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00:00:01   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1">TS</a>]

00:00:06   the in comfortable number 282 january to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6">TS</a>]

00:00:12   answer 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   hello everybody welcome back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/17">TS</a>]

00:00:18   i am joined by fine panel of people this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   week we're going to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   recently-concluded series 9 of Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   Who from the BBC you know I definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   one of my favorites and so we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   a lot we don't do the flash cast on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   podcast feed me more because we do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   over at the TV podcast feed part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   great and comfortable network that posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/36">TS</a>]

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00:00:41   you can listen to the mall but anyway if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   you like if you like our episode by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   episode you can check that out but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   like to check in at the end of a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   who season and do an episode on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/48">TS</a>]

00:00:49   incomparable about the season as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   and I've got a great panel to join me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   talk about that Glenn fleischmann you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   you know you may remember him from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   four episodes he was on last year but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/59">TS</a>]

00:01:00   he's been in both of the episode so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   this year he's here Michael and by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   math that means I'll be a hundred so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/65">TS</a>]

00:01:06   episodes 4 2016 you're on pace for 52 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   episodes this year so keep it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   also on pace for 52 episodes this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14   is David Laura hello hello stranger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/74">TS</a>]

00:01:17   you're a day and more and already well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   not hard now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   ok just a little competitive the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/81">TS</a>]

00:01:24   talk now and and trying to repeat erase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/84">TS</a>]

00:01:27   her raise her standing back to what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   was in 2014 Eric and also 242 hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   yeah and i need to get my numbers back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/93">TS</a>]

00:01:34   up last year was embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   I'm happy to have you here to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   doctor who this is one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/98">TS</a>]

00:01:39   where I now have so many friends who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   Doctor Who podcasters as well which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   great also hear our control group he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   never seen Doctor Who before wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   second that's Babylon 5 it is serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   advancing from Radio Free Skaro hello hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   there I was actually hoping to get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/112">TS</a>]

00:01:53   words in about Star Wars if you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   podcast series 9 starts with a two-part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/115">TS</a>]

00:02:00   up as a lot of two part or paired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   episodes this season the Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/122">TS</a>]

00:02:05   written magician's apprentice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   witch's familiar in which the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   meets Davros as a child as a as an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/129">TS</a>]

00:02:14   shriveled monster man and uh and missy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/134">TS</a>]

00:02:18   is there and there's a lot of the Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   Missy interaction on earth where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   doctor isn't and then also on Skaro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   where they are with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   they end up so this this was our kickoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/147">TS</a>]

00:02:30   and and i'm interested what everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   father this uh I you know I as with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/153">TS</a>]

00:02:38   these I did the episodes on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/158">TS</a>]

00:02:39   TV podcast about them but it's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42   to think about it sort of after awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   vs after literally haven't seen it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   hour before the thing that strikes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   knowing the whole season artist i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/169">TS</a>]

00:02:50   surprised that this is the only time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52   saw Missy this season but it this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   kicking off other than the mention of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   the confession dial the opening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   partner is not about the series wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   story arc it you know dhafra Davros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   doesn't come back the Daleks don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   really come back Missy doesn't come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   it's just a two-parter about Davros and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/187">TS</a>]

00:03:11   the Daleks and missy and the doctor alka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   and and Clara all kind of turned up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/193">TS</a>]

00:03:15   together which is kind of nice i kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   anarkali and but of course it didn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   didn't stop nerds from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   extrapolating everything from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/203">TS</a>]

00:03:24   opening to party because they've come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   expect it over the years to say whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   is laid down in episode one is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   come back and episode 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   there was even a I think when dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   with Clarence because you know Claire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/215">TS</a>]

00:03:36   was leaving at the end of the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/216">TS</a>]

00:03:37   everybody knew that and I think a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   bunch of people were sort of thinking oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   perhaps or something to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/221">TS</a>]

00:03:42   Dalek in this story and perhaps she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/222">TS</a>]

00:03:45   actually dead in the Dalek and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   find out at the end of the series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   he's actually been dead the whole series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/229">TS</a>]

00:03:50   and but don't nothing nothing that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/230">TS</a>]

00:03:53   pass he says to her I'm sorry I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/233">TS</a>]

00:03:54   sorry and I was like oh that's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   foreshadowing and then there's no payoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   I love the clear for the callback know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   about when we've seen Jenna Coleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01   inside the Dalek before right that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/241">TS</a>]

00:04:04   that was that was kind of nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   interesting use of divers here I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/245">TS</a>]

00:04:06   Julian bleach did a really good job is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   Davros i'm not entirely sure i buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   whole haha but I've double-crossed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/250">TS</a>]

00:04:14   haha but I've double-crossed you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17   thing that happens in the end but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/257">TS</a>]

00:04:18   are a lot of really great kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   johnston moments between them there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   interesting and the parallel between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   those two and then and then missy kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   of using Clara as her anti companion i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/266">TS</a>]

00:04:29   thought that was all kind of very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   clever even while the plot was kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   creaking along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/273">TS</a>]

00:04:34   yeah i like i like to very much the I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   was ok with the diverse you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   know that the chess game the one up each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   other even at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   because it seems sort of fitting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/281">TS</a>]

00:04:42   their given what they have gone through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/282">TS</a>]

00:04:44   those two characters over the last many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   many years and and as far as if i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/286">TS</a>]

00:04:50   glad that this didn't come back that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   didn't get more Daleks and moored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   avarice at the end made that already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   didn't ya and Lynn Lynn on Verity she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   has like that which he refers to as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/300">TS</a>]

00:05:01   the Steven Moffat rule any season that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04   written by steven moffat she just she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   refuses to really judge as a season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   until it's completely done and she comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   back she's always withholding judgment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   because he's always going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   something that you don't expect probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   and and i think i love the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   this episode like Stephen said got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   the nerds you know getting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/320">TS</a>]

00:05:21   conspiracy theories already it was none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24   of that probably the only little Davros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   thing that that bugs me a little bit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   the idea that he's just been keeping his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   real eyes closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/330">TS</a>]

00:05:31   this whole time yeah I thought he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34   have any eyes I just I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36   was that was maybe a little a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   step too far that he was able to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   his eyes and they looked so healthy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   young in that i did--like that he double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/341">TS</a>]

00:05:44   crossed himself too i think we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/344">TS</a>]

00:05:45   about it maybe maybe offline or online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   rather not a podcast that that uh he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   saying one thing a high fool you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   really he had had a real emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   moment with the doctor and there was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   know it was presented i think was active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   beautifully i think the whole bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   was I was like something's going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   but I thought maybe maybe we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   a different kind of insight maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   somebody double-crosses Davros comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   from outside this scene or the Daleks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   come in and in these like haha fooled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   you into grabbing the cable but I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   now you revealed a little too much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/373">TS</a>]

00:06:14   yourself i love those moments when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   transcend the script they transcend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   acting and they become that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   mythology that that has a it's routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   is rooted in emotion but it's also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   that was a great like deeply but many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   layers seen in the middle of a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   episode 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31   yeah I i like to think that Davros I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34   think you put said well some some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   he gave some more information out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   perhaps intended to and I i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   think that I want to think that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   gotten some insight and this wasn't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   just kind of a sham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/403">TS</a>]

00:06:44   that's part of his plot that we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   little bit of insight into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/407">TS</a>]

00:06:48   character i got just like showing him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49   a child you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   Davros had to come from somewhere and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/410">TS</a>]

00:06:53   somebody before he be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   name a monster and so to see that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   interesting i loved and I'll enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   listening to this we talk about it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   the opening TV podcast but we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   talked about it or I heard are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   talking about it on radio free Skaro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/425">TS</a>]

00:07:06   on on very the idea that this call back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/426">TS</a>]

00:07:09   to genesis of the Daleks and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   audacity of Steven Moffat to name-check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   and like reference in so many ways this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18   hallowed piece of doctor who classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21   Doctor Who cannon that that's ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   that I mean you gotta you gotta you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   gotta have guts to to to go there and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/445">TS</a>]

00:07:29   went there and and that moment that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   saw the fog kind of blowing across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   battlefield I was like oh geez its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   genesis of the Daleks and that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   what it was so full credit to him for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   having that the guts to do that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   select the political timing that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   you know would you kill baby diverse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   then then it's could you kill baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   Hitler was what like days later this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   translator please watch doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   wanted you'll get all the answers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   you need your passion to baby Hitler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   yeah and I i mean i like that none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   the plot machinations really came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/478">TS</a>]

00:08:01   later or any of the things except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   the confession dial but it it fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   automatically with things that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   on through the rest of the season which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   I really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/491">TS</a>]

00:08:12   yeah i love the sheen stealing bits by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   missy because she's so wonderful i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/495">TS</a>]

00:08:18   michelle gomez fantastic but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   i'm thinking of making this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   nonchalantly has jenna strong as a Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   strung up and then when she says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   something really clever like I maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   you're not sandwiches just for absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   immorality and like it's just it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   rare as a character that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/514">TS</a>]

00:08:35   unmotivated buy anything particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   except the desire to cause chaos active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   their own well it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   yeah she refers to Clara to as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/522">TS</a>]

00:08:43   the puppy in the relationship which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   which is actually something i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   have done before on podcast just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   about the doctor and how he looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   humans whether he wants to admit it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   not that you know that he doesn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   humans is quite on the same level of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   much as he tries and Missy just of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/537">TS</a>]

00:09:00   course is the kind of person who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   flat out state that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   right although i'm not i'm never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   convinced whether that's species humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   that way or he sees everybody that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   it's right breaking his own kind is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   way too i met so as much I agree I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   like the idea that we don't have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   big story in the beginning that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/554">TS</a>]

00:09:15   around in the end I think that was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   i didn't need to see that climactic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   Davros Daleks whatever at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   that said i am actually a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   disappointed that we didn't get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   michelle gomez because just great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   she's really great but they're clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   paving the way for future episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   especially know that you just her making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/571">TS</a>]

00:09:34   a deal with the Daleks and we never see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   actually what happens what the terms are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   and how they'll come back in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39   year and you know what's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/579">TS</a>]

00:09:40   next series here in series after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   sure and I mean she did get two episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   that's true but she's so great I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   I i I'm not sure I felt give me more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   missy right away at the end of series 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   but but at the end of this two-part I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   was like I don't really want to wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/595">TS</a>]

00:09:58   whole series to get more of michelle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   gomez as Missy because she was a she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   a lot of fun just that dear my dearest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   enemy business it's like how much she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   loves the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   yeah you know I think that was good with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   the with the Saxon master also on black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/610">TS</a>]

00:10:14   actor's name the wonderful Johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   Thank You Johnson was wonderful and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/615">TS</a>]

00:10:18   you know chudai mean live with a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   was bleeding when he was done it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   just so shoot up but just you got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   sense that they were in it together with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   the two of them they were boys together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26   they grown up together they have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   affection that was so terrible in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/628">TS</a>]

00:10:32   difference in how they approach the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   universe it would literally tear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   universe apart and i thought the Missy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/635">TS</a>]

00:10:36   what part was like a little slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   more general version of that she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   who would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/640">TS</a>]

00:10:41   well who else would he trust for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42   Christ's sake you know but also a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   imbalance a little stuff i don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   say stalkery but a little imbalanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/646">TS</a>]

00:10:49   where the doctors has a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   healthy connection to reality then then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   the master does and so and but I i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   this because this is as with any James [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/656">TS</a>]

00:10:57   Bond villain you know after a while it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/657">TS</a>]

00:11:01   did the conflict should be resolved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   the why is it not resolved and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   answer is you know in reality is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   we want to keep seeing them in conflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   but in the in the show I i think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   a very clever way of doing it which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/674">TS</a>]

00:11:15   all of them the master Missy they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   really want to kill the doctor they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/677">TS</a>]

00:11:21   want the doctor's attention they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   play with the doctor they want to be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/683">TS</a>]

00:11:26   traps are flirting you know and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   that's an interesting take on it that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   yeah that's a little bit meta but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   also I think fun to have that be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/692">TS</a>]

00:11:35   relationship began because of that use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   you do trust her I mean I you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   it was missing car running around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   the basement of the Dalek City there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/701">TS</a>]

00:11:44   and like you know mr. was sort of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   we'll get the Dalek it's the perfect way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/706">TS</a>]

00:11:47   to sort of break in and it's just a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   of like tricking Claire to get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   Daleks so she can become you know her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   personal killing machine but we believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   it because we we knew that missy is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/715">TS</a>]

00:11:58   of working towards saving the doctor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   some strange reason is because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   michelle gomez that that it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   believable performance and and I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   love her as an agent of chaos which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   gonna have one then again and as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   coyote trickster kind of character from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/731">TS</a>]

00:12:14   from mythology minutes she's and and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   was not a fan last year I loved her in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   this I was going to throw out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   Riddler to a little bit and where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   like you know just the Riddler really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   want to kill Batman a lot of times I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   think the Riddler just likes oh he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   playing with my puzzles yay right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   because it's fun to play with Batman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34   I get a little bit of that for Missy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35   he's the only one who answers them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   that's right that's right no one else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   will solve my dazzles Robin might I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   a plausible equal to as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   Emperor Palpatine like he gets a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   paperwork out of that whole situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   when I can determine that much else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   missy is is the case delight and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   she's doing and master he's doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   goes beyond that like destroying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   universe it's like no peace having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58   good time she had a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   alright let's move on and talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/780">TS</a>]

00:13:03   toby White House two-part episode under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   the lake and before the flood this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   the one you may remember with ghosts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/787">TS</a>]

00:13:10   Lukey goes on under underwater base and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/790">TS</a>]

00:13:14   then one of the things that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   was a clever structural thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   you essentially get part two before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   get part one where there in this flooded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   old area and then part 2 goes back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   time to see how it got flooded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   I think maybe less cleverly than I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   hoped it would get resolved but i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   think it's structurally kind of funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   yet to say what if we did a story where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   you see part two and then you see part 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   and then you see the resolution because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   that's what the structure is here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   you so you get to kind of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   feeling episodes and it's a base under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   siege and a bunch of kind of classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   Doctor Who stuff so what did everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/830">TS</a>]

00:13:51   think of this 1i I quite liked it i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   the the mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   i loved how quickly the the setting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/835">TS</a>]

00:13:58   like the the setting up of the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   happened because when I when I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   it was revealed that there's gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   two-parter the base underseas I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   would've expected a sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/846">TS</a>]

00:14:07   languishing part1 just sort of setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   the mood and everything but we knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   exactly what was happening before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/851">TS</a>]

00:14:12   opening credits rolled on that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/852">TS</a>]

00:14:13   episode and so the rest is just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/853">TS</a>]

00:14:16   left atmosphere and everything and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   love dumb i love many things i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   I love the the deaf person in charge i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   actually started off as a sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   conceited the story but just she became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   a strong character on her own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   I love the flashcards that the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   has in order to try and appear you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   human and sort of i have emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   compassion for people i quite enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/879">TS</a>]

00:14:42   that and um and yeah it was it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/882">TS</a>]

00:14:46   was really well directed I'm i think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   favorite part was the very beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   the second part where you know at time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   shows which is sort of try and disguise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   info dumps as a as a two-handed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/895">TS</a>]

00:14:58   conversation this info dump is Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/898">TS</a>]

00:15:02   Capaldi talking directly to camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   talking about basically what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   solution of the episode will be going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   with you know with with no protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   whatsoever i was just bold and fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   loved that although in those other call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   for to the fact that he's talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   Clara in his head in the end a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   heaven-sent is I mean because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/919">TS</a>]

00:15:23   same sort of scenario can be what could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   be i mean i think it's that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26   presented that same light and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   it's him being clever in his head he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   already knows what he's saying but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   saying it to ask the audience to his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/932">TS</a>]

00:15:35   know companion is not present as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   speaks it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   I never made that connection before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   that that makes perfect sense at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   time because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   don't like it when characters break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   fourth wall so at the time I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/943">TS</a>]

00:15:46   to fit that part together with the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   last scene when Clara is actually on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   TARDIS and I wanted it to stitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   together perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   so the doctor was actually explaining it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   to Clara however I've watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   episode i watched it like two three four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/958">TS</a>]

00:15:59   times or something like that now and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   the way that that the camera keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   moving and the way that the doctor keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   speaking to the camera in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   angles it absolutely cannot yes you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   there talking to because he keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   changing direction and she's nowhere to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   be found except he asks her about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   Beethoven so it's a callback whether she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19   understands and I guess exactly left to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20   the imagination but i like it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   reminded me of of of uh listen which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/982">TS</a>]

00:16:27   the same kind of structure where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   doctor is basically talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/989">TS</a>]

00:16:30   camera or is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   but I don't know I kind of feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   that if there's ever anybody who's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   to narrate his own internal monologue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   allowed as he wanders around it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   doctor and I just I love the bootstrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   paradox thing I I like how it's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:47   I like that he's got the guitar that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   plays Beethoven's fifth on that kicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   into the doctor who theme with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:52   guitar going in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   yes yes like the guitar so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   than I thought when they first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   introduced with the guitar i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59   what a gimmick and I I really adored as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   a unique and and your lively surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   element was great who knew that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   Peter old the oldest actor to be cast as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   the doctor in ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   Peter Capaldi would be at his best with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:14   an electric guitar some sonic sunglasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   and hoodie who knew I like that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   the bats the whole scene also ties up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:21   with with heaven-sent yeah and that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   think it all sort of takes place in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   if you will Sherlockian mind Palace is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:28   actually has talked to himself you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   that we are the again I mean Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:34   Moffat leaves no stone unturned in and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:36   notice turn some people off but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   no stone unturned in me kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   metatextual aspect of Doctor Who I when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   I was obsessed with Doctor Who in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:44   school I read the the skull basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:48   scholarly work doctor who the unfolding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   text which is a fascinating thing but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   was like it really opened my mind to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   idea of taking a silly TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   really seriously and and what I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:57   that Steven Moffat is that he does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   he he says why don't we do an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   about the questions we ask ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:04   about what why what why doctor who does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   what it does and this is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   of that where it's like he's talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   us we are his internal monologue we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13   his audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:13   he says he literally says what am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   without an audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   this ain't right unless you can look so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   Cara so I mean anyway you could say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   so that's winking and its fourth wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   breaking and all that but i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   think it's more than that I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:28   it's it's this character it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:31   unreasonable to understand that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   character is performing for at least an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   imagined audience if not a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   television audience and and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   throughout the season we see that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   and Peter Capaldi does well it'sit's i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   find it yeah it's a lot of fun and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   mean throughout he's done a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   job as a showrunner dwelling on on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:51   is story was story mean what is myth you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   know and and just sort of drawing all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57   these different things that with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:58   each season with each different doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   he's written for and and this was sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   of like the next step it's like okay now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   we're just we're gonna talk it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   just myth it's not just for retail I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:09   talking to you as an audience right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:12   pointed out stories is so true you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:13   back in the fifth doctor with the fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   doctor Cena we're all stories in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   and here it's it's it's really playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   around with the fact that the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   literally is a story is just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   giving up the pretense and now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   talking directly to us on any with Amy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   Pond the same that first the mat smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   season season 5 steven moffat first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   season was all about fairy tales right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:34   and and that the doctor was a fairytale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   and here we have something sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   similar to that i like it i I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40   i enjoyed i think that is as modern as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   doctor who gets and I i get people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   saying that they wanted they they'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47   to see something different you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   are in the Steven Moffat era now it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   closer to the end than just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   beginning and there will be a change in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:55   in leadership that leads to a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   runner who does something different but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1198">TS</a>]

00:19:59   I think we'll look back on this and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   on this area and say why Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   pushed a lot of boundaries and made some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:08   bold decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:09   22 question as a lifelong doctor who fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:12   to question how does the show work what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:15   what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:16   yeah what can we do that is not that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   outside the rules of the show or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   comments on how the show works and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:24   to have a talented intelligent schreiter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   and showrunner do that I think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   very special kind of error from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   even though i would also probably agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:35   that if the show was only ever this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   would be too much but it's not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   after this it's doctor who it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:40   something else again just as it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   something else before and and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   himself a lifelong fan too and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:47   both you know how do we make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   interesting but also how do i tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   stories in this show that's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   for 50 years that are different that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   have never been told in this way yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   exactly when he gets to settle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:58   cannon to there's things that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   probably been thinking about for decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:01   he's like okay this is kannan now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   thing that I wanted to say it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   that's great headcanon is now can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   although very fun i think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   things and this is skipping ahead a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   little bit and we will get back on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:12   MSO track here is where i found great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   restraint in some ways with him a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:19   like Howard's in the force awakens there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   are a lot of of details that are left to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:25   the to the audience's imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   I feel like Steven Moffat delights in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:32   the loose threads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   yeah and while he likes to pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   threads that he bothered him when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:37   a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:38   he also delights in leaving loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:42   threads behind for either his successors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   or just for the fans to drive themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   crazy about and and i love that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   it would be so easy to tie everything up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   with a bow and I do appreciate the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:56   that Steven Moffat does not want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:57   that he wants to leave messy bits for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1317">TS</a>]

00:22:00   the audience to get frustrated about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   I think he also wants to leave bits for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   you know the the alternate materials to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   fill in so books and Big Finish and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   mean he's he's he because he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   came from that world he is very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   doctor who think was actually a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   story I think he's cognizant of the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   that there are other professionals out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   there doing dr. great doctor who work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   other room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:22   homes and now I think he likes the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   that he has given them an extra little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   bit of a playground let's let's move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   talk about the oh and one last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   about episode 74 just tiny t-shirt is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   deals with story the fact i thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   was a very clever idea i've seen it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   before in other contexts including Snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   Crash really been no Stephenson is uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   this idea of rewriting the brains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   firmware and that idea that i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47   looking at some characters on a wall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   only did we actually saw it it rewrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   their firmware so that they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   this kind of weird electromagnetic echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   after they died I was like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   ingenious and interesting it 3i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   love that episode pair that much i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   the look more than the the plot there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   some great bits in it but that got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   for something I was very a very clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   bit but that was not exploited too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:11   was just sort of in the air as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   interesting idea that your your brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   hacked by just the act of seeing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   characters on the side of the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   inside the thing is realistic a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   linguistic programming spooky let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:25   take a break to tell you about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1405">TS</a>]

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00:23:36   helps get you fit a lot of people run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   i've been running on and off for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:39   last year but it's also really boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   and you want to stick something in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:43   ear holes maybe you'll listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:44   podcasts maybe listen to music this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:47   virtual race that makes running fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   whenever you're out in the world you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   head out to run five or 10 k with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   headphones in and the app immerses you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   any thrilling audio story it's specially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   designed to match the distance you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00   running so while you're running you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:01   hear zombies clothes on your heels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   you'll need to pick up the pace you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   hear fighter jets roaring overhead the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   ticking of a bomb that only you can stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   yet to run to get there a lot of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   clever ideas an immersive story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   also enter interacts with you and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   running and the zombies run virtual race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:18   you're not just running around the track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   you're running to save the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   you get a you when you enter the virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   race you get the audio adventure series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   that takes you from the start your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:27   training all the way to the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28   race you get a professional quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   technical running t finishers medal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   a bunch of other great gear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   Plus $55 its way cheaper and more fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   than a gym membership the first zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:41   run virtual race was held in October of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   2015 was completely sold out that 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   entries and a ninety-nine point nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   percent satisfaction rate so a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   race and a great story to focus the mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   while you're running there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   here's what you need to go visit zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   virtual race dot-com and if you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1497">TS</a>]

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00:25:01   five dollars off your entry that zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   virtual race dot-com and thank you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   zombies run for sponsoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   incomparable ok the girl who died the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   woman who lived this is a paired set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   episodes as opposed to a two-parter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   proper I think Jay Madison and Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   Moffat with a girl who died Catherine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   regret Organa wrote the woman who lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   we meet a shoulder she is a young uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:27   young woman in this village and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:33   girl who died there are aliens who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   not me i don't know taking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39   testosterone of the Warriors of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   village i guess and rent their Vikings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   it certs is still in my calculator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   precious bodily fluids let's put it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:49   yeah and so we get we get all of the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   that part 1 we get we get all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   the doctor also uh or is reminded why he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   chose his face which is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:01   little bit you talk about Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:02   kind of answering questions while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   bringing up other questions and then in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   the part 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   it's it's uh I like more than a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:11   years later and shielder who is saved by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   the doctor at the end of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   episode and made sort of accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   immortal he runs into her again by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:21   accident or r by plan and we discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   that after a thousand years she sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   can't remember things because she's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   a human-sized memory but but she but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:30   and she calls herself me because I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   that's she's the only thing that matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   didn't even need a name and we learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   more about her in that so this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   paired parent episodes that when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   watched them i thought we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   to lead to some more appearances by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   maisie williams from Game of Thrones not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   accurate she actually is in the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:48   as it turns out and watching his back i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:51   was i was a scanning through a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   these episodes today before we did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   I am impressed by the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   mystery of this season was made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   perfectly clear at the end of episode 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   where the doctor says I've made her a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:08   and he gets this look on his face and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:11   says she's a hybrid and and from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   perspective of the end of the season you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   realize that's the moment where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:17   realizes that he what he's just done is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:20   created a legendary figure in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   Gallifreyan history he realized he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   totally gets it at that moment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   that's what he's done but I'm till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   you've seen the whole season and gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   circle back around again you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   realize that i never really so now think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   about it so she actually the hybrid did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   cause what was said but she what didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:39   cause it to happen right it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   like Crouching in the in the wreckage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   Gallifrey she's there at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   yeah but she also sets in the sequence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   of events because the kind words are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47   afraid of the hybrid it's that circular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   I want to give Moffat credit for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:50   called back lever that she because he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   but I mean some of the stuff i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   read into much of his head canon but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   sets into motion by being there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   Californians have the production and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   then she an axe or does the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   gets the doctor to go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   punishment is so then what's up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   doctor deciding to destroy history to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   recover Clara and there she's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   ruins so it's very neat i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   the Marlins actually not that neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   because it's only one because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   the other so that's the other part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   the prophecy was that did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   ruined Gallifrey like destroyed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   billion hearts to heal its own another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:25   doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:25   wow that's not better ever so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   still it's still very much left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   headcanon which I love I like that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   very open-ended listen didn't I anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   up in and we don't know who the hybrid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35   is ultimately but it is funny that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   this moment first she's created by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   doctors compassion realizing who he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   and what what he stands for and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   why he does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   but but there is that great moment upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   reflection and and it's it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50   perfect thing because it is structured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:51   for people who have seen the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   season and are watching it again to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   oh look at that where he very clearly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58   like she's a hybrid and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:02   see it in his eyes that he he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   figured out who she is or as an inkling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:07   of who she is and that's all really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   interesting and then that becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:10   threat in this whole season which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   doctor does a good deed because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   who he is and he saves people and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   why he chose the face of Achilles who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   david tennant's doctor saved in Pompeii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   but it has ramifications because in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:24   case he's like with Captain Jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   Harkness who is who is named checked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   a later time because she now can't die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   and therefore is an anomaly in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   universe and they also mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:35   hybrid business in the first dalla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:38   two-parter and that's right them that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   the hybrid that that the Time Lords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   think is the legend that a half Dalek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   half Time Lord hyper exactly exceeded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   yeah I I thought it was interesting too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:50   that the throwaway bit that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   confusing is in the in the woman who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   lived they make another immortal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   that's it and we don't see him again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   well no because they didn't they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   say that he was necessarily more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   you said it may have burned out the chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   in order to actually bring him back so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:05   who knows i'm making that up he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   maybe right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   also also there's the fact that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   not i mean not exactly indestructible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   she wondered if she doesn't get harmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   exactly reason she live so long is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   because she's awesome and that every guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   didn't seem quite so awesome so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   wouldn't be surprised if you just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   his head lopped off accidentally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:23   some point could grow a new one but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   head is immortal but his body is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   carry out a convenient that's a text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   file so you get the face but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   Christmas episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   any other thoughts about I mean about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35   this is interesting setup of the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:38   paired like these are the I shielder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   stories about about the I mean the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:44   the first story is a fairy it feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   a very kind of like standard Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   story there are Vikings and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:52   and aliens it's actually my least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   favorite of the whole sounds I think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   favorite my favorite parts of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   two-parter were just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   heart-to-heart character bits between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   the doctor and a shoulder / me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   yeah and it's when they sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   when the brand it brought in that weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   lion and everything else that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:09   it kinda kinda distracted from anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   and Stephen space this space but what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   the episode Tom Baker series with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   the navigator all I know I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   hoping is gonna be a thorough from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   warriors game was not every i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   pair those at me I whatever the rep so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   there any spans love the hell yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   they're totally different space lion's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   mane anyw Spacelines yeah it's a credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   credit amazing williams who I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   you actually time don't how much screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   time she had in her four episodes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   Doctor Who she might have had more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   the whole last season of Game of Thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   oh yeah but I mean she gives four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   distinct performances of the shoulder in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   four episodes because she's aged so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   times in between and this is a girl who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   turned 18 during the course of making my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   series you know like she is a talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   young actress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   yeah it was great to watch him yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   had that I that's a moment same thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   of like because I had a moment during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   this season where I thought I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   think I'm use maisie williams as as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   next companion i did have that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   and I thought well no cuz she's on Game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   of Thrones and I thought how much work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   does she do for Game of Thrones really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   oh right i mean she's in like 15 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   of Game of Thrones every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   she's in very little of it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   that's how game of thrones works so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   know she yeah she i'm pretty sure she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   has more screen time and Doctor Who than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   in Game of Thrones this year how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:29   underrated one last little thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   like which is that the idea of placing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   you mentioned that she has a human mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   so she actually does not have it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   know in eternal memory she has a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   memory and she says volumes and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   it's sort of a gag and she's got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   know a library full of volumes of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44   diary there's no way in any given period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:47   of time she can review that enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   reclaim the memory that she lost so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   there is that a bit there but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   the idea of a boring immortality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   there's a in the the night of the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   you know he encounters that the sisters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   on Khan and karna and they say he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:04   oh yes the sister it was at the sisters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   of infinite boredom I've forgotten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   sea but he's contemptuous of immortality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:11   even as he has this very long life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   is now lived as long as the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   possible he threw all his master nations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   but I just like that idea that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   immortality comes in different flavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20   you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:21   the captain jack harkness flavor you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   the shoulder flavor the doctor is flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   of the oh he left flavor and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   and and another saying just watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   this are thinking about it at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   again after seeing the entire series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   another little through line is the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   that you have Clara's reaction to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:39   shoulder you know saying you know she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   just she's great you know I'll fight you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   for it and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   Clara actually does get to have her as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   the companion like our shoulders is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:48   close companion ostensibly at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   the entire series so yeah she didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:51   really have to fight the doctor for she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   just got her which by God I i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   see girl I want to hear that big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57   finished like now it's AII like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:01   because it when everybody heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   Maisie Williams in it and and that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   gonna play a huge part and then them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   much as Peter Capaldi's been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   about Susan in interviews leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   the series everyone thought that Maisie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:15   Williams going to play Susan in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:16   shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17   oh mom what I love what I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:21   Ronnie what I love is at the end we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24   yeah what I love it at the end win-win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   klar runs off fleas Gallifrey in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:29   TARDIS and takes with her companion it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   Susan who was of course the companion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   the doctor when he took a TARDIS fleeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   Gallifrey I just love the the parallels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:38   in that in that in that the fact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   know the outlandish fan theory was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   actually sort of born true in the end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   i wanted to mention something here which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:49   is and I've heard a lot of people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   the Clara has a shoulder as her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   companion here but shields lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   millions of years that'll yeah i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   quite sure I feel like they're both one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   another's companion at that point they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   both have different things to offer each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03   other at that point neither of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   really Time Lords they're just they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   very interesting characters in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   little tartness together it's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   the parallel but well I mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   both they're both immortal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   yes yes shield they're all right another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   son of mortality has live longer but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   car is the one who has actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   taking dr. lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   yes that's yours and she's the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   knows how to pilot the TARDIS so I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   I still see it in that way i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   shoulder might have taken dr. lessons at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:29   one point her Billy matters of existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   whenever the doctor wasn't happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:33   she's sitting there in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   armchair waiting for someone to show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   yeah the ruins of Gallifrey reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   manuals that's what I do that that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   be that could pick so let's talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   the episode 78 because we've only gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   to that point the the Zygons this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:46   interesting because it's a directs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   direct follow on from the 50th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   anniversary special which I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   surprised by and uh you know if we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   you we got unit i think i would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   that unit is poorly run as questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:01   budgets that appropriate given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   history of unit two guys place seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   they hey let's end our leader to america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:10   by herself in order to discover things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   you know I don't think you get for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   gets used particularly well I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   what they if they know what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   unit but why did like about this is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   have we get some more Osgood who is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   interesting character and is made way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   more interesting and less of a just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   fan proxy in this she's got a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   backbone since we discovered that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   that there were a pair of us goods igon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   human and one of them got killed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   missy but the other one didnt so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   an interesting twist and we get some uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:43   some really interesting stuff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   without with Clara as at whose were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:48   doing some stuff on her own and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   ultimately it culminates in a scene in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:56   the black archive back where we were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   the 50th where Peter Capaldi gives a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   speech about a war and about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   making easy decisions to go to war and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   not thinking about the consequences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   is performance wise one of I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   highlights of the season even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   know you could argue that it's wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   in an episode that does that can't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   up to what he does in that 10 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:20   span so you know what that's my that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   my take on it is i think these episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   are kind of a mess but there's a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   of little bits in it that were very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   and that Capaldi speech is for the ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   it's just a fantastic little bit i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   one of the big themes that over arch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   this whole series is that the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   consequences and repercussions almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   every single one of these these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   partners has something in there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   whether it's meeting dad process a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   or you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   turning me into a hybrid or in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   i love the idea that we are finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   seeing the fallout of what happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   the Zygons invading I mean they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   got to stay that's the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   that you almost never saw especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   classic who you got a little bit more in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   early knew who but you know the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   can't just run away from everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   anymore and now we're getting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   what happens after after the fallout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:12   sort of appears and the idea that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   are Zygons living among us on earth you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   know just hiding is is super awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   well I suppose the Cylons would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   be pretty ticked off about it from when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   they come back and find out find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   that I got into their how many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   people are frozen and ice underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   sea locked in a time log in and turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:33   out that almost point at this point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   Doctor Who timelines there are no actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   humans like they're aliens in the sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   yeah i think this is a sci-fi novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44   about that is never a short story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   everyone on earth actually being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   duplicated personally only if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   not all do it there's a classic science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   fiction story about how time traveler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   goes back to the crucifixion of Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   and discovers that everybody there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:57   time traveler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   yeah I know Jason and I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   episode 74 when the flash cast and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   remember saying like you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   lot of creates things in this but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07   payoff a better be good because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   just so many loose ends and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   feel like the payoff was was pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   i don't think that episode 7 I lived up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:17   as much but I thought a lot of stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   reckoned in 27 from eight and i quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   like the pair much more than I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   especially because the hole is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   thing where is she's not even being coy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   she's like we're both osgood and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   the ending where there's another Osgood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   you're like the potential for redemption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   is a theme of Doctor Who and most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   never take it most aliens he's like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   I could save your whole people they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:39   mad and then he has to distract them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   or they destroyed themselves when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   David Tennant's move right I'm will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:45   you this one warning well i'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   take it okay well then you're all dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:48   yeah exactly what's gonna happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   destroy everybody because that's so I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   sometimes actually the generalization so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   I mean people like Star Wars fans like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   to make a gentle fun i suppose of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   star wars proclivity to have like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   Planet has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:00   on one single ecosystem where we live on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:03   a planet that has hundreds of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   ecosystems you different climates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   things but no no other planets it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   either just eyes are just desert or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   trees but you can argue that doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   and sci-fi in general does a very bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:18   job in terms of taking an alien race and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   and and being so reductive about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   and saying well they are evil or there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   they are you know this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   aliens do land and one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   that I think maybe he's even a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   underappreciated about the design icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   to partner is designed guns this classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   Doctor Who enemy from the Loch Ness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   monster back in the seventies these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   episodes are all about a split in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   igon community on earth essentially this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:48   immigrant is icon community and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   are radicalized icons who think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:53   it's read only right that they not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:54   high hiding and then there are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   who just want to live their lives and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   course the parallel is probably to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   something like Syria where there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   refugee crisis and there are people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   just want to live their lives and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08   there are also radicalized terrorists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:11   among them and this the challenge of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   generalizing an entire group to be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:17   thing and I like that about this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20   i really like that these icons are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   monolith they don't this race doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   believe one thing that they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   schism they're individuals they take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   different sides of an issue we meet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   Zygons who just want to stay looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   like humans and living their lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   because they're basically refugees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   doctor refers to them as people alltime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   family room for children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   yes I also like the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   actually claim the redemption was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:47   important because that ending is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:50   powerful because what Bonnie the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   that she uh when she figures it out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:57   all when she says both boxes are empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   just like the buttons don't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   and then she achieves that moment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   like a satori moment like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   Zen thing of now that person's chief the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   new level of enlightenment and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:10   allowed to demonstrate it in that final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   scene weather now to Oscar to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   wonderful yeah what I what I loved about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   about capacities speech there is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19   think you know matt smith what I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   made a good speech in one early episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   and the writers I think henceforth sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:27   of always wrote big giant speeches from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28   because they realize he you know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   good at them and then it just became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   thing to fill time and I got tired of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:35   him to be honest the weather brings back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   attend there's a boat or speeches too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   many but this but this one capacities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:41   actually speaking to someone and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44   literally like 10 minutes of just him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   but because he's talking to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   specifically it just feels like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:51   you're you're locked in and I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:52   you know I i have I hold this two-parter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:55   in high esteem because it's when Eric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   and I went to the UK for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   and then washed in the UK and part 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   especially we watched it you know with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   family around the TV as as all British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:08   families have to have done for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   generations now and to watch Doctor Who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   on a Saturday night and then have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   episode be the one that we get to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   I thought ah boy this is just lucked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   it was it was brilliant my luck to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   watched in the original Klingon as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   was intended to be seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   yes in Powell I actually watched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   power 25 frames you get that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   those a second Dreamz the yawns it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:32   very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:32   yeah it is alright anything more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   this is about the minis icons or should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   we let bygones be anywhere episode 19 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   for some reason was no episode 9i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:43   understand this is a big black spot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   the season and then no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:46   so that's all right so sleep no more is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   next is we were now entering our non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   two-parter little pair here sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   morbark geddes controversial market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:56   good buddy of Steven Moffat they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   Sherlock together so it's unlikely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01   he's going to be kicked out of writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:04   for doctor who has been writing since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:05   season 1 but people over there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:09   of people who are allowed and don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   his episodes i liked sort of half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:14   this episode's maybe and not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   other half sleep no more the this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   story about the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:20   and men who come to life on that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23   station around Neptune and it's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26   found footage and there's no opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   credits and it's very unlikely doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   who episode in that sense I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   did I i do this episode with smiles on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:37   the TV podcast and it was funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   i think both of us liked some aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:43   it and not others and it was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   like we started the episode was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:46   that was kind of fun yeah that was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   of fun let's spend 15 minutes detailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   all the things that were wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   and I feel like it in hindsight that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:55   about right because style-wise i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:58   like the style of this episode i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2698">TS</a>]

00:44:59   is so big and dark and weird and and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:03   there are things in it that it's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   no what are you doing the the whole well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:09   we sort of slept and the sleep stays in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   your eyes if you don't sleep and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:16   becomes alien sand men that was slick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   though it doesn't make any sense what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   like doing entire shape of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   nothing in it was like everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   not was insane and the the you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   like the the weird hologram was just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   everything was dark and creepy and tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   and had a weird ending and all of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   liked and yet there's some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:38   no no no now I it feels like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   market has had the idea for us but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:45   some reason monsters being made out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   the ice not using the morning for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:51   but he but he couldn't get the clearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   from the song for mr Sandman so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   idea just SAT percolating for that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   and then he finally got the clearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2758">TS</a>]

00:45:59   and by that time doctor who had moved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:02   so it's a very restful t-day vez kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:05   idea around it just feels and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   know I thought well atleast episode 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   is going to be you know a single story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   too so won't feel that but then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   episode 10 was essentially part 1 of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   3 partner to end the season which just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   led this one too just feel so out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   place just like last year robot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   Sherwood felt just nothing like a Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   Capaldi episode stuck in you know early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:27   early on in this first season and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:28   would just look like it just I know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:31   like to say okay mark you get to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   your episode moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   again we'll put it on the fridge right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   there when you're done everyone could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:36   happy and that's just what it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   an ear I liked I liked the atmosphere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   like being so true yeah I know I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:43   the direction but i just got our mass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   this alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:47   well I guess I love some of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   my favorite uh one of my favorite David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   10 episodes is the is the the impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55   planet satan pit and it's for similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   reasons which is it's dark and weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   spooky and creepy and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:03   atmosphere i just love the atmosphere of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   those episodes and Gabriel Wolf's boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   you will die and i would live right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   love that and sleeping more has that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   it's like works on that level and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:19   it i think it was almost like greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   wants to wants to have his own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   blink moment you know don't blink don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   ever blink and they show shots of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   know various statues around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   they're gonna get you if you if you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:30   looking at them and that speech at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   end you know who you've got something at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   the corner of you I never thought no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   don't come on i do not have a monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39   forming in the corner of my eye you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   I it was we went to was a crazy November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   because we went to Long Island Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:48   Who convention where we watched this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   episode live on on on the Saturday night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:54   they played it to the whole auditorium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:55   and then two weeks later we're jakarta's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:58   for the plate heaven-sent and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   immediate reaction both during and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   the episodes could not have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06   yeah wewe a radio free scar had to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   live review of sleep no more own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   after like literally i'd say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:14   seventy percent of the people just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   of like you know walked out as if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   had just seen their football team lose a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19   game just like a walk back just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:23   them with the with the flash casts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   also just like with ready for Scarlett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   Verity being committed to reviewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   every episode you had that moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   like well what do we say various media I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:35   I again I don't think Sleep No More is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   complete failure because of because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:40   saying style is good i mean the style is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:43   not not part of the episode that is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   of the the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   and the style is great it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   know again when you get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   analysis of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   oh you know that's when it falls apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   it's actually like it's better to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   viewed and being like but once your or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:59   if you're in a crowd of fans right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   start thinking about it and it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   does not withstand scrutiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:04   I just as I feel like it is felt like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   early draft not a complete thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   they hadn't gone back and tighten it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   any more consistent which they did so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   well I mean you know we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13   this at the end with this season was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   phenomenal season and in this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   was not so it stood out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   sometimes I wonder about the politics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   it like interpersonal relationships of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   you know you're Steven Moffat likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   Russell Russell Davis free road almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   everybody i think except Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   Steven Moffat apparently doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   do that and sometimes I wonder that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:37   get these scripts that could probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   made better if the if and whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   over work or it's just difference you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   get a you get the scripts just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   through with women with perhaps I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   know the inside story here but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   not surprise me if market history got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   really light touch on it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   like kill the moon the previous season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:57   where I felt like it's interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   it could probably there are some very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   simple things that would have probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   made a stronger story but they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04   happen maybe that's out of out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   deference to Peter harness i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   don't know but uh yeah yeah i mean i-i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:12   think it's a I think this episode is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   kind of a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   even though i like a lot of things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:16   it the other thing that I like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   about it was in the the representation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   in it i like the casting and this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:22   nothing to do with Mark Davis unless he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:24   wrote the characters as at most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   characters as female which maybe he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   but i love the idea that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   asian woman who's in charge yeah and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   have our first openly transactor playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   the the grunt which some people did have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   trouble with but they did not know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   she was trans at the time that they cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   her in that role so I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:43   problem with it at all my trouble was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45   the casual sexual harassment that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   that person was engaged in against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   other crewmember but that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   thing that's not related to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:52   general Josie I loved that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   favorite part of the whole story because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   it was completely taking that that tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:59   old trope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   where there's you know the guy in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   position and flipping it on its head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   I think that sometimes those problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   things to me are less problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   because they are you know we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   break them down before we can get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   them all together so I like turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   things that turn things around and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   don't know that it was intentional in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   the script but probably in the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:21   planning for the season there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   thread of strong women through the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   season which is really interesting out i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   think i think that has to be intentional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   yes because Steven Moffat yes Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   Moffat may not be on Twitter anywhere he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   still pays attention to to sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   know what fandom as a whole is is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   and I think that I think that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   definitely sort of listens to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   feminist backlash against some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   stuff that people had seen and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   worked on that with with the casting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   gosh look at the end of the season it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   not there right yeah it's a also shout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   out to Neptune Neptune doesn't get a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   of love inside thigh here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   yep tune ya around Neptune okay that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:00   brings us to the either an angry person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:04   who was upset that i referred to heaven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   sent his part 1 of the two-part season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07   finale like it's a three-part season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   finale and that's part like well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:12   utopia sort of leads into the finale and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:16   face the Raven sort of leads into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   two-part finale quite the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   anyway face the Raven it seems like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   a standalone episode rapidly become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   something very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   this is the episode now I managed to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   where Erica's emotional progression is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   now because I've been listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   podcast which she is she is a because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   i'm a little behind on my very listing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   she's very emotionally compromised let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:38   say to pull in some Star Trek references [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39   about that the death of Clara which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:43   happens to face the Raven and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   happen and face the Raven Clara dies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   face the Raven we may find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   about her death in the inhale that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   we do but uh spoilers but well we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55   spoilers here but face the Raven so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   is there's a street Trixie we find from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01   from the delightful flatline from last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   ritzy calls he's got a tattoo that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   counting down which is a nice again a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   nice little creepy idea that's thrown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   there there's a little street that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   obviously available for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   the set of harry potter maybe I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   even know it's really an alley where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   aliens buzz it was and there's a bird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:22   and there's a chronolock and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   shielder is there or me is there and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:29   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   Clara is being very very clever in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   napoleon III have to honestly say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   exactly where I thought the doctor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:37   rose were going in season two and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:41   they didn't go there she just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42   accidentally sucked into a vortex to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   another parallel universe but here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:48   that like you're dangerous you'll become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:49   too much like the doctor and start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   think like him but as the doctor says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   he's he's a less what does he say he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:58   said something like he's less fragile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   then she is well he knows what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02   you know there's that the underlying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   thing that he can't die MIT but the ante [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   plot part but also that he knows when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   dies sort of mean that gets rewritten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   and we get around around take more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   damage than she can but she's thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   like to hear it and and hurts her and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   in the end it kills her in a in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:19   episode that I found very affecting um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:23   was shocked by it I I podcast with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   chips others right after this was over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:27   and the first five minutes of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   literally me going cheap what did I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   see what just happened because i had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   idea that they were gonna kill Clara and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:36   I was shocked by it and and I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:37   they did it right in that we spent time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40   understanding the ramifications of Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43   dying he didn't you know when you kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   somebody but you're not really killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   them you do it you gotta toss it off you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:49   don't invest the time and they invested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   the time to the point where as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   educated television viewer like oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   they're taking their taking this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   seriously this must be real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   they were playing that game which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   appreciated while it while it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:03   it shocked me and it upset me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   problem i had with this episode I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   interested in what all you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:08   problem i had with this episode as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   felt like the the the read the fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   print trick that kills clara was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:18   really set up I felt like it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   a cheat that the audience was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   cheated in order to not out think Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27   about this and that bothered me that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   like no no we didn't say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   couldn't transfer it and still not die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   her home and it's all kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   ripoff to me didn't change how affected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   i was by the ending but I did feel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   little bit like they were trying to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:40   a fast one on me in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   yes and yes yeah yep that's you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45   fine print of your death contract you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   know the the begin the bits and pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   of it are very effective but yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:51   key to that plot the key to that twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:55   just did not i don't think they sold it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:59   enough like now it isn't didn't I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   we're now so much time on her and trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:04   to understand that and not enough time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   on trying to actually explain and set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09   yeah you know I sort of like it just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   of a sudden oh you gotta remind Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   this PV at the end the episode so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   didn't get that the full weight of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   dying i was sort of annoyed at that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   I kind of got it retcon by episodes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   yeah let me enjoy it better well but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   other thing was the point that's got me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   but we'll get to 12 but I actually cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   everytime i watch tell Ben only twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   when she gets pissed off at him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:33   why would you do that why would you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   that for spending all the time in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   the confession dial that got me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:41   i was dead and gone just like off she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   that just hit me in the heart in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   that this episode didn't unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47   out to watch it again now that another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   speed about that plot point America how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   are you feeling now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:52   hey you know if it was any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   character other than clara who died this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   way I would have punched the air and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:58   been thrilled because I i often i often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:01   complain about the fact that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   characters on Doctor Who like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   it's such a risky proposition to travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   with the doctor I feel like a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   characters ought to die and and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   it when a TV show is bold enough to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   kill somebody off in a not big not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:17   schmaltzy sort of away like this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   boom she died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   however the fact that it is Clara my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   possibly favorite companion ever who I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   apparently developed more of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   emotional attachment to the night even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   thought I had kind of had my hopes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   that this would be the first new series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:35   companion who got to basically leave for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:38   an exciting and good reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   under her own agency we've been sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:44   written us into a corner at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:45   nobody can possibly want to leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   doctor because who would want to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   that kind of a life and that bugs me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   I like the idea that that characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   could just go and that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:55   things i think was better in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   series even though sometimes it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   really stupid but here we we have a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:03   of a great ending except that I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:06   her to go on to be awesome and keep in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:10   mind this is before help help and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   come along so I I knew that there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   good possibility that they were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   kill off Clara or make her leave before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   the series was over so about halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   through this episode I could suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   see where I was going and it became the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   most awful experience of washing talker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   who I think I've ever had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   I was just tense and I knew where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31   heading and yep that's where it ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   and I was just I was just shaking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   rage I was so upset but you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:39   always get mad at other people when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   write a doctor who plot in their head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   and it doesn't come up on the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:44   they get upset with the show Yeah Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   right here you know here i have sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   unwittingly done that so i'm not i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   actually mad at Steven Moffat for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   killing off killing off car I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   it was a wise decision from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   storytelling standpoint but emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   I just it wasn't ready for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   I i don't know that i will be ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   watch face the Raven again anytime soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   maybe not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:04   I still haven't listened and listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05   a whole bunch of Doctor Who podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   i have not listened to a single one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   about face the Raven including Verity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   beg absconded from that episode like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   was just like nope we're not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   honest I can't talk about it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:16   haven't listened to anybody talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   it sorry I didn't listen to you and chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   Jason were created later on is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:23   that's fine it doesn't know what did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   just do it it's like love it it was such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:29   a should I went on this is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   unspoiled I've been a doctor who season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   ever and I i love that about it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:37   was shocked when I got to this moment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   although so again some of this light is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   going said is the nuance that comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   an episode 12 where we get to see Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   again but I on one level it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:50   everybody dies right and and Clara at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:54   of hell-bent says to a shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   essentially stop worrying about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:56   essentially stop worrying about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3596">TS</a>]

01:00:00   all of us have an ending I know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:04   mine is but I don't need to go there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   right i mean that is I think that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   of beautiful in in a way to to have her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:11   her worldview be that but um but yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:14   is i just i would've felt better about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   it if I hadn't felt like the scripted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   and cheat a little bit in order i felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   like the script cheated to misdirect us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   but it wasn't playing fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   and so when we got there I felt like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   got cheated instead of not realizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:30   with it wasn't just that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   realize what the rules were along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   Clara because I'm Clara smart enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   as a character to not make that mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   i don't know i just felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   execution wasn't there where where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   wanted to feel like it was a fair you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   know a fair cop essentially we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   yep you got me right and I didn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:49   that the enemies in the Raven that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   what i wanted to just for Claire to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52   like oh yeah all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   the reason I think it's it bothers us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   is that and I'm speaking for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   here you go on I'll shut me down is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   the episode could have been devised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   slightly differently and we would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04   been satisfied it didn't have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   broken mechanism because it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   clever before and after and it set up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   the end the key that the key being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   sucked in his wrists to the teleport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:16   like all of the the ways to suck him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   into a mystery were great but they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21   have done the Clara misjudging something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:24   differently like being to taking more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   risk and knowing it and thinking she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   could have gotten out of it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   didn't give her that ability they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:32   her do something where she didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:33   it's like the Agatha Christie yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   can solve this mystery including things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   you never knew that's how you solve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:40   yeah I will somebody in the chatroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:45   mtpa just talk about can't you just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   the Companions choose to leave i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   that's one of the challenges with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   modern series by spending more count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   companions and making them seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:53   more reasonable characters you do often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:57   go down a path where the idea is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   such a wonderful life why would I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   give it up and so with the exception of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:05   Martha they have another whoo-hoo left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:09   because the doctor was a complete jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10   to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:11   yeah exactly exactly right is not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13   holes parchur but at least it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   different but the rest of them there has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   been something horrible but has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:18   because that's the only way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   definitely leave the doctor and I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   from the sense of amping up like oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   the time of my life why would I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:24   leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:25   I think of sarah jane saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   just just go you don't go with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:30   this is a special part of your life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:31   at some point it's going to end but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:34   think that it's difficult because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:37   know you portray this is this amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   magical thing which it is but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:40   you're not going to have them the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   none of the actors stay on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:44   longer than three years right so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   have to leave at some point and you end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   up having to create these but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:52   difficult circumstances for them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:55   depart because you've portrayed them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   somebody who would never willingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:58   choose to leave with the problem is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   Clara actually got to that point last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03   season where it makes sense for her to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   quit and she didn't so they got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:09   and then it blew past it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:10   yeah it made sense for Amy and Rory too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   because they just sort of left at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:13   end of the god complex and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   have been a natural and for them to ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   but they always seem to have to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:19   for one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:20   which I'm okay with look for McLaren I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:21   like the power of three I i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   idea of Amy and Rory kind of like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   part time companions and that's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   you know I would have been happy if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   had said we're having another baby and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   we're going to retire from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   time-travel doctor instead of it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   well angels or even know baby like I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:40   yeah I don't be a baby is another that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   just another gimmick and I i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:44   idea is over to my children Erica people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:48   do have babies and settle down it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   thing that a lot of people do it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:51   like a good excuse our doctor pound sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:54   look our last baby getting kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   messed up because you so not this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   but see that's just it's an excuse i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   like the idea that people would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   leave to choose to to to to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   else that they could still be traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07   with a doctor in theory you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   they just decide not you and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   because somebody has chosen not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   travel with a doctor i think i think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15   lot of times viewers and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   showrunners are thinking about it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   that ok well if we have somebody who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   chosen to leave then well you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   do we do the doctors gonna want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   back and visit him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   yeah but that can happen off-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   exactly to create months artificial New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   York boundary that the doctor can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   in for some reasons exact but just so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   can't see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:35   alright heaven-sent heaven-sent were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:38   into the two-parter now duh it's peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   capaldi one-man show live on stage one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   night only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   well many men like this is so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:47   the doctor in his what we've discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   is the confession dial he is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:51   essentially tortured and interrogated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:55   and it's just him and a figure in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:59   cloak and at the very end of pep talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   from his sort of head Clara and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:08   don't know what I I you know I i loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:12   it because it is just a full-on Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   Capaldi and I knew what was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:17   going to happen actually ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   one of things is very clever about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:21   episode is I felt like I knew what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   going to happen from the beginning which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:25   is that it was a loop and he done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   before and we get to the point where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:29   realizes it's the loop is and he's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:30   it before i go haha i figured it out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:33   now we're at the end and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   episode goes on for another 15 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   so that part was kind of genius where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   it's like and then he's going to dig a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   little bit further into the wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   harder than diamond and extend for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:48   hundreds of thousands and millions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   billions of years in order to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52   end which was just a mind-blowing kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:55   of ending to an episode that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57   was just fantastic because it's um it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   all Peter Capaldi and he's great and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:02   as a gimmick episode goes and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   kind of a gimmick Episode what if we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:06   an episode with just the doctor in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:08   it's a I thought it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   fantastic one of what does everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:11   else think well I loved it i didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:14   try to think about the puzzle I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   enjoyed watching it in the moment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   and i would have loved it going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   it and see it two and three times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   four times and I don't usually watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:24   these four times within like three days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:27   that's this burrowed into my brain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:30   one of those bugs in Wrath of Khan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   and it wouldn't like oh it's just I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:34   like I was in a loop myself and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   watched it and was just swearing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   staggered and i watched it again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   again i think i've watched it five times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43   and I'm only forced will start you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   watching it more and then I read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   script when they posted the scripts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   scripts have some of the the missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   back story about why the words on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   wall you know obviously change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   drinks shooting or editing some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   that didn't make entire sense actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   suddenly make this feeling that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   little gap of like a part of the puzzle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   was actually thought about but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   know if this is my favorite doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   but this is the one that most appeals to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   the way my brain works and i just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:10   that same feeling of like watching at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4030">TS</a>]

01:07:12   the fifth time I still got more out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   it i think it's an incredible expression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   of trouble expression and i miss comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:19   out in episode 12 but I'll say it here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:21   first is that i was delighted that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   wasn't about romance so is delighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   that was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:26   yes doctors integrity and his feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:29   for her that were his feeling of of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:32   duty of care as he puts it but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:35   plotline wasn't like I'm so I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   Rose number ten on ten romance was real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:40   and good i like that and had its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   integrity but this was about him being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:45   the manager is the thing that is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:46   which is always so hard everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:47   walks away everyone else runs away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   he has that moment of crisis of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:50   confidence in which he the head cleric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   comes and talks to him and tell him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55   get off his ass and then he's like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:56   well I was 7,000 years let's try for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   12,000 on so delighted i think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:02   well it'll still don't think didn't few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   years to come and it probably looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:07   probably one of if not the best talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:09   episode ever made everyone has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   calling a one-man show i called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:12   five-person show that being Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:13   Capaldi Steven Moffat Rachel talalay who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:17   directed it Murray Murray gold whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   music I think has never been better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   will always want who edited it including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   that three-and-a-half minute montage at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:24   the very end of his beautiful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:27   mentioned the i mentioned that Chicago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:30   TARDIS screening that i watch out i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   seen it i think twice that they like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:33   was at risk as of overseeing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:36   episode I Majesty it twice before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:37   actually even show it on the saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   night at this convention and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   I'll just sit in the back check Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:44   and stuff is this thing that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:45   probably gonna be sick of it and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   think I cried two or three times during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50   the course of that like at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   that big montage when the doctor you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   know we finally get to the whole wall is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   this person I think that's one hell of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:58   burden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4138">TS</a>]

01:08:58   everybody just a plot a nicer oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:01   then when the you know the cameras Wells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   up and it's Gallifreyan there and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:04   a huge amount of applause I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:07   remember seeing day the doctor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09   theater and thinking that was a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   experience in this almost talk that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   was just watching that episode with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:17   crowd who just equally adored it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:21   wasn't watching Sleep No More just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:25   it for a magic line and when we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   lucky because on bringing free scarves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:31   0507 i think it is a five-member I'm my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:34   co-host Warren lives in Vancouver where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:38   Rachel talent lives and so we actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   have sat down with her for about an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:41   and a half and and talked about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   directing these two episodes and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   hearing how it was made and the German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   Expressionism influences that went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   this thing I mean it's a masterpiece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   I adored this this episode I i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:55   was so emotionally fragile after seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   face the Raven I i had i had considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:00   just not watching Doctor Who for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   because emotionally I just didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   I was ready for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:05   however I'm not a doctor who podcast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   that would have been kind of to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:08   cultivate out so I was like all right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:09   will just suck it up and i will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   where it goes and and hopefully it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   doesn't you know kill me again and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:15   think this was for me personally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:19   most perfect type of episode to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   after an experience like that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   you know it's it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:26   dwelling on Clara's deaths in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:29   feels like it's you know that pouring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   salt on the wound it is it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34   supposed to be about the doctor kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   dealing with Claire's death but in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   story he never gets to because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   always just reliving the same point he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   is having to deal with you know in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   of our eyes having to deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   freshness of her death over and over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   over again but i didn't have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:51   that way like I actually got to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:54   this from an outsider's point of view so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55   it gave me time to sort of bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:58   and.and deal with her death emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00   even in a way that the doctor wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   able to and it it was just it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05   clean and pristine and just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:09   everything about it felt different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   enough from Doctor Who that I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   felt like I was sort of taking a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   bit of a break from Doctor Who and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   don't think this episode works with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   a Stephen said I don't think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:20   episode works with a different team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   I think you needed all of those pieces i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   almost never noticed the music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   Doctor Who and yet I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:28   amazing here the first time the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   sees the ancient picture of Clara we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:34   Clara's theme played very lightly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   with this weird effect on it that almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   makes it sound kind of wobbly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:39   backwards or underwater or something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   was just they were there were so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42   little touches like that and and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:45   we've had some really wonderful actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:47   play the doctor over the years but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50   think that that Peter Capaldi is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:51   only person who could pull this off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:54   the way that it that it actually worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   it was it was just so fantastic and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:58   mean you know when I even did get little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   glimpses of Clara throughout the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:01   III didn't realize that actually was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:04   Clara standing there when you get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:05   shots of her back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:07   I assumed it was a mannequin or standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   but no this does really Jenna Coleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   was a standard I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   obviously a standard and i found that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   Thun I was like I don't know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:16   don't know whether he was it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   hurt because I felt like ya la said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   on radio and scar oh so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   yeah dad made originally shot some shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   with its stand and talalay just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   like the look at the shot so they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   Jenna Coleman to do it it's which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:31   which is weird because it is her but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   doesn't look like her which candidates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   ready for using a different blaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   sometimes it's not so we're so cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   about TV production that we think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40   think I mean the way the episode is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   structured you are meant to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   of course she's not actually in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46   because she left the show writing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   that is the beauty of it is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:51   you'd show her right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:52   show her if it was her and so must not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:55   be here so when you see her you you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:58   that oh she is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:00   yeah at the right moment where before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:02   when she's just sort of facing the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:04   you don't have that kind of emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   attachment because it could be anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   you know it's a representation of Clara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:11   until you see your face and hear our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:13   voice it's not that's what the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:16   with Clara appears and maybe an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   international it sits in serving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:20   abstract is a representation of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22   companion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:23   yes he always has a companion and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   yet if if she had shown her face any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:28   earlier it would have distracted from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29   the rest of the episode even if she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31   didn't say anything even if the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   scenes were exactly the same otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:34   just the assumption that it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:38   her huh is what sets that apart if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:42   you had seen her face that would spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:43   the effect i agree i think it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   nice think I you know I look at the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:49   always thought that they were ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50   but the audience appreciation figures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52   for every episode that the BBC doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:54   this guy a kind of a a a poor score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:58   I mean it's a good score but it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4438">TS</a>]

01:13:59   worst of the whole season and I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:02   that's hilarious because everybody I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:04   talked to who watch doctor who looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:06   this episode and says it's basically an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   instant classic this is going to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:09   episode we're going to be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:10   for years to come as a classic Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:13   Who episode so I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16   people on the way I polar thinking but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:19   it is i think i think it's a classic too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:21   i think you know I i think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   people who would have responded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:24   favorably were too busy crying at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:26   room where the monsters are no monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   and that's just a veil there's a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   stories here there is a monster it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32   strange but I i had a I felt like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   actually solve the listen problem where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:36   we never understood who was writing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38   the chalkboard and listen and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   like oh it is braces my it's like ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   yeah I mean talk about the amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   things that are in this episode we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   inside the doctors head like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   inside the doctors head and his little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   head TARDIS that he's got any speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:51   singers out and and you know he likes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   have an audience as we mentioned earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   and all we get to see all of that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   which is kind of amazing where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:01   talking to essentially he needs a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03   companion he needs an audience and if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   doesn't have a companion he will create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   a companion to talk to but he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08   have one that's i love the heat that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:11   just flat out says that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:12   he's trying to show off it actually uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   the phrase showing off and it and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   right that that's just what i was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   to say is the idea that we're getting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   see inside the doctors head is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:23   and fascinating i mean back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:24   the days in the wilderness years when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   there was no Doctor Who on and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   were all these these novels The Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   Who new adventures one of the edicts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   about those books was that the writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   were never allowed to write what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   doctor was thinking you only were able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   to see we know the doctor from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   outside that was the way it had to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   I think the idea that we're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:43   inside the doctors had been getting some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   of his thoughts is even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:46   revolutionary than it would be on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:49   other show okay i want to point out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   the dolly zoom only because the bit at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:55   the end with the doctors saying they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   he says it in and that this is that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:00   others he says a I now's the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:03   remember each for every time this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:04   when I remember and they do that pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07   out where the zoom thing i just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:08   this long article i think from Joe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:10   rosenstiel appointed people to it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   the the history of the dollies and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   you get that the background gets further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   away or closer together because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   pulling the zoom while they moved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20   dolly backwards and use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:22   you're assuming in while you're pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:23   back jaws is a good example yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:26   Goodfellas has a really slow one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   and I was like exactly yeah and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   like oh ok that's that great shot and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   was so perfect because that telescoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   of time it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:35   yeah very effectively that the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:38   that we don't we don't go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:39   minutiae of the episode but the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:40   kept going back to was that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   constructed a puzzle with these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   that didn't make sense but felt right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   that they didn't make sense usually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:48   feel like flaws but like why is shovel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   into places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:51   Wendy Barry I didn't get the Octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   stone i cannot get through the Octagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   stone was the thing buried in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:57   that looks like a grave until they read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4617">TS</a>]

01:16:59   the script and well I think that when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   think I like second viewing I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   know that's what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   I just wasn't me this but it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:05   when you see it but it's a but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   there are little bits and pieces of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09   fact that there's a some kind of looping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   problem with his clothing in the fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:12   but that's okay because within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   context makes sense it was easily be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   closed for the next for the next Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:20   yes we don't know who prime that loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   and he says all the rooms regenerate but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24   i think it's okay that the rules are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:25   slightly you know talk to the numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   skulls doesn't exactly match as many as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29   would be there and so first and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   first time loop he just does the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32   half of the episode naked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:33   fortunately we didn't see that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   so I was thinking or in a robe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37   where I hell-bent is the last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:40   soda in a classic you know Steven Moffat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42   has this thing about like two partners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   but don't feel like two partners and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   this is that this is this is a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   returns to Gallifrey and it's all kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:53   of a scheme to save Clara by pulling her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55   out of time but he also we also deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:58   with this is in many ways a sequel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   the end of time and a little bit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:03   50th anniversary episode as well we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   a new Rassilon who is who is exiled as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:10   well as the rest of the High Council [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:11   because the whole question of like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:13   awful people who did these awful things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   during the time low time war and how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   you deal with them and the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   that the doctor basically sends them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:20   away like it's not not bad and he tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:24   to save Clara by extracting her out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:26   time they the end and going down into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:30   the depths of Gallifrey in order to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   of avoid capture and they ultimately end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:36   up at the end of that the restaurant at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:38   the end of the universe with a shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   and uh and uh in in a delightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:45   surprise although maybe not surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   from mr. everybody lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:50   Steven Moffat Clara and the shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:54   steal a TARDIS from Gallifrey themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:57   essentially or Clara steals it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:59   doctor and then Clara and shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:01   runoff in the with its broken chameleon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:04   circuit to have their own adventures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   presently Big Finish audios to come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:10   I'm and we get a happy ending other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:13   the fact that if we get the reverse of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   what happened with Donna which is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:18   this case the doctor huh that it tries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:21   to do a Donna kind of thing to Clara and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:24   she says no not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26   you're not going to do that and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:28   a kind of a packed on a 50-50 chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:31   having their memory wiped and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   doctor doesn't remember the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   Clara at the end and that sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36   little tragedy that is wrapped around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:39   this episode so you know the universe is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:42   never in peril by the way in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   episode other than I guess if the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45   blew it up in order to save Clara but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   would have blown it up and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   feel as operatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   some ways is the other episodes that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   many times that the universe has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:54   blown i know it's all of reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56   falling apart I was peeved that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58   didn't show it initially I was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59   this seems like something missing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00   there's like no it's actually a former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   restraint that they don't need to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:04   you something just as many about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:05   characters it's that the ads about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   characters it it took me a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   viewings to get over the fact that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:12   wasn't heaven-sent because i was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   basking in heaven yet when I saw this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:16   and I didn't realize that ok this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18   completely different than that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:20   episode I need to give it full do and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:23   loved it for what it was i I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   like how crazy weird it is i love how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   capacity is basically silent for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   first 15 20 minutes of the episode the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   counterpoint to heaven sent it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   individually finally sort of just shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   up and you know it says get off my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:38   planet and everything and now that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:41   know I think there but he probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:44   talked about most this episode already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46   while talking about other episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   earlier in the season but I just love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   how you know everyone's giving sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:54   it an agency at this point out that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:56   in retrospect everyone thought that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:58   Donna Noble finale was was tragic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   analysis almost kind of aggravated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   because she was never given a choice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   here Clara has a choice he takes control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   he takes agency with her life as his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:10   maisie williams as does um you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:13   basically the whole thing from right out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   with run by superb female characters by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:18   the end even though it started out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   story is male like the the general who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:23   regenerates back in time that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:26   we were talking about earlier about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:29   Steven Moffat likes the leash loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   threads and I think this is the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   loose thread that he's leaving basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   paving the way for a future show where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:38   because i don't think it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:39   cast another doctor during his time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:40   the show to basically say everyone it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:43   cool if we have a female doctor and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:46   we if the next person who follows me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   doesn't have essentially created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51   female doctor and clara who will travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:54   around the TARDIS on her own so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:56   it kind of both kind of paved the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:58   and cushions the blow if there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:01   female doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02   post Peter capacity and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:05   just a marvelous way to just a wrap all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:07   yeah aight aight i liked it in my head I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10   still at especially the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:12   watched it in my heart was was not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:15   over the the Clara thing and and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:18   appreciate the fact that she does get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   go off and have more adventures and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22   love the fact that she has agency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   gets to make the choice about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28   not having the doctor just erase her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:29   memory without her being able to say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   to that but we always joke on Verity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   linen and ever always saying that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   may think maybe Steven Moffat has when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   he took over the show he made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:38   checklist of all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:40   Russell T Davis did that he don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:43   to say he needed to fix them but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45   things that he thought were cool but was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47   like I would do it differently this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49   because they're an awful lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   that have we've had some similarities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:53   where he has had switched it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:55   changed it and this is definitely a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:57   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:57   a lot of people had real trouble with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4977">TS</a>]

01:23:00   with Donna has you know but lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   consent at what was what was done to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:05   and here we have a similar thing and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   love the way the episode is structured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   in that we don't know at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:12   what happened like we we think that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   Clara that has forgotten the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   right and I I totally bought into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:18   all the way until we get to the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   then we find out know what's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   the doctor that has forgotten about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24   and I love that he has he still has his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   memories of the things that they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   together in the places that they went so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   it so it's not like he's missing a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   chunk of time it's just all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35   pieces that are so emotionally resonant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:38   and all of the pieces that are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:40   really related to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   that's what's gone and i think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   that's just wow I got some really some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:47   real talk about that cuz i went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:48   cancer treatment in 1998 and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:51   chemotherapy for six months and I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:54   can't say that the writers and see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   often anyone else talk to people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   amnesia or gone through chemo but i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:01   I couldn't tell you how much i identify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   with that I didn't lose my memory but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   after having chemo I missing pages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:08   it's this feeling of I've described it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:10   almost exactly the way he did in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:12   episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:12   of your walking down the street you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   over and you know there was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15   there and there's a hole in the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   and you walk around it you feel it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   your tongue like an empty socket where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:21   tooth was and you can't for the life of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   you remember what that was and I've met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   people from before chemo and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:28   a lot of people were a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:29   from my childhood but its pages torn out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   of the book and there's people i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:32   from college who are sometimes upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34   that I don't remember them and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   don't have those memories are remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:37   the memory of them and not themselves so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39   I think they got that kind of residence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   and was very personal for me but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44   absolutely perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:45   yeah I i it's it's it's a soft tragedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:48   it's a tragedy and yet he knows the lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   this is the lesson we learned early in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   the season and set up with me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   which is she has the books and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:59   knows that she's met Clara before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   she doesn't remember meeting Claire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   before and that's what the doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:04   memories like now is he knows that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   things happened but doesn't feel them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   anymore and it's a tragedy but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:11   tragedies go you know there are worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:13   ones to have and and it is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   reveal when Clara goes back in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   the back of the diner and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:20   original tardis console and me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:22   waiting for her and then they take off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:23   and leave the doctor behind with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:26   TARDIS it's a I got some questions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29   the timeline of like he says that it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   it he can't find it but he obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   seems to have just arrived because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35   they've got his TARDIS and it's a I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:38   little confused about some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:39   details but I don't care it's fine it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   it's poetic and beautiful and it allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   me to have headcanon involving Amy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:46   Rory and river meeting that Smith inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   a diner that is actually Clara's TARDIS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:51   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:52   oh my god right I'm sure is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54   intentionally beautiful right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:57   it's a wonder what a great way to end we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:59   get we get got kind of Gallifrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   resolved in a way we get Clara and me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:04   this alternate set of of doctors or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:08   doctor and companion we we get to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:11   TARDIS getting stolen from Gallifrey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   having its chameleon circuit broken we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   get the beautiful redress Abby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:18   recreation of the original TARDIS with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:22   lots of details from William Hartnell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23   and Patrick Troughton just this just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:27   much it you know Steven Moffat shows in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:30   this episode i think that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:33   probably nobody on this earth who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:36   spent more time thinking about doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   who said Stephen laughs that's ok and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:41   andrew davis dammit he's gonna use all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:43   of it we can also we can now have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:46   Clara and a shoulder go off for me go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   off and meet up with the doctor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:50   daughter where they can pick up all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:53   the doctors and other doctors mother get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:56   the and maybe I can never I'm sorry my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5216">TS</a>]

01:27:02   brain is preggers Ramona no come on home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:05   run out for Ramona stupid for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:07   bit on companion Ramona but if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:10   we have all these in the river song of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:11   course we have all these that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   ladies and Missy they could all have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15   very interesting a trip together charges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:18   yup locker room and yeah I I just again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:21   I I i liked the shape of this where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   was on one level huge because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   end of the universe and Gallifrey all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   that and another another level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:31   I really appreciated how this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:33   series ended with a quieter in a way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:37   and more limited in scope and more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:40   personal costs and people and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:43   doctors loss of Clara and trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:45   her back and I like that I like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:48   was not not every I'm not every season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:50   needs to end with an existential threat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   to universe for God's sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   yeah it was it was intimate if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:55   were a bunch of explosions and flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:57   Daleks and stuff it was intimate they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   sitting in armchairs at the end he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   yeah I love that one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:02   lines you know as he rises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:04   you're sitting inside and energy bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06   me how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   hi sustaining and she says brilliantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   that's not the douglas adams line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:13   graphically yeah yeah I like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:15   started as a Western that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:17   a so he tries alive it and is it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   like Doc Holliday or somebody's we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   to put takes office nicer code you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:24   someone that's more severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:25   there's a there's a standard sheriff's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27   care come sure is coming in our outlaw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   you know that kind of course I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:32   scene with him eating the soup and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:33   those of townspeople in the dry lands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:36   just staring at them yeah I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:38   where it came from it was fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   it was aight i like how I'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   they made the return of Gallifrey seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   like a big thing but then it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:47   become a big thing and I think had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49   had the sort of you know because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:51   planted the seeds of finding the Yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:52   Freight at the end of the day of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:53   doctor and he could have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   always huge epic we're gonna go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:58   the time when everything but no the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:00   reason the doctor wanted to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:02   Gallifrey again was basically so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:03   could save Clara yeah and that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:06   and then you sort of left him hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:07   their own devices again which I quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:09   likes we found it and then put it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   again so we don't necessarily need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:12   see it again right but it sits there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:15   be dealt with but it's not and we didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:16   get into Time Lord politics all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   boring stuff right that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20   interesting about Gallifrey it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:21   like it's a Gallifrey is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:24   because of what it means about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:26   doctor and who you know what the in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:28   case how they they say player and steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:30   a TARDIS but it's not the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:32   Time Lord society beyond that I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:34   people we saw Gallifrey where the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:37   poor people who live in the dryland yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:39   millions which is where he grew up out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:42   in that barn you know that's i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:45   that that that's what we see and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47   hit he has to drop his weapon and he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   a spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:50   yeah that's possible robot of Sherwood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53   call back you'll ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55   I just like it's a place where people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   mean i love the come up into Rassilon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   that was just great and just the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   where there's nobody important either no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02   witnesses like you noticed on the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:05   showing up and it just all felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:06   legitimate i think it was interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:08   recontextualize him as you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:10   former ward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:11   after that you can have this seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:13   he's a he's a war hero he its loyalty to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   loyalty to the war doctor is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:18   happening here and he saved the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   oh you can save them all he did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:21   wrestling is cowering at the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:23   yeah that's cool surprising 50th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:27   anniversary special residences that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:30   i did not expect to get the season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:32   alright uh before we before we wrap it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:33   up we should talk about at least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   little bit there was a whole TV podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:36   about two husbands of River Song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   Erica you don't like River Song I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:43   finalized I like to river song better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:45   the longer you know fit the longer we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:48   went on I didn't like her at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:49   beginning a lector later but then we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:52   here I I think rivers it's cool that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:56   there is a river character she just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   she's not she's not for me and I never I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:03   never liked the the sillier doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:06   episodes almost ever so so the Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:09   ones generally aren't up my alley either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:12   so I I in theory kind of enjoyed this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:16   like it was alright to watch I I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:19   always think that Steven Moffat writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21   his it his couples as if they are in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:25   1940's ya squawkin man brightly but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:29   which i love i love the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:32   less screw of the screwball comedies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   from from back in those days and yet i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   don't really love it in Doctor Who so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:38   well I thought that this was way better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:40   chemistry between river in the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:42   then i ever got from from matt smith or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:44   david tennant it just it was alright i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:49   love i loved it i I loved it it it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:52   felt exactly the right level of silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:55   and fun and I thought like a good use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:59   river and a great interplay I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:01   you know Alex Kingston Peter Capaldi the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:04   the age difference between Alex Kingston [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   and matt smith was very interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   Alex instant Peter probably i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10   if it's that they're closer in age I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:13   don't know if it's just Peter Capaldi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:14   and alex kingston have a connection but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   i just love them together and i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   that she didn't that he had the upper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   hand on her because so much river song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   story is that she has the upper hand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:24   and.and I love that uh that moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:29   she realizes that it is him and amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:32   and he cares about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:33   it's not just that that's him but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   it's that that he wouldn't be standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:37   here next to me because he doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:39   the sunset is I'm going to love you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   and it's like he wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   oh right because it's so it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   simultaneous like this is him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   it's been him all along and he does care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   is that what he said your phone hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   school me perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:53   yeah yes that is the unhinged smile that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:56   I think is that i would say this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58   through line from the doctor who cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:00   all the doctors it is they don't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   but I think it's a through line is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   the doctor can look completely unhinged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:06   and Tom Baker had him stay in and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:10   can see p christopher eccleston there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:12   are times that he would just be saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:13   something and his face would light up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   you like oh my that person is off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:18   like practically off the rocker and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   think peter capaldi has a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   devilish smile that came out a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   this episode that just hit that right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:26   the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:27   I liked it but I mean anyway after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:31   heaviness of series 9 they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:33   needed and they do they needed sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:35   lighter screwball kind of thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:37   going to go over at 515 as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:39   eight or 830 as most of Syria and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:42   out but knowing all that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:43   honestly for the first time ever in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:46   life I think Star Wars and doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   actually intersected and competed for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   infections and so I was I was so in star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:54   wars the force awakens bowed having seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:57   I think twice maybe three times before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:00   Christmas I can remember now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:01   and so I was gonna like high so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:05   talk to who now and so I kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:06   kind of when I feel like I didn't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   it its its its full attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:11   the first time I saw something i watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   three or four times and unlike the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:14   each time but I you know Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:17   that's all star star wars on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:18   Christmas this year for me I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:21   I think timing really was against it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:23   in two ways because I having seen star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:25   wars with Stephen every time and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:26   so wrapped up in it I felt that same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:28   about it but also I think the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:30   the series ended so close to Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:33   Joe didn't give us that same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   breathing room that were used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   angry so I was still not only just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:40   Star Wars mode but I was still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41   in that emotional place that series 9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:44   had left me and I didn't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:46   time to chew it over and let it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:48   digest quite right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:49   like I like you normally do so yeah SEI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:53   I spent an hour with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   christmas night talking about how I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:56   loved it so i don't i don't have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:59   on and on that you know go listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:01   TV episode III will say as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:04   enjoyed star wars and I really did enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:05   Star Wars I've only seen that once I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:08   already seen this about three times just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:10   because so much fun it's fun and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   pointing at the end though I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   of people that I've yeah we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16   the last 15-20 minutes when they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:17   the restaurant and everything and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19   those conversations and that's when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:20   really gets good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:21   oh yeah that that's the capper for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   yeah I like I I mean we weave anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:27   who's been talking about Doctor Who for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:28   the last few years knows that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   Christmas special has a specific job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32   do need to be broad people are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:35   watch that episode in in Britain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   are not going to watch doctor who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   otherwise they're gonna watch that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:40   so you want to be a rope you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   be fun you want to have action you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:44   to not be too heavy and i think that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:47   think it does all of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   delightfully well and then I think their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   payoffs for people who are who have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:53   watching the show all along and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:56   it ends it there's wackiness and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:58   ends with something that's actually kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:00   of touching and beautiful and and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:03   yeah it's all it's all good the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:04   problem I have with it is that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   decisively saying that she hasn't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:09   Peter Capaldi's doctor before it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12   it very difficult for us to calculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   out how to get more things even if its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17   audio stories later with that with alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:21   kingston and Peter Capaldi who are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:22   great together but hey that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24   they got that they got the whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   is they have 24 years 24 years of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:29   have adventures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:30   also he said doesn't believe don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:32   believe all myths basically so their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:33   stories about us and so she may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   misstating precisely the timeline in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:39   true the forest episode i also really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:42   all the Christmas episode so we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:43   giant crashing spaceships or flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:46   sharks i guess or other options too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   that well the flying shark episode all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:50   so had a crashing space oh my gosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:52   exactly should we just never craft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:54   stated there was a murderous christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:56   tree episode but that had a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:58   spaceship that you didn't shot out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00   the sky your cotton this is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:03   I thought this is better than raccoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   merry christmas everybody can get dr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:09   the winner of the Wardrobe it wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:10   crushing spaceship is a crashing plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12   yeah they're really good with different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:13   so uh where were basically the end so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:17   wanted i would ask the difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:18   questions now which is where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:19   place this season and in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   success or failure and compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:22   previous seasons I'm kind of curious for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   a final kind of verdict on that front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:27   Stephen what do you wear what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28   rank series 9 I think it's undoubtedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:33   the best series since it came back for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:35   me it mile it might even be the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:38   season of Top true ever huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:41   because this is like 12 episode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   think about is 26 episodes worth of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:47   the old actually yeah 26 worth in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:48   olden days i'm not too sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:51   doctor who's ever had a solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:53   front-to-back season in its history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:55   since maybe last year which i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   was equally as good to life the app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:59   think we're in a golden age and i watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   the show for over 30 years saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   so yeah well hi grace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:05   Erica what's your series 9 overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:07   verdict yeah i'm right there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:09   Stephen I mean you did despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11   emotional issues I have with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:12   end of Clara I can still look I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:15   still remove myself from the equation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:16   and and just look at it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   more objectively and I do think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   is for me easily easily the best so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:23   we've had since the since i came back i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   love series 8 but I think for me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:28   it's it's a much easier called the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:29   that I like this one better i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:31   think overall season 16 might be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:34   favorite because I just love the key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:36   time ya bits and pieces but if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:39   going like strictly quality i still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:42   to say that this one is better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   as much as I love series 16 season 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47   it's um it's a little janky in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   it's open down yeah David verdict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:52   I'm with them uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:55   I i think the Capaldi running in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:58   has been more consistent than anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:02   in the new series again front-to-back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04   yeah and and this season i mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:08   i had quibbles with things here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   there but just for overall entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:15   value and overall not wanting to nitpick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:19   them to death and and then just enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:23   so many of the little tiny bits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:25   episodes even the ones that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   perfect it's just it's been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30   really good this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32   Glenn I gonna be boring and generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:36   agree i think i watched about fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:38   percent of the of the original who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:41   series and i watched everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43   come out since the eccleston reboot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:47   I love some episodes better and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:50   some parts of series and arcs better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:52   i thought this was fantastic and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   my doubts during the season so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   good it was very solid it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   very consistent season and watchable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:01   then the last three episodes destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   because I mean I've never watched any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:04   episode as much as having been or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   haven't sent yet I don't think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09   five times and i'll probably watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:10   anymore so I feel like they did an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:12   excellent job overall and I I wonder the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:16   only thing I would say is i'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:18   how people who are not doctor who fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   coming into the season saw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:22   there's no good way to know that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:23   thought for somebody like putting all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:26   us who have back history with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   I certainly appreciate it greatly for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:31   other reasons thanks even talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:33   them on his page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:35   well and and things that were that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:38   were kind of questionable early on or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:39   that you went i don't know where this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:41   going or I don't know if they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:42   to pick this up when they did close the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:44   circuit at the end it all tied together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:46   carefully and it wasn't it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:49   the story arcs where it's like building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   to some giant big climactic you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:53   university-wide conflagration and saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:56   the University of have said this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   other shows about other things i'm tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00   of everything is exploding and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   to save the universe this really did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:05   it took this intimate story by the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   and it was about the characters that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:10   were worried about it had nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12   with the whole universe of the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:14   planet or whatever Jason where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:15   place it thanks for asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:18   I was just going to say so comedians I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:20   love but uh I I ok I'm going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:24   little bit of a dissenter I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   series 8 was last year was better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:28   overall in terms of consistency and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:31   had a disappointing ending whereas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   think this season was although fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:36   consistent and good i think i felt not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:40   as delighted by it as i did last season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:43   but it had such a great ending I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:46   really love the last two episodes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:49   really the last three episodes I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   like this just as a seasoned it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   wrapped up in a more appealing way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:57   but you know if I had to score i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59   break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:00   Peter Capaldi's first year higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:02   this slightly but i think it's close and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:04   then the only other modern series that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:07   would throw in there is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:09   first david tennant series to that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:11   have i have a great fondness for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:13   hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:14   we're at the point with modern Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:15   Who where it's almost hard to call back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   that far because the show has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:19   and the way it looks old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:22   russell t davies Sarah doctor who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:24   starting to feel like old doctor who in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26   a way that it wasn't at the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:29   it's very different now than it was then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:30   so it's kind of hard to compare them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   that has some of my favorite season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   series two of the new doctor who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:36   some of my very favorite episodes in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   so you're here Herr is there but which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   is not that good and the Indian flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   which not good but discipline themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:44   into more than good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:46   and yet the height i didn't i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:48   i was high Capaldi Capaldi with with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:51   exception of heaven sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:55   i would say the Capaldi era is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:56   interesting because I feel like it's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   more consistent than doctor has been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   long time but the heights don't for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:04   whatever reason don't feel quite as high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:06   with the exception of having set is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:09   maybe because we don't have the lowest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:10   to compare them to it's possible it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:13   possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:14   they're taking their medication the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:15   season and the episodes all evened out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:18   yeah yeah yeah but I'm not gonna I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:20   gonna complain about i think it's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:21   good season I think it's been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:22   consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:23   like I said I think consistency in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:25   Capaldi era even even the episodes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:28   are kind of clunkers I can usually find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:30   something that I like about them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:31   sleep no more which i think is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   stylish even though i think it makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:34   sense or kill the moon last year which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:36   really didn't like and yet I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:39   it and I think it's very interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   I just think it failed but i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   interesting in how it failed so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   not a bad thing to be at that level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:47   consistency so that you know that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   that's my feeling about it but it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51   I you know I see stories we this work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:54   we're back to where we started with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:55   episode which is talking about Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   doctor who come back again and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6237">TS</a>]

01:43:59   don't know is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:00   are we not going to do doctor-who for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   year or is there going to be a short run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:04   of episodes in the fall file followed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:05   more episodes in the spring we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:07   and then we also don't know of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:09   we're entering the third full series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   a doctor in Peter capacity and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   frightening because generally that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16   last series for a doctor is the third in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   the modern series that's been the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:20   of the rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:21   David Tennant and matt smith both did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:24   three full seasons david tennant also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:26   did some specials so I because i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:29   say and this always happens but i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:32   say i don't want him to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33   I want him I want Peter Capaldi to stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:36   around for a little while because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:37   like he has so much to offer the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:40   and i would much rather i know it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42   sense to change the showrunner have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:44   steven moffat finally kind of hang it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:45   and change the doctor at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   that's what happened with with Russell T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   davis at the same time I kind of don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:51   want to see it happen i kinda wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:53   definitely go back into classic Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:55   Who I kind of want that last Tom Baker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   season with Peter Capaldi where the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:59   changes but the doctor at least is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:02   of the same for a year because i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:03   more Peter Capaldi three years is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:05   enough for me i hope i hope we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07   have hope we're not two-thirds through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:10   his era because I'm not ready to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:12   goodbye to pick ability he is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:14   yes same here i will willingly take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:17   year off from Doctor Who's it appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:19   we're doing now in order to extend Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:21   Capaldi's air-crane Agnes disaster you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:24   know even if they cancel the show for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:26   five years and Peter Capaldi is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:27   technically the current doctor even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:30   though he regenerates at the end of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:31   last episode as long as we can have him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:34   is the current doctor even when he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:36   even on air I can take that as a win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:39   I feel like at this point that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:40   Christmas special having been on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42   year since 2005 that even if they decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:46   not to Doctor Who for a while they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:48   still going to do an episode for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:49   Christmas yeah how could they not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:52   this point how could they not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:53   but yeah i agree with you completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:56   let's keep your pelvic he's a treasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:59   he's good he not only is he a fan and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:02   know that he's a fan but he is you eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:04   you could not I think perhaps because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6364">TS</a>]

01:46:08   is a fan to get an actor of his caliber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:11   yeah mhm I this chance is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:14   come around again this is a very special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:16   moment let's keep this guy keep them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:19   know i'm i remember hearing i mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   the Matt Smith era was you know hit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24   miss i think you in regards to scripting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   and I think it's mostly because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:27   didn't really have an executive producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6387">TS</a>]

01:46:30   like to sort of keep the reins on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:33   and they got a guy called Brian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:34   mentioned who's been in that position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:35   for the past two years and it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:38   sort of like firms everything up i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:40   remember hearing scuttlebutt in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6400">TS</a>]

01:46:43   you know leading into Peter Cappelli [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:44   that this season is gonna be much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   because you know no offense to Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   Smith but he's just a young actor we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   can't treat Peter Capaldi the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:54   that we treated matt smith and so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:57   had an inkling early on that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:58   they were really like oh my god we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6418">TS</a>]

01:47:00   Peter Capaldi we have two impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:01   haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:03   and so I think the quality Walker he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:05   an Oscar everybody like brushes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:07   crumbs off their shirts and sucks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:09   their gut instincts yes sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:11   really you know yeah he's not even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:14   it's an Oscar for acting it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:15   directing he knows what he's doing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:18   knows what is yelling no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:20   yeah well onward somewhere it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:23   i was there i was thinking about also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:25   how it disconcerting it is that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:27   Christmas special doesn't end with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:30   doctor will return in the middle of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:32   episode it's not even named well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:35   has been a lot of fun i hope we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:36   reconvene before too long to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:39   the next season of doctor but who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   when that will be I would like to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   my guests for talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:45   this season though it's good that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:46   to talk about it now that has come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:48   gone and now we're in the wilderness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:49   that many wilderness of between seasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:53   of doctor who with not even knowing when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   it will be coming back and Laura thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:57   you for being here thank you i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:59   gonna like flip and come back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:02   restaurant in a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6482">TS</a>]

01:48:03   sure sure it'll still be nighttime we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:06   we'll have dinner nights are long on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:08   this planet had to go and Fleischmann [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   thank you for being here you you supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:12   the the best of all the headcanon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:16   apparently think about this maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:19   little too much but you know as I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:20   at the sky tonight by the positions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:22   stars i think we've been on this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:23   for over two billion years quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:26   possible and i remember it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28   Erica and signed Thank You of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   people can listen to you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:31   Doctor Who every week more or less on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:34   Verity yes indeed yeah if if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:37   doctor who fan out there and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:38   jonesing for more doctor who stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   then come and rewatch series 1 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbxuw5g/6520">TS</a>]

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