The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► All right, what a crazy day. It's we are recording on Wednesday. What the hell day is it September

00:00:05 ◼   ► 18. So it's iOS seven day, as well as the day after all the the embargo lifted on the iPhone

00:00:16 ◼   ► five s and five C reviews and joining me today. I think for the first time is this the first time

00:00:21 ◼   ► you've been on the talk show first time? Jim Dalrymple? Hey, don't john. I'm doing good.

00:00:29 ◼   ► And you know, you pointed out, we were both at the Apple shindig last week and saw each

00:00:36 ◼   ► other like mid-event, like while they were talking.

00:00:39 ◼   ► So we just waved and literally did not say a word to each other.

00:00:42 ◼   ► I think for the first time ever.

00:00:44 ◼   ► It just was, it was so crowded.

00:00:48 ◼   ► It was like if you didn't, if you weren't already standing next to somebody, you had

00:00:51 ◼   ► no chance to just wander over and say hi to the people you know.

00:00:54 ◼   ► Well, it's funny you mentioned on the phone that Ohm Malek and I were sitting like right

00:01:00 ◼   ► across the aisle from each other and we didn't see each other.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Because I blend in pretty well.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Camouflage.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Yeah, it was a good event though.

00:01:14 ◼   ► I know you don't like them at the campus as much, but I do.

00:01:20 ◼   ► I like those ones.

00:01:22 ◼   ► I don't have any kind of phobia or anxiety disorder or anything

00:01:28 ◼   ► like that.

00:01:29 ◼   ► But just in general, I just don't like crowds.

00:01:33 ◼   ► I don't like being elbow to elbow with people.

00:01:39 ◼   ► And I'll just give you an example.

00:01:40 ◼   ► So I'm not a big concert goer.

00:01:42 ◼   ► I do go to concerts.

00:01:43 ◼   ► But I have to really like the band to go to a concert,

00:01:47 ◼   ► because I just don't like being that crowd.

00:01:50 ◼   ► And that's what, when they're on the Apple's campus,

00:01:54 ◼   ► the event is, it's just packed.

00:01:56 ◼   ► I mean, they invite far fewer people, but even so,

00:02:01 ◼   ► it just isn't meant for that.

00:02:04 ◼   ► - That's true.

00:02:06 ◼   ► You know, I don't go to concerts that much either,

00:02:08 ◼   ► but you wait until your son gets older,

00:02:10 ◼   ► then you'll be going.

00:02:11 ◼   ► - Amy'll take him.

00:02:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:02:17 ◼   ► He might have to invite down Uncle Jim to take him to the metal shows or something.

00:02:23 ◼   ► And you know what? And honestly, if there is any kind of trouble at a concert, Amy would

00:02:27 ◼   ► be better anyway.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Well, there you go. Well, I wouldn't mess with her. I'll tell you that. No way.

00:02:36 ◼   ► So I am interested. I think we're years away, obviously, and they haven't even broken ground.

00:02:41 ◼   ► But I think that when the new campus, the spaceship arrives, we already know from the

00:02:46 ◼   ► plans that have come out that part of the spaceship is is a compared to the town hall

00:02:52 ◼   ► they have now massive amphitheater where I would expect they're going to have all of

00:02:58 ◼   ► their future Apple events and I you know that that should be different because I think that

00:03:02 ◼   ► it's going to be built with the kind of crowds they draw in mind.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Well and it makes a lot of sense I mean you know Apple pulled out of all the trade shows

00:03:12 ◼   ► years ago because they wanted to do their own

00:03:14 ◼   ► types of events.

00:03:15 ◼   ► And you know, the first event I think that they

00:03:18 ◼   ► really held was, was either the iPod or the

00:03:22 ◼   ► MacBook, you know, the original white MacBook

00:03:25 ◼   ► when they had all those schools that, well, the

00:03:29 ◼   ► one big school that, that took it and then others

00:03:31 ◼   ► came on later.

00:03:32 ◼   ► But I think that they really saw the chance to

00:03:37 ◼   ► to control the environment.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:40 ◼   ► you know and uh... they don't need to go to moscone i mean moscone west when you

00:03:44 ◼   ► go to an event there it holds thousands of people

00:03:48 ◼   ► you know and sometimes i i think that they

00:03:51 ◼   ► they want more control over

00:03:53 ◼   ► what they're putting out and and how that information is

00:03:56 ◼   ► going around the internet

00:03:58 ◼   ► i like the events at the yerba buena center i think that's a really nice

00:04:02 ◼   ► facility i think it's a nice stage i mean it was great last year when the

00:04:06 ◼   ► foo fighters were there it sounded fantastic

00:04:10 ◼   ► And I kind of like seeing Apple out of the isolated nature of their own campus.

00:04:19 ◼   ► Like, I vaguely worry—well, you and I talked about this on the phone, but, you know, I

00:04:23 ◼   ► might as well say it here—but I vaguely worry that come the future Spaceship Campus,

00:04:30 ◼   ► that we're literally not going to see Apple anywhere outside their own—the enclave of

00:04:37 ◼   ► of their own campus except WWDC.

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Right.

00:04:41 ◼   ► - And I don't think that's healthy.

00:04:43 ◼   ► I'm not sure.

00:04:43 ◼   ► I'm not sure why though.

00:04:44 ◼   ► - And who knows?

00:04:46 ◼   ► This thing is gonna be huge.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Who knows what we could see for WWDC?

00:04:50 ◼   ► - Right, I've thought of that too.

00:04:51 ◼   ► It doesn't seem practical to me

00:04:53 ◼   ► that they would build into their campus facilities

00:04:56 ◼   ► for a four or 5,000 person campus, or I mean conference,

00:04:59 ◼   ► but I don't know, who knows?

00:05:01 ◼   ► The thing's gonna be huge.

00:05:02 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:05:03 ◼   ► I mean, maybe at that point they can expand it.

00:05:07 ◼   ► You know, and part of the reason that they can't

00:05:12 ◼   ► expand it right now is because they just don't

00:05:14 ◼   ► have the resources.

00:05:15 ◼   ► I mean, you can only have so many engineers,

00:05:17 ◼   ► but by that time, with that size campus,

00:05:20 ◼   ► I mean, down in Cupertino last week,

00:05:23 ◼   ► you know, I went to see some friends that didn't

00:05:26 ◼   ► even work at Apple driving through Cupertino.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Every building down there is Apple.

00:05:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:31 ◼   ► You know, they're so spread out.

00:05:33 ◼   ► I mean, some of the buildings are miles away.

00:05:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:05:36 ◼   ► - There they are.

00:05:39 ◼   ► - You know, it's true, and I know a lot of people,

00:05:42 ◼   ► I mean, I'm guessing most people out there

00:05:45 ◼   ► listening to the show have never stepped foot

00:05:46 ◼   ► on Apple's campus because it's out of the way.

00:05:49 ◼   ► But I know a lot of people who are fans of the company,

00:05:51 ◼   ► if they're in the area, they'll make a pilgrimage,

00:05:54 ◼   ► they'll stop in, there is a company store

00:05:56 ◼   ► that people can go to.

00:05:58 ◼   ► It's like, I think the only place

00:05:59 ◼   ► where you can actually buy Apple T-shirts,

00:06:02 ◼   ► You know famously they don't sell they don't sell Apple t-shirts and Apple retail stores

00:06:07 ◼   ► And so people go and do that, but one thing you're struck by and it's you know

00:06:13 ◼   ► Knowing how big Apple has gotten you know that they're the you know

00:06:16 ◼   ► Biggest by market cap company in the world or second X on or whatever the the actual official

00:06:22 ◼   ► One infinite loop campus is relatively small by them by their current standards and it's like you said and you think like well

00:06:29 ◼   ► can, given how big Apple's gotten, how can they really still be in these buildings? And you're

00:06:33 ◼   ► exactly right. They're spread all over Cupertino right now.

00:06:36 ◼   ► Yeah. And it's no exaggeration when you look at how far and wide those buildings are. I mean,

00:06:46 ◼   ► and some of them, what's funny is that they came from companies like HP and other large companies

00:06:53 ◼   ► that gave up those buildings and Apple snaps them up and you know they put hundreds of

00:06:59 ◼   ► people in them.

00:07:00 ◼   ► And the land for the new campus was from HP too.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I think truth be told and you know some of this growth came so quickly but and it's

00:07:10 ◼   ► hard I mean it's hard to build a massive spaceship.

00:07:16 ◼   ► I mean it really is it's like a skyscraper that you know you lay down on the ground and

00:07:22 ◼   ► form a donut out of. I mean, but it's, you know, it's as big or bigger than like a massive

00:07:28 ◼   ► Manhattan skyscraper in terms of, you know, floor space.

00:07:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:33 ◼   ► You know, and that doesn't happen overnight, obviously. But it's overdue. I mean, the company

00:07:37 ◼   ► is bursting at the seams on campus.

00:07:40 ◼   ► Well, and it's going to be good for them. I mean, I've seen people walking out of One

00:07:47 ◼   ► infinite loop to go to a meeting they hop in their car and you know drive across town

00:07:52 ◼   ► yeah just just for a meeting I mean you know having everybody in in one central place is

00:07:57 ◼   ► going to be good for for the whole company because then you'll have you know these the

00:08:02 ◼   ► meetings that they have the design meetings I mean you know people aren't gonna they're

00:08:06 ◼   ► not gonna be put out by doing this you just kind of stop by I just worry though that in

00:08:11 ◼   ► terms of like public relations that it's too it's gonna be too isolating for them I mean

00:08:15 ◼   ► people often make the joke that Apple is sort of like Willy Wonka, you know, that they're

00:08:21 ◼   ► secretive and they, you know, every once in a while come out with these amazing things.

00:08:25 ◼   ► But there's, you know, there's that aspect of Willy Wonka too where he, you know, he

00:08:29 ◼   ► secluded himself in the factory and closed the gates and got real weird, you know.

00:08:34 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:08:35 ◼   ► You know, and Apple employees are, they do go to conferences, you know, they go to CES,

00:08:41 ◼   ► They go to all sorts of conferences.

00:08:43 ◼   ► They just don't go and speak publicly.

00:08:46 ◼   ► They're just there and you kind of have to look

00:08:48 ◼   ► at their name badge to find out they're there.

00:08:50 ◼   ► I just worry about that, that long term,

00:08:54 ◼   ► it's that they're too isolated as a company.

00:08:57 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:09:00 ◼   ► It's gonna be an interesting thing to see.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Once they start moving everything in there,

00:09:10 ◼   ► if they start closing off,

00:09:13 ◼   ► I don't know if they would close off like that.

00:09:16 ◼   ► I mean, the only thing that they're doing

00:09:18 ◼   ► is pulling their employees all together.

00:09:22 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:09:23 ◼   ► - You know, and all the resources that they have

00:09:24 ◼   ► and putting those all together.

00:09:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would say it's two different things.

00:09:27 ◼   ► I think for day-to-day operations,

00:09:29 ◼   ► it's gonna be a huge win, no doubt about it.

00:09:31 ◼   ► And I think, you know, almost like the,

00:09:33 ◼   ► well, I don't even think it's a coincidence.

00:09:36 ◼   ► I don't think it's, I think it's the opposite.

00:09:38 ◼   ► I think it's by design that like Pixar's campus

00:09:40 ◼   ► where they purposefully designed it with this atrium where everybody would have to – central

00:09:45 ◼   ► atrium where no matter what your job was, you'd kind of have to run into other people,

00:09:49 ◼   ► that it would be good if the people who were working on the ray tracer software would just

00:09:55 ◼   ► by coincidence run into the story team and they'd meet and maybe become friends and,

00:10:00 ◼   ► you know, and that good ideas can come out of accidental meetings. I think there'd

00:10:04 ◼   ► be a lot more of that sort of stuff.

00:10:06 ◼   ► stuff. I'm saying no from a public relations standpoint for events that it's, and conferences

00:10:12 ◼   ► and stuff. It's worrisome to me that maybe we'll never see them outside of their own campus.

00:10:18 ◼   ► Ted: Yeah, and that could very well happen considering the scope of what they're building.

00:10:23 ◼   ► Justin: And just, you know, what we know about how much control they like to have over stuff.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Ted; Yeah. Well, I mean, they have control over stuff now, and, you know, things are still leaking.

00:10:34 ◼   ► Yeah, you know so

00:10:36 ◼   ► Tim said what last year that they were gonna double up on security

00:10:42 ◼   ► Secrecy seekers, but yet here they are

00:10:45 ◼   ► Yeah, you know I've gotten a lot of questions about that

00:10:48 ◼   ► Why in this week, and that's a that's as good a place to start as any is

00:10:53 ◼   ► For the most part I would say the only thing that maybe was a surprise was that that the that the 5s went to

00:11:02 ◼   ► 64-bit

00:11:04 ◼   ► Yeah

00:11:06 ◼   ► Let's I don't not even sure what to think about that but

00:11:10 ◼   ► the bottom line though, is that the the stuff that leaked I

00:11:14 ◼   ► Think all of it just about all of it came from the Asia supply chain and

00:11:21 ◼   ► I don't know that there's anything Apple can do about that

00:11:27 ◼   ► That's it's so tough, you know, despite the fact that that a lot of this stuff leaked from the Asian supply chain

00:11:34 ◼   ► Most of the analysts were still wrong. Oh the analysts were definitely it's you know, who's right? It's the people who literally

00:11:42 ◼   ► Pay off factory employees to sneak out

00:11:47 ◼   ► Components right right. I mean like there's no like analysis to it

00:11:51 ◼   ► It's it's just black market bribery to get you know, here's here's the gold frame

00:11:57 ◼   ► from the iPhone 5s, you know, here it is.

00:12:01 ◼   ► - And how do you stop that?

00:12:03 ◼   ► I mean, it's almost impossible.

00:12:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:12:05 ◼   ► Software-wise, almost nothing leaked.

00:12:08 ◼   ► I mean, even something as stupid and as innocuous

00:12:10 ◼   ► as the fact that it, only in the GM, none of the betas,

00:12:14 ◼   ► they added all new ringtones and alert tones,

00:12:19 ◼   ► that didn't leak, they had that, you know,

00:12:20 ◼   ► I mean, that was the only software surprise,

00:12:22 ◼   ► but it, you know, didn't leak.

00:12:24 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:12:24 ◼   ► - You know, and I think I even mentioned last week

00:12:26 ◼   ► I had Brent Simmons and Dave Whiskas on the show. Think about this. iOS 7 itself did not

00:12:31 ◼   ► leak until they showed it at WWDC. Now, there were rumors that it was going flat, that it

00:12:36 ◼   ► was a radical redesign, that it was going to be polarizing. But the actual, you know,

00:12:40 ◼   ► what it actually looked like did not leak until they showed it on stage at WWDC.

00:12:45 ◼   ► Tim Cynova Yeah, that's right.

00:12:47 ◼   ► John Green So the stuff that happens on campus in Cupertino,

00:12:51 ◼   ► they're definitely, I think they have successfully doubled down on secrecy. The stuff that goes

00:12:55 ◼   ► through the agent's supply chain, it just leaks like a sieve.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Is that why they're moving some of the manufacturing to the US or to different

00:13:03 ◼   ► places? You know, they're talking about Brazil and they talk about the US?

00:13:07 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of it. You know, you always have to read between

00:13:12 ◼   ► the lines with these with Tech Tim and Phil on stage. I mean, they're, you know,

00:13:17 ◼   ► they're so polished, so rehearsed. But, you know, and again, this just could be my

00:13:21 ◼   ► imagination I'm totally just you know armchair psych psych psychologist here

00:13:28 ◼   ► but like when when Tim Cook was up there after Craig Federighi did the run

00:13:34 ◼   ► through of what's new in iowa7 and the next thing was to talk about new iPhones

00:13:38 ◼   ► and Tim said something along the lines of some you know new iPhones some of you

00:13:42 ◼   ► maybe have been expecting this I couldn't help but think though that he

00:13:46 ◼   ► He hated that.

00:13:47 ◼   ► He hated it.

00:13:49 ◼   ► Hated it that we already knew sort of what the 5S looked like.

00:13:53 ◼   ► Hated that we'd already – I don't know.

00:13:56 ◼   ► I just felt like I could see it and that the gold, it was not a surprise.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Really think that that disappointed them.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I think it must disappoint them because they work for a couple of years on these products

00:14:13 ◼   ► then they're leaked, you know, a few months before they come out. And Apple loves the surprise. They

00:14:20 ◼   ► love that factor of their keynotes that they can say, "Oh yeah, just one more thing." But if

00:14:27 ◼   ► everybody knows what the one more thing is, then, you know, it's done. Steve hated that.

00:14:32 ◼   ► And I have to think that Tim does too. But, you know, it wasn't really much of a surprise.

00:14:41 ◼   ► We we did get confirmation on you know colors and pricing and and things like that

00:14:47 ◼   ► But it's got to be a letdown to get up in the morning and see

00:14:51 ◼   ► Your new product that will be announced in a month's time splashed all over the internet

00:14:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so and I can't help but think that there's it maybe maybe that's it's simple enough not to

00:15:04 ◼   ► think it about like why did the 64-bit stay secret and the other stuff didn't I think it's probably because the

00:15:12 ◼   ► a7 is

00:15:14 ◼   ► If not the most expensive component it's one of you know, maybe maybe the display

00:15:20 ◼   ► something like that and so it would be a lot harder to smuggle that out and a

00:15:27 ◼   ► Lay person, you know, like someone who'd simply assembles them

00:15:30 ◼   ► They have no idea what they're looking at. You can't look at the A7 and tell that it's a 64-bit

00:15:36 ◼   ► RV8. It just says A7 designed by Apple in California or something like that. They don't

00:15:42 ◼   ► know what it is. And I think it's a harder thing to smuggle out. And if they did, how would somebody

00:15:47 ◼   ► else even tell what it is? Well, and you mentioned it earlier that the secrecy on campus is getting a

00:15:56 ◼   ► lot better and that's where they would be developing iOS 7 so you know 64-bit versions

00:16:02 ◼   ► of that remember when when Steve announced the Intel version of of Mac OS X and said there's

00:16:08 ◼   ► a building on campus where this has been developed for the last year alongside the other version and

00:16:12 ◼   ► nobody knew right I mean that that that is incredible and if you've ever been on campus

00:16:20 ◼   ► you know, there are people walking around with trolleys with black cloths draped over them.

00:16:27 ◼   ► You know, so there is a lot of secrecy that goes on there, even from their own employees.

00:16:35 ◼   ► And the employees understand that, you know, I think these days, a lot of those people that

00:16:42 ◼   ► work there really want to work for Apple. And more often than not, if you talk to people,

00:16:50 ◼   ► that work there, they believe what they're doing

00:16:53 ◼   ► actually means something.

00:16:55 ◼   ► They're making changes, they're innovating on things,

00:16:58 ◼   ► and they wanna continue to work there.

00:17:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, because if you don't work there,

00:17:02 ◼   ► where else are you gonna work

00:17:04 ◼   ► that has the same priorities as Apple?

00:17:06 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:17:07 ◼   ► - And I think that the same logic applies to Google.

00:17:11 ◼   ► I think in general, obviously there are exceptions,

00:17:14 ◼   ► and I'm sure that there are some people working at Google

00:17:16 ◼   ► who used to work at Apple and vice versa.

00:17:19 ◼   ► But on the whole though, they attract different types

00:17:22 ◼   ► of engineers, different types of designers,

00:17:25 ◼   ► people with, you know, who see different things

00:17:28 ◼   ► as the most important thing they could be working on.

00:17:31 ◼   ► - Well, and for the good ones, for these great engineers,

00:17:35 ◼   ► they do have a choice.

00:17:37 ◼   ► You know, Apple goes looking for them,

00:17:39 ◼   ► and Google goes looking for them.

00:17:42 ◼   ► So they can pretty much work where they want.

00:17:45 ◼   ► You know, it's not a matter of, oh boy,

00:17:47 ◼   ► I better take this job at Apple

00:17:48 ◼   ► because I've got nothing else.

00:17:50 ◼   ► All of these companies try and bring over the greatest.

00:17:56 ◼   ► So, I talked to a developer down there,

00:18:01 ◼   ► well, he owns a company and he's looking for developers.

00:18:05 ◼   ► He can't find good developers in the San Jose,

00:18:10 ◼   ► in the Valley basically,

00:18:12 ◼   ► because they're all taken up and Apple pays them well

00:18:16 ◼   ► and everybody gives them great benefits.

00:18:18 ◼   ► Apple, Google. So he ended up going to Austin because there's nobody left out there.

00:18:25 ◼   ► Ted

00:18:44 ◼   ► You know, they left maybe two years ago,

00:18:47 ◼   ► and I know some of them who are already back.

00:18:50 ◼   ► You know, that the door, not because they had to,

00:18:52 ◼   ► but you know, and it's almost like that's how you do

00:18:55 ◼   ► a sabbatical at Apple.

00:18:56 ◼   ► Like if you're tired and wanna try something,

00:18:58 ◼   ► you leave and you go and work somewhere else

00:19:01 ◼   ► for a year or two, and then if you want

00:19:03 ◼   ► and the itch is still there, you go back to Apple

00:19:05 ◼   ► and the door is usually open if you left on good terms

00:19:09 ◼   ► and did good work.

00:19:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of people

00:19:13 ◼   ► that have done that.

00:19:14 ◼   ► - I mean, Schiller did that, right?

00:19:16 ◼   ► - Oh, I don't think so.

00:19:17 ◼   ► Did he?

00:19:18 ◼   ► - Schiller was there and he went to Macromedia

00:19:21 ◼   ► and then came back?

00:19:22 ◼   ► - Oh, I didn't know he was at Apple before Macromedia.

00:19:24 ◼   ► I only knew that he was at Macromedia.

00:19:27 ◼   ► Well, that doesn't surprise me, I guess.

00:19:29 ◼   ► I knew that he was at Macromedia, though.

00:19:32 ◼   ► - I mean, there's--

00:19:32 ◼   ► - Boy, that was a long time ago.

00:19:34 ◼   ► It's hard to imagine. - Wow.

00:19:36 ◼   ► - 'Cause Schiller's gotta be the executive

00:19:39 ◼   ► who's been there the longest.

00:19:40 ◼   ► - He must be.

00:19:41 ◼   ► Because I know that he was senior vice president for product marketing before jobs returned.

00:19:48 ◼   ► He was like maybe the only guy who survived the return of jobs.

00:19:53 ◼   ► I think he was.

00:19:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:56 ◼   ► He could be.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Very hard to imagine a modern Apple without Phil Schiller.

00:20:02 ◼   ► It really is.

00:20:03 ◼   ► But you're right.

00:20:05 ◼   ► And just going back one step, you're right though that the whole idea that on day one,

00:20:09 ◼   ► a 7 64-bit total secret

00:20:14 ◼   ► well it's gotta be because it was

00:20:17 ◼   ► produced at at apple but

00:20:19 ◼   ► the most people care about sixty four bit

00:20:23 ◼   ► well i went into it in my review uh...

00:20:28 ◼   ► and you know in sixty four bit in and of itself no not really worth worrying

00:20:32 ◼   ► about it's a developer problem and you know just like with with mac OS X i

00:20:36 ◼   ► don't think that uh...

00:20:38 ◼   ► really had to worry about it when Mac OS X went 64-bit.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Unlike every other platform I'm aware of, like Windows, you didn't have to worry

00:20:46 ◼   ► about what version of an app you had. It all just worked.

00:20:50 ◼   ► And I think it'll be like that for consumers with this.

00:20:54 ◼   ► The big difference is the move from the old ARMv7

00:20:58 ◼   ► architecture to ARMv8, which has

00:21:02 ◼   ► a whole bunch of real performance improvements, and it

00:21:06 ◼   ► It makes sense if you're going to go to ARMv8 to go 64-bit at the same time.

00:21:12 ◼   ► So in a way they should care because it's really what enabled the 5s to be literally,

00:21:18 ◼   ► like no exaggeration, twice as fast as the 5 from a year ago.

00:21:27 ◼   ► And twice as fast in one generation of phones is – that's significant.

00:21:33 ◼   ► Yeah, it's really like the old days of the PC industry, you know, where you could, you know,

00:21:38 ◼   ► you buy a computer and a year later for the same price you could buy one that was twice as fast and you feel like

00:21:43 ◼   ► man, that's, you know, I can't believe I should have waited a year to buy my computer. It really is like that with mobile.

00:21:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:50 ◼   ► It certainly isn't like that with PCs anymore.

00:21:53 ◼   ► Like, you know.

00:21:54 ◼   ► No.

00:21:55 ◼   ► A new MacBook Air you buy today is not twice as fast. It's better. The battery life,

00:22:00 ◼   ► they've certainly made significant improvements

00:22:02 ◼   ► year over year, but you don't see doubling of clock speed,

00:22:06 ◼   ► or I guess not clock speed,

00:22:07 ◼   ► but CPU performance year over year.

00:22:09 ◼   ► It's really amazing.

00:22:11 ◼   ► - Well, and I think people realize now

00:22:14 ◼   ► that the PC isn't really what they need anymore.

00:22:19 ◼   ► You know, I mean, for all intents and purposes,

00:22:22 ◼   ► the iPhone is a PC.

00:22:24 ◼   ► - Oh, definitely.

00:22:25 ◼   ► - And then you have the iPad.

00:22:28 ◼   ► I work, I still work on a MacBook Pro,

00:22:33 ◼   ► but I can easily work on an iPad.

00:22:37 ◼   ► I can work on my phone if I really need to.

00:22:39 ◼   ► I don't like to, but I can.

00:22:41 ◼   ► - I do a significant amount of work on my phone.

00:22:46 ◼   ► One thing I do, a lot of on my phone,

00:22:48 ◼   ► is queue up material that I want to link to

00:22:52 ◼   ► later in the day.

00:22:53 ◼   ► So I'll just start my day with the phone in my hand

00:22:57 ◼   ► and start reading.

00:22:58 ◼   ► And if I see something, hey, I should link to that

00:23:01 ◼   ► from during Fireball, you know,

00:23:02 ◼   ► unless I'm gonna be on the phone all day,

00:23:04 ◼   ► I won't peck it all out on my thumbs right there.

00:23:06 ◼   ► I'll just send it to Pinboard

00:23:08 ◼   ► and then later when I'm at my desk,

00:23:09 ◼   ► I've already got six or seven things

00:23:11 ◼   ► that I've flagged to post.

00:23:14 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:23:15 ◼   ► - It's tremendously useful to me.

00:23:16 ◼   ► - Well, I do, I started using ReadingList.

00:23:20 ◼   ► I was using Instapaper.

00:23:22 ◼   ► But when I started trying out ReadingList

00:23:25 ◼   ► because it syncs now between all the devices.

00:23:29 ◼   ► I tried that out to see how that would work.

00:23:32 ◼   ► And it's pretty good.

00:23:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it's gotten better too.

00:23:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not perfect by any stretch,

00:23:39 ◼   ► but usually what I do, somebody asks me

00:23:42 ◼   ► how long my reading list was.

00:23:44 ◼   ► Well, as soon as I linked to something, I delete it.

00:23:47 ◼   ► - Right.

00:23:48 ◼   ► - So my list isn't that long.

00:23:50 ◼   ► But it's a pretty efficient way to do things.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Now at night when I put my computer down I usually pick up my iPad and you know that's

00:24:02 ◼   ► just casual reading you know going through you know the latest things that people send

00:24:08 ◼   ► or whatever and you know that's a more casual type of browsing for me to sit down with the

00:24:16 ◼   ► iPad and do that.

00:24:17 ◼   ► But then you know saving links and things like that but if I have to post something

00:24:22 ◼   ► I'll probably reach over and grab my Macbook again.

00:24:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I would say it just is a rough schedule. The iPhone is my morning device. My Mac at

00:24:35 ◼   ► my desk is my afternoon to evening device. And then my iPad is my evening device. Like

00:24:42 ◼   ► last night was a perfect example. So I was late publishing my – the embargo I think

00:24:47 ◼   ► embargo I think was 9 p.m. Pacific on the iPhone reviews and I was I was late

00:24:55 ◼   ► as usual I think I published right after midnight Eastern Time so about three

00:25:00 ◼   ► hours late that's actually good for you that's pretty good I was tired I had a

00:25:15 ◼   ► busy day linking before I really settled down to write. I had a lot of notes from the week.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I mean, when I write this stuff, I have notes scribbled in Vesper, I have notes scribbled

00:25:27 ◼   ► in paper notebooks, I have the beginnings in BB Edit of sort of like a text file with the article.

00:25:34 ◼   ► But I just sort of like let it all stew and then I just start writing. And I think I ended up at

00:25:39 ◼   ► up at about 6,000 words or so. I was tired. I mean, that's a busy day, 6,000 words. I

00:25:47 ◼   ► mean, I'm not saying I wrote all 6,000 words, but I kind of put them all together. And it's

00:25:52 ◼   ► midnight and all the other reviews were out. And even when I'm late, I don't stop and

00:25:57 ◼   ► read. I want to get my review out without being biased by what other people have said.

00:26:01 ◼   ► But then there are so many reviews that came out on the embargo. The last thing in the

00:26:06 ◼   ► world I would want to do is still be at my desk and read them on the computer. Reading

00:26:10 ◼   ► them on the iPad with a beer in my hand on the couch, it was so much better than the

00:26:17 ◼   ► old days before the iPad. It really was. I mean, it was –

00:26:20 ◼   ► I know.

00:26:21 ◼   ► You know, I'm laying back. I'm on the couch in the living room, not at my desk.

00:26:24 ◼   ► I mean, I've had – you know, by the time – when you write 6,000 words in a day, the

00:26:27 ◼   ► last thing you want to do is still be at your desk.

00:26:29 ◼   ► Yep. No, I agree.

00:26:31 ◼   ► not be better. And you know what? I would not want to read like you can't read a non

00:26:37 ◼   ► less shrimpies. You can't read that. I can't read that on an iPhone.

00:26:43 ◼   ► No, you can't read that without a beer or case. Right. Something to I love his because

00:26:49 ◼   ► it made mine feel short. I I loved I linked to his today and I said, I don't think that

00:26:56 ◼   ► anybody more qualified to do this type of review. I mean, he just, he basically tears

00:27:04 ◼   ► the thing apart and, you know, talks about things that the very tech-minded people care

00:27:13 ◼   ► about and you need that. You really do.

00:27:17 ◼   ► You know what I was nervous about? I'm going to take a break in a minute for the first

00:27:20 ◼   ► But I was nervous because I went a little bit more benchmarky in mine than I usually

00:27:27 ◼   ► do, because I really thought that the 64-bit transition was so interesting, and there'd

00:27:32 ◼   ► been so much controversy about, ah, this going to 64-bit with only 1 gig of RAM is a total

00:27:37 ◼   ► gimmick, blah, blah, blah.

00:27:38 ◼   ► So I really went a lot more technical than I have in a long time.

00:27:43 ◼   ► And I was so worried, because I knew when I read Anand that if he said, like, ah, this

00:27:49 ◼   ► this is kind of a meh upgrade performance-wise

00:27:51 ◼   ► that I was toast.

00:27:52 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:27:54 ◼   ► So I, and I usually do, he breaks his up

00:27:56 ◼   ► over multiple pages.

00:27:58 ◼   ► I actually skipped and went to the CPU performance page

00:28:03 ◼   ► first just to like double check and everything he had

00:28:06 ◼   ► kind of jibed with mine, you know, that wow,

00:28:08 ◼   ► this is, you know, it's about twice as fast

00:28:10 ◼   ► year over year and it's faster than all the leading

00:28:12 ◼   ► Android phones and I was like, whoo.

00:28:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, when I look at something like that,

00:28:18 ◼   ► I kind of take the end user approach in my reviews and this time I went for the pain points.

00:28:27 ◼   ► And for me that's that damn password, you know, unlocking the phone every single time.

00:28:33 ◼   ► And I did have concerns about the fingerprint sensor because as I laid out in the review,

00:28:40 ◼   ► you know, I was worried it was going to say, "Okay, I'm on law, I'm awake and oh, you want

00:28:45 ◼   ► to do a fingerprint and okay I'll read and you know it'd just be this painful experience that

00:28:51 ◼   ► I could actually type it in faster than waiting for the fingerprint and that would be useless as a

00:28:57 ◼   ► feature that you would want to continue to use. I mean it has to be fast and it really is.

00:29:05 ◼   ► You just press the home button to wake the phone up and just keep just rest your thumb on it and I

00:29:14 ◼   ► I use my thumb instead of a finger because that's how I hold the phone.

00:29:18 ◼   ► I just rest my thumb on it and it's immediate.

00:29:20 ◼   ► It just opens up.

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00:31:09 ◼   ► So my description of the fingerprint sensor is exactly like you said it's it's so much faster than I think it even has to be

00:31:17 ◼   ► Yeah, right

00:31:18 ◼   ► Like my thought going in was exactly the same as yours that it it can't be like

00:31:23 ◼   ► Roughly as long as it takes to enter a passcode. It has to be way faster than the passcode. Yeah, because

00:31:31 ◼   ► It's just the way that any sort of disruption has to be 10 times better than the thing that

00:31:40 ◼   ► came before it.

00:31:42 ◼   ► And just, I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but I think that's exactly the

00:31:45 ◼   ► problem that Windows Phone faces.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Windows Phone is, by all accounts, really good mobile operating system, but it was late.

00:31:53 ◼   ► And at best, it's roughly on par with Android and iOS.

00:31:58 ◼   ► It's like the same thing.

00:31:59 ◼   ► not 10 times better.

00:32:01 ◼   ► So it just has trouble getting traction.

00:32:03 ◼   ► Whereas the original iPhone was 10 times better

00:32:06 ◼   ► than what came before it.

00:32:07 ◼   ► That's what does it.

00:32:09 ◼   ► So if you're gonna get rid of passcodes,

00:32:11 ◼   ► the thing that you're gonna get rid of them with

00:32:13 ◼   ► has to be like 10 times better,

00:32:14 ◼   ► and that's what Touch ID is.

00:32:16 ◼   ► It is, it is so much faster than I really thought

00:32:21 ◼   ► that they were gonna be able to achieve.

00:32:22 ◼   ► I had like my hopes, I hope it's like that fast.

00:32:26 ◼   ► and they exceeded it by a long shot.

00:32:29 ◼   ► - You know, there are these features that come out

00:32:32 ◼   ► in whether it's iOS or OS X,

00:32:35 ◼   ► what's that thing called in OS X, Exposé.

00:32:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:40 ◼   ► - You know, you can do these windows

00:32:42 ◼   ► and you can have all this stuff going on.

00:32:45 ◼   ► I never used it.

00:32:46 ◼   ► You know, it's one of those things that

00:32:49 ◼   ► when it first comes out, you look at it and say,

00:32:51 ◼   ► wow, that's cool.

00:32:52 ◼   ► But if it doesn't actually remove a problem or a pain point for you, then you're not

00:32:59 ◼   ► going to end up using it.

00:33:02 ◼   ► The hopes that I had similar to yours for the Touch ID was they were pretty high expectations

00:33:09 ◼   ► and it exceeded them for me.

00:33:11 ◼   ► And so much, and you know, we talked about this on the phone, so much so that I went

00:33:16 ◼   ► to my 5C and clicked it on and left my thumb there on the thing waiting for it to unlock

00:33:22 ◼   ► and I thought, "Oh my god, it's broken."

00:33:24 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:33:25 ◼   ► - I've seen that in at least three different reviews

00:33:27 ◼   ► of the iPhone 5S today.

00:33:28 ◼   ► Everybody does it.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Everybody.

00:33:31 ◼   ► - That shows you that the feature works.

00:33:35 ◼   ► And it does remove a problem.

00:33:36 ◼   ► And it absolutely did for me.

00:33:39 ◼   ► So yeah, that's something that,

00:33:41 ◼   ► that in itself is a reason to buy the 5S.

00:33:44 ◼   ► - I think Tim Cook even kind of touched on this,

00:33:48 ◼   ► I think in his wrap up at the end of the event.

00:33:50 ◼   ► I know he touched on it, and I can't remember when, but I think it was at the very end when

00:33:54 ◼   ► he was wrapping it up, when he was talking about the new stuff.

00:34:00 ◼   ► And there's not that much new, really.

00:34:01 ◼   ► I mean, there's Touch ID, there's the improved camera with the burst mode and the slow-mo,

00:34:06 ◼   ► and there's the performance gains.

00:34:09 ◼   ► But that they really focus not just on adding new stuff, but new stuff that everybody will

00:34:15 ◼   ► find useful.

00:34:17 ◼   ► And reading between the lines there, to me, it's putting a finger at no better example

00:34:22 ◼   ► than the Samsung Galaxy S4, the one that was unveiled at Radio City Music Hall with the

00:34:29 ◼   ► song and dance show and all this stuff.

00:34:32 ◼   ► And these features, they had all these new features like watching a video and then when

00:34:37 ◼   ► you move your eyes away, it'll pause automatically and something where you can somehow move and

00:34:45 ◼   ► manipulate items on the screen without actually touching the glass and then you

00:34:49 ◼   ► read all the reviews and everybody says these things are gimmicks and they don't

00:34:52 ◼   ► even work that well I don't like it yeah and and now you know here we are six

00:34:56 ◼   ► seven months later nobody even talks about those features nobody says boy all

00:35:01 ◼   ► the other Android phones and iPhone need to get this look away from video and

00:35:06 ◼   ► have it pause automatically because you know what that's nobody actually has a

00:35:10 ◼   ► problem pausing a video right tap the screen tap pause well and and where are

00:35:16 ◼   ► you gonna watch video on your phone you know sometimes maybe you're in an

00:35:19 ◼   ► airport so you know you lift your eyes up and look around and expect it to keep

00:35:24 ◼   ► going like which I would and then a pause it no right you wouldn't want that

00:35:27 ◼   ► no it's it's like you said though it's it is hard to find actual problems to

00:35:34 ◼   ► solve and to and to solve them in a way that it works for everybody well and

00:35:39 ◼   ► And there, I think you just nailed something that Apple does that nobody else does.

00:35:46 ◼   ► I think that they actually look for the problems to solve.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Instead of coming up and saying, "I've got this fancy new feature," and I'll

00:35:54 ◼   ► grant it, Apple probably does this too.

00:35:57 ◼   ► You know, "Let's make a backup that looks like it's in space and on your Mac."

00:36:01 ◼   ► And you know, they highlight that stuff as well.

00:36:05 ◼   ► But it doesn't seem to me that a lot of companies actually look for something to solve.

00:36:11 ◼   ► When Apple looks at the passcode, "Okay, we need people or we want people to be secure

00:36:18 ◼   ► and we want them to lock their phones.

00:36:20 ◼   ► This is a real problem."

00:36:22 ◼   ► And your phone beeps, you pick it up, you type in your passcode and then you lock it

00:36:30 ◼   ► and put it back down again and then it beeps again.

00:36:32 ◼   ► Then you got to pick it back up.

00:36:34 ◼   ► Well that's an actual problem that people have with security.

00:36:39 ◼   ► And they solve that.

00:36:40 ◼   ► I would like, you know, people talk about why I'm so mean to Samsung.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Well, don't just take, you know, ten new features and throw them in there if they don't actually

00:36:54 ◼   ► do anything.

00:36:55 ◼   ► Right, you're wasting people's time, you really are.

00:36:58 ◼   ► And I can see why they do it.

00:36:59 ◼   ► They shouldn't, but I can see why.

00:37:01 ◼   ► they're not actually helping customers, because if the feature isn't helpful. But they're

00:37:06 ◼   ► doing it because so many people in the technology press and the business press have this insatiable

00:37:15 ◼   ► desire for endless revolution. Like, I'm going to avoid the word innovation, because I've

00:37:22 ◼   ► talked about it, that I think innovation means something different than what the people who

00:37:27 ◼   ► say Apple can't innovate anymore. What they say – what they think innovation means is

00:37:31 ◼   ► revolution. They want a new – the 2007 iPhone every 12 months.

00:37:36 ◼   ► Right.

00:37:37 ◼   ► And that's not going to happen. Real innovation is incremental and it's like a – it's

00:37:41 ◼   ► always about going a layer deeper. Often, often going – every once in a while it is

00:37:46 ◼   ► about revolution, but for the most part it's incremental. And for some reason in technology,

00:37:52 ◼   ► that's where people see this. Maybe because technology is still relatively a new field.

00:37:57 ◼   ► But I think about the automobile industry,

00:38:00 ◼   ► and nobody demands stuff like that.

00:38:02 ◼   ► Nobody, like when BMW comes out with the new 3 Series,

00:38:06 ◼   ► is demanding that I can't believe that it still

00:38:09 ◼   ► has tires on the road, and we don't have hover cars yet.

00:38:14 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:38:15 ◼   ► George Lucas showed us a land speeder in 1977.

00:38:18 ◼   ► Why can't BMW make one?

00:38:21 ◼   ► Do you know what they do?

00:38:22 ◼   ► They work on things like making the doors nicer.

00:38:26 ◼   ► That's right.

00:38:26 ◼   ► It's funny how if you get into somebody who's driving a later model premium car, like a '97 BMW, still a nice car, but you get into it and you know what? It's roughly on par with a mid-range Honda Civic today.

00:38:44 ◼   ► You know, what would have happened in 2007 if Apple brought out the first iPhone and

00:38:51 ◼   ► it was exactly the 5S with the iOS 7?

00:38:55 ◼   ► People probably would have lynched jobs for being a witch.

00:38:57 ◼   ► You know?

00:38:58 ◼   ► Right.

00:38:59 ◼   ► You know?

00:39:00 ◼   ► Right.

00:39:01 ◼   ► What do you need this airdrop thing for?

00:39:03 ◼   ► What is that kind of witchcraft that you're talking about there, Steve?

00:39:07 ◼   ► You know, and that's why it's incremental, because as the technology unfolds, we realize

00:39:14 ◼   ► that there are things that we need to do and there are things that we want to do there are different

00:39:19 ◼   ► types of media and files and information that we want to share okay well here's the thing called

00:39:27 ◼   ► airdrop it took seven years but we didn't know that we wanted that in 2007 we didn't even know

00:39:33 ◼   ► we wanted the iphone in 2007 yeah it's true that's another one where it's a simple problem and it's

00:39:40 ◼   ► "Hey, you've got one of these devices.

00:39:42 ◼   ► "I've got one of these devices,

00:39:43 ◼   ► "and we can see each other.

00:39:45 ◼   ► "We're right here in a room together.

00:39:46 ◼   ► "Shouldn't I be able to just send you a link or a picture?"

00:39:51 ◼   ► - And what did we do before that?

00:39:53 ◼   ► Well, text it to me or email it to me or, you know,

00:39:56 ◼   ► no, just airdrop it.

00:39:58 ◼   ► Just do it, it's done.

00:39:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I did it.

00:40:01 ◼   ► I used it last week.

00:40:02 ◼   ► Last week after going out to California

00:40:04 ◼   ► for the Apple shindig, instead of flying straight home,

00:40:07 ◼   ► I went to Denver, where my Q branch colleagues were.

00:40:11 ◼   ► That's where we ended up recording the talk show.

00:40:13 ◼   ► But Dave Whiskus lives there, and Brent Simmons

00:40:16 ◼   ► was in town for the i360 Mac conference.

00:40:22 ◼   ► And so it was a convenient way for the three of us to meet face to face

00:40:25 ◼   ► and do some Vesper work.

00:40:27 ◼   ► But we used AirDrop.

00:40:28 ◼   ► It was great.

00:40:29 ◼   ► Here, I have a picture.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Let me show you this here.

00:40:31 ◼   ► And AirDrop, there it is.

00:40:35 ◼   ► It was super convenient.

00:40:36 ◼   ► I often don't run into stuff like that when I'm at home because I am like a little like

00:40:40 ◼   ► a hermit up here.

00:40:42 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

00:40:46 ◼   ► But spending two days working like a regular person with colleagues in the same room, it's

00:40:51 ◼   ► fantastic.

00:40:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:53 ◼   ► It could not be easier.

00:40:55 ◼   ► Really great feature.

00:40:56 ◼   ► And it just solves a problem that's been staring us in the face the whole time.

00:41:01 ◼   ► And that's it.

00:41:03 ◼   ► The greatest features, I think, are the ones that solve a problem that you don't realize

00:41:10 ◼   ► there's a solution to.

00:41:12 ◼   ► You know, there's another thing that's a pain point.

00:41:16 ◼   ► Well, there is a solution.

00:41:17 ◼   ► Text that file to me, that's fine.

00:41:19 ◼   ► But there is a better solution.

00:41:21 ◼   ► And you know, we didn't even know that there was a solution needed that we didn't already

00:41:25 ◼   ► have.

00:41:26 ◼   ► But there it is.

00:41:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:28 ◼   ► You know, and those are the ones that you'll end up using.

00:41:31 ◼   ► And just to clarify, looking at Phil Schiller's bio on Apple, it says, "Since rejoining

00:41:39 ◼   ► Apple in 1997."

00:41:41 ◼   ► So he was there before.

00:41:43 ◼   ► I thought I better clarify just in case I was wrong.

00:41:46 ◼   ► Yeah, you probably had the scoop at Mac Central in 1995 or whenever it was when he left to

00:41:54 ◼   ► go to Macromedia.

00:41:55 ◼   ► That's probably what you're remembering.

00:41:56 ◼   ► You're probably the one who broke the news.

00:41:58 ◼   ► Man, that was a long time ago.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Jeez.

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00:44:43 ◼   ► So I think that there's a pretty clear consensus

00:44:51 ◼   ► that the 5S is a great upgrade.

00:44:56 ◼   ► 5C is a great phone.

00:45:00 ◼   ► Clearly spec wise it's the same as the 5.

00:45:03 ◼   ► If you have an iPhone 5,

00:45:04 ◼   ► you're not gonna upgrade to the 5C.

00:45:06 ◼   ► I mean, that's, you know, you're just--

00:45:08 ◼   ► - Except for the color, a lot of people will do that.

00:45:10 ◼   ► - I don't think anybody who already has a 5 would, though.

00:45:13 ◼   ► I mean, somebody might.

00:45:15 ◼   ► I mean, I wouldn't say nobody,

00:45:16 ◼   ► but you know, it's hard to recommend.

00:45:18 ◼   ► The 5S is the, if you already have a 5,

00:45:22 ◼   ► is the 5S a worthy upgrade?

00:45:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

00:45:25 ◼   ► - You're, you know, if you're willing to pay that,

00:45:29 ◼   ► the price that, you know,

00:45:30 ◼   ► 'cause everybody already has a 5, bought it a year ago.

00:45:33 ◼   ► If you're willing to pay the price,

00:45:35 ◼   ► I think it's worth it.

00:45:36 ◼   ► I mean, I think it's probably worth it for the camera alone.

00:45:39 ◼   ► But I'm a dummy.

00:45:42 ◼   ► I've bought my own new iPhone every single year.

00:45:45 ◼   ► And I've never regretted it though,

00:45:47 ◼   ► so maybe I'm not that dumb.

00:45:48 ◼   ► I don't know, it feels like money well spent to me.

00:45:49 ◼   ► But it totally feels like a solid upgrade to me.

00:45:53 ◼   ► - Now, the camera is one of the last things

00:45:56 ◼   ► that I looked at.

00:45:57 ◼   ► I see you walking around even at the event last week

00:46:01 ◼   ► and you've got the nice DSLR

00:46:03 ◼   ► and you've got a nice camera.

00:46:05 ◼   ► I don't because I totally suck at photography.

00:46:10 ◼   ► I'm just terrible.

00:46:12 ◼   ► And if my iPhone doesn't take a good picture,

00:46:16 ◼   ► then I just don't have good pictures.

00:46:18 ◼   ► So I need the iPhone camera to be good.

00:46:22 ◼   ► I do like to film videos and I filmed some videos

00:46:27 ◼   ► for the review of the slow-mo feature

00:46:29 ◼   ► and put them in there of my dogs playing Frisbee.

00:46:35 ◼   ► And the videos were always, you know,

00:46:36 ◼   ► they're always very cool because one of my border callers,

00:46:40 ◼   ► Harold, he just, he loves to jump as high as he can

00:46:43 ◼   ► for the Frisbee.

00:46:44 ◼   ► And so it was great, I went out, you know,

00:46:47 ◼   ► you throw the Frisbee and he jumps like five feet in the air,

00:46:50 ◼   ► catches this thing, and I slow-mowed that section of it.

00:46:54 ◼   ► It was brilliant, I loved it.

00:46:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a really clever, you know,

00:46:58 ◼   ► and like, it is an intersection of hardware and software.

00:47:02 ◼   ► I mean, obviously the hardware, the camera itself, hardware, has to be capable of shooting

00:47:07 ◼   ► 120 frames per second, which not a lot of, very few, cell phone-sized cameras can.

00:47:14 ◼   ► But it's more than that, though.

00:47:16 ◼   ► It's the software where it's so easy to pick the points where you want it in slow

00:47:22 ◼   ► mo.

00:47:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:24 ◼   ► Easy enough to make the whole clip slow mo.

00:47:27 ◼   ► Easy enough to say, you know, forget about the slow mo.

00:47:29 ◼   ► I don't want any of it slow mo.

00:47:30 ◼   ► I just want the video at regular speed.

00:47:32 ◼   ► I forget the slow-mo.

00:47:34 ◼   ► Whatever you want, it is so easy to specify.

00:47:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's in and out points.

00:47:39 ◼   ► - And it seems so obvious once you've seen it,

00:47:43 ◼   ► and I'm sure by next year when lots of phones have this,

00:47:47 ◼   ► that all sorts of Android phones

00:47:49 ◼   ► are gonna have the exact same interface.

00:47:52 ◼   ► But that sort of interface that seems so obvious

00:47:54 ◼   ► once you've seen it, it's not obvious.

00:47:56 ◼   ► - No.

00:47:57 ◼   ► And no, it's not.

00:47:58 ◼   ► I mean, thinking about it going in and saying,

00:48:01 ◼   ► okay, slow-mo video, do I export that

00:48:04 ◼   ► or does it pick the part automatically

00:48:07 ◼   ► or what happens here?

00:48:08 ◼   ► And the thing is, I did three separate videos

00:48:13 ◼   ► and I pick the in and out points

00:48:17 ◼   ► and then you export the video and share it.

00:48:21 ◼   ► That's, I emailed it to myself,

00:48:24 ◼   ► but then you can go back in and pick new in and out points.

00:48:28 ◼   ► the video is still there, the ability to do slow-mo

00:48:31 ◼   ► is still there, the ability to change it up.

00:48:34 ◼   ► So you can do whatever you want as long as you have

00:48:36 ◼   ► the video on your iPhone.

00:48:39 ◼   ► And then re-export it and mail it to yourself again.

00:48:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, so the way it works behind the scenes

00:48:46 ◼   ► is when you shoot a slow-mo clip, it shoots the whole thing

00:48:48 ◼   ► at 120 frames per second, so it's four times

00:48:51 ◼   ► the number of frames that a regular 30 frames per second

00:48:54 ◼   ► video is, but then you set these in and out points

00:48:56 ◼   ► and they're just saved as metadata on a file,

00:48:58 ◼   ► and then when you export it, it'll

00:49:00 ◼   ► export a version that does 30 frames per second

00:49:03 ◼   ► at the real speed and just goes--

00:49:07 ◼   ► it couldn't be better.

00:49:08 ◼   ► I think it's a lot like the way the filters work

00:49:11 ◼   ► on the still pictures, where it doesn't really save them.

00:49:13 ◼   ► It saves the filter as metadata, and it only really

00:49:17 ◼   ► does the application of it at full resolution

00:49:19 ◼   ► when you export.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Right.

00:49:23 ◼   ► Something else to note about slow-mo.

00:49:25 ◼   ► on the third video that I posted,

00:49:27 ◼   ► you can actually hear the audio being slowed down as well.

00:49:31 ◼   ► And the dog was really kind of close to me

00:49:34 ◼   ► when he jumped and caught the Frisbee.

00:49:38 ◼   ► You can hear his teeth

00:49:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:40 ◼   ► grasp onto the Frisbee in slow-mo.

00:49:43 ◼   ► It's like, oh, crunch.

00:49:47 ◼   ► It's great.

00:49:49 ◼   ► It's great.

00:49:50 ◼   ► I loved it.

00:49:53 ◼   ► One of the things that struck me, especially with these new camera features on the 5S,

00:49:58 ◼   ► the burst mode and the slow-mo, is, and you know, I think that the last year, or I guess

00:50:06 ◼   ► it wasn't last year, it was the introduction of iOS 7, but that was back at WWDC when they

00:50:11 ◼   ► added the built-in Instagram-style filters, is how clearly Apple is designing this for

00:50:18 ◼   ► the idea that your photos are never really going to leave your iPhone.

00:50:22 ◼   ► You might sync them to iPhoto on a Mac or something, or Lightroom or Aputure or something.

00:50:28 ◼   ► You could, you can if you want, but you no longer are expected to.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Your phone is the one-stop place for the entire photo experience.

00:50:38 ◼   ► Because I think back, like I used to shoot film.

00:50:41 ◼   ► I got into photography in the late 90s and shot film, and in my first Canon SLR I shot

00:50:47 ◼   ► on film and the first couple of years after my son was born, all the pictures I shot on film.

00:50:53 ◼   ► And what do you do with film? Well, you take it and get developed and you get prints. And then,

00:50:57 ◼   ► you know, we would take the prints and, you know, throw out anything that turned out bad and take

00:51:01 ◼   ► the good ones and put them in a photo album and there you go. That's what you do. What did you

00:51:06 ◼   ► do with digital photos, right? That was a big question when we first went to digital. And before

00:51:12 ◼   ► iPhoto existed, what we'd do is we'd hook up the digital camera to your computer and you'd dump all

00:51:17 ◼   ► the files into a folder in the finder and you'd have all these pictures and you'd

00:51:23 ◼   ► like open them up in something and look at them and maybe throw out. But then you just

00:51:27 ◼   ► wound up ending up with a thousand photos and they all have like these names like IMG_5689.jpg,

00:51:39 ◼   ► right? In all caps, of course. Right? And there was. It was a serious question. And

00:51:47 ◼   ► When Apple first came out with iPhoto, that was how Steve Jobs pitched it.

00:51:51 ◼   ► It's like, "Look, that's nonsense here.

00:51:53 ◼   ► We'll help you organize your photos."

00:51:59 ◼   ► And iPhoto is a great app, and it certainly made that better, but it wasn't good enough.

00:52:04 ◼   ► I feel like the true solution of what do we do with digital photos is the iPhone.

00:52:15 ◼   ► It's keeping them on the device and then finding the ones you really want to share and sharing

00:52:19 ◼   ► them to Instagram or to Flickr or to email or a text message or whatever right there.

00:52:28 ◼   ► There is no sync process.

00:52:29 ◼   ► There is no move it to a real computer and then do something.

00:52:33 ◼   ► The iPhone is the real computer and you can get rid of the red eye right there and you

00:52:38 ◼   ► can adjust the color balance, put some kind of filter on to give it a warmer look or a

00:52:43 ◼   ► or a black and white look, right there.

00:52:45 ◼   ► - Do you think that's for everybody though?

00:52:47 ◼   ► - I do, I think it's way more for everybody

00:52:50 ◼   ► than sinking by a USCB cable,

00:52:55 ◼   ► connecting it to something even like iPhoto,

00:52:57 ◼   ► and then doing those things.

00:53:00 ◼   ► Because for the most part, I think you want to do something

00:53:03 ◼   ► like post it to Flickr or send it to a friend

00:53:07 ◼   ► or a family member or something

00:53:09 ◼   ► right after you took the photo.

00:53:10 ◼   ► - Oh, that's true.

00:53:11 ◼   ► I feel like you go on vacation and it's so much more fun

00:53:16 ◼   ► to take a picture of you in front of some kind of landmark

00:53:20 ◼   ► and then send it right after you took the picture

00:53:23 ◼   ► than to do it eight days later when you get home.

00:53:25 ◼   ► - No, that part is true.

00:53:26 ◼   ► What about the people that, like Monique,

00:53:30 ◼   ► she may post on Facebook or post a picture or something,

00:53:34 ◼   ► but then she likes to get home and organize her pictures,

00:53:37 ◼   ► vacation, this is where we went and look at them

00:53:39 ◼   ► it's a nice big screen make make a book or what you do is no heart you know you're

00:53:44 ◼   ► no if that's what you like to do it's you're no worse for the where right now

00:53:47 ◼   ► it's no skin off your back you can still do that this is like a new convenience

00:53:51 ◼   ► added on top but the thing that really also made me think about today was David

00:53:55 ◼   ► pogues review of iOS 7 I think mentioned that when you set a filter in in iOS

00:54:02 ◼   ► like you take a picture and then you use one of Apple's built-in 8 filters and

00:54:07 ◼   ► And then you sync your phone to your computer and suck it into iPhoto or whatever.

00:54:12 ◼   ► You don't get that filter.

00:54:13 ◼   ► You just get the photo you shot.

00:54:14 ◼   ► The filter is just like metadata that's on the iPhone and it only really gets applied

00:54:19 ◼   ► when you do it from the iPhone.

00:54:21 ◼   ► It makes sense to me and that doesn't even surprise me, but it did surprise Pogue.

00:54:27 ◼   ► So maybe, you know, I saw the link that you posted on that, maybe it was yesterday.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Maybe that is the way that they're heading.

00:54:36 ◼   ► they're just easing into it. They don't freak people out or something.

00:54:41 ◼   ► JS And the big one for me, and I wrote about it in my review, but the burst mode

00:54:46 ◼   ► is just so eye-opening. And like you said, I have an SLR. I have a really nice Canon 5D. I have some

00:54:52 ◼   ► really nice lenses for it. I'm not a professional photographer. I'm not even a prosumer. I'm maybe

00:54:58 ◼   ► like an avid amateur. But I do like shooting in, call it burst mode, call it continuous mode,

00:55:05 ◼   ► especially shooting kids, but just hold the button down and shoot as fast as the camera

00:55:11 ◼   ► will go for a second or two. And it just increases the odds that on one of those ones you get,

00:55:19 ◼   ► your subjects are in focus, their eyes are open, and the light looks good on them. But

00:55:24 ◼   ► then what do you do with the rest if you just shot 12 photos? And then it's like delete,

00:55:28 ◼   ► delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. No, wait, no, wait. Was this the one that was

00:55:31 ◼   ► was good or not. The Burst Mode software interface on the iPhone is, again, in hindsight, it's

00:55:40 ◼   ► like, well, of course this is how it works. But I've never seen a camera that worked like

00:55:44 ◼   ► that before, you know, where you go open up the Burst when you're ready and you just click

00:55:50 ◼   ► a button that says Favorites, and then it shows you all of the photos in the Burst in

00:55:54 ◼   ► a timeline, and it automatically makes like a guess as to which one is the best using

00:55:59 ◼   ► like the facial recognition and stuff. I haven't used it. I mean, a week isn't long enough

00:56:04 ◼   ► to really test how good their guesses is, so I just didn't comment on it. But, you know,

00:56:09 ◼   ► it might do pretty well. It seems like the facial recognition for focus has always worked

00:56:12 ◼   ► pretty well on the iPhone. You pick one, you pick two, you could pick none, but you pick

00:56:19 ◼   ► however many you want. Those that you pick get saved as their own items in the photo

00:56:24 ◼   ► roll and then you can delete that whole burst stack in one action. It is so great and it's

00:56:31 ◼   ► so much quicker than, like the old way, like with my Canon, which is like a $2,000 camera,

00:56:39 ◼   ► I think maybe like a $2,500 camera. If I shoot a burst of 20 photos, it's easier for me to

00:56:48 ◼   ► my selects, pick the one or two keepers and throw out the other 18, once I sync to Lightroom

00:56:56 ◼   ► on my computer and do it on my computer. It's a total pain in the ass to do it on the camera.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Just I just don't even bother. I don't even bother trying because it's like delete, confirm,

00:57:05 ◼   ► delete, confirm. Forget it. You know what I mean? Whereas the iPhone now, the iPhone

00:57:11 ◼   ► 5S has now made it where it's easier to do your picks, keep your selects, and get rid

00:57:19 ◼   ► of the other ones. It's way easier on the phone than it would be to do it in iPhoto

00:57:24 ◼   ► or Aperture or Lightroom.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Darrell Bock Yeah.

00:57:26 ◼   ► John "Slick" Baum: Like, they've totally inverted the model of where it's easier,

00:57:31 ◼   ► you know, where your first pass triage of your photos is easier done. Couldn't be

00:57:37 ◼   ► happier with it.

00:57:38 ◼   ► just what you want. And again, another pain point.

00:57:41 ◼   ► Right. And so, you know, in terms of people who are upgrading and have to pay the full price

00:57:45 ◼   ► because they're still on contract because they have an iPhone 5, to me, a good point-and-shoot

00:57:50 ◼   ► camera is still worth, you know, two, three, four hundred dollars. You know, that to me factors into

00:57:58 ◼   ► the price of upgrading to the 5S is that it's, you know, it is a great point-and-shoot camera.

00:58:03 ◼   ► Well, and that's what people like me need. I mean, you know, you can tell me that it has,

00:58:10 ◼   ► you know, an f 2.5. I don't know what that means. I mean, you're just speaking gibberish to me.

00:58:17 ◼   ► As it should be.

00:58:19 ◼   ► I just, if I can take the camera and, you know, when Monique and I are going on vacation or

00:58:27 ◼   ► something and we look at what we have to pack do we need a camera no I'm gonna

00:58:33 ◼   ► use the iPhone you can bring camera if you want but I'm gonna use the iPhone

00:58:36 ◼   ► and that's all I use so it's important to me that it focuses properly and you

00:58:42 ◼   ► know using the the burst mode is gonna be great for me because I take such

00:58:49 ◼   ► shitty pictures yeah that using the burst mode and then to go in and have it

00:58:53 ◼   ► recommend, oh here's a good one.

00:58:56 ◼   ► This one has the right lighting and it's not blurred

00:59:01 ◼   ► and it's all, fine, okay iPhone 5, I'll take your advice

00:59:06 ◼   ► and I'll keep that one.

00:59:09 ◼   ► The rest of them, delete.

00:59:11 ◼   ► - The most surprising statistic I've seen in a while,

00:59:14 ◼   ► 'cause I thought it would be a big number

00:59:16 ◼   ► and it was way bigger than I thought,

00:59:17 ◼   ► was a week or two ago when I was writing about Nintendo

00:59:21 ◼   ► and how I think that their handheld market is

00:59:26 ◼   ► in serious danger due to the post-PC.

00:59:30 ◼   ► But Nintendo aside, as further example

00:59:33 ◼   ► of devices being disrupted, I wanted to look up

00:59:36 ◼   ► what's going on with the point-and-shoot camera industry.

00:59:38 ◼   ► And it was, I think it was 42%.

00:59:41 ◼   ► The Wall Street Journal reported a few weeks ago

00:59:44 ◼   ► that point-and-shoot camera sales were down 42%

00:59:49 ◼   ► in just 12 months this year, which is almost phenomenal bottoming out of the market.

00:59:58 ◼   ► All right? And I think that it's one of those things that it's not like, "Oh, well, the damage

01:00:04 ◼   ► was done between 2012 and 2013. Now to level out." No way. I think that when you see a trend line

01:00:10 ◼   ► like that, I think you're going to see it happening, you know, next year is going to be like another

01:00:15 ◼   ► 40, 50 percent that there's just less and less. Yes, the optics, the actual like physics of light

01:00:25 ◼   ► going through a lens and hitting a sensor are way better on a point and shoot camera that has,

01:00:32 ◼   ► you know, a big dedicated lens way bigger compared to the phone. But you can't beat the software and

01:00:39 ◼   ► you can't beat the connectivity and the apps and the social sharing that you get on the phone.

01:00:44 ◼   ► You know the camera that's with you is the best camera and isn't that the way that that a lot of this stuff is it's

01:00:49 ◼   ► making

01:00:51 ◼   ► The camera or whatever it is good enough

01:00:54 ◼   ► that

01:00:56 ◼   ► It's there. It's with you. You trust it. You're willing to use it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm that's that's exactly what it is

01:01:04 ◼   ► For me. Yeah, it's exact same way that we're we're PC laptop sales have dropped off with tablets

01:01:11 ◼   ► It's not because tablets are faster than Windows and Mac laptops or that they're more powerful

01:01:16 ◼   ► or that you can do more multitasking or that the screen is as big or that you can type as fast,

01:01:21 ◼   ► et cetera. It's that it's good enough and that it's so much easier and nicer, right?

01:01:28 ◼   ► That's how disruption works. You think you're safe because of your specs. And in the meantime,

01:01:33 ◼   ► the disruptor is eating you out from the bottom.

01:01:38 ◼   ► And the same thing happened, I mean, you talk about, you know, this statistic with cameras,

01:01:45 ◼   ► look at printers. When's the last time you printed anything? And it's not that it got disrupted and

01:01:51 ◼   ► replaced with something else, it just became obsolete.

01:01:53 ◼   ► I would buy a printer that could only print airline boarding passes.

01:01:57 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:01:57 ◼   ► (laughter)

01:01:59 ◼   ► I mean, we still have a printer, and it's on the network,

01:02:06 ◼   ► because my kids are both in university,

01:02:10 ◼   ► and they need to pass in papers.

01:02:13 ◼   ► And you know, why they don't just let them email

01:02:16 ◼   ► the papers in, I don't know, in this day and age,

01:02:19 ◼   ► but they have to print it off.

01:02:21 ◼   ► - My son is in fourth grade,

01:02:22 ◼   ► and is allowed to email his homework.

01:02:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, there you go.

01:02:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:02:26 ◼   ► This is university in Canada too.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Universities are slower to move.

01:02:32 ◼   ► They still take dogs sleds to school.

01:02:34 ◼   ► See, I would want to print maybe because I would want to make sure the font turned out alright.

01:02:39 ◼   ► And I don't trust them to have the font.

01:02:41 ◼   ► But that's me. I'm an idiot.

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01:05:50 ◼   ► - All right, here's a question.

01:05:53 ◼   ► Arno Sazna.

01:05:54 ◼   ► I don't think I, there's so many questions here,

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01:05:59 ◼   ► - There's a ton.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - Why is iOS 7 so much better on the iPhone than the iPad?

01:06:04 ◼   ► I like it on the iPad.

01:06:09 ◼   ► You know, there seems to be some mixed reaction on that.

01:06:11 ◼   ► I kind of expected last week that they were going to only release it this week for iPhone

01:06:16 ◼   ► and release it for the iPad next month when I think everybody expects there to be another

01:06:22 ◼   ► Apple event to unveil new iPads.

01:06:24 ◼   ► It just seems to me like iOS 7 is about a month behind on iPad.

01:06:30 ◼   ► wasn't ready at WWDC, the first beta was always two or three weeks behind, and it still feels

01:06:35 ◼   ► two or three weeks behind to me. That's not to say it's unusable, because I've been using

01:06:39 ◼   ► iOS 7 on my iPhone, my main iPhone, since July, and it's been fine. I've had a fine

01:06:45 ◼   ► summer using iOS 7 as my main OS.

01:06:48 ◼   ► Tom Bilyeu (01h00m 10s): Agreed. And I've been using it on my iPad since

01:06:51 ◼   ► about the same time, and I don't have any problems with it.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Yeah, but I do have heard from other people and I've seen some people on Twitter who are

01:07:00 ◼   ► seeing some real performance bottlenecks. David Barnard, a friend of the show, guy behind

01:07:07 ◼   ► all the app Cubby apps, was tweeting and took video of, he was changing the wallpaper on

01:07:12 ◼   ► his iPad mini after updating it to the iOS 7 GM. And it, or he was shooting a vine, you

01:07:18 ◼   ► know, and the vine only gives you six seconds. The vine wasn't long enough to show how long

01:07:23 ◼   ► it took for the wallpaper change to take place. So I mean obviously there's you know, but I I tried it myself

01:07:29 ◼   ► I changed the wallpaper and it didn't I didn't see that so it's not like well

01:07:33 ◼   ► Everybody's iPad mini takes seven or eight seconds to change the wallpaper. I mean, there's obviously something wrong on his I

01:07:40 ◼   ► Don't know. I just feel like there is a point that I do feel like it has been true that iOS

01:07:46 ◼   ► iPad iOS 7 has been a few weeks behind the iPhone version

01:07:50 ◼   ► But I don't know I it'll be interesting to see what happens today and tomorrow after people upgrade, you know

01:07:56 ◼   ► Whether there's an outcry from iPad users in particular

01:07:59 ◼   ► Versus iPhone users, but I'm with you my me personally with with my iPad mini running the iOS 7 GM

01:08:06 ◼   ► I like it better than I liked it running iOS 6. Yeah

01:08:09 ◼   ► Here's a good question is Jim jealous that Apple gave you a pink 5c

01:08:19 ◼   ► No, no, I'm not what color did you get I get green? Oh

01:08:23 ◼   ► Here's a question from a guy named Craig

01:08:27 ◼   ► Hockenberry who's that? That sounds like a weird name does a green iPhone get lost in a beard like snot. I

01:08:34 ◼   ► Can't answer that I don't I have neither a green iPhone nor a beard Wow, but luckily Jim is here Wow with Bob. I

01:08:47 ◼   ► I have to admit that I did have a green iPhone,

01:08:51 ◼   ► but on the first night, it got lost over here.

01:08:54 ◼   ► So I haven't actually seen it since.

01:08:56 ◼   ► - Can I tell you what one of my,

01:08:58 ◼   ► just to interrupt the questions,

01:09:00 ◼   ► you know what my favorite little feature of iOS 7 is?

01:09:05 ◼   ► It's the fact that there's no longer a limit

01:09:08 ◼   ► on your Safari tabs.

01:09:10 ◼   ► - Oh.

01:09:11 ◼   ► - Now, I, you know, it used to be eight,

01:09:15 ◼   ► And if you had eight and opened another link, like say--

01:09:19 ◼   ► like if you just were in Safari and I

01:09:21 ◼   ► saw that there was a little eight in the corner,

01:09:23 ◼   ► then I knew, hey, don't open a new tab till I close one.

01:09:25 ◼   ► But what would happen is I'd be in Mail, click a link,

01:09:28 ◼   ► and it would go to Safari.

01:09:30 ◼   ► And it would erase--

01:09:31 ◼   ► it would overwrite the oldest tab you had open.

01:09:33 ◼   ► But then I'd be like, well, what was that?

01:09:35 ◼   ► Maybe that was something important.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Now it just keeps opening and opening and opening them.

01:09:40 ◼   ► It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM.

01:09:43 ◼   ► You know the way that sometimes an old tab that you have open in Safari, you have to,

01:09:50 ◼   ► it'll have to reload it from the network before it'll actually show you the content.

01:09:55 ◼   ► It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM because, you know, there's, you know, actually

01:09:59 ◼   ► only still one gigabyte of RAM.

01:10:01 ◼   ► But it remembers the URL and it now remembers a screenshot of what it looked like.

01:10:07 ◼   ► So the tabs that have been erased from memory, when you're paging through your tabs, it still

01:10:12 ◼   ► looks like the tab so you can identify it visually.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:15 ◼   ► I have found this to be such a great feature and it's one of those things where I always

01:10:21 ◼   ► knew it was an annoyance that the ninth tab that you open in Safari would overwrite the

01:10:26 ◼   ► first but now that I can keep, you know, I can have 12, 13, 14 open, it's what a great

01:10:32 ◼   ► feature and I really like the interface for flipping through them too.

01:10:36 ◼   ► I think it's really great.

01:10:39 ◼   ► And when you tap on the one that you want,

01:10:43 ◼   ► it kind of flips out from the bottom.

01:10:45 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:10:46 ◼   ► - You know, so that's, there's a lot of these things

01:10:49 ◼   ► like that and like multitasking that I really like.

01:10:53 ◼   ► It kind of shows that even though Apple moved away

01:10:56 ◼   ► from the skeuomorphic design a lot,

01:10:59 ◼   ► they still do care about the details.

01:11:01 ◼   ► - Oh, definitely.

01:11:02 ◼   ► - I know, so.

01:11:03 ◼   ► - You know, that's a good question for you.

01:11:05 ◼   ► You had concerns when the rumors were first coming out

01:11:08 ◼   ► the move away from skeuomorphism. You wrote a really good piece on the loop about how,

01:11:16 ◼   ► hey, you know, you're a little worried about this if it's true. You don't want to prejudge it. You're

01:11:19 ◼   ► going to wait and see what they show you. But you like the skeuomorphism. You like the attention to

01:11:24 ◼   ► detail. I do. What do you think about iOS 7 in that regard? I guess that's the thing. There are

01:11:34 ◼   ► are so many details that they looked at. I really do like some of the the

01:11:40 ◼   ► schemomorphic elements that Apple had in its OS, you know, like the the shredder

01:11:44 ◼   ► in Passbook, you know, stuff like that. It was cool. There's no way

01:11:50 ◼   ► around it. But they've replaced that with, I think, more dynamics. You know, I

01:11:58 ◼   ► know the people are against the the icons flying in from like behind the or

01:12:03 ◼   ► in front of the screen and I kind of like it.

01:12:06 ◼   ► I love it.

01:12:07 ◼   ► You know, it gives the phone a feeling of interaction without you really having to do

01:12:14 ◼   ► anything.

01:12:15 ◼   ► You press the button and watch it go, you know?

01:12:17 ◼   ► And I wouldn't want to get rid of that.

01:12:19 ◼   ► Right.

01:12:20 ◼   ► I think one of the best ways to put it is maybe it's like they've exchanged one style

01:12:25 ◼   ► of flourishes for a different style of flourishes.

01:12:30 ◼   ► It's not, though, that they've gone plain, right?

01:12:34 ◼   ► And again, I like Windows Phone.

01:12:37 ◼   ► If I had to use some phone other than an iPhone, I would definitely, no doubt in my mind, choose

01:12:45 ◼   ► probably a Nokia Windows Phone over any Android phone.

01:12:48 ◼   ► I really do like it better.

01:12:50 ◼   ► But I think Windows Phone's flat look, if you will, if you want to use the F word, and

01:12:56 ◼   ► we all know how much we all love the F word.

01:12:59 ◼   ► I think their look is plain and truly flat in a way that Apple's is not because Apple,

01:13:08 ◼   ► you know, I can't emphasize enough until you use iOS 7 and I think by the time the show

01:13:12 ◼   ► airs a lot of, you know, there's an awful lot of people who are going to be like one

01:13:16 ◼   ► or two days into iOS 7.

01:13:18 ◼   ► It isn't flat.

01:13:20 ◼   ► It's like the buttons are flat maybe but the actual interaction from the home screen to

01:13:28 ◼   ► app to Notification Center is very three-dimensional. It's layered. And I think it's—and I think that

01:13:35 ◼   ► the transitions, the animations between those layers are just great. And I think it really

01:13:40 ◼   ► shows that they still sweat the details just like they used to when they were making the felt in

01:13:45 ◼   ► Game Center really look as much like felt as they could. It's just a different way.

01:13:50 ◼   ► Yeah, that is a great way to put it. So, you know, do I miss the felt? No, I don't. It's that kind of

01:14:02 ◼   ► interactivity of things like, I like the familiarity of if I'm gonna shred something, I like to see a

01:14:10 ◼   ► shredder. It might be stupid, I know, but I like to see a shredder. I like the shredder too. But,

01:14:16 ◼   ► But they focus on different things now.

01:14:20 ◼   ► And you know what?

01:14:21 ◼   ► If you have the 5S, I'm looking at it right now.

01:14:25 ◼   ► And if you tilt the screen, the background will move.

01:14:30 ◼   ► And all that takes power in the phone

01:14:35 ◼   ► in order to get that done.

01:14:36 ◼   ► So I'm happier than what I thought I would have been.

01:14:42 ◼   ► All right, good enough.

01:14:43 ◼   ► All right, here's a good question.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Totally serious.

01:14:45 ◼   ► This one's from Justin Hicks.

01:14:47 ◼   ► Did the two of you believe Apple has much bigger plans

01:14:50 ◼   ► for the fingerprint scanning technology?

01:14:52 ◼   ► - That's a tough one because right now,

01:15:00 ◼   ► Apple has to be wary of all the security experts out there

01:15:05 ◼   ► and the fact that it's very safe.

01:15:08 ◼   ► But I would think that the fingerprint

01:15:13 ◼   ► would be a great thing to do.

01:15:14 ◼   ► I mean, you can purchase with it.

01:15:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so I think, yes,

01:15:19 ◼   ► I think they definitely have bigger plans.

01:15:20 ◼   ► Now, I think like a lot of stuff with Apple,

01:15:23 ◼   ► don't get too caught up on like the next, say,

01:15:28 ◼   ► one, two, three, four months.

01:15:30 ◼   ► You know, take a bigger view.

01:15:31 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe a lot of it won't come out for a year

01:15:34 ◼   ► until iOS 8, but I definitely think

01:15:36 ◼   ► that they have bigger plans for it.

01:15:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:15:39 ◼   ► - So one thing that was missing, it was announced at WWDC

01:15:42 ◼   ► and it was in all of the seeds over summer of iOS 7 was iCloud keychain.

01:15:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:47 ◼   ► Which I thought was working pretty well for me, is not in iOS 7.0 or that just released

01:15:54 ◼   ► a few hours ago 7.0.1 and they didn't mention it last week.

01:15:58 ◼   ► I heard and I saw a couple other people heard, you know, that it doesn't even seem to be

01:16:03 ◼   ► a secret that it's probably going to come out with Mavericks when Mac OS X Mavericks,

01:16:10 ◼   ► the 10.9 ships in a couple of weeks probably,

01:16:14 ◼   ► and that it'll come back to iOS 7 then.

01:16:17 ◼   ► So it's not that they've abandoned it,

01:16:20 ◼   ► it just wasn't quite ready right now.

01:16:23 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, in actual fact, that's what you need,

01:16:26 ◼   ► if you need Mavericks in order to really share

01:16:28 ◼   ► a lot of this stuff with, so.

01:16:29 ◼   ► - Not true, though, because what if you don't even

01:16:32 ◼   ► have a Mac, what if you just have an iPad and an iPhone?

01:16:35 ◼   ► iCloud Keychain is useful to you right now, today.

01:16:39 ◼   ► So I don't think you need Mavericks, but apparently that's how they're going to – how and when

01:16:44 ◼   ► they're going to demo it.

01:16:45 ◼   ► But anyway, I can't help but think that at some point in the future, iCloud Keychain

01:16:50 ◼   ► combined with Touch ID would be great, right?

01:16:57 ◼   ► OnePassword is a great program, and I hope they have a long future ahead of them.

01:17:01 ◼   ► But built into the OS, wouldn't that be great if like when you need to fill in a password

01:17:06 ◼   ► in a website that you could just do it with your thumb and then the password comes in?

01:17:10 ◼   ► Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:12 ◼   ► I mean, obviously, you know, I'm glad I don't have to be the guy designing the security behind all

01:17:16 ◼   ► that because I used to be pretty good at math like in high school, but I'll tell you what,

01:17:22 ◼   ► I wasn't that good at math. I mean, that's serious, and that's serious pressure too,

01:17:26 ◼   ► because you got to get that right. But, you know, Apple has smart people who can do it,

01:17:30 ◼   ► and I think that'd be a great feature. And, you know, the other big thing everybody is

01:17:34 ◼   ► is sort of speculating about using your phone for payments, you know, go into Starbucks and buy a

01:17:41 ◼   ► coffee and pay for it by putting your thumb on the scanner instead of, you know, like a barcode scan.

01:17:47 ◼   ► Well, and here's something else. Do you allow third party access to that?

01:17:52 ◼   ► I think so too, but that could be the sort of thing where I see it happening in, let's say,

01:17:58 ◼   ► iOS 8 instead of iOS 7. Right. You know, once that they've had a year to shake some stuff out,

01:18:03 ◼   ► but I think yes. I think bottom line, Justin Hicks, I think they have very big plans for

01:18:08 ◼   ► the fingerprint scanning. All right. How about Micah Clements? You find you're using the new

01:18:18 ◼   ► 5S camera features in daily use or are they more of a novelty like panorama?

01:18:23 ◼   ► I think burst mode is a daily use thing. I don't, I think for, unless your subjects are like

01:18:30 ◼   ► posing like in front of something and standing completely still, there's no reason not to

01:18:35 ◼   ► shoot a burst. If it's kids moving around or you're shooting like your kids playing

01:18:41 ◼   ► soccer or in your case, like if you were trying to get a still photo of your dog catching

01:18:46 ◼   ► a Frisbee, the burst mode to me is an everyday thing. I think that's why they made it. It's

01:18:52 ◼   ► not a mode. You just hold down the shutter button.

01:18:54 ◼   ► I think Burst Mode to me is a game changer. I know that that's a cliche, but I think it really is. I think it changes the way I'll take. I'll tell you what, it particularly changes, you know, I can't imagine using a third party camera app to shoot photos.

01:19:12 ◼   ► whether I'm going to Instagram it or use some other app to put the filter on. I already shot

01:19:18 ◼   ► most of my photos using the built-in system camera app, but now I'll do it for sure because it's the

01:19:23 ◼   ► only app with burst mode. Yep. Well, and clearly I like the slow-mo feature. I have instances where

01:19:32 ◼   ► that will definitely come in handy for me. You know what I would like to see, and I did point

01:19:38 ◼   ► this out. I would like to see better night shots and low light condition shots.

01:19:42 ◼   ► Yeah. I think that's where they're really running into the physics, you know, that,

01:19:47 ◼   ► yeah, you know, and you don't have to know what f stops are. You don't have to know the difference

01:19:51 ◼   ► between aperture and stuff. It's, you know, it's just simple physics. The bigger the distance

01:19:57 ◼   ► between the glass and the sensor, the more the bigger the glass can be and the more glass there

01:20:02 ◼   ► is, the more light comes in and the bigger the distance, the bigger the sensor itself can be

01:20:07 ◼   ► and a bigger sensor can get a better exposure in low light than a small sensor. Now, compare like

01:20:12 ◼   ► that big honking Canon SLR you saw me with last week to the iPhone 5S. And you see that there are

01:20:20 ◼   ► serious, just simple physical limitations. I mean, it's this tiny little lens and the sensor is only

01:20:27 ◼   ► what's less than a quarter of an inch away. It's amazing that it does as well as it does.

01:20:32 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised if they've got, you know, Apple in particular is working on

01:20:37 ◼   ► Truly revolutionary technology in that regard, but the iPhone 5s is not it is improved. It does take better low-light pictures

01:20:44 ◼   ► But it's true as of yet as of 2013

01:20:49 ◼   ► There is no breakthrough technology that lets you take the sort of low-light pictures

01:20:54 ◼   ► You could take with a SLR and a really fast lens

01:20:57 ◼   ► on something this size I

01:21:01 ◼   ► Hate physics

01:21:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I did I was in when I was in London a couple weeks ago. I went out for a walk

01:21:10 ◼   ► it was like midnight went out for a walk and ended up in Trafalgar Square and

01:21:14 ◼   ► Took a nice shot

01:21:18 ◼   ► posted it on Facebook and

01:21:20 ◼   ► When I get back to the hotel later, I looked at it and

01:21:24 ◼   ► It was just it was crap

01:21:27 ◼   ► You know it was all grainy and awful and see this is where me not being a photographer. I look at it and say

01:21:33 ◼   ► That's that's junk no, but I guess there's something called physics that has something to do with that

01:21:41 ◼   ► Here's a good question a lot of people have asked about this so

01:21:45 ◼   ► The big news with the 5c again, it's not an engineering difference. It's a marketing and branding change from prior years

01:22:00 ◼   ► But that alone, that's not to diminish it.

01:22:03 ◼   ► I love marketing and branding.

01:22:04 ◼   ► I think it's as important as an engineering upgrade like the 5S.

01:22:10 ◼   ► But they've clearly split the iPhone into a family of new products, right?

01:22:17 ◼   ► Like the way that MacBooks have the MacBook Airs and the MacBook Pros.

01:22:20 ◼   ► The way that desktops have iMacs and Mac Pros.

01:22:24 ◼   ► So now we have the 5C and the 5S.

01:22:28 ◼   ► Where do you think the names are going to go next year? Presumably, presumably the high-end

01:22:34 ◼   ► one is going to be an iPhone 6, but what, I'm really at a loss. I mean, Apple's naming

01:22:42 ◼   ► often confuses me. I honestly have no idea what to guess. Because I do, I think that

01:22:48 ◼   ► they're going to have, now that they've split it in two, they're going to have, I think

01:22:51 ◼   ► they're going to have two new ones every year.

01:22:53 ◼   ► Well, they pretty much have to.

01:22:55 ◼   ► Right. I think next year we'll see a new high-end phone that replaces the 5S.

01:23:01 ◼   ► Right.

01:23:01 ◼   ► I think we will see a new mid-range phone that replaces the 5C. And my guess is the 5C,

01:23:08 ◼   ► today's 5C, will move down to the free with contract range.

01:23:14 ◼   ► And then, you know—

01:23:15 ◼   ► But what will they call them? I really have no idea. I don't know how to guess.

01:23:19 ◼   ► Yeah. And, you know, they could end up in naming convention trouble every year from now on,

01:23:25 ◼   ► But you know they'll figure something out, but yeah, that's a good. I mean they can't just name it

01:23:30 ◼   ► Well, I suppose they could they could name it the the six and the six C

01:23:34 ◼   ► Or do they go the six C squared?

01:23:38 ◼   ► Here's here's my best guess, but I would not want to wager more than five bucks on it is that they would go to

01:23:46 ◼   ► iPhone 6

01:23:50 ◼   ► Just playing six no letter and that's the new high-end one and that the

01:23:55 ◼   ► the mid-range one stays plastic,

01:23:57 ◼   ► maybe they change up the colors,

01:23:59 ◼   ► and it would be called the iPhone 5CS.

01:24:02 ◼   ► They've gone two letters before, they had the 3GS.

01:24:06 ◼   ► So I don't think it would be unprecedented,

01:24:08 ◼   ► it would be the 5CS.

01:24:10 ◼   ► It would be like an iPhone 5C, but with the A7,

01:24:13 ◼   ► and maybe the better camera with the burst mode in slow-mo.

01:24:17 ◼   ► That's my best guess, but I really don't know.

01:24:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a good guess.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Very hard for me to guess though.

01:24:25 ◼   ► These names really confuse me.

01:24:27 ◼   ► It really almost, it almost makes me happy

01:24:30 ◼   ► that they've, with iPad, they just call 'em all iPad

01:24:33 ◼   ► and we just go, you know, we the writers

01:24:34 ◼   ► have to just go like fourth generation.

01:24:36 ◼   ► - Right. - Yeah.

01:24:37 ◼   ► - I just had one here.

01:24:43 ◼   ► Oh, how about performance?

01:24:47 ◼   ► Seems a little leggy on my current chin iPod touch.

01:24:51 ◼   ► I haven't spent a lot of time with iOS 7 on a… now the iPod Touch is 4S caliber, right?

01:25:03 ◼   ► It's an A5. In fact, I don't even think I installed it on my 4S. I think I kept my

01:25:10 ◼   ► 4S running iOS 6. I sort of need my old iPhones now for testing Vesper. Yeah, I've heard

01:25:21 ◼   ► that from other people and in fact a lot of I've heard a couple they even you can

01:25:24 ◼   ► get iPhone iOS 7 on the even on the iPhone 4 no s and I've heard it's really

01:25:29 ◼   ► pretty laggy there and that's that sucks for people who upgrade trusting Apple if

01:25:34 ◼   ► it's true I don't know though personally yeah I I don't know either I've only

01:25:39 ◼   ► installed it on a five five s and 5c and my iPad mini and yeah and my my iPad I

01:25:46 ◼   ► actually my iPad mini is the one that I left at iOS 6 but I'll update that

01:25:51 ◼   ► tonight but it wouldn't be the first time in fact it usually seems to be the

01:25:56 ◼   ► case that whatever the least supported iPhone is for a new version of iOS it's

01:26:00 ◼   ► a little laggy on it yeah yeah so I'd you know not sure what to say about that

01:26:05 ◼   ► that other than sorry if that's what you think let's see here's one from oh

01:26:15 ◼   ► that's a good one this one's from Amy Jane Gruber oh seriously what's the deal

01:26:24 ◼   ► with the ants? What's the deal with the ants in our shower?

01:26:36 ◼   ► I think Montero already answered that one.

01:26:39 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess that one's for me, not for you.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. We've got these little baby ants in our shower, and it doesn't seem

01:26:46 ◼   ► like, you know, I don't know, they seem like immune to pesticide. I'm not sure what the

01:26:50 ◼   ► deal is, though.

01:26:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, you can come up here and shower in Canada.

01:26:59 ◼   ► You know, you can live in an igloo for a while.

01:27:02 ◼   ► No ants.

01:27:03 ◼   ► Hey, what color iPhone 5s did you get?

01:27:06 ◼   ► Gold.

01:27:07 ◼   ► Yeah, so did I. I wonder if everybody...

01:27:09 ◼   ► No, because Anand got black.

01:27:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I noticed that.

01:27:13 ◼   ► What's your take on the gold?

01:27:14 ◼   ► I love the gold.

01:27:16 ◼   ► I really do.

01:27:17 ◼   ► When I first, it was actually a post that you linked to when news of the champagne or

01:27:26 ◼   ► gold first came out, you rightly pointed to the fact that Apple had released gold products

01:27:32 ◼   ► before in an iPad mini, or sorry, iPod mini.

01:27:38 ◼   ► And it was ugly as hell.

01:27:39 ◼   ► Oh my God, that thing was ugly.

01:27:41 ◼   ► I remembered it when I clicked on your link

01:27:45 ◼   ► and I thought, I never wanted one of those.

01:27:47 ◼   ► And I was kind of, I was worried, but I thought,

01:27:52 ◼   ► I gotta give Apple some design credit.

01:27:55 ◼   ► And as soon as I saw it,

01:27:57 ◼   ► I thought that's the one I want, definitely.

01:28:01 ◼   ► So that's what I got.

01:28:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, the gold is, as I wrote,

01:28:06 ◼   ► the gold is not my gripe with it.

01:28:08 ◼   ► I kinda like the gold, it's the white.

01:28:09 ◼   ► I just don't like the white face around any of my iOS devices.

01:28:12 ◼   ► I just like it when it's off to just look like a slab of black.

01:28:16 ◼   ► I wish-- I almost wish that they had four phones, black with space

01:28:21 ◼   ► gray, white with silver, white with gold, and black with the gold.

01:28:25 ◼   ► I think the black with the gold could be a cool look.

01:28:29 ◼   ► You know?

01:28:30 ◼   ► I guess in your parlance, it would be like a Boston Bruins look.

01:28:35 ◼   ► Oh.

01:28:36 ◼   ► Right?

01:28:37 ◼   ► Oh, boy.

01:28:38 ◼   ► That would be--

01:28:38 ◼   ► I need a Boston--

01:28:39 ◼   ► Well, I was going to say Pittsburgh Steelers,

01:28:41 ◼   ► but I was trying to put it in terms that you would understand.

01:28:45 ◼   ► I told Apple I wanted a purple phone.

01:28:47 ◼   ► I want a loop phone.

01:28:49 ◼   ► No, no purple phone.

01:28:50 ◼   ► No, no purple.

01:28:52 ◼   ► What the hell?

01:28:52 ◼   ► Well, but there's-- you know what?

01:28:53 ◼   ► There's clearly, though, once they've-- now

01:28:55 ◼   ► that they've gone plastic with the mid-range,

01:28:57 ◼   ► I think that they're--

01:28:58 ◼   ► whether they'll change the palette every year or not,

01:29:01 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:29:02 ◼   ► But there's almost an infinite range of colors

01:29:04 ◼   ► that they could go to now easily.

01:29:06 ◼   ► True.

01:29:09 ◼   ► It's not a question from a reader, but I didn't really mention this. But I think looking at,

01:29:15 ◼   ► especially in the hands-on area last week where you could look at all five of the 5C

01:29:20 ◼   ► colors together, it's, they're so designed with the color palette of iOS 7 in mind. It's,

01:29:29 ◼   ► you know, I don't know. Like that's the one thing, I know people complain about the icons,

01:29:33 ◼   ► they complain about this and that when iOS 7 first came out, but there were a lot of

01:29:36 ◼   ► of color complaints about the color palette.

01:29:39 ◼   ► And I think as the months have gone on, everybody is sort of--

01:29:42 ◼   ► unless I'm missing something, everybody

01:29:43 ◼   ► has sort of shut up about that.

01:29:45 ◼   ► I feel like they were just-- they're

01:29:48 ◼   ► skating to where the puck was heading in terms

01:29:51 ◼   ► of what colors are in.

01:29:52 ◼   ► Right.

01:29:53 ◼   ► And I think that the hardware and the software

01:29:55 ◼   ► are so clearly from the same design movement.

01:30:00 ◼   ► It's almost unprecedented at Apple.

01:30:04 ◼   ► Maybe the last time that the hardware and software seemed so clearly designed together

01:30:08 ◼   ► was like the original iMacs, those candy translucent plastics combined with the original version

01:30:15 ◼   ► of Mac OS X with all the translucent.

01:30:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:30:21 ◼   ► I really like the way that the 5C feels.

01:30:26 ◼   ► It doesn't feel like plastic to me.

01:30:28 ◼   ► No.

01:30:29 ◼   ► It almost feels ceramic.

01:30:31 ◼   ► Or enamel.

01:30:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:30:33 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it.

01:30:34 ◼   ► You know, I had the same thought. I have a Lumia 800 from Nokia here, and I think that

01:30:40 ◼   ► they're still making theirs out of the same polycarbonate. Now, they've gone a different

01:30:44 ◼   ► route with their plastic. Theirs has more of a...it's not polished and shiny, it's more

01:30:50 ◼   ► of a matte finish. But it is, without question, the only phone I've held in years that rivals

01:30:59 ◼   ► an iPhone for build quality. And that's a good, you know, the matte is a, you know,

01:31:03 ◼   ► but it's real, just like the 5C, it feels rigid and not like plastic. It feels like

01:31:10 ◼   ► something, I don't know, the word plastic has this cheap connotation that the iPhone

01:31:15 ◼   ► 5C doesn't feel like and that the Lumias do not feel like. Even though the iPhones

01:31:21 ◼   ► are very, very glossy, almost super glossy, and the Lumias are the opposite of glossy.

01:31:26 ◼   ► They're matte.

01:31:27 ◼   ► It's two different ways to go but with modern materials.

01:31:30 ◼   ► Whereas I think the old 3G/3GS kind of did feel plasticy in a cheap way.

01:31:36 ◼   ► Yeah, somebody – I wasn't sure if I like the feel of the 5C better than the old ones

01:31:46 ◼   ► or if I was – somebody asked me this yesterday and I said yes, that it felt more sturdy.

01:31:52 ◼   ► But then I responded back again and said, "They're two different shapes."

01:31:57 ◼   ► And when you're – am I convincing myself that the 5C is more sturdy or is it actually

01:32:02 ◼   ► a sturdier phone?

01:32:04 ◼   ► I really do think it is sturdier.

01:32:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:07 ◼   ► And I guess it will be up to the take apart guys to determine it.

01:32:12 ◼   ► But Apple talked about the fact that it has this rigid steel frame inside, which I don't

01:32:16 ◼   ► think that the 3GS had.

01:32:18 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:32:19 ◼   ► No.

01:32:20 ◼   ► there's a steel frame inside here that really does add a rigidity to the whole thing that

01:32:27 ◼   ► you didn't have in the 3G/3GS.

01:32:31 ◼   ► You remember I told you that when I went back to the home screen on my 5S that the icons

01:32:40 ◼   ► jumped?

01:32:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:43 ◼   ► And I didn't put that in my review because I found out what it was.

01:32:48 ◼   ► Oh, what was it?

01:32:49 ◼   ► the background. So to test it, I opened up a folder. So there's no icons really to

01:32:58 ◼   ► jump. Opened up a folder and the background moved. So whether it's the way I'm holding

01:33:03 ◼   ► the phone or maybe I tilt the phone down when I do it. So the background moves and it looked

01:33:11 ◼   ► like the icons were moving. So it looked like a little video glitch or something when you

01:33:17 ◼   ► you went back to the thing,

01:33:20 ◼   ► when you went back to the home screen.

01:33:22 ◼   ► So, yeah.

01:33:23 ◼   ► - Hey, did you try the motion, what do they call them?

01:33:27 ◼   ► The moving wallpapers?

01:33:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:33:29 ◼   ► - Are you using one?

01:33:33 ◼   ► - I was using one up until last night.

01:33:36 ◼   ► I had the little, you know, the little bubbles.

01:33:40 ◼   ► And then I put a planet on there instead.

01:33:43 ◼   ► - I found it a little distracting.

01:33:45 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:33:46 ◼   ► - I did use it for a day though,

01:33:47 ◼   ► it didn't seem to have any adverse effect on battery life.

01:33:50 ◼   ► - It did not.

01:33:51 ◼   ► - I think that makes maybe even a lot of sense,

01:33:55 ◼   ► because who spends a lot of time

01:33:56 ◼   ► with their home screen open?

01:33:59 ◼   ► Right, it should only affect the battery life

01:34:01 ◼   ► while the home screen's open,

01:34:02 ◼   ► and who really has the display on the home screen

01:34:04 ◼   ► for more than a few seconds at a time?

01:34:07 ◼   ► - It's true. - It's nice.

01:34:09 ◼   ► - But we don't know what's going on

01:34:10 ◼   ► in the background either.

01:34:11 ◼   ► - Right. - Maybe it is

01:34:12 ◼   ► doing something.

01:34:12 ◼   ► - It's also interesting to me

01:34:14 ◼   ► that the default wallpapers are not,

01:34:16 ◼   ► They've added this feature now where we have motion wallpapers, but none of the default

01:34:20 ◼   ► wallpapers are moving.

01:34:23 ◼   ► That's a little interesting to me, because usually if you're going to add something like

01:34:26 ◼   ► that, you're going to use it by default.

01:34:28 ◼   ► I'm looking at it now.

01:34:31 ◼   ► I have the star system or whatever it is, and it's moving.

01:34:36 ◼   ► Yeah, well, I don't have the motion.

01:34:40 ◼   ► I mean, they look okay, but I don't like them.

01:34:45 ◼   ► I like the monochrome ones. I like the real – I feel like with the brighter and more

01:34:48 ◼   ► vibrant icons, having like a monochromatic background really makes the icons pop.

01:34:53 ◼   ► Tom Bilyeu: I'm going to try that. You don't like them, but you have ants in your shower

01:34:57 ◼   ► too.

01:34:58 ◼   ► John Greenewald Exactly. Here's Jeff Schwab on Twitter. He

01:35:00 ◼   ► says, "These ants never would have infiltrated the shower if Steve Jobs were still in charge.

01:35:06 ◼   ► Thanks Obama." Yeah, I guess he's right. It wouldn't have happened if Steve Jobs

01:35:11 ◼   ► were still around.

01:35:12 ◼   ► Let's see here.

01:35:16 ◼   ► Oh, here's, who built the A7 processor?

01:35:20 ◼   ► Ooh, good question. Anand thinks it's Samsung.

01:35:24 ◼   ► Even though we're all sort of, there's so much speculation that this is the year that Apple's finally broken away

01:35:28 ◼   ► from Samsung as their CPU maker. His best guess is Samsung.

01:35:32 ◼   ► And it'd be really tough for me to bet against Anand.

01:35:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I wouldn't bet against him. Because then he would call and ask me a question about a processor

01:35:40 ◼   ► something, I'd have to hang up on them.

01:35:41 ◼   ► So, my guess is I think it's Samsung because Anand says so, but I'm hoping it's that

01:35:46 ◼   ► TSMC because the hell with Samsung.

01:35:49 ◼   ► That would be very cool.

01:35:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:35:51 ◼   ► But we'll find out.

01:35:53 ◼   ► I guess we'll find out tomorrow night because those iFixit guys, they're – I love those

01:35:57 ◼   ► guys.

01:35:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:35:59 ◼   ► Because they fly.

01:36:00 ◼   ► They don't live there.

01:36:01 ◼   ► They fly.

01:36:02 ◼   ► They book tickets to go to Australia.

01:36:04 ◼   ► At least they have in past years.

01:36:06 ◼   ► I don't know if they're doing it this year, but the last few years, they book tickets

01:36:08 ◼   ► to go to Australia because that is where the international date line is. That's where

01:36:13 ◼   ► the iPhone first goes on sale, to get one first and start. They have it like taken apart

01:36:18 ◼   ► before 8 a.m. Eastern time in the U.S. even rolls around. So, hopefully we'll find out

01:36:25 ◼   ► some answers on that, probably within about 24 hours. But I don't know what to guess.

01:36:31 ◼   ► There's no, I have no information. I asked around a little bit and got zero answer. Apple

01:36:36 ◼   ► just does not talk about the suppliers.

01:36:39 ◼   ► Even if they know that iFixit's gonna take this thing apart

01:36:43 ◼   ► in 48 hours, they won't tell you off the record.

01:36:45 ◼   ► They just do not talk about it.

01:36:47 ◼   ► - Absolutely not.

01:36:48 ◼   ► - Right.

01:36:49 ◼   ► - There's actually a good follow-up here.

01:36:52 ◼   ► How does Touch ID work when you swipe over

01:36:54 ◼   ► a specific notification?

01:36:56 ◼   ► So when, in other words, you're on the home screen

01:37:01 ◼   ► and your phone is locked and there's one email out of 10

01:37:05 ◼   ► that you want to read, if you swipe on that email and you're and you put it'll bring up the,

01:37:13 ◼   ► you know, the pad, the passcode, the passcode, and then you just rest your thumb on the,

01:37:20 ◼   ► on the sensor and the fingerprint sensor and it'll open up directly into that message,

01:37:25 ◼   ► right? Swipe it first, like you ordinarily would. And then instead of entering the code,

01:37:29 ◼   ► you do the thing. Also, a nice touch on touch ID, if you by habit start entering your passcode

01:37:37 ◼   ► and then think, "Oh, wait. Why am I doing this?" You've entered like two out of the

01:37:40 ◼   ► four digits. Why am I doing this? You touch the home button, it still works. You don't

01:37:44 ◼   ► have – yeah. It just – and the animation fills in the dots on your code, which I think

01:37:50 ◼   ► is a nice touch.

01:37:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, so that was Daniel Middlecote that asked that one.

01:37:55 ◼   ► That's actually a good one.

01:38:00 ◼   ► I found that one out by mistake.

01:38:02 ◼   ► 'Cause I often do that.

01:38:03 ◼   ► You get a message and I wanna read it.

01:38:06 ◼   ► I'll go directly to that one.

01:38:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's actually very much the same as it was

01:38:09 ◼   ► when you used the passcode.

01:38:11 ◼   ► You just do the touch IT once you get

01:38:13 ◼   ► to the passcode screen.

01:38:15 ◼   ► Whereas if you just wanna open the iPhone,

01:38:17 ◼   ► you don't even have to get to the passcode screen.

01:38:19 ◼   ► You just turn the phone on and touch the sensor.

01:38:22 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:38:23 ◼   ► - Let's see.

01:38:25 ◼   ► - And in case anybody is wondering,

01:38:27 ◼   ► you can add multiple fingerprints to the iPhone.

01:38:31 ◼   ► - Yes, up to five.

01:38:32 ◼   ► And they don't have to, you know,

01:38:33 ◼   ► obviously they don't all have to be yours.

01:38:36 ◼   ► Like I wrote, you could do both your thumbs,

01:38:38 ◼   ► both index fingers, and let your spouse add one,

01:38:42 ◼   ► just for emergency purposes.

01:38:47 ◼   ► If you had a yellow iPhone 5C and a banana,

01:38:51 ◼   ► which would you put in your pants?

01:38:52 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:38:55 ◼   ► - I think it's easy.

01:38:56 ◼   ► I think you put one in the right pocket

01:38:58 ◼   ► and one in the left pocket.

01:38:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, it seems easy to me.

01:39:02 ◼   ► Thank you, Mike Hay.

01:39:03 ◼   ► - Great question from Thomas Richards.

01:39:06 ◼   ► Fingerprint scanner on iPad, yes or no?

01:39:09 ◼   ► I'm gonna say this year's iPad, yes or no?

01:39:12 ◼   ► That's a good question.

01:39:15 ◼   ► - I say yes.

01:39:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna say I hope so but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no you

01:39:24 ◼   ► know I and I wonder here's and here's why I say that is just because of that

01:39:28 ◼   ► mantra of our most forward-thinking iPhone yet you know and forward-thinking

01:39:34 ◼   ► forward-thinking they keep saying that which makes me wonder if how much that

01:39:38 ◼   ► some of this stuff isn't coming to other iOS devices until next year well I will

01:39:44 ◼   ► say this just just to be perfectly clear I know nothing about you know a fingerprint

01:39:50 ◼   ► thing on on the new iPad but I'll go yes because I think even though the iPhone is

01:39:58 ◼   ► the most forward-thinking product they've known about it for some time and I think that

01:40:03 ◼   ► they would have built that in.

01:40:06 ◼   ► Yeah and it could be too that it maybe it appears on the full-size iPad but not the

01:40:10 ◼   ► iPad mini or you know or some other way that they will tear the iPad similarly

01:40:16 ◼   ► where the lower price models don't have it but the higher priced ones do. Like I

01:40:20 ◼   ► can see that. Here's another thing I heard today this is scuttlebutt this is

01:40:24 ◼   ► not from like this is like secondhand but it does make sense is that the 64

01:40:30 ◼   ► bit and the ARM v8 that whole move on the a7 had to happen for touch ID that

01:40:40 ◼   ► Touch ID can only work with the ARMv8 and 64-bit. They couldn't do Touch ID until they

01:40:48 ◼   ► did that. And the explanation, I think, is because one of the performance advantages

01:40:54 ◼   ► of ARMv8 is that the instruction set now has cryptographic shortcuts, that some of the,

01:41:01 ◼   ► you know, common cryptographic algorithms are built into the CPU. So instead of actually

01:41:08 ◼   ► computing the math the traditional way. It's just a shortcut where if your code needs to

01:41:14 ◼   ► do AES 256-bit encryption, it's an instruction code right on the processor, and it just goes

01:41:22 ◼   ► through. And so that's one of those things that helps make Touch ID instantaneous, because

01:41:30 ◼   ► none of this stuff is – I can't emphasize this enough – there are no pictures of your

01:41:38 ◼   ► thumbprint or fingerprint stored anywhere.

01:41:41 ◼   ► It's an encrypted ID where your thumbprint is part of what makes the ID, but that the

01:41:48 ◼   ► whole thing gets computed instantly.

01:41:50 ◼   ► So I don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is true,

01:41:55 ◼   ► and that touch ID will only appear as devices get the A7 system on a chip.

01:42:03 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in fact, what's the point of making new iPads?

01:42:08 ◼   ► year if at least the high-end ones don't go to the A7. And so if they go to the A7, who

01:42:12 ◼   ► knows? Maybe the touch ID sensor is not that relatively expensive, and so maybe it's a

01:42:17 ◼   ► no-brainer. Yeah, of course the iPad's going to get it.

01:42:20 ◼   ► I just think it will. And maybe it'll be some layering of how they do it. But the way that

01:42:28 ◼   ► they did it, if you look at next year, they have the 5CS, as you mentioned earlier, then

01:42:36 ◼   ► And it'll definitely get it.

01:42:38 ◼   ► Yeah, this one gets it because it's already--

01:42:40 ◼   ► so it worked out perfectly for me.

01:42:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so anyway, I think our answer is probably slash

01:42:47 ◼   ► hopefully this year for the iPad,

01:42:49 ◼   ► and definitely eventually next year at the latest,

01:42:52 ◼   ► the iPad will definitely have Touch ID.

01:42:53 ◼   ► Touch ID will within two years will be on all iPhones

01:42:56 ◼   ► and iPads, no doubt.

01:42:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:42:59 ◼   ► It's absolutely the future of logging into your device.

01:43:04 ◼   ► Here's the thing I was told by Apple, and I believe it, is that over the course of developing

01:43:09 ◼   ► Touch ID, they actually had to dial back the places where you still have to enter your

01:43:14 ◼   ► passcode and your store ID because they realized that if you never had to enter it, you'd

01:43:21 ◼   ► forget it.

01:43:23 ◼   ► Right?

01:43:25 ◼   ► That you only get to use Touch ID if you set up a passcode or password or passphrase if

01:43:30 ◼   ► you want the longer one for your phone.

01:43:32 ◼   ► But if they let you log into it without ever having to use it, like for example, if you

01:43:36 ◼   ► turn your power your phone all the way off and then power it on, you have to enter the

01:43:39 ◼   ► code.

01:43:40 ◼   ► You have to enter a code before you can log in using your thumb.

01:43:44 ◼   ► And they had it set up at some point where you could just, once you set up the thumb,

01:43:47 ◼   ► you could always use the thumb, but they realized that the people who did that, they forgot

01:43:51 ◼   ► their passcodes.

01:43:52 ◼   ► It's kind of funny.

01:43:53 ◼   ► That is kind of funny.

01:43:55 ◼   ► And you know what?

01:43:56 ◼   ► I went to buy something on the App Store and it asked me for to manually put in my my passcode

01:44:03 ◼   ► Even though I had activated the purchase by thumb. So what's what's it been like a week?

01:44:10 ◼   ► Maybe maybe it pops up every now and then and yeah, I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the rule is on that

01:44:16 ◼   ► If it's a timing thing or what? Yeah

01:44:18 ◼   ► My friend that irons asked I know he asked yesterday

01:44:22 ◼   ► Can the Verizon iPhone walk and chew gum at the same time?

01:44:26 ◼   ► meaning when you're on a

01:44:30 ◼   ► Phone call do you can you still get LTE date?

01:44:33 ◼   ► Can you get LTE data or does it drop back to edge and the bad news is I've tested this it

01:44:37 ◼   ► Cannot it's still if when you're on a cell phone call on Verizon

01:44:42 ◼   ► Data drops to edge. Oh, that's too bad

01:44:46 ◼   ► Well, you know but good thing for me I don't

01:44:51 ◼   ► I don't make a lot of voice calls.

01:44:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, we don't anymore, do we?

01:44:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you know what's interesting?

01:44:57 ◼   ► Now that iOS 7's out and everybody I know

01:44:59 ◼   ► is gonna upgrade, I'm interested to know

01:45:01 ◼   ► how many of the voice calls I do make

01:45:04 ◼   ► will go as voice-only FaceTime calls.

01:45:08 ◼   ► And A, the quality should be way better.

01:45:12 ◼   ► And B, because that's just data,

01:45:14 ◼   ► it'll still be, it'll still have,

01:45:17 ◼   ► it'll solve that problem.

01:45:18 ◼   ► If you make a voice-only FaceTime call

01:45:20 ◼   ► instead of an official phone call,

01:45:23 ◼   ► you'll work around that problem.

01:45:27 ◼   ► But no, Verizon users,

01:45:28 ◼   ► 'cause my test units were both on Verizon.

01:45:30 ◼   ► No, the Verizon doesn't work yet.

01:45:33 ◼   ► - It's funny, when you look at voice calls,

01:45:38 ◼   ► I mean, it's to the point now where,

01:45:41 ◼   ► my daughter, she's 20,

01:45:43 ◼   ► she thinks that something's,

01:45:47 ◼   ► catastrophe must have happened

01:45:49 ◼   ► if there's an actual voice call,

01:45:50 ◼   ► why wouldn't you just text?

01:45:52 ◼   ► My son won't even answer his phone.

01:45:54 ◼   ► - My wife never answers her phone.

01:45:57 ◼   ► I've been lucky if she answered it for me.

01:45:58 ◼   ► Anybody else calls her?

01:45:59 ◼   ► Nobody.

01:46:00 ◼   ► She just, she never answers her phone

01:46:02 ◼   ► and never listens to voicemail.

01:46:03 ◼   ► - Nice.

01:46:04 ◼   ► - She's got like a red badge on her phone app

01:46:06 ◼   ► that says like 147.

01:46:08 ◼   ► - Love it.

01:46:09 ◼   ► - Hey, I have a question for you.

01:46:12 ◼   ► So I guess Apple, I never thought about this,

01:46:13 ◼   ► but your review units, are they,

01:46:17 ◼   ► They're set up for like Bell Canada or whatever the hell you have up there?

01:46:20 ◼   ► No, I actually have, I've had an AT&T account for about 15 years.

01:46:25 ◼   ► Oh, and that just works?

01:46:27 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:46:28 ◼   ► I did not know that.

01:46:30 ◼   ► Here's a question from Joan Bone.

01:46:33 ◼   ► Hone Bone? I'm not quite sure how to pronounce his name.

01:46:36 ◼   ► He just updated to iOS 7.

01:46:40 ◼   ► The launch and close app animations.

01:46:42 ◼   ► Time waster? Ways to turn off?

01:46:45 ◼   ► Sorry if obvious, haven't looked yet. As far as I know, there is no way to turn them off. I don't know.

01:46:51 ◼   ► Maybe in accessibility. I don't know if there's like a seasickness setting or something like that.

01:46:55 ◼   ► But I don't think they're time wasters. I guess some people are annoyed by them, but I think that they're pleasant because to me they give you a sense of place in the OS.

01:47:07 ◼   ► I like them.

01:47:08 ◼   ► So now I like them too and it's a multitasking love multitasking.

01:47:14 ◼   ► Yeah, you know the way that you go into it the way that you get out of it.

01:47:19 ◼   ► Yeah, the way it's sort of like a half.

01:47:21 ◼   ► There's like the home screen and when you're in an app, which is full screen and multitasking exists like halfway in between the two which I think is perfect conceptually.

01:47:31 ◼   ► What was it that did that web OS had these kind of?

01:47:37 ◼   ► multitasking like this?

01:47:39 ◼   ► Yes.

01:47:40 ◼   ► I thought it was great.

01:47:42 ◼   ► Yeah, it's very serious. And it's, you know, and like flicking the things to close them is kind of fun.

01:47:46 ◼   ► Same thing with flicking the tabs in Safari to close them.

01:47:49 ◼   ► Right on. Yeah.

01:47:50 ◼   ► Here's a question from Dave Addy.

01:47:52 ◼   ► Good friend. I met him at Webstock this year too.

01:47:57 ◼   ► Great app developer.

01:47:58 ◼   ► Smart guy.

01:47:59 ◼   ► Given the scale of changes needed to support iOS 7, when will Apple stop accepting apps linked against iOS 6?

01:48:09 ◼   ► Let me think about that. I think...

01:48:13 ◼   ► It's going to be pretty immediate, I think.

01:48:16 ◼   ► No, no. In other words, they might stop accepting iOS 6 only apps, ones that aren't native for 7, but...

01:48:26 ◼   ► But when would they stop accepting apps that also support 6?

01:48:31 ◼   ► You know, when are they going to...

01:48:33 ◼   ► I think that might be a ways off, honestly.

01:48:36 ◼   ► I do, because I think that there are...

01:48:39 ◼   ► Even though...

01:48:41 ◼   ► Even though I expect, you know, just like with iOS 6, which reached like 95% of the iOS installed base,

01:48:49 ◼   ► I expect iOS 7 to, within a few months, be running on 90+% of iOS devices.

01:48:55 ◼   ► at which point I think a reasonable developer could say,

01:48:59 ◼   ► "I'm just going to erase the hassles of supporting both and just go iOS 7 only."

01:49:03 ◼   ► There are institutions that, even though that makes sense to me, I think

01:49:07 ◼   ► that culturally there are places where they're like, "No, no, no, we want everybody,

01:49:11 ◼   ► so we're going to still link to iOS 6 or iOS 5 even, or something like that."

01:49:15 ◼   ► So I think it'll be a while before Apple doesn't let you

01:49:19 ◼   ► do that. But I think, conversely, let me flip the question around,

01:49:23 ◼   ► I don't think developers should hesitate to go iOS 7 only I

01:49:28 ◼   ► Don't mean I think eliminates hassles. I don't think you lose many users

01:49:33 ◼   ► I think the users you do lose are not your best customers and there are so many cool things in iOS 7 like text kit

01:49:40 ◼   ► that

01:49:43 ◼   ► It just makes sense and you know you can't use it you can't really go you can't dive into text kit and still support iOS 6

01:49:51 ◼   ► Yeah, and the background updates if you have an app that loads content from the web

01:49:56 ◼   ► I mean, there's so much stuff iOS 7 is such a great update. Yeah, I

01:49:59 ◼   ► Think developers shouldn't wait for Apple to make them drop iOS 6 just drop it and go ahead. I

01:50:05 ◼   ► Couldn't agree more I've said that you know about every major update, you know, how far back should we go?

01:50:12 ◼   ► it really it depends on on what kind of cool features you want to offer your users as a developer and

01:50:21 ◼   ► you know, as a user, I want you to make the best app you can.

01:50:24 ◼   ► If that means you're going iOS 7 only, do it.

01:50:27 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:50:28 ◼   ► - Give me the absolute best that you can.

01:50:29 ◼   ► - And I think that's what iPhone customers want.

01:50:32 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I really do.

01:50:33 ◼   ► I think that's the reason they picked iPhones

01:50:35 ◼   ► in the first place.

01:50:36 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:50:37 ◼   ► - Please advise on bling or gunmetal spacey color.

01:50:41 ◼   ► Thanks guys, can't wait for the show.

01:50:43 ◼   ► That's from Rob Richmond.

01:50:44 ◼   ► Well, I mean, you know, it's really hard to recommend that

01:50:46 ◼   ► without, you know, for people who wanna order at midnight

01:50:49 ◼   ► without having seen them in person,

01:50:52 ◼   ► 'cause I wanna get an ASAP, you know.

01:50:54 ◼   ► You're gonna have to go with your gut.

01:50:56 ◼   ► All I can say about the gold, you really like it.

01:50:58 ◼   ► All I can say, it's as nice as gold could be.

01:51:01 ◼   ► The gold wouldn't keep me from getting it.

01:51:03 ◼   ► And if I were going to get one,

01:51:04 ◼   ► if somebody said to me, "You can't get black.

01:51:06 ◼   ► "You have to get one of the two with the white face,"

01:51:08 ◼   ► I'd go with the gold, just because I think it looks cool

01:51:11 ◼   ► and it's kinda new.

01:51:12 ◼   ► - But all of them look great. - It is not winging,

01:51:15 ◼   ► yeah, it doesn't look like Donald Trump's phone.

01:51:17 ◼   ► - Right, yeah.

01:51:18 ◼   ► And that's part of what I was afraid of.

01:51:20 ◼   ► - Right.

01:51:20 ◼   ► Me personally, I like the Black though.

01:51:23 ◼   ► And I think the Black is a really nice upgrade

01:51:25 ◼   ► over last year's, which I still like.

01:51:27 ◼   ► And that was my phone last year.

01:51:29 ◼   ► The best way I can put it, I'm not the only person

01:51:32 ◼   ► who's observed this.

01:51:33 ◼   ► To me, and this is, I haven't seen the Black one in a week.

01:51:36 ◼   ► I haven't seen it since I was in the hands-on area

01:51:38 ◼   ► last week in Cupertino.

01:51:40 ◼   ► But in hindsight, and I studied it a lot there,

01:51:44 ◼   ► it really reminds me of the original iPhone,

01:51:46 ◼   ► 2007 one with the black face and the black plastic on the back for the antenna and that

01:51:51 ◼   ► silver sort of metal back. Instead of being black colored, it's dark metal colored.

01:51:59 ◼   ► If you like black phones, you're going to love the space gray one.

01:52:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree. None of them look bad. Now, if you took five of those gold ones and put

01:52:09 ◼   ► them around your neck on a chain, yeah, okay, bling it.

01:52:13 ◼   ► Yeah, somebody's got to do that. Somebody has got to do that eventually. You could get

01:52:16 ◼   ► it blingy. You could definitely bling it up a little.

01:52:19 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's not – you don't look at it and say, "Oh, God, really? Do I have

01:52:24 ◼   ► to go out with that?" Let's see. Also, the video shot at 120 frames per second.

01:52:34 ◼   ► Can it export playback at 120 frames per second? I don't know. I think it would if you – like

01:52:42 ◼   ► If you share it, I could be wrong here.

01:52:46 ◼   ► This is from Eric VanQuil Esquire.

01:52:49 ◼   ► It doesn't really look like an Esquire, judging by his Twitter ID, but I'll give it to him.

01:52:56 ◼   ► Classy guy. Anybody with Esquire after it, I'll answer your question.

01:52:59 ◼   ► I think the way it works is if you export through the sharing menu,

01:53:04 ◼   ► it's going to down sample to 30 frames per second and turn the slow-mo.

01:53:09 ◼   ► the slow mo, you know, it'll all be 30 frames per second. I think if you just connect it as a USB

01:53:14 ◼   ► device and use, you know, iPhoto or image capture or whatever, whatever that thing is, the

01:53:20 ◼   ► thing that just sucks photos off a camera.

01:53:24 ◼   ► Yeah, a camera, the camera app.

01:53:27 ◼   ► Yeah. What's it called?

01:53:29 ◼   ► Capture.

01:53:31 ◼   ► Yeah. It'll come off as just the raw data, so it will come off, I think, as 120 frames per second.

01:53:38 ◼   ► I can't imagine that it wouldn't it'll just you know I

01:53:40 ◼   ► Actually didn't do that. I'm trying to log in and look for the

01:53:46 ◼   ► For the movie that I posted

01:53:50 ◼   ► So I can see what it is, but we'll be moved on by the time I get there all right

01:53:56 ◼   ► Any issues with battery life on the iPhone 5?

01:54:00 ◼   ► Ours technica tests show it's way worse, and I've had similar issues

01:54:05 ◼   ► I presume that means with an old iPhone 5 upgraded to iOS 7.

01:54:10 ◼   ► I haven't done extensive testing.

01:54:12 ◼   ► Like I said though, I've been running iOS 7 on my main iPhone all summer long, since

01:54:16 ◼   ► beta 3, I think since July.

01:54:20 ◼   ► I didn't notice any real difference.

01:54:22 ◼   ► No improvement, no worsening of battery life over the summer.

01:54:26 ◼   ► And I did a lot of vacations and traveling over summer, so I actually used my iPhone

01:54:31 ◼   ► a lot and didn't have any problems.

01:54:33 ◼   ► But I don't doubt if Ars Technica has tests that show that it's worse. I don't know.

01:54:38 ◼   ► But I didn't think it was bad.

01:54:39 ◼   ► I actually did have some problems starting off, but that was one of the betas. To be

01:54:51 ◼   ► honest, I didn't really worry about it.

01:54:53 ◼   ► I had one, and I guess I should say I had one. Again, I just chalked this up to being

01:54:57 ◼   ► I had one last month where I got the 20% warning.

01:55:02 ◼   ► It's like the first time I got the warning, I said, "Hey, warning, you're down to 20%."

01:55:06 ◼   ► And the battery went red, and then the phone shut down.

01:55:10 ◼   ► You know, like when you get to zero, literally about 30 seconds later.

01:55:15 ◼   ► Like it went from 20 to zero in 30 seconds, and I thought, "Wow, that's scary."

01:55:20 ◼   ► And I charged it up, and then ever since, I never saw that happen again.

01:55:24 ◼   ► But that to me is what happens when you install a beta on your phone.

01:55:27 ◼   ► Well exactly, and since I, with the 5S, I noticed a lot better battery life with the updated version of iOS 7.

01:55:39 ◼   ► Because you don't know what's on in the background in these betas.

01:55:42 ◼   ► I mean they could have debugging stuff, they could have all kinds of stuff going on.

01:55:47 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think it probably matters too as to what else you have turned on.

01:55:50 ◼   ► turned on. What apps have you granted location tracking privileges to? What apps have – do

01:55:55 ◼   ► you have Bluetooth on and what are you allowing to connect to you by Bluetooth?

01:56:00 ◼   ► I have – I bought one of those Pebble watches and I really didn't like it. I didn't

01:56:06 ◼   ► write about it just because – well, maybe I will when I speculate more about watches

01:56:11 ◼   ► in the future. But anyway, long story short though, I definitely noticed and didn't

01:56:15 ◼   ► see anybody else complaining about it. I definitely noticed that just pairing the Pebble watch

01:56:19 ◼   ► with my iPhone really hurt battery life on my phone.

01:56:22 ◼   ► And it was, you know, I don't get a lot of phone calls

01:56:24 ◼   ► or texts all day, so it wasn't like there were tons

01:56:26 ◼   ► of notifications going back and forth.

01:56:28 ◼   ► Just pairing them, I noticed a noticeable difference.

01:56:31 ◼   ► So, I guess it depends on what you've got.

01:56:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:56:34 ◼   ► - I tend to keep a lot of things off,

01:56:36 ◼   ► and I don't even have my email check in the background.

01:56:39 ◼   ► I haven't, I've, like, for five or six years,

01:56:41 ◼   ► I just, I check email when I open the mail app.

01:56:44 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:56:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I have that stuff on.

01:56:47 ◼   ► I have Wi-Fi on. Bluetooth, I turn off when I'm traveling.

01:56:53 ◼   ► Yeah. You do need Bluetooth for AirDrop, though. That's a reason to keep Bluetooth on.

01:56:58 ◼   ► True. But I think if you just turn Bluetooth on

01:57:00 ◼   ► but don't pair anything and just wait and use it for AirDrop, it shouldn't really have

01:57:03 ◼   ► much of an effect. That's true. To get back to Esquire's question,

01:57:10 ◼   ► The videos that I exported from my phone using slow-mo,

01:57:14 ◼   ► exported in H.264,

01:57:17 ◼   ► 568 by 320, FPS 30.

01:57:21 ◼   ► - What'd you use to export them?

01:57:29 ◼   ► - The iPhone.

01:57:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

01:57:31 ◼   ► And I think if you connect it to the,

01:57:34 ◼   ► what's that app called again?

01:57:37 ◼   ► God damn it.

01:57:38 ◼   ► Image Capture.

01:57:39 ◼   ► Yeah, then I think they'll come off as just the raw 120 frames per second video and the the data rate was 826

01:57:47 ◼   ► per second so

01:57:50 ◼   ► You know it's not a high def movie, but that's not what they were going for either

01:57:56 ◼   ► Yeah, here's another question same guy Eric van quill esquire does the flashlight light up both LEDs yes

01:58:03 ◼   ► How hard is the leather case to remove not too hard, but I found kind of hard

01:58:09 ◼   ► Because I've even put it on I did because when I was walking around the first few days

01:58:14 ◼   ► especially when I was still in San Francisco where

01:58:16 ◼   ► More people know me and and more people are tech savvy

01:58:20 ◼   ► I did not want anybody to ask me about the goddamn gold iPhone like the rules of reviewing it are

01:58:26 ◼   ► You're allowed they want you to use it

01:58:29 ◼   ► I mean, it's not like you, you know, I'd get you get in any trouble if somebody says hey John Gruber has a gold iPhone

01:58:34 ◼   ► I saw you're supposed to use it. You're not supposed to show it off

01:58:37 ◼   ► You can't let other people touch it. I just didn't even want to bother with it.

01:58:41 ◼   ► I thought putting in a case would just make sure, and I wanted to try the case. I found it a little

01:58:45 ◼   ► hard to take out off, though. But I think in a good way where it's on solid. The rubbery case,

01:58:51 ◼   ► the silicone case for the 5C is really easy to get on and off, though, because it's stretchy,

01:58:59 ◼   ► as opposed to the leather one. And does the flashlight light up both? Yes, it does.

01:59:06 ◼   ► Here's Ryan Jones. Ryan Jones asks, "Predict 5S sellout time. One minute."

01:59:12 ◼   ► I don't think it's going to-- I think it's going to be very constrained.

01:59:17 ◼   ► Yeah. Although, you know, what is sellout? Like, if it, you know, it's going to drop--

01:59:22 ◼   ► I think it's going to drop to, you know, two weeks very quickly. Because who knows? I mean,

01:59:29 ◼   ► it doesn't even go on sale to the 20th. Who knows what the first person who gets their order in,

01:59:33 ◼   ► Who knows what the delivery time is? Apple hasn't said for online stuff. I mean, obviously,

01:59:40 ◼   ► if you really want one on the 20th, the only way to do it is to get in line at an Apple

01:59:45 ◼   ► store.

01:59:46 ◼   ► Right.

01:59:47 ◼   ► I saw a thing yesterday where I think All Things D had a report from carriers that said

01:59:50 ◼   ► that they got like a ridiculously small shipment of 5 S's. Well, don't forget that Tim Cook

01:59:57 ◼   ► even said, I mean, this isn't speculation. Tim Cook said specifically earlier this year

02:00:01 ◼   ► that they would like to sell a higher proportion of iPhones through their own stores. You know,

02:00:07 ◼   ► that the carriers got fewer doesn't mean that Apple stores will have fewer.

02:00:12 ◼   ► That's exactly right.

02:00:13 ◼   ► Right.

02:00:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, people read the worst into this stuff and it's not always the worst.

02:00:20 ◼   ► It is going to be tight though. There's no doubt in my mind. And that's – I know

02:00:23 ◼   ► for a fact that's why they didn't take preorders of it because it's going to be

02:00:26 ◼   ► tighter. It's harder to make. And who knows what the reason is. Is it the A7? Is it the

02:00:30 ◼   ► the touch ID sensor, is it both?

02:00:34 ◼   ► Who knows, but it's new, it's new components,

02:00:37 ◼   ► they're in demand.

02:00:41 ◼   ► - It could be something as simple as they made

02:00:42 ◼   ► a last minute change.

02:00:44 ◼   ► - Yes, yeah.

02:00:45 ◼   ► - And had to start over.

02:00:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, but if you want one on day one

02:00:53 ◼   ► and you wanna get up early and go to a retail store,

02:00:55 ◼   ► don't think that hey, everybody's gonna go

02:00:58 ◼   ► the Apple store so I'll go to Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or whatever and beat the lines.

02:01:04 ◼   ► I think that's the wrong way to do it. I think if you really want one on day one, your best

02:01:07 ◼   ► bet is to bite the bullet and get up in the middle of the night and get in line at your

02:01:10 ◼   ► local Apple store because the Apple store is going to have a lot more than the carriers.

02:01:14 ◼   ► Mad Fientist Agreed.

02:01:18 ◼   ► Hmm, is Apple done with skeuomorphic design for good?

02:01:22 ◼   ► I don't know. Is there room for iOS eg iBooks?

02:01:27 ◼   ► I'll tell you what, this year I expect a new version of iBooks

02:01:31 ◼   ► probably at the iPad event. I'm surprised we didn't get it already.

02:01:35 ◼   ► I guess maybe they're waiting for the iPad event. I don't know.

02:01:38 ◼   ► But I would be shocked if they don't redesign iBooks along the lines of newsstand

02:01:43 ◼   ► where they get rid of this skeuomorphism.

02:01:46 ◼   ► Is it gone for good?

02:01:48 ◼   ► Ah, I mean, you know, forever is a long time, and, you know, fashion moves in cycles.

02:01:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I hope it's not.

02:01:57 ◼   ► I think it'll start coming back in small doses, you know.

02:02:00 ◼   ► I think part of what brought the end of it was that it was taken to its, like, logical conclusion, where it couldn't get any more skeuomorphic, right?

02:02:11 ◼   ► Like with retina to screens and the incredible color fidelity of these iOS devices, you know,

02:02:19 ◼   ► it couldn't get anymore.

02:02:20 ◼   ► So I think it was taken to an extreme and then they, you know, dialed it back.

02:02:23 ◼   ► I think that, you know, it's almost like a dial that went all the way around to zero

02:02:28 ◼   ► and now it'll start ticking up the other way again, I guess.

02:02:31 ◼   ► Yep.

02:02:32 ◼   ► I hope so.

02:02:33 ◼   ► I don't want to see them get rid of it altogether.

02:02:36 ◼   ► It's so hard to detect fashion trends in the short term.

02:02:39 ◼   ► You have to kind of take a long-term look.

02:02:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

02:02:42 ◼   ► - Let's see.

02:02:46 ◼   ► I might be wrapping up.

02:02:48 ◼   ► You see any other good questions?

02:02:50 ◼   ► - I don't.

02:02:51 ◼   ► - Sorry if I missed your good question.

02:02:53 ◼   ► I'm sure that it was great and it's my fault

02:02:55 ◼   ► that I missed it if you're out there

02:02:57 ◼   ► and you did send a question.

02:02:59 ◼   ► What do you think of the new notification center?

02:03:05 ◼   ► I think it, I find it to be very useful.

02:03:08 ◼   ► I think the reorganization of it is better to me.

02:03:12 ◼   ► - I like Notification Center on iOS and the Mac.

02:03:17 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I find it to be

02:03:19 ◼   ► a very useful feature.

02:03:20 ◼   ► It's another one of those things

02:03:21 ◼   ► that fixes a pain point for me.

02:03:25 ◼   ► You know, one that I didn't really know

02:03:26 ◼   ► that there was a fix for.

02:03:28 ◼   ► I can be working on either iOS or macOS

02:03:33 ◼   ► and get a notification, just glance up and see,