123: Live From WWDC 2015 With Guest Phil Schiller
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Ladies and gentlemen, Daring Fireball Productions is pleased to welcome you to mezzanine.
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Please silence your phones, take your seats, and welcome to the stage, You Look Nice Today.
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(audience cheers)
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- How's it going everybody?
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How you doing tonight?
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(audience cheers)
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I am Merlin Mann.
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- I am Adam Lisagor.
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- And we're used to having our friends,
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Scott Simpson out with us! Scott Simpson everybody!
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[audience cheers]
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Scott Simpson!
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[audience claps]
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Where's Scott Simpson?
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I have literally no idea.
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[audience laughs]
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You, I, did you, did you like,
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Get with him?
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Oh see, I was not under the impression that that was something that I was false under the rubric of my general...
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I guess I assumed that was something John would take care of.
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I had also likewise assumed that John would be taking care of this, notifying our partner.
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It's great to be here! How are you guys doing tonight?
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This is going really, really...
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Woo! Am I right?
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This is going really well. I see some friends in the audience.
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Oh my god you guys. Oh so many. Five, seven, nine...
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Nine friends in the audience.
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This guy had no idea.
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He had no idea.
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Oh that's...
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F***ing Groober!
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What a homemade piece of shit that guy is.
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He is great.
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We're all here to celebrate John Groober.
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I used to be into him.
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I used to be into him.
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Oh I was there in the beginning.
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into Apple stuff. And I was there for a while. Me too, I love his Apple writing.
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He writes about Apple stuff. Sometimes when he posts from Disneyland he remembers to close the
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bracket. No, I'm super into John. But no, I am too. I love him.
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Yes. We're here for him tonight to celebrate John Gruber. We're all here.
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Doesn't it seem like he phones it in a little bit these days though? I had not noticed that.
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Yeah, really? You don't notice that?
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No, interesting. No, I think he's a solid writer.
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Claim chowder? You don't notice that?
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I mean, come on! It's the biggest company in the world, like they're doing fine.
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You don't notice that?
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Yeah, but the haters, the haters must be punished.
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Oh, the haters, the haters.
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Ooh, they hate John.
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I heard he actually uses WordPress.
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With the cash off, because it doesn't really matter.
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It's not nearly as popular as it seems.
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Nothing against the guy.
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He's not as tall as he seems, but...
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That is true. That is true.
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He's much, much shorter in person.
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I heard he's actually not that into the Yankees.
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Just a little too far.
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A little too close to home?
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You know, I just... I was there with him.
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I was there every step of the way.
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I wanted to be there.
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But we're here for him tonight. We love the guy.
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Yes, we're definitely. Yeah, Gruber.
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All of us. John Gruber.
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We got a poll for John Gruber. John Gruber everybody. John Gruber.
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[Audience cheers]
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John Gruber.
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The top show.
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I kind of feel a little bit like you're defending him.
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Like you're kind of a little bit on his side.
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Well of course I am. He is the reason that I am who I am today.
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In every way. In every way.
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Really? You're the man you are now is because of John.
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Pretty much.
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Okay. Kind of don't get that.
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Something Apple, he had a site, it's the Apple stuff.
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- It's the, well, you know, it's his passion,
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his singular passion and vision
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for the whole landscape of Apple
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and the culture of Apple.
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It's a celebration.
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- It's a culture and celebration.
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- That means something, it's very dear to me.
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- Technology?
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- What are you doing right now?
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- I'm just, I'm literally curious
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about how he's inspired you.
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- Yeah, but we, this is not about me, it's about--
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Is it about the ads?
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Okay, okay. So...
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No, this is fine.
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No, tell him! Go ahead, tell him. It's like a personal project for me.
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John's sponsored reads.
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I don't know if you guys remember when he started doing these, it was just...
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He can almost pronounce fracture.
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you could almost pronounce most words and
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sure see if we both love being on his show right oh yeah we do we love I love
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it I mean I've had a great time as a guest on his show the reason in real
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time and then the second and third time he does it you just see right yeah you
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just nod nod no it's an audio presence of the master yes yeah you sort of you
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sort of make up a story about the sponsor yeah right I'm not getting paid
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I feel like there might be a set of Christmas lights in front of him and it lights up and
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It just goes glass base and then then like he says some words
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It's kind of just a general like chef's salad of words to come out, but here's what I did
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I noticed that he had a he had a little difficulty really selling it selling the product
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This is early on and I took him and I I took him under my wing and I molded him
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He's like a child to you. Yeah. Yeah, that's yes
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So there is some sort of ownership over John's sponsorship with Reed's which are really like really world-class
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They are seriously the really good less slightly best CPMs to be they are
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Literally not the worst in the world so much every week
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Any more but then that's that's it's inspired you. It's like you see a child. Yeah, right
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I'm gonna I'm gonna build a swing sedan. I'm gonna push you all I'm saying is
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He used to be and now he is yes. He's a giant in the sponsored Reed's world
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You know, it's really true. Our thanks to John Gruber.
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He's not as bad as he seems, really.
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He kinda is.
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No, he's quite good. And that is why it is a tremendous, tremendous honor for Merlin and I to be here.
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There's a reason we call him the chairman.
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Ladies and gentlemen, John Gruber.
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Thanks, Scott.
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Welcome to the fourth annual live from WWDC talk show.
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I am John Gruber.
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This is the talk show.
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I'm assuming most of you are familiar with the situation.
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I have some administrative stuff to take care of
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before we really start the show proper.
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I will reiterate like I did last year,
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we have an open bar and we have a great sponsor
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who we can thank for that.
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You are all drinking on their dime and that's MailChimp.
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(audience cheering)
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If you don't know MailChimp
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and you ever have the need for email marketing,
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really check them out, MailChimp.com.
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Not kidding, I remember,
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did you guys remember this two years ago?
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There's like a minimum here on the bar
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and we came up short.
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And it was very embarrassing to me.
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And then I told you guys this last year.
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I said, "So seriously, drink."
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And we went way over last year.
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That was better, that was better.
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So do that again.
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If you're thirsty, go get another one.
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Seriously, it's all on MailChimp. My thanks to them.
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First time this year we have live video.
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So we are hopefully, knock on wood,
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going out to the world at large. Better to be here live,
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but second best, watch it on the stream.
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And that is thanks to Fracture.
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You guys know Fracture.
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(audience laughing and applauding)
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Anybody here doesn't know Fracture?
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Well, if you don't, they have this great service.
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You go to fractureme.com, that's their website.
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You send them your photos, they print them on glass.
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There's no frame around it,
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it's just right there on the glass.
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It looks amazing, they have great prices,
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They have sizes ranging from like these index cards all the way up to big 23 inch by 29 inch size.
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Can't go wrong. Go check them out and they have a special code just for this show.
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They want to see just how well this show did.
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If you use the code WWDC, very easy to spell, you'll save 15% on anything you order.
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So that's a tremendous deal. So my thanks to Fracture.
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And last but not least, the event itself is sponsored by a small software company in Seattle.
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They're a company called Microsoft.
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You guys know that. I mean, I write about Microsoft all the time.
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But no joke, here's the thing.
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If anybody here, has anybody here been to this show before in previous years?
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So this is their third year sponsoring the live talk show. I mean this is you
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know it's not that odd anymore. It really isn't and and they've really
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pivoted. They've made major investments in in their developer tools and their
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cloud infrastructure and built it out in a way that is it's tremendous for iOS
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Mac developers even Android developers but any platform they really have grown
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past being just about Windows and it's great stuff. We use it at Vesper for sync.
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Our sync system has never had a problem due to the hosting stuff there. It is
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absolutely rock-solid. I recommend it even if they weren't a sponsor I would
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recommend it but check them out. They have a special website that they've made
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and it's for their appeal to app developers regardless of your platform
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and the website is any app, any dev dot com.
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A-N-Y A-P-P A-N-Y D-E-F dot com.
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Go check it out, that's their message to you.
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I mean, but they're all over the place this year.
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They sponsored Down Rumple's Beard Bash last night,
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they sponsored Alt Conf, all sorts of great stuff.
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So my thanks to them.
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(audience applauding)
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So I have one guest for tonight,
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and it truly is, I use the words all the time
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when Moltz is on the show, I say a very special guest.
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That's not a very special guest.
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(audience laughing)
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This time I do have a very special guest,
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and I am very excited to introduce him.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I shit you not, Phil Schiller.
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(audience cheering)
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One giant selfie, everybody, no.
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(audience cheering)
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And I think Moltz is so funny, so I can't believe I got the cheer.
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So my first question every year at this event is always,
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"How'd you think the keynote went yesterday?"
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Well, they finally introduced all the things I was expecting, so...
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I think it went amazing. I was so impressed.
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And everyone did a great job, from Tim on to Jimmy,
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to Jimmy and and yeah a lot of work goes into it so you know I don't I don't
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think a company in this earth could have done better. I heard some laughter when
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you said Jimmy. Alright one person who did not appear on stage was you which
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was highly unusual. How many how many keynotes in a row had you been on stage
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prior to that? I've taken part either presenting or demoing over 50 keynotes in a row.
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So you should have gone for 56 would have been like a Joe DiMaggio streak.
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No no no there was no other reason than it just worked out that way this time
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and I worked really hard on it so.
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I thought that the opening with a Bill Hader short film was so great but like so over-the-top well-produced.
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Like when did the gears get started on doing that?
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Well a year ago we started thinking we need a really good video next year, truly.
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and I think about three weeks ago we came up with the idea.
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By the way, if anyone has a really good idea for an opening video next year,
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shilleratapple.com, I'll take all suggestions.
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We do. What's that?
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My only complaint is that it seemed to me that you cheated at the end
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because that didn't look like
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So the idea of the video, and we knew it would throw some people, so you're in that group,
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that it started by saying yesterday's rehearsal, and it was meant to be in a secret location
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where they were rehearsing separate from Moscone so people wouldn't know what the big production
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was, and that was the reason that it looked different, and that's our story and we'll
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stick to it.
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I should state up front that the rules for this interview were actually extremely simple.
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Phil said to me, "Ask me anything.
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I may not answer everything."
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This is true.
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But you know our PR rules, if you ask me some questions I don't like, you'll never speak
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to us again for the rest of your life.
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true. Whoever said yeah doesn't know I'm not gonna use that word. Meanwhile
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someone from Apple PR is up there with a gun pointed at my head like a like a
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stun gun. Yes. So like if I go down and then Adam is right there ready to come
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out and take over so the show will go on. All right a serious question very
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serious and it's going to come out differently today, a day after the keynote
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than I maybe expected it to. But I'm sure you've noticed it that it and it's not
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just this year it's been growing over the last few years is people keeping
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track of the diversity of the speakers in keynote addresses of various companies
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at various events and that one way that Apple has had an imbalance in that regard is the
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number of women in keynotes.
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Now yesterday that, talking about streaks, that streak was over.
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Jennifer Bailey introduced Apple Pay or the improvements to Apple Pay and Susan Prescott,
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I thought killed it.
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I honestly think that the I read ESPN for the articles
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got a bigger laugh than the Bill Hader thing.
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I mean, that-- but talk to me about that.
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Like, does that deserve a finally?
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And in fact, honestly, far from it.
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It deserves a that's good, more of it, not a finally.
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Yeah, there's clearly-- there's either some really high-pitched
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guys out there or there are women in the audience.
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I can't see anything, so that's awesome.
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This is clearly a topic that's been growing in technology,
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not just about Apple, but all companies,
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and particularly here in the Valley.
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And it's long overdue, and it's been gaining momentum
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that there are not enough women and minorities
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both represented across all technology companies.
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It's time to start counting it, paying attention to it,
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but more importantly, doing something proactively to help.
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And there are a lot of things that Tim has championed
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and driven at Apple now under his leadership.
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And this is one of those things on the list.
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He cares deeply about diversity at Apple
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and believes that this isn't just something
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to do because people tell you to do it,
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but because ultimately we will make better products.
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and our customers will get better products because you
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have a diverse group of people all bringing their talents
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and ideas to making those products.
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And ultimately, you'll do a better job
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and we'll all be happier.
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And so how do you do that?
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Well, there are a number of things you do.
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One of them is you present some role models and say, look,
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you can be a young girl in technology
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who wants to learn to become a programmer,
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become a marketing person, whatever.
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And there are people who have gone that path
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and been successful.
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And you should, too.
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look up to that and want to be that.
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And he cares deeply about it.
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And so we were really happy with this show
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that we had both Jennifer and Susan.
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Their roles are deeply involved in exactly what they presented.
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Jennifer's worked on Apple Pay from the start.
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I've been working with Jennifer at Apple
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since late '80s, early '90s.
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Susan's worked on my team for a good decade
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now doing product marketing.
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And not only are they really smart, great speakers,
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deeply involved and passionate about Apple,
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but those are two vice presidents at Apple, right?
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They're in leadership roles, and so that's good.
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It's a start.
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We wanna see more and more of that always.
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(audience cheering)
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Right, and my take has always been that the gist of it
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is it has to be more than just the surface level
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okay, we'll pick a woman or somebody else or person of color to go on stage because the way you guys do the keynotes
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it's the people who are responsible for the thing doing it and so there needed to be Apple Pay news
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Jennifer Bailey to go out and do it
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Exactly, right, and so that's even better though because it means that there really are in these positions of influence and
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You know getting shit done. Yes
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What kind of deal does Eddie Q have with the devil?
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He's a Duke fan, and they won the championship. He's a Warriors fan. They've never even been in the finals before. Now
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they're in the finals. What is going on there?
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Well, let me unwind that question because there's two different parts to it.
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First, Duke. It's no secret. Eddie went to Duke.
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been a fan since he was in college. He, you know, is good friends with Coach K. If
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you don't know Duke in basketball, Coach K is the greatest winning NCAA
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coach. And so rooting for Duke, like, isn't a big gamble that they're not
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going to win some championships because they can do it whether he roots for them or
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not. But he has rooted for them since college. So that's not it.
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You don't need a big deal to make that happen. That's happening. But the
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Warriors, Eddie has been a fan of theirs for a couple decades going to games. So
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he's been through some lean times and he's due. And so if you know Eddie like
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I do and we're really great close friends, Eddie is one of the most loyal
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people you can ever have as a friend or a co-worker. And so he's been loyal to
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his sports teams. And the last thing I'll say on this is if somebody's doing
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a deal with the devil for the Warriors, that's one crappy deal because it's been
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40 years without a championship,
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you're not a good deal maker.
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I care. I care.
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- All right, let's get down to some of the products
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that you guys talked about yesterday in WWDC.
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So I think I'll stick roughly to the order, you know,
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go in your order.
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I'm gonna mispronounce it.
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Cap-- Capitan.
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- You said it well last show.
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show. I'm a good guesser. I really did guess. At least one of you did. It is, I
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know there are definitely new features there some of the features are very cool
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I love the mouse shake thing. I'm serious. I have a giant 5k iMac. I need to know where my mouse is.
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But there used to be an init way back in like the ancient era that did the same thing. Yes.
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When the screens were this big. I know. You had a nine inch black and white Mac screen. You had to
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go like this to find a cursor. What was wrong with us? But yeah, in fact, I kid you not, I did it this
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afternoon I was working on some slides, I'm on a 27-inch iMac and I went "oh where's my cursor"
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and I like did the shake like "oh I'm not on El Capitan yet on this system it's not working"
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it becomes very intuitive very quickly. In large part though I guess there are some new features
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but it is mostly like a stability and refinement release of OS X or at least in large part that's
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part of the focus of it and that was what led me to guess El Capitan because it's like there was
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Leopard and then Snow Leopard which was sort of a hey let's slow down the new
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features and work on reliability and then there was Lion and Mountain Lion
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and I thought there's no such thing as Mountain Yosemite so...
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Very astute but to your to your to your point no we don't think of it as
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only a stability and performance release that is a big part of it but the
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features the teams have worked on we think will matter to all of us in our
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everyday lives using these these systems and they took a lot of work and some of
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them will have significant ramifications for a long time. I think most of all with
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Metal on the Mac on that. It's a huge opportunity for all of us so I think
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there's some really important things in this. Yeah I guess that is a big one and
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it really does sort of it's like this virtuous circle where you've got all
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these game developers, top game developers, cranking on iOS games for years and adopting
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Metal very quickly in the last year and already having code ready to go.
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And it really does, iOS is really helping the Mac here in terms of elevating the Mac
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as a gaming platform.
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Absolutely, especially in this case.
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It's this great leverage there.
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But it's not just for the gaming.
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I mean, that's a big part of it.
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It's great for Pro apps.
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And we've seen that.
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Adobe came in and did some work and were really impressed with what they could do on it.
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And our own teams have done it with systems, as Craig talked about, to have graphic software
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layers from the system starting to get accelerated with it.
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We see big benefits.
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So I think it is a system-wide opportunity.
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My son just wanted to thank you for the gaming.
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But there has been in the last year a sort of, I don't know if it's a meme, but a sort
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talking point that gained a lot of yeah me too I agree the basic gist of it
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being Apple software isn't as reliable as it used to be and it got out there I
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don't know I forget somebody wrote something about that
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no no let's let's just deal with the elephant in the room
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So there's a reason many of you read Marco's blog. He's a smart guy and he's a
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passionate guy and I read his stuff too. So it's worth it. And so complete
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respect for your perspective and your belief. Don't share them in this instance
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but I respect it and I mean that. They're...
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try to be magnanimous and you somehow step in it.
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So there's no doubt with every release there's bugs
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and there's things we hit on and there's things
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that the team's passionate about getting out there
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and fixing, but we're also very careful about
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tracking crash logs and AppleCare calls
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and Genius Bar visits and we even have a tool
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that is able to follow a lot of user forms
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to ascertain what the complaints are,
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and try to really gather a good set of metrics
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on all the issues.
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And in this case, I do think the storyline isn't really
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accurate with the reality.
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Not to say there aren't bugs and there aren't things driving
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some people crazy.
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Of course there are.
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But it isn't a change.
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In fact, if there's any change, I
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think the biggest change in Yosemite,
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truthfully, over the last year, was
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that we had a faster adoption rate of OS X than of any Mac OS in history.
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And so you saw a larger number of users faster in the release cycle in more diverse networks
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and environments in different uses and that surfaced even more things that would kind
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of happen over a slower ramp.
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And so there were things to chase out and go work on, no doubt about it.
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But I wouldn't say it's systemic to some issue or some wider thing going on, not in any way.
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The feedback I got, it seemed like you guys were taken a little surprised by that because
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a lot of the things that you measure were all saying this is better than before.
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We're seeing fewer crash logs per user.
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We're seeing fewer of certain problems.
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And I kind of feel like maybe what got lost in the shuffle there is that a lot of the
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problems people were having were things that don't even generate crash logs.
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it's sort of like, you know, like some of this discovery D stuff is just like all
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of a sudden my printer just isn't connected anymore. But it's... Hey, we take
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the good, you gotta take the good the bad, that's okay. I'll get it out of your
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system, let's laugh about it. Okay. You know, there's an example where I think
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everyone should be proud that if we're going to try something,
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it's great to try things.
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Sometimes it's OK to take a risk.
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You don't want everything to stay and never change.
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But if things aren't perfect and people are telling us
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they're not happy with how something's working,
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here we are.
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We haven't shipped El Capitan yet.
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Already dealing with that within this one year cycle inside
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of that to make a big change to make things better.
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And I think that's a sign of how much the team is
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willing to self-analyze what the situation is
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and do whatever's right.
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So, just for the record, before we move on to the next topic,
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you guys do read the radars that they file.
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Next up was iOS, iOS 9.
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And there's a lot in iOS 9, and there's the multitasking,
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and the keyboard, and the trackpad.
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All, to me, the gist of it is for a lot of people,
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this becomes a lot more of a productivity machine,
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than a huge leap forward for advanced iOS users, iPad users.
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In particular, the iPad features that the team
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for the last couple years has been looking at,
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what we think would be changes in experience.
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Remember, when we launched the iPad and the very first iPad,
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a lot of work went into rewriting
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all of the applications of the system
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to take advantage of that big, beautiful screen.
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And a lot of thought went into that.
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And then we put that out in the world
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and saw how people use it, and then we went back to it
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and said, well, what are the next things
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we need to do unique for iPad to make
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it a more productive, more useful product in the things
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And one of the things was to help
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you use multiple applications in new ways.
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And it actually took a couple years of development
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to get to this.
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It wasn't like someone woke up six months ago and said, hey,
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let's do multi-window multitasking on this.
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It took a while to, for example, put out last year the size
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classes and auto layout in iOS so people can develop
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essentially for iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.
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But we knew that by doing that work,
00:31:12
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we were laying the groundwork to make this happen with El Capitan
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So some of these things take multiple years to put everything in place to do it the right
00:31:21
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Because you can rush it out and do it the wrong way, and then we don't all like where
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I thought it was the...
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I was sitting, not in the middle, but farther back, I was really in the mix with the developers
00:31:32
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And I thought that that got the weirdest reaction, like the most mixed reaction from the crowd,
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was when Craig said, "You've already done the work.
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If you've been listening to us and done this auto layout and the sides classes, you've
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already got it."
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And there was this really mixed reaction where it seemed like half of the developers were
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And they totally understood how Twitter maybe came in and really did like 50 minutes of
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work and got it working because they already had it.
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And then the other half of the developers were like "Uhhhh."
00:32:00
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Like when you guys offer a hint as to what developers should be doing, people should
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take the hint.
00:32:10
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I think our batting average is pretty good on that.
00:32:12
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(audience laughing)
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- Wow, that's weird.
00:32:18
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My next question was about 64-bit carbon.
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(audience laughing)
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That's an old note from a,
00:32:25
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this card is very old.
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This is from a, hold on.
00:32:30
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(audience laughing)
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This is our audience, Phil.
00:32:40
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(audience laughing)
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- A 64-bit Carmen joke got allowed.
00:32:44
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(audience laughing)
00:32:47
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- A pain's allowed.
00:32:49
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- Yeah, there's probably some angry people out there.
00:32:51
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(audience laughing)
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It's all good now.
00:32:55
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Last thing on iOS, and it's a big thing,
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and I really thought you guys hit it several times.
00:33:01
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I think you almost couldn't have been more clear on it,
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and I really think it is the biggest story
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in the industry this year.
00:33:09
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I mean, you know, it's not like a flash in the pan.
00:33:11
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I think it's ongoing.
00:33:13
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But it's hard to summarize, but it's
00:33:15
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this idea of contextual awareness with your devices
00:33:20
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and services in terms of telling you if it's going to rain,
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or the Craig's example of knowing
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you're getting in your car.
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You know, traffic patterns, you got to leave for the airport,
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all these type of features.
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and how a company and a platform could implement them
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with the flip side of...
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How did you say it? How did you guys say it in the keynote?
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It was the second most popular mapping app on iOS.
00:33:53
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But there's this argument going on and then the flip side of it
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is this privacy issue with data collection
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and all sorts of things are coming out at once
00:34:00
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and Google is doing features like this, you guys are doing features like this
00:34:04
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And just, I think by coincidence,
00:34:06
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but the Annenberg School of Communication
00:34:08
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had this widely cited paper that just came out this week.
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I'm sure you saw it.
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The gist of it being that typical consumers
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do care about the privacy
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and the implications of the information
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that online companies like Facebook and Google
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are collecting.
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They're not comfortable with a lot of it,
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but they kind of feel helpless about it.
00:34:29
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And they're like, "Oh, I guess I gotta,
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I guess Google knows where I am all the time."
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But you guys seem to have a different vision on this.
00:34:35
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And the flip side of the art, the last part of it,
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I know this is a very long question.
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(audience laughing)
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Are you with me so far?
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- Yeah, I'm waiting for the question.
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(audience laughing)
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- The gist of it though is that a lot of people
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are arguing that to implement these features well,
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a company has to collect it in an identifiable way
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and keep a sort of dossier on you,
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otherwise the features don't work.
00:35:00
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And you guys seem to have a very different stance on that.
00:35:03
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And obviously, this is not new.
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This is something we've believed for many, many years
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and hoped that it would get traction
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that more and more people would start to care
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and question the choices they have to make.
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If ever there's a modern definition of a Faustian bargain,
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this is it, right?
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Which is that if you wanna get the features,
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give us all this information about your life
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that you'd really rather not.
00:35:26
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And we've believed for a very long time
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that that doesn't have to be the case.
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And so we've built systems and processes all around the idea
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that in order to help users, you can
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do things that are surprising and delightful and magical,
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but we don't know your data.
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If there's something that has to get through our server,
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then it's non-identifiable.
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And if it can be done in any way on your device
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without going to our server, then that's
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the better place to do it.
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And that we think we can deliver great experiences protecting
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users' privacy.
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And that has been a belief for many years.
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And now it's really becoming a much more well-received
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And we're probably talking a little bit louder about it
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because we think people do want to hear it.
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But we haven't changed our feeling.
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This is our feeling for many, many years about it.
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But it's sort of coming to a head now because it's like--
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I feel like these features really bring out the difference
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in the two strategies.
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We hope people will see that I can get the capabilities I want
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and somebody standing up for my privacy and somebody,
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I mean, one of the great things about Apple, I believe,
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is that our customers trust us.
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They put trust in the fact that we're trying
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to make something that's quality.
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They put trust in the fact that we're gonna support them.
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They put trust in the fact that we're gonna respect
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privacy and security and do everything we can.
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And I think that these are the features
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that best demonstrate that today.
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(audience applauding)
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- I might be getting the next one out of order.
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It was a long keynote.
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My notes are a little mixed up.
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- I've been to longer, but.
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- I was wondering if maybe that wasn't the longest.
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I always thought that maybe you guys had like a loose rule
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that you wanted to keep it under two hours.
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- We do actually.
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We think that in general, keynotes, people seem
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comfortable in the 145 to 210 kind of range.
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But that's never perfect.
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There's other times when things can be shorter or longer.
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And in order to get it to the length we did, we
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cut a lot of things.
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We were very, very aggressive on trimming back on--
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yeah, well, I was thinking more about the power feature in
00:37:51
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iOS 9 and how we you know we didn't even show the UI for that or a whole bunch of
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things that that are there that were actually really nice but we had to we
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have to and even then you know some people nobody seemed to get up and leave
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so I think we were okay. All right but I think next was Apple watch. Watch OS with
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lowercase W. Are you trying to kill me?
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I think it works really well. I think it's nice. It's ownable. It's special.
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I think you'll see. Give us time. We've been through many fun naming things. This
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is an easy one. There have been many fun naming things through the years. Some very
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emotional, some very easy and most of the time when all said and done you look
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back years later people say yeah you guys were right you know it all made
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sense together so so so I think we're doing the right thing. I'm hoping that
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it's like well was it the 3GS which was the one where they had a look your
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lowercase s the 5s and then you uppercase the s. As I said sometimes in
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middle of things we decide we haven't done the right thing and we fix it.
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All right hopefully right in your wheelhouse but one thing that really
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struck me is in the run-up to the release of the watch and in the TV spots
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that ran it ended with the watch is coming and then when it launched I think
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probably right around probably timed at April 24th, "The watch is here." And I
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thought that was such a great slogan but it also conveys the different position
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Apple is in now than even even 2010 with the iPad in terms of you didn't have to
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say which watch. Well thank you for liking the marketing I appreciate that.
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I don't think of it that way as necessarily different. When you look back with iPhone,
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you may remember that we started the very first ad for iPhone was a teaser ad during the Grammys,
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where it was just shots of people answering the phone and saying hello from famous movies.
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And yeah, that was a great ad. And we didn't have to say anything about it. Everybody knew
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that's because iPhone's coming, right? And so it was okay to do something and we had that freedom
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to express it that way. So in this case the whole world was anticipating the
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watch, they knew about the watch, we had you know introduced it last September
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and so as we're getting closer there had been a billion stories written about it
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so we didn't have to say much more than the watch is coming and show a lot
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of the designs and show a lot of the interface because one of the great
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things about the watch is the variety of choice you have with it and so the
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ad got to show that and it created some energy and some uplifting you know
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beats to it to get that sense that hey we're building up to a moment of
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excitement here the watch is coming and so I think it worked pretty well at that.
00:41:09
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All right thank you. A developer question so watch kit was announced last year at
00:41:18
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the end of the year which I think it surprised me because it was out before
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way before the watch months before so that developers could get ready for it
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And now here we are six weeks after the watch actually shipped and you guys, I know it's not out, it's coming in the fall when it's going to ship,
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but you've already, you know, developers probably spend all day in those sessions at WWDC learning about native apps on the watch.
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Do you think, was doing WatchKit first worth it rather than just waiting to go right to native apps?
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Well, time will tell, and that'll be the judge of it, but I think so.
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We've been through this once before with iPhone, and that model we had a year without any native
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apps, just web apps, and then came out with the SDK and all the APIs necessary to do a
00:42:09
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good job with apps, and that model worked great.
00:42:13
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People were frustrated during that time, but it worked great.
00:42:16
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In this case, we knew we, again, need to finish the software, get the first version out before
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we could solidify the SDK and APIs to do native apps.
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And so what do you do in the time before that?
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Do you give developers an opportunity
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to do something on it?
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Do you create a watch kit?
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And will that watch kit have enough value
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for certain kinds of apps that it will make sense anyway
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in the fullness of time, even with the full native APIs?
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And obviously, our belief was, yeah, it
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would help to have developers do it
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to use watch kit from the beginning.
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And there are many classes of apps
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that may be exactly what they want,
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And they don't need to do more than that
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and use the full native version.
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But others will.
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And I think that gave the maximum opportunity
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for developers.
00:42:58
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And so the one other thing we did that I think--
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because we talk about this.
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The same thing you guys all talk about,
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we talk about internally all the time.
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And we said, how will people react to that if we bring
00:43:07
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out WatchKit and then native?
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So if you may recall, back last September
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when we talked about it in last year's developer conference,
00:43:14
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we said-- and we will bring out a native API and SDK later--
00:43:19
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We wanted people to know that that was coming,
00:43:21
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so no one could say, "Oh, I wouldn't have done this
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"if I had known that."
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And so we wanted to make sure there was transparency
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and openness about that.
00:43:28
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- Good answer.
00:43:31
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(audience laughing)
00:43:40
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I think Apple Music looks amazing.
00:43:43
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I think that the size of the catalog is amazing.
00:43:47
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I think it, what was the phrase in the moving the needle in the entire music industry? I
00:43:53
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really do. I kind of thought the segment in the keynote was a little long.
00:43:58
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You say potato, I say potato, but. There's my big question and this is where
00:44:06
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I'm rocketing towards being an old man. I just don't know. That's a very serious question.
00:44:13
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So the basic proposition is you pay $10 a month.
00:44:17
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There's a three month free thing to get started,
00:44:19
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you know, see what it's like, see how much you like it.
00:44:21
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But the basic idea for the long term is
00:44:24
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you pay Apple $10 a month and you can listen to all of it.
00:44:28
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Are there a lot of people who wanna pay $10?
00:44:32
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Well, I think it's a great deal, I really do.
00:44:34
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I mean, I think the family deal is a no brainer.
00:44:36
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I really think it's a great bargain.
00:44:38
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But I'm an idiot, I've been paying for music my whole life.
00:44:41
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(audience laughing)
00:44:43
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I was so happy when the iTunes store came out because I hated the Napster stuff because the songs didn't have the metadata
00:44:49
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and it's like you're doing all this cleanup work just to like get the file names right. It's like just let me pay it.
00:44:54
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But is that, is there a lot of people, are there a lot of people out there who are going to pay ten dollars a month
00:45:00
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for a music service?
00:45:01
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Well, obviously we believe so. We think that once you see the service and you start to use it,
00:45:08
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you'll realize the benefits of
00:45:11
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having really great curated curated lists and you know albums and playlists and things being recommended to you and every time you see something
00:45:19
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you say oh, I like that. I want to listen to that. I want that playlist great
00:45:22
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I'll use that the next time I go on my trip. Oh cool new album. I want that and
00:45:25
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you don't have to think about it anymore
00:45:27
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you're just getting it and then you know and some people think that's all people will do or some of us who are
00:45:34
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older and a lot older
00:45:36
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There's I have favorite artists that I just want to buy it just because I do I'm it's just locked in my brain that way
00:45:42
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And so I'll still have you still have the iTunes store you can buy the things you want to buy
00:45:46
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You don't have to choose between the two models, but once we're on this for a while
00:45:51
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We're all living it we understand the social impact of music. That's completely available to you
00:45:56
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I think it's going to change enough
00:45:59
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Especially if there's that impetus coming from the curation and the recommendations that will keep you really wanting to
00:46:05
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to just add all that to your library constantly.
00:46:08
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- What do you think connect is got
00:46:15
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that's gonna make it succeed where Ping didn't?
00:46:19
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(audience laughing)
00:46:22
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- A better name to start.
00:46:25
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It's an opportunity to,
00:46:32
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on a bunch of levels that's different.
00:46:35
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I think Connect is much more been built from the ground up
00:46:39
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from an artist's perspective of what
00:46:41
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would they like to share with their fans
00:46:43
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and how do they like to communicate.
00:46:45
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And so for Connect, the artist will
00:46:47
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have a very simple ability to create whatever content they
00:46:50
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want-- videos, audio tracks, photos and lyrics,
00:46:55
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and on and on-- and the ability to like and say
00:47:00
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what you care about and then instantly also share it
00:47:03
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directly to other social networks--
00:47:04
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you're not locked into one network, and the ability to communicate with users, it's not a one-way pipe.
00:47:10
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And so I think that it's a much more interactive environment and the ability to share a lot more, and we'll see.
00:47:16
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But we think that based on the artists who have worked with us on it, that it's the kind of environment they want to contribute with fans.
00:47:24
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You and I just have a lot of times when we meet off the record or whatever, we blow the whole...
00:47:32
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We never meet off the record.
00:47:33
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(audience laughing)
00:47:35
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- We'll have like-- - You just think we do.
00:47:37
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- But it'll be like 20 minutes,
00:47:38
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and we'll blow the whole thing talking about like cameras
00:47:41
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and James Bond movies.
00:47:42
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- Yes, I tried so hard.
00:47:44
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I realized it when I got invited to this,
00:47:47
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and I didn't have time,
00:47:48
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'cause the one place you could order it
00:47:49
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was gonna take two weeks.
00:47:50
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I want to get this Specter logo t-shirt to wear,
00:47:53
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just for you. (audience laughing)
00:47:55
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But I couldn't get a nice octopus logo t-shirt,
00:47:58
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but I couldn't get it. - But one of the things
00:47:59
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that we both share a passion for is photography and cameras.
00:48:02
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and you know, like a hobbyist type thing.
00:48:06
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I've been thinking, I think it's so clear
00:48:11
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and the Shot with iPhone marketing campaign shows
00:48:15
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that you guys clearly believe it too,
00:48:17
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but that Apple has become one of, if not the,
00:48:21
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leading camera companies in the world, the.
00:48:24
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(audience laughing and applauding)
00:48:32
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And in the old days, being a camera enthusiast, you really were, it was like about the lenses,
00:48:37
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you know, and it still is, you know, if you have with the other cameras we have.
00:48:40
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But with today's era of photography, it's really about mobility,
00:48:46
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and it's not about lenses and sensors, although that's part of it.
00:48:51
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But it's the software that processes the images off the sensor,
00:48:55
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which is why there might be other cameras from other companies
00:48:58
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that might use the same sensors that you guys have or similar ones and the
00:49:03
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pictures don't look the same and after that how do you get them on the phone
00:49:08
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and how do you send them to where they're going and how do you edit it and
00:49:12
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crop it and fix the rotation and then two years from now how do you get back
00:49:16
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to that picture it's this whole circle but it's like the it's called the iPhone
00:49:24
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but to me I would rather if I could have if you said hey one of your apps is
00:49:28
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going to break for the next week. It's either the phone app or camera app. I want my phone
00:49:32
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app to break. Do you see it the same way? Oh yeah. The camera capabilities of iPhone
00:49:39
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is for me one of the most personally valuable and important parts of it. It has been for
00:49:45
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quite a long time. And as you said, we both share a passion for prosumer photography.
00:49:51
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I'm no great Ansel Adams, but I love photography. I love the process. I love the thought that
00:49:57
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goes into it. I have cameras of all different sizes and kinds. And photography is really
00:50:03
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powerful and especially once you have families engaged you realize how this stuff is meaningful
00:50:08
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for the rest of your life. And we've been putting a lot into it. But I will start with
00:50:14
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the most important adage in photography. Anybody who hears of serious photographer knows the
00:50:19
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old line and it's true. It's not the camera, it's the photographer, right? A great picture
00:50:24
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comes from a great photographer, not a great camera.
00:50:28
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And so that aside, I got that done, we've been putting a lot of effort for many years
00:50:34
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now to building an incredible world-class camera team and working, doing custom work
00:50:40
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on sensors, building our own custom lenses, building our own flash technology, and most
00:50:46
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importantly the ISP and software that makes that all come together as a complete system.
00:50:52
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And the same mentality that goes into why a Mac is better than a PC,
00:50:56
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and why an iPhone is better than some other junkie phone,
00:50:59
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that goes into the--
00:51:02
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--goes into the camera that it's a complete system designed together
00:51:06
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from the beginning to work together.
00:51:09
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And that's what results.
00:51:10
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You can't just piecemeal put a lens with a sensor with someone else's chip
00:51:15
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with someone else's software and get to the level of result
00:51:18
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we're able to achieve the way the teams work together
00:51:20
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to deliver a complete solution.
00:51:25
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I have to ask this.
00:51:28
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You guys have always had this--
00:51:31
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well, not always, but in the modern era of Apple,
00:51:35
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there's been this idea of, hey, here's three--
00:51:37
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good, better, best.
00:51:40
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Whether it's a Mac or a lot of different products, three--
00:51:43
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good, better, best.
00:51:46
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I think that with the current generation iOS
00:51:49
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devices going 16, 64, 128. I think that 16 it's really hard to make an argument
00:51:59
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that's good it's more like okay.
00:52:06
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So, I'm guessing you're all 128 gigabyte users in here. Me too. So, the 16, you know,
00:52:22
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we used to be lower and so it has increased. The iPhone didn't used to shoot
00:52:29
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video too. So one of the hopes and maybe we'll see how we realize it all, but the belief
00:52:40
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is more and more as we use iCloud services for documents or Azure if your product uses
00:52:47
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Azure or for our photos and for our videos, the more we're able to use these things and
00:52:53
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your music is in the cloud, that perhaps for the most
00:52:58
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price-conscious customer, the person starting out at the
00:53:01
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beginning of the line, are able to live in an environment
00:53:05
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where they don't need gobs of local storage because these
00:53:08
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services are taking off more and more of the load and
00:53:10
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making their life easier.
00:53:12
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And they can start with an entry point that's lighter
00:53:14
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than maybe you want, but gets their entire job done.
00:53:18
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And we work very carefully to canvas and survey exactly how
00:53:23
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much storage people use at different price points
00:53:25
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and how much they need.
00:53:26
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And if we can give them a great solution storage there,
00:53:30
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we can put that cost into other things
00:53:32
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to make sure they have a great camera,
00:53:34
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they have a great screen.
00:53:35
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And so it's all choices for the customer.
00:53:38
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And that's the hope.
00:53:40
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As more of this stuff is in the cloud,
00:53:42
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maybe we can have an easier entry point for some customers.
00:53:46
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You did say you wouldn't answer some questions.
00:53:52
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Wow, I can get much more non-answer than that.
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What do you say to the criticism that Apple has gotten too obsessed with device thinness?
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With year over year iterations that are getting thinner and thinner at a point where maybe if you had stopped
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and kept the device thinness the same and just filled that extra space with battery,
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whether it's a phone or whether it's a MacBook, where are you guys going to stop?
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going to stop? I mean is it going to be like a piece of paper? First of all I
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think that feedback is always great to hear and you know people tell us what
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they think and we always want to hear what things you want in a
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product because they all come with trade-offs and benefits and
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associated things. If you want a product that's thicker with a bigger battery
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well it's also heavier, it's also more costly, it also takes longer to
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All these things have ramifications
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designing a total system.
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And we look at this very, very, very carefully.
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The engineering team and the industrial design team
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work together and model every thickness and every size
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and every weight.
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And we hold these things and we work with them
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to try to figure out what the feature benefit trade-offs are.
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And I don't think we've hit the point yet where we're trading
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off thinness for features and capabilities at the expense of the best
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optimized product. I really don't. I love my new 12-inch MacBook. I think it's an
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incredible product. I use it constantly and I love how thin and light that
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feels and I love the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and I think we've made great
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choices there. And yes, this is something we talk about constantly, but
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I think we've made the right choices so far.
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All right, two-part question. What color is your new MacBook?
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How many USB ports does it have?
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So mine is the space gray
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But I'm glad there's individual choice diversity is important the
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And mine has one USB-C port, as you well know, with that leading question.
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But again, be careful what you ask for, right?
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Because what the design team first envisioned when we started working on MacBook was to
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say, if all we do is incremental slight change, where's the excitement, where's the value
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of Apple pushing things forward?
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We need to take bold risks.
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If people don't like it, well, they can keep buying the MacBook Air, they can keep buying
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the MacBook Pro, but why don't we design a product that's around this wireless world
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that has really no physical connection that you need.
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You can get by without ever needing that.
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Wouldn't that be a better world?
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In doing that, we realized, yeah, but we do need to charge it, so let's go create this
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one port that can charge and be USB and be your video out.
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And that way, if you need to connect, you can.
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You're not giving that up.
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But this is really design.
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And if you do that, how far can you push it?
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How thin can it get?
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How light can it get?
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How aggressive a design can it be?
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And I think if--
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I'm in my job for one reason, because I'm a
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customer like all of you.
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I love these products.
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I love this company.
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I want this company to be the best Apple can ever be.
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And one of the ways it can be the best Apple can ever be
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is to take bold risks and try to think of new things
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that others aren't willing to do.
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I remember-- I mean, this is all the same mentality as I
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remember when we took out the floppy.
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Oh, and I'm sure many of you all do too.
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It's the exact same thinking.
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I sat in the room with friends of mine who worked at other
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companies in Texas and other places, and they literally
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said, oh my god, I'm so jealous.
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We can't do that.
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We can't do that.
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We can't take the risk because if the world is going to be risk adverse and
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doesn't want us to take away anything, then if Dell doesn't have a floppy,
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but Toshiba does, they'll just buy the Toshiba.
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They're all the same, except if you're missing one thing,
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no one will buy your stuff.
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You said you're so lucky.
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You make something where your customers give you the opportunity to try something
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in a completely different way, and they listen to you when they try it.
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And if you have to adjust and make an external drive for a couple years, great,
00:58:30
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You'll do it, but you get to make that change and move on.
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That's the embodiment of this new MacBook, which
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is take a bold risk.
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Maybe some people will think it's not perfect to them yet,
00:58:40
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but for a surprising number of people,
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it's already their future laptop.
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The customer satisfaction is off the charts on it.
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Customer demand is great.
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Does anyone here have a new MacBook and love it?
00:58:56
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So that's the Apple I want.
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I want an apple that's bold and taking risks and trying new things and being aggressive.
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So, you've been an apple for a couple of years.
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Half my life.
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A lot of that time, an adjective that was often used to describe Apple was "beleaguered."
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And there were some hard times, and there were years when you guys were truly the underdog.
00:59:40
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And now, there's no way that anybody could argue that the most profitable company in the world is the underdog.
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but yet people still seem to manage to say that you're one step away from collapse.
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Like, does that surprise you that it hasn't stopped?
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Like, I don't think it was surprising in, say, 1997
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that there were a lot of articles predicting doom for the company.
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Do you find it surprising that there are articles in 2015?
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Honestly, no.
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I don't know if, personally, I don't know if I'd know how to act
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if people didn't write that and didn't say that.
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Because I've been through all that.
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You all have read the stories.
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There was a moment there where Apple was truly six months
01:00:27
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from gone and out of business.
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And we've been through this cycle.
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And as someone really smart once said,
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there's nothing to make you take bold moves than a near-death
01:00:42
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And we had that.
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And having people tell you that you're all not that smart,
01:00:47
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your products aren't that great, you're not going to survive,
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is actually emboldens you to do good work
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and try to make each thing better
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and be aggressive and hungry.
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And I think that's also the way Apple should be.
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And we don't need to be told how great we are
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and how big we are.
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It's not about that.
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And we don't want it to become about that.
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It's not about PDEs and it's not about market value.
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I mean, sure the finance team has to worry about that.
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of the rest of us, it's about are we making the best product? Do people love what we do?
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Or is it changing lives? And if it isn't, then beat us up till it is. And that's a good
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place. And I don't remember any great product we've made where people haven't panned it
01:01:26
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in the press in the beginning. I mean, they panned the iPhone. They panned the iPod. They
01:01:30
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panned the iPad. And great, say it, you know, because that's--I don't know what a successful
01:01:36
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product is if it doesn't start out with people saying, "I don't get it and I don't like it."
01:01:47
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This has been great.
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I really appreciate you being here and the time we've spent.
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Did you say "but"?
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No, no, not "but."
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But I was going to--
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I did say "but."
01:01:59
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But before we finish up, do you remember the first time
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you got in contact with me?
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It was a long time ago now.
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It was October 2004.
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Earlier in the month, the Yankees had,
01:02:18
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maybe it was September, I don't know,
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might have been September, I forget when the ALCS,
01:02:21
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probably October, probably October, probably early October.
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My favorite team, the New York Yankees,
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had taken a three games to nothing lead
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against the Boston Red Sox.
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And I still have this tradition,
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it's just been a number of years
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since I've been able to do it,
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which is when the Yankees are in the post season,
01:02:42
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I use their logo instead of my star in a circle.
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And I used to in the early years, 2002, 2003,
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when I was really greedy,
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'cause the Yankees used to win the World Series
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every single year,
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I didn't even count the division series.
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I didn't change the logo
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until they got to the AL championship series.
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Those are the days.
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Well, one thing led to another, and I don't know what happened,
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but somehow the Red Sox ended up winning that ALCS.
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[cheers and applause]
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And it was--
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- Greatest choke in baseball history.
01:03:20
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- So I wake up the next day, and I was despondent,
01:03:22
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'cause it was like, "Jesus, of all the teams today--"
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I mean, number one, losing three games is nothing.
01:03:26
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That hurts, but to the Red Sox.
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And I start to work, and I--
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Well, you know, whenever I'm in a bad mood,
01:03:32
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it's like, my work can distract me.
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And I go, and I check my email,
01:03:35
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And this is back in the day when you didn't get the preview.
01:03:39
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I forget what the subject was, but it said "From Philip Schiller."
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And I thought, "Somebody's pranking me."
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And I clicked on it, and it's from philschiller@apple.com, and it said, "Hey, John."
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It's so great, because I changed the logo back because they lost the game, and it said,
01:04:04
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It's so great to see the regular logo back on Darren's Fireball.
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[cheers and applause]
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The Yankees put up a good fight.
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Regards, Phil.
01:04:20
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Now, do you remember? Is it coming back to you?
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- Oh, yes, I remember that week really well.
01:04:28
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My reaction that morning was so bifurcated.
01:04:32
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It was, "Holy shit, I got an email from Phil Schiller and he reads 'Daring Fireball'!"
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And it was like half an icy dagger in my heart, like the last
01:04:44
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remaining warm blood in my body was just drained.
01:04:49
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That's what I was shooting for.
01:04:58
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But to show I'm...
01:05:00
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Obviously, I grew up in Boston, so I'm a big Boston sports fan.
01:05:06
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I don't care how much air is in the ball.
01:05:11
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I'm a Brady fan, and take it for what it's worth.
01:05:15
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But that series-- so the third game,
01:05:17
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I happened to be on an Apple business trip in New York
01:05:20
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during the third game.
01:05:21
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And I said, I've got to watch the game.
01:05:23
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And I said to someone in the hotel,
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I'm going to go, where's a good place
01:05:25
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to watch the baseball game?
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They said, well, the Mickey Mantle bar.
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I said, "It's a Yankees game at the Mickey Mantle Bar.
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"All right, I'll go."
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And I went and I whipped over my Red Sox cap.
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I was the only Red Sox fan in the entire Mickey Mantle Bar
01:05:38
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and that was the game we got beat like 17-six or something.
01:05:41
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And I took a drubbing and everyone giving me a hard time
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and it was worth it because look,
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we stunk and we deserved it.
01:05:48
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And so I felt I'd really taken the pain
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and there was this cathartic thing that I could nicely,
01:05:55
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and I think I wrote that email probably 12 times
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in different ways.
01:05:59
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Digging you, teasing you, being tongue in cheek,
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and finally just said, just the simple, clean way.
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That's the way to go.
01:06:08
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So I told this story before the show
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to one of your colleagues, Bill Evans at Apple.
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He goes, oh yeah, classic Phil.
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He goes, that's Phil all the time.
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So anyway, thank you Phil.
01:06:26
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A couple more thank yous.
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I want to thank everybody here at Mezzanine.
01:06:34
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This place is great.
01:06:35
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I have had nothing but good things to say about here.
01:06:38
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The entire staff, everybody from sound, security,
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the bartenders, everybody let's give it up for them.
01:06:45
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(audience cheering)
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I want to thank my friend Caleb Sexton.
01:06:51
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He's handling audio tonight.
01:06:53
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and turning this into the audio podcast,
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making sure we sound good.
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I wanna thank my sponsors, MailChimp,
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who sponsored the bar, our friends at,
01:07:02
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(audience cheering)
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our friends at Fracture, who sponsored the video.
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I'm glad nobody yelled anything.
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Did the video stay up?
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(audience laughing)
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- It's hard to do right.
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(audience laughing and cheering)
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(audience cheering)
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And Microsoft, thank you Microsoft for sponsoring the event.
01:07:32
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(audience cheering)
01:07:35
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I also wanna thank Jed Hurt and Jake Schumacher.
01:07:39
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They're the directors of the documentary app,
01:07:42
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The Human Story.
01:07:43
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They're here tonight shooting this
01:07:44
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just to help with the video feed and everything like that.
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That should be coming out later this year, early next year.
01:07:52
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Great movie that they're helping out with the video.
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And then lastly, I want to thank all of you.
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(audience cheering)
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You guys are the best audience in the world.
01:08:06
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You guys get it.
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I really appreciate it.
01:08:10
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They say at Mezzanine, they thank me,
01:08:12
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and they're like, "Your show is the best.
01:08:14
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"These people are so nice."
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(audience laughing)
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So thank you for that.
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Thank you, Phil.
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(audience cheering)
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(audience cheers)
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(audience applauding)
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