172: ‘Holiday Party’ With Merlin Mann
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Been a heck of a day. I've had a very interesting 30 hours.
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Yesterday morning, we woke up early. I knew I had jury duty at the Superior Court.
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On voting day.
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I only found out finally yesterday that I'm registered under two addresses, and basically
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that's why I get called constantly. And I'm jury crack. I always get called. I
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always get picked. And no matter what I say, they're like, "That's great. We could
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really use you." So, and in this case Superior Court, oh my god, what's it gonna
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be? Long story short, we get up early. The three of us go to the polling station. My
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daughter drops in the ballot for Hillary Clinton. I go to jury duty. I narrowly,
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narrowly avoid a multi-month attempted murder jury duty. John Gruber, I'm
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literally rocking in my seat and making this noise. I won't drag this out,
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but basically I pleaded hardship even though they said they're probably not
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gonna let us off for that. I astoundingly got deferred. I walk up 6th Street.
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Are you familiar with Sixth Street?
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You know what?
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I am oddly familiar with Sixth Street in San Francisco.
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You don't unsee Sixth Street.
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You don't forget Sixth Street.
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I walk up Sixth Street, and it's like a Godspeed,
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you Black Emperor song.
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It's just a lot of people with sores and amputations.
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I saw a sobbing man pooping on the street.
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There's a lot of screaming and dogs.
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And it's basically-- it's like the end of the world.
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And that was my morning up till about 11.30.
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So then I just went home and started rocking at home.
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I couldn't even play threes.
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I'm just rocking, going, hmm.
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Because I'm already--
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I'm sorry, I'm monopolizing your show.
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I don't want to make a big deal about it,
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because I think it's unseemly--
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It was a bad start.
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It was a bad start to a bad day.
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And I hope that those would all be good portents.
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But that was my morning.
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And then, yeah, how are you feeling?
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You having a good day?
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No! Here's the thing. I think you and I owe it to the world. We owe it to America.
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We're gonna do this show and we're gonna do a show for everybody.
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Okay. You don't have to be an Apple fan. Are you with me so far?
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Oh, I'm so with you. You're gonna get notes. We're gonna get notes because we're
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gonna miss some people well we're trying to scoop up everybody we're trying to
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work where we've I don't know we've got the scoop we're coming in for everybody
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are you having a holiday party there Merlin we're coming in we're coming in
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the scoop. We're coming in for everybody. We're gonna try to pick everybody up.
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- Yeah, okay. - And we're gonna miss some people. There's no doubt about it. There's no way.
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- You can't get every person. That's the first person you learn.
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- Right. And we're gonna miss some people. - Yeah.
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- This is an epi... In my opinion, this is the most special episode of this podcast I've ever
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recorded. I've recorded many Star Wars... That one's your... isn't that still your
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record holder? Yeah, of course. Star Wars episodes are about an eight episode...
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eight hours long. Okay. And you know, I mean, we've had... I mean, we've had Harrison
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Ford on, we've had Mark Hamill on. He was a lot nicer than I expected.
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Carrie Fisher. I mean, some very special guests for those episodes. Nothing is
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going to compare to this episode of the show and I'll I will tell you what sure
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no no pressure well there was only one person we're trying to scoop up
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everybody but we're gonna miss some people well I will tell you this I mean
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I'm gonna be honest open kimono I'm opening the kimono here I'm not happy
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with the election results.
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I honestly fear for the state of Western democracy.
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I absolutely, positively had too much to drink last night.
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And when I woke up this morning, I
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thought, there's only one person I
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can ask to be on my show today, and it's Merlin Mann.
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And I will say this.
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Yeah. I reached out to you for this very special emergency episode. Right. Because I'll tell you
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what, I am in general, I try to go once a week. And once a week would have put me like a couple
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of days before the election. And a couple of days ago, I was too pre-election obsessed. And I
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I thought, nobody wants to hear pre-election obsessed John Gruber talk about the keyboard
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on the new MacBook Pro.
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I mean, who the fuck cares about the goddamn key travel on the MacBook Pro two or three
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days before the end of Western civilization?
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So I thought, I can't do it.
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I probably should have.
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I should have just done like a regular show, just called "Molt Up" again.
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You know what I mean?
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Couldn't you also, you as a person, you enjoy
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a winning franchise
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with a story. Oh, I do. And one thing I've learned from you and I share with a lot of
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people is that distinction you made one time, I think on this program, talking
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how there's numbers people in baseball and there's story people
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yes you know with regard to fans I still actually I still think about that a lot
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and it did have an effect on how I think about
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sports as a thing but I'm not trying to take the piss I mean you you you like
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you know you you like the you like the Yankees you like
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with cowboys right yep you like you like these teams with a storied past
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who are gonna win so it it makes sense for you
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to wait until the inevitable win
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to be able to talk about it in a way that's, I don't know, more celebratory.
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I mean, why be jittery on air?
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Because it all seemed like it was going in the right direction, mostly.
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I mean, I don't even know where to begin.
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You know what?
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I'll just tell you this.
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I was thinking last night, and early on, early on, I started tweeting less.
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Because you know what I started thinking like, you know what I like to do.
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And I think people who who, you know, certainly people who listen to the show,
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but people who follow me on Twitter certainly know
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I like to tweet during sporting events I care about.
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And it is a similar feeling in my stomach
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when there's like a sporting event I care about
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and an election I care about.
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But then there's a difference, and the difference is that sports don't mean anything.
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And that's kind of the fun part about sports, and I know that there's...
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Yeah, everything that's wonderful about sports is what the fan brings to it.
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You can choose to bring all different kinds of history and expectations and import, but
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you get to pick what you're going to be very emotional about.
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You get to kind of on some rational level you get to decide why those stakes are important, right?
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like if six months ago you you something happened and and you had a terrible head injury and
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You went into a coma
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but you're a terrific baseball fan and you don't wake up until like the middle of next year and
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Ah, you wake up and you're like who won the World Series and somebody tells you well, it was the Cubs
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Cubs. The state of the world outside the word "C-U-B-S" Cubs is actually not any different
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than if they said, "Oh my God, it was the Cleveland Indians."
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I feel like I only hear this, but a lot of people say that was probably one of the better
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World Series games. Some people will put that in their top 50 games.
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No, there's people who would put it in their top five games.
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I mean, it was an amazing game.
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But the truth of the matter is that outside of the baseball park,
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it doesn't really matter.
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And that is-- so I do.
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I woke up yesterday, and I thought, you know what?
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This feels like when the Yankees are in the World Series.
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I've got that feeling.
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I can't sleep.
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I'm jittery.
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Except I know that this time it cares.
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And in one regard, it makes me say,
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this is why sports are great.
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And in the other regard, it makes
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me say, this is why a lot of smart people
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don't give two craps about sports,
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because sports are actually nonsense.
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And I kind of feel like this election brings that
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There's, um, I mean, I, I don't like getting involved in a lot of political, I don't like
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talking about politics in public. I have, I have my feelings about all kinds of stuff in life,
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and who knows, maybe it's time for me to talk more about it. But I, I feel like, generally speaking,
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the cost-benefit analysis on having a strong public opinion that's unambiguous, and you argue
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about it a lot and you encourage people to pick or continue fights with you. That's
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not my personality. It's not how I want to live. It's not who I want to be, but that
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doesn't mean I don't have those strong opinions. So my card's on the table. And I'm that guy.
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I'm that guy that used to say, "Get rid of all your news tabs. Stop following stuff.
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Be out of time and attention." But I have started listening to probably half a dozen
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about politics this election year, some of which come out every day or twice or three times a week.
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I've been utterly steeped in that, but at almost every step of the way, even when things were not
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looking great for the Democratic candidate, there was still this part of me that said, "I think I
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understand enough about the bones of this country to know how this will end up." And on top of that,
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that I see enough stuff from different sources of data that tells me it'll turn out okay.
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Is this going to be the best election ever? No. But like, I swear to Christ, like, even
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up until yesterday, that confidence in the American bones is, I think I might have gotten
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it wrong. And so, that's kind of, when we were texting this morning, that's kind of
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where I am. I'm not too angry yet, I'm not too finger pointing, I'm not even to abject
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terror yet. I'm still stuck at sitting there in my living room with my family
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last night. My daughter was literally under a blanket. She put earplugs in and
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went under a blanket to read Wimpy Kid because she couldn't take it anymore.
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Yeah. I love the Wimpy Kid books. Oh, they're better than you think.
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But watching that little drip, drip, drip, and then seeing a
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state flip to red. And at first when we walked up, I picked her up at school like
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I said, "Hey, look, he's got three on the board already. Don't worry." People knew
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he was going to get those. Those are not giant electoral states. We talked, she knows about
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this from school. But anyway, I don't mean to prattle on, but I'm here today because
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I'm not even to where I know I'm going to end up. I'm just stunned by how wrong I
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I was and how poorly I saw. And I think I'm going to be processing that for at least a
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few days. It's just the—I mean, the words like "shock" and "surprise," it sounds
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silly. You know, I just listened to "Keeping It 1600," which is a show I like a lot.
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And they're just like, "We got every single bit of this wrong, and we feel bad that we
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told you not to wet the bed." And we, you know, it's—now I'm just sitting—I'm
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I'm babbling, but I'm sitting here and I'm just stunned with how much I got wrong.
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I'll eventually try to figure out what I got wrong, but at this point it's just an unconscionably
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large amount of assumptions that I had a fairly decent level of confidence in that I'm going
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to have to just rethink a whole bunch of things that make me very uncomfortable.
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I you know and and I
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Not for like
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Well, let's make sure everybody feels included sake
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but for hey, everybody is sick of the
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Divisive stuff is why I would love
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And I think you agree that this episode of the show should not be like hey Hillary should have won
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Donald Trump is an asshole. I I don't want to divide people
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because I mean it's
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Everybody's had enough of that and the time for that not least because Democrats are the second the second most surprised party today
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Right. I agree. I really I really believe I think so too, right? I don't think they this is I
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I don't think most people in their hearts really believe this would go this way.
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I do. I agree, and I honestly think if we want to just for a moment get a little political,
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that Donald—but seriously, Donald Trump's win is not a Republican win, it's a Trump win.
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What he is and what he represents and what drove his victory
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has almost nothing to do with the Republican Party I
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Would like for this episode of the show to be for everybody and I will just tell you that I
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My son who is not I wouldn't think is political because he's he's 12 years old, you know
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I mean, it's it's he's way too young to be political
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Before we sent him to bed last night. We're watching the results they were not
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you know, they were obviously heading towards where we are and
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he said that his stomach felt bad and
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I I mean it it killed me because what am I gonna say to him? You know, I mean, it's like yeah
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Well, they I mean I think I think
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Maybe less so as to get older but kids kids pick up a lot
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from the people around them, particularly their parents, doesn't mean they're going
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to listen or put on their shoes, but they can read a lot of the emotional
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temperature and barometric pressure in the room. And I think, and we've talked a
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lot about this election at home, a lot, a lot, a lot, and but I think the difference
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here is it's not that my team didn't win, it's that maybe I just don't understand
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baseball anymore. And that's a very different kind of thing to
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process and I think apart from the fact we're both crying a little bit which is
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never fun to do in front of your kid it's I think there was definitely the
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sense that this was something very much different I mean it's not like she sat
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and watched a bunch of presidential elections but it felt like the stakes
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were higher than we had any idea yeah he's that does that and then God what
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did what did Amy say today about I mean could you share what happened at his
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school? Well, I mean, the one thing was that we got a letter from the principal of the school,
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the head of the school, whatever they call the guy. But I mean, and they, you know, we got like
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an actual email that said like, the rhetoric of the guy who won the presidential election
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is still no longer accepted at our school, which is like...
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That's like when did you get the creepy clown letter in October?
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Yes, we got the creepy clown letter.
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And I remember thinking, oh my god, I know how busy our principal is.
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And I can't believe that she had to take any amount of time from her day
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to acknowledge that there was such a thing as creepy clowns, and then to feel the need or the,
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maybe the mandate. Maybe it came down from the Unified School District. But she had to say,
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there's a couple other things I'm not going to do today because I need to email everybody about
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creepy clowns and you're like wow that's you know just FYI for my purposes you
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don't need to keep on the creepy clown beat I I trust you to down the strength
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to just take care of that but that's something that the that your kids
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principal felt they needed to do on that note on that note you guys know fracture
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let me take a break and tell you about our first friend we're gonna laugh
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we're laughing you're gonna have a holiday party I feel like I should have
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one too that's just that's just what we need just need me to show up on my kids
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school in two hours just a little bit drunk that everything's gonna be fine
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Daddy's just sleepy. Today's host of the talk show is Harry Caray. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
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Seriously, I mean, we're laughing because we're crying, but I want to tell you
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You plug it in, and you get all that information,
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all the service information that your car can provide
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to like a mechanic or a service provider.
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But instead, you get it.
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You can, you know, if it's nonsense,
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if it's just like, oh, you know,
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the light is, you know, one of the lights is out
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or something like that, you can just turn it off,
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whatever you want to do.
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Otherwise, though, it gives you so much information.
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It gives you information on your efficiency,
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on like how you're driving your car.
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It gives you information on like fuel efficiency,
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all that stuff.
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- John, John, John, it does it all.
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It's an app plus it's a dingus.
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You did mention it's a dingus.
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It's a fantastic dingus.
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Here's the thing.
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Those fat cats, those fat cats in Detroit,
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they never, or Tokyo or wherever, no offense,
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no one will be ping pong,
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they never intended you to use that port for this.
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- That's true. - That's for them.
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That's for them, that's their port, don't use that.
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They're democratizing that port
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in a way that's very important in our country right now.
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You get that dingus, you get that app, you plug it in,
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and you know what, you don't have to think about it.
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You're gonna hear this beep, that means it's working.
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You can have it yell at you when you break.
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You could have it tell you,
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"Hey, quit driving so fast, you dork."
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And now, like John, for example,
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John lost his license now about five years ago.
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You were driving, I think you were driving 190
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in a 30 mile per hour zone.
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- Well, that was what they said I was doing.
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- Was it that fast?
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It was pretty fast.
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- I don't think that that's true,
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but that's what they flagged them for.
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- Well, the only goes-- - 105 in a 30 zone.
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- 105 in a 30, the spinometer only goes up so high.
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But you get this thing, it can do stuff,
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it'll automatically tag business trips
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for your expense purposes, it'll do all of that,
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and it will make you a better and more mindful driver.
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You don't have to think about it, it just works.
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It also works with things like IFTTT.
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You can hook it up to all kinds of different things.
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You can have it turn your frickin' lights on
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when you pull it on.
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This thing is dynamite.
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I'm laughing because you're the only person and you know I don't know if anybody who listens to this podcast regularly has noticed
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There's a couple of regulars who come back you're the only one who ever breaks in and helps with the sponsor read yeah
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Thanks, John. Well, but you're exactly right
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Well moles will never do it moles will sit there and text me while I'm doing it and he'll give me notes on how the sponsor
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read could be better but he won't break in and say anything
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moles sickening sick and won't say a goddamn word he's I use this I love it I
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bought this dingus with my own goddamn money and we use it and I look at it and
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it's a it's a it is a terrific device all right where do you go to find out
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There's the, the phenomes you need.
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My thanks to them.
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Great sponsor.
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I love them.
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I've got it plugged into my car.
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I've got the app.
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And it honestly, it has gotten me to sort of take the lead foot off the gas pedal.
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A little bit.
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That's so important.
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So did you ever get your...
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I mean, you probably shouldn't say it.
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No, I don't have a license.
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I haven't had a license in six or seven years.
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But the automatic becomes a kind of ad hoc license.
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It's licensed to be safe.
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They can just run with that.
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Did you get my text?
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My hope would be...
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Did you get my text?
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Can I tweet it?
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My hope would be that the people...
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I mean, there's not that many people who listen to the show.
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My hope would be that people are not going to report this to the Pennsylvania Department
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of Transportation.
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We'll keep it on the QT that I continue to drive without a valid PA driver's license.
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Um, you know, I don't think that has to be a big deal.
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You know, if you're just like moving the car, or let's say, you know, what if you have to
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go somewhere that's like important?
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Should you need a license for that?
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Like what if it's a fairly short trip, or better still, what if it's a very long trip
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where you're going to be on a highway, and everybody knows highways are safer.
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Oh, very safe.
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I mean, you could fall asleep on the highway, right?
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I mean, that's where, I mean, people who have the Tesla's, they hit a button and you could
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just go to sleep.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, boy.
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I got a catalog the other day. Just yesterday, I think it was. I got a catalog. I don't even know
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what I bought that put me on the list, but it came addressed to me. I got a catalog for a radio
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flyer. Now, you know radio flyer, right? Oh, I got the same thing with the Tesla?
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With the Tesla, yeah. What are we on? How did we get this?
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You know what? Maybe it's this show. I don't know.
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They send it to all the artists.
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Clicky keyboards, fussy coffee, fizzy water, has podcast.
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They call that an array.
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I got a Radio Flyer catalog.
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We've gotten two of them.
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With a little delightful young boy riding in a Tesla,
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like a fake Tesla Radio Flyer wagon.
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Kids love Teslas.
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Well, I thought about taking a picture of it and making a joke.
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And I couldn't make a joke.
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I couldn't figure out the joke because it's like,
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what are you going to joke about, like zero emissions?
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Yeah, self-driving.
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Yeah, it's like zero emissions.
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It's not actually a joke.
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It's like, that's actually kind of cool.
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I couldn't figure out the joke.
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We get a lot of catalogs, John.
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We get a lot of political things.
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We had-- I think it was-- let me check here--
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175 ballot initiatives yesterday.
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And John, the Board of Elections had
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to provide guidance on how to fold your ballot to put
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in the envelope so that you didn't end up spending
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like $11 on postage.
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They had guidance on that.
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I think they had a QuickTime movie you could watch.
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We had two-- we don't call them ballot initiatives here
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in Pennsylvania.
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We call them--
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I forget what we call them, but it's not like California.
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But we had two things to vote on that were sort of,
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the sort of thing that I don't think
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you should be deciding by direct democracy.
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I think that this is exactly why we have a legislature.
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So one of them was, should we raise in Pennsylvania,
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like many states, a surprising number of states,
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if you just Google it,
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So, if you're a state judge, if you're a, you know, when you reach the age of 70, it's
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a mandatory retirement. You're out.
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And that's probably a pretty old law from the time when being 70 was kind of a big deal.
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It seems like it. And on the ballot was an initiative, I don't know what you call it,
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whatever they call it here in PA, to raise the AIDS to 75. And we got...
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That's so weirdly just slightly less arbitrary.
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Right. Like, it's not to get rid of it. Exactly.
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Come on, let's make it 76.
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Oh, okay. That'll fix it. Done.
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That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. It was like,
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"You know, do you want to get rid of this AIDS thing? Yes or no?" I can kind of see that,
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but like 70 to 75, it's like, where do these numbers come from? But we got a thing because
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we're registered, we happen to be registered Democrats. I don't think people are surprised
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to hear me say that. But we got something from our local Democratic ward with a suggested ballot.
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Like, here's how we think you should vote. Here's everything that's up. Here's who you should vote
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four and you know, I mean, it says like, President, you know, you should vote for Hillary Clinton.
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You know, Senator Katie McGinny, that's, you know, our senator who's running against this dipshit
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Pat Toomey. And so on as it goes down the ballot, but then it gets down to these ballot initiatives.
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We only had two. And on the one that said, you know, should we raise the mandatory retirement
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age for judges from 70 to 75, it said, "Vote no." In other words, don't raise the retirement
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age. It said, "Vote no."
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Oh, that confusing language.
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Uh, it's already hard enough to get rid of bad judges. That's what it said.
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I swear to God, Merlin. I'm not making it up.
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Doesn't somebody have to approve these things? Do you just get to, like, paste it up and
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it just goes in, whatever you have to say?
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Well, the next best thing was that the next question was,
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should the city of Philadelphia raise $185 million
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in debt to finance infrastructure improvements?
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And the answer on how should you vote, it was blank.
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It didn't give you an answer.
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It was blank.
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Like you forgot to fill it in?
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I forgot to fill it in.
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Forget about it.
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Highways are for dicks.
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Oh, gosh, we had a lot.
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Should people be allowed to sleep in tents on the sidewalk?
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I would vote no.
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I would vote no.
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It's very controversial.
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They don't have anywhere else to sleep.
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You go down to Division Street, and it's
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like one long KOA under a highway.
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You got the, oh, the grocery tax, bum, bum, bum.
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What I think they should do.
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Here's what I think they should do.
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We're trying to-- just to be clear,
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we're trying to scoop everybody in here.
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We're going to miss a few people.
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But I think it's really important that we
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try to really find some answers.
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I'm giving you an honest answer.
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Here's what I honestly think.
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I think they should drive buses, special buses around the city.
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And you find anybody sleeping on the sidewalk in a tent,
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you just scoop them up in the bus.
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Where do they go after that?
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They just stay on the bus?
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Are they allowed to get off?
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They can get off wherever they want.
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be closer to what we see in the next four years than you think.
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Whenever they wake up, they can get off if they want.
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Oh, it's going to be tremendous.
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They can get off wherever they want.
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So the bus comes along.
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You scoop up the 10 people.
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And I'll tell you what.
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This is an opinion that I would not
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have had if I haven't spent a lot of time
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in downtown San Francisco over the last 10 years.
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But I'll just tell you that there are people sleeping
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on the sidewalks in San Francisco
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who make the city an unpleasant place to be.
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- There are people living on the, it's important.
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These are not people who take a nap.
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This is people who do not have anywhere else to go.
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- Yeah, and I, you know, we're trying to have fun.
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I'm not trying to make light of a desperate situation.
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But people already ride on the public transit.
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You can ride on the public transit.
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You got a fairly comfortable place to be.
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Yeah, but most of the--
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what I'm suggesting, though, would be a bus that has a toilet.
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So you've got-- you've got a stadium restroom on wheels.
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I think John would have shower facilities at all,
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maybe like a small library.
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Could you get a LaCroix?
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I would like all of those things.
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I would vote for all of them.
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You get a Google bus.
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You get a nice Google bus.
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I would vote for all of those things.
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I would vote for the shower facility.
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I would vote for the small library.
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And I would, honestly, I would vote for the tax increase
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that would pay for it, honestly.
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I do feel like that would make for a better city.
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- Well, if you never find a house, you should come out here.
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There's an awful lot of people, and again,
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I'm not trying to rub it in anybody's face,
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I'm not trying to say who, you know.
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I voted for Hillary Clinton, I think a lot of people
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who listen to this probably voted for Hillary Clinton.
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I'm not trying to say she should've won,
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I'm not trying to rub it in anybody's face
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if you voted for the other guy.
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But there's an awful lot of people
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who voted for Donald Trump,
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who I would really like for them to spend a day at like third
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and market in San Francisco.
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Just stand on the corner for 12 hours.
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I mean, that kind of--
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I don't know.
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That gets at a lot of the problem.
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Did you look at that--
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I mean, we don't have to go into this.
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But did you look at that Washington Post demographic
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- Yes, I did.
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Oh, this is gonna be interesting a few years,
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'cause basically, this is a pretty cool,
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I don't know if I can find the link now.
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I sent it to you here.
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- I got it, I got it.
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I'll put it in the show notes.
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- Yeah, they essentially, and I think these are exit polls,
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so take it with a grain of salt,
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but basically they go in and do a full
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demographic breakdown, starting with the basic numbers,
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but then going through gender, race, education, party, age,
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And I think it's a pretty good infographic that really tells a hell of a story that I
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think many of us need to really digest.
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I love the fact that, so basically they've got a line of like, so like you say like for
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example, they say sex, I say gender, because I'm woke.
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So how many, what percentage voted blue?
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And then I think that's reflected.
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So basically the area of the circle
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is based on the size of the demographic group
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and percentage of vote obtained.
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So you actually get kind of three different,
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very interesting data points.
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You get the who did what, you get the how that went,
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and then you get the like,
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what percentage of the total amount do they represent?
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And therein is quite a story.
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- It's a fascinating thing to scroll through
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because it works on a couple of dimensions
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where the circles are the size of the group.
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- So like the total number, like the per capita,
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like how many people are involved, right?
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- Right, it's like you see how far apart the two groups are,
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but the size of these circles lets you know,
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Well, you know what I mean, like,
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sex, men versus women.
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Well, the groups are obviously humongous
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because it's almost everybody is either a man or a woman.
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And the race won, where it's,
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how did white people vote, how did black people vote?
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It shows you how many of the people who actually voted
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are white or black or Hispanic, etc. etc. And so you hear these numbers like you
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hear that, you know, here's the numbers for the... this is from the page you're
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saying and we'll put it in the show notes, but the black vote went 88% to the
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Democrats, 8% to Donald Trump, 2% to Gary Dingus or whatever his name is.
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Yeah, but the size of that circle—
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Right, lets you know—
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—ain't that big.
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Right. You say, like, 88 to 8. Well, holy hell, that's a blowout. And then you see
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the size of the circle—
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But a pie is always round. I mean—
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Exactly. It's a really interesting infographic, in my opinion. It explains the election in
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way that feels true to me. And obviously not in a way that is like true, like, "Oh, this is the
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truth I want to hear," because the election did not turn out the way that I wanted. But—
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Jared: Sometimes when I get real worked up, I take pictures of my TV, and so I just sent you an image
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from last night at the great state of Pennsylvania in which you live, and at the point this was
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taken, I don't know if you got that in your messages.
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Pete: I got it.
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Jared; At the time, this was, look at that breakdown. So, they're breaking down,
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voting for the two parties, presidential candidates by city, suburbs, and rural.
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City, 73-24 Clinton. Suburbs, 48% dead even. Rural, 72% Trump.
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I remember all the way back to 1992, and it was... I mean, how old was I then? Jesus Christ, I was only...
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Jesus Christ, was that the first—I think that was the first election I could vote in.
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Yeah. Oh, wow.
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I was like, you know, freshman in college. But I remember hearing James Carville on TV. And at the
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time, James Carville was like the horse whisperer in Bill Clinton's ear, you know, like, you know,
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he's the guy telling him what to do. And James Carville described Pennsylvania as Philadelphia
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on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in the middle. And as a lifelong Pennsylvanian,
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I was like, "Oh yeah, that's exactly right." And as a college kid who had just moved from that sort
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of Alabama middle to one of the cities on one of the sides of the state, I was like, "Yeah,
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that's exactly right. That is totally right." Scott Simpson always used to say the same thing.
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He comes from a very rural community. He felt absolutely no allegiance to either of those two
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cities. Yeah, I believe Scott is from Lancaster or near Lancaster. I should
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remember. He was in a Christian rock band. Company of praise. They
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abbreviated COP. If not Lancaster, it's close enough. And it is everybody I know from
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Pennsylvania. And it's actually one of those things where it's like, it doesn't
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matter if you're a Democrat or Republican. You hear that and you're like,
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"Oh yeah, yeah, that sounds right."
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Even if you're pro-Trump, if you're somebody
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from Pennsylvania who voted for Trump,
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you're like, "Yeah, that sounds right."
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It's dirty liberals on Pittsburgh and Philadelphia
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and good people in the middle.
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- And it's absolutely striking.
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The picture you just sent me is amazing.
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there was that time last night
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where it was
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trying to do the translation on time
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but it was uh...
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past my daughter's bedtime but it was at the point of like oh
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oh you know what I should not have been looking at
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is that stupid New York Times
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little speedometer thing
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that was the death of me
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it really was for me too
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it was Clinton 82
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for a really long time. Then it's like beep boop boop boop, it's on a little bit, and you get to
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50/50. What? And by the time it was getting up at one point, then it said greater than 95
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for the Republican candidate. And that was around the time when... So I was going back and forth
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between CNN and CBS, because CBS has John Dickerson, who is flatly the best. He was
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so good on that show. I wish... You know what, in hindsight, honestly, it wouldn't change the result,
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which obviously is the only thing that really matters.
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But in hindsight, I wish that I had CBS on.
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I watched MSNBC.
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You know what?
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And that was the worst decision I could have made.
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Because they were-- was there happy talk
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about how it would be OK?
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It was more like--
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I don't know.
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It was something about the attitude
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were taking to the results that really got me. What I really want was just a total pro
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who didn't have, you know, I'll bet. I didn't watch CBS, but you know, I'll bet John Dickerson
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was exactly what he did. It was great. It was a pretty good crew, but when I would flip back
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and forth and sometimes CBS would go to local coverage and I was like, "Please don't tell me
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about legal marijuana. I need to see what's happening with this national race." So I'd hop
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over to CNN. And it seems like, by the way, you guys can have your marijuana now.
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Congratulations. You can have your 420s.
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Right. The people in New Jersey. It was like, we're having the most important, in my
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opinion, the most important presidential election in our lifetimes. And then
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half of the time was spent on, do the people in New Jersey get medical
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marijuana. Well, okay, so one nice thing is I think they're finally getting their
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hands around how to deal with those giant touch screens. It's still kind of
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funny to watch them struggle with. Oh my god, on MSNBC it was horrible. Did they keep hitting the
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wrong thing? No, and the guy kept complaining about it on air. He was like, "God damn this
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machine." I don't think they get time to practice, like, nearly as much as, like, if
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you go see your local perthappley with doing the weather report, like, that
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that is a person who has been dealing with a green screen and understands how
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to gesture their arms. In this case, they're flying all over the place. But it
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was the point in the evening when they got to where it was like, "Okay, well, this is
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how it's looking." And this is right before it went to Florida, like, pretty
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conclusively. But he's going in and it was, it was, I don't, I almost felt like it was
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all he could do to not say, "Oh, there's still a chance." But he kept like zooming
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way in on Broward and saying, "Well, we know this could still be Broward," and zooming
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further and then saying, and then you compare that to 2012.
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And then you go back to, he kept going to these two counties
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in Michigan.
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And kept saying, now Detroit, the story could still be
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Detroit, there could be like 150,000 people in Detroit
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that show up in a minute and we're all going,
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yeah, yeah, that could be it.
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Hey Detroit, Detroit seems cool.
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- You know what, that was a little bit of the MSNBC
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experience too.
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It was almost, yeah, that's sort of a mirror.
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- Because I mean, like across the board, and I'm sure
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we're eventually gonna get to our friend from
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by Southwest.
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There was a little bit of this sort of, you know, we're watching it and we came into it
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We really did, you know, I mean, and I don't think we were unrealistic.
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Everybody sort of expected a Hillary Clinton win.
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We went into it.
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Well, they at least expected something within a normal range, but it was like you went into
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your kitchen to make cupcakes and it kept producing monitor lizards. You kept going,
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"I don't even understand what's happening in here." And I think they're struggling
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with it because they can't just say, "What the fuck is going on here? What the fuck?"
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You can't say that on the TV. So they've got to go like, "Well, Detroit could really
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– there could be a heck of a lot of underperforming with get-out-the-vote news alert."
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That is so true where I honestly think that that again
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I am laughing because I am a
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white male with a
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job, so you know I
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I can afford to laugh but
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You know, I'm crying on the inside because I really do think that
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I'm not making light of this election. I know I don't think that's right. I don't think it's coming across
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- All right, I hope so.
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I just wanna double emphasize it as many times as I can.
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But I really do think watching it live last night,
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there was this sort of like,
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we can't say what the fuck.
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So therefore, because we can't say what the fuck,
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we're gonna say stuff that doesn't make any sense,
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where they're gonna say--
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- We have to utilize these other words
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that are in the parlance for our business
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but don't get even near how what the fucky this is.
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- And so they were saying things like,
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"Hey, Hillary Clinton is down by 300,000 votes in Florida,
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but she might make up 80,000 votes in Broward County."
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And you're like, "Wait, you just said she's down by 300,000
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and she maybe, if everything goes right in Broward County,
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might make up 80,000."
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you realize that's not even close to making up the difference.
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No, it's his magical thinking. Everybody goes, well, you know,
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Wisconsin still isn't all the way in and I don't even bother to go to Wisconsin
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because that's so in the bag. It's not even going to be a problem.
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Right. And I would turn to Amy and I would say, am I mishearing this?
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This doesn't make any sense. And by the time I turned to her, I,
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I would look and then all of a sudden they're talking about Wisconsin.
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put that manic guy with the glasses back on and have him
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explain to me how making up 80,000 votes in this, you know,
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doesn't that, and they were, on MSNBC,
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they were going through these contortions about,
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you know, what they can call and when they can call it
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and it was whatever, and I was like saying to Amy,
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I was like, wait a minute, if you're saying
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she is down by 300,000 and the most she can make up is 80,
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What in the world is the difference where you can say we can call this and I'm like just call it
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Just fucking call the goddamn thing
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You know what? I mean? And and here we are 24 hours later. We've got these results
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We see the results, you know, and she didn't win for it. Why couldn't they call it when she was
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Definitively like best-case scenario down by two hundred and twenty thousand votes. I I don't understand that
00:47:38
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There's this other phenomenon in like when you're a little kid, I have to tell you
00:47:42
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I just remember we might have talked about this before talking about TV
00:47:44
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But I always hated election nights as a kid
00:47:47
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It was so boring all the shows got preempted and then our parents would sit there and watch this
00:47:52
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Incredibly boring thing and you'd hear about like who your new alderman is. Yay. Like where's happy days fucking bring it
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And so, you know, I knew this excruciating for my daughter
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But I was like, you know
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I think we've kind of we told you this is a pretty big deal and we're I won't get too personal
00:48:06
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personal, but like we had a lot of personal stake. All three of us had a lot of personal
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stake in this. Yes, even my nine-year-old daughter, maybe especially my nine-year-old
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daughter, had a lot of stake in this. And so that made it really difficult. But there's
00:48:21
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-- you learn as you get a little bit older, like when you first see the map when you're
00:48:24
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a little kid, you go, "What? Like, oh, Texas. Well, Texas is a big state and it's a big
00:48:29
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deal because there are a lot of electoral votes." But you know, all those little states
00:48:31
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you see running down the side because they're too small to identify, some of those end up
00:48:35
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being really important. In other words, the amount of red or blue on the map, you learn
00:48:41
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to look at the numbers rather than the pretty colors, because that's the story, right?
00:48:45
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You know what I'm saying? A smart person understands that you can, for example, as recently as
00:48:51
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2016, you can win the most votes and still not win the election because that's not how
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the electoral college works. And Mike Kent understood that. My wife and I understand
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that. So you start seeing more and more of the red pop up, and then they go to somewhere
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like Michigan.
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And all of a sudden, I felt like I was seven years old again.
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I was like, there is so much red on there.
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And they keep zooming in on these two or three little blue areas.
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But it was very profound to me to then have to undo that idea,
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because the colors were not lining up, the shapes were not lining up,
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and the numbers were not lining up.
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I mean, that's why I want to locate this a little bit in last night,
00:49:32
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because over the period of about 90 minutes, the world started to feel a little bit different,
00:49:38
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and at least a little bit different, and then it started to feel different,
00:49:42
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faster and faster, and my breath was taken away at several points.
00:49:48
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I mean, we're three hours time shifted from you, but we were watching the same thing at the same
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time and that is exactly how I felt. Exactly. Exactly. I couldn't put it any better.
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Especially and again, like you were saying with these county by county results in Michigan,
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I was just like, what the, you know, how can this be? How can Hillary Clinton possibly
00:50:23
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win looking at this?
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- Right. - Right.
00:50:26
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- But also some 2015 part of your brain is spinning.
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'Cause the 2015 part of your brain goes,
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"Well, even if there's three people in that county,
00:50:36
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"how did three people in that county
00:50:37
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"choose to vote for the Republican candidate?"
00:50:39
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- Right. - In my 2015 line,
00:50:41
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which I still have, that's still a big part of my brain,
00:50:43
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is, and that's, and again, now I have a different mind today
00:50:47
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but that was part of the cognitive dissonance for me
00:50:50
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was even like looking at straight numbers
00:50:52
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having my iPad Pro sideways with multiple tabs open plus the side screen and like an
00:50:57
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idiot, like a monster, I'm looking at all this data and then drilling down. And New
00:51:01
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York Times actually had pretty good coverage on this, where you could go in and like drill
00:51:03
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down into specific areas and see for yourself what was going on. And you could just look
00:51:08
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at the numbers. And the other thing we told our kid, and I think this is a good thing,
00:51:11
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is like understand this is a multivariate thing. Like there's a certain number of electoral
00:51:15
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votes in that state. The state is comprised of counties. Each of those counties are reporting
00:51:19
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in different ways and at different times. And shame on CNN for the amount of like 1%
00:51:23
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reporting special news alerts that they had. It was so gross. But you can go in and this
00:51:28
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is a thing that happened though, and I guess this happens to everybody when their side
00:51:32
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is not winning, is that you start seeing that number go up and you see 60% reporting. You
00:51:37
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see 70% reporting. You start wondering how many more votes really could be there in a
00:51:42
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box somewhere in Portland that would pull this out. And then like you're describing,
00:51:46
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describing, I think you're very very aptly describing that feeling of "oh my
00:51:51
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god, just say it," because I see it. I see it. I don't believe it. I see it.
00:51:57
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Why aren't you just saying it because, oh my god, another one just turned red. Why
00:52:00
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is someone not saying what's really happening here? And I really, in my heart,
00:52:04
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believe that at least some—I know they're trying to be journalistically
00:52:08
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canny and trying to be fair and trying to to not freak out, but I honestly, I
00:52:14
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I bet you we're going to hear a lot about a lot of things.
00:52:17
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And I bet one of the things we're going to hear is how many people just can't believe
00:52:23
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what happened on numerous levels.
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The failures or shortcomings of everything from our own perception to how we learn about
00:52:33
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what people think to how we choose to believe anybody else could see the world.
00:52:37
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I feel like I've just come out of a cult or something.
00:52:42
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I don't know what I even think anymore.
00:52:44
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I mean, I know what I think, I know how I feel. I'm here to talk to you about how I feel.
00:52:47
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But like, I don't know what to trust about my brain anymore.
00:52:51
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It was very frustrating, I thought, last night. Because I really wanted—what I want is somebody
00:52:57
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who is like—somebody who knows as much shit about the goddamn new MacBook Pros as I do.
00:53:04
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I want them—somebody who knows that much about the elections to tell me what the hell is going on.
00:53:10
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and I felt like I wasn't getting it.
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You know what I mean?
00:53:13
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I felt like I was getting people
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who were as loosely informed as I was,
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going like, "I don't know, this seems kinda crazy.
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"This is unexpected."
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and I'm thinking like, "Why won't somebody just tell me
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"Florida is already lost?"
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Like, it was, at the point,
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it was at least two hours after the point
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where me as a non-expert was looking at Florida's numbers
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is in the Trump column.
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That's crazy.
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So the two-- you can actually see this in my safari--
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the two things that it says, do you want to visit this site
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on your iPad?
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The two of those have been 538 and the Upshot.
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The Upshot has done a really, really good job
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graphically displaying whatever information they had. And you know, don't, don't yell at them.
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They're just reporting the polls. But one of my, one of my favorite things to look at,
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because it's very interesting, is the how other forecasts compare area, which I can,
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I'm sure you've seen. So this has not been updated since yesterday. But as of yesterday,
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New York Times, 85% Democrat. Five thirty-eight, the very conservative five thirty-eight,
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you know, really in context, they were very conservative compared to the others. They got
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lot of heat 71% yeah huff put huffington post 98% democratic um pw i'm not sure what that is 89%
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pec greater than 99% yeah oh that's the princeton uh okay election something okay pw is predict wise
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so 538 was the uh most uh pessimistic with uh 71% the princeton election committee or whatever the
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hell they're called. I love the guy and I'm not doubting the statistical math behind the projection,
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but that was how I slept the last few nights. Oh my god. Also, they use WordPress.
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You have anything else you want to tell me about today? Anything you like?
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Should we talk about these buttons on the keyboards? Sure, sure. I just didn't know
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I mean, I've done it with--
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John, that's table stakes nowadays.
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They sent me one, I did, I sent it up.
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It is super easy to set up.
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I mean, my kid actually is, just between me and you,
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I would think that he would, but so,
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We're not really, you know, it's like, we set it up,
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They sent me the thing, I set it up,
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and it was like, do we really need this?
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I don't know, because it seems to me like our kid
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it appears that meetcircle.com with an A is available.
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You know what?
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I'm just gonna go there.
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As a man from San Francisco, I'm here to tell you,
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if there was a website called Meat Circle with an A
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about circles of meat, I got a pretty, pretty good feeling
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that meat circle with two Es would not let you see it.
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- I could have sworn that was the name of the restaurant
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where we went the last time I was out there.
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- Meat Circle.
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- You know what, that would, I mean, that's actually,
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we're making a joke, but it actually is not a bad name for,
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not a bad name.
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Think about those touristy sushi places you go where it arrives on a boat and they just
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count your plates.
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What if there was a rotating, let's call it a carousel, a carne carousel.
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You've got a spinning meat Lazy Susan.
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And you could just try all different things.
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It would be kind of like going to a Brazilian steakhouse for that kind of technology.
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I think people would love that meat circle.
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You could gobble that up.
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At the Brazilian Steakhouse, the ones I've been to, we've got two here in Philly.
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We've got a Fogo de Shao and we've got, I forget what the other one's called.
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The other one's better.
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A bringing endorsement from John Cooper.
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A bringing endorsement.
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Yeah, we've got one here.
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It's costly.
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But it's a lot of fun.
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If you go at lunch, you don't get as many varieties of meat.
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At lunch, you get screwed.
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Lunch, they got chicken hearts. They got chicken hearts at lunch.
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They desperately want you to come in at lunch and...
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Would you like more chicken heart?
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Corazon de pollo? Yes, I know that's Spanish.
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But still...
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We're like, we're good, we're good.
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How about some more of that tri-tip? Yeah, yeah, maybe you try the chicken heart.
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It's on a sword.
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I think you'll find it quite toothsome.
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And the tiny little sausages?
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I love the little sausages.
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I like the salty. My favorite, I think, is the straight up salty sirloin.
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All right. The other one here in Philadelphia is called chima.
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That's the good one. Fogo de chao is a little... I don't know. A little...
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You save five bucks on the... There's always an all-you-can-eat type deal.
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Oh, you don't want to be buying meat on price.
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Yeah, chima is the good one. But for anybody who hasn't been to one of
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these places. The both of them at least here and I've been to Fogo de Chao and you know it's gonna
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be funny because it might come up again later in the show in Austin, Texas I've been to Fogo de Chao.
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You meet a lot of interesting people in Austin. You meet a lot of interesting people. You okay, man?
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But it's the same feel though where you get you go into this place and and there's these you know
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the cowboys walking around who grill the steak.
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And you have like a little--
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they give everybody a little thing, like red light,
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green light.
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Yeah, more steak, less steak, red and green.
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Red steak, green steak.
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If you put it up green side up, if the guy's
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coming around with whatever cut of steak he's made,
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he'll say, hey, do you want some?
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And you say--
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See, they usually ask you, but if you have it on green,
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They are not legally obligated to ask.
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Right, they might just give it to you.
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That's the law.
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That's the law of Rio, it's called, from the Magna Carta.
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They can come right up and put whatever meat suits them
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on your plate, and you have to eat it.
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And they don't have to ask that.
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You don't have to say thank you.
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They're just going to literally keep bringing meat
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until you can get your swollen, greasy fingers to change it
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That is true.
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That is the law of the Brazilian steakhouse.
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But if you put red on--
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Even the other law is don't fill up on salad.
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That's the second law. Second law of the Brazilian steakhouse.
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Because 2A, that's how they get you. That's how they get you.
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They want you to fill up on potato salad and shit.
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Don't do that, because they're going to bring you a bunch of chicken hearts.
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And they always have... it's always a... everyone.
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It doesn't matter what the name of the steakhouse is.
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If it's a Brazilian steakhouse, it's always a salad bar where you can go up
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and go hog wild on the salad.
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They might have... ours has a hot bar too. Ours is called "Espedis" and boy is it ever good.
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Is that what's just called "Buca de Bebe"? "Bepedibuca"? What's yours called?
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Well, we got two. We got "Fugo de Chao" and we got "Chima".
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"Chima". At "Espedis" they got a really nice salad bar of some unconventional salad,
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some non-traditional salads, and they got a hot bar. So if you want black beans and
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white rice, not a problem. You can go up there and get yourself kind of some "Faky Paella".
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It's really good by the bathroom. Just wash your hands, come out, get a plate.
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But that's that's rule number two. Rule number two of Steakhouse Club is you don't don't fill up and help bread
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They're gonna give you the cheesy bread. Fuck that. Rule number three of Brazilian steakhouse. Do not fill up on the fucking
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I'm talking to you daughter. Big glass of milk. That's for meat.
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Don't fill up on that. And the cheesy bread is good. That's it is good. But that's how they get you. That's 3A.
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It's so true.
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It's really disappointing.
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There's a reason why at a regular steakhouse, where I mean regular,
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meaning you don't get unlimited red light, green light meat,
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that they don't also have a just eat as much as you want at the salad bar,
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you said that's how they get you and that is for I think for me and you that's how they get you is
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sort of a catchphrase of like our parents generation would tell us like that's they would explain the
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way the system works that's the single greatest piece of conventional wisdom for everybody uh
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older than me right you're going to you're going to 7-eleven that's how they get it
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oh you're gonna go to 7-eleven you're gonna get one of those big gulps oh how much is that it's
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You know what that costs? A nickel. That's how they get you.
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No, and they would--
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Is that right? Is that right?
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Japanese car? Japanese car? That's how they get you.
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I remember somebody telling me that when you went to 7-Eleven,
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that you had to be careful how much ice you put in the cup,
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because that's how they get you.
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Right. That no matter what size cup you got, they'd fill it up with ice,
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and you'd get the same amount of soda even if you got the 64-ounce--
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which is bullshit.
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Like a 64-ounce soda is an enormous amount of soda.
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But there were people who told me in my youth that that's how they get you.
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It's like the secret menu for cheapskates. It's like the things that you can get away with.
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"Hey, you know, listen, so you know when you go to this place,
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you can ask for extra rolls to take home and they have to give it to you."
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We used to run a restaurant when I was a kid, and it would be the same people who were very unhappy
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every weekend would come in. And they came there to be unhappy together. And they would come in,
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and the same people would complain about the same things every time. There was one couple that always
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came in, always got the same really crappy deuce right by the bar, and then they would complain
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about the noise in the bar, and then they would steal literally everything off the table. Every
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week, they would take all the silverware, they would take all the salt and pepper shakers,
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they would take the sweet and low, they would take the sugar, they would take the flour arrangement,
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and then we'd have them back the next week. And that was just the thing we did. Florida.
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We had like, uh, it was like a—
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I'm having a hard day, Jon.
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I got to be honest with you.
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I'm having a hard day.
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You know what?
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I don't know who else would do this with me, Merlin.
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Well, we are not going to scoop up every single person.
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You know, I think it's good that we're here.
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It's good we're here to talk about this.
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So Amy and I, you know this.
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You know this.
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Maybe people who listen to the show don't know this.
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My wife, Amy and I-- people maybe know her on Twitter.
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She's @AmyJane.
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we literally were in the same kindergarten class together. We were in school together from
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kindergarten all the way through 12th grade, then we were separated for the college years,
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somehow made it work. And here we are, now we're married and we're on Twitter. We're married on
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But we've often said though, it is an amazing thing
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that we spent our teenage years together.
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'Cause we can tell stories about our teenage years
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and instead of like, oh my God, just blacking out,
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rolling your eyes because your significant other,
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your partner is talking about being 14 years old,
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you're like, oh my God, I remember that.
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And you're like, I was there.
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And yes, that is true.
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where we grew up, everybody was a member.
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It was a public pool.
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It was public, but you had to pay,
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your family had to pay like 100 bucks a year
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to get in or something like that.
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So it wasn't like you could just show up.
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But everybody was a member.
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You'd get a special badge.
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Every year they'd put out a new color badge
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and you'd sew it on your swimsuit.
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So when you showed up at the pool,
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they could see that you were a paid member.
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And as a teenager, every day, every single day in the summer
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what I would do is I would wake up,
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I would go play basketball,
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'cause I was an avid basketball player.
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I would play basketball from like, I don't know,
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11 a.m. till one in the afternoon.
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And then it would just, when it got just too goddamn hot
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to keep playing basketball,
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we would head over to the pool.
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And that's where we would go.
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And at the pool, there was a snack bar.
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And the snack bar sold Reese's Peanut
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Bear Cups, Swedish Fish.
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I think your entire selection of food offerings
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were Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, Swedish Fish, which
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were a penny apiece.
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And they'd count them out.
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It would take forever.
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One, two, three.
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Three Swedish fish.
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Get back to the pool with you.
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And we're going to have fun before you go back in.
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And they had a soda fountain.
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And here's-- long story short, at some point in my teenage years,
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somebody convinced me that they were screwing me over
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by filling my cup up with ice.
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Because that's how they get you.
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Yeah, that's how they get you.
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So I would go over and get my--
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I would say, like, give me a Dr. Pepper, no ice.
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I'll never see that coming.
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I have two points to make on this.
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Number one, warm Dr. Pepper tastes like shit.
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It is horrible.
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It really is.
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You really-- the pruniness really comes out.
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You don't realize how pruney Dr. Pepper is until you
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have it at room temperature.
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And number two.
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It tastes like some kind of a 19th century elixir.
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This is the point.
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But you're going to love this, Merlin.
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You're going to love it.
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About two or three weeks after I started ordering my sodas, no ice,
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and my friends were doing the same.
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It wasn't just me.
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It was a bunch of us.
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They changed their policy.
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And if you ordered your soda no ice, they only
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filled it to one inch below the cup.
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- So if you said--
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- It's 'cause of portion control.
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So they, and we would say,
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like, give me a large stock to pepper, no ice.
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And they'd only fill it an inch below the rim.
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And then you'd be like, well, wait, that's not fill.
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And they'd be like, well, that's where the ice would go.
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- It's like one of those bars,
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bars with the robot dispensers, you know,
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that only like, you know what I mean?
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But like, there's some bars now where when you get a drink,
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It's like the robot does it.
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It tells you this is exactly whatever,
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an ounce or half an ounce or whatever.
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Oh, it's sickening.
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See, and they got you again.
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That's how they got you a second time.
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Well, you know what?
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The thing is, in hindsight, one reaffirms the other,
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where on the one hand, it tasted terrible
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because it wasn't cold.
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But on the other hand, the fact that they started screwing you
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on how much soda, it reaffirmed the initial reason
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why you did it, which was, this is how they get you.
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Because if it wasn't how they got you,
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why would they be screwing you on how much soda
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they put in the cup, right?
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The system always wins.
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The system always wins.
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And you know what?
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This is honestly how we wound up with President Trump.
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I mean, honestly, I think you draw--
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if you connect the dots--
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You blame the system.
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If you connect the dots, I would say that like 1987 at the Antietam pool, a no ice Dr. Pepper,
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only being filled one inch below the rim, dot, dot, dot, here you go, 2016, President Trump.
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Do you agree?
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So when they finally, oh, well, it makes perfect sense.
01:14:32
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I think it's a clear line. I mean, I don't even think it's...
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when you put it that way, I see it. I mean, and this is like, I'm thinking of like any kind of,
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you know, document—not a documentary, but a docudrama, like you do something like,
01:14:41
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"And the Band Played On." And the Band Played On is about the AIDS epidemic, but it begins with
01:14:45
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Matthew Modine dealing with the Ebola. And that sets us up for all the flashbacks. He says, you
01:14:51
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know, Paul McCartney walks by, he says, "Bass in the window, oh, one day I'll be playing that at
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the Cavern Club." You know, as you know, Bob, this is what I end up doing. Right? And so, in this
01:14:59
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case, a young John Gruber, hot from basketball, 11 to 1 every day, he wants to take a dip,
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buy 3 cents worth of Swedish Fish, and have himself a refreshing cup of Dr. Pepper.
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And now today everybody's at school crying.
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Right. And I—
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Really, yeah, you put it that way, and I do, I see it now.
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It's, it's, I think it's a direct line.
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How did everybody get so...this is gonna be...
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God, so you know I was telling you I was listening to all these podcasts.
01:15:34
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Usually, I'm getting six podcasts a day in the run up to this.
01:15:39
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And boy, it was like radio silence this morning.
01:15:40
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There was one NPR politics episode I think they recorded last night.
01:15:45
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There was a pretty short...what was the other one?
01:15:49
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1600 finally came out.
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But so far today, no Culture Gab Fest.
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Maybe John's busy.
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No Trump cast, still haven't heard election profit makers.
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It's been like a real quiet--
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- Kriga's serpent.
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- I mean, I don't know how many of those things
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you listen to, but I mean, I'm sitting there,
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flip it, flip it, flip it, like, come on, overcast.
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Let me experience my emotions,
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as my hippie girlfriend used to say.
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I wanna experience my emotions, I wanna walk through this.
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- Okay, again, I'm being more jovial than usual,
01:16:21
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and quite frankly--
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- What's the holiday season?
01:16:25
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- Well, yeah, right.
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Quite frankly, I might be,
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without taking another sip of any beverage,
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I might be drunk for the next 72 hours
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based on how much I drank last night.
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So, you know.
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- You gave yourself a contact high.
01:16:39
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- Well, it's, you know.
01:16:41
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- Yeah, no, I mean.
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- It's table stakes.
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Let's just face it.
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- It's a complicated time, for sure.
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- I think it might be enjoyable,
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but here is what I thought.
01:16:52
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I really did, and I'm gonna be deadly serious here.
01:16:55
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And again, apolitical, it doesn't matter
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which side you're on.
01:16:59
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But there was a moment yesterday,
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let's say 24 hours ago, and as we record,
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no results were in, so it wasn't even like,
01:17:09
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oh, it looks bad for her, it looks good for him,
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or whatever.
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24 hours ago, I thought, you know what?
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I should've done a show by now.
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I should have had a new episode.
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I don't have a regular schedule.
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I don't record on a regular schedule.
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And the reason I didn't record a show is I thought,
01:17:30
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I can't, I'm so distracted by this election,
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I don't wanna do a show because it's all I can think about.
01:17:36
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And I realized, in hindsight, I should have done a show,
01:17:40
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not for myself, but because, hey,
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I'll bet tens of thousands of people who listen to my show
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would love to just distract themselves
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with me talking about the goddamn key travel
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on a new MacBook Pro.
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- Absolutely.
01:17:54
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- Right, like two hours of me talking about
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what it's like to type on the new MacBook Pro.
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In my mind was like, well, what a waste of fucking time.
01:18:05
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But in hindsight, I thought like,
01:18:07
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oh, that actually would have been great
01:18:10
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for the people who love the stuff that I do.
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And I should have done it.
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And then I woke up today and I thought,
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well, now I've got to get Merlin.
01:18:18
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- Yeah, it's, no, I mean, basically,
01:18:22
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it's been a really weird morning,
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and my only thought was, like I said in the text to you,
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my only plan for this entire day was to try to stay sane
01:18:31
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and clean the shit out of the car.
01:18:33
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My whole plan for today was to,
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like, my wife biked to work today,
01:18:37
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and I was like, so, how about I clean the car today?
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She's like, yeah, that's fine.
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So I go out there, I got the vinegar,
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I got the baking soda, I got the mini vac,
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I got the big vac, I'm taking it all out,
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taking the whole thing apart,
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and I'm scrubbing it like a crazy person
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'cause I need to control a small area today.
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- I did that yesterday.
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Merlin, I swear to God, you can,
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I mean, seriously, go DM her right now.
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You can DM Amy yesterday.
01:19:00
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- Is she at the holiday party too?
01:19:01
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- Oh, no, she's actually, she probably will be soon,
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but she's not at the holiday party yet.
01:19:08
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- You know, the reason you didn't get an invitation
01:19:10
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is 'cause you asked for an invite.
01:19:12
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If you ask for an invite, you don't get an invitation.
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that I, I, you know my feelings on invites. That's rule number five of Brazilian steakhouse.
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You never get an invite. There is no invite. It's not a word. Stop saying that.
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Yesterday, I swear to God, you could, you could, I swear to God, DM her and find out.
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Okay. You clean the car.
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No, I, what I did is I vacuumed in their dining room.
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And our kid, our kid, he loves to eat, he loves corn chips, he eats a lot of tacos,
01:19:50
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he, you know, but he has, he just likes corn chips. And there's, there was just a ton of
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ground up corn chips underneath our dining room table. And I thought, "Oh, what better,
01:20:04
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why not now?" Let's get them. Somebody's got to get these corn chips. Somebody's got to get them.
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And my wife came down.
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And it is-- I mean, shocker.
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99 times out of 100, when somebody vacuums up
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the corn chips, it's my wife, not me.
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And my wife is like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:20:28
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Oh, I cleaned the shit out of our dishes last night.
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I cleaned dishes I didn't need to clean.
01:20:32
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I cleaned the cast iron pan twice,
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and then this is a life hack.
01:20:36
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You can use kosher salt, and you can rub it around in there
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without harming it.
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You don't want to put soap in there.
01:20:42
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So I did that a couple times with the kosher salt.
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And they still kept turning red.
01:20:49
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Stopped at one point to watch a Parks and Recreation,
01:20:52
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because my daughter was on the verge.
01:20:54
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And so we watched a very good, relevant episode of Parks
01:20:56
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and Rec where she narrowly wins the election,
01:21:01
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because it's an educational program for a nine-year-old.
01:21:06
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We've got to talk a little bit about--
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Don't you think a little bit about what we got wrong?
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Don't you think?
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I mean, is that too much?
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Is that too deep?
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We could talk about the keyboard.
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You know, I'm not using my DOS because I'm on the podcast,
01:21:19
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but I could type on my DOS if that would help.
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No, I think we should.
01:21:22
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I think we should talk about what we got wrong.
01:21:22
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That's some amazing key travel.
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Listen to this.
01:21:24
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Listen to this.
01:21:27
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Oh, that sounds good.
01:21:28
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You want to talk about key travel?
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That sounds good.
01:21:32
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Sixth rule of Brazilian steakhouse.
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Wow, that... I mean, honestly, that is...
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I don't know what kind of cherry that is. That could be cherry blue, cherry brown.
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I don't know. I'd have to have Jason listen to it. You know Jason types very fast.
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For two or three seconds there, I completely forgot about this election.
01:21:51
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Oh, isn't that nice? We can talk about it.
01:21:53
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I have seen... You know, I...
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It seems so relevant.
01:21:57
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I have photographed...
01:21:58
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That's all very interesting, but will I be dissatisfied with the butterfly switches on my computer?
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I have photographed myself.
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It's like taking us, you know, as the kids call them a selfie with Jason.
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I watched a video of you using an escape key. Yeah. Does it here? No. Okay. You know what?
01:22:21
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I had to delete that tweet. Oh yeah. Oh because it's a loner? Yeah well and
01:22:28
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it turns out the embargo is not up. Oh man the embargo still counts even today.
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I'm so ludicrous that anybody is doing anything today doesn't it seem crazy anybody is that's exactly what I thought yesterday
01:22:42
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What I it turns so long story short I I tweeted a video of me using an escape key on
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a MacBook Pro and
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The embargo is not up on those MacBook pros
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but on the ones that have like the physical keys it is up and I I just
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It was yesterday and I was so I was just like wouldn't it be you know
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I mean like this is what I was thinking. I was like, yeah, why not obsess over the escape key?
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Absolutely, I would love to spend the next four years
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thinking about escape keys
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It just seems like wake me up four years from now when when the next election is over and I'll spend the entire
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between now and then just dealing with escapees.
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Even our friend Marco even said, "Hey, you know, I would get into sports if I could get that back."
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I've gotten two emails today. One email was a 2FA to get into my
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Apple on the web when you sent me the notes for this, and the other one was somebody
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who just sent me an email today. I was like, "What the fuck? You sent me an email today?"
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Who sends a fucking email the day after the election?
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I mean, it's the way we used to feel about Christmas. It would be like
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some is like a be like having like a vacuum salesman at your house on
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Christmas morning you'd be like why what are you doing don't you live in civil
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society you don't send somebody an email on a day like today it's just what are
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you thinking how did that even cross your mind to do that I'm just
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I'm sending texts to my friends and saying are you okay that's what I've
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been doing all morning is texting my friends to say are you okay the Sun never even came
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out here. We actually have had we've had about 36 hours of complete
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darkness. That I mean that might even making that up it's actually been a very
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dreary day. Yeah you did go red. Yeah and yeah the amazing thing and I thought
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well this is a good sign is yesterday election day it was beautiful it was 62
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and sunny. What a good sign. What a great sign. Not a cloud in the skies.
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Everything's coming up, Milhouse.
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This is going to be... I'm going to walk away with it. This is...
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To return to that, because I just need to vent a little more, is like, even at last night,
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even when it got bad, and even when the needle moved past the 50%,
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that 2015 part of my brain said, "Calm the fuck down."
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There's no way. I mean, how late was it before you started to flip
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to flip and then how long did it take for you to really say, "Oh, shit."
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That's a good point. That's a very good question.
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There are plenty of chances and you expected to go back and forth. This is how it works.
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Electoral, "Nah."
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You know what? I started to feel really bad in my stomach when it took so long to call
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So, Florida, you're okay with Florida because you're in this big state, lots of places.
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Yeah, and Florida's kind of…
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- Two time zones, like there's a lot going on in Florida.
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- And I'm enough of a political nerd where I kind of,
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I do feel like this election flipped a lot
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of the conventional wisdom,
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but the conventional wisdom is still basically true.
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Virginia being so long was like a really bad sign.
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So she, Hillary Clinton ended up winning Virginia,
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but the fact that it took so long to call it
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was really where it is.
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So I would say at least on the East Coast time,
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it was around, I don't know, around 10 o'clock,
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so probably seven o'clock your time,
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where I just thought the fact that they're not willing
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to call Virginia is a really bad sign.
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Yeah, I think I started to really get to fear a little before that.
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Last night-- you know how you do the benefits, like where if you go and buy
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this restaurant, the school gets money?
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We try to do that.
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So girls went out to go get some poke at the poke place, Poke Bowl.
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And they were gone for a while.
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And they came back in, and I was like, this is not good.
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It was a situation where--
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I follow this enough to know, OK, here's the battleground states.
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I don't need an infographic to understand the importance of that.
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Being somebody who's followed this more closely than I would ever admit in public until today,
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I knew that there's a handful of places that are going to make a difference.
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Anyway, I explained this with my kid.
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I mean, yeah, California's got a lot of electoral votes, but what is it they say about companies
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that's, you know, they picked into the price or built into the price?
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We go into this knowing that there's a really good chance, I mean, there's a way beyond
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good chance that California is going to go this way.
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There's a very good chance that, say, Utah is going to go this way, et cetera, et cetera,
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So you really focus on, it's like, we're not going to worry about the ponds.
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We're going to worry about the row that's right in front of us here.
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These are the big things.
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And it really, I kept going, okay, you know, ha ha, here we go.
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I'm not going to have a drink.
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This is going to be fine.
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And I just kept thinking, okay, it's time for a few of these to go from white to blue.
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And I kept thinking, it really, really feels like it's really time for some of these to
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go from white to blue to like, "Well, this seems quite irregular. Why are more of these
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not flipping to blue?" And that's where I got to the headspace you're in, where you're
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like, "What is taking so long? We thought that was going to be one of the firewall states.
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Like what happened with that?" And I bet that along with a lot of other people watching
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this, that's probably around the time we had the WTF, maybe a loud moment of going like,
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You know, what if this is something, I don't want to say fundamentally different, because
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it isn't like it started as an election and turned into a tennis game.
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It was an election that ended as an election.
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But at the same time, there are so many things that we thought to some level of certainty
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we understood about this.
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And I have to just, I mean, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but this is just where
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my emotions and my mind are today, is I'm still stunned.
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I'm just, I'm still stunned with how much I did not understand about what was happening.
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And then you go and you look at the polls, and you go and you look at the reporting on
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all of this.
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And I think it's probably about five times worse for a journalist today.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, listen to these folks just sitting, listening to the NPR podcast this morning,
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and they were just like, "Yeah, this is real different than anything we had imagined could
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And so what, do we rule out?
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I mean, just to get this out of the way, because there's certainly some part of your brain
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that goes, "Huh, it's weird.
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Like if I were going to make a program that affected the elections, if I were going to
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do some kind of an exploit, I would make it look close for a while and then win by a little
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Like you're a gambler, right?
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But are we ruling that out?
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Do we feel like that's probably not...
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I just want to get it out of the way so we can move on.
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But yeah, I don't think so.
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Do you think there was meddling?
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I kind of do.
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No, I don't.
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I don't think so.
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I think it's a totally legit election.
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And that's the problem.
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There was a period between, I would say between like 8 and 10 Eastern time last night.
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We had MSNBC on before 8, but 8 is really when we, you know, we, that's just when real
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results are...
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That's when polls start closing and you start being able to say something.
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So from 8 to 10, I was kind of rolling my eyes and I kind of felt like MSNBC was sandbagging
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it like to make it look close there was like they're sandbagging is a great word for it
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like they're milking this this is their last chance they need to make this seem like a
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horse race up to the end and then there was i kept saying every everyone kept saying how
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close it was that was the watchword of the night this is so much closer than anybody
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thought and and there was there was an interchange between uh rachel maddow and uh uh what's
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guy's name. He's the guy who got fired from the big seat at NBC.
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Oh, Tom Brokaw? No, but he got demoted. Not fired, but demoted.
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Oh, Brian Williams. Brian Williams, that's it. There was an exchange between Brian Williams and
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Rachel Maddow where they kind of went meta and they were like, "We're not fucking with you."
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honest to God, this is as up in the air as we're making it seem. And it was right around that
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10 o'clock at night moment where I thought, like, the fact that they're not willing to call Virginia
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yet is like, this is something that's going on. And that's where I thought, hey, this isn't just
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the TV. They're not just playing this for ratings. Right, right. Yeah, I felt something similar. And
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And CBS did a really good job.
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I mean, I didn't love every single one of the folks on.
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I think they could have done with fewer than six people
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and just let Dickerson talk more.
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But it was a very good group.
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But I felt a similar thing
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in a lot of what I was looking at.
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And that's when we were talking earlier
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about the screaming WTF.
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I don't know why I'm suddenly so precious about language.
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But there did get to be this feeling
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that you're describing of almost like,
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like we need to break the fourth wall for a minute here.
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Like, we all understand that there's a performance aspect to this.
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I mean, a polling site is going to get less traffic if it's a solid 85-14 for a year.
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If it's a pretty solid 85-14 for a year, that's not going to get as much traffic as something
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where those numbers are changing around.
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So we get cynical about that.
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We understand clickbait and all that kind of stuff.
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But no, I agree with you.
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I think there was a certain point.
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Maybe I was just inferring this with my own increasingly frazzled mentality, but it really
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felt like they were struggling with it too. And so, we're avoiding getting to this, but like,
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you know, the polls. Who everybody, you know, and like you go listen to anybody. I told you in text
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today, like I've been listening to the FiveThirtyEight podcast and, you know, between Nate and
01:33:15
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Harry, they're always trying to say like tamp down this like irrational exuberance about what this
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means and like constantly, you know, Nate got burned pretty bad on Trump because at
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one point he said, he's now famous for saying that he thought Trump, I can't believe I'm
01:33:28
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saying his name, had a less than 20% chance of becoming the GOP candidate. And that really
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came back to bite him. And I think he clamped down super hard with the model. And listen
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to that show all along, how they developed the model, updates the model, what's happening
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with the model. But I think they have all along been trying to tamp that down. But I
01:33:48
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this really sick feeling where I want to hear this but I don't want to hear this. I want to hear what
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they have to say because they were the most conservative and it was still so... I haven't seen
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a side-by-side yet. I have not seen a side-by-side on how it turned out versus what each polling site
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modeled, but that's going to be a hell of a story. Like, what parts of that broke down and how did I
01:34:14
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I mean, I like to think of myself as an empathetic person. I'm fond of quoting that old Renoir
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movie and saying everybody has their reasons. Like, I think I'm a fairly empathetic person
01:34:23
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about this, but I did not realize how deep something was in this election. How deep some
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set of feelings, and I think there's a variety of feelings, I think just calling it racist
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or misogynistic is a little short-sighted. There's something maybe even deeper than
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that going on here, and I called that way wrong.
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Yeah, and it's, you know, it is clearly, I mean, you know, subtract white men and the
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election is a blowout for Hillary Clinton.
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In the model, but a lot of white women came out.
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That's the crazy part.
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Yeah, and it's weird, like, what is the difference?
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like why was the white, whether you're men or women,
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angle so definitive here and not when the black guy
01:35:16
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was running the last two elections?
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You know what I mean?
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Like he-- - Oh yeah.
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- You know what I mean? - Look at the margins.
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Look at the margins.
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Look at the margins in the, oh God, listen to me.
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I fucking hate myself.
01:35:26
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Listen, look at the margins in the battleground states.
01:35:28
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But look at the margins, the '08, the '12,
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and the Hillary margins and Wilkes-Barre.
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I mean, I don't know if that's how you pronounce it,
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but that's one that Obama ran away with.
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- Yeah, well, Pennsylvania-- - He won by 20 points.
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- Pennsylvania's gone blue since '92, I think.
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It's crazy, it's really, really weird.
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Turnout was phenomenal in Philadelphia.
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I don't know what you were watching.
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You said you were watching "CNN."
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- CBS and CNN, yeah. - Right, but on MSNBC,
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they kept cutting to Philadelphia,
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they were showing like crazy long lines like North Carolina North Carolina you
01:36:08
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see a line where somebody takes their iPhone right in portrait mode and walks
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along and you just see several hundred black people waiting to vote and you're
01:36:16
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like clearly part of this when they do and they say like the whole percentage
01:36:20
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reporting well what if we don't know how many people have actually voted right
01:36:23
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but then you kept going like oh maybe maybe this is really gonna pull it out
01:36:26
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maybe North Carolina is gonna be the one I think what they're gonna you know for
01:36:29
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whatever reason they're gonna show I think the results will show that the
01:36:33
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turnout in the middle of all these states where you know the rural areas that the the turnout was just
01:36:43
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And hasn't been even you know with
01:36:50
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You know in the Obama election years it you know for whatever reason Trump turned these people out
01:36:56
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And it's you know I don't get it, but it's there
01:37:00
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I need to dash in a bit. Did you want to tell me about one more thing that you're excited about this week?
01:37:04
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I do want to tell you about one more thing.
01:37:05
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I'm very happy to help if I can.
01:37:07
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That's the eighth rule. The eighth rule is there are no sixth and seventh rules of Brazilian steakhouse.
01:37:12
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The ninth rule is you help a buddy with a read.
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Have you ever heard of this?
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Obrigado. Obrigado.
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It's a new sponsor, a brand new company. Well, maybe you've heard of them. I don't know. You're juiced in.
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So maybe you've heard of them.
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Yeah, I'm juiced in.
01:37:25
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Have you ever heard of a company called Squarespace?
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Squarespace is that with an S?
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With an S. Squarespace is...
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Are you talking about the single best place to go to have
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a website, a portfolio, or an online store?
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That's exactly what it is.
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Yes, I do. I've heard of Squarespace. Yeah.
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Well, you're more juiced in than I am. I've never heard of this company.
01:37:50
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I'm a little more juiced in. Yeah.
01:37:51
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I've never heard of this company, but you can start building
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Does it require a credit card?
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It does not. But if you use this code
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but you'll get 10% off whatever level you end up signing up at.
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But you can sign up for free
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Are you telling me you could start literally building your website today
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Is that what you're telling me?
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- Yes, if you have any notion in your head for,
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hey, that should be a website.
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I can make a website that is blank.
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And it could be, like you said, a portfolio of your work.
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It could be a store where you sell the crap that you make.
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- Could be a blog, could be a podcast, could be anything.
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If you just start by going to squarespace.com,
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you almost certainly will have an easier time doing it
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than if you do it in any other way.
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The sites-- - Is there any benefit,
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is there any benefit at all to signing up for a year?
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- I think you get a free domain.
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If you sign up for a year. - You get a free domain name.
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Sign up for a year.
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Are you looking at the, are you looking at my screen?
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If I don't know, why did you home screen like that?
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If you sign up for your docs in the wrong place, you can get a free domain name.
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Uh, so literally they cover everything from registering the domain name to the
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layout of your site, the fonts, the style, the, you know, is that a portfolio site
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where you're showing the illustrations you make, is it a store where you're
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selling t-shirts, is it a blog?
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Is it a, all of that stuff you can set up.
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visually they have.
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I don't know man, what if I'm a developer and I want to get my hands on the actual code?
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Is there any way they have any provision for that? Probably not because it's Squarespace, right?
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They wouldn't have anything like a platform for that.
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You would think that they wouldn't. You would think it's all just, you know, you got to click, click, click.
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But the truth is, Merlin, this is amazing. If you want to get in there and like you want to like
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write your own JavaScript code and put it in there, you can do it.
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You actually can.
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Right on the website you can do that.
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Right in the website. You can just get in there and insert your own code.
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But the thing is, with all these sites, if I run into any kind of trouble, I'm on my own. Is that correct?
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If I... Let's say I run into some kind of trouble. Maybe I get confused.
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Maybe I follow the wrong tutorial from John Sirquhousa's CPAN, and I do my backslashes the wrong way.
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Is there anybody that can help me? Probably not.
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You would... You know what?
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What if you got a... What if you got a... What if they call it a greedy enumerator?
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I would like to tell you...
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What if you have something that's accidentally eating your JavaScript?
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Is there anybody that you can call?
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I would like to tell you that, you know, I would like to say that you are correct because you're on the show and I don't want to embarrass you.
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I would like to say yes, you've got to fix it yourself.
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The truth is though, they actually have 24 hour a day real-time support.
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You just call them up and...
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Anyway, you can text them.
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Yeah, but they've got people. They've positioned them around the world.
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Literally, I'm...
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What if I want to talk to somebody in Portland? Is there anything that they can help me with?
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Yeah, they're in Portland. They're in Ireland.
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They've positioned these people strategically around the world so that when you need tech
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support, if you need tech support, you can get somebody on the horn.
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It's like the Dr. Strange portals.
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They're protecting the globe with these three equidistant points, and they put an entire
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web of support over the earth, and that keeps us away from Dormomamamoo.
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That's amazing.
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What's it called?
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What's the name of the service again?
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It's called Squarespace.
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Squarespace.
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Now, I think they're going places.
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I think you're going to hear about them.
01:41:48
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I think-- keep it in mind, if you have a notion for a website,
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go to squarespace.com.
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Remember the code "talk show," know the, and you'll get 10% off.
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But you don't need--
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honestly, you don't even need 10% off.
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Even if you forget the code, just go there and sign up.
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It's a great service.
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And there could be somebody in your life today who needs this site,
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and they don't know it, but you do.
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That's the thing.
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You do not want to be in the webmaster business.
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You don't want to be making for your preschool for your church group. You don't want to be doing that
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You don't want to get out of that business where you've got to know the SSH login to be able to know
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You don't need to do that anymore. Tell your friends and your family about this site because it's perfect for somebody in your life
01:42:29
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Yeah, that's actually I mean, you know, I'm tongue-in-cheek on this whole thing where you you know are jumping in on this
01:42:36
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That's actually probably the single best advice about Squarespace
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is that keep it in mind for people who don't listen
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to shows like the talk show, because exactly,
01:42:47
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like if your kid's preschool or the church group
01:42:52
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or whatever needs a website, guaranteed,
01:42:55
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that is a better idea than you jumping in and saying,
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oh yeah, I'll jump in and SSH in and start an index.html
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web site, forget it, just go to Squarespace
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and cut yourself out of it.
01:43:14
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Totally true.
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Cut yourself out of it.
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They just got to run with that, right?
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It's totally true, though.
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What are we going to do?
01:43:26
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I think we're going to be OK.
01:43:27
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Yeah, I think we will, too.
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I share your interest and obsession
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with the whole idea of story.
01:43:33
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So I was talking about this.
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I'm doing a new show with a couple of friends of mine.
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We were talking last week about that Steve Jobs lost interview.
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that you can see on Netflix. And I was realizing, and forgive me if you've heard this, if you're
01:43:44
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one of the five people who listen to that show, but I'm very interested in the idea
01:43:46
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of how Apple and Steve Jobs and Pixar are so interested in the idea of story. Story
01:43:51
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about the company, story as a thing that we create. And I was trying to make the case
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that Apple also, if you accept the notion that story is an abstraction layer, their
01:44:01
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computers and their devices are stories too. They're taking out all of the inessential
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things and telling a great story with the minimal number of components needed to tell
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this story correctly. So I've been thinking a lot about story, and now today I'm thinking
01:44:12
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more about story, because I just, I feel like with the, with our President-elect right now,
01:44:20
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you described something earlier, well, is that, is this a victory for him? Is it a victory
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for the party? Is it a defeat of the opposing party? It's hard to know right now, but the
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one thing I do feel that I need to learn more about before I try to do anything intelligent
01:44:32
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rational, is to understand what stories he told, whether they're true, whether
01:44:38
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they're good, whether they're accurate, whether they're kind, whether they're
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decent, whether they're respectful. Whatever stories he's telling meant a
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lot to people, and I think different parts of that story meant things to
01:44:46
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different people, and a lot of the folks in those red states found a way to
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overlook one to five terrible things about him because there was something
01:44:55
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about that story that worked for them. And the failure of imagination for me, as
01:44:59
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as I sit here today, is that I don't think I got that story well enough. And I think
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like everybody else, I missed it. I don't know what's going to change as a result of
01:45:06
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that, but I don't know how I proceed to do anything intelligently until I understand
01:45:09
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what I got wrong. I don't want to point a finger. I don't want to yell at Jill Stein.
01:45:13
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I want to first understand how I got it wrong. And I think I didn't get the story right.
01:45:21
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So I am of the opinion that in the 2000 election that you can yell at Ralph Nader, that Ralph
01:45:32
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Nader really fucked that one up. And you don't even want to get my way. You've probably heard
01:45:39
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her do it because that one is...
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She has a few hot button issues.
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She has a hot button issues. And Ralph Nader in 2000 is one of them, is that Ralph Nader
01:45:50
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really fucked that one up. And I don't feel like this is that at all. I'm with you. I
01:45:58
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don't have any animosity towards the third-party candidates, towards Jill Stein or Joe Schenectady,
01:46:07
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whatever the guy's name is.
01:46:08
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Yeah, the pot guy, Joe Schenectady.
01:46:09
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Yeah, the guy who doesn't know where Aleppo is, you know what I mean?
01:46:13
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Yeah. Aleppo's that Brazilian restaurant in Philadelphia.
01:46:15
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You know what? I think that's the third...
01:46:17
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- That's the 12th rule of--
01:46:20
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- Aleppo, if you yell Aleppo, you always get,
01:46:24
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you get a fresh cut on the house sirloin.
01:46:27
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- You like maybe a nice chicken heart?
01:46:30
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- Don't fill up on Aleppo.
01:46:33
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- This isn't that at all.
01:46:35
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It's very different.
01:46:37
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I tweeted it.
01:46:41
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My id comes out on Twitter.
01:46:45
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I tweet a lot looser than I blog.
01:46:49
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And even on this show, I'm looser on Twitter
01:46:54
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than I am anywhere else.
01:46:56
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And I tweeted before, I think it was even before,
01:47:01
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yeah, I think it was like two days ago,
01:47:04
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but where the Trump team had suggested
01:47:08
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that they're gonna appoint Rudy Giuliani
01:47:12
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as Attorney General and--
01:47:15
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You could not put those announcements in Gingrich.
01:47:17
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You could not put that in Mad Magazine and have it be possible.
01:47:20
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And Newt Gingrich is Secretary of State.
01:47:23
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And you know, maybe that's actually, you know, at this point, maybe that's going
01:47:26
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to come to pass.
01:47:27
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And like you said, it sounds like something out of Mad Magazine.
01:47:31
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But honest to God, at least there's a certain honesty to it.
01:47:37
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You know what I mean?
01:47:38
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Like, I think it's preposterous.
01:47:40
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I don't agree with it.
01:47:41
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I think it's terrible.
01:47:42
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But at least they're saying this is how bad it's gonna be.
01:47:47
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You know, or this is how, you know, I say bad,
01:47:52
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but this is how, you know.
01:47:54
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- Different.
01:47:56
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- How different it's going to be.
01:47:58
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- I think we can fairly say in a nonpartisan way,
01:48:00
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things are gonna be a little different for a while.
01:48:03
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- Yes, I do.
01:48:05
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I think that's exactly right.
01:48:07
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But there is--
01:48:08
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- Did you see that video of Obama high-fiving
01:48:10
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a little kid dressed like Superman?
01:48:12
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- And then he fell down, he Superman high-fived him
01:48:15
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and he fell back.
01:48:16
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Like he was really, like the force
01:48:18
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of that little five-year-old kid knocked him over.
01:48:21
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- I don't think you're gonna get so much of that anymore.
01:48:23
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- Yeah, not so much.
01:48:24
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- I'm gonna really, really miss that guy.
01:48:30
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Sorry I cut you off there.
01:48:32
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- No, it's, you know, I don't know where I was going.
01:48:34
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- You gotta edit this thing and put it out, John.
01:48:36
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This is gonna help a lot of people.
01:48:38
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- That's exactly what I want, is--
01:48:40
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I think you are probably one of the premier Brazilian steak podcasts that's available today.
01:48:44
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I don't know all of them. The thing is, we can't scoop up everybody. That's the thing.
01:48:48
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We're going to leave some people out of the Brazilians' meats.
01:48:50
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Have you ever had the fried banana at a Brazilian steakhouse?
01:48:53
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Shit, dog. Hell yeah.
01:48:55
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And here's what I thought the first time I went. I was like, "Well, I'm not eating a fried banana.
01:49:03
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That sounds disgusting."
01:49:04
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That's how they get you. That's how they get you.
01:49:06
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And that's how they get you.
01:49:07
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It's pretty damn good.
01:49:08
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It's really good.
01:49:10
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And next thing you know, you're asking your guy.
01:49:12
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The guy thinks you're asking for more of the top sirloin
01:49:16
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or the bottom sirloin.
01:49:17
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They've got 13 different cuts of steak.
01:49:19
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And the guy thinks you're going to ask for that.
01:49:21
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And you're like, no, bring us another fried banana.
01:49:24
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They should serve it on a sword, though.
01:49:26
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That would make it more fun.
01:49:27
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They should.
01:49:28
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Banana sword.
01:49:29
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I think because, though--
01:49:32
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I think the problem is that it's going
01:49:34
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to fall right off the sword, it's
01:49:35
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going to cut right through it.
01:49:38
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Did you get the little tongs on the table when you go?
01:49:40
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I love little tongs.
01:49:41
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You got to get the tongs, because the tongs--
01:49:42
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Well, you get to participate a little bit.
01:49:44
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I don't think they have to do that,
01:49:45
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but I like the fact that they cut most of it off,
01:49:46
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and they kind of give you this look.
01:49:47
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They go, huh?
01:49:48
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And you grab your little tongs, and you
01:49:49
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help with the rest of the way.
01:49:51
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They cut it about 80% of the way.
01:49:54
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And then you take your tongs, and then they
01:49:56
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cut the rest of the way, and you take your little slab of meat.
01:50:01
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Now, one Brazilian steak.
01:50:05
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I think America needs--
01:50:07
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I think that's what America needs.
01:50:09
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America needs a Brazilian steak.
01:50:11
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- That's a really good way, stronger together.
01:50:14
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I think that's something we could all use.
01:50:16
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Are you, do you feel like you're gonna be okay?
01:50:19
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I mean, after the holiday party's over,
01:50:20
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but I mean, do you feel like,
01:50:22
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I know it's probably too early to feel anything
01:50:24
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too coherently, but anything you're thinking about
01:50:28
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going forward?
01:50:30
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- All I keep thinking is, I am upset.
01:50:36
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I've taken this very hard.
01:50:37
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I am politically very fascinated.
01:50:42
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I've said this before, but where like,
01:50:45
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when I first started thinking,
01:50:47
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I should start writing a blog.
01:50:49
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I had this name, Daring Fireball, in my pocket,
01:50:52
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and I thought, should I write about Apple and tech stuff,
01:50:56
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or should I write about politics?
01:50:58
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And it was like a 50/50 call for me in 2002.
01:51:01
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- Wow. - It really was.
01:51:02
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- Wow. - Which one?
01:51:03
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I really am that invested in this stuff.
01:51:06
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Or maybe sports.
01:51:07
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Did you ever consider sports?
01:51:09
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Sports is always up there.
01:51:11
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No, I'm not being facetious.
01:51:13
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I mean, did it cross your mind?
01:51:14
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It did, but not as much because I didn't
01:51:17
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feel like it was as underserved.
01:51:19
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I feel like--
01:51:21
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I felt like politics and tech were underserved
01:51:25
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by smart commentary.
01:51:26
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Well, we both got lucky and different.
01:51:28
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Obviously, you were way more successful than I was at this.
01:51:30
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But we were both--
01:51:31
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we had good timing at figuring out
01:51:34
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a pie slice of a pie slice.
01:51:36
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Like, who would ever think somebody would want
01:51:38
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something about Mac productivity?
01:51:40
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Like, you know, most people don't want a Mac site.
01:51:42
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Most people don't want a productivity site.
01:51:44
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Who would want a Mac productivity site?
01:51:46
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That's bananas.
01:51:47
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And in your case, there were not that many people
01:51:49
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out there doing what you were doing.
01:51:51
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But, you know, the sport's a little more.
01:51:53
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- Totally true.
01:51:56
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But I will tell you, and,
01:52:00
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Like previous elections, you know, again,
01:52:03
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I'm glad that Barack Obama won the last two.
01:52:07
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I was despondent in 2000 and 2004
01:52:10
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when George W. Bush won.
01:52:12
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But this one, to me, there's like a,
01:52:17
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I don't just feel like my side lost.
01:52:21
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I feel a guilt.
01:52:23
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I feel like, and I,
01:52:29
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You know what I mean?
01:52:29
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You and I are almost identically aged white men,
01:52:34
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straight white men with wives and a kid,
01:52:39
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and our kids are both what, roughly 10 years old.
01:52:42
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My kid's a little older, yours is a little younger.
01:52:45
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We're almost the same guy.
01:52:47
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We really are.
01:52:47
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And we make our living on the internet.
01:52:51
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We've got it good, right?
01:52:55
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I mean, there's no denying it.
01:52:58
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You and I have it really good.
01:53:01
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And I really do feel that at a basic level,
01:53:06
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like I almost, it's not even my right
01:53:11
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to feel bad about this one,
01:53:12
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because it's my people who blew it.
01:53:17
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And I didn't-- - That's true,
01:53:20
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but there's another part of this,
01:53:21
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that's part of what eats at me,
01:53:23
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is that I have seen, and I agree with you,
01:53:25
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like who needs two white guys talking about anything?
01:53:27
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except like I'm a white guy who's really pulling
01:53:29
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for a lot of stuff to change.
01:53:31
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Like regardless of like, you know,
01:53:33
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whatever applesauce my dick is in,
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like there's some stuff that means a lot to me.
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And as I have had small and sometimes private
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little bits of evolution in how I think about the world,
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I got a little myopic in thinking
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that other people saw the same thing
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and that they could be thrilled and buoyed
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to see people who never had a chance
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to be normal American citizens before,
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get to do things in the last five years
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could have expected. I mean, who saw the gay marriage thing coming along the way it did?
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Well, some people did, and then it happened. And you're like, how can you look at that
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and see anything but joy? The two people just got to be the person they want to be. America
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is where you get to be the person that you want to be. And that's the hard part. But
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it's even--I want to say even more especially as a white guy, because no, I don't have the
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same--certainly I'm extremely privileged in so many ways. I get to go where I want to
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to go and all that kind of stuff. But my little miniature journey into understanding these
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little parts of America better and getting to see those people have these exalted moments
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of victory after years of being told that they aren't an actual human being, to see
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so much of that progress in the last five years and now see that in jeopardy hurts my
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heart in a way that's difficult for me to communicate.
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I feel exactly the same way.
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I can't say it better.
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This is why I'm glad you're on the show with me today.
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And I really hope that whatever side of the election
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people who are listening to this are on,
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that they can hear us and sympathize.
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I mean that.
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And in a way, you know, like for example,
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I think my wife, if she were, I don't think she listens to the whole show.
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So I think she'd be furious if she heard me saying that I'm, you know, whichever side
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of the election I'm on because she thinks the people who voted the other way are shitbags.
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And she's not wrong.
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She's not wrong.
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She's right.
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No, she's not.
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She's not wrong.
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She's not wrong.
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Here's something I got schooled hard on by my friend in the show, John Siracusa.
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And we were talking about things having to do with the way that women get treated by
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And I found myself saying this thing that I don't say anymore.
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This is like less than a year ago.
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But I found myself saying, "Don't these people who are these gamer-gate guys, don't they
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realize that they're talking to somebody's sister or they're talking to somebody's daughter?"
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And John, I think, very intelligently said, "Hey, you know, is that really, is that the
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hill you want to die on?
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You sure you want to put their, the importance of their humanity and rights in terms of how
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how they relate to you.
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And I thought about it for months and months and months.
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And then I saw it happening a lot after the pussy grabbing,
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and I thought about it a lot.
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And now I think you have to want these things for people
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because they're people, not because they're people
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that you've decided are particularly empathetic
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based on your own feelings and needs.
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And that's where I think I do feel comfortable
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as a white guy saying that this is a shit show,
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because I've gotten to see those victories.
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I see it in my kid's class.
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I see it in the girl in my kid's class in a,
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where's the hijab?
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I mean, you see it.
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This is not an abstract thing about a wall.
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This is about actual human beings
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who have worked extremely hard to make what they can here.
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And to see that potentially taken away
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in such a massive way, if that doesn't move you,
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you're not wired right.
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- I saw a thing where just yesterday,
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somebody posted on Twitter, just, I mean,
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it was a thousand of them, you know,
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maybe there's a thousand different pictures
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the same thing but somebody posted yesterday a picture of a white guy
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looked you know maybe around somewhere around 27 years old white guy at a Trump
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rally the day before the election and he was wearing a shirt that said Hillary is
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a bitch pound sign Trump so black letters Hillary is a bitch and then the
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#ItWasInRedTrump.
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And somebody, you know, just, the observation was,
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can you even imagine, you know,
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how much worse is the misogyny that allows somebody
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to go out in public with a shirt like that?
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Because what would be the equivalent shirt against Obama?
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Nobody would go out wearing a shirt
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with the N-word on it, right?
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I mean, or I say nobody, but, and it's, you know,
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maybe in a country of 300 million,
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there's one guy who would do it.
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But this wasn't like that abnormal.
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- But you wouldn't have 46% of the population
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thinking it's okay.
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- Right, exactly.
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There is something very different.
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- There's no cultural prohibition against that
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that's pushing back to make him go,
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maybe this isn't such a good idea.
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- And it makes me feel personally.
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And even before the, and again, this was like 48 hours ago,
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This is before the results.
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But that one tweet and the guy wearing that shirt
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that said that, it just emphasizes how I feel
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like this whole time, I feel like I need to step backwards
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and let other people tell me what is going on
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rather than observe myself.
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You know what I mean?
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You have to shut the fuck up at the times when somebody is telling you
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something you need to hear.
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And then increasingly, I'm coming around to the idea
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of how important it is to speak up when somebody is doing the opposite.
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The only time I feel the need to speak up is to observe.
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Like for example, to say, it is to me, literally--
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I'm not exaggerating-- unacceptable to wear a shirt
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that says Hillary is a bitch.
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It's completely unacceptable.
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It really, to me, is as unacceptable
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as saying Obama is the N-word.
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It's that equivalent.
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Yet, we're not there as a society.
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So I'm willing to stand up and say that,
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but in terms of how we got this election result,
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I just feel like, you know, I don't know.
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- I don't know either.
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- I tell you what, the other thing too,
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and I think we're in the same boat here,
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with, like I said, like with two kids who at this point,
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like when we first had our kids,
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it felt like they were so far apart in age, right?
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- Oh, I know, I know, I know.
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We were just playing with that.
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Last night, Ellie was pulling out some of her stuffies
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'cause she was feeling pretty wrecked,
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And she found that little bird Jonas gave her in New Zealand.
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It was like...
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They were like babies. There was a little baby and a big baby.
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Yeah, it was like...
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Well, it was like, you know...
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But at this point, it feels like they are both "about 10 years old."
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And that's a loose approximation.
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I have to say, honest to God, and we don't like...
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We haven't indoctrinated Jonas with politics.
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We haven't, you know, like, you know,
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we don't make him talk about it.
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We don't make him think about it.
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He just absorbs what he picks up.
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I have to say, he is devastated.
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He's absolutely devastated.
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And the kids, you know, again,
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maybe it's because we're in the city
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and it's an urban environment,
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but the kids today are so open-minded.
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kids today like he you know I mean he's got like oh it's it's it's I mean
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unbelievably different yet my daughter does not need to be schooled that it's
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it's okay for gay people to be together I mean it's everywhere it's the teachers
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at her school it's it's I mean that's where we live this is life these are our
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friends I these I think and you it would be like saying to her you know Pete you
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shouldn't punch people in the face just cuz I wear a blue shirt like well yeah
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yeah of course not like why did you need to tell me that well just so you know
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It's okay if gay people are together.
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- I've said this before,
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and I think you listen to my show,
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so maybe you've heard it,
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but I think it's the most amazing thing.
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Jonas' School has a club, and it's called GLOW, G-L-O-W,
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and it stands for gay, lesbian, or whatever.
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And to me, it is the greatest,
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it's so much better than LGBT,
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and then they keep, there's Q and--
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- Yeah, QIA.
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Gay, lesbian, or whatever is to me...
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Oh, that's the actual name?
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No, it's literally the name. It's officially the name. I'm not making it up. It is so great.
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It's actually weirdly efficient.
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But nobody... but like, he doesn't think it's funny or clever at all. That's literally...
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but it actually is what everybody of his generation seems to think is like, "Wow, yeah, you know,
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Whatever you're into, you're into.
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It's all right.
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Why would that matter to me?
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It's like me worrying about you having a green car.
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But this election result is such a repudiation of that or whatever part, right?
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That's the stage two I'm going to be hitting.
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And the kids get it.
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The kids do.
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There's no denying it.
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It's not just like the video of the Latino girl saying to Hillary Clinton, "I'm worried
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that my parents are going to be deported."
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And Hillary says, "Come here.
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I'm going to do whatever I can."
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It's all kids.
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It doesn't matter what their background is.
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All kids see it, and really, I don't know what to do.
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It's the most loss I've ever felt as a parent.
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Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it's so early. I think it's at a time when you're not sure
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what's going on, you're feeling at sea. You know, I think the advice to not panic is a
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good one. I mean, it's hard not to, but I think on some level, you've kind of got to
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just, you got to just feel your way through and know we've gotten through a lot of stuff
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and we'll go through a lot of stuff in the future. I don't have anything inspirational
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to say here, except that like you just, you've got to keep your cool, keep doing the right
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thing and try not to be unkind. Like right now, there's a lot of people going after
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each other and there's a real vibe of telling—feels like there's the beginnings of a vibe of
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finger-pointing and there's a big vibe. And you know, if that's your thing, you know,
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Hakuna Matata. But like, I would feel like if I had one thing to ask, let's go easy
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on that for a while and let's go easy on tearing each other apart or tearing other
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people apart. And let's maybe just have at least a couple, three days where we don't
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people that they're feeling wrong incorrectly or they're feeling bad wrongly. Let's let
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people have a time to grieve for whatever it is they're grieving for, even if you don't
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think they deserve it.
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That's exactly how I feel. And I don't want... Again, I don't want to point any fingers.
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I really don't. I just want to say, "Keep pushing in the right direction and forget
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It's so hard because we're, as mechanical devices,
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human beings are meant to see everything day by day,
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hour by hour, moment by moment.
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But the truth is, in the long term, what matters is
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on the years and decades perspective.
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And just keep pushing in the right direction
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and it'll work out even though this is clearly a setback.
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And I really do think that it's not right,
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counterproductive to start pointing fingers.
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- Well, let's check back in after a while.
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I gotta go pick up my kid and start my holiday party.
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I have a holiday party, did you get the invitation?
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- I'm gonna be joining you.
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Merlin Mann, where else can people listen to you?
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You are, in my opinion, probably the single greatest
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podcaster on the internet.
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- You're always saying that.
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- No, but I actually mean that.
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- Oh, thank you.
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- You have a bizarre gift for being really good
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on a podcast.
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- Bizarre gift, declares John Gruber.
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I don't know, I just don't fucking know at this point.
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Tell me very good branding.
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Just go to Hot Dogs Ladies if you wanna see me on Twitter.
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Kind of quiet right now go to hot dogs ladies on Twitter, you know, I should do you know what they should do
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They should listen to the show. I do with John Sir. Cusa. I do show John Sir Cusa called reconcilable differences never
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Never heard of it. Is that relay dot FM slash RD never is this guy John Sir Cusa? I don't know
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I think he might be an Italian. I don't know if he's here legally
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We're gonna build a big
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Beautiful wall with Napoli and we're gonna make the Italians pay for it. It's a spicy meatball
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That I don't run down