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i'm your host nation spell we are
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continuing our celebration of holiday
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things in early December before Star
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Wars happens ruins everything
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and in this episode we're going to be
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talking about two old movies this is
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basically in addition of old movie club
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with a holiday spin o war movie can open
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it sold with listen to vast very festive
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that's the that's the christmas-themed
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to old movie club that's nice that must
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have cost us billions of dollars to it
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did together taking out all the stops
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for Christmas we're also going to be
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talking about 1968 the line and winter
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film not usually considered a Christmas
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film but is set says you is set at
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Christmastime so i would like to go
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chronologically but I should check in
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with our old movie sommelier himself mr.
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Philip Michaels hello
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dealer's choice man alright well that's
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what that's what I have to go
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it's thank you for selecting these films
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but let me introduce the people who
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watch them with us
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well not like with us now are you
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getting all gather on a couch together
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no one imagined that we can all shouted
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at peter o'toole simultaneously but
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instead we did in our own homes i would
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have shattered you will be quiet
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shouting Peter O'Toole its glory Lisa
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Schmeisser is here with us you just her
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hello hi
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I will defend a line in winter excellent
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well nobody's I don't think it's on
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trial not like Santa Claus or anything
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dan morgan is also here LOL amity cry
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kitties
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I'm not in the habit of substituting for
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serious panelist Jason thank you
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that's a great line David Laura hello
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my only question tonight is what shall
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we hang the Holly or each other and of
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course mr. Steve let's Jason how from
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where we started did we ever reach this
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Christmas I'd like to know it's a it's
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it's a good question the district
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attorney's a Republican it's not more
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lion in winter references in the opener
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than I didn't disappear
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yeah I refuse to acknowledge them quite
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frankly I i was gonna go with its cold a
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man's gotta do something to keep your
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favorite guy in the movie that's there
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it was the movie told from his
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perspective your Philip Michaels is
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intoxicated madam
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shameful to be fair we knew that it's
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harder to make the the references that
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involved a spinning newspaper headline
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there are so many of those Miracle on
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thirty-fourth Street ok Phil Miracle on
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thirty-fourth Street this was the more
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traditional holiday selection that you
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yeah yeah it just as a sort of a
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preamble to the selections here I do not
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like Christmas movies I don't like I
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don't like is that is
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yeah I don't like you're Santa Claus I
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don't like your uh your uh did whatever
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the Christmas move your Christmas shoes
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now oh yeah except increase the world
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that is a brilliant movie our pots
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Miracle on thirty-fourth Street I kind
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of like because it has a certain
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earnestness and and charm to it and some
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good supporting character work and eat
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you could do worse
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basically you are lucky that I took an
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oath as a host to not stab the guests
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for saying I kind of like Miracle on
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thirty-fourth Street when you made me
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watch the line and winter good guy so
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you got your Miracle on thirty-fourth
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Street it is it is thanksgiving morning
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you are having the macy's thanksgiving
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day parade marine O'Hara recently
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deceased rmk marine O'Hara she is the
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lady who puts on the macy's thanksgiving
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day parade on and she has got a problem
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because her Santa is dead drunk its cold
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a man's gotta keep water somehow he is
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he is uh not even able to stand up
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straight on the float
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nope doesn't seem like he has to he just
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has to sit in the slave kids but anyhow
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let's recasting me from his time with
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the whip is the problem not sure he's
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capable of sitting I think he sort of
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like just flat on his back because
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either they will affect the room where
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did they find this and in my experience
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you just sort of wedge Santa Claus into
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the chimney and that keeps him upright
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throughout the Korean to the scene walks
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on Edmund win who you might see it as a
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right jolly old elf because he has a
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beard like Santa and is pleasingly plump
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for 1947 III
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i will now feature i buy today he is he
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is the US citizen have to cut like a
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stake center
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yeah uh huh buddy back 1927 he doesn't
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need any padding
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no she doesn't depression you know and
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he berates drunken Santa for being drunk
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in Santa and marine O'Hara uh the
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presses him into action as the as the
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replacement Santa on the float and it
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turns out he's a big hit and everyone
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loves them didn't know that like just
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driving by on a float people would have
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that relationship with me going to find
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the boys of all kinds of macy's no yes
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but it but in this movie and then Santa
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addresses the crowd will keep in mind
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that most of these people are probably
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traumatized by the fact that they just
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saw them strip drunk Santa down to his
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skivvies while he was still on the float
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those with only the people around the
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the starting point of the float is
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something it was a bunch of clowns that
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did it to make city which explains a lot
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about white people are scared of clowns
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and this was apparently the 1946 Macy's
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parade they actually filmed i rather
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than and Edmund win arm who plays the
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part with did actually delivered Santa
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Sermon on the Mount of the end coming
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the bases and and my toy makers the
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Bible finally makes sense thank you it
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is easier for a rich man to pass through
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the eye of a needle than it is for you
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to fly no values at macys so young so so
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popular proves this this Santa to be
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he's hired with very little interviewing
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process to work at me seized during the
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holiday season we are we then find out
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two things one arm Santa actually thinks
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that he is Santa he goes by the name
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Kris Kringle when he fills out his
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employment card he said that he lives in
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the North Pole and his next of kin are
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the reindeer witches really is mean to
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mrs. Claus I think that cut out of the
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will is a maybe this is before they
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married macy's HR practices should come
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under some intense scrutiny here has a
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reason he's not living at the north pole
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anymore obviously she's got she got the
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igloo and all the elves was falsified
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when they needed to the to fill out the
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card some clerk just put it as a joke
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is there were there were no checks they
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just found the guy on the street and
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gave him the job the old guy was a drunk
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how much worse could it be
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yeah exactly before the onions submarine
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O'Hara and her assistant who is one of
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those 1940s 1950s guys with a
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pencil-thin mustaches demeanor that I
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that I want it's not that Shellhammer
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yeah I got a great name to do and show
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hamburg he's is here he's the head of
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the children's department at macys right
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and she's a choice and Toyota part of
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the toy department and she's like the
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marketing person base exactly and
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they're all 0 ol mr. Mason's gonna have
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our high that we hired this crazy man
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and adding to that fact is Santa is
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telling people when they come to him
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instead of pushing the toys that Macy's
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wants him to push he will say up now
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there's a shop on Lexington that has
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that for a much better price where go to
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Gimbels and that's going to go over well
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except that it does go over well because
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the people who come to Santa are so
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impressed with his forthrightness that
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they bow to welcome back to macys again
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and again brand loyalty
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yeah yeah the customer service so mr.
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Macy rather than being angry at marine
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O'Hara and Julian Shellhammer higher is
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a is quite happy that this whole santa
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thing is is going on and he he
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the end and soon symbols is following
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suit by telling people to to go to
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macy's and other stores and suddenly the
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stores are locked in a nationwide battle
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of of niceness and not tricking the
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customer is the the implication that
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goes on here and there's even a summit
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between mr. Macy and mr. gimble in which
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in which Kris Kringle is I guess the
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mediator and there there's lots of
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handshaking so we we should mention a
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little bit about Maureen O'Hara's uh
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personal life
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she's a divorce a with a kid scandalous
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and the kid is in fact the movie was i
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forget which decency organization like
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railed against akali the Catholic
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decency organization i believe ya can't
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like that decent 15
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that right yeah graphics because because
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a defensive war game for say oh no no
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divorce say who is thriving and his
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child isn't busy burning things down out
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of anger but they couldn't make her a
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widow because the whole point is that
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she sort of closed off on happy nice
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things and is very serious and
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businesslike now and it's presumably
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because of her near dwell husband
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doesn't believe in fantasy or work or or
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fiction or or telling their child about
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Santa Claus she's passed that John's
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going around the block the kid we should
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mention is played by natalie wood and I
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what I believe is her first role from
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and she actually Lisa and I were talking
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about this as we watch the movie
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together mom normally both of us spies
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child actors and then Natalie Wood is
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actually quite good in this particularly
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stink eye
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business of a child is delightful she
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pulls on the beard that's pretty good i
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like the moment where I after she does
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the cute kid thing of like oh mama
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please he doesn't have anyplace to have
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Thanksgiving dinner and she's like all
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right and then there's a nice line where
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she says last great you know I didn't
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ask the right that I do that right the
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mr. Gailey building right nearly as the
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character's name john Payne is the actor
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he stars in one of my favorite
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underrated film Noirs kansas city
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confidential by the way that's a that's
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that's when you should watch maybe
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instead of white in the winter if you
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chase alright thanks Thom haha he really
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wants to get to know Maureen O'Hara and
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why wouldn't you marine O'Hara is
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stunning but so he uses her child to do
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so it uses your child to church trick
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his way into her heart and he fully
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believes in in fantasy and happiness and
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telling yarns and and even volunteers to
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put up Kris Kringle when it's determine
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the kriss kringle needs a place to live
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since the old folks home that he was
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living in is quite far away in Long
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Island it's very far away although
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admittedly he primarily let's Kris
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Kringle into it
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house as another another means to get
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into marino hairspray yeah sure I well
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most importantly there i love the line
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I'll take care of Suzy if you'll take
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care of her mother which is the Fermi
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the jumping-off point of the strangers
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on a train version of this movie haha
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thanks i just waiting for him to say
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crisscross the skies cost ya know John
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pains game is strong in this movement
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job game is not a man to be the church
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fellas if you want to know how to warm
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your way into a divorce is heart and I
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wanted to share your bedroom yes haven't
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shared your bedroom and talk to children
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but one we haven't even gotten into his
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successes as a as a lawyer because there
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is a moment later in this film where he
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he has a great moment of like front page
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not bad right so he's got he's got it
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all working basically he is the master
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of the universe mr. Bayliss exactly are
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we should also point out that all is not
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well at macys there is at least one
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macys employee who is not happy that
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Kris Kringle is now working there and
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that would be mean old Granville Sawyer
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the the store psychiatrist psychologist
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dr. Sawyer right he he keeps you busy
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riding the actual doctors even though
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he's a total fraud and charlatan and he
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is he's not just your much to mustache
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twirling villain he is your eyebrows
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twirling a villain he freelances as a
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psychiatrist in his off period
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yes please Alfred amateur psychologist
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and that is what brings the controversy
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between granville Sawyer and Kris
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Kringle to a head
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granville sawyer didn't want him working
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there cause he's crazy he can't work
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here when in fact Chris creek bring Kris
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Kringle did was I immediately identify
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all of mr. Sawyer's neuro seas and
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suggest that he was unhappy at home
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which very clearly is cause then he shot
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his wife after he leaves and so as a
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matter of revenge basically he declares
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Kris Kringle to be incompetent right and
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we mentioned the armchair psychiatry
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psychology there's a there's the
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weirdest-looking kid in the world who
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sweeps up at macys what what the hell is
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now Albert all that I'll for that that
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allegedly seventeen-year-old blog who
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enjoy special lady
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Santa Claus so you can make children
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happy yeah that there's a lot of alarm
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bells going off there with that
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well that's you sound like mr. Sawyer
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who tells him very much the same that
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it's a little judgmental there also and
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then poor guy is derided for being
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overweight the whole time when again by
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maybe by 1947 Sanders he doesn't need
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any packages brusky he's a skeez but
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he's I'd say he's reasonably I am NOT
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body shaming him in the slightest I'm
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behavior shaming him because now he's a
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yeah I'm here with me and he and he
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asked the delivery room
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gosh mr. Kringle I should do love given
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making children happy it's always what
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sure to get all the packages i give them
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yeah there's a lot of bad isms floating
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around that way one of the wonderful
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choices sometimes you lose them
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yeah well done Alfred you really made us
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think yeah yeah Kris kringles garbage in
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his pocket aces where should I put this
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you just put it on the floor was on the
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floor I get tired of sweeping up dust
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there it is
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yeah i've only seen this movie 37 times
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he's encouraging people to throw things
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on the floor just to keep him
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entertained as he sweeps so granville
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Sawyer has been doing some freelance
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psychiatry on on poor dumb stupid
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gullible Alfred yep and has planted all
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sorts of ideas about what I made my
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father apparently yes what a Reiki is
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and this this sends a Kris Kringle into
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a blind fury and he goes to confront
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granville Sawyer and in the ensuing
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argument box granville Sawyer on the
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head with this sunbrella we're using a
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comical welt that's a mistake it was a
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it was my weakness
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yes which is at the point that everyone
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decides well turns out he is kind of
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cookie let's send him to Bellevue and
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Kris Kringle who up until that point has
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shown a very good Felicity for uh
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passing mental competency test by
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knowing who the president was and
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underdone Adams know each other before
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it was under john quincy adams that that
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mr saye doesn't know that though
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apparently he's wrong
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opinion-makers didn't have Wikipedia
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that's right in 1947 but this time
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around he sowed
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it it and yet there there's nobody
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naughty nice shot his first appearance
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he just puts the cigar in his mouth and
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I laugh out loud
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every time ok you got you can't you
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can't discount his great scene where he
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advises the judge about the all the
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people who are going to really love him
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after he declares that this guy that
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Santa Claus doesn't exist then you got
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the afl-cio on you and they're gonna
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love you
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yeah they didn't know his blue probably
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a spectacular and of course the best
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line is where he explains that the only
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the only two votes the judge is going to
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get a few rules that Santa is is insane
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are his own and the district attorney at
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the route to which that the judge says
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the district attorneys and Republican
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said that very satellite so good and
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cured meat Lockhart fashion although he
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does get his one smug line of overruled
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but most most of what William Frawley
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does is sit in the courtroom and nod and
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glare at the judge and it's so great it
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is so great it smells like the odd
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little scene where he walks into the
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courtroom in the bailiff sort of
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gestures to him telling me you can't
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smoke in the courtroom because I got the
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other way when we just he taps the end
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of it to show that it isn't little can
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stick it back in his mouth he's he
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doesn't really need to smoke the cigar
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just as my father used to a badass he's
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like I'll just stick the lid in my mouth
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i'm done some interesting
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interpretability if all you know of
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William Frawley is Fred Mertz or or
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uncle bob from my three sons right or
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even he plays the priest in the Babe
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Ruth story with William Bendix now this
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is this is William Frawley script
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Fraley's greatest role he's outstanding
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down US Armed then we should also point
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out the district attorney is played by
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miles are women from the multi taskin it
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slightly slightly less of a cat in this
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movie you have it still kind of a cab
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104 screentime no yeah
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yes doesn't get shot it also spoiler
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alert mom and the trial proceeds and you
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know we find out that in addition to
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being really good at willing widows john
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Payne is a pretty hard widows divorces
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john Payne is also on a very good
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attorney because he's got he's got the
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courtroom spinning and he's discredited
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granville Sawyer not that takes much he
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gets mr. Macy to provide
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some stand that he believes Kris Kringle
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is actually Santa Claus and i love that
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scene to spinning newspapers a whole
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maybe the beauty of of so much of this
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film is in these moments of it's very
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easy to see two movies that are just
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completely just kind of head in the
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clouds and their movies that are very
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cynical and this movie really walks a
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line where it's got a lot of both and
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and i love how it how it mixes them all
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together and so here you know
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yes this is a shiny happy movie about
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Santa Claus and all that but when mr.
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Macy is on the stand
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I mean he's he's basically lying under
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oath was imagining headlines that Miss
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Maisie declares Santa colossal froggy
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cannot renounce his own Santa Claus in
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the applicants so he goes along with it
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and and and yes but his putting
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headlines appear before him it's just
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great he also sees the smiling
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children's faces true i think in that
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few seconds you realize maybe he really
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does Billy though I really watching this
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movie with my girlfriend who is a
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business who went to business school
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point out that everybody acts in self
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interest in capitalism basically
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throughout the entire movie
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yeah yeah no this is a very Pro
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capitalism movie yeah the entire movie
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is a love letter to acquiring stuff just
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like it's also love letter to white
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I'm it's just it's i-i've never feel
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like more of a communist then after
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watching it a lot of isms out there Lisa
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well but I very worse just communist am
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i right senator mccarthy yeah that it's
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it was just you just let me keep working
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in the movies
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oh you know heaven forfend some child
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not not get a toy you get she got a
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house that was the thing i did portal
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had to put up with me sputtering 45
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minutes because I was like you know in
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20 I was like in 30 years this child's
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gonna regret having your mother out of
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Manhattan real estate prices begin the
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rebound but she's not and the reason is
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that they live in a magical world where
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Santa Claus isn't actually real
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that's the answer here is yeah and so
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that way the real did that in that
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affects real estate markets too because
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Santa can just move people around it
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with is not magic exists anything can
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the VI is like you lease i struggle and
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and Lauren struggles to i know it and
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this is her favorite movie I actually
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hadn't seen this movie until about ten
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years ago and i love it i love it
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unreservedly but it's
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almost like i love it despite all these
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things that should make me hate it and
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and you you mentioned some of it there
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is a very clear message here that what's
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really important is believing in things
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that aren't real and i know i don't
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agree with that at all i completely
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disagree that in fact yes i am one of
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those people who refuse to tell their
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children that Santa Claus was real well
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because that he's not but I so I'm i
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guess i'm on on lots marino era side yet
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boiler gta4 whoa
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we're gonna take this we're gonna take
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this to court all of our elementary
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school-aged incomparable listeners are
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now sobbing uncontrollably
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yeah right i'm gonna reveal whether
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Santa Claus is real after the sound of
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the spoiler orange I think using your
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point though that this movie really does
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a good job of yet has the well just
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believe in fairytales and everything's
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great but it also has the it look just
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kill you too exact long and be nice or
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and where does it kill you to recommend
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something at Gimbels or in the end is
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that actually better you're like
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reconsidering your you know it is about
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enlightened self-interest but it's also
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like don't be cut don't be such a jerk
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because there are ways to be nice and
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empathetic and still have it be good for
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you watching this movie this time around
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it's very reminiscent of another movie
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that came out like a few years later on
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the original angels in the outfield
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which again it to get you just should
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hate this movie because if there's
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angels helping baseball team won a
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pennant and then it should just be the
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small T there's an orphan and she sees
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the angels and but it really kind of
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straddles the line number between the
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this sort of head in the clouds
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it ate everything wonderful and kinda
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real world not cynicism but a real uh
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realism that and and and the end of it
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hey just be a nice person and also that
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ends with a rush
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I'm trying okay so also do it when
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you're done watching kansas city
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confidential with john Payne we don't
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watch angels in the outfield alright
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Janet Leigh and done thanks for building
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my your building my playlist oh this
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movie's interesting just because it
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shows you with it it's basically a
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forecast the nineteen fifties when you
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look at it though because some it lays
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down a lot of the a lot of the narrative
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for you know consumed by will gratify
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you it will make you a better person you
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will feel like your dreams are coming
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you know and that that the put that the
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post-war cultures is just beginning to
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take off at this point and i feel like
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this movie represents kind of a cultural
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inflection point that took you right
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into the nineteen-fifties and the
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explicit the invention of explicit
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marketing toward children and you know
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again the movement to the suburbs which
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was done for a wide variety of reasons
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both economic and sociological 17 years
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before before Charlie Brown Christmas
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which also decried Christmas
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commercialism and i laughed at that
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because this movie does the exact same
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thing and again charlie brown christmas
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brought to you by coca-cola and here we
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have you know it's the entire story of a
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department store and yet they are
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decrying Christmas commercialism I just
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think it's funny that that was not a new
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thing at and Kris kringles decrying
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Christmas commercialism for the last 50
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years is this coming up when I was
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watching this was like you know he talks
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about the the meaning of Christmas going
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away and I was sort of like digging
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around a little bit because I was
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curious just how long you know how long
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is this this perception that we still
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hold today right
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the christmas has been diluted has
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become about shopping and toys and all
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of this stuff and not about you know
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being kind your neighbors and reaching
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out to people etc like how long has this
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been going on and the answer is
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according to official 18th century 21 in
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sensory you know wasn't doing that
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during the Depression you think I mean
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all I could just site Santa Claus and
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saying that he's sad about the last 50
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years this is a delusional man that we
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don't know if he has the graph of
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actions finally I i take away the exact
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opposite from it but maybe that's just
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let me take a break to tell you about
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one of our sponsors it's the ministry of
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supply you know dress shirts should be
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they should work with your body and not
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against it should keep you comfortable
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all day long that is what drives me
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history of supply it is a menswear
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company that launched out of the
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Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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three years ago that's right they're
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using science and technology to make
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office appropriate professional where it
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fits better
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it has technical benefits it will manage
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your body temperature to keep you from
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overheating it will manage the moisture
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in the shirt
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it will keep you dry and it is resistant
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to wrinkles so you can stay away from
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ironing I hate ironing it's the worst
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the most tech forward dresser they've
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got is called the Apollo like the space
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capsule and it's made with sweat-wicking
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fibers infused with NASA engineered
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phase-change material for temperature
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regulation is a high-tech shirt it's
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gotta lighten it construction so it's
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breathable and four-way stretch for
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mobility the people at ministry of
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supply believe in continuous improvement
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the refining and improving the products
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through human-centric iterative design
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process so every iteration gets better
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that's right they are smart people at
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MIT coming up with very smart methods of
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making cloves so shop them online
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ministry of supply dot-com and if you
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use the code let's do a draft my
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hey john Payne hotshot attorney and
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Ladykiller you think that you can get
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someone to categorically prove that this
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crazy old man is Santa Claus and
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champagnes all I don't know and so it's
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not looking good for all Kris Kringle
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all these letters friend to CNN we put
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let's send him to the courthouse so the
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trial is wrapping up it's not looking
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good for Kris Kringle when suddenly and
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seen some sort of homage onto the scene
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where john Payne whips up the letter
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that's been sent to the courthouse said
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he says here here's a letter that
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someone sent to Santa and the judge i
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believe it's the judge it might be it
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might be District Attorney miles Archer
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says one letter what does that prove it
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hits bring in boy yeah seven sacks of
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mail from there on my desk and WS and
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young Todd judged gene Lockhart's desk
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which proves because the federal
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government says that this guy's sentence
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should get the mail
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therefore Edmund Quinn AK Kris Kringle
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this movie is really about a strong
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federal government and how important
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that is doing exactly
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now do you like it Lisa it's all about
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government intervention communism I
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commercialism and that's our workers of
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the world saving the day it's about the
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proletariat come on
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so really its many things to all people
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is everything alright it's terrible it's
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a guy in a red suit in a black boys you
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ready yeah is it red though we don't
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even know mostly it's just a very funny
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movie which is there that's right it is
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it it it really is for very funny very
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entertaining
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it's a good family movie i think i was
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actually yeah more to the story
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character says okay if you're Santa you
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bring me what I want for Christmas will
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of course little girl what you want
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property real Natalie Wood 16 likely
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yeah Natalie Wood wants to move out on
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out of Manhattan and into the suburbs
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enough for a down payment all and they
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that that plot line is dropped and
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Natalie would see Santa get out well
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it's great that he's not crazy but he's
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also just a nice guy with a beard
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because he didn't get me what I wanted
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for Christmas and uh they're driving
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home from the party on a roof that Santa
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gave them here drive this way
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the nineteen forties and they drive by
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this house that is for sale that
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surprisingly like the house fit Natalie
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era it's me let's buy this house you
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can't say no you'll disappoint your kids
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thanksgiving yeah it's Christmas latest
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a whirlwind romance john Payne is like
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operator gotta work fast in 1947 you
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the grip and yeah the korean war is
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about to break out in 34 years you might
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get set off to so maybe we should be a
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whip there's a bit of dialogue where he
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the usual place so there's this you get
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the impression that this is actually we
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just haven't seen it there is a
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whirlwind romance going on behind the
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scenes because they give that piece of
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dialogue we have we see very little
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evidence of it but it's very clearly
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felt like you know in our conversation
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that came to our conversation about the
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empire strikes back I turn to my au turn
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my girlfriend is it do you think they've
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had sex but this point and she looks at
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them in the screen where he like she
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like puts a hand on her shoulder and she
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yo yeah well she's a divorce a young
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she's known the test of a man's already
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way too i reacting so he's a lawyer what
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yeah so i wanted to mention a while
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sorry Phil you you have that we keep
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interrupting your magical conclusion
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head big and exactly thank you Jason for
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recognizing my magic maybe I'm Santa
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Claus maybe sotelo let's prove it a man
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needs something to keep warm so what
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house and then they notice haha by the
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fireplace it's a cane just like the one
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the kriss kringle uses oh no oh my god
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killer leaves a signature that's already
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followed them there it came from inside
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the house is waiting inside the closet
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and the moment that the cameras cut they
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are dead yep
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grandpa's this friday because we hit
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completed out of brother somebody was
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easy with the cane people back and forth
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him but when he realizes that the
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new smart realizes he doesn't need to
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keep your website he discards it that I
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do like mr. Bailey's final wine which is
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that maybe he didn't do such a wonderful
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day after all
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yeah that's great he's crazy too
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although as a kid that line really
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confused me
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it's a you know and then I guess really
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the possibility of magic again because
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she's already been made to believe she
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signs the letter that Susie rights said
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giving you two
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yes but this is the final clincher like
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maybe he was real all along
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what do I care i'm going to bed with
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john Payne tonight he says i love I'd
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like so the moment got me this time and
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it get sometimes it gets mean sometimes
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it doesn't doesn't but this time it did
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is the moment where he's a so he's he's
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listening to all the all the kids who
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Santa's lap and they asked for it and
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the first is the lady who's the most New
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York lady operator where she's like
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writer we get it
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symbols even is our mutual
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it's so new york it's so amazing but the
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one that gets me is the the little Dutch
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girl the Dutch girl I mean I mean
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because he knows he can he just like I
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told her you don't speak Dutch he speaks
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Dutch and they sing the center class
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song was about to class got a boo-boo
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it's so great but think about why she's
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a Dutch orphan in the 1940s her parents
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were killed if not in the Holocaust
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to find a new family and it is it gets a
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sad so enjoyed your eyes are so wide and
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just haunted
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the Dutch songs and all of that knits
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anything because I have a family now
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Oh gets me every time oh maybe he really
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is Santa Claus you Santa Claus dad I
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would need approved by a competent
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authority federal government little
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he's crazy too
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so like as i mentioned earlier this is
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my wife's favorite Christmas movie end
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as i said before you know she can't
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explain it either
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she is you know she she's Jewish
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she is not particularly a believer in
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any of the other in anything and yet so
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therefore this movie should have no
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residence hall and yet it is delightful
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and she showed it to me for the first
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time whatever ten years ago it and I
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agree completely this is my favorite
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Christmas movie i love it's strange
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mixture of like never too cynical never
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to glassy-eyed uh funny people out for
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their own self-interest but also
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learning some things along the way very
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new york in a in a forties New York way
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that I kind of love I you know I i think
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that uh that mr. Gailey that john Payne
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does is great i think just just
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spectacular in the way he like he said
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he's got the game he is playing the
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games he's playing the legal games the
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romancing marine O'Hara so good and
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edmund gwenn is fantastic
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I mean you if ever there was a man you
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would believe in Santa Claus is that man
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so I love this movie it is just a
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there's something about it it walks the
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line it doesn't go too far to to you
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know into areas that would make it i
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think not as pleasant a movie twist my
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arm and I guess I kind of like it all
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your heart grew one size
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yeah just my heart's really about the
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same size i agree with you completely
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i'm not sure i put this in my as my
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first favorite but it's definitely in
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the top three I loved it since I was a
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kid my dad and
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reduce me to it and that was back before
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i got the the more adult humor that you
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know the knowing looks being exchanged
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between Fred Mertz and the judge and all
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the other stuff it's just it's it's it's
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really sweet and it's genuinely funny
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and i'm not bothered at all by the fact
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that a Christmas movie suggest that you
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should put faith in something that you
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saying 30 x is probably not unreasonable
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given i think i've watched this movie
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it's one of my mom's favorite movies i
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someone who maybe not but may not
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believe in Santa Claus i do you think
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the idea of you know there are
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intangible things to believe in is a
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worthwhile message because there are
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concepts at least if nothing else as
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mister day as mr. Gailey points out that
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are that are worth something in the end
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its start your great performances all
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around it's it's well-written it's a
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funny movie there are a lot of movies
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from this area and from earlier is that
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don't hold up and this one really does
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I think about a lot of things so and I i
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never really took away any of the
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commercialism complaints about it i
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guess maybe I store took that as a
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younger kid i internalized that the text
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more than the subtext so yeah this is
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definitely in my top christmas movies
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i'd say it's probably like number two
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like we're behind die hard but hey
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oh no it's perfect Jeff Luc very similar
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it's easily in my top five more but it
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probably number five
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but yeah i love i love the earnestness
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without being square or overly corny
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it's like it has a nice balance between
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the humor and and the just genuineness
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of it for a dissenting opinion we go to
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judge miser she's crazy to read verses
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waving a cigar and her right eye I only
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saw the movie for the first time last
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night so I
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yeah well you know how you're always
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parents introduced me to this movie I
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associate with christmas everyone is
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saying that is very sweet and I like
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thinking about the movies that make up
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your internal holiday traditions i come
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from a family where our family christmas
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was the lion in winter so off it's why
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we do not watch me and why I did not get
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around to Miracle on thirty-fourth
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test about it i will say that my
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grandparents who we lived with when I
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was a child and my mother hated this
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movie so I didn't see it until I was
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growing up either
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there's a lot of terrible people out
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there David that's right some of the
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worst our cover so people blossoms that
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moist I like i said i found the movie to
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be fascinating because I feel like it's
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sort of a snapshot that anticipates a
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lot of the cultural currents of the
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nineteen fifties yeah
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reverberating down it's a fifties movie
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it is the United 47 well that's what is
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it basically is it it basically
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encapsulate suppose for ethos and how
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people are beginning to move on with
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your lives after the war and i find that
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kind of transitional period really
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fascinating so when I was watching the
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movie and thinking about how this movie
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was kind of capturing a society and flex
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for people are still fucking figuring
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out their rules once they return to the
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states like that that's what made the
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movie interesting to me and I like all
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the period details because i'm a sucker
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for vintage decor and Natalie Wood has
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one of the best dirty looks in the
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business i'm looking forward to showing
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this to Trixie um you know it'll be
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interesting to see what her reaction is
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where another family that doesn't talk
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about Santa on like she'll bring it home
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and say Santa this and that right hmmm
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interesting belief system you got there
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but we don't push it we don't use it as
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like sometimes I regret the decision
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because we can't use them as a threat
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but that's what he's there for now
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yeah but other than that you know we
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don't push it and it'll be interesting
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to see what her take is when you know my
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god there's a child is insurance
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worldview you know it's it's it's
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pleasant enough it's not one of my least
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favorite Christmas oh I in all
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seriousness i would say that on the
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video blur i would
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I'm i would say give it give it give
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another look because I think there are a
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lot of levels to this film and and that
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if what you come away with is about the
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commercialism of it i mean i think the
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point the film is actually to the the
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people who are rising above the
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commercialism it is set at macys so yes
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that's true but that's what Chris is
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more point is you know he's doing things
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like making that little Dutch girl happy
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and you know that it's more important
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things than the commercials which is why
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he sends people to Gimbels I mean it
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happens that forms a perfect synergy
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with macy wanting to get more people
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into his store but that's not the whole
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reason why you did it but still you
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gotta move product and i write those I i
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am impressed with how competent they
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allow Doris Walker to be as the single
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female divorce a.m she's she's doing it
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for herself I mean she's risen up high
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in the in the chain and macy she's in
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charge of the whole parade yeah well at
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least it was quite we're not that far
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removed from an area where to world war
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two when women were quite commonly in
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the workplace because no one else was
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was around saying this would not have
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been I I don't think shocking except if
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you're in the the Catholic defense
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league or whatever the hell was that
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protest well I'm heartened that they
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stuck with it for at least a couple
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years at war until until Eisenhower came
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around and set us all street she does
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put clowns on the pirate float in the
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opening scene which I find some horses
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in America yeah yeah yeahs Connor she is
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she's concerned about how crisp has
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latent maniacal tendencies but she
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doesn't seem to have a problem with
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letting him touch her daughter into bed
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with a check find a little strange but
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otherwise very competent well you know
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you went through that those busy single
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working mothers need to need to you that
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utilizes much second party help us take
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a man you got Santa Claus to put your
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kid to bed you make use of that exactly
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I think we would be remiss if we did not
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mention the greatest newspaper headline
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of all time
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oh yes yes please Kris Kringle crazy
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court case coming calamity cry kitties
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ok ok yes also I i do like at some point
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when they when when
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Charlie the political fixer is telling
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the judge you know why you shouldn't say
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there's no Santa Claus and he mentions
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the kids reading the newspaper which i
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kinda liked wasn't supposed to call i
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gagged I guess the kids probably were
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reading the newspaper said that point so
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i think yeah they had to get informed
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somehow there was no twitter for the
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latest on the very next moment where
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where he sees that the case has gotten
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put up on the on the front page and he's
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like oh this is good this is good this
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is good for me it's good for my business
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it's good that we're getting the
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publicity the newspaper is a big part of
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that too and yes
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in addition to the the calamity cry
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kitties i love the the line early on
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about these pirius Santa Clauses that's
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just fantastic
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substituting for experienced Santa
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Clauses also never noticed until this
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viewing that the employee elevator at
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macy's is far too small for this is that
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building apparently she and Shellhammer
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doors walker and Cheryl Shellhammer have
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to wedge themselves out from behind
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about 60 people in order to get to the
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meeting with macy alright let me tell
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you about a sponsor on the uncomfortable
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this is a is a good one
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it's a kickstarter project for max
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Temkin co-creator of cards against
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humanity
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it's got an interesting name are you
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ready here it is it secret
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Hitler that's right now you may be
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saying to yourself why would you put
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Hitler in the name of a product but
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you've got here with this product is and
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it'll make sense and i also subscribe to
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the mel brooks line of thought which is
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the more things we can say to demean or
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mock hitler the better anyway secret
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Hitler is a game it's a inspired by
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classic party games like mafia or
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werewolf or the resistance if you know
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those it introduces some new mechanics
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to the genre anyway if you're familiar
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with any of those sort of social
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deduction games you will get a little
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bit about what secret Hitler is all
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about the liberal team is trying to keep
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control of the government this is
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definitely inspired by the rise of the
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Nazis in World before world war two and
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they are a majority group right but they
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have distrust and they need to learn to
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work together to overcome fascism and
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assassinate Hitler before he can take
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over the government so it's super
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intense
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but it's also really interesting and how
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it tries to take a page out of history
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and understand the dynamics that led to
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the rise of somebody who did not have
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the support of the majority but that
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person ended up taking control of the
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government so it is a little bit of
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history and a little bit of social
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commentary and also it falls into this
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social deduction category for played
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werewolf you know what i'm talking about
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very fun and very cool it's on
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Kickstarter now it's already funded
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3,500 people have already backed it so
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when you back it on Kickstarter which
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you can do through december 23rd you're
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going to get the game you're going to
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get the game and you can learn a lot
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more about it see it in action watch the
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videos at secret Hitler dot-com that's
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where you need to go secret Hitler com
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max Temkin who created co-created cards
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against humanity smart guy funny guy
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this is a great idea for a game he's
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done some other game design in the last
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few years that I've really enjoyed i
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encourage you to check it out especially
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if you played any of those social
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deduction games like mafia or werewolf
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I think you will find secret Hitler a
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really intriguing spin on the concepts
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go to secret Hitler calm and thanks to
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max and everybody else pine secret
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Hitler calm for sponsoring the
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uncomfortable and by the way phil was
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the secret Hitler all along i love the
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drunken mrs. Shellhammer by the way that
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is all made by i could not totally so
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city of me and she's just laughing I
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made them triple string a movie in which
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the drunken Santa Claus from the first
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scene meets drunken mrs. Shellhammer
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would be minus me or my Christmas movie
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it's just drink and laugh together made
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the martinis triple strength and she
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feels wonderful miracle streets of
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street much about their marriage to
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Arkady is away colleges yes this is
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hitter there and there is no empty nest
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syndrome to them at all what's a better
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ya rappin martinis for dinner every
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night mostly off me
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mom dad I'm home from college I'm
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started we have a jar of cocktail one of
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the few ppl unions and that is held in
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another in another world they are Nick
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and Nora Charles yeah we haven't eaten
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since nineteen forty-two
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I did I can enjoy the just every time I
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love that she gets the witch wind the
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telephone is roll that's just the best
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yeah it's the best city of me go and
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there's no no there's no reason that
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that's in that movie there's no reason
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it's there other than its zany hey
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speaking of loveless marriages let's
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talk about life in winter
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alrighty street let's do it alright
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alright so we start with theme music
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straight out of an omen film as I was
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watching I said they're gonna be like
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three panels and then tap out just
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because the opening credits because it
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really so would you care to imitate the
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open you know music hate to put you on
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the spot but you do a very good job
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oh it's all right for people from
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different situation to love my dad used
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to run around that was singing raging
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raging latissimus starside at the
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perfect and that was pretty much always
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saying along to the crowds we watched it
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every year Christmas as a terrorist
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family tradition the first time I
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watched it took me like three tries to
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realize it was a DSS array from a
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Catholic Mass was like oh ok they're not
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an NCAA you know they are not know the
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year each 1183 icing
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yes and this the scene England Henry the
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second is the king and he is he is what
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you might call a lion in winter because
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he's a little bit old he needs to find
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an error because his son Henry you know
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died because he was trying to overthrow
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his father I think additionally it is
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water that this film is said it exactly
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winter and yeah it's Christmas because
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receive but it is not it is not England
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it is not set in England it set in
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yeah answer technically speaking Hindi
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the second was the king of half of
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friends at this point yes and that's
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where the movie set yeah they ship the
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ship it katharine hepburn in from London
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for ya where she's locked up yeah I'm
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and kept up there i think that you have
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to understand about Henry that editing
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second element is there basically one of
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history's fun couples there these their
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couples in history who significantly
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shape culture change
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and statecraft like the Emperor
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Justinian and his wife
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Theodora or um Napoleon and Josephine
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and Henry and Eleanor and this movie is
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is basically about just can't quit each
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other random and they get it and it's
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about a contentious family Christmas
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guess what get what could be more
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Christmassy than getting together
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bringing the family from the far-flung
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corners of your kingdom and no one gets
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a long and dark use all the time and
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tries to kill each other with sorts
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well it does go on about you know the
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tendency to revert to your childhood
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roles in this case technically speaking
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both Richard and John shouldn't even
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facing the succession thing but again
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Henry the younger died when he was
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waging war against his dad and Henry the
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second was so capable of holding a
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grudge that when Henry the younger came
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to like Henry the younger sent
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emissaries to Henry with two deathbed
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requests and the first most i'd like to
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see you before i die father and the
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answer was no and then the second
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request that you please free my mother
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on because by this point like Henry sons
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were beginning to like overthrown was
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like a hottie
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please bring my mother from prison and
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the answer that was also flat know like
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Henry the second is the kind of guy who
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really enjoys disappointing his children
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when they disappointed him and what's
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it's very much a the The Who's Afraid of
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Virginia Woolf kind of paradigm it'sit's
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George and Martha except they're both
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more fun and more deadly and
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bloodthirsty now the reason this is a
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classic christmas movie in our house and
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get my dad really really enjoyed movies
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of a lot of a of back-and-forth
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interplay you know he also enjoyed
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please like that too
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and indeed this was a play before it was
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a movie you'd never know it
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yeah as anyone who watches it wanted to
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tell how could you tell this was a play
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I mean there's a wide establishing shot
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then there's ppl yapping in a room then
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there's a wide establishing shot then
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there's people you have another shot
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goes on for several minutes yeah there's
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a shot with all of them lined up talk it
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follows the same basic rhythm is the
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Star Wars prequels
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except it's it's more popcorn movie than
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me said a king you who do i have to
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separate out my deep sentimental
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fondness and my love for this against
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the fact that visually it is totally not
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a standard like the one thing i do
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appreciate visually is it points out
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that it really is not cool or fun or
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beautiful to be living in an era where
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there's no endure heat or sanitation or
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you know brightly colored clothing or
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anything like that so so I pretty much
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just wondering reason King any dresses
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like a hobo
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well I appreciate that they don't
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glamorize it and that they don't make it
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look like it's you know that all silks
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and linens and in jewels all the time
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it's basically a bunch of super cold
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people in a giant smoky stone structure
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try not to choke and try not to get
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killed by each other at the same time I
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love the play and I really liked the
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movie but i love the play and so i don't
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i don't have the illusion that this is
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the greatest movie on earth it is too
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James Goldman adapted his own script and
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and opening it out doesn't do any favors
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when so much of it is still closed in
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although anthony hopkins I think there's
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just that moment where he says to tell
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you never cold i would have come but you
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never called like the first time I saw
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that I kind of stopped Stockstill
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because that that you know hit the heart
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because it was just so raw
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yes and so visceral so it's interesting
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to watch his performance and you know i
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like the actors who play Jeffrey and
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John have evidently going on to have
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long and distinguished career ever but
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it's really none of those actors can
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keep up with Peter O'Toole and Katharine
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Hepburn oh no sir
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so we're about 10 minutes into this and
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i haven't actually discussed the plot
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which i think is telling we could
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because plot is not actually central to
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this movie I'm not really I i can get I
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can do the plot in about 20 seconds yeah
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uh Peter O'Toole needs to find an heir
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to the throne either going to have a
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Christmas court where the King of France
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is played by timothy dalton in one of
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his his position as you first movie is
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coming over to negotiate a peace treaty
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are so he decides to get the
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Eleanor of Aquitaine out of the deep
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freeze brings her and brings in his
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three sons all of whom to marry degrees
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hatem and then the rest of the movie is
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him fighting without Eleanor and him
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fighting with the sun's as we try and
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determine who the air is but really
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that's not the important part the
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important part is the interactions
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between Henry and Eleanor that's the
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entire of a fulcrum on which the movie
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pivots and for my just to reveal my hand
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i absolutely love the scenes between
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Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn I
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think those make the movie alone with
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watching I'm less inclined anytime that
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the the three sons are on the screen and
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when it's there's no Peter to lure know
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Katherine Hepburn go fix yourself a
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drink because that means it's not much
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of a movie then it's yet it's very slow
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it's very pokey and its stages hell and
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cognac and not in not in that ropeway
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will be all those robbers stages hell
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but Rome actually it works as a state
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movie as theatre boy it it hurts to
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watch this sometimes because of that is
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your specific identity that is any
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theatre boy rogues the streets looking
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for clays lights please
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and yeah it's it's just so aggressively
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not filmic in a lot of scenes and
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especially the wedding sequence where
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they're all lined up in a row and the
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camera doesn't even move it's like that
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all like God to know that is that is
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weird and it's just painful but I do
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that it does let you concentrate the
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language that's true i do love Hopkins
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and I love watching him and especially
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in the scene with with just him and
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Dalton when he when he thinks they're
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alone in Dalton's bedchamber where he is
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again it's a very raw emotion for him
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wherever he is he's trying to not be
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vulnerable and still say dude did you
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love me you know and that is just
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devastating and and so it's
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devastating and and so it's
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fun to watch that of the three sons I
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think John castle as Prince Jeffrey does
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the best job because he yeah he is the
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piteous so that is dear to my heart i
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think difference John looks like bob
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geldof involved and Nigel Terry was
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Prince John he is he has given no
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favourites because it's basically it
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seems like his directions be as worried
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as possible I was just gonna say where
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be because for me and unpleasant and
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just every time the cameras on him i
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cringe and was like you just weed your
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tight we want we want viewers to when
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they when they look at you think what is
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wrong with that guy
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yeah i do that for us yes because at one
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point Peter of tool promises his
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mistress to Prince John but and and
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basically you've got all that poor
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mistress
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oh man when there are more simple and he
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smells like a stock areas of the house
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to go to one of the brothers anyway
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because she came with the Vexin answer
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and they were more interested in holding
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onto the vaccine for strategic purposes
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so and if she doesn't marry one of them
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transfer internet after turn the dowry
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I mean I think this makes that I think
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the line it makes a really good holiday
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movie mostly because um if you've ever
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had a holiday family where somebody
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somewhere is starting up the the the
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poop for no good reason or people come
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back and automatically revert to roles
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they last held in the 1980s or nineteen
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nineties like watching this can be
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weirdly cathartic know i'm
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super-interested to hear why people
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hated it
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well that's Jason snows music exactly my
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static it's not a holiday movie it's
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it's a that's a sham to give us to watch
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a movie that's not actually about the
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holiday
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always know that I will fight about
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families get ready okay if yes it is
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about family if you happen to be the
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king of freaking England and your
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children or or or we'll put it this way
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if you really want to strain the
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metaphor
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yes it is is about a family that hates
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each other but they're all tied together
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and they're all going to go down
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together or at least some of them will
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be stabbed by the by the the the strong
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men who are brought in the middle of the
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night on as it's just very early
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Christmas morning
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you know I found I found it it's very
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talky some of the dialogue is very good
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it goes on forever it's completely
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static it's a very long film some of the
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performances are good some of the
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performances are not good and I after
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about an hour i really wanted to turn it
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so there you go i and i watched the
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whole thing but i found it unpleasant
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it's martin parts there are some good
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performances and i found maybe there was
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30 minutes that I appreciated in the two
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hours and 15 maybe
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yeah so you know I I don't like this
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movie I thought it was crappy I could I
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could totally cut it down by at least 45
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minutes even even from some of the good
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scenes because because yea its to long
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yeah I could see liking this movie a lot
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more after seeing it three or four times
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where i actually knew what the hell they
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were saying and could actually
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appreciate the diary because I can
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understand half of it but i would not
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watch this a second time because I was
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frankly just kind of bored by what I
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would have said the density of it was
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overwhelming on one level and also made
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me realize there's all probably a lot of
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very good material here but I cannot
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take all of this in at once it's like I
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just couldn't sit there and take it all
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in so it's one of those things like
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should i watch this movie in 10 minutes
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installments because I would probably
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appreciate it a lot more if I just
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focused on it for 10 minutes and then
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walked away but with the actions don't
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help either
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no the accents are also all over the
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place to that's another thing about the
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play versus the movie where is now again
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because he opens it out you have these
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long you know establishing shots and you
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know to look we're on locators a beach
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in Wales and their dogs are dogs in the
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ferry dock great memory dogs
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the stage come on and but because the
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the play has to move and it doesn't have
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time for location shots it doesn't have
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time for you know walking in the long
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procession with the dogs
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lord I was making my old one yeah it is
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much tighter you know and and it allows
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you to focus on the language and it
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tells the it gives you all the setup for
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everything much quicker and much sharper
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so that you're not having to wait 30
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minutes 44 katharine hepburn to show up
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she's in like the second scene theater
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is static because it's on a stage and
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yet they can move things around on the
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stage but you sit in your seat and you
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are the director essentially and and the
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and the staging can draw your attention
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where it needs to be and and I feel like
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I felt abandoned in the way this movie
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is shot that it's not shot like one shot
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of just a stage right there are these
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long single shots but you you feel you
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have those moments where like wow I I'd
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almost rather you be telling me where to
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look now but instead I felt just kind of
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completely abandoned and in theater i'm
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in the mode where I'm like okay I'm
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going to be surveying the scene and
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looking around and working with the
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actors and the director they're going to
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be trying to draw my attention to places
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and whereas in film it was like yeah
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we're we're not gonna bother
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good luck and I it it really turned me
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off on that to which is the direction he
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reminds me a little bit of 1776 which
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also yeah i mean they basically just
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picked it up from the stage and drop
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down said okay we're gonna set the
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camera over here and maybe once in a
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while have one of those yearbook photo
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shots but otherwise you know we're just
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we're talking about your father's in the
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back short founding fathers in the front
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if this is the play and it looks like a
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play and that's about all the effort
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we're going to put into it and but but
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1776 had the benefit of being somewhat
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likable was fun yeah
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this did not and and so much of the
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direction of this i mean just in terms
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of the acting direction is very much
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oh play it like you're on the stage so
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it's a lot louder and and everyone is
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trying to legislate voices to match
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match show do tool time to get i come
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from a family with shoddy people in it
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so having a two-shot was no big deal
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because so that was actually par for the
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course a lot of family having is growing
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up but still pointed out when we walked
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doing the rewatching like oh my god he
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really does shadow
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lot yeah and and it's so much of it i
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mean again I really like O'Toole
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generally but he there couple points
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where he goes way overboard and and like
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when when she's taunting him in the bank
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and they had taken Peters I've their
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scars yeah and he just suddenly goes I
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just finishing off and so ya blue dial
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it down he starts to 10 and Gentile 20
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yes in that peanut away where you just
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keep going like this
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yeah I recognize there are great
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performances in this katherine hepburn
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is fantastic chance yes
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yeah individual lines i think are
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fantastically funny I I I recognize that
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there's some great back-and-forth hear
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some very nice cutting lines and here
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and in the end I just didn't give a damn
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because these are all terrible people
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and I don't like any of the mouth
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they're all bastards i have no rooting
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interest in the end I rooting interest
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was I hope this ends like a Shakespeare
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tragedy
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everybody is dead yeah and everyone's
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lying in a puddle of blood on the floor
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except maybe Timothy Dalton you a lot of
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them do
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Jeffrey is getting the deal in a
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horseback-riding accident but i want to
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buy anything you want to see that
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montage where it's like the unavailable
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housewife little credit see ya said
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everybody started walking journey to
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buyer dead yet now the thing I i never
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understood the thing that vexes me to
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this day is Prince Jeffrey is obviously
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the one of the three of them with the
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best impulse control and the most states
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minecraft like mind and he has
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persistently passed over by both but
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yeah that was interesting is like they
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just straight up hated him from birth
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really happy because he's a dick
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the nice thing about this isn't real
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life prints Geoffrey took his
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magnificent brain and hired himself out
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to the French and worked actively
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against his father's interest for the
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rest of his short life until he was
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kicked in a horseback-riding accident
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Henry actually always loved him and he
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died yesterday I do like how all the
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characters call um although all the sons
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call Katherine Hepburn mommy mommy yes
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I thought that was directorial choice
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that she was actually a mummy mental
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yeah what's the time difference about
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things like that Dan lots of times the
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second time I've seen this movie by the
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way I I so what I appreciate about the
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about this movie is that it is about
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Henry failing to accept his own morality
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mortality right he tries to control what
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happens after he's gone and he can't he
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just he can't do it and they're there is
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a great moment where he is talking to
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Katharine Hepburn about how he's going
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to get a an annulment and he's going to
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Mary Alice orale sir what is yeah and
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they're gonna have babies and and she's
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just sitting there like she's like wait
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for it he's gonna figure this out you
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know let's walk you through what's gonna
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happen is that your babies the babies
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are going to get killed by your grown
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sons and their the great line is what
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you want to have more sons you have
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plenty of Suns already yes that's just
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that's great game it's great because he
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he is completely misguided and trying as
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he is aging to put off death and control
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his family from beyond the grave and
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it's not gonna happen and that i really
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appreciate it and that he's also got
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he's not focused on I i think one of the
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things I sort of enjoy about him as a
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character is that he is not purely
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focused on the glory of being King right
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he is he a lot of what he talks about is
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looking yeah he is a lot of a talk about
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enthusiastically is like you know
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justice laws that kind of stuff right
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he's trying to maintain a piece
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he's trying to maintain stability right
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like Taiwan and he laid down the
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foundation for english cognac one of the
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greatest Kings they've ever had and so
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the point but it's not just I'm trying
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to ensure sort of my Legacy's like I'm
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trying to ensure the stability and like
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prosperity of my country of all that
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I've done to you know establish all of
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these various you know laws and things
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like that and so I think that you know
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he has a I think he has a noble
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intention
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unfortunately he's not very good at
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exercising that was also his pride
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getting in the way because he does have
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that vision and and clearly Richard or
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Jeffrey would be a better ruler but he
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wants John because Eleanor once Richard
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and it's sort of like
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well i'm going to pick the one I want
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I'm sorry I'm going to pick the one I
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want to tell you know they need to
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practice
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well one of the things that I that this
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movie could have benefited from that the
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plate alludes to from time to time to
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time is that Eleanor and Henry had a
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tremendous falling out when on Eleanor
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what one element when Henry took a
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mistress and he didn't just take Rosen
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Clifford and he didn't just take cookie
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had lots and lots of women but she was
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his mistress for 11 years switches
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serious tenure like in terms of kingly
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mistresses and he made indicated i heard
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from that well he made the mistake of
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moving her into Eleanor's apartments and
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telling Eleanor to stay in the country
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and given whoo Eleanor of Aquitaine was
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she was like she's like I really don't
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give a hoot you sleep with what I give a
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hoot about his he led into state graph
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because that's my that's my jam and that
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was when she was like all right children
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herself as an equal in terms of power
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statecraft and most importantly war like
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this is a dude who forgot that she
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divorced her first husband because he
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was insufficiently warmongering but will
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heat she did ok well yeah because it
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comes down to the crusade she wanted to
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legitimately like terrorizing conquer
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most of the land leading to Jerusalem
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has was like no no we're we're here to
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legitimately convert people just like
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the other hand and he's like a moment
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that's all interesting stuff it's a pity
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none of it was in the movie that we are
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authorised you have to say I think the
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center club this movie is that
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everything Lisa said is interesting and
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not in the movie
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yeah like and this is the things i think
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the movie would have benefited a little
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bit more if you had all that subtext and
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shading and you understood that
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Eleanor's not merely being uppity or
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scored wife Eleanor is a legitimate
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monarch and Henry made a big tactical
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error and has been paying the price ever
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since I was a little irritated that I
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had to spend 20 minutes on wikipedia
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before it could actually watch the show
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and all these people played a very
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clearly from the top when when in the
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first scene
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Peter O'Toole makes a reference to King
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Lear you know this is a this is a family
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drama is a nap not actually really about
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history at all
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I mean it the fact that these people
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share circumstances and character and
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and names with historical figures is
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kind of passing at best
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I don't know i think what is actually I
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think end of this there is a there's a
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coming to peace between Henry and
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Eleanor a little bit you will you you
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get the feeling that's been a game the
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whole time
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yeah I feel like this is their regular
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Christmas Eve thing you know that this
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is a different religion or wait guys see
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you again next Christmas i think what
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this movie shows you is at the beginning
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of Henry's like yeah whatever the
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statecraft this is owner huh
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God and over the course of the movie as
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they play chess with their children and
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with his mistress
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um by the end of it they basically we
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discovered why they love each other but
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circumstances in history as such where
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their books secretly super crazy about
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each other but they can't back down and
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to me that's the answer that's the most
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interesting thing about it is by the end
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of it you can see that they're never
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going to let each other go and they had
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their resigned to it and it's a really
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happy sort of resignation because it's
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like if I had nothing else in this world
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i have been the object of passion and
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intense energy from this person who was
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like this crazy conquering genius you
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know and it gratifies your egos and it
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feeds something in them the next best
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thing to having a spouse is having a
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nemesis whereas I didn't care either way
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because they're both bastard
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yeah well the one thing i do like in
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this is how that there is that
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realization that people did not live
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very long
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no in this period you know he has the
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line i'm 50 now good god I'm the oldest
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High Line only got ten years of the
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problem I could kick and I can rule
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mm I feel like someone should do a
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podcast so sort solely screaming Peter
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O'Toole on it he podcast with o2
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holberton in your Terrace is so cool so
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I i well I appreciate the theatricality
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of that scene where Katherine Hepburn
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peter o'toole are talking and it goes
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from them being really spatel to each
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other to the tender moment where they
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exchange a kiss to them being totally
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hateful to each other again I appreciate
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the structure of it
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and the theatricality of like i said and
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the performances of it at the same time
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as Steve said uh III didn't really
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appreciate it in terms of uh anything
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remotely resembling what human beings
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would actually do and so I just was like
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yeah whatever
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and again I just had a whole lot of boy
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that must be really tough to be the king
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of many countries
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yeah that's what that's a hard life you
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got there so I i don't know i just i I
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never felt the connection with these
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characters i thought it was a lot of
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clever word play by a writer I felt like
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I was watching writer write not dialogue
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that was being acted by good actors and
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that was it
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in the end there was a scene with beds
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and tapestries and many things got said
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and that was pretty much that's what
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tapestries are forced yeah
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yes everyone's having attacked was the
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original let's make a deal what's behind
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tapestry number one it's your son won't
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miss King James remember to also your
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self your site still your son but part
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of the problem for me i don't i don't
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necessarily have a problem seeing people
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be awful to each other on screen what
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bothered me a little bit was that it
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just seems like what was all the
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back-and-forth was like mine game after
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mine game is turn one way and then the
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other and then the other and I never had
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a clue which one of those was the actual
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point of view or the actual around
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whatever it was that the character was
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trying to get at
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so II did you get it was it was not only
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hard to follow but it was hard to care
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because it just seemed like they were
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screwing with each other for no reason
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yes it's called family see yeah that was
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pretty much it is that for Henry and
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Eleanor sometimes that well actually in
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many cases there was a point there's a
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great scene where Henry basically tells
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Philip you've told me everything I've
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told you nothing this is how it's done
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yeah but I think when it comes to Henry
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and Eleanor screwing with the other
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person is the point like if they if they
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get anything out of it that's a bonus
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but for all of these people it was just
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I'm going to score points because I can
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because I can it's like when your kid
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nick backseat of the car and you you
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know maybe you try to irritate your
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brother as much as possible just to see
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what you can get away with yeah wow yeah
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don't I don't I don't find that
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entertaining at all as a viewer you know
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i-i-i I could see that them attacking
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each other in various ways i wanted to
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know which one was the real character
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today really is this tender moment the
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real Eleanor and Henry or is that just
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another step on their pathway of
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university hanging that Henry scene with
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the Henry scene with Philip actually
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come to think of it as a little bit like
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the Wallace Shawn seen from princess
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bride you've told me everything
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it's sad but I think my favorite scene
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in wide shots of people in livestock
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walking in lyons the movie is haha is
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probably the fight between the two
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guards down in the castle yeah I really
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cares about that one yeah you always see
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these these wonderfully choreographed
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fast-action fights coming guys in chain
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mail and this is probably a heck of a
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lot more like it actually would hold
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down this guys just sort of stumbling
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around and feebly attempting to jab each
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drop your sword and then stabbed a knife
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with your dagger there is so many
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everybody's got a lawyer this like a
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quick cut from close up to close up
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where they don't match in your trunk and
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add when did they move what does a
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gentleman
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yeah how did their faces change
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expression that fast and and some of the
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expressions are are like silent movie
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mugging to the back of the theaters like
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what are you doing man and I say this
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with a movie that I kinda like but man
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oh I would love to know more about the
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direction of like just pretend to play
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like okay will be pleased we know those
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not like your newfangled moving picture
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that's the thing about this is it's not
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like movies were a really new media at
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this point but now because because Lisa
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and I once watched the the lives of
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Henry VIII 80 was a really early movie
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that kinda define the direction British
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cinema took with a man caster hassle
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when caster and charles laughton and and
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you want to talk about movies where
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they're just trying to figure out how
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movies work that is that is that movie
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and it is so far advanced over the lion
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in winter terms of how to compose a shot
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and how to frame a narrative and tell a
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story on film and it's like he's he was
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an editor the director and yeah he's a
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really great editor to jersey edited dr.
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Strangelove and the spinal it's cold
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do you think there's a possibility that
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the actors just ran roughshod over him
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because I think that's very was a
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possibility because apparently he
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doesn't like Peter O'Toole shout that
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much if you're the same person
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katharine hepburn apparently spent most
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of our time on the set and moshing Peter
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O'Toole and the SME Hopkins showing up
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half in the bag that up that's and it
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shows that is very funny i'm not from
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jaw drop this yeah it's nice having
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Hopkins first roll it was yeah its first
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world a little brash and it's showing
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unloaded that shows now he spent most of
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the it wasn't until about the 77 days
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got got so yeah Phil what else should we
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talk about about the line and winter and
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companies hot talk it out I i think i
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think we are pretty much Lisa loves the
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David and I kind of like it why are you
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I mean I'm in the middle of and then and
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then and then Morgan likes bits of it
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and I you and Steve the hated with the
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fire of a thousand suns left and that's
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where we're like a family squabbling on
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Christmas you two in the wine cellar
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right now
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you stink you're a stinker I honestly
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felt like I was um that it was a setup
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because I I was not aware exactly of how
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little this had to do with anything
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regarding regarding the holidays and so
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part of my reaction too was like okay I
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I've been had by phillip michael it's
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just out that Howard that's how it's
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gonna be
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but I place i believe this is in the
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holiday vol.2 yeah well yeah didn't make
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a deal for aqua teen we can overthrow
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Jason is the host of this party is at
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this point I think he would give it over
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all we have to do is ask
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I would have you all stabbed in your
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sleep you throw in the dungeon you could
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just step to sleep it would've been
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faster I'm
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the fighting you for god sakes pay
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attention excuse me I've got to go back
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up onto the roof of the castle and shout
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and jump around you know that I know
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that he knows that we know that we're
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devastating and hilarious monk I'm
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resolve that Bureau tools just goes on
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the end it later I thought he was going
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to die again and he didn't die then
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the dialogue is is to be appreciated and
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that if i had watched in short bits but
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the way that the film makes no effort to
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a it's a competent directing job but as
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a film direction i think it's a it's
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piss-poor so there you go
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yeah it's a very it's a very poorly
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it's so proud of itself that didn't even
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have to bother
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yeah well we only got this is a pristine
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people love this dialogue screw the rest
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of it yeah yeah well hold the better to
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read actors it's a Broadway hit toon
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it'll be it'll be fine you know it's
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good so what you're saying is it's
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basically a British kevin smith film
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where it's all about the dialogue there
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well you have jay and silent bob hiding
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behind one of the curtains in the French
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exactly this is why you have a
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comprehensive tapestry policy of always
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running to just obvious hard a lot to us
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about the tapestries you know if
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dungeons and dragons is not taught us
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room completely including behind
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hydrogen mysteries yet at least three or
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statues you can really sure what's
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behind the tapestry and tell you that at
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least six or seven times check the
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Polonius doctrine is a really good love
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by the way already I like that one I'm
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hiring people to analyze all your future
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selections before I know haha are you
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stripping me of my powers are you
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sending me off to a castle to live in
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disgrace for 10 years before I allow on
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the show again do you think will another
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will never die I hope so i'd love that
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I never get the ending of them like what
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why are they waving at each other why is
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he laughing because I'm gonna do it
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again next year little business together
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feel alive and young and this gives them
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hope you can be because they're
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basically an unstoppable power couple
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they just let some really unfortunate
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circumstances name roslyn and a couple
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over throw attempts getting away
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the film is over i can go drink or are
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we to assume that the boys escape off
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into the wild somewhere or do they just
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disappear into the castle and everything
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is like that the 30-minute sitcom
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episode is over and we're back to square
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the time
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what shall we do tonight Richard the
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same thing we do every night try to
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overthrow the king talents and on that
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note I'm going to thank my guests and
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close up this edition of the old movie
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club / holiday movie club / movies that
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are set at the holidays but not actually
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holiday movie club club doesn't take
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something like that i would like to
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thank my guests stanmore and thank you
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for being here when the fall is all
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there is
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Jason it matters fair enough
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Steve let's thank you for being here I
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you're very welcome Jason obviously the
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people who like the line and winter are
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crazy but maybe they're only a little
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crazy like painters or composers or some
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of those men in Washington rel outside
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David Laura thank you all all i want for
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christmas is to be king of the Pope's so
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yeah crazy Lisa Schmeisser thank you
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very much i know you know I know I know
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you know I know we have girls and Henry
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knows we know where a knowledgeable
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oh and Phillip Michaels thank you very
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I apologize for nothing you
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son-of-a-bitch
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my boys are gone i lost my boys so I am
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not in the habit of substituting
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experience holiday and on that note i
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will thank everybody for listening
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maybe we'll talk about Star Wars next
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this year the incomparable has been
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brought to you by you
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thank you for listening we really
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appreciate it we're putting together our
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best of the year episode and if you have
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any suggestions please send them to
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podcast at the incomparable dot-com your
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favorite stuff we've done this year so
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that we can put it on our special
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