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00:00:00 ◼   ► I just got a Mojave alert from Skype asking me to use my microphone. So hopefully it actually works

00:00:05 ◼   ► You're doing this on Mojave. Yeah

00:00:09 ◼   ► You know what they say about you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

00:00:14 ◼   ► You are very brave I

00:00:17 ◼   ► Do have Mojave installed but I have it installed on an external USB drive for my iMac

00:00:23 ◼   ► That was the smart way to go about things. Honestly, it's been it's been pretty solid it is

00:00:28 ◼   ► I've just run into, yeah.

00:00:30 ◼   ► It and iOS 12 both, I've been impressed.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I think there is something to the sort of a focus

00:00:37 ◼   ► on bug fixed ability type stuff.

00:00:41 ◼   ► I mean, both, you know, Federighi said it on stage

00:00:45 ◼   ► at WWDC for iOS.

00:00:46 ◼   ► It was the first thing he mentioned about iOS 12.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Gurman had a leaked sort of engineering staff meeting

00:00:55 ◼   ► from months ago where this was brought up.

00:00:58 ◼   ► And I think it kind of shows in these betas,

00:01:00 ◼   ► especially the fact that both of them are,

00:01:04 ◼   ► both Mac and iOS are both sort of universally held up

00:01:08 ◼   ► as far as I can tell,

00:01:09 ◼   ► as some of the most stable WWDC betas in memory.

00:01:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I can definitely attest to that.

00:01:17 ◼   ► Considering, I don't know,

00:01:18 ◼   ► how long have you been running betas on your phone?

00:01:20 ◼   ► 'Cause I feel like I've been doing it

00:01:21 ◼   ► at least since 2012, 2011.

00:01:26 ◼   ► And usually it's like the first month just sucks.

00:01:30 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Like you just say goodbye

00:01:32 ◼   ► to that phone really working in the interest

00:01:35 ◼   ► of playing around or in our case,

00:01:38 ◼   ► writing about new features.

00:01:40 ◼   ► - Well, and the WWDC build ones are bad,

00:01:42 ◼   ► notoriously bad for two reasons.

00:01:45 ◼   ► One, they're the first ones that come outside Apple.

00:01:48 ◼   ► And second, there's a hard and fast date.

00:01:50 ◼   ► They have to, at some point on Sunday,

00:01:55 ◼   ► the day before the keynote that they've got to say,

00:01:58 ◼   ► this is the GM build, you know,

00:02:00 ◼   ► you know, we know about X, Y, and Z,

00:02:03 ◼   ► but hey, these things are, you know,

00:02:06 ◼   ► Craig or Phil or somebody is going to stand on stage

00:02:10 ◼   ► and say, this is gonna be available after the keynote.

00:02:12 ◼   ► And so it's going to be available after the keynote.

00:02:14 ◼   ► So it's understandable.

00:02:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, we kind of have to log it.

00:02:17 ◼   ► Did you read the watchOS 5 release notes?

00:02:20 ◼   ► 'Cause those are excellent.

00:02:22 ◼   ► - No, I did not.

00:02:23 ◼   ► Tell me about that.

00:02:24 ◼   ► The developer release notes, which I don't think are behind the firewall, so hopefully

00:02:29 ◼   ► I'm not breaking NDA to talk about it.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Well, there's no NDA anymore.

00:02:31 ◼   ► No.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:02:33 ◼   ► That's true.

00:02:34 ◼   ► No screenshots NDA.

00:02:35 ◼   ► Right.

00:02:36 ◼   ► But yeah, but the developer release notes are essentially like, "This doesn't work.

00:02:40 ◼   ► This doesn't work.

00:02:41 ◼   ► Walkie-talkie's not in this build yet.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Don't try sending Apple Pay to your friends via messages on your Apple Watch, because

00:02:48 ◼   ► it's not going to work.

00:02:50 ◼   ► If you try this specific combination of things

00:02:53 ◼   ► on your Apple Watch, you'll probably kernel panic it.

00:02:56 ◼   ► It was just like a long list of like,

00:02:58 ◼   ► be careful about this, don't do this.

00:03:00 ◼   ► If you're gonna do this, do it this way.

00:03:02 ◼   ► I'm like, yeah, this in combination with the fact

00:03:07 ◼   ► that the watch is pretty much impossible to reset

00:03:10 ◼   ► if you brick it.

00:03:11 ◼   ► People wonder why the watch doesn't have a public beta,

00:03:14 ◼   ► and I'm like, well, this is a great reason why.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - The watch is still, I mean, again,

00:03:19 ◼   ► We can get to WWDC news soon, but the watch in general is still such a pain in the ass

00:03:24 ◼   ► to update at all.

00:03:25 ◼   ► Like it's gotten better.

00:03:28 ◼   ► Like the first time like the fight with the original watch, the first time there was a

00:03:32 ◼   ► software update, I was convinced it was bricked.

00:03:34 ◼   ► I was like, there is no possible way that this, this slow spinner around the outside,

00:03:40 ◼   ► you know, like spinning to complete a circle is supposed to take this long.

00:03:45 ◼   ► And I'm like, look, it's stuck, it's stuck.

00:03:47 ◼   ► It stuck at like seven o'clock and I like put my finger at the tick mark where it was

00:03:52 ◼   ► and just waited for it to move just one more tick.

00:03:54 ◼   ► And then finally it moved.

00:03:56 ◼   ► I was like, okay, it's not stuck.

00:03:57 ◼   ► And then it like completes the circle.

00:04:00 ◼   ► The screen goes black and then it starts another circle.

00:04:03 ◼   ► And it's like, oh.

00:04:04 ◼   ► And it's just the secondary circle.

00:04:06 ◼   ► Now I'm really screwed.

00:04:07 ◼   ► So it's way better than it was then, but it still takes seemingly so long.

00:04:12 ◼   ► just seems like there's never a good time to like update your watch unless you you know and and it's

00:04:18 ◼   ► like you kind of have to babysit it and it has to be on a charger and you know i tend to keep my

00:04:23 ◼   ► charger up in the bedroom and it's the only place i really need one on a regular basis and i'm like

00:04:28 ◼   ► i don't want to go up to the bedroom like there's got to be a watch charger around here somewhere

00:04:32 ◼   ► and no i can't find one if only apple had released that that air power charging station then you

00:04:37 ◼   ► You could have just charged your watch. Oh, well, I just did you see that? I just linked to that

00:04:42 ◼   ► No, just right before we started the show. I just I just posted it. That's like you're we're in sync

00:04:49 ◼   ► I just posted an item on during fireball where the heck is

00:04:52 ◼   ► Oh my gosh, I I just assume it just got lost in in the move to Apple Park

00:04:58 ◼   ► It's in a box somewhere and they're like, oh our final design proves we want to approve them, but they're they're all buried

00:05:04 ◼   ► I don't know something is I don't want to go deep on it. But I mean something clearly I think has gone very wrong with that product

00:05:11 ◼   ► yeah, well, I mean it's a it's a tricky one right because

00:05:14 ◼   ► Supporting supporting the iPhone is a pretty standard like cut-and-dry thing because of the standards and everything else

00:05:21 ◼   ► But they really kind of I feel like they bit off a couple of extra things where they're like and it's gonna work with the

00:05:28 ◼   ► software so that your iPhone will tell you all of the things that are charging and it's gonna charge the watch with no extra

00:05:34 ◼   ► "extra fiddly diddly bits, and we're gonna release

00:05:37 ◼   ► "a new AirPods case that's gonna work with it."

00:05:40 ◼   ► I'm just like, maybe you start with just saying,

00:05:44 ◼   ► "It's gonna charge the iPhone,

00:05:45 ◼   ► "and it can charge two iPhones at once."

00:05:48 ◼   ► And then you add the extra things,

00:05:50 ◼   ► 'cause I think the extra things are probably getting,

00:05:52 ◼   ► like, my pet theory now is that AirPower

00:05:55 ◼   ► is gonna come out with a watch, the Series 4 watch,

00:05:59 ◼   ► and they're just gonna say it's Series 4 and above,

00:06:01 ◼   ► because trying to get it to work with a Series 3

00:06:03 ◼   ► has been such a pain.

00:06:04 ◼   ► That's just my pet. I have no inside information on this, but it's just my pet theory of

00:06:08 ◼   ► it's probably the watch. If I had to guess anything, it's probably the watch.

00:06:13 ◼   ► My fear is that they've got production units and they're like, "All right,

00:06:18 ◼   ► go through the testing," and set up a hundred of them and two phones catch on fire.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:06:25 ◼   ► I don't know. I don't know. It just seems... I don't know. It just... I don't know.

00:06:31 ◼   ► It's a weird one. It's a very it's a very weird one, especially

00:06:34 ◼   ► They haven't really they never released a like this will be out later, right? Because they've done that on some products before where they're like

00:06:41 ◼   ► We know we said this but it's going to be out a little bit later. I don't remember them doing it for air power. Uh, the worst

00:06:48 ◼   ► production

00:06:50 ◼   ► Misqueues that I can remember the single worst one I can remember is the white iphone 4 the white iphone 4

00:06:56 ◼   ► Yeah

00:06:56 ◼   ► That was my first one too didn't come out was supposed to come out or the black one came out at the end of june

00:07:01 ◼   ► And that was the last phone that came out at the end of June because the 4s was the first one

00:07:05 ◼   ► That moves you to the temple what actually moved to October. Yeah, that's right

00:07:10 ◼   ► But I think it was supposed to be September, you know, and it was just held up but

00:07:18 ◼   ► The white iPhone 4 didn't ship until I think late April

00:07:23 ◼   ► Possibly even early May so it was at least like nine months late might have been ten months late

00:07:29 ◼   ► And even though even though it was 10 months late, it wasn't like the new ones came out two months later, but we didn't know that, you know

00:07:38 ◼   ► Yeah

00:07:39 ◼   ► So that was the one year where Amy didn't get a new iPhone because she definitely wanted the white one

00:07:44 ◼   ► So she was waiting for it and then on her hands. Yeah by the time she came out

00:07:48 ◼   ► She was like I'm not buying a year-old phone. I mean that's

00:07:51 ◼   ► $800 it's ridiculous. She knows better. Yeah, so that was a bad one. I mean that was really bad

00:07:57 ◼   ► That was bad home pod had a delay but the delay was pretty well communicated I think yeah and

00:08:03 ◼   ► home now air pods were

00:08:06 ◼   ► That's right

00:08:08 ◼   ► You know, they did make it before the end of the year

00:08:11 ◼   ► I mean you could you know just barely like one one

00:08:14 ◼   ► Production line made it before the end of the year and then they kind of eased up it what February but that's no that's that's the

00:08:20 ◼   ► Nintendo playbook right like it's no different than a lot of other manufacturers

00:08:24 ◼   ► We're just it feels weird to us because Apple is not usually one of these companies. That's like

00:08:29 ◼   ► We're not gonna hit our shipping deadline

00:08:32 ◼   ► All right

00:08:33 ◼   ► like and so to see them do it just I don't know whether it instills fear or if it's just a

00:08:38 ◼   ► Profound head scratching like what is going on?

00:08:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. So I don't know I hope for Apple's sake they get it out before the September event

00:08:48 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised

00:08:49 ◼   ► You know how they ship the AirPower 2 update literally one week before WWDC?

00:08:55 ◼   ► I kind of expect like, "Okay, here's AirPower one week before the iPhone announcement."

00:09:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:09:03 ◼   ► Thank God. We're going to have to start a betting pool on this. How many people think it'll be

00:09:07 ◼   ► released before or how many people think it'll be released after and only with Watch Series 4 support?

00:09:14 ◼   ► they just really just go try to, you know, go full denial like airpower. What's that?

00:09:20 ◼   ► That was never a product. They just scrub it from the keynote.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Right.

00:09:25 ◼   ► We've always been at war with East Asia.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Exactly. It's totally. Oh my God. I'm drawing a blank on his name. What's his name?

00:09:32 ◼   ► Author of 1984.

00:09:36 ◼   ► Orwell.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Orwell. Geez, how I'm losing it here. Serenity.

00:09:39 ◼   ► It's only Wednesday. It's only Wednesday, John. I know it's like WWDC

00:09:44 ◼   ► was still recent, but he gets some sleep. I tell you what, I always forget how hard it is for me,

00:09:53 ◼   ► at least, to catch up after WWDC. And I think it's the right way to do it, but I'm generally off.

00:10:02 ◼   ► And it's a combination of things. Like Mondays, the keynote day is just crazy for me,

00:10:08 ◼   ► because it's just keeping up. And it's always funny to me. This has been the case ever since

00:10:11 ◼   ► I started going to WWDC where I always feel like one of the least informed people who follows Apple

00:10:19 ◼   ► all day on Wednesday. I'll be meeting someone at six o'clock and they'll be mentioning something

00:10:26 ◼   ► that wasn't in the keynote and it's big news. And I'm like, "What? They announced that?" And

00:10:30 ◼   ► they're like, "Yeah, that came out at noon." And it was like, "What? I had no idea." I feel like

00:10:36 ◼   ► I'm in this huge information vacuum where I'm just locked into what was in the keynote

00:10:41 ◼   ► and trying to get all the details on it. Then Tuesday now, in recent years, I'm all consumed

00:10:46 ◼   ► by my live show. And then by Wednesday, I'm trying to be social because it's like Tuesday

00:10:52 ◼   ► and Monday, I was totally like—Monday I'm locked into the keynote and briefings. Tuesday,

00:10:57 ◼   ► I'm in my panic vacuum, preparing for the show. And then Wednesday, I try to be sociable

00:11:06 ◼   ► And Thursday, I just try to hang out and see people

00:11:09 ◼   ► and bump into people and not be on the computer.

00:11:11 ◼   ► And then I wind up with,

00:11:13 ◼   ► usually I wind up most weeks with a lot of unread emails,

00:11:16 ◼   ► but it's nothing like WWDC week.

00:11:19 ◼   ► - WWDC week, I feel like is the week

00:11:21 ◼   ► where all of my normal computing talents just go to hell.

00:11:25 ◼   ► Because like you said, it's like there's so much,

00:11:27 ◼   ► the joy of going to WWDC is talking to people in person

00:11:32 ◼   ► and making those connections

00:11:33 ◼   ► that you might not otherwise make.

00:11:35 ◼   ► And especially if you have the pass, like being able--

00:11:38 ◼   ► like I had a dev pass for the first time this year.

00:11:41 ◼   ► And so I was like--

00:11:43 ◼   ► the few moments of free time I had, I was like, all right,

00:11:46 ◼   ► got to go check out these sessions.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Got to go talk to these developers.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Got to go like, you know, listen to these engineers,

00:11:51 ◼   ► talk about pencil support and all of these things.

00:11:54 ◼   ► Got to go talk with ADA winners.

00:11:55 ◼   ► Got to go podcast in the fancy podcasting room.

00:11:58 ◼   ► And then before you know it, it's Friday morning,

00:12:00 ◼   ► and you're like, holy crow, did I really

00:12:03 ◼   ► go through four days of appointments

00:12:05 ◼   ► that were like 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Like, you kind of blink and then you look at your computer

00:12:11 ◼   ► or Twitter, Twitter's the worst,

00:12:13 ◼   ► especially on, I feel like, on keynote day,

00:12:16 ◼   ► because, you know, like,

00:12:18 ◼   ► I know you don't really live blog it so much, but like--

00:12:21 ◼   ► - No, no, the opposite, really.

00:12:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, you just like take it in.

00:12:24 ◼   ► I take it in by live blogging for iMore.

00:12:27 ◼   ► So I'm like, I basically turn off my main feed

00:12:30 ◼   ► and just focus on like writing for about two hours straight,

00:12:35 ◼   ► and then leave Twitter alone while I'm like running around

00:12:39 ◼   ► and get talking to people and digging into those betas

00:12:42 ◼   ► so I can find out about that weird feature

00:12:44 ◼   ► you hear about on Monday afternoon or Monday evening.

00:12:48 ◼   ► And then by the time I actually touch Twitter again,

00:12:50 ◼   ► it's like 1500 new tweets.

00:12:54 ◼   ► And normally, I would just declare Twitter bankruptcy.

00:12:57 ◼   ► And just, you know, like I've done this before

00:12:59 ◼   ► I've gone on derby tournaments, right? And I come back and I'm like, I don't want to read this weekend stuff. But Monday, I feel an like an obsessive need to go through this in the hopes of like someone will have spotted something that I missed. Usually, like this year, it was really just like, alright, Steve Trotton Smith, Steve Trotton Smith, like Guillermo Rambo, Steve Trotton Smith.

00:13:22 ◼   ► No, but it's really helpful, at least for me on Mondays,

00:13:26 ◼   ► to go through that and find what other people have grabbed

00:13:30 ◼   ► while researching various things,

00:13:33 ◼   ► 'cause it allows me to put together the full picture,

00:13:35 ◼   ► but it also means that I'm reading 1,500 tweets

00:13:38 ◼   ► at 11 p.m. on Monday, and then I don't get to sleep

00:13:41 ◼   ► until two, and then I have a thing at 6.30

00:13:43 ◼   ► the next morning.

00:13:44 ◼   ► So it's, yeah, the email bankruptcy,

00:13:48 ◼   ► the feeling of just your tech is completely killing you

00:13:51 ◼   ► slowly is a very real one.

00:13:54 ◼   ► I find that I really am. I know some people might think I'm exaggerating, but I truly

00:14:01 ◼   ► am a preposterously bad email person. I really should hire someone I trust to have full access

00:14:10 ◼   ► to my email. I really should have an assistant who I trust to literally have access to all

00:14:16 ◼   ► of my email and to go through and read it every day and at least call out anything that's

00:14:21 ◼   ► say, "Holy crap, this one's important." Because I'll just go days and there'll be truly important

00:14:27 ◼   ► emails.

00:14:29 ◼   ► Well, if something was really important, I feel like they would find a way to get in

00:14:38 ◼   ► contact with you via text. That's kind of how I've lived my life for the last nine months

00:14:42 ◼   ► is like if someone hasn't pinged me on Slack or on iMessage, it's probably not life-threateningly

00:14:51 ◼   ► important. And for all of the things, there's the VIP box. But imagine, I don't know, imagine,

00:14:57 ◼   ► imagine that you're searching for something else in email. And you've, you know, how you're

00:15:03 ◼   ► searching for something. And you know, how you get like a weird list, and it might contain things you

00:15:07 ◼   ► don't think. And I see something totally unrelated to what I'm looking for. But the from address is,

00:15:12 ◼   ► let's say, a very famous person,

00:15:17 ◼   ► who everybody's listening to the show knows exactly who they are and that this person

00:15:23 ◼   ► sent me a very complimentary and kind email and it was five months old.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Oh no!

00:15:30 ◼   ► I never saw it. That's the—that happened to me about a week ago.

00:15:36 ◼   ► And you don't get a second email about something like that.

00:15:41 ◼   ► No.

00:15:42 ◼   ► Like, so urgent emails, yes, somebody will figure out a way to get it. Important emails,

00:15:49 ◼   ► not always, but I'm very bad at it. But one reason I've gotten worse at it is because of Twitter.

00:15:54 ◼   ► And it's because I love how if I do want to catch up on Twitter, and for me, I never catch up on my

00:16:01 ◼   ► timeline, it's impossible. I've many, many years ago realized Twitter was more better for me if I

00:16:08 ◼   ► I just follow more people than I could ever hopefully complete.

00:16:12 ◼   ► But I do try to be a completionist or near completionist on mentions to @Gruber and @DaringFireball.

00:16:19 ◼   ► And I sort of treat them like email.

00:16:23 ◼   ► If you can fit a comment to me about a Daring Fireball article in a Twitter mention, and

00:16:30 ◼   ► you're willing to—obviously that's public, not private.

00:16:34 ◼   ► you're 10 times more likely for me to actually read it

00:16:37 ◼   ► if you do it on Twitter than if you send it as an email.

00:16:39 ◼   ► But part of it is that all I have to do is scroll.

00:16:43 ◼   ► And I'm a really good reader

00:16:46 ◼   ► and I don't have to open anything.

00:16:48 ◼   ► I just scroll and I read and there's never anything to open.

00:16:53 ◼   ► And I know that there are male clients

00:16:55 ◼   ► that are more timeline-y, you know,

00:16:58 ◼   ► but it's still like just the nature of email.

00:17:01 ◼   ► And this in hindsight sort of insane practice

00:17:06 ◼   ► of quoting entire messages and that the chains of emails

00:17:11 ◼   ► contain the previous emails,

00:17:13 ◼   ► it just makes it so much harder.

00:17:15 ◼   ► It's like you're in, you scroll the email,

00:17:17 ◼   ► then you go back and it just seems so much more

00:17:21 ◼   ► of an uphill process, you know, fighting upstream.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Whereas catching up on Twitter, it might take a while.

00:17:27 ◼   ► It might be like, wow, I am way behind,

00:17:30 ◼   ► but at least it feels like I'm swimming downstream.

00:17:33 ◼   ► - Well, you're actually, it's helpful because Twitter,

00:17:36 ◼   ► even with the expanded character limit,

00:17:38 ◼   ► Twitter is still short, right?

00:17:40 ◼   ► Like there are emails in my inbox right now

00:17:44 ◼   ► that are like seven paragraphs long.

00:17:46 ◼   ► And you can't, if you're given the choice

00:17:51 ◼   ► between reading one email that's seven paragraphs long

00:17:54 ◼   ► or finishing 20 tweets that are 140 to 240 characters long,

00:17:59 ◼   ► Like, who am I gonna improve their life

00:18:03 ◼   ► or be able to help people?

00:18:05 ◼   ► It's far more likely that I'm gonna be able

00:18:07 ◼   ► to do it on Twitter than read this email

00:18:10 ◼   ► and feel, usually emails that are that long

00:18:13 ◼   ► are like how-tos or questions or things like that.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Like, I feel for this person, but I'm also like,

00:18:19 ◼   ► the answer that you're looking for is basically an article.

00:18:23 ◼   ► Like, I can't, I wanna help you,

00:18:26 ◼   ► but instead of actually being able to help you in email,

00:18:28 ◼   ► I'm literally gonna take your question

00:18:30 ◼   ► and then I'm gonna write an article about it

00:18:31 ◼   ► 'cause that's the only way I can figure out

00:18:33 ◼   ► how to actually do it if I have the time, right?

00:18:36 ◼   ► It's just-- - I will say this.

00:18:37 ◼   ► I owe Twitter an apology, or I should write about this

00:18:41 ◼   ► on "Dare Fireball," but I'll get it off my chest here

00:18:43 ◼   ► on the show first, is that when they first switched

00:18:45 ◼   ► from 140 to 280, I was against it publicly.

00:18:49 ◼   ► I thought this was a bad idea and that the terseness

00:18:51 ◼   ► of 140 was essential to what made Twitter Twitter.

00:18:57 ◼   ► And getting your thoughts into 140 truly is an art.

00:19:02 ◼   ► And like a couple of the other people who I retweeted

00:19:06 ◼   ► as being opposed to this were unsurprisingly

00:19:08 ◼   ► well-known writers, J.K. Rowling, Stephen King.

00:19:13 ◼   ► I mean, there you go, J.K. Rowling and Stephen King.

00:19:15 ◼   ► I mean, there's probably the two most successful

00:19:18 ◼   ► and talented writers of the last, of my lifetime.

00:19:22 ◼   ► And both, you know, pretty much,

00:19:26 ◼   ► Maybe Stephen King retweeted JK Rowling, but they were in complete agreement that it's,

00:19:30 ◼   ► you know, there was a certain genius to it.

00:19:32 ◼   ► But you know what?

00:19:33 ◼   ► Not everybody is as talented as JK Rowling or Stephen King.

00:19:37 ◼   ► And I have to admit it now living with the 280 limit now for months, it hasn't wrecked

00:19:42 ◼   ► Twitter and I use it.

00:19:44 ◼   ► For weeks, I stubbornly insisted on only tweeting up to 140 characters and like doing the math,

00:19:52 ◼   ► looking at my little character counter and if it went over 140, even though I could hit post,

00:19:57 ◼   ► I would not. And then I gave up on that, realized I was being stubbornly silly. And it's good. It

00:20:03 ◼   ► is a good thing. But 280 is a really interesting limit. Boy, if everybody who sent email to me

00:20:11 ◼   ► tried to keep it under 280 characters, I'd have a lot fewer unread emails.

00:20:17 ◼   ► Yeah, well, it's just, it's a good size, right? And I'm with you, honestly, I was a little bit

00:20:22 ◼   ► skeptical of the increase in character limit at first, but I find myself using it constantly,

00:20:29 ◼   ► again, for like, for the bite size things that I don't necessarily want to write in full posts,

00:20:35 ◼   ► but it's really, it's especially during keynote time and live blogging or commenting on somebody

00:20:40 ◼   ► else's post, it just, it makes it so much easier for me to be like, getting my point across rather

00:20:45 ◼   ► than what I used to do in the 140 character limit, which is like, really cool article,

00:20:51 ◼   ► fascinating read. Like, that's not really helpful. But when I actually get to talk about the article

00:20:56 ◼   ► and be like, wow, this portrayal of AI is a really interesting, like, look into both our political

00:21:04 ◼   ► mindset and where we are right now. Like that, that actually I feel like maybe that gets more

00:21:08 ◼   ► people to read it. I don't know. I don't know. Or the other thing I run into a lot, I don't think

00:21:14 ◼   ► I get close to 280 a lot, but the thing I notice a lot is I'll think I'll have like a thing. All

00:21:20 ◼   ► right, I'm not going to post it to during fireball, but I want to tweet this link and I'll think of

00:21:23 ◼   ► something to say about it. And I'm like, whew, under 140. And then there's no room for the URL.

00:21:29 ◼   ► And it's like, geez, what am I? And then you start butchering your stuff.

00:21:34 ◼   ► Sometimes that leads to a better tweet, but most times it just leads to you taking out context,

00:21:41 ◼   ► - Right, or spelling the word especially ESP dot,

00:21:45 ◼   ► and all of a sudden it looks like you're jotting shorthand.

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00:24:37 ◼   ► All right, so here's the thing.

00:24:38 ◼   ► WWC I got to get this off my chest. There's a

00:24:40 ◼   ► Day you went around San Jose all day now you say you were busy you you must have been but there's how put this tweet

00:24:50 ◼   ► In the show note, but you really did you rode around San Jose wearing roller skates. I

00:24:55 ◼   ► Did I did second year in a row?

00:24:58 ◼   ► Do you think that works that works in San Jose in a way that it wouldn't work in San Francisco, I think Oh completely

00:25:08 ◼   ► - Completely.

00:25:09 ◼   ► For one thing, because the sidewalks and just in general,

00:25:14 ◼   ► the streets are a lot cleaner and flatter

00:25:18 ◼   ► than they are in San Francisco.

00:25:20 ◼   ► Like I think about where I used to,

00:25:23 ◼   ► I used to stay at Park 53 for many years,

00:25:27 ◼   ► going to WWDC. - Park 55.

00:25:28 ◼   ► - Five, Park 55.

00:25:30 ◼   ► I don't know where 53 came out.

00:25:32 ◼   ► Anyway, Park 55, yeah, I used to stay up there

00:25:35 ◼   ► And I just think about like the big, the giant, like brick plaza that you have to cross.

00:25:41 ◼   ► And I'm just like, no, I would die.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Like I can skate on bricks, but I, that, that does not seem like an enjoyable way to get

00:25:48 ◼   ► around that seems like torturing my feet.

00:25:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Or whatever you'd have to do to get that safely down a pretty steep hill with roller skates.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:25:59 ◼   ► I, you know, I have, I have skated in San Francisco before on roller skates and it was

00:26:03 ◼   ► was really not pleasant because at the time I didn't really even know how to stop properly

00:26:07 ◼   ► with edges. So I was constantly like rolling down the hill and then turning backwards to

00:26:11 ◼   ► try and use like a backwards toe stop while I'm like halfway propped up. Anyway, needless

00:26:16 ◼   ► to say, not a good experience. I vastly prefer San Jose.

00:26:20 ◼   ► So interesting way to get around. San Jose is interesting as a pedestrian because most

00:26:28 ◼   ► Most of it is eminently pedestrian friendly, low traffic, flat.

00:26:35 ◼   ► A lot of the streets in the area are almost no traffic.

00:26:41 ◼   ► But like the main street, the one that the convention centers on, what does that, I don't

00:26:44 ◼   ► even know what the name of it is, is it Market Street?

00:26:45 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:26:46 ◼   ► Yeah, it's either Market or Sand something.

00:26:50 ◼   ► And that corner, like past the Marriott, it's like, you know, like between the Marriott

00:26:56 ◼   ► And the building where the the California theater is is one of the worst pedestrian

00:27:01 ◼   ► Intersections I've ever seen in my entire life

00:27:05 ◼   ► So weird the lights take forever. The street is incredibly wide Apple obviously got them to shut it down

00:27:13 ◼   ► with police cars for the keynote day, right like they I mean that's they

00:27:22 ◼   ► I'm sure because it's just too dangerous to handle a crowd.

00:27:25 ◼   ► It's just a terrible, terrible intersection.

00:27:27 ◼   ► And then you combine that with the fact

00:27:29 ◼   ► that there's high-speed trains that go through the middle.

00:27:32 ◼   ► Not like trolleys, not trolleys.

00:27:35 ◼   ► Like actual trains.

00:27:37 ◼   ► And I sit there, I'm not above jaywalking on a street

00:27:42 ◼   ► that seems jaywalking friendly.

00:27:44 ◼   ► That's an East Coast thing.

00:27:45 ◼   ► But you develop a sixth sense of this is a street where,

00:27:50 ◼   ► look, if there's no cars coming,

00:27:51 ◼   ► you can just go, it doesn't matter what the light says.

00:27:54 ◼   ► Not that street, right?

00:27:55 ◼   ► - That street has too many variables.

00:27:57 ◼   ► - Right, and you're taking-- - They're the trains,

00:27:58 ◼   ► they're the turning cars, they're ugh.

00:28:01 ◼   ► - You see a bunch of obvious WWDC types,

00:28:04 ◼   ► or alt-conf for type, you know, but somebody who's here

00:28:06 ◼   ► for the WWDC overall experience,

00:28:10 ◼   ► and they're talking to each other,

00:28:11 ◼   ► and they're looking at each other,

00:28:12 ◼   ► and they're just crossing the street,

00:28:14 ◼   ► and it's like, you guys have like a 10% chance

00:28:17 ◼   ► of getting steamed by a train.

00:28:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:28:21 ◼   ► - Well, especially, you know,

00:28:23 ◼   ► and I was guilty of this a little bit,

00:28:25 ◼   ► but especially walking around,

00:28:26 ◼   ► a lot of people looking at their phones

00:28:28 ◼   ► while crossing the street. - Oh yeah.

00:28:29 ◼   ► Yeah, same or the same thing, right.

00:28:31 ◼   ► You see somebody crossing that street with the phone

00:28:33 ◼   ► and it is like, buddy, you're taking your life in your hands.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, or noise canceling headphones on.

00:28:38 ◼   ► I'm just like, no, no.

00:28:40 ◼   ► Of all the places to walk around

00:28:41 ◼   ► with noise canceling headphones,

00:28:42 ◼   ► the place with the giant train tracks

00:28:45 ◼   ► where the trains come very erratically

00:28:47 ◼   ► and don't sound very loud to begin with, no.

00:28:50 ◼   ► - Did you ride the scooters?

00:28:52 ◼   ► - I did not ride the scooters.

00:28:54 ◼   ► I was very, like, I kept on looking at them.

00:28:58 ◼   ► Like, the one day that I wasn't skating,

00:29:00 ◼   ► I was like, hmm, I could get to Soho so much faster

00:29:04 ◼   ► if I got a scooter.

00:29:06 ◼   ► And then it was just downloading the app.

00:29:08 ◼   ► - I did it a couple of times.

00:29:10 ◼   ► Not too many, but it, 'cause it,

00:29:13 ◼   ► going from my hotel to the convention center

00:29:16 ◼   ► wasn't far enough to really justify it.

00:29:18 ◼   ► And to get to the convention center,

00:29:20 ◼   ► I had to cross that market street

00:29:22 ◼   ► or whatever the hell it's called,

00:29:23 ◼   ► and it just takes all the fun out of it.

00:29:26 ◼   ► But they're pretty cool.

00:29:30 ◼   ► I've heard this story.

00:29:31 ◼   ► This is like a total thing that's happened in California

00:29:35 ◼   ► and maybe a couple other cities since last year.

00:29:38 ◼   ► Like last year, there were no scooter startups,

00:29:40 ◼   ► and now there are a couple of competing

00:29:44 ◼   ► many million dollar funded scooter startups, which sounds ridiculous. And I'd heard these stories

00:29:51 ◼   ► that these scooter startups, they have, you know, the two in San Jose at least were Lime,

00:29:57 ◼   ► L-I-M-E, like the fruit and bird. And they buy a bunch of electric scooters.

00:30:03 ◼   ► They put them all over the city. You get their app and sign up so that that's how they charge you.

00:30:10 ◼   ► And then when you want to ride one, it's sort of like in a locked state. You use their app,

00:30:15 ◼   ► you scan a QR code on the bike or the scooter that you want. And it identifies this is scooter,

00:30:21 ◼   ► you know, 1234. Okay, it's unlocked for you. You pay something like, I don't know, 35 cents a

00:30:27 ◼   ► minute or 35. I don't know, some reasonably low price, I forget how they charge. And you just get

00:30:33 ◼   ► on and go. And then when you're done, you just leave it wherever you don't have to find this is

00:30:39 ◼   ► this is the part that that seemed silly to me when I first heard the story but it is absolutely true

00:30:44 ◼   ► it's not like with the bikes you know like city bike and stuff like that which you know the u.s

00:30:49 ◼   ► has had for years where there are uh the kiosks around the city like philadelphia has them and and

00:30:56 ◼   ► you have to find one and then that's where the bike you know you put the bike in and it's like

00:31:00 ◼   ► a special bike holder that is from the company and then you put it in there and it locks up

00:31:04 ◼   ► No, with these scooters, you just abandon them wherever you want.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Just tell the app that the app, tell the app, I'm done, and it locks back up. And the city's

00:31:15 ◼   ► sidewalks are literally just riddled with random $500 electric scooters everywhere. They're

00:31:22 ◼   ► everywhere. And people, a lot of people are extremely inconsiderate about how they park

00:31:30 ◼   ► these things. Right. It is kind of... it is... they look like... it looks like the city is littered

00:31:38 ◼   ► with scooters. And so I really was set to... I mean, the whole idea of scooter is just a silly word.

00:31:43 ◼   ► And the fact that they... really, no exaggeration. They... I mean, they're just right in the middle

00:31:50 ◼   ► of the pedestrian sidewalk. It's just crazy. Somebody left one at my hotel that was in the

00:31:55 ◼   ► driveway like so like if you were driving up to get you know to like do

00:31:59 ◼   ► valet parking at the hotel you would have to like get out of your car and move the

00:32:04 ◼   ► scooter to the driveway like who thought that was a good place to leave a scooter

00:32:09 ◼   ► like it's crazy but I have to say it is incredibly cheap and they are extremely

00:32:16 ◼   ► fun to ride I mean really really fun because they go quite frankly

00:32:23 ◼   ► dangerously fast. They're really fun. So I didn't ride one in San Jose, but I

00:32:28 ◼   ► actually own an electric scooter, like an early generation electric scooter that I

00:32:34 ◼   ► got after a CES as a, you know, a mime or thing. And I have this video, if I, I think

00:32:43 ◼   ► I have it up online and I'll give it to you to put in the show notes if you really

00:32:45 ◼   ► want. But yeah, it's literally my now husband and I, I was like, well, we're in,

00:32:52 ◼   ► you know, suburban Boston area. And I'm like, there's no real way to place to ride this

00:32:57 ◼   ► effectively. So I'm like, we're just gonna ride it up and down our like slightly slanted street

00:33:00 ◼   ► and see how fast we can go, which seemed like a great idea at the time. And mostly it's just

00:33:05 ◼   ► uncontrollable screaming. We're just like, wow. Like, you just don't expect it to go that fast.

00:33:12 ◼   ► Like you're thinking, oh, it's like a, it's like, what was the original, the Razor? It's like a

00:33:18 ◼   ► a scooter with a little bit of extra no yes it has a deep motor in it like I

00:33:24 ◼   ► think mine can go up to like 20 miles an hour I'm like that's yeah that's what

00:33:28 ◼   ► these things and I believe it I really do it's it's almost hard it was almost

00:33:32 ◼   ► hard to max out the speed because it it's just hard to find that much open

00:33:36 ◼   ► space before you get to another street you know there's just not stoplight yeah

00:33:40 ◼   ► I was totally expecting something more like a razor with a bit of help you know

00:33:46 ◼   ► So that you don't have to kick so much but it's like no these things really go and it's funny to the two competing apps

00:33:52 ◼   ► Or companies, I guess lime and bird lime and bird. I forget which one is which but one of them I think lime I

00:33:59 ◼   ► But I could be getting it backwards one of them you sign up and they more or less are just like what's your email?

00:34:06 ◼   ► I

00:34:07 ◼   ► Forget even how they charged me. I don't think I didn't put a credit card in

00:34:11 ◼   ► I don't know if they're just charging through the app and paying Apple the 30%

00:34:15 ◼   ► You know, what's your email? Here's our terms and conditions say you agree

00:34:19 ◼   ► Okay

00:34:20 ◼   ► and then the other one clearly has lawyers who are more involved and it's like you've got to go through and check one by one and

00:34:26 ◼   ► It's just ridiculous. It is like I totally it's like I understand that I need to wear a helmet

00:34:32 ◼   ► It's like the first thing you have to check off

00:34:34 ◼   ► And of course nobody has a helmet right? Because if you're carrying their butts

00:34:39 ◼   ► Once you're carrying around a helmet you might as well just carry around your own scooter

00:34:43 ◼   ► You know, like the whole half the fun of it is the abandonment. I

00:34:47 ◼   ► Came up with I think the perfect analogy. It was bothering me for the first day or two

00:34:52 ◼   ► I was like this way that you just grab one when you want one. You just grab one

00:34:58 ◼   ► You don't look for a kiosk. You just find one and grab it

00:35:01 ◼   ► And and then get on it and go and then you get to where you want to go and just jump off it

00:35:07 ◼   ► It was like this reminds me of something and like Tuesday it hit me

00:35:13 ◼   ► It's Grand Theft Auto. Oh

00:35:15 ◼   ► Yeah

00:35:18 ◼   ► The whole idea in Grand Theft Auto is that whenever you need a car you just find one open the door pull whoever's in it

00:35:25 ◼   ► Out and take their car and then you go somewhere and when you get there, you don't even have to stop the car

00:35:32 ◼   ► You just kind of like do like a rolling stop roll out of the car. Let it crash into the sidewalk

00:35:38 ◼   ► And then just go about your mission. It's exactly like that

00:35:42 ◼   ► Excepting Grand Theft Auto every time you take a car you can drive it whereas with the scooters

00:35:47 ◼   ► It seems like one and three have like a dead battery. Oh, no

00:35:51 ◼   ► Well, you know the story about the battery thing too right like the roaming battery rechargers

00:35:56 ◼   ► Yeah, we saw one finally and it was just a guy in a minivan

00:36:00 ◼   ► Any the app obviously gives him a map of where the ones are he didn't have to like test him

00:36:07 ◼   ► But there's just a guy in a minivan

00:36:09 ◼   ► I presume it like the minivan wasn't labeled with bird or lime. It was just a guy

00:36:15 ◼   ► So I presume he worked for the company either that or he was stealing doesn't he doesn't so here's here's how this works

00:36:22 ◼   ► And this this blew my mind when I heard it is that the company actually does this Pokemon go style and they offer up

00:36:29 ◼   ► bounties like like

00:36:31 ◼   ► Charging bounties. I didn't know that if yeah

00:36:34 ◼   ► So if you if you want to earn a little bit of extra money like gig economy style

00:36:39 ◼   ► You can take one of the scooters plug it in and then they'll give you money based on how much you charge it and how?

00:36:45 ◼   ► Many you charge and if it's in a really weird location

00:36:48 ◼   ► They'll give you extra money to go and like retrieve it and charge it, huh? So they're like crowdsourcing the

00:36:53 ◼   ► The charge. Yeah, interesting

00:36:56 ◼   ► huh

00:36:58 ◼   ► All right, San Jose versus San Fran as the site for WWDC

00:37:03 ◼   ► I mean it was word got around last year that it was not a temporary change, you know that this was you know

00:37:08 ◼   ► And as Apple is want to be there was no official statement on it. I mean

00:37:13 ◼   ► There's actually no if you ask someone from Apple, you know, like as a member of the media on it, you know

00:37:20 ◼   ► And say is there going to be a WWDC?

00:37:23 ◼   ► 2019

00:37:25 ◼   ► You won't get a straight answer. They won't commit to it because they just can either confirm nor deny, right?

00:37:30 ◼   ► They just don't you know, they don't talk about future products

00:37:33 ◼   ► But unsurprisingly they were back at San Jose again

00:37:37 ◼   ► I think they, you know, like anytime you do something a second time, it comes out a little

00:37:42 ◼   ► bit better. I didn't see the podcast studio this year because I had to leave a day earlier.

00:37:49 ◼   ► But I heard that the podcast studio, which was really nice last year, I heard that it was

00:37:54 ◼   ► even better this year. Oh, it was so gorgeous. Again, I will send you pictures to put in the

00:38:00 ◼   ► show notes. But that was my, again, first time being in the podcast studio because I didn't have

00:38:05 ◼   ► have a badge last year. I only had sort of the keynote pass. And they've just, they've

00:38:09 ◼   ► taken over what would have been a kind of semi ordinary like back room in the convention

00:38:14 ◼   ► center. And then top to bottom, they've made like this beautiful hand cut styrofoam that

00:38:20 ◼   ► has the podcast logo in it and all kinds of fancy acoustic things that I have no doubt

00:38:25 ◼   ► that an Apple audio engineer could talk to you about four hours about why that curve

00:38:29 ◼   ► was exactly like on some Euclidean geometry scale to, you know, but it's like, it's beautiful,

00:38:35 ◼   ► it's like a nice little lounge. And then inside, they've just basically built this cave out of

00:38:40 ◼   ► Styrofoam and then put a high-top table with a bunch of like really high-quality microphones

00:38:45 ◼   ► and Beats Studio headphones, of course, with cables.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Pete: On brand.

00:38:50 ◼   ► Heather; It wasn't, yeah, exactly. They did not, they did not risk wireless connectivity,

00:38:55 ◼   ► which, you know, I guess that's fair. And it was just it was a really lovely experience. We got to

00:39:02 ◼   ► set Renee and I sat down with the folks from Agenda and talk to them right after they won the RDA.

00:39:07 ◼   ► And it's just, you know, it's probably next to like the old Macworld podcast studio. I don't know

00:39:13 ◼   ► if you ever were in there. It's like this is one of the nicest podcast studios ever been. Yeah,

00:39:18 ◼   ► like the new one when they when they redid it. It was like the Macworld studio is really nice,

00:39:21 ◼   ► but this studio was a good deal nicer. Like, it definitely felt like we were one step away from

00:39:26 ◼   ► being in a radio studio. And it also makes me wonder about Apple's own podcast facilities.

00:39:33 ◼   ► And I'm like, I don't know if Apple does podcasts internally, but they certainly have the talent to

00:39:38 ◼   ► do it. Like, it would be really cool. Yeah, I did Jim Dalrymple's show last year with Matt,

00:39:45 ◼   ► along with Matt Drance. And it was the first time I can ever remember doing a podcast that really

00:39:51 ◼   ► felt like I was in a pro studio. Because I've got some good equipment here. I've told this before,

00:40:01 ◼   ► but I just asked Marco. He said, "Just give me a shopping list to go buy." He just sent me a list

00:40:07 ◼   ► of four things, and I didn't even double check anything. I just clicked, clicked, clicked,

00:40:11 ◼   ► buy, buy, buy, add to cart, all at Amazon. Now that's what I have. So it's good equipment.

00:40:17 ◼   ► it wasn't cheap. I mean, you know, I do this every week, I can I can credibly say I'm a pro.

00:40:23 ◼   ► This is a legitimate significant part of my job. So you know, I spent, I don't know, a couple

00:40:30 ◼   ► hundred dollars. So I've got equipment, but I don't I don't podcast in an area that you would

00:40:35 ◼   ► take a photograph of and say that looks like a professional recording area. It looks apps

00:40:42 ◼   ► actually completely opposite. It looks like something that I'm in the midst of moving.

00:40:51 ◼   ► It's not sound dampened. It's not yet. I understand.

00:40:56 ◼   ► But that was really cool. There's just other things that they did that I feel like they're

00:41:01 ◼   ► really finding their, you know, Apple is finding their, you know, this is how we can make WWDC work.

00:41:08 ◼   ► It's their voice. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it though. If I worked at Apple and my

00:41:16 ◼   ► opinion counted on should we stay in San Jose or go back to San Francisco, I would vote instantly,

00:41:23 ◼   ► stay in San Jose. I think it's the right thing for WWDC. I think it's the right thing for Apple,

00:41:29 ◼   ► but I have mixed feelings about it as an attendee because I feel like the city of San Jose is only,

00:41:37 ◼   ► in terms of like the service industry is only borderline competent and possibly under the

00:41:45 ◼   ► acceptable line for competence. Well, I mean, yes, I agree with you here. But I have to like,

00:41:54 ◼   ► I'm trying to assume positive intent, right? And remember that San Jose, really, I mean,

00:41:59 ◼   ► the last five years is more, it's a city that shuts down at 6pm. In most places, right? It's

00:42:06 ◼   ► designed to be a worker's city. And then I don't know how much heads up they had about

00:42:12 ◼   ► WWDC the first year. But to say that they were unprepared for the glutton of people

00:42:19 ◼   ► coming in is calling it nicely. This year, it did feel a little bit better. I feel like

00:42:24 ◼   ► things were open maybe a smidge later. You know, restaurants were maybe a little bit

00:42:30 ◼   ► more accommodating. But overall, yeah.

00:42:34 ◼   ► All right, so the late night thing aside, right? I get it. It's, it's, it's not a late night city.

00:42:38 ◼   ► Okay. I'm talking lunch on a weekday at a reasonable time. Let's say around one o'clock,

00:42:44 ◼   ► one 30. Um, my wife, Amy and I went to for lunch with a friend of the show, Paul, Paul Cofas.

00:42:52 ◼   ► This was actually the day of my live show. Uh, we went to a cafe, uh, where we've been stressed out.

00:42:58 ◼   ► We were, we've been before and I know they have just, you know, the food is okay. And you know,

00:43:02 ◼   ► they have good coffee. And we place our order and I can't eat a lot before the show. So I just got,

00:43:12 ◼   ► I wanted to get just a bagel with cream cheese. Like we're out of bagels. Or no, I wanted an

00:43:18 ◼   ► onion bagel or everything bagel. I wanted an everything bagel with cream cheese. And they

00:43:22 ◼   ► said, we're out of everything bagels. And I said, all right, how about just a plain bagel? And then

00:43:26 ◼   ► And then they said, "We're out of bagels."

00:43:28 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:43:29 ◼   ► And I was like, "All right, you could've started with it."

00:43:31 ◼   ► - Why didn't you tell me that first?

00:43:33 ◼   ► - And then they're like, "Well, we have English muffins."

00:43:34 ◼   ► And I was like, "Fine, I'll take an English muffin."

00:43:36 ◼   ► And they're like, "Do you still want the cream cheese?"

00:43:38 ◼   ► I've never put cream cheese on an English muffin in my life,

00:43:40 ◼   ► but I thought, "Sure, that's fine."

00:43:42 ◼   ► Amy got like a panini.

00:43:46 ◼   ► I forget what Paul got, but...

00:43:49 ◼   ► And they gave us, I paid, we got our beverages,

00:43:54 ◼   ► and they have outdoor seating,

00:43:55 ◼   ► And it was a beautiful day.

00:43:56 ◼   ► So why not sit out, outdoors, right outside their door?

00:44:00 ◼   ► They gave us like a little placard

00:44:02 ◼   ► that had like a number on it, like 57, right?

00:44:06 ◼   ► Like a little tent, like a little tent

00:44:08 ◼   ► that said 57 on both sides.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Now I've been at places that give you

00:44:12 ◼   ► something like that before,

00:44:13 ◼   ► and every other place I've ever been

00:44:15 ◼   ► where you get something like that,

00:44:16 ◼   ► you take that placard, you put it on your table,

00:44:19 ◼   ► and then when your order's ready, somebody picks it up,

00:44:22 ◼   ► and then they look around for number 57,

00:44:24 ◼   ► and then they drop it, they take the food to table 57,

00:44:27 ◼   ► and then they take the little placard away.

00:44:29 ◼   ► Is that your understanding of how such a thing works?

00:44:31 ◼   ► - Yep, yeah, in theory that is how it's supposed to work.

00:44:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, at this establishment, they quote,

00:44:37 ◼   ► "Have no table service."

00:44:39 ◼   ► So like an hour after we had placed,

00:44:42 ◼   ► 45 minutes maybe after we'd placed our order,

00:44:45 ◼   ► I went back in to check and they're like,

00:44:46 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, we've been calling you from the inside."

00:44:50 ◼   ► Right, it's just sitting on a counter behind the counter.

00:44:53 ◼   ► - What? - Yeah.

00:44:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:57 ◼   ► And I said, "Well, why did you give me this placard?"

00:45:01 ◼   ► And they said, "So you'd know you were order 57."

00:45:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:45:06 ◼   ► I'm not making this up.

00:45:08 ◼   ► Amy went out. - Okay.

00:45:09 ◼   ► - Amy went out on, I think maybe it was Monday, I forget,

00:45:12 ◼   ► but I wasn't with her.

00:45:13 ◼   ► She went out for lunch and she did get table service.

00:45:18 ◼   ► I mean, she placed an order and her food came

00:45:21 ◼   ► it came an hour and 15 minutes after she ordered. I mean, it's just really, really bizarre.

00:45:30 ◼   ► And again, last year I was willing to cut some slack of we weren't ready, although

00:45:33 ◼   ► they have, you would think that with a giant convention center, there would be other large

00:45:38 ◼   ► conventions throughout the year. But you would just think, "Hey, okay, this WWDC one, we're

00:45:45 ◼   ► going to be busy. And there seems to be no awareness of that. So like just getting a

00:45:53 ◼   ► bite to eat, like for lunch when you're might be in a bit of a rush. Or maybe if you're

00:45:59 ◼   ► not even in a rush because you have somewhere to go, you're kind of want your food quickly

00:46:04 ◼   ► because you haven't eaten all day and it's already close to two, you know, and now you're

00:46:08 ◼   ► starving. Yeah, you don't get that in San Jose.

00:46:12 ◼   ► No, and I'm hopeful that maybe the lunch crowd will maybe kick it up a notch, presuming that

00:46:22 ◼   ► there is a WWDC in 2019.

00:46:24 ◼   ► But it's a problem that I feel like, I just don't know.

00:46:28 ◼   ► I feel Apple is neurotic enough to put banners all over the city and really shut down streets

00:46:37 ◼   ► and things like that.

00:46:38 ◼   ► I'm like, I would think that they would also have somebody coordinating with the restaurant

00:46:42 ◼   ► industry and being like, "Hello, you stand to make thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds

00:46:48 ◼   ► of thousands of dollars, if you staff your restaurant correctly.

00:46:52 ◼   ► Maybe we'll even put it in a list of great places to go, but you need to actually stay

00:46:57 ◼   ► open."

00:46:58 ◼   ► And I'm like, "This is what I was hoping for last year, and it didn't materialize,

00:47:02 ◼   ► so I'm just going to make the plea every year until it actually happens."

00:47:05 ◼   ► there are good restaurants in San Jose. They just don't function for 5,000 attendees.

00:47:15 ◼   ► So last thing before we get into the actual details of the announcements from last week,

00:47:19 ◼   ► just the keynote itself. They staged it very differently. I don't know. I think that they

00:47:26 ◼   ► oriented the big room differently, but it certainly was a much wider and less deep in

00:47:34 ◼   ► terms of like the last row was closer to the stage than usual. And like, especially I'm not quite

00:47:44 ◼   ► sure because again, I was only at one before, so I'm not quite sure. Well, I don't quite remember

00:47:49 ◼   ► what it was like last year, but I certainly remember the setup in Presidio as Apple called

00:47:56 ◼   ► it, the top floor of Moscone West, which was the same every year that I could remember.

00:48:01 ◼   ► but it was super deep. Right. It's a deep theater. It is not that wide. It's only like three sections

00:48:09 ◼   ► wide and very, very deep. And so like if you were in the back of Presidio, you really couldn't see

00:48:16 ◼   ► the stage. You had to rely on the projectors that they would place at certain points, like halfway

00:48:23 ◼   ► back or two-thirds back. Whereas this was super wide and they had like entirely new

00:48:28 ◼   ► screen technology. Yeah. Like it was like panavision. Oh my god. Like super super high res,

00:48:37 ◼   ► super bright, very sharp and it went edge to edge in this. Well not quite. I mean but effectively

00:48:45 ◼   ► went edge to edge in this very wide room where people on the sides who maybe couldn't see the

00:48:52 ◼   ► the speakers on stage very well.

00:48:54 ◼   ► I still had a big bright screen in front of them.

00:48:57 ◼   ► Really incredible staging.

00:48:58 ◼   ► I mean, it really was impressive.

00:49:01 ◼   ► - It was gorgeous.

00:49:01 ◼   ► And I really, I appreciated how they used,

00:49:04 ◼   ► we should say, you know, this big giant wide screen

00:49:07 ◼   ► was actually three screens that were all able

00:49:09 ◼   ► to be controlled independently.

00:49:11 ◼   ► And I really appreciate how,

00:49:13 ◼   ► appreciated how they used it, right?

00:49:14 ◼   ► They didn't just blow up and stretch everybody

00:49:17 ◼   ► or throw the same image up on all three screens.

00:49:19 ◼   ► They were really using the width,

00:49:22 ◼   ► Which watching the keynote, I don't know if you've gone back

00:49:24 ◼   ► and actually watched Apple's recording of it.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - No, I haven't. - But it's a little weird

00:49:27 ◼   ► because the recording focuses mostly on the center panel

00:49:32 ◼   ► on the person on stage.

00:49:33 ◼   ► And in some ways, like the people who are watching

00:49:36 ◼   ► the recording from home really didn't get how cool

00:49:38 ◼   ► the staging and the setup was.

00:49:40 ◼   ► 'Cause you only see it like occasionally on the side.

00:49:43 ◼   ► I was rewatching like the Apple Books presentation.

00:49:47 ◼   ► And they're like, and we call it Apple Books.

00:49:49 ◼   ► And I was waiting for the Apple Books to appear

00:49:51 ◼   ► above the speaker's head. And I was like, Where is it? And then

00:49:54 ◼   ► they cut to a different angle. And it was over on one of the

00:49:56 ◼   ► right hand panels, right? And this like, big, beautiful font.

00:49:59 ◼   ► And I'm like, Oh, okay, that makes sense. Well, the one on

00:50:02 ◼   ► the far on the right and the one on the left are the same. Right?

00:50:05 ◼   ► Yes. And so if you're in the middle, you could choose whether

00:50:07 ◼   ► you want to look to the right or look to the left. But if you

00:50:09 ◼   ► were on the right or left, you'd see the one right in front of

00:50:11 ◼   ► you, the right one and the center one, but you're right. It

00:50:14 ◼   ► was almost like a two screen experience. I can the only real

00:50:17 ◼   ► way to replicate it at home would be some kind of

00:50:19 ◼   ► synchronized playback where you're like watching the main thing on your TV and have like an iPad

00:50:25 ◼   ► next to you synchronized playing the secondary screen. And like you said, like being like

00:50:31 ◼   ► Panavision or something, it was this incredible aspect ratio, like super. I don't know what the

00:50:36 ◼   ► actual aspect ratio is. I'd love to know, but it was at least like it seemingly like three to one.

00:50:41 ◼   ► I mean, like get your measure app out. And I asked and so like among little things like they

00:50:47 ◼   ► obviously we're planning that all along. But so for like the opening video, where like a whole

00:50:51 ◼   ► bunch of like, well known developer types streaming, yeah, like the in there, you know,

00:50:58 ◼   ► parodying, parodying a David Attenborough video, there's some debate over whether the narrator

00:51:06 ◼   ► actually was David Attenborough or not. And I never, I never got to ask anybody. And I wasn't

00:51:12 ◼   ► impression that it might have been

00:51:14 ◼   ► But I don't know it was either Attenborough or Stephen Fry. All right was the was what I was getting off Twitter

00:51:19 ◼   ► Yeah, I should have asked somebody

00:51:21 ◼   ► if only I

00:51:23 ◼   ► Connections

00:51:26 ◼   ► And it spent time backstage with Greg Jaws react for 45 minutes

00:51:31 ◼   ► But it's really incredible hearing about it did you see you did you see the section where the middle screen went out

00:51:41 ◼   ► No, I don't remember that so during the section and I

00:51:48 ◼   ► don't have my notes in for me so I will not remember her name but there was a

00:51:52 ◼   ► blonde woman who was demoing the memo G memo G what's it called me emoji right

00:51:58 ◼   ► during her memo G demo the middle screen flickered it like glitched twice and

00:52:05 ◼   ► And then on like the third glitch, it went out.

00:52:08 ◼   ► It was out black.

00:52:10 ◼   ► I don't know if she knew that

00:52:12 ◼   ► because she wasn't facing the screen,

00:52:14 ◼   ► but it was clearly out.

00:52:17 ◼   ► And the only things you could see were on the sides.

00:52:20 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, this is gonna be exciting.

00:52:23 ◼   ► 'Cause there was clearly a lot of keynote to go.

00:52:25 ◼   ► And the middle screen went out.

00:52:27 ◼   ► What I've heard is that the backstage technologists

00:52:34 ◼   ► who were there to—the red alert team that something's gone wrong to fix this, that

00:52:45 ◼   ► within 90 seconds of it going on the fritz—and the whole middle screen went out—they diagnosed

00:52:50 ◼   ► it as a bad fiber optic cable, identified exactly which cable it was, and swapped it

00:52:57 ◼   ► out with a replacement cable in 90 seconds. And it was back on fully operational by the

00:53:02 ◼   ► time her Memoji demo was over.

00:53:04 ◼   ► Wow. That's a that's what I call like it sometimes I know that

00:53:09 ◼   ► it's technically not televised, so it can't be eligible for the

00:53:12 ◼   ► Emmys. But like, those kinds of crews, I feel like deserve

00:53:15 ◼   ► special technical awards for just making all that stuff

00:53:18 ◼   ► happen behind the scenes and happen so quickly.

00:53:20 ◼   ► It's I from what I understand, it could not possibly have been

00:53:24 ◼   ► diagnosed and fixed in less time. Like it was really like

00:53:29 ◼   ► equivalent of like a you know like a indie car racing where you come in for a pit stop and it's

00:53:34 ◼   ► like you cannot change the tires on a car any faster than that and it really would have been

00:53:40 ◼   ► an awkward moment see like you didn't even notice like it just sort of i think the way it came

00:53:45 ◼   ► across if you didn't see the glitch part and and it was just sort of like just imagine in any sci-fi

00:53:53 ◼   ► movie where like the the cheesy sci-fi movie where the bad guy takes over the

00:54:00 ◼   ► city's television and before he before he comes on screen there's some kind of

00:54:06 ◼   ► like a little sizzle of pixels you know just like a quick glitch and then you

00:54:13 ◼   ► get the deep you know voice of Jeffrey Rush or whomever big like yeah I have

00:54:18 ◼   ► control now. So the other thing I heard was that the way that those that those

00:54:24 ◼   ► screens worked was they were made up of individual component displays that were

00:54:30 ◼   ► relatively small let's say roughly the size of like an iPad so it was each like

00:54:36 ◼   ► imagine how many iPad displays you would need to cover all of that yeah yeah so

00:54:43 ◼   ► And to get it all working behind the scenes there, they had 22 miles of Ethernet cable.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Miles?

00:54:52 ◼   ► Miles.

00:54:52 ◼   ► Of course.

00:54:54 ◼   ► 22 miles.

00:54:55 ◼   ► Of course, miles.

00:54:56 ◼   ► 22 miles of Ethernet cable.

00:54:58 ◼   ► And it looked like it.

00:55:00 ◼   ► I mean, that seems mind-boggling, but it really was worth it.

00:55:04 ◼   ► It was really impressive display technology.

00:55:08 ◼   ► I kind of wanted to, like after the keynote, storm the stage and like get my face like

00:55:14 ◼   ► six inches away from it to just see what it looks like up close. Like, it really seemed

00:55:19 ◼   ► impossible. Really, it was a very impressive part of the keynote.

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00:57:59 ◼   ► - I think you mentioned that the last time you were on.

00:58:01 ◼   ► - Oh, did I really?

00:58:02 ◼   ► I think you did. I think you did. And you were happy with it?

00:58:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I really was. I didn't keep the subscription up after the finish just because I,

00:58:12 ◼   ► you know, the wedding was over. But I kind of, I do want to, I kept the domain name and I kind of

00:58:17 ◼   ► do want to like, do a retrospective and be like, this is what happened. Here are all the crazy

00:58:22 ◼   ► photos. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. And if I am, I apologize. But I think that the last

00:58:27 ◼   ► time you were on, or at least the last time you were on that we talked about it, you were

00:58:30 ◼   ► on the cusp of getting married and now you're married. Yeah, I think that's right because I

00:58:34 ◼   ► think it was right before. Well, congratulations. Thank you very much.

00:58:37 ◼   ► All right. I guess we could just go in Apple's order. I want to see what we can mow through

00:58:45 ◼   ► in the next hour or so. Oh boy. Announcements, right? What's new? iOS 12.

00:58:50 ◼   ► Well, did you hear that it's faster? So I have it. I don't have it on my main phone. I have it on

00:58:59 ◼   ► my year old iPhone 7.

00:59:02 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:59:03 ◼   ► - 'Cause I, and again, we were talking earlier in the show

00:59:06 ◼   ► about installing the WWDC beta on phones.

00:59:09 ◼   ► Summer is just not the time for me to have a phone

00:59:14 ◼   ► that I can't depend on.

00:59:15 ◼   ► Like if anything, it's like the worst time

00:59:17 ◼   ► because it's the most often traveling

00:59:20 ◼   ► and doing, it's like my only connection to the world.

00:59:23 ◼   ► But I inevitably end up hearing that like beta three

00:59:28 ◼   ► is really stable and switch to the betas at some point.

00:59:31 ◼   ► But I'm really resistant this year

00:59:33 ◼   ► because I really feel like iOS 11 didn't really

00:59:37 ◼   ► hit its stride until 11.4, and it came out a week before WWDC.

00:59:42 ◼   ► I think 11.4 is one of the best releases of iOS ever.

00:59:47 ◼   ► It is--

00:59:48 ◼   ► It was very solid.

00:59:49 ◼   ► It's super solid.

00:59:50 ◼   ► It delivers all this stuff that is sort of like a file it

00:59:54 ◼   ► under finally, like iMessage in the cloud, and stuff like that.

00:59:58 ◼   ► Airplay 2.

00:59:59 ◼   ► Airplay 2.

01:00:01 ◼   ► All of this stuff.

01:00:02 ◼   ► And it's like, it just seems criminal to have one week with the perfect version of iOS and

01:00:07 ◼   ► then switch to a, immediately switch to a beta with a bunch of broken stuff.

01:00:12 ◼   ► But I have it on the iPhone 7 and it's, it seems really nice.

01:00:18 ◼   ► It certainly doesn't seem slow.

01:00:20 ◼   ► I mean it really, you know, I don't think that that was any, I don't think that was

01:00:24 ◼   ► bullshit.

01:00:25 ◼   ► No.

01:00:26 ◼   ► No, I think they did a lot of work under the hood.

01:00:29 ◼   ► And unlike you, I threw caution to the wind

01:00:32 ◼   ► and I put it on the iPhone 10 because--

01:00:33 ◼   ► - Did you do it while you were at WWDC?

01:00:36 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I did.

01:00:37 ◼   ► I absolutely did.

01:00:37 ◼   ► - All right, let me ask you, how did you do that?

01:00:41 ◼   ► - How did I install it?

01:00:42 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:00:43 ◼   ► - On Monday, I put all my electronics at my hotel

01:00:48 ◼   ► and while I was eating lunch, I went and installed it.

01:00:51 ◼   ► - So you did it over the wifi at the hotel?

01:00:53 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:00:54 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:00:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I did it over the Wi Fi hotel. And I did it. What at a

01:00:58 ◼   ► point when I knew people weren't going to be at the hotel. I

01:01:01 ◼   ► think that was the trick, right? You can't do it in the evenings.

01:01:03 ◼   ► And you can't do it in the mornings. And you can't do it at

01:01:06 ◼   ► WWDC. Right? Well, I did do it at WWDC. But for those of you who

01:01:10 ◼   ► are wondering, why is john confused about how to install an

01:01:13 ◼   ► iOS beta? It's because the only place I didn't even stress test

01:01:18 ◼   ► my hotels Wi Fi. So maybe I should have and maybe, you know,

01:01:21 ◼   ► I just assumed that hotel Wi Fi was unusable. Was garbage. Yeah,

01:01:24 ◼   ► gigabyte download. But for years now, a couple of years ago, Apple switched to a really nice

01:01:32 ◼   ► way of getting betas on iOS devices where you don't really download the whole OS. What

01:01:37 ◼   ► you do is you log into your developer account at the developer.apple.com website. And what

01:01:43 ◼   ► you download is a provisioning profile. It's just a profile probably measured in kilobytes,

01:01:49 ◼   ► even megabytes, just kilobytes. And then you approve it with your device passcode. And

01:01:55 ◼   ► then while you have that profile installed, your phone will look for software updates

01:01:59 ◼   ► from the beta servers, not just the main servers. And then you download, it's just like a regular

01:02:03 ◼   ► over the air software update. And I, you know, it's not like I forgot how to use iTunes to

01:02:10 ◼   ► download an image to my Mac and then the trick with option and you click one of the buttons

01:02:16 ◼   ► and iTunes to do like a wipe and restore and the other option is to do an upgrade. And

01:02:21 ◼   ► when you hold down the option key, you can pick the IPSW file from the file system. I

01:02:27 ◼   ► vaguely remembered it, but I hadn't done it in so long. And the the catch is Apple has

01:02:33 ◼   ► terrific Wi Fi throughout the convention center, just really world class Wi Fi, but they don't

01:02:39 ◼   ► let you download the over the air software updates over the Wi Fi and for with the good

01:02:45 ◼   ► reason that they're worried that that would saturate the Wi-Fi and it wouldn't be good

01:02:49 ◼   ► Wi-Fi anymore. So you have to use Ethernet. And they do have kiosks with Ethernet located

01:02:57 ◼   ► throughout the convention center.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Yeah, but that's a pain to try and hook up to an iOS device.

01:03:03 ◼   ► I don't know his name. I don't think he knew who I was, but he was very, very kind. I thought

01:03:07 ◼   ► I was up Schitt's Creek without a paddle because I have a 2014 MacBook Pro, which I've

01:03:14 ◼   ► smugly been bragging about because my keyboard works with 100% success. Here I am, I'm sprinkling

01:03:23 ◼   ► sand over my keyboard right now. Guess what? It still works.

01:03:29 ◼   ► Just to be a smug bastard.

01:03:32 ◼   ► But their kiosks had regular Ethernet plugs and USB-C plugs.

01:03:43 ◼   ► And I don't have USB-C, and I don't have a regular Ethernet plug.

01:03:48 ◼   ► And I used to, for years, carry the old-school USB-to-Ethernet adapter, which Mac users have

01:04:00 ◼   ► needed for years.

01:04:01 ◼   ► I couldn't find it in my backpack. I don't know where it is. At some point I lost it

01:04:05 ◼   ► and I thought I was screwed. A friend happened to walk by and I said, "Hey, you don't happen

01:04:12 ◼   ► to have an adapter, do you?" And he said, "No." But somebody listened and it ends up

01:04:19 ◼   ► – it's sort of my laziness/not so great eyesight anymore. One of the plugs that I

01:04:25 ◼   ► thought was USB-C at the kiosk was the Thunderbolt 2 plug, which I do have.

01:04:31 ◼   ► Which you have.

01:04:32 ◼   ► Right. And so I did that and did install it on the thing at the kiosk.

01:04:38 ◼   ► Got your beta the old fashioned way.

01:04:40 ◼   ► Yeah. I was seriously thinking like, should I like set up my other phone as a tethering thing and just do it over Wi-Fi and tethering?

01:04:50 ◼   ► Yeah, well, thankfully, you didn't have to do it that way. But no, I did the over the air update from my hotel. And I did it on my 10 specifically, because I had my eight plus with me as well. And I was just like, well, I have my eight plus and I have a SIM removal tool. So if I completely bork my 10, then at least I still have a perfectly functioning phone on iOS 11.4.

01:05:13 ◼   ► But I am a creature of enjoyable niche features,

01:05:18 ◼   ► and Memoji was just weird enough that I was like,

01:05:22 ◼   ► "Well, yes, of course I wanna try this,"

01:05:24 ◼   ► and Group FaceTime and all of that.

01:05:26 ◼   ► These are iPhone 10-only features,

01:05:30 ◼   ► and if I install the beta on a different phone,

01:05:33 ◼   ► then it just means that I'm gonna have to install it

01:05:35 ◼   ► on my iPhone 10 sooner or later

01:05:36 ◼   ► if I wanna test these features.

01:05:38 ◼   ► So why not just install it now, get it over with,

01:05:40 ◼   ► and then have the other phone as my safe phone

01:05:43 ◼   ► and not panic about it.

01:05:45 ◼   ► And I haven't regretted it.

01:05:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it's really hard to test on an iPhone 7 for me.

01:05:52 ◼   ► Like my pattern in recent years has always been

01:05:56 ◼   ► install the first beta on my one-year-old iPhone,

01:06:00 ◼   ► the most recent one that's not my main one.

01:06:02 ◼   ► And as soon as I verify that it seems good enough,

01:06:05 ◼   ► pop my SIM into there and then use it,

01:06:08 ◼   ► use that as my main phone.

01:06:09 ◼   ► and then if anything really goes wrong,

01:06:11 ◼   ► I can just go back to my newer phone.

01:06:13 ◼   ► And I can't bring myself to do it with this

01:06:18 ◼   ► because I've, and I'm not surprised by this,

01:06:20 ◼   ► but I'm so spoiled by the iPhone X and Face ID.

01:06:24 ◼   ► - The gestures, yeah.

01:06:26 ◼   ► - The gesture, it's all driving me nuts.

01:06:28 ◼   ► Like as much as when I first got the iPhone X,

01:06:32 ◼   ► it was kind of hard to adjust to the gestures

01:06:34 ◼   ► and not having a home button to click,

01:06:36 ◼   ► et cetera, et cetera, going backwards.

01:06:38 ◼   ► And it's just to me, it just verifies how successful

01:06:41 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 design is.

01:06:43 ◼   ► It is just maddening.

01:06:45 ◼   ► I had completely forgotten about this.

01:06:47 ◼   ► So on the iPhone 10, let's say you send me an iMessage

01:06:51 ◼   ► and I look at my lock screen

01:06:53 ◼   ► and there's the little notification.

01:06:54 ◼   ► And it'll tell me once I look at the phone,

01:06:58 ◼   ► it opens it up and tells me what the message says.

01:07:03 ◼   ► And then I can just tap the message to go to messages

01:07:06 ◼   ► and I'm in there.

01:07:07 ◼   ► can't do that with the iPhone 7. You have to unlock the phone. You've got to like go

01:07:11 ◼   ► to the home button, but then you can't tap a particular message to jump to that message.

01:07:19 ◼   ► It's impossible to go back. I can use it to just poke around and examine the features,

01:07:24 ◼   ► but it is so maddening. But I want some of these features. Just before this show started,

01:07:34 ◼   ► I posted something about Swift and some you know

01:07:37 ◼   ► Just some sort of pushback on Swift as the be all end all language for all uses and and a very smart friend of mine

01:07:44 ◼   ► Sent me a series of about five or six

01:07:46 ◼   ► I messages and I love that they show up in a single stack on the lock screen on this phone

01:07:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I love it

01:07:55 ◼   ► But I the fact that I can't just press hard on them to jump to the thread messages

01:08:00 ◼   ► It makes this phone feel like it's broken

01:08:03 ◼   ► Well, you clearly have only one choice, and that's to install the beta on your iPhone

01:08:08 ◼   ► 10.

01:08:09 ◼   ► Please don't.

01:08:11 ◼   ► People who are listening, I'm like, "Please don't do that.

01:08:13 ◼   ► We're crazy people."

01:08:14 ◼   ► You should wait for the public beta, at least.

01:08:17 ◼   ► All right, so features.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Memoji.

01:08:20 ◼   ► How do you like the Memoji?

01:08:22 ◼   ► I really like – all right, so here's the thing.

01:08:24 ◼   ► Memoji, I'm like, "All right, this is a gimmick."

01:08:26 ◼   ► Animoji I thought were really cute, and then I never used them just because I was just

01:08:30 ◼   ► like, "All right, whatever."

01:08:31 ◼   ► They're fun, but I don't usually record videos with sound

01:08:34 ◼   ► if I'm gonna record videos at all.

01:08:36 ◼   ► But there's something about creating virtual avatars

01:08:40 ◼   ► to yourself, especially when they're cute.

01:08:43 ◼   ► Like the Memoji are, what I really appreciate

01:08:46 ◼   ► about what Apple's done for this is it's not just like,

01:08:48 ◼   ► it's not the iOS 11 Notes app with its like five colors

01:08:53 ◼   ► in the color picker, right?

01:08:54 ◼   ► Like the Memoji are deeply customizable

01:08:58 ◼   ► and to an almost shocking extent.

01:08:59 ◼   ► and they show up, you know, you create one,

01:09:01 ◼   ► and it's gender neutral to start.

01:09:03 ◼   ► So you can choose whatever hair you want,

01:09:06 ◼   ► you can make like purple skin if you wanna just

01:09:08 ◼   ► make an alien or make something crazy.

01:09:11 ◼   ► And the hair, like this is the thing that got me,

01:09:13 ◼   ► is that most of it is just like, it's a fun,

01:09:16 ◼   ► you know, it's a fun advancement of their Animoji tech,

01:09:18 ◼   ► where it's just using the RIR sensor

01:09:20 ◼   ► and the whole Face ID front camera

01:09:22 ◼   ► to do some really cool stuff.

01:09:24 ◼   ► But they have made such gigantic improvements

01:09:27 ◼   ► and the physics engine that they're using for rendering.

01:09:30 ◼   ► Like the hair is the thing that freaks me out the most.

01:09:33 ◼   ► And I posted like, I did just like a cute little

01:09:37 ◼   ► karaoke video right after I got back from WWDC,

01:09:41 ◼   ► where I was literally spinning the phone around

01:09:43 ◼   ► while like trying to lip sync to the closing song

01:09:46 ◼   ► from Black Panther, which is like a Kendrick Lamar song.

01:09:50 ◼   ► And I'm like, I'm literally spinning the phone

01:09:52 ◼   ► and there's no artifacts, there's no lag,

01:09:55 ◼   ► There's no thing.

01:09:57 ◼   ► The only thing that you notice is the fact that as I'm spinning and bobbing my head,

01:10:01 ◼   ► you can see the shoulder length hair flowing and bobbing and moving with the physics of

01:10:07 ◼   ► not just the phone, but me.

01:10:09 ◼   ► And it was a complete trip.

01:10:14 ◼   ► And the more I keep on, you can make a whole bunch of these and it's really easy to duplicate

01:10:18 ◼   ► them and add features and sunglasses and nonsense like that.

01:10:23 ◼   ► And they're just, it reminds me of when I first got my Nintendo Wii and like I started

01:10:28 ◼   ► just making tons of Miis, which obviously this will get, you know, compared to.

01:10:33 ◼   ► But it's like that.

01:10:34 ◼   ► It's like maybe you don't have just as much customization, like Apple has wisely steered

01:10:38 ◼   ► away from the like, "Adjust your eyes, one centimeter up or down."

01:10:42 ◼   ► It's just kind of like, here are our default selections that you can play with.

01:10:47 ◼   ► But it, I don't know.

01:10:48 ◼   ► It's just, it's really enjoyable.

01:10:50 ◼   ► I spent a good two hours messing around with Memoji,

01:10:53 ◼   ► and I find that I'm actually sending them to people.

01:10:56 ◼   ► And maybe I'm sending them to people

01:10:58 ◼   ► 'cause it's a new feature and it's whatever,

01:11:00 ◼   ► but especially tying it in with the camera on iMessage,

01:11:05 ◼   ► and then also tying it in with group FaceTime,

01:11:08 ◼   ► which is also kind of a trip.

01:11:10 ◼   ► I don't know, I feel like there are some actual use cases

01:11:13 ◼   ► for this just beyond a fun gimmick,

01:11:17 ◼   ► but like a actual, yeah, let's play around with this.

01:11:20 ◼   ► - I saw something the other day on Twitter

01:11:22 ◼   ► that really impressed me was,

01:11:25 ◼   ► and I don't know who this was,

01:11:26 ◼   ► it was like I saw somebody retweeted the person who did it,

01:11:28 ◼   ► but it was really good that they were just like,

01:11:30 ◼   ► got bored and decided to make a Harry Potter memoji.

01:11:34 ◼   ► - Oh. - And they just posted

01:11:36 ◼   ► a whole bunch, but it's like,

01:11:37 ◼   ► even if they hadn't told me who it was,

01:11:38 ◼   ► I would have instantly known, you know?

01:11:40 ◼   ► - Of course. - It was like, oh,

01:11:42 ◼   ► but it was so, you know, like to me,

01:11:44 ◼   ► that's pretty telling that it's expressive enough

01:11:46 ◼   ► you could like look at this image and be like, you know, like, if you're playing the Memoji version

01:11:51 ◼   ► of Pictionary, you'd be like Harry Potter. The Louis Mantilla made a version of the Pixar

01:11:59 ◼   ► Inside Out poster with Memojis as the Inside Out characters. And that was great, too. It's just,

01:12:06 ◼   ► they really do. There's so there's a ton of options. Now, they're not as many as there should

01:12:10 ◼   ► be. Like there are no AirPods option. There are a whole bunch of earrings option, but there are

01:12:14 ◼   ► that there are no AirPods, and I'm like,

01:12:15 ◼   ► that's an odd choice.

01:12:16 ◼   ► And they're, you know, I know Darumple is complaining

01:12:21 ◼   ► about the fact that there's no beard that's longer

01:12:23 ◼   ► than like half an inch.

01:12:26 ◼   ► So there's still some things that probably need

01:12:28 ◼   ► to be worked out.

01:12:29 ◼   ► The beards in general are kind of just like lumps

01:12:31 ◼   ► on the face, they don't have the same hair mechanics.

01:12:34 ◼   ► And because the Memoji, like in a vacuum,

01:12:37 ◼   ► having them be floating heads is not a bad thing.

01:12:41 ◼   ► But when you apply them to group FaceTime chats

01:12:43 ◼   ► or photos, that's when they get a little bit weird,

01:12:47 ◼   ► especially if you have long hair on a Momoji,

01:12:49 ◼   ► because the long hair hangs down where the neck should be.

01:12:53 ◼   ► So that when you put it on an actual, like an AR kind of body,

01:12:57 ◼   ► where it's like your body but the Momoji's head,

01:13:00 ◼   ► with short hair it looks fine.

01:13:01 ◼   ► But with the shoulder length hair, it's like, oh,

01:13:04 ◼   ► my neck is gone.

01:13:05 ◼   ► My shoulders are gone.

01:13:06 ◼   ► It just looks like a random floating head.

01:13:08 ◼   ► It's taken it like the Haunted Mansion ride,

01:13:12 ◼   ► where the ghost gets overlaid at the end.

01:13:14 ◼   ► It kind of looks like that, where you're like,

01:13:15 ◼   ► that's weird.

01:13:17 ◼   ► So I'm hoping there's still some things to tweak with it.

01:13:20 ◼   ► But it's gonna sell a lot of iPhone 10s.

01:13:23 ◼   ► There's no question about that.

01:13:25 ◼   ► This is the feature to sell the iPhone 10 in the fall

01:13:28 ◼   ► when they come out with the iPhone 10 too or whatever.

01:13:31 ◼   ► - Right.

01:13:32 ◼   ► To get people to upgrade to a, what's it called?

01:13:40 ◼   ► a notch, a notch, a notch phone, a notch phone, something with the front facing camera array.

01:13:47 ◼   ► Yeah, death sensor face detection, blah, blah, blah. No, it seems it seems really, you know,

01:13:53 ◼   ► it is gimmicky. But that doesn't mean it's bad. It might be a good gimmick that people actually use.

01:13:58 ◼   ► And it's proof of concept of the tech, the technology. Yeah, like it's they don't overtly

01:14:04 ◼   ► say that like, there's a our kit at work. But clearly there's a our kit at work. Like there

01:14:08 ◼   ► is face detection, there's eye detection, like there's a lot of stuff that's going on here.

01:14:14 ◼   ► And granted, the front-facing camera is very advanced, but I mean, I've said this from the

01:14:18 ◼   ► beginning, like the FaceTime front-facing camera to me, yeah, it enables Face ID, but what's really

01:14:25 ◼   ► interesting about that technology is when it comes to the back camera, not only how it's going to

01:14:29 ◼   ► improve photos, but how it's going to improve AR and IR kit. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, it's sort of

01:14:38 ◼   ► jumping away to big picture, but I really do think that where Apple is going with this,

01:14:45 ◼   ► I've said this before, but maybe not in a while. But basically, where are they going? They're going

01:14:52 ◼   ► in a direction where your phone knows where you are and where you're going. Like in the way that,

01:15:00 ◼   ► "Okay, I know Center City, Philadelphia pretty well.

01:15:05 ◼   ► "And so if you put a bag over my head,

01:15:10 ◼   ► "like the equivalent of putting me in your purse,

01:15:13 ◼   ► "or if I were an iPhone,

01:15:15 ◼   ► "putting me in your purse or your pocket,

01:15:17 ◼   ► "and then take me out, right?

01:15:20 ◼   ► "It wouldn't take me long to figure out where we are.

01:15:25 ◼   ► "Oh, I know that store.

01:15:27 ◼   ► "I know that Wawa.

01:15:28 ◼   ► okay, we're at, you know, we're broad and chestnut. You know, oh, there's City Hall. Okay,

01:15:40 ◼   ► I got it. I know where we are. We're on Market Street. It wouldn't take me long. And the phone

01:15:46 ◼   ► should be able, you know, you soon enough, meaning within a handful of years, should be able to do

01:15:52 ◼   ► all of that with a combination of GPS and camera and depth sensing. You know, it, it

01:16:03 ◼   ► just doesn't see it just seems like that's, that's where it's all heading. And, you know,

01:16:09 ◼   ► that your photos will be tagged, and it won't just know where you were based on GPS, but

01:16:14 ◼   ► it'll know exactly which way you were oriented.

01:16:16 ◼   ► Mmm. That's interesting. I didn't even think about that.

01:16:19 ◼   ► Right? It's inevitable.

01:16:20 ◼   ► The additional, like, the compass. Yeah.

01:16:21 ◼   ► Right.

01:16:22 ◼   ► Well, and I think what's really interesting, instead of the—in terms of, like, going

01:16:25 ◼   ► back to the iOS—

01:16:26 ◼   ► Well, no, no. Think about this. Not just the compass, but once it analyzes the actual picture,

01:16:30 ◼   ► right? And if you're in a—

01:16:31 ◼   ► Oh.

01:16:32 ◼   ► Right? So if you're in a park and you're taking a picture of a friend or a selfie,

01:16:37 ◼   ► and it's mostly a view and it's mostly, like, green trees and grass, but there's

01:16:41 ◼   ► statue or a fountain in the background like in the way that if I knew the park

01:16:46 ◼   ► you were in you know you know exactly which way you returned right I would

01:16:50 ◼   ► know where if I'm familiar with the park but the phone should be able to be

01:16:53 ◼   ► familiar with everything everywhere collectively mm-hmm you know well in

01:16:58 ◼   ► pulling it back to iOS 12 for a second I think it's really interesting you know

01:17:02 ◼   ► Apple's been building it's sort of underlying proactive technology since

01:17:06 ◼   ► iOS 9 where it's like yeah your apps will kind of know like when when you're

01:17:10 ◼   ► in the morning, it'll suggest certain apps to you.

01:17:13 ◼   ► And they've gone away from that,

01:17:15 ◼   ► or they went away from that a little bit with iOS 11,

01:17:17 ◼   ► but with iOS 12, they're bringing it back in a big way

01:17:20 ◼   ► with shortcuts and Siri suggestions and all of this,

01:17:22 ◼   ► this, you know, proactive, continuity type stuff.

01:17:26 ◼   ► But what I think is really interesting about it,

01:17:29 ◼   ► 'cause it's not like the features themselves

01:17:31 ◼   ► are not dissimilar to what Google is doing

01:17:34 ◼   ► on their technology, but the way that Apple's executing it

01:17:37 ◼   ► is the stuff that makes me really excited.

01:17:39 ◼   ► The fact that people were seeing on the beta

01:17:43 ◼   ► a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode,

01:17:46 ◼   ► being like, oh, your lunch with Kathy sounds important.

01:17:49 ◼   ► And lunch with Kathy was not on a calendar invite,

01:17:51 ◼   ► it was in iMessages, and people were like,

01:17:53 ◼   ► whoa, what's going on there?

01:17:55 ◼   ► And doing some digging into it and realizing,

01:17:58 ◼   ► this is entirely done locally, this is the phone,

01:18:01 ◼   ► this is the secure enclave, being like,

01:18:03 ◼   ► well, you've allowed me access locally to your things,

01:18:07 ◼   ► So I'm going to locally look at your iMessage

01:18:10 ◼   ► and locally look at your calendars

01:18:11 ◼   ► and locally look at what direction you are in a park

01:18:13 ◼   ► and then give you suggestions based on that.

01:18:16 ◼   ► And those suggestions aren't necessarily synced

01:18:18 ◼   ► through iCloud or anything like that.

01:18:19 ◼   ► They never go up to the cloud.

01:18:21 ◼   ► So Apple has found a way to like,

01:18:23 ◼   ► it still seems dirty to be like,

01:18:26 ◼   ► rummage through your messages.

01:18:27 ◼   ► But Apple's found a way to like scan your information

01:18:31 ◼   ► in a way that never violates your security

01:18:33 ◼   ► because it's being done locally on the phone

01:18:36 ◼   ► that they can't have access to unless you physically,

01:18:38 ◼   ► you know, hand it over and unlock it.

01:18:41 ◼   ► And that's a really like,

01:18:43 ◼   ► because I think the potential of, you know,

01:18:45 ◼   ► having a phone that you can go into a park

01:18:47 ◼   ► and it knows where you're oriented

01:18:48 ◼   ► and maybe you press an AR button

01:18:50 ◼   ► and instantly you can turn around

01:18:51 ◼   ► and see the rest of the park, right?

01:18:53 ◼   ► You can see what it would have looked like on that day.

01:18:56 ◼   ► Like there are a ton of possibilities here,

01:18:59 ◼   ► but it always comes with the caveat

01:19:00 ◼   ► of personal privacy and security, right?

01:19:03 ◼   ► Like, how far can we go before we just give over all of our rights to unnamed third company,

01:19:08 ◼   ► third-party company?

01:19:10 ◼   ► And I really appreciate the way that Apple has been doing this slowly and smartly to

01:19:14 ◼   ► the point where, like, their chips are fast enough to process all this locally.

01:19:18 ◼   ► So you don't have to stress out about, you know, about your messages having to ping up

01:19:24 ◼   ► to a server so you can get a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode at lunch.

01:19:28 ◼   ► It's just the phone knows.

01:19:29 ◼   ► The phone tells you.

01:19:30 ◼   ► I wonder how much I wonder how that's gonna play in the mid mass market though because

01:19:37 ◼   ► You know and I think it's one reason

01:19:40 ◼   ► of several why Apple has been publicly hammering home the

01:19:45 ◼   ► We value your privacy and we don't want your data

01:19:49 ◼   ► You know, I don't want to be we don't want we don't it's not just that we don't want to look at it

01:19:54 ◼   ► We don't even want to have it so that we can't look at it and they've been saying it for years

01:19:59 ◼   ► I think they mean it and you know, it's not like Apple isn't a little-known brand

01:20:05 ◼   ► But I wonder though how it'll play when something like that happens how an event that's not on your calendar only in a message

01:20:13 ◼   ► but a separate component of the OS is

01:20:16 ◼   ► You know prompting you to you know, do you want to turn off turn do not disturb on for the next hour?

01:20:22 ◼   ► Because you've got lunch, you know

01:20:24 ◼   ► Will it freak people out or?

01:20:26 ◼   ► or will it only surprise them the first two times

01:20:28 ◼   ► and then they'll get used to it and accept it?

01:20:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I think there'll be a momentary,

01:20:33 ◼   ► I mean, we already kind of saw it on Twitter last week,

01:20:35 ◼   ► there'll be a momentary like,

01:20:36 ◼   ► oh my God, how is this happening?

01:20:38 ◼   ► I do think that Apple should come out with messaging

01:20:40 ◼   ► and maybe they already have that

01:20:41 ◼   ► and kind of in the works for iOS 12,

01:20:43 ◼   ► where they're just kind of like,

01:20:44 ◼   ► this is why this is so cool.

01:20:46 ◼   ► They were just waiting until shortcuts

01:20:48 ◼   ► kind of got a little bit more refined.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Maybe we'll see some stuff in the public beta,

01:20:51 ◼   ► maybe we'll see some stuff at launch.

01:20:53 ◼   ► But I think it's a really important thing

01:20:56 ◼   ► to get out in front of.

01:20:57 ◼   ► 'Cause if you can say, you know all those features

01:20:59 ◼   ► that Google's been doing for years,

01:21:01 ◼   ► well we can do it now too with our iPhone 10

01:21:04 ◼   ► and the iPhone 8 with iOS 12,

01:21:06 ◼   ► but you don't have to do it in some cloud

01:21:10 ◼   ► where potentially the FBI could have access to your data.

01:21:13 ◼   ► It's all locally on your phone.

01:21:15 ◼   ► That's a great message for them to pitch.

01:21:17 ◼   ► But I do think, I think you're right in that

01:21:20 ◼   ► there might be some initial panic

01:21:21 ◼   ► if Apple doesn't grab hold of that narrative and be like,

01:21:24 ◼   ► this is how this is gonna go.

01:21:26 ◼   ► - Right, and you're not gonna get ads based on the thing.

01:21:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's also really key, right?

01:21:31 ◼   ► - I definitely think so.

01:21:33 ◼   ► - And it's also, I mean, I think about Apple's concern

01:21:39 ◼   ► over this, you know about the new app store, right?

01:21:41 ◼   ► You know, the fact that this is something that's kind of,

01:21:43 ◼   ► I feel like gone completely under the radar

01:21:45 ◼   ► 'cause it wasn't in the keynote, is that iOS 12,

01:21:48 ◼   ► And even a little, I think they're beta testing it in iOS 11,

01:21:52 ◼   ► I'm not positive, but iOS 12 offers

01:21:54 ◼   ► a fully customized app store based on your purchase history

01:21:57 ◼   ► and like how you rate apps.

01:22:00 ◼   ► So your today screen actually shows up

01:22:04 ◼   ► with customized editorials based on your tastes

01:22:08 ◼   ► and your likes and like what you prefer.

01:22:10 ◼   ► It's basically like for you with Apple Music,

01:22:12 ◼   ► but it's through the app store.

01:22:15 ◼   ► And Apple did it without changing any of their terms

01:22:18 ◼   ► and conditions and they're not gathering any extra data.

01:22:20 ◼   ► But I have to assume that there was some concern over,

01:22:25 ◼   ► especially the Cambridge Analytica stuff and everything else

01:22:27 ◼   ► that like, how was that going to play?

01:22:30 ◼   ► How is that gonna play if we introduce it in a keynote,

01:22:33 ◼   ► if we don't have the exact right wording?

01:22:35 ◼   ► So again, I think it's like part of that whole messaging.

01:22:39 ◼   ► Maybe they're still working on the way to present a like,

01:22:42 ◼   ► we're doing something really cool,

01:22:44 ◼   ► but we're not doing it with your data

01:22:47 ◼   ► in a way that other companies are doing.

01:22:48 ◼   ► - I think with the store in particular,

01:22:50 ◼   ► people have long accepted it and embraced it as a feature.

01:22:54 ◼   ► So like, I mean, and Amazon paved the way,

01:22:58 ◼   ► I mean, literally at this point decades ago,

01:23:00 ◼   ► I think I first started shopping at Amazon in 1997.

01:23:03 ◼   ► It may be even '96, I don't know, but certainly in '97.

01:23:08 ◼   ► But Amazon has always had a recommendation engine

01:23:10 ◼   ► based on past purchases that's useful.

01:23:15 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, that actually is useful to me

01:23:18 ◼   ► 'cause you guys get me.

01:23:20 ◼   ► The creepier part, the part that is more objectionable

01:23:23 ◼   ► isn't when your behavior on Amazon

01:23:26 ◼   ► and your suggestions from Amazon are based on your actions.

01:23:31 ◼   ► It's when you start getting suggestions on Amazon

01:23:35 ◼   ► for things you didn't search for on Amazon,

01:23:38 ◼   ► you searched for somewhere else.

01:23:40 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Or, you know.

01:23:42 ◼   ► And that's, to me, is the difference with the App Store.

01:23:44 ◼   ► So of course Apple knows your purchase history.

01:23:46 ◼   ► It's obvious.

01:23:47 ◼   ► You could go to the Purchase tab,

01:23:49 ◼   ► and they'll tell you everything you bought.

01:23:52 ◼   ► It would be broken if they-- it would be bad if they didn't

01:23:54 ◼   ► know your purchase history.

01:23:55 ◼   ► So why not use it to order or show things

01:23:58 ◼   ► in a different order?

01:24:01 ◼   ► What else?

01:24:02 ◼   ► Privacy related.

01:24:03 ◼   ► We've got the AirPods-- this is from my notes.

01:24:07 ◼   ► I clearly meant to look up the actual name of the feature

01:24:10 ◼   ► before we started, and I didn't.

01:24:12 ◼   ► It says AirPods listening thing.

01:24:14 ◼   ► - That's great, that's perfect.

01:24:16 ◼   ► AirPods as live listeners hearing aids,

01:24:20 ◼   ► which is designed as an accessibility feature

01:24:23 ◼   ► and it essentially just means

01:24:24 ◼   ► that wherever you leave your iPhone

01:24:26 ◼   ► or if you use your iPhone as a microphone,

01:24:28 ◼   ► it'll get routed to your AirPods

01:24:30 ◼   ► the same way it would get routed

01:24:31 ◼   ► to a three or $400 hearing aid.

01:24:33 ◼   ► - Right, it's a feature that's already been in iOS

01:24:36 ◼   ► for at least a year, maybe years,

01:24:38 ◼   ► where people who use digitally connected hearing aids,

01:24:43 ◼   ► people with low hearing can do this.

01:24:48 ◼   ► So now it's just the same feature has been expanded

01:24:50 ◼   ► to allow you to use AirPods.

01:24:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, which is honestly, which is really cool

01:24:55 ◼   ► from an accessibility standpoint.

01:24:57 ◼   ► It also means that for people who are hard of hearing

01:25:00 ◼   ► or maybe even people who don't necessarily need

01:25:03 ◼   ► like hearing aids, but they still want to be able to use,

01:25:07 ◼   ► to connect and listen to people,

01:25:10 ◼   ► and maybe they're just starting to lose their hearing,

01:25:12 ◼   ► maybe they're just your grandparents, right?

01:25:14 ◼   ► And you wanna have a conversation.

01:25:16 ◼   ► It allows them to really have that feature

01:25:21 ◼   ► if they already have a set of AirPods.

01:25:22 ◼   ► But of course, instantly Twitter was like, "Spying!"

01:25:27 ◼   ► Which I understand, I understand.

01:25:31 ◼   ► I mean, it could be used like that.

01:25:33 ◼   ► - There's a new podcast, a friend of the show,

01:25:36 ◼   ► Stephen Aquino who has written, you know, I would I would say without question is the leading writer on

01:25:42 ◼   ► Accessibility and Apple products. I can't even imagine. I don't know who's in second place. Yeah

01:25:48 ◼   ► He has a new podcast called accessible and

01:25:52 ◼   ► It he had a great WWDC where he got interviews with

01:25:58 ◼   ► People at Apple who work on this stuff including

01:26:04 ◼   ► Apple's senior director of global accessibility policy and initiatives which which Steven and that her name is Sarah Herlinger

01:26:11 ◼   ► Which they even admitted is a bit a bit of a mouthful of a title

01:26:14 ◼   ► She was great Steven asked great questions

01:26:19 ◼   ► But one of the things she said like a specific environment where they were thinking about this and tested it would be a loud restaurant

01:26:24 ◼   ► So for somebody who maybe doesn't need a hearing aid, but who's hearing?

01:26:29 ◼   ► Accessibility needs are such that they have trouble

01:26:33 ◼   ► understanding a conversation in a noisy restaurant

01:26:35 ◼   ► That so they may not own like a three or four hundred dollar hearing aid because they don't need one usually but they could use

01:26:42 ◼   ► their air pods in the restaurant and point the phone's microphone just lay it on the table and point it at their

01:26:48 ◼   ► You know the people they're eating with across the table and get this

01:26:52 ◼   ► Clarified audio

01:26:56 ◼   ► Yeah, that that was a specific scenario that they were thinking of where would somebody use this for accessibility?

01:27:01 ◼   ► But would maybe wouldn't be the owner of hearing aids. I thought it was great. I'll put a link to the show notes

01:27:06 ◼   ► I swear to God to this episode because it's really really great and

01:27:10 ◼   ► So I think it's only the third episode of Stevens podcast and he's already got Apple executives on the show, which is pretty awesome

01:27:17 ◼   ► He's doing it right. He's doing it right, but I thought that was pretty good

01:27:20 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, and so everybody freaked out about the spying angle and it's like man

01:27:26 ◼   ► There are so many things like search the web for like listening devices. It's like, you know again

01:27:31 ◼   ► You don't want to go down that rabbit hole because then you'll just you'll look at everything and just be like, alright

01:27:36 ◼   ► So people are listening from my lamp like this has been around since the 50s like we have to understand that it's not unusual

01:27:42 ◼   ► well think about the way that

01:27:44 ◼   ► Again, and it's not wrong that people immediately jump to that conclusion. It's actually I guess it's not it's healthy that that your instincts

01:27:51 ◼   ► You know jump to bad conclusions, but we've had the ability to turn on the iPhone camera and control it from our watch

01:27:58 ◼   ► Maybe not ever since the original watch but certainly for a couple of years since the original I think well

01:28:03 ◼   ► Whatever it's yeah couple of years

01:28:04 ◼   ► So you could prop up your phone in a room and and control it take pictures of people and stuff like that

01:28:11 ◼   ► I mean and there's also and of course we all know there's all sorts of devices you can buy that are cameras that you can

01:28:16 ◼   ► hide in a room and surreptitiously take photos of people so

01:28:20 ◼   ► Again people somebody might eventually abuse it that way

01:28:23 ◼   ► but it certainly isn't a reason not to add the feature to the OS because it's not the only way to do it.

01:28:28 ◼   ► It's not like not doing this in iOS 12 is going to keep people from ever being snooped on.

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01:28:35 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:28:36 ◼   ► People are people, you just have to be vigilant

01:28:38 ◼   ► and be friends with the right folks.

01:28:41 ◼   ► Go to the right places, I guess.

01:28:43 ◼   ► - And you do have to leave your $700 or $800,

01:28:46 ◼   ► $900, $1000 iPhone laying around.

01:28:49 ◼   ► - Just lying around.

01:28:50 ◼   ► - Right, so, you know,

01:28:52 ◼   ► just probably also cheaper ways to do it.

01:28:55 ◼   ► Group FaceTime, I haven't tried this yet.

01:28:58 ◼   ► - Oh, I just tried it today.

01:28:59 ◼   ► It's really cool.

01:29:00 ◼   ► It's actually, again, for a 1.0 product,

01:29:04 ◼   ► it is pretty solid.

01:29:05 ◼   ► And I believe like, I think you were asking JAWS

01:29:08 ◼   ► about this last week about like,

01:29:10 ◼   ► oh, you guys use these internally for meetings.

01:29:12 ◼   ► And after having used it with like five or six people today,

01:29:15 ◼   ► I'm like, oh yeah, I can totally see this.

01:29:18 ◼   ► 'Cause already on like, you know, when I'm in Montreal,

01:29:21 ◼   ► I do not have great wifi at all.

01:29:23 ◼   ► Like just I'm in the back of a railroad apartment,

01:29:25 ◼   ► it's really patchy signal.

01:29:27 ◼   ► But I was able to do a group FaceTime on my patchy wifi

01:29:32 ◼   ► with no issues whatsoever.

01:29:34 ◼   ► And it's like, it was clear.

01:29:35 ◼   ► I've never even had a Skype or a Hangouts thing this clear.

01:29:38 ◼   ► And it was very good in that it was intelligently degrading

01:29:42 ◼   ► and improving the signal based on what,

01:29:46 ◼   ► there was never that moment where the entire chat froze

01:29:49 ◼   ► and you're just like, oh good,

01:29:51 ◼   ► well I have no idea what's talking anymore.

01:29:54 ◼   ► Instead it was just like, oh your connection isn't as strong

01:29:57 ◼   ► okay we're gonna drop out the picture,

01:29:58 ◼   ► but you're still gonna get full audio,

01:29:59 ◼   ► you're still like, it's just, you know, just some,

01:30:02 ◼   ► there's a lot of really nice tweaks under the hood.

01:30:04 ◼   ► And FaceTime's, I mean, FaceTime's proprietary

01:30:06 ◼   ► under the hood codec has always been really strong

01:30:08 ◼   ► in this regard, so I guess I'm not that surprised,

01:30:11 ◼   ► but it's nice to see that, you know,

01:30:13 ◼   ► even though this feature feels like three or four years late

01:30:16 ◼   ► it's still really strong.

01:30:17 ◼   ► And again, adding Memoji and all the effects

01:30:20 ◼   ► and everything else, it makes Hangouts,

01:30:23 ◼   ► like special effects stuff, look primitive,

01:30:26 ◼   ► look like grade school stuff.

01:30:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I kind of-- - Because it's so good.

01:30:29 ◼   ► I kind of get the feeling that the doesn't really feel like a 1.0 and kind of feels like

01:30:34 ◼   ► it's three or four years late are one in this two sides of the same coin. Right? The

01:30:40 ◼   ► reason it seems to have shipped a little at least a couple of years later than I would

01:30:44 ◼   ► say most of us would have expected to have multiple people, more than two people in a

01:30:48 ◼   ► FaceTime video chat is that they decided to ship it when it was like rock solid and really

01:30:57 ◼   ► well done. And so it's not sort of the typical, this works most of the time, 1.0, right?

01:31:04 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, it makes sense because there already are. Hangouts is pretty solid. Skype is pretty

01:31:10 ◼   ► solid. There are a million video chat options. So if you're going to introduce something,

01:31:16 ◼   ► you better make it as good as iMessage.

01:31:18 ◼   ► Yeah. And as secure as iMessage because one of the questions I asked last week at the

01:31:23 ◼   ► show. I knew the answer, but it was good to hear it on the record is that even with a 32 person

01:31:28 ◼   ► group FaceTime, it remains end to end encrypted for everybody involved, which is incredible. Mind

01:31:34 ◼   ► boggling to me. Yeah. All right, shortcuts. I haven't set up any shortcuts yet. Yeah. So sure.

01:31:43 ◼   ► I mean, shortcuts, the app doesn't exist yet. So it's, we're still in, we're still in, I think the

01:31:48 ◼   ► the best thing to think about.

01:31:49 ◼   ► And Federico Vitucci wrote an amazing piece on this today

01:31:53 ◼   ► at MacStories.

01:31:54 ◼   ► Renee has been doing some really great stuff at iMore.

01:31:57 ◼   ► The things to know about shortcuts

01:31:58 ◼   ► is it's really like three different things.

01:32:00 ◼   ► There's Shortcuts the app, which basically replaces workflow.

01:32:04 ◼   ► And from everything I've been hearing

01:32:06 ◼   ► and from everything Vitucci and Renee have been hearing,

01:32:09 ◼   ► it sounds like it's gonna be identical to workflow,

01:32:11 ◼   ► including all of the callback URL schemes

01:32:13 ◼   ► and like all of the advanced coding stuff

01:32:16 ◼   ► that people have been able to do and play around with.

01:32:17 ◼   ► It doesn't sound like Apple's taking away

01:32:19 ◼   ► any of that functionality, which is awesome,

01:32:21 ◼   ► but the app's not ready yet, right?

01:32:23 ◼   ► It's still workflow in the store,

01:32:24 ◼   ► and it'll eventually replace it, but until it does,

01:32:27 ◼   ► we really can't play around with that.

01:32:28 ◼   ► Then there's also Siri-based shortcuts,

01:32:32 ◼   ► and these are a little bit more complicated

01:32:34 ◼   ► in that these are current.

01:32:37 ◼   ► You can mess around with them in the first beta,

01:32:39 ◼   ► but they're only found in the Settings app

01:32:41 ◼   ► under the Siri tab, and eventually,

01:32:43 ◼   ► it sounds like they may pop up on your lock screen

01:32:46 ◼   ► is like, hey, you do this pretty often,

01:32:47 ◼   ► do you wanna create a voice shortcut for it?

01:32:50 ◼   ► But those right now are only,

01:32:53 ◼   ► they only show up in settings.

01:32:56 ◼   ► And it's really easy to create a voice shortcut,

01:32:59 ◼   ► but it's only for one thing, right?

01:33:00 ◼   ► Like it's, a great example was,

01:33:04 ◼   ► if I went into it right now, it would show me,

01:33:05 ◼   ► it was like, would you like to create a voice shortcut

01:33:07 ◼   ► for launching iMore.com?

01:33:09 ◼   ► Or like opening the specific talk show shared note

01:33:13 ◼   ► that Jon Gruber just linked to you.

01:33:15 ◼   ► And then you could say, you know, "Talk show."

01:33:17 ◼   ► And then anytime you said, "Talk show," to Siri,

01:33:20 ◼   ► Siri would automatically open up that note in specific.

01:33:23 ◼   ► So it's like little things like that.

01:33:25 ◼   ► And it sounds like third-party apps

01:33:27 ◼   ► will also be able to include those kinds of things

01:33:31 ◼   ► so that you can actually automatically build one

01:33:33 ◼   ► by either pressing a button in the app

01:33:34 ◼   ► or the app will suggest it to you on your home screen.

01:33:37 ◼   ► So that's kind of the other aspect of shortcuts.

01:33:41 ◼   ► And then they combine together in a lovely way.

01:33:44 ◼   ► But it just it you still is what is from what I can understand

01:33:47 ◼   ► you'll still be able to run like work the workflow style shortcuts like as an action extension or as a

01:33:52 ◼   ► As a standalone like home screen app and things like that

01:33:56 ◼   ► It's just now in addition to that it's hooking into Siri so that you can do multi-part things with Siri, which is pretty cool

01:34:02 ◼   ► Hmm, very cool

01:34:05 ◼   ► Screen time

01:34:08 ◼   ► Scary it's green screen time. Do they spell it one word or two words two words?

01:34:13 ◼   ► it is two words in the settings app, so I I

01:34:17 ◼   ► Suspect that once I have this running on my main phone. I'm going to have some

01:34:22 ◼   ► some eye-opening

01:34:25 ◼   ► reports

01:34:26 ◼   ► Some of my usage like the one in particular

01:34:29 ◼   ► I forget if I said this on stage or backstage to jaws

01:34:31 ◼   ► But I was like the one about how many times a day you wake your phone

01:34:34 ◼   ► I just know it's gonna be like whoa, come on, that's busted

01:34:38 ◼   ► broken. Nobody opens their phone 253 times a day.

01:34:43 ◼   ► Oh, it's better. I had 4,000 last week. On the week, not the day, right? No. No, no,

01:34:52 ◼   ► the day. The Tuesday when I was messing around with iOS 12. Like, it was very specifically,

01:34:59 ◼   ► obviously, a testing issue, but like, it was still a little bit like, "Why? Why? No."

01:35:05 ◼   ► So I went through and like I told you, I had this longer than you'd think even over super

01:35:11 ◼   ► fast ethernet where I installed the beta on my iPhone 7 at WWDC but didn't really get

01:35:19 ◼   ► a chance to use it or hardly at all there and then flew home on Thursday and got in

01:35:24 ◼   ► and like Friday like decided to check it out and it says you use your phone for two minutes

01:35:29 ◼   ► a day.

01:35:30 ◼   ► I'm like, not for long.

01:35:34 ◼   ► like, that's not correct. That is a little weird. Yeah, I mean, I've been I've been looking at the

01:35:39 ◼   ► graph for about a week. And I do find it's really helpful to kind of just generally see a an overall

01:35:44 ◼   ► picture. They give you most used graphs, not only for individual apps, but also for groupings of

01:35:50 ◼   ► apps. So like reading and reference my like grouping, which is like books and a couple

01:35:55 ◼   ► other things. It's like reading and reference 18 hours in the last week. And I'm like, yeah,

01:35:59 ◼   ► that sounds about right. And they have like social networking and productivity and entertainment and

01:36:03 ◼   ► things like that. And that's helpful for getting kind of a general idea of what you're doing.

01:36:10 ◼   ► I haven't set any downtime. I haven't set any app limits yet. I don't know if I will,

01:36:14 ◼   ► just because it's like, yeah. It's hard when you're also using it for your job. Maybe I'll

01:36:21 ◼   ► set some downtime stuff for everything but the books app at night, right? Because it might force

01:36:26 ◼   ► me to actually read and not go to Twitter when I want to be reading actual books.

01:36:31 ◼   ► I should set the opposite of a limit. I should set like a requirement that I have to spend 45 minutes a day in mail

01:36:38 ◼   ► Yes, right, right this is something I actually I haven't filed a radar yet

01:36:44 ◼   ► But it's on my list of Raiders to file as I actually want them when you like use up your screen time for a certain app

01:36:50 ◼   ► I actually want you to them to prompt you with a different app like oh you spent you know

01:36:55 ◼   ► You're two hours allotted on tweet

01:36:56 ◼   ► Would you like to go learn a new language and do a lingo instead?

01:36:59 ◼   ► Should I have to go check your mail, John Gruber?

01:37:02 ◼   ► I really should.

01:37:03 ◼   ► I mean, it would be exactly like the calorie goals or standing goals on the watch.

01:37:08 ◼   ► Like, come on, you can make it.

01:37:10 ◼   ► You can do it.

01:37:12 ◼   ► No, the one thing about screen time that wigs me out a little bit is if you're in a family,

01:37:17 ◼   ► which I am, you can see everybody in your family's screen time, including your significant other,

01:37:22 ◼   ► and you can set downtime and app limits for them,

01:37:25 ◼   ► which I think is kind of screwy.

01:37:28 ◼   ► I'm like, I'm hoping that that could be turned off

01:37:31 ◼   ► on the, like, you know, it's like,

01:37:34 ◼   ► if my husband wants to turn off screen time

01:37:36 ◼   ► so that I can't see it, just like he can turn off

01:37:39 ◼   ► find my friends, like I feel like that would probably

01:37:41 ◼   ► be a good security feature, 'cause I just,

01:37:43 ◼   ► I feel like, I don't know, I just see controlling

01:37:46 ◼   ► like ex-girlfriends and boyfriends

01:37:48 ◼   ► and it makes me uncomfortable.

01:37:50 ◼   ► But it's cool from, I mean, I don't have a kid,

01:37:52 ◼   ► but you have a kid, like is this something,

01:37:55 ◼   ► Is something you're going to use for Jonas?

01:37:57 ◼   ► I'll take a look at it.

01:37:58 ◼   ► I mean, we don't really have very many limits on his stuff.

01:38:04 ◼   ► It's all going to be YouTube.

01:38:05 ◼   ► It's just going to be--

01:38:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:38:06 ◼   ► And actually, he doesn't watch YouTube on his phone much,

01:38:09 ◼   ► though.

01:38:11 ◼   ► His phone thing is mostly some stupid meme app,

01:38:15 ◼   ► where you just page through and just get memes.

01:38:18 ◼   ► His YouTube usage is almost entirely MacBook.

01:38:24 ◼   ► And so Mac isn't getting this feature yet, but--

01:38:27 ◼   ► - Not yet, maybe next year.

01:38:29 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of other weird and cool things.

01:38:32 ◼   ► You can set up an alternate face ID appearance,

01:38:36 ◼   ► although people are now like,

01:38:38 ◼   ► "Oh, it's a second person for FaceTime."

01:38:41 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Eh, well, sort of."

01:38:43 ◼   ► I guess that works.

01:38:44 ◼   ► - It just seems like though,

01:38:46 ◼   ► if that's what they really meant,

01:38:47 ◼   ► they wouldn't use that language.

01:38:49 ◼   ► This seems like something-- - No.

01:38:51 ◼   ► - I can't even, you know,

01:38:53 ◼   ► I can think of dozens of scenarios for this,

01:38:55 ◼   ► but one that I could think of in particular

01:39:00 ◼   ► would be if your job requires you to wear a mask

01:39:06 ◼   ► or certain goggles.

01:39:09 ◼   ► And I got an email that I actually saw and read

01:39:13 ◼   ► and much appreciated from a surgeon

01:39:15 ◼   ► who got an iPhone X and simply couldn't get it to unlock

01:39:22 ◼   ► while he was wearing a surgical mask.

01:39:24 ◼   ► And then all of a sudden, a couple of months in,

01:39:28 ◼   ► it started working, and he wrote to me,

01:39:30 ◼   ► speculating that either a software improvement,

01:39:32 ◼   ► something changed.

01:39:33 ◼   ► I could imagine that this might help

01:39:37 ◼   ► with some scenario like that,

01:39:39 ◼   ► where sometimes you're wearing a surgical mask,

01:39:41 ◼   ► and if you set it up both ways and say,

01:39:44 ◼   ► "These are both me," it can triangulate it.

01:39:47 ◼   ► The language of the feature,

01:39:49 ◼   ► and nobody seems to have figured,

01:39:51 ◼   ► I don't know, I haven't seen if anybody has figured out

01:39:53 ◼   ► whether it really does work

01:39:54 ◼   ► with two entirely different people,

01:39:56 ◼   ► but I think if that's what they meant,

01:39:58 ◼   ► they would have said they would have written it differently.

01:39:59 ◼   ► - They would have just been like, "Multiperson FaceTime."

01:40:02 ◼   ► - Right. - Isn't that cool?

01:40:03 ◼   ► - Right, like they don't call it, like with Touch ID,

01:40:05 ◼   ► they don't call it alternative finger angle.

01:40:08 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:40:09 ◼   ► It's like you just set up a different finger.

01:40:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - It's pretty clear,

01:40:13 ◼   ► you know, that when you're setting up a different finger,

01:40:15 ◼   ► it's a different finger.

01:40:16 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, yeah.

01:40:18 ◼   ► So other things, there are new Siri voices.

01:40:20 ◼   ► There's a South African Siri voice,

01:40:22 ◼   ► and there's also an Irish Siri voice.

01:40:24 ◼   ► So if you want your iPhone to sound like Friday

01:40:27 ◼   ► from Iron Man, you can make that happen.

01:40:29 ◼   ► - That's pretty cool.

01:40:31 ◼   ► Here's one that I don't know anything about

01:40:33 ◼   ► 'cause I haven't put it on an iPad yet,

01:40:34 ◼   ► but I understand that you have strong feelings

01:40:37 ◼   ► about the new swipe gestures on iPad.

01:40:40 ◼   ► - I really do.

01:40:41 ◼   ► I have so many.

01:40:42 ◼   ► Well, okay, so the iPad gestures have been reoriented

01:40:45 ◼   ► to be in line with the iPhone X.

01:40:47 ◼   ► So instead of Control Center being part

01:40:50 ◼   ► like the spaces area when you do the four finger swipe up. And now it's pulled down from the top

01:40:56 ◼   ► right. And it's like, oh, the camera, you know, the date is in the top left corner, and that stuff is

01:41:00 ◼   ► in the top right corner. And there's a conspicuous space missing in the middle. I wonder, wonder where

01:41:07 ◼   ► why that could be. But in addition to all this, it means that when you're swiping up from the bottom,

01:41:12 ◼   ► it treats it like you would in an iPhone 10, where it automatically goes home. And this is a problem

01:41:18 ◼   ► because prior to this, if you did a swipe up from the bottom, you would get the dock. And then if

01:41:24 ◼   ► you continued swiping up from the bottom, you would go home. But the initial like one flick up

01:41:30 ◼   ► is just to pull the dock up so that you could swap apps. And what I've been doing pretty much

01:41:35 ◼   ► constantly since I installed this on my iPad is going to flick up to the dock and then sending it

01:41:41 ◼   ► back home and then reopening the app and then flicking up the dock and sending it back. So it

01:41:45 ◼   ► - Just to be clear, a small flick does still bring up

01:41:48 ◼   ► the dock and a larger flick does the iPhone 10 style

01:41:53 ◼   ► start to go home?

01:41:54 ◼   ► - Sort of.

01:41:55 ◼   ► If you do an up flick and you keep your finger

01:41:58 ◼   ► on the display, it will pull up the dock.

01:42:01 ◼   ► But if you flick and lift your finger off the display,

01:42:04 ◼   ► it will send it all the way home.

01:42:05 ◼   ► - Gotcha.

01:42:06 ◼   ► - And that is the annoyance.

01:42:08 ◼   ► - But what about multitasking?

01:42:09 ◼   ► Multitasking is still, can you swipe up

01:42:12 ◼   ► to get to multitasking or?

01:42:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, you can still do a four finger swipe

01:42:16 ◼   ► to get to the multitasking screen.

01:42:18 ◼   ► Yeah, the multi-finger swipes are all mostly intact.

01:42:22 ◼   ► Split view and slide over and all of that

01:42:25 ◼   ► seems to all work pretty much identically.

01:42:27 ◼   ► It's just the dock issue.

01:42:29 ◼   ► And I have to assume that this is just some tweaking

01:42:31 ◼   ► that will get fixed in beta.

01:42:33 ◼   ► Like I'm not gonna panic about it

01:42:34 ◼   ► until we've gotten a couple betas in.

01:42:36 ◼   ► 'Cause clearly like it's gonna be a different,

01:42:40 ◼   ► when you associate the same swipe gesture

01:42:42 ◼   ► with two different things,

01:42:44 ◼   ► it's a little bit difficult.

01:42:45 ◼   ► It's kind of like with the iPhone 10,

01:42:47 ◼   ► having the upward swipe gesture close an app,

01:42:49 ◼   ► but also like if you do it halfway,

01:42:51 ◼   ► you can go into multitasking mode, right?

01:42:53 ◼   ► Or swiping along the bottom, you could switch apps.

01:42:56 ◼   ► Like these things, they can move them over to the iPad

01:43:00 ◼   ► for whatever reason they might want to,

01:43:03 ◼   ► but it's gonna take some time, right?

01:43:05 ◼   ► It's gonna, they're gonna have to plug everything together.

01:43:09 ◼   ► - Last but not least, there's the new Apple Books app

01:43:12 ◼   ► replacing the old iBooks app.

01:43:15 ◼   ► - So this one is interesting.

01:43:17 ◼   ► This one I think might end up being the hidden

01:43:19 ◼   ► like unsung feature of iOS 12.

01:43:20 ◼   ► 'Cause it didn't get, you know,

01:43:21 ◼   ► it got no screen time basically on the keynote.

01:43:23 ◼   ► Like it was up as like, "Oh look, new, new books app,

01:43:26 ◼   ► new font."

01:43:27 ◼   ► Which is called SF Serif.

01:43:29 ◼   ► - They spent more time talking about the name change.

01:43:32 ◼   ► They really did.

01:43:33 ◼   ► - I know, I know.

01:43:34 ◼   ► They're like, "Oh yeah, and it has all these things.

01:43:36 ◼   ► Next, let's talk about stocks."

01:43:38 ◼   ► No, it's so Apple Books.

01:43:41 ◼   ► It's now Apple Books instead of iBooks,

01:43:42 ◼   ► which I think makes sense.

01:43:44 ◼   ► Been expecting that name change for a while.

01:43:46 ◼   ► Has a new font for the headers

01:43:50 ◼   ► that's now called SF Serif, and it's beautiful.

01:43:53 ◼   ► It's a really beautiful Serif font.

01:43:55 ◼   ► But the biggest deal about Apple Books

01:43:58 ◼   ► is it's just like the reading experience itself

01:44:00 ◼   ► is almost identical.

01:44:02 ◼   ► It pretty much looks exactly the same as iOS 11,

01:44:05 ◼   ► but everything around the reading experience,

01:44:07 ◼   ► like buying books and organizing books

01:44:09 ◼   ► and choosing books you wanna read

01:44:11 ◼   ► and saying that you finished books,

01:44:12 ◼   ► all of these things are now built into the app.

01:44:14 ◼   ► It's like they took all the features of Goodreads

01:44:17 ◼   ► and then they're like, all right,

01:44:18 ◼   ► how can we make this usable and interesting to people?

01:44:22 ◼   ► So now when you launch the book apps,

01:44:24 ◼   ► you have this beautiful like reading now screen

01:44:27 ◼   ► and it shows the book that you're currently reading

01:44:29 ◼   ► as well as like how far you're into it

01:44:31 ◼   ► and either it shows the cover if you haven't opened it

01:44:33 ◼   ► in the last 24 hours or it actually has it open

01:44:35 ◼   ► to the specific page.

01:44:37 ◼   ► And it uses a lot of the horizontal scrolls

01:44:40 ◼   ► that the new App Store kind of premiered last year

01:44:43 ◼   ► with iOS 11.

01:44:44 ◼   ► And it's such a smart design, in my opinion.

01:44:48 ◼   ► Like obviously, I've had two weeks with it,

01:44:51 ◼   ► but I have been reading,

01:44:52 ◼   ► like I read a lot of books on my iPhone.

01:44:54 ◼   ► It's basically the thing I do before I go to sleep

01:44:57 ◼   ► and like when I'm standing in lines and things like that.

01:44:59 ◼   ► I enjoy reading a lot

01:45:01 ◼   ► and reading on the OLED screen is really easy.

01:45:03 ◼   ► And the reading experience and just managing books,

01:45:07 ◼   ► the fact that there's a new want to read section

01:45:10 ◼   ► that you can tag for either books you already own

01:45:12 ◼   ► or books you wanna look at in the store.

01:45:14 ◼   ► And it just displays immediately

01:45:16 ◼   ► under that Reading Now section.

01:45:17 ◼   ► So if you wanna find a, if you're like,

01:45:18 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, someone told me to read that book,"

01:45:20 ◼   ► I can just throw it on my Want to Read list.

01:45:22 ◼   ► And I don't have to buy it, I don't have to tag,

01:45:24 ◼   ► like it's literally just press a button

01:45:26 ◼   ► and it goes down onto Want to Read

01:45:28 ◼   ► and I can look at it another time.

01:45:30 ◼   ► But there's also, there's this new Finished collection.

01:45:34 ◼   ► And the Finished collection,

01:45:35 ◼   ► like the Want to Read collection,

01:45:37 ◼   ► you can tag any book, whether or not you own it.

01:45:39 ◼   ► which means that you, I go back to the Goodreads comparison,

01:45:42 ◼   ► it's like I'm thinking about,

01:45:44 ◼   ► and I've been doing this the last week,

01:45:46 ◼   ► where it's like all of these books that I have on my shelf

01:45:48 ◼   ► that I didn't buy digitally, and I'm like,

01:45:50 ◼   ► I don't want to buy them digitally,

01:45:52 ◼   ► I don't wanna rebuy the same book,

01:45:54 ◼   ► but I can indicate in the app, like, I've read this already.

01:45:58 ◼   ► And then you get this beautiful timeline

01:46:01 ◼   ► that's like, you read this book now,

01:46:02 ◼   ► you read this book two weeks ago,

01:46:04 ◼   ► and you can actually see the pace that you're reading books

01:46:07 ◼   ► and how often you're reading,

01:46:08 ◼   ► and all, like it's just, it's a lot of really smart features.

01:46:12 ◼   ► And it's also heralds the return of a bit of skeuomorphism, for lack of a

01:46:18 ◼   ► better word, where the actual books have a bit of a, not even really a bit.

01:46:23 ◼   ► I mean, they're very much looked like hardcover books with a spine and lighting

01:46:27 ◼   ► effects and, you know, I think anybody who's had the patience would realize

01:46:34 ◼   ► that after the great flattening of iOS 7,

01:46:37 ◼   ► that the dial would ease back up eventually

01:46:42 ◼   ► throughout the OS.

01:46:43 ◼   ► There's a drop shadow behind the books as well.

01:46:46 ◼   ► Looks good.

01:46:47 ◼   ► - Yes, it looks really nice.

01:46:48 ◼   ► - I am not sold on SF Serif.

01:46:51 ◼   ► I don't hate it.

01:46:54 ◼   ► I don't know that I love it, but it might be,

01:46:56 ◼   ► I think it's growing, the more I see it,

01:46:58 ◼   ► the more it grows on me, and it does.

01:47:00 ◼   ► As soon as I saw it in a slide,

01:47:01 ◼   ► the first slide that came up,

01:47:03 ◼   ► And of course, I admit it was like, that's new.

01:47:05 ◼   ► It was like the first thing I remember with the watch too.

01:47:09 ◼   ► Where I thought, Oh, they're using Din. And then I immediately thought, Oh,

01:47:15 ◼   ► that's not Din.

01:47:16 ◼   ► That's a new font.

01:47:19 ◼   ► Right. But do you know, a friend at Apple told me that like internally before they

01:47:23 ◼   ► had officially named San Francisco, it was at least some designers who had seen

01:47:26 ◼   ► it and knew that we're calling it Dinvetica. Which if you look at Din and

01:47:32 ◼   ► Helvetica and then look at on two sides and then look at San Francisco in the middle is

01:47:37 ◼   ► actually pretty apt.

01:47:39 ◼   ► It's very similar.

01:47:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:47:41 ◼   ► And I looked at it. As soon as I saw this font, I was like, "Oh, I guarantee you that's

01:47:45 ◼   ► called San Francisco Serif." It is absolutely, in terms of the X height and a couple of other

01:47:52 ◼   ► features of it, it was like, "Oh, that's a sibling to San Francisco, the Serif font

01:47:56 ◼   ► Or in sans-serif font. So I think it fits in that regard and if any app deserves to have

01:48:01 ◼   ► Seraphon, it would be the books app

01:48:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean it's it's funny because when I first looked at it and it uses a lot of black and white and even you

01:48:10 ◼   ► Know and it uses a sort of a dark mode when you're in dark lighting and it inverts in a really smart way

01:48:16 ◼   ► It just looks like the first time I saw it I was like, oh it feels like a newspaper

01:48:21 ◼   ► You know

01:48:22 ◼   ► It feels like old school, like I thought New York Times the first time I saw it.

01:48:26 ◼   ► But then the more I look at it, the more I'm like, no, actually, it feels like Boston's

01:48:30 ◼   ► public library a little bit. Like it has that kind of, it just has a stature to it. And the bookstore,

01:48:36 ◼   ► I don't know if you ever went into the bookstore and not just through the search screen of the

01:48:40 ◼   ► iOS 11 app, but the bookstore and the audiobookstore were just some of the most cramped, unfriendly,

01:48:46 ◼   ► like, felt so gross, especially compared to the new app store. It just, it was so crowded. Like,

01:48:52 ◼   ► Like you couldn't tell anything and like it was really hard to figure stuff out.

01:48:55 ◼   ► And there are clearly smart collections being put together by the books crew, but you just

01:48:59 ◼   ► couldn't read any, like you could not read anything in the reading store.

01:49:04 ◼   ► And this, they've really, it feels much simpler in a way because everything's so big and bold

01:49:10 ◼   ► and like you can see the covers and they've made these horizontal scrolls and all that.

01:49:15 ◼   ► But it doesn't like, I've been comparing it to the iOS 11 app and they're really, they

01:49:19 ◼   ► haven't lost any feature like parody like there's all of the stuff is still there. It's

01:49:25 ◼   ► just organized in a much more pleasant way. Yeah. My big fear when they rushed through

01:49:32 ◼   ► it in the keynote and he didn't really examine the app was I remember thinking, boy, I hope

01:49:38 ◼   ► this is like the new App Store app. And I hope it's not like the first version of Apple

01:49:44 ◼   ► music. Oh, yeah. And I would say it's exactly it. It is in terms of it, at least for me,

01:49:52 ◼   ► and I know there were many others that at least the first version of Apple music felt

01:49:55 ◼   ► can, I often felt lost. I often felt like, what am I looking at here? Is this my music?

01:50:02 ◼   ► Is this just music I have access to? Am I am I in a store? Where am I? I don't find

01:50:08 ◼   ► that at all in the new books. It's like, here's the stuff you're reading. Here's the stuff

01:50:11 ◼   ► you own, you know, reading now, library, then there's a bookstore, an audio bookstore, and

01:50:16 ◼   ► then there's search. Like, boy, if those aren't the five sections that I want in the Apple

01:50:21 ◼   ► Books app, I couldn't imagine a better selection.

01:50:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a it's really nicely organized.

01:50:28 ◼   ► Yeah. And the one that I the one that I wouldn't have thought of before is the reading now,

01:50:31 ◼   ► right? Because the old way was you had you had the old the old app was sort of organized

01:50:36 ◼   ► like a coin, where on the one face was your library and then—and literally it even had

01:50:41 ◼   ► an animation originally where it would just spin around and then on the other side was

01:50:45 ◼   ► the store. So it's like, here's what you have, here's what you can get, and then

01:50:50 ◼   ► you would just flip between the two. But, you know, once you assemble more than a handful

01:50:55 ◼   ► of books in your library, managing the ones you're actually, you know, currently reading,

01:51:00 ◼   ► it wasn't great. And having a separate section for that is perfect. It's the digital equivalent

01:51:05 ◼   ► of like the books on your bedside table versus the books that you have on your shelf.

01:51:09 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it. Exactly. And it just, it allows you so much more easily to actually

01:51:14 ◼   ► find what you want it to read.

01:51:15 ◼   ► Yep. All right. Let me take another break and thank our third and final sponsor of this

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