00:00:00 ◼ ► If I guarantee, if I absolutely guarantee that I'm getting a case, presumably some sort of leather case, probably the Apple one.
00:00:15 ◼ ► I never used to get AppleCare until I started going caseless, then AppleCare was my case.
00:00:29 ◼ ► All right, so we have a lot to talk about and we should dive right in. As per John Siracus's rules,
00:00:35 ◼ ► we are not going to do any follow-up this week, so we're going to have a pile of it next week,
00:00:38 ◼ ► I guarantee you. However, we need to talk about something far more important even than follow-up,
00:00:44 ◼ ► and I think I have the approval of Mr. John Siracus to say that. We need to talk about St. Jude
00:00:50 ◼ ► Children's Research Hospital. Hey, guess what? It's September, and September is Childhood Cancer
00:00:54 ◼ ► Awareness Month, and because of that we are joining Relay FM. Since we are Relay FM, we're part of
00:01:00 ◼ ► Relay FM, we're doing this with, I don't know, it doesn't matter. Anyway, Relay FM and us are trying
00:01:05 ◼ ► to raise money for St. Jude, and Relay set a goal of, if memory serves, $333,000 and 33 cents, I
00:01:14 ◼ ► think, because it was the third year that we/they are doing this, and thanks to a couple of people
00:01:20 ◼ ► in particular, we have surpassed that goal, and the new goal is not $400,000. John, how much is
00:01:27 ◼ ► the new goal? You put me on the spot, it's $400,001. That's correct, as it should be, am I right?
00:01:34 ◼ ► So anyway, so I wanted to call out a few different things and a few different people. First of all,
00:01:42 ◼ ► James Neal was the brief, astonishingly brief, leading donor with $21,001. So thank you, James,
00:01:52 ◼ ► and James has already written in and has said, "You know what? I'm doing this for the kids,
00:01:56 ◼ ► I don't need stickers. You can take your stickers and show..." No, he didn't say that, but James was
00:02:01 ◼ ► very kind and said, "Don't worry about the stickers, just happy to do something nice for St. Jude."
00:02:06 ◼ ► And then, breaking news, earlier today, we were getting extremely close to hitting the goal of
00:02:14 ◼ ► $333,333, and then a group of people, it sounds like it's an app that I would enjoy, it's called,
00:02:25 ◼ ► let me look this up, 1Password, a group of people that work on an app called 1Password,
00:02:31 ◼ ► it sounds like it's good, I should check it out sometime, they donated $26,922.04. Holy jamolys!
00:02:40 ◼ ► So the team at 1Password, it turns out that you absolutely can buy my love, and it costs you the
00:02:46 ◼ ► small amount of $26,922.04. So, hey, thank you to Dave Tier and the rest of the 1Password folks.
00:02:55 ◼ ► Everyone really appreciates it, and if I'm not mistaken, it was their donation that put us
00:03:01 ◼ ► over the original goal, such that the new goal is $400,001. Now, here's the thing, if you donate
00:03:12 ◼ ► enough money to be on the leaderboard, I will allow you to break rules, and neither of the two
00:03:19 ◼ ► of them know that this is happening, so prepare yourselves, gentlemen. This is a iPhone event day,
00:03:25 ◼ ► so we do not have follow-up. However, Gus the dog, previous champion, wrote in about a week ago,
00:03:32 ◼ ► and Gus the dog also issued the stickers and said, "No, no, don't worry about it, thanks,
00:03:36 ◼ ► but no thanks." But Gus has requested something, and since Gus was briefly the leader, Gus gets to
00:03:42 ◼ ► screw up the show for this event, and Gus says, "Please just let Marco know on the next show that,
00:03:48 ◼ ► as someone born and raised on Long Island, I can confirm John is correct, Fire Island is part of
00:03:58 ◼ ► I bet you do. I bet you do. So, I've actually, I've been doing more surveying on that point,
00:04:05 ◼ ► even though we're not doing follow-up, just a very quick thing. I have found more people who said it
00:04:10 ◼ ► is part of Long Island, but it's still significantly a minority. I would say it's at least three
00:04:15 ◼ ► quarters of people I've asked so far say it is not the same or not part of it, whereas one quarter
00:04:21 ◼ ► about seem to say that it is. Well, that's a good thing facts aren't determined by polling.
00:04:25 ◼ ► All right, we do have some other follow-up, including from other brief leaders/champions,
00:04:33 ◼ ► but I will save that for another day. We should move right along and talk a little more about
00:04:42 ◼ ► you can donate money. You can donate your money. It does not have to be the absolutely ridiculous
00:04:47 ◼ ► sum of $26,922.04. It can be just a few bucks. That's fine. That's awesome. So, if you want to
00:04:55 ◼ ► help out kids who have cancer and who doesn't, then go to stjude.org/ate. Because, hey, guess
00:05:05 ◼ ► what? Cancer sucks. Childhood cancer sucks like a lot. So, let's try to fix it. Let's do what we can.
00:05:11 ◼ ► St. Jude Children's Research Hospital is not going to stop until it has cured or until we have cured
00:05:18 ◼ ► childhood cancer. They're doing everything they can to do that. Doctors from all 50 states and
00:05:23 ◼ ► around the world refer their patients to St. Jude because they have the world's best survival rates
00:05:32 ◼ ► pre-consultations for doctors treating children worldwide, including kids in your community,
00:05:42 ◼ ► please, stjude.org, please throw a few dollars their way. It is almost Marco's turn to do the
00:05:49 ◼ ► hard sell. However, John has pointed out to me in the past a couple of things worth noting.
00:05:53 ◼ ► Hey, your employer might match your donation. And if they do, please email Steven Hackett at
00:06:00 ◼ ► an address that I don't remember off the top of my head. I believe it's steven@relayfm. That's
00:06:03 ◼ ► p-h-s-t-e-p-h-e-n @relayfm, I think is correct. Anyways, email Steven and say, "Hey, my employer
00:06:10 ◼ ► matched with such and such amount and that will contribute to our goal," which is excellent. And
00:06:19 ◼ ► you can even donate crypto. I don't think it counts toward our goal, but you can donate cryptocurrency.
00:06:23 ◼ ► So if you feel guilty about destroying the planet, which you probably should, you can offset that
00:06:30 ◼ ► guilt by saving children. It's a win-win. And I'm not going to announce the URL because it's kind of
00:06:34 ◼ ► long, but you'll have to look it up. But sometimes to say it can be done. We'll put in the show notes.
00:06:38 ◼ ► Marco, would you mind please giving the hard sell on this, the day of iPhones? So first of all,
00:06:45 ◼ ► to reiterate, the only thing that is sensible to do with cryptocurrency is donate to St. Jude.
00:06:49 ◼ ► You should just give it all to them and then you can be absolved of whatever emotional weight you
00:06:58 ◼ ► stake or whatever. I don't care. So anyway, the real reason you should give to St. Jude,
00:07:04 ◼ ► even if you don't have cryptocurrency, is that Apple event season is upon us. The Apple event
00:07:10 ◼ ► was today. We'll get to that in a moment. But obviously we are at risk, you all out there,
00:07:16 ◼ ► at risk of spending large amounts of money with Apple in the next few days or weeks. And if you
00:07:21 ◼ ► don't do it at this event, there's probably another event coming sometime soon where you might have
00:07:26 ◼ ► something there you're going to blow a bunch of money on. And so sometime soon, listeners,
00:07:35 ◼ ► And when you do that, we've seen what these things cost. They have 38% profit or whatever margins.
00:07:42 ◼ ► There's a lot of money going towards Apple. Take some of that money that you're going to give to
00:07:47 ◼ ► them and divert it to St. Jude. So that's up to you what that could be. It could be something like,
00:07:53 ◼ ► hey, I'm going to buy a $1,000 iPhone something max or whatever. Then maybe kick 100 bucks to
00:08:00 ◼ ► St. Jude. Maybe 200 bucks to St. Jude. Whatever you can do. If you can't do that much, give them
00:08:05 ◼ ► 30 bucks, give them 20 bucks. Whatever you can give, give them what you can. And it really makes
00:08:10 ◼ ► a big difference. And it will absolve you of your guilt of just rampant, shameless consumerism that
00:08:16 ◼ ► we are all about to celebrate by talking about how we're going to spend, like, how we're going to buy
00:08:21 ◼ ► a new $1,000 phone to replace our old $1,000 phone because the camera's a lot better or whatever.
00:08:26 ◼ ► We're all going to do this. And even for those of you out there who are more reasonable with
00:08:30 ◼ ► your budgeting and purchase decisions, give what you can to St. Jude. Because it's a really good
00:08:35 ◼ ► organization. This is really good. Just a fantastic cause that really makes a huge difference in
00:08:39 ◼ ► people's lives. And it's hard to find a better place to put your money than St. Jude. So give
00:09:02 ◼ ► just a whole bunch of like beautiful people in beautiful places that have nothing to do
00:09:10 ◼ ► we made this video to show you how excited we are. We really love this place. This is how excited we
00:09:42 ◼ ► - Oh God. All right, then I'm just going to bite my tongue. I was going to complain and
00:09:45 ◼ ► moan about how obsessed with California Californians are, but I'll just leave it at that.
00:09:51 ◼ ► - Whenever I visit there, I'm so envious of just how... Because New York is a pretty damn
00:09:56 ◼ ► beautiful place too, but California really is something else. It's really amazing. The reasons
00:10:02 ◼ ► why I don't live in California have nothing to do with its beauty or its climate or anything like
00:10:08 ◼ ► that. Those things are all great. And if it weren't for all the passive aggression, I think it would be
00:10:20 ◼ ► - Yeah, in New York, everyone just tells you what they think at all times to a fault. And if somebody
00:10:27 ◼ ► doesn't like you, it'll be very clear to you. In California, that's not how things are done. And
00:10:33 ◼ ► also in New York, the humor is very dry and sarcastic. If you bring dry sarcastic humor
00:10:37 ◼ ► to California, they just think you're a jerk. They don't get it and they think you're a jerk,
00:10:43 ◼ ► but you won't be able to tell they think you're a jerk because they won't even tell you directly
00:10:47 ◼ ► because they're very passive aggressive there. But I do love a lot of people in California,
00:10:54 ◼ ► - The funny thing to me about California is that it is hilariously, preposterously, absurdly,
00:11:01 ◼ ► unreasonably expensive to live in a place that is doing everything it can to fall off the continental
00:11:07 ◼ ► United States, to light itself up in flames and then completely die because it has no water.
00:11:13 ◼ ► It is a beautiful place. It is a beautiful place. And there are so many wonderful things
00:11:19 ◼ ► about California, but it is hilarious to me how proud Californians are of California. The only
00:11:24 ◼ ► people that I know that are more proud of their state are Texans. And there's a lot more guns
00:11:29 ◼ ► there, so I don't want to offend them. So I'm just gonna leave it at that. But yeah, this was
00:11:33 ◼ ► a celebration of California as everything Apple is. And so after my eyes rolled right the hell
00:11:38 ◼ ► out of my head, I picked them up, put them back in my noggin, and then I could continue watching
00:11:47 ◼ ► - It is so, I just got this strange feeling seeing Tim Cook, this tech company executive,
00:12:02 ◼ ► It just was weird. You're accustomed to TV people doing TV stuff. You see the head of NBC or
00:12:10 ◼ ► whatever, "Here's our great fall lineup and all this in prime time." And it just felt weird to
00:12:16 ◼ ► me to see Apple, a tech company, doing that. Does that seem weird or is everyone just kind of used
00:12:23 ◼ ► running video streaming services. Arguably, Netflix has always kind of been a tech company
00:12:28 ◼ ► even when they were mailing us DVDs. But Amazon certainly qualifies and they have a streaming
00:12:33 ◼ ► service. And I feel like that's just sort of par for the course that large tech companies who want
00:12:40 ◼ ► service revenue eventually get a video streaming service. And then they eventually realize they
00:12:45 ◼ ► need original content because people won't give them their other content once they realize they're
00:12:48 ◼ ► making money off of it. And so this is just where we find ourselves. And it may be weird for us,
00:12:51 ◼ ► because like you said, the head of NBC, does any kid listening to this know or care what the head
00:12:57 ◼ ► of NBC has to say about anything? No, it's all streaming these days. So I think this is just the
00:13:00 ◼ ► world we live in. That, yeah, tech companies have streaming services because streaming services were
00:13:04 ◼ ► originally a tech innovation, even though they are rapidly becoming commonplace. And those companies
00:13:10 ◼ ► that have them realize that they want that money. They got to get that original content and then you
00:13:14 ◼ ► got to promote it. So I guess it's strange, especially if you're an Apple fan thinking like
00:13:19 ◼ ► Apple from the '80s is going to be pitching a bunch of high-budget, high-polish TV shows. But
00:13:24 ◼ ► it just seemed pretty normal to me. I would just as soon leave that out of my product announcement
00:13:29 ◼ ► keynotes, but Apple's going to do what Apple's going to do and how they showed iCards for like
00:13:33 ◼ ► three different events in a row too. Yeah, I mean, it does look like there's some pretty good
00:13:37 ◼ ► programming coming. I don't feel like I have enough time in the day for all the stuff I want
00:13:42 ◼ ► to watch as is, but there are definitely things like the Will Ferrell, Paul Rudd, is that right,
00:13:48 ◼ ► thing looks pretty good. The Jon Stewart thing looks pretty good. I like the first season of
00:13:52 ◼ ► the morning show. I'll watch the second season of that. So I don't know, there's good stuff coming,
00:13:56 ◼ ► but we really should move along and talk about the iPad. The no qualifications, just straight-up iPad
00:14:03 ◼ ► got updated to a two-year-old processor and it still has traditional touch ID, but it got
00:14:11 ◼ ► better cameras, including center stage, which is the thing where it pans and tilts and zooms and
00:14:16 ◼ ► whatnot. Can I just say how painful it is that the least expensive iPad has center stage, but it's
00:14:24 ◼ ► still too fancy for the Mac to have. Yeah, that's very true. Well, and they also didn't give it to
00:14:28 ◼ ► the iPhone for whatever that's worth, but we'll get to that. Maybe it's because of the angle.
00:14:32 ◼ ► I was feeling bad about the fact that like, you know, $8 bajillion Mac Pro doesn't even come with
00:14:38 ◼ ► a camera, but anyway, even if you put a camera on it and it's a 4K camera, oh no, center stage for
00:14:42 ◼ ► you, sorry. But I was thinking for most Macs, like Macbooks or whatever, that maybe the camera is not
00:14:48 ◼ ► high quality enough for them to crop out of it. Because what they do with center stage is it's a
00:14:52 ◼ ► really wide angle camera, but they just show you a crop of that and they just move around. It's pan
00:14:57 ◼ ► and scan. They just move around where the crop is in the frame. And maybe the cameras are so bad and
00:15:01 ◼ ► so low resolution on Macs that if they tried to do that, it would just look like a blurry Vaseline
00:15:06 ◼ ► mess. But I hope Macs catch up with this. I'm glad it's on this iPad, don't get me wrong.
00:15:12 ◼ ► And this iPad continues to lag by what? The same constant amount. Like I said, it was an A12 last
00:15:17 ◼ ► year, now it's an A13. It lags by two numbers. The current trip is an A15. This one has an A13,
00:15:24 ◼ ► as we talked about in last week's show. That's a good chip for a cheap iPad. It's a shame that this
00:15:30 ◼ ► is the last iPad on the old design and it's the last iPad with lightning and all that, and has the
00:15:35 ◼ ► first generation pencil and all that other stuff. But hopefully, unlike a product that we will
00:15:39 ◼ ► discuss later in the show, I'm sure next year, maybe this design will finally go away and we'll
00:15:44 ◼ ► have a clean, uniform iPad lineup all with USB-C. But in the meantime, it's still a good iPad.
00:15:50 ◼ ► I mean, first of all, I do think the timing is kind of funny that they released this right after
00:15:55 ◼ ► the school year starts, because I think the largest consumer of the cheapest iPad is probably schools.
00:16:00 ◼ ► And so the schools probably just bought a ton of the outgoing model. Well, but if they keep
00:16:06 ◼ ► this cadence, they'll buy a ton of this model for next school year, and then right after they buy
00:16:09 ◼ ► the new one, it'll come out. Yeah, that's true. But anyway, I feel like this iPad does a lot
00:16:17 ◼ ► kind of under the radar. This one is the one that people buy, schools, businesses, but I think
00:16:24 ◼ ► mostly schools just buy this in massive quantities. If you need an inexpensive iPad for some reason,
00:16:29 ◼ ► whether it's for children or for casual users, business users, installation type things like
00:16:36 ◼ ► square terminal, cash registers, and restaurants, there's all sorts of things where you just kind
00:16:40 ◼ ► of need an iPad. It doesn't need to be very high-end in any way. You just kind of want it
00:16:45 ◼ ► to be inexpensive and have the basic features covered pretty well. And so I think they always,
00:16:50 ◼ ► whatever the lowest end iPad is, they always sell a ton of them. So this is an important model in
00:16:55 ◼ ► the sense that it's very widespread and it's by far the cheapest way into this kind of stuff,
00:17:02 ◼ ► but it's also really boring from our point of view as a tech podcast. There's not much to say about
00:17:08 ◼ ► it. I think Casey put in the notes here, I didn't notice this, "USBC power adapter." So the iPad
00:17:16 ◼ ► doesn't have USB-C on it, but I assume it comes with a cable that has lightning on one end and
00:17:20 ◼ ► USB-C on the other, and that USB-C plugs into the power brick. So the iPad kind of got USB-C,
00:17:26 ◼ ► but not in a way you really care about. No, it's certainly not. And yeah, they made very
00:17:30 ◼ ► brief mention of the fact that it has a USB-C power adapter and I was like, "Oh, oh, oh, USB-C,
00:17:34 ◼ ► oh wait, but that's the original Apple Pencil, so it's gotta be lightning." And so it's exactly what
00:17:38 ◼ ► you said, Jon, that it's gotta be a lightning to USB-C cable in there. To go back quickly a half
00:17:45 ◼ ► step, Declan last year was remote for kindergarten the entire year. He was using a school-provided
00:17:50 ◼ ► iPad and guess what? It was iPad seventh generation, 32 gigs, and it was full pretty much the moment he
00:17:55 ◼ ► was issued it. But nevertheless, that is, like you guys were both saying, it is definitely the
00:18:00 ◼ ► school-kid iPad. And I mean, it does look nice and it's a nice upgrade. It's still old tech,
00:18:05 ◼ ► but it's reasonably cheap. It's $330 for us for 64 gigs or 300 bucks if you're an education buyer.
00:18:11 ◼ ► So order today, available next week. Yeah, and it is twice as much storage before. You're saying,
00:18:15 ◼ ► you know, the 32 was the standard before, now it's 64. So that's a nice little upgrade.
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00:20:20 ◼ ► All right, iPad mini coming back from sleep. I wouldn't say the dead, but coming back from
00:20:39 ◼ ► I still have a couple, like one of which is in use as a kid iPad. I don't think it's really for
00:20:46 ◼ ► me anymore because I really do like having the iPad Pro and particularly having a keyboard that
00:20:51 ◼ ► I can use easily with the iPad Pro. But that being said, holy crap, this thing looks awesome.
00:20:57 ◼ ► So it has the flat sides that I really, really enjoy. And we're going to talk about that some
00:21:02 ◼ ► more later. It has an A15, which I didn't say out loud during the keynote, but it does. It
00:21:08 ◼ ► supports the pencil too. And I noticed it was very funny that the pencil appears to be just a touch
00:21:14 ◼ ► less tall than the iPad is itself. The iPad and the pencil are very nearly the same height,
00:21:20 ◼ ► which I thought was quite funny. It comes in purple, pink starlight space gray, and apparently
00:21:25 ◼ ► no silver. An 8.3 inch display with wide color, true tone. The main mention of it being extremely
00:21:31 ◼ ► anti-reflective, which I thought was interesting. And 500 nits, which probably doesn't mean much
00:21:35 ◼ ► right now, but will mean a little something in comparison later on. It does have the power button
00:21:39 ◼ ► touch ID. This is in contrast to the iPad that has the traditional home button touch ID. This one is
00:21:46 ◼ ► USB-C. It has 12 megapixel front and rear cameras, including a rear camera with true tone flash,
00:21:52 ◼ ► the 12 megapixel front camera center stage, a new speaker system with stereo, which they
00:21:57 ◼ ► specifically said stereo in landscape, which I guess makes sense if they're on what I would
00:22:01 ◼ ► consider the top and bottom if you're holding it in portrait, but I thought that was an interesting
00:22:04 ◼ ► comment. Also available for order right now. Yeah, you can order right now and it will be available
00:22:09 ◼ ► next week. Yeah, this is awesome. So our kid uses an iPad mini as his primary computing device most
00:22:17 ◼ ► of the time. And because people saw, people on Twitter at Blue Bay that everyone's like,
00:22:24 ◼ ► why are you upgrading the iPad mini so much? And the reason is like the iPad mini for a long time
00:22:34 ◼ ► from the iPad and the iPhone and even the Mac lineup, like sometimes the small thing needs to
00:22:40 ◼ ► be low end for whatever reason, you know, that maybe the high performance hardware can't fit
00:22:43 ◼ ► in the smaller enclosure of something. But there's also a lot of people who want a smaller thing in
00:22:50 ◼ ► the product line, but who also want it to be good. You know, like sometimes the small thing is the
00:22:55 ◼ ► low end thing most of the time, but it's also nice when there's a small thing that has higher end
00:23:00 ◼ ► options or higher end performance in some way. And the iPad mini for forever has been just kind of,
00:23:06 ◼ ► you know, it's always been middle of the road hardware, not super, you know, great in any
00:23:13 ◼ ► real respect, oftentimes lagging behind by a year or two and not updated very frequently. And it
00:23:20 ◼ ► went through a time about three, four years ago when we all thought it was dead forever. But the
00:23:24 ◼ ► good thing is then they finally updated it and they've actually kept it updated now. This is
00:23:30 ◼ ► continuing a pretty good pattern. I think the last one is out, is updated about two and a half years
00:23:36 ◼ ► ago. So this is not bad to have this one be, you know, here now. As for the design and everything,
00:23:42 ◼ ► what they basically did is made it a tiny iPad Air, although it's actually better than the iPad Air
00:23:46 ◼ ► because it has the, it has an A15 and the iPad Air has an A14. So they've upgraded it just more
00:23:52 ◼ ► recently, but otherwise it's basically a mini iPad Air, which the iPad Air is basically, you know,
00:23:56 ◼ ► a thinned down iPad Pro. And so this actually has really good capabilities and this is way higher
00:24:04 ◼ ► end than I would have guessed. I never would have guessed that they would have put the new high end
00:24:09 ◼ ► chip, the A15, in the iPad mini update. You should have listened to last week's episode because that
00:24:13 ◼ ► was one of the ideas of like, why is Apple making such a big initial order to the A15 of the A15 chip
00:24:19 ◼ ► from their chip supplier? Maybe they just needed to order a bunch to get a low price, but the other
00:24:22 ◼ ► possibility was like, maybe they're putting an A15 into more stuff. Now I don't know how many the iPad
00:24:26 ◼ ► mini sells, maybe it's a drop in the bucket compared to the iPhone, but that was an open
00:24:30 ◼ ► question based on the rumors. Was it going to be A14 or A15? And they did the weird thing in this
00:24:34 ◼ ► presentation where they're like, the new CPU is 40% more than such and such and GPU is X percent
00:24:40 ◼ ► more than whatever, but they never said what chip was in it. And as soon as they didn't say,
00:24:48 ◼ ► Now them not saying because it's an A15 is dumb in my opinion because 20 minutes later they're
00:24:54 ◼ ► going to quote unquote unveil the A15 with the new iPhones. Like we know it's going to be in the new
00:24:58 ◼ ► iPhones, you just increment the number every year, it's not rocket science. They should have just
00:25:02 ◼ ► said it was an A15 and you'll hear more about that chip later. It's not like it's unprecedented,
00:25:07 ◼ ► they've done it before where a couple of times in the past, some other device other than the iPhone
00:25:12 ◼ ► has rolled out the new system on a chip, usually an iPad before the phone. But anyway, it's an A15.
00:25:18 ◼ ► And so yeah, some of those extra A15s that they ordered or whatever are going into iPads. And
00:25:22 ◼ ► if you're interested in an iPad mini, this is when you buy because it's not going to be updated to an
00:25:27 ◼ ► A16 next year. I'm pretty much guaranteed that right? Unless they've really changed how they're
00:25:30 ◼ ► doing the mini. So at this moment, this mini is an amazing machine. It's price like one,
00:25:41 ◼ ► it's like a it's not even a mini iPad Air, it's better than many iPad Air. It's not quite a mini
00:25:46 ◼ ► Pro, but it's kind of in between those two things. So this is a great little machine. And if you are
00:25:51 ◼ ► a fan of this, like, you know, this is this is the time to buy just buy it now and be happy with your
00:25:56 ◼ ► purchase for the next few years before the next one comes out. Yeah, it's a fantastic looking
00:26:00 ◼ ► thing. I'm we are we are most don't tell him we're probably going to get Adam one for Christmas.
00:26:04 ◼ ► But but it's the only thing is they made it more expensive as well. You know, the iPad,
00:26:10 ◼ ► even the iPad mini, you know, every iPad once you spec it up, you're going to be near $1,000.
00:26:14 ◼ ► Probably and this is no different. This is like if you actually want like the 256 gig model,
00:26:20 ◼ ► and maybe if you want cellular, like that's that's going to be like seven or $800 because it's now it
00:26:26 ◼ ► starts at 500 which I think is 100 more than before. But it I think, given that they're giving
00:26:33 ◼ ► it high end hardware now, I think that's reasonable. We will see when it actually gets here.
00:26:40 ◼ ► You know, I'll let you know after Christmas sometime. But it looks like a pretty awesome
00:26:45 ◼ ► upgrade. And if you would have said, you know, the iPad mini is rumored to get an update, what do you
00:26:49 ◼ ► think would be in it? I wouldn't have guessed it would be this high end. And I wouldn't have even
00:26:53 ◼ ► guessed it would have gotten the iPad Air design. I would have thought it would have been basically
00:26:56 ◼ ► just like the cheap iPad but smaller. And it's not they made it a pretty nice, like at least
00:27:02 ◼ ► mid range, if not somewhat high end product. And that's great. I wish I knew how many of these
00:27:07 ◼ ► things they sold because I do wonder if the choice to go with an A15 was more of an economies of
00:27:12 ◼ ► scale choice than anything else. I'm just like, let's not complicated. Let's not you know, like,
00:27:18 ◼ ► let's just put all the let's let's make the biggest order of A15s that we can and we know this, we
00:27:22 ◼ ► don't update this product that often. So it's just simpler to let's just go with A15 everywhere, like
00:27:26 ◼ ► because it doesn't need it. No one is dying for an A15. And if they said an A14, it would still be a
00:27:31 ◼ ► great machine. But lo and behold, it gets the A15 because they've just got a lot of them. And it's
00:27:35 ◼ ► great chip. And it's a great chip for an iPad of this size. Like you don't need like an X variant
00:27:39 ◼ ► to have, you know, a huge GPU for all the pixels that it's pushing is the beauty of the mini,
00:27:44 ◼ ► right? Small size, small display, you can think of it as a really, really big iPhone 13, if you want
00:27:50 ◼ ► to only I guess without the phone part, but just having had like kind of like the M1 being at
00:27:55 ◼ ► everything, you know, being in the in the top end iPad, and also all of the arm Max, it's just nice
00:28:01 ◼ ► to have one chip and to use it everywhere. And if your chip is really good, like the A15 is and like
00:28:05 ◼ ► the M1 is, go for it. And everyone and everyone who gets that in any of their products, like to
00:28:09 ◼ ► think of the M1. If you have one of those Macs, or if you have the iPad, everybody's happy with
00:28:14 ◼ ► that chip. No one is feels like, oh, I got this $900 or $999 MacBook Air, but it's got a stupid
00:28:20 ◼ ► iPad chip in it. And on the flip side, no one gets the iPad Pro and says, oh, it's got the stupid Mac
00:28:25 ◼ ► chip in it. Everybody likes it. They make good silicon by their products. You know, the chat
00:28:30 ◼ ► room pointed out a little while ago, and I did not notice during the presentation, the volume buttons
00:28:34 ◼ ► are now at the top of the same like plane as the touch ID button. Oh, you're right. I did not notice
00:28:41 ◼ ► that. I think it's because the pencil takes up the entire side of the darn thing. Oh, yeah, I see it.
00:28:45 ◼ ► The two little sorry. Yeah, I think you're right. It's got it. It's got to be the pencil. I did not
00:28:48 ◼ ► notice that. I think that's reasonable for the mini, like, especially if you're using it in landscape
00:28:53 ◼ ► mode. That's the whole mystery of the iPad. And I think that the ones that I was gonna say the ones
00:28:57 ◼ ► with face ID, but this one doesn't have face ID, but it looks like it might, but it doesn't.
00:29:00 ◼ ► The ones that don't have a home button on the front of it, there's less of a sort of hardware
00:29:07 ◼ ► opinion about what is the correct orientation, ignoring the logo on the back, which is gonna
00:29:11 ◼ ► be covered by a case or whatever anyway. So in that scenario, having like, oh, they're on the
00:29:18 ◼ ► top, but really they're on the side if you're constantly using it in landscape. It's a very
00:29:21 ◼ ► confusing product, but anyway, I think it's fine. I think it's a perfectly reasonable compromise
00:29:25 ◼ ► for the pencil because I think the pencil is great and you definitely want the one that sticks to the
00:29:29 ◼ ► side because it's so much better than that stupid lightning harpoon thing. Oh, harpoon was generous.
00:29:34 ◼ ► No, that was more like the, you know, the really excited pencil. Unicorn horn, narwhal. Yeah,
00:29:41 ◼ ► it could be a little bit less crude. That's much better. One thing I thought was really funny,
00:29:52 ◼ ► you actually mentioned with half Face ID, but the rounded screen corners, the edge-to-edge screen,
00:29:58 ◼ ► in quotes, but the margins, like the bezels around the screen seem to be about the same
00:30:03 ◼ ► thickness as on all the large iPads. So when they shrink it down to this small screen size,
00:30:08 ◼ ► it looks proportionally like a much thicker bezel. And I love, they kept saying this beautiful
00:30:14 ◼ ► edge-to-edge screen and you look at this thing and it's so not edge-to-edge. And I think it looks
00:30:20 ◼ ► good, but I wouldn't have used that terminology over and over again while showing it on screen.
00:30:26 ◼ ► I think we're going to look at this in 10 years and we're going to laugh at how thick this bezel is.
00:30:31 ◼ ► I mean, maybe, but I kind of feel like that the bezel serves a purpose on an iPad as a place for
00:30:39 ◼ ► your fingers to go when you grip it. And even though, even though, like, I don't know if Apple
00:30:43 ◼ ► agrees with that because they just be like, we don't care. We're bringing the screen all
00:30:46 ◼ ► to the edge as soon as we can. Cause that's an Apple thing to do. But if you, you know,
00:30:50 ◼ ► if you believe in the idea of having some amount of place to grip it, that part should scale with
00:30:57 ◼ ► the size of our fingers, not with the size of the screen. So keeping it the same size now,
00:31:04 ◼ ► similarities of parts of manufacturing and so on and so forth. And maybe they will bring it all to
00:31:07 ◼ ► the edge, but we said the same thing when they brought in, remember from like the original iPad
00:31:10 ◼ ► that had like an inch and a half around all sides to grab it, that was arguably much better for
00:31:15 ◼ ► gripping, but it was a lot of wasted space. And when they went to this design, it was like, Oh,
00:31:19 ◼ ► there's so much less room to grip. And we have to add, you know, machine learning finger rejection.
00:31:25 ◼ ► So you're, you know, see your thumb, remember that whole thing when they went to the, you know,
00:31:28 ◼ ► so it knows that your thumb that's that you're not trying to press the button on the side of the
00:31:31 ◼ ► screen that you're just grabbing it. Like it causes problems, but I think going all the way
00:31:37 ◼ ► edge to edge will not necessarily make a better iPad. If anything, it will just make people start
00:31:41 ◼ ► buying cases and they'll grab by the case part. I guess that's the, you know, the path of naked
00:31:46 ◼ ► robotic core, but I'm, I'm kinda, I kind of liked the idea, especially if this is going to be an
00:31:51 ◼ ► iPad that a kid might use that, that you still have some sort of non-screen safe area on the
00:31:56 ◼ ► edges to grab the thing. Yep. No, this looks really good. I'm it's one of those things where
00:32:02 ◼ ► I'm glad this exists, even though it isn't for me. And I feel kind of similar about the, uh,
00:32:08 ◼ ► the iPhone mini, which we'll get to in a second, but I'm glad that there is more than just big and
00:32:15 ◼ ► huge for iPads. I'm glad that there's something small and, and I have a couple of friends that,
00:32:22 ◼ ► one is a professional pilot and a couple that are going to get their private pilot's license
00:32:30 ◼ ► you know, in the, in the context of a cockpit that it's really, really convenient to have an iPad for
00:32:40 ◼ ► they're really super duper excited about this. And I I'm excited too. Speaking of the iPhone mini,
00:32:44 ◼ ► I do wonder if Apple is, will eventually start going towards the idea of an iPad mini pro,
00:32:52 ◼ ► right? Cause the iPhone mini is not the iPhone mini pro. It is not a miniature version of the
00:32:57 ◼ ► pro iPads. It's a miniature version of the non pro pro iPhones, miniature version of the non pro
00:33:01 ◼ ► iPhones. Right. And so I was thinking of that for someone using it in a cockpit, one of the attributes
00:33:06 ◼ ► of the pro iPads is they have the super duper, very bright mini led screen. It's like more than
00:33:11 ◼ ► twice as bright as this thing. And if you're going to use it in a sunny cockpit of an airplane,
00:33:15 ◼ ► you'd probably want a screen that's brighter than this one, but you can't get it cause they don't
00:33:19 ◼ ► sell a pro mini with that type of thing. Um, presumably Apple knows what the market for this
00:33:24 ◼ ► looks like, but yeah, this has got an eight 15 and a 500 at screen, but the good pencil, but you know,
00:33:29 ◼ ► not promotion and all this, you know, it's kind of, you know, it's, it's a very, it's a little
00:33:33 ◼ ► bit better than the iPad air. Um, but they're, they're close now. They've got the same design,
00:33:37 ◼ ► the top end chip. You could add another hundred bucks or so to this and come up with an iPad mini
00:33:44 ◼ ► pro. Uh, that would actually be pretty cool, but probably for the same reason they don't make an
00:33:49 ◼ ► iPhone mini pro. There's just not enough demand for it. Who knows? Um, but I think that that
00:33:55 ◼ ► tension continues to exist in Apple's line where they will diversify in both size and features,
00:34:01 ◼ ► but there's always a little pocket where they say, you know what, we're not making a pro and
00:34:05 ◼ ► non-pro variant of what usually ends up being the small one just because we think we're diversified
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00:36:11 ◼ ► reinventing men's basics. Moving on, Apple Watch. We had a little bit of discussion about watchOS 8,
00:36:20 ◼ ► and I thought a new announcement, but maybe we knew this and I missed it. But they're adding a
00:36:25 ◼ ► cycling workout and fall detection, including better support, better algorithmic support for
00:36:30 ◼ ► e-bikes and how many calories you're burning when you're using an e-bike. They're going to have
00:36:34 ◼ ► memories in the photos app on watchOS 8, which is great. But what we all care about, of course,
00:36:39 ◼ ► is Apple Watch Series 7. I know, Marco, you were celebrating that they don't have the flat sides.
00:36:45 ◼ ► I still like the flat sides. Oh, thank God they didn't do the flat sides. I just want to point out,
00:36:49 ◼ ► but up to this point, our rumors that we went through last show were pretty much dead on for
00:36:54 ◼ ► everything that was announced, but here things went off the rails, or onto the rails if you're Marco.
00:36:57 ◼ ► Yeah, I think actually besides the screen size increase, I don't think any of the other rumors
00:37:09 ◼ ► They were talking about obviously the flat-sided design. And meanwhile, it looks like we have no
00:37:16 ◼ ► new sensors. We don't have a flat-sided design, thank God. And then the other things that were
00:37:21 ◼ ► changed, like the faster charging, the different bulkier MagSafe thing possibly. No one talked
00:37:27 ◼ ► about that at all. That was not rumored. None of that stuff was rumored. But anyway, oh, and the
00:37:36 ◼ ► Yeah, before you get to the design of this thing, did they ever mention what chip is in it? I
00:37:41 ◼ ► searched the website and I scripted the video. So here's the thing. This is kind of a theme of this
00:37:47 ◼ ► whole event. They only very briefly talked about the A15. Almost every comparison they did when
00:37:54 ◼ ► talking about the A15 was not comparing it against the A14. It was comparing it either against a
00:38:01 ◼ ► two-year-old model of something else that uses the A12 or something, or they were saying it's
00:38:06 ◼ ► X percent faster than the leading competition, which is in the Android world. So what I'm
00:38:13 ◼ ► guessing here, I'm guessing the A15 is not a massive upgrade from the A14. Now that being said,
00:38:19 ◼ ► you know, these are still amazingly fast chips. There's tons of headroom, but this doesn't seem
00:38:24 ◼ ► like it's a year where the chip is taking a massive jump. And if it's not taking a massive
00:38:28 ◼ ► jump on the main A series chip for the phone and iPad, I think a lot of that same core design is
00:38:36 ◼ ► probably shared with other products, like whatever the Mac chip is gonna be this year, and like
00:38:42 ◼ ► the possibly the watch CPUs. And so it wouldn't surprise me if this is kind of a like a battery
00:38:48 ◼ ► life gaining year all around, if they just, you know, improve efficiency in a lot of areas and
00:38:53 ◼ ► don't necessarily spend a lot of that budget on performance. Well, the question is, does this have
00:38:59 ◼ ► a different chip than the Series 6? Or does it have exactly the same chip as the Series 6? Oh,
00:39:07 ◼ ► where they've repeated the same chip in two watch models, I believe. And not the Series 1 and 2.
00:39:12 ◼ ► The same year, but I believe, didn't the 3, I think the 4 to 5 didn't change the chip or
00:39:19 ◼ ► something like that? I believe they've done that before. But anyway, yeah, that wouldn't surprise
00:39:23 ◼ ► me. But honestly, I'm shocked that I'm saying this, but the Series 6 watch has been fast enough
00:39:30 ◼ ► for me. It's the first time an Apple watch has ever been fast enough for me. It's the first time
00:39:35 ◼ ► where like the CPU speed of the watch does not appear to be holding me back for the most part.
00:39:41 ◼ ► Now what I'm doing in development, other things hold me back, like the wireless debugging setup.
00:39:46 ◼ ► Too soon, Marco. Too soon. We'll get to that some other day. But yeah, but it doesn't seem like,
00:39:51 ◼ ► in the past, the watch's own processor being so incredibly low power has really slowed me down in
00:39:56 ◼ ► development. But the Series 6, it finally doesn't seem to be doing that. I'm able to do all sorts of
00:40:02 ◼ ► stuff with SwiftUI and the interface that I think might be slow, and then I try it and it's just not.
00:40:06 ◼ ► So anyway, I don't think the watch necessarily needs a faster CPU. What the watch always needs,
00:40:20 ◼ ► sometimes it needs that, but what it mostly needs it for is, in my opinion, to enable apps to do
00:40:25 ◼ ► more. Everything you do on the Apple watch as a developer is heavily throttled by the system. You
00:40:31 ◼ ► have such incredibly low limits. Like if you use more than a certain percentage of the CPU for a
00:40:36 ◼ ► couple of seconds, it just kills your app. You're just out. There are so many limitations on what
00:40:40 ◼ ► you can do with complications and with app backgrounding and stuff that you just get no
00:40:45 ◼ ► time to do anything, or it'll only let you update the complication 20 times in an hour or whatever.
00:40:51 ◼ ► There's all these limits all over the place to ensure they can get through the day power-wise.
00:40:58 ◼ ► And anything that the watch can do to improve efficiency might lead to some of those limits
00:41:02 ◼ ► getting lifted. And so from a developer's point of view, and from all of you as a user point of view,
00:41:07 ◼ ► that's kind of what you should want because that changes what watch stuff can do. So we'll see what
00:41:14 ◼ ► happens, but if they didn't improve performance, that's not necessarily a bad thing in this
00:41:18 ◼ ► particular generation. - Yeah, you know, I was reasonably excited for the Series 7, and I currently
00:41:26 ◼ ► have a Series 6 because I'm a blatant consumer and believe in blatant consumerism when it comes to
00:41:31 ◼ ► this stuff. But I love my Series 6. I like it a lot. I agree with what you were saying about speed,
00:41:36 ◼ ► as long as you're not doing development. Pardon me while I go fetal. But nevertheless, my battery
00:41:42 ◼ ► life is still not stupendous, as I was whining about last episode. And so for battery life alone,
00:41:48 ◼ ► I was interested in maybe getting a Series 7. I am still interested, but there's nothing about it
00:41:56 ◼ ► that's making me go, "Oh, oh, oh, oh, yes! That's what I want in my life." And so what are the things
00:42:01 ◼ ► that they're trying to hang their hat on? They're trying to hang their hat on the new screen. It's
00:42:05 ◼ ► still a little bit bulbous, for lack of a better word. It's not the flat sides that I maintain look
00:42:11 ◼ ► cool, even though Marco is disgusted by them. The screen is 20% bigger than the Series 6, 50%
00:42:17 ◼ ► bigger than the Series 3. God help us, we're going to talk about that in a minute. It has a
00:42:22 ◼ ► less than 2mm border. It's 40% thinner than the Series 6. It has a wraparound effect on the--
00:42:32 ◼ ► Yes, like the cover glass, the cover crystal is thinner. The watch looks like it's actually about
00:42:38 ◼ ► the same. I think you're right. And I think they said something about the charging thing,
00:42:43 ◼ ► wart, whatever, that's part of the watch. I think they said is actually a smidge bigger.
00:42:55 ◼ ► But anyways, the screen has a wraparound effect on the display edges, which makes it look like
00:43:04 ◼ ► Yeah, I didn't understand that. So, obviously, this is not the flat design. This is the same
00:43:08 ◼ ► design as all the other Arpa watches. And they did the same thing they have done every year where
00:43:11 ◼ ► there's been a quote-unquote redesign, which is, technically speaking, every-- in car parlance,
00:43:17 ◼ ► every panel is different. Every body panel is different. But practically speaking, it still
00:43:21 ◼ ► looks like a 911, right? Like, it's the same watch, right? It is the same look, but it is
00:43:27 ◼ ► different. And part of that is the glass on the top of it. Like, if you look at it from the side,
00:43:32 ◼ ► you can see the glass because the glass itself has a little bit of a dome on it. Now, the difference
00:43:36 ◼ ► between-- and that has been true, I think, for all the watches. Like, if you looked at it in a
00:43:39 ◼ ► profile, you could see the dome of the glass or the crystal or whatever. But in the past, what that
00:43:44 ◼ ► has meant is, okay, there's that little dome, but the only part of that that we light up, if you
00:43:48 ◼ ► look at it head-on, is the flat part. And in this watch, it seems like they're trying to say, "We
00:43:53 ◼ ► don't just light up the flat part. We also light up the parts that curve towards the edges."
00:43:57 ◼ ► - I don't think that's true. So, we're recording the night of the keynote, and we don't have all
00:44:03 ◼ ► our facts straight. You could say that this episode is a little bit accidental, but I believe what
00:44:09 ◼ ► they said was that because of the way the display-- or, excuse me, not the display, because of the way
00:44:16 ◼ ► the, like, crystal at the top is, it refracts-- and again, that term might be wrong. I might be
00:44:22 ◼ ► using that incorrectly. But it refracts a little bit of the light such that it appears that it's
00:44:28 ◼ ► being lit up on the, like, curved portion, but it is not in actuality being lit up there. It's just
00:44:35 ◼ ► a-- basically an optical illusion. That was what I took from it. - I think it has to be lit up there,
00:44:39 ◼ ► because if you look at it head-on, you'll see there's, like, the amount that's not lit up when
00:44:44 ◼ ► you look at it head-on, in which case there's no, like, sort of looking from the side refraction
00:44:47 ◼ ► going. You're just looking at top view. There's-- the amount that's not lit up is too thin to
00:44:52 ◼ ► encompass the entire radius, it seems to me. Again, not having seen it in person, it's hard to tell in
00:44:56 ◼ ► the pictures, but it seems to me that, like, even the screen itself could continue to be flat,
00:45:01 ◼ ► a flat plane that lights up. But because that flat plane goes-- I don't know. I mean, they can also
00:45:07 ◼ ► say it's closer to the glass, too, so it couldn't be, like, you know, back-- - Well, so here's what I
00:45:11 ◼ ► think is going on. First of all, what we said a minute ago about it being 40% thinner is not right,
00:45:18 ◼ ► or at least the way I interpreted that. The thickness of the cover glass/sapphire, which they
00:45:24 ◼ ► call the crystal, because that's the watch term, but it's either glass or sapphire, depending on the
00:45:27 ◼ ► model. The thickness of that, like, as in, like, the height of it off the case, is not only not
00:45:33 ◼ ► thinner, it's actually thicker. They even brag about how it's actually thicker to make it
00:45:37 ◼ ► stronger. Now, I think-- I don't think it's sticking up as far. I think the way it got thicker is by
00:45:42 ◼ ► going down towards the screen. But what's 40% thinner is the width of the bezel around the
00:45:48 ◼ ► screen. So, like, the-- like, if you're looking at it head-on, like, the margin around the screen.
00:45:52 ◼ ► That is what's 40% thinner. The screen-- the crystal itself is not thinner, and in fact has
00:45:59 ◼ ► apparently grown downwards to basically reduce the distance between the screen and the glass. Now,
00:46:09 ◼ ► Watches do this. There's actually not that many of them, but if you know about the-- is it Resense or
00:46:15 ◼ ► Resance? It's this high-end, oil-filled watch brand. Not all of them are oil-filled, but their
00:46:20 ◼ ► high-end model is. There's also-- throughout time, there's been a few other watches in the
00:46:24 ◼ ► watch world that have oil-filled cases. I actually own one by SIN. It's actually this wonderful,
00:46:28 ◼ ► old diving watch. And what's interesting about oil-filled watch cases is that there is-- the way
00:46:35 ◼ ► the oil in the middle of the case refracts light is different than the way air gaps do between the
00:46:40 ◼ ► dial and the crystal. And it basically does this. It looks just like this. The side view on the
00:46:46 ◼ ► Apple Watch page with the oily-looking screen, basically, if you look at it at an angle, it looks
00:46:52 ◼ ► like the-- in the case of the actual watch, the dial on the hands, or in the case of the Apple
00:46:58 ◼ ► Watch, the screen contents-- it looks like it is painted on the surface of the glass as opposed to
00:47:05 ◼ ► being on a screen that's a couple of millimeters below it. What I'm guessing they've done here
00:47:10 ◼ ► is that they did make the crystal bigger, thicker. They put it down towards the screen and eliminated
00:47:15 ◼ ► the gap between the screen and the crystal, most likely. That would probably create this same effect
00:47:25 ◼ ► So I'm guessing that this will, from the side-- I think it actually will look like this. It will
00:47:32 ◼ ► look like it goes almost edge to edge. Now, the watch face they've chosen to show this off, the
00:47:36 ◼ ► one with the warping numbers around the side, which honestly I think is hideous, but it does
00:47:39 ◼ ► show off the effect well. I think they've obviously designed this watch face to not go all the way to
00:47:46 ◼ ► the edge. It goes all the way to the edge of the screen, but this face is designed with a black
00:47:52 ◼ ► margin around the numbers as a design element that happens to coincide with the edge of the screen.
00:47:57 ◼ ► So it makes it look even better than it is, but I still think it's going to look pretty awesome,
00:48:03 ◼ ► and it's going to probably have much, much better visibility at deep angles. And if they've done
00:48:09 ◼ ► this trick that I think they might have done, it should, for whatever it's worth, also make it more
00:48:13 ◼ ► visible underwater. So my question is, if the screen continues to be a flat plane, and it goes
00:48:21 ◼ ► as far the edge as Apple's pictures make it seem like it goes, does that mean the screen, the light
00:48:27 ◼ ► up part is farther away from the surface of the crystal as well? Because again, if you have like
00:48:31 ◼ ► a dome shape and you have a flat piece, you can't push that flat piece against the dome shape unless
00:48:37 ◼ ► you start curving the edges of it, right? Well, the bottom of the crystal is presumably flat,
00:48:41 ◼ ► like the inside part of the crystal is flat. So it's like the crystal is filled, like it's,
00:48:46 ◼ ► it is a dome shape, but it is completely solid glass or sapphire or whatever, and it has a flat
00:48:50 ◼ ► bottom, and that's what the screen is shoved up against? Most likely, yes. All right, that makes
00:48:55 ◼ ► more sense. Like I've never actually like cracked one of these open or seen the iFixit thing where
00:48:59 ◼ ► they actually like saw the thing in half and say, "show me where the light up part is," because I'm
00:49:02 ◼ ► still just envisioning it as like a flat screen, but then like a, you know, hollow dome that's on
00:49:07 ◼ ► top of it. If it's, if it is a solid thing with a flat bottom, this makes way more sense. And yes,
00:49:16 ◼ ► But I mean, the main point is someone had a good tweet about this. I just grabbed the image and
00:49:19 ◼ ► put it on our show. It's, I guess I'll grab the, the Twitter link as well. Saying that the series
00:49:25 ◼ ► three, which we will get to in a moment, now looks like a CSS error on Apple's website, because you
00:49:29 ◼ ► see that you see the series six, which looks like an Apple watch with a big black border around it.
00:49:34 ◼ ► You see the series seven, which is like an Apple watch with no border. And you see the series three,
00:49:37 ◼ ► which is like an Apple watch. And unfortunately someone put this rectangular photo in the middle
00:49:41 ◼ ► of the screen somehow. And it doesn't, it doesn't look correct. It doesn't look right. And really,
00:49:47 ◼ ► like, I think this is the, this screen is the most important aspect of the series seven, as far as
00:49:55 ◼ ► I'm concerned, just because it, it finally gets to the point where I feel like you've filled the
00:50:00 ◼ ► watch face with screen. And now maybe you're like, I didn't feel cramped. I don't need more
00:50:04 ◼ ► complications. I didn't need to see more data. Even if you don't care about any of those things,
00:50:09 ◼ ► I think just aesthetically speaking and sort of like Johnny I've like essence of the product
00:50:14 ◼ ► speaking. Now it finally looks like what I would imagine they wanted it to look like from the
00:50:18 ◼ ► beginning. If you remember the original Apple watch designs, all the watch faces intentionally,
00:50:23 ◼ ► like essentially had black bodies to them. So you couldn't see that terrible edge. Like you wouldn't
00:50:28 ◼ ► see, Oh, I have a rounded rectangle with a non-rounded rectangle inset far into the middle
00:50:36 ◼ ► you don't notice that. But as soon as they got the rounded corners, I said, we're going to light up
00:50:39 ◼ ► the whole screen. And now finally, when you light up the whole screen, you essentially light up
00:50:44 ◼ ► again, judging by Apple's marketing pictures, the whole surface of the watch. And there, I think
00:50:49 ◼ ► you've essentially achieved what you want. And now you can vary the size of that and everything.
00:50:52 ◼ ► And you're not like burning any space on, you know, empty black area on the watch. And we'll
00:50:58 ◼ ► have to see one in person to see if this refracting effect is weird or whatever, but I really like
00:51:02 ◼ ► this design. I'm I think I'm kind of with Marco. I don't really care about what watches look like,
00:51:07 ◼ ► but I'm kind of glad that they stuck with the nine 11 design and just like, look, it looks like,
00:51:22 ◼ ► sort of radically changes from this, you know, I think it will be, I'll be happy when it happens,
00:51:29 ◼ ► but one more year of this design is perfectly fine with me. Cause I think this watch looks really
00:51:32 ◼ ► good. Yeah. I honestly like, I don't, I have yet to think of, I mean, look, I'm not an industrial
00:51:39 ◼ ► designer by any means, but I have yet to think of how they could give the watch straight sides
00:51:44 ◼ ► and have it look better than what they are, what they have already accomplished with the
00:51:51 ◼ ► sides for sure. Maybe. Yeah, it would be, it would be possible. But also keep in mind the entire
00:51:57 ◼ ► strap ecosystem has all been designed with like this curved blobby look. Obviously half the
00:52:02 ◼ ► thickness is not going to be next year. It'd be like many years in the future, you know,
00:52:05 ◼ ► but they stick with this iconic design. It's fine. But speaking of straps, so that's another,
00:52:08 ◼ ► another advantage of this design. As far as I'm aware, you can still use all the existing
00:52:12 ◼ ► bands with these watches. Yeah, because they said, they basically, they barely changed the
00:52:17 ◼ ► exterior dimensions. So the exterior dimensions are effectively the same according to them. We'll
00:52:22 ◼ ► see how it plays out in practice. One other thing worth noting, silver as a case color is gone.
00:52:28 ◼ ► Like, except unless you go steel, but like the silver aluminum that used to be kind of like the
00:52:33 ◼ ► default color of an Apple watch. I totally missed that. Just, just like the iPad mini. No, no silver
00:52:39 ◼ ► in the mini, no silver in the watch. Yes. Like the, the low end products no longer have silver.
00:52:47 ◼ ► something that looks like silver probably isn't called silver. No, that's blue. It's starlight
00:52:52 ◼ ► is the closest thing, which is like a very light gold. Starlight seems like it's the new space gray
00:52:58 ◼ ► and that there's a thing called starlight that is a different color in every product that has that
00:53:03 ◼ ► color. But it all kind of looks grayish like sort of starlight looks a lot like silver. Yeah. But
00:53:19 ◼ ► a lot of these things are like really testing your color receptors. I don't know. This is something
00:53:23 ◼ ► they tend not to do. They just, you know, for, they give you a color blindness test, especially
00:53:27 ◼ ► if you're a boy in school or whatever, getting your eyes tested, you know, they want to make
00:53:31 ◼ ► because the color blindness is more prevalent in boys than girls. And so they give you this test,
00:53:36 ◼ ► can you tell the difference between red and green or whatever, what numbers is it? But what they
00:53:39 ◼ ► don't do is can you tell like this mild fuchsia from this slightly more purpley fuchsia? Like no
00:53:47 ◼ ► one ever cares about those nuances. And no, I don't want to get into, do you see the same green as I
00:53:51 ◼ ► do, but like subtle variations in color. I think Apple's color choices with these things like
00:53:56 ◼ ► starlight are getting to the point where there's probably large sequences of the population that
00:53:59 ◼ ► literally can't tell starlight from silver. Yeah, but I, it probably, but I think it's interesting.
00:54:04 ◼ ► I mean, cause you know, they've, they've had these same colors, you know, the, the kind of,
00:54:13 ◼ ► they've had these basic colors for a long time and it, and the fact that they've thrown silver out
00:54:18 ◼ ► with the low end products, I see like same thing. The iPhone 13 and 13 mini do not offer silver.
00:54:22 ◼ ► The pro line does, but the 13 and 13 mini do not. And so neither does the Apple watch series seven
00:54:28 ◼ ► and aluminum like it's or the iPad mini. Like that's, I think that's very interesting. And
00:54:36 ◼ ► is that they seem to have made them more bold, especially like the red is much more red and bold.
00:54:47 ◼ ► which I think is nice because they, the, the design over the last couple of years has been pretty
00:54:54 ◼ ► pastel. Like I recently, I finally at some point recently saw the the new IMAX in person in an
00:55:00 ◼ ► Apple store and I was surprised how incredibly pastel they all were. And I honestly didn't think
00:55:08 ◼ ► any of the colors would be right for me if I was buying one. Well, the front of the IMAX
00:55:11 ◼ ► are pastel, but the back, they went bold like these watches. Like the back of the blue IMAX
00:55:16 ◼ ► is not powder blue. It is deep blue like this watch. Same thing with the back of the red one,
00:55:20 ◼ ► the back of the orange one. The fronts are all very pale and pastel, which I think was sort of
00:55:24 ◼ ► intentional to not be distracting. But I think the, the IMAX, like in total surface area, the
00:55:30 ◼ ► IMAX are also bold colors, just not on the side that you look at. Fair enough. But yeah,
00:55:35 ◼ ► ultimately like the colors in general look pretty good in the aluminum this year. And I think,
00:55:42 ◼ ► am I correct that the titanium and steel colors did not change with this generation? Yeah,
00:55:48 ◼ ► I'm just looking at them in the keynote where they have a lineup of, they have five watches
00:55:53 ◼ ► in the keynote with various colors. I almost feel like Apple is sort of on its way, but not quite
00:55:59 ◼ ► willing to embrace the, everything's an automotive analogy, the car thing. So everyone knows when you
00:56:05 ◼ ► buy a car, rarely do you buy a car and get to choose a color like purple or pink, right? They
00:56:11 ◼ ► all have stupid names like Starlight, right? They're all called, even the white is not called
00:56:15 ◼ ► white. It's called like, you know, pearl, you know, opalescent, pearl, white or some, whatever.
00:56:21 ◼ ► There's always some fancy name for any color. And so we've got Space Gray, which is a fanciful name.
00:56:26 ◼ ► We've got Starlight and we've got Pink and Purple. Why not call, why don't you call Pink and Purple
00:56:33 ◼ ► or something too? Oh, interestingly, by the way, the watch does not come in Space Gray anymore
00:56:36 ◼ ► either. It comes in Midnight, which looks like a very dark grayish blue. So it's close, like,
00:56:42 ◼ ► like Midnight and Starlight are close to Space Gray and Silver, but they're subtly not. Midnight
00:56:48 ◼ ► is darker than any Space Gray has ever been for sure. Well, in the pictures, it's, you know,
00:56:52 ◼ ► it's hard to tell, but they also offer something just called Blue, which is significantly lighter
00:56:57 ◼ ► looking than last year's Blue Series 6. So we'll see how this goes. We might have to see these in
00:57:03 ◼ ► person. And by the way, red ring on the, what is it called? The crown? It's red on all of them.
00:57:11 ◼ ► Oh, that's interesting. Even, even the non-cellular ones? Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying like the
00:57:15 ◼ ► Blue one has a red ring. The Silver/Starlight one has a red ring. The Navy/Midnight one has a red
00:57:22 ◼ ► ring. Like I would guess the product shots are just all indicating cellular like Marko was
00:57:26 ◼ ► alluding to. I know, but it's just not color coordinated. I feel like, yeah. And also I,
00:57:32 ◼ ► I mean, and I know like they have to have a ring there. It doesn't have to be red, but they have to
00:57:37 ◼ ► have a ring to electrically separate the middle of the middle of the crown, which is used for the
00:57:41 ◼ ► heart sensing and the outside of the crown. And so, so it has to be like electrically non-conductive
00:57:45 ◼ ► boundary between those two. But I do kind of think the red ring does not look good anymore. Like with
00:57:51 ◼ ► most of the colors that they offer, I think that should just be black on everything now. Like I
00:57:55 ◼ ► think the red doesn't look good. It looks good on the Silver one, I think. Occasionally, but like
00:58:00 ◼ ► if the color is neutral, if the watch color is neutral, the red accent looks good. If the watch
00:58:04 ◼ ► itself has a color like the Blue one, the red seems like it's competing. And the Red one, they
00:58:09 ◼ ► no longer sell a neutral colored watch. They do the star starlight. I feel like is neutral. I don't
00:58:14 ◼ ► think so. We'll see how it looks in person. I can't tell. And I look at my true tone screen here and
00:58:19 ◼ ► at night with weird yellow lighting, I don't know what it's doing to these colors. Yeah. We'd
00:58:23 ◼ ► definitely have to see these in person, but anyway, this, this is not new. The red ring thing has
00:58:31 ◼ ► of other things to mention with regard to the watch. Uh, first of all, it is available later
00:58:35 ◼ ► this fall, uh, which we don't know anything more than that. Uh, additionally they, they touted all
00:58:41 ◼ ► day battery life, which I can tell you on my series six is not really fricking true, but whatever,
00:58:46 ◼ ► uh, 33% faster charging. And I might have these wrong. This happened very quickly. And I was
00:58:51 ◼ ► trying to take notes. So, so again, check my math on this, but I believe they said it would go from
00:58:56 ◼ ► 0% charge to 80% in 45 minutes. And it was something like eight minutes was enough to do
00:59:03 ◼ ► sleep tracking or something like that. Again, it was eight minutes of charging for eight hours of
00:59:07 ◼ ► sleep tracking. There you go. Uh, and, and it has apparently a USB C charger, which by the way,
00:59:13 ◼ ► Apple has already sold USB C Apple watch chargers for a long time. Just, they were, they were like,
00:59:18 ◼ ► they, these little short ones for traveling, which has actually been great, but no one ever
00:59:22 ◼ ► knew about them or bought them. Um, but this is, this is presumably a USB power delivery charger,
00:59:26 ◼ ► which is probably going to be faster wattage. Right. And so, uh, I don't know. It was unclear
00:59:31 ◼ ► to me if the puck portion was different. I thought they implied that it was, but again,
00:59:36 ◼ ► maybe I got that wrong. So it'll charge faster, which is nice. I mean, I wouldn't say that I
00:59:40 ◼ ► personally feel like it charges too slowly in the series six, but certainly faster charging is
00:59:45 ◼ ► better, especially if you're trying to do sleep tracking. Um, if they said they're going to have
00:59:49 ◼ ► a lot of new colors for existing bands, they did explicitly say that it will be compatible with
00:59:58 ◼ ► that's super cheap, your favorite, the series three is only 200 bucks. Oh my God. How is this
01:00:05 ◼ ► still a thing? I mean, I know we're going to have to complain about the series three, but the se is
01:00:09 ◼ ► still the same too, right? Yeah. That's the thing. Like, so last year when the series three, which
01:00:14 ◼ ► was super old last year, uh, when they, when they dropped that price to one 99 and they introduced
01:00:21 ◼ ► the se at two 79 last year, everybody said, okay, well it sucks that we have to have the series three
01:00:27 ◼ ► for one more year, but at least next year, which is now they'll drop the series three finally.
01:00:33 ◼ ► And then they'll drop the price of the se from two 79 to one 99. Well, guess what happened this year?
01:00:39 ◼ ► Nothing. They kept the series three at one 99 and they kept the se at two 79. No change.
01:00:48 ◼ ► To be clear, this is not like the iPhone se where there was a new phone called iPhone se that was
01:00:52 ◼ ► better than the old phone call iPhone se. Doesn't that, isn't that what they did in the phone?
01:00:55 ◼ ► Right. And yeah, and the Apple watch se is basically a series five minus the always on screen,
01:01:00 ◼ ► like hardware wise, it's, it's effectively that it's like a lower end. Oh, and I think minus the
01:01:05 ◼ ► EKG support as well. So it's like, it's effectively like a, like a, a feature cut series five to make
01:01:10 ◼ ► it more like the series four, but with the series five guts. Um, so it's not, the se is, is a totally
01:01:16 ◼ ► fine watch. Um, and, but there's no reason like it, the se was seemingly built to be inexpensive.
01:01:23 ◼ ► So obviously the longterm plan I hope is to do exactly what we expected to happen today,
01:01:29 ◼ ► which was drop it to 200 bucks and call and get rid of the three and call it a day and keep it in
01:01:34 ◼ ► line for awhile. But that didn't happen today for unknown and unclear reasons. I'm so sorry.
01:01:41 ◼ ► And the series three, the reason why we're upset, it's not because like, oh, we're making fun of
01:01:45 ◼ ► old things. It's because the series three is not a good product in 2021. It also wasn't a good
01:01:51 ◼ ► product in 2020. Um, it was a fine product when it came out in 2017 or something. 2018 is when it
01:01:58 ◼ ► came out, it was fine. Um, but the series three now is very difficult for both Apple and developers
01:02:04 ◼ ► to support. If you remember what, there were a lot of changes from three to four, three to four is
01:02:09 ◼ ► when they changed to the new industrial design with the more rounded corners, the, um, you know,
01:02:13 ◼ ► more edge to edge screen. Um, and that added a whole bunch of, um, watch face changes that were
01:02:20 ◼ ► made possible by it having a much faster 64 bit processor and much more Ram and much more storage
01:02:26 ◼ ► space. The Apple watch series three experience of ownership today is terrible. Apple watch series
01:02:31 ◼ ► three owners. Like you have to like unload your watch to do a software update because there's not
01:02:41 ◼ ► that's how bad the experience is. The series three, it cannot use any of the modern watch faces.
01:02:46 ◼ ► It cannot use color complications, anything that includes the word infographic and it's
01:02:53 ◼ ► the 38 millimeter size, the entry level size, uh, which personally a separate discussion is like
01:03:01 ◼ ► Apple hasn't made a watch that size since then. And so for people who need or want a smaller watch,
01:03:08 ◼ ► the 40 millimeter one that's existed since then is good. That's the one I wear, but, uh, it's
01:03:13 ◼ ► certainly bigger. And so there is, you know, they made everything bigger and never really refilled
01:03:18 ◼ ► a small one. But anyway, as a developer supporting that screen size is very, very hard because it's
01:03:30 ◼ ► not only did the watch itself get bigger when it went from 38 to 40, but the screen margin
01:03:35 ◼ ► got way smaller. And so you get a way bigger screen with the 40 millimeter series four, five,
01:03:40 ◼ ► and six and se than you do with the series three. So keeping around the series three is not just
01:03:45 ◼ ► like, Oh, the next one up is 20% faster. Like the jump from three to four was a huge jump in both
01:03:52 ◼ ► hardware specs of just, you know, CPU and Ram, as well as the practical effect of having to try to
01:03:57 ◼ ► support that old version, um, in, in UI design and apps and for Apple with the OS. And so the fact
01:04:04 ◼ ► that they're selling it now still means that watchOS eight not only couldn't drop it cause
01:04:09 ◼ ► they were selling it last year, but this also means that watchOS nine next year probably can't
01:04:14 ◼ ► drop support for the series three either. And neither can any of us who run apps for it. And
01:04:18 ◼ ► that sucks for both Apple and all developers out there. And frankly, everyone who buys one of these
01:04:23 ◼ ► watches today, because it's a terrible product to be buying new in 2021, if you still have a series
01:04:29 ◼ ► three and it still works for you great, but to be buying it new in 2021 and to expect it to be an
01:04:35 ◼ ► okay experience two or three years from now, let alone even just now, I think it's setting people
01:04:42 ◼ ► up for failure and for crappy experiences and a crappy opinion of Apple. And that's, this is a
01:04:47 ◼ ► product that's so old and so low end by today's standards. They shouldn't be selling it at all.
01:04:53 ◼ ► And if they can't sell the Apple watch SE for a cheaper price, I still think they should still
01:04:58 ◼ ► stop selling the series three because it is not a good product to be selling right now.
01:05:02 ◼ ► You know, I agree with basically everything you said, but I would hope, and I would guess that if
01:05:10 ◼ ► they're still going to sell this seemingly ancient watch that hopefully they would do something on
01:05:17 ◼ ► their end to make the experience less crummy. Like maybe they would do some optimizations in the OS
01:05:23 ◼ ► to make it faster. Maybe they would make the OS smaller. So you don't have to unload everything
01:05:27 ◼ ► on your watch in order to do a software update. I, again, I'm not really arguing with anything
01:05:32 ◼ ► you're saying. I can only hope and assume that there has been work put in to make it better,
01:05:38 ◼ ► but who really knows? And I, and I still would assume that I've been working on old products
01:05:44 ◼ ► like that. I mean, I, what I would pitch for the people listening to this is the, the SE is only
01:05:48 ◼ ► 80 bucks more, right? So just buy a knockoff band from Amazon for way less money than Apple charges
01:05:54 ◼ ► and save money for an extra month and just get the SE it's like a market was already outlined. It's
01:06:01 ◼ ► so much better product than the series three and the prices are close enough that you should just
01:06:05 ◼ ► wait a little longer, get a cheap band from Amazon and get the SE instead. Yeah. Cause it,
01:06:10 ◼ ► not only is it so much better in lots of ways, it will also last longer because it doesn't have
01:06:16 ◼ ► such ancient hardware. Like for 80 bucks more, you get, I think two or three year old better
01:06:22 ◼ ► hardware than what like it's, it's a pretty big jump in hardware specs and it's way nicer to use
01:06:27 ◼ ► cause it's so much faster and has the more modern screen supports all the more modern watch faces
01:06:31 ◼ ► and complications and everything else. So it's, it's just so much better on those ways. Plus it
01:06:36 ◼ ► will last you longer in software support and performance. All right. Well, I'm sorry everyone
01:06:41 ◼ ► about series three, but you know, here we are. They did a little bit with Jay Blahnik with regard
01:06:46 ◼ ► to fitness plus I've been using fitness plus a fair bit over the last few months and I really
01:06:51 ◼ ► like it a lot. It's certainly not for everyone, but I quite like it. Um, it's joining 15 new
01:06:56 ◼ ► countries later this fall. They will continue to do workouts only in English or at least that's what
01:07:00 ◼ ► they implied, but they will subtitle in six languages. Uh, there will, there will be new
01:07:05 ◼ ► Pilates workouts, new guided meditations. Uh, there will be workouts to quote, get you ready for snow
01:07:11 ◼ ► season quote. And then they, they did something which was probably the smarter thing to do,
01:07:17 ◼ ► but it is not what I wanted them to do. They are now going to do group workouts and they
01:07:22 ◼ ► specifically said it is powered by SharePlay, which is delayed. Uh, but they said you can
01:07:27 ◼ ► work out with up to 32 people at once and do this remotely. Unfortunately they made no mention of
01:07:35 ◼ ► doing anything where it's anything like I want to do, which is Aaron and I working out on the same
01:07:40 ◼ ► TV, you know, on doing the same workout at the same time on the same TV. That's what I want to do.
01:07:45 ◼ ► Uh, and they don't seem to care about that. They want you to buy your own iPad or television or
01:07:49 ◼ ► phone or what have you. Buy a second Apple TV, second television. It's like having two X boxes in
01:07:53 ◼ ► the house and playing Halo. Exactly. So I still think this is neat and I know a lot of people
01:07:58 ◼ ► that don't do Apple Fitness Plus workouts, but do like other kinds of workouts like Beachbody
01:08:02 ◼ ► workouts while simultaneously on zoom or teams or what have you to like cheer each other on and so
01:08:08 ◼ ► on and so forth. That's not personally for me, but I know a lot of people that do it. And so I think
01:08:13 ◼ ► this is a very good idea. I think it's a, it's a clever use of SharePlay. Unfortunately it doesn't
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01:10:10 ◼ ► At about 1.35, so about 35 minutes into the show, we got the iPhone. This is presented by
01:10:18 ◼ ► Kai-An Drance. We start with the iPhone 13. It has a smaller notch with the front-facing camera
01:10:24 ◼ ► mounted way to the left. According to Twitter, although the notch is not as wide, it may be
01:10:31 ◼ ► taller, question mark? It's hard to tell from the photo. Someone needs to find whatever the specs
01:10:36 ◼ ► are they give to case makers or screen protector makers, whatever. It's plausible. If it is taller,
01:10:41 ◼ ► it's taller by a very, very tiny amount, maybe a fraction of a millimeter. It's just interesting
01:10:45 ◼ ► if they did actually end up making taller. It doesn't really make that much of a difference,
01:10:49 ◼ ► though. I didn't notice it being taller. When I ran the Xcode simulator right before the show,
01:10:58 ◼ ► but I don't think it's meaningfully, if any, taller. I was kind of surprised that they'd
01:11:03 ◼ ► mentioned that it was narrower in the keynote because it's the type of thing that Apple
01:11:07 ◼ ► sometimes just doesn't mention. It's just zoom you'll notice because they don't want to draw
01:11:10 ◼ ► attention to the notch, but they did. They said, "Hey, it's a narrower notch. Isn't that great?"
01:11:13 ◼ ► The colors on this, I'm kind of jumping ahead a little bit. The colors, I'm really digging on the
01:11:19 ◼ ► colors. They have a nice rose goldy pinky one. The blue, I don't remember the actual terms for
01:11:26 ◼ ► the colors, but the blue looks really, really nice. Is it just blue? It's called pink, blue,
01:11:31 ◼ ► midnight, and starlight, just like last time it said space green, silver, midnight, and starlight.
01:11:45 ◼ ► Only the pro is being called Sierra blue. The regular Mini and 13 are just being called blue.
01:12:02 ◼ ► Which I think looks better. One question about the camera thing, and we'll talk more about this
01:12:06 ◼ ► with the pros, is the little plateau that they're on bigger? And do they stick out more overall
01:12:11 ◼ ► from the phone? I couldn't quite tell with the non-pro models. Certainly, we'll get to the pro
01:12:19 ◼ ► later, but when they showed the pro, they leaned way into how giant the camera plateau is. They're
01:12:26 ◼ ► like, "Look, this is just going to be what we're talking about the whole time." The way they shot
01:12:30 ◼ ► it with the video, almost like it was a mountain that they were approaching. I think the camera
01:12:36 ◼ ► area on these phones is going to look massive on pretty much all of them, especially the pros.
01:12:45 ◼ ► This is why we're all here, isn't it? You don't care that we made the CPU faster. You don't care
01:12:50 ◼ ► that we have new colors. You care about the camera, right? Well, here, we're going to give you
01:12:56 ◼ ► I mean, you would have thought from the intro video where they're doing CG flybys of the phone,
01:13:01 ◼ ► and again, this is more true of the pro, you would have thought that they were introducing a new
01:13:04 ◼ ► camera because it was like all the flybys were flying around the camera. It's like, "Oh, and by
01:13:07 ◼ ► the way, there's a phone attached to this camera." I mean, isn't that kind of the case?
01:13:13 ◼ ► A little bit. The camera is super important, but I mean, mostly because we already know this.
01:13:16 ◼ ► Well, especially this year. It seemed like this year also, most of the improvements this year
01:13:22 ◼ ► to the iPhone seem to be camera improvements. It seems like the improvements to the rest of
01:13:29 ◼ ► Well, they're harder to demo. I mean, we'll get to promotion in a little bit for the pros,
01:13:40 ◼ ► It's not a screen protector. They're trying to say like, "Oh, and whatever the... What do they
01:13:44 ◼ ► call the thing on top of the screen? Do they call it a crystal? Whatever." The protective layer.
01:13:54 ◼ ► projector does. And you'll notice in the ceramic shield, there's a little cutout for the earpiece
01:13:59 ◼ ► speaker that, as you mentioned in the last show, is shoved way to the top. So that is apparently
01:14:04 ◼ ► where the speaker is. It is very close to the top of this phone. And so I would... And part of the
01:14:10 ◼ ► reason I'm asking about the camera bump, as I was saying last week, "Oh, be careful if you buy a case
01:14:13 ◼ ► that has a lip over it because the lip might partially cover that speaker." And it's very easy
01:14:17 ◼ ► to accidentally blunt the sound from these tiny speakers if you cover any part of them, right?
01:14:22 ◼ ► But if the camera plateau on the back is different in any way, like if it's larger or smaller or
01:14:30 ◼ ► positioned differently, that means you're not going to be sharing cases with the 12. And so
01:14:38 ◼ ► enough not to cover the speaker. One would hope. So sticking with the 13 non-pro, there's also an
01:14:45 ◼ ► iPhone 13 mini, which appears, as far as I know, to be identical other than size to the 13, which
01:14:51 ◼ ► is great. They specifically said, "The competition is still playing catch-up from two years ago with
01:14:56 ◼ ► regard to the A15." And speaking of the A15, this was presented by Hope Giles, six-core, two high
01:15:03 ◼ ► performance for efficiency, a four-core GPU, a 16-core neural engine, which will roll 15.8
01:15:10 ◼ ► trillion operations per second. And then it has two times the system cache. Now, my memory stinks,
01:15:17 ◼ ► but wasn't one of the things we decided about, maybe it was the M1, maybe it was the A14,
01:15:21 ◼ ► was that part of the reason it was so damn fast is because it had a tremendous amount of system cache?
01:15:26 ◼ ► Or am I making that up? No, that's correct. I think it depends also like what level. It's like,
01:15:31 ◼ ► is this L2? Is this L3? I don't know. But most of the people who know more about this stuff,
01:15:42 ◼ ► a lot of the performance has been attributed to that. So if they're doubling one of the caches
01:15:49 ◼ ► on the chip, that's a pretty significant thing. Well, they got more cores. The main thing that
01:15:55 ◼ ► makes these A-chip series chips fast is they can get instructions from, they can get data
01:16:01 ◼ ► instructions from memory very efficiently because it's high bandwidth, and they can dispatch a bunch
01:16:05 ◼ ► of them simultaneously. I forget how wide the dispatch unit is, but it was like wider than
01:16:12 ◼ ► Intel chips because for Intel chips for the x86 going more than, I forget what the number is,
01:16:16 ◼ ► I'm sorry, I'm getting this wrong. Maybe it's like 60 coders or something. There's no point in
01:16:20 ◼ ► getting more of them just because of the dependencies and the variable instruction size,
01:16:23 ◼ ► whereas Apple's A series chips and the M series chips can get tons of data and instructions and
01:16:29 ◼ ► send them all through the cores at once. It can keep the engine fed because usually what slows
01:16:33 ◼ ► down chips is not like, oh, this chip isn't fast enough to do a computation. There's nothing for
01:16:37 ◼ ► it to do. I'm an adder. I'm ready to add two numbers together. Who's got two numbers for
01:16:40 ◼ ► me to add? And it's like, ah, sorry. There's not that many instructions that we can pull and decode
01:16:45 ◼ ► and shove down into you. So you're starved a little bit because we've got a data dependency and
01:16:48 ◼ ► reorder buffers and all that other stuff. So having Apple's architecture and its instruction
01:16:53 ◼ ► set and everything is tailored to be able to essentially get more stuff. If you think of like
01:16:58 ◼ ► meat going through a grinding machine, they can get more stuff in there and just send it through.
01:17:02 ◼ ► And so you've got more cores and it's not, you know, it's not 40 cores, but six is more than,
01:17:07 ◼ ► you know, six is more than I had last year, right? You need to keep them fed. And if you want to keep
01:17:12 ◼ ► them fed more cores also means an increase in the amount of cash. Now, what they said, it's two
01:17:16 ◼ ► times the amount of cash, which is way larger increase than the increase in the core count.
01:17:22 ◼ ► But the core count alone probably means that you want to have more cash just so, uh, your, you know,
01:17:27 ◼ ► your extra cores aren't fighting for cash space with the, you know, with the core, same number
01:17:31 ◼ ► of courses you had last year. So, um, the, the, the eight 15, and also I saw a lot of stuff,
01:17:37 ◼ ► rumors about the 15 and thermal throttling and everything. And, you know, every one of these
01:17:41 ◼ ► phone ships thermal throttle because they're in a phone and there's no fan and they get hot playing
01:17:45 ◼ ► games and so on and so forth. But as we get higher and higher end chips, unless we have, uh, you know,
01:17:51 ◼ ► and this is a shrink, right? So last year was seven nanometers, right? And this is five.
01:17:55 ◼ ► I think the eight 14 and the M one were also five. I had first heard that, but I think on
01:18:03 ◼ ► confirmation, I think that it's actually not a shrink. Well, anyway, but when you have something
01:18:07 ◼ ► like this, where you're cranking up the core count, uh, you can't just run all those all the
01:18:11 ◼ ► time. Cause you'll heat alone. There's going to be a problem. So the name of the game is always,
01:18:16 ◼ ► you have these facilities available for you for burst performance, but then you chill back out
01:18:20 ◼ ► and you go in your efficiency course and stuff like that. And so, um, this, this a 15 is probably
01:18:28 ◼ ► capable of draining a battery faster, which is why these phones have bigger batteries, like actually
01:18:33 ◼ ► physically bigger batteries, um, which, uh, you know, hopefully give us, you know, we'll talk
01:18:38 ◼ ► about the battery life plans in a little bit, but if you cranked up everything on these, like you
01:18:41 ◼ ► played a game that they used all the GPU cores and all the CPU cores, they will produce a huge
01:18:45 ◼ ► amount of heat and suck down a huge amount of power. Um, but if you're not playing a game,
01:18:50 ◼ ► that horsepower is there just waiting for you in tiny little bursts, but most of the time to be
01:18:55 ◼ ► able to make it through the day, you're not even close to tapping into them. That's also where the
01:18:59 ◼ ► caching comes in handy, which is like, Oh, just, we have data, a data set that can fit in cash and
01:19:04 ◼ ► we will nibble away at it with our efficiency cores and everything will be chill. Oh, but by the way,
01:19:09 ◼ ► we do actually have to put a physically larger battery in these things because if we do crank
01:19:13 ◼ ► up all the machinery we've put in them, uh, we will eat power. So you'll be doomed. Yeah. So I
01:19:19 ◼ ► think it's kind of weird where they do with the, we keep on like the S generation, but like where
01:19:23 ◼ ► they don't change the outside case, it's more or less looks the same, you know, even if the camera
01:19:28 ◼ ► bumps change slightly, but they do change the internals and Apple made this point in the
01:19:32 ◼ ► presentation. It's not like basically internals and like mildly tweak them. If you look at what's
01:19:36 ◼ ► inside this phone, it really doesn't have any bearing on what was inside the previous phone.
01:19:41 ◼ ► Right. It's a new motherboard is new battery. It's new camera system. Like it's inside is all
01:19:46 ◼ ► new stuff on the outside. I know it looks the same, but inside it might as well be an entirely
01:19:51 ◼ ► different phone. So don't just think of this as like, Oh, it's just like the, it's just like the
01:19:57 ◼ ► 12, but a little bit better. I mean, that's kind of true, but it's not like they took the 12 and
01:20:02 ◼ ► like replace one small component. This is an all new phone on the inside. It's just that on the
01:20:06 ◼ ► outside, it looks the same. So the, and I'll also say like the 13, like the 12, this is the, this
01:20:14 ◼ ► is the phone to get, right? If you don't care about the pro features, which you honestly,
01:20:17 ◼ ► you probably shouldn't, despite what Apple said in their market materials, like just then a little
01:20:21 ◼ ► bit. And despite what we're going to talk about in just a second, the 13, it has the matte finish
01:20:29 ◼ ► aluminum. That's a lot of people like better than the finish on the pro ones. I think it's
01:20:33 ◼ ► slightly lighter. It has the same system on the chip as the, the supposed pro one. It has one
01:20:40 ◼ ► fewer camera. So like, it doesn't have the same system on chip as the pro and the pro one has
01:20:45 ◼ ► more GPU cores. It has the pro has five and the mini and 13 have, have four. So it's not a huge
01:20:52 ◼ ► difference. I wonder if that's a, you know, it has five, but one of them is, one of them is dead or
01:20:56 ◼ ► whatever, but probably, but anyway, like you won't, that won't make a difference in your life. I
01:21:01 ◼ ► promise you like this is that this, this thing that this change they made with the 12, basically
01:21:06 ◼ ► making the 12, you know, not feel like a step down from the 12 pro is so smart. And this,
01:21:13 ◼ ► these phones are so good. Uh, I, you know, I, if I was getting on, which I'm not, I, you know, I,
01:21:19 ◼ ► I would get the pro because I'm silly, right. But I'm so glad this phone exists. And I'm so glad
01:21:24 ◼ ► that this is the one without any qualifiers is just iPhone 13. If you want to store and you get
01:21:28 ◼ ► the iPhone 13, you will come away with a really good phone. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm very happy with this
01:21:35 ◼ ► product this year. Yeah. Some real time follow up by the way. Um, the a 14 was also, uh, five
01:21:41 ◼ ► nanometers, uh, she's like the 15 and the 14 was also, um, two performance cores and four efficiency
01:21:47 ◼ ► cores. Uh, so generally it doesn't, Oh, and it was also four quarters of the GPU. So same as this,
01:21:54 ◼ ► uh, except for the pro phones. Oh, I thought they had added course. No, they didn't. It's so the,
01:21:59 ◼ ► the, the, um, you know, the basic metrics, you know, of the iPhone or the, the 15 processor of
01:22:05 ◼ ► like how many cores it has, what process it's manufactured on. Those are all matching still
01:22:10 ◼ ► from the 14. So I'm sure it is better, but again, I, I think this, this further supports that this
01:22:16 ◼ ► might not be that much of a processor jump this year. It might be, you know, possibly like
01:22:21 ◼ ► single digit percentage faster in certain things, you know, maybe like, you know, 10 or 15% at best
01:22:26 ◼ ► and certain things. But we're not talking about a massive thing here. Now they did the, you know,
01:22:30 ◼ ► the, the non CPU parts of the system on a chip. They did a whole bunch of stuff there with like
01:22:36 ◼ ► video encoders and decoders and stuff like that. This is the neural engine, the 16 core neural
01:22:41 ◼ ► engine. Is that an increasing chorus? Maybe? No, it's not 16 cores in the a 14. So I mean,
01:22:50 ◼ ► This definitely explains the battery life claims later because yeah, they did put a bigger battery
01:22:54 ◼ ► in there, but if they were, it's all right. So that's, so forget about all that stuff with the
01:23:00 ◼ ► it seems like that, you know, they've, they've done some stuff. Obviously we'll see, you know,
01:23:04 ◼ ► as we get these things in our hands eventually and people do some testing, we'll see like what's
01:23:08 ◼ ► actually better about it relative to the a 14. But again, I would expect this is a very small
01:23:14 ◼ ► year for the chip and a big year in other areas like the camera, but the chip is not a reason to
01:23:19 ◼ ► buy these phones right now. So I do wonder if the M two, sorry to talk about max stuff, but if the
01:23:24 ◼ ► M two is going to use a 15 cores, how much of a difference it will make, like how much of it,
01:23:29 ◼ ► how much of an upgrade over the M one will the M two be? If it, if it also has the same, if it
01:23:34 ◼ ► has the same number of courses, the M one, in other words, if you just take the M one, more or
01:23:38 ◼ ► less the same core counts everywhere, but upgrade them to the a 15 versions of those cores, would it
01:23:43 ◼ ► would it be a big upgrade? Cause I was, you know, or maybe the M two is on a different path. We
01:23:46 ◼ ► don't know when the M two is not a real thing that exists yet, but like, I'm going to be very interested
01:23:55 ◼ ► their competitors or, you know, the three-year-old chip that's in the cheap iPad or whatever.
01:24:01 ◼ ► And we dismissed that as like, Oh, it's, it's not interesting for you to compare the competitors,
01:24:08 ◼ ► but it's only because we all know the competitors suck compared to chips. Like it's a, it's a
01:24:12 ◼ ► quote unquote, unfair, uninformative comparison was like, yeah, but not Apple chips suck. That's
01:24:18 ◼ ► not telling me anything. What I want to know is how much faster are you than the previous best
01:24:22 ◼ ► Apple thing? And if that number is not big enough, I'm going to be disappointed or whatever, but
01:24:27 ◼ ► you know, the a 15 is not a slow chip. Presumably it is faster than the a 14. Even if all of the
01:24:39 ◼ ► would be shocked if anything is more than 15% faster, even in artificial benchmarks. But
01:24:43 ◼ ► that's, that's honestly plenty. Um, what people want from their phone is I is not like I wish the
01:24:50 ◼ ► CPU is faster. It's they want the battery last longer and it seems like they have solved that
01:24:53 ◼ ► problem by including a bigger battery. It seems so now we should talk about the 13 camera, not the
01:24:59 ◼ ► pro, but the 13 camera, the wide camera, which is there like standard camera is quote, the biggest
01:25:05 ◼ ► sensor we've ever put in our dual camera system. Quote, it allows 50% more light. It's F 1.6.
01:25:12 ◼ ► It has the sensor shift stabilization, uh, that was coming off the, uh, 12 max. Is that right?
01:25:19 ◼ ► Correct. Okay. Uh, and it was unclear to me which lenses on which, on which phones I almost said,
01:25:25 ◼ ► which cameras, which lenses on which phones, uh, have the stabilization, but at least the wide or
01:25:31 ◼ ► standard camera on the 13 definitely does the ultra wide. Uh, they said it's going to be a lot
01:25:38 ◼ ► better. And then they introduced cinematic mode for video, which I don't know. I'm happy to do a
01:25:45 ◼ ► chief summarizer and chief summary of this, but if you guys got a better read on this, on the
01:25:49 ◼ ► technical details of this, I'm happy to step aside and let you handle it. Yeah. I think from what
01:25:53 ◼ ► I've been able to surmise, it's, that's what we talked about in the rumors last episode, like,
01:25:56 ◼ ► oh, imagine portrait mode, but instead of it being done for photograph done for video, and it seems
01:26:02 ◼ ► similar to that, right? So it is apparently capturing depth information along with the video.
01:26:08 ◼ ► And then once you have that depth information, you can, after the fact, after you've recorded
01:26:14 ◼ ► the video, decide which things you want it to blur, because it understands what is in front
01:26:19 ◼ ► of what, because it has depth information. Uh, and the stuff that they show, they showed like
01:26:24 ◼ ► the rack focus and you know, the focusing on different things, right? Obviously you can do
01:26:29 ◼ ► that while you're recording, but then even you can change it after the fact, but it's, it's not,
01:26:32 ◼ ► it's not like focusing like you would by twisting lens or whatever it is doing the portrait mode,
01:26:38 ◼ ► blur business where, because it understands the depth of the photo, the depth of the video in some
01:26:43 ◼ ► way it can blur and it has the same, I would assume exactly the same weaknesses, although
01:26:47 ◼ ► maybe a better for year over year in terms of finding the edges of the hair and ears and,
01:26:52 ◼ ► you know, the little triangle between your elbow and your body when you put your hands on your
01:26:56 ◼ ► hips and all, all the problems that portrait mode has had of trying to figure stuff out,
01:27:00 ◼ ► presumably powered by LIDAR now, well, not LIDAR on these ones, I guess, but on the Pro it has
01:27:04 ◼ ► LIDAR. Um, but like, I mean, it gets better every year at not blurring off people's ears and stuff,
01:27:10 ◼ ► but still I don't expect miracles out of this. And the final thing that I was kind of disappointed
01:27:18 ◼ ► you take a picture and it does the depth information and you know, blurs and so on and so
01:27:21 ◼ ► forth. Now it's got to do that in video. Isn't that so much harder? It is. Uh, and that is probably
01:27:27 ◼ ► why at least on the 13, I don't know, I think on the 13 pro as well, this thing cinematic mode
01:27:33 ◼ ► is limited to 1080 P 30 frames per second. Oh yeah. That's a bummer. It's on the, it's on the
01:27:39 ◼ ► iPhone 13 pro specs page. That's it. Right. So no 4k, no 120 frames per second, nothing like that.
01:27:45 ◼ ► And it's presumably because that's the rated, which it can, you know, handle gathering the
01:27:50 ◼ ► depth information, right? Cause I mean, I guess it needs to render it in frame as well. I'm not
01:27:55 ◼ ► sure what the limiting factor is, whether it's, I, we can't collect that information in more than
01:27:58 ◼ ► 30 frames per second, or we can't render in real time. The effect that we need to, we can't do the
01:28:08 ◼ ► limitation that shows that this feature is really pushing the limits of the tech they have in these,
01:28:20 ◼ ► I don't, I think it looks weird. Like it is. It doesn't mean like I, even the one that they
01:28:26 ◼ ► showed like before they said, and that's the, we actually shot that video that you just saw with
01:28:30 ◼ ► it. Even that I, I, when, when the, when the focus changes from something in the foreground
01:28:36 ◼ ► to something in the background, the way it changes looks weird to me. Like it, it looks both
01:28:43 ◼ ► too fast of a change and it looks like it kind of passes the point where it should go and then kind
01:28:47 ◼ ► of pops back. I think it's kind of doing that on purpose to make it seem like, oh, a human is,
01:28:52 ◼ ► a human is twisting a lens or being a focus puller. I think a focus puller wouldn't screw that up,
01:28:56 ◼ ► but like a regular non-professional human twisting the lens of a camera to manually change focus,
01:29:02 ◼ ► it's very easy to overshoot and then come back a little bit. But yeah, I, so it looks more like
01:29:08 ◼ ► focus hunting. Like when a camera's doing contrast, no, like, no, that's what they call it when
01:29:13 ◼ ► cameras do contrast autofocus and like it like passes the optimal point and backs off back to the
01:29:18 ◼ ► best, best, the optimal point. It looked like that. And so it not only did it look weird,
01:29:23 ◼ ► but even like, again, like even the rate at which it was changing, it looked like a mistake,
01:29:29 ◼ ► not like, and it looked unnatural. Like, I don't know. To me, like maybe I'm just picky about this
01:29:33 ◼ ► kind of stuff. Cause I'm, I don't even look, I don't know anything about video. I've never pulled
01:29:38 ◼ ► focus, whatever that means. I don't like, I don't know anything about making videos, but I know when
01:29:44 ◼ ► something looks right and doesn't look right. And it didn't look right to me even beyond blurring
01:29:48 ◼ ► off people's hair. Yeah. It's not, it's not quite the same as the optical focusing, although they
01:29:52 ◼ ► do the best they can with the depth information. If you notice the scene they did, it was like
01:29:55 ◼ ► people in kind of like a dark mansion indoors, which the sort of darkish background probably
01:30:00 ◼ ► hides the sins of the edge finding algorithm. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's like when
01:30:05 ◼ ► you do special effects and you make it all dark, because if it was a sunny day, you'd see how bad
01:30:09 ◼ ► your CG is back in, you know, back in the day. So I, I think they're doing the best they can with the,
01:30:16 ◼ ► the stuff that's available to them. But yeah, I, with the hunting, like they tried to show like,
01:30:22 ◼ ► look, our phone will figure out like, Oh, when you hold the thing up really close to the camera,
01:30:27 ◼ ► it will focus on that. And when you put it down, it will focus on the thing behind it. That's the
01:30:30 ◼ ► thing that quote unquote, real cameras like YouTube reviews or whatever, like the, the new, the, the,
01:30:42 ◼ ► that's a feature of those cameras, but those cameras are actually changing focus as in a big,
01:30:48 ◼ ► you know, thing with glass and it is twisting and changing, right? That's what it's actually doing,
01:30:53 ◼ ► but it does it in response to the, Hey, if I hold up this product outstretched into my arm,
01:30:57 ◼ ► my YouTuber camera will focus on it. But then when I put the part back down on the, on the table,
01:31:02 ◼ ► it will focus on my face again. That's what the iPhone is doing. Well, it's not changing focus.
01:31:06 ◼ ► It is just blurring stuff out based on depth information that it's gathering, which is a neat
01:31:10 ◼ ► trick, but still not quite what people want out of their cameras. And I guess we'll, this isn't,
01:31:19 ◼ ► this isn't the thing where they had Catherine, Catherine Bigelow come out, right? So I guess
01:31:22 ◼ ► we'll talk about that later, but, um, but anyway, it's cool that it can do this at all and improve
01:31:27 ◼ ► cameras are appreciated and the iPhone does shoot really good video, but I think, you know,
01:31:34 ◼ ► bringing portrait mode to video, I have the same sort of position on it as I have on portrait,
01:31:42 ◼ ► because I see a lot of people use portrait mode for like all the pictures and they love it. So
01:32:02 ◼ ► I like who said battery life is better. The mini gets one and a half more hours, supposedly the 13
01:32:07 ◼ ► gets two and a half more hours. Uh, it uses smart data like LA like this year's phones, or I'm sorry,
01:32:14 ◼ ► the 2020 edition phones do. So it'll, it'll only use LTE when 5g is necessary. Uh, they made a
01:32:19 ◼ ► point of, uh, Hey, this uses MagSafe, including a new leather wallet that includes find my,
01:32:29 ◼ ► which I thought was quite funny. This is not the solution to the problem with this product. Oh,
01:32:33 ◼ ► we have a wallet product that can actually connects to the back of your phone with a magnet.
01:32:37 ◼ ► And guess what? It's pretty easy to knock it off. And no one wants to lose their wallet. How can
01:32:40 ◼ ► we solve this problem? Let's think everybody. What can we do? Oh, I know let's put a thing in it to
01:32:47 ◼ ► let people find it after you know, make it so it doesn't get lost. You know how it won't get lost.
01:32:52 ◼ ► If you make an actual wallet case that wraps around your entire phone, do lots of people who
01:32:56 ◼ ► have wallet cases for their phone constantly say, Oh no, the wallet case fell off my phone again.
01:33:00 ◼ ► And I lost my wallet. No, it never falls off. It's like, they're on there like a death grip.
01:33:04 ◼ ► It's a pain to get your phone out of them because it wraps around the edges of the entire phone and
01:33:09 ◼ ► it becomes, Oh, this wallet product. Like it amazes me that someone had this meaning. It's
01:33:14 ◼ ► like, I know how we can solve this. We've got these amazing, what is it? What are those things
01:33:17 ◼ ► called that you find your bike with Marco? I've already forgotten air tax. We've got this amazing
01:33:22 ◼ ► air tag tech. What have you put an air tag in our overpriced magnetic wallet thing that way when it,
01:33:26 ◼ ► when it accidentally falls off, people might find it. No, no Apple stop. Leave it. Like what are
01:33:32 ◼ ► they doing over there? Oh God. It's hurts me to think about it's it's it's interesting. And it
01:33:38 ◼ ► can't be an air tag because there's no battery spot. So I don't know whatever they're doing,
01:33:42 ◼ ► whatever technology they're doing, that's not the solution. Like making it easier to find a lot
01:33:46 ◼ ► after I lose it. I don't want to lose it. I don't want it to fall off the back of my phone.
01:33:49 ◼ ► It's a bad product. It's funny. So 13 mini 699, 13, 799. They said that you can get up to $700
01:34:02 ◼ ► capacity from 64 gigs to 128, which is great. And you can get a half terabyte, which is pretty cool.
01:34:07 ◼ ► And you forgot to mention the 5g more bands and more places. This is as close as we got to any
01:34:11 ◼ ► kind of mild confirmation of the idea that if there are bands for that used to be used for
01:34:16 ◼ ► satellite communication that were reallocated to 5g and the now those new modems can use them.
01:34:20 ◼ ► I don't know if that's related to this, but they did say more bands and importantly, they didn't
01:34:26 ◼ ► say anything about satellite. So if you, in case you're wondering if the new iPhones have any
01:34:29 ◼ ► satellite stuff, they do not. Yeah. They probably would have mentioned that. Yeah, I would think
01:34:33 ◼ ► so. I phoned 13 pro this is a, what I'm going to be getting, I think because I again believe
01:34:39 ◼ ► in rampant consumerism. So there are three cameras just like before there. Before you get to that,
01:34:45 ◼ ► do the, do the weight stuff because now it's the time to talk about weights. Oh, okay. They're all
01:34:49 ◼ ► slightly heavier than last year. Exactly. Like not, not just the pros, but they're all a little
01:34:54 ◼ ► bit heavier. And I assume that's like bigger battery and battery is pretty dense and heavy
01:34:59 ◼ ► part of it. I don't, I don't know where the weight is. Now in the grand scheme of things, we're
01:35:02 ◼ ► talking like, you know, 10, 20 grams, right? But they are getting heavier in the previous years.
01:35:07 ◼ ► Phones weren't particularly light. Like they feel big and dense. It's the type of thing that once
01:35:13 ◼ ► you get the phone and it becomes your phone, you just get used to it and you don't notice it
01:35:16 ◼ ► anymore. But if you do this every year, if you have like a 10, 15 gram increase every year,
01:35:21 ◼ ► eventually you have some kind of problems. I don't think they're in the problems on yet,
01:35:24 ◼ ► but just FYI, these are a tiny little bit heavier across the board. All the phones like the,
01:35:28 ◼ ► the 13 is about 10 grams heavier than the 12 was the 13 pro is about like 13, 14 grams heavier
01:35:35 ◼ ► than the 12 pro was like that's, that's the range these things are in. So, you know, that, that,
01:35:40 ◼ ► and then I guess we can talk about the camera bump, which is the next thing that is not heavier,
01:35:44 ◼ ► but larger on the 13 pro. Yeah. So the cameras, um, oh, actually we should also talk about colors
01:35:52 ◼ ► very quickly. We've got Sierra blue as previously mentioned, which I think looks freaking good.
01:35:57 ◼ ► It's a very, very light blue. I really liked the midnight blue of my 12 pro, but I think this looks
01:36:01 ◼ ► excellent as well. Uh, so Sierra blue, silver, golden graphite, and actually think the graphite
01:36:06 ◼ ► looks pretty good too. It's a lighter gray than like one of the space grays or blacks or whatever
01:36:11 ◼ ► the black du jour. Not that you'll ever see a case because you're going to have a case on this.
01:36:14 ◼ ► You're damn right. I'm going to have a case. You can get a clear case, I guess. Although actually
01:36:19 ◼ ► that said, uh, I forgive me, I forget who it was in the chat, but somebody in the chat was pointing
01:36:22 ◼ ► out that with Apple care plus, if you purchase it today or later, so this is no good for my Apple
01:36:29 ◼ ► care plus that I purchased a year ago, but if you purchase Apple care plus today or later, a back
01:36:34 ◼ ► glass replacement is 30 bucks instead of a hundred, which is news to me. That is pretty good. And
01:36:42 ◼ ► it's making me wonder if I should go caseless case of this again, but we'll argue about that another
01:36:46 ◼ ► time because 30 bucks is not that bad. But I think, especially when their cases are like 50,
01:36:51 ◼ ► 60, 70 bucks, but whatever. I think you're right that I think I will go, I will put a case on this
01:36:56 ◼ ► because I'm trying to learn from my mistakes of two consecutive years I should add. But anyway,
01:37:04 ◼ ► It does look really good. I'm curious with the Sierra blue. Um, if you, if you recall the way
01:37:10 ◼ ► Jaws was describing, he, he, he mentioned that there's like special ceramic particles that are
01:37:15 ◼ ► in like just the, just the Sierra blue color. Like there's something special about that coating
01:37:20 ◼ ► or paint or whatever it is like there's something special about that that is different from the
01:37:24 ◼ ► others in its makeup besides just the color that it is. So I'm curious if it will actually look
01:37:29 ◼ ► noticeably different or if it just looks like a light blue case. I'm also curious, you know, one,
01:37:33 ◼ ► one of the major downsides of last year's pro line was just how incredibly fingerprinting those,
01:37:40 ◼ ► those steel case bands would get. And on the dark blue phone, you saw every single fingerprint that
01:37:45 ◼ ► ever touched that thing. So maybe by making the blue lighter and by putting magic particles in
01:37:50 ◼ ► the finish or something, maybe that makes it less fingerprinting. Oh, that's very good magic
01:37:55 ◼ ► particles. I like that. Um, actually before we get to the, I keep trying to bring up the cameras,
01:37:58 ◼ ► but before we get there, um, I should also note that we have the finally arrival of the high,
01:38:12 ◼ ► personally have not felt like I'm missing out on. I don't even feel like I noticed that that much
01:38:17 ◼ ► my iPad pro truth be told, but maybe I'm just not discerning enough one way or another. I think it's
01:38:22 ◼ ► great to have it. I wonder in hope that the variable refresh rate that certainly comes from
01:38:28 ◼ ► these displays, if maybe that helps with efficiency and battery life, because they were saying, you
01:38:32 ◼ ► know, Hey, when we don't need 60 Hertz, which is the default on older phones, we'll just refresh
01:38:37 ◼ ► it, you know, 10 Hertz or whatever the case may be. 10 was the minimum instead of the watch. The
01:38:41 ◼ ► watch does what one Hertz. I believe that's right. Interesting. I mean, obviously we didn't get the
01:38:44 ◼ ► always on screen on these phones either, so maybe 10 Hertz is sufficient, but it's interesting. They
01:38:48 ◼ ► didn't crank it all the way down to one. Yeah. I'm sure there's some electrical reason for that,
01:38:53 ◼ ► but I mean, I'm sure it's going, you know, like everything else with weird OLED power saving tricks,
01:38:57 ◼ ► it's going to probably depend a lot on what you are doing on the phone. Like this might save a
01:39:01 ◼ ► lot if you, if you like, you know, just have the phone sitting on a table with the screen on that
01:39:06 ◼ ► you like left it on for awhile. Just like reading Twitter when you're not scrolling, that's 10 Hertz.
01:39:11 ◼ ► That's true. Yeah. You know, cause like, you know, you might think like, Oh, I'm constantly touching
01:39:15 ◼ ► my phone, but you, you know, you probably like scroll it and then stop for even, even you're
01:39:19 ◼ ► stopping for a quarter second. Yeah. As far as the computer is concerned, it's like, like, you know,
01:39:24 ◼ ► billions of CPU cycles and dozens or hundreds of potential screen refreshes for all you read that
01:39:30 ◼ ► one tweet. So right. Exactly. I mean, that's like, like an overcast, that's how smart speed works.
01:39:33 ◼ ► It doesn't work by cutting out long pauses only it cuts out all the pauses or reduces them,
01:39:40 ◼ ► you know, proportionally, but like it even small pauses in the middle of words might be long enough
01:39:45 ◼ ► for it to trim down a little bit. And you know, like, and you don't realize how much it actually
01:39:49 ◼ ► saves because you don't think of words as having silences inside of them, but they do. And similar
01:39:55 ◼ ► to this, like, you know, I think you're right on that. Like as you're scrolling through something,
01:39:59 ◼ ► you know, you scroll, stop, scroll, stop, scroll, stop. And all those stops, you can save time
01:40:04 ◼ ► there. You can save frames there and all that will add up, you know, probably not to massive battery
01:40:09 ◼ ► gains, but some battery gain. I did want to mention the screens on both the pro and the regular
01:40:16 ◼ ► iPhone 13 have gotten significantly brighter. The max brightness is up. They're, they're both up to
01:40:21 ◼ ► see the 13 and mini are up to, I believe 800 nits sustained brightness and the max and the regular
01:40:28 ◼ ► pro are up to a thousand nits sustained brightness. And then they each can peak up to 1200 for for HDR
01:40:33 ◼ ► stuff. For HDR. I've actually occasionally watch television shows on my phone because I'm
01:40:39 ◼ ► downstairs and too lazy to go get the iPad or whatever. It's a really good screen. So let's go
01:40:43 ◼ ► go. Good. It's got good blacks. Like, you know, and if you, if the show you're watching is HDR,
01:40:52 ◼ ► All right. The camera system, it is the biggest camera advancement ever, supposedly it's a camera.
01:40:59 ◼ ► Yeah. I mean, that's speaking of you going caseless. I don't know how this thing was going,
01:41:04 ◼ ► is going to sit on the table without a case, because if you look at it from the profile and
01:41:08 ◼ ► they showed it in the keynote, so there's a little plateau that is like, Oh, it's like the back glass
01:41:14 ◼ ► of your phone puckers up a little bit. Right? So that's the plateau. Then on top of the plateau,
01:41:18 ◼ ► you've got the silver discs that define the cameras. Then poking out of the silver discs,
01:41:23 ◼ ► you have the black discs and all of those things, the plateau, it looks like the silver and the
01:41:27 ◼ ► black. They're all slightly bigger than they used to be. And so you add them all together and you get
01:41:31 ◼ ► a mighty camera bump, which makes me think like, so I saw a YouTube video, like iPhone 14 rumors,
01:41:38 ◼ ► and like, Oh, flush cameras in the back of the iPhone 14. Like really? We're going to go from
01:41:43 ◼ ► the biggest camera bump that we've ever had at an iPhone in one generation to flat. Maybe. I mean,
01:41:48 ◼ ► Hey, it's a generational leap. Like that's what we do. But anyway, this is a big camera bump and I
01:41:53 ◼ ► like it affects not just how it's, how this camera, how this phone would feel if you put it on a table
01:41:58 ◼ ► without a case on it. Right. But it also affects the cases that are designed for this because they
01:42:04 ◼ ► also have to have an even bigger and more prominent lip if they want, when you put it down on the
01:42:14 ◼ ► And gone are the days where like the thickness of the case would be sufficient to like, to make the
01:42:23 ◼ ► bottom surface of the phone flat. Like I suppose you can still do that, but that would be a pretty
01:42:26 ◼ ► thick case. Like again, look at this in the keynote in profile, I guess I should, I should
01:42:32 ◼ ► have done some like millimeter measurement to just figure like, uh, what, what percentage of
01:42:36 ◼ ► the thickness of the body of the phone is the camera bump. It looks like more than half, right.
01:42:43 ◼ ► It is very big. Um, and I think honestly, this is the correct trade-off for this device because
01:42:49 ◼ ► people love to take pictures with their phone. And if you can make this camera better by all means,
01:42:54 ◼ ► make it thicker. I'm just saying that this is, I feel like it's more, it's more of an issue in the,
01:43:02 ◼ ► uh, it looks to me like the actual size of the rounded rectangle that contains the three camera
01:43:08 ◼ ► lenses is also bigger than it was. It looks like at this point, it is more than half. Like it's,
01:43:14 ◼ ► it's starting to look disproportionate. It's starting to look kind of like that idea that
01:43:19 ◼ ► you're going to put the cameras in the upper left corner of the phone. It's not in the upper left
01:43:23 ◼ ► corner anymore. It's just taking over the whole top of the phone. And so it's like, maybe should
01:43:28 ◼ ► we, should we center this? Should we think about not doing them in like a triangle design? Should
01:43:32 ◼ ► they be in a line? Should we just take up the whole top third of the phone? I'm really interested
01:43:38 ◼ ► to see what the next, like the iPhone 14, the next physical design of the phone does, because I think
01:43:43 ◼ ► we have exhausted this design of reserve the corner of the back of the phone for the camera.
01:43:50 ◼ ► It has outgrown the corner. It is now it's taking over. It's like all those parody shots where they
01:43:54 ◼ ► show like a hundred little cameras on the back of the phone. And again, I don't think that's the
01:43:58 ◼ ► wrong decision. Lots of other phones from other manufacturers do this. They essentially dedicate
01:44:01 ◼ ► the entire top half or a third of the thing, or they have a big line of cameras that go
01:44:06 ◼ ► horizontally vertically. Like this is a problem that every smartphone manufacturer is facing.
01:44:12 ◼ ► Apple is just not quite ready to face the music. So they have put out what I think is a little bit,
01:44:17 ◼ ► a little bit of an unbalanced design for the pro phone. And then like the bump is a little bit too
01:44:24 ◼ ► thick for this design and the plateau is a little bit too big and the cases make it look a little bit
01:44:31 ◼ ► unbalanced. I'm sure no one will really care about this because all people care about is that it
01:44:36 ◼ ► takes better pictures and this thing looks like it does. I just think we are, we are at the end
01:44:40 ◼ ► of this evolutionary stage and it's time to try something else next year. Yeah, I don't disagree.
01:44:47 ◼ ► However, I am really excited about this new camera system. I am really stoked for the 3x optical zoom
01:44:57 ◼ ► telephoto. I think that's going to be great. If there's anywhere that I feel like my iPhone really
01:45:02 ◼ ► falls down is if I'm not close to my subject. And especially when you have kids or dogs or whatever,
01:45:09 ◼ ► oftentimes you can't or can't quickly or conveniently get close to your subject. And so
01:45:15 ◼ ► to have a telephoto at all is really helpful for me anyway. And to have a 3x optical, I think is
01:45:20 ◼ ► going to be great. So I'm really excited about that before I move on Marco thoughts on the
01:45:24 ◼ ► telephoto. As somebody who has not had a more than 1x lens for the last year, I do miss the
01:45:32 ◼ ► telephoto. I have the same issue that like the, the limit of whether I can use my iPhone to
01:45:38 ◼ ► reasonably get a shot usually is not do I have enough megapixels usually the limit is do I have
01:45:45 ◼ ► enough reach optically like that, that is by far like literally this morning there was, I wanted to
01:45:51 ◼ ► take a picture of there was like a cool looking sailboat off in the distance on the water and I
01:45:56 ◼ ► was pretty far from it and I tried getting a picture of my iPhone and you just couldn't see it.
01:46:01 ◼ ► Like I had, I had to like bust out the Sony with its 90 millimeter lens and take a picture that way.
01:46:07 ◼ ► The 3x lens on this is 77 millimeter equivalent. That's pretty great. The only thing that gives me
01:46:16 ◼ ► significant pause here is that in the past, the telephoto lenses for the cameras have been
01:46:23 ◼ ► substantially less light gathering. They've had, you know, much higher F numbers and they gather
01:46:29 ◼ ► less light and therefore their pictures have tended to be duller and more noisy or more blurry
01:46:34 ◼ ► after processing because they, they need to amp up the ISO in order to get enough light in there.
01:46:41 ◼ ► And this has gotten worse in this respect. The telephoto, you know, so the, the other cameras
01:46:48 ◼ ► have all gotten like universally better. Like they've been, they've been great. Awesome. The
01:46:54 ◼ ► 2x lens of most of them though is a little bit of a different story. The, the 2x, so the, the,
01:47:13 ◼ ► And this year it's F 1.5. That's good. That's more light. The lower number means more light coming in.
01:47:19 ◼ ► More light coming in means it can have less noise, better colors, et cetera. Okay, good.
01:47:26 ◼ ► The telephoto in the 12 pro was F 2.0. That's the 2x on the 12 pro. Oh, interesting. The 12 pro max
01:47:34 ◼ ► had that 2.5 X camera. And that went from F 2.0 on the 2x to F 2.2 for the 2.5 X. So the 2.5 X camera
01:47:42 ◼ ► was actually a little bit worse of a lens in terms of how much light it let in, but it was zoomed in
01:47:46 ◼ ► more. The new 3x cameras are F 2.8. That's from 2.2 to 2.8. It's a big jump. So what this means
01:47:55 ◼ ► is that the telephoto camera, I think 2.0 to 2.8, I think is one stop or maybe one and a half stop.
01:48:02 ◼ ► Anyway, what that means is that the 3x lens lets in substantially less light than last year's 2x or
01:48:11 ◼ ► 2.5 X cameras did. And so what that's likely to yield is significantly duller pictures. You're not
01:48:20 ◼ ► going to be able to use that lens in low light very well. What the iPhone cameras have always
01:48:26 ◼ ► done ever since there was more than one lens is in low light, because the like 1x camera always had
01:48:32 ◼ ► the best optics, in low light, even if you'd zoom into 2x, it would kick back and actually use the
01:48:37 ◼ ► 1x camera and just digital crop out the middle and make that your 2x picture. I expect that to be the
01:48:43 ◼ ► case here as well, not only because it can't even use the 3x camera unless you are actually zoomed
01:48:49 ◼ ► into 3x so that you have more of a gap between the two. But also, the 3x camera is so optically much
01:48:56 ◼ ► worse than the 1x camera. It's a bigger gap this year in terms of how good those two are relative
01:49:03 ◼ ► to each other than there's ever been. Well, the 3x one though, you made it sound like you're gonna
01:49:08 ◼ ► have duller pictures, but if you're a sailboat example, if it's a sunny day, don't worry about
01:49:12 ◼ ► it. It will be fine. Like f/2.8 on a bright sunny day of taking a picture of a sailboat out on the
01:49:17 ◼ ► water, you're gonna be fine. Once you're indoors, or not even night, just indoors with indoor
01:49:23 ◼ ► lighting or in a dimly lit restaurant or of course anything at night, yeah, you're probably gonna be
01:49:29 ◼ ► hurting and it will fall back to the 1x lens. But for the applications that I imagine people
01:49:33 ◼ ► need optical zoom, like if not in a crowded bar at night where you need the 3x zoom probably,
01:49:38 ◼ ► it's going to be, "Oh, my kid is far away from me on the soccer field" or something, or "I want
01:49:43 ◼ ► to get a picture of that bird in the tree" or "that sailboat on the water". In those scenarios,
01:49:46 ◼ ► you probably have adequate light and I think this is the right trade-off. And this is generally true
01:49:50 ◼ ► of most zoom lenses for "real cameras". They gather less light, right? So you have some
01:49:56 ◼ ► 750mm lens, it's not going to be f/1.2 probably, right? You're going to lose light just for the
01:50:04 ◼ ► lens elements alone. The size of a car. Yeah. So I think, despite going down in the light gathering
01:50:13 ◼ ► ability, I think it is well worth that trade-off for 3x optical zoom. I think you're probably right,
01:50:18 ◼ ► but I do think, like for people who get this phone, which I might be one of them, we'll see,
01:50:21 ◼ ► but you know, for people who get this phone, I think the lower quality of the lens on the 3x
01:50:29 ◼ ► will be noticeable during the lifetime of you having this phone. It might not be noticeable
01:50:33 ◼ ► all the time, just like the 2x camera often isn't noticeable, but that will be noticeable sometimes
01:50:37 ◼ ► and that is something worth pointing out. That being said, they've done so many other optical
01:50:44 ◼ ► upgrades on this camera system that I'm sure Casey's about to cover, but basically like,
01:51:06 ◼ ► Yeah, no argument here. And so the ultra-wide lens, which is the one that is shared with the 13,
01:51:19 ◼ ► Yep, f/1.8, and it now supports macro photography at a minimum distance of 2 centimeters,
01:51:26 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm really interested. I don't feel like that's something I would desire to do often,
01:51:39 ◼ ► It's like when you want to take a picture of the serial number on the bottom of a mouse,
01:51:43 ◼ ► let's say, maybe we'll talk about that next week, and you see your phone focus hunting.
01:51:55 ◼ ► Yeah, having something that's actually capable of focusing at macro type distances of 2 centimeters
01:52:01 ◼ ► solves that problem, and I really hope that the phone defaults to the ultra-wide when it realizes
01:52:06 ◼ ► you're trying to take a picture of something that close because that's exactly what this is great for.
01:52:09 ◼ ► So that's f/1.8, which is pretty freaking big in my personal opinion, but then the wide or 1x lens,
01:52:19 ◼ ► f/1.5, which is to my eyes, and Marco, correct me when you're ready, but that is impressive.
01:52:27 ◼ ► I happen to have my "big camera" here, which admittedly is not the fanciest camera in the
01:52:49 ◼ ► When sensor sizes are different, the optics of this are, like the way it works is different
01:52:55 ◼ ► depending on the sensor size, and it's less impressive to have a 1.6 aperture on a tiny...
01:53:32 ◼ ► So last year, the camera systems between the non-Pro and Pro phones were much more similar
01:53:43 ◼ ► the big 2.5x/2x one last year, and there was only sensor shift stabilization on the Max.
01:54:09 ◼ ► There's no difference in the camera system this year between the Max and the midsize Pro.
01:54:28 ◼ ► This is my favorite kind of year, when I don't have to have a choice between an absurdly
01:54:44 ◼ ► Among the flagship models anyway, when the standard and humongous sizes are equivalent,
01:54:51 ◼ ► which has happened once or twice in the past, but often the ridiculously oversized phone
01:54:59 ◼ ► That makes me jealous, but I just can't bring myself to get the ridiculously oversized phone.
01:55:17 ◼ ► One major change, so last year the Pro, actually I think just the Pro Max had a larger sensor
01:55:28 ◼ ► Larger pixels means more light hits each one, and so it's a similar thing as having more light
01:55:34 ◼ ► coming through the lens, this helps you have lower ISOs, lets you get faster, sharper shots
01:55:41 ◼ ► So this year, the larger sensor that was in the 12 Pro Max last year, now is in all the
01:56:36 ◼ ► So the pixels got even bigger, which means the sensor got even bigger, and this is great
01:57:00 ◼ ► the, so the sensor's bigger, the lens aperture is wider open, like you get more light in,
01:57:20 ◼ ► I love the mini size so much this past year, like physically, I just love the size, I love
01:57:27 ◼ ► the weight, but that's a huge camera upgrade, and the fact that I don't have to go all the
01:57:32 ◼ ► bit of the max, that I can get that huge camera upgrade in the mid-sized Pro, that's what
01:57:56 ◼ ► an iPhone, or so they claim, starting at $1,000 for the 12 Pro, $1,100 for the Pro Max, up
01:58:05 ◼ ► They have a one terabyte storage option, which is not for me, but I do think is interesting.
01:58:10 ◼ ► Pre-order on Friday, which I've confirmed is at a reasonable hour, thank you, thank you
01:58:15 ◼ ► so much, that it's 8 a.m. Eastern time, which is, as we all know, the one true time zone,
01:58:33 ◼ ► which is the part where they trotted out big-time Hollywood directors to show how you could
01:58:39 ◼ ► make movie-quality footage with these iPhones and how great it is that they're so small,
01:58:44 ◼ ► and you can put the camera anywhere, and so on and so forth, and they also will now shoot
01:58:58 ◼ ► - I don't think anything shoots uncompressed video of anything ever, because it's so massive,
01:59:08 ◼ ► - Yeah, ProRes takes up a lot of room, and so they touted, and they said, what did they
01:59:16 ◼ ► really mean is faster file I/O, as in whatever the system on a chip connection it has to
01:59:22 ◼ ► the flash storage now has higher bandwidth, lower latency, basically to be able to keep
01:59:37 ◼ ► - All right, anyway, the point is that's a huge amount of data, and so they need to make
01:59:41 ◼ ► sure you can actually write that data to the storage fast enough, and also, if you're gonna
01:59:57 ◼ ► to record ProRes, and I don't know what the math is of how many minutes of ProRes equals
02:00:05 ◼ ► a movie or whatever, how are you supposed to get that one terabyte of video off of that
02:00:14 ◼ ► 'Cause I didn't see anything in the presentation that told me it would be fast, there's some
02:00:18 ◼ ► faster connections, not USB-C, there's not Thunderbolt, I guess you could use WiFi, maybe
02:00:28 ◼ ► - Oh gosh, I only use image capture for deletion on certain stuff, I use photos to import,
02:00:47 ◼ ► - Well, but AirDrop doesn't use WiFi in infrastructure mode, doesn't it make a temporary peer-to-peer
02:00:53 ◼ ► connection, so at the distances that AirDrop would be working, it's probably very fast,
02:01:00 ◼ ► - But then again, how long does it take to AirDrop, well, 800 gigs worth of video, will
02:01:07 ◼ ► What I'm saying is that, so they brought out these big name Hollywood directors to show
02:01:11 ◼ ► that this phone is great and you can do all this stuff with focus and we can make these
02:01:18 ◼ ► But that said, people have made entire feature films only with iPhones many years ago, I
02:01:34 ◼ ► Now, it's not gonna, you know, this was many years ago, so it didn't look close to as good
02:01:39 ◼ ► as this footage they're showing here, but it was fine for like an indie movie that you're
02:01:44 ◼ ► So the idea that the iPhone is good enough to shoot a movie with is true, it's been done,
02:02:08 ◼ ► It's exactly as possible as it has always been, this does not change the game, and this
02:02:37 ◼ ► So this promotion I felt like was slightly misguided and maybe misrepresenting, as like
02:02:50 ◼ ► make it, if you weren't previously considering an iPhone for shooting your movie or whatever,
02:03:08 ◼ ► - So Quinn Nelson's in the chat and he's saying that the one terabyte phone, so a terabyte,
02:03:27 ◼ ► Honestly, depending on what you want, aesthetically speaking, my suggestion would be that higher
02:03:36 ◼ ► So yeah, pick a reasonable codec and go up to at least 60 frames per second and see how
02:03:42 ◼ ► - Yeah, there's even a funny little note here on the spec page that, so ProRes video recording
02:03:47 ◼ ► up to 4K 30, but if you buy the smallest phone, the 128 gig, they won't even let you shoot
02:04:01 ◼ ► - And the thing is, like these, we're talking about this now, right, but fast forward five
02:04:17 ◼ ► That happened a little while ago with audio where there's no longer any demand for, we've
02:04:22 ◼ ► talked about this in past shows, for higher res audio formats outside of very narrow interest
02:04:32 ◼ ► - Mm-hmm, it's like, I'm not even saying that we have the current correct compromise in
02:04:39 ◼ ► terms of bit rates of the audio that we listen to, 'cause we probably don't and Bluetooth
02:04:42 ◼ ► could be better and so on and so forth, but we've definitely passed the point where, definitely
02:04:51 ◼ ► Video, television has just recently made the switch to 4K, it's plausible that televisions,
02:04:56 ◼ ► just to try to sell more of them, will make a switch to 8K in the future, especially as
02:05:12 ◼ ► But eventually, not even a very infinite timeline, 10, 15, 20 years, video will probably taper
02:05:21 ◼ ► off because within the normal household, even if your entire wall is a screen, 16K is probably
02:05:27 ◼ ► plenty for that, right, and eventually your smartphone, assuming Moore's Law keeps going
02:05:52 ◼ ► Most people don't think that because these phones are so huge and most people don't have
02:06:24 ◼ ► We've got the pixels almost small enough, I think, and now it's just a matter of making
02:06:29 ◼ ► them use less power, making them be brighter and darker with, you know, true blacks and
02:06:32 ◼ ► all that other stuff, but no one is still chasing like, I would like a 7000 DPI screen.
02:06:44 ◼ ► So the people who are alive today, I think, will eventually live to see audio and video,
02:06:53 ◼ ► you know, standards and limits and performance sort of catch up to what humans find useful.
02:07:21 ◼ ► Then you have a phones which can do amazing things for a phone, but still not the same.
02:07:24 ◼ ► And eventually, not that those things will converge, but eventually the difference between
02:07:34 ◼ ► The difference will be like, you know, more about the quality of what it captures maybe
02:08:52 ◼ ► It's just nothing about the presentation was except, I guess, the iPad mini, come to think
02:08:58 ◼ ► But other than that, nothing about the presentation other than the iPad mini was particularly
02:09:09 ◼ ► No, I was even just thinking as you were starting the segment, like, what would I say is the
02:09:26 ◼ ► But I think it's kind of a fairly low S year even like normally what an S year typically
02:09:35 ◼ ► means is the outside of the phone looks the same, but it gets major upgrades on the inside.
02:09:47 ◼ ► Like maybe the screens are amazing because you can't tell with a high frame rate screen
02:09:56 ◼ ► Like that's just never going to you're not going to know how it looks and feels in real
02:11:03 ◼ ► I think for the phone or the watch, the watch even seems smaller, you know, like it as like,
02:11:13 ◼ ► But, you know, and part of this might be, you know, Apple's putting on a good face, but
02:11:48 ◼ ► Most companies, I think, would would possibly not be able to release a phone at the same
02:11:54 ◼ ► time this year as they do every other year because things are so disrupted in the supply
02:12:09 ◼ ► And for everyone else out there, like who is, you know, kind of like meh about a lot of
02:12:16 ◼ ► If you're if none of this stuff is really that important to you, you can save some money
02:12:24 ◼ ► If you really are disappointed with the offerings this year, but you really want to have a similarly
02:12:58 ◼ ► And so, you know, in the same way that most Mac upgrades year to year are not that big,
02:13:17 ◼ ► nip and tuck kind of upgrades here and there like, oh, we've made this a little bit better.
02:13:24 ◼ ► Like it's that kind of upgrade, you know, for most Macs, iPads have now gotten similarly,
02:13:30 ◼ ► you know, with the exception of like the mini, but like, you know, you look at the high end
02:13:38 ◼ ► It's been, you know, I think we're reaching maturity points on these products and they're
02:13:50 ◼ ► And so when we have one of these years where it's not that impressive overall, like there
02:13:57 ◼ ► are certain things about this that are very impressive, but like the product as a whole,
02:14:01 ◼ ► it's not like a massive, like, oh my God, everyone has to go out and upgrade right now.
02:14:13 ◼ ► exciting upgrade compared to what it's replacing, which is funny because it's probably of all
02:14:25 ◼ ► But the, I think the camera system on the pro phones in particular is probably the coolest
02:14:37 ◼ ► So that I think, again, even though it's not that big of a deal, like in other specs of
02:14:44 ◼ ► the way things were upgraded or not upgraded, I think that new camera system is going to
02:14:58 ◼ ► case on the outside, but like literally everything inside it is different, totally different
02:15:09 ◼ ► But like, that's usually why the S-years get a bad rap because people can just see what's
02:15:23 ◼ ► The only thing that gives me pause this year in terms of an S-year is what I would normally
02:15:27 ◼ ► want out of an S-year is everything like that the non S-year was, but everything is better,
02:15:53 ◼ ► And the one thing that is disappointing from an S-year perspective this year is ironically
02:16:28 ◼ ► I don't know what it's going to be like with the cases, but it just looks, it looks a little
02:17:02 ◼ ► This is all predicated on my notion that the camera bump is actually going to be big enough
02:17:11 ◼ ► And a few millimeters doesn't make a difference when we get these phones in physical hands.
02:17:31 ◼ ► And in some ways, like it's exciting, you're going to get the first of the new thing, but
02:17:34 ◼ ► in other ways I feel like, oh, but this is going to be the one with like the most compromises
02:17:41 ◼ ► It's the first one with face ID and everything, but they're going to refine that design and
02:18:16 ◼ ► year, if we're somewhere and I want to take a picture, I almost feel like I need to ask
02:18:22 ◼ ► my wife to borrow her phone because why don't I use the best camera that we have with us?
02:18:27 ◼ ► I could take it on mine, but mine is, oh, it's a year old now and your camera will take
02:18:34 ◼ ► But I'm kind of glad that my camera is smaller and that my phone with a case on it sits flat
02:21:56 ◼ ► I never really experienced 5G because I'm on an old enough AT&T plan that they're jerks
02:22:12 ◼ ► Even though the 11 was arguably a little more comfortable in hand aesthetically, I freaking
02:23:08 ◼ ► So ultimately, what I want for my next phone is more reach on the camera system and a bigger
02:23:25 ◼ ► I have dropped it a couple times on concrete and then has scratched the aluminum edge on
02:23:38 ◼ ► I haven't had any of the deep screen scratching problems that other people have had sometimes.
02:23:56 ◼ ► I think the 12 mini and the 12 are still, and the 12 Pro, I think those are still great
02:24:06 ◼ ► So if you dropped a whole bunch of money on one last year, I don't think you need to upgrade.
02:24:11 ◼ ► I think upgrading here is only for jerks like us who just want the latest and greatest all
02:25:51 ◼ ► I have a pouch that fits this and I was using it, well, this plus COVID, I think, really,
02:26:08 ◼ ► So this is not, I just put it directly in my pocket, you know, screen side facing my body,
02:26:17 ◼ ► And I believe that the screen probably shows, I'm going to say this, the 12 Pro screen shows
02:26:47 ◼ ► So I don't know what Casey's doing other than just dropping his phone constantly and putting
02:27:12 ◼ ► So I don't I'm not I what I can say is for me, whatever trade off Apple has been making
02:27:19 ◼ ► Granted, it's been a wooden floor and sometimes a carpeted floor, but I have dropped it.
02:27:23 ◼ ► So so whatever compromise they made in terms of scratch ability versus break ability, whatever,
02:27:31 ◼ ► But one thing I'm not happy with was their move to cases that cover the bottom lip, because
02:27:36 ◼ ► I think that's just a terrible idea in a phone that you swipe up from the bottom to unlock.
02:27:44 ◼ ► non Apple case, non Apple case that I liked that had the lip on the bottom, which probably
02:27:53 ◼ ► that same saga for the iPhone 14 because Apple continue to sell cases that don't have the
02:27:59 ◼ ► Having owned this phone for about a year with the opening on the bottom, it's been fine.
02:28:25 ◼ ► Like I have the previous phone that I think that I had as much affection for is this one
02:28:31 ◼ ► is the 7, because I felt like the 7 was kind of the pinnacle of that design, the kind of
02:28:36 ◼ ► logins shaped thing, the last touch ID phone, the 7 was just really perfected that form.
02:29:08 ◼ ► doesn't care about the bump because she constantly uses a battery case because her phone is just