The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► So, Joanna, it's Stern, you have a new puppy.

00:00:02 ◼   ► And it's a boy?

00:00:03 ◼   ► It's a boy.

00:00:04 ◼   ► What's his name?

00:00:05 ◼   ► I had a boy.

00:00:06 ◼   ► It's a boy.

00:00:07 ◼   ► What's his name?

00:00:08 ◼   ► His name is Browser.

00:00:09 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:00:10 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:00:11 ◼   ► That's it.

00:00:12 ◼   ► As in, not as in Safari, Firefox, or Chrome.

00:00:18 ◼   ► Just Browser.

00:00:19 ◼   ► That's good.

00:00:20 ◼   ► We show no platform.

00:00:21 ◼   ► We're platform agnostic in the puppy family here.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Somehow Browser makes for a good dog name, but any one of the individual ones would be

00:00:27 ◼   ► a terrible name.

00:00:28 ◼   ► I know.

00:00:29 ◼   ► We had so many things on the list and my wife said no to pretty much every other tech name

00:00:34 ◼   ► I had on the list.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I mean I think Cordy is a mistake.

00:00:37 ◼   ► I think we should have named him Cordy.

00:00:39 ◼   ► I'm trying to think which browser would make for the worst name.

00:00:44 ◼   ► I.E.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Come here I.E.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Come here I.E.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Chrome sounds a little cold.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Oh you crashed again.

00:00:51 ◼   ► You crashed.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah so he's adorable.

00:00:56 ◼   ► He's really adorable.

00:00:57 ◼   ► into that person that I hate, which I'm constantly posting photos of my puppy doing like the

00:01:02 ◼   ► same thing that he did five minutes ago.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Like right now he's sleeping under my desk and I'm doing, it's taking everything in me

00:01:08 ◼   ► not to post another photo of him.

00:01:11 ◼   ► Firefox sounds like a cool dog name.

00:01:13 ◼   ► It does.

00:01:14 ◼   ► It would have been a little bit like of an identity crisis for him, I feel like.

00:01:16 ◼   ► I'm going to say Internet Explorer is the worst name for a dog.

00:01:19 ◼   ► And I'm going to say Firefox is the, was the best, if you were to name your dog after any

00:01:24 ◼   ► the individual browser yeah yeah I mean Netscape would have been it would have

00:01:30 ◼   ► been cute hmm maybe was that your watch pinging yes one of the little details of

00:01:38 ◼   ► wearing the watch is that now there's yet another thing to make sure is silent

00:01:42 ◼   ► I know I'm gonna silence it maybe I'm not you know what I'm not going to and

00:01:47 ◼   ► let's just see how many times it goes off that's right all right I actually

00:01:51 ◼   ► find and I guess we're just diving right into it I found I even wrote about this

00:01:55 ◼   ► that the watch works way more naturally to me with sound off I have sound off I

00:02:00 ◼   ► would say in the I guess it's been two weeks yeah I guess as we're recording

00:02:04 ◼   ► we've had it for two plus weeks two weeks of daily use I think I've had

00:02:09 ◼   ► sound off night 90% of the time actually it's funny because I usually like when I

00:02:15 ◼   ► put it in do not disturb mode or silent mode I forget about it and then when I'm like you

00:02:21 ◼   ► know I haven't heard the sound in a while I turn it back on but when you say sound off

00:02:27 ◼   ► you just have the tap deck yes so I'm still getting the alerts it's just the noises for

00:02:34 ◼   ► them that that I don't have one yeah you know what I haven't had that on that much either

00:02:38 ◼   ► to be honest because if I'm in meetings or stuff I turn that off and it's not just about

00:02:43 ◼   ► interrupting people to me, it's, I don't know, somehow in my mind, it just feels right. It

00:02:48 ◼   ► feels right that the watch is tapping me to say, Hey, I've got something right sound to

00:02:52 ◼   ► me. It's like that. I had that with my phone. I don't know. It doesn't it. It just doesn't

00:02:58 ◼   ► seem right to me that my that my watch is making noise.

00:03:01 ◼   ► The only sound I have on my phone is for my email, or I message pretty much everything.

00:03:09 ◼   ► But on the other hand, I do think I'm on the fence about this. I can't quite tell. Like

00:03:13 ◼   ► I kind of thing and this is one of the things that even two weeks in I can't quite make

00:03:17 ◼   ► up my mind. I kind of feel like I want the Taptic Engine to be a little bit stronger.

00:03:23 ◼   ► Really just a little and it just seems like every once in a while I miss one. It's you

00:03:29 ◼   ► miss one. I've had that too. I've definitely had that where I miss one but sometimes I

00:03:33 ◼   ► feel like maybe it's because my my Milanese loop is a little bit loose. My loop is loose.

00:03:39 ◼   ► sounds really bad. The Milanese though you can. It's just a it's just a question of how

00:03:44 ◼   ► comfortable it is. If you wanted it tighter, you could just tighten it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:03:49 ◼   ► I find it so comfortable. I mean, I cannot overestimate how comfortable this thing is.

00:03:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I it seems comfortable. I did not get to spend time with it. I wasn't sure what

00:03:58 ◼   ► they were going to do. And I feel like which one are you wearing? I'm wearing the link

00:04:01 ◼   ► bracelet again, the link 90% of the time, but I have I think everybody got the white

00:04:06 ◼   ► sport band oh no no I have the bow you did get blue I forgot I said I remember

00:04:10 ◼   ► from your video did you ask for that yeah or they just gave it to you a

00:04:14 ◼   ► little inside baseball I didn't ask for that but I think they didn't they didn't

00:04:21 ◼   ► even I wasn't even offered a choice of a sport band they just gave me white yeah

00:04:26 ◼   ► I asked for black and then they didn't have the black when they came to New

00:04:30 ◼   ► York and so they're gonna get me this swap out the black but actually that's

00:04:33 ◼   ► the one I'm in order so yeah and I've heard people I have not done the because

00:04:38 ◼   ► we're you and I are spoiled and we've already got review units I have not done

00:04:44 ◼   ► the thing where I've gone to a store and tried on the watches me either but I

00:04:48 ◼   ► have heard from people who have who a bunch of them seem to say that the

00:04:53 ◼   ► various sport bands feel subtly different from each other that black is

00:04:58 ◼   ► is even more supple than white.

00:05:01 ◼   ► Not that they're radically different,

00:05:03 ◼   ► but that they're different enough that they feel confident

00:05:05 ◼   ► that like with their eyes closed,

00:05:06 ◼   ► they could tell which was which.

00:05:08 ◼   ► - Right.

00:05:09 ◼   ► Well, I have this problem with the sport band

00:05:11 ◼   ► and it's a small problem,

00:05:13 ◼   ► so I didn't really talk about it much.

00:05:15 ◼   ► You kind of see it in that video

00:05:16 ◼   ► when I'm having a hard time putting it on,

00:05:18 ◼   ► where they have the small-medium band in the same one

00:05:22 ◼   ► and then they have the medium-large band.

00:05:25 ◼   ► And the medium-large band is a little bit too big,

00:05:28 ◼   ► like the last one, the last, what's it, hole,

00:05:32 ◼   ► there's probably a professional word for that hole.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Anyway, on that one it gets a little bit too big,

00:05:39 ◼   ► so I have to use the smaller band,

00:05:40 ◼   ► which makes it much harder to put on,

00:05:42 ◼   ► but it fits much nicer when I have it on,

00:05:45 ◼   ► and for what I've found, you know,

00:05:47 ◼   ► I always change into that for working out,

00:05:49 ◼   ► and that fit is so important when you're working out,

00:05:52 ◼   ► because I found, you know, I did a couple of workout classes

00:05:55 ◼   ► with the Milanese, went on a run,

00:05:57 ◼   ► and I really did not find as accurate heart rate tracking.

00:06:00 ◼   ► And then when I switch it for that sport band,

00:06:02 ◼   ► it's far more accurate.

00:06:04 ◼   ► The problem is it takes me forever to put it on

00:06:06 ◼   ► because it's a little bit too small,

00:06:09 ◼   ► but when I finally get it on my wrist, it fits perfectly.

00:06:11 ◼   ► - I see what you mean.

00:06:12 ◼   ► I read that in a review

00:06:14 ◼   ► and that was one of the things I wanna talk about.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Now I understand why you found it a little harder to get on.

00:06:17 ◼   ► So in other words, when you put the smaller,

00:06:20 ◼   ► just to step back up,

00:06:21 ◼   ► I know there's been a lot of confusion on this

00:06:23 ◼   ► because just from people who read the site

00:06:26 ◼   ► emailing me and twittering, tweeting me, when it says that you get two straps with your

00:06:31 ◼   ► Apple Watch Sport, what they mean is you get two sizes. It's, it's and that that's true

00:06:39 ◼   ► whether you get 38 or 42. So you actually get three pieces, the top piece is the same,

00:06:46 ◼   ► the one that actually has the slot that the other piece tucks under, and it has the pin.

00:06:51 ◼   ► And then you get two bottom pieces, the piece with the holes that you pop the pin into.

00:06:57 ◼   ► One is smaller, one is larger.

00:06:59 ◼   ► I see what you're saying.

00:07:00 ◼   ► You're saying that the smaller of them, once it's on, is a better feel.

00:07:03 ◼   ► But because there's only a little bit left of it to tuck under.

00:07:07 ◼   ► Right.

00:07:08 ◼   ► Right.

00:07:09 ◼   ► I actually wonder like, is that really meant for kids?

00:07:12 ◼   ► Like who has that small of a wrist for the for the really, when you when you get it on

00:07:17 ◼   ► like the closest and strap the small and we have it, it's on the other side of the room.

00:07:21 ◼   ► I'm afraid I'll wake up the puppy if I go get it.

00:07:24 ◼   ► It's really small.

00:07:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I totally-- - Right?

00:07:28 ◼   ► I mean, I assume, I wonder if the bands are the same size,

00:07:33 ◼   ► they must be, right?

00:07:34 ◼   ► The bands must be the same size

00:07:35 ◼   ► whether you got the 38 or the 42.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - No, I think that the 42s are probably bigger

00:07:39 ◼   ► because the 42, no, I--

00:07:44 ◼   ► - You think that-- - Yeah, I think that

00:07:45 ◼   ► the big one on the 42 is, it's just humongous.

00:07:49 ◼   ► It is, it's almost, I would guess that there are very few men on the planet for whom the

00:07:57 ◼   ► larger of the 42 is still not big enough.

00:08:01 ◼   ► It is truly, truly, it's like putting a belt on my wrist.

00:08:04 ◼   ► So the small one, actually for me with the 42, and you know, I'm 6'2", I mean, I'm not,

00:08:09 ◼   ► my wrists aren't particularly large.

00:08:10 ◼   ► I think they're, you know, for someone as tall as I am, they're probably a little bit

00:08:14 ◼   ► on the small side.

00:08:15 ◼   ► The smaller one, I use the smaller one with the 42

00:08:19 ◼   ► and I'm only like three holes into it.

00:08:22 ◼   ► - The smaller one with the, oh.

00:08:25 ◼   ► - Like I actually have five, five,

00:08:27 ◼   ► or I think there's seven holes.

00:08:29 ◼   ► So I'm not even halfway on the smaller one.

00:08:33 ◼   ► It's actually, the 42s are very large.

00:08:36 ◼   ► And I definitely--

00:08:37 ◼   ► - Okay, so that-- - I definitely--

00:08:38 ◼   ► - That would make sense. - Yeah, and I definitely

00:08:39 ◼   ► think that the 38 small one is definitely meant

00:08:42 ◼   ► to range down to kid sizes, 'cause we've done the thing

00:08:44 ◼   ► where you know Apple has the, here's what your,

00:08:47 ◼   ► you know, measure your wrist in millimeters

00:08:50 ◼   ► and here's the ranges.

00:08:52 ◼   ► And for Jonas, who's only 11 and is pretty slight

00:08:55 ◼   ► for an 11 year old boy, he easily is within the range.

00:08:59 ◼   ► Like it's not even, you know, he might even have

00:09:01 ◼   ► like a hole or two to spare.

00:09:02 ◼   ► - Is he getting one?

00:09:05 ◼   ► - He wants one.

00:09:06 ◼   ► I think there's some question over report card grades

00:09:10 ◼   ► and motivating him to get one.

00:09:12 ◼   ► But he desperately wants one.

00:09:14 ◼   ► Oh, man, that they would it like I'm trying to think of what I used to work for when I

00:09:19 ◼   ► was younger.

00:09:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I think money.

00:09:23 ◼   ► It's our sports.

00:09:24 ◼   ► I worked for like sports stuff.

00:09:25 ◼   ► He might not shock people.

00:09:27 ◼   ► I was a huge tomboy.

00:09:28 ◼   ► So it'd be like if I could get a new one time really wanted a new basketball hoop or something

00:09:33 ◼   ► like that, like a, you know, upgrade from a crappy rubber basketball to a nice synthetic

00:09:39 ◼   ► leather.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Right.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Right.

00:09:42 ◼   ► always my problem growing up playing basketball is if I ever needed a new one, I wanted the

00:09:46 ◼   ► $45 synthetic leather Spalding. And my parents would be like, "Are you nuts? Here's a

00:09:52 ◼   ► $17 basketball." I'd be like, "But it's made out of rubber."

00:09:54 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:09:55 ◼   ► Yeah. And now the kids work for Apple Watches. That's cute.

00:09:59 ◼   ► He desperately wants one.

00:10:01 ◼   ► But I do wonder, I wonder who that's really useful for. I mean, for kids. I wonder what

00:10:07 ◼   ► the use case is going to be for them.

00:10:10 ◼   ► Well, we can get into that, but I'm again, it's speculative and it's certainly and there's

00:10:16 ◼   ► you know, clearly socio economic implications of the idea of a school where a bunch of the

00:10:22 ◼   ► kids have $400 Apple watches.

00:10:26 ◼   ► But in that world, I think that the communication stuff is going to be huge.

00:10:30 ◼   ► Right, because they have a lot.

00:10:34 ◼   ► I think it's, how would you say it was 11 11?

00:10:37 ◼   ► Eleven, yeah I mean you're not in, they have all these kiddie like smartwatches I

00:10:43 ◼   ► guess that's what they're called but you know they are sort of the trackers that have

00:10:47 ◼   ► the built-in GPS and stuff like that.

00:10:49 ◼   ► I mean it seems like that's probably not the right age range for something like this.

00:10:56 ◼   ► And in terms of communication obviously it would be great for parents right, keeping

00:11:01 ◼   ► tabs on their kids, making sure they see the like alerts or something like that but I don't

00:11:06 ◼   ► know if it it spans into that tracking type of thing yeah it's no more so than

00:11:12 ◼   ► having a phone I think it's on right but that's you know and he's in fifth grade

00:11:18 ◼   ► I can't even imagine what it's like with the girls who are clearly more advanced

00:11:23 ◼   ► socially than the boys right but even with his friends there's the texting is

00:11:29 ◼   ► really taken off this year like fifth grade seems to be where the boys in his

00:11:33 ◼   ► class and really taken off with the texting and I don't even pay attention

00:11:37 ◼   ► to it my wife does just to make sure it's you know you know nothing

00:11:41 ◼   ► inappropriate or whatever but it just seems inscrutable it's like gibberish

00:11:45 ◼   ► it's like it's like a foreign language well that well that brings me to the

00:11:51 ◼   ► best part of your review your view is great but I have to say the best part of

00:11:54 ◼   ► your review is your your teen romance at the end which is also the part that got

00:11:59 ◼   ► the most like you've you've freaking serious this is a bunch of crap you know

00:12:04 ◼   ► you either can see you can either foresee you're the type of person who

00:12:07 ◼   ► can see that scenario or you're not and the people who cannot see it think that

00:12:11 ◼   ► I'm you know that I you know I don't know drank too much rose wine or

00:12:14 ◼   ► whatever when I wrote that part but I meant it seriously I really did I mean I

00:12:21 ◼   ► think if if anything I mean do you think years ago we could have first seen us

00:12:26 ◼   ► communicating at all with emoji?

00:12:28 ◼   ► No.

00:12:29 ◼   ► I mean, right?

00:12:30 ◼   ► Like that, I mean, as crazy as some of those graphs sounded and as crazy as some of these

00:12:35 ◼   ► like emoticons that they put on here and as much as I sort of made fun of them a little

00:12:39 ◼   ► bit, you just really don't know.

00:12:41 ◼   ► And like, I think it would have sounded crazy to us a number of years ago that like, we

00:12:46 ◼   ► would all be texting in emojis and sometimes complete sentences in them and people understand

00:12:51 ◼   ► that.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Like, that idea is kind of crazy, and I certainly think that visual way of communicating with each other,

00:12:59 ◼   ► whether it's photos or creepy mime hands or creepy heart rates,

00:13:05 ◼   ► could certainly be way bigger than we actually think it might be.

00:13:09 ◼   ► But I think you were totally right to say that it might appeal to a younger demographic,

00:13:15 ◼   ► or it just might turn into something that like becomes this language amongst a different

00:13:22 ◼   ► sort of generation? Maybe just shows how old we are.

00:13:25 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:13:26 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:13:27 ◼   ► That's exactly the sort of thing I was trying to get at and I believe it. So this is a true

00:13:30 ◼   ► story. So my wife and I grew up together. We were literally in the same kindergarten

00:13:35 ◼   ► class. And in high school, at one point, where we would one way we would more or less flirt

00:13:42 ◼   ► with each other, is we just had a system—we had the same math classes—and we had a system

00:13:48 ◼   ► where I would, I had like a, I think it was a Casio, but it was the type of calculator

00:13:54 ◼   ► that someone in AP Calculus in 1989 or '90 would have. It had a whole bunch of buttons

00:14:00 ◼   ► and it had memory and it had a way to actually put characters in there. So we had this complicated

00:14:06 ◼   ► system of letters and numbers to make letter, you know, to make notes. And it was incredibly

00:14:12 ◼   ► cryptic. But then we would just swap calculators and we'd have notes for each other. And it

00:14:17 ◼   ► was super, you know, it wasn't, you couldn't actually type, it didn't have A to Z, so you

00:14:22 ◼   ► had to skip certain things. But it felt like it was foolproof because anybody, you know,

00:14:29 ◼   ► like if a teacher caught us, all it looked like is we were swapping calculators. And

00:14:32 ◼   ► And even if they saw what was on the screen, they wouldn't be able to understand it.

00:14:37 ◼   ► And at…

00:14:38 ◼   ► What grade were you guys in?

00:14:39 ◼   ► Oh my…

00:14:40 ◼   ► This must be like 11th and 12th grade.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:14:43 ◼   ► That's amazing.

00:14:44 ◼   ► It's…

00:14:45 ◼   ► We talked…

00:14:46 ◼   ► We were, you know, we actually were…

00:14:47 ◼   ► Hadn't thought about it in years, but we talked about it in the context of Apple Watch

00:14:50 ◼   ► and, you know, what we would have done if we had Apple Watches when we were in 11th

00:14:54 ◼   ► and 12th grade.

00:14:56 ◼   ► Right.

00:14:57 ◼   ► Right.

00:14:58 ◼   ► Huh.

00:14:59 ◼   ► I mean, it's also…

00:15:00 ◼   ► It's that sort of slide…

00:15:02 ◼   ► three I'll get a count I think that's three is it three let me see here oh yes

00:15:06 ◼   ► my editor trying to get me on the phone right now sorry I need to pause this

00:15:11 ◼   ► podcast right now that's fine no I don't I don't really if you did you'd be fine

00:15:18 ◼   ► wait was that me that was me oh my god another one just pop that wasn't you I

00:15:24 ◼   ► mind silent because I have my headphones on too so if I'm hearing them I think

00:15:28 ◼   ► I think I'm hearing him through my mic.

00:15:33 ◼   ► Yeah I'm keeping this on, I think this is great.

00:15:35 ◼   ► People can get a real idea of how many alerts I get.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Yeah, back to your, that's an amazing story.

00:15:41 ◼   ► I mean yeah, I think like there's also this idea of like sort of slyly communicating with

00:15:47 ◼   ► someone when nobody else knows, right?

00:15:49 ◼   ► And so like you were describing with the calculator or someone who's you know in a movie theater

00:15:54 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:15:56 ◼   ► It could be, it could certainly be interesting.

00:15:57 ◼   ► I think yeah, I mean I made some sarcastic comments about the certain emojis, but they're

00:16:04 ◼   ► definitely fun.

00:16:05 ◼   ► There is a bootstrapping issue with it, whether it's teenagers or whatever, which is that

00:16:13 ◼   ► the most innovative ways to communicate, the drawings, the taps, the heartbeats, are only

00:16:19 ◼   ► watch to watch.

00:16:20 ◼   ► And so the bootstrapping issue is it only works if the person you want to send these

00:16:24 ◼   ► to also has a watch.

00:16:26 ◼   ► And it's weird.

00:16:27 ◼   ► And so a bunch of people wrote to me after my review came up and they said, "For this

00:16:31 ◼   ► particular case, I'm surprised Apple didn't give you two so that you could have your wife

00:16:36 ◼   ► wear one and then you could try these things out."

00:16:38 ◼   ► And they're like, "So how did you try those things?"

00:16:41 ◼   ► And the answer is we're sending taps and stuff to people at Apple, PR people and product

00:16:49 ◼   ► marketing people.

00:16:51 ◼   ► I did not, I will say this, I found it weird enough that I didn't want to send my heartbeat

00:16:56 ◼   ► to anybody because it felt, I don't know, it just was like a little, I don't know,

00:17:02 ◼   ► just didn't feel right.

00:17:03 ◼   ► A little too personal?

00:17:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:06 ◼   ► I mean, I've been sending my heart rate to, my heartbeat to Neelay Patel for like two

00:17:08 ◼   ► weeks now and I think it's really brought us closer together.

00:17:12 ◼   ► That should have sent mine to Neelay too.

00:17:13 ◼   ► That's what I should have done.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:15 ◼   ► I think we are really, we've gotten to know each other on another level.

00:17:19 ◼   ► So –

00:17:20 ◼   ► I sent tabs to you and you ignored me.

00:17:23 ◼   ► Did you not get them?

00:17:24 ◼   ► Did you miss my tabs?

00:17:25 ◼   ► Oh, man.

00:17:26 ◼   ► greatest diss now of the say I just ignored your taps get out of my face

00:17:33 ◼   ► taps I don't think I knew they were from you oh maybe they came from like a weird

00:17:39 ◼   ► phone number maybe it was my phone number and I mean I do like what what's

00:17:43 ◼   ► your area to six seven I don't think I got that yeah because that's one thing

00:17:48 ◼   ► about them the the the other thing about all three of the watch specific

00:17:53 ◼   ► communications, the doodles, the taps, the heartbeats is they are ephemeral. And

00:18:00 ◼   ► right.

00:18:00 ◼   ► You so another there's there is no record of them. There's no way to go back and replay

00:18:06 ◼   ► them. So there's a sort of snap chattyness ephemeral quality to them. There is no record

00:18:12 ◼   ► of them. You know, so

00:18:14 ◼   ► well, they show up in your notifications. Like you can go access them after the fact.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Yeah, but then once you play it, it's gone.

00:18:20 ◼   ► Yeah, right, it's gone.

00:18:23 ◼   ► But I don't even think I got that from you.

00:18:26 ◼   ► Did you doodle or you just…

00:18:27 ◼   ► I just sent you some taps.

00:18:28 ◼   ► I'll send you some taps right now.

00:18:30 ◼   ► Send me some taps.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think I even have your cell phone number.

00:18:35 ◼   ► I guess you do need it.

00:18:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:37 ◼   ► You need iCloud, right?

00:18:38 ◼   ► Yes.

00:18:39 ◼   ► I also sort of broke my digital crown.

00:18:41 ◼   ► Really?

00:18:42 ◼   ► How?

00:18:43 ◼   ► You know in that scene in the video when I got some toothpaste up up tapped tapped you tapped you

00:18:50 ◼   ► There we go blue taps blue taps, yeah, that's me

00:18:55 ◼   ► I'm mr. Blue taps. I'm gonna add I'm not gonna block I'm gonna add

00:19:00 ◼   ► Also, like what can you really risk realistically doodle on this screen other than like high and a flower or a heart or a

00:19:13 ◼   ► I'm not going to say what I would have done if I was a teenager, but yeah.

00:19:21 ◼   ► It's funny though, I guess I didn't have your phone number, but now they're sending it as…

00:19:25 ◼   ► right, and there it is, Joanna sent me a green hi.

00:19:31 ◼   ► So I should add, but I've got to add it here.

00:19:36 ◼   ► I think people really appreciate this conversation right now.

00:19:38 ◼   ► - Well, I don't know, I think that it's,

00:19:40 ◼   ► it's, I don't know what it is.

00:19:46 ◼   ► It makes for a weird podcast,

00:19:48 ◼   ► but I feel like it's very hard to,

00:19:50 ◼   ► it's hard to, it's really hard to write about

00:19:52 ◼   ► and maybe it's easier to talk about.

00:19:54 ◼   ► - All right, if you're quiet enough,

00:19:56 ◼   ► maybe everyone can hear my heartbeat.

00:19:58 ◼   ► - Right.

00:19:59 ◼   ► - I don't know, but I feel we're close enough, John,

00:20:05 ◼   ► that I could send you my heartbeat right now.

00:20:06 ◼   ► - Sure, well, I got it.

00:20:07 ◼   ► - I got it. - Let's see if you feel

00:20:08 ◼   ► that way. - I do have it.

00:20:09 ◼   ► - Let's see if you feel that way to return that.

00:20:12 ◼   ► And I will understand if you don't, but I won't really.

00:20:15 ◼   ► - Oh, I guess, see now I gave,

00:20:22 ◼   ► see this is where I started, I still get mixed up.

00:20:23 ◼   ► I gave it a force tap and it wanted me to.

00:20:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, I mean, it's not, it's,

00:20:29 ◼   ► I have had a lot hard time getting it

00:20:31 ◼   ► to catch my heartbeat when I do that.

00:20:33 ◼   ► 'Cause it's not like, also I have the smaller screen,

00:20:36 ◼   ► so I'm putting two fingers on the screen which basically takes up the whole screen.

00:20:43 ◼   ► He did it everybody.

00:20:44 ◼   ► He sent me his heartbeat.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I don't know if you can hear it.

00:20:52 ◼   ► No, I think it's hard to hear.

00:20:54 ◼   ► Well who knows.

00:20:55 ◼   ► We had to like when we filmed the video we stuck the mic in it and actually got it but

00:20:59 ◼   ► that to me though I'm telling you that to me is one that's going to work.

00:21:03 ◼   ► I think that people are going to use it.

00:21:06 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

00:21:08 ◼   ► It's just a way of saying, hey, I'm thinking about you.

00:21:10 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:21:12 ◼   ► Oh, certainly if it's someone close to you.

00:21:16 ◼   ► Right.

00:21:17 ◼   ► But I think that's something that I didn't get to talk about in my review and something

00:21:22 ◼   ► I've been thinking about.

00:21:23 ◼   ► As more and more people wear these, sort of like the iPhone, right?

00:21:27 ◼   ► The iPhone became a really powerful tool as more and more people got them, right?

00:21:31 ◼   ► Not only because more apps came out, but even just in terms of communicating, iMessage was

00:21:35 ◼   ► one thing I think like to me iMessage is such a huge part of my life even though I don't

00:21:39 ◼   ► really think about it, but it's part of the thing that sort of that's how I communicate

00:21:44 ◼   ► with everyone all day long, my colleagues, my friends, my family. And the same sort of

00:21:50 ◼   ► thing with the watch, right? Like if more and more people have this, there might be,

00:21:54 ◼   ► there are going to become these ways where we can connect to those other people that

00:21:57 ◼   ► have them. And actually one thing I've been thinking about and you know I wrote this piece

00:22:01 ◼   ► a couple like a year ago a year ago now about business cards and like I want

00:22:07 ◼   ► there to be some easy way where if you see another person with an Apple watch

00:22:10 ◼   ► you can easily sort of transmit information or their contact information

00:22:14 ◼   ► like a handshake you know what I've been saying about this for years ever since

00:22:19 ◼   ► the iPhone came out like one of the weird things about the iPhone is that

00:22:22 ◼   ► there's nothing like that and the Newton had it and I know people mock the Newton

00:22:27 ◼   ► but the Newton had a thing where if you met somebody else who had a Newton all

00:22:30 ◼   ► all you had to do was point your IR ports at each other

00:22:33 ◼   ► and it was like two taps away

00:22:35 ◼   ► and you'd exchange contact cards.

00:22:37 ◼   ► And it was, you know, say what you want about the new,

00:22:41 ◼   ► it was one of the things that worked great.

00:22:43 ◼   ► And it seemed like something--

00:22:44 ◼   ► - I love the idea of pointing your IR ports together.

00:22:47 ◼   ► - It seemed like something you should be able to do

00:22:49 ◼   ► and you could do it and it worked.

00:22:50 ◼   ► And yet here we are in 2015 and you still can't do it with,

00:22:53 ◼   ► even if you both have iPhones, let alone--

00:22:55 ◼   ► - No. - Some way to do it

00:22:56 ◼   ► where it would work with anybody's phone.

00:22:58 ◼   ► And that was one of the things I said about the iPhone 6 when it came out with NFC was,

00:23:03 ◼   ► okay it's great for payments but I kind of wish there were more things you could do when

00:23:07 ◼   ► you put this in contact with another phone.

00:23:09 ◼   ► And obviously Android's done some things with their Beam and no one really uses that, but

00:23:14 ◼   ► it seems like, especially with Apple products and iPhones, there is this sort of community

00:23:19 ◼   ► around using the same thing.

00:23:23 ◼   ► It just seems like I would love it if I could shake someone's hand and we could exchange

00:23:27 ◼   ► contact info.

00:23:28 ◼   ► I also see so much potential in the social realm for this.

00:23:33 ◼   ► As much as I see it as being a social norm disruptor, and I have a lot of thoughts about

00:23:38 ◼   ► that, but I think for me, I also want some sort of app that I go to a party or I go to

00:23:44 ◼   ► a meeting and it tells me who that person is.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Again, lots of privacy concerns about that, but I would love it if I'm at CES or some

00:23:53 ◼   ► conference and someone comes up to me and says, "Joanna, it's so great to see you.

00:23:56 ◼   ► person's wearing an Apple watch I'm wearing an Apple watch couldn't it say

00:24:00 ◼   ► oh yeah that's John Gruber right it seems like I mean there's a lot of

00:24:07 ◼   ► privacy concerns but it's just like one thing that I could really use in my life

00:24:10 ◼   ► yeah I don't know there could be some kind of way where it would be sort of

00:24:15 ◼   ► like airdrop where with airdrop you can say contacts only or you can say

00:24:21 ◼   ► everyone and then if you were in a situation like you know like a cocktail

00:24:28 ◼   ► party or some kind of you're you know you're at a conference or a post of

00:24:34 ◼   ► event press thing and you you're mingling but you know you want to meet

00:24:38 ◼   ► people you could set you could change it to you know open to anybody and then

00:24:42 ◼   ► turn it off or even it could even be like the sort of thing where it would it

00:24:46 ◼   ► would say like hey for how long like maybe for the next two hours and then go

00:24:50 ◼   ► back to being contacts only it seems like it's you know like airdrop shows

00:24:54 ◼   ► how you can kind of solve that sort of issue though where yeah you know you may

00:24:59 ◼   ► not want to be open to the general public all the time but temporarily you

00:25:02 ◼   ► might want to be actually at the Apple watch launch event the one in March I

00:25:09 ◼   ► forget like here I I forget his name somebody somebody airdropped me a photo

00:25:15 ◼   ► of them playing with the new MacBook and

00:25:18 ◼   ► It just like showed up because I guess I had my thing on everyone and I wouldn't think about it

00:25:23 ◼   ► I accepted it like it said like so-and-so wants to airdrop you a photo and I accepted it and it was it was fun

00:25:29 ◼   ► I mean in some ways I could see like I didn't really know what I was gonna get before I opened it. So

00:25:33 ◼   ► yeah, but

00:25:36 ◼   ► it's

00:25:37 ◼   ► It's definitely fun

00:25:39 ◼   ► Let me those are my deep thoughts on that

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00:28:35 ◼   ► I might have been joking.

00:28:37 ◼   ► I mean, it looks like, okay, I just figured out what I'm getting my mom for Mother's Day.

00:28:42 ◼   ► I told my mom that after we got married this year, that pretty much for the next 10 years,

00:28:47 ◼   ► she was going to get photos from the wedding.

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00:28:57 ◼   ► So this is like a great way.

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00:29:02 ◼   ► look at sunglass.

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00:29:07 ◼   ► And also I want to get one for my office.

00:29:09 ◼   ► They're really, really great stuff.

00:29:11 ◼   ► One of the things that struck me about your review still talking about the watch and something

00:29:15 ◼   ► that we're not talking about fracture, but something that I couldn't test I had no I

00:29:19 ◼   ► just because I don't know, but how accurate some of the heartbeat like the heartbeat stuff

00:29:24 ◼   ► is. And I thought that was really interesting because you have a dedicated heartbeat monitor

00:29:30 ◼   ► that you strap it around your chest and then you can wear it when you work out. And you've

00:29:35 ◼   ► done tests before for the journal. What was your conclusion? It was the closest thing

00:29:42 ◼   ► you've seen to the accuracy of an EKG?

00:29:44 ◼   ► Yeah. So a couple of months ago, I did this huge project and I'm actually so happy I did

00:29:49 ◼   ► it. At the time, no one really cared. But now, it was actually really looking back on

00:29:53 ◼   ► and it was something I'm really happy we did.

00:29:56 ◼   ► I looked at, so it was when the Microsoft band came out,

00:29:58 ◼   ► Basis' band had just come out,

00:30:00 ◼   ► and it's just like, I kept getting these readings

00:30:03 ◼   ► where it was like, yeah, I certainly don't think

00:30:05 ◼   ► my heart rate is at 120 right now.

00:30:07 ◼   ► It was all like walking to work.

00:30:09 ◼   ► And I actually, at some points, was like,

00:30:10 ◼   ► maybe there's something wrong with my heart.

00:30:12 ◼   ► So anyway, I had started testing these,

00:30:15 ◼   ► and so I went to my general practitioner

00:30:17 ◼   ► who actually happens to also be a cardiologist,

00:30:20 ◼   ► and she did a whole full heart rate work,

00:30:22 ◼   ► a heart workup and turns out I'm perfectly fine,

00:30:25 ◼   ► which was very, very good to know.

00:30:26 ◼   ► And she also, we also did an EKG where you sort of,

00:30:30 ◼   ► you know, run on the treadmill

00:30:31 ◼   ► and have all these electrodes.

00:30:33 ◼   ► So I don't even know if that's the right term

00:30:35 ◼   ► hooked up to your chest and your back and all over you.

00:30:38 ◼   ► - I think there are electrodes.

00:30:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think that, yeah, it sounds about right.

00:30:42 ◼   ► Anyway, so she had that, right?

00:30:45 ◼   ► And so that was sort of the constant.

00:30:46 ◼   ► And I then also used at the same time,

00:30:49 ◼   ► compared the Microsoft band, the Basis band,

00:30:52 ◼   ► a Polar chest strap monitor,

00:30:56 ◼   ► and I believe the Fitbit, was the other one that I used?

00:31:00 ◼   ► I should pull up this article.

00:31:02 ◼   ► And found that, one of the things we found

00:31:05 ◼   ► across all of them was that just,

00:31:06 ◼   ► it took them quite a while to catch up

00:31:08 ◼   ► to what my heart rate actually was.

00:31:11 ◼   ► And so that was kind of the problem that I was seeing

00:31:13 ◼   ► when I'd see these irregularities.

00:31:16 ◼   ► If it would say I was at 120 beats per minute,

00:31:18 ◼   ► That might have been where I was actually like 10 minutes ago,

00:31:21 ◼   ► or 20-- it just wasn't catching up in real time.

00:31:25 ◼   ► And so really, I sort of called out these companies

00:31:29 ◼   ► for saying, this is unacceptable.

00:31:31 ◼   ► Like, you shouldn't be surfacing information

00:31:33 ◼   ► to people that just isn't right.

00:31:36 ◼   ► And so the thing that did come the closest to the EKG

00:31:39 ◼   ► was a polar chest strap monitor.

00:31:43 ◼   ► I'll pull up the actual one right now.

00:31:45 ◼   ► the H7, which works with their polar loop band.

00:31:48 ◼   ► And so that was like really, really, really in line

00:31:51 ◼   ► with what I was seeing with the EKG.

00:31:53 ◼   ► And so when I was testing the Apple Watch,

00:31:56 ◼   ► I compared the Apple Watch during a cycling class

00:31:59 ◼   ► and during a few runs to that same polar chest strap monitor

00:32:03 ◼   ► and found that during those workouts,

00:32:06 ◼   ► it was actually really in line.

00:32:08 ◼   ► It was only a couple beats off, usually in the range of five,

00:32:11 ◼   ► from the polar.

00:32:13 ◼   ► And so that was really impressive to me.

00:32:16 ◼   ► The big thing that Apple says they're doing, right,

00:32:18 ◼   ► is they've got a really good fit with the sport band on.

00:32:22 ◼   ► They also say their algorithms are sort of working

00:32:25 ◼   ► to flush out things that might not be right.

00:32:28 ◼   ► And so that, you know, also when you're working out,

00:32:32 ◼   ► it's constantly taking the heart rate

00:32:34 ◼   ► versus when you're not working out,

00:32:36 ◼   ► it's taking it every 10 minutes.

00:32:37 ◼   ► So I definitely did notice at times,

00:32:39 ◼   ► I'd look down at the glances and see, okay, my heart rate,

00:32:43 ◼   ► Like for instance right now, it says it's 61 beats per minute.

00:32:46 ◼   ► You know, that's probably seems about right.

00:32:49 ◼   ► My resting heart rate's around 55 beats per minute.

00:32:53 ◼   ► But now it's measuring, so it could be off.

00:32:55 ◼   ► And I'm also talking quickly now, so it could be higher.

00:32:58 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, that was something

00:33:01 ◼   ► I wanted to make sure was right.

00:33:03 ◼   ► And I think Apple did a really good job

00:33:05 ◼   ► of getting that aspect right.

00:33:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:08 ◼   ► I think I'm in bad shape, because mine's usually

00:33:10 ◼   ► around 70 which seems high for a resting pulse. I think it's so I think that's

00:33:16 ◼   ► okay I mean mine fluctuates like throughout the day of normal from sort

00:33:20 ◼   ► of being 50 to 80 something you know it just depends on your nerves depends on

00:33:26 ◼   ► if you've walked around it can depend on a lot of things. I just tried it right now

00:33:29 ◼   ► 69 68 just went down yeah I'm relaxing. Right yeah I relaxed yeah I mean I know

00:33:38 ◼   ► That was a big thing for me going into this

00:33:40 ◼   ► because I have been looking for a device

00:33:42 ◼   ► that I can wear all day long and also work out with.

00:33:45 ◼   ► And so, yes, you've got to switch this band,

00:33:49 ◼   ► which is a little bit annoying,

00:33:51 ◼   ► especially given what I talked about

00:33:52 ◼   ► with my sport band thing, but that's, I mean,

00:33:54 ◼   ► I can't say that's gonna affect too many people.

00:33:57 ◼   ► And Apple seems to get around it.

00:33:59 ◼   ► My big thing with it is just,

00:34:01 ◼   ► it's not doing enough with that data yet.

00:34:03 ◼   ► And that's, I think, where the potential of the platform is.

00:34:07 ◼   ► - We can go there, I think we should talk about it.

00:34:08 ◼   ► 'Cause it's, to me, this is the part that I explored

00:34:11 ◼   ► the least in my review, because I'm not into fitness.

00:34:14 ◼   ► And combined with that, even just little things,

00:34:16 ◼   ► like with this stupid eye thing I've got,

00:34:18 ◼   ► until, actually just until yesterday,

00:34:20 ◼   ► I was restricted from any kind of vigorous workout.

00:34:23 ◼   ► Like, so all I could do, the only thing I was allowed to do

00:34:25 ◼   ► was walk, which is one of the activities you can do.

00:34:29 ◼   ► And I do realize, you know, whether you're older,

00:34:30 ◼   ► or you have other conditions, maybe a outdoor walk

00:34:35 ◼   ► is the most vigorous thing you can do.

00:34:37 ◼   ► So it's good that it's on the watch,

00:34:38 ◼   ► but it really felt like as a reviewer,

00:34:40 ◼   ► I was doing very little credit to it

00:34:41 ◼   ► as a fitness device by going for a walk.

00:34:46 ◼   ► - No, I mean, people go for walks.

00:34:47 ◼   ► - I know, but I felt like there's more I could have done.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I'm looking. - Yeah.

00:34:51 ◼   ► - But I do feel, I feel like it's not just lip service

00:34:57 ◼   ► from Apple that they took it seriously as a fitness device.

00:35:00 ◼   ► Like, I feel like them billing it as a full one third

00:35:04 ◼   ► of their primary use cases for it,

00:35:06 ◼   ► they're totally serious about it.

00:35:08 ◼   ► Like could not be more serious

00:35:10 ◼   ► that it's not just a watch that happens

00:35:13 ◼   ► to do some of the fitness stuff haphazardly,

00:35:15 ◼   ► like they are dead serious about,

00:35:17 ◼   ► even if the main thing you're looking for

00:35:21 ◼   ► is a fitness tracking device,

00:35:23 ◼   ► Apple Watch is the thing that you should,

00:35:25 ◼   ► is something you should consider.

00:35:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, and that's something I shared in my review.

00:35:31 ◼   ► I felt when I started tackling this device,

00:35:33 ◼   ► like you sort of have to make it your own

00:35:35 ◼   ► and it is very confusing to me at a lot of points.

00:35:39 ◼   ► There's so much going on.

00:35:40 ◼   ► And one of the things I knew I wanted it to be

00:35:42 ◼   ► was a fitness tracker,

00:35:43 ◼   ► both as sort of like a everyday fitness tracker

00:35:47 ◼   ► throughout my day,

00:35:48 ◼   ► but also for these exercise classes

00:35:51 ◼   ► that I do a couple of times a week

00:35:52 ◼   ► and have gotten really into.

00:35:54 ◼   ► So like I really wanted to road test it in those

00:35:57 ◼   ► and I felt like, yeah, this thing's great.

00:35:59 ◼   ► And that's ultimately why I'm gonna buy the sport

00:36:01 ◼   ► because I actually, again, yesterday went to

00:36:03 ◼   ► another class and just loved having it on, loved having sort of a baseline and knowing

00:36:08 ◼   ► now as I collect more and more data where I'm sort of working hard or not hard.

00:36:14 ◼   ► And that's, I mean, that's again about the potential.

00:36:16 ◼   ► I think there's a lot Apple could really do with that information.

00:36:19 ◼   ► The activity app to me seems like a very, very basic Gen 1 product.

00:36:24 ◼   ► And whether Apple decides to use that data or some other third party, there's a lot

00:36:29 ◼   ► of potential there.

00:36:31 ◼   ► The joys of urban living.

00:36:32 ◼   ► Yeah, you like that?

00:36:34 ◼   ► I have it a lot.

00:36:36 ◼   ► I live on a street where the ambulances go by all the time.

00:36:38 ◼   ► So the talk show is usually riddled with ambulances.

00:36:42 ◼   ► One of the...

00:36:43 ◼   ► Yeah, well, look, New York, we have not been able to open the windows here for months.

00:36:47 ◼   ► And so the window is open and I'm not closing it.

00:36:50 ◼   ► But yeah, it's amazing.

00:36:51 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, it's happy to say I can actually live a decent life right now in New York without

00:36:57 ◼   ► it being freezing cold.

00:37:00 ◼   ► open our windows like with the temperature we're like people in California would would

00:37:05 ◼   ► be like wearing coats. Right right in the heat up. I think some of the interesting stuff

00:37:11 ◼   ► that Apple has done so I know the biggest knock against this the first Apple Watch is

00:37:18 ◼   ► the lack of or from a fitness perspective is the lack of GPS. People who run want GPS

00:37:23 ◼   ► tracking people who cycle definitely want GPS tracking. And I have friends who are serious

00:37:29 ◼   ► about both things and they use you know whatever devices they do use they do

00:37:33 ◼   ► things where they get like a map that shows them exactly where they went at

00:37:36 ◼   ► what pace and that's important to them and anything that doesn't have GPS isn't

00:37:41 ◼   ► gonna replace what they've already got and that means that they're stuck still

00:37:45 ◼   ► carrying their iPhone around with them and if you're already carrying your

00:37:48 ◼   ► iPhone around for your cycling or for your running then what's the point of

00:37:51 ◼   ► even having to watch it doesn't doesn't make a difference well there's some

00:37:54 ◼   ► little things right it's gonna give you a much it's gonna give you a heartbeat

00:37:57 ◼   ► heartbeat monitoring that you don't get from the phone. But

00:38:02 ◼   ► that's definitely a knock. But they've tried to do the way

00:38:05 ◼   ► they've explained and I don't know how accurate it is, but

00:38:06 ◼   ► that if you go for a run with your phone a couple times, and

00:38:12 ◼   ► it knows how tall you are, you've entered in your height

00:38:14 ◼   ► and your weight. It kind of gets a sense of your stride, you do a

00:38:18 ◼   ► workout, you say I'm going to go for a run and you do it with

00:38:21 ◼   ► your phone and it has GPS, then you can start doing it without

00:38:25 ◼   ► your phone and it extrapolates it knows well we know what it you know his stride

00:38:30 ◼   ► is and we know how tall he is how much he weighs and so it makes some guesses

00:38:34 ◼   ► it's still not going to give you a map without GPS but it's going to give you a

00:38:37 ◼   ► much better sense of the distance that you've gone

00:38:39 ◼   ► yeah and I found that to be pretty accurate after I'd gone for like last I

00:38:43 ◼   ► mean the week of testing this thing and all the craziness I like was basically

00:38:48 ◼   ► going for like two runs a day plus a spinning class which was just insane and

00:38:53 ◼   ► And I found one of the runs I did,

00:38:56 ◼   ► I just sort of knew how long the path was.

00:38:59 ◼   ► And so when I just took the watch on the run,

00:39:03 ◼   ► and it's this experience I have talked about now

00:39:05 ◼   ► in a number of podcasts and talked about in the review,

00:39:08 ◼   ► just took the watch for a run,

00:39:09 ◼   ► it pretty much very, it was very, very close to saying

00:39:13 ◼   ► that it was a two mile run, which I knew it pretty much was.

00:39:16 ◼   ► And I thought that experience was great

00:39:20 ◼   ► because I had just left with the watch.

00:39:22 ◼   ► I preloaded the watch with a playlist,

00:39:24 ◼   ► which was a little bit of a clunky experience,

00:39:26 ◼   ► but I got it to work.

00:39:27 ◼   ► I had a Bluetooth headset paired to it,

00:39:30 ◼   ► and then I stopped at Whole Foods,

00:39:32 ◼   ► bought a coffee and water, and ran home,

00:39:34 ◼   ► which was like just this really freeing experience

00:39:37 ◼   ► because I actually hate having my phone with me when I run.

00:39:40 ◼   ► - Same here, same here.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I even said at the piece,

00:39:44 ◼   ► I was like, what I think the Apple Watch can disrupt,

00:39:46 ◼   ► like working out as if like what the iPod did

00:39:50 ◼   ► when we had to run with disk, you know?

00:39:52 ◼   ► like it was we used to have to run with these clunky things

00:39:55 ◼   ► and yes, it's crazy like, oh, yeah, we're complaining

00:39:57 ◼   ► about a phone we have to hold or put on our arm,

00:39:59 ◼   ► but it is, it's annoying.

00:40:01 ◼   ► So yeah, that was like a great experience for me.

00:40:05 ◼   ► - I think that a Discman might be the last portable Sony

00:40:08 ◼   ► product that I've ever bought, I think.

00:40:11 ◼   ► And I remember being so happy with it because it didn't skip

00:40:14 ◼   ► that Sony had done this remarkable engineering

00:40:16 ◼   ► that you could go running with a spinning CD

00:40:19 ◼   ► and it didn't skip, which was amazing at the time.

00:40:21 ◼   ► - You'd have those crazy plastic things on the side,

00:40:24 ◼   ► you'd like enclose it.

00:40:26 ◼   ► - I remember reading about it.

00:40:28 ◼   ► This is pre-daring fireball, way pre-daring.

00:40:30 ◼   ► I mean, this must've been late 90s or something,

00:40:31 ◼   ► but I remember reading about how they did it

00:40:33 ◼   ► and it was pretty cool.

00:40:34 ◼   ► It was a little bit of buffering

00:40:35 ◼   ► and a little bit of like shock absorption,

00:40:38 ◼   ► to keep the thing on, but it was a crazy achievement.

00:40:42 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, even so, even though it didn't skip,

00:40:46 ◼   ► it was a crazy large device to have to be saddled with

00:40:49 ◼   ► while going for a run.

00:40:51 ◼   ► - Right, yeah.

00:40:53 ◼   ► - And the phone still feels that way.

00:40:54 ◼   ► - The phone feels that way.

00:40:55 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, it's like,

00:40:58 ◼   ► I mean, it does sound like a first world problem for sure,

00:41:01 ◼   ► but it's just nice to have both hands.

00:41:04 ◼   ► And like, I mean, also this is the first time

00:41:07 ◼   ► I really started running with the Bluetooth headset

00:41:10 ◼   ► that actually stuck in like in my ears.

00:41:12 ◼   ► I've been using these beats.

00:41:14 ◼   ► What are they called?

00:41:15 ◼   ► Power beats.

00:41:16 ◼   ► - I think I got the same ones.

00:41:17 ◼   ► Do they have a red cable?

00:41:19 ◼   ► They do.

00:41:20 ◼   ► That's the ones I got those.

00:41:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I feel like a little bit of a douchebag when I run with them.

00:41:25 ◼   ► But you know,

00:41:26 ◼   ► you always look like I mean, there's no way to look good.

00:41:27 ◼   ► I always look like a douchebag.

00:41:29 ◼   ► You're right.

00:41:30 ◼   ► There's nothing you can do that to not look stupid when you're running.

00:41:34 ◼   ► I mean, you know, right?

00:41:36 ◼   ► Everybody's wearing tight clothes, and you got something in your ears.

00:41:38 ◼   ► Now I got the same one speech.

00:41:40 ◼   ► The only thing I don't like about him is the latency and then but I did the research beforehand

00:41:44 ◼   ► and everybody says they all have the latency.

00:41:46 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:41:47 ◼   ► Exactly. I mean and like the battery life is really good on them. I haven't charged it for like two weeks

00:41:51 ◼   ► Like a week and a half now. I mean, I guess granted I've only five really set five

00:41:55 ◼   ► It's gotta be more than that is it I don't know it's a fifth one I've heard

00:42:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean so my one of my frustrations with notifications is that if I was using mail on my computer

00:42:07 ◼   ► I wouldn't be getting as many

00:42:09 ◼   ► Right because if I'm open if I have mail open on my iPhone and I'm looking at emails

00:42:16 ◼   ► I don't get them on my phone on my watch as I or at least they don't they fade to the background

00:42:22 ◼   ► You know on my laptop. I use Outlook and they don't write because it's not hooked up to the the

00:42:29 ◼   ► Right. I message whatever

00:42:32 ◼   ► I do think it works. I think that the running with the or you know

00:42:38 ◼   ► I've gone for walks without the phone and with the Bluetooth

00:42:41 ◼   ► And it's freeing it's definitely freeing and and in addition to that and again

00:42:45 ◼   ► this has nothing to do with the watch in particular but it just happened to you

00:42:49 ◼   ► know is the thing that was like well I've got it to test it I have to have

00:42:51 ◼   ► Bluetooth head you know earbuds so I'll buy some finally break down and buy some

00:42:56 ◼   ► it would be just as true if I didn't have the watch but it is it is as

00:43:00 ◼   ► freeing as I expected not to have a cable connecting me to from my ears to

00:43:04 ◼   ► the thing and while working out it's you know or running or whatever it's it's

00:43:09 ◼   ► definitely it it feels like the future they've got to get that somehow

00:43:11 ◼   ► how somebody's got to invent something to get the latency down there.

00:43:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I think the GPS thing not having it in the watch, you know, the Microsoft band

00:43:21 ◼   ► has GPS, and that's what kills the battery.

00:43:26 ◼   ► You know, already the battery life is it takes a big hit when you're working out with this

00:43:31 ◼   ► thing on.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's to me, it's exactly like analogous to the original iPhone not having 3g, which

00:43:39 ◼   ► which was, you know, clearly a lot of the top flight phones in 2007, we're all coming

00:43:43 ◼   ► out with three G and the iPhone didn't. And Apple, I, you know, it was one of the cases

00:43:48 ◼   ► where they were, they just said why they said, well, you know, it would kill the battery.

00:43:53 ◼   ► You know, we don't, we couldn't, we don't, you know, we don't have a way to do it in

00:43:57 ◼   ► a way that sustains the battery life we were hoping for yet. So clearly, it's going to

00:44:02 ◼   ► come I mean, I would say of all the things people are thinking about for future Apple

00:44:07 ◼   ► watch revisions, GPS I think is a sure thing, but it's just a question of battery life.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Right.

00:44:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:15 ◼   ► So you had, here's another thing from your review that was interesting to me, is that

00:44:19 ◼   ► on the days that you exercised, your watch's battery died.

00:44:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:24 ◼   ► I thought that was interesting.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I didn't have a single day where the watch's battery died.

00:44:28 ◼   ► But I have not been working out in any way.

00:44:33 ◼   ► Right.

00:44:34 ◼   ► So I tried to divide up the testing because I knew the last couple of days would be really

00:44:41 ◼   ► not a good indicator of normal life because I'd be shooting video with it so much.

00:44:46 ◼   ► But the first three days I basically made it to the end of the day within the, I'd

00:44:54 ◼   ► say 15% mark and I was fine by the time I went to bed.

00:44:58 ◼   ► But a day I did two workouts, it was pretty much in power reserve mode by 8 p.m.

00:45:07 ◼   ► And one of the things I did during my cycling workout was I did keep the screen on for quite

00:45:12 ◼   ► a bit of time.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And so that really took a hit on it.

00:45:16 ◼   ► The reason I did that was one of the things you talked about in your review, because my

00:45:22 ◼   ► arms are on the cycling bike and I can't, like doing a glance at it doesn't turn the

00:45:30 ◼   ► screen on. I basically kept the screen on for most of the time. I guess I was most of

00:45:34 ◼   ► the time either tapping it or it was just staying on because it knew it was doing something.

00:45:41 ◼   ► But yeah, because I liked having an eye on it to see sort of the accuracy of it.

00:45:46 ◼   ► Pete L

00:45:46 ◼   ► six but yeah what six here's my battery life from the first few days tuesday didn't apply because

00:45:56 ◼   ► that was when i swapped i had to swap the first one they gave me out with the second one because

00:46:01 ◼   ► the taptic engine wasn't working so that doesn't count because i finished i finished the day with

00:46:05 ◼   ► like 70 but it i'd gotten a new watch at like three o'clock uh wednesday 42 thursday five but

00:46:13 ◼   ► But I was up until four in the morning,

00:46:14 ◼   ► and that was a day that I had really, really,

00:46:17 ◼   ► just spent the whole day playing with the watch.

00:46:19 ◼   ► And I never put it into power reserve mode.

00:46:22 ◼   ► I don't know if you can set it

00:46:25 ◼   ► to do it automatically or not,

00:46:26 ◼   ► but the way it's by default is when it gets to 10%,

00:46:29 ◼   ► it gives you a tap and a scary warning,

00:46:33 ◼   ► and it says you're down, your battery's almost out,

00:46:35 ◼   ► do you wanna go to power reserve mode?

00:46:36 ◼   ► And I said no.

00:46:38 ◼   ► And it still only got to five when I went to sleep.

00:46:40 ◼   ► Friday it was over 50%, Saturday 37%,

00:46:45 ◼   ► Sunday which was Easter, which I spent with family,

00:46:50 ◼   ► but I used it a lot, I was testing it,

00:46:52 ◼   ► so it was down to 27%.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Oh, I think I used it for driving directions on Sunday too.

00:46:57 ◼   ► All of that-- - What brightness

00:46:58 ◼   ► did you keep it at?

00:46:59 ◼   ► - I haven't changed the brightness,

00:47:01 ◼   ► so it's at the default.

00:47:02 ◼   ► - So it's in the middle. - Right.

00:47:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I mean--

00:47:07 ◼   ► - Now, here's the big difference.

00:47:08 ◼   ► you have a 38 millimeter one and I have a 42.

00:47:10 ◼   ► And Apple on their website even says

00:47:14 ◼   ► that their listed battery life is for the 38.

00:47:17 ◼   ► And then they say in small print at the bottom of the page

00:47:20 ◼   ► that the 42 gets longer battery life for the obvious reason.

00:47:24 ◼   ► - That's really, I had not even heard that before.

00:47:27 ◼   ► That's crazy, yeah.

00:47:28 ◼   ► That's crazy 'cause I don't, you know,

00:47:31 ◼   ► Jeff Fowler who also reviewed it for the journal,

00:47:33 ◼   ► I think he also said the same, you know,

00:47:36 ◼   ► last through the day.

00:47:37 ◼   ► But yeah, for most days for me, that week of testing, I was down for the count around

00:47:44 ◼   ► 11 by bedtime, 1130, and then the days that I had done some working out had died much

00:47:50 ◼   ► earlier.

00:47:51 ◼   ► And you know, again, during that workout period, which for me usually is a 45-minute spin class,

00:47:59 ◼   ► which is looking at the heart rate all the time, and I had the screen mostly on.

00:48:04 ◼   ► So if you go to Apple Watch's website and go to technology, then it says, "So we gave

00:48:11 ◼   ► it a battery that lasts up to 18 hours," and then there's a footnote.

00:48:14 ◼   ► So here's the footnote.

00:48:15 ◼   ► "Testing conducted by Apple in March 2015 using pre-production Apple Watch and software

00:48:20 ◼   ► paired with an iPhone using pre-production software."

00:48:24 ◼   ► I think what they mean is it was using iOS 8.3, the phone.

00:48:30 ◼   ► life varies by use and configuration actual results will vary actually they

00:48:36 ◼   ► don't say anything about the 42 here hmm I read that somewhere somewhere I read

00:48:41 ◼   ► that the 42 gets longer battery life and it makes sense I think because I think

00:48:45 ◼   ► the battery is bigger compared to the 38 then the screen is bigger in terms of

00:48:50 ◼   ► needing more energy to light up the screen right you know I mean even though

00:48:55 ◼   ► Even on their site they say, you know, six point five hours for workout

00:48:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean it's not abnormal that if you work out more it's tapping all those sensors. It's gonna it's gonna take a hit

00:49:06 ◼   ► But in short I found that concerned pre-release concerns that the thing wasn't going to get through the day was not an issue

00:49:15 ◼   ► Yeah, same here

00:49:18 ◼   ► but on the other hand a lot of people have been asking me does your phone have worse battery life and

00:49:23 ◼   ► I think I didn't do any kind of testing on that and I was also I've been playing with periscope so much and periscope is a

00:49:30 ◼   ► battery killer

00:49:33 ◼   ► I

00:49:35 ◼   ► Anecdotally though. I kind of feel like my iPhone has been getting worse battery life

00:49:38 ◼   ► But I'm still getting through the day without charging

00:49:41 ◼   ► See I never really get through the day without charging I talk on the phone a lot

00:49:46 ◼   ► So I'm not a good person to ask and are you are you in Manhattan most weekdays?

00:49:51 ◼   ► Yeah, so there you go. I mean and I've been in New York a couple times the last a couple weeks and that last week

00:49:57 ◼   ► or two

00:49:58 ◼   ► Because I was in New York to get the phone

00:50:01 ◼   ► I mean to get the watch itself and then I was there over the weekend to see a Yankees game

00:50:08 ◼   ► so I've been in all in and you know you

00:50:11 ◼   ► Manhattan is notoriously bad for your battery on your phone just because you have such a hard time getting a signal and the buildings block

00:50:18 ◼   ► and et cetera, et cetera.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - Right, oh, and I'm the one, like if I'm on a subway,

00:50:21 ◼   ► I'm usually like constantly looking

00:50:23 ◼   ► for the little patch of service.

00:50:24 ◼   ► - I do the same thing.

00:50:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay, right here, right here.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - Hurry up and reload Twitter.

00:50:31 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, exactly.

00:50:33 ◼   ► So yeah, I talk on the phone a lot.

00:50:36 ◼   ► That's why I say like I never make it

00:50:38 ◼   ► through the whole day for a charge

00:50:39 ◼   ► because if I work from home, I'm on the phone all the time.

00:50:42 ◼   ► Yeah, not the best task.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Yeah so it's but you know I think if anything though that most people can expect to get

00:50:52 ◼   ► through the day with their Apple watch.

00:50:54 ◼   ► Yeah absolutely absolutely I mean and especially like I mean there's so much you can do to

00:51:00 ◼   ► I think make it go longer it's actually a really good experiment I should try like how

00:51:04 ◼   ► long turning down the brightness turning on a lot off of a couple of notifications how

00:51:11 ◼   ► long you could go with it I bet you could get into you know a second full day.

00:51:15 ◼   ► I don't know. It's you know, but at least it's a day how annoying do you think it is to have to charge it every night?

00:51:20 ◼   ► I thought about this. I mean

00:51:25 ◼   ► The question for me is like what would I what would it if it was really serving a purpose at night for me? I

00:51:33 ◼   ► think

00:51:36 ◼   ► That would be like the big annoyance

00:51:37 ◼   ► like if I really thought oh this was great for sleep tracking or I

00:51:42 ◼   ► I really loved how it woke me up in the morning

00:51:44 ◼   ► with a gentle vibration on my wrist or something like that.

00:51:47 ◼   ► But it doesn't do those things.

00:51:49 ◼   ► So I don't mind taking it off.

00:51:51 ◼   ► I mean, is it annoying to have another charger?

00:51:53 ◼   ► Yes, I mean, between this and the MacBook

00:51:56 ◼   ► that I was reviewing,

00:51:57 ◼   ► it's like enough with the chargers already.

00:52:00 ◼   ► But yeah, it's not a huge pain to me.

00:52:02 ◼   ► - I feel like I almost cheated

00:52:05 ◼   ► 'cause when I swapped out the first one

00:52:07 ◼   ► that didn't work for the second one,

00:52:09 ◼   ► Apple just said, "If you wanna keep the other charger,

00:52:11 ◼   ► "you can keep the charger."

00:52:12 ◼   ► So I kept the charger. - Oh, that's the classic move.

00:52:13 ◼   ► - So I have to, and I just left it in my bag.

00:52:16 ◼   ► And I, you know, because I was testing it, it's on my mind.

00:52:19 ◼   ► But so when I went to New York for the weekend again,

00:52:22 ◼   ► I didn't have to even think about getting it

00:52:24 ◼   ► from my bedroom and packing it.

00:52:25 ◼   ► But I do think most people would want to, I would want to,

00:52:31 ◼   ► I'd want one that I keep at my bed,

00:52:32 ◼   ► and I would want one that I keep in my travel bag

00:52:35 ◼   ► so that I don't have to remember.

00:52:38 ◼   ► Like, I just keep lightning chargers in my travel bag

00:52:41 ◼   ► So I never ever have to worry that when I leave the house for a trip that I've remembered

00:52:46 ◼   ► to pack a charger for my phone.

00:52:49 ◼   ► And I feel like you're going to want the same thing for the watch.

00:52:52 ◼   ► And the other thing I've been thinking about is it comes with a little square 5 volt AC

00:53:00 ◼   ► adapter that the phone comes with.

00:53:03 ◼   ► It seems to charge like a mostly empty watch in about an hour and a half to get a full

00:53:07 ◼   ► charge.

00:53:08 ◼   ► I haven't really timed it like from a completely dead phone.

00:53:11 ◼   ► I did let me pull up my notes on that. It took me about two hours. Let me pull up my

00:53:17 ◼   ► first day I timed that it was about two hours.

00:53:19 ◼   ► And that was from completely dead?

00:53:22 ◼   ► Basically completely dead like power reserve. Actually that day was completely dead. Let's

00:53:29 ◼   ► see if I can pull up my notes on that.

00:53:32 ◼   ► Well the thing that occurred to me though is that you have to have an iPhone if you

00:53:39 ◼   ► use Apple Watch. They're very explicit about it. It's it at the you know, who knows years

00:53:44 ◼   ► from now what you'll be able to do just with the watch but for now, it is it's not useless.

00:53:50 ◼   ► It keeps the time and you can use Apple Pay without the the phone being in Bluetooth range.

00:53:56 ◼   ► But most of the stuff certainly all the notifications anything that's incoming has to come from

00:54:01 ◼   ► an internet connection from your paired iPhone. So if you're going to go somewhere with your

00:54:05 ◼   ► you have to have your iPhone with you. So I'm kind of I kind of wish that they had shipped it with some kind of charger

00:54:11 ◼   ► that had two USB ports so that you would only need one thing stuck in the wall, but you could charge both your phone and your

00:54:19 ◼   ► Watch because as it stands you're you know, most of us it it's another device you have to charge every night

00:54:26 ◼   ► I mean most of us know this is the same way I feel about the MacBook charger and here's the thing for me

00:54:31 ◼   ► I've and I noticed this I noticed it this weekend again

00:54:34 ◼   ► At the hotel we stayed at in New York on my side of the bed. There was one open AC adapter

00:54:39 ◼   ► and so, you know to plug in two things bedside I

00:54:43 ◼   ► Needed to like unplug their lamp or unplug the hotel's alarm clock or something

00:54:49 ◼   ► Or set up one of the things to charge, you know away from the bed away from bedside

00:54:55 ◼   ► Yeah, no, this is exactly how I felt about the MacBook chargers

00:54:59 ◼   ► Like, could you just put one more USB port in here, like, or something?

00:55:04 ◼   ► So I'm not walking around because there's no other ports on the computer.

00:55:08 ◼   ► Um, and obviously I could get the $80 dongle or whatever, but if it just had

00:55:14 ◼   ► another port on that charging brick for my iPhone or my Apple watch or my iPad.

00:55:19 ◼   ► My iMac.

00:55:21 ◼   ► Like when you're on a working trip and you have a Mac book, it is, to me, it's a very

00:55:25 ◼   ► common move which is just plug in the MacBook then plug other devices into USB ports on

00:55:31 ◼   ► the thing and it's you know one thing is in the wall but you're charging multiple

00:55:34 ◼   ► devices.

00:55:35 ◼   ► I do that all the time.

00:55:36 ◼   ► Yeah, pass-through charging or whatever you want to call it.

00:55:40 ◼   ► Yeah right, yeah use it as a charging hub I mean yeah, yeah I mean I do kind of wish

00:55:47 ◼   ► that little metal piece on the thing that looks like a heart rate monitor, the charging

00:55:53 ◼   ► thing. You know, that thing falls off my nightstand a lot. Neil Ibertal mentioned in his review

00:55:59 ◼   ► he wished he had a, they had a stand. I agree with that. Wish there was some better way

00:56:03 ◼   ► to prop up the watch on the nightstand.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I, yeah, I agree. I know

00:56:10 ◼   ► It just keeps falling for me, like I keep every, you know, even if I string it around

00:56:15 ◼   ► the back, I guess that's what I should do, but it just keeps falling off the front. And

00:56:19 ◼   ► also again, like you said, I've been porting this thing all over the place.

00:56:22 ◼   ► Alright, I found it, I will put it in the show notes.

00:56:25 ◼   ► There is a page, it's apple.com/watch/battery.html and that's where they say that all the testing

00:56:33 ◼   ► was conducted on a 38 millimeter and this is directly quote from Apple, "Apple Watch

00:56:38 ◼   ► battery performance claims are based on test results from the 38 millimeter Apple Watch.

00:56:42 ◼   ► A 42 millimeter Apple Watch typically experiences longer battery life."

00:56:47 ◼   ► So there you have it.

00:56:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, given the surface space.

00:56:51 ◼   ► Well, and I think it's exactly like with the iPhone six and the six plus the six plus does

00:56:58 ◼   ► have a bigger screen.

00:56:59 ◼   ► But it also gets better, better, bigger battery life, because there's it.

00:57:04 ◼   ► It's just more important to have a bigger, bigger battery is more important than the

00:57:09 ◼   ► detriment of a bigger screen to light up.

00:57:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:57:13 ◼   ► Right.

00:57:14 ◼   ► See, yeah.

00:57:15 ◼   ► So I pulled up my notes here.

00:57:17 ◼   ► I started charging the watch at 7.33 PM and it finished charging at 9.20 PM.

00:57:24 ◼   ► So just under two hours is what I had.

00:57:27 ◼   ► My sixth grade science experiment, we had to do a science fair experiment in sixth grade

00:57:31 ◼   ► and I did mine on batteries.

00:57:34 ◼   ► And the theory I wanted to test was, okay, everybody knows alkaline batteries last longer,

00:57:39 ◼   ► but are they cost effective?

00:57:41 ◼   ► Do you actually, is it worth your money to spend for the alkaline or just buy the cheap

00:57:46 ◼   ► ones and use more of them. And so to conduct the experiment, I put them into a standard

00:57:52 ◼   ► ever-ready flashlight. It's like that plastic flashlight everybody has. And the problem

00:58:01 ◼   ► was they all, even the cheap batteries, would run the flashlight for like 20-some hours.

00:58:08 ◼   ► And so it kept dying while I wasn't looking at it, or while I was sleeping. So my parents

00:58:14 ◼   ► started getting really mad because just to get like one set of data to actually

00:58:19 ◼   ► notice when the light was burned out it took me like like three or four tries

00:58:23 ◼   ► each and I can imagine the same thing like trying to test something like that

00:58:27 ◼   ► it's like you have to keep looking at it to make sure if it's fully charged and

00:58:31 ◼   ► if you miss it and you have to start all over again it's true I did have notes up

00:58:35 ◼   ► till 80% and it was at 80% at 838 also the results of my experiment were that

00:58:44 ◼   ► that Alkaline batteries were worth the money.

00:58:46 ◼   ► So now I feel like getting it out on the podcast

00:58:52 ◼   ► makes all the effort I did 30 years ago.

00:58:55 ◼   ► - We're going to buy those batteries

00:58:57 ◼   ► and see if I can put them into my Apple Watch.

00:58:59 ◼   ► - Let me take another break.

00:59:01 ◼   ► And it seems like a good time for a break

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00:59:04 ◼   ► I wanna get to the MacBook too,

00:59:05 ◼   ► but I feel like there's still so much more

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00:59:08 ◼   ► And I'm not gonna get another chance

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01:02:09 ◼   ► We haven't even talked about the software on the watch and I feel and I've I've barely wrote about it

01:02:14 ◼   ► I saw I like this. I have a couple more thousand words still in draft. I'm working on it's coming out soon. I

01:02:19 ◼   ► It's

01:02:22 ◼   ► There's so much it is such an ambitious 1.0 product and I feel like

01:02:27 ◼   ► It's not even there are things to complain about and there are things to praise

01:02:32 ◼   ► It's you know it and some of the things to complain about are clearly just 1.0 issues some of them

01:02:38 ◼   ► I think there may be deeper design questions

01:02:41 ◼   ► But it's just so expansive. It is really really it's it's the hardest product review. I've ever written without question I

01:02:49 ◼   ► Agree with you, and we we had the the ability of the pleasure of having two

01:02:56 ◼   ► Reviewers which was a good way to break it up

01:03:00 ◼   ► But still there's so much that could be written about this thing. Yeah, you guys had to and recode had to

01:03:06 ◼   ► But yeah

01:03:08 ◼   ► it definitely I think helped to get comprehensive coverage from one publication because I

01:03:13 ◼   ► Really felt like I there's just no way I could cover it all in a week

01:03:17 ◼   ► So, let's just start here's one of the complaints from your review I'm gonna well, I don't know here's what I'll say

01:03:25 ◼   ► It's just a line that I noted you wrote I love that you can customize the colors and details of the watch faces

01:03:30 ◼   ► Though I do wish you could personalize it more with photos or backgrounds

01:03:34 ◼   ► And I have felt the same way like I've felt like this it seems like it's it's in contradiction

01:03:42 ◼   ► Where at one point I've I felt like I can't believe how much fun

01:03:47 ◼   ► I'm having just playing with the watch faces and getting them set up just the way I want and then like an hour later

01:03:53 ◼   ► I would think boy. I wish I could really custom. I wish I could customize this more

01:03:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I know and it's like I kind of kept thinking it was like do I want to have a photo of you know

01:04:04 ◼   ► I don't have a child now. I have a puppy

01:04:06 ◼   ► So maybe this is a good example would I want to have that on my watch like it's now my home screen on my phone

01:04:12 ◼   ► But is that something I would want to have on my wrist all day

01:04:15 ◼   ► And I sort of coded yeah like or at least to have the deeper background ability, right?

01:04:22 ◼   ► Like I love play I even on my phone. I frequently change my background on my phone either on the lock screen or on the home screen

01:04:30 ◼   ► Why can't I do that here? I?

01:04:32 ◼   ► Think it's a little I've been thinking about it a lot and I feel like

01:04:37 ◼   ► they I

01:04:40 ◼   ► Don't think they're gonna give it to us I don't think they're gonna let us customize it more

01:04:46 ◼   ► I think they might add more built-in

01:04:48 ◼   ► Watch races, but I don't think there's going to be a third-party

01:04:52 ◼   ► Ability like and certainly the current third party. I don't know if there would be a third party, but I think

01:04:58 ◼   ► I could see down the line them giving the ability for us to change something from our camera

01:05:06 ◼   ► I mean the photos app is right there and then it's right in here like a little Ken Burns effect, right?

01:05:10 ◼   ► Right, right, right do a little at seven

01:05:15 ◼   ► Do a little Ken Burns effect. I've thought of this is a really important one iTunes. It's an iTunes alert

01:05:20 ◼   ► It's really important new new artists on iTunes. All right, let's hold that thought because I do want to I want to bring up

01:05:27 ◼   ► This whole too many notifications issue. Let's let's get to that next but let's talk keep talking about watch faces

01:05:32 ◼   ► I don't know

01:05:33 ◼   ► I feel like but I feel like they're not gonna do third-party watch faces because I feel like they

01:05:38 ◼   ► They want all of the watch faces to still be within what they consider the Apple watch brand

01:05:44 ◼   ► hand. And it makes me wonder about something like the idea of pick one of your favorite

01:05:51 ◼   ► photos and let that be the background is right there on the line because then obviously they're

01:05:59 ◼   ► not going to have control over the photo but they would still have complete control over

01:06:03 ◼   ► the typography and placement of what's on top of it the time the date whatever the style

01:06:08 ◼   ► right like where where it goes but what if what like here's a night this is I'm like

01:06:13 ◼   ► now I'm going to design the watch face.

01:06:15 ◼   ► So my favorite one is the modular one.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Well, that's what I wear most days during the week.

01:06:21 ◼   ► And then, you know, I like to change it around.

01:06:23 ◼   ► But yeah, I like to keep playing with the design of the modular one.

01:06:26 ◼   ► And so what if you could put your photo in like a corner or something?

01:06:31 ◼   ► And it would just be like an avatar.

01:06:33 ◼   ► Yeah, or like, it was just a clean design where you had the time and then like, you

01:06:39 ◼   ► know above or below sort of like Instagram's new layout app right where you could sort

01:06:45 ◼   ► of split the screen a little bit or have it in a corner or something. I think they could

01:06:49 ◼   ► design it really well is what I'm saying I think. But still within like the constraint

01:06:54 ◼   ► of a structure that they've defined. Yeah. I could see that. Fine. I mean my guess is

01:07:00 ◼   ► exactly what you're saying. Johnny Ive didn't want his very very cleanly perfectly designed

01:07:06 ◼   ► watch faces to be tarnished by a photo of, I don't know, someone's ugly uncle or something.

01:07:15 ◼   ► I or you know, or mostly just that they didn't want us to, to be playing around with it too

01:07:20 ◼   ► much.

01:07:21 ◼   ► I think they do want you playing around with it.

01:07:22 ◼   ► But it's within these constraints of what they've defined as each of these watch faces.

01:07:27 ◼   ► Now there's another angle here, which is technical, which is that the watch, clearly the display

01:07:33 ◼   ► is the biggest battery killer in the watch.

01:07:35 ◼   ► And they're very aggressive about having it turn on and off

01:07:38 ◼   ► as aggressively as possible.

01:07:39 ◼   ► That it's off most of the time, you tilt your wrist.

01:07:42 ◼   ► I just did it as I said it and it was perfect.

01:07:44 ◼   ► It was actually, it turned on exactly as I looked at it.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Could not have turned on at a, just did it again.

01:07:50 ◼   ► So right, however I'm sitting right now

01:07:52 ◼   ► is perfect posture for using Apple Watch.

01:07:55 ◼   ► But then it goes off in six seconds,

01:07:56 ◼   ► if you haven't tapped it.

01:07:57 ◼   ► And they're very aggressive with it.

01:07:59 ◼   ► And it's an OLED screen.

01:08:01 ◼   ► the first apple device with an oled screen and oleds

01:08:05 ◼   ► you know reason for being i think is that

01:08:08 ◼   ► it gets really deep blacks and the blacks don't require power that only

01:08:12 ◼   ► requires power to light up pixels in a non black color

01:08:16 ◼   ► and the watch overall is dominated by black backgrounds

01:08:20 ◼   ► and part of it is an aesthetic idea

01:08:23 ◼   ► because it really does make

01:08:25 ◼   ► the display blend in

01:08:27 ◼   ► to the entire sapphire or on the sport watch glass, you know, thing it in its own in most

01:08:33 ◼   ► lighting it's it's beautiful. In bright daylight, you can definitely see where the display is.

01:08:40 ◼   ► So it's aesthetic, but it's also technical where these black backgrounds absolutely increase

01:08:45 ◼   ► the battery life. And if you had a photo in the background, it would have some kind of

01:08:49 ◼   ► detrimental effect on that.

01:08:53 ◼   ► That's a really interesting point.

01:08:54 ◼   ► Even the fancy butterflies and jellyfish.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Yeah, the background.

01:09:01 ◼   ► It's still a lot of black and they kind of fade in.

01:09:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:06 ◼   ► So I can't help but think that that might be one of the reasons they don't have that.

01:09:10 ◼   ► That to me seems like an obvious watch face.

01:09:13 ◼   ► How much black?

01:09:14 ◼   ► The most colorful one is Mickey.

01:09:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I would definitely say so.

01:09:18 ◼   ► The other one that can be colorful, I don't know if you played with this, but if you go

01:09:22 ◼   ► to the chronograph watch face and you've customized the dial you can change the dial to be like

01:09:29 ◼   ► a light cream color. So go to chronograph, go to color and then go over to the third

01:09:38 ◼   ► no not third it's the middle one where it says color and if you go down there's two

01:09:46 ◼   ► Two light ones.

01:09:47 ◼   ► There's a white background and then there's like a cream, a creamy like, I don't know

01:09:52 ◼   ► what you would call it, which is the most lit up.

01:09:55 ◼   ► I think that's the most lit up you can make the display.

01:09:59 ◼   ► It's probably close with Mickey.

01:10:03 ◼   ► But the other thing is I don't think they look good.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I think the chronograph looks better when it has a dark background.

01:10:09 ◼   ► Yeah, Mickey might be the most.

01:10:12 ◼   ► This banana pudding color is ugly.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that they're trying to mimic, I think it's the closest they've gotten to

01:10:18 ◼   ► skeuomorphism where I feel like they're trying to make that creamy one look like an aged

01:10:23 ◼   ► dial from an analog watch. Like a lot of old people who collect analog watches, the older

01:10:29 ◼   ► ones, things that used to be white turn to a sort of creamy, they call it a patina. And

01:10:35 ◼   ► it's a really pleasing effect, you know, aesthetically, but it's, I don't know, somehow it falls flat

01:10:41 ◼   ► on a light up screen.

01:10:43 ◼   ► I think but I think that that one of the things and I know it's another one of

01:10:47 ◼   ► the three things that Apple says the thing is it is a great timepiece or

01:10:51 ◼   ► whatever I think people are gonna have a blast I had a lot of fun I know it

01:10:54 ◼   ► sounds stupid I had a lot of fun I still have fun dicking around dicking around

01:10:59 ◼   ► with what I've got showing on the watch here's an example so I got the watch and

01:11:07 ◼   ► it's funny because I met with Apple while the old conference in Ireland was

01:11:11 ◼   ► going on to get the review unit and I was supposed to be there

01:11:14 ◼   ► speaking and I couldn't because I can't fly with this gas

01:11:17 ◼   ► bubble in my eye. But I was scheduled to do a remote

01:11:21 ◼   ► appearance with this. Oh, I'm gonna forget the name of it. But

01:11:25 ◼   ► I'm sure you've seen it. It's this. It's like a segue, little

01:11:30 ◼   ► segue type thing that you mount an iPad on and then you can

01:11:33 ◼   ► control it. It's like a remote telepresence robot.

01:11:38 ◼   ► I have oh yeah yeah yeah right when it like the ones they have another commercials we

01:11:43 ◼   ► don't have one in our office but I've seen it in other offices it sounds silly but it

01:11:47 ◼   ► was actually kind of fun and I got to like drive it around the room at at all and I came

01:11:53 ◼   ► out on stage and said a few words to the crowd and accidentally it's called double robotics

01:12:00 ◼   ► Yes, double robotics.

01:12:05 ◼   ► But anyway, I had a scheduled appearance over remotely in Ireland and it was awesome.

01:12:13 ◼   ► I thought it was so great that I could put on my watch face the time in that time zone,

01:12:19 ◼   ► just up in the corner.

01:12:21 ◼   ► And so it totally alleviated my anxiety that I was going to botch it.

01:12:26 ◼   ► And to further confuse it, it was daylight savings time weekend in the United Kingdom,

01:12:31 ◼   ► which is different than when it was here.

01:12:34 ◼   ► So everything was going to switch on Sunday night or something like that.

01:12:38 ◼   ► So instead of being like plus four, they were going to switch to plus five.

01:12:41 ◼   ► I just put the time up in my corner in Ireland and I knew that I wasn't going to be late.

01:12:48 ◼   ► Little thing.

01:12:49 ◼   ► And then once I was done with that, I had no concern about what time it was in England

01:12:52 ◼   ► anymore.

01:12:53 ◼   ► turn that off and switch it to my fitness tracking or something.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Yeah, no, that's why I love that modular display because I can fit so much info on

01:13:01 ◼   ► there, which could be distracting to people, but I love it and I keep changing the top

01:13:07 ◼   ► left-hand corner to either California time, like you mentioned, or to the sunset time.

01:13:14 ◼   ► Yeah, that seems useful.

01:13:15 ◼   ► I might actually use that now.

01:13:17 ◼   ► I've been meaning to try that.

01:13:20 ◼   ► It sounds corny, but I also like change them based on my outfit.

01:13:24 ◼   ► I know a lot of people thought I was being super sarcastic in that video, and I guess

01:13:28 ◼   ► I kind of was, but I do like that either the butterfly or the flower watch face for when

01:13:35 ◼   ► I go out.

01:13:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I could totally see that.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Just because you want less, like in the daytime you've got meetings, you've got things,

01:13:42 ◼   ► you really do want to see your appointment.

01:13:44 ◼   ► And then if you're just going out at night and you're going to have dinner, you really

01:13:46 ◼   ► don't need all that crap.

01:13:48 ◼   ► a couple of days there. I was changing the color of the modular font to the color of

01:13:54 ◼   ► the shirt I was wearing. Felt super corny, but it was fun.

01:13:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's if you can't, if you're so technically minded that you can't

01:14:03 ◼   ► imagine that it's fun to do things like change the second hand on your watch based on your

01:14:07 ◼   ► whims, then it's, you're not going to see the appeal of this device compared to other

01:14:11 ◼   ► ones. I do. I think it was kind of fun. Right? I like changing the second. I like the blue

01:14:16 ◼   ► secondhand I don't know why I will admit I don't really use you don't use the

01:14:23 ◼   ► analog ones see that to me is a big deal and because I've all I've worn an

01:14:29 ◼   ► analog dial watch for so many years now my brain naturally understands time only

01:14:36 ◼   ► by the hands and so if I look at a digital watch meaning digital like it's

01:14:42 ◼   ► showing the digits because I feel like that the word digital watch is actually

01:14:47 ◼   ► confusing it's like it requires a long discretion digression but it's like it

01:14:51 ◼   ► means two different things one it means an electronic watch that is digitally

01:14:57 ◼   ► driven in terms of how it keeps time as opposed to an analog watch which is

01:15:01 ◼   ► using gears and purely mechanical nothing electronic but digital watch

01:15:06 ◼   ► also can mean a watch that is showing the time through numeric digits as

01:15:12 ◼   ► as opposed through analog hands.

01:15:15 ◼   ► And to me, there's nothing at all false

01:15:19 ◼   ► in terms of like this whole movement away

01:15:22 ◼   ► from skeuomorphism about having a digital watch

01:15:26 ◼   ► in terms of it's being electronic using an analog dial

01:15:30 ◼   ► in terms of showing time with the hands.

01:15:33 ◼   ► It's just a different way of displaying the information.

01:15:35 ◼   ► And when you have these analog hands on the Apple Watch,

01:15:38 ◼   ► they don't have any drop shadows or 3D effects

01:15:41 ◼   ► or anything like that, it's very, very flat.

01:15:44 ◼   ► And I think very natural, but that to me is how I tell time.

01:15:49 ◼   ► And it's also why, like in my review,

01:15:51 ◼   ► where I mentioned that when I'm at my keyboard,

01:15:53 ◼   ► I'll often glance at my wrist to see the time.

01:15:56 ◼   ► And everybody's like, why, you know, and I even said,

01:15:58 ◼   ► yes, I know the time is up in the corner of my Mac,

01:16:00 ◼   ► but it just doesn't make sense to me.

01:16:02 ◼   ► In like, just without having to even think about it way

01:16:07 ◼   ► that it does when I glance at my wrist.

01:16:11 ◼   ► And that's where I think like,

01:16:13 ◼   ► that's one part of the software

01:16:14 ◼   ► I think they have done such a good job at,

01:16:16 ◼   ► because you're talking about these things

01:16:18 ◼   ► that work so well for you personally,

01:16:21 ◼   ► which I could care less about.

01:16:24 ◼   ► I mean, I care about you,

01:16:25 ◼   ► but I don't care about them for me.

01:16:28 ◼   ► And I've found some layouts that just work so well for me.

01:16:31 ◼   ► And I've also worn an analog watch for a long time.

01:16:36 ◼   ► But with this, like it just,

01:16:38 ◼   ► it helps me so much to see my calendar appointments.

01:16:41 ◼   ► And like, for me that's been like,

01:16:45 ◼   ► I can just glance down and I don't,

01:16:48 ◼   ► yes, same sort of thing.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Yes, I get the pop-up notification from Outlook

01:16:52 ◼   ► or whatever on my phone,

01:16:53 ◼   ► but I sort of am able to budget my time better knowing,

01:16:57 ◼   ► okay, I have two more hours

01:16:58 ◼   ► till I have this puppy training class or whatever.

01:17:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I can even see,

01:17:04 ◼   ► I think it shows that people at Apple

01:17:07 ◼   ► especially the people you know on the creative team behind it have a very meeting driven culture where there's you know

01:17:14 ◼   ► They're in a big company. They're working at the same time and they have these things like, you know design meetings and stuff like that

01:17:19 ◼   ► I

01:17:21 ◼   ► Think it really shows that the watch

01:17:23 ◼   ► Can be

01:17:26 ◼   ► Set up you can configure it in a way that's really really conducive to that and I can also see why I'll bet you're right

01:17:33 ◼   ► I don't think it's a coincidence that the modular face is the second one. I

01:17:37 ◼   ► I think that for somebody who has a very, frequently has meetings and has a lot of events

01:17:44 ◼   ► on their calendar, that that modular one is really going to be popular.

01:17:48 ◼   ► And I can also see why then you would want the time in a digital form because then you

01:17:55 ◼   ► see the numbers of the current time and you see the numbers of the meeting that's coming

01:17:59 ◼   ► up and you know, hey, it's already 1048 and I've got an 1130.

01:18:05 ◼   ► So anything I want to do, it's got to, you know.

01:18:07 ◼   ► I mean, I'm looking at mine right now, and there's so many numbers.

01:18:10 ◼   ► I mean, and I hate numbers.

01:18:11 ◼   ► It's really funny that I like this one so much.

01:18:14 ◼   ► But like I've got the time, I've got my next appointment, I've got the temperature

01:18:20 ◼   ► outside, I've got the battery life icon, 76 right now, the sun sets at 732, and I

01:18:29 ◼   ► love all that information.

01:18:33 ◼   ► I didn't even notice you could change the color on that one.

01:18:36 ◼   ► Yeah, so I changed it today to purple because I was wearing a purple shirt.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Small things, you know?

01:18:44 ◼   ► Small things.

01:18:45 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, and as I said, those are the two big things, both telling time and

01:18:51 ◼   ► keeping me on schedule and as a fitness tracker or fitness device where this thing has really

01:18:55 ◼   ► started to play big in my life.

01:18:57 ◼   ► Though over the last week and maybe my piece next week might be on this is sort of about

01:19:01 ◼   ► that notification thing and how I found a good balance in many ways despite the fact

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01:23:09 ◼   ► All right, I want to talk about notifications on this thing because I thought that if there's

01:23:14 ◼   ► one thing that I saw across the reviews that to me I didn't get were complaints

01:23:20 ◼   ► from reviewers saying well my risk is keeps pinging pinging pinging and it can

01:23:25 ◼   ► be annoying because they I think it's really easy to filter it and to say I

01:23:29 ◼   ► kind of I one of the things that takes you getting used to is learning what you

01:23:35 ◼   ► have to do from the Apple watch app on your phone and what you can configure on

01:23:39 ◼   ► the watch alone it is a little it takes some getting used to I don't think it's

01:23:43 ◼   ► a complaint, I can see why you can't that why they don't put everything on the watch.

01:23:49 ◼   ► But one of the things that you do from the phone from the Apple Watch app on the phone

01:23:53 ◼   ► is you go to the Apple Watch app, you go to notifications, and then it just lists all

01:23:57 ◼   ► of the apps on your phone that have notifications turned on. And when and then you can turn

01:24:02 ◼   ► off on an app by app basis, whether they go to your watch. And so every time I got something

01:24:07 ◼   ► on my watch that annoyed me, I would just go to my phone, go to that app, turn it off

01:24:11 ◼   ► and say, I don't want that anymore. No more Periscope notifications on my watch. That

01:24:15 ◼   ► was the first thing I did. Like after I parted ways with Apple and I had the review, I think

01:24:23 ◼   ► it took about two minutes for me to just say, all right, Periscope, you're gone.

01:24:28 ◼   ► I had a bunch of things like that. I'm looking through my list now.

01:24:32 ◼   ► I found anything that didn't let me respond, I wanted off. So for example, Tweetbot, direct

01:24:40 ◼   ► I love you know, direct messages are very close to text. So I want notifications for them

01:24:45 ◼   ► It's in fact

01:24:46 ◼   ► The only thing I get notifications from Twitter related just because I know a lot of people have like replies and mentions and stuff like that

01:24:52 ◼   ► But you know it people like yeah, I don't we have too many, you know, where it's just in a weird, you know

01:24:58 ◼   ► The way that we're weird

01:25:00 ◼   ► micro celebrities, you know

01:25:02 ◼   ► It's just it sounds stupid. But I know I get I don't know two or three hundred replies a day

01:25:07 ◼   ► I cannot possibly why I could but I mean it would drive me insane if I got notifications for them

01:25:12 ◼   ► But I thought DMS on my watch were annoying too because I couldn't do anything with them

01:25:17 ◼   ► It's it and you can't really do anything with email either

01:25:22 ◼   ► We can get to that

01:25:23 ◼   ► I find the inclusion of email on Apple watch to be

01:25:27 ◼   ► Bizarre and it seems like something it seems like one of the best apps that they wrote it works incredibly well

01:25:34 ◼   ► And I feel like somebody

01:25:36 ◼   ► Really knocked it out of the park building it, but I don't understand why

01:25:41 ◼   ► Like me why yeah, because you can't reply there is no way to reply to an email

01:25:46 ◼   ► I

01:25:49 ◼   ► Guess I can understand. I you know, I I

01:25:52 ◼   ► Say that I'm being a little bit hyperbolic because I understand that sometimes if you get a really important email

01:25:58 ◼   ► You might want to see it right there on the watch and then you have to do something

01:26:02 ◼   ► But the fact that you then have to do something on the phone

01:26:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know there's certain

01:26:06 ◼   ► It crosses a line that to me it's it's why I never liked wearing my original pebble

01:26:14 ◼   ► Put aside the size of the pebble in the screen or whatever

01:26:17 ◼   ► The thing that always got me with the original pebble was I could never respond

01:26:20 ◼   ► I always had to go back to the phone and every once in a while I'd get you know as I tried it

01:26:24 ◼   ► I'd say like well, I'm glad I saw that on my wrist

01:26:27 ◼   ► But now I have to go to my phone to reply like I reply to text messages using the watch

01:26:32 ◼   ► frequently

01:26:34 ◼   ► It's you do voice or with sometimes some you know, the auto buttons are actually pretty good in some cases

01:26:41 ◼   ► Yeah, they're pretty good

01:26:42 ◼   ► Right, you know and you can set those

01:26:44 ◼   ► yeah, and but the voice works pretty well for me and again that is going to vary by your

01:26:50 ◼   ► You know your current cellular collection connection

01:26:54 ◼   ► But I wrote weeks ago that I have found Siri to be getting a lot better at

01:26:59 ◼   ► dictation at very least in terms of

01:27:03 ◼   ► You know just when you talk to Siri whether it's on the watch or on the phone

01:27:06 ◼   ► The transcription happens faster. It seems to be happening a lot more accurately

01:27:11 ◼   ► And it's really pretty good. It's a little frustrating from the way

01:27:15 ◼   ► Here's the biggest frustration on a watch is there's no text editing

01:27:17 ◼   ► So if it gets it almost right if I dictate a sentence long response via the watch, but it has one

01:27:27 ◼   ► Siri ism whatever you want to call the typos that Siri gives you have to decide whether you scrap the whole thing and start over

01:27:33 ◼   ► Or just let it fly and hope that your correspondent

01:27:37 ◼   ► sympathizes and understands

01:27:40 ◼   ► Right. Yeah, I found it

01:27:42 ◼   ► One thing I did find Siri really helpful with and I know you can't respond to emails

01:27:47 ◼   ► But it is helpful. Like if I get an email that says a company can meet at 2 p.m

01:27:52 ◼   ► I have Siri make that I've done this had Siri make that appointment on my email on my calendar through the watch. I

01:28:00 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess like it would really be nice to be able to respond to those people and say yes

01:28:05 ◼   ► I can make that meeting

01:28:07 ◼   ► I understand why they don't let you respond and they do for texts because texts

01:28:12 ◼   ► Tend to be one sentence at a time and even though right or a word. Yeah, and even though you might send

01:28:19 ◼   ► To some emails. Yes, two o'clock is fine or you know, absolutely or something like that a

01:28:25 ◼   ► Lot of times you don't there's a lot of emails that required even just a few sentences

01:28:31 ◼   ► And once you get to a few sentences the odds of the dictation being perfect are very low and the fact that you can't text

01:28:37 ◼   ► Edit, you know, I'd use the dictation on my phone tons to especially on the East Coast and winter where my hands are cold

01:28:44 ◼   ► I might be outside

01:28:46 ◼   ► And again, that's what made me write the thing a couple of weeks ago about how I've noticed that it's getting better

01:28:50 ◼   ► But the thing with the phone is if there's one stupid mistake in

01:28:55 ◼   ► The what Siri transcribed you can double-click that word

01:28:59 ◼   ► Hit the microphone button again and replace that one word

01:29:03 ◼   ► By you know enunciating much more, you know as clearly as you can what that word was. You can't do that with the watch

01:29:09 ◼   ► And it's like the one downside to that

01:29:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, yeah, I just, in terms of email, I have a lot more frustrations that go way

01:29:23 ◼   ► beyond the reply stuff.

01:29:25 ◼   ► But again, I think that's mostly my frustrations with some of the notification customization

01:29:33 ◼   ► features or lack thereof.

01:29:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, one thing, and I've set up VIP, but to me VIP doesn't go far enough, right?

01:29:48 ◼   ► And this is some of the intelligence that I think Apple stands to learn a lot from Google,

01:29:54 ◼   ► and where I do feel like the missing presence of Google on this device is in Gmail, for

01:30:00 ◼   ► I mean, yes, I do get the notifications that hit,

01:30:04 ◼   ► like I use Inbox, I do get those notifications on my wrist.

01:30:09 ◼   ► And those are usually really helpful.

01:30:11 ◼   ► Usually Inbox is really good at knowing when I like emails

01:30:15 ◼   ► or when I don't like emails.

01:30:16 ◼   ► Surfacing ones from friends and family,

01:30:19 ◼   ► putting the other ones in their other filters.

01:30:21 ◼   ► I don't know, John, if you use it,

01:30:23 ◼   ► but I find it really helpful.

01:30:25 ◼   ► And then in mail, it's just,

01:30:29 ◼   ► There's so many other emails beyond VIP,

01:30:33 ◼   ► those people that I've designated as VIPs

01:30:35 ◼   ► that I want coming to my wrist

01:30:37 ◼   ► and it's just you don't have that level of granularity.

01:30:41 ◼   ► You can't, mail doesn't know well enough

01:30:46 ◼   ► which people I'd like to respond to,

01:30:48 ◼   ► which emails are important to me.

01:30:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think Steven Levy had a piece just yesterday

01:30:56 ◼   ► where at his back channel thing at Medium

01:30:59 ◼   ► where he talked about like that we need

01:31:01 ◼   ► like the next level for AI to go is notification filtering.

01:31:06 ◼   ► It's-- - Yeah, it is.

01:31:08 ◼   ► - It's too hard to do by rules.

01:31:11 ◼   ► And I think back to spam filtering.

01:31:13 ◼   ► I remember when spam first became a problem with email,

01:31:18 ◼   ► you know, like in the late 90s.

01:31:20 ◼   ► And the way I dealt with it

01:31:22 ◼   ► and the way most people I knew dealt with it

01:31:24 ◼   ► is we had a bunch of filters, rules.

01:31:26 ◼   ► We, you know, you would just set up your mail client

01:31:28 ◼   ► with a bunch of rules and there was, you know,

01:31:32 ◼   ► I don't know, little things like--

01:31:35 ◼   ► - I still do that.

01:31:36 ◼   ► Like if you're on corporate mailing lists,

01:31:37 ◼   ► you still have to do that.

01:31:38 ◼   ► - You do, definitely, but for the most part though,

01:31:40 ◼   ► most spam is already, you know,

01:31:42 ◼   ► there's no way that you could have,

01:31:43 ◼   ► without something like, you know,

01:31:45 ◼   ► a system level above you, not your rules,

01:31:50 ◼   ► you'd be inundated, and 'cause they just, it's whack-a-mole.

01:31:53 ◼   ► I remember, but there were like, you know,

01:31:57 ◼   ► six or seven rules you could use and then boom,

01:31:59 ◼   ► you could cut your spam by like 90%.

01:32:01 ◼   ► And it's just not enough anymore.

01:32:03 ◼   ► And I kind of feel like notifications are that way,

01:32:06 ◼   ► where you can, right now it's like we're at that era

01:32:09 ◼   ► where we're setting up our own filters.

01:32:11 ◼   ► Like you're saying, okay, I don't want all my email.

01:32:15 ◼   ► That's crazy, but I do want the people on this VIP list.

01:32:18 ◼   ► Okay, there you go.

01:32:19 ◼   ► And it's, I know what you mean though,

01:32:22 ◼   ► 'cause there's always gonna be an important email

01:32:24 ◼   ► that isn't from someone who's already on your VIP list.

01:32:26 ◼   ► and then you're gonna, you want that.

01:32:28 ◼   ► And it seems as though there ought to be a way

01:32:31 ◼   ► for AI to figure that out.

01:32:33 ◼   ► And it's, you know, and if anybody's gonna get that best,

01:32:36 ◼   ► if anybody's doing it already, it's definitely Google,

01:32:39 ◼   ► 'cause it's right, right in the, it's--

01:32:41 ◼   ► - There we all have. - Yeah.

01:32:42 ◼   ► - For sure.

01:32:44 ◼   ► And I mean, that's like, for instance,

01:32:46 ◼   ► why you keep hearing these pings today,

01:32:47 ◼   ► 'cause I've been out and about with the puppy

01:32:50 ◼   ► and I wanted to keep my email alerts on

01:32:52 ◼   ► 'cause I've been waiting for an email back

01:32:53 ◼   ► from Google, actually.

01:32:55 ◼   ► And if I turned on my VIP thing, like I don't have that specific contact as a VIP.

01:33:02 ◼   ► Why would I?

01:33:03 ◼   ► Right?

01:33:04 ◼   ► But if I don't, if I don't like, there's no way to get the stuff in the middle.

01:33:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:33:10 ◼   ► It's either it's giving me the lowest hanging stuff, which is like emails from, you

01:33:14 ◼   ► know, general Wall Street Journal editors about SEO term words.

01:33:19 ◼   ► And then I'm getting iTunes spam.

01:33:23 ◼   ► And then I'm getting when that email comes in from that person from Google and immediately

01:33:27 ◼   ► on my wrist when I'm out and about in the apartment.

01:33:29 ◼   ► Can I tell you, it just kicked in because I had this show on my watch and I guess I

01:33:34 ◼   ► only had it scheduled for 90 minutes, so it's over.

01:33:36 ◼   ► One of my least favorite things on the watch face is if you have your next event as one

01:33:41 ◼   ► of the complications, when you're done for the day, it changes to say no more events.

01:33:47 ◼   ► It's like in all capital letters and it it it just seems like visual pollution to me. No more events

01:33:54 ◼   ► It makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong that I don't have anything else scheduled today. You have nothing else to do today

01:34:00 ◼   ► You can go to bed. No, I totally agree with the notification

01:34:03 ◼   ► I want I want my I want this whole thing to just figure out what I what I want on my on my wrist

01:34:10 ◼   ► Right and it could maybe use

01:34:12 ◼   ► Maybe if there was like a way to give a thumbs down to a notification that gets through

01:34:16 ◼   ► you know and and maybe like some kind of way where you could give a thumbs down

01:34:21 ◼   ► to a notification that gets through that you really didn't want and conversely on

01:34:27 ◼   ► your phone to give a thumbs up to a notification that was only on your phone

01:34:31 ◼   ► and didn't go to your wrist to say oh this was good I wish that this had gone

01:34:35 ◼   ► to my wrist and and then it could it needs a little bit of that feedback for

01:34:38 ◼   ► sure and I don't think definitely I mean that's how that's how Google's learning

01:34:42 ◼   ► right? I mean, they knew they know what we favorite.

01:34:45 ◼   ► Right.

01:34:46 ◼   ► That's part of what what they do.

01:34:47 ◼   ► And like if I move something from, you know, whatever they call it, my promotions, the updates,

01:34:56 ◼   ► updates is one of the things that they sometimes don't get right.

01:34:59 ◼   ► They'll put things that I that are important to me and updates in that filter and I drag it.

01:35:03 ◼   ► You know, they automatically start putting things there.

01:35:06 ◼   ► Do you keep the notifications indicator on?

01:35:09 ◼   ► It's that red dot at the top.

01:35:11 ◼   ► I do, but I'm, I, this is part of this piece, I might want to write for next week, that

01:35:16 ◼   ► thing can control your life.

01:35:19 ◼   ► Like I look down and I'm like, uh oh, you know, it's sort of like that.

01:35:23 ◼   ► It, it, to me it reminds me of the blinking red dot from the Blackberry, Blackberry ages.

01:35:27 ◼   ► That was exactly what I was going to ask you as a known former recovering.

01:35:32 ◼   ► It is and you, and it's like, I got to look, I got to look like, even though it's probably

01:35:37 ◼   ► not something I care about at all, I need to look.

01:35:40 ◼   ► Now I've never been a BlackBerry user, but I know enough that the idea is that BlackBerry's

01:35:46 ◼   ► had a physical red LED and it would blink if you had new messages.

01:35:51 ◼   ► And then your BlackBerry was blinking red.

01:35:54 ◼   ► You could leave it on your desk or something and you could walk away and you come back

01:35:57 ◼   ► and it's blinking red.

01:35:58 ◼   ► You pick up your BlackBerry and you see what is it.

01:36:01 ◼   ► And I remember in that era when BlackBerry users were switching to Android phones and

01:36:07 ◼   ► iPhones, that the thing that I kept seeing over and over again is I don't know what to

01:36:12 ◼   ► do without that red light. God, I don't even want to tell Apple how much more money I would

01:36:18 ◼   ► spend for an otherwise identical iPhone with a blinking red light. I heard that from so

01:36:23 ◼   ► many people, and you probably did too, because you're a known sympathizer to the Blackberry

01:36:28 ◼   ► attic cause. I can see why though now with this watch. I still have it on, but I'm thinking

01:36:34 ◼   ► By the way, I still think that red light on an iPhone would save a lot of battery life.

01:36:39 ◼   ► I see the appeal of it.

01:36:41 ◼   ► To me, it's the exact equivalent of the ringer switch on the iPhone, which most phones don't

01:36:49 ◼   ► come with.

01:36:50 ◼   ► Most Android phones don't have a dedicated on/off ringer switch, and I don't know what

01:36:54 ◼   ► I would do without that.

01:36:55 ◼   ► I love my ringer switch.

01:36:57 ◼   ► It would drive me...

01:36:58 ◼   ► And in fact, when I do try using phones other than the iPhone, like I have the second gen

01:37:03 ◼   ► Moto X here.

01:37:06 ◼   ► Honest to God, I think my single biggest complaint about it is that it doesn't have a ring or

01:37:09 ◼   ► switch.

01:37:10 ◼   ► Above and beyond all of the things that I would prefer about iOS versus Android and

01:37:17 ◼   ► the physical hardware of the phone, etc., etc.

01:37:21 ◼   ► The thing that just drives me nuts is that I can't just silence it without turning it

01:37:24 ◼   ► on.

01:37:25 ◼   ► And I know that there's a quick way to do it from the top.

01:37:26 ◼   ► You go down and it's a couple of taps.

01:37:29 ◼   ► But I'm just addicted to the way that I can just turn it on and off without even looking

01:37:33 ◼   ► at it. And to me, it I don't I don't in that same way. That's

01:37:37 ◼   ► what the blinking red light on the Blackberry was it was a way

01:37:40 ◼   ► of saying we're just going to put this on the device. We're

01:37:42 ◼   ► going to make it a hardware feature, not a software feature

01:37:44 ◼   ► that you can tell if there's something new.

01:37:46 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm looking at I don't think I really ever use the

01:37:51 ◼   ► ring. Oh my god, are you crazy? Do you leave it on? Or do you

01:37:54 ◼   ► leave it off?

01:37:55 ◼   ► I leave it on. So you always have sounds coming from your

01:37:59 ◼   ► iPhone.

01:37:59 ◼   ► Pretty much.

01:38:02 ◼   ► Would unless I'm doing like going to something and I use it or just silence it now

01:38:09 ◼   ► See, I keep it silenced because I just otherwise I feel like I'm getting bombarded with sounds all the time

01:38:14 ◼   ► I like to have it off. I

01:38:16 ◼   ► Mean honestly, you know what? I really only check it. I use this to check to make sure I'm getting

01:38:21 ◼   ► Like my alarms gonna go off in the morning

01:38:23 ◼   ► Well, see that's you know, I not everybody is addicted to everything right it's like but to me like it's

01:38:32 ◼   ► Comprehensible to me that every phone doesn't come with a switch like this and I it's by as the time has gone on

01:38:37 ◼   ► It's my least favorite thing about the current generation of iPads where they got rid of that switch

01:38:41 ◼   ► Hmm and I know other people use it

01:38:44 ◼   ► It was like you could configure it on the iPads to be either a rotation lock right of sound lock

01:38:48 ◼   ► But I kept it as yes. That's what I used to use it as I still kept it as sound lock

01:38:53 ◼   ► Yeah

01:38:56 ◼   ► Yeah, no, I love this little I mean I hate this little red button, but I hate I love it

01:39:00 ◼   ► also, I got to turn it off, I think. Yeah, I kind of think I'm going to end up turning it off in the

01:39:06 ◼   ► long run. And just I'll just check by swiping down to see if there are notifications that I've, you

01:39:11 ◼   ► know, that are still pending. Yeah, I mean, that's like one thing to like, does this have to clean

01:39:18 ◼   ► these all out? But does this mimic the notification tray on your phone? It does, right? I think so,

01:39:24 ◼   ► except the one on your phone can have more because some of them don't go through.

01:39:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I wish there was a way to clear these all.

01:39:32 ◼   ► You're is, Force Touch it.

01:39:33 ◼   ► Oh no, is this a secret Force Touch?

01:39:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:39:38 ◼   ► Oh my God.

01:39:39 ◼   ► This is the craziest thing to me.

01:39:43 ◼   ► Secret Force Touch is...

01:39:44 ◼   ► Secret Force Touch is like a mind bending thing.

01:39:50 ◼   ► I've just changed the life though, right?

01:39:52 ◼   ► You find things that are just not, you would never have known,

01:39:56 ◼   ► you would have never thought to Force Touch on that menu.

01:39:58 ◼   ► I never would have thought to force touch on the notification menu just like I was on the verge cast last week

01:40:04 ◼   ► I would have never thought to force touch on the emojis

01:40:07 ◼   ► To change it you can change like the the pac-man

01:40:10 ◼   ► Smiley guy to a red red face pac-man change the hearts to per right

01:40:15 ◼   ► You can get a purple heart on this thing. That is my tip

01:40:20 ◼   ► I know that it's you know, ten days away ten two weeks away from everybody out there getting their Apple watches

01:40:26 ◼   ► I'll tell you my number if there's one thing you remember from this episode of the show when you get your Apple watch

01:40:30 ◼   ► It's don't forget to try force tap everywhere you go. No force touch everything

01:40:35 ◼   ► Just force touch every single thing on the so force touching

01:40:39 ◼   ► Notification Center or I don't know what they call it if they call it, but would you come this is my machine

01:40:44 ◼   ► This is like completely like you come just clear them all down from the top and force touch and you get one button

01:40:49 ◼   ► Clear all and they all go away

01:40:51 ◼   ► So let me tell you this I'm so addicted to that that I've started doing it on my phone

01:40:55 ◼   ► Because one of the things and it's a long-standing complaint a lot of people have is on the iPhone

01:41:00 ◼   ► You can't you can't clear all of your notifications

01:41:02 ◼   ► You can only do it at by adding hit the ad and you have to hit clear again

01:41:06 ◼   ► And then you have to hit the next X then clear

01:41:08 ◼   ► So I just I've started force touching my phone thinking that I can clear all because I clear all on my I mean all the time

01:41:15 ◼   ► We're pretty sure force touch is coming to the phone, right? I mean, it seems like yeah, but I really here's the big

01:41:20 ◼   ► We could go on and on about this

01:41:22 ◼   ► But here's my question about it with the phone is we have two two devices with force touch

01:41:27 ◼   ► And I want to talk to you about the MacBook, too

01:41:29 ◼   ► And we can get to it there

01:41:32 ◼   ► But so we have the new MacBook which has the force touch strike pad and we have the watch which has

01:41:36 ◼   ► Forced touch on this little tiny screen on the watch

01:41:38 ◼   ► Forced touch it the whole screen is just effectively a button. It doesn't matter where you force touch

01:41:45 ◼   ► It's just a it's either a force tap or not a force tap and that's it

01:41:49 ◼   ► a regular tap has location like a touchscreen if you tap hard it's just a

01:41:53 ◼   ► force tap doesn't matter where so you can't force tap on a thing on the watch

01:41:58 ◼   ► and I think that makes sense because it's so small on the trackpad obviously

01:42:02 ◼   ► it's very very precise and you get a you get the taptic feedback exactly where

01:42:07 ◼   ► your finger is so I think it's definitely coming to the iPhone I think

01:42:12 ◼   ► it's coming to the iPad eventually if not this year it'll be just one more

01:42:17 ◼   ► year. But my question is, is on these phones and tablets, is it going to be like precise?

01:42:24 ◼   ► Or is it going to be like the watch where it's like you've just force tapped and

01:42:28 ◼   ► that's it and it, you know, it doesn't matter where your finger is on the screen?

01:42:32 ◼   ► I think it's going to be precise depending on the screen size, right? I think like on

01:42:37 ◼   ► the MacBook, you can force touch on a word, right? And that's very precise. So I could

01:42:44 ◼   ► see that also being an option on on the phone and on the iPhone, right? Like if I force

01:42:51 ◼   ► touched on instead of double tapped on a word, I maybe something else would happen.

01:42:57 ◼   ► I mean, I, I definitely want it to work that way on my iPhone. I want it to be like precise

01:43:02 ◼   ► so I can force tap on a word. But I'm I just wonder whether I'm setting myself up for disappointment.

01:43:07 ◼   ► Because engineering wise, like, it can't right, they can make the trackpad so that the trackpad

01:43:12 ◼   ► isn't underneath the trackpad is entirely set up as a haptic feedback, right? But they there may not

01:43:19 ◼   ► be because the this the phone, all there is is a screen effectively, that they may not have room to

01:43:26 ◼   ► make the whole thing. You know, precisely taptic. I don't know, I might be setting myself up for

01:43:32 ◼   ► disappointment there. So I'm not letting myself get I guess I now that I think about it, too. But

01:43:36 ◼   ► but yeah, it's certainly like, I would be very happy to force touch on the notifications clear

01:43:41 ◼   ► You know what I'd be also really happy for?

01:43:45 ◼   ► Apple, if you are listening to this podcast, I want to force touch in Control Center on

01:43:52 ◼   ► the wireless command, the little wireless circle, and I want to go to the settings menu,

01:43:58 ◼   ► and there I want to be able to, the wireless settings menu, and I want to be able to get

01:44:03 ◼   ► to Wi-Fi.

01:44:04 ◼   ► Okay?

01:44:05 ◼   ► That's a request.

01:44:06 ◼   ► Oh, I see what you mean.

01:44:07 ◼   ► So you go from Control Center, force touch on the little--

01:44:09 ◼   ► I hate that I can't get to settings from control center.

01:44:13 ◼   ► - I see what you mean where you would just--

01:44:14 ◼   ► - I want to just press-- - Tap it to toggle it

01:44:16 ◼   ► on and off, but do a force touch on it

01:44:18 ◼   ► and then jump to the settings for Bluetooth.

01:44:20 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:44:21 ◼   ► I would be very, very, I would be so happy.

01:44:25 ◼   ► - That would make a lot of sense.

01:44:26 ◼   ► And then you could do it like with all of them,

01:44:27 ◼   ► 'cause then you could do it with do not disturb,

01:44:30 ◼   ► and instead of just turning it on or off,

01:44:31 ◼   ► you would jump to your do not disturb settings

01:44:33 ◼   ► and you could change like the time that it's scheduled for.

01:44:37 ◼   ► - I mean, most of the time when I'm turning on and off WiFi,

01:44:39 ◼   ► It's true, I'm just getting on my home network or whatever.

01:44:42 ◼   ► For some reason, I turned off Wi-Fi, I don't know,

01:44:44 ◼   ► it was slow or something someplace and I turned it off.

01:44:46 ◼   ► But a lot of the time, I'm also going to someplace

01:44:50 ◼   ► and I want to get on a new Wi-Fi network.

01:44:53 ◼   ► And I just want to get to the Wi-Fi settings.

01:44:56 ◼   ► And it's a whole other step, I've got to go into settings

01:44:59 ◼   ► and I got to hit Wi-Fi.

01:45:01 ◼   ► And yes, I know, cry me a river, it's three taps,

01:45:03 ◼   ► but two taps, but just a request.

01:45:06 ◼   ► - I have two things I want to talk about still

01:45:08 ◼   ► before we wrap up.

01:45:09 ◼   ► I want to talk about third party apps on the watch,

01:45:12 ◼   ► and I want to talk about the new MacBook.

01:45:14 ◼   ► Do you have anything else that's like a must talk about?

01:45:17 ◼   ► I think we could easily fill up our remaining time

01:45:21 ◼   ► with that.

01:45:21 ◼   ► All right, before we get started with either,

01:45:23 ◼   ► let me just thank--

01:45:23 ◼   ► - And this puppy's still sleeping.

01:45:25 ◼   ► He's been sleeping the whole podcast.

01:45:26 ◼   ► That's how bored he is of me.

01:45:28 ◼   ► He's so bored by this conversation.

01:45:31 ◼   ► - I had a boyhood family dog.

01:45:34 ◼   ► I think I was in second grade when we got him.

01:45:36 ◼   ► His name was Chester, and I loved him

01:45:38 ◼   ► much as I've ever loved any living being on this planet, just about. And he slept 23 hours a day,

01:45:46 ◼   ► I think, as a puppy. And then even as an adult, I think he probably slept about 21 hours a day.

01:45:51 ◼   ► But I was so, I was pretty upset because I thought he would be playing with me nonstop all the time.

01:45:58 ◼   ► I thought so too. I've been home for like the last, I took off for, I don't have a column this

01:46:03 ◼   ► week. And I was like, "Oh, I'm going to play with him all day. He sleeps all day." And I keep asking

01:46:07 ◼   ► my wife, I think he's depressed. I think he's depressed. No, we need to take him someplace. No,

01:46:11 ◼   ► she's like, No, he's a puppy. He just he sleeps all day. That's what he's going to do. And I'm like,

01:46:16 ◼   ► No, I think he's got here. I think he's upset. Nope, that is why else. That's what they do.

01:46:21 ◼   ► It's kind of awesome. If you think about it, they're, they're living the life.

01:46:25 ◼   ► Did you get the week? Oh, I just to go to go meta for a second. Did you get the week off? Because

01:46:31 ◼   ► you did the Apple Watch review and the MacBook review at the same time, which I see.

01:46:37 ◼   ► Yes. And then I decided to get a puppy like the day after. So I barely slept for a very

01:46:43 ◼   ► long time. But yes, I did get the week off for that reason.

01:46:47 ◼   ► I forget how many words long my Apple Watch review was, which didn't really go through

01:46:52 ◼   ► the software. And it was still many, many thousands of words. And when I was done, I

01:46:56 ◼   ► really felt like i needed to check myself into like uh... a spa or

01:47:00 ◼   ► something and recuperate

01:47:02 ◼   ► and meantime you

01:47:04 ◼   ► had actually cannot believe that you'd review both at the same time people

01:47:08 ◼   ► email me and they're like did you get the mac bookie kind of review

01:47:10 ◼   ► and i was like no i did not get the mac book i didn't want the mac book i'm

01:47:13 ◼   ► exhausted having reviewed the apple watch you did both i i'd

01:47:19 ◼   ► you know that video

01:47:20 ◼   ► took so much out of me that apple watch video because

01:47:24 ◼   ► I just never thought it would actually work.

01:47:26 ◼   ► We spent so much time thinking about it and then just so many hours editing and figuring

01:47:32 ◼   ► out if this thing could come together to a piece that people would actually want to watch.

01:47:36 ◼   ► We were there at the office.

01:47:37 ◼   ► I was at the office two or three nights in a row until 2 a.m.

01:47:41 ◼   ► And then I was like, "Oh, yeah, and then this MacBook review."

01:47:44 ◼   ► I salute you because I don't understand how you did it all.

01:47:47 ◼   ► I don't understand how you did the video and I don't understand how you did all three of

01:47:50 ◼   ► the things and the MacBooks.

01:47:52 ◼   ► You had a good MacBook video too.

01:47:54 ◼   ► But the Apple Watch video,

01:47:54 ◼   ► for those of you who haven't watched it,

01:47:55 ◼   ► I'll put it in the show load.

01:47:56 ◼   ► But Joanna's Apple Watch video was truly first person.

01:48:01 ◼   ► She literally put a helmet on that could support a,

01:48:06 ◼   ► it looked like an SLR?

01:48:07 ◼   ► I mean it was--

01:48:08 ◼   ► - It was, it's a 70D, it's a Canon 70D.

01:48:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:48:12 ◼   ► - So no crappy GoPro.

01:48:15 ◼   ► It, an actual, I honestly, I watched the video first

01:48:18 ◼   ► and then at the end there is like a third person shot

01:48:20 ◼   ► that shows you shooting it.

01:48:21 ◼   ► and I was like, at first I thought it was a joke,

01:48:24 ◼   ► and then I thought, no, that explains

01:48:25 ◼   ► why the quality was so great.

01:48:27 ◼   ► The whole thing is it's a day in the life

01:48:29 ◼   ► of using Apple Watch, shot literally

01:48:32 ◼   ► from the first person perspective, you know, eyeball level.

01:48:35 ◼   ► And the way she did it was by spending a day of her life

01:48:39 ◼   ► with a helmet with a Canon 70D in front of her face.

01:48:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was insane.

01:48:44 ◼   ► I mean, I wanted to do something different

01:48:46 ◼   ► 'cause I was like, everyone's gonna have video reviews

01:48:48 ◼   ► of this thing, wanted to do something different,

01:48:50 ◼   ► And my whole purpose was actually to like sort of do an anti-apple ad like this is what

01:48:55 ◼   ► it's like to use in a real life and not on like a beautiful white background.

01:49:00 ◼   ► And yeah, it just turned into this massive project and one of the producers had done

01:49:04 ◼   ► something similar and I was like, so about this helmet camera, you think it's like,

01:49:09 ◼   ► you think it's ready to go?

01:49:11 ◼   ► And we just did.

01:49:13 ◼   ► And yeah,

01:49:14 ◼   ► I thought it was really worked well.

01:49:15 ◼   ► And I thought the other thing too, here's the other thing, though, that amazes me and

01:49:18 ◼   ► I think it's because I'm a very slow worker, but to me that amazes me is that not just

01:49:25 ◼   ► that you did this very production intensive video and footage intensive, right? Because

01:49:32 ◼   ► you had to spend a whole day with the helmet on. So it took a long time to get all the

01:49:36 ◼   ► footage, clearly took a long time to edit. And you wrote a completely credible column

01:49:43 ◼   ► reviewing it, and having used the watch myself, and having watched the video and read your

01:49:50 ◼   ► review, clearly you spent enough time using the watch to form a very informed opinion.

01:49:57 ◼   ► So – because that to me is part of the problem with these review schedules, is that it takes

01:50:02 ◼   ► – it takes so much time with the device before you can even start, because you need

01:50:06 ◼   ► the time to form a genuine opinion of it, to understand it.

01:50:09 ◼   ► Right.

01:50:10 ◼   ► I know, and I think people were concerned also about the MacBook.

01:50:13 ◼   ► I had the MacBook for two weeks.

01:50:14 ◼   ► That was a nice thing about both of these pieces.

01:50:19 ◼   ► Look, we could have definitely used some more time

01:50:21 ◼   ► on the watch in terms of the embargo time,

01:50:23 ◼   ► but I had a week and a half and really hammered on that

01:50:28 ◼   ► and then also used the MacBook as my main laptop

01:50:31 ◼   ► through the whole thing.

01:50:32 ◼   ► So I had a good amount of time for testing.

01:50:35 ◼   ► Battery life testing on MacBook can take quite a bit

01:50:39 ◼   ► of time and so I had a good amount of time for that.

01:50:42 ◼   ► your video include and is lasting i did

01:50:46 ◼   ► as a hilarious

01:50:48 ◼   ► cameo from group at her murder how did the world did you get that

01:50:53 ◼   ► all right yeah i mean obviously some parts of the video were scripted

01:50:57 ◼   ► aright okay it

01:50:59 ◼   ► people have been like so did you really just run into him and no i i didn't just

01:51:02 ◼   ► run into rupert with a huge have helmet camera on and i was like report could be

01:51:06 ◼   ► still by watch

01:51:07 ◼   ► uh...

01:51:08 ◼   ► yet do it that was scripted but he was totally game is great to work with on it

01:51:11 ◼   ► He was just like, okay, sure, sounds like fun.

01:51:14 ◼   ► - He's always struggling with having a great sense of humor.

01:51:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, and he, like, I didn't say what to say.

01:51:20 ◼   ► It was just like, we'll try it out.

01:51:22 ◼   ► And he was the one who really ran with it, so.

01:51:25 ◼   ► - I died at that point.

01:51:28 ◼   ► It was so funny.

01:51:30 ◼   ► - I was like, all right, all right, yeah,

01:51:31 ◼   ► you can steal the watch, totally.

01:51:33 ◼   ► I mean, my idea was honestly just to run

01:51:35 ◼   ► into him in the elevator, which actually does happen a lot.

01:51:37 ◼   ► I, you know, will come up from doing a Fox News business hit

01:51:41 ◼   ► he'll be on the same floor and I'll say hi.

01:51:44 ◼   ► But he was like, "Oh yeah, no, sure, I'll do this."

01:51:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:51:49 ◼   ► I mean, also, I kept joking, like, "Are you sure it's not the Apple Watch Edition?

01:51:55 ◼   ► Is it good enough for you?"

01:51:56 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:51:57 ◼   ► Pete: Because Ruth Murdock is clearly among the people on the planet Earth where the difference

01:52:03 ◼   ► between the edition and the regular Apple Watch is, "Eh, well, whichever color I like

01:52:08 ◼   ► better."

01:52:09 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:52:10 ◼   ► Cheryl Kane-Piasecki Right, exactly.

01:52:11 ◼   ► was great, and I really do think it also kind of hammers home the modernization of the Wall

01:52:22 ◼   ► Street Journal culture. Like, it wasn't out of character. I think it's completely within

01:52:26 ◼   ► the character of the style of reviews you guys do now. But I don't know, having the

01:52:31 ◼   ► publisher of the paper, you know, the famous publisher of the paper show up as a cameo

01:52:36 ◼   ► in a review of a tech product, I thought it was great.

01:52:39 ◼   ► Rachel Tompa Yeah, I mean, I tried, I wanted every scene to have a little bit of a purpose.

01:52:43 ◼   ► Like, obviously, my sister saying, you know, I can't, can I curse on the show?

01:52:47 ◼   ► Pete Slauson Yeah, you can totally curse.

01:52:48 ◼   ► Rachel Tompa Yeah, you know, like, fuck you to me. Like, you know, I thought that was,

01:52:52 ◼   ► I thought it was fun, but also showed like, A, people are going to be really excited about

01:52:56 ◼   ► getting this watch and B, like, making phone calls on it isn't actually totally stupid.

01:52:59 ◼   ► Pete Slauson Everybody should watch. I'm not going to spoil it.

01:53:02 ◼   ► Rachel Tompa It's funny, everyone, it's really funny the interpretation of that because I didn't

01:53:05 ◼   ► editorialized so much like so many of my reviews I basically am editorializing.

01:53:09 ◼   ► I'll say buy or don't buy or you know this is and in that I didn't really

01:53:13 ◼   ► editorialize so much and so people have had different interpretations of it

01:53:16 ◼   ► which is great. I've had people email me and tweet saying I watched it three

01:53:20 ◼   ► times and I'm still not sure if you liked it or you didn't like it which I

01:53:25 ◼   ► kind of love and I think you know certainly people have watched it and

01:53:29 ◼   ► said I'm definitely not buying one and other people have said oh you made me

01:53:32 ◼   ► want one so badly. You know, Business Insider completely ripped off the article and said,

01:53:36 ◼   ► this is the reason you would not want to buy one, or ripped off the video. And I just,

01:53:41 ◼   ► yeah.

01:53:42 ◼   ► I've had the same thing with my review. I have had people, I've had responses both ways.

01:53:46 ◼   ► I had people said, I was really on the fence, I was going to wait this out. Then I read

01:53:50 ◼   ► your review. And I thought, screw it, I'm getting one at three o'clock in the morning,

01:53:53 ◼   ► you know, the day they go on sale. And then I had other people, just as many who said,

01:53:57 ◼   ► I was totally set to buy one of these and I read your review and I'm not buying one.

01:54:02 ◼   ► I'm going to wait.

01:54:03 ◼   ► I've had both responses and I don't think that's ever happened with a product before

01:54:08 ◼   ► that I can remember.

01:54:09 ◼   ► And it wasn't just one or two.

01:54:10 ◼   ► It was a solid half a dozen both ways.

01:54:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, in the column I was obviously a little more blatant.

01:54:17 ◼   ► I've told many friends I don't think they should buy this.

01:54:21 ◼   ► And then certainly many people read and I've been getting tons of emails from people saying,

01:54:25 ◼   ► Do you think I should get this sport version?

01:54:27 ◼   ► Do you think I should get this band?

01:54:29 ◼   ► Lots of people read and said, yeah, you showed me the goods and the bads and I'm deciding

01:54:35 ◼   ► on yes or no or whatever.

01:54:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I got the steel edition.

01:54:41 ◼   ► I'm glad I did, but I kind of wish I had more time with the sport edition.

01:54:47 ◼   ► But I think I know enough and I've definitely seen enough and I trust Apple and from what

01:54:53 ◼   ► what other people have tried it on have said.

01:54:56 ◼   ► And the fact that I like those sport bands so much

01:54:58 ◼   ► that I feel like anybody who's on the fence

01:55:00 ◼   ► but kind of wants one, just go ahead and get the sport one

01:55:02 ◼   ► at the entry level price and you're gonna get

01:55:06 ◼   ► a totally quality device.

01:55:08 ◼   ► The digital crown feels great, the button's great,

01:55:11 ◼   ► every bit as good of build quality as Apple's

01:55:14 ◼   ► other aluminum stuff like the phones.

01:55:16 ◼   ► You're getting a totally great band.

01:55:18 ◼   ► Yes, it's a rubber wristband,

01:55:20 ◼   ► but it's a really, really good one.

01:55:22 ◼   ► It really is.

01:55:23 ◼   ► So don't worry about it.

01:55:25 ◼   ► Like if you're on the fence at all, you know,

01:55:27 ◼   ► and you can definitely swing the 350 or 400

01:55:30 ◼   ► for the sport watch, just get it and it's gonna be fine.

01:55:33 ◼   ► And especially if you're really just interested

01:55:35 ◼   ► in playing with the platform.

01:55:36 ◼   ► Like you're not getting a low tier device if you do it.

01:55:41 ◼   ► But it's hard.

01:55:44 ◼   ► It is a hard thing when people just want you to say,

01:55:46 ◼   ► "Should I buy it or not?"

01:55:47 ◼   ► Because I do, to me, I can't answer either way.