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00:00:00 ◼   ► - So I think I've leveled up as a nerd.

00:00:03 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:00:04 ◼   ► - I have, for I think the first time ever,

00:00:08 ◼   ► replaced a toner cartridge on a home laser printer

00:00:11 ◼   ► in my house.

00:00:12 ◼   ► - Now is the leveling up having to do with you

00:00:14 ◼   ► performing the task as in look at what I did,

00:00:17 ◼   ► I changed my own oil, or is the leveling up

00:00:19 ◼   ► owning a laser printer long enough to use up all the toner?

00:00:21 ◼   ► - The latter.

00:00:22 ◼   ► So, you know, I know all the millenniums out there

00:00:28 ◼   ► like, I don't even need a printer.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Okay, I need printers, like that's just my life

00:00:32 ◼   ► and I don't know how anybody doesn't.

00:00:34 ◼   ► But anyway, I have always been a fan of laser printers.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Ever since I discovered them and ever since

00:00:39 ◼   ► they became affordable, which was, I'd say around 2001, 2002,

00:00:43 ◼   ► like they started getting those like sub few hundred dollar

00:00:46 ◼   ► ones that were just black and white

00:00:47 ◼   ► and like from Brother or whatever

00:00:49 ◼   ► and they were really good.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Anyway, over time I have moved on eventually to color lasers

00:00:54 ◼   ► And my favorite color laser is this giant HP Enterprise 500

00:00:59 ◼   ► series thing I have in Westchester that is just massive

00:01:03 ◼   ► and amazing and what I love about it is that you just

00:01:06 ◼   ► hit print and you walk over to the printer

00:01:08 ◼   ► and the time you arrive, it's there, it's done.

00:01:11 ◼   ► Like there's no warm up time, there's no like,

00:01:13 ◼   ► let me spin for a while and make some noises

00:01:15 ◼   ► 'cause I'm an Epsom thing, like none of that stuff.

00:01:17 ◼   ► You literally just hit print on your computer,

00:01:19 ◼   ► get up, walk over to the printer and it's sitting there

00:01:21 ◼   ► in the tray ready to go.

00:01:22 ◼   ► I love that.

00:01:23 ◼   ► But here at the beach, my office is quite small

00:01:26 ◼   ► and I don't have a location

00:01:28 ◼   ► that I can put a giant color laser printer.

00:01:31 ◼   ► So I have a tiny one, this little HP M182NW.

00:01:36 ◼   ► And through a combination of me not being able

00:01:39 ◼   ► to fit a bigger printer that I actually want,

00:01:41 ◼   ► and right now printers are insanely expensive.

00:01:44 ◼   ► Like I don't know if you've shopped recently for printers.

00:01:46 ◼   ► I know John, you had one not too long ago,

00:01:48 ◼   ► but printers ever since COVID,

00:01:50 ◼   ► printers, especially the kind of printer

00:01:53 ◼   ► that somebody might want for a home office,

00:01:55 ◼   ► which tends to lean more towards low-end lasers,

00:01:58 ◼   ► especially with built-in scanners,

00:02:00 ◼   ► that category has been expensive

00:02:04 ◼   ► and hard to find for two years.

00:02:07 ◼   ► And especially the one I have,

00:02:09 ◼   ► like I happen to luck out and caught it like for list price

00:02:12 ◼   ► two years ago when I was setting up this office.

00:02:14 ◼   ► And I'm very lucky I did because it's been out of stock

00:02:17 ◼   ► for most of that time or it's been grossly overpriced

00:02:20 ◼   ► on like, you know, scraper sites.

00:02:21 ◼   ► - So it's available right now for $660 on Amazon.

00:02:25 ◼   ► - Oh my God, well the actual price,

00:02:27 ◼   ► some people have it in stock for its actual current list

00:02:30 ◼   ► price of about $470, which I think I paid $300 for it

00:02:34 ◼   ► two years ago. - Ooh, oh my.

00:02:36 ◼   ► - But a set of new toners is only $200.

00:02:40 ◼   ► And so I actually needed all four,

00:02:44 ◼   ► like all four running low, and I lasted a long time

00:02:48 ◼   ► of ignoring its warnings.

00:02:50 ◼   ► 'Cause when laser printers tell you their toner is low,

00:02:52 ◼   ► they don't actually know.

00:02:54 ◼   ► All they're doing is keeping a page count.

00:02:57 ◼   ► Usually, this is a hot tip, you can just keep printing,

00:03:00 ◼   ► unless it has some kind of lockout

00:03:02 ◼   ► where eventually it'll just refuse,

00:03:03 ◼   ► which most of them don't, you can just keep printing

00:03:06 ◼   ► until you start seeing gaps in your printout.

00:03:09 ◼   ► And that's when you know you have to do something.

00:03:11 ◼   ► Now what you need to do might just be

00:03:13 ◼   ► taking out the cartridge and shaking it side to side

00:03:15 ◼   ► a little bit and then putting it back.

00:03:16 ◼   ► and you can usually get a bit more time out of it that way,

00:03:19 ◼   ► but eventually you'd actually do have to replace it.

00:03:22 ◼   ► But it's usually long after it tells you

00:03:24 ◼   ► you have to replace it.

00:03:25 ◼   ► But I actually finally have printed enough pages

00:03:28 ◼   ► on this printer and because it's a small printer,

00:03:31 ◼   ► it has very tiny capacity toner cartridges.

00:03:34 ◼   ► So that combination I finally had to replace

00:03:38 ◼   ► the toner cartridges.

00:03:39 ◼   ► And because of the crazy printer situation right now,

00:03:41 ◼   ► it is not worth just buying a new printer,

00:03:43 ◼   ► which it often, previous to COVID,

00:03:45 ◼   ► often was just cheaper to do that.

00:03:47 ◼   ► - Which is so sad.

00:03:48 ◼   ► - It really is. - But that's neither here

00:03:49 ◼   ► nor there.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Well, I'm very proud of you, Marco.

00:03:52 ◼   ► (electronic beeping)

00:03:54 ◼   ► A lot of you are gonna buy iPhones soon,

00:03:56 ◼   ► and that is a lot of money.

00:03:59 ◼   ► And you know what you can do with some of that money,

00:04:01 ◼   ► especially if you have a little extra laying around?

00:04:03 ◼   ► What can you do with that, Marco?

00:04:05 ◼   ► - Well, you can waste it on electronics

00:04:07 ◼   ► that you vaguely need,

00:04:08 ◼   ► or you can actually use it to literally help kids

00:04:12 ◼   ► with cancer.

00:04:14 ◼   ► First of all, to have research done to prevent that cancer

00:04:17 ◼   ► in the first place, then to have a hospital

00:04:20 ◼   ► that Americans, and because they're Americans,

00:04:23 ◼   ► they have terrible healthcare options,

00:04:24 ◼   ► can go to to have their child's cancer treated

00:04:27 ◼   ► and they never pay a dime, that's a pretty great cause.

00:04:32 ◼   ► St. Jude does amazing work in this area,

00:04:34 ◼   ► and we are very happy to join our friends at Relay

00:04:37 ◼   ► in their September campaign to support them.

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Whatever your particular financial situation is,

00:04:42 ◼   ► as much as we joke about buying new phones

00:04:43 ◼   ► and we're gonna be talking about new phones soon.

00:04:45 ◼   ► If you have even but a dollar to throw

00:04:48 ◼   ► in the direction of Memphis, Tennessee,

00:04:50 ◼   ► specifically to St. Jude, please consider donating.

00:04:52 ◼   ► You can go to stjude.org, that's S-T-J-U-D-E.org/ATP,

00:04:57 ◼   ► and you can very quickly and very easily

00:05:00 ◼   ► go ahead and donate there.

00:05:01 ◼   ► And this is something that the three of us

00:05:03 ◼   ► have been involved with for several years now.

00:05:06 ◼   ► We are all very close with Stephen Hackett.

00:05:08 ◼   ► Stephen Hackett is the co-founder of Relay FM,

00:05:10 ◼   ► And his eldest child, his son, was, and to some degree still is, a patient of St. Jude.

00:05:16 ◼   ► And his son, Josiah's life, was saved by St. Jude.

00:05:20 ◼   ► Like, I don't think this is up for grabs, I don't think this is up for debate.

00:05:24 ◼   ► This is what happened.

00:05:26 ◼   ► For St. Jude to do that and to not charge his family assent is bananas.

00:05:31 ◼   ► And I know if you lived in a civilized country, this sounds utterly depressing because it is,

00:05:36 ◼   ► But America, for all its good parts, has a lot of bad parts,

00:05:39 ◼   ► and one of the bad parts is healthcare.

00:05:41 ◼   ► And I can assure you, it is financially ruinous

00:05:43 ◼   ► to go through a devastating illness like this,

00:05:46 ◼   ► even with insurance.

00:05:47 ◼   ► And so for St. Jude to say to a family,

00:05:50 ◼   ► "Look, this is possibly the darkest days

00:05:52 ◼   ► "of your entire lives.

00:05:54 ◼   ► "We will take a small part of that and make it better.

00:05:57 ◼   ► "We will not charge you a cent.

00:05:58 ◼   ► "We will try to do everything in our power

00:06:01 ◼   ► "to fix your child and to help them survive and thrive."

00:06:05 ◼   ► It's a really phenomenal thing, and this has been going on for 60 years.

00:06:09 ◼   ► They opened their doors in 1962.

00:06:12 ◼   ► And what's great about St. Jude is that it's not just St. Jude Children's Hospital,

00:06:16 ◼   ► it's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:06:19 ◼   ► And so because of treatments that have been developed at St. Jude,

00:06:22 ◼   ► the worldwide childhood cancer survival rate has gone from about 20% to more than 80%.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Now that's not exclusively St. Jude, but it's a lot St. Jude.

00:06:30 ◼   ► So even if you live in a civilized country where you don't have to worry as much about money

00:06:34 ◼   ► and things like that when it comes to illness,

00:06:37 ◼   ► you still have to worry about fixing the illness.

00:06:39 ◼   ► And St. Jude has done incredible and immense things

00:06:43 ◼   ► to help cure childhood cancer.

00:06:45 ◼   ► And hey, you could spend a bunch of money on a phone

00:06:47 ◼   ► that you'll throw away in a year or two,

00:06:49 ◼   ► or you could help cure childhood cancer.

00:06:51 ◼   ► You make the choice, what do you think is best?

00:06:53 ◼   ► So, Jon, what is our plan for the three of us?

00:06:56 ◼   ► What are we doing this year?

00:06:57 ◼   ► - So normally we try to make Casey do a hasty donation

00:07:00 ◼   ► while he's in the middle of recording another podcast,

00:07:02 ◼   ► and then he yells at us and accidentally puts an asterisk

00:07:04 ◼   ► in the name. We're not quite sure how we're going to make Casey donate this year.

00:07:08 ◼   ► No, no, stop! We discussed it before the show. We said we're not going to rush you to do

00:07:13 ◼   ► it now, but we don't actually know when. But anyway, we collectively, as the three hosts

00:07:16 ◼   ► of ATP, will be donating $21,000 to St. Jude this year. One of us will probably try to

00:07:22 ◼   ► be a jerk and add $1 more than the other members. We'll see how that works out. We haven't actually

00:07:27 ◼   ► pushed the button at the time of the recording, but we will be doing that. We are trying to

00:07:30 ◼   ► model good behavior for you, our wonderful listeners.

00:07:33 ◼   ► So please be generous.

00:07:35 ◼   ► Think about how much money you're going to spend on your phone.

00:07:37 ◼   ► And I'm going to say, just buy both.

00:07:38 ◼   ► That's the Marco approach.

00:07:39 ◼   ► Don't pick one or the other.

00:07:41 ◼   ► Buy a ridiculously expensive phone.

00:07:43 ◼   ► Buy the really expensive first-party Apple case.

00:07:45 ◼   ► And also donate a ton of money to St. Jude because that's what September is all about.

00:07:50 ◼   ► Yeah, so my usual pitch is, you know, many of us are about to, you know, sometime this

00:07:55 ◼   ► holiday season or this fall and possibly even next week, drop some money on some tech. You

00:08:02 ◼   ► know, whatever Apple's going to release, we're going to figure out reasons why we have to

00:08:04 ◼   ► have it and we're going to get something. You know, whether you're getting the iPhone

00:08:08 ◼   ► or the Apple Watch or you know, later on in the fall, maybe you're going to get a new

00:08:12 ◼   ► iPad or a new Mac or whatever it is. You're going to be spending some money on tech this

00:08:16 ◼   ► fall in all likelihood if you listen to this show. When that happens, you might have to

00:08:20 ◼   ► spend like seven or eight hundred dollars or more on something and a lot of times you

00:08:24 ◼   ► you get these add-ons at the end.

00:08:25 ◼   ► And that add-on might be something like a case.

00:08:28 ◼   ► Oh, there's another 60 bucks or whatever.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Or if it's an iPad, maybe a new smart cover

00:08:32 ◼   ► or a new keyboard, that's $100 or more.

00:08:35 ◼   ► And at the end, you might have to throw on,

00:08:37 ◼   ► oh, let's throw on some AppleCare, that's another $100.

00:08:40 ◼   ► Oh, sales tax, that's another $100.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Whatever those little increments are

00:08:45 ◼   ► that you kind of just do at the end

00:08:47 ◼   ► because you have to or it's an accessory charge or whatever,

00:08:50 ◼   ► you can donate at least that much to St. Jude.

00:08:53 ◼   ► because if that's how you're looking at the purchase,

00:08:55 ◼   ► oh, I'm gonna get a $700 phone.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Well, actually, it's gonna be an $800 phone

00:09:00 ◼   ► once I get the capacity I want or more.

00:09:02 ◼   ► And then, oh, and then it's gonna be,

00:09:04 ◼   ► actually, once I'm at the door with AppleCare in a case,

00:09:07 ◼   ► it's gonna be $1200.

00:09:09 ◼   ► You know what, you can give Sanju $200.

00:09:11 ◼   ► And so whatever you can do,

00:09:12 ◼   ► if your budget is not that high, give him $20,

00:09:15 ◼   ► give him $50, whatever you can do,

00:09:18 ◼   ► that's up to you with your abilities

00:09:20 ◼   ► and your priorities there, that's up to you.

00:09:21 ◼   ► but we ask that you at least give them something.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Because giving them something is better

00:09:25 ◼   ► than giving them nothing, and whatever you can give,

00:09:28 ◼   ► whether it's five bucks, 10 bucks, or 5,000 bucks,

00:09:32 ◼   ► that's fantastic, good for you, it's a great cause,

00:09:34 ◼   ► and we hope you do.

00:09:36 ◼   ► - What did we do last year for the top donor?

00:09:38 ◼   ► I remember we made a--

00:09:39 ◼   ► - I believe KC visited their house

00:09:41 ◼   ► and made them a Velveeta shells and cheese?

00:09:43 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:09:45 ◼   ► - We had the thing last year where if someone can beat ATP

00:09:48 ◼   ► with our $21,000 donation, if they become the new

00:09:51 ◼   ► top donor, topping us.

00:09:54 ◼   ► We're just competing, the competition's just between

00:09:56 ◼   ► ATP and ATP's listeners, there's probably other people

00:09:58 ◼   ► who are in the mix that you're not competing with,

00:10:00 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:10:01 ◼   ► We talked about them on the show, but did they get anything?

00:10:04 ◼   ► - Stickers, they got stickers.

00:10:06 ◼   ► - Oh, there we go, do you still have stickers left?

00:10:08 ◼   ► Are we doing that again?

00:10:09 ◼   ► - I am happy to do that again, and I do have stickers left.

00:10:12 ◼   ► However, I do have a limited quantity of stickers left.

00:10:15 ◼   ► I should probably print some more.

00:10:16 ◼   ► I can look if you let me step away from the mic

00:10:19 ◼   ► and dig up the stickers and figure out how many I have,

00:10:21 ◼   ► But suffice it to say, it would behoove you

00:10:23 ◼   ► to do a lot of donating and donating it quickly.

00:10:25 ◼   ► Now, you don't have to say, oh, this is for ATP

00:10:28 ◼   ► in the notes or anything like that.

00:10:29 ◼   ► Just send me an email or figure out a way to contact me,

00:10:32 ◼   ► send me something on Twitter.

00:10:33 ◼   ► It's not about ATP versus relay or anything like that.

00:10:35 ◼   ► It's just about raising money to cure childhood.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Oh, stop it. - A little.

00:10:38 ◼   ► - It's about raising money for childhood cancer.

00:10:42 ◼   ► So please, please.

00:10:43 ◼   ► - Raising money with some competition.

00:10:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, this kind of competition

00:10:46 ◼   ► helps people to donate more.

00:10:48 ◼   ► So if you want to be talked about,

00:10:49 ◼   ► if you want us to try to mangle your name

00:10:51 ◼   ► as we try to pronounce it on ATP

00:10:52 ◼   ► and then apologize profusely

00:10:54 ◼   ► and then get a sticker from Casey

00:10:55 ◼   ► if he still has some left,

00:10:57 ◼   ► all you gotta do is donate $21,000 and one cent.

00:11:00 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:00 ◼   ► Or more.

00:11:01 ◼   ► - You never know, what if I donate, what is it, $710?

00:11:05 ◼   ► - I know, yeah, you do have to wait

00:11:07 ◼   ► until we actually do our donations

00:11:08 ◼   ► because Casey sometimes shoves in a couple extra bucks.

00:11:11 ◼   ► - Doesn't it work for anybody who just beats us individually

00:11:14 ◼   ► 'cause we do it as three individual $7,000 donations.

00:11:18 ◼   ► - Okay, so here's the thing,

00:11:19 ◼   ► I think that was the case last year,

00:11:21 ◼   ► but we had some utterly bananas donations last year.

00:11:25 ◼   ► So I will put the challenge out.

00:11:27 ◼   ► Okay, here's your competition.

00:11:28 ◼   ► We're not competing with Relay.

00:11:29 ◼   ► Here's your competition.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Can you, the listener, beat the three of us as a collective?

00:11:34 ◼   ► So, no stickers for you.

00:11:36 ◼   ► - That's a high bar.

00:11:37 ◼   ► - I'm serious, this is what happened last year.

00:11:38 ◼   ► - I would say anybody who beats the $7,000,

00:11:41 ◼   ► they should get stickers.

00:11:43 ◼   ► - What we'll have to do is wait until the whole thing

00:11:46 ◼   ► is over and then see what like the top X donors are

00:11:49 ◼   ► and see how many stickers we have

00:11:51 ◼   ► and figure it out from there.

00:11:52 ◼   ► 'Cause we're not trying to make this like,

00:11:54 ◼   ► obviously most people can't give that much money, right?

00:11:57 ◼   ► You know, so give one dollar, that's what we want you to do.

00:12:00 ◼   ► Give five dollars, give 20 dollars, that's great.

00:12:02 ◼   ► But for the very, very wealthy individuals

00:12:04 ◼   ► who are listening to this and who are taking our advice

00:12:06 ◼   ► on what to do with their, you know,

00:12:07 ◼   ► six figure super hyper cars and stuff,

00:12:10 ◼   ► and their ATB members at the top level,

00:12:13 ◼   ► which is exactly the same as the bottom level,

00:12:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:12:17 ◼   ► They might, I mean, it was happened last year.

00:12:19 ◼   ► People donated a huge amount of money,

00:12:20 ◼   ► so I don't wanna discourage those people.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Very wealthy people, gone.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Do the very wealthy person thing,

00:12:24 ◼   ► and you may get a sticker worth probably at least 10 cents.

00:12:28 ◼   ► - Maybe 50, maybe 50 cents.

00:12:29 ◼   ► - The sticker may be worth as much as the stamp

00:12:31 ◼   ► that Casey uses to mail it.

00:12:32 ◼   ► - That's true, that's true.

00:12:33 ◼   ► - And you can put the 10 cent sticker on your hypercar.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Like that makes total sense, right?

00:12:38 ◼   ► - That's right, just peel it off

00:12:39 ◼   ► and put it on the window of your Ferrari.

00:12:41 ◼   ► It'll look great until it inevitably wears off

00:12:43 ◼   ► and Lou dies 'cause it's like a 10 cent sticker.

00:12:45 ◼   ► - Jon, let me tell you a little secret,

00:12:47 ◼   ► just between the three of us.

00:12:49 ◼   ► I actually sent like a couple of stickers to the big donors.

00:12:52 ◼   ► It was more than one, it was like two, maybe even four.

00:12:55 ◼   ► I think that somebody donated more than $20,000

00:12:57 ◼   ► might even have gotten like six.

00:12:59 ◼   ► - It was a raid array of stickers.

00:13:00 ◼   ► That's why we have no stickers left.

00:13:02 ◼   ► This is sticker inflation.

00:13:03 ◼   ► You gotta be sending these people six stickers.

00:13:05 ◼   ► You gotta think about the future ones.

00:13:07 ◼   ► You know we can't actually make any more stickers.

00:13:08 ◼   ► We've lost the technology for sticker making.

00:13:10 ◼   ► - Yep, that's right.

00:13:11 ◼   ► - I think if somebody actually donates like $21,001,

00:13:16 ◼   ► I think they can get like a pack of stickers at that point.

00:13:19 ◼   ► What is a pack of stickers, like 10 bucks?

00:13:21 ◼   ► - You can give them Marco's old toner cartridge.

00:13:25 ◼   ► We'll think of something.

00:13:26 ◼   ► - No, it's already gone.

00:13:27 ◼   ► I don't have enough room in this office

00:13:28 ◼   ► to keep spares around.

00:13:30 ◼   ► - Well actually, if you really wanna go nuts,

00:13:32 ◼   ► this is going way off the rails,

00:13:33 ◼   ► the speakers that you sent to me and gifted me,

00:13:36 ◼   ► I never ended up doing anything with them

00:13:38 ◼   ► because then I immediately got the studio display

00:13:40 ◼   ► right after and that was sufficient for my purposes.

00:13:42 ◼   ► So you can have third hand Marco speakers

00:13:45 ◼   ► if you're in the continental United States.

00:13:47 ◼   ► - That sounds more like a curse gift.

00:13:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:13:50 ◼   ► - I think I'm kidding.

00:13:51 ◼   ► - You gotta buy a receiver to connect them to

00:13:52 ◼   ► and it's the whole thing.

00:13:53 ◼   ► - I think I'm kidding but we'll see.

00:13:54 ◼   ► If you donate like $30,000 we'll talk.

00:13:56 ◼   ► And CMF in the chat said, you know,

00:13:58 ◼   ► would you send whoever the top donor is an apple pie

00:14:02 ◼   ► as made by Aaron 'cause Aaron makes

00:14:03 ◼   ► some of the world's best apple pies.

00:14:05 ◼   ► I don't think that's really feasible

00:14:06 ◼   ► but I like where your head's at

00:14:08 ◼   ► And if you really do donate tens and tens of thousands of dollars,

00:14:10 ◼   ► let's see what we can figure out. I had no guarantees on anything.

00:14:13 ◼   ► I don't think you can ship food in the mail like that.

00:14:15 ◼   ► I don't think it would survive or be.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Maybe we'll send the recipe. I don't know.

00:14:19 ◼   ► You're going to send the recipe?

00:14:21 ◼   ► I don't know, man. I've just worked with you. Play with me in the space here.

00:14:24 ◼   ► The display postscript of food prizes.

00:14:27 ◼   ► Well, actually, you know, here's what, if we get a hundred thousand dollar donation,

00:14:31 ◼   ► will you send them a pasta sauce recipe? I'll put you on the spot.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Yeah, sure.

00:14:35 ◼   ► For a hundred thousand dollars. You got to John's.

00:14:37 ◼   ► happen but yeah I will oh no challenge accepted but not for me nobody wants it

00:14:40 ◼   ► but yeah I hear you heard it here first hundred thousand dollar donation you get

00:14:43 ◼   ► John's pasta sauce recipe which you may not share with anyone that's part of the

00:14:46 ◼   ► deal you may not share it with anyone but you can have it and however you make

00:14:50 ◼   ► it it will be wrong yeah that's all Merlin made it and he said he liked it

00:14:54 ◼   ► then he never made it again because it's just too much work and he made it wrong

00:14:57 ◼   ► no he made it fine as far as I know oh my goodness all right complicated in any

00:15:03 ◼   ► case, please, please, please, all kidding aside, and really and truly, as much as we're joking

00:15:08 ◼   ► about the big ticket donors, honest to goodness, the fundraising is not about the, you know,

00:15:12 ◼   ► $1,000 donation, the $10,000 donation, the $100,000 donation to get John's Pasta Sauce recipe.

00:15:18 ◼   ► It's about the $10, and $20, and $30 donations. If you're a student and you can only send a few

00:15:22 ◼   ► bucks, send a few bucks! Feel good about yourself. There's nothing wrong with that. So please,

00:15:26 ◼   ► you're going to hear this a few more times. You'll hear it all through September, but please,

00:15:29 ◼   ► please, please consider going to stju.org/ATP. Nobody's making you, you don't have to, but if you

00:15:36 ◼   ► have a few dollars to send their way, it would make the three of us and kids sick with cancer

00:15:42 ◼   ► very, very happy. So please think about it. All right, we have a surprisingly short amount to

00:15:48 ◼   ► follow up this week. Jon, can you tell me about your polarizer and your lens protector?

00:15:52 ◼   ► That's something new I did this year, and I was reminded when I was going through a bunch of my

00:15:55 ◼   ► camera junk on my shelf that I actually did this back when I got my first like Sony a6300 my first

00:16:02 ◼   ► interchangeable lens camera I had bought I don't like a clear lens protector that like screws onto

00:16:08 ◼   ► the front of the lens to protect it from things hitting it or scratches and stuff like that and

00:16:13 ◼   ► I never really used it like I didn't even remember that I had it until I found it up on the shelf

00:16:18 ◼   ► I'm like oh yeah I remember when I got this and I guess I didn't use it and I think why I didn't use

00:16:21 ◼   ► it was after I bought it, I don't even know why I bought it, it was probably suggested

00:16:25 ◼   ► to me as like other people bought this, you know, whatever.

00:16:28 ◼   ► People were saying, oh you shouldn't put that on there because with an APS-C camera like

00:16:34 ◼   ► that you need all the light you can get to the sensor and even though these things are

00:16:37 ◼   ► ostensibly clear, sometimes they cut down the amount of light that goes in especially

00:16:41 ◼   ► if they're not so good and plus you can get glare and reflections and they were naysayers

00:16:45 ◼   ► let's say.

00:16:46 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, I don't want any of that, and I need all the light I can get, so I won't

00:16:52 ◼   ► use this thing."

00:16:53 ◼   ► But when I went on my recent Long Island vacation, I'd totally forgotten about that, but I was

00:16:58 ◼   ► looking through lens stuff, and I was getting suggested to me by various e-commerce sites,

00:17:07 ◼   ► polarizers and clear lens protectors.

00:17:10 ◼   ► Clear lens protectors I was interested in because I had just bought, thanks to Marcos

00:17:13 ◼   ► first gift, a very, very expensive lens, and that I didn't want it to get scratched.

00:17:19 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Okay, well, if I get a clear lens cover, that will help protect it."

00:17:23 ◼   ► And I watched some YouTube videos about that, like, "Yeah, the clear ones are pretty good,

00:17:28 ◼   ► and it's way cheaper to replace them than it is to try to replace a lens that has a

00:17:33 ◼   ► scratch on it."

00:17:35 ◼   ► I was kind of surprised at how expensive a clear piece of whatever the heck it is that

00:17:39 ◼   ► screws onto your lens can possibly be.

00:17:41 ◼   ► but I'm like, it's that the floor mats effect

00:17:44 ◼   ► where you're buying a $30,000 car

00:17:45 ◼   ► and $150 for floor mats doesn't seem so bad, right?

00:17:48 ◼   ► When if you were just buying floor mats by themselves

00:17:51 ◼   ► and they were $150, you'd be like, what?

00:17:52 ◼   ► Although my price is right up to date,

00:17:54 ◼   ► I should probably say like $500

00:17:55 ◼   ► of what the hell floor mats cost now.

00:17:57 ◼   ► So I was considering that.

00:17:59 ◼   ► And also in the same sort of genre of suggested products

00:18:04 ◼   ► were polarizers, which is the thing you put on the lens

00:18:09 ◼   ► your camera that is, it's like polarized sunglasses that cuts down on light whose wavelength is,

00:18:15 ◼   ► what is it, it's not the wavelength, it's the cut down light with the direction of the waves lines

00:18:21 ◼   ► up in a certain way, right? And so I actually decided to get both of those things. I got the

00:18:25 ◼   ► clear protective lens for my very expensive lens that I was going to use like then you know by just

00:18:32 ◼   ► sort of everyday lens that I was going to use for people sitting on the beach towel and people back

00:18:35 ◼   ► at the house and stuff like that.

00:18:36 ◼   ► And then I got a polarizer from my long lens

00:18:39 ◼   ► for people out in the ocean,

00:18:40 ◼   ► 'cause you do get a lot of glare

00:18:41 ◼   ► and reflections off of the ocean.

00:18:43 ◼   ► And when I got the polarizer,

00:18:45 ◼   ► I was kind of surprised to see

00:18:46 ◼   ► that it didn't have any markings on it.

00:18:47 ◼   ► So the way the polarizer works is,

00:18:50 ◼   ► I don't know if you've ever done this

00:18:51 ◼   ► with like pieces of an LCD or whatever,

00:18:54 ◼   ► but you twist it, and when you twist it in one direction,

00:18:59 ◼   ► it's basically clear, not really,

00:19:02 ◼   ► it cuts down some light, but it's basically clear.

00:19:04 ◼   ► It's not doing anything polarizing.

00:19:06 ◼   ► And when you twist it, I think 90 degrees,

00:19:08 ◼   ► that's maximum polarized filtering

00:19:11 ◼   ► where it will cancel out the light waves

00:19:14 ◼   ► that are aligned in a particular direction, right?

00:19:16 ◼   ► But there's nothing on the little thing that says,

00:19:19 ◼   ► this position is off and this position is on

00:19:22 ◼   ► and all the positions in between.

00:19:24 ◼   ► Like, well, maybe they don't put the markings

00:19:25 ◼   ► 'cause it's so obvious when you look through the lens

00:19:27 ◼   ► which direction it is.

00:19:29 ◼   ► And for me, it was kind of like the lip sync thing.

00:19:31 ◼   ► It was not obvious.

00:19:32 ◼   ► I had to go out to my car on my driveway on a sunny day,

00:19:35 ◼   ► look through the viewfinder and twist the thing.

00:19:39 ◼   ► And then you would see, okay, I see the highlights,

00:19:42 ◼   ► the reflections of the sun bouncing off my car,

00:19:44 ◼   ► the twist, twist, twist,

00:19:45 ◼   ► ah, they've kind of almost disappeared.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Then twist, twist, like, ah, they're back.

00:19:48 ◼   ► And so doing that, I figured out where the sort of,

00:19:51 ◼   ► as best as I could judge where the maximum effect was

00:19:55 ◼   ► and where the off position was,

00:19:57 ◼   ► but still no markings on the filter, which is really weird.

00:19:59 ◼   ► And both of those, both of the clear one

00:20:01 ◼   ► that I put on my expensive lens and the polarizer

00:20:03 ◼   ► that I put on my long lens, very expensive.

00:20:06 ◼   ► Very expensive for a circular thing.

00:20:09 ◼   ► And I guess, I mean I did a lot of research

00:20:12 ◼   ► and reviews of them, I guess there can be such a thing

00:20:15 ◼   ► as a bad one in terms of reflections

00:20:18 ◼   ► and how much light they let through

00:20:19 ◼   ► and just general sturdiness and reliability

00:20:22 ◼   ► and getting stuck on the lens and you know,

00:20:23 ◼   ► is there any-- - Yeah, well 'cause if you

00:20:24 ◼   ► think about it, like you're adding another layer of glass

00:20:27 ◼   ► and so there's a lot of different qualities

00:20:30 ◼   ► of optical glass and their coatings and their treatments

00:20:33 ◼   ► and whatever they're being held in by.

00:20:36 ◼   ► So it kind of makes sense when you think about it that way.

00:20:38 ◼   ► You're adding kind of like another lens in a way,

00:20:41 ◼   ► like another glass element.

00:20:44 ◼   ► And so there are lots of ways to make OK glass for OK prices.

00:20:49 ◼   ► But if you want really good glass

00:20:51 ◼   ► that your incredible camera sensor can see through it

00:20:54 ◼   ► with clarity and not have distortions or reflections

00:20:56 ◼   ► or whatever else, like, yeah, OK, that actually

00:20:58 ◼   ► could be a fairly high-end, precisely manufactured thing.

00:21:03 ◼   ► So was this by any chance just the B&W brand?

00:21:06 ◼   ► That's always what I bought.

00:21:07 ◼   ► - What did I get?

00:21:08 ◼   ► No, I think my polarizer was like Polartec or something,

00:21:11 ◼   ► and the Clear one, I forget the brand of the Clear one.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Like I was trying to price control on the Clear one.

00:21:17 ◼   ► - And was the Clear one technically a quote,

00:21:19 ◼   ► "UV and haze filter?"

00:21:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, they always say that they're UV filters

00:21:22 ◼   ► or whatever, and I can look up the brands,

00:21:25 ◼   ► and I'll put the links in the show notes,

00:21:27 ◼   ► but they were both over $100.

00:21:29 ◼   ► I think I brought lenses that were less expensive

00:21:31 ◼   ► than this polarizer.

00:21:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean for like a BMW UV haze,

00:21:35 ◼   ► that's usually like 80 bucks,

00:21:36 ◼   ► and I think the polarizer's usually like a 150

00:21:37 ◼   ► or something like that, in that range.

00:21:39 ◼   ► It depends how big they are.

00:21:40 ◼   ► - They're expensive.

00:21:42 ◼   ► And the other kind of filter people mentioned in the chat

00:21:44 ◼   ► is a neutral density filter, an ND filter,

00:21:47 ◼   ► that's basically just to cut down on the amount of light

00:21:49 ◼   ► that's going into your camera.

00:21:51 ◼   ► In fact, some cinema cameras have ND filters

00:21:54 ◼   ► like inside the body that you can swap between.

00:21:56 ◼   ► it's such a common thing.

00:21:58 ◼   ► The main reason I thought the polarizer would be useful,

00:21:59 ◼   ► as I said, if you're taking pictures of people

00:22:01 ◼   ► in the waves at the ocean on a sunny day,

00:22:03 ◼   ► there's lots of glare off the water in the ocean, right?

00:22:06 ◼   ► You know, especially like the tips of waves,

00:22:08 ◼   ► and you know, there are lots of curling water shapes

00:22:11 ◼   ► that are going to potentially reflect a lot of water

00:22:13 ◼   ► into the camera lens.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Now, those reflections, it's not like they're necessarily

00:22:19 ◼   ► bad, it really depends on what you're going for.

00:22:21 ◼   ► So if you look at a lot of the sort of tutorials

00:22:22 ◼   ► about polarizing filters, they show a lot of things

00:22:24 ◼   ► with like landscape photography, let's say.

00:22:25 ◼   ► Let's say you're taking a picture of this river

00:22:29 ◼   ► and the mountains in the background.

00:22:32 ◼   ► And all you're getting, all you can see in the river,

00:22:34 ◼   ► because it's very still, is just a reflection of the sky.

00:22:36 ◼   ► But if you put a polarizing filter,

00:22:37 ◼   ► now you can actually see the river

00:22:39 ◼   ► and the ripples in the water and the stones in it.

00:22:41 ◼   ► And that's kind of an artistic choice,

00:22:42 ◼   ► 'cause maybe I want the reflection of the sky.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Maybe, that's not something I want to cut out,

00:22:47 ◼   ► but if you're trying to, for example,

00:22:49 ◼   ► take a picture of the clear river

00:22:50 ◼   ► showing the stones under the water,

00:22:53 ◼   ► and all you can see is reflection,

00:22:54 ◼   ► you don't see a single stone,

00:22:55 ◼   ► that's where you want a polarizer

00:22:57 ◼   ► that's hopefully gonna knock down that reflection.

00:22:59 ◼   ► I think the idea is that like,

00:23:01 ◼   ► when sunlight reflects off of like a surface,

00:23:04 ◼   ► like a flat reflective surface of the water,

00:23:06 ◼   ► that aligns the light waves in such a way

00:23:09 ◼   ► that the polarizer can knock them out,

00:23:10 ◼   ► versus sunlight that is just scattering randomly

00:23:12 ◼   ► or coming from the sun,

00:23:13 ◼   ► the polarizer is not gonna cut that out, right?

00:23:15 ◼   ► So the upshot is I took all of my,

00:23:18 ◼   ► pretty much all of my beach pictures with the long lens

00:23:21 ◼   ► with the polarizer on it.

00:23:23 ◼   ► And it was serving multiple purposes.

00:23:24 ◼   ► It was also protecting my long lens,

00:23:26 ◼   ► which is also kind of expensive.

00:23:28 ◼   ► It was preventing water spray from getting up inside

00:23:31 ◼   ► and onto my lens, right?

00:23:32 ◼   ► And it was, in theory, cutting down glare and stuff.

00:23:36 ◼   ► I have to say, after the entire vacation of taking pictures,

00:23:39 ◼   ► it's hard for me to tell, to look at a picture and say,

00:23:42 ◼   ► "Oh, I can tell how the polarizer helped this picture

00:23:45 ◼   ► because if I hadn't had it, I would have seen X, Y, or Z."

00:23:47 ◼   ► 'Cause it's hard to see the reflections that aren't there

00:23:49 ◼   ► that would be, because there's plenty of other reflections.

00:23:52 ◼   ► It's not like it gets rid of them entirely.

00:23:53 ◼   ► For example, when I was looking at my shiny car,

00:23:56 ◼   ► there was still reflections on the car,

00:23:58 ◼   ► but by twisting the polarizer, I could see,

00:24:00 ◼   ► oh, it's knocking down these reflections.

00:24:02 ◼   ► And you'd see those highlights go away

00:24:04 ◼   ► and then they come back,

00:24:05 ◼   ► and those highlights go away and come back.

00:24:06 ◼   ► But there were other reflections in the car

00:24:08 ◼   ► that it didn't knock down.

00:24:09 ◼   ► It was just sort of like the big reflections

00:24:11 ◼   ► from the sun bouncing off it or whatever.

00:24:12 ◼   ► So the main reason I went through all this

00:24:15 ◼   ► is just to ask both of you

00:24:17 ◼   ► if you have ever used polarizers or lens protectors

00:24:20 ◼   ► or what you think about this entire concept.

00:24:24 ◼   ► Is it something that, I mean, the protection thing,

00:24:26 ◼   ► I don't think I need to pay any attention.

00:24:28 ◼   ► It's like, look, if you want to spend 100 bucks

00:24:29 ◼   ► to prevent something from damaging your umpteen thousand

00:24:31 ◼   ► dollar lens, then do it, and whatever cost you have to pay

00:24:34 ◼   ► in light that you're blocking, like whatever.

00:24:36 ◼   ► But the polarizer, I'm less sure about.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So it sounds like, Marco, you've had some experience

00:24:42 ◼   ► with this, do you actually use these things,

00:24:43 ◼   ► or do you have them but never actually put them

00:24:45 ◼   ► on your cameras?

00:24:46 ◼   ► - I used to use them, but a polarization filter,

00:24:49 ◼   ► It's like polarized sunglasses.

00:24:51 ◼   ► As you said, it can look really good.

00:24:53 ◼   ► It also comes with the cost of reduced light going in,

00:24:55 ◼   ► which means the other parts of image quality will suffer

00:24:58 ◼   ► as a result of less light.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Usually I'm not willing to make that trade-off.

00:25:02 ◼   ► The times that I would want it were few and far between,

00:25:06 ◼   ► whereas the times that I would not want it

00:25:09 ◼   ► were almost every other time,

00:25:11 ◼   ► and so I would just leave it off the lens,

00:25:12 ◼   ► and eventually we would just forget about it.

00:25:14 ◼   ► - I mean, I guess because I didn't dislike it,

00:25:16 ◼   ► and most of the time there is more than enough light

00:25:19 ◼   ► on a sunny day at the beach that is not, you know, it's not my problem that I don't have

00:25:22 ◼   ► enough light in that situation.

00:25:23 ◼   ► I'll probably stick to the polarizer.

00:25:24 ◼   ► I mean, it's still on my lens right now.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Same thing with the thing protecting my expensive lens, because now it's kind of like a security

00:25:30 ◼   ► blanket of like, you know, it might scratch it over because my favorite lens, my favorite,

00:25:34 ◼   ► my old favorite APS-C 50 millimeter prime, I do have a tiny scratch on that lens.

00:25:38 ◼   ► I have no idea how it got there, but it bothers me.

00:25:41 ◼   ► And I definitely can't see this filter made any bad effects on my, the clear one made

00:25:47 ◼   ► any bad effects on the pictures stuck with that camera. So I'm not sure what to do, but

00:25:50 ◼   ► I didn't know if you have any opinions on polarizers or filters.

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00:27:49 ◼   ► I have a couple of quick pieces of follow-up.

00:27:52 ◼   ► First of all, Johannes Zander wrote in with regard to the calibration of rock band instruments.

00:27:58 ◼   ► So if you're not familiar, rock band was either an offshoot or a clone of Guitar Hero, and

00:28:04 ◼   ► both of these games were super popular.

00:28:05 ◼   ► I want to say in the early aughts maybe.

00:28:08 ◼   ► - 2006, 2007.

00:28:09 ◼   ► - Okay, so mid-aughts.

00:28:13 ◼   ► So these were rhythm games where you played something

00:28:16 ◼   ► that vaguely looks like a guitar or something

00:28:20 ◼   ► that's kind of like a drum or a bass or what have you.

00:28:23 ◼   ► And there was a microphone and you would play along

00:28:26 ◼   ► with things that were falling,

00:28:28 ◼   ► like little symbols falling down the screen,

00:28:30 ◼   ► kind of sort of like Dance Dance Revolution.

00:28:33 ◼   ► And they were super fun, or at least I always thought

00:28:35 ◼   ► They were super duper fun.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - They were super fun. - It's rock band.

00:28:37 ◼   ► Okay, good, I'm glad I'm not--

00:28:38 ◼   ► - No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:28:39 ◼   ► Rock band was awesome, Guitar Hero was awesome,

00:28:42 ◼   ► and I miss these games, they were super fun.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - Same, yeah, they were super great party games.

00:28:46 ◼   ► - You get this big plastic band going,

00:28:48 ◼   ► and it takes up your entire closet

00:28:49 ◼   ► when you're not playing it.

00:28:50 ◼   ► - Yep, it was a lot of fun.

00:28:52 ◼   ► And the problem with this, though, is it's a rhythm game,

00:28:55 ◼   ► and it's based on you reacting.

00:28:56 ◼   ► Like, your ability to do well is based on you reacting

00:29:00 ◼   ► quickly to what's happening on screen,

00:29:01 ◼   ► and hitting, you know, quote, unquote, strumming,

00:29:04 ◼   ► which really means hitting a button or, you know,

00:29:06 ◼   ► hitting the drum at the right moment.

00:29:09 ◼   ► And that means you really need to have

00:29:11 ◼   ► everything calibrated correctly.

00:29:12 ◼   ► You need to have the instrument and the system

00:29:15 ◼   ► that it's attached to know when you should be hitting

00:29:19 ◼   ► the button to compare that against

00:29:21 ◼   ► when you did hit the button.

00:29:23 ◼   ► And I was reminded via this video

00:29:25 ◼   ► that we'll put in the show notes,

00:29:27 ◼   ► that the way that Rock Band got around this

00:29:29 ◼   ► was they had a little camera, or at least a light sensor,

00:29:32 ◼   ► I guess it wasn't really a full on camera,

00:29:34 ◼   ► a light sensor on the guitar,

00:29:37 ◼   ► and also a microphone on the guitar,

00:29:40 ◼   ► and there was two different kinds of calibration

00:29:41 ◼   ► you could do, one where it would play beeps repeatedly,

00:29:45 ◼   ► and it would measure how long it took

00:29:47 ◼   ► for that beep to reach the guitar,

00:29:48 ◼   ► and presumably get all the way back

00:29:50 ◼   ► to the PlayStation or Wii or what have you,

00:29:52 ◼   ► and then a different mode

00:29:53 ◼   ► where it would flash the screen white,

00:29:55 ◼   ► and it would detect how long it took

00:29:57 ◼   ► for the guitar to see the screen turn white.

00:29:59 ◼   ► And so it calibrated itself,

00:30:01 ◼   ► and I guess what I'm saying in a roundabout way

00:30:03 ◼   ► is John, if you would like to properly calibrate your TV,

00:30:07 ◼   ► you just need to bust out Rockband

00:30:08 ◼   ► and have it tell you the millisecond delay

00:30:11 ◼   ► for your television setup.

00:30:12 ◼   ► - I mean, that's the type of thing that I was looking for,

00:30:15 ◼   ► some way to do automatic calibration

00:30:16 ◼   ► with like an iPhone app or whatever,

00:30:18 ◼   ► but like I said last time,

00:30:20 ◼   ► in this type of tool chain of measuring delay,

00:30:25 ◼   ► when the possible effect of the instruments you're using

00:30:29 ◼   ► is a large percentage of the delay

00:30:33 ◼   ► that you're gonna be dialing in,

00:30:34 ◼   ► it can really mess things up.

00:30:35 ◼   ► So for example, last time we were talking about an iOS app

00:30:37 ◼   ► that said, oh, well the iPhone itself induces

00:30:39 ◼   ► X amount of delay, so you just have to kinda hard code that

00:30:41 ◼   ► by looking up this table of things that I measure

00:30:44 ◼   ► with some other equipment, right?

00:30:46 ◼   ► And that was a pretty big percentage

00:30:47 ◼   ► of the total adjustment, so if you get that wrong,

00:30:50 ◼   ► who knows what you could be doing, right?

00:30:51 ◼   ► So with the Rockband things, how much delay is introduced

00:30:54 ◼   ► by the game or the controller or the sensor?

00:30:57 ◼   ► Obviously, Rockband is calibrating itself to itself,

00:31:00 ◼   ► So it's probably fine because it knows what it's doing within its context, but if I calibrated

00:31:06 ◼   ► with a rock band thing, would that be correctly calibrated for watching video on Apple TV?

00:31:12 ◼   ► Especially if the TV is in game mode, which may have different latency values for the

00:31:17 ◼   ► television itself than the mode you watch movies in or whatever.

00:31:21 ◼   ► So really I just wish this was built into the television.

00:31:24 ◼   ► And if they have to use a phone app or whatever to do it, that would be great.

00:31:27 ◼   ► But the real way to do any of these things is with actual calibration equipment.

00:31:32 ◼   ► And when TV reviewers measure the input lag on televisions, they're using equipment kind

00:31:37 ◼   ► of like this, not Rockband, but similar like a light sensor and stuff like that.

00:31:40 ◼   ► And even in that scenario, there are lots of different choices TV reviewers can make

00:31:43 ◼   ► about what they're measuring and how they measure it and what number they're putting

00:31:48 ◼   ► out.

00:31:49 ◼   ► They just have to be internally consistent to let you know, "Hey, this TV has less lag

00:31:51 ◼   ► than this TV."

00:31:52 ◼   ► But the absolute values can be affected by how and what they choose to measure.

00:31:57 ◼   ► so it's trickier than you might think.

00:31:59 ◼   ► I'm just trying to get lip sync right.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Like I'm not, I don't need the,

00:32:03 ◼   ► I don't even game on this TV,

00:32:04 ◼   ► so I don't need the ultimate lowest possible lag,

00:32:06 ◼   ► and I was never any good at rock bands, so.

00:32:09 ◼   ► - It would be kind of funny if they actually did

00:32:11 ◼   ► use rock band for this purpose,

00:32:13 ◼   ► and there was like this black market,

00:32:15 ◼   ► like people like keeping Xbox 360s alive

00:32:17 ◼   ► with these old copies of rock band,

00:32:19 ◼   ► just for this purpose in this specialized industry

00:32:21 ◼   ► of calibration.

00:32:22 ◼   ► - That would be amazing.

00:32:23 ◼   ► - Real calibration equipment actually costs

00:32:25 ◼   ► even more than the very expensive plastic instruments

00:32:28 ◼   ► that they would sell for those games.

00:32:30 ◼   ► - It was expensive, but man was it fun.

00:32:32 ◼   ► - So fun.

00:32:33 ◼   ► - All right, it is the week before the new iPhone,

00:32:38 ◼   ► or at least that's what we are to assume.

00:32:40 ◼   ► As we discussed last week, we got press invites to watch it.

00:32:44 ◼   ► None of us, as of the time of this recording,

00:32:47 ◼   ► have been invited to watch it in person.

00:32:49 ◼   ► We were simply invited to watch the livestream.

00:32:51 ◼   ► But it is about that time,

00:32:53 ◼   ► and we need to do the genuinely excellent idea

00:32:57 ◼   ► Marco came up with a few years back,

00:32:59 ◼   ► which is the iPhone 13 and watch series seven exit interviews.

00:33:03 ◼   ► Now-- - Step inside, close the door.

00:33:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, right?

00:33:07 ◼   ► I love that you can actually say that

00:33:08 ◼   ► because you've probably never had an exit interview

00:33:10 ◼   ► in your life, have you?

00:33:10 ◼   ► - No. - But see, there you go.

00:33:12 ◼   ► But that was well done.

00:33:13 ◼   ► All right, I do not have a series seven in the house,

00:33:16 ◼   ► so I have literally nothing to say about it.

00:33:18 ◼   ► - I've never worked at a place where my boss had an office

00:33:21 ◼   ► with a door that closed.

00:33:23 ◼   ► - Ah, fair, fair.

00:33:24 ◼   ► I have on and off, but not always.

00:33:28 ◼   ► I do not have a Series 7 in the house,

00:33:29 ◼   ► so I have nothing to say about it.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Jon, does Tina have a Series 7?

00:33:33 ◼   ► I don't recall.

00:33:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm pretty sure she does.

00:33:35 ◼   ► I think she just got it because she was going for a five,

00:33:39 ◼   ► and it was like, I think we talked about this before,

00:33:41 ◼   ► but I haven't heard anything bad about it,

00:33:44 ◼   ► so I think that's a good sign.

00:33:45 ◼   ► She's a dedicated Apple watch user.

00:33:48 ◼   ► She wears it every single day.

00:33:49 ◼   ► She has many, many watch bands, and she likes it,

00:33:51 ◼   ► which is why she keeps getting new ones,

00:33:52 ◼   ► and the fact that I haven't heard anything about this one

00:33:54 ◼   ► means it's probably pretty much doing its job.

00:33:56 ◼   ► The only thing I can recall recently is that she still,

00:33:59 ◼   ► she still doesn't seem to have a lot of faith

00:34:01 ◼   ► in the cellular functionality.

00:34:04 ◼   ► In other words, she always says, she says,

00:34:06 ◼   ► I don't rely on it.

00:34:06 ◼   ► Like if it works and it's there, that's a great bonus,

00:34:09 ◼   ► but she always makes sure she has her phone.

00:34:11 ◼   ► I don't think that's the fault of the watch.

00:34:12 ◼   ► Although I do think it is.

00:34:14 ◼   ► There may be something to the idea that the transmit power

00:34:17 ◼   ► of the cell radio inside Apple watches

00:34:21 ◼   ► is less than that of a phone

00:34:23 ◼   ► just because the battery is so much smaller,

00:34:25 ◼   ► but I'm not sure if that's actually true.

00:34:27 ◼   ► All I know is that she does not believe in it.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Doesn't believe it is as reliable as her phone

00:34:33 ◼   ► when it comes to cell reception.

00:34:35 ◼   ► But she tends, like I said, she tends not to use it

00:34:37 ◼   ► like you have sometimes Casey where you say,

00:34:39 ◼   ► "I can leave my phone, I don't need it, I've got the watch.

00:34:41 ◼   ► "I can do everything I need."

00:34:42 ◼   ► That's not how she uses her watch.

00:34:44 ◼   ► - Well, and I haven't done that in years.

00:34:46 ◼   ► In fact, when I did my switch from AT&T to Verizon,

00:34:49 ◼   ► I decided to change my Apple Watch

00:34:53 ◼   ► from having cellular service.

00:34:54 ◼   ► Like obviously the hardware still is capable of it,

00:34:57 ◼   ► but what I ended up doing was deciding

00:34:58 ◼   ► I'd rather put that money toward my iPad

00:35:00 ◼   ► and give my iPad cellular service,

00:35:02 ◼   ► which I think I pretty vastly prefer.

00:35:06 ◼   ► Part of that is because I don't really run anymore.

00:35:08 ◼   ► Like I was a semi-avid runner

00:35:11 ◼   ► and I would leave my phone at home

00:35:13 ◼   ► and I would run with just my watch and my AirPods,

00:35:15 ◼   ► which is amazing and I love it,

00:35:18 ◼   ► but I just got away from running

00:35:19 ◼   ► and it seems silly to pay the $15 a month after taxes

00:35:22 ◼   ► or whatever it is for something that I used almost never.

00:35:25 ◼   ► And obviously everyone's mileage may vary,

00:35:28 ◼   ► but for me, I think that money is much better spent

00:35:31 ◼   ► on my iPad.

00:35:32 ◼   ► And so I do plan, 'cause I'm on a Series 6,

00:35:35 ◼   ► I do plan on Aaron and I getting new watches this year

00:35:38 ◼   ► and my current intention as I sit here now

00:35:40 ◼   ► is for the first time since I think the cellular watch

00:35:44 ◼   ► was a thing, my intention is to not get a cellular watch

00:35:48 ◼   ► this year and to just get a regular watch,

00:35:50 ◼   ► a non-cellular WiFi only, and WiFi and Bluetooth only one.

00:35:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think I've seen,

00:35:54 ◼   ► I know I've seen her look at her messages,

00:35:57 ◼   ► like text messages on her watch,

00:35:58 ◼   ► so she has been offloading more of her phone functionality,

00:36:02 ◼   ► and I'd say this is relevant to the Series 7

00:36:04 ◼   ► because the main feature it had over the 6

00:36:06 ◼   ► was the screen was a little bit bigger,

00:36:08 ◼   ► which, you know, oh, it's bigger by a tiny amount,

00:36:11 ◼   ► but when the screen space is so small to begin with,

00:36:13 ◼   ► every little bit helps, and so I've seen her

00:36:16 ◼   ► look at messages, and I know sometimes

00:36:18 ◼   ► when she's been out, when I send a message,

00:36:20 ◼   ► she gets it on her watch and she replies on her watch,

00:36:22 ◼   ► I think, I'm not sure if she's using

00:36:23 ◼   ► the graffiti scribble thing with her finger,

00:36:25 ◼   ► if she's using voice or whatever,

00:36:26 ◼   ► but I've seen her reply to things on her watch as well,

00:36:29 ◼   ► and I feel like that is slightly more likely to happen

00:36:32 ◼   ► with the slightly bigger screen on the Series 7.

00:36:34 ◼   ► So I would say the 7 was a boring year

00:36:37 ◼   ► where the watch just got a little bit better in a few ways,

00:36:40 ◼   ► but that's fine.

00:36:42 ◼   ► And again, with her upgrading from a 5, thumbs up.

00:36:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, when the 7 came out, it seemed like a very,

00:36:49 ◼   ► very small upgrade because the highlights basically were

00:36:53 ◼   ► it supported faster charging with its new special USB-C cable

00:36:56 ◼   ► that's different from the USB-C cable they've sold for years

00:36:59 ◼   ► that was like one foot long for travel.

00:37:01 ◼   ► So it's like if you happen to have this one special cable

00:37:03 ◼   ► that came with it, it could charge faster,

00:37:05 ◼   ► which is useful if you wear it overnight or something.

00:37:08 ◼   ► So there was that and the screen got a little bit bigger

00:37:11 ◼   ► and a little bit brighter.

00:37:13 ◼   ► But I came to appreciate it more

00:37:16 ◼   ► because I've kept my six around

00:37:17 ◼   ► for development testing and stuff,

00:37:19 ◼   ► and I've occasionally had to wear the six

00:37:21 ◼   ► for a whole day for some reason or another,

00:37:24 ◼   ► and I really do appreciate the seven's benefit.

00:37:28 ◼   ► When you go back, when you've been using a seven,

00:37:32 ◼   ► you go back to the six,

00:37:33 ◼   ► you realize how much of an upgrade it actually was.

00:37:35 ◼   ► It actually was pretty good.

00:37:37 ◼   ► It wasn't as big as some of the earlier years

00:37:39 ◼   ► where they changed more things.

00:37:41 ◼   ► It still has the same processor, I think,

00:37:42 ◼   ► for the second or third year in a row,

00:37:45 ◼   ► So it hasn't gotten faster recently,

00:37:47 ◼   ► but it's pretty much fast enough for now.

00:37:50 ◼   ► But the bigger and brighter screen, you really do notice.

00:37:54 ◼   ► And especially as Rama was saying,

00:37:56 ◼   ► you get a couple more words of text.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And I wear the small size, the 41 millimeter now,

00:38:02 ◼   ► having the smaller screen in the first place,

00:38:05 ◼   ► that little bit more really does help.

00:38:06 ◼   ► You really do get a little bit more space.

00:38:08 ◼   ► This was the first size watch that I wore

00:38:11 ◼   ► that was able to have the onscreen keyboard.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And I've only had to use it like two or three times

00:38:16 ◼   ► in the year I've been wearing this.

00:38:19 ◼   ► But I was glad it was there those two or three times.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Like one of them I had to type in my Apple ID password.

00:38:23 ◼   ► And I can't imagine having to do that like any other,

00:38:26 ◼   ► like with the scribble or whatever else,

00:38:27 ◼   ► like that would be terrible.

00:38:28 ◼   ► It was bad enough on the keyboard.

00:38:31 ◼   ► So anyway, I've actually really enjoyed the Series 7.

00:38:33 ◼   ► And this is the first year that I tried the titanium

00:38:38 ◼   ► as the metal.

00:38:39 ◼   ► I gotta say I'm totally converted.

00:38:41 ◼   ► I love the titanium.

00:38:43 ◼   ► It's really nice.

00:38:45 ◼   ► So I've been a silver steel person

00:38:49 ◼   ► for years and years and years.

00:38:51 ◼   ► And I still love the look of the silver steel.

00:38:54 ◼   ► But this year, I was tired of buying the same watch

00:38:57 ◼   ► every time, basically.

00:38:59 ◼   ► And so I was like, just for variety, let me try titanium.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Everyone says it's really nice.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Let me see it.

00:39:04 ◼   ► And I love how much lighter it is.

00:39:08 ◼   ► I love a light watch.

00:39:09 ◼   ► In the regular watch world,

00:39:12 ◼   ► I mean, most regular watches are lighter than the Apple Watch

00:39:14 ◼   ► because they don't have batteries,

00:39:16 ◼   ► giant lithium batteries taking up most of their volume.

00:39:19 ◼   ► But still, in the regular watch world,

00:39:21 ◼   ► they also have titanium watches there,

00:39:23 ◼   ► and the Apple Watch is not as light as them

00:39:25 ◼   ► because, again, the battery.

00:39:27 ◼   ► But I love a light watch.

00:39:29 ◼   ► It's so delightful feeling to have this light thing

00:39:32 ◼   ► on your wrist that you can barely even tell it's there.

00:39:34 ◼   ► - Did you get the space black titanium

00:39:36 ◼   ► or the regular titanium?

00:39:37 ◼   ► - No, I got the silver titanium,

00:39:39 ◼   ► which I think looks better, personally.

00:39:41 ◼   ► The Space Blast Titanium I think is so close

00:39:45 ◼   ► to the black or near black aluminum colors

00:39:49 ◼   ► that it's, I don't think that's really worth it

00:39:51 ◼   ► in my opinion, but that's up to other people.

00:39:54 ◼   ► I don't care what you buy.

00:39:56 ◼   ► Anyway, but yeah, it has a very different finish.

00:39:58 ◼   ► Like where the aluminum is kind of bead blast or whatever,

00:40:01 ◼   ► so it's this kind of diffuse, like staticky finish.

00:40:04 ◼   ► The titanium is brushed in one direction,

00:40:09 ◼   ► like long ways on the sides.

00:40:11 ◼   ► And it just, it looks really nice.

00:40:13 ◼   ► It has a wonderful way it plays with the light.

00:40:15 ◼   ► And it is like a little bit more subtle

00:40:18 ◼   ► and frankly looks a little bit more high end

00:40:21 ◼   ► than the polished stainless steel.

00:40:23 ◼   ► And that surprised me,

00:40:24 ◼   ► 'cause I love the stainless steel look,

00:40:26 ◼   ► but I love the titanium even more.

00:40:28 ◼   ► And that's why I was actually,

00:40:29 ◼   ► I'm actually kind of disappointed that

00:40:31 ◼   ► the rumors, which we'll get to in a little bit,

00:40:33 ◼   ► are kind of unclear as to whether there will be

00:40:35 ◼   ► a titanium small watch.

00:40:38 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:40:39 ◼   ► But well, I hope there is,

00:40:40 ◼   ► 'cause I've really come to enjoy it.

00:40:42 ◼   ► But anyway, I've been very happy with this watch,

00:40:45 ◼   ► and I keep using it more and more,

00:40:48 ◼   ► like as time is going on, I'm wearing mechanicals less,

00:40:52 ◼   ► and I'm wearing the Apple Watch more,

00:40:54 ◼   ► as the Apple Watch gets better.

00:40:56 ◼   ► And so I expect that trend to continue this coming year,

00:40:59 ◼   ► but the Series 7, honestly, I'm at the point where,

00:41:02 ◼   ► I say this during a lot of the exit interviews,

00:41:04 ◼   ► where I'm like, we're like,

00:41:06 ◼   ► I actually don't know what I would change about this.

00:41:09 ◼   ► And I'm sure Apple will show us next week

00:41:10 ◼   ► why I absolutely must have to have the new thing.

00:41:14 ◼   ► But right now, as it stands now,

00:41:16 ◼   ► I'm not sure what I would change

00:41:17 ◼   ► besides software things.

00:41:19 ◼   ► I would love to, I have tons of software tweets

00:41:22 ◼   ► I could suggest, but hardware-wise,

00:41:25 ◼   ► it's pretty nice already.

00:41:27 ◼   ► - Apple could easily make you buy this

00:41:29 ◼   ► by just making it a lot thinner.

00:41:30 ◼   ► I don't think they will 'cause they need the battery,

00:41:32 ◼   ► but that's the, 'cause Apple Watch,

00:41:35 ◼   ► unlike many of Apple's other products,

00:41:37 ◼   ► has not been on a trajectory of getting thinner.

00:41:39 ◼   ► In fact, I think the Series Zero is still the thinnest one

00:41:41 ◼   ► that they ever sold, maybe.

00:41:43 ◼   ► So if and when we get to a point where there's

00:41:47 ◼   ► some kind of technological advancement that

00:41:49 ◼   ► allows a significant decrease in thickness,

00:41:52 ◼   ► that is the obvious next step.

00:41:54 ◼   ► Because the Apple Watch is as thick as it is not based

00:41:56 ◼   ► on style, because plenty of watches

00:41:58 ◼   ► are big and chunky as a style choice.

00:42:00 ◼   ► It's as thin as it is, because that's

00:42:02 ◼   ► as thin as they can possibly make it while still having

00:42:05 ◼   ► good battery life and I don't think they want to sacrifice battery life to keep trying to make it

00:42:10 ◼   ► thinner. In fact, they've made it thicker over time. So I don't think they're going to make

00:42:15 ◼   ► the series eight really thinner, but that would do it. If they, if they had one that was like

00:42:19 ◼   ► half the thickness and styled to be thin like that, you would buy it immediately.

00:42:22 ◼   ► Well, maybe. So they, it got the thickest one, I believe is still the series three.

00:42:27 ◼   ► It went up in thickness up to three and then with four, they kind of cut it back down. And I, I

00:42:31 ◼   ► I think we're still below what the three was.

00:42:34 ◼   ► But regardless, the way it's styled

00:42:37 ◼   ► and the way it sets off the wrist

00:42:38 ◼   ► with the little sensor bump,

00:42:39 ◼   ► I think it actually is basically thin enough.

00:42:42 ◼   ► Right now it looks, I mean, I don't know

00:42:44 ◼   ► how the numbers in front of me,

00:42:44 ◼   ► but the body without the little puck on the bottom

00:42:47 ◼   ► looks to be somewhere in the 11 or 12 millimeter

00:42:50 ◼   ► thickness range, and for watches of this size,

00:42:52 ◼   ► that's very, very common.

00:42:54 ◼   ► It isn't an ultra-thin watch,

00:42:57 ◼   ► but this is not a thick watch.

00:42:58 ◼   ► When you compare it to other mechanicals

00:43:00 ◼   ► similar size classes, it's not a thick watch anymore. The series three was was too thick,

00:43:04 ◼   ► but the the modern ones are not in my opinion. And so I don't I don't think they really need

00:43:11 ◼   ► to go thinner. So I mean, overall, like again, like I think the series seven, I think it's a

00:43:16 ◼   ► very good watch. And I'm, you know, the only thing that I wish for, again, are software things or,

00:43:23 ◼   ► you know, more sensors, as Apple is rumored to add. And that's, you know, that might get me

00:43:28 ◼   ► because that's one of the reasons why I wear it so much

00:43:31 ◼   ► is health sensors.

00:43:33 ◼   ► I really appreciate that.

00:43:35 ◼   ► As I'm pretty solidly middle-aged now,

00:43:38 ◼   ► and I love, when I had COVID a few weeks back,

00:43:42 ◼   ► I loved that I had a history of my oxygen levels.

00:43:45 ◼   ► And so I could make sure that things were staying

00:43:49 ◼   ► within healthy ranges and not changing.

00:43:51 ◼   ► Thanks, Apple.

00:43:54 ◼   ► It even alerted me after I was locked in my house

00:43:58 ◼   ► for a few days, it alerted me that my step count

00:44:03 ◼   ► and calorie burns were down compared to usual.

00:44:06 ◼   ► And first of all, I was kind of like,

00:44:08 ◼   ► screw you, I have COVID, I can't leave my house.

00:44:12 ◼   ► But also, I was like, I'm actually glad that it noticed.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Like it gave me, the health app on my phone

00:44:18 ◼   ► gave me a notification saying like,

00:44:20 ◼   ► hey, we detected a change in your pattern.

00:44:22 ◼   ► And then it's a wonderful euphemism.

00:44:24 ◼   ► You go in and see what the change is

00:44:25 ◼   ► and it's like this huge drop off in my activity.

00:44:28 ◼   ► And I'm like, oh God, like, you know, thanks.

00:44:31 ◼   ► You know, I don't feel good about this,

00:44:33 ◼   ► but I at least know why.

00:44:34 ◼   ► And I'm glad that was there for me.

00:44:36 ◼   ► The day before I tested positive,

00:44:39 ◼   ► I didn't feel super great,

00:44:41 ◼   ► and I got the high heart rate alert for the very first time

00:44:43 ◼   ► that's like, hey, your heart rate's a bit high

00:44:45 ◼   ► considering you don't seem to be moving.

00:44:48 ◼   ► And you know, at the time I just kind of wrote it off as,

00:44:50 ◼   ► well, you know, maybe my watch is having a false alarm,

00:44:52 ◼   ► but I had never seen that happen.

00:44:55 ◼   ► I've never gotten that as a false alarm.

00:44:57 ◼   ► So I thought like something was probably not wrong with me

00:45:00 ◼   ► and it was just weird,

00:45:01 ◼   ► but I was feeling really tired that day.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Like, and then, and sure enough,

00:45:05 ◼   ► the next morning I test positive

00:45:06 ◼   ► and I actually had COVID that, you know,

00:45:07 ◼   ► for, you know, that was festering during that time.

00:45:09 ◼   ► So something was off.

00:45:11 ◼   ► So it actually did work.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And so, you know,

00:45:14 ◼   ► I really appreciate the Apple Watch health sensors.

00:45:16 ◼   ► And so if the rumors are true

00:45:17 ◼   ► that they're gonna add maybe a body temperature,

00:45:20 ◼   ► you know, sensor to detect fluctuations

00:45:22 ◼   ► in your body temperature or, you know, abnormalities,

00:45:24 ◼   ► Like, that's really good to know.

00:45:25 ◼   ► That's useful information.

00:45:27 ◼   ► Ideally, I would love, you know,

00:45:28 ◼   ► in the future, I know they've been working for a long time,

00:45:32 ◼   ► as many companies have, for a through the skin

00:45:35 ◼   ► blood glucose monitoring method.

00:45:37 ◼   ► That's obviously massive for diabetics,

00:45:39 ◼   ► but even for non-diabetics,

00:45:42 ◼   ► to be able to track your blood glucose throughout the day

00:45:43 ◼   ► would be incredible and would open up all sorts of new

00:45:46 ◼   ► avenues for health monitoring and management.

00:45:49 ◼   ► So if they ever get that, that would be a game changer.

00:45:52 ◼   ► But even if they stay with simpler stuff

00:45:54 ◼   ► like body temperature and blood oxygen,

00:45:56 ◼   ► I still get value out of that.

00:45:58 ◼   ► And so whatever they can do to add more sensors

00:46:01 ◼   ► and more health monitoring and more proactive alerts

00:46:03 ◼   ► of things being off, I am all for that,

00:46:06 ◼   ► especially as I inevitably get older.

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00:48:12 ◼   ► - All right, so let's talk iPhone 13 Pro.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Now, Jon, remind me, you are on the 12 Pro,

00:48:21 ◼   ► or you're on the 12 Pro this year, right?

00:48:23 ◼   ► - 12 Pro, and my wife has a 13 Pro.

00:48:26 ◼   ► - Okay, do you want to channel your inner Tina

00:48:28 ◼   ► and tell me what you/she thinks about the 13?

00:48:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, so, I mean, again, she hasn't really had

00:48:33 ◼   ► any complaints about her phone for the most part.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Her main complaint was the MagSafe battery pack

00:48:40 ◼   ► is not as good for her uses as the old thing

00:48:43 ◼   ► where you'd get a battery case from Apple

00:48:46 ◼   ► that would only work with your phone.

00:48:47 ◼   ► We talked about this back when this product came out.

00:48:50 ◼   ► The good thing about the battery pack is in theory you can reuse it on your next phone,

00:48:53 ◼   ► which has generally not been true of Apple's battery cases, but the bad thing is that it

00:48:57 ◼   ► is easy to knock off your phone, it's smaller, has lower capacity, and it's just generally

00:49:01 ◼   ► more annoying than just a very snug fitting battery case.

00:49:05 ◼   ► And how does she destroy her battery?

00:49:07 ◼   ► With Pokemon Go, which she plays a lot, and that game totally mauls the battery on the

00:49:12 ◼   ► phone.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I feel like there's special features that have been added to that game to destroy your

00:49:16 ◼   ► Is it doing Bitcoin mining? I don't know, but boy does that game destroy your battery.

00:49:21 ◼   ► So can I can I interrupt please? I have been playing just a teeny bit of Pokemon Go in the support of Declan

00:49:26 ◼   ► who has also been playing a teeny bit of Pokemon Go. Don't worry about it, long story.

00:49:30 ◼   ► But suffice it to say that game, the rumors of how bad it destroys your battery are complete BS.

00:49:37 ◼   ► It is so much worse than people say. Now granted, I did put the beta on not too long after I started playing Pokemon Go.

00:49:46 ◼   ► so maybe I'm misattributing my battery loss, but oh my gosh, it is a battery murderer.

00:49:54 ◼   ► It deserves like a capital punishment for battery murder.

00:49:58 ◼   ► It's ridiculous how bad that game utterly destroys your battery.

00:50:03 ◼   ► And it is no wonder that people probably like Tina have like two in three battery packs

00:50:07 ◼   ► or are carrying around like a laptop sized battery pack with a cable attached to it.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Oh my word, is it bad.

00:50:14 ◼   ► What is it doing back there?

00:50:16 ◼   ► - Well, think about it.

00:50:17 ◼   ► It's using GPS and the camera,

00:50:20 ◼   ► and you're watching the screen the whole time,

00:50:22 ◼   ► and it's doing AR projection, and yeah, and a 3D.

00:50:25 ◼   ► It's basically spending as much computing power

00:50:27 ◼   ► using as many of the device's high power methods as possible.

00:50:32 ◼   ► - It's bananas.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Like, I cannot believe it.

00:50:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is why my wife's purse weighs so much,

00:50:37 ◼   ► 'cause it's filled with, well,

00:50:38 ◼   ► it's filled with like 4R phones,

00:50:40 ◼   ► because she pays them multiple accounts,

00:50:42 ◼   ► 'cause it's like the people who play multiple slot machines

00:50:44 ◼   ► at once in Vegas, right?

00:50:45 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Anyway.

00:50:46 ◼   ► And also, all of the power pack, battery pack,

00:50:50 ◼   ► lithium ion batteries that she's got in there,

00:50:52 ◼   ► on top of, like she used to have her main phone

00:50:54 ◼   ► inside a battery case, now she has the little MagSafe,

00:50:56 ◼   ► and she has the MagSafe thing in her car,

00:50:58 ◼   ► so when it's on the MagSafe car mount in her car,

00:51:01 ◼   ► it's also charging, but she also has wired connectors

00:51:03 ◼   ► in her car, just, this is a constant battery.

00:51:05 ◼   ► But anyway, so that was her only real complaint

00:51:07 ◼   ► about the 13 was the little, the smaller battery thing

00:51:11 ◼   ► that comes off real easy is not as good as a battery case.

00:51:14 ◼   ► But otherwise, she's been mostly fine with it.

00:51:16 ◼   ► I don't use her phone, but I occasionally do pick it up

00:51:19 ◼   ► to do something with it or take a picture.

00:51:21 ◼   ► 'Cause if both of our phones are around,

00:51:24 ◼   ► I usually wanna take a picture with her thing

00:51:25 ◼   ► 'cause her camera's better than mine.

00:51:27 ◼   ► 'Cause I got the 12 Pro,

00:51:28 ◼   ► so I use her phone to take pictures or whatever.

00:51:31 ◼   ► And obviously I haven't been using it

00:51:33 ◼   ► for the year that she's had it,

00:51:34 ◼   ► but I have picked it up a lot of times

00:51:36 ◼   ► and I've never gotten used to the giant camera bump

00:51:39 ◼   ► and the case that highlights the giant camera bump.

00:51:42 ◼   ► I've never gotten used to the way her phone sits on the table

00:51:45 ◼   ► because it is elevated from the,

00:51:46 ◼   ► she's got an Apple leather case, I believe on it.

00:51:49 ◼   ► It doesn't sit on the table evenly.

00:51:50 ◼   ► And when I pick it up and use it,

00:51:52 ◼   ► my finger hits the little, you know,

00:51:54 ◼   ► the wall that's around the camera bump.

00:51:56 ◼   ► And so that's my main complaint about 13 Pro.

00:51:58 ◼   ► I feel like the camera has crossed a line

00:52:01 ◼   ► where it is bothersome to me,

00:52:02 ◼   ► which does not bode well for the 14 Pro,

00:52:04 ◼   ► which I'm supposedly getting this year,

00:52:06 ◼   ► which as we'll talk about in a little bit,

00:52:07 ◼   ► is supposed to have an even bigger camera bump,

00:52:10 ◼   ► but I guess that's just the price

00:52:11 ◼   ► of whatever cool camera it's gonna have.

00:52:13 ◼   ► So as far as I'm concerned,

00:52:14 ◼   ► 13 Pro has been perfectly satisfactory

00:52:17 ◼   ► other than the battery case issue,

00:52:19 ◼   ► which is not a thing for me, but it's a thing for my wife,

00:52:21 ◼   ► and the camera being a little bit too big.

00:52:24 ◼   ► - What about ProMotion, the fast refresh rate?

00:52:26 ◼   ► Do you notice it?

00:52:27 ◼   ► - Oh, I have a problem with ProMotion, right?

00:52:29 ◼   ► So we talked about it as when the 13 Pro came out,

00:52:31 ◼   ► I'm like, "I don't care about using my wife's phone.

00:52:33 ◼   ► "I don't care."

00:52:34 ◼   ► And I think I have ProMotion on my,

00:52:37 ◼   ► I have the latest iPad Pro, I believe,

00:52:39 ◼   ► You got the M1 iPad Pro, that's the latest one, right?

00:52:41 ◼   ► - Yes, I believe that's right.

00:52:43 ◼   ► - And that has ProMotion, right, the M1 iPad Pro?

00:52:45 ◼   ► - Yes, every iPad Pro except for the 9.7

00:52:49 ◼   ► and like the very first generation 9.7 and 12.9 didn't have

00:52:52 ◼   ► it, but starting from the 10.5, all the other ones did.

00:52:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, so anyway, I've had that M1 iPad Pro

00:52:57 ◼   ► since it was introduced and I use it pretty much

00:53:00 ◼   ► every single day and I was like,

00:53:01 ◼   ► "Ah, you know, ProMotion is not a big deal for me."

00:53:04 ◼   ► But in the past month or so, every time I pick up

00:53:07 ◼   ► my wife's iPhone 13 Pro, I see the ProMotion.

00:53:12 ◼   ► I don't know why I wasn't seeing it or noticing it before.

00:53:14 ◼   ► I mean, I can notice it every day, look for it,

00:53:15 ◼   ► but I've been unbidden, it has leapt to my mind.

00:53:18 ◼   ► I was like, whoa, that's so much smoother than my phone.

00:53:20 ◼   ► And it's bothersome.

00:53:21 ◼   ► I mean, so I guess I'm getting to the point

00:53:24 ◼   ► where phones without ProMotion seem a little bit

00:53:28 ◼   ► stuttery to me, and I don't want that.

00:53:31 ◼   ► Like I liked it better when I didn't care

00:53:33 ◼   ► about the difference, but now I feel like with the phone,

00:53:36 ◼   ► I kind of do, and every time I use our phone,

00:53:38 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, this makes my phone feel bad.

00:53:41 ◼   ► So I am, one of the things I'm looking forward to

00:53:44 ◼   ► on the 14 Pro is I will finally have a phone

00:53:46 ◼   ► with ProMotion, I endorse it.

00:53:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a big deal.

00:53:50 ◼   ► Like, I have loved ProMotion, and it's one of those things

00:53:54 ◼   ► that I didn't think I was noticing after the first few days

00:53:58 ◼   ► until, I mentioned earlier this summer,

00:54:00 ◼   ► I did an experiment where I tried to use the Mini

00:54:02 ◼   ► for a few days, and I really noticed its absence.

00:54:05 ◼   ► in a way that I don't notice it on the Mac.

00:54:07 ◼   ► Like when I use a MacBook Pro with its built in screen,

00:54:10 ◼   ► the modern MacBook Pros have promotion.

00:54:12 ◼   ► When I use that, I don't really notice it there.

00:54:15 ◼   ► And then when I go back to my big Pro Display XDR

00:54:18 ◼   ► that doesn't support it, I don't notice the absence of it.

00:54:21 ◼   ► But on iPads and iPhones, I do instantly notice

00:54:25 ◼   ► its presence and later its absence.

00:54:27 ◼   ► And so it's been wonderful.

00:54:29 ◼   ► I've loved promotion.

00:54:31 ◼   ► I also, I love the cameras on this thing too.

00:54:33 ◼   ► like now that I guess I'm stealing a turn here.

00:54:35 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:54:36 ◼   ► I love the cameras on the 13 Pro.

00:54:40 ◼   ► The 3X, I'm not super crazy about the 3X lens.

00:54:45 ◼   ► The 1X and the wide, but especially the 1X

00:54:49 ◼   ► have just been fantastic.

00:54:51 ◼   ► I have enjoyed occasionally using the macro on the wide,

00:54:55 ◼   ► just for a little pragmatic reasons here and there,

00:54:58 ◼   ► like scanning, taking a picture of a tag

00:55:01 ◼   ► on the back of a router or something like that.

00:55:03 ◼   ► That's been wonderful, little day-to-day life things.

00:55:06 ◼   ► Again, when I went to the Mini that didn't support that,

00:55:11 ◼   ► I missed the macro mode.

00:55:12 ◼   ► I realized, oh, I actually used that.

00:55:15 ◼   ► The 3X lens I wish was both a better camera

00:55:21 ◼   ► and was not as zoomed in,

00:55:25 ◼   ► because where we have it now is you have nothing

00:55:29 ◼   ► between 1X and 3X hardware-wise.

00:55:33 ◼   ► And oftentimes, what I want is between those.

00:55:36 ◼   ► And so what has to happen then is it just crops

00:55:39 ◼   ► the image off the 1X, and that's fine, the 1X is great,

00:55:42 ◼   ► but that's not an amazing solution.

00:55:45 ◼   ► And the 3X camera, just like the 2.5 and 2X cameras

00:55:50 ◼   ► that came before it in previous models,

00:55:52 ◼   ► the 3X camera is not very good.

00:55:54 ◼   ► Optically, it's just not nearly as good as the 1X camera,

00:55:58 ◼   ► and you do notice and so I find myself

00:56:01 ◼   ► not using it that much.

00:56:03 ◼   ► As a combination of it not really being

00:56:06 ◼   ► the distance I often need and it being optically worse.

00:56:09 ◼   ► So I look forward to any improvements

00:56:11 ◼   ► they can make in those areas.

00:56:12 ◼   ► Whether they can cover a wider range in hardware

00:56:15 ◼   ► in some way and or whether they can improve

00:56:19 ◼   ► the optics of the telephoto camera.

00:56:21 ◼   ► But otherwise, 13 Pro feature wise,

00:56:25 ◼   ► you know, between the ProMotion and the macro camera

00:56:29 ◼   ► and the overall camera system,

00:56:31 ◼   ► it's been really, really great.

00:56:33 ◼   ► One thing I still wish for is this is very heavy.

00:56:38 ◼   ► I wish it was lighter.

00:56:40 ◼   ► It's a very dense phone in the pocket.

00:56:43 ◼   ► It's big and it's heavy.

00:56:45 ◼   ► And this is apparently going to be the smallest phone

00:56:48 ◼   ► they're gonna make starting next week.

00:56:51 ◼   ► That I hope, and I know the rumors are not backing me up

00:56:55 ◼   ► here at all with anything useful here,

00:56:56 ◼   ► but I hope that future iPhones that are of this slot

00:57:01 ◼   ► in the lineup, meaning the smallest phone

00:57:04 ◼   ► with all the pro features, I hope they find a way

00:57:07 ◼   ► to make them lighter, whether it's changing out

00:57:10 ◼   ► the stainless steel band or whatever, or other changes,

00:57:14 ◼   ► who knows what they could do with materials, whatever,

00:57:16 ◼   ► but it's a very heavy phone, so that being said,

00:57:20 ◼   ► one of the biggest contributions to weight is the battery,

00:57:23 ◼   ► And the battery life's been great.

00:57:25 ◼   ► I've been very pleased with the battery life.

00:57:27 ◼   ► You know, even during this beta season

00:57:29 ◼   ► where beta battery life has been pretty rough,

00:57:31 ◼   ► I had a lot to start with and that has helped a lot.

00:57:34 ◼   ► So I'm very happy with the performance, the battery,

00:57:38 ◼   ► you know, the screen, the cameras, all that stuff is great.

00:57:41 ◼   ► I just wish it was lighter.

00:57:44 ◼   ► And maybe, I might go a little smaller on the body too,

00:57:47 ◼   ► but hey, you know, it's a big screen,

00:57:48 ◼   ► it's beautiful, whatever.

00:57:49 ◼   ► So just lighter is my number one request for future phones.

00:57:52 ◼   ► But overall, this has been a great phone.

00:57:55 ◼   ► I don't leave it in haste.

00:57:58 ◼   ► This is a wonderful phone,

00:57:59 ◼   ► and if I had to keep using it forever,

00:58:01 ◼   ► and nothing else ever came out that was better than it,

00:58:03 ◼   ► I'd be fine.

00:58:04 ◼   ► But fortunately, that's not how things work,

00:58:06 ◼   ► so we're gonna have amazing things next week.

00:58:08 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:58:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, for me, the 120 hertz,

00:58:12 ◼   ► I noticed it a lot early on,

00:58:14 ◼   ► and now I do feel like I notice it,

00:58:17 ◼   ► but it doesn't, I think I misattribute what's happening.

00:58:21 ◼   ► So when I use an older phone,

00:58:24 ◼   ► I feel like I'm misattributing it

00:58:28 ◼   ► to the slowness of the phone

00:58:29 ◼   ► rather than the slowness of the screen.

00:58:31 ◼   ► Like, I just assume, "Oh, well, this phone is older,

00:58:33 ◼   ► so it's a little choppier and slower."

00:58:34 ◼   ► But it's not that.

00:58:36 ◼   ► It's that it's actually the screen is half as fast.

00:58:39 ◼   ► But I forget that that's a thing,

00:58:41 ◼   ► and so I think I often misattribute it in that sense,

00:58:44 ◼   ► especially since iOS is usually very, very good

00:58:47 ◼   ► about keeping pretty good performance,

00:58:49 ◼   ► even several models into the past. For me, all in all, I love the 13 Pro. I think it's

00:58:56 ◼   ► a phenomenal phone. This is the first phone in two years, I guess it was three phones

00:59:02 ◼   ► ago that I have not yet shattered, so that's good. Related, it's the first phone I've put

00:59:07 ◼   ► a case on in three years. So I'll let you decide if those are related events, I think

00:59:12 ◼   ► they might be. But with regard to cases, I was a huge fan of the Apple leather case,

00:59:18 ◼   ► the black Apple leather case, and at least at launch time,

00:59:21 ◼   ► I don't know if that's still the case,

00:59:23 ◼   ► there was no black Apple leather case.

00:59:26 ◼   ► And that is a super bummer.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Speaking like we were earlier, what Marco was saying about,

00:59:32 ◼   ► oh, I'll just throw in AppleCare,

00:59:33 ◼   ► oh, I'll just throw in this like $80 Apple case,

00:59:36 ◼   ► I would just add that in, not even think twice about it.

00:59:40 ◼   ► And now there are at least,

00:59:42 ◼   ► again, at the time of launch a year ago,

00:59:44 ◼   ► there was no black Apple leather case,

00:59:46 ◼   ► and I'm still a little grumpy about it,

00:59:47 ◼   ► especially 'cause this Nudiant case,

00:59:49 ◼   ► which the name is kind of bad to begin with,

00:59:50 ◼   ► it is not in good shape now.

00:59:53 ◼   ► Like it is not stood the test of time terribly well.

00:59:57 ◼   ► So I don't know if there isn't a black Apple leather case

00:59:59 ◼   ► next year or in a month, in a week even,

01:00:02 ◼   ► I'm not sure what I'm gonna do.

01:00:04 ◼   ► - Put in another plug for my, like, what was it,

01:00:06 ◼   ► like a $30 cheapo, what, Olixar iPhone 12 Pro

01:00:11 ◼   ► black leather case with an open bottom

01:00:14 ◼   ► that I bought when the 12 Pro was new.

01:00:16 ◼   ► I mean, it looks like it's been used,

01:00:19 ◼   ► but it's held up amazingly well, amazingly well.

01:00:21 ◼   ► For it, like, it's like less than half the price

01:00:23 ◼   ► of the Apple leather thing.

01:00:25 ◼   ► Open bottom, which is what I wanted, black leather case.

01:00:27 ◼   ► Good job, Olexar.

01:00:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm gonna have to look into that for this next one

01:00:31 ◼   ► if Apple doesn't have a first party thing,

01:00:33 ◼   ► and maybe I'll just look into that regardless.

01:00:36 ◼   ► The thing that is really a bugbear,

01:00:38 ◼   ► and I'm grumpy about this

01:00:40 ◼   ► because I spent a lot of time outside this year,

01:00:42 ◼   ► Does San Francisco not have any weather?

01:00:46 ◼   ► I thought it had at least some amount of weather,

01:00:48 ◼   ► and I thought it at least occasionally,

01:00:51 ◼   ► I thought every once in a while Carl the fog went away

01:00:54 ◼   ► and there was this magical thing called sunlight

01:00:56 ◼   ► in San Francisco.

01:00:57 ◼   ► That does exist in San Francisco, does it not?

01:00:59 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure it does.

01:01:01 ◼   ► Because oh my gosh, can we please have a phone

01:01:05 ◼   ► that can be in sunlight for more than 45 seconds

01:01:09 ◼   ► before the screen dims?

01:01:09 ◼   ► Like it is, I'm being a little hyperbolic here,

01:01:12 ◼   ► But oh my gosh, I spent a lot of time

01:01:14 ◼   ► at the little community pool that we joined this year.

01:01:16 ◼   ► And my word, if you have this thing in the sun,

01:01:20 ◼   ► particularly if you're on cellular,

01:01:22 ◼   ► for more than a few seconds,

01:01:23 ◼   ► it thermal regulates that screen right down to nothingness.

01:01:26 ◼   ► And it is so frustrating and so hard to see.

01:01:29 ◼   ► My number one wish, I'm not even kidding,

01:01:33 ◼   ► my number one wish for the iPhone 14

01:01:36 ◼   ► is to do better in full sunlight.

01:01:38 ◼   ► I know I probably sound utterly bananas.

01:01:41 ◼   ► I totally accept that, but this is a legitimate thing that I swear to you is worse than this

01:01:46 ◼   ► phone than any of the phones that have come before it.

01:01:49 ◼   ► And it's bad on my iPad too.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Maybe that's because of age, maybe it's because of software, I don't know.

01:01:54 ◼   ► But do not like.

01:01:56 ◼   ► Anyway, that being said, I do like the fast screen.

01:01:59 ◼   ► Again, I don't want to belabor the ultra wideband park bench/picnic table, but that is pretty

01:02:05 ◼   ► freaking cool.

01:02:06 ◼   ► And I don't know if that was new with the 13 or new with the 12.

01:02:07 ◼   ► I tried to look this up earlier and couldn't figure it out.

01:02:10 ◼   ► but having a phone that's three times faster,

01:02:12 ◼   ► that's internet connection can occasionally

01:02:14 ◼   ► be three times faster than my home

01:02:15 ◼   ► gigabit internet connection, that's pretty cool.

01:02:18 ◼   ► I was trying to look up what else was new with this phone.

01:02:21 ◼   ► Tell me gentlemen, how many times

01:02:22 ◼   ► have you used cinematic mode?

01:02:24 ◼   ► - None.

01:02:25 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:02:25 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:02:26 ◼   ► - Same here.

01:02:27 ◼   ► - I don't even use portrait mode.

01:02:29 ◼   ► That's a bad example for me because whatever

01:02:32 ◼   ► their trick photo mode of the year is,

01:02:36 ◼   ► I probably don't use it.

01:02:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I actually do use portrait mode from time to time,

01:02:40 ◼   ► I think it's gotten to the point that it's acceptable now.

01:02:42 ◼   ► I wouldn't say it's good,

01:02:44 ◼   ► but I'd say it's at least acceptable.

01:02:46 ◼   ► But I think I used cinematic mode like once or twice

01:02:48 ◼   ► when it first was a thing,

01:02:50 ◼   ► and I haven't touched it since.

01:02:51 ◼   ► In fact, I don't even know if it's on.

01:02:52 ◼   ► I don't know how to turn it on.

01:02:54 ◼   ► I know nothing about it.

01:02:54 ◼   ► I've already forgotten everything.

01:02:55 ◼   ► - I've decided that I'm not actually a filmmaker.

01:02:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

01:03:00 ◼   ► - I'm very happy admitting to myself

01:03:02 ◼   ► that that's just not me.

01:03:04 ◼   ► - Yep, yep.

01:03:05 ◼   ► - I do wonder who that feature is for

01:03:06 ◼   ► because people who are actual filmmakers

01:03:08 ◼   ► don't want it in the same way that people who are interested in photography don't want

01:03:12 ◼   ► portrait mode.

01:03:14 ◼   ► And then people who are casual, it's too complicated to think about what they showed people doing

01:03:18 ◼   ► in the demo videos of what I'm doing.

01:03:20 ◼   ► It's hard enough to hold your phone and try to keep your family in the frame as they're

01:03:23 ◼   ► moving around.

01:03:24 ◼   ► Can you imagine also, I know you can do this after the fact, but selecting who's going

01:03:28 ◼   ► to be in focus or whatever, people don't want to hold up their phone and record and be done

01:03:33 ◼   ► with it.

01:03:34 ◼   ► They don't want to spend any amount of time deciding who the phone focuses on and who

01:03:37 ◼   ► gets the fake blur.

01:03:39 ◼   ► - Yep, but all in all, as much as I whined a couple times

01:03:43 ◼   ► in the last few minutes, all in all,

01:03:46 ◼   ► I really love this phone.

01:03:47 ◼   ► I love the flat sides.

01:03:50 ◼   ► I wish I had the, or I wish I wasn't so much of a klutz

01:03:54 ◼   ► and that I could use it without a case,

01:03:55 ◼   ► 'cause it does feel nice without a case.

01:03:57 ◼   ► It's a little slippier, more slippy than I wish,

01:03:59 ◼   ► but still it does feel nice.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I popped the case off a minute ago just to look.

01:04:02 ◼   ► I love this midnight blue,

01:04:04 ◼   ► or whatever this is called, Pacific blue.

01:04:06 ◼   ► You know, it would be neat to have a pro phone

01:04:08 ◼   ► with kind of vibrant colors.

01:04:10 ◼   ► Like, I would be so here for that.

01:04:11 ◼   ► Well, that's not even true.

01:04:12 ◼   ► I'd probably end up buying black

01:04:13 ◼   ► 'cause I'm an idiot and I'm a loser,

01:04:14 ◼   ► but I would be here for the idea of it.

01:04:17 ◼   ► - No, you're just a nerd, Casey.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Nerds default to black, it's fine.

01:04:21 ◼   ► I've been there myself many times.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Like, I know how it works, but no, I'm with you.

01:04:25 ◼   ► The colors, oh god, just please

01:04:27 ◼   ► more personality in the colors.

01:04:29 ◼   ► - Please, that's a very good way to put it.

01:04:31 ◼   ► Please more personality in the colors.

01:04:33 ◼   ► That would be excellent.

01:04:34 ◼   ► But all in all, a really good phone.

01:04:36 ◼   ► I really think that if they did basically a little bit better

01:04:41 ◼   ► camera and, God help me, a little bit better

01:04:44 ◼   ► thermal regulation such that the screen wasn't dimming

01:04:47 ◼   ► constantly in sunlight, if they did those two things,

01:04:49 ◼   ► it would be an insta-buy for me.

01:04:51 ◼   ► And I'm sure whatever they say next week,

01:04:55 ◼   ► I'm not going to kid myself.

01:04:56 ◼   ► I'm going to get it.

01:04:57 ◼   ► It's just what I do now.

01:04:58 ◼   ► But I am really hopeful that they

01:05:02 ◼   ► improve the camera a little bit, not to say it's lacking,

01:05:04 ◼   ► but I hope they improve the camera,

01:05:06 ◼   ► I hope they do a little bit better with these thermals.

01:05:08 ◼   ► I don't feel like the phone is slow at this point,

01:05:11 ◼   ► like there's almost nothing I can think of

01:05:13 ◼   ► that I feel like I'm running out of horsepower

01:05:17 ◼   ► or RAM for that matter, so really just more of the same,

01:05:21 ◼   ► just give me more of it,

01:05:22 ◼   ► and I'll take that please and thank you.

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01:07:28 ◼   ► - That's potentially some good news for you.

01:07:30 ◼   ► Now we can move on to the rumors for the announcement

01:07:33 ◼   ► and spoil everything for next week's show.

01:07:35 ◼   ► - Yes, please.

01:07:36 ◼   ► - So iPhone 14, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max,

01:07:41 ◼   ► we talked about this before,

01:07:42 ◼   ► the big change in the rumors this year is that

01:07:44 ◼   ► you will be able to get a big phone that's not a Pro.

01:07:46 ◼   ► So the 14 will come in big and small sizes

01:07:49 ◼   ► and the 14 Pro will come in big and small sizes.

01:07:51 ◼   ► There's no more mini.

01:07:52 ◼   ► That's this, I'm starting with the information

01:07:55 ◼   ► we pretty much know for sure.

01:07:58 ◼   ► I think that is, everyone agrees on that.

01:08:00 ◼   ► The pros having the A16 and the non-pros not having the A16

01:08:05 ◼   ► is another thing that has been heavily rumored

01:08:07 ◼   ► and seems pretty sure this year.

01:08:09 ◼   ► That's gonna be a bummer because the years when

01:08:12 ◼   ► both the pro and non-pro had the same system on a chip

01:08:14 ◼   ► were great, but it doesn't look like that's happening

01:08:17 ◼   ► for a variety of reasons.

01:08:18 ◼   ► Maybe it's cost, maybe it's yields on the new, you know,

01:08:21 ◼   ► five nanometer, extra good five nanometer process,

01:08:24 ◼   ► I always forget what it's called, 5NP or something,

01:08:26 ◼   ► whatever the hell TSMC calls it.

01:08:29 ◼   ► - Call it 5Pro Max.

01:08:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, although does the 815 use that process as well?

01:08:33 ◼   ► I don't even remember.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Anyway, A16 only on the Pros,

01:08:36 ◼   ► probably won't make a difference to you.

01:08:38 ◼   ► The other thing you mentioned RAM,

01:08:39 ◼   ► I think both the Pro and non-Pro are getting six gigs of RAM

01:08:42 ◼   ► and I think the non-Pro only had four last year,

01:08:44 ◼   ► is that true?

01:08:45 ◼   ► - Something like that.

01:08:46 ◼   ► - These are not things that most people notice, right?

01:08:47 ◼   ► So what does the Pro have to differentiate?

01:08:50 ◼   ► Well, the first thing is that it doesn't have a notch,

01:08:53 ◼   ► It has a different thing in its screen for where the face ID and front facing camera

01:08:59 ◼   ► stuff goes.

01:09:00 ◼   ► If you see the pictures of the screen pieces, it looks kind of like a sideways lowercase

01:09:04 ◼   ► eye.

01:09:05 ◼   ► It's like a lozenge and then a circular dot for the camera.

01:09:08 ◼   ► But the latest round of sort of late breaking rumors that we'll put some links to is that

01:09:12 ◼   ► sideways eye will have the gap between the stem on the eye and the dot on the eye.

01:09:20 ◼   ► Those screen pixels, although they exist, will be turned off.

01:09:22 ◼   ► So instead of looking like a sideways lowercase letter i, it will instead look like a sideways

01:09:27 ◼   ► lozenge that is disconnected from the top of the screen.

01:09:31 ◼   ► Now in total area, that whether it's a lozenge or a sideways lowercase letter i, that is

01:09:38 ◼   ► less total screen area that is removed.

01:09:41 ◼   ► You will have more pixels on the screen than you did even with the new smaller notch, right?

01:09:46 ◼   ► But in terms of how much those things intrude on the space available for lines of text or

01:09:53 ◼   ► lists or whatever, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement and it may actually be worse.

01:09:59 ◼   ► Because if you look at the pictures, it's almost as if they took the notch, made it

01:10:03 ◼   ► narrower but then disconnected it from the top of the phone.

01:10:06 ◼   ► So now screen pixels can flow above it, but that doesn't help you when you're scrolling

01:10:10 ◼   ► a list because you kind of got to stop the list scrolling before you hit the lozenge

01:10:14 ◼   ► or the notch or whatever.

01:10:16 ◼   ► And maybe you will scroll past it

01:10:18 ◼   ► and you'll see like a half line of text above it

01:10:19 ◼   ► or something, but I don't know.

01:10:21 ◼   ► I'm not convinced about this.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Now I understand what they're doing.

01:10:23 ◼   ► Like as we've said, since the notch was introduced,

01:10:26 ◼   ► it's not like Apple loves the notch.

01:10:28 ◼   ► The notch is a necessary evil

01:10:30 ◼   ► and to the extent that Apple can get rid of it, they will.

01:10:32 ◼   ► And so over time, Apple has continued to shrink the notch

01:10:34 ◼   ► in terms of the total area of the screen

01:10:36 ◼   ► that is notched out.

01:10:38 ◼   ► That continues with the pro models.

01:10:41 ◼   ► They have fewer pixels that don't exist

01:10:44 ◼   ► because of the Face ID and the front-facing camera.

01:10:46 ◼   ► And so they continue to march towards

01:10:48 ◼   ► not having, having all the pixels.

01:10:51 ◼   ► We're not there yet, we won't be there next year,

01:10:53 ◼   ► but eventually I feel like that's where Apple wants to go.

01:10:56 ◼   ► So this is a step in that direction.

01:10:58 ◼   ► I'm not entirely sure this step brings anything

01:11:00 ◼   ► to the customer, other than having

01:11:02 ◼   ► an easy visual differentiator to let people know

01:11:04 ◼   ► that you have the profile, which is itself a feature

01:11:07 ◼   ► that Apple probably cares about,

01:11:08 ◼   ► and some users care about as well.

01:11:11 ◼   ► - Well, I will say the late-breaking rumor

01:11:13 ◼   ► that they might put the dots in the little eye gap to show.

01:11:18 ◼   ► That is actually really nice

01:11:21 ◼   ► and that's a neat little feature that's very useful

01:11:23 ◼   ► so I'm looking forward to that if that's true.

01:11:25 ◼   ► I think that's very, very nice.

01:11:27 ◼   ► But yeah, ultimately I think it will just look more modern.

01:11:31 ◼   ► I mean the current notch style has been there

01:11:36 ◼   ► since the iPhone X.

01:11:37 ◼   ► It's been there a number of years.

01:11:39 ◼   ► Android phones have moved on to the hole punch style.

01:11:42 ◼   ► fairly recently, and so if Apple continued to have

01:11:47 ◼   ► the same notch style, I think it would start to look dated.

01:11:50 ◼   ► So I think this is about the time to change it.

01:11:52 ◼   ► - I mean it was a differentiator,

01:11:53 ◼   ► 'cause Apple's particular shape and style of the notch

01:11:57 ◼   ► was, you know, even when they use little icons

01:12:00 ◼   ► to show this is an iPhone, you can see a little,

01:12:03 ◼   ► you know, we talked about this when we talked

01:12:04 ◼   ► about the notch, I go Apple's using it for branding, right?

01:12:07 ◼   ► Not because they love it, but because hey,

01:12:08 ◼   ► if it's there, it should be part of our brand.

01:12:11 ◼   ► When I see it with the Lozenge or the Sideways Eye

01:12:15 ◼   ► or however they decide to do it,

01:12:17 ◼   ► and not that it looks like an Android phone,

01:12:20 ◼   ► but it doesn't immediately say iPhone to me.

01:12:22 ◼   ► And I feel like it is less distinct.

01:12:24 ◼   ► Because there's lots of different hole punch cameras

01:12:26 ◼   ► that have been on Android phones for years.

01:12:27 ◼   ► They're all over the place,

01:12:28 ◼   ► different shapes, different sizes.

01:12:30 ◼   ► This one will be different.

01:12:32 ◼   ► I don't think I've seen an Android screen

01:12:33 ◼   ► with either of these exact arrangements,

01:12:35 ◼   ► whether it be the Eye or the Lozenge or whatever.

01:12:38 ◼   ► But I think it's gonna take a while for me to look at that

01:12:40 ◼   ► and have it read his iPhone, you know,

01:12:42 ◼   ► I'm sure we'll get there.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Eventually, I don't know what Apple's gonna do

01:12:44 ◼   ► when they can eventually get to the point

01:12:46 ◼   ► where they can just make the whole front

01:12:47 ◼   ► of the phone a screen,

01:12:49 ◼   ► because then how the heck do you make an icon of that

01:12:51 ◼   ► is literally just a vertical rounded rectangle.

01:12:53 ◼   ► Featureless vertical rounded rectangle

01:12:54 ◼   ► with nothing to differentiate it.

01:12:57 ◼   ► And it's kind of almost like,

01:12:58 ◼   ► and especially since Apple continues to change,

01:13:00 ◼   ► to subtly change the proportions of its phones

01:13:02 ◼   ► over the years, you know,

01:13:04 ◼   ► starting from the sort of short squat 3.5 inch

01:13:06 ◼   ► and the tall skinny, the, you know, iPhone five screen,

01:13:08 ◼   ► and then like it has changed proportions.

01:13:10 ◼   ► So it's not even like they can show you a rectangle

01:13:12 ◼   ► and go, oh, I can tell by the proportions

01:13:14 ◼   ► that's supposed to be an iPhone

01:13:15 ◼   ► 'cause it is so kind of like, you know, era dependent.

01:13:19 ◼   ► Anyway, that's a future Apple problem, I suppose.

01:13:21 ◼   ► Speaking of the screen, the other rumor is

01:13:24 ◼   ► I always on screen due to improved screen technology

01:13:27 ◼   ► where there will be a lock screen

01:13:29 ◼   ► that will just be always on kind of like the watch is.

01:13:31 ◼   ► And as part of that potential feature

01:13:33 ◼   ► is the minimum one Hertz refresh.

01:13:36 ◼   ► I believe the current ones,

01:13:37 ◼   ► even though they do have variable refresh,

01:13:38 ◼   ► I don't think they go down to one hertz like the watch does.

01:13:41 ◼   ► I think their minimum is like what,

01:13:42 ◼   ► 20 or five or something?

01:13:44 ◼   ► - I think it's something like 20.

01:13:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, anyway, the always on screen thing,

01:13:48 ◼   ► that's been rumored for a little bit.

01:13:52 ◼   ► I think it was even rumored for the last phone.

01:13:53 ◼   ► That's the type of thing that Apple can do a go, no go on

01:13:58 ◼   ► pretty late in the game,

01:14:00 ◼   ► because the one hertz minimum refresh,

01:14:03 ◼   ► that benefits battery life no matter what Apple does.

01:14:05 ◼   ► You don't have to have an always on screen to reap the benefits of having the 1Hz minimum

01:14:11 ◼   ► refresh on the LTPO screen technology, the lower power and everything, right?

01:14:15 ◼   ► But it seems like this may be the year for the always on lock screen.

01:14:19 ◼   ► And kind of like on the watch, I imagine it will be an option that you can turn off for

01:14:22 ◼   ► maximum battery life.

01:14:23 ◼   ► Don't use the always on lock screen because even though you're probably only lighting

01:14:26 ◼   ► up a small number of pixels, it's better not to light any of them up.

01:14:28 ◼   ► So I'm kind of looking forward to that because I think there's a lot of fun things you could

01:14:32 ◼   ► do with the phone there, but I'm not entirely convinced

01:14:35 ◼   ► that it's not the type of feature that Apple might punt.

01:14:38 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:14:41 ◼   ► - I'm guessing we actually get that one,

01:14:42 ◼   ► because the lock screen widgets being added this year

01:14:47 ◼   ► and some minor hints that were dropped to WBC,

01:14:51 ◼   ► basically the software is all lined up

01:14:54 ◼   ► for that always on screen feature.

01:14:56 ◼   ► So I think the combination of the software

01:14:59 ◼   ► pointing the way there and the rumors to that effect

01:15:01 ◼   ► for a pretty long time now,

01:15:03 ◼   ► that's probably a safe bet I'd say.

01:15:04 ◼   ► And I think that's gonna be kind of fun.

01:15:06 ◼   ► I mean, I'm not a phone on the table kind of person.

01:15:11 ◼   ► Like my phone's in my pocket when it's not in my hand.

01:15:14 ◼   ► So I don't think the Always On Screen

01:15:16 ◼   ► would be super useful to me personally,

01:15:18 ◼   ► but I can see that would be a pretty massive feature

01:15:21 ◼   ► for most of the world.

01:15:23 ◼   ► Most of the world seems to be like this giant phone

01:15:26 ◼   ► that doesn't fit in my pocket,

01:15:28 ◼   ► it must live on the table whenever I sit down.

01:15:30 ◼   ► And so for those people,

01:15:31 ◼   ► that this is gonna be a pretty good feature, I think.

01:15:33 ◼   ► - I do wonder how they'll control

01:15:35 ◼   ► what you're allowed to have on the screen.

01:15:36 ◼   ► Because these screens are OLED on the Pro phones,

01:15:39 ◼   ► you pay for every pixel that you light up.

01:15:42 ◼   ► And people being people,

01:15:44 ◼   ► I imagine what a lot of people want is,

01:15:46 ◼   ► well, I just want to see the picture

01:15:47 ◼   ► of my kids on the phone all the time.

01:15:48 ◼   ► It's like, well, the full screen,

01:15:50 ◼   ► the picture of your kids, that's a lot of pixels lit up.

01:15:53 ◼   ► How about just a little tiny widget

01:15:54 ◼   ► with your kids in it, right?

01:15:56 ◼   ► You know, like they do on the lock screen, right?

01:15:58 ◼   ► You get this little tiny rectangle

01:15:59 ◼   ► and that's where you get to put the picture of your kids.

01:16:01 ◼   ► And I can imagine people saying,

01:16:03 ◼   ► yeah, but on my watch I can do the whole kid's face

01:16:05 ◼   ► on the whole screen.

01:16:05 ◼   ► It's like, well, the watch screen is tiny.

01:16:07 ◼   ► So I felt there may be a tension

01:16:09 ◼   ► between what technology allows in terms of the feature.

01:16:12 ◼   ► Apple have designed this feature to encourage you

01:16:15 ◼   ► to not light up a lot of pixels and to force you perhaps,

01:16:18 ◼   ► to not be able to light up the entire screen

01:16:20 ◼   ► and just get these little widget things.

01:16:22 ◼   ► But I think that kind of flies in the face

01:16:23 ◼   ► what people want from this feature.

01:16:25 ◼   ► So we'll see how this evolves over the years

01:16:27 ◼   ► as the tech improves.

01:16:28 ◼   ► Well, worth knowing about the lock screen widget

01:16:31 ◼   ► implementation so far is that lock screen widgets

01:16:34 ◼   ► are monochrome and when you see some that have

01:16:39 ◼   ► what appears to be a translucent kind of background,

01:16:42 ◼   ► like a glass background kind of effect,

01:16:44 ◼   ► that is a special modifier in SwiftUI

01:16:47 ◼   ► that's the vibrancy background or something like that.

01:16:50 ◼   ► I can imagine them in a low luminance situation

01:16:53 ◼   ► like a sleeping lock screen that's always on,

01:16:56 ◼   ► just rendering those as black.

01:16:58 ◼   ► So I think the aesthetic is going to be

01:17:01 ◼   ► basically just monochrome line art for the widgets,

01:17:04 ◼   ► text and iconography and monochrome and that's probably it.

01:17:08 ◼   ► And then that gives them the freedom to dim it way down

01:17:11 ◼   ► or adapt to different ambient light levels in a smart way.

01:17:16 ◼   ► So that's probably how that's going to be.

01:17:18 ◼   ► And so I don't think we're gonna see things

01:17:19 ◼   ► like photos being used there

01:17:21 ◼   ► because they would have to be black and white.

01:17:24 ◼   ► Literally, not even having translucency

01:17:27 ◼   ► or not even grayscale, like even grayscale

01:17:30 ◼   ► is not gonna look super good there.

01:17:33 ◼   ► They could do it, but they probably won't do it.

01:17:34 ◼   ► So we're looking at basically monochrome art style here,

01:17:37 ◼   ► line art and text, and for that,

01:17:40 ◼   ► I think they can do quite well

01:17:42 ◼   ► and have lots of control over it,

01:17:43 ◼   ► but that will naturally limit it.

01:17:44 ◼   ► Also, I don't know if you're using the beta, John,

01:17:47 ◼   ► but I know Casey, you are.

01:17:48 ◼   ► The number of widgets on the lock screen is very small.

01:17:53 ◼   ► You basically, so you have like the time,

01:17:56 ◼   ► You have above the time, you have the date

01:17:58 ◼   ► and day of the week, and you can put a tiny widget

01:18:01 ◼   ► next to that, so there's one up top

01:18:03 ◼   ► that's a little skinny text thing that goes

01:18:05 ◼   ► in line with the date, and then below the time,

01:18:08 ◼   ► you have room for two, three, or four widgets

01:18:11 ◼   ► that take up one line.

01:18:13 ◼   ► So there's medium rectangles and little circles,

01:18:16 ◼   ► and you can either do four little circles

01:18:18 ◼   ► or one medium rectangle that's as wide as two circles

01:18:21 ◼   ► and then one or two more circles next to it.

01:18:22 ◼   ► So whatever it is, it's only the top third of the screen.

01:18:27 ◼   ► And even in that area, it's a fairly small number

01:18:30 ◼   ► of elements that you're actually keeping there.

01:18:33 ◼   ► Plus the widget system itself is very much based

01:18:35 ◼   ► on pre-rendering a timeline, so these apps

01:18:37 ◼   ► aren't actually being kept running this whole time.

01:18:39 ◼   ► So they can make it pretty low power

01:18:42 ◼   ► in a very similar way that watch complications are done.

01:18:45 ◼   ► - And speaking of the lock screen being monochrome stuff,

01:18:47 ◼   ► like it's not as if the screen is monochrome,

01:18:50 ◼   ► And it's not as if there's any particular power benefit

01:18:53 ◼   ► to doing things monochromatically.

01:18:55 ◼   ► In fact, it maybe works because you've

01:18:56 ◼   ► got to light up all the RGB subpixels to get grayish.

01:18:59 ◼   ► But it's like Marco said before, when you have something

01:19:01 ◼   ► that is monochrome, that means it's also high contrast

01:19:04 ◼   ► because it's black and then not black.

01:19:07 ◼   ► And that means you can dim it down

01:19:08 ◼   ► and it can still be legible with the screen dimmed.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Whereas if you had something that had subtle shading

01:19:13 ◼   ► gradations and was basically colored like any other interface

01:19:15 ◼   ► thing that Apple does where everything is like,

01:19:17 ◼   ► How about light gray miniature text on a white background?

01:19:21 ◼   ► If you dim that at all, it becomes invisible.

01:19:23 ◼   ► I would argue it's already kind of invisible to old people,

01:19:25 ◼   ► but Apple's line between here's how the designer

01:19:30 ◼   ► with very good vision thinks it should look,

01:19:33 ◼   ► and then here's how it looks

01:19:34 ◼   ► with the accessibility bolding thing turned on,

01:19:37 ◼   ► I feel like there's a medium between those two,

01:19:39 ◼   ► which is here's how it can still be relatively attractive,

01:19:43 ◼   ► because a lot of times I feel like the accessibility mode

01:19:46 ◼   ► where the high contrast and stuff just does not look

01:19:49 ◼   ► as good as the real one.

01:19:50 ◼   ► So I would like to be higher contrast,

01:19:52 ◼   ► but still attractive.

01:19:53 ◼   ► And Apple hasn't quite found that yet.

01:19:55 ◼   ► So maybe this lock screen will be one of the first

01:19:58 ◼   ► interfaces they've done that is both high contrast

01:20:02 ◼   ► in normal mode, let's say, or in default mode,

01:20:07 ◼   ► but still attractive looking, we'll see.

01:20:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would also say like, if you think about

01:20:12 ◼   ► the world that will be in a few weeks

01:20:16 ◼   ► where lots of people have these phones.

01:20:18 ◼   ► And again, assuming these rumors are all real,

01:20:20 ◼   ► which they are pretty consistent about this.

01:20:22 ◼   ► So assuming this world comes to pass,

01:20:24 ◼   ► imagine if you're at a crowded table,

01:20:27 ◼   ► maybe in a meeting or at a restaurant or something,

01:20:30 ◼   ► you're at a crowded table

01:20:31 ◼   ► and everyone has their phone on the table,

01:20:32 ◼   ► you don't want everyone's phone to be blaring

01:20:35 ◼   ► a full color screen at you the whole time.

01:20:38 ◼   ► That would be very visually loud and very distracting.

01:20:40 ◼   ► - You say you in that sentence.

01:20:42 ◼   ► you don't want, Apple doesn't want,

01:20:45 ◼   ► people probably do want,

01:20:46 ◼   ► but Apple is going to stop them from doing it.

01:20:48 ◼   ► - Well good, because if you think about

01:20:50 ◼   ► how they're probably going to do it,

01:20:52 ◼   ► which is a very subtle monochrome,

01:20:55 ◼   ► low brightness, no to minimal color,

01:21:00 ◼   ► just a very, like a status display,

01:21:02 ◼   ► as if it's like an LCD alarm, or an LED alarm clock,

01:21:05 ◼   ► very dim, just here's a little bit of information

01:21:08 ◼   ► for you on your phone, and then once you pick it up,

01:21:12 ◼   ► then it all lights up in full color, like that's fine,

01:21:14 ◼   ► but as it's sitting there idle on the table,

01:21:16 ◼   ► you wouldn't want a whole bunch of phones on the table

01:21:18 ◼   ► to all be glowing with bright colors and bright,

01:21:21 ◼   ► and bright, high brightness.

01:21:22 ◼   ► - And people just want their phone

01:21:23 ◼   ► to have a full color picture of their kid

01:21:25 ◼   ► and everyone else's phone to be dim.

01:21:26 ◼   ► - Right, so anyway, I'm thinking that's probably

01:21:29 ◼   ► gonna be like a very pragmatic

01:21:32 ◼   ► and visually tasteful way to do it.

01:21:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, so continuing with the phone rumors,

01:21:36 ◼   ► you already said the six gigs of RAM,

01:21:38 ◼   ► there's a rumor that it's gonna come with a 30,

01:21:40 ◼   ► or you will have available to you a 30 watt charger,

01:21:43 ◼   ► but the rumor is that the iPhone 14

01:21:47 ◼   ► will only be able to take 27 watts,

01:21:48 ◼   ► so it's a little bit of a future proof charger,

01:21:50 ◼   ► maybe for the 15.

01:21:51 ◼   ► Better battery life is always the rumor for phones.

01:21:55 ◼   ► In this case, the better battery life

01:21:56 ◼   ► would come from two main things, I think.

01:21:58 ◼   ► One is the lower power screen that we just talked about,

01:22:01 ◼   ► although that is somewhat offset by the fact

01:22:03 ◼   ► that there may be an option to leave it always on

01:22:04 ◼   ► with the screen we just talked about.

01:22:06 ◼   ► And two is the lower power cell modem.

01:22:09 ◼   ► It is not Apple's cell modem this year.

01:22:11 ◼   ► It is still another one from Qualcomm,

01:22:13 ◼   ► but apparently it does not take as much power

01:22:16 ◼   ► as the previous one did, which makes sense

01:22:17 ◼   ► because 5G was young in the past,

01:22:19 ◼   ► in the first few phones that had 5G,

01:22:21 ◼   ► now the Qualcomm chips that do 5G,

01:22:23 ◼   ► 5G are not quite as power hungry.

01:22:25 ◼   ► So that bodes well for battery life,

01:22:27 ◼   ► assuming everything else is the same.

01:22:28 ◼   ► We think the phone is gonna be basically the same size,

01:22:30 ◼   ► and so, you know, it should have pretty good battery life.

01:22:32 ◼   ► But the other factor is the even bigger camera,

01:22:37 ◼   ► it's not even a bump.

01:22:38 ◼   ► The even bigger camera Mesa camera monstrosity that's on the back of this thing even bigger

01:22:43 ◼   ► than the 13 in terms of sticking out of the phone, which is what I care about.

01:22:47 ◼   ► I think it may also be bigger in terms of width and height but already in the 13 it

01:22:51 ◼   ► is not in the corner of the 13 it crosses the midline.

01:22:54 ◼   ► It's huge.

01:22:55 ◼   ► They really need to revise this.

01:22:57 ◼   ► The rumor was that this was going to be the year where they were going to have a flat

01:22:59 ◼   ► back on a thing with the periscope lens.

01:23:01 ◼   ► Nope that rumor has moved to next year.

01:23:03 ◼   ► I really hope it's true for next year.

01:23:05 ◼   ► I wish it was true for the phone year that I was getting but apparently it's not.

01:23:08 ◼   ► But anyway, in that giant camera bump that sticks out even farther, it's got a 48 megapixel

01:23:13 ◼   ► 1x camera which will most of the time be pixel binned to 12 megapixels.

01:23:17 ◼   ► So it's not actually like you're going to be taking 48 megapixel photos most of the

01:23:20 ◼   ► time in low light.

01:23:22 ◼   ► But in theory, you could in very sunny conditions take a 48 megapixel image.

01:23:28 ◼   ► Also in theory, you may be able to record at 8K given the size of the sensor.

01:23:33 ◼   ► see what Apple does with that because just because the sensor has 48 megapixels on it

01:23:38 ◼   ► doesn't mean that Apple ever has to advertise or use those 48 megapixels.

01:23:42 ◼   ► They could just say, "It's got 48 megapixels, but we pixel bin all the time, and that's

01:23:47 ◼   ► a great advantage and only Apple blah, blah, blah."

01:23:49 ◼   ► I'm interested to see how they market this.

01:23:52 ◼   ► Can you explain what pixel binning is?

01:23:54 ◼   ► Pixel binning is when you have a 48 megapixel camera, but instead of reading out each pixel

01:23:59 ◼   ► saying, "Okay, pixel, what color do you see?

01:24:01 ◼   ► Okay, pixel, whatever color do you see?"

01:24:02 ◼   ► you take a set of four pixels, a two by two square of pixels,

01:24:06 ◼   ► and you treat that as one big pixel,