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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Snell
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it's finally here after many years and
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many podcasts devoted to a film that had
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not yet opened and that we had not yet
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seen it has opened and we have seen it
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and so in the first of our perhaps
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endless series of episodes about star
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wars the force awakens i am joined by
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three people who with who I've been
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talking about this film since before it
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had a name or a director but Dad more'n
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hello doctors doctors you it's hard to
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tell the world
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also joining me of course serenity
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hello droid please people group
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and uh and also here I wouldn't do this
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without John siracusa hello
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you know we start working always don't
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need a director named they just need a
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number that's the number for us to hang
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our hat on a Roman numeral that's all we
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where the Roman numerals a long time ago
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in a galaxy far far away
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let's ponder how they weren't there not
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in the movie they're only in the crawl
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the crawl is written by people who are
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the crawlers canonical jason i wanna
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hear another word to crawl
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yeah but it's not from a galaxy far far
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away it's the cross for us anyway that
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is to existential that will be another
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episode that will do probably next like
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thursday so anybody have any opening
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statements
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John yeah Ren anybody I I'm with the
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opening statements box is open now who
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would like to give a statement i will
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give a statement alright so I my
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statement is just it's a Star Wars movie
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guys huh
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it is a movie without going into details
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will go and very shortly
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it is a film that feels like it belongs
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in the star wars universe
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it made me feel like I was watching star
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wars the entire time i had the same
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stupid grin as i do when i watch the
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original trilogy it feels it feels like
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a Star Wars movie and that was the that
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was my number one criteria going in is
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that it i wanted it to feel like a star
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wars we didn't have to be beautiful it
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didn't have to be perfect but i wanted
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to have that energy and I on that it has
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fulfilled i agree i was i was thinking
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this is sort of people like the prequels
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are gonna hate this but the first Star
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Wars movie in 32 years John do you have
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an opening statement i do I was you know
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dang go first
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alright i can do you have anything skin
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which is a shorter I don't even know why
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not i like to make mine up on the spot
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that's that's been the trend lately so
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now are now i'm doing that's where they
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got the last get the last spot know you
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is an instigator of you opening
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statements you get that you get the
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coveted findings dieter that's the
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Bourbon instigator innovators run ashore
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here whenever got 32 more hours of
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podcasting do again
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yep yes that's right away visit the
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telethon the next 12 hours will be your
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dance phone and what would you what
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would you like to say i would like to
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say that I i really i really enjoyed
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this movie and I agree that you know for
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the first time in decades it's a did
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feel like I was watching a Star Wars
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what I'm most fascinated by is this as
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the launchpad for this next this you
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know latest chapter in the Star Wars
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franchise saga depending on how you want
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to call it
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uh-huh having seen this movie I'm i
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think there's too many choices which
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will go into discussing but i think i'm
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i'm actually really kind of jazz to see
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what the rest of this trilogy looks like
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yeah they've raised some very
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interesting things but overall it was
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fun it's a lot i would argue it might be
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funnier than any other star wars movie
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intentionally sorry 99 the prequels
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which are hilarious but i think it might
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be the most intentionally funny of a
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star wars movies which I which is a
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weird feeling and most of all is weird
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to go into a brand new Star Wars movie
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that I've only seen once that was good i
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don't like that's just a weird feeling
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you have right now but it's generally a
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pleasing feeling John take it away huh
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alright so this is just we're recording
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this one day after seeing this movie for
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the first time and a very long build-up
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i wish i was in the theater 24 hours ago
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right now watching it for the first oh
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yep summer so it's kind of hard for me
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to get a handle on in terms of like the
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grandiose opening statements that I had
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like prepared for years here and scamper
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Empire Strikes Back you're never right
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so just to give this couple head
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counselor and and i'll give a longer
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like summary assessment I'm sure we all
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will of the of the movie at the end sure
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we've discussed all the spoilers and
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everything but if you want like a
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spoiler-free capsule review here's what
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I'd say the force awakens is a good
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movie with many small problems
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none of which over overwhelm it's
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essential goodness I thought I keep
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coming back to which doesn't really make
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any sense but it's stuck in my head is
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the world is safe for Star Wars movies
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again huh
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the force awakens is just you know the
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opening move it went in what will be a
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steady stream of new movies in this
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universe it's respectful of its origins
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it's competently made it opens far more
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doors than it closes and it makes me
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excited about Star Wars again and you
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could say what more could a star wars
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fan a score well I could ask for a hell
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of a lot more but what we got is pretty
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good and I will love is my life I do
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have an opening statement but it's
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actually very similar to John's which is
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I think I feel like this film had a
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couple of jobs that had to do because
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yes it's a work of art in there acting
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and current crafts that are involved but
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it's also the first film release from
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disney after buying Lucasfilm for
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billions of dollars so it has to do I
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think two jobs one of the jobs is it
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needs to feel like Star Wars and make
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people like Star Wars movies again and
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make them feel like they did when the
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original Star Wars movies were were
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released it needs to have that star wars
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eNOS about it right and job number two
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is it needs to set this thing up as an
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ongoing venture so it needs to look
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backward and tie into the past but also
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build up for the future and those are
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tricky and you do too much one and it's
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a nostalgia trip and not much more you
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do too much of the other and you leave
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maybe the existing fanbase waiting by
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the door and what I would say about this
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before we blow this boiler horn is it
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did both jobs
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it did the job that needed to do and the
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result is a movie that was extremely
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enjoyable I liked it a lot but I'm
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impressed by the fact that managed to
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walk that line between being a fan
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service for the people who love Star
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Wars know it by heart and leaving the
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story at a point where you're thinking
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more about the future than the past for
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maybe the first time since returned to
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the Jedi came out so that's my opening
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statement should we fire off the spoiler
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horn now for the other moms know what
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nobody wants to diagnose Oilers let's
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just pretend we can talk about education
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more let's talk about that they had no
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let's talk let's analyze that trailer
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now that we've seen the movie
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again trailer conducted do you like that
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trailer John not inside that trailer was
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awesome so glad and watching but boy
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that was a good travel trailer
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yeah it was it was I can't watch the
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movie again and help us watch the
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trailer again it's pretty good pretty
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good trailer pretty good trail right
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here it goes were firing up the spoiler
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horn if you have not seen don't know how
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this is possible are you listening this
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force awakens don't listen any further
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unless you're a bad person who likes
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spoiler
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alright Luke Skywalker has vanished
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luton guy Locker has its and a super
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excited by the way because that was one
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of those tidbits that had somehow made
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its way into my conscience there was all
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this like where's Luke stop mark hamill
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tweeted a great picture of him reading
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USA Today that had like a story where's
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Luke and it's like him peeking over the
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paper I i saw that picture and and the
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how it managed not to spoil me was
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because I thought the whole like me
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after I quickly scroll past it was the
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idea that hey he's not in the poster
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he's not in the trailer and if you go
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there holding him back as you know JJ's
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all about like withholding that's what i
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thought it was about like oh you're not
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going to see him to get to see the real
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movie haha true that's it it's kind of a
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little bit of both
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it's not a gets as much teasing as it is
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actually yeah i think i had heard rumors
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about the fact that as a character he is
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supposedly missing at this point in time
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or maybe I'd stumbled across the legal
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action and so no idea about that but I
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love like the the opening of the scroll
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at how else could you better open the
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scroll because he is the one most
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appease the most important character in
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the Star Wars right right like yeah and
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and the first sentences he has vanished
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like well there you got steaks
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immediately is making and it was it was
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good from the perspective of feeling
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like worrying i was going to be spoiled
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to be like oh that's right up front I
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feel good
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quickly learned that much that's great
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okay we're starting their right and
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you're already you're already invested
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in that because you care that looks like
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our has vanished why would you not you
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know exactly what is he had three movies
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and he's like super important
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yeah yeah it's much better than some of
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the other calls and we could talk about
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know it's great it's the first sensible
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girl guys you know who's there are no
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trade disputes in the cross no it'sit's
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republic but its backing a resistance
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government after complaining for three
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political situation makes sense in in a
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like is not necessarily equally
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confusing but I don't blame Abrams for
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glossing over it especially because we
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got three movies of trade negotiations
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like we might hear more about the geo
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political spectrum in the next movie
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which would be okay or knowing ryan
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Johnson MHP about characters and like
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weird dream sequences and I'd be okay
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just adding a third party there with the
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it was just one of those things where I
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yeah my only my only reason for that for
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explain if it's just the Republican the
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first-order fighting each other because
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that's like well the capital of the
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blown up and there's other stuff but
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there was the majority of the fleet was
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blown up but also not this fleet so why
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why weren't they on that like there
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there there are potential plot holes
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there that i think would also be
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confusing from a different angle the
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long answer I guess the short answer is
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they wanted to reset back to like know
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there's a scary big first order and the
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tiny bit of scrap long as it's like they
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weapon to hit the Republicans and there
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is a target which is a problem i think
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later in the movie the whole Republic
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it's like well you know we don't explain
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too much better probably just don't get
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too attached to their companies because
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yeah just wait about 55 minutes and then
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the Republican but but on the other hand
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if there's no Republic what the hell
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does a superhit they don't even know at
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that point where the resistance is like
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well we know where the Republic planets
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are we could take them out and so that's
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that structurally little problem but I
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think you're right that eventually it's
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like we wanted we want to reset to
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scrappy factions because that's more
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that's more exciting and that's why it
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kind of doesn't matter
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um because in the end when you're
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watching a movie you can revert to star
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troopers flying those ships and their
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bad and then there are the rebels
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essentially flying be ships and they're
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business for ancillary materials but I i
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little distracting and the reason that
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it's still in there is exactly what John
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something to be threatened and the you
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know the Alderaan proxy in this story is
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of this Republic but i think if you look
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places where the where the Republic kind
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order is sort of a a a movement that is
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trying to integrate yeah that's trying
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to take over
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you know it's like a it's almost like a
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dark jedi sith like splinter group
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trying to reassert the power of the old
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Empire and so it's kind of a four-party
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content which is which is super again
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which is I'm glad that's not you know
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talked about a lot in the movie yes to
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my politics i feel like i got done with
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a sentence or two here there but again
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fairly minor a pic and I I just think
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back to some of our earlier podcasts
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please see ancillary materials we have
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provided a pending Tom about like oh
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well what has happened since like
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like remaining empire after the death
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star has gone right like it just give up
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right and so I i guess i was looking
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forward to a little bit of that
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explanation of like what what the hell
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happened
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well this isn't about opening more doors
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than it closes though because like sure
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when you watch this movie but what my
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wife said well I thought it as well as
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like they can have prequel to these
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groceries
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like this happens after Return of the
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between where you can have prequels to
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be like oh I want to see the bottle of
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the whole you know like you can a
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bad books and comics are sorry seems
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really in this in this in this open
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politics in it that are very much like
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this a shot of jakku which is a planet
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where there's a lot of garbage because
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time ago and the opening shot we get is
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of a galactic what is it like a Star
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silhouette and then you see the shit
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out of it and into the light and that's
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that we haven't seen before in these in
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these star wars it's a very j
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Abrams image it's similar to the one
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that's right before the opening credits
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in Star Trek actually yeah and I don't
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necessarily think that's a bad thing
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it's a it's a very different angle that
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we've got none star was open and crawls
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before and I'd I was a little thrown out
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of it I'm like wait a second there are
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two planets and we're coming from below
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oh ok it's out it's a nice it's a nice
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way I think of entering this universe is
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saying like this is a Star Wars film but
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also this is very much JJ Abrams is star
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wars film this is an honor this is your
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parent star wars hell yeah we're going
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to we're going to have dimensions guys
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message from our good friends at cards
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against humanity it is an honor and
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privilege for us at cards against
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the new Star Wars movie but we want to
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send our congratulations on a wonderful
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film that is sure to become an instant
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at a safe reboot that met the bare
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minimum of our own insane expectations
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bunch of tired old tropes at least the
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visual effects were either incredible or
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just okay this movie either made us feel
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once and for all but either way we'll be
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uncomfortable
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whatever of the prequels feel more like
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traditional star wars than this one does
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after this one is bad but I think you're
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stamp on it but if you like what feels
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like clip what feels like classic George
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spike classic traditional rodeo
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feel like that which is not necessarily
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a bad thing I think is going to be a
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theme for the entire movie i think it's
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passing it has to feel like Star Wars is
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feeling like Star Wars like Ren said
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like oh this is a Star Wars movie and
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it's feeling like Star Wars as in it
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feels like the original trilogy and I
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exactly like the original trilogy but it
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really shows like you know it it it
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wakes you up and you know the subsequent
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seeing that we will discuss with you
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about to say this is star wars but it is
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not the star wars that you remember it
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is not going to be yes so tied down to
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the original trilogy mindset because
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seriously just go pull up episode 123
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the crawl
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they feel so freaking star wars ii those
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sounds are such great Star Wars movies
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if you only watch the first yeah
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then stop and you know reject don't read
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the chrome just that this part of the
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yeah initial imagery yeah and i'm not
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sure but visually speaking that's the
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most the the strongest thing there's a
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get a lot of shadow detail and so I'm
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not that big a fan of the particular
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opening shot but that's it's a minor
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detail i think the opening the other
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thing it is the opening set piece of you
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know the stormtroopers and all that
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stuff again seemingly intentional move
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away from the way star wars were shot
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the things you normally see the subject
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matter we immediately
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whole like there's bad guys and good
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these movies immediately go into gray
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areas that none of the original trilogy
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touched
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well the fact that stormtroopers are
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people with many other people people
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with Johnson feelings and who are going
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to eventually be involved in the plot of
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this movie in a non-trivial way as
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opposed to being you know either closed
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or cookie cutter things
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yeah yep it's really interesting and for
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he for me this is where the i'm not
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going to call it necessarily a rewriting
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but the Limoges to New Hope start
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because UD even even from the from the
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very beginning you've got the inversion
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of the Star Destroyer type type ship and
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then you immediately go into the hangar
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with with stormtroopers so instead of
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seeing the
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you know the people preparing for a
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stormtrooper attack we actually get the
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stormtroopers we get a close-up of a
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bunch of stormtroopers in a hangar as
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they're speeding down to the planet's
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surface which is as you guys are saying
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it's like it's already such a
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interesting subversion the idea that oh
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yeah we're actually going to spend some
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time with with the troopers on a are
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like what we're going to spend a
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micro-level interaction with the dark
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side and the evil empire / first or
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because of their I mean there's always
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been scenes with the darkside folks but
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it's never been it's never been personal
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stuff unless it's the empire the emperor
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and Darth Vader it's always been kind of
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like yeah the Empire's this big giant
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glob Oh people and individualizing the
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very quickly is fascinating especially
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as we get to jakku at an end of
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individualizing also the infantry
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because I feel like an original trilogy
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you spend some time with characters who
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had metals on their chests and they had
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you know minor personality traits and
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you know boardroom squabbles and brushes
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with death while talking to Vader and
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various other things that they made the
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major string but once you got down to
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the rank-and-file those movies were not
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interested in except for maybe did you
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see the you know those two stormtroopers
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talking to each other about that
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whatever-it-was in your spirits and
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stuff in new help
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yeah but their droids yeah but this one
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seems much more interested in making you
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recognize that you know that that
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everybody has their reasons even the
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rank-and-file stormtroopers like that
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they're so angry at finn later because
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he's a traitor and that they have lines
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lines they're not there they are go get
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blast them you know I mean like they're
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yeah that they're clearly people with
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feelings inside these suits and exercise
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by saying we maybe have a clone army
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the interesting thing to me this is
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where I think that the exploration into
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the universe in the clone wars animated
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series and rebels actually has paid
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dividends in the main in the big star
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wars movies because I feel like clone
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wars to you know very specific extent
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got into the lives of
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on infantry and you know all of that and
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I it may be there are parts of this
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movie that actually feel very much like
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animated series scenes to me and in a
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great way in a like oh hey we've learned
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from you know we've learned from our
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past prequel mistakes and we have a good
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idea of how to how to shade more gray
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that we have here 24 kind of just
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glossed over
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yeah it's kind of a shot across the bow
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is in some way to make the characters
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have sort of individual personalities
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because it is becoming more you know
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sort of like let's not worry too much
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about you know clones even though i
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think i agree that the clone war series
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does do a fantastic job of turning those
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individuals into characters you know
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sort of the prequels never really dwell
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on that too much and I think also
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interestingly from the the stormtroopers
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perspective you know you think back to
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the original trilogy and even though the
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stormtroopers as John mentioned like
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couple times we catch them having
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conversations or what have you and they
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seem to be distinct people different
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with different personalities
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it's telling that we never really see
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any without their armor on even when
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like on Luke knock out the stormtroopers
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in the four in New Hope and take their
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armor we don't see like the trust up
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around troopers right like we don't see
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faces you know we we have no idea those
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are always going to be faceless
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characters and accept while I mean with
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the exception really up in here like we
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still don't really see much of my faces
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but there are different clearly like
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different characters under the helmets
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there's men and women which is great
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nah not just as much like there's a part
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later we're like a stormtrooper who
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reports to one of the other Imperials is
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clearly a woman's voice is the only
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different body types as well like yeah
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exactly guys you recognize that guy
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I recognize that God before with you at
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the ammo across his chest or whatever
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you know
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yep yeah so I mean that is it is really
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interesting and it's a good way of
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distinct like distinguishing itself from
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both the prequels and the original
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trilogy is I find this moment that
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actually reminded me of of the robot
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chicken star wars where is the robot
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chicken star wars you know it's all
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about filling in the gaps between the
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scenes but things we assume about these
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movies we've seen so many times and it
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that and there's a moment like that
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kylo Ren is mad that that Ray has
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escaped and he's smashing up the
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interrogation room and assume troopers
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come around the corner and hear the
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explosion that like slowly back away
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right oh my god because they're there
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they're not dumb they're like oh he's
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having a tantrum we're gonna go they're
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not you know they're not faceless
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nameless drones they may have only
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letters and numbers for their names but
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they're you know they are still
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individuals under there and they have to
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be because Finn one of our main
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characters is actually a stormtrooper as
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we as we are about to find out it in my
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notes here like I was trying to figure
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out how to break them up by like I had a
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section that was like good decisions and
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bad decisions and then I just like I
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realize that just now down to good bad
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whatever any of the first bullet point
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in my good section is the general
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treatment of all characters as real
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people and it doesn't just include the
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bad guys
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old people are real people young people
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men women bad guys good guys there are
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monitoring distance which all complain
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about in a bit but for the most part the
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movie is amazingly good at treating
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everybody as a character maybe not an
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important character but there's almost
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nobody here who is categorically
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pigeonhole let's talk about jakku at
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night we discover there's a conversation
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with its maximum Saito and oscar isaac
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where maximum saito is handing over some
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information this is in in the the fact
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that this plot is sort of a remix of a
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bunch of existing Star Wars plots this
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is the these are the Death Star plans
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this is the map to Luke Skywalker and
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it's being handed over by Max von Sydow
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who obviously has this this history with
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with Leia and the resistance and he's
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got this information and he's passing it
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on to Oscar Isaac who is powe Dameron
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her the best pilot in the resistance and
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he's gonna he and his droid bb-8 are
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going to take it away and and go back to
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the resistance
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except of course the stormtroopers that
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we just saw taking off they land and
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abet a big a big battle ensues we get
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our first view of kylo Ren here who
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stops a a blaster blast in midair for a
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while and then when you let go at the
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it it continues its path he ends up
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taking podium ran back with him
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we also we also meet a storm trooper who
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gets who sees one of his buddies get
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killed and the blood from his buddy's
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hand is on his helmet which helps us
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identify which stormtrooper it is and he
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he refuses to participate in the
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slaughter of the of the village and is
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obviously very disturbed and and not
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participating to the point where we're
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color and actually notices on his way
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back to to his shuttle
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yeah i'm interested by that choice
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because I i wondered at the time you
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as some sort of possibly force related
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thing would be and and I I think that's
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still left kind of unclear as of the end
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of this movie whether or not that is
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true but it definitely because they talk
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a little bit about you know he's thin
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later on in terms of his like how all
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the stormtroopers are conditioned and
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programmed from a very early age he
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mentioned he was taken away from his his
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family they never knew them and so
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you're kind of left wondering like well
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what why did he make this choice if
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they're also brainwashing condition like
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what triggered that in him was just
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seeing you know one of his his other
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comrades die or is there something more
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going on is his first battle he says yes
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it's not as if you know he's being
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exposed to this but it's true what makes
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him different and what is kylo Ren
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noticing there just his lack of
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participation or is he noticing
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something else that is special about
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weapon and yeah and it's ending boundary
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condition we can she said he was he was
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guys he had a pilot ready for him and he
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thorn in the side because he's you know
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first star chick movie i remember having
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too coincidental Kirk crash land on a
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planet that is the same planet old Spock
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a heavy influence in like science and
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reason and rationality thought and all
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elements of the four so you i feel like
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happening to these people for reasons
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each other or the fact that they find
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the morning fuckin not to jump too far
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ahead but like the fact that Morsi
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awakening
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point of this my website that's not how
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the force works
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look don't get out of the ship because I
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everything is because of the force is a
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great plot device because like its way
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later we had like flashbacks and flash
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forwards like that is explicitly
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explained exactly how the force works
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all you'll see the past and the future
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all great we can go with that is the the
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ultimate plot device in any kind of
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movie it's like free foreshadowing and
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free backstory but but at some point you
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have to just say like you know these are
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just people like a bit there's no the
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force is not like fate right so I don't
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worry is you know I mean that just I
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think that's an open discussion
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well Finn is an open question we don't
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know I said I just think in this movie
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they weren't leaning heavily on any
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hints to defend really like you can
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everyone can't be for sensitive you
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gotta lay off a little bit so we'll see
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we'll see where the second movie goes
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it's a good
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programmer and says to kylo Ren which
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one of us talk first who talks to talk
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first hear that that was the first
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break-in them in
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movie like because it when you're
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starting this movie we got the craw
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Skywalker we're concerned about where
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Luke is and everything like i should
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always be royalty right and and then you
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don't know where you're going with this
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battles and shooting bb-8 go to disco to
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what the first character 22 joke to be
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snarky do not take a situation seriously
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bad situation which is a tone that is
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extremely prevalent in the original
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trilogy and this huge stretches of the
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prequels that are just straightforward
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talking about plot points and super deep
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feelings and I was sorry master i forgot
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you didn't like flying
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yeah it is but there's also it's also a
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very modern sensibility as far as humor
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goes like I felt like this was a kind of
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wine that you would see on like a like a
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like a Parks and Recreation speed
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commerce something like that which is
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which is fine again I think there's a
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lot of stuff in this movie that is like
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well you can't make a movie with you
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know even if its star wars and there's a
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certain amount of time listens to it you
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can't make a movie necessarily with the
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sensibilities of 1977 or 90 80 that you
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in 2015 it's just some stuff doesn't fly
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some stuff does but likey
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in this is snarky and stuff which is
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totally consistent but it even if L to
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leave in a little bit more not quite
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like break the fourth wall ridiculous in
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some ways but like and I liked it when I
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enjoyed it I laughed I I'd like I said
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up front this is I think the funniest
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written star wars movie of all of them
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not expect it i think that's the other
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thing is like it was so snarky and so
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kind of like self-referential in some
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ways that it seems surprising and
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jarring but it was still hilarious but a
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release tension to me because I was like
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a like it you know is this going to be
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like the prequels we're just basically
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in and it's as one is relying on you
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because you can be honest the whole
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moving be awesome like c The Godfather
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right but you can be honest all movie
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like yet source is filled with humor
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like having just watch the original
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trilogy leading up to this
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you just reminded of just it'sit's not
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simpsons level joke per minute but it's
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like it is not a scene that goes by
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without one good singer too good singer
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since you can have just an entire
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opening sequence with nobody saying that
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like an end it humanizes the characters
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in it lets us know that it's not going
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to be it's not expecting you to be all
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dark and serious and greedy for the
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whole thing that these are real people
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that they're using humor as a defense
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and that things are things are less
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formal like they should be less formal
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did the most formal is the Republican
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the prequels and then you've got the the
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rebellion and this is just like leftover
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chaos and garbage in factions and will
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be even more informal like it this pilot
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po of course he would be sarcastic and
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carefree he's not even really an account
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of military outfit is is in the
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resistance which is even more it you
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know informal then you know a rebel
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alliance
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roguish or gonna sage right and some fun
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backstory for people who have read some
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of the tie-in novels and that comics is
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that his parents i believe are both in a
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comic yeah that's right about shortly
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after and they're both Rebel Alliance
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pilots so kid is basically grown up his
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entire life in let's fight the Rebel
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talked about you know overall all of
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these characters having really beautiful
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kind of defined either arcs or just
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beings they feel like 3d 3d people and
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despite the fact Poe dameron's probably
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in the in this movie the least of our
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three sort of new main characters but he
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is instantly recognizable as like okay I
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know who this person is and very quickly
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become despite the fact that he has very
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few lines and very very little scene
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he actually feels like a person and and
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humor and some of the way that he
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interacts with bb-8 and with other
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characters really goes a long way into
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making him a shaded person even though
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he doesn't have a ton of screen time
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yeah we get most of his time here
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where he is that that that lying about
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who talks first and all that and then we
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see him in the interrogation where he is
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he is obviously survived a lot of
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interrogation already and is kind of
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mocking kylo Ren about it and you gotta
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do a better job and then he gets kind of
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forced and we see him groaning under the
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strain and then we cut to kylo Ren
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walking out of the room saying it's in a
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it's in a droid he got everything that
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he needs to know out of him so he wasn't
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one danger you have these movies is
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people trying to do the the mapping oh
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Luke Skywalker and that's a new Princess
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Leia and I thought it was a smart
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decision to intentionally or not resist
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that straight mapping because you go
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with poets like oh he's like the Han
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Solo is the sarcastic you know guy who's
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making quips and do it but he's not he's
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so much more like Ernest and bouncy and
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optimum
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stick and good-natured that but he's not
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the looky there because he doesn't have
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any for stuff and you you know he's a
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good pilot he's his own person like you
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keep trying to do the mapping is like
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what you see more like looky now he's a
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new character his name is powe this is
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what he's like and that comes through in
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his scenes and I felt like a lot of
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things they did want to emphasize the
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ways that this is not your new Han Solo
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proxy this is not your new luck our
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proxy this is a new person and this is
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what this person is like this but his
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droid is like the street is you know
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like that was some refreshing I think
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that's a really good way of putting it
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because I felt like yeah I definitely
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was trying to do that in my head in some
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ways it's going along and almost to the
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point of feeling like well it's almost
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like a mix and match game but I think
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you you nailed you hit the nail on the
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head would be you know these really are
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ya there are traits within them that are
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reminiscent of traits that we've know
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from other Star Wars characters or other
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characters in general that we have seen
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in fiction but none of them are cookie
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cutters of previous character and
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especially especially him i think he
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could have been so close but a few
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scenes that he's in his general like a
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goofy good-natured optimism is so unlike
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Han Solo's like cynical worldview that
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all behind Solis's is just shaken out of
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him he's just so happy to see that guy
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he's he's an idealist clearly to write
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like you mean the fact that he's in the
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resistance period signifies that even
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though if he's like if your key
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resistance crack cases like you should
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but he's also a do-gooder he's a deputy
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white American baby
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he's the new guy in his name is powe
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we'll just go with the New Republic's
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best pilot he knows he knows
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general and by name so it's been kung fu
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panda kinda yes he's he's pretty great
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one of the things that I i noticed from
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that interrogation scene by the way it's
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very quick and I wonder if there were
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more shots that had to be taken out for
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the pg-13 rating but as as ren leaves if
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you look at this in future and future
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viewings the entire bottom side of his
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face is covered in blood and I i imagine
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that there was at one point of shot of
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like actually like you know your
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traditional oh no my mind is being
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probed blood is coming out of various
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orifices I'm glad they didn't show that
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because i feel like it's become kind of
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a an archetype in turn are
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but just a trope in terms of that but it
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but seeing that very quick shot of oh my
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god his face is completely you know
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covered in geyser in blood that's oh my
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god this guy this guy doesn't mess
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there's more blood in the first 10
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minutes of his movie than probably any
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of them except for maybe a new hope and
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then there's not there's not much blood
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in any of the Star Wars movies I like
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that they didn't they don't overdo it
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you know there are a couple scenes
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especially early on but I feel like it's
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not it's not like it's not like guys but
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everything was really that would not
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feel like a star wars movie right like
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you know there is a certain amount of
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its not sanitized but it's colorized
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let's say the interrogation scene like
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that is also am basically mechanically
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sound good competent filmmaking
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introducing the scary thing that the bad
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guy can do that will come up more than
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once in the movie that will become a
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significant thing you have to become
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familiar with and also establishes him
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as a scary president is a force choke
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him know you just stand there and stare
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and now he's got the extended handling
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and I wonder if like that was the actor
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who came up with that it was in the
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script like his move is he extends his
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hand and puts us five fingers in front
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of his face in a certain way and it
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physically is like on like pulling the
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thoughts out of your head and that's
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that's his thing like I can you know
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it's kind of like you know an empathetic
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bond where like I can see what's in your
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head and I could feel what you're
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feeling and is using it to you know for
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evil ends to get information out of them
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and it works it establishes this is a
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real thing and he's pretty good at any
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kind of enjoys it in the super creepy
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that was all really good and it's not
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just that one seeing this will this will
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become important later and it said just
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good solid storytelling and also to your
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point earlier about that how not mapping
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characters obviously this kylo Ren is
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meant to evoke darth vader and you know
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that becomes clearer and clearer as we
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go along but it's also very clear from
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the beginning that he is not Darth Vader
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right i mean he's a lot of these things
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their scenes where he's like crouching
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down like the way he speaks it is these
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you know his speech patterns incredibly
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different much as formalized for reasons
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that we will discover ya in on the in
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the the nitrate on jakku at one point
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when he says to take programmer and with
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them in the shuttle
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he's like taking us or something so i
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totally
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lost off and I'm like no he's not he's
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not speaking as Darth Vader when he's
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not it's not be more with whores voice
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right god it's like it's very casual a
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lot of points and he has these moments
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with a lot of the other characters even
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interrogation scenes or something
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working speeches very colonial very fast
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and that's again it resists that define
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because he's not the fader you know
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India the darth vader fan
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yeah he's a fanboy the key scene with
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with him is there's a scene where he's
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brought bad news
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bye-bye somebody who's wearing his
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little outfit that's similar to the
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outfits that the guys who brought Darth
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Vader bad news right and the guy is
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totally expecting especially when he
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turns his lightsaber on totally expected
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to be chopped in half by kylo Ren and
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we're expecting him to be chopped in
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half by kylo Ren and what does he do he
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has a temper tantrum and smashes up the
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tables and stuff and then he does choke
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the guy like 10 asked the well you have
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any s is there anything else they said
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well there was a girl to when he chokes
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him a little bit and then you let him he
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lets him go
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so this is not Darth Vader right Darth
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Vader was just like super cool customer
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and had it all together when they're
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just gonna char the HR departments have
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this fight against joking their
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employees
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yeah first order is i still kill
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employees were they were very valuable
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you have a new policy on destroying the
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equipment like maybe a special tantrum
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room it was like a good shot expensive
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consoles and you know that's the bridge
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someone's gotta come in there and fix
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that no no but he's a bit that's the
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whole point with him and we learn as we
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learn more about him have he has he is a
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well he's a he's a baby
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he said he has he's a big baby and he
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has temper tantrums and he's a he's a
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essentially a child with force powers
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who is being exploited poorly trained by
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by a very bad person is exploited badly
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trained al indulged to do what sort of
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oil whatever he was he is spoiled and
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and you know we learn more about that as
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a ghost but it's very clear from the
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very beginning that he's you know he
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doesn't have it together he has he
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didn't have a nice little tidy office
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that he goes in with it takes his mask
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off yes he has he just freaks the hell
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out and lightsabers up a room from time
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to time it's not
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it's really going to New Hope where
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Vader had sort of a corporate competitor
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like you know me like really where they
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were in the boardroom and having
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arguments and stuff but you know Vader
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had not yet emerged as the clear top of
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the pyramid in the Imperial organization
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until conveniently the rest of them are
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blowing up and he tumbled away right
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really helped his career but this one
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same thing kylo Ren you think well he's
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the guy with 4th power surely he's in
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charge but he's got his co-workers
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always in there undermining into his
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boss and yeah dirty looks and stuff and
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it's clear that like you maybe have
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force powers but like competency wise i
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mean it's a it's a pretty fair fight
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here like they're both kind of a little
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bit young and and fresh and brash but
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they have and they both have ambitions
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his ambitions I want to be like Darth
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video guys ambition is maybe I want to
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be like Hitler not quite sure what he'll
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do is don't mess with the weasleys yeah
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yeah no you know um so before we move on
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just one a couple quick things about
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tone and just general set dressing sound
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on the initial after that anit those
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initial few shots in space which are
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very jabe rooms we get these beautiful
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sets on jakku and this very it feels
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small in a in a way that star wars
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movies haven't felt in a long time where
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I mean I think one of the one of the big
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downfalls of the prequels and I was
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thinking about this the more than that
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after seeing the force awakens for a
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second time and is you get sort of this
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these big giant gaping sets like these
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huge palaces on Naboo you get the
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Galactic Senate on and even even on
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Tatooine was like let's do a giant
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podracing stadium what's not and and
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with force awakens we're back to these
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very sort of small it almost intimate
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sets that feel
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not not quite real in a in a weird they
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feel movie real they feel like they are
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they're almost sets in there almost
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reality and that really works for me for
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Star Wars this kind of this this slight
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off-putting feeling of this isn't a real
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town or doesn't quite feel like a real
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town but at the same time it very much
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sets the scene for what it needs to the
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fact that when bb-8 roll
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the way you can see all of this action
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happening in the background and it just
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feels so lived in it feels authentic and
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the fact the fact that there's a you
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know there's a revamped x-wing that's
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sitting there and huge and in I don't
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know there's there's tangible wait to
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has that sort of weedy lived-in feel on
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holy and charger if he was in charge of
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sound this go around but the modulation
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on adam drivers voice for kylo Ren is
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perfect i love the fact that everything
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feels compressed they did this wonderful
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wonderful thing where they essentially
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mix so you have this room tone and then
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anytime he speaks it's almost like
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turning on am almost like turning on a
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calm where there's this little bit of
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fuzz and then all of a sudden all the
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room tone goes away and then he has this
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slightly muffled short clipped speech
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different as we were talking about
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earlier it's a very different style than
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james earl jones it doesn't have the
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booming i'm on a pretty you know i'm on
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a dais I am powerful Darth Vader and it
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boy but the the fact that as well he
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speaking basically all the air just
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disappears and you just hear these quick
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little short flip sentences
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it's every time he speaks it feels
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almost like a bullet in the scene just
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Bam Bam he had to send away to later fan
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com to get that means it worked hard and
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I'd like because that's that's one of
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the big great payoffs later when he
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takes the helmet off the idea like he
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doesn't need the helmet but his hero
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Darth Vader had the helmet so he sure as
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hell want to helmet and he doesn't need
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something to change his voice product
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Bader had one so he's going to check out
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better fan common look at the best
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modular they have it may be customized
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it to give him that sinister types and
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on your right like we had so many recent
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movies where the bag
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it was weird voices whether it's Batman
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with bein or Batman himself or any other
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movement or someone tries to sound
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sinister gravely and it's really easy
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for it to go bad obviously Darth Vader
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is like the first the canonical like
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that defined his character they did such
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a good job with essentially just james
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earl jones booming voice and heavy
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breathing in between some little bit of
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fuzz thrown in and that was it and you
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can just repeat that but you get a lot
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of mileage out of the fact that this it
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in universe in character is someone who
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idolizes Darth Vader that of course is
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gonna try to do something like that
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everything you what you wanted to be
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understandable and also sinister and I
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think it's also important that like
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Darth Vader himself that his out of mask
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voice differs substantially from his in
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mask was like when you get you know the
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helmet comes off in Jedi and and I can
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talk and you're like oh he sounds so
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different obviously it's a different guy
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that picks but even if it's the same
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accurate and garbage talking through the
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fuzz and not talking with fuzz helmet
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off different you know different scene
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different different vibe entirely yeah
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and into the point earlier point about
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CGI and you know like the fact that
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there's actual tangible stuff here i
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think that this this takes the right
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advantage of CGI and uses it in places
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where it is smart to do so and reduced
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and provides a better product and then
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doesn't apply in places where it doesn't
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need it and we're practical sets and
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practical effects work much better
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disagree with a few minor points will
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get to the bad section i think overall
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they make good choices on on where to
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deploy that we're not it's not
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universally perfect because they you
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know i would love to have seen some some
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characters that were more based on
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puppets but I think unfortunately that's
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just not the way that that is going
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right now but it is nice that they the
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problem as we've all admitted the
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problem with a lot of the prequels is
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just the overabundance of CGI every
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single thing being fulfilled against a
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blue screen for the most part that is
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not done here it shows the direction
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shows the dead that JJ was can talk to
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actors too so you know even in his first
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10 minutes we're looking at something
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very very different no Emperor said that
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a a large part of the cgi for the non
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you know nan nan did like the onset cgi
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stuff was erasing wires and things that
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they did a lot of practical stuff and
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then the cgi was just
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used to hide the controls for the
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practical things i would say about this
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and we should just talk about jakku more
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generally because otherwise we'll be
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here until morning i would say this is
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very cool is a very Star Wars II kind of
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place and the i say that because it's
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full of garbage and that is that is star
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wars to me
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Star Wars to me like we see raise
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apartment right where she's living and
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it's just bullcrap and she's got her
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x-wing doll x-wing pilot doll and she's
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got next wing blast helmet that she
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wears at one point for fun and and it is
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a and she makes her little kind of bread
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out of powder and and is grilling her
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meat on her about her Bochy or whatever
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and you're like she's surrounded by
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technology what she does is scavenge
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technology and yet she's not living in a
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shiny future
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she's living in the just the pits in
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terms of of her her standard of living
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she's going day-to-day and finding
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garbage and bringing it back for scraps
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essentially and then we get the reveal
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that she's literally living inside a
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wall of fallen walker that's okay and
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that is star wars to me is stuff like it
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the fact and then throughout the jacuzzi
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scenes right down to the fact that at
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one point when the the two fighters are
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chasing the Millennium Falcon and Finn
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hits one of them and it crashes into the
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into the sand the scavengers immediately
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run over to it to pick it up pick it for
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parts immediately because that's what
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you do on jakku because it is a garbage
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planet and the people who are surviving
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there are subsisting on picking through
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the wreckage of this space battle that
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was there 30 years before that's very
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Star Wars to me
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speaking of the scale thing that the non
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kylo Ren said previously this the scale
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that I think of like the tote to
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describe it is the even though it's
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different tone is the blue milk scale
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their scene in which the scale things
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that are significant to the scene are at
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the level of blue milk and there's tons
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of them here you just mentioned the food
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preparation thing or even just hanging
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out of the stall where you figure out
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where you're going to get for your stuff
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yeah it is it is a ate a small scale
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like it's still set it's still an
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outdoor
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thing or like you know inside your
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little hot or whatever but that that i
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think is a really important part of this
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movie they spend a lot of time on to
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their credit establishing ray her life
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her routine in giving it room to breathe
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giving it room to see her crawling
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around the Star Destroyer like you have
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to spend a year on doesn't have to be a
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subplot where she runs away from
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something inside the Star Destroyer she
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goes into town tries to get the money
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should bring the thing back she makes
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her meal sheets it she puts on the
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helmet like the give that room to
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breathe to get you to identify with
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character yes but to give you even a
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better picture of her life than you ever
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gotten even Luke swear he's complaining
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about having to go out to the fields or
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whatever
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especially a lifelike as it doesn't
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there's a lot of dialogue I think she
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has a pretty lonely life doesn't live
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with a bunch of the people she doesn't
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have friends she's not talking about you
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know being jealous of her friends and
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and bags went off to the rebellion
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there's no bigs it's just her and yet
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she lives in and started for injunction
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neck and a guy who's really mean to her
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and weird bread that they probably have
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in Japan that comes out of the water and
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so I really love i really love the blue
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milk scale that entire thing and i love
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the amount of time a dedicated to what I
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think it really helped movie yeah i
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agree let's uh let's talk about Ray
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before we get to Finn one of our one of
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our main characters we meet her she's a
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scavenger she's picking things out of a
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imperial star destroyer i will say that
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that is crash i will i'll point out that
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i believe that's basically a match cut
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that we see a pole being being taken
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prisoner and and there on the there on
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the Star Destroyer in the inn in the
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launch Bay and then she's in the launch
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Bay of the destroyed Star Destroyer it's
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just kind of a nice contrast that
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they're on one that's working and cheese
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and the one that is just a piece of
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garbage on the ground super cool that's
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pretty nice but she's so so ray when we
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meet her she's a scavenger
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she's very she's but she's also marking
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time on the inside of her a department
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waiting for somebody and who has not
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shown up and then you know she she meets
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she meets a droid who doesn't want to
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doesn't want to abandon her and follows
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her around
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and so we're gonna I guess we're gonna
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have to talk about bb-8 as well but uh
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you know she's she ends up being this
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kind of amazing character I had a moment
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later the movie where I thought well
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wait a second now so she's basically a
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Jedi in training or will be in training
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but she's got force powers and she can
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fly the Millennium Falcon and has to
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bacchus or copilot what can she do we
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need anybody else
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this is just go she's also a nobody she
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has no friends
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yeah he is she is professionally weird
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front basically from isolation like she
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is self-sufficient screw myself and yeah
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some might say self-sufficient to a
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fault and like it she's such an
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interesting quirky character because i
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didn't like in getting back to like
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comparing to look who's our closest
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analogue he seemed like he like went to
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school like he went to middle school and
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he went to high school and he's working
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the field he's got friends and hang out
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or whatever she is a weird she's like a
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weird hermit and training like she's got
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nothing going on and she's clearly like
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very cerebral and in her in her world
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and her in her interactions with ensure
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she interacts with in the way someone
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who lived alone out in the woods but
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even though she goes into town every day
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but none of those people are her friends
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like they have the scene where she looks
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at the old woman scrubbing the parts get
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looks like that woman but she goes back
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to know I'm waiting I'm waiting for
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those people like if if we want to save
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going to say is there anything in there
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this especially people who were not big
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fans of female characters as leads in
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movies and be like oh well she's a
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mary-sue because she's good at
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everything and to that i say screw you
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good I'm know if but she's not she's not
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she's not she's not good at everything
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the fact that she's she's talented at a
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number of things yes um what all of
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these have actual basis and definition
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her character like she's talented in
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electronics and tech because she's grown
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around electronics in tech and this is
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done in such a going back to prequel
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comparison here this is done in such a
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such more organic way than Anakin's
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affinity with tech is done in the in the
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prequels where it's like all I'm just
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really good at fixing things like guess
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i'm just going to comment about how I'm
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really good at fixing and flying things
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yeah where is Ray is just kind of like
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yeah I can do that I can fix that I can
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figure that out probably oh that was the
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wrong switch okay well we'll fix it
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somewhere else
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good timing yeah well like she's that
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one character what happens at one point
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yeah run it not even her piloting she
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gets a lot of things for someone who's
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always Mary Sue she's an expert pilot
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not not really she really things up that
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money fucking quite significant figures
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it out as my question in fact about her
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background is I can understand her being
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mechanically savvy because she is
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crawling around inside of various crash
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spaceships and salvaging them but when
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she talks about being able to fly unless
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she's completely BS in fin
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she's completely BS in fin
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I had a question what drives that should
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she drives the speeders like yeah here's
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my backstory for like you have a pilot
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right Luke is doing the same thing on
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Tatooine is like oh you know I'm a great
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pilot was like well where you flying
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well he's like what you guys are doing
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and come on you're exactly right but
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it's not you're going in space so i have
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to think that in various x rays had the
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opportunity to do the equivalent of
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beggars Canyon you're not flying very
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high and maybe he received drives around
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speeders but part of like salvaging and
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getting things like surely she's had the
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opportunity to various times to repair
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and ride every kind of speed and every
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kind of like a low-level womp rat
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bullseye beggars canyons you know
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zooming type of video we just don't know
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we don't think we don't know her
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background but I think that shows when
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she gets in the big ship which is not
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like what you mean your t16 back home
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and has no idea what the hell to do with
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that thing
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yeah and she comes she figures it out
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but it's very much a trial-and-error its
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carbon that should be garbage that she
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was garbage
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what I really liked about that just a
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character in general is how incredibly
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naive and vulnerable she is in some
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regards like that the shot of her
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sitting at the base of her a department
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with the Rebel Alliance helmet and just
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looking up at the stars and just has
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this this strange goofy grin on her face
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when she's like yeah I'm pretty much in
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the worst place imaginable but i have
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these tangible links to my potential
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tangible links to my past and someone's
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coming from me and I can believe in like
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a greater power which is and it was done
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so much in such a better way than in it
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that even the Luke origin story where
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you know Lou Luke is a Luke suffers from
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some some teenage angst lose super whiny
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and annoying in a way that is looked
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away his name is it were me come on
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yeah I think ray is raised character is
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fantastic i mean i love that you know as
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point out that she can be sort of
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strange and off-putting but she's also
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like super self-sufficient
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I think the some of the best scenes with
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her are running around with a within why
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do you keep taking my hand I can run
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like that
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it's really great that what are you
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doing for you today that was that was
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another because you're going to be a
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he's trying to be a hero and she's like
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I'm fine I got it together why are you
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taking my hand and asking me if I'm okay
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that was that was kind of beautiful i
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think the casting a just doesn't make to
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make a note about the casting of days
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really who before this is in very little
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she's done like a handful TV episodes
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essentially i don't know where they
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found her but amazing at the yeah
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closest analogue I could think of that
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she actually really reminded me of
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hayley atwell like doing anything and I
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was like how he had this is totally
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channeling the same thing for me and in
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the same great way because I i love
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hayley atwell his portrayal of agent
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Carter in that way and so I think that
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the Rays just she's she's a kind of
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heroin that we don't see enough and
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again you kind of have to resist the
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mapping of her onto Princess Leia
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because she is similar in that she is a
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you know a heroine who's gonna you know
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make you fight her own battles and stuff
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like that but she's she's spunky and
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kind of self sufficient in a way that we
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get and not and and down-to-earth and
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not like kind of icy royalty right like
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there's a very different character here
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she's as John would say she's different
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character name is ray and I think that
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it's incredibly well done
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I thought the character was well done i
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thought the portrayal was the the best
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as she and john-boy I feel like your
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time for my favorite characters here but
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yeah that's this
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she's great
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really get introduced to her as a
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fighter i love the fact that John Vegas
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character essentially stumbles stumbles
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into town and here's you know fighting
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going on and his first thought is oh
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shit oh crap
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the first order and he looks up and it's
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this girl and he's like oh no you're in
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trouble
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I'm gonna save you and he takes two
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steps and then she precedes to high kick
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somebody in the face and then beats
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everybody else down for trying to steal
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her droid and that it it's just it's
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such a lovely subversion of again the
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traditional both women in distress and
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just I you know
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oh yes I'm a hero i'm gonna save you oye
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you can save yourself then I'm just
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awkwardly staring here okay and now I
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gotta run
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it's not just as a version but like what
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they typically do in the movies where
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they want to do this like you know that
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the whole terrible thing I don't has
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ever got coin but the whole idea of a
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strong female character worse where
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people hear the word strong and I think
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like muscles and they're not thinking of
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it as in like a well-constructed female
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character because they would say well
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strong that's the word you picked and
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that's the word everybody says but like
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what movies tend to do is overcompensate
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so an actual Mary Sue or whatever like
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that the the woman lead is not only is
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she not the typical you know damsel in
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distress but in fact the movie takes
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great pains to show that she is actually
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better than all the men in the movie
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which is not what you it's over
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compensating it's not what you need to
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do it as in like the only way we can
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pull this off is to essentially you know
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to make our two times as good as the men
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and then she'll be accepted as an equal
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to the men whereas in this movie but
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they do with with Daisy is just have her
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go about her life and the wheels going
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about it and then have the men have the
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men be the ones who act differently than
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in other movies so the woman doesn't
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have to be too at times as good as
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everyone else they have to have the men
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come upon and the man is the one who has
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the instinct that that that has the
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movie tropes and he has to change his
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behavior he has to go oh wait this isn't
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going the way I thought it would go
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he's the one who does different things
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not seen her seen can play without him
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being there straight up
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she's assaulted that trying to get BBA
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backsheet fend them off that seemed to
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work fine but but the guy is there and
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the only thing that is different about
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the scene is how how fins section of the
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scene goes cutting out of the scene the
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scene play straight and it's fine put it
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an interesting and the seams still plays
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the same way but he's the one whose
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expectations observer and the thing I
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love about Ray is it's clear that her
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isolation has led to her not even being
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and her lifestyle has led to her not
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even being exposed to the gender roles
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that Finn has clearly at least been
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exposed to a little bit he's grabbing
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her hand she doesn't even have a context
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to understand why in the world would you
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be trying to grab my hand like I'm a
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child or something to lead me away right
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and like you know they are you okay
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she has no precedent for like why would
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man be coming up to me said yeah I'm
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alright let's let's go like you cannot
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really like she doesn't have context for
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the end makes sense because why would
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you have the context because she's been
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self-sufficient she's been she's
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socially isolated as well as physically
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isolated from people so i just love the
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fact that she's allowed to be herself
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and that everybody else's patterns and
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expectations are screwed up and they
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bounce off and it doesn't she doesn't
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have to be the one to say I will now
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express the reality down on you be by
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being 20 times as awesome as every man
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and therefore that's why that's why you
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that all now except that i will accept
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as good as I am
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even Han Solo later you know later when
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they're when they're in the Millennium
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Falcon together you know she's kind of
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matter-of-factly is like I'm gonna come
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sit in the copilot's seat and you're
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gonna deal with it because you need
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somebody to prime these fuel pumps also
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you know if I hadn't been around you
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probably would have exploded in
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hyperspace so good you know I'm just I'm
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just gonna be here I'm gonna do my thing
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I i know a little bit about ships it's
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cool yeah she's a she's also essentially
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she's the chosen one right i mean that's
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where we end up with is that she's also
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she's also really good because she
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special like these these kinds of
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stories have the chosen one who has the
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power that you know she's been living on
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this off in the middle of nowhere but
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she's actually vitally important person
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in the galaxy because she's got the the
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powers at the force and perhaps her
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history ties into that but it doesn't
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really matter because you know she's
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feeling that Roland so of course she's
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awesome but she doubts that role much
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more than look too by the way because
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like Luke is like well I i'm looking at
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you know look off to the horizon and i
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would like to go out and he wants to be
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great rebel pilot and he becomes a great
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pilot he seems to fall pretty natural
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into of course I'm not before some
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pretty important guy like a really
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awesome pilot and I help the rebels with
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the whole death star thing and she's
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like adult you know in the trailer
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I'm nobody liked it takes her some
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convincing for she doesn't see
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lightsaber like this is my destiny I
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must take up the mantle she's like no
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like she's still thinking about getting
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back and wait for our family to come
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back on jakku she's she's not
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immediately said well of course I've
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always known my entire life I would be
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the savior of the entire universe she
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hasn't known that she just wants her
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parents to whoever was that to come back
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and she is very resistant to the idea of
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her being special or a savior in any way
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yeah let's talk about where we're
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hitting all the characters here so let's
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talk about thin we should get to it
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John boyega he is the defect he is the
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storm trooper who effects essentially
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but he's not in the resistance
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no no i'm totally on the resistance now
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I'm actually I'm not the resistance and
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i really love definitely in the
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resistance
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um I love the idea
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random Star Wars you know like random
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tidbits obviously like his operating
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number fn-2187 2187 is layers cell on
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the Death Star so like that's totally
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thanks for yet another knotted to our
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our previous one but i really ask again
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you know I i love this character because
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he is well he is a clearly like a
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character that works in the star wars
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universe he's not a character we've
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never really dealt with before he's
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kinda wants to do the good thing but
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he's also really kind of out for himself
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and he doesn't really want to fight for
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a cause but he's not like cynical and
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jaded like he is like kind of attempting
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to be a hero but he also kind of knows
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where to draw the lines a little bit of
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a coward but he does seem to come
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through when the chips are down
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I just I really enjoy John play goes
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performance he is enthusiastic and
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hilarious and number of ways like why
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you bring me it's the right thing to do
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and you need a pilot
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I need a pilot and so i I just I thought
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it was such an interesting character to
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watch him develop over the course of
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this movie and I think him and it's
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great that he and Daisy really have
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fantastic chemistry because i feel like
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the two of them in any scene was great
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like they just the way they bounce off
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each other is perfect i thought he and
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oscar isaac also have fantastic the
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whole time fighter sequence well they're
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escaping from the Star Destroyer is just
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great and the enthusiasm with which they
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greet each other when they finally
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reconnect is just so welcome and and
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cool right like it's there is no macho
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male strutting there's no trying to out
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man each other there's no competing
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they're just genuinely super excited to
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see each other and that they're not dead
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and and that's refreshing and it's great
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to see that kind of camaraderie now
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let's it's cut its camaraderie under
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we're ok we're going to be thrown into
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these crazy situations together and and
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and something great is gonna come out of
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it and it's the the same interaction
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that he has with poe dameron he has
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almost immediately with with Ray as well
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where it's okay I'm you know he he
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originally gets chased after x ray and
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bb-8 because BBA
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a droid who we should talk about a job
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and I'm seize Finn is like you're
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wearing my Master's check it is where
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you guys don't know what you're shocked
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you what are you don't my gosh which is
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it was funny so great but it's only so I
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i really like John boyega I think you
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did a great job Finn is a problematic
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character in some ways and and follow me
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here he he does not have a direction in
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this area because i'm a role you know
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his his he does his direction is a ways
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that's nice about it is that he did he
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has bravely a character that wants to
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run away and axon that feeling a lot he
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does not want hehe at no point really
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does he want to join the fray until I
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guess the very end he really is about
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and we see it most it when they're at
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the at the the cantina basically and
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he's like I want to talk to those guys
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about going to the outer rim that's good
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i'm just trying to get out of here it's
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like it and yes that's a little bit like
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Han saying I just want to play not like
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yeah he was here I get bigger he's got
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PTSD essentially from being a
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stormtrooper he doesn't he wants out of
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this whole thing even at the end he just
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wants to go back and get raised like
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whatever your mission like the only
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reason he's like come with me ray and go
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to the outer rim like he wants to run
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away really badly and is never convinced
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that i need to join the resistance
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nopee just want to say ray okay well if
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you want to let me finish what I was
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saying is he's like Han in saying I just
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want to get paid in the sense that his
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goals are not initially what other
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people's goals are right and and his his
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goal is is essentially i just want to go
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away I will lie and say that I'm part of
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the resistance it will get me further
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away you the first order is gonna win we
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need to run away from them come with me
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and we'll run away and and so it's an
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interesting it's an interesting are can
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do he ends up getting kinda hit by a
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lightsaber in the back and we never hear
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from him again he's just sort of like oh
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he'll be fine
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kiss him on the forehead see ya later
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buddy and then and then that's it so
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it's he's an interesting character
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because he is not though he's not the
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lead raise the lead but he is he is one
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of our important characters and he
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hasn't yet you know by the end perhaps
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the first time we see him in the next
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movie he
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now have a direction but in this movie
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he is he is not with the program at any
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point and it's kind of fun but it's it's
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it's I don't know it's it's an
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interesting choice because that means
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that he's you know he ate almost every
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scene he's their kind of because he
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doesn't want to be but while he's here
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you might as well do something useful
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that sort of his rights is like it's
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like r2d2 c3po they had they they come
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from space on the Star Destroyer down to
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the planet set the plot in motion but
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essentially there they are essentially
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direction as well it's not as if c-3po
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has a big stake and and the rebellion in
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the empire but those droids trace you
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through the whole plot so thin spinning
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out of his little you know start
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stormtrooper thing end up spinning down
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the planet picking up people as he goes
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and spinning through and at various
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times trying to get away more than the
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droids but they then again r2 r2 is on a
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mission so we had something to do with
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c-3po was like yeah you know me from the
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windows of these the bars Nostra
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recognition yeah all right finish the
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c-3po of this movie fine or the floor or
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the forest like yeah i mean like i don't
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think he needs to have any direction
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other than a wheel that is that is the
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experience of his character
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it'll be interesting when in the next
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movie if they turn him into a company
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man or whatever but for now like I I
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enjoy the fact like even even the Rebel
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Alliance thing like oh yeah I'm part of
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the rebound he was saying that to
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impress a girl yeah it's only his only
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connections are personal like he has a
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friend who cares about the friends and
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by the end of this movie is not yet
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convinced of anything having to do with
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the geopolitical struggle he doesn't
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even have a name until very early
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that's true here right like he's not
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trying to overthrow the the first-order
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he just wants to be
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he just wants to be gone right he just
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wants to be out of there and not killing
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people and and has not said I you know
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again I'm not a member of the of the
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resistance that's not who he is yet it's
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it's and we'll talk about this i'm sure
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a little bit later one of the delights
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of this movie is that it is very clearly
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the first in a in a in a new story and
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so not everything
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there's a lot of loose ends there's a
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room and is an orphan start energy and
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exactly right and there's time he
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doesn't need to come all the way around
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so at the end he's like I have joined
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the resistance now and now i have
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learned my important character trait
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that has changed me as a person that
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doesn't really happen he gets knocked
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bye bye bye Adam driver and and it
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nursed back to health back at the base
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at the end of the movie and that's it
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right but he shows character though
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right like that's the thing sure to pick
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up a lightsaber and does a little
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lightsaber battle which is cool
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um anybody more to the point it's about
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i mean like a you know I think that's
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turning his friend well yeah exactly
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like everybody and puts the entire
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resistance at risk to go back and save
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his friend on Starkiller base this is
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true so so he is a hero of some sort
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even if a cowardly reluctant hero at
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times I mean I think that's where I like
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collected lying here okay fine I'm okay
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with that
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nobody cares nobody cares about other
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people he's got he's got his guy he's
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not careful is not battery more alright
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he's just yeah he's he's got his own
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agenda and it's fine like it's a it's a
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noble agenda to a certain extent even if
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it is more limited in its worldview and
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that's what I like about it is that you
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know he does pick up the lightsaber
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defendants friend even when it's pretty
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clear that he's gonna get his ass kicked
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yes for me what a-what nothing
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necessarily redeems Finn but what makes
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finais a exciting character and
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something that I'm really looking
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forward to seeing them flush out in the
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next feat to movies is that last battle
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where essentially he's come all this way
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to rescue ray and she doesn't really
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need rescuing but you know he's gonna
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he's gonna be there for her anyway and
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when she gets flung 30 feet into a tree
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and he doesn't know if she's gonna wake
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up essentially like I have the last time
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that this dude was alone with Ray he
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dragged her off to god-knows-where and
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did god-knows-what to her and I don't
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know but like she's my friend and she's
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somebody I care about and i'm going to
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take a stand and that I think is his
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defining moment in this movie and he
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wasn't as telegraphed as well as it
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could have been but I like and I know
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that they're going to be people who are
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super bummed out that Finn is not the
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Jedi in this movie and you know maybe
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movie is for Ferris who knows least you
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still got two movies got used to use a
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lightsaber a bit here a while that is
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his personal culmination of his story is
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that he said he's fighting to save for
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it's just like there's not that moment
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where he where he says all right
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everybody i'm going to join up because
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that the we'll deal with that later
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right it's just another movie
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their inner demons because it's clearly
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feels bad about himself he feels bad
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that he was a stormtrooper he also got
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it feels bad that he was a traitor
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because people are always yelling
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traitor and yeah as bad as bad with that
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sculpture Gaius that is to say like you
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know if you like I'm a traitor because
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you guys are bad like like but every
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just asking why the trash is he's always
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right factor like he doesn't get much in
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the way of lines to develop his own
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character like to explain to say out
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loud what his character is doing but he
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does have one which is you know why did
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you lie about the the rebel things
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because she looked at me away no one
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else has ever looked at me for no one
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else has ever looked up he doesn't feel
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he's worthy of admiration and when Ray
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looks admiringly add him when he thinks
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when when she thinks he's part of the
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resistance
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that's why he buys into that line is so
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resistant to give it up and why he
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attaches on ray so much is like this is
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someone who looked up to me if if
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briefly for a reason for like you know
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and that's why he wants this part you
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know he is he is neat he's in need of he
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needs to believe that he is actually
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good person when really he isn't most of
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the things he does are not good and
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that's why he's so attached array and so
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fighting the Stormtrooper is trying to
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to fight against his old self like I'm
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not I'm not you guys anymore you guys
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are bad and I don't like what you do and
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then fighting to try to defend Rafe
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usually because he's really bad at it it
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is him defending this one person who
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briefly looked up to him so I don't I
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don't know where he goes from here but I
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think it's tough self-esteem was his big
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problem in this migraine that and and
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having a lot of badlock yeah that never
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having a blaster winning needs one
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yeah okay bb-8 let's see the alevi be a
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what a what a what a fun droid this is
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this little but I'll just before I no
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rain is going to talk about great bb-8
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it is here i'll just say i love that Han
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Solo calls in ball move ball so i didn't
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i didn't think it was possible to
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actually enjoy bb-8 as much as i did in
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that I i went into it basically being
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like of course is he's a little droid on
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e I'm gonna love him by default i'm
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holding a tiny bb-8 in my hand I bought
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one long before I saw the movie so
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clearly already had like a pro droid
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bias going into this
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but i think the moment that he endeared
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himself the most to me is that initial
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meeting with ray I where he you know
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she's just like town's that way go deal
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with your secret mission
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I don't want to deal with you I don't
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have friends grumble and BB just looks a
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tray and then starts purring and I don't
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know what it was about vba as tiny cat
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which totally sold it for me and I'm
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like yep
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ok i'm on board this train I but the the
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thing that I really love about bb-8 is a
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he's he's his own lovable self without
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having to play on our two strips in fact
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he's despite being an astromech and
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having our to like mechanisms on I don't
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feel like I feel like he and r2 are
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completely different droids
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I don't you don't have vb it doesn't
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feel like one of the endless remixes of
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droids that we saw in the original
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trilogy right this is a it's around
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droid it is this is a different kind of
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creature and when sounds different too
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good good sound design on bb-8 being
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seen it distinct from r2d2 yes yet at
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the heez I think much more whereas our
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tues Artoo's curious but naaa na like
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almost selfless way i want to say or to
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just kind of barrels into things
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bb-8 i think is much more like Oh are we
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going into this now okay but I want to
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see where the bad guys are going to peek
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out between your legs but uh I'm gonna
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stay back here and you know I don't heat
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he just has such this except except when
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he like chest bumps r2d2 try to wake him
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up at all sad to me that was so sad
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which it literally felt BB is a kitten
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of this Lincoln baby
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it is a tiny is a tiny droid kitten with
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boundless energy and the ability to do
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crazy things but then he comes up to you
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know he comes up to the veteran droids
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he comes up to r2 and it's just kind of
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like knock knock mr. cat wake up with
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Ruby obviously bb-8 like all droids
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broadcast like a wireless signal about
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who they are and what's going on with
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them because because I c-3po in the in
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the scene where we see that c-3po and
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explains that you might not understand
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who he is because he's got a red arm
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which is a good joke he immediately says
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come on bb-8 let's get out of here my
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god they knew each other yeah really
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funny video is is fluent in over six
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million forms of communication human you
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always assume that all droids know each
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sure I is my personal favorite BBA teens
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were still wouldn't be missed the falken
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fighting working just a flip the ship
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over and it just fall every time the boy
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was like wait and he finally looks on
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enough that it is your little things
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that comes into play love that he has
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told cables and not only that we see you
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use told cables just to sustain himself
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midair but also he's like alright i can
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use tok apples to like get myself out of
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out of holes or climb stairs things that
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you know don't really make sense for
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your average astromech droid bb-8 is a
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is as pedestrian says one-of-a-kind my
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am 18 he just he's a droid full of
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personality and all of the little things
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that he pulls out of course like he
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shocks finn he's very you know he's very
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impetuous as as droids go but he just he
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has all of these little personality to
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works and works and little little
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pockets of useful things here and there
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and and then you get really ridiculous
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things like oh he has a lighter that
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happens to look like a thumbs-up side
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when he turns it upside down and you
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know in the prequel that that motion
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would have bombed that would have been
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like a oh god why are you making a droid
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do that my and I have a little here
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yeah that guy like that scene that
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seemed with the little thumb
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I've seen the movie twice now is that
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was the biggest last of the entire
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theater yeah times B and i think it is
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all entire like so much of comedy about
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it's not so much about the concept it's
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about the timing like he has exited that
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it comes quickly that they don't dwell
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on it that it's not like it get ready
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he's gonna do a funny thing they it
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that's why i kept that's why the laugh
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comes it's so fast and it's gone because
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guys like yeah right on he goes pop boom
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and then they cut away that's it i will
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say i love i absolutely adore that
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entire scene where John boyega is trying
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to talk
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bb-8 into not reading amount and it only
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weighs looking back and forth he doesn't
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know it's like I but he's anything
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outright the droid has to decide what's
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right instead of following orders and
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saying BBA go that way Ba do this
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bb-8 help me with that the droid has to
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make a call here like a judgment call
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and his little head goes back and forth
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yeah all right
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mmm yeah I guess we'll do this now it's
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it's uh and seeing him roll right all i
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was going to be skeptical about like
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seeing him roll around in the desert
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like is it doesn't really feel like that
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droid could actually roll around in the
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desert and the fact is it does it's that
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it feels perfectly natural
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there are a couple really nice moments
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not just when he's bouncing around in
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the Millennium Falcon but there's a nice
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moment where he gets kind of blasted
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across the room in something where
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there's an explosion and and you see the
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ball and he's like behind the head the
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head is behind and you see him land and
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the head pops up which I thought was
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really nice
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there's a oh I'll also say when he is
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bouncing around inside the Millennium
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Falcon I there is literally the sound
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effect of a bouncing basketball in in
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the I heard that there's a little bit of
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Clank in there to know but there's that
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but there's one of the sound elements
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terry's is somebody like recorded a
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basketball bouncing on the on the floor
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so that's pretty funny that kind of like
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clanging sound of the other of a fully
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inflated kind of basketball bouncing on
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on concrete or something
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so that's in there i love that and I and
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when he moves the only moment was in
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when he's in the forest and Ray turns
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around he's like oh you shouldn't be
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here and I'm like how did he get there
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that was like that's why I know he's
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good but he's that good at this but but
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to have the ball droid and it all it all
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really work so all of my kind of
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trepidation of like are they really
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going to be able to pull off this droid
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end or r2 is way harder to explain our
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to get to places like all right there's
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no way with your grandparents you could
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have gotten there maybe if you have your
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jets from the prequels and we just
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didn't see you use them all actually
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pretty good for God's always skeptical
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about the stairs even but like they have
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that nice to me today I'm going
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downstairs chairs as long as you got a
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better than are too frankly sorry yeah
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well so i'm honestly the end of the
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all I was there is it a shot where rake
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lines of a bunch of stairs and bb-8 is
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not a knot on that journey ba is elected
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to stay home with no Cameron but are too
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and Chewie are there and you just get
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this mournful reply from chewy and r2
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just kind of rocking back and forth
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being like I don't like stairs I'm
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storming the castle
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yeah I essentially and all I could think
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of was man I wish maybe it was there
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because i would i would really enjoy
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little bit below ball droid climbing up
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the stairs with Ray but the the other
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thing that I think sold bb-8 for me was
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the the heart that they have destroyed
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admit I mean when he finds out that pose
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when he thinks that PO has been murdered
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he has this beautiful little like he
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goes from being an attack attack dog
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mode to almost completely shutting down
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and being so mournful and that
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translates to when we find out later
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that are too has gone into low power
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mode is basically shut himself down
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because Luke has left without him which
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ye i'm i'm still halfway convinced is
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intentional that Luke actually gave our
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two yes I directive on but but it's
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still but you totally believe it in the
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moment when threepio's like r2 shut down
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because he misses his master and be you
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can see be a tree-like sympathetic
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reaction being like I know it was like
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who's a master and finally bb-8 is the
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only droid that can make our to feel
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like an older unit like can make our to
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not feel like the start like this
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scruffy yeah the scruffy little Astro
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mac that could end it i really like
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giving giving him some gravitas like
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giving our to some are two is an older
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joint around for a lot of movies yeah
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r2 r2 has the you know may still be a
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little bit enough start roy but has the
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has the elderly spirit now because the
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torch has been passed on to be 82 to go
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fly the Astro Mac battles and to go all
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do that do all that fun stuff
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yeah I'm surprised you didn't mention
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him racing out to meet his master like
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that he just got borrowing so beautiful
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yeah cash max into trend is really a hug
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side yeah I said little kitten little
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yeah there they wisely cut away when
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posed bending down to greet the oncoming
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bb-8 there's nothing really came good
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they can come and take it away and then
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they cut back and they're just hanging
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out and talking some good good editing
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their avoid the awkwardness of what does
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happen when the speeding right meets
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them and they don't really hugs got no
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arms it would be weird i would totally
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hug the BB unit just pick him up
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yeah he's not that heavy unless you
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john-boy a guy and apparently
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stormtroopers have never lifted anything
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uh ok so we talked about that we've
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talked about most the characters ran you
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want to talk about how around a little
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bit let's talk about color and then you
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can go first turn okay well
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kylo Ren so this is absolutely so he's
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been solo Ben Ben Organa Solo know the
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the son of land on which I admit I was
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good enough about spoilers that I did
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not see this coming
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I I as soon as it was said I'm like oh
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yeah of course it's perfect sense and
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one thing I don't know if we want to
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talk about or not is the there are a lot
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of parallels between this movie and the
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choices made in this movie that parallel
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some now-defunct and discontinued it
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expanded universe stories as well as
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earlier movies yeah I was the force I
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was thinking the most notable thing here
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is not the temptation of
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of a of Anakin Skywalker and the
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prequels although I suppose that there
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too but i was thinking very specifically
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what we hear in dialogue from kylo Ren
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is very much the flip side of what Luke
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talks about in the original trilogy
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which is to the temptation of the dark
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side and here we interestingly has him
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tempted by the light side and in that
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scene where he confronts Han Solo out on
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the on the bridge there which is also a
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Luke I am your father kind of parallel a
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little bit he talks about how you know
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he's he's struggling and it's difficult
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and the way to read that is that you you
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think he's saying it's difficult because
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the dark side is tempting me but he's
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actually saying the reverse which is no
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one's thinking about is paying attention
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well yeah i know you pick because we
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have seen so much of the movie we know
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that but we know hon doesn't know that
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because hot it's it works because the
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audience knows the audience knows what
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he really means exactly thanks ru what
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you want me to uneven might you could
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you could argue the heart that hun knows
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that that's a possibility on it doesn't
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doesn't matter as far as I was concerned
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gotta do it is you can anybody yeah
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that's not white if you're not white
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knuckle in the armrest at that point I
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mean I don't know what's wrong with you
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yes so kylo Ren is a fascinating
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character i am so excited to see where
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his character goes in the next two
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movies because he's been set up so well
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here we are impetuous we've talked about
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we talked a little bit about how he
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reacts you know too bad news and just
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he's he's out of control he's not he's
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he's the opposite of what we think about
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when we think about Jedi even six Jedi
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he's exactly you know we don't know who
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who smoke like his his master and the
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darkness really is exactly don't know if
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they're if they're six related
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all we know is that Ben Morgana solo
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there was an incident when he was young
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when he was being trained where he
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inadvertently slaughtered all of Luke's
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young disciples III think he was the
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leader of the Knights of the the Knights
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of Ren they were saying like that i had
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in the flashback scene where ray touches
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the lightsaber and show a whole bunch of
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stuff from both the past and the future
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is some crazy asian asks yeah they show
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like kylo Ren in front of a bunch of
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other dudes what I have the read i got
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again knowing nothing about expanding
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universe or any of the rumors i still
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haven't read most of the backstory is
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that like looks Janet training the new
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jedi and one of his students get some
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weird dark ideas in his head whether by
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himself or whether it was influenced by
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somewhere outside and he sort of
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organizes you know like darkness sleep
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seeps into the class like 11 bad kid
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makes all the other bad kids act up but
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much worse and so the dark side to sleep
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then and that they showed him like
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killing somebody like maybe they just
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they went through and tried to kill a
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bunch of people you know these are all
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still untrained eye this point but he
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basically had a band of followers and I
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don't know where they are now always has
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it that that that uh that cause
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disruption in the classroom we're going
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to come that you know and then Luke goes
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off as like the theory i I've seen and I
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kind of subscribe to now based on what
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little I know is that Luke goes off the
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bases say it's better for me to bail and
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think about what is screwed up before
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these guys are full train Jedi's rather
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than to try to like this fixing this
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would be this 1i have to kill all these
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guys so he just goes off leaving them
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essentially uncreated crappy Jedi with
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their lightsabers don't even work that
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will sparks coming out of and everything
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like that and they think they're big
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band at tufts but as we see he's really
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just a messed up scared kid who's got
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the wrong heroes
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yeah yeah could be could be could be but
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regardless he's the one of the notable
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things that happens in the very last
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thing that Snoke says is get kylo Ren it
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is time to compete his complete his
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training because this thing is we've
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seen it
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this is he's not Darth Vader all the
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water is interesting about him is that
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he is in some ways imagine Darth Vader
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with the possibility of playing a
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legitimate possibility to be redeemed
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like Darth Vader so far gone that his
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Redemption comes at the end of his life
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but I think we all have to hold out hope
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as a part of the storyline that they can
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get through to him and that he has a
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possibility of redeeming himself and
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that's I think that's interesting
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because Darth Vader is beyond redemption
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but perhaps the kylo Ren is not well
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they push they push them far away from
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on the bridge that like his whole thing
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is he wants he wants this pain to be
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gone and he thinks he can get rid of it
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by like going fully already successful
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matter not we'll see in the next movies
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even more
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tortured or has he broken through to
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something else but he's moving farther
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away not closer that was my question to
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me I mean I feel the way John does which
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is I felt like watching that scene is
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like wow that's like AI mean that's like
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pretty much the worst thing you can do
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right there and you did it strikes me
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struck me as likewise so he's not
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getting married anytime soon if that's
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true me because it's so bad you can't
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just about facing the next movie and be
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like now you know okay he's done some
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bad stuff they're a little easier down
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general Organa going to welcome him back
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you know like it's it it he he really
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seems hell-bent on getting past this
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whole having a conscience light side
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temptation here he wants to go to the
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darkside his hero is darth vader and you
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know the thing is like didn't didn't
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look tell his students that like in the
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end Darth Vader turned it around he's
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not necessarily it could be maybe they
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have been murdered a dropout bloggers
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that that we did that lesson maybe maybe
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they're like all that's end-of-semester
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stuff we're gonna work up to that I and
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i think the other problem your is sort
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of interesting issue here with kylo Ren
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as a character is that this whole like
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yeah the whole light side darkside thing
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for him is a very it is interesting that
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a flip this on its head and that they
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have this sort of temptation there and
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read both ways while he's talking to her
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on the bridge but I yeah I don't know
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why it's interesting character he is
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very much like he's like a rebellious
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teenager right like that's kind of what
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the read on him is like I don't like my
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parents im gonna go my grandfather's
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cool i'm gonna go like you know totally
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do the thing that my parents would be
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really important that I did you know and
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and it's hard to tell like I you know
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having seen Adam driver and a few other
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things I kind of expected him to take
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off the mask and have like the weasley
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moustachy as a lot of other places and
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so when he's clean-shaven it's a bit
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like it just in me it it makes such a
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big impression of how young he looks
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there and it's not clear to me exactly
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how young he is supposed to be i would
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say probably or around 220 may be like
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but like maybe a little bit older than
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that but he said what I think there's a
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cover your swing and yeah that direction
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but like either way like you know he
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does read as sort of the rebellious
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teenager who is you know for taking
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everything
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met his parents were into and really
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just determined to kind of control but
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with a little conflict in there because
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somewhere you know inside him he does
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realize that maybe there is that isn't
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the best solution so it's an interesting
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character
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I i think that it's it's tough to redeem
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him easily after what we saw him do and
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that's going to be a very I like you
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know we talk a little bit about where
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you start with this being the launchpad
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of the new trilogy and what's to come
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next and I think that is an
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exceptionally interesting question given
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how much stuff that has been mirrored
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from the original trilogy but the the
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very start different directions they've
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chosen have you guys seen him and girls
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yeah it so I I've watched all the girls
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and that's the main place I know him
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from and I think a lot of people are
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like if you've seen him on girls it's
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kind of weird like oh it's that guy from
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girls and you get taken out of it in
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terms in terms of the shirt is on here
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so let's pick if it's but in terms of
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the casting like it can take you out of
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it for a second because like oh he's
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like my girls but the thing is i think
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it's brilliant casting because whether
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it's because he's one of those actors
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who lets a lot of his own personality
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show through it all of his characters i
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haven't seen enough to know this or it's
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because they cast him because of his
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role and girls the way his character and
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girls deals with emotions and
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emotionally difficult situations in a
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very unhealthy way it's very similar
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than the very unhealthy way the kylo Ren
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deals with his emotions and like
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what's-his-name that everyone's
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Cumberbatch like Cumberbatch both of
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them look a little bit alien yeah a
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little bit ly arranged located they look
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a little bit alien like both of them is
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white Sherlock is a person who doesn't
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process emotions or the same century and
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was everyone else same way everyone
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else's needs kylo Ren he looked easy he
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acts messed up
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he's weird like he's not entirely stable
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as they would say the home the whole his
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whole life I've felt both the actor and
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the character have that vibe so this is
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good casting i love his big crazy hair
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yeah just you know i love is weird
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looking face and I just love his whole
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vibe and yes all those things are very
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adam from girls like but it's the right
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wake up with this character like it just
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so happens that this character in many
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ways is like adam from girls but you
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know that
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got off on a darker path so I i love his
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weirdness I look in the same way that
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kind of like you know the action movie
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trope really good action movies have
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like any a bad guy who is a little bit
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mentally unstable and you don't quite
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know what he's going to do and he's a
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little bit weird and that adds something
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to him with collar and I feel like
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there's not like especially if he
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totally hit his goal is like to
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disassociate he wants to disassociate
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from his feelings from his past from
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everything from his parents and if
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killing his father is gonna help him
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disassociate but like is he even
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controllable is smoke gonna turn hits no
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it's not going to turn him into a
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beating a lap dog like he's gonna be and
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as they would say an agent of chaos in
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the next two movies on I imagine that
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that when we see him again he is going
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to be either in training to be or will
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be a Sith Lord
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I think that's where we're going is that
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he's going to be Darth
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something-or-other because he wants to
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continue down this path and then his
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training will be complete and Inhofe
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yeah well it'll be talking about a bad
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so that would not be good so good that
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already know better but that's exactly
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right by one of the things we should
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talk about is is 0 is the loose ends and
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where we go from here because I think
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that's one of the beautiful things about
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this story is there are lots of loose
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ends i read an interview with JJ Abrams
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where he said specifically and I think
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he's dead on one of the great things
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about the original Star Wars is there
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are all these statements that are made
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in it that hint at just giant backstory
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or wide swathes of universe that are not
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addressed or explained in anyway it's
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just like oh well there's this thing and
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then you find the clone wars whatever
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and it's just kinda like they move on
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and you have to fill in the gaps with
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your imagination and there is a lot of
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that in this film and I like that
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because i feel like in a lot of
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blockbusters modern blockbusters there
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is this economy of scope where the only
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things that get mentioned are the things
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that we need to resolve the story later
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and otherwise we take it all out
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otherwise it's just mopped up and it's
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perfectly tidy and Star Wars has never
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really been that and this movie is not
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like that there are lots of things that
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are tossed off that you never get any
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more information about so there's that
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aspect of it and then there's the aspect
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of it that this is very clearly a film
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that when you get to the end you're
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excited
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find out what happens next because this
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is not the completion of a journey it is
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step one on a new journey and that's
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really exciting but it does mean that we
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are left at the end of this film with
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all these questions about like hey Finn
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has the back
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you doing okay and bl bb-8 oh right he
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belongs to PO he can't go with with
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fitted with ray what's gonna happen
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there and Luke Skywalker say something
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all of these things are to come but uh
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so I think it's exciting that we're at
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that point where we've got not only kind
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of things that may never be a a dress
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like that where Luke's lightsaber was
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found in the yeah I i really wanted to
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know and I were another time you want I
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so badly wanted to know that because I
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was like wow that's been it was like
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they fell down the word best been like
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like 30 years ago was in the garbage the
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same junk collectors are just waiting
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for lightsabers to fall from the sky
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scavengers don't don't let a lightsaber
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fall from the sky in your head
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pro tip slowly turn off they had like a
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like a little switch that when you pass
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out that just turn off we saw that in
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fact but you know it is exciting that
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we're that we have to think about where
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we're going next year right what's the
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next movie about because you mentioned
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what where where does kyle ringo and I
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thought about that that's the beauty of
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it is that where is Rako we know the
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film ends with her on the top of them
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the mountain which she clearly has been
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in mental contact with Luke Skywalker in
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her dreams because she says I imagine an
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ocean I see the island
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yeah I like they didn't hammer that home
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that is known for you to figure out yet
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but it's it but then we go and there's
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the ocean and there's the island it's
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like okay she's been seeing either
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mental contact or being seeing the
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future whatever but you don't really
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like that that's the beauty of the
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forest she's been seeing her past and
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her few that's how the fortune when she
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sees kylo Ren betraying his classes the
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Jedi Academy she see a course she's
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agreement about that island that's her
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future she just didn't know should have
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a context for understanding this was no
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one like you never explained her you
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know you're gonna see the future in the
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past in the force
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strange dreams yeah yeah yeah I know it
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but it's a presumably she's going to be
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trained and and Luke's there looking
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like a like obi-wan Kenobi and he's
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gonna presumably train her in the ways
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of the force while smoke or somebody
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whoever Snoke is other than like a giant
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holographic column is is gonna do the
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same for color n so you know that's
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that's the you know we can see the
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pieces are being moved here and then of
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course there's been the attack on a
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republic so who knows what the backdrop
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is in terms of the kind of the Galactic
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story there's a lot there's a lot here
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to two questions is are they just
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standing on the top of that mountain for
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like a really long time
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III just like staring each other down
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that's all that's on my bad list now
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he's first his first task yeah well it's
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like I get her extending her hand but
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it's like they had the shot where she
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extends her arm with the lightsaber and
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they have the helicopter shot helicopter
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is usm boat
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no I know how I got a helicopter shot is
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so wrong so lord of the rings that just
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made me sad i have a lot of the rings
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and survivor as my reference points that
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first of all being a Jedi
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how long can you hold the lightsaber up
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yeah well so here like this this is
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actually the longest section in my bad
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section is correct about the helicopter
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shot because it is such an obvious
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misstep it is so unnecessary is so short
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here's what's wrong ago and already said
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Lord of the Rings has that visual
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language staked out in modern we so does
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survive or another reality programs
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there's no precedent for that kind of
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shot and the rest of this movie or the
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rest of Star Wars and there are certain
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problems inherent in helicopter shots
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the background is the fastest moving
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thing in the background shot and it's in
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focus because of the huge focal depth
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because of the zoom on the thing so you
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are mostly distracted by the dazzling
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of looking at the characters that draws
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for a long time and inevitably the
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in the actual you know medium shot is
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gone in the helicopter shopping she's
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been holding her arm out like for an
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hour while the helicopter the drone
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circles may keep holding your arm out
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the upholding your aren't you just don't
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get as good performances all my god i
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just want to remove that shot so badly
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the movie really could working with with
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Luke just pulling his head back and like
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scary like any card that like that
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wouldn't
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didn't have the courage of his
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convictions you didn't have the courage
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to end with the sharp cut you can with a
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sharp cut after she extends her arm you
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could end after Luke takes his hood off
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you can end with just a look at on
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Luke's face because the whole idea is
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that's the deciding moment what's going
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to happen is Luke going to accept the
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I mean he's a hermit for a reason you it
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was here has he been expecting her so
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it's all in his facial expression but
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this just so many ways you could have
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cut that and ended it dramatically if
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you had the courage to do so all the
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helicopter shot all JJ why i didn't i
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didn't hate the helicopter shot i hated
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the length of it because it seemed to
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completely ridiculous that she would
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have her arm extended for that matter
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that yeah that was thing we all walked
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out of it being like are they still just
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yeah I'm here for like three million
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that its artistic license and that I
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think that it's just she hands the
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lightsaber and then they decided it's
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freeze frame but it looks off but it
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does she handle like that's the
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detention of the moment is that
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lightsabers offered we don't know if the
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light there was accepted because again
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Luke has his peace out on this whole
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thing like he is contemplating he is a
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way we don't know if he's been calling
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to her with the dream where she's just
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been dreaming about it because it's her
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potential future but Luke is not signing
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up to be like he's not there helping the
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resistance out he's he's away
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yeah reason so the whole thing and uh he
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said he's away for a reason but our to
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activated for a reason I just like to
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say episode 8 should start with them
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still staying there is dark out but
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that's just be the first shot when you
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look at all right we're good I are done
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great episode 8 will gloss over that
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because really I was most interested in
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this thing is what the setup is like how
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do you convince Luke to come back he's
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got reasons for thinking like that that
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he's doing more harm than good and he
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needs to to go away or maybe he's on a
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research mission like you don't know
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what the whole deal is but I just don't
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like that his best friend got killed
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come on by his former student / nephew
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like that's a pretty good reason to come
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i don't like losing is you don't know if
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if he is not if he's a way for a reason
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that is that is convincing him that he
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will need to be convinced you know that
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that like that the arguments to be made
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if they just cut for words like oh now
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raise trained and Luke was a trainer
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wait how do i get recalled why you
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decided to come back we're going to be
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but also i mean i think there's were
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overlooking a major or not necessarily
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overlooking but not talking about a
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major aspect of this which in part is
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raised parentage and in part is you know
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if it was just about convincing Luke to
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come back
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Leia would have been on that on that
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train like a layout and finally oh no
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I'm saying that when they when they go
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to leave its ray chewy and r2 if it was
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just about her if it was just about Luke
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need to come back and help us you know
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defeat ray and defeat rent and defeat
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all of this problem this first order
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nonsense she would have come but it's
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not it's not just Luke me to come back
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its Luke here is this super powerful
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Jedi that just had a run-in with your
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failed apprentice let's maybe you should
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consider training her and also maybe
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she's your daughter maybe she's real is
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related to you either way she's a very
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powerful Jedi TVD I go igo strongly
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against the like I'm really hoping she's
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not in any way related to them i think
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the the explanation in some way like i
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don't know i came out of the sort of
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like over the more metatextual analysis
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of like of course she is a person who is
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like from a desert planet who is
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untrained who come goes off to join the
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rebellion and get sucked into events
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beyond her control and I feel like maybe
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there's there's yeah he again yeah
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Johnson me annoyed with me for talking
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about the force again but I feel like
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there's a pattern right like there's
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certain amount of patterns that keep
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that arise in in these kinds of movies
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and you mean you can you can take sort
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of adjust of campbell approach it if you
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want and say like the hero's journey and
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how these things work but I think in
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some ways it had to be that the person
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who was going to be able to defeat the
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person defeat a villain who is related
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to him like the most powerful Jedi blood
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is gonna have to sort of come from the
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same humble origins and follow a similar
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path of the patterns i was seeing was
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getting more cynical take like look this
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program whereby you take children that
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you may want to hide that maybe force
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powerful and put them on a desert planet
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this program is not working now this is
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this this relocation and adoption foster
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family desert planet first child it is
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totally that they need to stop that
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because it just you know what happens
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like I have their life on the planet but
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then they come out from the planet and
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they're just a problem for everybody so
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if you think you're hiding in there it's
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not going to work you can make your
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getting them out of the game there it's
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not going to work stop putting these
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kids on desert plants like this is
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dennis assuming that she was put there
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intentionally hard part of raised part
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of rays story in the next film
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definitely has to be you know why was
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she left on jakku who is she
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you know what lets her what's her story
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and how she deals with that because if
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she if she was you know i'm not sure my
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gut feeling is that she was left there
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temporarily and then something happened
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perhaps even a a terrible thing
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involving Luke Skywalker's of people's
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or something but something something bad
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happened and then and and she's now sort
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of stuck there but I don't know why
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would you put her there temporarily in
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the care of that evil gruff guy who
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doesn't give her another that's what a
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hand or two like when it is a little
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girl screaming personal drafts of the
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script had her with maximum so those
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character and that's I it's not really
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clarified in this version
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who exactly who she's staying with a
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lead to hear the gruff guy in that one
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flashback be like come on girl stop
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crying yeah it's it's a it's a mystery
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but obviously that's that's a key part
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of her story that we would have to deal
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with him and still I mean I think she's
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related to the resistance in some way
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because she has a tiny x-wing doll and
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it's not like unless unless someone was
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carrying around a tiny x-wing doll in
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that Salvage which I highly doubt i'm
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guessing the tiny x-wing y'all is her
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excuse is made in making her sighs yeah
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the battle of jakku is all around her
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but she's not idolizing x-wing pilot
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right so there's something you don't
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know about the origin of skywalker she
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knows about the morning on solo all of
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the items you Jedi mind-trick sheet it's
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not like that comes out of thin air
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she knows the Jedi mind-trick exist
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because it's part of the myth of Luke
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Skywalker in the midst of the force that
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she is you know come in contact with
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through the the tales of the war she
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knows Han Solo's and you know that war
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like she knows all the stories I mean
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and they just may sound fantastical but
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she's play-acting them by putting the
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helmet on everything
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not ever like she's not like looking to
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the sky longing to join the rebellion
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she's more like you know putting it on
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her head like the same way could put on
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like a fireman's helmet only some only a
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few kids actually have the ambition to
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become fireman but everyone was on the
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fireman helmet so she's putting on the
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pilot helmet like that would be fun but
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that's not my life so we should talk
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about we've been talking for a while but
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we've got some stuff to cover yet a
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classic series classic trilogy
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characters you know we mentioned yet han
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Solo getting killed by his son but han
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and Leia and you know Luke appears at
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the end but but if you've got thoughts
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about he doesn't even get a line and
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he's like second bill the poster i think
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a second building the credits that's
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what blew me and Harrison Ford seconds
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mark hamill really hit his agent isn't
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it is pretty good well you know he's
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obviously going to appear again and
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whereas Han Solo is is the one who is
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the strongest presence in this film at
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which is one of the reasons that i was
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sitting halfway through going well he's
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in this movie a lot I've yes is it
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well where we call that three years ago
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yeah me yeah you remember that episode
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where like who do we think is gonna die
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in the the first episode of Star Wars
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and I think we all agreed on it was nice
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to know that they be like they clearly
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were like alright wearing one movie is
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informal we're gonna we're gonna we're
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gonna we're gonna use in a ringing every
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in bounced out of him and he gets a I
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really i thought it was I thought it was
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great i really think he looks like he's
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having fun he looks like Han Solo he
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talks like on solo I you know not to say
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I a liked all of the decisions that were
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made about his character but I really
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can't fault him it all for the
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performance in this movie it's just is i
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r8 John is grumbling but i'm gonna say i
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delight in his performance in this movie
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whether it be borrowing cheese Bokassa
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really like this or just you know any of
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the other talking to John boyega and
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Daisy Ridley I just I think it's great
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it's yes he's a heavy he's a bit of a
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deus ex machina at a lot of these points
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but that makes it that much more
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meaningful when he gets killed
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you know it's it is sort of like we're
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gonna we're gonna anchor you in from
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this character that you
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so in love we're going to have him be
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around to sort of explain what's what's
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going on but we're also not gonna let
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you rely on him forever because you know
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he's he's gotta roll to serve and he
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sort of you know ends up being this this
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film's obi-wan Kenobi you like up hey
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I'm the experience characters here for
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you now you're on your own so I I
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thought he was deployed
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well i know not everybody thinks the
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same thing but they're wrong
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I think you hit the nail on the head
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when you said he looks like Han Solo he
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talks like console-like and that I think
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is the the root of the problem areas
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it's always going to be problematic
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these things for a lot of reasons first
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of all I mentioned before that this
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movie is nominated make it tries to make
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everybody into actual characters
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including groups that are traditionally
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not allowed to be actual characters
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which includes women sadly but also old
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people most of the time when there's a
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character the age of these actors in the
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movies they're defining characteristic
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is that they're old they're old and
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their wives or their old and some
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character that I and so they they fill
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the role of the old person Harrison
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forward and and and Carrie Fisher are
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not in this movie primarily as old
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people they are playing characters with
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with particular roles which is
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refreshing and great and it's a little
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bit weird because I said when do old
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people get roles that this old in movies
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that aren't defined by their like I'm a
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grandfather i am the elder said max area
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reg I'm the wise older first yeah max is
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one of the other few examples where that
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old person and in the the band of biker
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women is not defined by her being old
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she just happens to be old but she's a
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character anyway so that is all good and
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refreshing but when you have characters
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this old when people aged what they do
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how what they do with their life
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necessarily has to change because aging
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is a real thing and they asked Harrison
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Ford in this movie to do pretty much
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every single thing in the same way that
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Han Solo did when he was 35 years old
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wherever he was in the original trilogy
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and that I mean it's just it's just
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difficult to pull off its heart it for
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plausibility wise you would imagine sure
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console is still around but he's older
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now and has to go about his hunt soloing
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in a different way rather than going
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about Han soloing in essentially the
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same way he's always gone about it
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because he's clever with the blaster
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he's good with talking like he did all
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the things that he's down the other
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movies but try
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to make a 73 year old like what it comes
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down to is i'm not entirely sure that
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the actor was up for it and i think it
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makes sense of the Act would be up for
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it because the actor is really old to
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just like the character and the
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character would not be up to it either
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and I think lake a much better one
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because she's not in the movie that much
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and second because everything they had
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her doing was in a way that would be
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totally appropriate for a person her age
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she wasn't running through the death
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star saying you know you came in that
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thing you're braver than I thought in
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blasting you know she's not doing that
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anymore because she's-she's to hold for
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that you can't that's not her think
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she's not swing across Kane's she's not
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shooting people on you know endure but
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it's it was not a good fit between his
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character and what they asked him to do
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based on age now that said because
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Harrison Ford and he's an amazing human
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being he pulled off almost everything he
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was asked to do pretty convincingly
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almost convincingly because he's he's an
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amazing person he's a good actor he
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knows how solar really well he pulled
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off a lot of funny lines that would only
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be funny coming from Han Solo some of
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them would only be funny coming from an
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older han Solo and added give it credit
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for but I think the general sort of
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cognitive dissonance has two parts one
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is that we're just like I said I used to
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sing old people be at get to be actual
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characters aren't defined by the agents
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the good happen and the bad half is Han
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Solo at this age though he may still
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have the same attitude and be young at
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heart would necessarily have to change
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the way he Han Solo's and I felt like he
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had sold in this one too much like the
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old I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with
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you because of the way that the script
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is set up and and it's set up this way
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for this reason i think which is Han
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Solo is regressing at he has gone into a
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spiral after losing his son and he saw
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