499: Living Is Pretty Important to Me
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Hey everybody, it is still September. I know we have a lot to discuss, but it is still September.
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September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. And as always, or at least for the past several years,
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we here at ATP are working for/with Relay to try to raise money to just defeat childhood cancer.
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And our charity of choice is St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. We're going to make this
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particular plug really quick because we have a lot to talk about. I would like to go to bed before
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four, three in the morning, but suffice to say,
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a lot of us may have already spent some money today.
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In fact, I might have done that.
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We'll talk about that at some point, I'm sure.
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- But nevertheless, you might be spending
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a lot of money today.
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You might be doing it for something
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that you may not entirely need.
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If you have a couple extra dollars to send St. Jude's Way,
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I would strongly recommend it.
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So go to stjude.org/atp, S-T-J-U-D-E.org/atp.
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And please, donate a few bucks.
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It can be five, it can be one, it can be 500, 5000.
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Hell, if you have $5 million laying around
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that you wanna give to St. Jude, all the more to you.
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That's awesome, and you will get all the stickers.
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I actually, breaking news, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo,
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doo, doo, I have new stickers on the way.
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So I haven't exactly decided what the threshold is
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to earn you a sticker yet, because I just haven't.
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But I guarantee that if you donate $5 million,
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I will give you 170 whatever dollars worth of stickers
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that are heading my way, so you can have all the ATP
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stickers you'd ever want.
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was like 500 stickers. But anyway, if you donate less than $5 million, then we'll have
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to see. But I strongly encourage you, please and thank you, to donate to St. Jude at stjude.org/atp.
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It is a very, very worthy cause. We have thrown our time, our energy, and our money behind
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it. We were doing something special, the three of us together. And we decided, okay, let's
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go ahead and do the donations, which was very kind of my two co-hosts, because typically
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those jerks decide to do it when I'm in the midst of recording another podcast or generally
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not in the right headspace for filling out a very simple online form. Which by the way
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does take Apple Pay. So no excuses everyone. StJude.org/ATP. Anyway, we were filling this
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out and I was filling it out and then I realized I needed to correct something and I went back.
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And as we're filling this out, I'm laughing with Marco and John saying, "Oh, what are
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we going to do to make like something funny this year?" Because there was the asterisk
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year. That was two years ago, I think, and then last year there was something funny with
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me donating a little bit more than everyone or something like that. I forget, I've already
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lost track, but it doesn't matter. There's always something goofy that happens every
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single year. And we couldn't come up with anything deliberate to happen. So Marco happened
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to fill out his donation first and we agreed that we were all going to donate $7,000 apiece,
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we spoke about last episode, so for a sum total of $21,000. And Marco filled his out
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on behalf of him and Tiff, and you had donated what, $7,002? Is that right?
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something like that, yeah.
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'Cause I was like, I'm gonna beat those guys.
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'Cause I'm like, someone's gonna be a smart ass
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and give 7001.
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So I'm gonna do 7002.
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- Right, I'm going to outsmart the smart asses.
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And so Marco almost succeeded in that,
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but because I accidentally had to go back and fix something,
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I thought to myself, oh-- - Accidentally.
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- Let's go with that.
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We're gonna use that as the story.
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So I decided to go back and fix whatever mistake
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I may or may not have made,
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and then, oh, I will open a private window
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and I will refresh stjude.org/atp,
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S-D-J-U-D-E.org/atp, and oh, lo and behold,
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Tiff and Marco Armond, $7,002, well, ha ha!
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I will donate $7,003 because I am a big jerk.
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- And from this part of the story,
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you can learn that Casey is a cheater
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because the sort of unwritten agreement here
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is we're all going to donate
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and it was kind of like a game of chicken.
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We agreed on how much we're gonna donate,
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- We also know and had discussed in the previous show,
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like, oh, but sometimes someone gives a little bit more
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to try to be the top one.
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So the whole point was, let's all do it at the same time,
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and let's not look at what the other people don't.
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- That was unsaid. - That's cheating.
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- That was unsaid. - That's cheating.
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- It was an unstated gentleman's agreement,
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and I'm not a gentleman, so I didn't agree.
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So anyway, so I donate my $7,003,
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but in the time between Tiff and Marco Arman's $7,002,
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and Casey Neuron-Liss's $7,003,
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some turd decides to swoop in and donate $7,007
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and ruin everything.
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So John Siracusa, you are, as we record right now,
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the leader, the champion at $7,007.
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Well done, you insufferable pain in my bottom.
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- Johnny, I would love it.
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Look at the symmetry.
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Plus it's got 007 in there as well.
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I don't know how you can resist that.
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And so Marco and I played correctly.
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You cheated and you lost anyway,
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so you were a double loss this time.
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Better luck next year.
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- Yup. - Fair enough.
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But is it really a loss if we're just donating money to
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S-T-J-U-D-E dot org slash ATP?
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If we're donating money to try to end childhood cancer,
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I think it's a win for everyone.
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So please. - Everyone wins except Casey.
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- Everyone wins except me apparently.
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So yeah, please go and donate.
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I will say that at least for now,
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if you donate more than a one Mr. John Siracusa
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and you send me your receipt
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and call to my attention by some mechanism,
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I will give you, I will send you at least one ATP sticker anywhere that the United States
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Postal Service will deliver, and that includes many, many, many countries.
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So please reach out if you want to donate more than $7,007.
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You can have the lamest and most expensive sticker in the world if you so choose.
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So reach out if you so desire.
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But please, let's work with Relay and let's do what we can to raise money to end childhood
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Please and thank you.
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All right, big day.
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This is a long one.
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Hell, I didn't even catch the runtime, but it was long.
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- Yeah, and I think it was deserved.
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Like, at no point did I feel like it was dragging.
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- Uh, toward the end there, I'm not so sure I agree with you.
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- Well, okay, maybe, but for the most part,
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I give them a lot of credit for that,
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that there were no boring services updates.
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- That's true, that's true.
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- No retail update, we haven't had one of those
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in a long time, actually, probably 'cause this is not
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a great time for retail in general in this world.
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But yeah, there was no big push for TV Plus or Fitness Plus
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or anything, they didn't even mention most of those things.
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- They should have given us an update
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on their union busting.
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- Oh, we're getting saucy.
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- How are we trying to convince our retail employees
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not to unionize?
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Let's just give you a little update on that,
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see how it's going for us.
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- Yeah, let's do that.
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Well, if Jon is saucy today, I'm here for it.
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This is gonna be a fun episode.
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So yeah, I do agree with you there.
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There was this stuff about the scuba diving
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that was actually kind of interesting,
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so I'll give it a pass, but there was not like the five to ten minute game demo that none of the three of us
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anyway really care about. It was
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mostly relatively tight. By the end I was like, okay,
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I'm gonna need a hunk of cheese at the end of this maze, but nevertheless for the most part
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it wasn't too bad. And we started off, for all intents and purposes, with the Apple Watch and Jeff Williams introducing the Apple Watch
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Series 8. And this was done by Deirdre Kaldbeck, if I'm not mistaken. And this looks good.
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I am a every two years on the watch kind of fellow and
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so I'm on an Apple Watch Series 6. I have little teeny tiny wrists, so I have a 40 or 41 millimeter,
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whatever it is, the smaller of the Apple Watch Series 6s. And so I will be getting an Apple Watch
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Series 8. I did already order one for me and one for Aaron. I'm cutting right to the chase here.
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And I waited all of like 15 minutes, and I'm already in the first full week after the
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actual launch because there's coming out what a week from Friday I believe and I'm due after that
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which is a little bit of a bummer but you know what are you gonna do. I'm getting ahead of myself
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I'm putting myself over my skis so Apple Series 8 there's a new temperature sensor and they went
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into a pretty long and I thought really great segment about their to use their own words
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commitment to women's health and they were talking this is Dr. Desai I believe was talking a lot about
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menstrual cycle tracking. As someone who has gone through some infertility problems, I can tell you
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that a lot of treatment for infertility starts with knowing when the woman is in a very fertile
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time of her cycle. And you do that typically by using a very special thermometer. Well, maybe not
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very special, but a special thermometer that is a little bit more accurate. And you basically keep
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a pen and paper log. I'm sure there's apps for that now or maybe there even were when we were
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going through this, but that's what it boils down to. You wake up every morning, you take your
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temperature, and then you write it down, and then you discuss with your family doctor, your fertility
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doctor, or what have you. And now they're saying that there are a couple of temperature sensors in
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the watch that will basically automate this to some degree for you. And I am so excited by, like,
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I mean, Erin and I, as far as we know, we're done having children, but nevertheless, I am so excited
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that this is a thing and that they spent time on it
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and that this is important to Apple.
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And I really dig this as someone for whom
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this was a very big deal for a couple of years of our lives.
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This is super cool and I'm really, really stoked about it.
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And I'm glad they spent the time on it
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and didn't just hand-wave it away and say,
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"Oh yeah, if you're having problems, maybe this will help."
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- Yeah, this is probably something that most people
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who have not ever tried to get pregnant don't know about it,
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but we didn't have any fertility problems,
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so we did this too.
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That's just, again, we were doing it
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during the days before there were probably any apps.
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It was just taking your temperature
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with a little temperature when you wake up
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and writing it down.
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That's the thing that you do.
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I thought they were pretty good with the,
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they made some attempts to be inclusive with this
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when they talked about, you know,
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like the tracking features are useful for,
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I think they said something like people who ovulate, right?
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Because some women don't ovulate,
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so it's, you know, whether you're postmenopausal
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or whatever, they want it to sort of like
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be accurate with their language.
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I didn't write down what they said, but they were only talking about women, and women
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aren't the only people who ovulate.
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You would think that Apple, for all their inclusion and diversity efforts and everything,
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would be able to use more precise language in their presentation.
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It's something that most people don't notice unless you happen to be someone who
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is watching this who is not a woman who ovulates.
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You're like, "Oh, I guess I'm excluded from this."
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Not great, but maybe they'll do better next year.
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- One thing I thought was kind of like a side little
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like smile I got was to see that we've heard
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for a little while now in the rumor mill
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that this next generation of Apple Watch
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was going to have a thermometer of some sort.
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And we also heard that they were doing things
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to like, you can't really measure necessarily accurately
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exactly what your temperature is,
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but you could at least measure deltas and patterns over time
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and which is exactly what they're doing.
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And none of the rumors, as far as I can recall,
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mentioned this use case of like ovulation tracking
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and cycle deviation tracking,
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none of them as far as I know mentioned this.
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Everyone was like, oh, maybe they could use it
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for like fever detection or health
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or like viral infection detection, stuff like that.
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And I think that kind of shows like quite how
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young and male most of the rumor reporting I think is.
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- Yeah, like why else would you ever take your temperature?
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Doesn't make any sense.
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- Right, yeah.
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Like no one had, no one even considered this
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as an option.
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- And some people are pointing out in the chat room,
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Again, this is one of the disadvantages of doing our show
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the day of the keynote, 'cause like,
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for people who don't know, way back when,
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we intentionally chose Wednesday
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as the day we would record the show,
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like, you know, seven or eight years ago when we started it,
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because most Apple keynotes are on Tuesday,
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and we wanted to be soon after the keynote,
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but give us time to digest it,
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but Labor Day kind of messed it up this year,
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so we're recording the day of the keynote,
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and one of the things of the many that I don't know,
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because I haven't had time to get the precise thing is,
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does the temperature sensor have any means
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to give you an absolute temperature value at any point?
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Does it give you a summary at the end of the day?
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Does it, can you tell it,
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"Hey, take my temperature right now,"
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or is it just, you know,
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'cause they showed the ovulation thing,
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which is like deviations from baseline.
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It looked like it was a graph with the Y-axis
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that was giving absolute values,
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but they didn't really lean on the whole, you know,
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can I use this, like the heart rate sensor.
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You can do the, what do you call it, the EKG thing.
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You can do that at any time.
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You can trigger it and say, "It's gonna run now,
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and then I'm gonna look at the result."
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Can you do that with a temperature sensor?
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I mean, it remains to be seen whether there's
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an API for third party apps to do it, but Apple,
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the only feature they advertised was
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the retrospective ovulation notifications
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and the possible cycle deviation notifications.
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And I'm guessing, they probably don't want to
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build this as something that it's not gonna be very good at.
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And so if they really don't have very precise
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temperature readings or absolute readings
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and they're really only doing relative stuff,
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it would make sense for them to keep it pretty low key.
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And those are the only features they mentioned using it.
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And so I think if it could be used for anything else,
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they probably would have said so.
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- Yeah, and I'm looking at a screenshot
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that they had in the video,
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and it shows risk temperature,
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average is plus 0.26 degrees Fahrenheit from baseline.
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And the chart, it does have a y-axis,
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but the center of it is baseline.
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And then the first thing is plus two,
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then plus four degrees Fahrenheit.
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So there is some modicum of absolute,
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well, it's not absolute measurement,
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it's relative measurement.
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and they get absolute on what the relative
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measured difference is, if that makes sense.
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So it's plus two degrees off the baseline,
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but they are not specific about what the baseline is.
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- Yeah, I do wonder if they just literally
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can't get an absolute value,
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'cause as we discussed last week,
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when you take a temperature with a thermometer,
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it can go, there are certain places in your body
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that are better than others.
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Mouth pretty good, butt for babies pretty good,
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armpit, forehead maybe,
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wrist is probably not anywhere on that list.
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So maybe the readings they get off people's wrists
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They're just off by some unknown delta from the actual body temperature, and they don't
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know what that delta is for each individual person, depending on their body composition
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and everything, right?
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So they just have to basically say baseline relative, right?
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The absolute values may be nonsense.
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The absolute values may be like 78 degrees or something, like it doesn't relate to, you
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know, 98.6 or whatever.
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I think it's also worth noting that it says kind of all over the UI that, and they mentioned
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in the presentation, this might require you to wear the watch to sleep to actually get
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an accurate measurement because it says it measures it during sleep.
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The other feature related to cycle tracking that they emphasized in the typical Apple
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way of not wanting to go directly head on to address the issue, but to sort of, if you
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know, you know, basically saying, "Hey, and just by the way, now that we're doing all
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this thing where we can do like, you know, cycle tracking and find out when you're ovulating
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and everything, that's all end-to-end encrypted and even Apple doesn't have the encryption
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key to get it. So no one can even ask us to give you this information. It's secure, you
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own this data, Apple can't get to it even if we want to." And you'd be like, "Okay,
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well, I guess, I mean, I guess that's good." But really what they're trying to say is,
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if you live in a state that doesn't allow abortion and someone tries to subpoena records
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to find out if you were, you know, trying to get an abortion and they want to put you
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in jail or something, Apple will not give them the data because we literally can't.
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Like that's what they're saying, but they're not going to say, they're not going to come
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right out and take that head on, but it was nice for them to spend some time emphasizing,
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you know, we don't have your data, your data is yours, and no one can make us give it to
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Yeah, and I was, that was, I mean, you know, they were basically hitting over the head
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with that for good reason.
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Like, that is something that is both, that is very important, and that many people don't
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And so this, it's good for them to like really hammer that home in the presentation.
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They clearly were doing it for that reason, and all of that is definitely worth applauding
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and screaming from the hilltops.
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- Yeah, and they made an extra effort to say,
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even for the tech-savvy crowd,
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because the tech-savvy crowd may know,
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oh, if you do iCloud backups,
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your messages are there unencrypted,
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and so that's how Apple can get subpoenas
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for iMessage stuff.
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They emphasize that even though we do iCloud syncing
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of your health data, we don't have the key for it.
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I feel like they still definitely need to fix that
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with messages.
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I'm not entirely sure why they haven't yet.
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I know we've discussed this in past shows,
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but they emphasize that's not the case with the health data.
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They added a new feature for,
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several new features for safety,
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but in particular they emphasized car crash detection.
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This was Ron Wang.
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Two new motion sensors, a high G-force accelerometer,
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which apparently can handle or read up to 256 Gs.
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And maybe I misunderstood,
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but they said something about how it samples
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3,000 times a second.
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That seems like it--
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- I believe, so there's two different sensor changes.
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So the gyroscope is improved and samples four times
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as quickly as the old one.
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And then also there's the high G-force accelerometer,
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which is different than, it basically measures larger
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magnitudes of change than the old one could.
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So the combination of these two things
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is what allows them to still be super precise
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about small movements as you need to be
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with various iOS and watchOS features,
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but also be able to properly measure the huge impact
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of something like a car crash that before it might have been,
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the sensor might not have been precise enough
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or sample quickly enough, or the equivalent of dynamic range
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of what's the smallest and largest force this can measure,
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that range was probably too small before
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to measure something like a car crash accurately.
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So now they've improved both of these sensors
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in both the Series 8 watches and they later mentioned
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it's also part of the iPhone 14 series,
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has the exact same sensors with the exact same feature
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of this car crash detection.
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- Yeah, and although, so this is kind of like
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the audio file lossless audio thing and all that,
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It's great that it can go up to 256 Gs,
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but your body cannot.
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If you ever experience 100 Gs, you're pretty much dead.
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Like it's not just, I feel with the human threshold
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for like, and then you're wondering like,
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what's gonna kill you?
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It's your brain smashing into the inside of your skull.
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That pretty much does it.
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And I think around 50 Gs is close to instant death.
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So they've got a lot of headroom on this.
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If your watch ever experiences 250 Gs,
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don't worry about it, you're dead.
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If you're wearing it, you're dead, right?
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So they also mentioned kind of off to the side and then I either came back to it later
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Maybe they said it right away
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But they said there's also a barometer in the Apple watch which I believe is new and they said and I thought this was so
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clever and so cool that the barometer is there in part at least to measure the shift in pressure that is
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Consistent with an air pressure change from a deployed airbag
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So the air the airbag goes off air pressure in the car changes presumably relatively dramatically and the barometer in the watch will detect that
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Which I just think is so cool
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I mean, obviously, I hope it never happens to me or anyone else, but it's cool that they thought of that
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And that's what they're doing with it on the g-force tracking front one more thing
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Uh, maybe you can use 256 g's because as someone just pointed out in the chat room
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Okay, so your body might be dead if it experiences that but what if your phone is not on your body?
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But is free floating in the car?
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And it hits like the windshield or something that you hopefully don't want to hit and you aren't hitting because you're
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Hitting into the airbag or your seat belt or whatever
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I guess it's possible that your phone could experience 256 g's when it is not
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on your person.
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- Yeah, and all this stuff, like the car crash feature,
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you know, the theme that Apple kept hitting
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over and over again, especially with the watch,
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and a little bit later with the phone,
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but the watch was like, the number one theme was,
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this thing could save your life someday.
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Like that, and they kept harping on that,
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and that would be really annoying if it wasn't true.
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Like, but it actually, it's a reasonable thing to say.
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Like, the Apple Watch has all these features.
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It has the fall detection, it has all the heart stuff,
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which is incredible.
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It has all this stuff for a reason that,
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yes, it sells watches, but it also legitimately is
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doing really great things for people's health,
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including having some pretty amazing
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emergency response stuff.
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And between, we'll get to the satellite stuff
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later with the phone, but they really are
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harping on this for good reason,
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that these are major selling features.
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And this is the kind of thing,
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you might want it for yourself, even if you don't care,
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you might wanna buy it for someone else in your family,
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maybe a kid or an older relative or a spouse or anybody who you might be like, you know,
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worried about, you know, not, you know, needing emergency services sometime or possibly falling
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or possibly having a heart problem. So they really made this case hard. But I actually
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think it was totally deserved that there's a lot of really good reasons to wear an Apple
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Watch now and every year they add more and more reasons. This is why I wear one almost
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every day. Even though you know how much I love standard watches like regular mechanical
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fancy watches, I love them so much. But the Apple Watch gives me so much utility and including
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stuff like this that's really hard to argue against like it. Do I want to be protected?
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You know from a lot of these various hazards? Do I want to have one more health meter monitoring
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me for different things? Yeah, actually I do because living is pretty important to me
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and I'm now now that I'm like officially middle aged like this all this stuff like this all
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It matters, it matters a lot.
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And so this was a very thickly spread theme of the show,
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but it was warranted.
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And I applaud all these efforts
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because they literally are saving lives.
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And you know, I will call out Apple
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for all their BS when it happens.
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This is not BS, this is real.
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They really do save people's lives
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and meaningfully improve people's health
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with these kind of features and products,
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and they deserve to be commended for that.
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- Yeah, I agree.
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- Well, there is a line of taste to be walked here, though.
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At the point where you have a child sitting in a reproduced half fuselage of a plane representing
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the plane that she crashed in and describing how reliving her crash on the thing.
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I agree with what you said, the safety features are important and very often the conversation
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I have with people with Apple watches is trying to buy an Apple watch for an older person
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who might fall and trying to convince them to wear it and everything.
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Those are real benefits.
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And charge it every day.
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Yeah, right.
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But yeah, I think there is, I think they might have,
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you know, this is obviously a question of taste, right?
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And for me, I think they went over the line
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into a little bit too, I don't know,
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like it feels wrong to have these people reliving
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and dramatizing their traumatic experiences
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for the purpose of selling Apple Watches.
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Even though, like you said, it is true,
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they watched it, saved them,
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and they agreed to be in these ads and stuff like that,
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it's somewhat distasteful.
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So I feel like there is a line,
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and you can decide whether they went over it for you,
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and maybe it's super convincing to people to like,
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oh, remember that girl with the plane?
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We should get an Apple Watch.
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But for me, it was like, eh, too far.
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- The whole story about the dude
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falling in the trash compactor, that was something.
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I mean, I do mostly come down on the Marco side of this.
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I hear you, Jon, and I agree with both of you,
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but if I had to pick one of you,
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I'd say I do agree with Marco,
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that it's important to show that the Apple Watch
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really can save you, but it is funny,
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especially watching Twitter as all this is happening,
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where basically everyone's saying,
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"Well, if you don't wanna die, buy an Apple Watch."
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And this is gonna come back even more
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when we talk about the new one, the new, new one.
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But anyway, anyway,
00:23:01
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I do think that this is important to talk about,
00:23:03
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and I do think it's very cool.
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And I like that the Apple Watch seems to, quite obviously,
00:23:09
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be leaning really heavily into health and now safety.
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And I think that's a pretty good way
00:23:14
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to position the Apple Watch,
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because as the triage center for your phone,
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which is one of the 17 ways they pitched it early on.
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I don't know if that's really that great
00:23:23
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a use case for the Apple Watch,
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but to keep you safe and to keep you healthy,
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those are two strong, strong ways to use an Apple Watch.
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And I'm there with it, I agree.
00:23:33
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- But also though, I think the Apple Watch,
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if you look at what else has changed with the Series 8,
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it's a pretty short list.
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As far as I can tell, the difference between the Series 7
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and Series 8 are very, very minimal.
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We don't know yet, it does have a new letter on the CPU.
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It's now a new number.
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It's now the S8 up from the S7,
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but the S7 was basically the same as the S6
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and I think even the S5.
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So we don't know, they didn't talk about the S8 at all.
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Really, so they didn't even mention it
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until they mentioned the SE.
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But it seems like the display seems unchanged
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from the Series 7.
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The Series 7 was a display upgrade,
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so they don't need to upgrade it every time,
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but it seems like the rest of the changes
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for the Series 8, with the exception
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of the temperature sensors for the ovulation
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and cycle health notifications,
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and the car crash detection, I think are the only changes
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to the Series 8 from the Series 7.
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And so I'm actually skipping this generation
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for the first time ever, because they got rid
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of my titanium, which I was just saying how awesome it was.
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- Well, kind of.
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- No, they got rid of it.
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We'll talk about the Ultra in a second,
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but that's a very different product.
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The Titanium is gone from the regular Apple Watch Series 8.
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They did fix the weird color thing they made
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where in last year's lineup,
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you couldn't get silver aluminum.
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If you picked aluminum, which most people do,
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you had to pick either a color or that starlight,
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which is like a dishwater light gold kind of thing,
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like a slightly warm silver.
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This year they fixed that.
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Regular, normal colored silver with no tint to it
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is back in the aluminum lineup.
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But anyway, other than those two features,
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nothing else is really different seemingly
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about the Series 8.
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And so I think they have to start leaning on
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all this other stuff, lean on features
00:25:34
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that are actually software features that many of them have,
00:25:37
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or start promoting other things you can do
00:25:40
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with your Apple Watch, just because the rate of change
00:25:44
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and the Apple Watch hardware has slowed dramatically.
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The Series 7 wasn't that different from the Series 6,
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and now the Series 8 is not that different
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from the Series 7.
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And I think this is just, this is a mature product,
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whatever it is, they're not making major hardware gains
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recently and possibly anymore.
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So they have to start doing those more,
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more kind of incremental features.
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The low-hanging fruit's all gone,
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and we're left with higher-hanging fruit
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being occasionally picked,
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as opposed to major year-over-year upgrades,
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like we used to get.
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- Well, the SLC question is a big one.
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Like I even missed that it was the even increment
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to the number and we don't know at this point,
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again, another disadvantage of recording day of,
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is the S8 different than the S7?
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We learned the S7 was basically the same as the S6.
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Maybe this is another year where they didn't change anything
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but they should change it eventually.
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The possible answer to why they haven't is like,
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well, if they're already fabbing it
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on the best process they have, why not?
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The main thing that watch cares about is power consumption.
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So you're not gonna get a lot of gains
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on power consumption until the next process node.
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So why not wait to three nanometer, right?
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But I read, I don't keep track of this,
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but I thought I read someone saying
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that the S7 was seven nanometers,
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it's not even five nanometers.
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And if that's true, and if this one also
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is not five nanometers, that's disappointing
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because that's what you want out of each generation of watch.
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I don't think it needs to be faster,
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you don't need like more cores or more GPU cores,
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or I don't need to benchmark the watch.
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Like once it gets past, once it can do everything
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needs to do, it's fine, but what you care about is battery life and stepping up or
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down depending on how you do it, you know, stepping to a better process node, a smaller
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process node, gives you power savings if you make the same chip on a smaller
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process. That's what they should be doing whenever they can and maybe whenever
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they can is only every three years because they use up all their good fab
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capacity on iPhones or something where obviously it's much more important than
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the watch and maybe there's so many watches they just they can't like well
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can't you just do the watches on the good process too?
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It's like, no, we don't have that capacity or whatever,
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but it is kind of a shame.
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So I think they need to continue to keep pace
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with the process advances,
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even if they never make a tremendously faster SoC.
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- Yeah, and again, as a constant owner of these watches
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and a developer with an app against them,
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I'm okay on speed.
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We don't really need more speed on the watch for most things.
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The biggest challenge to the watch software ecosystem,
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which impacts the users, is that we just aren't allowed
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to use much computational time or resources.
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We have minimal background execution,
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very, very minimal background execution, almost none.
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We have very terrible data transfers
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because they try to send everything through the phone
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over Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi
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because Bluetooth is cheaper battery-wise,
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but it's much slower and less reliable
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and that's why it's hard for like podcast apps like mine
00:28:42
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to download episodes to the watch
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and why even Apple's own music app fails oftentimes
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to download much to it before you go out for a run
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or something.
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The watch, it needs more power headroom
00:28:54
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not to become faster, but to become less
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incredibly aggressively stingy with the resources
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it already has.
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Like if apps are able to use WiFi more often
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or able to refresh in the background
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or refresh our complications more often,
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that gives a much better experience on the watch.
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That broadens the software capabilities.
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That's the kind of stuff we need.
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So I agree, we should be pushing the hardware forward.
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And we'll see, maybe the S8 has that,
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but they literally, unless I missed something,
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during the Series 8 reveal,
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they didn't mention the SoC at all,
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they only mentioned it in the Apple Watch SE2 reveal
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where they said it has the S8 SIP from the Series 8.
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And that's the first time that was acknowledged at all.
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And as far as I can tell, they said nothing else about it.
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- Isn't the better G4 sensor and accelerometer thing,
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isn't that also part of the SoC?
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- Maybe, and because that's why,
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moving on I guess now to the Apple Watch
00:29:48
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as the second generation,
00:29:49
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this is finally what has killed the Series 3.
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Thank God, I'm so glad as a developer to know that
00:29:58
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as soon as I can require WatchOS 9,
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I will have no more need for the old style screen support
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for the old monochrome only complication situation,
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but that tiny little 38 millimeter screen
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that was on the old one, oh god,
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I'm so happy to be done with that,
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not to mention the fact that the Series 3
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is very old and slow by today's standards.
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But anyway, and it was ugly, ugh,
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it's so thick and bulbous and that big red dot on the crown.
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Anyway, the Series 3 was a bad time,
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that time has finally ended after much too long.
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Apple Watch SE second generation now replaces it.
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which I believe they made something like $50 cheaper
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to enter than the previous one.
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- I was gonna ask that.
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They kept saying it's cheaper, it's cheaper, it's cheaper,
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but I couldn't remember how much the previous--
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- It's $250, I think the old one was $280.
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Like, it's not that much cheaper.
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- Is that right?
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- The Series 3 was $199, so I think they just got rid of that
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and just think, oh well, we'll have this 50 bucks more
00:30:53
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for a while, which is fine.
00:30:54
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Again, that's the right trade-off.
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And we don't learn too much about the Apple Watch SE2 yet,
00:31:00
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except that it does have the S8, same as the Series 8.
00:31:04
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It does have the car crash detection
00:31:06
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and some of the heart stuff.
00:31:08
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It does not have the EKG level of heart features,
00:31:11
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but it does have, I believe, all the other stuff.
00:31:15
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It has car crash, fall detection,
00:31:18
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and as far as I know, it probably doesn't have
00:31:21
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the always on screen because they didn't mention that.
00:31:23
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And that would be still a differentiator.
00:31:25
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And they also mentioned that the underside of it,
00:31:29
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like that the back case of it is now a quote,
00:31:31
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nylon composite material, you know, read plastic.
00:31:35
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- That's apologetically plastic.
00:31:37
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- Yes. (laughs)
00:31:38
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Presumably again, as a cost saving measure,
00:31:40
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so they don't have to put like, you know,
00:31:41
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ceramic or, you know, steel or anything down there.
00:31:44
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So that's, you know, more cost savings.
00:31:46
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But again, I think for, you know,
00:31:48
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this watch's entire purpose is to hit a low price point.
00:31:53
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And so to have a plastic back is totally fine
00:31:57
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and acceptable to hit that price point.
00:31:59
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That's I think a fair trade off.
00:32:01
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That being said, this is the model of watch,
00:32:04
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the SE that my kid wears, and I don't see any reason
00:32:09
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to upgrade him necessarily because it seems like
00:32:11
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it's not that much improved from the old SE.
00:32:13
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But we'll see again, we do need to learn a lot more
00:32:15
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about whether the Series 8 or whether the S8
00:32:18
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- All right, do you wanna talk Apple Watch Ultra then?
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- Let's do it.
00:34:21
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Can you believe they named it that?
00:34:23
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- Two points make a line.
00:34:25
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This is the new trend.
00:34:26
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We went through the pro era and we got some maxes mixed in,
00:34:29
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but now we're in the era where the best qualifier
00:34:33
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for a product name in an Apple lineup is ultra,
00:34:36
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at least until the Mac Pro comes
00:34:37
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and is called something else.
00:34:38
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But yeah, we got two ultras.
00:34:41
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- And I was so disappointed too,
00:34:42
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'cause as Jeff Williams was attempting
00:34:43
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to show some personality, which he's not good at,
00:34:46
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in the introduction of this,
00:34:47
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and can you, does anybody?
00:34:50
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Look, it's pretty clear that Jeff Williams
00:34:53
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is the hot spare for Tim Cook if anything happens to him.
00:34:57
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But like, could you pick two more boring people
00:35:00
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to lead this company?
00:35:01
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Like really, for God's sakes, they are so dull.
00:35:04
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Like they-- - Yeah.
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- Tim is pretty animated.
00:35:05
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I think that Tim, I think it's just there,
00:35:07
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obviously it's their personalities,
00:35:09
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but I feel like Tim does a pretty good job
00:35:10
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of being animated in his standup things
00:35:12
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where he talks to the camera.
00:35:13
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Jeff Williams is more measured,
00:35:15
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but I think that's just his personality.
00:35:16
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I don't hold it against him.
00:35:17
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- I think you gotta grade these people on a curve.
00:35:19
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Anyway, so as Jeff Williams was introducing,
00:35:24
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he kept using the word explore,
00:35:26
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and I'm like, man, I hope they should just call it
00:35:28
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the Apple Watch Explorer, that would be such a good name.
00:35:31
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And then he comes out with Apple Watch Ultra,
00:35:33
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I'm like, no!
00:35:34
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- Ultra is better than explore.
00:35:37
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- No, it's not, but--
00:35:38
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- I mean, I don't think it suits it exactly,
00:35:41
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but if this is the new trend in Ultra
00:35:43
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as being the best non-ridiculous,
00:35:46
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well, I don't know, it is non-ridiculous,
00:35:47
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the best non-ridiculous qualifier.
00:35:49
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So the Mac Pro thing, whatever comes out,
00:35:52
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will be called something ridiculous,
00:35:53
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but nobody buys that.
00:35:54
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But for the products that people buy,
00:35:55
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Ultra is the best.
00:35:57
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- But yeah, well, (laughs)
00:35:58
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Ultra has other problems,
00:35:59
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like where they used it last time,
00:36:00
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where there was already a product called Max,
00:36:03
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which was no longer the maximum.
00:36:05
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- Yeah, but you just gotta know the AppleSpeak,
00:36:06
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and AppleSpeak Max is pretty darn good,
00:36:08
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but Ultra is the best. (laughs)
00:36:10
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- Anyway, so yeah, Apple Watch Ultra.
00:36:13
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This is where they put all the titanium.
00:36:16
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It's too bad because this is not a product for me,
00:36:19
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but this is a product that,
00:36:21
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this category has existed for a while.
00:36:24
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I mentioned this last week that there's this category
00:36:27
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of high-end sport smartwatches.
00:36:30
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Garmin does very, very well in this category.
00:36:33
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They have a whole bunch that are around $1,000,
00:36:36
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like in that price range.
00:36:37
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And so it makes sense that Apple should compete in this area
00:36:44
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because obviously the Apple Watch being a very fitness
00:36:47
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and activity oriented product should compete better
00:36:50
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against these other ones that were basically serving
00:36:53
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a higher end version of that.
00:36:55
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And so far, I have some friends who use these,
00:36:59
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the big Garmin kind of marathoner kind of watches,
00:37:03
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and the Apple Watch really didn't compete well in that area.
00:37:06
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It didn't have the ruggedness,
00:37:07
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it didn't have the battery life,
00:37:09
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it didn't have, and this is one area maybe,
00:37:12
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I don't know if it does yet,
00:37:13
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but it didn't have as precise of heart rate measurements
00:37:16
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as some of these other ones did.
00:37:18
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And they mentioned GPS, that's actually very good too.
00:37:22
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But so this is a market that is proven to be a real market
00:37:25
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that is sizable and that Apple was not competing well in.
00:37:29
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And now they attacked it head on.
00:37:32
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And while this is not gonna be a product for everybody,
00:37:35
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it's not supposed to be.
00:37:36
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This is like the, it's like the Cybertruck.
00:37:39
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It's like, that's a product for a certain market.
00:37:41
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That market exists.
00:37:42
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it's not gonna be everybody.
00:37:44
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But that being said, so what they've done here,
00:37:48
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I was, first of all, I was very pleasantly surprised
00:37:51
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that it was only 800 bucks,
00:37:53
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because compared to the other entrants in this market,
00:37:55
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that's very good.
00:37:56
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- That's why I was saying that the Ultra
00:37:57
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is not the Mac Pro qualifier,
00:37:59
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because they didn't price this as a $2,000 watch
00:38:01
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or anything like that.
00:38:02
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They didn't try to go for that super duper high end.
00:38:04
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It's priced like a top end Apple watch,
00:38:07
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but it's suited for a different purpose.
00:38:10
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It is not in a totally different price class.
00:38:12
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Yeah. No, and I'm stunned by that. I fully expected this thing to be like $9.99, maybe
00:38:16
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even over $1,000. And I was very, very surprised that they kept it at $800, which is still
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a tremendous pile of money. Like, don't get me wrong, it's not that it's cheap, it's just
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that I expected Apple to take, and Apple always does, take every opportunity to be like, "Oh,
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well, this is very fancy, so we're gonna have to charge you a lot of money. This is how
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this game is played." And they kind of didn't. I'm really surprised by it.
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I was thinking $1,000 for sure.
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Yeah, but I mean, I don't know on in general I'm mixed about the look of this
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I don't think it speaks to me personally
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I could totally understand if if you were a more of a
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Rugged human being than I am if this would speak to you
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God knows that this this entire watch was built specifically for underscore. I mean, I think this is made for him
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Personally, I don't find the style that
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particularly appealing, although I will say the bands are super cool. Like I really liked the orange one that had like the hook system
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Maybe that would be terrible to use but I thought it was a really clever idea and it looked cool to me.
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Those are actually I've used I've used similar straps for regular watches that have that that look at that kind of hook on system
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It works fine. It's great. What I was I was very pleased to see the way they designed this product
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not because I think it's attractive because frankly I don't but
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Because it is highly functional and serves the needs of its market
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So, for instance, the metal goes around the crystal.
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The crystal does not sit above the metal.
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This is important for a number of reasons.
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First of all, there's some pressure dynamics
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that could be in play here for deep diving,
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but also it just makes it more rugged
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if you're not hitting the side of the crystal on impact.
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Also, having the flat crystal makes it easier
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if you wanna put an additional case on top of it,
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some kind of thing that wraps around it to protect it.
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it's much easier to put a screen protector
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on a flat surface than a curved one.
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Again, thoughtful design there.
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The giant crown guard around the digital crown
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looks terrible, but it works.
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There's a reason why.
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In the watch world, tons of sport watches
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have had crown guards forever because,
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in certain impacts, if you hit the watch on the side,
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you could hit the crown and it could knock it right off
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or you could bend it or something.
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And so, those crown guards exist to protect the crown.
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There's all sorts of that thoughtfulness that goes into this.
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Even if you see on the underside of the Apple Watch Ultra,
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there are screws that hold the back on.
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The reason why probably is because the other way
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to construct the Apple Watch,
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which all the previous ones have done,
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is to glue the bottom on.
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And that is not super durable over a long time
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or in extreme conditions.
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And so this bottom is screwed in.
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And I guarantee you that was not the aesthetic choice
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that people would ideally make,
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But again, they looked at the needs of the market
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and they said, "Hey, this market needs XYZ features
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"and has XYZ priorities."
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And again, I can draw it right back
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to the new MacBook Pros, where the new MacBook Pros
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are objectively less attractive in certain ways
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than the old ones, but they are better fit to their market
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and their market's actual needs.
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That's what this watch is.
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It is not meant to be a fashion statement for most people.
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Some people will wear it that way
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because they want to express certain things.
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But for the most part, this is a functional watch.
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And if you look at all the garments and everything
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that were in this market before,
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they're all equally functional.
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They're not attractive things.
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But they serve purposes for people.
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And this is like the giant SUV of watches.
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Some people will buy it and never take it off-road
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for a moment of its life, but the people who want it,
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this is what they want and this is what they need.
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And so it does seem like, hardware alone,
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not even talking about the software features yet,
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but hardware alone, this is a watch designed for its users.
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And I really respect that.
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- It's kind of a shame they couldn't make a smaller one.
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I mean, obviously one of the big selling points
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is it has longer battery life.
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They claim 36 hours plus 60 hours in the low power mode
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that isn't released yet.
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There are many features.
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This is the new Apple way.
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They do a presentation and you have to just keep track
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of all the features that you're not gonna be able
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to use on day one.
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But anyway, 60 hour thing is coming later.
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And by the way, they kind of ham-fistedly expressed this
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in a few different ways for the presentation.
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So they first said 60 hours with quote,
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a new battery optimization setting coming later this fall.
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They later mentioned a low power workout setting
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for long marathon stuff,
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which I think is separate than that.
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And then they also have the feature called low power mode,
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which they announced during the series eight,
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but actually does, actually works on all the watches
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from series four forward.
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So there's a few different things at play here.
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By the way, I love that they did low power mode,
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that's fantastic.
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Because the Apple Watch, as we've all probably seen
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at one time, it has an ultra low power mode
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where if the battery goes below whatever,
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5% or whatever it is, 10%, whatever it is,
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it goes into the state where it basically is only a clock
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and only when you tap it,
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and the OS isn't even booted at that point.
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It's in this special low power firmware kind of mode.
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Well, we now have something in between full functionality
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and that low power mode, which is great.
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We have it on the Mac, we have it on the phone
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for a while now.
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And so I was actually very pleased that it still does most
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of what you need to watch to do.
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It still does the emergency stuff like follow detection.
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It still can do activity tracking,
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steps and stuff like that.
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The only thing it disables is the always on display,
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automatic workout detection, and probably some background
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refresh kind of stuff.
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And that's fine.
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That's a great trade off,
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and I'm very glad they added low power mode.
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But yeah, so it seems like there's low power mode
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and low power workout setting
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and the new battery optimization setting
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coming later this fall.
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- Yeah, and the 60 hours thing I would imagine
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is aiming for like, the set of,
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the minimum set of features in this ultra low power mode,
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this sort of like a preemptive ultra low power mode,
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like you know you're going on vacation,
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you're gonna be in the mountains for three days,
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set it to the 60 hour mode.
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I imagine one of the things that's going to make the list
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is GPS, like that it will basically be asleep all the time,
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but it'll wake up at some decreased interval to say,
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oh, let me just check where you are,
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GPS and then go back to sleep again.
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And I think GPS maybe wouldn't make the list
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for the other ultra low power modes, but we'll see.
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We don't actually know what the 60 hour thing is,
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was just promised.
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But all this is to say that like,
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since battery life is such an important part of this watch,
00:44:43
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it makes sense that it's humongous, right?
00:44:45
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It makes sense that it's humongous from a fashion sense too,
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because apparently these watches are big and chunky
00:44:49
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and it's kind of rugged or whatever.
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But this thing being as big as it is,
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it basically eliminates itself from anybody buying it
00:44:56
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who has a very small wrist.
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Because at a certain point it becomes untenable
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to try to get, it's like it's wider than your wrist, right?
00:45:03
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The straps do not go out,
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the straps just immediately go in.
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And that's, it's not great.
00:45:08
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And hey, if they can make it smaller, they probably would.
00:45:10
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But I bet there are a lot of people
00:45:11
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who would like this watch who have smaller wrists
00:45:13
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and just like, "Oh, I have to wait
00:45:15
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"until I can make it smaller."
00:45:16
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And how can they make it smaller?
00:45:17
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three nanometer SOC, smaller battery, smaller size,
00:45:21
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like I think they'll get there eventually.
00:45:23
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But for this first one, your choices are giant or giant.
00:45:26
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That's it, there's one size that's huge.
00:45:27
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- Yeah, and I'm actually, I'm kind of surprised
00:45:30
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there is only one size, maybe that's just a start,
00:45:32
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but yeah, and I think some of the hugeness
00:45:35
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is the additional metal that they're using.
00:45:37
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You know, like the reason why Apple glues stuff
00:45:41
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all over all their devices now is 'cause it saves space
00:45:43
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and makes things more minimal and everything.
00:45:46
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those screws and whatever they're screwing into
00:45:48
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that takes space.
00:45:49
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All that thick titanium around the outside
00:45:50
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to make it more rugged, that takes space.
00:45:53
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If they have anything new in the band attachment slots
00:45:58
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for maybe these new, like more rugged bands
00:46:00
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to stay on more securely and more extreme circumstances,
00:46:03
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that will take up space.
00:46:04
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All these things take up space in the watch.
00:46:06
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To some degree, if you're gonna have all that ruggedness
00:46:09
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and all those features that is about the size it can be,
00:46:12
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I mean, a regular old G-Shock,
00:46:15
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Even that, like I've never actually owned a G-Shock,
00:46:17
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but I've looked at a couple.
00:46:18
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And like a regular old G-Shock
00:46:20
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that is not even a smart watch or is kind of barely smart.
00:46:24
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Those are usually like 48 millimeters,
00:46:26
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they're big because they have all that kind of padding resin
00:46:30
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around them to make that rugged case.
00:46:32
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So this is just a market where it's hard
00:46:35
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to make something super rugged and super functional
00:46:37
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and super small.
00:46:39
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I think unfortunately for the smaller vista among us,
00:46:42
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and I include myself in this list, I wear the 41,
00:46:44
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I think this is just not really a product for us
00:46:48
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if we care about how it looks on us.
00:46:50
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Now that being said, if I was a mountain climber
00:46:53
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or an ultra marathonist, sure, I would buy this thing
00:46:56
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and just not give a crap how it looks.
00:46:58
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I've seen lots of watch nerds wearing giant Panerais
00:47:00
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that don't fit on their wrist at all,
00:47:01
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but that's just, they want that watch.
00:47:03
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- That's it.
00:47:04
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- Yeah, they want that watch and they don't care
00:47:06
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how it looks and they're wearing it proudly
00:47:09
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and if that's you for the Apple Watch Ultra, go for it.
00:47:11
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No one's gonna judge you.
00:47:13
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But I personally would judge myself too harshly if I wear it
00:47:16
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and I also don't have any need for it.
00:47:17
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But again, if I had that need,
00:47:19
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I would go for it shamelessly.
00:47:21
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- Yeah, I was gonna ask you,
00:47:22
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I couldn't remember for the life of me
00:47:23
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what the name of the fancy watches are
00:47:26
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with the super huge crown guards
00:47:28
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and it's Panerai that I was thinking of.
00:47:30
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And I've said this many times on the show before,
00:47:32
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but I had a friend who used to live near me
00:47:34
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and he was really into Panerais.
00:47:36
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And everyone that I had seen was just freakin' mammoth.
00:47:40
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And so just like you said, Marco,
00:47:42
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If one has the confidence to wear a freaking mammoth watch, even on a teeny tiny wrist
00:47:47
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like mine, then power to you.
00:47:48
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I am not that person, and apparently Marco isn't either.
00:47:51
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And so I've always, I mean, leaving aside the fact that Panerais are obscenely expensive,
00:47:54
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I've always lusted after one, but I don't think I would ever actually wear one because
00:47:58
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I have such a tiny tiny wrist.
00:48:00
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And here is a similar situation.
00:48:02
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So you know, the regular, if you will, or the base model Apple Watch Series 8 is 41
00:48:08
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the larger of the regular Apple Watches is 45 millimeters
00:48:12
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and this is 49, is that right?
00:48:15
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- Yeah. - Yeah, it's 49 millimeters.
00:48:15
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- And it's hard to compare it to regular watch sizes
00:48:19
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because most regular watches are round
00:48:21
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and when you compare a round watch size
00:48:24
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to a square watch size, it's a different ballgame.
00:48:27
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You really can't compare them directly.
00:48:29
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You think you can, you think you can figure it out,
00:48:31
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you can't, trust me.
00:48:33
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Like, you know, I wear the 41 millimeter Apple Watch,
00:48:36
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but that compares, I would say, pretty well
00:48:39
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to a maybe 39 to 40 millimeter round.
00:48:43
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You know, it doesn't seem as big.
00:48:45
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If I got a 41 millimeter round watch,
00:48:48
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that looks bigger on my wrist than this does
00:48:49
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by a decent amount.
00:48:51
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So you can't quite compare them directly.
00:48:53
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Also, it matters like how the straps fall.
00:48:57
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You know, some watches, including the regular Apple Watch,
00:48:59
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you know, the strap comes out a bit
00:49:02
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before it starts curving downward
00:49:03
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because the angle of the strap slots
00:49:06
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is kind of, is flat with the watch, or it's almost flat.
00:49:09
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Whereas the Apple Watch Ultra, I keep thinking
00:49:12
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it's called the Apple Watch Explorer,
00:49:13
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'cause that's what I want it to be called.
00:49:14
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The Apple Watch Ultra, it looks like the mounting points
00:49:18
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for the strap actually go down at a steeper angle.
00:49:20
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And it's made to be like, they know how big it is,
00:49:25
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and so they're making it a little bit more compatible
00:49:27
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with medium-sized to small wrists by having it
00:49:30
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curve a little bit more in a certain way.
00:49:32
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So they're doing what they can.
00:49:33
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It is still a very big watch.
00:49:34
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It's also a very thick watch.
00:49:36
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I didn't look at the measurements if they've given them,
00:49:39
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but you can tell from the side profile,
00:49:41
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this is a big thing.
00:49:42
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But again, for the people who are getting it
00:49:45
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for its features or for its lifestyle look,
00:49:48
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whatever that's important to you, they don't care.
00:49:52
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Like they want it to be big or they don't mind that it's big
00:49:54
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because it's serving a function that they need.
00:49:56
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- Well, there's more than just fashion involved though,
00:49:58
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especially with something this big.
00:50:00
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And especially because the little,
00:50:02
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the whatever they're called, the little ears
00:50:03
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where the straps are, like whatever angle they happen to be at, I can't tell if they're
00:50:06
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steeper, but it's a fixed angle, right?
00:50:08
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There's no change.
00:50:09
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You can pick different band designs to help with that, because some bands themselves stick
00:50:14
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out, whereas other ones have basically a thing that goes in a slot and another thing that
00:50:17
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hooks into that.
00:50:19
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But the issue at the bottom of all this for a lot of people has nothing to do with fashion,
00:50:23
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it has to do with comfort.
00:50:25
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Like part of being outdoors and exercising with something, it has to be on your wrist
00:50:29
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in a secure and comfortable way.
00:50:32
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If it is rubbing or banging or bumping, A, it's not going to be comfortable and who wants
00:50:36
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that, and B, it's not going to do its job right because you need to maintain enough
00:50:40
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contact in the right places to do the right thing.
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So in the end, size can be a disqualifier even if you don't care anything about the
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And speaking of fashion, with the Panerais and everything and the whole crown guard business,
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the Panerais, I was trying to think of a car equivalent, it's so comically exaggerated
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for the purpose of fashion because with the crown guards the size they are on these big
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chunky phones the crown itself is also large to match the crown guard so it's like oh you
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know Marco's explanation before of like well what if what if you hit the watch against
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something like if the crown is sticking out and it could you know you could bend it or
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break it and you'll damage your watch so now you need a crown guard and Panerai says okay
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well how about we have gigantic crown guards but then of course we need a gigantic crown
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that's even more prone to being hit so let's make the crown guards even bigger and it's
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like doesn't make any sense no one's using those to rock climb anyway and
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they're just a comical exaggeration of what it should be but especially on the
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Apple watch why does it have a crown at all well Apple wanted to reference real
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watches and it's a it's an input control and yada yada but it has a touchscreen
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on it right and so here they are with their they could have made a different
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choice here and say oh well we don't want to have a vulnerable crown so we'll
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steal the sucker up no no digital crown but they can't because their whole ass
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is based on it or they kind of like painted themselves into a skeuomorphic
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corner here by saying we're going to have a crown on it,
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which means that if we ever make a rugged one,
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and we want to keep the crown,
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we have to put in a crown guard.
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It's like you didn't need any of that.
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Like you could have just made it a touchscreen,
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but they didn't.
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So here we are with a crown guard.
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At least it's not comically exaggerated,
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but they did extend the crown guard to be around the button,
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which then itself extends out.
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And that's a good idea because it's easier to press
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with gloves or whatever.
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But that leads to a lot of sort of design awkwardness.
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And that design awkwardness,
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I think is part of the aesthetic,
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part of the style of this type of watch
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is design awkwardness.
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It's like the stupid thing that I hate,
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the plastic wheel arch cladding on,
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it's sort of like the Subaru Outback or whatever,
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you take a regular car and the Volvo's out,
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take a regular car and put plastic,
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matte black plastic cladding around the wheel wells
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to show that it's rugged, right?
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And it's incredibly dumb, it is 100% a fashion thing,
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and has no real functional advantage
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other than now you're gonna scratch up the plastic
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instead of scratching up the body.
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It's like, well, yeah, but I don't care
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if the plastic's scratched up.
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You do, it looks ugly too.
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Anyway, that's what I feel like this watch is doing.
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They had to put the crown guard there
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to sort of fit in with the other cool kids
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who are putting a guard on the crown.
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To give the Panerai example,
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one way you can make your crown less vulnerable
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to being knocked into something,
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not on a digital watch, but on a regular watch,
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make the crown way smaller and lower profile.
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You only use it when you're winding it.
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It's not a big deal.
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And it's like, but no, we have to make the crown big
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'cause it's part of, and here, obviously,
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the crown is not for winding,
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so they have to make it big enough
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for you to use with your finger.
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But it's just, I look at this watch,
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and it's such a slightly confused device
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that is constrained by all the watches
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that have ever come before it.
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It's constrained by the Apple Watch
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that has come before it, and it's also constrained
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by the fashion of its peers.
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It has to look of a piece with them.
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It has to look tough, it has to look tactical,
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it has to appeal to the watch nerds who knew before today
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what the words crown guard meant.
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And so here we are.
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The one good thing it has going for it,
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and this is something we discussed on past shows,
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is like, well, could Apple ever make a watch like this?
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'Cause most watches like this,
00:54:06
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you wanna do things with,
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I wanna do my splits when I'm doing a long race.
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They'd have to have more buttons, right?
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more than just the wheel and the button.
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And hey, they added another button to this
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because it's a giant watch and they have room for it
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and it's a programmable button or will be anyway.
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So apps can incorporate what that button does.
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That's a great idea, Apple.
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I bet some of your other watches
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could also benefit from additional button
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but they're not quite ready to go there.
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I mean, Casio digital watches from my childhood
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had four buttons on them, maybe even five,
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although one of them had these little pins.
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Right, and they didn't have a crown
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because they were digital watches.
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Anyway, I do think there is significant room
00:54:44
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for innovation in the watch space,
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and this weirdo watch shows that Apple is willing
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to go there a little bit, and I applaud that.
00:54:52
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- Well, and first of all, some quick updates
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for those less nerdy in the watch world.
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Panerai does sell multiple watch families,
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some of which have the giant crown guard,
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some of which have no crown guard,
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and some of which go down to 38 millimeters, Casey.
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Anyway. (laughs)
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- Oh, don't tell me this.
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So as I'm listening to you, I'm browsing the Panerai site,
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and I love the look of these so much,
00:55:13
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but as soon as I start looking at prices,
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I'm immediately, you know, okay, I'm out.
00:55:17
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But out of curiosity, I was like, okay,
00:55:18
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let me scroll down on the Luminor series,
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which is what I consider to be quintessential Panerai,
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maybe I'm dead wrong about that, but anyways,
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I scroll all the way down to the bottom,
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the Luminor Torbillion GMT.
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- Oh, God, you're killing me.
00:55:32
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- Wait, what is it, how am I supposed to pronounce it?
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No, I don't know, I'm ignorant, tell me.
00:55:37
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Okay, so tell me, I don't know.
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- Well, it's a French word,
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so I'm probably gonna butcher it too,
00:55:40
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but it's closer to Tourbillon than what you said.
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Well, the Luminor T, GMT.
00:55:47
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Anyway, the point I'm driving at.
00:55:49
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- Those are usually like, what, 100 grand?
00:55:50
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- $180,000 for a friggin' watch.
00:55:53
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And by the way-- - Yeah, Tourbillons are like
00:55:54
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the watch world's ridiculous crown jewel thing.
00:55:57
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Nobody wears this. - Hold on, though.
00:56:00
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Excluding sales tax.
00:56:03
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They're so good looking.
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This particular one is eh, but they're so good looking.
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- No, at most Panerais, you're gonna be looking at
00:56:09
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six to 10 grand, which is a lot, but you know,
00:56:11
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that's, anyway, that's what they are.
00:56:12
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- And none of them will ever be bumped into any surface
00:56:14
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such that that crown guard does anything for you.
00:56:16
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- No, no, the crown guard is purely historical/fashion.
00:56:19
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Anyway, so there's that.
00:56:21
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But also, you know, Jon, you mentioned like, you know,
00:56:23
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why they still have the crown.
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They told you right there in the presentation,
00:56:27
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and you just said it yourself, when you're wearing gloves,
00:56:29
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or if you're underwater, like, it's really nice to have
00:56:32
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non-touchscreen input methods on this device,
00:56:35
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because as something that's based so much on activity,
00:56:39
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There are lots of cases where you either can't use
00:56:42
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a touch screen or it's really inconvenient
00:56:43
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to use a touch screen or it's imprecise to use a touch screen
00:56:46
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so adding the action button which is the coolest name
00:56:49
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they came up with for the next 20 minutes
00:56:52
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and the fact that it's orange looks awesome,
00:56:54
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like I love that, I wish they offered these orange accents
00:56:57
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and the other watches, anyway,
00:56:59
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like they're adding these things because
00:57:03
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when you're in a lot of these situations or activities
00:57:05
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that they wanna sell this into,
00:57:07
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It sucks using a touchscreen, or you can't.
00:57:09
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So that's great.
00:57:11
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- But there are other choices.
00:57:12
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Like the digital crown is because watches
00:57:13
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have little winders on them.
00:57:14
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Like that's why.
00:57:15
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If you were faced with a blank sheet of paper
00:57:16
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and said I need a watch that I can use with gloves on
00:57:19
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and it's gonna have a touchscreen
00:57:20
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but you might not be able to use a touchscreen,
00:57:21
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so many other solutions involving levers
00:57:24
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or like an up and down button
00:57:26
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or like a thing that you pull,
00:57:28
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like things that could be more resilient.
00:57:29
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Because this, I mean the crown guard
00:57:31
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doesn't guard the whole crown.
00:57:32
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Parts of it are still sticking out
00:57:34
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so you can reach them with your fingers
00:57:35
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and that could catch on something.
00:57:36
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There are better, more durable solutions that involve
00:57:39
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like a lump that you could yank or pull
00:57:41
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or a small thing sticking out
00:57:43
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if you just wanted to have an up and down type thing.
00:57:45
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But they are constrained by history
00:57:47
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and by their choice to use it as an interface element.
00:57:48
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And truly, this is a better interface element
00:57:51
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than any kind of lever or thing or whatever
00:57:53
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for most cases when you're not wearing gloves.
00:57:55
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So I don't think it's necessarily the wrong choice,
00:57:57
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but it is not a blank sheet of paper.
00:58:00
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I don't know anything about the competing Garmin things
00:58:04
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or whatever, but how many of them lean so heavily
00:58:06
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the digital crown is the Apple one. I would imagine not as many. All right, anything else
00:58:11
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on the Ultra band compatibility, which were some people were worried about from the rumors.
00:58:16
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It's not like there's special bands to the ultra. It's the same bands that would fit
00:58:20
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the other big Apple watches. Oh, I didn't realize that. I don't think they stated that
00:58:23
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in the show. It's actually more complicated than you would think. Like I put this little
00:58:26
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screenshot from Apple's website because they do have the smaller bands like the 40. What
00:58:30
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it says is the 41 millimeter bands work with a 38 and 40 millimeter cases. The 45 millimeter
00:58:34
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bands work with the 42, 44, and 49mm cases, but the braided solo loop bands are only compatible
00:58:40
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with the SE and the series are newer.
00:58:44
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The point is, this does not introduce a new band category.
00:58:47
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Of course it introduces many new bands, and you probably want one of these cool rugged
00:58:50
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outdoorsy ones, so that's a separate issue, but they continue to not break compatibility.
00:58:56
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So if you have way way way too much money invested in Apple Watch bands as long as you
00:59:00
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are on in the large size class you can still reuse your stuff. Also one one
00:59:05
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thing that I hope the Apple Watch Ultra does is be the proven ground for
00:59:11
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technologies and improvements that then get filtered down to the lower end models
00:59:16
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in the future. So for instance you know obviously yeah having another button
00:59:19
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would be great I would love that having buttons like you know one issue I face
00:59:23
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frequently is if I'm wearing weightlifting gloves they have this big
00:59:29
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like flap this Velcro thing that's right next
00:59:31
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to where my watch crown and sleep button are,
00:59:34
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and in certain wrist positions,
00:59:35
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it's easy for that glove to inadvertently
00:59:37
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depress that button.
00:59:38
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And so having some kind of light crown guarding
00:59:42
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around the regular Apple Watch buttons,
00:59:44
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I actually might use that.
00:59:46
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Also, the hardware features.
00:59:48
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They mentioned that the Apple Watch Ultra
00:59:51
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has this new dual frequency GPS module,
00:59:54
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where there's apparently a new GPS frequency called L5
00:59:57
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that I was not aware of.
00:59:58
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I'll have to look into it for next week's show.
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But they now use dual GPS frequencies, L1 and L5,
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plus, quote, custom algorithms
01:00:08
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to have much better GPS accuracy, especially in cities,
01:00:11
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than any other, quote, any other sport watch on the market.
01:00:14
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I don't know how it compares to what phones have,
01:00:17
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but that would be nice to see on everything that has GPS,
01:00:20
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on our phones, on our watches.
01:00:21
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So again, maybe this can be the proving ground
01:00:24
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for new technologies, the same way like, you know,
01:00:26
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Halo cars are that for car makers,
01:00:28
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and then maybe some of this trickles down
01:00:30
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to the other models in the future.
01:00:32
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- Yeah, another interesting thing, speaking of Halo stuff,
01:00:34
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is I mean, this is, I'm assuming,
01:00:36
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straight out of the real watch world, intentionally or not,
01:00:39
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the whole fact that you can use it as a dive computer,
01:00:41
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right, and they partnered with that dive computer company,
01:00:43
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and like, you actually, you could use it as your wristwatch,
01:00:45
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it does all the things you need a dive wristwatch to do,
01:00:47
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and it's, you know, it can go down
01:00:49
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and really deep in the water,
01:00:50
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much deeper than any other watch,
01:00:51
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and it's got this application
01:00:52
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that gives you all the dive info that you need,
01:00:54
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which I didn't know anything about, it's not a diver,
01:00:57
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how many people are going to ever dive with this watch?
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Very, very few, just like how many people
01:01:01
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are ever going to dive with a, you know,
01:01:04
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go on a submarine with their Submariner.
01:01:06
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Like, you buy it, not be, you know,
01:01:08
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yes, the people who are gonna dive with it
01:01:10
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are gonna then compare it against
01:01:12
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the competing diving watches,
01:01:13
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but there are so few people in the world
01:01:15
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who do that, relatively speaking,
01:01:16
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in terms of the number of total Apple watches sold.
01:01:19
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But other people like the idea that they have a watch
01:01:23
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that they could dive with,
01:01:25
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and then they're gonna dive with it.
01:01:26
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It's like the SUV that never goes off-road.
01:01:29
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They just like the idea that it could,
01:01:30
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in the same way that people would compare watches to,
01:01:33
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you know, it's whatever, the depth that it's good for.
01:01:35
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It's like, oh, how deep have you been?
01:01:36
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Well, I went in the low end of the pool at the hotel once.
01:01:39
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Right? (laughing)
01:01:41
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It's not, it's aspirational, right?
01:01:43
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And that's part of the message of this watch,
01:01:45
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you know, and you were watching it, Margot,
01:01:47
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the thing you were making comments about,
01:01:48
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how your life is not exciting enough for this watch.
01:01:50
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That's the whole point.
01:01:51
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They show the people running the ultra marathon,
01:01:53
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climbing the mountain, right, diving under the sea.
01:01:56
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You know, a tiny, tiny fraction of the people
01:01:59
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who buy this watch are ever gonna do it,
01:02:01
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but everybody who buys this watch
01:02:02
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likes the idea of those activities.
01:02:05
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You know, so even if they never don't kid themselves
01:02:08
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that they're ever gonna do them,
01:02:09
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it's just, it's the same reason, you know,
01:02:11
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you'd buy like a fast car.
01:02:12
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Like, you ever gonna drive fast?
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You ever gonna go 200 miles per hour?
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No, you just like it because it's a cool thing
01:02:18
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that could go 200 miles an hour, right?
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And so this watch could go into the ocean,
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could go up Mount Everest even if you never do.
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- And by the way, real time follow up,
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friends of the show, Ryan Jones has reminded me
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that there's a pretty good reason
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why they didn't call this the Apple Watch Explorer,
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that there's a small watch company
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that already has been selling a model called Explorer
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for about 70 years called Rolex.
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So there might be a trademark issue there,
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so I'm guessing that Apple Watch Explorer
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can never be a model name.
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- It's also a worse name.
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I still don't think it's a name.
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- It's a much better name, but they can't use it.
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- It's not an Apple-y name, right?
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Ultra for all sports is a modern Apple name.
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I mean, extreme would have been the obvious choice, right?
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'Cause they even talked about extreme sports or whatever.
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And that makes perfect sense to me.
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It looks like an extreme version of it,
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but I guess they didn't go with extreme either.
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- What are you gonna do?
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- That was, they would use that from the era
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where they did quartz extreme.
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Either one of you remember what that was?
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- Yeah. - I'm aware of that
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as being a thing, but I think that was before.
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- But that's far from the marketing department.
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I do wonder how much the marketing department
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gets involved in like,
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here's what we're gonna call this new framework or API.
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Like, I guess they get involved at some point,
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But back in the course extreme days, who knows.
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- Let me tell you a short story.
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I was a devoted AirPods fan since the originals came out.
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I had, I think, one pair of the original original ones, and then I got a pair with the Qi charging
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case of memory serves, and then this past Christmas, Aaron got me AirPods Pro for Christmas.
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And I love these darn things even more than I loved my original AirPods, which is saying
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something because they are, up until maybe this laptop, they're my favorite Apple product
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in many, many years.
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And I really selfishly, completely selfishly,
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did not wanna know anything about new AirPods today,
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'cause I like my AirPods Pro,
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and I don't want them to be old
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and busted pieces of garbage,
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and man, they are old and busted pieces of garbage now.
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- I was gonna say, that makes one of us
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who didn't wanna hear about this,
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'cause as my original, like, you know,
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day, like week one AirPod Pros,
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the battery is not in great shape.
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And so I was really hoping about this,
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So to me this is great news.
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And Tiff and I, because she also has early AirPod Pros
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and have also, she's like, they barely work anymore.
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So like, this definitely got like the most excitement
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from our family to jump on this
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as soon as we can possibly order it.
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- Yeah, no, I don't blame you.
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And again, I'm being selfish and I'm mostly kidding.
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Like these look super cool.
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I just, I love my AirPods Pro, the ones I have so much.
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And to just crank it up to 11, that's a reference, Jon,
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That just strikes me as, these are gonna be amazing.
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Now I personally am going to attempt to hold out
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and not upgrade quite yet,
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because it seems pretty wasteful even though
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I'm really digging on a lot of stuff
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they're talking about here.
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So what are they talking about?
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They're talking about a new H2 chip
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with high bandwidth connectivity.
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They have a new low distortion audio driver in custom amp.
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They talked about personalized spatial audio,
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which I did not think was unique to these, is it?
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I thought we could do that with--
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- It's kinda not.
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That's kind of an iOS feature.
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- Right, that's what I thought.
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- Spatial audio is the feature,
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and lots of their products support spatial audio.
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And the thing they were advertising
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doesn't have anything specific due to the AirPods,
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because like, hey, you can hold your phone up to your ear.
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We talked about this before with iOS 16.
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You can hold your phone up to your ear,
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and the TrueDepth camera will get a picture of your ear,
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and will try to give you a custom head-related
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transfer function that makes spatial audio sound
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right according to the shape of your ears.
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And you may be thinking, well,
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what does the shape of my ears have to do with anything?
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AirPods Pro go jammed into my little ear hole.
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Like there, it doesn't,
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the sound never even touches the outside of my ear.
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Ah, but what they're trying to do is know what shape
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the outside of your ear is,
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so they know what kind of sound to shove into your ear hole
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to fool into thinking that sound bounced off your
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weird shaped ear and everything, right?
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So that's, that's the thing they're doing here.
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And that I think is basically a feature of iOS 16,
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but they wanted to show it here because it looks cool.
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- So active noise cancellation,
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which is what possibly my favorite feeling,
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I love the AirPods Pro for two reasons.
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One, I genuinely think they sound way better.
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And number two, the active noise cancellation is so nice.
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And they are saying that in the new AirPods Pro 2,
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the ANC is twice as much noise canceled,
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which is super duper cool.
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They also have something,
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I think I'm skipping ahead a little bit,
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what do they call it?
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Adaptive transparency, I believe.
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Let's say you wanna be in transparency mode
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where you can hear things that are happening around you,
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but you don't want to hear a jackhammer that's right nearby.
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Well, they have this new thing called adaptive transparency,
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where it samples at like 48,000 hertz,
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and it will try to make something like a jackhammer
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or a train or something like that.
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They will cancel just that out
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and leave everything else behind so you can hear it,
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which I think is super duper cool.
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They also said that they have large, medium, small,
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and now extra small tips
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if you have a particularly small ear hole, which is cool.
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Longer battery life.
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Another thing that I think is super neat,
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and I had to do something like this very recently,
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I had lost my AirPods Pro in the house.
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I knew for sure they were in the house,
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'cause I had just used them like an hour or two ago,
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but I put them somewhere dumb.
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And I realized, wait a second,
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I think I might be able to do this on Find My,
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and I did, and not only that,
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but apparently the AirPods Pro have whatever,
01:09:22
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what is it, the ultra wide band or something,
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what is the thing I'm thinking of
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where you can do the homing beacon mode?
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- The U1, the U1 Japan.
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- Okay, so anyway, so I was able to do that,
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Now granted, it took me like a lap around the house
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before I got close enough to them for that thing to work.
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But then, you know, I could point my phone
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and twist around and it would say,
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no, it's to the right, to the left, and then I'd stop.
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Okay, go straight ahead.
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You know, three feet, two feet, one feet, there it is.
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Well, that obviously still exists in the AirPods Pro 2,
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but what's even cooler is the case has a speaker on it,
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which is super awesome.
01:09:52
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So you can say, hey, I need you to play a sound,
01:09:55
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and the case is what plays the sound
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rather than the earbuds, and of course, the earbuds.
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- Doesn't the existing case have a speaker on it too?
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- I thought it just made the speaker louder.
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- I don't think so.
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- I believe it uses the speaker of the AirPods.
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- That's what I thought.
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- If the AirPods are in the case.
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- No, just keep in mind, the AirPod Pros
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are fairly old by this point.
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They were designed before the Find My network
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was really a thing.
01:10:18
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And I think all this stuff that we can do with them,
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having them play a little chirping noise and everything,
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that was all kind of hacked on later, it seemed.
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And so this is the first time we're getting this product
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designed from the start to be part of this ecosystem.
01:10:31
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- Yeah, so the speaker on the case can play noises,
01:10:34
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which I think is super awesome.
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You can use it with an Apple Watch charger,
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which in principle I really like.
01:10:39
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I don't think that's something I expect to do really ever,
01:10:43
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well, not that I'm planning on buying these right away.
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- That was a happy surprise though.
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I'm actually very pleased to see like you can charge it
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with lightning, not USB-C yet, but we'll get there,
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or MagSafe, or the Apple Watch charger, like great.
01:10:53
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Finally, like, you know, they're starting to realize like,
01:10:55
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hey, you know what, having these chargers,
01:10:58
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like the Apple iCharger that can only do one thing
01:11:00
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is kind of annoying. (laughs)
01:11:02
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And so, as long as we're stuck with it,
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let's give it more uses.
01:11:05
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- Yep, couldn't agree more.
01:11:07
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Then everyone noticed, including me,
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like something that looked almost like,
01:11:11
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what is the smart connector on the back of the iPad?
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Is that what I'm thinking of?
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There was something on the side of the case,
01:11:15
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and everyone was like, what the hell is this?
01:11:17
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Well, apparently you can get an optional loop
01:11:20
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that magnetically attaches to the case
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on the side of the case,
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and that's what that little connector was.
01:11:24
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Not something for me, but again, I think that's cool that it's an option.
01:11:28
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There are 250 bucks, you can order them, what, this coming Friday, available on or around
01:11:34
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They said you can do free engraving, you know, whatever, including the Moji, which, not for
01:11:39
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me, but I think that's cool that they allow it.
01:11:42
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And I'm really digging these.
01:11:43
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If somebody wants to buy a pair for me, please feel free, but instead you should go to stjude.org/etp.
01:11:48
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But nevertheless, if you had that much money, you can send them my way, because I'm too
01:11:52
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cheap to buy ones that to replace my nine-month-old ones that I love so much
01:11:56
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but there was also something else that happened during the segment John I
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presume you were the first one to spot this of the three of us no I think I
01:12:04
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didn't spot it when I was too busy Oh Tiff spotted things yeah a bunch of
01:12:09
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people spotted it at this point so I did not in the background while the person
01:12:12
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who was presenting the Apple watch while Mary Ann was like walking around and
01:12:15
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going through like the scenery and saying this Apple watch she like comes
01:12:19
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out of a subway car and then the person who walks onto the subway car standing on the
01:12:22
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platform as she goes by or whatever is a character from one of the Apple TV+ shows, the television
01:12:28
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show Severance, which is pretty cool, you should check it out. That was sort of a stealth
01:12:33
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promo for that show, which would be slightly less stealth later in the program.
01:12:38
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One of the little details that I took note of is that what they said during AirPods Pro's
01:12:43
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presentation was that they were "our most popular AirPods." That surprised me.
01:12:48
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"Oh, I missed that. I did not catch that at all."
01:12:51
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- So one of the features these have
01:12:53
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with the swipe for volume control,
01:12:55
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I thought when they were doing this part,
01:12:56
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I thought when they were doing this part,
01:12:57
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I'm like, "Are they gonna do it?
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Are they gonna make them so you can tap them?"
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No, they didn't make them so you can tap them.
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But maybe they'll get there eventually.
01:13:04
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But anyway, the whole idea that you could rub your finger
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on the side of the little stem and change the volume
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is something we've been talking about
01:13:09
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since the very first AirPods.
01:13:12
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Because it's like, "Oh, these AirPods,
01:13:13
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but how do you change the volume on them?"
01:13:14
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Oh, you can use Siri to do it,
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or you'll do it on your phone or whatever,
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and they just never really tackled that problem
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and now they're finally doing it.
01:13:21
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And when we were talking about it,
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lots of people would say,
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"Oh, that would be a bad interface
01:13:25
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"because it would be very awkward and difficult to do."
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Well, now we're gonna find out
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because they added it and the stem is even shorter
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than it was, much shorter than it was
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on the original AirPods.
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And maybe it can be disabled if it's awkward or whatever,
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but we'll see how it goes.
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I imagine it's very conservative
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so you don't accidentally brush your hand against it
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and blow your eardrums out
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because you made the volume go too high.
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But I would love this on my non-sealed AirPods,
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like whatever the regular AirPods version four,
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would love to try a volume control like that
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because very often I want to adjust the volume
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by some small amount,
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but I don't wanna walk into the other room
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and do it on my phone where the phone is,
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and I don't wanna have to try to make Siri do it
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'cause it just never works for me and it stops whenever.
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So I totally endorse that feature.
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I would also endorse the idea
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that you could tap it to stop and start.
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I feel like there's gotta be room in there
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for them to do this, maybe when they eventually go stemless,
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they'll do that.
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- Yeah, I can't believe I forgot to talk about that
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because the swipe for volume strikes me as so convenient.
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I agree with you that maybe it'll turn out not so great,
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but in principle anyway, before I've tried it,
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it strikes me as so awesome
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and such a great, great, great upgrade.
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- One more thing about the high bandwidth connectivity
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that you mentioned before,
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they didn't really talk much about that
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after they just tossed it out there, right?
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And so like, what do they mean by that?
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Like as far as we've been able to determine
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based on public filings and stuff or whatever.
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It's just like a higher bandwidth mode of Bluetooth.
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It's not like ultra wide band or anything as far as we know.
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Like the regular Bluetooth is three megabits
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and then this is like a four and an eight megabit mode.
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So considerably more bandwidth.
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But what do they use that bandwidth for?
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Again, they didn't attribute anything to that bandwidth.
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One thing that they can obviously use it for
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is that it extends battery life
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because when you're sending the compressed audio
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or whatever, you can spend less time sending it, right?
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Given the same size buffer that you're going to keep, right?
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So you can send and let it play
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and then send and let it play or whatever.
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And so that leaves more time for you to retransmit
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if it didn't get sent correctly the first time.
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And you're spending less of your time sending and receiving,
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again, given a fixed size buffer on either end of the thing.
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So some of the battery life benefit
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may be attributed to the high bandwidth.
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Another thing they talked about, which I,
01:15:38
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the feature, I wish I had this feature on my AirPods as well,
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having two things.
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One, I think this is an iOS 16 thing,
01:15:45
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maybe it does apply to the old AirPods,
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having your AirPods connected to two things at once,
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so you could have your AirPods connected to your phone
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and your Mac at the same time.
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I don't think that's an AirPods Pro feature,
01:15:53
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I think it's just an iOS 16 feature,
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am I correct about that?
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- I don't remember, but I mean, right now,
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they certainly can flip-flop between different devices
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pretty easily if you so desire.
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- No, but just having it connected to both at the same time.
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And the other one that they talked about, I think,
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in the context of the AirPods Pro was
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having multiple people's AirPods
01:16:10
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connected to a single device.
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So if you're watching something on a plane on your iPad
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and you want you to wear your AirPods
01:16:16
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and your wife to wear her AirPods
01:16:17
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and you both wanna watch the movie at the same time,
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does the extra bandwidth help with that?
01:16:21
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Is it totally orthogonal?
01:16:23
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I don't know, but these are all features
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that I think are great and I think everyone
01:16:26
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has wanted for a long time.
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You still can't do that with the current ones, right?
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Like this is a new feature?
01:16:31
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- Well, 'cause it was weird, 'cause so Apple did their own
01:16:34
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like kinda share stuff to multiple Bluetooth headphones
01:16:36
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thing first and then later on that became part
01:16:40
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of the Bluetooth standard with the most modern audio
01:16:43
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standard and everything.
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So now other headphones can do that as well.
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But I don't know how they ever,
01:16:48
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if they ever went back and replaced it, I don't know.
01:16:51
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- Oh, and I misspoke earlier, real-time follow-up.
01:16:53
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The lanyard I thought was magnetic.
01:16:56
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Looking at this again, it's not.
01:16:57
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You threw it out. - Oh yeah, I was gonna say
01:16:59
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it's just a hole.
01:16:59
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It's the hole that you put a string through.
01:17:02
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Oh, these AirPods Pro, they look super awesome.
01:17:03
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And we'll see if I have the self-control not to buy some.
01:17:07
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But I haven't yet.
01:17:08
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- Yeah, I want all these features, obviously,
01:17:11
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except for the ones that can't have noise canceling
01:17:12
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'cause it doesn't make sense.
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I want all of them on the non-earhole AirPods ASAP.
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Finally, it is iPhone time.
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We start with the 14 and the 14 Plus.
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They are 6.1 inches and 6.7 inches,
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which is the same size as the 13 Pro, right?
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Or the 13 Pro and Pro Max.
01:19:25
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Am I right about that?
01:19:26
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- I mean, yes, the screen sizes are the same,
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but as we'll get to in a little bit
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when we talk about the Pros,
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I'm not entirely sure that the phone size
01:19:35
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is down to the millimeter the same as the 13.
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The phone, well the screens have also gotten
01:19:42
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very slightly larger, but it's,
01:19:46
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we're talking like a few pixels larger.
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It's not a big amount.
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The phone, the measurements of the Pro phones,
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they have also got, like their footprint
01:19:55
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has actually gotten very slightly bigger,
01:19:57
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but it's a very, very small difference.
01:20:00
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- And I think they might have changed the radius
01:20:01
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on the curves too.
01:20:02
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Someone had a screenshot of like the old phone
01:20:04
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versus the new phone going back and forth
01:20:06
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and made it look like that.
01:20:06
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Hard to tell, but it'll be interesting
01:20:08
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when people get these phones,
01:20:09
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like lay a 14 on top of a 13,
01:20:11
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lay a 14 Pro on top of a 13 Pro
01:20:13
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if you can figure out how to arrange
01:20:14
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the stupid camera things
01:20:16
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to see what the differences actually are.
01:20:17
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They're very, very, very close it seems like,
01:20:19
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but not exact.
01:20:21
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- Yep, so we've got 14, 14 Plus in Midnight,
01:20:23
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Starlight Blue, Purple in Product Red.
01:20:25
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Now they specifically said the 14 Plus
01:20:27
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is the best battery life ever on an iPhone.
01:20:29
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And I don't believe they corrected that for the 14 Pro
01:20:31
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as far as I'm aware.
01:20:32
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So that's cool.
01:20:34
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It does have the A15 from the iPhone 13 Pro.
01:20:39
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I think I got that right.
01:20:41
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- But with all the parts that work,
01:20:43
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'cause I think if on the original,
01:20:45
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well, yeah, that's why I say it from the iPhone 13 Pro,
01:20:47
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'cause if you remember the iPhone 13,
01:20:49
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you'd get one in like one of the GPU cores didn't work.
01:20:51
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I think it was like a five core GPU instead of a six.
01:20:53
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And I think all the A15s in the iPhone 14
01:20:56
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will be all the parts working.
01:20:58
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- Yeah, I loved the way they did this.
01:21:01
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This is such a wonderful marketing BS kind of thing
01:21:06
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where they have this marketing problem
01:21:09
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where this is the first iPhone to not upgrade the chip
01:21:13
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from the one before it.
01:21:15
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And so instead of burying that and hoping nobody noticed,
01:21:20
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they attempted to turn it into a feature.
01:21:23
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I think unsuccessfully, 'cause none of us were fooled,
01:21:25
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but they attempted to spend a little bit of time
01:21:27
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talking about how this new, I love the line they said,
01:21:32
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quote, "Now we are bringing this proven pro-level
01:21:35
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"performance to iPhone 14."
01:21:38
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Not saying that, you know, the iPhone 13,
01:21:42
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they're bringing the performance of the iPhone 13 Pro
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to the iPhone 14.
01:21:47
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Well, the iPhone 13 non-pro had like 85% of it,
01:21:52
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It's so-- that was a wonderful--
01:21:55
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That's not the pro performance that they're bringing.
01:21:57
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They're not bringing a non-pro performance
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where one of your GPU cores doesn't work.
01:22:00
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And I think that's literally the only difference.
01:22:02
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The only difference was one GPU core didn't work,
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and now all of them will.
01:22:06
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Yeah, as far as I know, that's the only difference.
01:22:08
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So quite a wonderful bit of marketing
01:22:12
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there from Apple attempting to spin this as something
01:22:14
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besides like, yeah, there is now just more difference
01:22:17
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between the pro and the non-pro.
01:22:20
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- And speaking of battery life, I'm kind of surprised
01:22:23
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that they didn't make the connection between the removal
01:22:25
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of the SIM, which we'll get to in a little bit,
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and the battery life, because that's gotta be a factor,
01:22:29
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right, I mean the SIM takes up room,
01:22:31
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room that could be taken up, you know,
01:22:32
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that you can use to rearrange stuff to put more battery in,
01:22:35
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and I'm assuming they did that,
01:22:36
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we'll see when they tear them down,
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but I'm guessing that they spent some of that savings
01:22:41
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on a bigger battery.
01:22:43
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- Yeah, presumably.
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And also, and like, you know, if they're using the,
01:22:46
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if using like the, you know, similar size battery
01:22:48
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between the regular 14s and the 14 Pros.
01:22:52
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Well, the 14 Pros have this much larger power demand
01:22:56
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of this new always-on screen thing.
01:22:58
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And so, of course, the Pros are gonna get less battery life
01:23:01
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for the same size batteries as the non-Pros.
01:23:04
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- And the A16 probably is more power-thirsty than the A15.
01:23:09
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- All right, so there is a new camera.
01:23:11
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They started calling it the main camera,
01:23:14
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which is a change from the,
01:23:15
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what did they call it, the wide camera?
01:23:16
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- They used to call it wide.
01:23:18
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thank God they made this change.
01:23:19
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- Nobody understood what that was.
01:23:22
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- 'Cause once they started adding the ultra wide,
01:23:24
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and it's okay, well if you say the wide camera,
01:23:26
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a lot of people are gonna assume you mean the 0.5x1,
01:23:28
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not the 1x1, so now everywhere they've renamed
01:23:32
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the 1x1 to main, so whether they're talking
01:23:35
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about the main camera, or later on when they get,
01:23:37
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when they're fake 2x thing, they refer to the main lens,
01:23:41
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so it's all main, which is a much, much better name.
01:23:44
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- Although it's kind of interesting that to this point,
01:23:47
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all of the diameter of the circles in the back of the phone
01:23:50
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have been uniform on a given phone, right?
01:23:54
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So the main camera is not from looking at the circle
01:23:57
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on the outside bigger than the non-main cameras, right?
01:24:01
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Underneath the covers, obviously the sensors
01:24:03
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and everything else and the mechanisms are different,
01:24:05
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but they've kept the circles the same size.
01:24:07
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And it's kind of, yeah, main camera is a better name,
01:24:10
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but it's kind of academic in that the only place
01:24:13
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this manifests is in the UI, and in the UI,
01:24:15
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it's not called main, it's called 1x, you know, 0.5x.
01:24:20
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So if you ask someone,
01:24:22
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if you showed them the back of their phone
01:24:23
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and said point to the main camera,
01:24:25
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no one has any idea which one it is, right?
01:24:27
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Why would you know, why would you care?
01:24:28
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It's all in the UI and the UI is numbers, not words.
01:24:32
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- So they did make mention briefly of the fact
01:24:35
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that three trillion, with a T,
01:24:37
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photos were taken with the iPhone in the last year,
01:24:40
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which I thought was bananas.
01:24:42
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But anyways, it is a 12 megapixel main camera, F1.5,
01:24:46
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with sensor shift optical image stabilization.
01:24:49
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Apparently a nearly 50% low-light improvement.
01:24:53
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There's a 38% improvement in low-light
01:24:55
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with the TrueDepth camera, that's the front camera,
01:24:57
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if I'm not mistaken, and F1.9.
01:24:58
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It also has autofocus for the first time.
01:25:01
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DeepFusion is now being applied earlier in the process
01:25:03
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on uncompressed images, so hopefully
01:25:05
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that'll make things look a lot better.
01:25:07
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They announced, and this is the beginning
01:25:09
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of really dodgy names, the Photonic Engine, which is an enhanced image pipeline to dramatically
01:25:15
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improve low-light photos and goes beyond what hardware alone can provide, which the name
01:25:20
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is a little meh.
01:25:21
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But nevertheless, they claim 2x low-light improvement on front and the ultra-wide cameras
01:25:25
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and a 2.5x improvement on the main camera.
01:25:28
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Additionally, they have a, for the video portion, they have Action Mode, which is a more advanced
01:25:34
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stabilization mode, and they have more overscan.
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So I don't remember if they were doing this before or not, but my understanding is, and
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this is certainly how I believe the GoPro tends to work, is when you film, you're not
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using the entirety of the frame that the sensor is capturing.
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And that means as you're jostling the camera and thus the sensor around, you can, with
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software, move what portion of that frame is being saved to offset the motion of the
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physical device.
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So they have more overscan,
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they have more movement correction,
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and they specifically said,
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without having to carry any extra gear like a gimbal,
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which I've done from time to time
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and I can assure you is not fun.
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So camera improvements,
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definitely camera improvements not quite as monumental
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as the pros, which we'll get to in a minute.
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I am tentatively very annoyed
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by the next thing they talked about,
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which is there is no SIM tray,
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except in a couple of countries,
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there is no SIM tray in the iPhone 14 line,
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including the pros, instead it is all eSIM all the time.
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And that in and of itself, I think is probably good
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and probably an improvement.
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The thing I don't like though, is that when I was on AT&T,
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and if you recall I switched to Verizon recently
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so I can use my ultra wide band park bench/picnic table.
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With AT&T-- - But you're now
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on the Verizon 5G nationwide ultra fast,
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ultra wide band, ultra everything network?
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- Do you know what, son of a gun it is.
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But anyway, with AT&T, I would take a physical SIM
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from phone to phone to phone to phone,
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and AT&T anyway would never charge me the $30 tax
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in order to switch phones, because I was just moving a SIM.
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That's all I was doing, and they were none the wiser.
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I mean, I think they literally did know
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that it was a different phone,
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but they never charged me for it.
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I don't know what Verizon would have or did do in the past,
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but I was planning on hoping,
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and I was hoping that I was going to take my SIM
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out of my 13 Pro and move it into a 14 Pro.
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And I specifically, when I got the Verizon account,
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when I moved to Verizon, I was asked,
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"Do you want NEESIM?"
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And I was like, "No, no, no, I'll take a physical SIM,
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"please, so I can move it into my next phone."
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And the guy I was talking to was like,
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"Oh, you sure it's a really nice time."
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And he said, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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"I'll take my physical SIM, thank you very much."
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- They want their 30 buck fee for whatever they're gonna do.
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- Are you trying to imply that the carriers
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don't charge people a fee when they move physical SIM?
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'Cause I feel like they would find a way to do that too.
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Maybe AT&T didn't, but...
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- I agree, but AT&T didn't.
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I think they are capable of charge,
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like any of these carriers are capable of charging a fee.
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I have no doubt that they know
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that they're different devices connected,
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but AT&T never did.
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Now it could be that when I did this in this fantasy world
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where the 14 Pro did have a physical SIM,
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maybe I would have moved the SIM
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and Verizon would have been like, "Ha ha!"
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So maybe I would have been charged anyway,
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but ignorance is less.
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And so I'm a little annoyed
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that now I don't even have the choice or the chance,
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But that being said, this is like me not being excited about the AirPods Pro, right?
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For every other person on the planet, this is probably an improvement.
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Not every other, because a lot of people are complaining who do international traveling.
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Oh, that's true.
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In some countries, eSIM is not a supported thing with the various carriers, and it was
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nice to be able to have one or possibly two SIM slots where you could just get a SIM card
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and shuffle it to whatever country you're in.
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This is a growing pains thing, though.
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Like eSIM is obviously the superior solution.
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It's silly that we have these little SIM cards.
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we have an electronic solution for it, but it's painful if the rest of the world has
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not caught up.
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whether that be companies having policies that are not as punitive in terms of charging
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your money to switch them, or just simply not supporting an uncertain carrier.
01:29:08
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so i think we're in for a couple of years or potentially more in various countries of
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pain as apple essentially forces the world to come to terms with esims because carriers
01:29:20
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do want iphone customers on their network because iphone customers by buying an iphone
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have proven they have money. The carriers want that money and so this will change over time. I'm
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glad the eSIM is coming but I'm also a little bit wary of what kind of cluster it's going to be
01:29:36
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during the transition to successfully get my phone activated and working. Hell, last time I think
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even with my physical SIM card I had trouble getting things up and going. There's nothing
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the carriers can't screw up but eSIM, like from a tech perspective, it's better if only because you
01:29:50
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you don't have to have a giant stupid slot in your phone
01:29:53
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taking up space that could be used
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for other things like batteries.
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So I give it a thumbs up even though it may be a pain.
01:29:59
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- And keep in mind, that slot also provides
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one more possible entry point for water.
01:30:03
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- That's exactly what I was about to say.
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Exactly. - Sorry.
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- No, no, no, it's all good.
01:30:07
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And yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.
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So in the grand scheme of things,
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as much as I'm whining about it right now,
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I do think it is for the best.
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I'm just very wary and I'm sure that I'm in for $60
01:30:17
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with the Verizon charges when I have them, you know,
01:30:20
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eSIM me or move my physical SIM to an eSIM
01:30:23
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and hopefully in a week in a few days.
01:30:25
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Moving on, crash detection, the car crash thing
01:30:27
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is coming to the phone, which is kind of nice.
01:30:29
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Also, we finally figured out, and this is, in my opinion,
01:30:33
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a pretty rare occurrence, Far Out actually did relate
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to something that they talked about,
01:30:37
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Far Out being the, you know, the tagline on the invites.
01:30:39
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- The titles always relate to something.
01:30:41
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They just relate in a boring way
01:30:42
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that no one cares about after the fact.
01:30:44
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Nevertheless, "new safety service," says Ashley Williams as she was presenting,
01:30:49
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and I think this is super freaking cool. Whether or not I ever use it, I think the tech is so neat.
01:30:56
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So they said, "Hey, you know, you could be in the middle of nowhere and you might want to call for
01:31:02
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your help. You know, you might want to call 911 if you're American or whatever the equivalent is
01:31:05
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in other countries. You might want to call somebody because you're hiking and you're by
01:31:09
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yourself and you broke your leg or something. So how do you do that if you don't have service?"
01:31:13
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Well, it turns out there's a bunch of satellites up in the sky that you could hypothetically talk to you
01:31:18
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But and I have seen I've talked about this in the past
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I've seen a satellite phone before now granted this was many years ago now, but it was huge
01:31:25
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The antenna was mammoth and it was not fun. It was not fun to hold so they said well, what do we do?
01:31:31
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Well, they specifically said that you need to have the iPhone pointed at a satellite, but the satellite is so far away
01:31:38
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You can't see it. So what do you do?
01:31:40
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Well, apparently Apple figured out that they could show you kind of like the, you know, homing beacon thing with the AirPods case
01:31:46
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I was talking about earlier. They can show you where you need to point your phone and tell you, "Alright,
01:31:51
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little's the left, little's the right, little's the left. Stop! Okay, right there.
01:31:55
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Hold it right there, and we're gonna send a text message to get you help."
01:31:58
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I think this is so cool. And they talked about how difficult it is to transmit data that far,
01:32:05
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I mean, obviously to transmit data that far away. And they said they came up with a custom compression
01:32:09
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algorithm to reduce the size of these like text messages by a factor of three and they were very
01:32:14
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proud that it takes less than 15 seconds to send a message when you have a clear view of the sky,
01:32:20
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mind you, but it might be a couple of minutes if you have like a really cloudy day or if you're
01:32:23
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under foliage or something like that. And that's so ridiculous to me, but also so cool that, you
01:32:29
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know, it only takes 15 seconds to send a message to outer space. It takes me more than 15 seconds
01:32:36
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- I'm not trying to send text messages to my children
01:32:38
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when I'm parked outside their high school,
01:32:39
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which is in a cell phone.
01:32:40
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- Right, I mean, I just think this is so cool.
01:32:43
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- And this is also a case where it helps to know
01:32:46
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a Garmin product that already exists
01:32:48
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to put this into context.
01:32:50
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- So modern satellite phones are actually very small
01:32:54
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and very capable.
01:32:56
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And I know this in part because our friend Underscore
01:32:58
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told me about them along, last year,
01:33:01
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but also in part because the reason I remembered it
01:33:04
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was that I live really close to New York City
01:33:08
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and a major world nuclear power started a war
01:33:13
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and I live on a remote island.
01:33:14
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And so I thought, hmm, it might be good
01:33:17
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to have some kind of backup satellite phone
01:33:20
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in case the one cell tower on our island
01:33:24
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doesn't work for some reason or--
01:33:26
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- Boy, so you got like an Iridium phone
01:33:27
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or whatever it's called?
01:33:28
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- So I got a Garmin InReach Mini 2
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And this thing is so small.
01:33:36
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So, and this is what this is competing against.
01:33:39
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But what's, so, by comparison, this is a device
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that it doesn't even have its own keyboard or anything.
01:33:47
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It pairs to an app on your phone over Bluetooth
01:33:50
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if you wanna actually type custom messages into it
01:33:52
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or upload contacts or whatever.
01:33:54
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But the thing, the main use it's for
01:33:57
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is just sending SOS messages or sending canned messages
01:34:01
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to your contacts and the thing costs like 400 bucks.
01:34:05
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Basic service is like 12 bucks a month.
01:34:06
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That's what you're looking at here.
01:34:08
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And this thing, it is pretty small.
01:34:11
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I mean, it's like, it's about the size of like two AirPods
01:34:14
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Pro cases plus a little nubby antenna that sticks up.
01:34:18
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And so that's what we're talking about.
01:34:19
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So the iPhone doesn't have this nubby antenna
01:34:22
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or the plastic enclosure around it or whatever else.
01:34:24
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And so this thing can connect to satellites
01:34:27
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within a very short time as long as you're,
01:34:30
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again, outside view of the sky.
01:34:32
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It can connect to satellites, it can send messages
01:34:36
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without having to do crazy, weird compression stuff.
01:34:38
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It's custom, it just connects directly to them
01:34:40
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and can send whatever message you want it to send
01:34:41
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and it doesn't take 15 seconds to send a message.
01:34:43
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But it is a dedicated device and it has this little
01:34:47
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nub antenna that sticks out of it.
01:34:48
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So for the iPhone to be talking to probably
01:34:52
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the same satellites with the same service running them,
01:34:56
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probably, for the iPhone to do it without an external
01:34:59
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antenna and without being a dedicated device
01:35:02
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dedicated solely to this function.
01:35:04
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- And without paying $12 a month,
01:35:06
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at least for the first two years.
01:35:06
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- And without paying $12 a month for, yeah,
01:35:08
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and then there's the big question mark of,
01:35:10
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two years free with iPhone 14, well then what?
01:35:13
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Anyway, we'll find out that later,
01:35:14
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I'm sure they probably haven't worked it out yet,
01:35:16
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but anyway, so these dedicated devices exist
01:35:19
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and are small and modern, this has a USB-C charging input,
01:35:23
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like it's a modern device, it already exists
01:35:26
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and it's great and if you pay more than the 12 bucks a month
01:35:29
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you can have much more capability on it too.
01:35:32
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Like unlimited messaging, all this other stuff.
01:35:34
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Stuff I don't need.
01:35:36
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But anyway, these devices already exist
01:35:39
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and they seem to do fine in the market
01:35:41
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and they seem to be pretty decent.
01:35:43
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Apple though is building in a admittedly much worse version
01:35:48
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but it'll still do the basics of like get you help
01:35:51
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if you need it.
01:35:52
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They're building them into every iPhone
01:35:54
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and you don't have to activate service to do it,
01:35:57
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it's just built in and it'll just come
01:35:59
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with every iPhone 14.
01:36:00
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That's amazing because this is the kind of product
01:36:03
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that you hope to never need
01:36:05
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and most people truly never need them.
01:36:08
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But there might be a time when you do.
01:36:10
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And if you didn't think ahead to buy one of these things
01:36:14
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and pay for its 12 bucks a month service forever,
01:36:17
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you wouldn't have this with you.
01:36:18
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Now, every iPhone owner with a 14 or greater phone
01:36:23
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will be able to do this.
01:36:25
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And so, again, think of life-saving options here.
01:36:29
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This is an incredible thing to have
01:36:32
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on every single iPhone of this generation forward.
01:36:35
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That's amazing.
01:36:36
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And even if it takes you 15 minutes to send your SOS message,
01:36:41
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that's still potentially really important
01:36:44
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and can make a pretty big difference in certain situations
01:36:46
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than not having any way at all to contact for help
01:36:49
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or having to walk a few miles to get cell service
01:36:53
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or whatever, like this is a major deal.
01:36:57
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And so yes, it is gonna be very limited.
01:36:59
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You're not gonna be browsing Instagram over this connection
01:37:01
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as we discussed last week.
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It's not that kind of thing.
01:37:05
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But if you need help in a pinch, you can get it.
01:37:09
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And that's fantastic.
01:37:10
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And that's something that, again,
01:37:12
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until Android phones catch up to this,
01:37:15
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that's a really big selling point for Apple.
01:37:18
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They're just, this is one more thing on the list
01:37:22
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of like, if you're worried at all about like,
01:37:24
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emergency preparedness or you know, certain risks,
01:37:28
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one more reason to stick with Apple.
01:37:30
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It's a smart move and it's a good move
01:37:33
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that will probably save lives.
01:37:35
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- You know, based on your explanation
01:37:36
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of why you got that Garmin thing,
01:37:38
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I feel like you're not really embracing your life
01:37:41
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as a New Yorker because people raised,
01:37:44
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maybe this is a bygone era,
01:37:46
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but if you're raised in the New York metro area
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during the Cold War, part of the ethos
01:37:51
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was, well, we don't have to worry about nuclear war
01:37:54
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because if it starts, we're all dead.
01:37:56
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So it's like, don't worry about preparedness
01:37:59
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or I might need a satellite phone.
01:38:01
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Like, look at the map, people.
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Draw the big circles from war games.
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It's something we don't have to worry about, it's like,
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'cause we're just plain dead.
01:38:07
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- No, but I did look at those circles.
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I went to like the nuke maps.
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This is a dark time.
01:38:12
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Like I went to that and I, you know,
01:38:14
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and you simulate, oh, what if like, you know,
01:38:16
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the Tsar Bomba or whatever and all these terrible outcomes.
01:38:20
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And no, it turns out like I'm not guaranteed dead,
01:38:23
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because I'm pretty far from the city here.
01:38:25
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In Westchester, I'm screwed.
01:38:27
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Because of the direction of the wind in Westchester,
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I'm totally dead.
01:38:30
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- You're dead there too, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
01:38:32
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It'll be slightly worse for you,
01:38:33
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you probably won't be instantly vaporized,
01:38:35
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but you're dead.
01:38:36
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It's like, you know how hard it is to get on and off
01:38:39
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the island in the best of circumstances?
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And as we established previously, you don't have a boat.
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- Nobody has a driving permit now, that's all he needs.
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A driving permit and an overpriced truck.
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Yeah, I think the island's traffic will defeat him in the best of times.
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The nuclear armageddon is not the best of times.
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You are not getting off the island that way.
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You are dead.
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But that's not to say you should have this phone, because the real reason this is a useful
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feature is not for that doomsday scenario, but hey, what if there's a hurricane, right?
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What if there's a flood?
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Those things are way more likely to happen, and unfortunately with climate change, increasingly
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likely to be endangering all of us.
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And so I think this feature is well timed to potentially save a few extra lives.
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Yeah, well, and also, you know, and again, like one of the reasons why I was happy to
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get this is like, you know, my family lives upstate in an area with no cell coverage.
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And frequently we are driving to their house.
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And so we often are driving through rural areas with no cell coverage.
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If we had, say, a car accident or an emergency, it would be nice to be able to call somebody
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to contact somebody for help outside of cell coverage.
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And like, you know, yeah, while our horrible, you know, nuclear war scenarios are hopefully
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much less likely to happen, people all the time are driving cars through areas with no
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cell coverage.
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That's a common everyday occurrence for tons of people.
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You know, for that kind of scenario, again, this is a major feature.
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I do wonder also what the deal was with, you know, whatever company they're paying to do
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this for two years' worth of service.
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Well, first of all, is it two years starting from today, or is it two years starting from
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from the time you buy your iPhone.
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That is not entirely clear to me.
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But anyway, it's not unlimited free forever,
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so there's some other shoe that may or may not drop
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in the future, maybe they'll come back to you just now
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and say, oh, actually it's free forever.
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But anyway, the feature that they put in there
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were like how we can press everything
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and how, you know, like there's essentially a wizard
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that you go through step by step that asks you
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the questions that someone on an emergency phone call
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would ask you, how many people are there,
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is anybody injured, you know,
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like all those type of things.
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It's asking you those questions
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so it can compose a few very short to the point sentences
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that it will send in one message,
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rather than the back and forth
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with the 16 minute route trade of each time,
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or you going help, 15 seconds.
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Who are you?
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I'm so and so, how many people are there?
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Is anybody in there?
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Like that back and forth would take forever.
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So it goes through the wizard and it, you know,
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and it didn't show you what it forms,
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presumably it forms a nice concise description.
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And my snarky tweet, which I think is a real true thing,
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is email clients should have this feature.
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So there's nothing worse than people
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can't write an email and they send an email
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with one question and it's like back and forth
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and back and forth and back,
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just say it all in one sentence.
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Here's who I am, here's what I want,
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here's all the information you're gonna need,
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here's what I'm looking for from you.
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It's like, well if you don't know how to send an email,
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it's the new version of Apple Mail.
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We'll have a wizard that will guide you
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through the process of sending an email
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with all the relevant information
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so you don't have to go back and forth 50 times
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with a three hour turnaround time each time
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because everybody's not at their computers.
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- It's the new clip, it's like,
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it looks like you're trying to invite somebody
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to an event, have you clearly communicated
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where this event is, when it is, what is required?
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Like who's invited, what you should bring with you,
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what is the dress code, what is the rain plant, anyway.
01:41:55
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So that's, but anyway, part of that is like,
01:41:57
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I do wonder if their deal is for some fixed amount
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or some maximum amount of data that will get sent.
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Obviously, people aren't gonna be using this recreationally,
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it doesn't have a use outside of the actual SOS scenarios,
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but Apple has to do some math and say,
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"Here's roughly the data that we expect to come
01:42:16
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"from all the iPhone users who buy these phones.
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"How many of them will ever need to use this?
01:42:20
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"When they use it, how much data will it take?"
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So they do that math and say,
01:42:22
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"Okay, we think it's gonna be X amount of data
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"and we're gonna pay you Y amount of money."
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And part of making that cheaper for Apple
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to pay for everybody's service
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is to make everybody send as little as possible.
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Now, maybe the Garmin thing also massively compresses data
01:42:34
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when it sends it, I don't know the deal,
01:42:36
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but this entire feature seems tuned
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to be efficient with people's time,
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'cause time is of the essence when you're in an SOS
01:42:44
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emergency type scenario, but also efficient with data,
01:42:47
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which probably helps Apple's bottom line.
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- There's something else interesting that they talked about,
01:42:52
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and I didn't get a clear understanding of it,
01:42:55
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but they said, it's free for the first two years,
01:42:59
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the text message wizard, it's available in November
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in the US and Canada, but they also said
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that it can relay both text and audio,
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which I was very surprised by,
01:43:06
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and they specifically said relay,
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and they showed this diagram of your iPhone talking to a satellite, talking to a ground station that receives data from the satellite,
01:43:14
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then it is connected to a relay center, and then that's connected to emergency services.
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And I'm not entirely clear what this relay center is doing,
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but the implication that I got from it, at least my limited understanding so far, is that that's run by Apple.
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Like, Apple is establishing these relay centers, or maybe it's just one big relay center somewhere,
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that's going to do this communication
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in between the emergency services
01:43:38
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and whatever satellite connection it is
01:43:40
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that's talking to the satellites to talk to you.
01:43:42
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- Yeah, my interpretation of that is that
01:43:45
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there are certain areas of the world
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where Apple can, or where the satellite company,
01:43:50
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or whoever is running this emergency program,
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can just send everything digitally,
01:43:53
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like for dispatching emergency services.
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And there's certain areas where they can't do that,
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and they have to like call 911,
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or call the local equivalent of that, or whatever,
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or call like a helicopter rescue company, or whatever.
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And so it seems like they have,
01:44:05
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the relay center seems like it's a call center,
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where it's like, you know, they get a request
01:44:09
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from somebody that cannot be dispatched digitally
01:44:12
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to the local services, and so they dispatch it by phone.
01:44:15
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- But I don't think audio is going from the person
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on the iPhone all the way to the satellite.
01:44:19
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I think, you know, they're clearly doing some kind of like,
01:44:22
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you know, very, very, you know, low bit text encoding,
01:44:26
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you know, probably some, basically a fancy version
01:44:28
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of Huffman coding probably that they've worked out
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with these satellite providers, like, alright,
01:44:32
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we're gonna spend like seven bits to express this very common thing, you
01:44:37
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know, plus, you know, a couple of bytes for the location and that's it.
01:44:40
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Yeah. All in all, I think this is super cool. You know, when it was spring
01:44:44
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break this past school year, so you know, a few months ago now, me and Aaron
01:44:49
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and the kids, we went to the Shenandoah National Park and we went on some hikes
01:44:53
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and for the most part we were without cell coverage on these hikes and, granted,
01:44:59
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we were not doing anything particularly challenging,
01:45:01
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but you never know, it's not called an accident
01:45:03
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'cause you did it on purpose,
01:45:04
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and so you never know what could happen.
01:45:06
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And to have something like this
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would be really, really, really cool.
01:45:10
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One could call for help if you really needed it,
01:45:14
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even in a place that a lot of people go to.
01:45:18
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Shenandoah National Park is not
01:45:20
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a out in the middle of nowhere kind of place.
01:45:24
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It's just that mountain ranges are really hard
01:45:27
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to get good cell coverage on.
01:45:28
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And like if you're a skier,
01:45:30
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I haven't been skiing in probably a decade,
01:45:32
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but I know that a lot of ski slopes,
01:45:34
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at least in my neck of the woods,
01:45:35
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the cell coverage is terrible.
01:45:36
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Again, mountains, hard, difficult.
01:45:38
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Sometimes they are a little bit in the middle of nowhere.
01:45:40
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And so if you're a skier or snowboarder or what have you,
01:45:43
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this could be really helpful.
01:45:44
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What if you're on a boat that's far away from the mainland?
01:45:48
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You're off the coast of the United States or Canada
01:45:50
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and you're far enough away from the mainland,
01:45:52
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you don't have cell coverage.
01:45:53
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Again, that's not an entirely unrealistic thing.
01:45:56
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Like regular people go hiking, regular people go skiing.
01:46:00
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This isn't just for the lunatic wearing
01:46:02
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the Apple Watch Explorer and going through the Mojave Desert.
01:46:07
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This is for regular people too.
01:46:10
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And so I'm super into this, I think this is great.
01:46:13
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- The only kind of odd thing about it
01:46:14
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is that it only is launching in the US and Canada at first.
01:46:18
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And they didn't give a timeline for the rest of the world.
01:46:20
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I thought that was kind of interesting
01:46:21
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for a worldwide service.
01:46:23
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Or is it not a worldwide service?
01:46:25
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are they only using certain satellites? But I don't know. That to me is a little bit odd.
01:46:29
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Nonetheless, wrapping up for the 14, they did not raise prices, I don't believe. $800 for the 14
01:46:38
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and $900 for the 14+. They never mentioned capacities, I don't believe, on any of these,
01:46:44
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other than to say that the 14 Pro can go up to a terabyte. But I don't think they ever mentioned
01:46:48
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what the delineations are, what the base capacities are, anything like that.
01:46:52
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They did make mention that a lot of carriers do have deals
01:46:55
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where you can get a whole pile of money off,
01:46:57
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including up to $800 in the United States apparently.
01:47:00
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Pre-orders this coming Friday at 8 a.m. Eastern.
01:47:03
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Thank you so very much.
01:47:04
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I really do not miss the 3 a.m. Eastern wake-ups.
01:47:08
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It will be available, the 14 will be available on the 16th,
01:47:11
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so a week from Friday, and then the 14 plus,
01:47:14
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not available until October 7th,
01:47:16
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which was a little surprising, but not that long from now.
01:47:19
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- And also, as far as we know,
01:47:21
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Besides screen size and battery size,
01:47:24
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there appear to be no differences
01:47:26
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between the 14 and 14 Plus,
01:47:28
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and also between the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
01:47:31
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It seems like everything is the same
01:47:33
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between the two sizes of each respective family.
01:47:35
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- Yep, that's a really good point.
01:47:37
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- I should also point out what appears to be
01:47:39
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the exporting of boring Pro colors to the non-Pro line.
01:47:43
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- Yeah, the colors this year, just like the watch,
01:47:46
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we have fewer options and they're more boring.
01:47:50
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Yeah, I don't dig that. I mean, and I'm also a little bummed because I did the, I'm gonna get the actual names wrong,
01:47:54
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but like forest green two years ago, I did the midnight blue or whatever last year. Now admittedly,
01:47:59
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I'm putting, or at least this year, I put my phone in a case and surprisingly, I didn't shatter it. Who'd have thunk it?
01:48:05
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But anyways, I'm putting these phones in cases anyway, but I don't know. I really like the green.
01:48:10
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I really like the blue. For me personally, the purple doesn't really do much for me.
01:48:13
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But obviously there are people who will say the opposite.
01:48:15
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So, I don't know, I wish there were more vibrant
01:48:17
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and more interesting colors for all of the phones.
01:48:20
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- I will say the cases this year from Apple
01:48:23
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have really good orange colors.
01:48:26
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- And they brought back the black leather case,
01:48:27
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which I've already ordered, actually.
01:48:29
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So I'm excited about that too.
01:48:31
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So I guess we should just talk about the 14 Pro,
01:48:33
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and this is when JAWS came out.
01:48:35
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All of us knew that it was either going to be,
01:48:37
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what was it, like, John had called it a horizontal eye,
01:48:40
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which is actually a very good description.
01:48:42
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What was it, a hole punch and lozenge,
01:48:44
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or you know, whatever, there were several different ways to describe it. And then very recently, in the last month or so,
01:48:49
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we started hearing rumblings that, "Oh, no, no, no, no, whether or not that's the actual sensor situation,
01:48:55
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it's just going to be one like oval, one lozenge, one pill, whatever you would want to call it, that
01:49:02
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that's going to be the sensor area.
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It's not going to have, you know, a circle, a little bit of screen, and then a oval.
01:49:09
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It's just gonna be one big long oval." And
01:49:12
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We all thought okay, that's fine, you know, whatever and also right just before the you know
01:49:17
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The latest breaking rumor was oh and by the way
01:49:20
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It will be laws in shape and also the those pixels that are in between that they're turning off to make the laws in shape
01:49:25
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They'll also use them to show stuff because those are still screen pixels
01:49:29
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And so they're taking advantage of OLEDs only lighting up the pixels that you need
01:49:32
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And so they showed a bunch of screenshots of saying hey the little camera little light that comes on to show you that the camera is
01:49:37
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Recording and that the microphone is on they can put those in the part of screen
01:49:41
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You know between the dot on the eye and the stem on the eye
01:49:45
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And so that's kind of the extent that the rumors got that like that basically it's gonna be laws in shaped
01:49:49
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But Apple is going to use
01:49:51
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The pixels there to display information and I feel like if we had like two more days of rumors
01:49:56
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We would got the rest of this stuff too probably
01:49:58
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They showed a demo of this thing and how it's going to work
01:50:04
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Holy freaking cow. It looks so cool. I am so
01:50:10
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Intergasted that this is what they came up with because I did not expect it to be anywhere near as cool as this
01:50:14
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I don't even know how to describe it
01:50:15
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But I would like to get out of the way because I'm really enthusiastic about this
01:50:18
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Can I just please just take a moment get out of the way?
01:50:21
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I've only been in the Apple world since like the
01:50:25
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iPod nano but that doesn't really count. I've only been in the Apple like computing world since the polycarbonate MacBook
01:50:33
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My first iPhone was an iPhone 3GS. I
01:50:37
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Do not have the longevity that John has or even Marco
01:50:40
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Can you gentlemen find a worse name than dynamic island because holy freaking crap. I hate that name
01:50:46
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So it's a great name. Oh, I hate it
01:50:49
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So so when I when I wrote that tweet
01:50:52
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I wrote the tweet about that the name and at first time I wrote the tweet
01:50:54
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It was like this is you know
01:50:56
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One of the worst names Apple has chosen in recent years and that's saying something but I but I when I was typing it
01:51:01
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I'm like, that's not really what I mean. It's not I don't really mean worst
01:51:04
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So I changed the word worst to strangest because I think that captures it's not an it's not an embarrassing name
01:51:10
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It's not a bad name, but boy
01:51:11
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Is it weird like if you're in a brainstorming meeting about what are we gonna call this feature and then you know?
01:51:16
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And to describe the feature basically like the oval, you know in addition to using the pixels in between the oval
01:51:22
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They also incorporate the oval into the UI so the oval grows to show additional information
01:51:26
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This is answers the question that I asked last week
01:51:28
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Hey, what are they what advantage does this oval has?
01:51:31
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It seems like it might have disadvantages in that it might extend lower in the screen
01:51:34
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So what advantage does it have? The advantage is that it's narrower than even the narrowest notch
01:51:38
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Which means that it has room to expand because Apple already has UI conventions for when the notch is wider, right?
01:51:44
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That's still in there
01:51:45
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So you can make that lozenge wider
01:51:48
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And display stuff in it and you can make a little piece of it pop off and have a little status information
01:51:53
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It's like they've incorporated it into the UI like when
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Previously when elements would just come and do you display it on your screen now if those elements themselves are rounded rectangles
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They appear to expand out of the lozenge or whatever we keep calling it the lozenge
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That's not why they call it they call it the dynamic island. It's dynamic. All right
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It's it's dynamic like it changes size and shape little pieces come off of it things animate into and out of it and
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I guess it's an island kind of but
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Like it's you know, it doesn't matter. No one's ever gonna call the dynamic island, but it's just it's one of those names
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it's too generic.
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Neither of those words is connected in any way
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with a hardware feature or a software feature.
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Dynamic, there's no, like for example, doc.
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Like if they had used the word doc,
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it's like well we're very familiar with the idea
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that on a computer screen there can be something
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called a doc that is this region that is like stuck
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to a screen edge or whatever, right?
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But island is not a term of art in the computer world
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for a UI element that is not stuck to the edge.
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And dynamic is just whatever, changing, right?
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So that's, it doesn't matter.
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In the grand scheme, it doesn't really matter,
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but Dynamic Island is one of the most deeply strange names
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that Apple has ever chosen for a feature.
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- I don't like it.
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- See this, I actually like it because this is,
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what they've shown, and we haven't really used this yet,
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we've just seen the marketing video basically,
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but what they've shown, it shows a couple of things
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that I think are really clever design.
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First of all, it's bouncy and it shows whimsy
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and it shows personality.
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And these are things that we have not been able
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to associate with the Alan Dye era of design yet.
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It's almost like Alan Dye found his personality finally.
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And look, you know how much I don't like his work
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on the Mac especially.
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But I will give credit where due.
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This looks, again, we haven't used it yet,
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but it looks like really good design
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because it's taking this space that is basically a dead zone.
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You have these two sensors,
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you have a few pixels between them,
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and then you have the status bar around them.
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And you have this little gap above it
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that you can't do much with,
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and the status bar has been kind of crowded in recent years,
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and has had a lot of stuff coming in and out of it,
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as different versions of iOS
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add more and more features to it,
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as the world around it gets more complicated,
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and as the hardware around it changes
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to have more or less space for it.
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So what they've done here with the Dynamic Island,
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which I'm not, I don't think it's as bad a name
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as you think it is.
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- I hate it so much. - What they've done here is
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they've taken a hardware downside of,
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well you have the hole in the screen now
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from these sensors, right?
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They've taken this hardware downside
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and they've turned it into a feature instead of a bug
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and they've given it personality and utility.
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And they've integrated a lot of stuff into it
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that used to either be part of the control center screen
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or was kind of buried in different other parts
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of the status bar area or in different modes.
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And by the way, the whole live activity integration thing
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where developers don't have access to this yet,
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but the Live Activities API announced this summer,
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which is coming quote later this fall
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and some other update, probably 16.1,
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that is going to give us this kind of live widget thing
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for apps to use.
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the Dynamic Island is going to be a place
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you can have a lot of activity running all the time.
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So it's almost like you're getting some of the benefits
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of split screen multitasking on a device
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that doesn't have room for it.
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And that's amazing.
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And so I actually really like this so far.
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The only downside, a few people on Twitter were pointing out
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that might be a downside is that the very top edge
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of your phone is the hardest part of your phone to reach
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if you're using the phone one handed.
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So that could be a bit of a downside.
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but for the most part, other than that,
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this looks like it could be a huge home run.
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I love that it's fun looking.
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I love that it is taking a hardware downside
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and making a feature out of it.
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And I love that the rumor mill had absolutely no idea
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this was coming because all they knew
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was the positioning of the sensors
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and not at all any of the software around it
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and the fact that it would even be shown
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as one unified thing until like two seconds ago.
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So this, I'm very excited about this.
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I think this could be one of those things
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that once you're accustomed to it,
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and you have to use someone else's maybe non-pro phone
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or use an older phone, you're gonna be like,
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oh my god, I'm missing that.
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It's so bad without that.
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Why is your notch all black and bigger
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and stuck to the top?
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You're gonna instantly get used to this
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and instantly take it for granted.
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And I think it has a lot of potential
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and I think it could be really cool.
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- So the unanswered question still is
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why isn't it stuck to the top, right?
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That's wasted space as far as I'm concerned.
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I know it looks better aesthetically,
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but there is no reason that the Notch
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couldn't have done everything that this thing does.
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Like what we're essentially celebrating here is
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the ability to have more information in the status bar
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that is, you know, that has a third party angle
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integration with it, and that the implementation of which
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has a little bit of whimsy with the blobs
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coming off and everything.
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The Notch could have totally done that.
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The problem with the Notch was it was already pretty wide,
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especially the first Notch,
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So there's really not a lot of room for you to,
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there was too much of it was not pixels, right?
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And so you really had limited ability to do that.
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And the second was that,
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I guess no one had just thought of this.
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Like they were hesitant to put things in the status bar.
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So now when they decided to do this,
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they knew they were gonna do the whole punch
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and so on and so forth.
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They probably talked about this.
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Maybe there's a packaging reason
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why this can't be up at the top, but this,
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and I still haven't seen a good measurement of this,
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but like we want more room for our content
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below the part where the notch or the lozenge is, right?
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And so those pixels above the lozenge
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are not particularly valuable to the user.
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They would be more valuable
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if they were on the other side of it,
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but then it wouldn't be a lozenge anymore.
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So I can't tell if this was done for aesthetic reasons,
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'cause it does look nice to have a lozenge
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as opposed to something stuck to it.
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They could have just made it.
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Here's the new narrow dynamic notch, right?
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But then Apple never called it.
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Did they ever call it the notch?
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I forget what they called it.
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- They called it the sensor housing.
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- Yeah, it had a bad name, right?
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So this is a combination of a lot of good ideas,
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none of which I think are specifically tied
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to a thing that goes down.
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And the other thing about it is like,
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when they get to the point where they don't have
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to have any of this crap,
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everything's underneath the screen,
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which they would love to go towards,
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it will still behoove them to essentially have
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a menu bar/status bar that has all these dynamic features.
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But when they do that,
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it's not gonna be down from the top.
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It'll be jammed right up into the top
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because when it's all screen,
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why would you leave that space?
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you're just burning pixels that are no good to anyone, right?
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So I really hope when they go full screen
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and everything's under the screen
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and however many years it takes to do that,
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that they continue all of these APIs,
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the live activities and everything,
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continue to let third-party developers
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put information in there,
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because when that's all pixels,
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you'll be able to put so much more info,
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because right now you can't put anything
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in the parts that don't have pixels,
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like the sensors are there.
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When that is all pixels,
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there'll be so much more room for, essentially,
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user configurable, always visible information
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at the top of your phone.
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Kind of in the same way where they made the menu bar bigger
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on the Mac and those pixels are like bonus pixels.
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I think we should start thinking about the top part
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of our phones as bonus pixels at some point in the future
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when those all are pixels.
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But for now, there's a giant hole in our phone
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and there's a bunch of pixels above that
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that I think are mostly there just to look nice,
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which is kind of a shame.
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- But that's a legitimate use.
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Like if those pixels weren't there,
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like I'm guessing, you know,
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you speculated a few minutes ago that like,
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chances are like the housing is down from the top
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for a reason, you know, I'm guessing whatever hoops
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they had to jump through to get the notch to be smaller,
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they still couldn't necessarily put everything
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as close to the edge to make it higher up.
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- Yeah, and if that's the case, I mean,
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if that's the case, it kind of,
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I find it suspicious that the amount that had to be down
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is this perfect aesthetically pleasing amount,
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but maybe they just couldn't get it to the top.
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- Yeah, and maybe they edged it down a little bit
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because they couldn't get all the way to the top
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to make it look more aesthetically pleasing.
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But if you think about the design of the Dynamic Island,
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you know, the way they show it is like,
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you know, it has these skinny modes
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where it stays its regular height,
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but then something like a notification
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or the face ID, you know, little activity blob,
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that it can, it expands downward
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and sometimes horizontally as well.
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Now if you think about, if that was pinned
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at the top of the screen, that would look really crappy.
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It would not look right.
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- You just have to have a different animation.
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Like, because when it's not, it would have to,
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it wouldn't be rounded on both sides.
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It wouldn't just be the lozenge
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jammed up the top of the edge, it would be the notch.
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Remember how excited they were about the curves on the notch?
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They were like, look at these curves
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that we made for the notch.
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This little S curve is like specially designed
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and we worked really hard on it.
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They're so proud of that.
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It would have to be a different animation,
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but they could still animate.
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Like, a lot of the things they've chosen to do,
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like existing features now animate out of the lozenge.
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I keep not calling that out of my gallon, but tough luck.
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Existing features that animate out of the lozenge,
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there's no reason for them to animate out of the lozenge
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other than just uniformity and niceness.
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It's like, well, the lozenge is there
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and we're about to show a big black rounded rectangle
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at the top of your screen, might as well animate it out.
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It didn't animate out of lozenge before,
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before it just came down from the top
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or appeared out of nowhere.
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Now that the lozenge is there, we can animate out of it.
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So if it wasn't a lozenge, but was instead a notch,
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it would animate out of the notch, but in a different way
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than animating out of the lozenge.
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Like maybe it would ooze out or I don't know.
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There's lots of things you can do.
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- I don't know.
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I'm just, again, like Marco said several times,
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we haven't used this yet and maybe it's garbage,
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but from the marketing video we saw,
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I think this looks so freaking cool
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and I am so excited to try this.
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Other than that, there isn't, I don't know,
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there isn't that much until we get to the camera though,
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right, and the camera,
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Well, let's wait on the camera, I'm sorry.
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Let's talk about the A16.
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Seems like it's largely more of the same,
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or am I wrong about that?
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- So it's a four nanometer chip,
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which I think is, this is the first one, I believe.
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- Oh, that's true, that's true.
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- Otherwise, it seems like a fairly incremental update.
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It still has the same core layout.
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They say performance cores are faster,
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they didn't say by how much,
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and 20% lower power compared to A15.
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But then, again, they were playing a few little games
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with how they were expressing comparisons
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of performance here, 'cause they were like,
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well, actually, our chip from three years ago
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or whatever is better than the competition,
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and here's how much faster the A16 is than that,
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or than the competition, not compared to last year's chip.
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So it sounds like it's not a huge improvement over the A15,
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but it's still, in absolute terms,
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these are all great chip sprint,
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But in relative terms,
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I think this is probably a pretty incremental update.
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- When they were doing the core comparisons for power,
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if they weren't doing the whole SOC,
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I do have to wonder if, when we talk about the camera,
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like the image processing that handles those 48 megapixels,
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does that subvert the power usage gain
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from the power cores that are more efficient?
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'Cause I have a hard time believing
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that Apple wouldn't have spent basically all
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of the power budget on computational features,
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especially with all the features that they are touting
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related to this camera,
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and especially just with the pure amount of pixels
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that it's processing compared to,
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even though it does pixel binning,
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they made it a point to say that lots of their new steps
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in the photonic engine work on uncompressed data
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and work on all pixels.
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And we'll get to the camera in a second.
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And there is situations where they do have 48 megapixels.
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And then they showed in the SOC our new image engine
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and blah, blah, blah,
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I have to think that stuff is gonna eat up
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some of their power budget.
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- One also, one thing they added that I think is new
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with the A16, they called out that there's a new section
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of it called the display engine.
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And they said this drives parts of the always on display
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situation as well as some quote advanced anti-aliasing
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for the dynamic island.
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So that's interesting.
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I'm not sure exactly, I mean I know what anti-aliasing is,
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I'm not sure exactly what that all means relative
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to what the GPU was doing, but it seems like it might be
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some kind of additional GPU accelerator,
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or maybe a lower power GPU
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they can keep active all the time?
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- I mean, they did make a point of how proud they were
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of the anti-aliasing around the original Notch,
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but I imagine that wasn't due to a secular execution unit,
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but yeah, the always-on screen,
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and anything having to do with that,
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especially since things that can happen
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on the always-on screen, and maybe you can have animations
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out of the Notch in that situation,
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you don't want to power up the GPU to make that happen,
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but you do need something to do all of the compositing
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and everything, so maybe the display engine
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handles those scenarios.
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- Yeah, I think that's most likely,
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or some kind of fancy display driver
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that is needed to do some of this stuff,
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but either way, it seems like it's something
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that is probably lower power
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than having a GPU running all the time.
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- And speaking of the display,
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I accidentally jumped right over that.
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So there's new Pro Display.
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Marco, you noted earlier that it is ever so slightly bigger
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than the 13 Pro, but still 6.1 and 6.7 inches.
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460 points per inch.
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Thinner borders, peak HDR of 1600 nits,
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which is the same as your hilariously overpriced monitors.
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- Cheaper than a Panerai.
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- That's true.
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- It was also the same as the MacBook Pros.
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- Yep, they also made mention,
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apparently there's 2000 nits in sunshine
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for 14 frickin' nanoseconds
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before it thermally throttles itself, I'm quite sure.
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But hey, at least for those 14 seconds,
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it'll be really frickin' easy to see.
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- Yeah, this was weird.
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It was like, all right, we have 1600 nit peak HDR brightness,
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which does not mean peak brightness in regular usage,
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and 2000 nits outdoors sometimes,
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unspecified as to when that can happen.
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It only outdoors?
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Is that HDR only?
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Or can that show my email at 2000 nits?
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I don't know.
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- The light sensor is activating that.
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That's what I assume.
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It senses that it's in full sunlight,
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and if it's the winter, then it will go up at 2000 nits.
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So they did make mention, I think in the plane 14, some cooling advances or
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something. They didn't dive into that so I'm guessing there's no vapor chamber
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hiding in there but I believe they did actually make a mention of superior
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cooling. We'll see how this works out. The 4nm chip might help, you know
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like maybe they've learned some lessons from the 13 in terms of cooling but they
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didn't make any bold claims about the ability to withstand direct sunlight for
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longer or whatever, so we'll just have to get the units
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and see how it works.
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- That being said, I mean, like I wouldn't rule out
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Vapor Chamber stuff yet until we have a tear down
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because that's exactly the kind of thing
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they would not really feel worth mentioning.
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- Well it depends, sometimes they do dive into that,
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but maybe there wouldn't be time to go into it.
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It seems like something they would brag about,
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but we'll see what's going on inside these things.
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Oh, and Casey said that the, you know,
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as Mark pointed out, the screen is slightly bigger.
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I just wanna quantify that so people know, right?
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So the 13 Pro was 1,170, these are pixels, right?
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1,170 pixels wide, the new one is 1,179.
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So you get nine additional pixels, right?
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So it's, they're very close.
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- Well, and then in height,
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it's also a little bit different too.
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- Yeah, but we're talking like, you know, a few points--
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- 24 pixels or whatever.
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- Yeah, we're not talking much.
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- Yeah, but it is interesting that it is different.
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I mean, this kind of goes to show
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that when Apple is designing these things,
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it is like, I saw someone complain,
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"Oh, when are they gonna ever change the phone?
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It's the same design now, you know kind of like how the watch is quote-unquote the same design is setting aside the ultra
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That is just kind of this rounded thing on your wrist. It does change in subtle ways the
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dimensions change right and when the dimensions change the screens change and like they you know, it does
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Move around a little bit and they also do with like everything that goes into this those big cameras
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whatever sensors they had to put in for the front-facing thing the lack of a SIM tray the size of the battery they want the
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motherboard the a16 like
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They're not gonna constrain themselves to say
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this has to be down to the millimeter
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the same size as the 13 Pro.
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And it's not, it is close,
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'cause they don't wanna make a differently sized product,
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but they're, you know, it's a balance
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between all the things that has to go into this.
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And so you end up with a screen
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that is not exactly the same size, but it's almost.
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And this is a different screen.
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It has higher peak brightness, it has the cutout in it,
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like there's probably constraints with that.
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So I feel like every piece of this product
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is designed to come together to be a whole.
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And yes, it does look just like the older one
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'cause it's got flat sides and everything,
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but it is itself like,
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it's kind of like when the car manufacturers wanna brag,
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like, "This is the new 911," right?
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That isn't like a new 911, it looks just like the old 911.
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It's like, well, how many parts are shared
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within the old 911 and the new 911?
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I would imagine that there are way fewer parts
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shared between the 14 Pro and the 13 Pro
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than between any two successive generations of 911s.
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Yes, even though it looks the same, the cameras are different, the SOC different, the motherboard
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is different, the screen is different, even the band of stainless steel that's around
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the outside where all the little antenna lines, I would imagine almost every part, maybe not
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the Taptic Engine, but almost every part in this thing is different, even though you look
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at it and say, "Oh, it's the same phone."
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It's not really, it's just not outwardly different.
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For people asking when are they going to come up with a new phone, we're still waiting for
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the Periscope cameras, which will flatten that back out maybe next year.
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in the USB-C port maybe next year.
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- We did, I realize just now as you were talking about this,
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we totally skipped talking about the always on display,
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which is a pretty major feature.
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- We talked about it last week,
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but I think the modifier,
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so my complaint about it was last week,
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it's like, oh, it's gonna be so limited,
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you can only put certain things on there
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and they're gonna be modern-prone.
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People wanna see a picture of their kids,
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and Apple's like, guess what, picture of your kid,
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and we adjust it so the skin tones still look good.
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Like, it's there, they're lighting up so many pixels.
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They're not lighting them up that much,
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but they're like, we're gonna light up
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the whole back of the phone.
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You'll be able to see your entire wallpaper
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lock screen thing and then on top of that,
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we'll put the time and other things like that.
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And I was very surprised by it
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and I think that'll make a lot of people happy.
02:10:16
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- Yeah, that I would never, I mean I didn't guess,
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I would never have guessed that they would have
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basically full color, full screen, always on,
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just lower brightness.
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And again, this kind of remains to be seen,
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like how low brightness is it?
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And is there a meaningful difference in battery life,
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for instance, if you pick an all black wallpaper
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for your lock screen.
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You know, probably, but you know,
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whether it matters to you is a different story
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or whether, you know, whether it's a large percentage
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of battery life is a different story,
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we don't know that yet, but this,
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that surprised me greatly and you know,
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I'm glad they did it in the sense that
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it will be overall more capable and more flexible this way.
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And yeah, time will tell on, you know,
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whether you actually want to put a picture of a sunset
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or whatever on there or your kid's face or whatever,
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but I will say I will kind of miss my weather face
02:11:06
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if I end up having to go for like a black background
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because I've been using the weather one all summer
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with iOS 16 betas and it's been fantastic.
02:11:13
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But I probably won't have the animated rain
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if it's in the dim mode.
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- Do you get to pick a different picture?
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Is this like yet another picture
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or does it have to be the same as your lock screen?
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- I'll see if the simulator can do it.
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Keep going, I'll see.
02:11:27
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Let me see, hold down to customize.
02:11:28
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- And then while Marco's working on that,
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Marco, you also realized that the phones
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keep getting heavier.
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The 12 Pro, 189 grams, the 13 Pro, 204 grams,
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the 14 Pro, 206 grams.
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Only two more grams than the 13 Pro, but it's--
02:11:45
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- Don't be okay with the two grams, come on.
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- But it seems like there's not a second setting
02:11:50
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for the dim wallpaper versus the locked wallpaper,
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it seems like it's the same setting.
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- Yeah, the big jump from 189 to 204,
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you could notice that.
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Marco's not gonna notice the two gram difference.
02:12:00
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- No, it's still gonna feel like a phone
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that's way heavier than I want it to be,
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but it's not yet.
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I'm not gonna notice it being heavier than the 13.
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- Certainly not getting lighter anyway.
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- No, which is a shame.
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And we didn't even mention, the Mini's gone,
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which is, I think, a shame.
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And as awesome as all these phones are,
02:12:20
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they're all big and most of them are very heavy,
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and that's not great.
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I wish they would continue the small line
02:12:30
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and we'll see what happens with the mini.
02:12:32
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That discussion is for another day though.
02:12:34
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- Yep, okay let's talk camera.
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So the predictions are true, 48 megapixel,
02:12:39
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but generally speaking they're doing the whole quad pixel,
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pixel binning thing that we talked about
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either last week or the week before.
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The sensor's 65% bigger.
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There's also a 2x telephoto option.
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You're welcome Marco Arment.
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- Well asterisk, asterisk. (laughs)
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So the way this works is it uses the middle 12 pixels
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of one of the cameras, I didn't catch which one.
02:13:00
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- Okay, from the main camera to do a full size,
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full resolution 2X photo, which is pretty neat.
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And in practice, we'll see if it's good or not.
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- It's still gonna be better than any 2X camera
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Apple has ever shipped, unfortunately.
02:13:15
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- I know, so yeah, there's good news and bad news.
02:13:19
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The bad news is that not only is there still no 2X camera,
02:13:23
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and it's still 3X, but also the 3X camera
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seems to have had no changes whatsoever to it,
02:13:29
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at least in the hardware.
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It is getting the new improved processing pipeline
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in the software, but the 3X hardware appears to be unchanged.
02:13:38
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- That's something that I've been thinking about
02:13:39
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looking at these cameras, like you got the main camera,
02:13:43
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the ultra-wide, the 3X, right?
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Why do we get to this point where phones used to have zero,
02:13:51
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then one camera in the back,
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why do we have multiple cameras on the back of our phone?
02:13:54
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Well, it's because one camera can't do the job
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that we want the phones to do.
02:13:59
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So it's like we have an interchangeable lens camera,
02:14:03
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but instead of interchangeable lens,
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it's like three complete cameras
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'cause they all have their own sensors behind them, right?
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It would be, and then when you do this,
02:14:12
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like, okay, you have a budget, okay,
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well, where are we gonna spend our money?
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Well, it makes sense to spend most of it on the main camera.
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It's 48 megapixels.
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Why does the 3X1 not get better?
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Is there no better 3X camera?
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Well, there is, but there's a price
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that you have to try to aim for, right?
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You can't make every camera the best camera,
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unless you're gonna make a whole new class of phone
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that's like the iPhone Ultra.
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But ideally, what we would prefer
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is to just have one really good camera
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that can cover a reasonable range.
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1x to 3x, 0.5 to 3x.
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That's a thing you could do pretty easily
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with a real camera with a real lens,
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but on the back of a phone, not so much.
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And I don't think the periscope camera's
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gonna help with that at all.
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I don't think you're gonna see a mechanical moving element
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to doing optical zooms inside the thing,
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at least not in the very first periscope camera.
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It's mostly just gonna help get rid of the bump.
02:14:58
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But it is kind of an oddity of technology
02:15:02
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that the solution to the problem of camera versatility
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in smartphones was let's just keep adding more cameras.
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And when you do that,
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there's always gonna be the favorite camera,
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the main camera, and then the lesser cameras.
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And it really, we're getting into a situation now
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where the main camera is so much better
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than for example the 3X camera,
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that when it comes time to do 2X,
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no one's asking the 3X camera to help.
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You're like, "Oh, 3X camera, you're so adorable.
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"You stay over there, let the main camera handle it.
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"Belie will crop off half my pixels
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"and I'll still take a better picture than you
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"because you haven't changed since last year.
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"Just sit there, I know you've got a nice 3X optical thing.
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"You can get that 3X, you can do that extra reach,
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"but don't worry about 2X.
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we'll handle it for you.
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And then the ultrawide is similar.
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Yes, you have the glass that gives you the big fish eye view, but we're not going to
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ask you to do anything.
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You're just for big group shots ultrawide, and you can do macro too, I guess, right?
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It's such a weird situation, such a weird technologically compromised situation that
02:16:02
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I hope I live long enough to see resolved into a situation where there's just one really
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good camera on the back of my phone.
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We'll tune in in 10 years and we'll revisit that fantasy.
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- Yeah, and the ultra-wide did get optically better.
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And all of them actually have smaller apertures
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in absolute terms, but they have bigger,
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the ultra-wide and the main have bigger sensors now,
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so that kind of balances it out in some ways.
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But yeah, so the ultra-wide now has a bigger sensor.
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Oh, and the ultra-wide, I believe,
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oh no, they said the front camera has variable focus now,
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which I believe the front camera
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was always fixed focus before.
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Front cameras on 14 and 14 Pro are now variable focus,
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which should be, that's usually a significant jump
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in quality, but yeah, so going back to the big camera,
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what'll be interesting to see is like how much
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does this new quad pixel arrangement
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with the Bayer color filters,
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how much does this impact actual results that we get?
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It's probably, I would imagine the larger total sensor size
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is probably going to be much more responsible
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for quality increases than the quad pixel arrangement.
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And the quad pixel arrangement might only be very useful
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in certain lighting conditions,
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probably good lighting conditions.
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So we'll see how much that actually matters.
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I think ultimately though, what it's doing is
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it's giving the camera system more options and more data.
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So it can better adapt to different circumstances,
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different light levels and things like that,
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maybe different HDR needs, whatever it is,
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like there's a lot of things you can do
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with having the quad bear arrangement
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with like using the pixels a little bit differently
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depending on what you're shooting
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and what the conditions are.
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So ultimately I don't expect this to be,
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like if you're expecting this to compete
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with like a 48 megapixel Sony A7R,
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it's not going to do that, it's a different thing,
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but it will give really great results in all likelihood,
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like fantastic results at 12 megapixels most of the time.
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And yeah, the 48 megapixels are available in ProRAW
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for apps that use ProRAW, but that's I think gonna be
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a fairly specialized audience of power users
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and photographers that most of us are never gonna see
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that kind of resolution, but we're gonna see
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better quality 12 megapixel photos from this.
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and that I think is very, very good
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for a year over year increase.
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And the only other thing that I thought was interesting,
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give me a little bit of pause,
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is that they changed the focal length of the main camera.
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They, it's down to 24 millimeter equivalent.
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And normally I believe most recent iPhones,
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and most iPhones ever, have been closer
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to 28 millimeter focal length equivalent.
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So it's going to be very slightly wider zoomed out
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than it was before.
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And I don't think this is going to be a major thing that
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will massively impact anything.
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But I think you'll notice.
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I think people will notice, like, oh, my field of view
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is a little bit wider than it was before.
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And so it's interesting.
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I think that might be a feature because I think that's a--
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I know they call that camera the wide camera.
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But what are people taking pictures of with their iPhones?
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groups of people is probably a very popular subject for photography and you don't want
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to have to ever switch off that main camera if you can possibly help it.
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If you're a group of people and you really have space constraints, yeah, you can go ultra
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wide but if you've ever done that, you know that the people at the edge of that picture
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look all distorted, right?
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Because it's ultra wide, it's like a fisheye type thing.
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The people on the edges of the frame are not going to look the way they look in real life.
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So giving a little bit more of a wide angle in situations where you can walk back one
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or two steps without falling off a cliff,
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I think 24 is a reasonable,
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reasonable, what do you call it, focal length
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for the main camera, even though we may be used to 28
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or whatever.
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- Yeah, so overall, I am extremely looking forward
02:20:08
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to this phone, but frankly, the camera is almost incidental,
02:20:12
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like of course I'm gonna get a better camera
02:20:14
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with a new phone.
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I'm actually most excited with this phone
02:20:17
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about the display and notch changes,
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Like that to me is what I really want to experience here.
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Like I want to play with the Always On Display,
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I want to play with the Dynamic Island.
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Like this is all stuff I'm very excited about.
02:20:30
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And so I really give them credit that they were able
02:20:34
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to cram in all this other amazing stuff to this phone
02:20:37
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that in a year that the camera also got what appears
02:20:41
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to be a pretty major upgrade,
02:20:44
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that it isn't even necessarily the thing
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that we talked about first.
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And that we're most excited about necessarily.
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that's pretty awesome. I'm still most excited about the camera. I actually am
02:20:54
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excited about the 48 megapixel RAW thing just because I do tend to take pictures
02:20:58
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of quote-unquote landscapes even if it's just around my neighborhood or whatever.
02:21:01
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In very bright sunlight I would love to see what you can get out of this because
02:21:06
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that's like an ideal scenario. You're outside, it's super bright Sun, you can
02:21:10
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actually use those 48 megapixels. It's kind of a shame that it seems like RAW
02:21:13
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is the only way to do it. I mean I guess third-party camera apps can do whatever they
02:21:16
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want but it seemed like what they were saying is hey you want a 48 megapixel
02:21:19
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image out of the Apple camera app you have to use ProRAW right and obviously
02:21:24
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you need a lot of light but I'm excited to try that I'm kind of disappointed
02:21:28
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that the main camera is just leaving the other cameras in the dust because I do
02:21:32
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use the other cameras from time to time and I hate knowing that I'm going to be
02:21:36
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stepping down that far in quality and it's not the megapixels it's the size of
02:21:40
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the sensor like again if you look at the outside it's three little you know
02:21:43
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stovetop burners right and the circles are all the same size. Remove those
02:21:47
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circles if you could see the sensors under there those cameras would look
02:21:49
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very different from each other right. The main camera sensor is much bigger
02:21:53
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than the other ones and that makes a big difference but yeah I'm mostly excited
02:21:57
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about the cameras I mean again I'm coming from an 11 pro so I've already
02:22:01
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been jealous of my wife's 13 pro and her camera and if I'm gonna suffer this
02:22:04
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gigantic camera Mesa I want to get cool pictures out of it so I'm looking
02:22:10
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Looking forward to that.
02:22:10
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What I'm not looking forward to is being able to find
02:22:13
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a case that gives me a bare bottom on my 14 Pro.
02:22:16
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- Yeah, the case situation, you know,
02:22:19
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every year it resets 'cause something changes dimensions
02:22:22
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slightly and so I have to wait and see, you know,
02:22:25
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what's gonna be my preferred clear or leather
02:22:29
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or silicone option, who knows.
02:22:30
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I think I'm gonna get the Apple Clear case to start,
02:22:33
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but we'll see 'cause I love the orange leather look,
02:22:37
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but leather is not super compatible with my lifestyle
02:22:42
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on this dynamic island,
02:22:43
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which involves a lot of water in various times.
02:22:46
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- It's not just that the phones change from year to year,
02:22:48
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it's that for me, at least personally,
02:22:50
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I haven't been able to find a vendor
02:22:52
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that from year to year I can rely on to make a case
02:22:54
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ever since Apple started wrapping the bottom.
02:22:57
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Like it's Olaxar, it's my preferred brand,
02:22:59
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I'm gonna go see what they have.
02:23:00
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I don't know if they're even going to make
02:23:01
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a bare-bottom case for the 14 Pro,
02:23:03
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so maybe I have to look for another one.
02:23:04
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I bought multiple cases for my 11 Pro,
02:23:06
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I'm gonna end up probably buying multiple cases
02:23:08
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for this one unless like all XR literally has the same case
02:23:11
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but in the 14 Pro and Marco, you were like four cases
02:23:14
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for your last phone trying to find the one that you want
02:23:17
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because you know, we can't rely on,
02:23:19
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oh every year I'm just gonna buy the X brand case
02:23:21
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for my phone because I know from year to year
02:23:23
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it'll be the same.
02:23:24
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Even if you're like, oh, I'm an OtterBox devotee
02:23:25
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that I buy OtterBox cases for all my kids
02:23:28
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'cause they're you know, sturdy and they protect the phones.
02:23:30
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From year to year, one OtterBox case to another,
02:23:33
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they change the design in all sorts of ways.
02:23:35
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Ways that, you know, there's like no brand loyalty,
02:23:38
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no product loyalty, no, like, if you find a good case
02:23:41
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for your current phone, don't assume that means
02:23:43
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that for your next phone, you'll be able to find
02:23:45
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anything like that case, because that same vendor
02:23:47
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for the next phone may decide, oh, we've changed our mind
02:23:49
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and now it looks like this.
02:23:50
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It's kind of annoying.
02:23:52
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- Finally, the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max,
02:23:55
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also no price changes, much to our surprise.
02:23:57
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$1,000 for the 14 Pro, $1,100 for the Pro Max.
02:24:00
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You pre-order this coming Friday,
02:24:03
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available a week from Friday?
02:24:05
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- Honestly, that was a surprise to me.
02:24:06
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Everyone was saying they were gonna raise prices
02:24:08
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by 100 bucks or something, and you know,
02:24:10
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modern Apple with a pro phone that's being
02:24:13
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ever more separated from the non-pro versions,
02:24:17
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I would've expected a price raise.
02:24:19
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I did expect a price raise, so the fact
02:24:21
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that the prices stayed the same, I consider a win.
02:24:23
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I mean, I've heard it's kinda rough, like in Europe,
02:24:25
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where we have some currency fluctuation issues
02:24:28
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that are making the prices even more egregious than usual,
02:24:31
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But yeah, for us here in the US, it's been pretty good.
02:24:35
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- Oh, and no 8K video, right?
02:24:37
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- No, I think they definitely would've mentioned that
02:24:39
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if that was there.
02:24:40
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- One of the rumors didn't come,
02:24:42
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they did take a chance to talk about that cinema mode thing.
02:24:45
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Oh, now you can do that cinema mode in 4K, okay, all right.
02:24:49
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That's good.
02:24:50
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- I'm glad they didn't lean too far into that whole thing,
02:24:52
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'cause yeah, as I was mentioning last week,
02:24:54
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that I'm not a filmmaker, and I think most people
02:24:59
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just want the regular features to work really well.
02:25:02
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And that's what they do.
02:25:04
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- Yeah, and speaking of the regular features working well
02:25:05
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on the camera and everything, this is the thing.
02:25:07
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We went through the part of like, oh,
02:25:08
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2x better low light performance
02:25:10
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in the photonic engine or whatever.
02:25:12
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Apple itself never tries to quantify that.
02:25:17
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Even though it seems like they're quantifying it,
02:25:20
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oh, 2x, that's a quantity, right?
02:25:22
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It's not a qualitative measurement.
02:25:23
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We're not telling you it's much cooler or awesome.
02:25:27
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We're saying it's twice and two is a number.
02:25:29
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But what does that mean?
02:25:31
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Like, what is your testing scenario?
02:25:33
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Two X better low light performance.
02:25:35
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So it's like, okay, well then given this image
02:25:37
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and this amount of light and this, they never do that.
02:25:39
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They never go through like, here's a test pattern,
02:25:41
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here's a measured amount of light.
02:25:43
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They just don't do that, right?
02:25:44
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And in practice, when you look at like competitive,
02:25:47
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you know, camera comparisons online,
02:25:49
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here's the latest Google Pixel, here's the latest iPhone,
02:25:52
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and they try to take identical pictures
02:25:55
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and identical lighting with the cameras all up on tripods
02:25:57
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and they do a lot of things.
02:25:59
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And what you learn is, they show those pictures to people,
02:26:02
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it's subjective.
02:26:03
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Which one, you know, unless you're doing
02:26:06
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a literal test pattern and you're measuring like the values
02:26:08
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with like a pixel meter or whatever,
02:26:10
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when you take pictures of real subjects,
02:26:13
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there's so much processing going on.
02:26:15
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Face detection, lighting up people's faces, HDR,
02:26:18
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like it's, you know, the camera understands
02:26:20
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in various ways what it's taking a picture of,
02:26:23
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and they all do, and they all use that information
02:26:26
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to process the pixels in a certain way.
02:26:28
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And so when they say twice as good low light performance,
02:26:31
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does that mean if I took a picture with a 13 Pro
02:26:34
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and a picture with the 14 Pro of the same person
02:26:36
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and the same lighting, I would think one is twice
02:26:38
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as good as the other one?
02:26:39
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No, I might even think the 13 Pro looks better
02:26:41
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if I agree with its decisions that the computational engine
02:26:43
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made more than the other one.
02:26:45
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So that's why these camera comparisons are so tough, right?
02:26:48
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When what you're looking at is,
02:26:50
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does this picture look better to you than that one does?
02:26:53
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And that is much harder to measure than anything sort of,
02:26:56
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you know, any sort of objective benchmark measurements.
02:26:59
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And Apple, like when they show off their cameras,
02:27:03
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they never show test patterns.
02:27:04
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They show people, right?
02:27:05
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They show landscapes, they show beautiful pictures.
02:27:07
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And I look at those beautiful pictures and like,
02:27:08
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these are beautiful pictures,
02:27:10
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but what is this going to mean in my life
02:27:12
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when I'm taking a picture of my dog
02:27:14
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walking in the woods or whatever?
02:27:15
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- I'm excited.
02:27:16
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I'm really excited for the camera.
02:27:17
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I'm really excited for the lozenge,
02:27:20
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which I will never refer to as a stupid dynamic island.
02:27:23
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I hate that name so much.
02:27:25
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I'm really excited for all of this.
02:27:27
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- Isn't a volcano a dynamic island?
02:27:28
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- Yeah, that's true, it is.
02:27:31
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- Not all volcanoes are islands, though.
02:27:33
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- That's also true, yeah, fair point.
02:27:34
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Anyways, oh, and IOS 16 released on Monday.
02:27:37
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So that's pretty cool, too.
02:27:40
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But yeah, this was a really impressive event.
02:27:44
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I already bought watches.
02:27:45
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I want to buy AirPods, but I'm resisting,
02:27:47
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and I will be buying phones on Friday.
02:27:50
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Marco, what are you doing?
02:27:51
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- I'm gonna, as far as I know right now,
02:27:54
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I'm gonna skip the watch.
02:27:56
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- Okay. - First one ever.
02:27:58
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And I'm going to get the 14 Pro and AirPods Pro 2.
02:28:03
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I am so looking forward to both of those things.
02:28:07
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- What's Tiffin for?
02:28:08
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- Most likely 14 Pro Max and also AirPods Pro.
02:28:13
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John, you said Tina's year this year, right?
02:28:15
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- No, it's my year.
02:28:16
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- Oh, I'm sorry, that's right, you said that earlier.
02:28:17
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So Tina already ordered her new watch.
02:28:22
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I think it's just gonna end up looking the same
02:28:23
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as her old watch, but she likes the temperature
02:28:25
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sensor thing and the ovulation tracking or whatever,
02:28:26
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so she's getting that.
02:28:27
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Again, not that we're trying to have another kid,
02:28:29
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but it's a useful thing.
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I'm getting this phone when it is available.
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I'm probably just gonna get a boring black one
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with 256 gigs and all that other good stuff,
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and then I'm going to begin my long journey
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of trying to find a case for it,
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and trying not to break it while I look for a case.
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I may end up doing what I did last year,
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which is buy an interim Apple silicon case
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and then get annoyed by the lip.
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And then eventually if all XR makes a 14 Pro,
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I'll get that one.
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If not, I'll try to find another one.
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I'm not looking forward to that.
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Usually it's like, oh, I'm excited I'm getting a new phone,
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but I'm like, oh, the case situation.
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I don't like that being an ordeal,
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but it's going to be an ordeal.
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But anyway, that's my plan.
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- Yeah, I should revise my earlier statement.
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I plan to get either 256 or 512.
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I'm on the fence on that.
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And I will also be doing space black because I'm boring.
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Marco, what do you think you two are gonna do?
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- 256 for me, 512 for Tiff,
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and I'm doing, I think, the white,
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or the quote, silver,
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'cause frankly, I don't like any of the colors.
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The purple, I think, is cool if purple's your color.
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It did look a little bit dark and drab
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in some of the people's photos from the media area.
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Like, it didn't look super vibrant,
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but it's not really my color to begin with,
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and it just looks very dark to me.
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So I'm gonna say farewell to my light blue one
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I've had this past year,
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and probably just get the white one,
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which will at least then broaden my case options
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because you can put that in anything and it will look fine.
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John, going back a half step,
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I should mention that one of the options
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for the last couple of years for AppleCare
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is to do $10 a month until you decide to cancel it,
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like you can cancel it whenever you want.
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And something you might wanna think about
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is rather than dropping 40 bucks or whatever
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on an Apple Silicon case,
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you could just do AppleCare for like a month or two
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until you get a case that you like,
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and then cancel it and you're out less than the cost
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of a temporary case.
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- I always just get the two-year AppleCare
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'cause I'm on a two-year phone plan.
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So I prepaid for two years.
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I want the AppleCare if only as a way to prevent me
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from ever breaking my phone, which so far has been working.
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So money well spent.
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The second I don't pay for that AppleCare,
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I'm breaking my phone.
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All right, well, I'm really looking forward to it.
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I am looking forward to getting all of the toys.
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I am jealous of all the AirPods Pro that are happening,
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but I'm super stoked about my Series 8 that's coming.
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And hopefully all of you will have good luck
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with ordering your iPhone 14 or 14 Pros.
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And after you do that, or perhaps even before,
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We have a brief moment to appreciate/complain about exactly how much stuff leaked about
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Granted, a lot of it leaks at the last second, but we got the new watch design, we got all
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the features of the phone except for some of the dynamic island stuff like the air pods
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and most of that stuff leaked except for a couple of minor things like there was no product
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that people didn't expect it was just the apple is just not like and especially like
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with the cad files for the watch leaking yeah i don't understand the mechanism by which
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that information is going to leak but it doesn't leak until like the day before it's almost
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like someone that has the info and is holding it until like they think they're not going
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to be prosecuted because well, it's the day before Apple's not going to care, right?
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But boy, like, and I thought about like, maybe I shouldn't look at the watch pictures because
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maybe I want to be surprised.
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But I gave in to temptation just like Marco did.
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And we all looked at the pictures and they were accurate and there was the product.
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Like, are we ever going to be surprised by anything other than a Mac Pro because no one
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leaks that because nobody cares?
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I think it's just, you know, it's high volume stuff, like the highest volume stuff.
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The iPhone, you know, hardware components tend to leak, especially displays tend to
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to leak really early on.
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And so, the rumor of there being a larger,
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rugged Apple Watch--
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- That's multi-year old. - That's like a two-year old,
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yeah, it's been there a while.
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We knew a while ago all the different,
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all the new sizes of the iPhone 14,
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that there wouldn't be a mini,
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that there would be a big, regular one.
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All of that, we had such strong rumors on.
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- We knew the AirPod Pro with the speaker
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and the loop and the case,
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and the fact that they were gonna look basically
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the same design-wise and higher bandwidth,
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it's just everything.
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- That's why I am more excited by the features
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that are not apparent from basic component leaks.
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So things like the dynamic volcano island,
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things like the satellite connectivity,
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which was like, it was rumored that there was gonna be
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satellite connectivity maybe, but no one really knew.
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- Right, but you can't tell that from the hardware,
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because it's like, well, the hardware could already do it,
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it's a business deal stuff and software features.
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Apple is still doing a pretty good job of keeping under wraps, but I just I couldn't believe when the watch was like a day
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Before I thought they were gonna make it like oh this rugged Apple watch hasn't leaked yet, but nope there was