00:00:05 ◼ ► all right hold on let me deal with that hold on i'll be back yeah that's we can't just let that
00:00:14 ◼ ► that's so loud it is it's piercing it's doing its job i can't wait to hear what this was
00:00:21 ◼ ► assuming it's not actual smoke i always i and like i've been to case's house i know it's not
00:00:28 ◼ ► like this but i always picture like there's always some calamity like i always picture like you live
00:00:31 ◼ ► in like a cartoon well that was super fun so what was it i the fire alarms just randomly decided
00:00:38 ◼ ► that something was wrong and then quieted themselves which means it's probably going to
00:00:41 ◼ ► happen again at some point which will be super fun do you have carbon monoxide detectors uh yes
00:00:45 ◼ ► we do have a carbon monoxide detector but it is not what went off we have a whole home setup
00:00:50 ◼ ► under this is probably common but when one goes off all them goes off but i didn't touch any of
00:00:54 ◼ ► them no one is cooking anything or showering near one no no do you have any dusty spiders walking
00:00:59 ◼ ► through them well in that all kidding aside i think that's probably what happened i'm not even
00:01:04 ◼ ► trying to be funny because this has happened in the past um typically in the middle of the night
00:01:07 ◼ ► but uh but yeah as far as i know everything's okay famous this should be good does erin agree
00:01:18 ◼ ► yeah it's worth getting a second opinion yeah right uh if this happens again i guess what i'll
00:01:24 ◼ ► do is you'll hear it for a split second and i'll unplug my mic no no leave it in leave it in well
00:01:30 ◼ ► no because what if it goes on for like 15 seconds that's gonna be annoying for everyone take it out
00:01:33 ◼ ► in the edit in the edit fixes it please don't unplug your mic in the middle of recording it'll
00:01:36 ◼ ► do weird things when you plug it back in did he just mute himself or did he just unplug it again
00:01:41 ◼ ► just don't don't unplug your mic during recording please don't change your level either please
00:01:47 ◼ ► whatever you're doing just don't mess with it when we're recording just don't touch it just leave it
00:01:58 ◼ ► perhaps this is the appropriate time to mention that we did have electricians at the house working
00:02:05 ◼ ► on the screened in porch today hypothetically one should not relate to the other i believe
00:02:10 ◼ ► you're referring to the secret expansion project of the house that you have not disclosed on the
00:02:14 ◼ ► show oh well hey guess what we're putting a screened in porch on the house uh by the way
00:02:19 ◼ ► if you're interested atp.fm join that would be extremely helpful right now uh and also merchandise
00:02:25 ◼ ► is coming merchandise is coming uh but anyways uh yes so the secret project that definitely is not a
00:02:30 ◼ ► screened in porch i gotta say i love a screened in porch they're so nice it's the best uh so yeah we
00:02:37 ◼ ► had the electricians they already did the rough in uh which is like getting the wires approximately
00:02:41 ◼ ► to where they're supposed to be uh and then uh today they were doing some but not all of the
00:02:47 ◼ ► final stuff additionally the structure itself got its final county approval which is good from the
00:02:53 ◼ ► building people so uh that means they think it won't fall down which is good that's a start
00:02:58 ◼ ► that's a start uh yeah so we've uh been well we were living in it in a figurative sense for the
00:03:05 ◼ ► last several days but about a week ago we entered pollen season here in virginia and hoo boy oh
00:03:11 ◼ ► it's either i'm getting more sensitive which is certainly possible and or it's getting worse and
00:03:17 ◼ ► worse with each passing day wasn't i think there actually might be some science that it actually is
00:03:22 ◼ ► getting worse most years i don't know it's so bad so deckland today i haven't driven my car in a
00:03:27 ◼ ► couple of days and we had the garage door open the garage door is typically open most of the day
00:03:33 ◼ ► for various uninteresting reasons and uh deckland walked up to the hood of my car and i see him going
00:03:44 ◼ ► i would just just float off of the roof off of the hood of the car because it's just it's so thick
00:03:49 ◼ ► that it's just billowing off the hood and oh god it's so it's terrible all that to say you know we
00:03:57 ◼ ► really love the screened in porch that now at least has lights in it so we could go out there
00:04:01 ◼ ► in the evening time uh but we can't really enjoy it because we're covered it's covered in yellow
00:04:07 ◼ ► all the time you have those hepa filter screens on your screen in porch yeah that's what i need to do
00:04:12 ◼ ► for us aaron pretty much dictated and i mean that in a happy way not not in an angry way dictated
00:04:20 ◼ ► what the design of the screened in porch would be in terms of size and you know what what's what and
00:04:24 ◼ ► so on and so forth but i basically told her hey i'll take care of the electrical and and wait by
00:04:29 ◼ ► that you mean you're going to decide what it is oh yes you're going to actually run the wires oh god
00:04:34 ◼ ► no absolutely not don't oh goodness no uh to put things in perspective i wanted to change out a
00:04:40 ◼ ► light switch from a traditional light switch to a lutron caseta light switch because i forgot to
00:04:44 ◼ ► give it to the electricians today and aaron was like no no no no no no no no no no just just let
00:04:49 ◼ ► them do that when they come back it'll be fine okay honey and she's right to tell me no because
00:04:54 ◼ ► i probably would screw it up somehow i mean like with like i've put in a lot of my own light
00:04:58 ◼ ► switches like you know swapping them over time and like the old house and it's you can you could do
00:05:04 ◼ ► it but you shouldn't do it like and if you had to do it it would probably be fine i've done again
00:05:09 ◼ ► i've done it and the ones i've done have been fine for many many years but i know an electrician
00:05:16 ◼ ► would do a better job than i did yeah you know like like just things like you know like i like
00:05:20 ◼ ► having to like you know make making the perfect loop shape with the with the solid core wire you
00:05:26 ◼ ► know or or like you know making sure like making giving it like exactly the right amount of slack
00:05:31 ◼ ► of the wire in the box so that when you have to push it in it doesn't like squish in a weird way
00:05:36 ◼ ► you know just stuff like there's little details like that that because i have also had electricians
00:05:39 ◼ ► do stuff like that here and there and when they do it it is so much nicer than what i do
00:05:43 ◼ ► well anyway i was what i was driving at and the question i have for you guys is when you have done
00:05:49 ◼ ► any sort of renovation or improvement or refactor for life a better word to your to your home has
00:05:55 ◼ ► has there been a like pretty clear division of labor because aaron said you know i i said aaron
00:06:00 ◼ ► and aaron said to me like you know i'll take care of the the kind of physical setup of the place and
00:06:04 ◼ ► i said you know i'll i'll take care of what electrical needs to go where and so as an example
00:06:09 ◼ ► we had a bit of a not a marital issue but there was a conversation about whether or not we should
00:06:15 ◼ ► about whether or not we should have um infrared heaters on the screened-in porch because i wanted
00:06:22 ◼ ► to be able to use the screened-in port not the bomb i should say we wanted to be able to use
00:06:26 ◼ ► the screened-in porch uh for you know into the parts of the year when maybe it wouldn't be
00:06:31 ◼ ► terribly convenient you know when it's like 50 or 60 degrees outside rather than 70 or 80 degrees
00:06:35 ◼ ► outside and and i eventually won that discussion and we do have infrared heaters that i turned on
00:06:42 ◼ ► for the first time today which is very exciting but um but i was curious you know did did you
00:06:46 ◼ ► guys when you've gone through renovations and you don't have to be specific about the renovations but
00:06:50 ◼ ► did you have like clear divisions of labor or was it just one person doing all the work neither one
00:06:56 ◼ ► it was a collaboration everything everything was a collaboration you're not working i'm gonna work
00:07:00 ◼ ► in teams everyone's all got opinions on everything and usually one person feels more strong than the
00:07:05 ◼ ► other about any specific thing and you work it out yeah i mean that's more or less what happened with
00:07:10 ◼ ► us but if you look at it you know at a macro level she had much stronger opinions about you know the
00:07:16 ◼ ► the physical design of the porch and i had much stronger opinions about the electrical and so it
00:07:19 ◼ ► kind of worked out but i don't marco you've done things on and off over the years what did it end
00:07:24 ◼ ► up for you guys pretty collaborative um as as time has gone on like like the the first time we did
00:07:32 ◼ ► anything it was we were super heavily involved part of that was because we had a really terrible
00:07:37 ◼ ► very cheap contractor and we kind of had to micromanage things because the contractor wouldn't
00:07:44 ◼ ► or couldn't and me and like and like for a later thing that we did um we hired a better contractor
00:07:51 ◼ ► and we had this we had to do and say almost nothing for that because like you know like it was it was
00:07:56 ◼ ► somebody good who kind of like ran ran his own ship correctly and so we didn't need to be doing much
00:08:03 ◼ ► um and and like the first one we had an architect the second one we didn't um because it was like
00:08:08 ◼ ► the first one was like gutting a bunch of rooms second one was like one room so it wasn't that
00:08:12 ◼ ► big of a thing but um architects are supposed to be the ones when you're doing bigger bigger jobs
00:08:18 ◼ ► they're the ones that specify like where the outlets go and stuff like that but you can also
00:08:21 ◼ ► tell them like i want one here or i or can move this over here or whatever because you know they
00:08:25 ◼ ► have to follow certain codes of like they have to be within a certain number of feet of various
00:08:29 ◼ ► things and a certain frequency and a certain type and certain height and all this other stuff but
00:08:33 ◼ ► to the degree that decisions were ours to make yeah we would we would do a lot of them ourselves
00:08:39 ◼ ► when in areas that we cared about but we wouldn't specify like oh i want the beams to run this
00:08:44 ◼ ► direction because we don't know or care how that should or should or needs to be done but certainly
00:08:50 ◼ ► as projects go on you get decision fatigue and so like the first parts of the project we super care
00:08:57 ◼ ► and then as the project goes on you're like i just just do whatever just do whatever's right
00:09:02 ◼ ► just you pick i don't we don't just just get it done please for the love of god get out of our
00:09:05 ◼ ► house like that that kind of thing so that will happen here don't worry right now it's it sounds
00:09:11 ◼ ► like it's roughly the middle of your project so no no it's actually pretty close to the end at this
00:09:16 ◼ ► point okay the physical construction is already done i think we're one to two working days away
00:09:21 ◼ ► from the electrical being done and when that's done it's done so oh okay i think i i don't know
00:09:26 ◼ ► when the electricians are going to be able to come back out because they're pretty busy but
00:09:29 ◼ ► uh it seems like as early as the end of the week it'll be in fact potentially even tomorrow but i
00:09:34 ◼ ► doubt it but i think by the end of the week it's possible that uh it'll be done done and uh and
00:09:40 ◼ ► that would be really exciting but i don't know i'm i'm this is the first time we've done a really
00:09:46 ◼ ► really big renovation like we redid the kitchen i don't know right around the time that decalin was
00:09:50 ◼ ► born and we redid the hvac uh about the same time actually i think it was it was happening at the
00:09:55 ◼ ► same time same time is it coincident or coincident when it's happening at the same time which what's
00:10:00 ◼ ► the right pronunciation there affluent affluent that's what it is thank you those were more like
00:10:04 ◼ ► take the things that we have now and make them not suck as opposed to like let's construct something
00:10:10 ◼ ► new and uh new and exciting and that's what this is so uh and in i shouldn't say happier news i
00:10:16 ◼ ► was gonna say happier news but in in extraordinarily happy news all three of atp is now on the
00:10:22 ◼ ► vaccination train am i right you are right all right all right got lucky uh friend of the show
00:10:29 ◼ ► paul kafasas uh maker of uh what many audio apps including the one we're all using right now to
00:10:34 ◼ ► record this audio hijack yep um gave me a late-breaking tip uh in the middle of the night
00:10:39 ◼ ► saying hey uh this place near us because he lives in this area as well um has vaccines available and
00:10:45 ◼ ► apparently they have too many of them and not enough people to give them to so on the little
00:10:49 ◼ ► signup website they basically said look when you go through this thing enter this thing here uh you
00:10:54 ◼ ► know it says like have you been contacted by a community outreach person for a vaccine and just
00:10:58 ◼ ► say yes to that that's what their website said so i went through it answered all the questions
00:11:02 ◼ ► completely honestly said yes to the community outreach thing it said congratulations you can
00:11:06 ◼ ► get a vaccine so i went today with my son we both got ours uh they were even taking walk-ins people
00:11:12 ◼ ► would just show up like no no appointment no nothing they would just show up and they would
00:11:16 ◼ ► say here fill out this paperwork and then get in line because they got vaccines to give and they're
00:11:20 ◼ ► only there i think they're only there today and then they're only going to be there you know three
00:11:23 ◼ ► weeks from now to do all the second rounds because it was Pfizer um so uh that that was good i mean
00:11:30 ◼ ► you know i'm glad i i'm glad i could finally close all those windows and tabs of all this obsessive
00:11:34 ◼ ► searching for vaccine appointments uh and it's not even you know normally i would have to wait five
00:11:39 ◼ ► more days to be eligible but this place had them and needed to get rid of them and i was more than
00:11:43 ◼ ► happy to take some let me ask you something were the staff there like kind of whatever or were they
00:11:49 ◼ ► super excited because in my vaccination story which i i described in detail in the most recent analog
00:11:54 ◼ ► when i went they were like overjoyed to be giving vaccinations to whoever showed up they were so
00:12:02 ◼ ► excited to be doing this for people and it was really really lovely and i don't know if that
00:12:06 ◼ ► is a southern thing or if that was a we're saving lives thing but how were they where you were
00:12:11 ◼ ► i didn't know it be it might be a southern thing or a collegiate thing or something but uh i mean
00:12:16 ◼ ► everyone was fine they all looked like they were 12 years old but that's just because i'm an old
00:12:20 ◼ ► person um but the person who was giving me the shot asked me if i was excited i was like just
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00:12:31 ◼ ► you know we gotta go through this there was that's a new yorker talking right there that's
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00:14:32 ◼ ► let's start with some follow-up john i am extremely excited to know i've been waiting with
00:14:39 ◼ ► bated breath what is going on with your smart outlet i talked about my redoing my home network
00:14:43 ◼ ► and my smart out was the one thing that i didn't uh get to work and this is a weird having multiple
00:14:49 ◼ ► podcasts i know i talked about it extensively on rectiffs but on this podcast i just sort of
00:14:55 ◼ ► mentioned it and then you know talked about some other stuff that went on our way i should have at
00:15:00 ◼ ► least probably given a little bit more detail because many many people have suggestions of
00:15:04 ◼ ► things that i could do to perhaps get my smart outlet to work i thank everyone for their
00:15:08 ◼ ► suggestions there's no explanation that they could have heard an as yet unreleased episode of rectiffs
00:15:13 ◼ ► and know all the things i tried but i did try many many things all prior to recording the podcast i
00:15:19 ◼ ► haven't had time to mess with it anymore but anyway just to list some of the things i tried
00:15:22 ◼ ► because these may help you with your uh smart outlet or smart thing that's having problems
00:15:27 ◼ ► one of them is some smart devices only support 2.4 gigahertz if they're wi-fi things and if you
00:15:34 ◼ ► have a 2.5 and 5 gigahertz wi-fi network sometimes there's some you know miscommunication where the
00:15:41 ◼ ► device will try to join the 2.4 gigahertz but your phone will be on the 5 then won't be able to talk
00:15:46 ◼ ► or all sorts of stuff like that so the ero has a nice option this is this is a common enough issue
00:15:50 ◼ ► that the ero app actually has an option just a separate dedicated thing that says disable 5
00:15:55 ◼ ► gigahertz for a little while it's like it's like the bit more button on those toasters you know like
00:16:00 ◼ ► you just press it once and it's like self-timing it will reset itself because you know you don't
00:16:05 ◼ ► want to turn off 5 gigahertz everywhere right so you just you press it and it turns off 5 gigahertz
00:16:09 ◼ ► for like 10 minutes to give you a chance to set up stuff so that's the thing you can try didn't work
00:16:14 ◼ ► in my case wpa3 is out now as kind of an experimental feature on the ero thing i have that
00:16:20 ◼ ► enabled one of the support people at ero said why don't you try disabling that it did no difference
00:16:25 ◼ ► ipv6 on and off it's another thing you can try no difference in my end ero has this extra security
00:16:31 ◼ ► thing for homekit where you can turn this feature on and first of all add all the euros as homekit
00:16:35 ◼ ► devices so you can see all your various wi-fi hubs but also it has this thing that'll like limit what
00:16:41 ◼ ► other devices the that your sort of home you know homekit stuff can communicate with to prevent like
00:16:47 ◼ ► you know a light switch from communicating with your computer to somehow tunnel information out
00:16:51 ◼ ► of your home or something i don't know i don't know it's basically just you know confining them
00:16:54 ◼ ► in their network and so maybe that's the problem try that on and off i'm probably missing other
00:16:59 ◼ ► things that i've tried but i tried many many different things i'm in communication with both
00:17:04 ◼ ► ero and the smart outlet maker going through various support things i think i'm at the point
00:17:09 ◼ ► with both of them where they want to essentially get me on the phone in real time and try a bunch
00:17:12 ◼ ► of stuff i did find a reproducible crasher in the uh the app that belongs to the outlet not the home
00:17:17 ◼ ► app but the the specific app for the outlet and so there they have a fix for that crash and i'm
00:17:22 ◼ ► getting on a test flight to try that but i don't think that was the problem because you know you
00:17:26 ◼ ► should be able to add this with homekit anyway so uh the short answer is still no smart outlets and
00:17:31 ◼ ► we're noticing in the house how many people are used to speaking to the air now that we've had
00:17:34 ◼ ► this thing for like you know i don't know multiple years now um and now you have to turn the lights
00:17:39 ◼ ► on and off with your fingers it's terrible um what a hardship i've seen people speak into the air
00:17:46 ◼ ► and then just sit there for a second and realize oh nothing's that which isn't that strange because
00:17:49 ◼ ► half the time we speak into the air and then the home pod says you know haven't heard back from
00:17:53 ◼ ► your devices and then we have to speak into the air again and ask somebody else to do it
00:17:56 ◼ ► but now you're speaking to the air and nothing happens ever because they're just plugged into
00:18:02 ◼ ► the wall oh it's a hard life yeah so we're working on it again i'm i'm it's not that i back-burned
00:18:09 ◼ ► it i feel bad that i have an email something there's only so much time i can dedicate to
00:18:12 ◼ ► fighting with smart outlets you know it's funny i i really want to make fun of you for this but
00:18:17 ◼ ► one of the um discussions and conversations aaron and i had about the porch was whether or not
00:18:22 ◼ ► lutron casetas were necessary for like fans that are out there because my perspective was i might
00:18:27 ◼ ► want to tweak the speed of the fan and i don't have to get up to do that that's barbaric and
00:18:32 ◼ ► her point was this porch isn't that big you can get off your butt and uh it ends up that i won
00:18:37 ◼ ► that fight because he basically just didn't want to continue to hear me complain and moan
00:18:41 ◼ ► but nevertheless uh i totally hear what you're saying john i have a question for you where in
00:18:46 ◼ ► the ero app just for pure curiosity's sake is the 5g switch maybe it's because you're on newer
00:18:51 ◼ ► hardware than me but i just don't see that anywhere no it's not easy to find i so i use
00:18:56 ◼ ► the switch multiple times like i used it myself and then i was on i was in support email and they
00:19:00 ◼ ► asked me to do it and like oh i found that feature on my own and i already tried it but i'll try it
00:19:04 ◼ ► again right and then like the third time it happened like someone mentioned on on twitter
00:19:10 ◼ ► and they're like oh you should try turning a five gigahertz i'm like you know and they said oh you
00:19:14 ◼ ► you have to call ero to do that and i was i replied i was gonna say no it's in the app now and i was
00:19:18 ◼ ► gonna send them a screenshot of it in the app and i couldn't find it i was like i've used this feature
00:19:23 ◼ ► twice how can i not find it anyway i it's under troubleshooting it's hard to find you go to
00:19:28 ◼ ► troubleshooting you go under like my device can't connect eventually you dig down the troubleshooting
00:19:32 ◼ ► menu tree you get to a leaf node that says like disable five gigahertz for 10 minutes or something
00:19:38 ◼ ► so it is fairly well hidden but if you're desperate and trying everything you probably will end up in
00:19:42 ◼ ► the troubleshooting section of the ero app and then you will find this option for whatever it's
00:19:46 ◼ ► worth i have actually for a few months at least now um i've faced similar issues with five gigahertz
00:19:53 ◼ ► networks having problems with certain devices connecting to them or getting confused by like
00:19:58 ◼ ► their ssid being the same as the 2.4 ssid and so i actually have like one of one of the random
00:20:06 ◼ ► nerdy things you can do with ubiquity stuff is you can you can create as many networks as you want
00:20:10 ◼ ► like as many network name broadcasts as you want you can specify all sorts of different things about
00:20:14 ◼ ► them and one of the things i do is i broadcast a version of my ssid that is that has no space
00:20:23 ◼ ► and only like basic ascii characters like only the only basic letters in in the name that was
00:20:29 ◼ ► one of the troubleshooting options uh so troubleshooting suggestions i think from both ends
00:20:33 ◼ ► and i tried it i did i did what you're just describing just fyi i didn't do anything but
00:20:37 ◼ ► gone anyway but yeah so it's because i found like like certain devices like my my ssid contains a
00:20:43 ◼ ► smart quote and you know you can't even type that on a lot of devices that have like they're like
00:20:49 ◼ ► like on a nest thermostat there's like no way to type that in um and it so and if it doesn't show
00:20:54 ◼ ► up in the in like a list of browse things you basically can't you can't basically can't use it
00:21:00 ◼ ► like i had some kind of like crazy epson printer i had to set up wirelessly that like it just couldn't
00:21:05 ◼ ► join the network at all no matter what because it had an apostrophe in it like a smart quote so i
00:21:10 ◼ ► have this whole separate ssid again 2.4 only only the letters in the name and it's not broadcast like
00:21:17 ◼ ► it's not advertised as it doesn't advertise its name it's for people's lists so that way it doesn't
00:21:22 ◼ ► clutter up my wi-fi menu when i when i look at it and and like you know when we have guests over they
00:21:27 ◼ ► don't actually accidentally try to join it or something but i can easily type it in to any
00:21:32 ◼ ► to any device and because it's 2.4 only and has a different name technically than my main one that
00:21:38 ◼ ► has five point five point eight and two point four on it there's no conflict there's no potential for
00:21:42 ◼ ► conflict so i and i've actually had a few devices that only worked when they were connected to that
00:21:46 ◼ ► network and not my main one yeah and the other thing to want to remind people is that this smart
00:21:51 ◼ ► outlet was connected to this very set of euro hardware for wi-fi and always has been is the
00:21:57 ◼ ► only thing that's ever been connected to the only difference is now all of a sudden the euro is doing
00:22:01 ◼ ► routing that's why i think it has probably something to do with my router setup but i don't know what
00:22:04 ◼ ► to change on it other than the stuff i've already tried but yeah it's super weird because it's not
00:22:08 ◼ ► like this isn't new hardware it's not like it's new wi-fi like if there was any incompatibility
00:22:13 ◼ ► between this smart outlet and my era wi-fi how did it work for the past two years or whatever right
00:22:17 ◼ ► so it's it's probably just like i'm distributing ip addresses wrong or some other weird bug and you
00:22:23 ◼ ► know anyway i'm it's a background it's a background task i'm working on it but it's not the most
00:22:28 ◼ ► important thing all right tell me about electrical resistive heating please yeah i don't think it was
00:22:33 ◼ ► clear enough in this when we were talking about uh things you can do with electricity that are
00:22:36 ◼ ► constructive is like what i'm using electricity anyway to and it's producing heat why don't i do
00:22:41 ◼ ► something useful for that electricity like uh mine for bitcoin or something anyway and we got into
00:22:46 ◼ ► discussion of heat pumps versus electrical heating which is confusing because uh many or most heat
00:22:52 ◼ ► pumps use electricity to do their job and what we didn't distinguish between is uh sort of electrical
00:22:59 ◼ ► resistive heating where electricity comes into your home from the outside right and you basically run
00:23:05 ◼ ► that electricity through something that has resistance and turn that electricity into heat
00:23:09 ◼ ► and you can turn pretty much 100 it's really easy to turn stuff into heat in general like you can
00:23:13 ◼ ► turn pretty much 100 of that electricity into waste heat uh and you can use that to heat your
00:23:18 ◼ ► own and that's what i was talking about as the fairly inefficient and you know i just got kind
00:23:23 ◼ ► of electrical heating and i just got done saying well if i can turn all the electricity into heat
00:23:27 ◼ ► how is that inefficient isn't that like 100 efficient uh that's again where you should watch
00:23:31 ◼ ► the videos that we linked last week to learn that it is much more efficient to simply use that
00:23:36 ◼ ► electricity to transfer pre-existing heat that you didn't have to pay to generate from a place where
00:23:42 ◼ ► it isn't from a place where it is to a place where it isn't so heat pumps take heat from outside your
00:23:47 ◼ ► home and put it into your home and you may be thinking well there's no heat outside my home
00:23:50 ◼ ► when it's cold out again you need to watch the video so heat pumps they're cool they use
00:23:55 ◼ ► electricity they're not the same as electrical resistive heating and yes it is very possible
00:23:59 ◼ ► to get a better efficiency than you get for electrical resistive heating even though all the
00:24:04 ◼ ► electricity and electro-electric resistive heating essentially turns into heat you can do even better
00:24:08 ◼ ► if you don't have to make the heat in the first place all right a lot of people wrote in with
00:24:13 ◼ ► regard to uh with with corrections and also supplementary information for marco with regard
00:24:18 ◼ ► to carplay and with charging which we'll get to in a second but something that i didn't know and
00:24:23 ◼ ► i'm kind of embarrassed that i didn't know this but i'll bring it up on the show in case other
00:24:27 ◼ ► people didn't know this lots of people said that if you have like a dictation button on your steering
00:24:33 ◼ ► wheel if you long press it's like a press and hold it will activate siri when carplay is connected
00:24:40 ◼ ► and my mind exploded because i had no idea that was the case my volkswagen has a dictation button
00:24:47 ◼ ► on the steering wheel i honestly don't remember if aaron's car does i don't think it does but
00:24:51 ◼ ► nevertheless my volkswagen definitely does and when i tap that button or you know just just
00:24:55 ◼ ► momentarily press that button it always does volkswagen's dictation system setup or whatever
00:25:01 ◼ ► and it's always garbage as every car dictation i've ever tried is always garbage all of them always
00:25:06 ◼ ► oh yeah exactly but turns out when you mash down on it for like a second or two it'll activate
00:25:13 ◼ ► siri if carplay is is enabled and connected and i honest to goodness i had no idea that was the case
00:25:18 ◼ ► and this is going to change my life so thank you to all of you who wrote in and told us that that
00:25:24 ◼ ► was extremely interesting news to me that i did not know yeah we've we heard from a bunch of people
00:25:29 ◼ ► who were all correcting me on how wrong i was about how bad carplay and bmw's was apparently
00:25:36 ◼ ► not only that but also i had forgotten i think we even talked about this in neutral at some point
00:25:40 ◼ ► but i had forgotten that with the old bmw i drive systems where you'd you'd still have those like
00:25:46 ◼ ► one through nine memory buttons like like radio buttons across the front of the dash i forgot
00:25:51 ◼ ► i'd forgotten that you can actually hold those down and program in a shortcut to any any screen
00:25:57 ◼ ► in i drive oh yeah so you don't have to just program number one to a radio station you can
00:26:02 ◼ ► program it to the carplay screen or any other screen in i drive and so some people suggested
00:26:06 ◼ ► if i want like a hardware button to jump right to carplay all the time just program in like button
00:26:10 ◼ ► number one to that so we'll try that next time i'm in that car and yeah you're right the press and
00:26:15 ◼ ► hold uh for the for the button apparently we'll also do uh siri so that's that's also very good
00:26:21 ◼ ► and i was told by many people also that apparently the the non-touch screen and ancient i drive
00:26:26 ◼ ► system in the i3 is apparently way behind the systems that are in literally every other bmw
00:26:33 ◼ ► even though this is a model year 2019 car it's not that old but the i3 hasn't really been very
00:26:39 ◼ ► well updated over time so it apparently is still running an old generation of stuff apparently the
00:26:44 ◼ ► new car place in bmws apparently they all have touch screens and they are like way better so
00:26:50 ◼ ► apparently this problem has been solved in all the other models except for the i3 you can twirl
00:26:55 ◼ ► your finger in front of the new ones to turn the volume up and down oh great yeah that's true by
00:27:01 ◼ ► the way that's not that's not a sarcasm you really could do that in some way and we also heard from
00:27:05 ◼ ► people who drove lots of other kinds of cars who basically said that the the dream setup i had
00:27:10 ◼ ► talked about of having it like just being carplay and have quick buttons to jump around between like
00:27:16 ◼ ► the map and music app apparently like every other car maker offers that that's we we were we had so
00:27:22 ◼ ► many people write it and say like oh i drive home you know whatever and yeah that's apparently very
00:27:26 ◼ ► common so pretty much it sounds like pretty much everybody except tesla uh has very good carplay
00:27:32 ◼ ► options for their vehicles and that brings us to some feedback from friend of the show dave nanian
00:27:36 ◼ ► who is the primary author of super duper which is some really great backup software which we'll put
00:27:40 ◼ ► a link in the show notes dave writes there are only three charge plugs used in the united states the
00:27:44 ◼ ► tesla one the leaf one and css or excuse me ccs which everyone else uses and there's a link to evgo
00:27:51 ◼ ► dot com which details all the different uh different electric vehicles and what plugs they use and
00:27:58 ◼ ► approximately what their range are and so on and so forth uh dave continues so the bmw plug is the
00:28:02 ◼ ► one used by nearly everything including his take take on take can what is it john ty can it's ty
00:28:07 ◼ ► can like the tie you wear on your neck and like a can of soup that's my guess right now don't worry
00:28:12 ◼ ► like everything else about porsche every way we possibly could say it is wrong yeah i believe it's
00:28:17 ◼ ► porsche marco porsche uh so his porsche in his porsche t t kettle that's uh so anyway tate
00:28:24 ◼ ► continues i've had very little problem finding fast chargers and uh but i'm not driving where
00:28:30 ◼ ► marco is so also boy you're john and casey right you knew i had to include this feedback when that
00:28:35 ◼ ► phrase was part of it marco needs to actually look at non-teslas i'm really much happier with
00:28:40 ◼ ► my tycon than i am with my admittedly early model s it's a far better car and i'm sure that the
00:28:45 ◼ ► audi e-tron gt is similarly great uh i i thought this was good feedback because i honestly had no
00:28:50 ◼ ► clue what the charging situation was across all these different brands and all these different
00:28:54 ◼ ► vehicles but i i also like someone who has lived your life marco saying please please leave
00:29:02 ◼ ► the tesla bubble just at least to look it doesn't hurt to look you can look just look there's other
00:29:08 ◼ ► things out there and they're good so i will counter this argument with oh no with um you know so the
00:29:15 ◼ ► very first line of david aden's email here about the charge plugs yeah so i had said in the last
00:29:20 ◼ ► show that that the i3 had some weird plug that nothing else had and i had a very hard time like
00:29:26 ◼ ► finding fast chargers for it on like the public networks to find to look at chargers you know
00:29:32 ◼ ► dave says there's only three charge plugs in the u.s tesla one the leaf one which is the chattel
00:29:37 ◼ ► mo and ccs which is used everywhere else and apparently that's like the standard in europe
00:29:40 ◼ ► so much so that even tesla uses ccs in europe i believe they were forced to uh anyway the
00:29:45 ◼ ► tesla one comma the leaf one comma and this thing everyone else uses tesla and the leaf are super
00:29:52 ◼ ► popular it's like the number one available one and then this other one that's on this very popular
00:29:58 ◼ ► other car so it's not like ccs is like the majority of everything by like total unit sales so that's
00:30:08 ◼ ► that's like two very big ifs that's like saying like you can use this website that works on
00:30:12 ◼ ► everything except chrome it's like okay well that's kind of it's kind of a problem i'm gonna
00:30:18 ◼ ► guess that ccs the more cars with ccs are sold in the u.s than any other ev but that's just a guess
00:30:23 ◼ ► i'm sure we'll find out by next week i honestly i'd be surprised i i would assume that tesla has
00:30:29 ◼ ► everyone beat on on total unit sales for evs but yeah the model the model 3 really is the big factor
00:30:34 ◼ ► they're gonna feel like yeah at least in the u.s tons of models 3s are sold but i but i'd see tons
00:30:38 ◼ ► of other i mean maybe if you don't if you don't count plug-in hybrids it changes you know what
00:30:42 ◼ ► i mean because i think a lot of cars no i wouldn't count plug-in hybrids and they have the ccs
00:30:46 ◼ ► connector though do they do do they get fast charge because you only need you only need like
00:30:50 ◼ ► the the bottom extra pins if you're doing dc fast charging so anyway going back to this so we got an
00:30:55 ◼ ► email from devin who makes a really good point uh as someone who owns both a nissan leaf and a tesla
00:31:01 ◼ ► once you want to drive more than 100 to 200 miles away from the home point you can't really find
00:31:05 ◼ ► charging reliably tesla is so far ahead of the charging game and super charging spots are so
00:31:10 ◼ ► rock solid i've come up on many quick charger stations in my leaf that i absolutely needed to
00:31:15 ◼ ► continue my trip and then the station is broken and there's only one unit unless you've driven on
00:31:19 ◼ ► both charging networks you really don't appreciate how important the tesla network is i'll take that
00:31:23 ◼ ► over carplay any day so that's from devin i mean the leaf has terrible range though i mean to be
00:31:28 ◼ ► fair agreed but i think this is a major factor that when i was looking for chargers one of the
00:31:34 ◼ ► reasons i didn't find that many first of all is that there are way more slow chargers than fast
00:31:39 ◼ ► charge if you actually want dc fast charging there are way fewer of those than there are like hotels
00:31:45 ◼ ► that happen to have a 220 charger in their parking lot so and if you're going on a long trip you want
00:31:49 ◼ ► dc fast charging you don't want to be sitting there for seven hours while your car charges
00:31:53 ◼ ► you know so you know you want actual fast charging like that's what that's what superchargers are
00:31:57 ◼ ► direct dc directly into batteries so anyway there simply aren't very many of those in the u.s in
00:32:02 ◼ ► many places i think tesla has webinar coverage and then i totally see that this is this is the
00:32:08 ◼ ► reality here like when you when you do find one of those dc fast chargers that has a ccs plug
00:32:13 ◼ ► it's usually really just like one unit or there it's like you know in some parking lot of some
00:32:18 ◼ ► you know some place you don't want to be it's like in some like tucked away in some like terrible
00:32:23 ◼ ► parking lot behind a warehouse and there's like one ccs charger and like okay well if you're
00:32:29 ◼ ► going to drive to that and there's no more in a very close range you're going to have to be darn
00:32:34 ◼ ► sure that's going to be there and work and be available to you and not be already taken whereas
00:32:40 ◼ ► the supercharger network is just so nice and so consistent and the car knows where it is so like
00:32:45 ◼ ► you know in order for me to find a fast charge place for the i3 i have to like pull over somewhere
00:32:51 ◼ ► take out my phone open up various apps to figure out like where these things are and then like
00:32:55 ◼ ► manually get myself there in every tesla they have a map on the screen that's updated constantly with
00:33:01 ◼ ► supercharger statuses and locations and they they're marked clearly and you can just tap them
00:33:05 ◼ ► if you're using the car's navigation it will automatically route you to them as needed along
00:33:09 ◼ ► long journeys and you can see on the screen how many like charging parking spots charging bays or
00:33:15 ◼ ► whatever they're called are in each charger it tells you whether each one is taken so you can
00:33:20 ◼ ► you can see if you're in a super busy area like maybe like you know the la san francisco corridor
00:33:24 ◼ ► you can see okay well this one is full right now but the one a few miles up is not so i'll wait for
00:33:29 ◼ ► that one i've never actually seen one full not even close but anyway so this is like it's really
00:33:34 ◼ ► nice to have tesla supercharger network with the integration with the car and everything else
00:33:39 ◼ ► because it's it's a very easy it's almost like apple versus other crap that you cobbled it's
00:33:44 ◼ ► like running a mac versus running desktop linux you can do it you can you can run desktop linux
00:33:50 ◼ ► but you're signing yourself up for more work and at least things being a lot less nice than they
00:33:54 ◼ ► are when you have like a total you know integrated experience the value of the supercharger network
00:33:59 ◼ ► to people who don't drive tesla i think is underrated i really think that's a significant
00:34:04 ◼ ► nice factor and significant lock-in i think i half agree with you i think i agree that as much as i
00:34:12 ◼ ► do like to snark about tesla which is it's become you know kind of a pastime of mine at this point
00:34:17 ◼ ► i i really do think that that there are a lot of great things about tesla and one of the best is
00:34:24 ◼ ► unquestionably the supercharger network and it is certainly much better done than any of the
00:34:29 ◼ ► alternatives that being said my limited understanding and i'll and i'll be the first to tell you i don't
00:34:34 ◼ ► have an electric car so i i don't really have to live this life but my limited understanding is that
00:34:40 ◼ ► the non-tesla super you know the the charging network that isn't superchargers has gotten
00:34:46 ◼ ► considerably better in just the last year or two and i suspect that marco if you were to give it
00:34:52 ◼ ► a really and truly honest shake i think it would it's probably better than you think and perhaps
00:34:57 ◼ ► not as good as i think and i think i think you're pooping on it a little more aggressively than
00:35:01 ◼ ► necessary but i don't think that you're overblowing the supercharger network it really is phenomenal
00:35:07 ◼ ► and i wonder if it would have been better or nicer or more in the spirit of you know togetherness and
00:35:14 ◼ ► let's save the planet together if tesla would make that available to other electric cars as well
00:35:22 ◼ ► that's the people are gonna come they do they do make it available yeah stop okay yeah apparently
00:35:27 ◼ ► tesla did like offer that i don't know i don't know what the reality of that offer was but yeah
00:35:33 ◼ ► apparently elon said that he would open with anybody but i don't think anybody took him up on
00:35:37 ◼ ► it but who knows what that was actually you know like it could have been real and everyone else is
00:35:42 ◼ ► saying oh we'll do our own thing or it could have been like a you know steve jobs will open up
00:35:46 ◼ ► facetime open standard kind of thing where it's like okay well that never that couldn't and
00:35:49 ◼ ► wouldn't actually ever happen who knows but it doesn't matter everyone went a different way and
00:35:53 ◼ ► i'm sure eventually the u.s will standardize on this like i think we will probably eventually have
00:35:59 ◼ ► ccs being the standard required but it would take government intervention to do that at this point
00:36:05 ◼ ► because tesla has no reason strategically or practically they have no reason to change their
00:36:11 ◼ ► connector right now and no one else has any reason to adopt tesla's connector so it's just i think
00:36:17 ◼ ► we're going to be a a two system country for a while until regulation steps in and forces tesla
00:36:22 ◼ ► to change over you're probably right i also want to do a very brief and quick bit of follow-out i
00:36:28 ◼ ► thought that there was a really great conversation on upgrade this week about both the touch bar and
00:36:33 ◼ ► the home pod and it got me thinking about both of them um kind of the the crux of the argument made
00:36:40 ◼ ► in a roundabout way i think from from both hosts was that the touch bar in particular was like
00:36:47 ◼ ► severely limited they were talking about it in the context of a stream box which i'm not even entirely
00:36:51 ◼ ► clear what that is but i guess it's like a little mini keyboard that has programmable buttons that
00:36:55 ◼ ► you can you know tell via software what you want them to do um but you know people were saying to
00:37:01 ◼ ► them well why don't you use the touch bar for that and they they started talking about like things
00:37:05 ◼ ► like better touch tool and and other like hacks in which that would let you use the touch bar to be
00:37:10 ◼ ► more customizable but it's really it's a hack and like i've dabbled with better touch tool for this
00:37:16 ◼ ► i think i'd mentioned on the show months and months ago that i had had my garage door status
00:37:20 ◼ ► on the touch bar just because i could uh but it was always so of course i did uh but it was it
00:37:26 ◼ ► was always so finicky and it never worked quite right and i just didn't care for it plus the
00:37:30 ◼ ► better touch tool while extremely powerful its its interface is super janky uh and i just i don't
00:37:36 ◼ ► know i didn't really care for it but it got me thinking like what if there was a first party way
00:37:40 ◼ ► to completely customize the touch bar i would be all over that because my experience with the touch
00:37:44 ◼ ► bar is like well it's it's a thing it's fine i don't i don't hate it like i think marco does
00:37:50 ◼ ► but i don't particularly love it either it's just it's there it's a thing um but if you have like a
00:37:56 ◼ ► customized it i think i would love it i would absolutely love it and it's it's a bummer that
00:38:01 ◼ ► it's apple's way or nothing and and that's all you get well that's welcome to apple no exactly
00:38:12 ◼ ► on the same episode and i don't think they brought this up or i'm going to claim it was an original
00:38:18 ◼ ► idea that was spawned from that conversation but i got to thinking like you know everyone has said
00:38:24 ◼ ► for years well it's too bad the home pod doesn't have an aux in and it got me thinking you know
00:38:29 ◼ ► if there was a way to treat the home pod as just a speaker i probably would have got i almost
00:38:36 ◼ ► certainly would have gotten one you know as as they're clearing out inventory or when best buy
00:38:40 ◼ ► used to run those incredible sales and i might have even gotten one before then when they were
00:38:45 ◼ ► full price like i i probably wouldn't have because i'm cheap but i would have thought about it a lot
00:38:50 ◼ ► more and it's really too bad that it's apple's way or nothing and it's all software and if you
00:38:56 ◼ ► don't like that tough nuggies and it's just both of these products i think would be so much better
00:39:03 ◼ ► if we were allowed to get in there and use them in in a way that isn't officially blessed by apple
00:39:11 ◼ ► and i can and i understand a lot of the reasons why that's not possible especially for the touch
00:39:14 ◼ ► bar but it just bums me out and i thought it was a really good conversation between mike and jason
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00:41:24 ◼ ► weldon reinventing men's basics hey guess what we're going we're going to get spring-loaded next
00:41:34 ◼ ► week does that mean we're gonna like bounce i don't know but the little logo is pretty cool right it
00:41:39 ◼ ► is pretty cool i mean it's you know it's one of the many like modern apple graphic design marketing
00:41:44 ◼ ► logo is it doesn't really mean anything it's people are trying to read into it they're trying real
00:41:48 ◼ ► hard but there's nothing there to read it to i mean it's a spring and the season is spring yeah
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00:42:04 ◼ ► uh what was it tuesday i believe uh apparently it was discovered that siri was telling people
00:42:10 ◼ ► that there was an apple event on the 20th if you asked if you asked when when is the upcoming apple
00:42:16 ◼ ► event siri would sometimes answer that it was coming in april 20th and sometimes would not this
00:42:22 ◼ ► was another you know great thing about siri and i guess rollouts to see the ends or who knows how
00:42:27 ◼ ► siri works behind the scenes but depending on what you asked and where you were maybe in the
00:42:32 ◼ ► information propagation across across apple's edge network through whatever third party they're using
00:42:37 ◼ ► you might get a different answer but yeah once the once siri started saying that i mean my first
00:42:42 ◼ ► thought was did they do an event in april 20th and some year passed and series just regurgitating
00:42:46 ◼ ► information from years ago but now it turned out that siri was just a little bit ahead of the game
00:42:51 ◼ ► new before we did indeed so yeah so spring-loaded is the name of the event it will be on 4 20
00:42:58 ◼ ► snicker uh and it'll be at one in the afternoon atp time which is 10 in the morning pacific and
00:43:04 ◼ ► gosh knows whenever it is in your local time zone uh what do we think is coming a lot of people have
00:43:09 ◼ ► said kind of you know the obvious things that are rumored you know things like new ipad pro maybe
00:43:16 ◼ ► um air tags seem like an obvious thing that seems like they're always like they should have been out
00:43:22 ◼ ► by now and they i think they should have been out by now for like the last year it seems that they're
00:43:26 ◼ ► perpetually delayed by something who knows um but before we get to the actual hardware do you think
00:43:34 ◼ ► there's going to be some kind of announcement made at this about either app store policy stuff or
00:43:41 ◼ ► attempt to defend app tracking transparency because one thing that seems most likely is that ios 14.5
00:43:50 ◼ ► will most likely launch you know shortly after or shortly before this event like this this is going
00:43:54 ◼ ► to be the event that debuts ios 14.5 whether directly or indirectly and 14.5 includes the
00:44:01 ◼ ► abstract and transparency prompt that everyone's all up in arms about like all the all the ad
00:44:05 ◼ ► people are all up in arms about it um there's possibly some inquiries from congress in this
00:44:20 ◼ ► possible issues with the app store the epic lawsuit you know there's all sorts of stuff
00:44:25 ◼ ► all this pressure that we've talked about right one thing that kind of caught my eye is senators
00:44:29 ◼ ► uh a.d clover shah and mike lee are uh they sent this letter to apple to appear at some hearing
00:44:35 ◼ ► sorry i've been following for the details but initially it was reported that apple declined
00:44:39 ◼ ► to send someone and then apple gave this statement the other day that bloomberg got a copy of that
00:44:45 ◼ ► said uh we are willing to participate in a hearing we simply sought alternative dates in light of
00:44:51 ◼ ► upcoming matters that have been scheduled for some time and that touch on similar issues huh
00:44:58 ◼ ► now the way i read that upcoming matters that have been set up for some time is either going to be
00:45:01 ◼ ► this or wdbc but wbc is way far out the subcommittee was not trying to meet anytime then so it must
00:45:09 ◼ ► be this event and so the part that gets me then is that touch on similar issues and this subcommittee
00:45:15 ◼ ► uh seems to be about um the app store and app store policies and you know app store monopoly
00:45:21 ◼ ► issues and you know whatever whatever else is there so do you think there's going to be
00:45:24 ◼ ► something at this event that's going to be in that category of either you know app tracking
00:45:30 ◼ ► transparency requirement defenses in some way which is probably a given or do you think they
00:45:36 ◼ ► would actually involve some kind of app store policy change in this event i don't see them
00:45:42 ◼ ► doing an app store policy thing i i would unless it's something that you could spin for a more
00:45:49 ◼ ► traditional audience like i could see that being a wwdc thing but i don't see them going into that
00:45:55 ◼ ► at what is a marketing event for regular people it's possible but i doubt it now app tracking
00:46:03 ◼ ► transparency i think that they will absolutely be touting that is look at what we are doing to
00:46:07 ◼ ► protect you and protect your data you are welcome totally that that is absolutely going to happen is
00:46:13 ◼ ► i doubt they'll do much more than that i doubt they'll do more than like an off-handed comment
00:46:17 ◼ ► about why everyone is grumpy about after uh app tracking transparency i i don't i don't see it
00:46:24 ◼ ► getting aggressive but i absolutely think they're going to go on a probably medium length uh song
00:46:31 ◼ ► and dance slash dog and pony show about why att is good for you and me as the chat room is reminding
00:46:38 ◼ ► us uh there's also the epic uh court case that apparently is happening in early may so that could
00:46:43 ◼ ► be another thing that touches on similar issues but like what what case you just said like in the
00:46:48 ◼ ► language of the touches on similar issues yeah rolling out public rolling out of 14.5 where you
00:46:53 ◼ ► talk about it on stage at a spring apple event that totally counts as touching on issues so i
00:46:57 ◼ ► mean i feel like everyone involved in the app tracking thing has already sort of had their say
00:47:02 ◼ ► all the involved parties have all complained both publicly and to congress in various cases and in
00:47:08 ◼ ► their court documents and apple has had its say and had its press releases and done interviews i
00:47:12 ◼ ► feel like there's you know it's all over but the the court cases in the regulation right now so i
00:47:17 ◼ ► don't think apple is going to do anything more than what they would normally do which is hey here's a
00:47:21 ◼ ► new product that's part of a new s o s and here's why we think it's cool and then all those things
00:47:26 ◼ ► that are going on in the background all the court cases all the congressional testimony all of the
00:47:30 ◼ ► public posturing that will just continue apace but i don't see apple like dedicating much to this
00:47:35 ◼ ► event to it beyond just you know the 14.5 features right and i feel like you know from the you know
00:47:43 ◼ ► like having an event at all there's products to announce right you know that that's got to take
00:47:49 ◼ ► the majority of the time normally the 14.5 stuff is just you know it's going to be thrown in there
00:47:53 ◼ ► because you know it's shipping or whatever but it's got to all be about the products that's that's
00:47:58 ◼ ► my take on it so far anyway i would agree with that yeah i think you're probably right but that's
00:48:04 ◼ ► just that kind of threw me off you know that if this is what they were talking about which maybe
00:48:08 ◼ ► it isn't i may i think maybe the epic lawsuit i think might be that that's probably a better bet
00:48:13 ◼ ► but still like it just kind of threw me off like this is probably just about products i can't
00:48:17 ◼ ► imagine why they would announce any kind of app store policy change or anything like that at an
00:48:23 ◼ ► event like this that makes no sense to me but yeah anyway you're probably right hopefully all right
00:48:27 ◼ ► so let's move on to products i think this is kind of weird because all of all of our notions about
00:48:33 ◼ ► product stuff other than like you know every year they release new ones of whatever products unless
00:48:38 ◼ ► you're the mac mini or the apple tv um you know so yeah products are due but this year is all
00:48:43 ◼ ► messed up because of all the parts shortages and everything which are you know coming home to roost
00:48:47 ◼ ► about now everyone is having trouble getting all the parts they need to build all their stuff
00:48:50 ◼ ► whether you're a car manufacturer or you're making consumer electronics or tvs or yes even apple
00:48:56 ◼ ► so and this event already seems like it's been kind of delayed from when we normally would have
00:49:02 ◼ ► expected it to come and of course apple can announce products that aren't ready to ship
00:49:05 ◼ ► because it does that all the time but it really throws a monkey wrench into predictions uh if if
00:49:11 ◼ ► we didn't have these part shortages i feel like new ipads would be a shoo-in and i still feel like
00:49:17 ◼ ► they are the most likely product that is being announced especially since this this event is
00:49:21 ◼ ► later than we would have expected it to be but kind of all bets are off if there's one annoying
00:49:26 ◼ ► part of the ipads that they can't get and they you know in a reasonable amount of time then maybe they
00:49:32 ◼ ► can't announce new ipads right and it's just going to be all be about other stuff but i feel like
00:49:37 ◼ ► this is a hard to predict event because sort of for the first time the determining factor is not
00:49:42 ◼ ► solely apple and how far along it is in developing a product because it's now like okay well regardless
00:49:47 ◼ ► of what apple wants if you can't get the parts you can't get the parts yeah i i i would be very
00:49:53 ◼ ► surprised if ipads don't show up at this event because it has certainly been long enough and i
00:49:58 ◼ ► think everyone's been waiting long enough well is that true no there was a 2020 ipad it was just the
00:50:02 ◼ ► a12z though the ipad pro desperately needs to be bumped and it would have been already i feel like
00:50:08 ◼ ► if we didn't have if you know if supplies weren't constrained no i mean like the the ipad pro quote
00:50:15 ◼ ► fourth generation with the a12z is kind of it's about as new as the uh 2012 mac pro was new which
00:50:22 ◼ ► our very first logo was based on like they it really was not very new um but and you know to
00:50:30 ◼ ► clarify when we say ipads i think we're i think we're most likely only talking about the ipad pro
00:50:34 ◼ ► because the the no name ipad and the ipad air were both updated last fall um the ipad mini needs an
00:50:42 ◼ ► update that that could be interesting the last i've had many update was two years ago roughly
00:50:47 ◼ ► it could be minis and pros which would be kind of an odd combination but those are both the ones
00:50:52 ◼ ► that are overdue for updates um and there have been loose rumors about minis here and there but
00:50:56 ◼ ► not nothing super uh firm but there have been lots of rumors about ipad pros so it really does seem
00:51:02 ◼ ► very likely that it's ipad pro time uh yeah i mean i have a 2018 ipad pro uh when you know it first
00:51:10 ◼ ► went to touch id and excuse me it first went to face id and i can use the fancy magic keyboard
00:51:16 ◼ ► with it and i do and the 2021 last year's it added the new processor and it added lidar didn't it
00:51:22 ◼ ► if i'm not mistaken so there's that yes but who cares i agreed agreed well you know tim cook could
00:51:28 ◼ ► use it to show a chart that's true we know he loves his charts so uh i i didn't feel compelled
00:51:34 ◼ ► to upgrade at the time and i i don't really even feel sitting here today before i see the new hot
00:51:40 ◼ ► ness i don't even really feel that compelled to upgrade now like i can't say that my 2018 ipad pro
00:51:46 ◼ ► feels sluggish or slow it's still a really nice device so i'm sure if i see the new ipads i'm
00:51:54 ◼ ► going to immediately buy one because i'm weak but nevertheless there there's nothing that i feel like
00:52:00 ◼ ► i'm desperately seeking in terms of improvements that being said what everyone seems to expect
00:52:07 ◼ ► sometime soon be that with hardware software or both is improved external display support and
00:52:13 ◼ ► though that's not something that i personally see myself doing very often if at all with an ipad
00:52:18 ◼ ► i am extremely interested and my eyebrow is very raised with regard to what that would look like
00:52:24 ◼ ► and how it would work and here again we were talking about that on upgrade today well i
00:52:29 ◼ ► listened today it was i think a day or two ago that it came out and it got me thinking when we
00:52:35 ◼ ► look back on bigger phones when it went from whatever three and a half inches or whatever it
00:52:40 ◼ ► was to four inches if i remember right uh around the iphone 4 era that was somewhat for time no no
00:52:47 ◼ ► it wasn't then it wasn't then it was it was after that and whatever it was it doesn't matter it was
00:52:51 ◼ ► foretold by auto layout so auto layout is an api that what is that one was yeah the iphone 5
00:52:59 ◼ ► introduced the 4 inch screen from 3.5 which is the one before that and then the iphone 6 introduced
00:53:03 ◼ ► the 4.7 inch screen that's yeah right you're right thank you that is exactly what it was so so when
00:53:08 ◼ ► they went to the 4.7 inch screen you know they needed to support more than one size you couldn't
00:53:12 ◼ ► just call it slightly bigger and and kind of just scratch everything and and there needed to be an
00:53:17 ◼ ► api for that and the summer before that happened you know we got introduced to auto layout and
00:53:23 ◼ ► it was pitched if i recall correctly at the time is like oh you can make things work much nicer in
00:53:27 ◼ ► both landscape and portrait it's great that's the only thing you'll need this for okay they like
00:53:34 ◼ ► beat us over the head with it like i i remember like all the hints at that wwc it was it was
00:53:39 ◼ ► hilarious like how like they were like read what we're saying read between the lines you can make
00:53:46 ◼ ► things flexible sizes it was so obvious yeah so um so anyway so i haven't really seen any even hints
00:53:56 ◼ ► of an api like that for for more robust external display support now that doesn't mean it won't
00:54:03 ◼ ► happen and in fact i don't remember there being terribly strong hints about cursor support or
00:54:08 ◼ ► certainly not in the api sense of the word uh before that dropped but there's nothing that i
00:54:13 ◼ ► see that indicates that it's imminent other than apple silicon using uh thunderbolt in the new max
00:54:20 ◼ ► so do you guys reckon that that external display support is one of the things we're going to get
00:54:24 ◼ ► this year even if not this particular event in in addition to what it already has because it already
00:54:29 ◼ ► has external displays i'm sorry yes are you saying like external touch screen support no not
00:54:33 ◼ ► necessarily just something better than are there external touch screens i don't even think i don't
00:54:38 ◼ ► know people sell that's not yeah i mean there were at one point i don't know if they still are but
00:54:42 ◼ ► um i'm sure i'm sure someone does but i don't know if anybody sells like a good one that you
00:54:46 ◼ ► actually want to use for this purpose exactly but i should still be more specific i'm sorry
00:54:50 ◼ ► yes there is external display support as is today but what i mean is something more robust than
00:54:56 ◼ ► typically it's just screen mirroring like if you look at apple fitness plus for goodness sakes
00:55:00 ◼ ► all it is a screen mirroring it doesn't even do the thing like plex does where it takes up the
00:55:03 ◼ ► entire screen for video all it is is mirroring the ipad screen is a pillar box where you have the bars
00:55:09 ◼ ► and left and the right yeah pillar okay so it's that and and it looks like garbage and and that's
00:55:14 ◼ ► apple fitness plus for goodness sakes so i i'm curious if there's better app support so maybe
00:55:20 ◼ ► maybe maybe even some sort of quote-unquote windowing although i think that's probably a
00:55:24 ◼ ► bit aggressive uh i i just i wonder if there's more robust external display support perhaps
00:55:31 ◼ ► coming like the way i see this playing out if it were to happen at all is we get the hardware with
00:55:36 ◼ ► thunderbolt display support next week but no new software changes and it's all still the same
00:55:43 ◼ ► jankiness it is today and then at wwdc suddenly the software lands where we start getting much
00:55:48 ◼ ► better apis with much better external external display support i think the the real question has
00:55:53 ◼ ► to be like what are people actually using external displays for where is the demand there and i think
00:55:59 ◼ ► obviously you know we've heard from people like federico has tried it like we've heard from people
00:56:02 ◼ ► who have tried it and some of them still do it but it's it's not a common case and you know you
00:56:08 ◼ ► could argue is this a chicken and egg problem would more people do it if it if you could do
00:56:13 ◼ ► more with it and probably that's i'm sure that i'm sure that is part of the issue but i think unless
00:56:19 ◼ ► there is external touch screen support and people start making external touch screens and you know
00:56:25 ◼ ► if you're waiting for apple to make one i got news for you like they won't even make very many
00:56:29 ◼ ► regular screens but i think if if you had input solved on the ipad that would make more sense you
00:56:35 ◼ ► know it makes tons of sense to have lots of big screens external support for max because you're
00:56:41 ◼ ► not directly touching the screen to interact with everything so maybe on the ipad since they have
00:56:49 ◼ ► added keyboard and trackpad support and made it better over time like and they only recently have
00:56:54 ◼ ► trackpad support like maybe on the ipad trackpad support is what will make that more useful to
00:56:59 ◼ ► people because now you don't have to be touching everything to do everything on an ipad but i still
00:57:04 ◼ ► don't think it is a very big market enough for apple to really cater that much to it so i'm
00:57:10 ◼ ► honestly not predicting anything like that changing at at this time whatever the new ipads can do if
00:57:17 ◼ ► they have new hardware abilities if they if there was like a major software break if there was like
00:57:23 ◼ ► some some big new thing that the os was going to allow them to do i think we would have seen leaks
00:57:28 ◼ ► of that with ios 14.5 betas because the version of ios they're going to be running is ios 14.5
00:57:33 ◼ ► so it seems very unlikely to me that there's going to be something like that it seems like 14.5 has
00:57:39 ◼ ► been like done and ready for a while we've had i think eight betas of it so far so i i don't think
00:57:44 ◼ ► we're seeing that kind of change so i'm guessing the assuming that we're getting new ipad pros
00:57:49 ◼ ► i'm guessing the nature of how they are better is much more like hardware side than software side
00:57:56 ◼ ► and the hardware side i don't necessarily think it needs to be that much there have been the rumors
00:58:01 ◼ ► of the the mini led screen and and for that possibly only being on the larger model which i
00:58:07 ◼ ► think that's probably fine if all they do is basically a speed bump update um you know they
00:58:13 ◼ ► skip the a13 if they just go from a12x slash z to something it's a14 like uh a14x most likely is
00:58:22 ◼ ► what it would be called which should be a overall somewhat similar chip to the m1 i think that could
00:58:28 ◼ ► be a perfectly fine update and that's all it necessarily would need to be because you know
00:58:32 ◼ ► as you open up with casey the ipad pro like if you have one of the 2018 slash 2020 ish models of the
00:58:39 ◼ ► ipad pro it's still really good i use mine like it it's it's still really good and even though it is
00:58:47 ◼ ► at this point pretty old hardware it turns out it was really great then and it held up and it's
00:58:53 ◼ ► still really great today and i don't i know a lot of people who use ipads to a lot of different
00:58:58 ◼ ► degrees of power level usage but i know almost nobody who uses an ipad for anything for which
00:59:07 ◼ ► the difference between the a12x and a presumed a14x would make a huge difference to their life
00:59:12 ◼ ► because most people doing most workflows on the ipad aren't being limited by processor speed or
00:59:18 ◼ ► gpu speed that's that's not a common case as far as i can tell at least among anybody i know who
00:59:23 ◼ ► is like an ipad power user so i think it's much much more likely that this is going to be a fairly
00:59:29 ◼ ► boring spec bump update and that'll be fine that's all it really needs and i honestly i know i say
00:59:36 ◼ ► this every single time i can't imagine that i would even upgrade to it because my current ipad is
00:59:40 ◼ ► totally fine i have the same with it i have the 11 inch ipad pro from 2018 i have no issues with it
00:59:46 ◼ ► i actually don't even use it that heavily anymore ever since the m1 macbook air i've been using the
00:59:52 ◼ ► ipad a lot less since then and so i think for ipad power users it's nice to just kind of get it
00:59:57 ◼ ► updated so it's no longer so old and stale but i don't think it's going to set the world on fire
01:00:02 ◼ ► any more than the old one did because the old one was was really good and is still really good i
01:00:06 ◼ ► feel like the hardware is probably going to be out ahead of the software in the usual way like
01:00:11 ◼ ► i forgot the case you just said it before i think of like you know so you release the bumped hardware
01:00:15 ◼ ► but then the big software support if you're planning on it is announced at wwc with the big
01:00:19 ◼ ► new os in general that's been apple's move um it's apple could be changing the way it releases
01:00:26 ◼ ► features i know 14.5 has been embedded a long time but apple has had some success occasionally
01:00:32 ◼ ► hiding features from us in a beta especially if we're not looking for it if they're actually
01:00:35 ◼ ► if they actually don't leak out symbols they didn't mean to leak especially if it's like a
01:00:38 ◼ ► minor feature so there's a possibility that 14.5 could just have slightly better external display
01:00:43 ◼ ► support in a basic way but the and i haven't been keeping up with the ipad rumors so forgive me if
01:00:47 ◼ ► this is not even in the offing but i remember reading something about this a while back of and
01:00:51 ◼ ► it was already mentioned here about the ipads going to thunderbolt instead of just plain usb-c
01:00:55 ◼ ► so if you've got the inside of this ipad and it's got an a14x which looks a lot like an m1 and m1
01:01:00 ◼ ► max have thunderbolt right it's not it's not so far to of a leap to say there's some sharing of
01:01:06 ◼ ► componentry there where you can imagine an ipad with thunderbolts coming out right and i believe
01:01:11 ◼ ► that has been rumored right assuming that is you know rumored for this particular thing like marker
01:01:17 ◼ ► was saying it's a little bit tricky how do you roll out your new ipad pro with faster processor
01:01:22 ◼ ► great everyone loves that and a nicer screen it's easy to pitch that and now the usb-c port isn't
01:01:27 ◼ ► just usb-c it's thunderbolt and then what do you say about that and you can use it to well you
01:01:33 ◼ ► can't do all the cool external display stuff because that's going to require ios 15 it's not
01:01:36 ◼ ► out yet and we're not ready to announce that uh you can use external storage faster maybe you can
01:01:42 ◼ ► use the pro display xdr that way because i don't think the current one can do it yeah maybe but
01:01:47 ◼ ► like that's that's where you get into like how do you have to have some kind of better external
01:01:50 ◼ ► display support right to tout to say okay now with thunderbolt what could you do with thunderbolt
01:01:55 ◼ ► that you couldn't do before i suppose faster transfer speeds to storage but like is that a
01:02:00 ◼ ► really important use case for ipad users i don't know um and then you can drive different or better
01:02:07 ◼ ► monitors but then that requires you know i assume it requires some kind of reasonable bumps in
01:02:12 ◼ ► software support so if these things come out and have thunderbolt ports in them apple's going to
01:02:15 ◼ ► have to have something to say about it and because this is the ipad pro it's not ridiculous for them
01:02:21 ◼ ► to tout features that basically nobody needs right because it's the pro product it's their top of the
01:02:26 ◼ ► line ipad so you get the mini led screen which most people don't care about right you know i
01:02:30 ◼ ► get better black levels who cares whatever you get the faster processor which as you both said
01:02:38 ◼ ► and you get a thunderbolt port instead of usb and most ipad users probably never connect anything
01:02:42 ◼ ► there besides the charger right but this is the pro product so if there's anybody who's using an
01:02:47 ◼ ► ipad who wants more of these things that's what apple delivers so i i can see them doing a picture
01:02:54 ◼ ► of this product of saying screen's better processors faster maybe it's got more ram but
01:02:58 ◼ ► we'll never mention that and now it's got a thunderbolt port and here's two things you can do
01:03:02 ◼ ► with it um and maybe some minor additional support and 14.5 in those and then a bigger coming out you
01:03:09 ◼ ► know in the ipad users dreams a bigger coming out where you can have more than just mirroring and
01:03:14 ◼ ► you know not necessarily windows but like our external touchscreen support or whatever whatever
01:03:18 ◼ ► fantasy you have about a real pro level support for external monitors waiting until 15 but having
01:03:23 ◼ ► the groundwork laid by the hardware that we see on the 20th i think that makes sense so sitting here
01:03:30 ◼ ► today assuming you know a relatively straightforward bump and no no curveballs or anything marco do you
01:03:38 ◼ ► think you would buy a new ipad next week i don't think so honestly because i just i i don't i barely
01:03:43 ◼ ► even use the one i have anymore so like it's not and i don't see what a new one would change that
01:03:50 ◼ ► would make me say i have to have that that's fair john i'm in the market for one because i've still
01:03:55 ◼ ► got i don't even have one with face id right so i'm i haven't have any of this generation and
01:03:59 ◼ ► you're still on the ipad 3 no the the ipad pro i think first ipad pro with touch id oh the 9.7
01:04:07 ◼ ► yeah but anyway i spend a lot of time watching tv shows on my ipad believe it or not and so a better
01:04:12 ◼ ► screen does appeal to me but not enough that i'm going to buy the 12.9 to get it so remains to be
01:04:18 ◼ ► seen if if you know i don't need most of the features i just listed but i would like a newer
01:04:23 ◼ ► ipad and i would like a better screen and you know um if this has both of them i'm probably in the
01:04:29 ◼ ► market for it but there's also the potential that i would just wait until christmas and get it as a
01:04:33 ◼ ► christmas present for myself like i'm not desperate for it yeah i i think if there's something really
01:04:40 ◼ ► interesting and really exciting i i would think about it but none of the things that i've heard
01:04:45 ◼ ► rumored are my definition of interesting or exciting uh and so i i don't plan to get one
01:04:51 ◼ ► but remind me of this in a week in a day when i already have one on order all right other things
01:04:56 ◼ ► that may be coming out air tags there's been motion over the last couple of weeks with regard
01:05:00 ◼ ► to find my and the find my network and uh and i do think this is super cool the idea that you can
01:05:06 ◼ ► make a tag or a thing a dongle a widget that emits bluetooth low energy pulses beacons if you will
01:05:16 ◼ ► and literally every iphone in the world will be listening or that that has the appropriate hardware
01:05:21 ◼ ► will be listening for those pings and will take note of where that iphone is geographically when
01:05:27 ◼ ► it heard the ping and what time it was and so on and so forth and will in a private privacy
01:05:31 ◼ ► conscious way uh send that data to apple such that if you lose something you can say oh i've lost my
01:05:38 ◼ ► keys or what have you and apple can look at where what iphone or where was an iphone that has seen
01:05:46 ◼ ► that unique bluetooth low energy ping oh it was in the neighbor's yard you know 300 yards away
01:05:53 ◼ ► that's where you need to look and you can do all this without having an internet connection
01:05:57 ◼ ► on the device that's doing all the pinging away it's just pinging away and the iphones will hear it
01:06:02 ◼ ► and then they will tell apple about it using their internet connections this is very similar in spirit
01:06:06 ◼ ► to how the covid tracking api works i love this i think this is super cool i am surprised but glad
01:06:12 ◼ ► that apple has allowed third parties to get in on this uh with regard to air tags i mean i feel like
01:06:19 ◼ ► everyone has been saying for three years yep this is the one we're gonna get it this time
01:06:24 ◼ ► and i have no reason to say differently this time but i don't know we'll see what happens john are
01:06:30 ◼ ► they gonna have air tags next week i can't like the third party apple did a press release of like
01:06:35 ◼ ► look at all these third-party products they use the fine my network which by the way opening up the
01:06:38 ◼ ► find my network to third parties was i think announced last year's wwdc right oh was it i i
01:06:43 ◼ ► didn't remember it wasn't super recent yeah it's been a long time coming but like they apple did a
01:06:48 ◼ ► press release recently listing actual products here are some products that are either shipping
01:06:51 ◼ ► now or shipping soon in a week or a month or whatever that take advantage of this uh in and
01:06:57 ◼ ► so what what does that mean for air tags um does it mean that apple was kind of like coming out
01:07:03 ◼ ► ahead of time and saying well let's talk about some third-party products because on the 20th
01:07:06 ◼ ► we're just going to talk about air tags and so we want to give our partners like a boost to say
01:07:11 ◼ ► just so you don't feel bad before we steal all your limelight let's we apple will promote your
01:07:16 ◼ ► product because you're sort of premier partners the first people out of the door with these
01:07:19 ◼ ► products right and that would mean air tags are coming the flip side of that is air tags are still
01:07:23 ◼ ► not ready and apple just wants to say look this is you know that find my thing that we announced
01:07:28 ◼ ► the last year wwc it's not you know we're not doing nothing with it things have been happening
01:07:34 ◼ ► no we haven't released anything but third parties have integrated like they want a success story we
01:07:38 ◼ ► announced this find my network at wwc and then it's almost a year later we want to be able to say
01:07:42 ◼ ► hey something has come of that announcement look at these third-party products you can buy
01:07:47 ◼ ► and that would be cover for them not releasing air tags at this event because they i don't know i
01:07:53 ◼ ► don't understand why air tags are not like we don't have rumors of them catching fire like they like
01:07:59 ◼ ► the air power mat or anything right they don't seem like they would use any kind of component
01:08:04 ◼ ► or technology that is unavailable to apple maybe i'm wrong about that maybe they've you know they're
01:08:09 ◼ ► five nanometer tiny chips in there to save energy or something but it's mysterious why they haven't
01:08:14 ◼ ► been released we found so many hints of them on all sorts of software that apple has released so
01:08:18 ◼ ► it seems like you know there's traces of them in many many versions ago so it seems like they were
01:08:23 ◼ ► planned for much earlier than they have been released so i think it's a mystery it's also kind
01:08:27 ◼ ► of a mystery of like who will care that much about air tags i mean it's cool like i mean there's been
01:08:32 ◼ ► existing products in this space before and apple you know case you point out the covid tracking
01:08:37 ◼ ► thing like the basically underlying technology and the security and privacy stuff are things
01:08:40 ◼ ► that apple has talked about before um so it's like if they announce them i know there's nobody
01:08:46 ◼ ► in the room because it's all virtual now right but who's super excited about air tags at this point
01:08:52 ◼ ► no you know they don't have to be super excited about every product but it seems it seems like we
01:08:56 ◼ ► might all be burned out in air tanks and they haven't even been released yet that to me is the
01:09:01 ◼ ► funniest thing it's like we we are so excited about this product it's very similar to air power what
01:09:05 ◼ ► happened with that which is like air power was a charging mat that's not super exciting really if
01:09:11 ◼ ► in the grand scheme of things like apple releases all sorts of little accessories that aren't super
01:09:15 ◼ ► exciting that don't get much attention from from the press but like when they're when they're
01:09:20 ◼ ► seemed like there's some weird story like what happened why isn't this being released then it
01:09:25 ◼ ► becomes interesting so yeah air tags i mean i'm sure some people will find them incredibly useful
01:09:32 ◼ ► i've i'm not usually in the market i've never there's all these things like tile trackers
01:09:36 ◼ ► in the space that have already existed for years and i've never used any of those things because
01:09:40 ◼ ► i don't i don't really i'm not really in the market but if apple made them yeah i'd probably
01:09:44 ◼ ► buy a few i'd probably put like put them like on our bikes maybe in my backpack i put one there
01:09:49 ◼ ► and that's maybe that's about it i don't know like i i don't lose stuff that often i don't know but
01:09:54 ◼ ► it's a cool idea for a product i like you i think the the tech involved to make it happen with the
01:10:01 ◼ ► huge network of phones that i think was very clearly related to the exposure tracking stuff
01:10:06 ◼ ► um i think that's just a cool it's a cool technical idea but this is a product that they're
01:10:12 ◼ ► going to release and maybe we'll buy a few of them and then we'll probably never talk about them again
01:10:16 ◼ ► i mean but find my existence on a max forever like it's not like the covid tracking is the first time
01:10:21 ◼ ► they did find my right it's all isn't this all the same tech in the same you know system right um
01:10:28 ◼ ► i think this using bluetooth le to to do like a giant worldwide mesh network of finding things
01:10:33 ◼ ► i think that's new so the max do you use wi-fi for i just assume the max were using bluetooth as
01:10:38 ◼ ► well but maybe not i don't think so no i thought that they were using you know an internet
01:10:41 ◼ ► connection like wi-fi or you know ethernet if they happen to be plugged in i'm not confident
01:10:45 ◼ ► i'm right about that but yes i thought up until the covid tracking and now find my i didn't think
01:10:51 ◼ ► that there was anything that was run via bluetooth low energy i thought everything required an
01:10:56 ◼ ► internet connection and and required you know an onboard gps even and and i very well could be
01:11:02 ◼ ► wrong about that but that was my understanding oh yeah it might be some hybrid type system but
01:11:06 ◼ ► here's the thing about all these features right the use case is i can't find my thing right and
01:11:12 ◼ ► that use case i'm not it's it's a real use case but it's not a it's another use case that people
01:11:18 ◼ ► get excited about because if you've lost something you're already kind of in a distressing situation
01:11:23 ◼ ► you want to avoid losing things it's not like it you know it's i was gonna make another destiny
01:11:28 ◼ ► analogy but make too many of those and no one will get it but it's it's not fun to think about
01:11:35 ◼ ► something that helps you out when you are in a situation you're already unhappy about right it's
01:11:39 ◼ ► much more fun to think about a thing that can help you do something you're excited to do so like say
01:11:43 ◼ ► you're an artist and the apple pencil comes out you're excited about that because you already
01:11:47 ◼ ► like drawing and this can help you do a thing you already like to do more or better right nobody
01:11:51 ◼ ► likes to lose things right and even though you'll be thankful that this is around when you have to
01:11:57 ◼ ► find something you have to get into a distressed state before you get to use this product at all
01:12:02 ◼ ► so it's kind of like buying insurance a certain type a certain personality type may be super
01:12:07 ◼ ► excited to buy air tech and put it on all their items so they can be excited when they lose
01:12:11 ◼ ► something to find it again but i think for a lot of people this is not uh this is not a product
01:12:16 ◼ ► with a lot of sizzle unless there's more to it than we know but we'll see i mean it's almost
01:12:20 ◼ ► like being a prepper like you want things to go wrong so you can use it yeah and again some people
01:12:26 ◼ ► some people like to be well prepared and have things organized and they get excited the first
01:12:30 ◼ ► time they get to use it but i don't i'm not sure that's the common case and what this has me
01:12:34 ◼ ► thinking of like in our document here the next thing we have as potential announcements are
01:12:38 ◼ ► arv or you know goggle things and new max right and it starts to tail off in the things that we
01:12:44 ◼ ► have sort of solid rumors of as far as i know again i haven't been keeping up with this but
01:12:49 ◼ ► is like are are ipads and air tags even assuming air tags are real is that enough for an entire
01:12:55 ◼ ► event what if there's no air tags and it's just ipads is that enough for an event ipads plus
01:13:00 ◼ ► 14.5 uh i i'm really hard pressed to think of what the other thing would be in this uh obviously if
01:13:09 ◼ ► it's arv our goggles then there needs to be nothing else because that would be just a gigantic deal
01:13:13 ◼ ► and they would make such a huge deal about it you know i don't think we're getting anything
01:13:16 ◼ ► arv are related yeah and then of course there's uh you know new max which at any time you can
01:13:22 ◼ ► roll out new max with the arm processors because we really have no idea what that pipeline looks
01:13:27 ◼ ► like and we know uh they're you know that there are still max out there that they could release
01:13:32 ◼ ► with not much of a radical change from the current max and they release you could release a low-end
01:13:37 ◼ ► imac as your first arm based imac that doesn't that has a processor that is m1 ish and it would
01:13:42 ◼ ► be fine uh like but again i haven't heard any rumors about that i'm i don't want to read anything
01:13:47 ◼ ► in the title but it says it's supposed to be loaded now i asked for a loaded baked potato
01:13:50 ◼ ► and it just comes with ipads on it i feel like i've been disappointed yeah i don't know i i hear
01:13:56 ◼ ► what you're saying i think it is certainly possible that we'll get some mac of some flavor
01:14:02 ◼ ► at this event i certainly do not think we're going to get anything goggles at all all that
01:14:06 ◼ ► being said though the last couple of events they haven't been the two-hour jam-packed extravaganzas
01:14:12 ◼ ► that they were when people were there now that apple has embraced a more quick and concise event
01:14:19 ◼ ► i think air pads and or excuse me ipads and air tags might be enough like that and and maybe
01:14:26 ◼ ► something about it yeah i was gonna say that and something about ios 14.5 and that's an hour right
01:14:32 ◼ ► yeah you've been right that they like they don't feel the need to make it worth your while to at
01:14:35 ◼ ► least fill 90 minutes it's like if they only have if they only have 57 minutes worth of content you
01:14:39 ◼ ► get 57 minutes worth of content right yeah even though they could theoretically have an event
01:14:45 ◼ ► that's 10 minutes long and because it's all digital and everything i don't think they would
01:14:49 ◼ ► i i think they they like having you know saving it up for when you can make a bigger splash that's
01:14:55 ◼ ► always been their style i think it always will be their style so i i think there's going to be because
01:14:59 ◼ ► and i agree like so far unless again like unless there's some massive thing about the ipads that
01:15:05 ◼ ► has not been rumored and that there's been no software leaks for i don't think the ipads are
01:15:10 ◼ ► that interesting honestly i think the same thing about air tags you know it's interesting products
01:15:15 ◼ ► on a very shallow level but uh you know not super exciting for an event so i do agree with your
01:15:21 ◼ ► inclinations that it is probably more than just that being announced um 14.5 i think will have
01:15:27 ◼ ► some time obviously i do think they're going to push hard on the value of the app store if not
01:15:33 ◼ ► directly maybe indirectly because i they're in a pretty significant pr battle with the world about
01:15:38 ◼ ► that right now so i i do think they're going to use this event to push on that a little bit to say
01:15:46 ◼ ► abstract and transparency feature and here's how much it's going to protect everyone's privacy
01:15:49 ◼ ► here's why it's so important we really believe in this blah blah so that i think is a shoe-in
01:15:54 ◼ ► um there are a couple features there's there's the mask unlock which i think they might even they
01:15:57 ◼ ► might mention that in the event because that's new to 14.5 and that's pretty useful to a lot of
01:16:01 ◼ ► people right now so that i can see them you know doing mask watch unlock thing uh but again like
01:16:08 ◼ ► we're not we're not reaching like loaded level here so i've got i've got an idea that rumor that
01:16:13 ◼ ► fits with the ipad things uh i mean it's a long shot but uh the uh external non-6k display that
01:16:19 ◼ ► you could use with your new thunderbolt ipad that's interesting yeah it's not a six thousand
01:16:24 ◼ ► dollar display it fits with the event because like now apple finally finds because like what you got
01:16:28 ◼ ► this ipad what display you're supposed to use it with before apple didn't sell one except for the
01:16:31 ◼ ► xdr which is too big and you know expensive uh so now there is this if they're ever going to do a
01:16:38 ◼ ► display like that this would be a reasonable event for them to announce that because what are they
01:16:41 ◼ ► going to do announce it at the mac mini event right like it's what do you well yeah but
01:16:47 ◼ ► there is no mac mini event like they could do it with when they released uh laptops but they already
01:16:53 ◼ ► released laptops or at least one round of laptops and they didn't you know it's a long shot but at
01:16:56 ◼ ► least it would fit with the event i also think we might be under underestimating i mean this ties
01:17:01 ◼ ► into your sort of app store rah rah stuff underestimating how much time apple may be willing
01:17:07 ◼ ► to burn demonstrating applications for the ipad pro that they think are reflect well on it as a
01:17:15 ◼ ► platform oh they love that stuff right and so in in person ones they would burn more time than we
01:17:20 ◼ ► would want they'd go to the ar table they'd have five game demos we'd all just like right and they
01:17:26 ◼ ► don't need to do that in the virtual ones but they do want to say like to answer the question what can
01:17:30 ◼ ► i do with these new ipad pros and that's the perfect time to tout out a bunch of you know big
01:17:35 ◼ ► third-party companies that have amazing new products that wouldn't be possible without the
01:17:38 ◼ ► power of the a14x and that burns up a lot of time and so you there you do your ipads and you're 14.5
01:17:44 ◼ ► and you're already at like 36 minutes right and then you just need one other thing to to fill it
01:17:49 ◼ ► out to have a reasonable size event i think waiting for the external smaller display i think
01:17:55 ◼ ► we have a longer wait for that because the the latest rumor on that was from a few months back
01:17:59 ◼ ► and it basically said like they were starting to work on one but the thing is like you know
01:18:04 ◼ ► i mean depending on what they do the whole point of this one is you don't have to try that hard
01:18:08 ◼ ► in this one apple you don't you don't need to make a miniature xdr you just need to make
01:18:12 ◼ ► buy an lcd from somebody but you know and put it oh yeah but that's not how they do things i mean
01:18:18 ◼ ► look when they made the new mac pro we know when they started working on that i know but it but
01:18:22 ◼ ► it's so much it's so much harder to do the xdr like i i feel like the only the only reason apple
01:18:27 ◼ ► couldn't have a you know essentially an external 5k display ready right now is because it's not
01:18:34 ◼ ► as a high priority honestly i don't think it is a high priority if they're ever going to do it at
01:18:37 ◼ ► all they might as well just wait until like the pro laptops come out or whatever but it would tie
01:18:42 ◼ ► in with the ipad announcement so if it happens that you know oh it turns out this product came
01:18:46 ◼ ► together faster than we thought uh this is a reasonable time to announce it especially if
01:18:50 ◼ ► there's any kind of better external display support so here's the question max then at this
01:18:56 ◼ ► event now wbdc is in a couple of months now it's it's my opinion that apple does not actually
01:19:03 ◼ ► like announcing hardware at wbdc because they have so many software platforms these days that they
01:19:09 ◼ ► want to cram as much in about how great their software is as possible during that time because
01:19:14 ◼ ► that's wbc is really the celebration of here's what the next year of software is going to be like
01:19:19 ◼ ► look at these look at this cool software it's usually not a hardware focused event my theory is
01:19:25 ◼ ► maybe what we expected to come at wbc i think namely the 15-inch macbook pro with the m1 or m1x
01:19:35 ◼ ► whatever it would be maybe that's going to come here because you know if you're going to really
01:19:40 ◼ ► jam-pack an event i think you're going to need some max in this event and the imac with apple
01:19:47 ◼ ► silicon i think i think that's a shoe in i think we're almost certain to get that at this event
01:19:52 ◼ ► and once you have you know assuming that the higher end imax with m1s would have some kind
01:19:58 ◼ ► of m1x variant because it's it's a higher end computer you'd probably want more cores and
01:20:02 ◼ ► everything well that's probably going to be the exact same chip that they put in the 15-inch or
01:20:09 ◼ ► 16-inch macbook pro so they would presumably maybe be able to announce those two products at the same
01:20:15 ◼ ► time and so maybe this is the event that we get the imac with apple silicon and the 16-inch macbook
01:20:23 ◼ ► pro once you add all that together that would be that would be loaded react because because
01:20:30 ◼ ► especially because the rumor is that the that the new laptops are going to have a case redesign i
01:20:34 ◼ ► believe with this generation isn't that the current rumor it was months ago i haven't seen that
01:20:39 ◼ ► recently but yes it certainly was being said that like the next 15-inch is going to get the new
01:20:44 ◼ ► design right so if there's an if there's a 16 if there's even a 14 who knows but if there's if
01:20:49 ◼ ► there's a new 16 and a new you know high end 13 slash 14 pro and imax and ipad pros and air tags
01:20:58 ◼ ► and 14.5 that's a loaded event well i just gotta cut off the tags here's the problem the one is i
01:21:05 ◼ ► want max this is the product i care about the most here so it's hard for me to believe in them the
01:21:09 ◼ ► second is our entire sort of like past oh i don't know like you know several decades of uh sort of
01:21:17 ◼ ► sensing when new max are coming we've always had external cues right and so like what intel chips
01:21:25 ◼ ► are available how old are the is the hardware in the stuff that we're using now what could what is
01:21:30 ◼ ► possible out there in the competitive landscape and arm based max have screwed all that up because
01:21:34 ◼ ► first of all our max are already far ahead of everybody else in performance so it's not like
01:21:38 ◼ ► we're still like oh they gotta release new max because the because the max are so slow it's like
01:21:42 ◼ ► well yeah the intel ones but like we that's not a problem second thing is we have no idea what
01:21:46 ◼ ► apple's roadmaps are for its own chips that literally no one else in the entire world is
01:21:50 ◼ ► allowed to use so they're really good at keeping those things secret so it's like how do you judge
01:21:54 ◼ ► when like when is when are the next round of max available why weren't they available when the
01:22:00 ◼ ► original ones come out when are they planned it's entirely up to apple there's there's so little to
01:22:04 ◼ ► grab on to in the external world to say well based on sort of the landscape of the parts that go into
01:22:10 ◼ ► intel based laptops we think now combined with apple's normal sort of cadence is is the time to
01:22:17 ◼ ► expect laptops like the only thing that we can say i think the only thing we have to hang on to here
01:22:23 ◼ ► and even this is tenuous it's like okay well they're not releasing the arm mac pro at this
01:22:26 ◼ ► event right because that because that is we think they have a lot the biggest uh challenge they have
01:22:31 ◼ ► is how do you how do you do that we talk about many many times right but almost all their other
01:22:36 ◼ ► computers we know exactly how they would do it we kind of know what it would look like and why don't
01:22:40 ◼ ► we have them now because apple decided this is the order they're doing things for whatever reason
01:22:44 ◼ ► right uh and so it's so hard to predict when you know what what the cadence of max stuff's gonna be
01:22:51 ◼ ► uh i hope that it is as you predicted but i i was looking at this lineup and saying i put new max
01:22:58 ◼ ► below ar vr goggles just because i felt like well at least ar vr goggles is is one thing and it's
01:23:03 ◼ ► is you know important to those are probably wac anyway like who knows who knows they could just
01:23:07 ◼ ► decide not to release those because the stupid vr rumors like yeah this is the 15th headset that
01:23:11 ◼ ► they've had floating around apple but are they gonna release it as a product i don't know so
01:23:15 ◼ ► i i'm having having so much trouble sort of pinning down what the cadence of max are it will
01:23:22 ◼ ► get easier as the two-year time limit comes up on us because then it's gonna be like well apple said
01:23:26 ◼ ► two years and they usually try to hit their dates and again it doesn't seem like there's any reason
01:23:30 ◼ ► they would miss it for anything except for anything except for the mac pro but right now we're kind of
01:23:34 ◼ ► in the middle so it would be a good time for another round of max to come out but so would
01:23:38 ◼ ► wwdc and i agree with marco that in general they don't want to sort of overwhelm wwc with max but
01:23:45 ◼ ► they've done it before i mean the original retina 15 inch was wwc wasn't it so yep you know as was
01:23:50 ◼ ► the 10.5 inch ipad pro right and and they made a big stink about it and it was like well that's
01:23:55 ◼ ► just sometimes that's just how the timing works out so um yeah i'm rooting for maps but i i can't
01:24:02 ◼ ► bring myself to believe it i don't know i i still think this is going to be a shorter event and i
01:24:10 ◼ ► think it's going to be more focused than that but i would be very pleased to be wrong and i would be
01:24:16 ◼ ► very pleased to see new max show up among many other things oh it's probably also going to be
01:24:21 ◼ ► you know stupid stuff like new watch band colors yeah that's true yeah maybe i don't i don't know i
01:24:25 ◼ ► can i haven't been keeping up with the rumors but like yeah there's there's room for little things
01:24:30 ◼ ► like that but i think apple does want to have some kind of coherence to the event and apple is not
01:24:35 ◼ ► above releasing things that minor without an event so if new watch band colors are out they'll just
01:24:41 ◼ ► have a press release and everyone will see the new watch band colors they do it every season right
01:24:44 ◼ ► oh maybe here's kind of a wild card maybe we get a retail update from diezra o'brien to slowly over
01:24:53 ◼ ► time increase her public presence so that people get used to her as a possible future ceo but people
01:25:02 ◼ ► care about retail apple stores in these covid times like that seems like a time filler for
01:25:06 ◼ ► an in-person event more than something they would put in the virtual one maybe she could say how
01:25:10 ◼ ► how well they've handled this and how they've enabled people all around the world to you know
01:25:15 ◼ ► get their stuff done and everything because i i honestly i do the more research i do the more i
01:25:20 ◼ ► think deodor o'brien is very high on the list of future ceos and i think they're going to want to
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01:27:38 ◼ ► writes should one buy a single home pod or a dual home pod mini and well i'll ask you guys to answer
01:27:45 ◼ ► that in a moment josh also writes given that they already have a single home pod should they get a
01:27:51 ◼ ► second home pod or a dual home pod mini for reference josh writes they're not an audio file
01:27:57 ◼ ► they just like listening to music in their kitchen and at low to moderate volumes so coming back to
01:28:02 ◼ ► the two questions marco single home pod or dual home pod mini no question i would take a dual setup
01:28:10 ◼ ► anytime even even if each one individually doesn't sound as good as the big home pod i would greatly
01:28:17 ◼ ► prefer a dual home pod mini if my only other option was a single home pod now the second part
01:28:22 ◼ ► of the question complicates matters josh already has a single big home pod so the question is really
01:28:29 ◼ ► a second big one for 300 or replacing it with two little ones for 200 the good news is there's
01:28:37 ◼ ► plenty of big home pods in stock still only in white they were potentially manufactured in 2017
01:28:42 ◼ ► but apple cannot get rid of them yes so maybe you can get a deal yes so um i would say under the
01:28:49 ◼ ► condition if your first home pod is white and therefore you get it matching because i couldn't
01:28:55 ◼ ► bear a mismatch i would say get get a second big home pod because what you're basically getting is
01:29:02 ◼ ► for an extra hundred bucks over the other options you already own one uh it's just 100 more would
01:29:08 ◼ ► get you a way better sounding stereo pair than the like replacing it with two home pod menus that
01:29:15 ◼ ► being said obviously there's other factors like if you have a use for the first one somewhere else in
01:29:20 ◼ ► the house and then maybe you you know maybe you use a dual home pod minis in the current place
01:29:24 ◼ ► for the first one isn't you then you can get it in another room with the you know quote old first one
01:29:29 ◼ ► that's fine too but two big home pods sound way better than two home pod minis and two of either
01:29:37 ◼ ► one is better than one of the other one all right john single home pod or dual home pod mini and if
01:29:45 ◼ ► you already had one big home pod would you get a second big one or two new little ones i just
01:29:50 ◼ ► assume this is a question for marco i have no opinion on any of this because i've never heard
01:29:54 ◼ ► any kind of dual home pod setup mini or otherwise so i uh i really have no idea but honestly i've
01:30:00 ◼ ► had to just give a suggestion i would say find a cheap big home pod mini or big home pod rather and
01:30:06 ◼ ► add it to your existing one because you've already got the one you already bit the bullet you already
01:30:08 ◼ ► did the hard thing which is paid probably full price for the big one find another big one that's
01:30:13 ◼ ► my suggestion have you ever watched tv with a like full-blown home theater system i sure have
01:30:20 ◼ ► have you ever watched tv on your phone i sure have okay do you do you realize that there's a
01:30:27 ◼ ► difference in the audio quality but none of these home pods have surround speakers so it's not apple
01:30:32 ◼ ► no but what when you compare one point to multiple points heck even you know what compare it to a
01:30:39 ◼ ► soundbar everyone's favorite thing the soundbar okay compare the way tv sounds with just a soundbar
01:30:46 ◼ ► versus how it sounds with left and right dedicated speakers i don't even care about the rears
01:30:52 ◼ ► just left and right dedicated speakers versus a soundbar in the middle left and right speakers
01:30:56 ◼ ► sound way better way better the reality is like when you i mean we covered this before so i won't
01:31:01 ◼ ► go into it in too much detail but just like so many products now try to boast the ability to
01:31:08 ◼ ► you know fill a space or filler room with sound from a single broadcast point from like one speaker
01:31:14 ◼ ► in the middle and to fill an area with sound and it just the physics are so against you for that
01:31:20 ◼ ► there are small tricks you can pull that make it sound a little bit better but not very good and
01:31:25 ◼ ► nowhere near as good as it sounds from two regular speakers spaced apart so that they form an actual
01:31:32 ◼ ► like stereo separation the physics are just totally against you for any any kind of like
01:31:38 ◼ ► simulated thing from one point and and i would in general like two mediocre speakers that are
01:31:44 ◼ ► actually put in proper locations are way better than one of this the best speaker in the world
01:31:50 ◼ ► stuck in the middle kuminajii writes is the blank carbon copy feature in email actually useful the
01:31:56 ◼ ► only time i see it being used it's because i'm trying to figure out how some random discussion
01:32:00 ◼ ► or work distribution list broke through all my filters into my inbox do you use this feature
01:32:04 ◼ ► if so how i do use this from time to time i used to use it more often i feel in a professional
01:32:11 ◼ ► setting because a lot of times i would send an email to myself that i wanted copied to a bunch
01:32:16 ◼ ► of people but i didn't want the whole chain email chain going on forever occasionally i'll use this
01:32:23 ◼ ► if i want aaron to be aware of something like often like child or house related but they don't
01:32:28 ◼ ► but aaron doesn't necessarily need to be officially cc'd on the email just it's more of like a hey
01:32:33 ◼ ► fyi this is something that happened um i i definitely use it from time to time i wouldn't
01:32:39 ◼ ► say i use it terribly often though john what's your status on bccing people i mean i'm surprised
01:32:46 ◼ ► that uh people don't use it more because it is exactly the right tool for one specific job which
01:32:50 ◼ ► is you want to email a bunch of people and you don't want to to be vulnerable to the dreaded
01:32:56 ◼ ► reply all right so anytime this happens more at work i suppose but even if you're just like
01:33:00 ◼ ► planning a family outing and you know pre-covid times whatever you know or in the future when
01:33:05 ◼ ► you're all vaccinated who knows um if you have to mail email a bunch of people it's there's always
01:33:11 ◼ ► gonna once the group gets big enough there's always gonna be one person that does reply all
01:33:14 ◼ ► and then we're off to the races right and now a bunch of people got emails they're not interested
01:33:17 ◼ ► in and it's just like depending on how it goes down whether it's family or friends or co-workers
01:33:22 ◼ ► it can resolve itself in all different ways but it's always annoying right so bcc is the solution
01:33:26 ◼ ► to that it's basically telling your email client here's a list of people send each one of these
01:33:31 ◼ ► people their own separate email uh and then in that email don't list any of the other people
01:33:36 ◼ ► that i sent it to because they don't need to know that so if they reply it will just come back to
01:33:39 ◼ ► you the sender and won't annoy any of the other people and that's what bcc i don't know if that's
01:33:44 ◼ ► what it's for but that's what it should be used for in in all cases i know it's weird especially
01:33:49 ◼ ► when you with how email clients handle this and especially if people who like put themselves in
01:33:53 ◼ ► the two line and everyone else in the bcc line you can end up with getting emails that you don't
01:33:58 ◼ ► quite understand how or why you got it but if you look at the headers you can usually figure it out
01:34:02 ◼ ► but it's it's kind of it's not for you it's it's for the sender to be spared the dreaded reply all
01:34:06 ◼ ► well but it could be for you in the sense that like if you're in a situation where it's kind of an
01:34:11 ◼ ► a like informal mailing list where you're not being you know you're not being mailed by like
01:34:15 ◼ ► an actual big mailer like you know some big mailing list service but like maybe like you're
01:34:20 ◼ ► the teacher of your kid's school has a mailing list of like the 20 parents in the room or whatever
01:34:26 ◼ ► it's useful when in that context when somebody wants to send out a you know a semi-formal mailing
01:34:32 ◼ ► list to a bunch of people without revealing to them everyone else's email address like and so
01:34:38 ◼ ► it's very useful for that in these kind of like you know informal mailing list notification or
01:34:41 ◼ ► situations yeah yeah that's exactly what i said when you that's the you don't want it where you
01:34:45 ◼ ► don't want it's not just the reply all whether it's like it looks like it was just an email
01:34:49 ◼ ► sent to you so you don't even know who else they sent it to right yeah that's the thing where it's
01:34:53 ◼ ► like so you you you are protecting the the email addresses and identities of everyone else who got
01:35:01 ◼ ► introducing people to things and then moving them to the bcc on the reply like there's little
01:35:05 ◼ ► conventions people come up with so it it's used there are totally very useful and very common uses
01:35:11 ◼ ► for it but i think the the informal mailing list or kind of like the ad hoc mailing list is the
01:35:18 ◼ ► best use case for it although your example is unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually
01:35:23 ◼ ► happens anytime the school mails things they will never use bc they will always use to the two line
01:35:27 ◼ ► or the cc line and both of which will reveal everyone's email address to everyone else and
01:35:31 ◼ ► it's just a thing we have to live with because that's sometimes how things goes down at schools
01:35:35 ◼ ► one of the many dysfunctions of email indeed uh abel demose writes with the recent announcement
01:35:42 ◼ ► of the arm v9 architecture how long will it be before we see apple use this architecture and chips
01:35:51 ◼ ► apple has used in its various processors but there are different versions and apple has used a bunch
01:35:56 ◼ ► of different ones if you use if you've been a developer for ios devices for a long time you're
01:36:00 ◼ ► probably familiar with the architecture choices that you've had in various pop-up menus in xcode
01:36:04 ◼ ► or whatever i think the 64-bit transition was essentially arm v8 uh to this day apple uses a
01:36:10 ◼ ► variant of arm version 8 which they call arm 64 and most of their you know command line tools and
01:36:16 ◼ ► everything arm v9 is a newer version one of those and the reason i think this is interesting is
01:36:21 ◼ ► there is still kind of an open question um about where apple is going to go with its instruction
01:36:29 ◼ ► sets uh like who bought arm did nvidia buy arm i didn't think so yeah anyway uh it doesn't really
01:36:36 ◼ ► matter apple's got an architectural license they can continue to make arm chips or whatever but
01:36:39 ◼ ► uh give an apple certainly has influence in the arm instruction sets and has had influence in the
01:36:55 ◼ ► right apple doesn't call its max arm max i keep calling them that right but they calls them
01:37:01 ◼ ► apple silicon max that opens the door for apple at any time to say hey the next round of apple
01:37:06 ◼ ► silicon max use the next round of apple chips and do does anyone know or care whether they're
01:37:12 ◼ ► compatible with arm v10 arm v11 arm v12 arm it's not relevant to a mac user because the entire
01:37:18 ◼ ► ecosystem is a compiler toolchain development platform that targets apple silicon right and
01:37:25 ◼ ► it's not like apple would make things a new set of apple silicon max incompatible with the existing
01:37:29 ◼ ► ones they would be backward compatible the same way arm v9 is backward compatible and can run
01:37:34 ◼ ► binaries and arm v8 and arm v7 or whatever you know like it's not like they would have to break
01:37:38 ◼ ► any kind of compatibility because they're not arm chips they're apple silicon chips right so
01:37:44 ◼ ► i think apple will use arm v9 probably just because it's been in the pipeline for a while
01:37:50 ◼ ► and apple had influence on it and it's the next logical step for its next line of chips but the
01:37:54 ◼ ► real question is how long does this go on um or does apple start going its own way because from
01:38:00 ◼ ► the outside only tech nerds know that apple already hasn't gone its own way oh don't they make their
01:38:04 ◼ ► own chips what do you mean they're arm chips no they're apple silicon right i think that door is
01:38:08 ◼ ► open to apple whenever it wants and i think the only thing that would drive it to wanting to do
01:38:13 ◼ ► that is if it if it desires control that it doesn't currently have over the direction of the arm
01:38:19 ◼ ► architecture right so i think apple had plenty of influence on arm v9 but uh stay tuned in the next
01:38:27 ◼ ► i don't know what the cadence of these things is in the next year two or three to see if apple
01:38:31 ◼ ► starts uh branching off and i and i feel like the only way we would know is reading between the
01:38:37 ◼ ► lines of some apple presentation about one of the new processors and then after everyone gets them
01:38:41 ◼ ► and realizes hey wait a second this is technically not exactly the same as arm v10 or 11 it's some
01:38:47 ◼ ► apple thing do you think that might hurt them in the future like if they diverge or if they if they
01:38:52 ◼ ► just stop you know accepting updates from from the arm architecture stuff um do you think in the
01:38:58 ◼ ► future that might hurt them in the sense that like you know software that's made to build on on linux
01:39:03 ◼ ► arm servers would now need even more special handling for building an apple environment
01:39:07 ◼ ► i mean that was another item that i was actually going to put in fall whatever but parallels now
01:39:12 ◼ ► runs uh windows the the arm version of windows in virtualization on arm max right you can actually
01:39:18 ◼ ► you can actually run you know because there is an arm version of windows and apparently parallels
01:39:21 ◼ ► did whatever combined with microsoft did what it took to make that happen right wait do is there
01:39:25 ◼ ► anyone who wants to run arm windows it's a separate question but yeah like is it like can
01:39:30 ◼ ► you do anything useful and does any software run on that that you'd actually want that i mean that's
01:39:35 ◼ ► that's the question that i feel like apple would be grappling with in terms of breaking compatibility
01:39:38 ◼ ► because there's no reason that apple a new apple silicon chip that technically is an arm v10
01:39:43 ◼ ► it might run all arm software perfectly right because it's you know it's just that they added
01:39:47 ◼ ► like one or two new instructions that only apple stuff adds to you know whatever like there are
01:39:51 ◼ ► many ways that apple can diverge while still maintaining compatibility witness amd versus
01:39:56 ◼ ► intel at various times they've had you know what uh well i don't know if they ever had different
01:40:01 ◼ ► simd stuff but like there are lots of different things about intel and amd chips but in general
01:40:05 ◼ ► they're both x86 or x86 64 compatible right so there's some there's some leeway there but what
01:40:11 ◼ ► really matters is what out you know what you just said mark what is it that's out there that's worth
01:40:16 ◼ ► being compatible with in the arm world right we still don't know if arm will just sweep through
01:40:23 ◼ ► the entire industry and like all pcs will be arm and all server chips will be arm in that case it's
01:40:27 ◼ ► is really advantageous to sort of stay on the arm train even if you're kind of off doing your own
01:40:32 ◼ ► thing just to say oh we are arm compatible because you want to be in that ecosystem because it is an
01:40:37 ◼ ► ecosystem but as things stand now windows is x86 the server is still mostly x86 with arm trying
01:40:44 ◼ ► to make inroads there microsoft is trying to put windows on arm but it's not setting the world on
01:40:48 ◼ ► fire and so it's an open question is there anything arm related that is worthwhile for apple
01:40:54 ◼ ► specifically to stay compatible with so i think this is a you know apple should wait and see
01:40:59 ◼ ► because it's not clear which direction this is going in three to five years it should be clear
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01:42:27 ◼ ► what did you end up doing about you you decided you are or not going to repair your tesla for
01:42:35 ◼ ► hilarious amounts of money um it is currently being negotiated between the body shop and my
01:42:40 ◼ ► insurance company so i don't know they haven't begun the work yet because they can't agree on
01:42:45 ◼ ► what the work should be and what it should cost so we'll see that's i have nothing to report yet
01:42:49 ◼ ► on that front all right look at the most anticlimactic repair because it's gonna you're
01:42:53 ◼ ► gonna get by a car that looks almost exactly like the car that you got with some minor scratches gone
01:42:57 ◼ ► i yeah i'm the the amount of effort and time and somebody's money whether it's mine or theirs
01:43:04 ◼ ► that's going to go into repairing like three scratches but it it makes me crazy but they're
01:43:11 ◼ ► really big scratches and if i turn the car into the end of the lease they're going to charge me
01:43:15 ◼ ► big money for those because they're it is significant damage even though it's it looks very
01:43:20 ◼ ► small so you know i i do have to get it fixed if i want to protect my future money and right now
01:43:27 ◼ ► insurance will possibly maybe cover possibly some or all of it um so we're getting there yeah i
01:43:34 ◼ ► think it'll probably work out and i think it's smart to make insurance pay for it because you
01:43:37 ◼ ► know so it's a clear it's a clear situation car hit when parked right just yeah done and let them
01:43:44 ◼ ► argue amongst themselves to you know because here's the thing no matter how they do it it will be fine
01:43:48 ◼ ► probably like it's not it's not an important mechanical part there's not any kind of safety
01:43:52 ◼ ► concern it's purely cosmetic resolve the cosmetic issue in any kind of reasonable way which is
01:43:57 ◼ ► eminently possible it'll be fine yeah and and i and like i'm not a big picky car person like if
01:44:04 ◼ ► if they like paint it in a certain way that's like subpar to car nerds i wouldn't even notice
01:44:10 ◼ ► like whatever fix they do as it sits there in the parking lot yeah like as long as it's enough to
01:44:15 ◼ ► pass least turn inspection i don't care how they do it like i couldn't care less like i decided
01:44:21 ◼ ► years ago i decided that i'm no longer going to even bother trying to treat my cars incredibly
01:44:28 ◼ ► preciously like my cars are tools for me and if it gets a little scuff here and there i don't really
01:44:34 ◼ ► care as long as it's not going to like cause problems for me in some way um i you know i go
01:44:39 ◼ ► through automatic car washes now i you know i just i don't care do you not remember the time that you
01:44:45 ◼ ► came to visit me in the m5 and i had to somewhat teach you how to wash your own car how quickly we
01:44:50 ◼ ► forget oh i didn't forget i just chose not to do it it turns out washing your own car is a very
01:44:56 ◼ ► tedious and time-consuming thing for which i don't get the appropriate level of corresponding
01:45:02 ◼ ► enjoyment or satisfaction to make it worth it oh gosh i'm just giving casey nightmares about swirl
01:45:06 ◼ ► marks yeah you know actually you say that i i like having a clean car but i actually am closer to
01:45:15 ◼ ► marco than i'm giving myself credit for in that you know if there is i don't want to say damage
01:45:22 ◼ ► but like things like a swirl mark it it happens like whatever it is what it is and the i as i get
01:45:30 ◼ ► older i in coincidentally as i have more money with which to keep my cars perfect i realize that
01:45:35 ◼ ► cars will never be perfect and there's nothing you can do so for example i don't remember if i talked
01:45:39 ◼ ► about it on the show but early on in quarantine uh deckland dragged his car his bike against the
01:45:45 ◼ ► front of my car and so there's a gouge in the well not a gouge that's probably dramatic but there's a
01:45:50 ◼ ► scratch a scratch you can feel like that you can definitely feel in my front bumper and it's been
01:45:56 ◼ ► like that probably almost a year now and i'd like to get it fixed at some point but you know what it
01:46:01 ◼ ► is what it is it bothers me but not so much that i'm running to a body shop to get it repaired and
01:46:07 ◼ ► i like i very very much like my cars being clean which is yet another reason why the season of
01:46:12 ◼ ► pollen all the things is is just awful for me because not only does it make me have the sniffles
01:46:20 ◼ ► not only does pollen jump under my hard contact lenses and feel like pins are stabbing me in the
01:46:25 ◼ ► eye but my cars are only ever clean for five minutes at a time and that drives me bananas but
01:46:30 ◼ ► nevertheless i i am very i i treat them preciously in the sense that i like them to be clean i like
01:46:37 ◼ ► their tires to be shiny i like their wheels to be as brake dust free as they can get but if there
01:46:43 ◼ ► are imperfections they're imperfections and you know that's the way it's gonna have to be i hate
01:46:48 ◼ ► to tell you how long it's been since i've washed my car but we moved to the beach like last may
01:46:57 ◼ ► and since then like because i know that i'm always a short time away from just driving back to the
01:47:05 ◼ ► beach and parking it in that parking lot for a month or whatever i never think it's worth washing
01:47:10 ◼ ► it because like what am i gonna like i'm not gonna wash it and then go leave it in a parking lot to
01:47:13 ◼ ► get rained on for you know two weeks like that that's stupid so i just haven't gotten a car wash
01:47:20 ◼ ► in well over a year i mean because because you know before that was a few months of quarantine
01:47:25 ◼ ► like i'm not i'm not gonna go out and get a car wash during that time and so it's probably i
01:47:30 ◼ ► probably haven't gotten a car wash since at least like fall of 2019 oh my god oh my god oh my god
01:47:40 ◼ ► i think i probably have you beat oh god how can you complain about your car getting nicked or
01:47:46 ◼ ► they or your curb rash or anything like that when you never wash it when you turn in a lease they
01:47:51 ◼ ► don't charge you for never washing it no no i was more talking to john because i know that you're a
01:47:56 ◼ ► lost cause i'm never turning my car in no i know you're not turning your car in but i thought i
01:47:59 ◼ ► mean i did i did get that body work done to fix all the bad scratches and everything but and then
01:48:04 ◼ ► put a bunch of new scratches back on it but yeah i just i i i should do it i used to do it like once
01:48:10 ◼ ► a year but then oh my god it started to fall off but anyway oh god you too we're killing it john
01:48:16 ◼ ► we're killing i know i know i think if i let a life of luxury i'll probably clean my car more
01:48:21 ◼ ► but i have higher priorities yeah like destiny oh come on yes absolutely that is that is a higher
01:48:27 ◼ ► priority than car washing lots of things are higher priority than car washing to me to to
01:48:32 ◼ ► each their own oh to each their own but but boo this man i mean really since my car is parked in