ► without me cleaning the screen off.

00:40:06 ◼   ► It's really hard to tell.

00:40:07 ◼   ► None of my scratches are so big

00:40:08 ◼   ► that I would even have noticed them

00:40:10 ◼   ► if I hadn't been looking for them.

00:40:11 ◼   ► So I don't think that's that big of a deal.

00:40:13 ◼   ► But yeah, this is my year for the phone,

00:40:15 ◼   ► and I haven't been keeping up with the rumors,

00:40:18 ◼   ► mostly because I figure, well, I don't know,

00:40:20 ◼   ► I figured everything would be fine.

00:40:22 ◼   ► I know all the rumors about the different sizes

00:40:24 ◼   ► and all that other stuff,

00:40:25 ◼   ► but the thing I had been wondering,

00:40:27 ◼   ► and I saw the supposed leaked flat-sided case

00:40:31 ◼   ► and everything I asked, but the thing I had been wondering

00:40:32 ◼   ► and I could never keep track of,

00:40:33 ◼   ► which is like, so if the two sizes,

00:40:36 ◼   ► I know there's supposed to be a smaller one,

00:40:38 ◼   ► but not as small as the SE, and then a bigger one,

00:40:41 ◼   ► but my question was always, okay,

00:40:43 ◼   ► but are any of them going to be the same size as my XS,

00:40:48 ◼   ► or what is going to be the one

00:40:50 ◼   ► that is closest in size to my XS, right?

00:40:53 ◼   ► And the reason I asked that is because I felt

00:40:55 ◼   ► like the SE was the right size.

00:40:57 ◼   ► I felt like the X was a little bit too big,

00:41:00 ◼   ► but now that I've had the X size for a while,

00:41:02 ◼   ► I'm like, okay, well, I appreciate the bigger screen,

00:41:05 ◼   ► and the size isn't so big that it really,

00:41:08 ◼   ► that it is too big for me.

00:41:10 ◼   ► So when I buy a new phone next time,

00:41:13 ◼   ► I don't think I want the small one,

00:41:15 ◼   ► because I kind of like having the screen as big as it is.

00:41:17 ◼   ► If it went back to the SE, that might be okay,

00:41:19 ◼   ► but then somebody, I'm assuming Casey,

00:41:21 ◼   ► has put a bunch of the rumored sizes in here,

00:41:23 ◼   ► and it seems like my only choice is

00:41:26 ◼   ► if I want to get the top-of-the-line phone

00:41:28 ◼   ► after the event next week is a phone

00:41:31 ◼   ► that is 3/10 of an inch bigger than my current phone.

00:41:35 ◼   ► - Right, and that's not a small difference.

00:41:37 ◼   ► Like, that puts it, I believe, at the same size

00:41:40 ◼   ► as like the XR line, right, the XR on base 11?

00:41:44 ◼   ► - I think that's right.

00:41:45 ◼   ► I didn't verify that, but I think you're right.

00:41:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so, like, and that's,

00:41:49 ◼   ► and I've handled that.

00:41:50 ◼   ► I've never used one, like, for more than a second in a store,

00:41:52 ◼   ► but like, you know, when I've handled them in the store,

00:41:54 ◼   ► I've had the same feeling of, like, you know, like,

00:41:56 ◼   ► again, like, when I use my 10/10S/11 Pro sized phone,

00:42:01 ◼   ► the 5.8 inch screen with the notch,

00:42:05 ◼   ► I've always thought, like, I can use this,

00:42:08 ◼   ► but I wish it were a little bit smaller.

00:42:11 ◼   ► And so now, the fact that they're going to make it

00:42:13 ◼   ► a little bit bigger, that's what's making me really

00:42:17 ◼   ► hope that that smaller phone is a real thing,

00:42:19 ◼   ► and that it's compelling in all other ways,

00:42:21 ◼   ► because I just am not excited about this phone

00:42:25 ◼   ► that is already a bit big for me getting a bit bigger.

00:42:28 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:42:29 ◼   ► - Oh, and I have an update related to something

00:42:30 ◼   ► just mentioned in the chat room, pouch update.

00:42:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:34 ◼   ► You know about my phone pouch, right?

00:42:35 ◼   ► Well, so here, this is a side effect of COVID, right?

00:42:39 ◼   ► So COVID comes and everyone's in the house all the time,

00:42:41 ◼   ► and I'm never going anywhere, especially in the beginning,

00:42:42 ◼   ► like, really just never leaving the house, right?

00:42:45 ◼   ► And my sort of pattern of placement of stuff of, like,

00:42:49 ◼   ► here's where I keep all my things,

00:42:51 ◼   ► I have, like, my stuff that I go to work with,

00:42:52 ◼   ► and just everything arranged in a particular place,

00:42:54 ◼   ► the stuff that I go to work with eventually

00:42:56 ◼   ► just got put away, because I realized, well,

00:42:57 ◼   ► I'm not going into work anytime soon,

00:42:59 ◼   ► so I'm just gonna put that stuff away.

00:43:01 ◼   ► So the pouch got put away, too, which is fine,

00:43:03 ◼   ► because the pouch, as we know, is only a thing

00:43:05 ◼   ► for when I go out of the house, but if I'm never

00:43:07 ◼   ► going out of the house, I'm never gonna use the pouch.

00:43:09 ◼   ► But eventually, the pouch got put so far away

00:43:12 ◼   ► that when I did go out of the house,

00:43:13 ◼   ► I'd go without the pouch.

00:43:14 ◼   ► I mean, just going on a dog walk or whatever.

00:43:18 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

00:43:19 ◼   ► - But I basically trained myself out of using the pouch

00:43:21 ◼   ► in the external world.

00:43:22 ◼   ► Part of it was because I'm like, well,

00:43:24 ◼   ► I'm gonna be getting rid of this phone soon anyway,

00:43:25 ◼   ► so what do I care, you know what I mean?

00:43:27 ◼   ► Like, although now that I've just examined the screen

00:43:29 ◼   ► after cleaning it, I realize there are still zero scratches

00:43:31 ◼   ► on my XS, so I still think I'm babying it.

00:43:34 ◼   ► Like, I would never put it next to a set of keys,

00:43:36 ◼   ► for example, but I may, we'll see how this goes.

00:43:39 ◼   ► I may be off the pouch lifestyle with my,

00:43:42 ◼   ► with this and my future phones.

00:43:43 ◼   ► It's hard to tell because we're still in COVID times

00:43:45 ◼   ► and I'm still technically not really going anywhere ever.

00:43:48 ◼   ► Right, so we'll see, but I think I may be out of the,

00:43:52 ◼   ► I still have the pouch and it still fits this phone,

00:43:55 ◼   ► but maybe I won't buy a new pouch for my new phone

00:43:57 ◼   ► and may be able to see how that goes.

00:43:58 ◼   ► - Wow. - You know,

00:43:59 ◼   ► since this is a safe space, I can admit to you that after,

00:44:04 ◼   ► I think I noticed a scratch or two

00:44:07 ◼   ► after one of the beach trips that I took with this phone,

00:44:11 ◼   ► and subsequent to that, there was a second beach trip

00:44:14 ◼   ► that I took and I actually employed a pouch

00:44:17 ◼   ► for the purposes of letting it rest in a beach bag

00:44:20 ◼   ► or in a tent or whatever, because I felt like,

00:44:23 ◼   ► I don't, I don't know if I would go so far as to say

00:44:25 ◼   ► I'd baby my phone, but I don't think,

00:44:28 ◼   ► with the exception of having dropped my first 11 Pro

00:44:31 ◼   ► on a cement driveway the day I got it,

00:44:33 ◼   ► after that, after that, I feel like I didn't do too badly

00:44:36 ◼   ► with it and I'm guessing that it was during storage

00:44:40 ◼   ► in a beach bag or something like that

00:44:41 ◼   ► that it ended up getting scratched up,

00:44:43 ◼   ► and so I did employ, just for the purpose of the beach bag,

00:44:47 ◼   ► I did employ a pouch and I don't think it made

00:44:49 ◼   ► any darn difference because I think the damage

00:44:51 ◼   ► had already been done, but here we are.

00:44:53 ◼   ► I was living the pouch lifestyle.

00:44:56 ◼   ► - The pouch was transferred from me to Casey.

00:44:58 ◼   ► - Yeah. (laughing)

00:45:00 ◼   ► I don't know which of you has won there.

00:45:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, me neither.

00:45:03 ◼   ► - Well, one of us has a scratch-free phone, so.

00:45:05 ◼   ► - Aw.

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00:46:41 ◼   ► - Real-time follow-up, the iPhone 11 is 6.1 inches.

00:46:46 ◼   ► The iPhone 11 Pro is either 5.8 inches,

00:46:50 ◼   ► which is what Marco and I are talking about,

00:46:52 ◼   ► or the big one is 6.5 inches.

00:46:55 ◼   ► So it's 5.8 for the 11 Pro, 6.1 for the 11,

00:46:59 ◼   ► 6.5 for the other 11 Pro.

00:47:02 ◼   ► The 12 is rumored, the non-Pro 12 is rumored

00:47:05 ◼   ► to be 5.4 inches, so that's 4/10 smaller

00:47:09 ◼   ► than Marco's phone and my phone.

00:47:11 ◼   ► And the big one is rumored to be 6.1 inches,

00:47:15 ◼   ► which is 3/10 larger than Marco's and my phone.

00:47:19 ◼   ► And then the 12 Pro is going to start at 6.1 inches,

00:47:24 ◼   ► again, 3/10 larger, and go as high as 6.7 inches,

00:47:29 ◼   ► which I already think that the big phones

00:47:32 ◼   ► at 6.5 inches are preposterously large.

00:47:35 ◼   ► So I can't imagine a 6.7 inch phone.

00:47:38 ◼   ► For me, I think I mostly agree with you, Marco.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I would rather go a hint smaller if I could,

00:47:47 ◼   ► but I know myself well enough to know

00:47:49 ◼   ► that I will almost certainly be completely

00:47:52 ◼   ► and utterly unwilling to give up anything.

00:47:54 ◼   ► So like if the non-Pro 12 has only two cameras,

00:47:59 ◼   ► as you were describing, which I think is

00:48:00 ◼   ► a very fair conjecture to make,

00:48:02 ◼   ► I don't think I would do it.

00:48:03 ◼   ► I think I would just suck it up and get a 6.1 inch phone,

00:48:06 ◼   ► which I would really rather not do,

00:48:09 ◼   ► but knowing myself well enough,

00:48:10 ◼   ► I think I would end up doing exactly that.

00:48:12 ◼   ► - I mean, it's not a 6.1 inch phone.

00:48:13 ◼   ► Like, those are diagonal screen measurements,

00:48:15 ◼   ► and the flat sides should shave a lot off, right?

00:48:18 ◼   ► So like, well, what we're really gonna be looking for

00:48:20 ◼   ► once we announce these is go to the Apple site

00:48:22 ◼   ► and find the thing that gives you the outside dimensions,

00:48:24 ◼   ► you know, in millimeters, and then we'll see

00:48:26 ◼   ► how much bigger it actually is than an 11 or a 10S

00:48:29 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:48:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, also a couple other things.

00:48:31 ◼   ► Yeah, like, first of all, that's one of the reasons

00:48:33 ◼   ► why I'm hoping for a like case shape rethinking,

00:48:37 ◼   ► like with the straight sides and everything.

00:48:39 ◼   ► If I can use it without a case,

00:48:42 ◼   ► then that makes it effectively smaller for me.

00:48:45 ◼   ► And so maybe I would then stick with the medium size

00:48:47 ◼   ► if it's something that I could use without a case.

00:48:49 ◼   ► But also, if you're interested in what the smaller size

00:48:51 ◼   ► looks like, a couple of months ago,

00:48:53 ◼   ► MacRumors published images of the rumored sizes

00:48:57 ◼   ► such that you could, like, whatever phone you have,

00:49:02 ◼   ► they have separate downloads, and so you could see,

00:49:04 ◼   ► like, all right, show me what the small phone would look like

00:49:08 ◼   ► if I'm holding a 10S or an 11 or whatever.

00:49:10 ◼   ► And then you can view that image, like at 1X

00:49:13 ◼   ► in your camera roll at full screen,

00:49:15 ◼   ► and it shows you exactly what size that phone would be

00:49:18 ◼   ► on your existing phone.

00:49:20 ◼   ► It's actually a really nice estimation tool,

00:49:22 ◼   ► and so I've actually had that tab open

00:49:24 ◼   ► in my mobile Safari browser for like two months

00:49:27 ◼   ► just so I could occasionally look over and edit

00:49:28 ◼   ► and be like, hmm, I think I do want the smaller size phone.

00:49:31 ◼   ► Like, it is noticeably narrower,

00:49:35 ◼   ► which I think would be the limiting factor.

00:49:37 ◼   ► Like, it is obviously shorter as well.

00:49:40 ◼   ► From top to bottom, it's shorter,

00:49:41 ◼   ► but I don't really care so much about that.

00:49:44 ◼   ► Like, ever since the notch era, the phones are so tall

00:49:48 ◼   ► that I don't necessarily need all that height.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Like, I could spare that pretty easily.

00:49:53 ◼   ► So it would mainly just be giving up width,

00:49:55 ◼   ► which would indeed make it significantly more holdable

00:49:58 ◼   ► and would give you a lot more like touch range,

00:50:01 ◼   ► you know, holding it and touching it.

00:50:03 ◼   ► But my concern with giving up the width would be

00:50:06 ◼   ► when you squeeze the keyboard down,

00:50:09 ◼   ► it's going to be a transition period for keyboard accuracy.

00:50:13 ◼   ► And possibly not a good one. (laughs)

00:50:16 ◼   ► - Well, but let's be honest,

00:50:17 ◼   ► keyboard accuracy hasn't really existed

00:50:19 ◼   ► since ML took over AutoCorrect.

00:50:21 ◼   ► So, I mean, it can only go up.

00:50:23 ◼   ► - They should just do what they do with the laptop keyboards

00:50:26 ◼   ► and just make it so there's one size keyboard

00:50:28 ◼   ► and it's the one that fits on their smallest phone

00:50:29 ◼   ► and use that software keyboard on all the phones.

00:50:32 ◼   ► And they just put dots on the left and the right.

00:50:34 ◼   ► - Oh, god, earlier today I typed in Thursdays

00:50:37 ◼   ► and it put an apostrophe on it.

00:50:39 ◼   ► Thursday apostrophe S.

00:50:41 ◼   ► - Thursday's child is full of woe?

00:50:44 ◼   ► Come on, chat room, what is Thursday's child full of?

00:50:46 ◼   ► - John, why'd he do this?

00:50:47 ◼   ► - I got nothing on that one.

00:50:48 ◼   ► - These two don't know what I'm talking about.

00:50:49 ◼   ► I am relying on a title in the chat room.

00:50:51 ◼   ► We'll have some real time follow up soon

00:50:52 ◼   ► if someone finds the answer.

00:50:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, who puts apostrophes?

00:50:57 ◼   ► I don't want my correct grammar

00:51:00 ◼   ► to be AutoCorrected to be incorrect.

00:51:02 ◼   ► - You know, the thing of it is, it just occurred to me,

00:51:03 ◼   ► I don't know why I just thought of this,

00:51:04 ◼   ► but I know that I can turn off AutoCorrect,

00:51:08 ◼   ► but it is correct enough,

00:51:11 ◼   ► and my fingers are incorrect enough,

00:51:14 ◼   ► that I do want AutoCorrect on,

00:51:16 ◼   ► but oh my word, if there was a way

00:51:19 ◼   ► to turn off the machine learning portions of AutoCorrect,

00:51:23 ◼   ► and maybe I'm misattributing this,

00:51:24 ◼   ► maybe it's not machine learning at all,

00:51:25 ◼   ► maybe something changed in the algorithm,

00:51:27 ◼   ► maybe something is different,

00:51:28 ◼   ► but my feeling, my recollection,

00:51:31 ◼   ► is that AutoCorrect up until two or three years ago

00:51:33 ◼   ► was really, really good,

00:51:35 ◼   ► and then suddenly, two or three years ago,

00:51:37 ◼   ► and everyone assumed it was ML, including me,

00:51:39 ◼   ► maybe we're wrong,

00:51:40 ◼   ► but suddenly something happened where it got real, real bad,

00:51:45 ◼   ► and if I had a switch to just turn off

00:51:47 ◼   ► the ML portions of AutoCorrect,

00:51:49 ◼   ► I would flick the crap out of that switch,

00:51:52 ◼   ► I would turn that on, or I guess off, so fast,

00:51:55 ◼   ► because I really feel like it's the ML that's doing it,

00:51:57 ◼   ► like it's a bunch of idiots typing T-H-U-R-D,

00:52:01 ◼   ► Thursday apostrophe S, I got myself,

00:52:04 ◼   ► see I'm the idiot now, right?

00:52:05 ◼   ► Anyway, the point is,

00:52:06 ◼   ► it's a bunch of idiots typing Thursday apostrophe S

00:52:08 ◼   ► instead of Thursday S,

00:52:09 ◼   ► and then the ML engine picks that up,

00:52:11 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden now we're getting it.

00:52:13 ◼   ► - Right, it's like no,

00:52:14 ◼   ► and I understand,

00:52:16 ◼   ► I am probably benefiting from much of what that ML engine

00:52:20 ◼   ► is adding to the dictionary,

00:52:22 ◼   ► but when it gets it wrong,

00:52:24 ◼   ► it's just like I'm being failed,

00:52:26 ◼   ► like many other things,

00:52:27 ◼   ► I'm being failed by the collective idiocy

00:52:30 ◼   ► of the rest of humanity here,

00:52:31 ◼   ► like I am right, they are wrong,

00:52:34 ◼   ► and they're making my life worse as a result.

00:52:37 ◼   ► - Related, please vote.

00:52:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, please, for the love of God.

00:52:40 ◼   ► - Real time problem on what children are filled with,

00:52:42 ◼   ► Monday's child is fair of face,

00:52:44 ◼   ► Tuesday's child is full of grace,

00:52:46 ◼   ► Wednesday's child is full of woe,

00:52:48 ◼   ► but Thursday's child has far to go.

00:52:51 ◼   ► - What in the crap are you talking about?

00:52:53 ◼   ► - Is this a Destiny thing?

00:52:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, seriously,

00:52:55 ◼   ► is it either Destiny, Church, or some obscure song?

00:52:57 ◼   ► - It is not Destiny or Church.

00:52:59 ◼   ► - I think it's sports.

00:53:00 ◼   ► - No, it's not sports.

00:53:01 ◼   ► - Interesting guesses.

00:53:02 ◼   ► I'll put a screenshot, by the way,

00:53:04 ◼   ► for you two in the Slack.

00:53:06 ◼   ► So like in our,

00:53:07 ◼   ► I don't understand this,

00:53:09 ◼   ► is this a GPU problem,

00:53:11 ◼   ► is this, in our show notes,

00:53:13 ◼   ► we have the picture from the invitation for the Apple event,

00:53:15 ◼   ► which I swear we'll get to in a second or two,

00:53:17 ◼   ► like the invitation that says high comma speed, right,

00:53:21 ◼   ► that one, right?

00:53:22 ◼   ► That's in our Google Doc,

00:53:23 ◼   ► pasted as an image in the Google Doc, right?

00:53:26 ◼   ► So I opened another browser window

00:53:28 ◼   ► to search for the Thursday's child answer,

00:53:30 ◼   ► and I found it,

00:53:31 ◼   ► and would you two please look at the screenshot,

00:53:34 ◼   ► which contains, in the background is my Google Doc window,

00:53:36 ◼   ► and in the foreground is my browser window,

00:53:38 ◼   ► what in the hell is that?

00:53:40 ◼   ► - So in the Google AdSense boxes,

00:53:43 ◼   ► on this unrelated page--

00:53:45 ◼   ► - The two Google AdSense boxes.

00:53:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, on two Google AdSense medium rectangle units,

00:53:49 ◼   ► on the right sidebar of this page,

00:53:52 ◼   ► it's showing the high comma speed Apple invitation image,

00:53:57 ◼   ► with a little Google Ad choices X and forward arrow

00:54:00 ◼   ► on the upper right corner.

00:54:02 ◼   ► I guess instead of an ad, or--

00:54:04 ◼   ► - I know.

00:54:04 ◼   ► - Is this an ad, what happened to you?

00:54:05 ◼   ► - Is it because I opened the email,

00:54:07 ◼   ► and there was a tiny one pixel image tracker that Apple,

00:54:10 ◼   ► 'cause I didn't go to the Apple's website.

00:54:12 ◼   ► Yes, I did copy and paste the image out of Gmail,

00:54:14 ◼   ► but now when I go to a random webpage,

00:54:16 ◼   ► I see two copies of the high speed Apple event ad.

00:54:20 ◼   ► - What happens if you click on it?

00:54:22 ◼   ► Does it go to that ad, or does it go to something else?

00:54:24 ◼   ► - All right, so I'll click on it.

00:54:26 ◼   ► It goes to apple.com/appleevents,

00:54:29 ◼   ► question mark, gigantic tracking crap.

00:54:32 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, so it's not a GPU bug,

00:54:35 ◼   ► it's just incredibly creepy ad tracking,

00:54:37 ◼   ► and your Google owned browser

00:54:38 ◼   ► with your Google owned spreadsheet thing.

00:54:40 ◼   ► - Oh, if I scroll down more,

00:54:42 ◼   ► if I scroll down farther,

00:54:43 ◼   ► there's a third Google ad containing, you guessed it.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Same exact question.

00:54:48 ◼   ► It's unbelievable.

00:54:51 ◼   ► - I wanna know what code it is

00:54:52 ◼   ► you're writing in the background there, sir.

00:54:54 ◼   ► - What code?

00:54:55 ◼   ► That's not code, what is that?

00:54:56 ◼   ► That is, this is using dispatch work item

00:55:00 ◼   ► to delay or cancel tasks.

00:55:02 ◼   ► An article by Nathan Rolick,

00:55:05 ◼   ► which will now be in the show notes.

00:55:07 ◼   ► Thank you, thank you Casey, for spying on my computer.

00:55:11 ◼   ► - You're welcome.

00:55:12 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:55:13 ◼   ► - All right, so let's move on to the event.

00:55:15 ◼   ► It's going to be this upcoming Tuesday.

00:55:18 ◼   ► Obviously, and we are expecting iPhones,

00:55:22 ◼   ► before we talk anymore about a potential iPhone 12,

00:55:25 ◼   ► are we expecting anything else?

00:55:27 ◼   ► I know both of you are begging for laptops,

00:55:29 ◼   ► but well actually I guess now might be a good time for Jon

00:55:33 ◼   ► for you to explore why it is

00:55:34 ◼   ► you want a laptop so desperately.

00:55:36 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, that's just simple.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Like we need another one for the kids,

00:55:38 ◼   ► they're all doing like remote schooling stuff.

00:55:41 ◼   ► And we just have one laptop

00:55:43 ◼   ► and then we have one desktop computer

00:55:45 ◼   ► and I like to work in the room with the desktop computer,

00:55:47 ◼   ► but the kids don't like me to be in the room

00:55:48 ◼   ► when they're working,

00:55:49 ◼   ► plus I have to be on calls all day too.

00:55:50 ◼   ► So anyway, as soon as we get a laptop,

00:55:53 ◼   ► I can kick the kids back out of my room

00:55:55 ◼   ► and then they can be in their individual rooms

00:55:56 ◼   ► with their individual laptops

00:55:57 ◼   ► and I can get to be in front of my computer again.

00:56:00 ◼   ► I mean, I'm working on my laptop too,

00:56:02 ◼   ► but I also like to be at my computer desk

00:56:03 ◼   ► with my real computer there.

00:56:05 ◼   ► Anyway, so that's why I needed a laptop.

00:56:07 ◼   ► It seems like, I haven't been really keeping up

00:56:09 ◼   ► with the rumors here

00:56:10 ◼   ► because there are many other things going on in the world

00:56:12 ◼   ► that are distracting me and every other sane person,

00:56:15 ◼   ► but it seems like we're not getting Macs in this event.

00:56:18 ◼   ► And every time, like I said, every time an event comes

00:56:21 ◼   ► and my house goes, "Can we get a laptop now?"

00:56:24 ◼   ► I'm like, "Oh, seems like maybe not this time."

00:56:26 ◼   ► But there's gonna be another Apple event

00:56:27 ◼   ► before the end of the year

00:56:28 ◼   ► and then they'll announce the first ARM Mac,

00:56:30 ◼   ► which will probably be a laptop, but we're not sure.

00:56:32 ◼   ► But anyway, probably like before the end of the year.

00:56:35 ◼   ► So that is the, I don't even care about the new phone.

00:56:39 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:56:39 ◼   ► I do want a new phone,

00:56:41 ◼   ► but the thing that I want before the end of this year

00:56:44 ◼   ► is an ARM Mac that is a laptop.

00:56:47 ◼   ► And it seems like, according to the rumors,

00:56:49 ◼   ► that's not gonna happen at this event.

00:56:50 ◼   ► Obviously there will be iPhones.

00:56:52 ◼   ► The other rumor that I vaguely believe

00:56:54 ◼   ► is about the headphone situation,

00:56:56 ◼   ► because as we'll link in the show note,

00:56:57 ◼   ► apparently Apple has stopped selling speakers

00:57:02 ◼   ► and earphones ahead of the event, like a third-party one.

00:57:06 ◼   ► So anything that's not by Apple or Beats, right?

00:57:09 ◼   ► Not being sold in Apple stores anymore.

00:57:11 ◼   ► Does that mean an Apple over-ear headphone is coming?

00:57:14 ◼   ► Does that mean there's gonna be a new, cheaper HomePod?

00:57:16 ◼   ► Does that have anything to do with this event?

00:57:18 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe, but it seems like, again,

00:57:20 ◼   ► if the vague rumors that I've looked at are to be believed,

00:57:23 ◼   ► both of those things are more likely than an ARM Mac,

00:57:27 ◼   ► and that's really all I care about.

00:57:29 ◼   ► - During this iPhone discussion,

00:57:32 ◼   ► I pulled my phone out of its case,

00:57:34 ◼   ► to look at it and everything,

00:57:36 ◼   ► and it's been sitting here since then,

00:57:38 ◼   ► like just out of its case,

00:57:39 ◼   ► and it looks like, you ever had a hermit crab growing?

00:57:43 ◼   ► - I'm aware of what they are, but I've never had one.

00:57:44 ◼   ► - It looks like when your hermit crab is changing shells,

00:57:47 ◼   ► and it leaves its first shell,

00:57:49 ◼   ► and it just walks around naked for a second

00:57:51 ◼   ► until it finds the second shell it's gonna go into,

00:57:54 ◼   ► and when you see your hermit crab naked,

00:57:56 ◼   ► it's the weirdest thing ever,

00:57:57 ◼   ► 'cause you're really not supposed to see it that way.

00:57:59 ◼   ► That's how it feels looking at an iPhone

00:58:01 ◼   ► without a case right now.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Like, I see my iPhone 11 Pro sitting there without a case,

00:58:06 ◼   ► and it's like, ew, where's the rest of you?

00:58:07 ◼   ► Put some clothes on.

00:58:09 ◼   ► Wow.

00:58:10 ◼   ► Anyway, so.

00:58:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:58:13 ◼   ► I think you're probably right, Jon.

00:58:16 ◼   ► It does feel like we haven't heard enough rumors

00:58:20 ◼   ► about our Macs being imminent

00:58:23 ◼   ► for them to be at this event in all likelihood,

00:58:25 ◼   ► but I kinda hope they are anyway.

00:58:28 ◼   ► Like, Apple has been significantly better at secrecy

00:58:33 ◼   ► in the last couple years than they were before,

00:58:35 ◼   ► so they actually might have all this stuff ready,

00:58:38 ◼   ► and we just don't know about it yet.

00:58:39 ◼   ► - When I first saw this ad, like the event invitation,

00:58:42 ◼   ► before I'd read anything about it,

00:58:44 ◼   ► when I just saw it in my email box,

00:58:45 ◼   ► which usually this doesn't happen.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Usually I see about it on Twitter before I get the email,

00:58:48 ◼   ► but this time I actually got the email

00:58:49 ◼   ► before I had read anything about it,

00:58:50 ◼   ► and I was excited because it said hi, comma, speed, right?

00:58:53 ◼   ► I'm like, yeah, this makes perfect sense, Apple,

00:58:56 ◼   ► because now you're finally gonna reveal

00:58:58 ◼   ► all the specs of the A14,

00:58:59 ◼   ► which you kinda tried to hide at the, you know,

00:59:01 ◼   ► with the iPad, the previous iPad event,

00:59:04 ◼   ► and of course you're gonna have the R Max,

00:59:06 ◼   ► and they're gonna be super fast,

00:59:07 ◼   ► and then I read the rumors,

00:59:08 ◼   ► and it was like, no, don't get your hopes up for Max.

00:59:10 ◼   ► I'm like, but it's perfect, high speed,

00:59:11 ◼   ► it's all the fast things,

00:59:12 ◼   ► and yes, the phones will be faster,

00:59:14 ◼   ► and yes, this will be the A14's real coming out

00:59:16 ◼   ► in terms of performance,

00:59:17 ◼   ► but honestly, the real demonstration of high speed things

00:59:21 ◼   ► is gonna be the R Max, right?

00:59:23 ◼   ► Because they're gonna be so much faster

00:59:24 ◼   ► than the Intel chips.

00:59:25 ◼   ► Isn't that what the speed is about?

00:59:26 ◼   ► It just seems like such a waste of a speed-related tease

00:59:30 ◼   ► to only be talking about phones,

00:59:32 ◼   ► which I feel like phones in general

00:59:34 ◼   ► are a place where, you know,

00:59:35 ◼   ► we love that iPhones are fast and everything,

00:59:38 ◼   ► but we're at the point now

00:59:40 ◼   ► where I don't think people are like,

00:59:41 ◼   ► oh my God, my phone is so slow,

00:59:43 ◼   ► if you have any kind of recent iPhone.

00:59:45 ◼   ► I'm not saying there's no point in more speed,

00:59:46 ◼   ► there absolutely is,

00:59:47 ◼   ► but phones have always been, Apple's phones,

00:59:51 ◼   ► Apple's top of the line phones have always been fast.

00:59:53 ◼   ► We are spoiled by fast phones, we expect it,

00:59:55 ◼   ► and so if you're gonna brag about speed,

00:59:57 ◼   ► brag about it on the platform

00:59:58 ◼   ► that has had some speed challenges, let's say,

01:00:01 ◼   ► over the last several years due to Intel.

01:00:04 ◼   ► - But all the rumors say no, right?

01:00:07 ◼   ► - Well, but the rumors could also be,

01:00:09 ◼   ► I mean, first of all, they could just be wrong.

01:00:11 ◼   ► We've heard many rumors about this fall

01:00:13 ◼   ► that have been wrong so far.

01:00:16 ◼   ► - I mean, AirTags have been rumored for every event

01:00:18 ◼   ► for like two years now.

01:00:19 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:00:20 ◼   ► - Do we already have,

01:00:21 ◼   ► sometimes I forget if we already have AirTags.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Do we already have, oh, they didn't actually ship them,

01:00:25 ◼   ► they didn't actually even announce them.

01:00:26 ◼   ► It's just a thing that everyone knows that exists

01:00:28 ◼   ► and just has never released.

01:00:30 ◼   ► - Right, exactly.

01:00:32 ◼   ► So yeah, who knows what, you know,

01:00:34 ◼   ► when the rumors say this thing is not coming yet,

01:00:37 ◼   ► it's really hard to put a lot of faith into that.

01:00:40 ◼   ► That being said, the rumors could also be hearing things

01:00:45 ◼   ► about supply and delivery timelines

01:00:48 ◼   ► that might be different from announcement timelines.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Apple could announce our max, you know,

01:00:54 ◼   ► at this event next week,

01:00:55 ◼   ► and maybe not ship them until November.

01:00:57 ◼   ► They could totally say, here's the first two or three max

01:01:01 ◼   ► that use Apple Silicon, whatever you're gonna call it,

01:01:04 ◼   ► they can show them off, they can get us all excited,

01:01:06 ◼   ► and then they can say, shipping next month.

01:01:09 ◼   ► That's totally a thing they could do if they want to.

01:01:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, to be clear, that's all I need.

01:01:13 ◼   ► That's all I need to get the pressure off me

01:01:14 ◼   ► in this household to say, this is, they announced it,

01:01:17 ◼   ► and ideally we can place an order for it.

01:01:19 ◼   ► And if it doesn't ship until next year,

01:01:21 ◼   ► say like, well, we already ordered it,

01:01:23 ◼   ► it's on its way in December, but you know,

01:01:25 ◼   ► I just need it to exist so I can point to it and say,

01:01:27 ◼   ► we're getting that, that'll be fine.

01:01:30 ◼   ► - Exactly, so they could do our max at this event,

01:01:34 ◼   ► and just not have them shipping yet.

01:01:37 ◼   ► You know, there is some question about like,

01:01:40 ◼   ► how many events are they going to do in one fall?

01:01:42 ◼   ► Historically, I believe that's been capped at about two.

01:01:46 ◼   ► This would be the second one.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Are they really gonna have a third one in another month?

01:01:52 ◼   ► Maybe, they could, you know,

01:01:54 ◼   ► these are just like online streams,

01:01:57 ◼   ► so they're kind of like fancier press release

01:02:00 ◼   ► product releases, so in a way,

01:02:03 ◼   ► they could do as many of these as they want to.

01:02:05 ◼   ► There's some value in like,

01:02:08 ◼   ► conserving or diluting press attention in certain ways,

01:02:12 ◼   ► so they wouldn't want to do tons of them,

01:02:15 ◼   ► or only one for the entire season.

01:02:17 ◼   ► - They should do the Netflix approach,

01:02:19 ◼   ► where they dump the whole season at once.

01:02:20 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:02:21 ◼   ► They prerecorded all these in June,

01:02:23 ◼   ► and they're just sitting there,

01:02:24 ◼   ► and they're releasing them one by one.

01:02:25 ◼   ► It's like, oh, just dump the whole season at once.

01:02:27 ◼   ► - Just a little binge, right?

01:02:28 ◼   ► Here's all the announcements for the rest of the year,

01:02:30 ◼   ► and we're going on vacation.

01:02:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

01:02:32 ◼   ► So, you know, we'll see what it actually is,

01:02:36 ◼   ► but I'm thinking, I wouldn't rule out

01:02:39 ◼   ► the other products besides iPhones,

01:02:40 ◼   ► like, 'cause otherwise, you know,

01:02:42 ◼   ► look at like what's expected, what's left.

01:02:44 ◼   ► It's basically iPhones and our Macs as like,

01:02:50 ◼   ► the definite things that we know

01:02:51 ◼   ► are gonna happen this fall,

01:02:52 ◼   ► 'cause they've told us, basically,

01:02:55 ◼   ► and then the likely maybe column

01:02:59 ◼   ► includes things like the audio products,

01:03:02 ◼   ► which again, I think that story

01:03:04 ◼   ► about them being dropped out of Apple's retail stores,

01:03:07 ◼   ► that's a pretty strong indicator

01:03:09 ◼   ► that more Apple audio products are likely to arrive

01:03:13 ◼   ► in the very short term, so like,

01:03:15 ◼   ► that's probably a real thing.

01:03:18 ◼   ► So very likely in the near future,

01:03:20 ◼   ► we're gonna have, you know, the Apple over-ear headphones,

01:03:25 ◼   ► the second HomePod, the HomePod mini,

01:03:26 ◼   ► whatever that's gonna be.

01:03:28 ◼   ► It is, by the way, it's interesting

01:03:30 ◼   ► that they've dropped all that stuff out of their stores,

01:03:32 ◼   ► because the amount of the real estate of Apple stores

01:03:36 ◼   ► taken up by those like 300 to $500, you know,

01:03:41 ◼   ► Bang & Olufsen speakers and all the weird like,

01:03:44 ◼   ► 300-ish dollar, you know, Master and Dynamic,

01:03:48 ◼   ► hipster-styled, super expensive headphones,

01:03:51 ◼   ► those have historically been

01:03:52 ◼   ► a pretty significant part of the store,

01:03:55 ◼   ► with lots of the real estate,

01:03:57 ◼   ► lots of people usually at them

01:03:58 ◼   ► using all the broken iPod touches

01:04:00 ◼   ► to try to get music to come out of them.

01:04:02 ◼   ► Like, so to eliminate those is actually pretty significant,

01:04:05 ◼   ► and Apple won't for a while, if ever,

01:04:09 ◼   ► have enough audio products themselves

01:04:13 ◼   ► to fill up that, the space that that was usually given

01:04:16 ◼   ► in the stores, so it's actually interesting to think like,

01:04:19 ◼   ► is there anything more to that?

01:04:20 ◼   ► Like maybe people just stopped buying them

01:04:23 ◼   ► because AirPods killed so much of that business,

01:04:26 ◼   ► like it's possible like, maybe people just weren't buying,

01:04:29 ◼   ► I mean, you know, the move from wired to Bluetooth

01:04:32 ◼   ► was a pretty big damaging factor

01:04:34 ◼   ► for a lot of those headphones,

01:04:35 ◼   ► but you know, they switched to Bluetooth models

01:04:37 ◼   ► and everything, but still like,

01:04:37 ◼   ► a lot of those headphones probably aren't being bought anymore

01:04:42 ◼   ► because AirPods are so good,

01:04:43 ◼   ► so I wonder if that has something to do with it as well,

01:04:46 ◼   ► and maybe Apple is having to downsize that entire category

01:04:50 ◼   ► because like, maybe no one's buying

01:04:53 ◼   ► a lot of premium headphones anymore,

01:04:55 ◼   ► and on the speaker side, I think a lot of that market,

01:05:01 ◼   ► a lot of the like, you know, nice home speaker

01:05:03 ◼   ► for your phone to play music to market,

01:05:07 ◼   ► I think a lot of that's been lost to voice cylinders,

01:05:09 ◼   ► and if people aren't buying the HomePod,

01:05:12 ◼   ► they're probably buying Echos and stuff,

01:05:14 ◼   ► and that probably takes away a lot of the market

01:05:17 ◼   ► for the like, high-end, you know, leather wrapped,

01:05:20 ◼   ► B&O, $500 blimp thing, you know, but anyway.

01:05:25 ◼   ► So, I think the high-speed thing on the invitation,

01:05:30 ◼   ► the speculation that it's probably about 5G iPhones,

01:05:35 ◼   ► it's plausible, I don't give a crap about 5G,

01:05:40 ◼   ► and I don't think Apple would push it that hard,

01:05:45 ◼   ► like as a thing, 'cause I don't think it's that good yet, but--

01:05:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a benefit that they aren't in control of.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Like yes, they will have 5G, and yes, 5G can be much,

01:05:54 ◼   ► much faster, but if they sell the phone based

01:05:56 ◼   ► on that benefit, and you get the phone,

01:05:58 ◼   ► and you be like, it doesn't seem any faster than me,

01:06:00 ◼   ► it's like, oh well, probably because 5G is not either

01:06:03 ◼   ► penetrated in your area, or the fast version of 5G

01:06:07 ◼   ► isn't near you, or you don't realize to get

01:06:09 ◼   ► the super high speeds you really need to be really close

01:06:11 ◼   ► to one of those millimeter wave things,

01:06:12 ◼   ► like, it seems like a weird benefit to sell.

01:06:15 ◼   ► Now, to compare, we can say, well, how did Apple sell LTE?

01:06:18 ◼   ► Like when their phones went LTE?

01:06:20 ◼   ► I think they did make kind of a big deal about that,

01:06:23 ◼   ► but they were so late to that, and LTE had much

01:06:26 ◼   ► better penetration than 5G, so I mean, right or wrong,

01:06:29 ◼   ► when I saw high speed, like I said, I thought of ARM Max,

01:06:32 ◼   ► but I also saw the A14, which is very fast,

01:06:35 ◼   ► and was introduced already on the iPad,

01:06:37 ◼   ► but in a very vague kind of way, so I can imagine,

01:06:40 ◼   ► like the reason I thought this would be a combination event,

01:06:43 ◼   ► and one thing we didn't mention is like a revamped Apple TV

01:06:45 ◼   ► with an A14 in it, is that if you release ARM Max,

01:06:49 ◼   ► the new phones, and an Apple TV, and they all have some variant

01:06:53 ◼   ► of the new A14 cores, if not the specific A14 chips

01:06:57 ◼   ► inside them, that's a great place for you to just bask

01:07:00 ◼   ► in benchmarks and be like, look at all this fast stuff

01:07:03 ◼   ► we're giving you.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Apple TV is way faster than it was,

01:07:05 ◼   ► it's faster than a PlayStation 4, and the new ARM Mac

01:07:08 ◼   ► is amazing, and it's super duper fast,

01:07:10 ◼   ► and our phones, of course, are fast too,

01:07:11 ◼   ► and it's all based on Apple Silicon, and blah, blah, blah,

01:07:14 ◼   ► but it just seems like that's not the event

01:07:16 ◼   ► that they're planning according to the rumors.

01:07:18 ◼   ► - Well, it also seems like the A14 is not that much faster

01:07:21 ◼   ► than the A13, the initial benchmarks from the iPad Air

01:07:24 ◼   ► that are kind of slowly trickling out,

01:07:27 ◼   ► they show that it's fast, it's great in absolute terms,

01:07:31 ◼   ► but as a year over year upgrade to the A13,

01:07:34 ◼   ► it's not that crazy of an upgrade.

01:07:36 ◼   ► - I think it's just because we're spoiled

01:07:38 ◼   ► by the previous ones, wasn't it like 20% or something faster?

01:07:41 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Like single core performance,

01:07:43 ◼   ► like Intel is likely to eke out a couple of percentage

01:07:46 ◼   ► every few years. - That's true.

01:07:47 ◼   ► - And like we're gonna say, oh, it's only like 15 or 20%

01:07:51 ◼   ► faster in single core, like the A14,

01:07:53 ◼   ► if those leaked benchmarks are to be leaked, is a beast.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Like it is faster in single core performance

01:07:57 ◼   ► than any Mac Apple sells currently, right?

01:08:00 ◼   ► If those benchmarks, and that's their phone thing.

01:08:02 ◼   ► - But by Apple's standards for the A chips,

01:08:05 ◼   ► like the year over year upgrade from the A13 to the A14,

01:08:09 ◼   ► is, it's nice, it's welcome, but it's not something

01:08:13 ◼   ► you'd base an event around, right?

01:08:14 ◼   ► So that's why I think there must be something more to it.

01:08:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, how can you brag about speed, again, on phones,

01:08:20 ◼   ► because the phones are already so fast.

01:08:21 ◼   ► - Exactly. - Like, I mean, I guess,

01:08:24 ◼   ► what I just said is a thing that Apple could say,

01:08:26 ◼   ► but I think they won't.

01:08:27 ◼   ► Like, at various times Apple could have said,

01:08:30 ◼   ► you know the single core performance of our phones

01:08:33 ◼   ► is better than X amount of our Macs.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Now they can say it's better than all of our Macs,

01:08:37 ◼   ► but you really don't wanna slam your Macs by saying that.

01:08:41 ◼   ► Like, the real thing that they could brag about speed,

01:08:44 ◼   ► though, is GPU stuff, right?

01:08:45 ◼   ► Because GPUs are easy to make faster

01:08:47 ◼   ► by just adding more area.

01:08:48 ◼   ► And once you're putting an Apple Silicon chip

01:08:51 ◼   ► in a thing with a fan, suddenly you have the capacity

01:08:55 ◼   ► to just shove those GPU cores in there

01:08:58 ◼   ► and to get a chip that is just a monster,

01:09:00 ◼   ► that again is like PlayStation 4 caliber power

01:09:05 ◼   ► in a thing with a quote-unquote integrated GPU, right?

01:09:10 ◼   ► You know, the benchmarks were showing that essentially the,

01:09:14 ◼   ► I think this was just the A14 that's in the iPad,

01:09:17 ◼   ► which is a fanless enclosure, right?

01:09:19 ◼   ► With very strict temperature

01:09:21 ◼   ► and battery life constraints, right?

01:09:24 ◼   ► That chip, apparently, its GPU power is about equivalent

01:09:27 ◼   ► to the base discrete GPU in a MacBook Pro.

01:09:30 ◼   ► So imagine you take that chip and you give it a fan

01:09:35 ◼   ► and put it in a case with a fan,

01:09:36 ◼   ► your integrated GPU could be fast enough to compete

01:09:41 ◼   ► with many of the discrete GPUs

01:09:43 ◼   ► that are offered in Macs today, right?

01:09:44 ◼   ► So I am very bullish, is that the right word?

01:09:47 ◼   ► I was getting confused.

01:09:48 ◼   ► I am very bullish on the performance of ARM-based Macs.

01:09:53 ◼   ► But for the phones and the iPads, like you said,

01:09:55 ◼   ► it's like, well, they've always been fast

01:09:56 ◼   ► and then now they get faster again, fine,

01:09:58 ◼   ► but like, I just, we're reading too much

01:10:02 ◼   ► into the high-speed thing.

01:10:03 ◼   ► Like, they're gonna introduce things that are faster

01:10:04 ◼   ► and that is all the excuses they need.

01:10:06 ◼   ► I just, I have stars in my eyes

01:10:09 ◼   ► about the potential of ARM-based Macs

01:10:11 ◼   ► and even the potential of a really fast ARM-based Apple TV

01:10:15 ◼   ► to be, if not a good platform for games

01:10:17 ◼   ► due to software mismanagement and so on and so forth,

01:10:20 ◼   ► at least be extremely capable hardware

01:10:23 ◼   ► attached to my television that could potentially

01:10:25 ◼   ► play really good games were they ever to be released.

01:10:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I just, I can't see them having an invitation

01:10:32 ◼   ► that says high-speed at an event where

01:10:37 ◼   ► the most likely headliner is the phone.

01:10:40 ◼   ► I don't know how they would, like,

01:10:43 ◼   ► unless they're believing in 5G way more than we are.

01:10:46 ◼   ► - I mean, that's all it takes, is 5G is faster.

01:10:50 ◼   ► There you go.

01:10:51 ◼   ► Like, again, I think we're reading too much into the title.

01:10:54 ◼   ► - Agreed, but like, but the title matters a little bit

01:10:56 ◼   ► and like, you know, I don't know why they would call it this

01:11:00 ◼   ► if it was anything about the iPhone

01:11:01 ◼   ► because the iPhone, yeah, it's gonna get faster,

01:11:03 ◼   ► but it's gonna get faster mostly in ways nobody cares about

01:11:06 ◼   ► and not like, massively so.

01:11:09 ◼   ► Whereas the transition to ARM Max

01:11:12 ◼   ► will probably make Max way faster.

01:11:15 ◼   ► And so to have this event named high-speed

01:11:18 ◼   ► in the fall of 2020 when they've said

01:11:20 ◼   ► this is when the first ARM Max will come out,

01:11:23 ◼   ► how can this event not contain the first ARM Max?

01:11:26 ◼   ► Of course it's gonna contain them.

01:11:27 ◼   ► - They said before the end of the year.

01:11:30 ◼   ► - Agreed, yes.

01:11:30 ◼   ► Anyway, Apple, we've decided you have to ship ARM Max.

01:11:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:11:35 ◼   ► - I gotta tell you, I would love to see a new Apple TV.

01:11:37 ◼   ► And I think I've mentioned this a couple times recently,

01:11:40 ◼   ► but you know, we have this almost a year old

01:11:42 ◼   ► 4K LG TV downstairs,

01:11:44 ◼   ► and I'm still running a 1080 Apple TV on it

01:11:47 ◼   ► because when we bought this a year ago, I thought,

01:11:50 ◼   ► oh, surely there's gonna be a new Apple TV in 2019.

01:11:53 ◼   ► Why wouldn't there be?

01:11:55 ◼   ► And obviously there wasn't.

01:11:56 ◼   ► And so surely there'll be a new Apple TV in 2020.

01:11:59 ◼   ► Why wouldn't there be?

01:12:00 ◼   ► I am ready to get a new Apple TV,

01:12:03 ◼   ► and I would really rather not,

01:12:06 ◼   ► I mean, at this point I'm just gonna continue to wait

01:12:08 ◼   ► until they, I guess they cancel it, airport style.

01:12:11 ◼   ► But I would love to get a new Apple TV

01:12:13 ◼   ► that's 4K to put on my TV downstairs.

01:12:16 ◼   ► So I hope I see one.

01:12:17 ◼   ► - AirPower, and there were rumors about that coming back.

01:12:20 ◼   ► Have you seen the rumors about AirPower coming back?

01:12:22 ◼   ► - I saw a couple, yeah.

01:12:23 ◼   ► - Like they just started over and they're gonna make

01:12:25 ◼   ► another product that does the same thing,

01:12:27 ◼   ► but like start over from scratch and make one that works.

01:12:29 ◼   ► We'll see if that ever happens.

01:12:31 ◼   ► If that, boy, if that beats AirTags out,

01:12:34 ◼   ► I don't know what's going on with AirTags.

01:12:35 ◼   ► I don't know what the holdup is.

01:12:37 ◼   ► - It's just not the right time, John.

01:12:39 ◼   ► It's just not the right time.

01:12:41 ◼   ► - They keep catching on fire.

01:12:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:12:43 ◼   ► - That might have something to do with it.

01:12:45 ◼   ► Oh, yi yi.

01:12:46 ◼   ► I'm really looking forward to it.

01:12:48 ◼   ► I'm excited.

01:12:49 ◼   ► I'm not excited about the potential choice

01:12:52 ◼   ► I'm gonna have to make with regards to size

01:12:54 ◼   ► as we've already covered,

01:12:55 ◼   ► because I feel like I'm going to be forced to go bigger

01:12:59 ◼   ► and I really don't want to,

01:13:00 ◼   ► but one way or another, I'm excited to see what's on offer.

01:13:04 ◼   ► Okay, so do you guys--

01:13:05 ◼   ► - I love the idea that you're forced.

01:13:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna be forced to buy a new iPhone

01:13:11 ◼   ► to replace my one-year-old iPhone,

01:13:12 ◼   ► and that will be forced,

01:13:14 ◼   ► I'll be forced to get the nice model that's big.

01:13:16 ◼   ► - No, you're right to call me out on that.

01:13:18 ◼   ► That's a fair point.

01:13:19 ◼   ► But no, I am curious, do the two of you guys

01:13:23 ◼   ► think we're going to see iPad style a touch ID thing

01:13:28 ◼   ► in the side button?

01:13:29 ◼   ► Let's start with Marco.

01:13:30 ◼   ► - I would say it's possible.

01:13:31 ◼   ► I would hope to see it,

01:13:33 ◼   ► but it might be a little ambitious,

01:13:35 ◼   ► because to get that, well, now that I think about it,

01:13:38 ◼   ► 'cause I think one of the biggest challenges for that

01:13:41 ◼   ► would be the thickness of the case.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Obviously, you want that button to be as thick as possible

01:13:45 ◼   ► to give you the most surface area possible

01:13:47 ◼   ► to see as much of the fingerprint as possible,

01:13:49 ◼   ► and phones are not that thick,

01:13:52 ◼   ► but they do tend to be thicker than iPads.

01:13:56 ◼   ► Are they still?

01:13:58 ◼   ► I haven't checked.

01:13:59 ◼   ► Are they current phones?

01:14:00 ◼   ► - No, I'm pretty sure they're thicker than iPads, though.

01:14:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, so if it can fit on an iPad,

01:14:05 ◼   ► it might be able to fit on a phone, too.

01:14:07 ◼   ► So yeah, maybe.

01:14:08 ◼   ► I would love to see that,

01:14:09 ◼   ► and I would love to see a hybrid model

01:14:12 ◼   ► where it's face ID and touch ID.

01:14:15 ◼   ► That would be awesome,

01:14:17 ◼   ► and especially if you could pick,

01:14:19 ◼   ► tell it, oh, just whatever recognizes me first,

01:14:22 ◼   ► let me in, so you don't need both to match,

01:14:24 ◼   ► or you don't always need face ID.

01:14:25 ◼   ► You can just like, whatever recognizes me.

01:14:26 ◼   ► That would be awesome.

01:14:28 ◼   ► I would love that,

01:14:30 ◼   ► but I don't know if they're quite ready for that yet

01:14:32 ◼   ► on the phone.

01:14:33 ◼   ► I might need one more year.

01:14:34 ◼   ► - Jon?

01:14:35 ◼   ► - It seems like something that we would know already

01:14:37 ◼   ► through the rumor mills and the leaked cases

01:14:38 ◼   ► and stuff like that,

01:14:39 ◼   ► and the fact that I haven't heard anything about it

01:14:41 ◼   ► makes me think that it's not gonna have it.

01:14:42 ◼   ► Like, mostly because, you know,

01:14:43 ◼   ► it's like the touch ID on the iPad,

01:14:46 ◼   ► what is the iPad, the new iPad Air?

01:14:48 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:14:49 ◼   ► - Like, that's not a reaction to COVID.

01:14:50 ◼   ► That was planned way ahead of time,

01:14:51 ◼   ► and even though I don't personally understand

01:14:53 ◼   ► the cost trade-off between face ID and that,

01:14:55 ◼   ► it seems clear to me that that's why it has touch ID,

01:14:58 ◼   ► because they didn't put face ID in,

01:15:00 ◼   ► because it's the cheaper model,

01:15:01 ◼   ► and once you don't have face ID,

01:15:02 ◼   ► but you still wanna have the full screen gesture,

01:15:04 ◼   ► blah, blah, blah thing, you need something,

01:15:06 ◼   ► and there's where touch ID is.

01:15:06 ◼   ► Whereas on the phone,

01:15:08 ◼   ► it's not the thickness that I worry about,

01:15:10 ◼   ► because again, the phones have been thicker than iPads

01:15:11 ◼   ► for a little while now.

01:15:12 ◼   ► It's like how much space is there inside the phone

01:15:14 ◼   ► for you to put crap, right?

01:15:16 ◼   ► And putting the touch ID sensor,

01:15:17 ◼   ► it's not big, like, it's not huge,

01:15:19 ◼   ► but it's bigger than a power button, right?

01:15:21 ◼   ► And so it makes me think that,

01:15:24 ◼   ► like, because there's no reason to do it on the phone,

01:15:26 ◼   ► that they've been perfectly happy with this design of like,

01:15:29 ◼   ► you know, just face ID and it being fine,

01:15:31 ◼   ► and because this phone wasn't made in reaction to COVID,

01:15:34 ◼   ► 'cause it was planned way before this happened,

01:15:36 ◼   ► that regardless of what Apple wants to do or plans to do,

01:15:38 ◼   ► and certainly regardless of what we all want it to do,

01:15:40 ◼   ► because I agree with Marco,

01:15:41 ◼   ► I'd love it with a phone with both,

01:15:43 ◼   ► seems to me that this phone is not gonna have it,

01:15:45 ◼   ► and which is understandable and fine,

01:15:47 ◼   ► but for the next phone, hopefully COVID didn't come too late

01:15:50 ◼   ► to influence the design of the next one,

01:15:51 ◼   ► because now I can imagine making different trade-offs

01:15:53 ◼   ► and saying, well, we don't know how long

01:15:55 ◼   ► we're gonna be wearing these masks.

01:15:56 ◼   ► If you can, let's get touch ID

01:15:59 ◼   ► into the iPhone 13 or whatever.

01:16:02 ◼   ► - To be fair, the demand for touch ID on a phone

01:16:06 ◼   ► existed strongly before COVID also.

01:16:08 ◼   ► There's a lot of people who still don't like face ID

01:16:12 ◼   ► and are still holding onto the older style phones,

01:16:14 ◼   ► and that's one of the reasons I think why the new SE

01:16:16 ◼   ► is the older style, because there's a lot of people

01:16:19 ◼   ► who just don't want face ID for whatever reason,

01:16:21 ◼   ► or it doesn't work well for them,

01:16:23 ◼   ► and so touch ID still has quite a fan base,

01:16:27 ◼   ► and I think until Apple can offer touch ID

01:16:31 ◼   ► on the high-end phones in some form,

01:16:33 ◼   ► whether it's like an under-screen thing

01:16:35 ◼   ► or a power button thing, whatever it is,

01:16:37 ◼   ► some form of touch ID, I think they need to do it

01:16:39 ◼   ► in order to capture the rest of that market again

01:16:42 ◼   ► and to get them to be upgrading to nice iPhones again.

01:16:45 ◼   ► - Who do you know who face ID doesn't work well for?

01:16:47 ◼   ► Because I know old people say touch ID doesn't work

01:16:49 ◼   ► 'cause their fingerprints are all old

01:16:50 ◼   ► and ever-changing, apparently, but who has a face

01:16:53 ◼   ► that's a problem with face ID?

01:16:55 ◼   ► - Well, people who wear face coverings on a regular basis,

01:16:58 ◼   ► that's a big one, and that was a big one before this,

01:17:00 ◼   ► and it's just a bigger one now, but that's a big one.

01:17:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.

01:17:05 ◼   ► They should do both of them.

01:17:06 ◼   ► It's just a question of was this the year

01:17:08 ◼   ► where they felt like the trade-off in internal space

01:17:11 ◼   ► and cost, I suppose, was worth it to get it wedged

01:17:14 ◼   ► in there, and given the one device we've seen

01:17:17 ◼   ► where they've done this, it's not the high end.

01:17:19 ◼   ► It's a trade-off feature, but my finger's a cross for it

01:17:23 ◼   ► 'cause obviously we all wish it was there.

01:17:25 ◼   ► I just feel like I would have seen confirmed rumors of it.

01:17:30 ◼   ► This is, again, I'm casually paying attention,

01:17:33 ◼   ► but I think casually paying attention to the rumors

01:17:35 ◼   ► is a good way to note when exciting things are happening

01:17:38 ◼   ► because if it's, maybe the rest of the world isn't excited,

01:17:41 ◼   ► isn't as excited about touch ID as the power button

01:17:43 ◼   ► as we all are, but that they should be.

01:17:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would love to see it.

01:17:47 ◼   ► I strongly suspect that it won't have made the cut

01:17:51 ◼   ► in terms of timing, but I would love to see it,

01:17:53 ◼   ► and again, to go back to what we were talking about earlier,

01:17:56 ◼   ► I'd love this thing to be USB-C.

01:17:58 ◼   ► Do you think, well, Jon, did you weigh in on that earlier?

01:18:00 ◼   ► Do you think that it'll be a USB-C phone?

01:18:02 ◼   ► - Again, based on the fact that I haven't heard the rumors

01:18:04 ◼   ► and the fact that the only rumor I have heard

01:18:06 ◼   ► is lightning forever until there's no more wires at all,

01:18:09 ◼   ► which could be as early as next year,

01:18:12 ◼   ► I'm not holding my breath for it.

01:18:13 ◼   ► Although on all of these issues, touch ID and USB-C,

01:18:16 ◼   ► I keep eyeing the Giganto phone, whatever it is,

01:18:19 ◼   ► the Pro Max whatever, like the 6.5 inches, or 6.7.

01:18:24 ◼   ► If you have a 6.7 inch phone, you don't really have issues