The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the incomparable number 278 December [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► hello everyone welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► incomparable and another in our series [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► of shows celebrating and discussing Star [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Wars Episode 7 the force awakens a i am [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► your host Anthony Johnson and as you've [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► probably noticed I am NOT Jason's now in [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► fact I'm not even one of the usual [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► panelists because i live in the UK and [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► normally when those guys are recording [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► it's about 3am here so instead where we [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► decided we're going to call this episode [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► how the North feels about Star Wars and [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we're recording at a more civilized hour [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► for a more civilized show [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► ah Thank You Liz one person held it all [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► right I'm very Star Wars jokes you will [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► fight usually find me funny enough [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► elsewhere on the incomparable network [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► hosting the podcast unjustly maligned [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► where by coincidence we have in fact [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► well although my guests have I haven't [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► defended the Star Wars prequels to a [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► certain extent today buddy I'm i know [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► but my love original trilogy Star Wars [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► runs very very deep and very long right [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► back to seeing a new hope in the cinema [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► when it was originally released and so [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► joining me to talk about let's be honest [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the true successor to that original [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► trilogy is from Scotland Liz miles you [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► heard her laughing a minute ago [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► hello also from Scotland james thompson [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► i'm silently giving you a thumbs up [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► using a lighter haha I lover and finally [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► across the pond in wintry Massachusetts [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► it's done more'n it's very seasonable in [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► wintry Massachusetts it's a balmy 50 or [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► 60 degrees Fahrenheit here so yeah maybe [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► a little less north than usual I have no [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► idea what that feels [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► what's that mean by that is that in real [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► temperatures it's like with like cool [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► and rainy again it's like Scout [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► basically it feels like scoured here is [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► actually on seasonably mild [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► here as well yes really warm well I [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► wouldn't go that far huh yeah but I came [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► out of the star wars at like three in [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► the morning wearing a t-shirt and there [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► was not a WoW not falling to the ground [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► she's joining us this is the weather [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► podcast there was a vertically out here [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► well I'm underwater so I don't know [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► yeah we want we almost re here but we [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► almost are here as well actually I'm [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► here in the lovely wet and windy and [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► Northwest of England and he's very very [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► way without flood warnings of our yes [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► your your your yes you're probably worse [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► off than welcome to the north so uh and [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► welcome to the show everyone [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► damn forgive me i'm going to skip over [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► you for a moment because I thought you [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► were on the sort of the big show [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► discussing this with Jason and serenity [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► and John siracusa so please do you have [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► before we started getting to discussing [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► you know characters and moments [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► do you have any sort of broad opening [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► remarks that you want to make about your [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► relationship to solve and yes yes I do [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► thank goodness for that good i watch [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► star wars in very much the wrong order [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► I was I'm bit too young to have seen [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► over tomorrow I can't remember time when [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► a handsome return of the jedi and I was [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► quite young when I saw the Empire [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► Strikes Back and I remember the first [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► time I saw a new hope and watching and [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► thinking never seen this before this is [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► a big and I was at least 10 or so I'm [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► not entirely sure that's the most [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► sensible order of cinnamon but it kind [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► of its it's like a build-up because my [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► favorite one of the original trilogy is [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► the first one so it's exciting that way [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► and so when they came back I was quite I [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► was reasonably excited and then very [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► quickly unexcited and sad my life star [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► wars spanish first love [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► as to our is in the computer games [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► versus of knights of the old republic [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► and its sequel and the a morgue of which [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I i do want to think about how many [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► hours I valuable hours I spades have [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► played that God game with its ridiculous [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► rules and things and basically I [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► guy you spend you kill Jedi make money [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► by plant pots decorate your house is [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► what i do on that a lot so I care a lot [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► about Star Wars obviously really oh just [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► ok so uh how did the whole I am your [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► father thing go for you then if you sin [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► if you saw Empire first or did you say [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► so Jedi first such a diverse john wells [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► in july so I just that dogs just been I [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► think that was no 10 right right so it's [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► like I don't remember notnot wow so it [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► was not as if it was very so certain [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► moments of this n stories of this number [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► very exciting looks like I get them i [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► think the right things that you're [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► learning for the first time ever yeah it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► was it was oh it was very nice to see a [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► new star wars movie at the cinema and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► for it not to be terrible [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► I like that feeling i think that's a [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► sentiment we were all having right now [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► is near [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► James what about you then well Star Wars [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► was the first film I saw in the cinema [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► as well in 1978 i think it was it was [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► either that or the cap from 80 space [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► both of which are now but it no disney [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► movies now that i think about it but [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► it's pretty much impossible for me to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► judge whether it's a good film or not [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► because it was the first because I've [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► seen it so many times since and I grew [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► up with all the merchandise and i do [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► mean Star Wars not the cat from outer [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► space but let me tell you how badly I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► was burned by the Phantom Menace so [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► about three weeks before the Phantom [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► Menace opened i was visiting the bay [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► area from my day job a certain fruit [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► based company while I was over there [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► I had the chance to visit Skywalker [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► Ranch through a friend that worked the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► sadly departed LucasArts so we drive up [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► to the front gate [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► we get in we get a little sheet of paper [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► with the rules of the ranch on it so no [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► photos unless somebody else's in the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► photo that sort of thing I got the full [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► tour I saw the library that had Luke's [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► lightsaber and indeed hat and whip in a [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► little display case and everything there [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► was a vineyard and I was sitting in the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► main building having my lunch and I was [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► told that joke [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► what was literally upstairs editing the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► final cut of the Phantom Menace I think [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► it's fair to say that I was quite [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► excited at this point and on the way out [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► i was walking back down the driveway and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► I may have actually been picking up a [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► small pebble from said driveway which I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► may still have like movies don't tell me [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► you still have trouble from disney your [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► drives past in his car and actually [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► waves at me and you know I've just been [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► telling me to put the pedal to pedal [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► back haha i would I mean I was convinced [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it was actually an ilm prop George that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► they have wave everyone who comes to [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► visit anyway the point is I came out of [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► that whole experience convinced that the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► Phantom Menace would be the single [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► greatest film of all time works out i [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► think i have I had little further to [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► fall the most perfect so I went into [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► this one with immense trepidation and in [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► fact to counter my excitement before we [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► went into we SAT and watched the style [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► was holiday special girl that's [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► unnecessary [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► well I needed to get my expectations [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► then and I think you hurt [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► oh man you're taking a shot at castor [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► oil or something to go with them [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► oh dear but you are feeling that same [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► relief of you know I've seen a new star [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► wars movie and it's not terrible [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► yeah i mean it came out of that thinking [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► yeah that was a Star Wars movie and it [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► right it takes all the boxes that i was [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► looking for and there was this off that [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► for the first 15 minutes it was like you [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► know I just think you don't screw this [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► up transcript [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► yes exactly and eventually just relaxed [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► and enjoyed yeah oh yeah I think that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► was that yet there was a point and we'll [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► come to that later but there was a point [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► where yeah I sort of stopped thinking [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► please be good and just went with it and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► then I was just watching a movie [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah I think serenity made a really good [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► point actually on that earlier [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► sho-sa Early Show god what was it like [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► you know less than 48 hours ago his [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► rhetoric but that the it just it feels [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► like a Star Wars movie if in a way that [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► equals don't which is you know bizarre [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► obviously being that they were made by [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► Lucas but they just didn't feel like [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► Star Wars where is this really does feel [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► like Star Wars yeah i'm i mean i saw the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► film it was on the Wednesday just past [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► midnight the tank was the first showings [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► in the UK and i've only seen it once [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► because the first decent imac seats i [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► could get after that point on the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► thirtieth right I'm but so I'm not [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► probably forgotten pretty much [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► everything that happened in the fellow [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► doesn't everyone i should be an [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► excellent game and listen you don't [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► worry i'm about two hours listening to [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► the west coast incomparable podcast on [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it and I think you are still discussing [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► the opening crawl but perhaps never [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► we're thorough [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► yeah I'm all right yeah damn so I mean [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► we already heard your thoughts in you [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► know in general on that west coast thing [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► but having had another couple of days [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► now to sort of think about it and I [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► think you've seen it again in that time [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► I have not i'm only i would hope i hope [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► to go see it again but it didn't work [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► out that well we're gonna go see it [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► again this week with some family well in [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► my way for the holidays but yeah I like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► James I saw one that I'm still I I [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► maybes fuzzy on on some things but i'm [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► looking forward to seeing you again [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► which is always an x-15 right earth [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► would be what having had time to reflect [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► and you know given the will be [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► everybody's doing all this podcasting [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► and stuff about it [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► we're all as you joked on Twitter [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► earlier you know every slack channel [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► that your is talking about Star Wars [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► right now and everyone is typing is the [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► status notification at the bottom so [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it's been on your mind obviously so [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► haven't had time to reflect you know are [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► you coming around to anything or [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► changing your mind on anything or I i [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► think you know I think the important to [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► come away from this it's it's really [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► hard to put into context because those [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► earlier films at least you know it [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► sounds like for all of us the original [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► trilogy was such a big part of our lives [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► and you know we were exposed to it at an [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► age where we weren't necessarily fully [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► developed an arc all of our critical [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► faculties unless it's always sort of [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► occupied a place in our hearts of [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► emotion not to say that it's not they're [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► not technically wonderful films but you [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► know we in the same way that i find that [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► we you know we were blind to many of the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► faults of things that were exposed to is [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► as very young kids you know we don't we [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► sweet gloss over certain things that [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► maybe less perfect or other because of [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► you know when we saw him what it meant [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► to us and and none of that is wrong i [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► think it's harder to come into a movie [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► like this when you as we are now much [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► older than we saw the original trilogy [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and not be a little bit critical of it [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► and I definitely have criticisms of it I [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► i think it's very hard for it in general [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► to occupy even the same sort of level [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► for me i watch two days later I I after [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► i saw force awakens i watch to return [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► the Jedi to show my cousin's kids [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► because I've watched the new hope and [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► empire strikes back with them and we're [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► you know it's like time for them see [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► which are the Jedi and it was [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► interesting watching that in such close [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► proximity to the force awakens because [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► you know your sort of jumping from of [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► seeing Han Solo as a you know as a [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► grizzled old gray-haired guy to you know [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► sort of back into his prime and and sort [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► of trying to make that connection of ok [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► this is it's the same universe [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► II i think it probably has a certain [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► amount of disconnect in it as well [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► because I i did like the film and and [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► like i said i'm looking forward to [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► seeing it a second time but in some ways [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► that also solidified for me that I can [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► divorce this to a certain extent from [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► the original trilogy and say like okay [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you know this is this is going back and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► revisiting some of the same characters [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► but if I really wanted to you know just [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► sort of view the original trilogy as its [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► own self-contained thing I feel [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► comfortable doing that not an end in the [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► same way I imagine some people might [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► feel similarly about something like you [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► know doctor who which we obviously had a [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► huge hiatus between incarnations as well [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► so that there are people you know who [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► who might like you know the classic [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► Doctor Who versus the more modern doctor [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► who and there's connections it's [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► undeniable that they take place you know [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► there's sort of a continuity run running [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► through all of it but you know you can [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► also still feel comfortable picking and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► choosing the parts of it that you want [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► to think about and so for me I really [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► it's it's fascinating because it it's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► not that it feels like fanfiction it's [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► obviously better [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► does feel like Star Wars you know and [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the fact that it was made by someone who [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► is legitimately a fan for the first time [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► you know really colors it with a [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► different a different brush there and I [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► think what I've you know come to feel [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► about it is like these may not be my [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► star wars movies but I'm still really [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► happy that their star wars movies and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that this is a Star Wars movie because i [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► do agree that it feels like a Star Wars [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► movie in the way that the prequels never [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► did and even if it doesn't quite reach [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► the heights of some of that original for [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► me just because of the context of when i [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► saw it and how much it affected my life [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► I don't think that necessarily lessens [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► the impact of it as a film for me well [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► and just talking about the originals [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► treating the originals as a [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► self-contained unit I've been doing that [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► for the last what 15 20 we all have guns [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► right exactly because well the thing was [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► that I saw phantom menace in the cinema [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► and like everybody else I was terribly [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► disappointed but I was so disappointed [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► that I didn't even watch the other [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► movies until I'd until I did the show [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► the podcast about them earlier this year [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► on understand i had not even seen clones [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► or going to the same what do you think [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► of them i refused to watch the thought [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► they were terrible [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► yeah aren't we all example yeah but I [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that was how badly i hated Phantom [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► Menace I was just like well I'm not [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► watching these other movies there's no [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► way they can redeem this film and always [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► right but yeah I mean I went from [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► watching you know I haven't seen phantom [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► menace five times in the theaters [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► because it took awhile for its hey hey [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► Atlanta again once again on that knife's [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► edge of being a kid and being an adult [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► and thinking why are I was I was reeled [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► in you and I yeah what are these came i [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► am I wrong am I wrong somehow for not [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► liking movies is this a fault of mine [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► there was a there was definitely a [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► feeling watching it thinking this isn't [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► something's not right you had an exam [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► just that well you know the music's [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► right everything looks right kinda no no [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► we did not look right now okay think but [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► on the flipside like going into this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► movie and trying to I think it is like [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► you guys were saying like the don't [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► screw this up don't screw this up [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► mentality and then being able to sort of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► like you know take a deep breath and say [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► I'm just [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► I'm just gonna watch the movie like [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► that's a challenge right because there [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► is so much of this period where it's [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like you're feeling like resistant like [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► am I gonna get burned again is this all [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► a mistake and then it takes some time [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► and that's why i'm looking forward to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► watching it again because having only [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► seen it once i still have to contend [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► with that whole feeling of its should i [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► commit should i let my sister I opened [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► myself up to be hurt again [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► trust me totally holds up yeah i'm [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► looking forward to it and I I didn't buy [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► a single piece of merchandise before I [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► saw the film because a lot of people [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► lots of much James owns a full-size [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► battle directly but i found a inbox my [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► collection of you know like anakin [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► skywalker figures and y2 and whoever [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► else that I had no idea who these people [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► were and recently when there was the the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► force friday thing where all the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► merchandise was released for this film I [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► took a picture of all of them and [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► tweeted it and said I'm so looking [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► forward to seeing this new film just to [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► remind everyone your IE are either have [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► no memory of mine i have a couple of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► memories here and there but no overall [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► sort of memory of my life before Star [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► Wars I i literally I was five years old [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► when the first time say when a new hope [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► was released I sword in the cinema it [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► was one of the first not the first one [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► of the first films have a sword in the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► cinema and I literally do not remember [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► my life before that point I in a toys [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► Spenny sticker albums remember those [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► brits that the first album I ever owned [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► that my mother bought for me when I was [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► I think seven years old was the London [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► Philharmonic Orchestra recording the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► star wars the music and like very you [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► know Luke's thin layers then what have [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► you and literally it wasn't a whole [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► soundtrack and he took up one side of [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► the album and the other side was I think [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► it was host the planets it was really [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► strange but they had a x-wing on the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► front so that was good enough for me and [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► happen when I was when I was a small [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► child and I was t think I i chewed on [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► the foot of a wookie [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► that's my Star Wars yeah i still have [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the first game that i bought myself well [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► darkness will talk about it was rebel [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► salt for the pci well there's century I [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► still got it in the covered my favorite [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► games even though i can't play anymore [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► computer doesn't take the desks classic [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► game maybe the closest comparison that i [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► can think of for for younger listeners [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► is like Harry Potter like think of how [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► the reason now there's a whole [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► generation who just know Harry Potter [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► because it's everywhere they've also in [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► all the movies they've read all the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► books then all the characters than all [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the actors and they assume that [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► everybody their age also knows [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► harrypotter harrypotter is their thing [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► if you are that age you know Harry [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► Potter in the same way and that's what [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► it's like for people our age we just [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► know Star Wars it's just there and as [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► you say it becomes his dominance thing [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► becomes so huge and there's such an [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► emotional connection to because it's [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► part of childhood that it's really [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► difficult to actually be objective and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► sort of critical and I mean that in the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► you know traditional in the sense of the [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► movies because you have such a [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► deep-seated attachment to them and you [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► know you wouldn't have that attachment [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► if they weren't great movies [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► let's not forget that he's aligned of [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you know all intellectual stuff aside if [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► they weren't actually just really good [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► entertainment then we wouldn't have that [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► emotional connection to them but yeah [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► that's kind of I think that's the best [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► comparison that I've been able to come [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► up with to make people realize water [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► original Star Wars was like and for this [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► I of i did the whole the full circu sir [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► I avoid spoilers i only watch the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► official trailers I didn't read any [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► transmedia stuff i didn't watch any [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► transmedia stuff I I didn't even know [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► the names of the characters going [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► glasses and while i didn't know i was [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► unable to escape that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah I I knew nothing and I i loved [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► it i absolutely loved it and I think [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► that going in spoiler-free actually [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► really helped in that sense because i [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► had no expectations i literally had no [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► no sort of preconceived notions of [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► anything about this movie and I'm just [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► gonna spoiler-free as well why didn't [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► the names of the main characters edit [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► about big talk to switch the the terror [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► and fear of the disappointment thing and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► I didn't get to see it till saturday so [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► by then loads of people have been going [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► to can't see it so I can manage to get a [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► few like I just give me a one-word [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► non-spoilery opinion of it just say easy [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► good physically and everyone said well [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► it was all positive so it's like okay [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► it's not going to be terrible [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► I can relax and as soon as in fact as [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► soon as the scroll came up and i read [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► the first three sentences i was like I [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► can breathe and it's gonna be fine [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► nothing about trade disputes nothing [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► about it was really just I think we had [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► an advantage in the UK because we saw [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► like more than 24 hours before the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► Americans where we do you really hate [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► you for this [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► I didn't actually I saw on friday so [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► well i think that i saw in the midnight [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► showing so like there was no real chance [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► of being spoiled unless any Australians [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► that popped up and i mean it was it was [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► good because i was going into it without [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► knowing whether it was good or not [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► because if if everybody had told me very [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that this was a really good film then I [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► would have had more problems I think I i [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► tried to avoid even that because i was [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► super worried i just switched I closed [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► down Twitter I didn't go on / i mean III [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► barely all I did was read my email [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► basically and read more replies on [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► Twitter from Monday through Friday as [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► most of what i did and yet still I got [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► white people replies where I post things [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► may be like oh don't worry i think [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► you'll enjoy them i don't even think [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► you'll enjoy the bet where is why I only [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► wanted a one-word review of it because [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that meant you could keep it didn't [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► oversell with one word right [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► yea though well apartment unless unless [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► everybody said fantastic you know [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► amazing spectacular [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah but i think its era well no [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► one did that it was it was so I feel ok [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► so there were rocks sense for people i [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► got before we go any further actually [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► let [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► just let's for people who are listening [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► who if you're listening to this new [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► happens in the movie yet I question your [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► life choices button sound the spoiler [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► horn [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and now we will be because I wanted to [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► be careful that we don't get into [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► spoiler territory without warning people [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► at least so yes now let's carry on so I [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► went in and it was the first showing and [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► while I may own a full set of Jedi robes [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► and possibly an order one lightsaber i [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► decided not to let them and just go with [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► a sort of understated New Hope is [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► t-shirt and I tend to be quite wise [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► because aside from one princess layer [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► and I think this is all be princess [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► layer and nobody's an actual zombie [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► James sorry yeah nobody else at the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► cinema was dressed up at all and I don't [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► know if that was because people have [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► been burned in the past by this dressing [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► up and then finding out the films were [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► oh and they didn't want to commit until [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► they knew that the film was good or if [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► it was just that this was a Glasgow and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► wandering around in your dressing that [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► was money first ought to be on his [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► Believe generally friend apart we we had [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► we had some people in dress up at my [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► local theater here which is in service [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► or suburban Boston area there was a [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► there was a quite good [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► Cloud City hon and layout as a couple [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► which was excellent [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► haha yeah i think was in there I feel [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► like there might have been a BBA to like [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► it was it was pretty good wasn't like [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that unlike having been to Star Wars [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► Celebration earlier this year play [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► hiding around zero without taking up [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► three seats in this and you know I'm [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► people come up with their very clever [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► things I think it's like a hacked it was [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► like a little BB a have just the head [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► it was pretty good though I remember [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► doing that but yeah having seen the the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► costumes tried it out at the star wars [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► celebration this year and this was like [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► it was good like more than you see for [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► most movie openings for sure but not [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► quite that level even in fact one of the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► people that we went with actually my [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► friend had a great ray costume and so [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► clearly had been studying all the all [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the trailers and and posters and [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► everything beforehand to make that which [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► was pretty cool i was delighted to note [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► the the i went to a 730 p.m. showing on [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► the friday which is kind of like [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► primetime cinema time obviously but I [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► was delighted to see that the world a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► lot of kids in the audience a lot of I [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► mean obviously a lot of people my age [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► taking their kids along you know sort of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► nostalgic purposes and all that [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► yeah just a lot of kids and the kids all [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► really enjoyed it you know you could [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► hear them all gasping and whooping and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► stuff while the film was on and then [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► coming out afterwards they all clearly [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► had really enjoyed it and I'm talking [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► kids you know between the ages of six [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► seven and maybe you know 11 or 12 a good [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► fairly good range so that I thought was [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► really really positive and I just want [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► to quickly conclude my point by saying [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the that the mine concern like most of [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► us was you know even if it's [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► entertaining [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► will it have an impact on me will I be [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► thinking about it afterwards because [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► like say the track reboots JJ Abrams [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► strike movies are entertaining movies I [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► think they're great movies but I i [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► walked out the Sun mr and they just left [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► my head you know I wasn't thinking about [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► them for days afterwards where is this [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► yeah I have been thinking about this [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► movie ever since i saw it so I think [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► it's safe to say that for me at least it [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► has had yes not as much impact as the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► original trilogy but still much more [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► impact certainly than the prequels and [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the many many other movies I've seen [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► recently is not only and part of that I [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► feel like is this the the place of this [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► as we discuss a little bit on the main [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► show the place of this as the the watch [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► pad right you know because unlike so [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► many other movies where it's like well [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► this movie is going to come out we're [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► gonna see if it does well or not and if [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► it does well there will be a sequel and [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► sometimes usually on threads in that [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► first movie where you're like oh you [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► know this might come up later and so [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► having this situation specifically where [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► this foregone conclusion we already knew [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► that the sequel's were coming allows you [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► to do things that leave the you know [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► questions to be answered much more [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► blatantly like this is the first chapter [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of a story in the way that a lot of [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► movies and not say it's not [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► self-contained doesn't tell a story [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► within itself but the idea that like [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► this is only the tip of the iceberg it [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► deliberately leaves a lot of threats [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► dangling yeah exactly and provides you [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► with so much opportunity to speculate [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► about what is going to happen next [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► because we already know there is a next [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► you know it's not just like a well if [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► they decide to do with another one it [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► might be about this and as you know this [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► there is going to be another one we know [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► this leads directly into it and [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► therefore we get all this chance to [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► speculative [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► like what's gonna happen with this in [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► this who is this person what does this [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► mean you know and so i think that's [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that's a particularly rich vein for [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► speculation [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► absolutely it does what worried me a bit [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► though because that the whole like we're [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► gonna get a new star wars film every [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► year until we die until you die know [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► what it's like to live forever but you [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► know it's it's like you know the world [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► three films as we all know and now we're [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► getting all these new film will they be [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► devalued yeah I mean it's like the first [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► one obviously is gonna have a massive [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► impact but is that you know you're gonna [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► have diminishing returns and you know [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► with all the spin-off films are we going [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► to be because I mean I i really love to [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► the first Avengers movie and by the time [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► we go into the second avengers movie was [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► like well this is kind of good but it's [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► been more of the same and you know and I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► was just that sort of disappointment and [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► slightly jadedness with the the Marvel [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► superhero stuff with was beginning to [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► kick in i think as long as the the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► alternate movies if you like the sort of [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► you know the what are they calling there [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► is a name that they're giving them [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► oh you know over the anthology films at [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► the end always that's it right i was [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► tails or some rest on Rogue Squadron all [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that sort of stuff as long as that I [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► think as long as those are disconnected [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► enough from the main narrative of the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► main movies that you know hopefully will [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► avoid that fatigue because I know what [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you mean yeah it has started to set in [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► to an extent with the Marvel movies but [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► on the other hand we've had a fast and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► furious movie every year for the past [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► three years and they've all been [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► brilliant [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► so that's well above 3 no 2 no no I'm [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► saying for the past three years ever [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► since Fast Five basically um so you know [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► it can be done and with different [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► directors as well that helps hopefully [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► keep things fresh [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► so I'm just looking at the poster here [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► on the wikipedia pages of remembered [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► when i saw the poster I at first thought [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► that the woman was holding some kind of [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► Darth Maul like lightsaber staff and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► then I look closer [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► realize that that's the guy in the masks [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► lightsaber and she's just kind of normal [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► stuff and I actually thought oh they do [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that's a bit of a cop-out they want you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► to think that she's a Jedi but actually [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► she's not it's just an optical illusion [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► hey you went too far you went too far [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► past the exact opposite with that I [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► thought oh you want you to enter she's [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► gonna get double pleats like silver at [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► some point despite the fact that all the [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► problem of stuff was suggesting but it's [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► all going to be what's it been he was [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the Jedi right well including the main [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► poster he's holding the blue lightsaber [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► in the post yeah right and I oh I looked [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► at that poster and then there were [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► people saying well as terrible as a [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► really big spoiler on that and only that [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► was and i will look back and I hadn't [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► seen the sort of Death Star like a ball [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► that was in the background of the show [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► guys just sit [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► I don't know but I was like kind of when [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► it's done all the people in the front [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that didn't see this giant thing but [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► then i but then is not really a spoiler [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► though the evil empire spines of super [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► weapon would never have guessed a [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► bowl-shaped super weapon but i did [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► decide [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► basically I looked at it again I thought [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► no that's actually it's PBS dad haha [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► bb7 I you know it's funny when i was at [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► the star wars celebration in April they [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► had a bunch of the costumes from the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► force awakens and we were sort of hours [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► they were the couple my friends were [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► debating like do we go in yes miss [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► boiler and and me and one of my friends [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► ended up going in and the one thing that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► was we we thought was basically oh this [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► is this is kind of a spoiler that we got [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► away from that was they had john-boy I [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► guess costume and headlights it had a [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► concept drawing attachment in which [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► there was a lightsaber on his belt and [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► we're like our giveaway that he had a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► light saver which of course is also kind [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► of a fake-out so in that way it was [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► funny because it's set like you guys [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► with the posters set me up thinking in [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► one direction and of course that's not [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► entirely true i was just overthinking [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► get it turns out there was a spoiler [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► ship that I did see which was annoying [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► which was housing for was asked what his [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► favorite scene of the film was and he [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► said something like always raise [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► lightsaber battle at the end [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► I don't know I'm that was like at least [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► everything you didn't say getting [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► stabbed can't get that baby died i'm [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► doing good choice [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► Harrison forget your good choice just [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► keep it is out can we just take a moment [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► actually to give props to you mention [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► BBA and to praise the animators of bb-8 [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► because you know he's a character like [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► r2d2 who you know save nothing just [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► bleep boobs nothing intelligible to [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► human ears and yet like r2 and i would [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► say actually even more than r2 they give [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► him such an amazing personality he is an [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► instantly likable lovable character with [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► yet nothing but you know two balls and [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► some bleeps and bloops he had physically [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► robotic hamster below her emotions well [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► he does sometimes that's so cute [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► yes well in the rocking back and forth [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► and you know tilting his head to sort of [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► be sad and things like that and yes the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the thumbs up with the lighter was you [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► know that everybody loves my firm if I'm [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► correct I think he was it was a purely a [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► physical prop so yes Papa tiered [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► basically well i don't think i don't [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► know about purely i'm sure there were [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► some parts where they CGI'd in but yes [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and this is that the close-up stuff [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► where it was with the actors yes that [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► was a physical problem which is kind of [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► yeah I mean that was the thing just as a [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► slight tangent that the the things that [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► bothered me the most in the film were [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► the the cgi characters because [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► everything was so real and you know [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► let's build all the x-wings let's do all [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► this and then the smoke and the mass [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► kanata Angeles and the trader and the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► rest are they were the four-seat big cgi [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► Grange's and they kind of go is tricked [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► into thinking they were real because [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► everything else looks so real so I just [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► assumed that pie that of course it will [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► be CGI don't be ridiculous to me that [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► the smoke one I think just was that was [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► the the thing that took me at the moon [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► fee and and it's going yeah well it's [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► golem and I like the fact that he liked [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► clearly have something Polian complex [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and is about the size of yoda because he [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► possessed himself as that everybody's [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► assuming that all yeah but I do feel [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► like it is kind of a that it feels more [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► deliberate to me i agree that i found it [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► a little more off-putting even then you [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► know the temperature of the Emperor's [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► giant head and empire strikes back but i [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► have to wonder if thats a deliberate [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► obfuscation it certainly seems like it [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► but I and I really liked mass as a [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► character i do agree with the people who [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► are asking like could could win because [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► that's the fabulous lupita nyong'o and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you couldn't we have just had her you [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► know as a as a live actor and I feel [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► like it probably would have been felt [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► like a very different character in some [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► ways but i would have been totally okay [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► with that because she's obviously [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► fabulous and I she does a great job with [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► that like CGI character that might be my [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► favorite CGI character i thought the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► character was good it was just visually [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► I think it took me all right and also [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► the fact that as soon as I thought of [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► Edna mode from the incredibles yeah that [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► was yeah I guess the kid of her in Yoda [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► I kept thinking of Hetty from NCIS los [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► it's and i was i was thinking about [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► these cgi creatures and yet it looks [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► like this four main cgi not humans in [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► the movie and they're all obviously cgi [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► like none of that none of them sort of [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► passed the test of liked or didn't [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► realize I was CGI but sorry Liz [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► sometimes they're easily falls but I [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► then I was thinking about it more and [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► especially when i saw it again and I [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► thought you know is this any worse then [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► things like the rancor or the hot one / [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► or yoda-like in the original trilogy [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► where they were either puppets or stop [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► motion and it's not like we didn't know [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► you know it's not like we couldn't tell [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► that they were special effects as well [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► you know I were going to argue with you [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► on that point on Yoda who I [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► victory yeah there's a conscious [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► knowledge certainly that this is not a [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► real thing but just even going back and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► watching that and knowing that he's not [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► real [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► there's something either as an animus [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► like a human animus to him because of [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► the fact that there is a a person [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► portraying it in like a very physical [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► way that that always that I find much [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► more plausible and wrong with the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► performance is amazing and you know i [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► mean the Dark Crystal is one of my [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► favorite movies ever and that's the same [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► basically the same sort of perpetrators [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► Yoda you know I have nothing against it [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and I think it's it was amazing school [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► is certainly better than the CGI Yoda [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► that we can 30 i will agree with you on [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► the sense of the rancor you know having [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► gone back like I said just watch Jedi [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► you know it's clear to me that based on [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► just sort of the camera angles and stuff [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► that the rancor is clearly a model still [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► scary enough for my like you know my [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► cousin's kids a little yeah but it's it [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► is it is there's always gonna Ray [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► Harryhausen you know Jason the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► arrangements with the other skeletons [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► weekend we know it's a special effect [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► but that doesn't make you spend at this [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► point right but I think for the rest of [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► the film and you know it's something [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► that you could look at twenty years [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► later or something or 30 years later and [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► it it would hold up and I think that's [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► one reason why i think the the original [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► film's hold up especially in there sort [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► of d specialized let's strip everything [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► out of them versions because you know [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► they were physical things that they were [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► filming and you know that this film is [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► in no way as bad as the prequels in [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► terms of the cgi stuff but those those [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► are the things i think this stuck out [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► because everything else was just right [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► I think it's what I will definitely [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► having having real sets made I think it [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► must make such a huge difference the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► actors performances as well as just the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► way you're looking at you didn't feel [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► that you were watching someone else play [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► a god-awful computer game for most of [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the time and so yeah I walk you and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► always preferable work to CGI even when [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► it's like cheap model work because it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► just it will look better if it doesn't [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► vision is going to be better in 10 or 20 [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► years time anyway and and I think hear [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► it did feel that either did you see GI [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► it was in service to the actual real [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► stuff rather than trying to use to [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► replace anything [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► real thats that's one of the things that [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► I'm really looking forward to is [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► whatever massive extended boxset blu-ray [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► we get with all the making of stuff [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► because it's probably time to CGI that [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► was probably a ton of CGI that we not [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► oh it yet this is the thing like these [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► four creatures are the obvious cgi but [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► i'm sure there isn't a frame of this [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► movie that it doesn't have some CGI [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► right somewhere and that's why you [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► should be used yeah where it can be put [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► in seamlessly so you don't notice it not [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► to be used as the whole construction and [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► foundations of European media exactly [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► exactly so [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► alright let's move onto characters let's [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► elephant in the room [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► I don't know she is in the background [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► wandering around with the stormtroopers [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► cgi yeah i got his judgments in this [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► movie like a better boat is that what [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► you're trying to tell me know so we are [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► we were talking about this offer before [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► we started there is this whole sort of [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► there's the backlash you know these [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► people doing their hot takes about how [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► this is actually a terrible movie and [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► we're all falls and you know going right [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► in its tracks [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► you don't believe don't go on the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► internet it's a terrible place and Ray [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► people complaining the Ray is Mary Sue [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and she's overpowered only the small and [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► right i want to get specifically our [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► lives i want to get your opinion about [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► oh my gold into what they can I swear in [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► this podcast you're probably get bread [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► and if anything deserves it LOL i'll [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► switch to Britishness what the bleeding [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► Dickens been on the phone that is that [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► three is an absolutely amazing character [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► is the character that I deserved at 12 [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► years old to get but I didn't get I got [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► those bloomin prequels instead this is [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► the star wars movie I should have had as [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► I was growing up [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► re is amazing and the actor is obviously [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► fantastic but here we have she is [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► getting the major here work of the story [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► its hardness to our questions just a [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► slow realization going into movie was [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► made my mean pleasure was this just [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► slowly being realizing that she was the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► one who is going to invite to be the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► hero at the end it was all focused on [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► hard the other ones weren't work for [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► golden but they were working in service [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► to her central pillar type thing [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► overpowered don't be pleading ridiculous [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► she's doing some little force tricks so [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► she can work out how to do it [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► it's interesting because it's doing a [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► different thing to what we've seen [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► it's not someone being trained by a [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► mentor she has no manager is figuring [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► out by herself [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► that's different and interesting and of [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► course she's a flawed characters so [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► emotionally sharp edges everywhere [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► because she's had to be because she shut [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► down and isolated and a bit grumpy and [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► techy and she just happens to be really [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► good at engineering as well [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► well it makes sense given the context [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► that she's out scavenging all this may [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► take all over the place [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► why not and in order to survive she's [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► going to have to keep her little and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► Lancer thing going anyway so I'm ya [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► brain was amazing and my actual favorite [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► moment and all the Star Wars movies now [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► is the moment we get into a fight where [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► we know what's happening in the little [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► lightsaber starts to see but actually [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► seeing it should out the snow past and [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► tyler run kangaroo and I knew that and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► into her hands and her igniting it that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► was just that was amazing i I've [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► definitely thought that was the best [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► that the film it was it was and just [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► getting it has been a very good year [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► being alone liking science fiction [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► things i keep getting things I like and [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► pander to a nice it's like this poor [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► guys all the time we much makes a [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► television yeah exactly 90 percenter [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► Italian that's exactly the point and [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► that's why these complaints annoy me so [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► much is what you have everything else [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► including the original trilogy by or the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► man who are complaining they should that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► o ne but yes no amazing i love her ID or [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► her i did the the i do collect some star [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► wars action pictures mostly the woman [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► who are in the movies i did get everyone [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► before the film and then feel like oh [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► dear God if I just jinxed it is nothing [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► terrible's i bought a piece of [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► merchandise and so glad i did I love her [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► she is my hero i agree with you one [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► hundred percent and it's interesting [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► that you mentioned her sort of being [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► damaged [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► character emotionally because that's [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► sort of an argument or discussion that I [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► saw between several women actually on [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► Twitter talking about this a couple of [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► days ago and saying that you know what a [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► lot of the fanboys are missing is that [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► yes she may already know how to do a few [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► things that she won't need to be taught [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► like she doesn't need to be taught how [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► to fly or how to fix a starship or [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► whatever but instead what she will have [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► and you can see this coming in she's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► gonna have an emotional arc because she [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► is clearly so emotionally flawed as a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► character whereas in the original [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► trilogy even Luke ok was a bit whiny but [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► basically he was pretty much all there [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► he just had to learn how to do a few [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► things like you know use the Force and [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► fight with the lightsaber and stuff yeah [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► he knows how to do some of that stuff [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► already but she is so damaged [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► emotionally and I think a lot of frankly [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► male fans are missing that because it's [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► not something that we normally get with [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► male characters it's not something that [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► we normally have to kind of think about [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► it as a character Iraq I think whoever I [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► i think it's quite actually quite kind [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► of a popular one the world it's got [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► slightly different emphasis but where [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► you have a male character who is like [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► emotionally withdrawn and he needs to [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► find the right woman to help him heal [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► and becoming emotionally rounded person [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that's a fairly common truck and I I [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► think seeing that apply to women and 4g [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► she i'd love that she is so grumpy in [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► taxi throughout it and really quite [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► snappy wait it's great because that's [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► often those are so often portrayed as [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► very negative things on a woman you must [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► be look pretty and nice and be happy and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► pandering to everyone around you and she [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► doesn't and it's it's fab and just to [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► make it extra delightful she's paired [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► with with fen who is another very [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► emotionally damaged character if you [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► look so he's going to have the hero and [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► argon whole hero who doesn't have is [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► completes the sort of volatility but [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► isn't the sort of the little box of the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► trilogy is is the white guy here all [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► weekend pile it really well and it sort [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► of its it feels so much like it's been [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► written by someone who really cares but [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► not excluding people from the star wars [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► universe [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► and instead of oh it's just it makes me [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► so sad with the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► Heather's basically i know there's more [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► than one woman but basically there's one [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► woman in each vellum and here is a film [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► that even if it's not fifty-fifty it's [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► still chilly intelligent another one [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► it's gorgeous [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► one of the things I was going to ask is [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► in the cinema what was the gender split [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► because in the showing that i saw which [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► was you know the first showing it was [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► way less than a quarter of the people in [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► the cinema were women so is oh wow quite [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► heavily biased towards man and that I [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► think that'll change yeah i think we [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► like I was that was my hope [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► basically because this is a film that's [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► obviously you know young girls that [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► would be absolutely ideal for but then [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► that the whole stuff of the disney [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► marketing where you know that Ray who [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► was as we've said is basically the main [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► character isn't featured in the sort of [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► the various PACs of figure 4 10 gorgeous [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► but I think now that it's out and one [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► sort of word spreads that you get what [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► you get and you get her interactions [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► with leah and you get her interactions [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► with Lupita youngest character forgotten [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► the neverender jobs their reports so [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► delightful and chic their mentoring in [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► different ways and it's very good my [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► favorite were not favor I would say but [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the bit that made me laugh with Ray more [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► than any other in this movie and you [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► know the Stormtrooper you will undo [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► these restraints yes that was that was [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► very funny especially knowing that it [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► was Daniel Craig under yes um how did [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you not know it was always like that was [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► his cameo created there's tons of [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► cameras and this like the and her junk [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► dealer guy was in Paris I repair okay [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► yeah yeah but my the bit that made me [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► laugh with her was you know when her and [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► Finn first meet and there's the whole [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like why you keep grabbing my hand like [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► I know how to run let go but then when [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► they get when the team gets blown up [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► attacked by Tie Fighters they get [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► blasted back and they're sort of both [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► you know recovering they get up and he [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► immediately turns around goes you're [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► and she's already on her feet and she [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► doesn't even say much she just looks at [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► me cuz ya yet to come on one I laughed [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► so hard at that because there is such [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► such an inversion of a stereo too i like [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► that where he was running towards the [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► fight I menu by the time it gets there [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► she's already to meet everybody and he [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► just kind of yet she perseveres all that [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► will weekend when you watch it again in [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that same just look specifically at [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► Daisy Ridley's active just an expression [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► she is so good cause she barely says [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► anything but our expression says [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► everything in that moment it's so good i [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► mean there's so many explicit colors [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► like this thing where Hannah is trying [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► to give her a blaster and she's like I [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► can take care of myself and he's like [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► yeah I know that's why I'm doing your [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► blood that was very good [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► yes it was yeah yeah yeah she's she's [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► brilliant and like I don't get so you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► know coming at this from the perspective [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► of you know a white guy [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► yeah i just don't get the people pushing [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► back on this like I love fantasy and [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► science fiction of all kinds he you know [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► and years I've read books with female [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► protagonist every book male protagonists [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► are certainly a lot more of those [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► I just don't get why people are so pissy [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► about it yesterday hope that it isn't [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► just a loud minority I mean yeah yeah I [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► don't know when and I hope not and sorry [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► i hope so because I really I I think [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► she's a fabulous character I think she's [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► fantastic [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► I had so many friends especially in the [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► comics industry community with young [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► daughters and exactly i need to I need [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► to talk to them I cannot wait to hear [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► what their reaction is going to be about [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► this movie and how overjoyed i know they [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► are going to be that they can take their [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► daughters that you know sort of seven [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► eight nine year old daughter's to see a [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► Star Wars movie and know that their [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► daughter is going to be looking up on [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► the screen in going that me [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► yeah i mean this is exactly what so you [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► know I'm saying I should return the Jedi [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► to my cousin's kids who are both girls [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► and I'm like I'm super-psyched about [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► like now that they've seen you know four [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► five and six and like now I get to you [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► know we can hopefully we can take them [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► to episode seven because i think they [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► will be so excited by this you know in [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like you're having character you know [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► characters who look like them up on the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► screen and who will get to [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► like no kick ass with a lightsaber and [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► you know that's awesome that's great i [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► just i really hate the this backlash to [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► this just makes me sad it makes me upset [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► in you know and it's just like I wish [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► these people would just sort of get over [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that and just enjoy enjoy a film that [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► has a strong you know that's a strong [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► female character but like to see a [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► fully-realized just exclusively I just [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► just a good character that she's wrong L [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► is almost even secondary to that right [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► like you know it's great that she's [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► wonder like why are you fixating on that [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► whatever woman it's not secondary [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► because there are so few of them it [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► really matters and I strong people [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► character phrases a very i never use [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► that I practice interesting female [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► character i'd also want weak female [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► characters who are cowards and [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► frightened terrified scream as well I [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► want to fill in broad range of all [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► humanity things [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► yeah I want to say not that I didn't [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► mean strong as it only physically or [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► emotionally stronger as like a a strong [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► character a character was built well a [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► three-dimensional character and I you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► know sometimes misunderstood phrase that [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► is nation exactly they're already well [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► lately wrong emphasis [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah the well-developed character [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► who is not just like they're as the [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► girlfriend or someone to be like as in [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► so many you know franchises killed off [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► to give the male protagonist a reason to [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► go do their thing right like all of that [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► is terrible and it's just a little light [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► it does matter [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► I mean there's a there's a wonderful [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► line that just weeding gave an interview [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► many years ago which I have stolen and [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► used myself many many times because I [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► write comics and you know books and [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► stuff with female protagonists almost [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► exclusively not quite squishy but almost [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► exclusively and whenever i get asked why [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► why is this character or a woman why do [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you write you know focus on writing [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► strong female characters i always give [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► the same after the just we can get which [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► is because it's 2015 and you're still [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► asking me that question [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► it's a very when he said it was 2003 but [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► you know your hands are getting but you [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► get the point [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► hey I didn't mean to say that it's [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► unimportant that she is a female [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► character obviously you know I think [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► that's it's tremendously gratifying to [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► see that in a in a Star Wars story [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► honestly because why not [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I guess is like they always the thing [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► come down to is likewise [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► there's no conceivable reason this [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► should be the domain of you know of of [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► men in any way and you know say what you [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► want for the the prequels but at least [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► they did you know develop you know [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► female Jedi they had like a little bit [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► more representation in some of those [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like you know whether than in the [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► original trilogy we're all of this Jedi [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► that we see our men and especially if [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► you can go on and watch the Clone Wars [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► or Star Wars rebels TV series in which [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► there are many female characters who [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► play really important roles in our [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► awesome you know it's it's great to see [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► that reflected in the in the main [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► franchise have you seen the I think it's [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► the sort of lego star wars droid tails i [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► think the little a TV series because i [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► know of them but i have wanted that [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► they're fantastic the most recent what I [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► saw had the best line in it and somebody [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► says to you de there aren't many women [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► in the star wars universe or something [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► like that and he says men fix this in [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► the future shall we [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► they're very good and self-referential [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► the things yet and in the prequels where [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► we do have a lot of more at least not a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► lot of women and in the background [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► playing Jedi and suchlike in effect a [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► bit parts of you got any lines at all [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► the nice thing is the dead t quite a lot [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► of those in the Clone Wars and give them [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► actual character things which I schools [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► is one minor redeeming feature of the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► prequel movies it's got cool north and [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► oh my god Star Wars rebels is amazing [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► again it just makes me better that I was [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► not given this at the appropriate age [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► because Hera who's piloting the ship [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► she's at we like smuggler pilot with a [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► smuggler shit she's like oh oh you're [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► the capture that clean star wars and the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► old republic it because I like smuggling [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► and yeah its just oh it's just you feel [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► validated like a real person when you [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► see reflections on the television it's [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► great exactly and the whole business of [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► her being overpowered as well again when [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► i watched it again i was really watching [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► for this and I you may have seen it [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► floating around online it's become a bit [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► of a has been passed around a lot idem a [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► graphic talking about the original [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► trilogy in pointing out how Luke heart [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► veda well on the prequels were all [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► incredibly high powered characters you [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► know they were all trapped crack shots [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► or some pilots great engineers hard was [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► multilingual uh huh you know if princess [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► fell in love with him [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Luke destroyed the Death Star with his [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► eyes closed aveda became the most feared [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► sit in the galaxy after being hacked to [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► pieces and survived all this stuff and [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► yet people are saying ray is overpowered [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► because she helps harm fix the [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► Millennium Falcon and she beats what is [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► clearly a fairly novice Seth in a [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► lightsaber fight and he's injured very [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► badly injured by the way and she still [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► almost gets beaten by him [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► so this whole idea that she's [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► overpowered is just absolutely absurd [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and I I guarantee if in an alternate [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► alternate universe where this is a male [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► character not a single person anywhere [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► is saying always a bit overpowered that [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► character is any we want that matter [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► that there are overpowered it's not a [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► video game where you have to have some [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► sort of you know Bella understand we are [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► not these things are fictional people we [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► have to be you know exactly as they are [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► real life with their hyper spaces and [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► laser swords and that's right [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► empires and grownup a son draining the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► song that you're orbiting of energy to [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► fire web now I mean you know yes its [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► star wars and the physics doesn't make [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► any sense but that that was the one bit [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► that I was like wait a second [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► but if we're going to get into arguing [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that ABA can't go on sand then 20 cm [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► completely be but that actually is a [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► very good point something i had problem [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► with was when they actually fired the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► weapon selection crossed arms no matter [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► how fast is that energy going because [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► they say afterwards that it so it is a [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► hyper-lightspeed weapon [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► ok that's ok that's fine then I [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► obviously missed that line for me [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► probably munching popcorn [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► I'm oh no I only spotted on on second [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► viewing and I'm actually i'm less fine [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► with the fact that everybody else sees [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► it instantly [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► yeah but after detonating bag but but [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► calling a hyper-lightspeed is totally [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► fine then but there was a comment that [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► everybody saw it at once because there [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► was a terror [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► hyperspace was the club i had that is [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► that is that if we say that assumes [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► facts not in evidence yeah yeah but i'll [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► buy it [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► JJ Abrams I think said so but draining [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► the Sun less so [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► well yeah yeah well I i will say yeah [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► that was there there are a lot of things [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► to him without me again if you go back [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► and look at the original trilogy you [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► know for years the nerves of hand weight [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► over the Kessel run in 12 parts and yeah [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► yeah we need to hang a lantern on here [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► we can write about it but you know a [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► hell it doesn't really matter it's [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► science fiction in this not even science [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► fiction it's fantasy right like brothers [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► in this isn't our universe projected [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► forward space long time ago it's a far [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► far away don't worry too much just don't [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► worry it's just a show just relax I'm [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► but it to talk about sort of bad physics [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► and throw back to the original what is [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► it with the Empire putting all these [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► vital switches and the universe like [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► halfway down a cliff face and you know [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► like the truly original tractor beam [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► around the back of a do you know on a [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► tiny little walkway over in a bit but [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► that's how you switch the tractor beam [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► off is it there's a workplace standards [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► in outer space the Empire and the first [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► order both are really they don't really [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► care too much about employee safety [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► their health plans are terrible I don't [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► worry but when Ray's climbing down the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► wall in the hangar she sees that switch [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► and I'm like why is there even a leaver [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► what are you gonna do fly a starship and [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► leaned out the window employees to do is [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► just like a closet or something [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► the engineering teams must like have [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► this Union who are look so annoyed and [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► pissed off [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► they're like okay you know what we're [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► going to do guys we can get a clear idea [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► of grabbing whatever over there they say [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► anything about it then there'll be no [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► livre so yeah they're just staring at [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► them tapping their foot you wanted a [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► lever I think this just seller is the [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► sum architect that we haven't seen yet [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► and you like really like designing rhyme [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► battle stage that was one of my favorite [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► another year awards reviews way they [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► were like no we were taking up the Death [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► Star this was the Death Star [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► this is our you what it's just like the [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► death star 10 times bigger [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► yeah hot even go so long ago [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► so about yeah it's a bit like the the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► monty python and the holy grail thing [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► with the castles in the swamp isn't it [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► burned down fell over and then sank into [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► the swamp knob solicit a completely [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► seriously of course talking about [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► architect the other thing i noticed was [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► one of the ways they made it really feel [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► like the original trilogy was on [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► Starkiller base those like vertical [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► lights in the walls which were nowhere [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► really to be seen in the prequels butter [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► all over the original trilogy and just [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► that and the slanting corridor walls and [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► things like so many little design [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► touches yes that do call back to the [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► original trilogy [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► yeah that was always a problem with the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► original prequels was as our technology [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► progressed out here and yet in the star [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► wars universe where I remember thinking [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► that the time like how are they going to [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► explain how chintzy and terrible [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► everything in the original shows at work [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► and it turns out that's exactly what [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► they did was like the sort of backpedal [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► they were like how it was a golden age [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► everything was much more organic and lua [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► and like okay that's not impossible [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► there are plenty of architectural and [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► design school changes if you looked you [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► know 30 40 years in the past now you [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► would see very different things then you [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► see today and if you project that [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► forward you would be very different [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► things as well but it never ended up [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► feeling like star wars because of that [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► and so I love that they clearly use [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► modern technology to build all of these [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► sets and everything and yet the design [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► of them in the aesthetic of them is does [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► not clash with the original trilogy [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► running it suddenly done and it's not [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► like you have all the same like crazy [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► blinking lights and see there's a CRT [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► monitor which is sort of how you go in [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► the wrong direction about that but it is [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► nice they tip their hat without you no [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► feeling like that too [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► slavish Lee adhere to what the original [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► trilogy look like yeah and one other you [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► may not notice so much but I'm sure us [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► three did one of the thing that made it [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► feel like the original trilogy minimal [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► amount of British character actors yeah [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► even thing that was the that was the [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► thing that took me out the film [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► absolutely the most was the Scottish [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► accent on that gangly yes I don't bear [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► the risk free drinks it was an accident [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► i don't know the idea was a perfectly [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► fine acts and it was just like you know [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► this is space while the Scottish people [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► were not these people are everywhere any [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► Oh have you seen starter but i don't [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► know what i mean but it's something like [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► in dog poo [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► I'm absolutely happy for all the [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► Scottish this in it and i love that the [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► the doctor [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► the doctor [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► scottish again and but unless it was [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► just it was like the one thing knows I'm [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► just gonna English accent and American [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► accents haha yeah yeah okay so I'm gonna [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► get thrown out of the country for this [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► comment but high but it was just it was [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► I think it was the thing was when he [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► spoke there was a big laugh in the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► cinema because we're really yeah because [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► everybody's like what is going on [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► otherwise what you are you allowed to go [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► so there ya how I didn't really see it [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► was dignified groans of my cinema [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► another well kind of but the one that [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► really got me was Harriet Walter who [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► plays the nurse how tattoo don't want to [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► lose her face and I kept being like why [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► do I know her [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► yeah attending to go you must have been [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► very brave yeah it's likely that that [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► was i'm actually even a little bit sad [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► that john-boy it doesn't get to use this [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► actual accent though I could see the eye [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► could see the same people who are upset [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► about rave throwing a fit over who two [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► main characters with British accent with [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► isn't Star Wars was America [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► yeah i did like the the in people did [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► not appear the first-order we're [TS]