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283: The Stars Look Very Different Today

 

00:00:00   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/0">TS</a>]

00:00:05   the incomparable number of 283 January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/5">TS</a>]

00:00:13   hello everyone and welcome back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/13">TS</a>]

00:00:17   incomparable for a sort of flash cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   episode in response to the very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22   death of David Bowie earlier this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   i'm your host Anthony Johnson and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/24">TS</a>]

00:00:26   me today making time at very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   notice is Erica inside hello and happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   and sad to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/31">TS</a>]

00:00:32   yeah I think we all are yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   internets dr. drank hello and David law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/34">TS</a>]

00:00:38   hello there yeah I think we're all kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   of both happy and sad to be here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   know we all love talking about Bowie we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   all loved him that's why we want to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   podcast about him but at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   of course we're very sad that he's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   and he had such an incredible life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/52">TS</a>]

00:00:55   left such an incredible legacy his body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/55">TS</a>]

00:00:58   of work is enormous his his legacy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/58">TS</a>]

00:01:02   reputation are enormous and nobody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   say that he didn't live life to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   absolute Felicia he lived five six seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/68">TS</a>]

00:01:12   lifetimes in the space of of one in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   you know all too short time in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/75">TS</a>]

00:01:18   I'm obviously we'll talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   throughout the course of the show but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/81">TS</a>]

00:01:24   the same time there is no way we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   cover the whole thing i did it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   one-point i considered maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/88">TS</a>]

00:01:29   chronologically going through his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31   and then I looked ahead and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/91">TS</a>]

00:01:35   doing here take a while right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/95">TS</a>]

00:01:36   thought Star Wars was bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   we would be here until next year year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   and so instead and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/100">TS</a>]

00:01:44   appropriate for this sort of show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45   instead I want to focus on what we meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   to us to each of us and the legacy he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/107">TS</a>]

00:01:51   will leave behind in our own lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   so the first thing I'm gonna ask and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   going to ask i'm going to ask erica this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   first because Erica you're the youngest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   here haha I yes you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   yeah what was what was the first Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/123">TS</a>]

00:02:07   song you heard how how did you hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   how did you then get further into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   work and why what was it you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   you heard you saw in him or in his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/134">TS</a>]

00:02:18   made you want to seek out more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   this strange emiliana cartas test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   boy this is a lot like when i get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   similar question about Doctor Who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   don't have a good answer because I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   grew up with David Bowie as a part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   the fabric of my life my parents were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   rock'n'roll fans and my dad loved David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/154">TS</a>]

00:02:36   Bowie so it was just this music that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/156">TS</a>]

00:02:40   always kind of knew I i always say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/160">TS</a>]

00:02:44   the rise and fall of ziggy stardust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   the spiders from mars is my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   album because i think that was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   album that I learned to love as a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/171">TS</a>]

00:02:57   like as as all one you know I mean I'd I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/177">TS</a>]

00:03:00   think as a really little kid I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   gravitated toward the beatles because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   you know all papi and stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   remember being in junior high and high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   school and just sort of it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   discovering because i had always known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/190">TS</a>]

00:03:11   how about the East artists but I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   rediscovering this is crazy science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   fiction album because I was always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/197">TS</a>]

00:03:19   huge geek as a kid and I just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/199">TS</a>]

00:03:22   learned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   hey you can you can do anything in music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/203">TS</a>]

00:03:26   it doesn't have to just be that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   and and notes and and and fun words or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   even you know you're touching words it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   can it can tell stories and that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   first time I recognize that music could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   tell stories in that particular way so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   would just listen to that album over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   over and over and over again and yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:48   guess I don't have a first song i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   know exactly when i heard it at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/230">TS</a>]

00:03:51   but I do know that it was David Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/231">TS</a>]

00:03:54   that opened my eyes to a whole new Vista [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   of the way that music could tell a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   and then from there you know I got into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   other things that he did and you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   course had that stereotypical girl crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/243">TS</a>]

00:04:07   on the super androgynous amazingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   sensual person that David Bowie was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   it really started with with that album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   with these artists that's that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   interesting for the for two reasons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   think firstly the storytelling thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   because that was such a big part of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   work and Bowie I remember an interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   very early on in his career where he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   asked to describe himself i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/270">TS</a>]

00:04:30   just started moving into acting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   somebody said you know what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   of yourself as are you a performer are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   you a songwriter are you an actor and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   just said I'm a storyteller and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/277">TS</a>]

00:04:40   thought that was a wonderful way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/280">TS</a>]

00:04:41   encapsulating everything that he did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   a large part of the appeal of his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   but also um so but this would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/286">TS</a>]

00:04:50   around the time i'm guessing that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   would have been around the time that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   the charts he was doing stuff like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   let's dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/295">TS</a>]

00:04:56   Aaron so you were aware of bowie already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   that was what was in the charts but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   was Iggy Stardust that really grabbed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   that's interesting I mean I loved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   the radio stuff and I was hearing to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   and I think that even at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   there's a part of me that recognize like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   this is the same guy he looks completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   different and that in itself was another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   thing to to sort of draw me in but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   think it also imparts he started because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   that was I think that was one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   dad's favorite albums of his he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   whole bunch of my vinyl I remember just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   looking at all the album covers as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   pieces of artwork when i was young i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   think the first thing that that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   maybe go and re-examine Ziggy Stardust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36   in a more profound way was i had a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/336">TS</a>]

00:05:41   of friends who are in a a band in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   school and they were thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   covering suffragette city and I go yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   that song i know that song and around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   that time I my mom mentioned that her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   favorite part of that song with the wham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   bam thank you ma'am line which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   only was I discovering David Bowie but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   was discovering my mother is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   really full cool person which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   a neat thing to discover so think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   did it boy for that as well so yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/363">TS</a>]

00:06:07   was when I really just started listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/367">TS</a>]

00:06:08   to the album over and over again because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:09   I go yeah i know that song i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   listen to it and then I just it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   falling into a whirlpool and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   understanding so much more on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   side that's interesting you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/377">TS</a>]

00:06:21   the the cover of the biggest donation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   sore but there were no there was a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/383">TS</a>]

00:06:27   of impromptu gathering of people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/387">TS</a>]

00:06:31   headin straight where they album cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   phys ed sanders was shot i saw some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   the pictures on Twitter and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   that is just what an amazing testament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   life's work of this person that did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   I got misty and wish I was there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   right i mean the four years is long gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   you know mode the street looks quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   different now but yeah everybody knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   where that everybody find anyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   where that photo was taken and so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55   there were gathering in Brixton where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/415">TS</a>]

00:06:56   was born and there's a mural outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   brixton tube station as well which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   know so you'd expect people together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   there but I thought it was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03   that a lot of people did go to heaven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   street specifically to the ziggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   stardust location you know I water in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   fact that album that album cover had its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   like the zebra stripe abbey road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   yeah it is you know maybe not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/436">TS</a>]

00:07:20   at that level there's no you know web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   camera up constantly focused on it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   watch tourists go oppose themselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/445">TS</a>]

00:07:28   as you say if it doesn't look quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   same you know you don't you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   the whatever the kwest sign over over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   the time you know it's not doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/454">TS</a>]

00:07:37   quite the impact but still that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/457">TS</a>]

00:07:41   is an iconic album cover and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   much a location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/464">TS</a>]

00:07:45   it absolutely is yet alright so yet dr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/465">TS</a>]

00:07:49   trying to tell us about your experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   started getting into Bowie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   discovering bow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53   well I i have similar troubles America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/473">TS</a>]

00:07:58   had it complicated by the fact that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   of course much much older and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   started listening to popular music in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/483">TS</a>]

00:08:09   about nineteen seventy-two which would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/489">TS</a>]

00:08:12   have put me at the right age and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   12 the time would put me at the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   age to of listen to ziggy stardust aziz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/496">TS</a>]

00:08:19   ziggy stardust wasn't on top 40 am radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/499">TS</a>]

00:08:23   in the states and this time don't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   out there listening to it right so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/505">TS</a>]

00:08:28   I was hearing at that time for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   reason there was a lot of philly soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/511">TS</a>]

00:08:34   earth wind and fire the o'jays stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   like that was playing a lot very popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   all Elton John of course to what was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/520">TS</a>]

00:08:43   that time and you know I continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   listening to that as I was going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48   junior high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   off and i believe the first Bowie that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/529">TS</a>]

00:08:54   heard in New was Bowie would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:58   something off of the young Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   album know whether was young Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   itself whether it was Fame I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/542">TS</a>]

00:09:06   but it almost had to be that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/546">TS</a>]

00:09:10   that was a solo album and it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   fit in with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   for whatever reason I mean there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   top-40 station y sol was was was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/557">TS</a>]

00:09:21   big deal on that I think have to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   the DJ who is on at night when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   that's that's what sort of in keeping so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   i think it was probably young Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   or fame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   interestingly you know this was before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/571">TS</a>]

00:09:34   was a Beatles fan really are so i've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/574">TS</a>]

00:09:37   i didn't come to fame through the john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/577">TS</a>]

00:09:40   lennon channel like I came at it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   while it was popular of course but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   through the David Bowie channel and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   after that it probably wasn't until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/587">TS</a>]

00:09:51   know when I then I'm picking up whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/593">TS</a>]

00:09:54   whatever comes working after the young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   American station to station so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   getting golden years right and TVC 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   which I just a spectacular song arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/602">TS</a>]

00:10:06   which I'll probably say many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/606">TS</a>]

00:10:07   during the show and then some time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/607">TS</a>]

00:10:13   college I kind of went back and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/613">TS</a>]

00:10:17   into it you know then you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   recognizing oh no i've been hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   these songs I just didn't know who it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   was and then i but then i started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/623">TS</a>]

00:10:27   more excavate and and find ziggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   stardust of course a hunky dory to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   extent know and you know probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/633">TS</a>]

00:10:36   song that most makes Bowie fit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:40   incomparable network which is space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   oddity of course yes ah yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   you that was that sort of like air you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   know it's it it was I get always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/647">TS</a>]

00:10:51   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/651">TS</a>]

00:10:52   it has always been there although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   guess it didn't get issued as a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   in the states until sometime in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   early to mid seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   oh that's interesting maybe after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   success of young berry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   kids behind yeah or maybe or maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/662">TS</a>]

00:11:05   think on the heels of ziggy because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   did he did as a key coloring ok and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   it was probably they said hey you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   there was this thing that was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   hit in England maybe we should issue it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   over here and i think it was so frankly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   that maybe that was the first thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   heard but the first thing that I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/680">TS</a>]

00:11:21   that I knew was David Bowie i'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   sure was on young Americans and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/683">TS</a>]

00:11:26   that about that that sort of the drug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   you and I mean you said you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   listening to radio was playing soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   music so i assume that you liked soul so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   yeah I did and and it was uh it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   extremely popular music music here at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   the time and uh it it had this weird I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/699">TS</a>]

00:11:44   mean you could you heard parts of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/704">TS</a>]

00:11:47   know earth wind and fire or whatever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   it but of course was very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   because the vocals are very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   and well and it was an Englishman's take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   on absolutely very American kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00   absolutely and you know later on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   recognized you know he's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   instrumentation a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   there are a lot of things that are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   are different about it but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   enough there that made it sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   what I had been listening to uh to draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   me and I've always found the success of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   young Americans the popularity of young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   Americans in America quite fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   because it is like to us you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   English people when we were growing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   it did sound like an American record but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   haha as an adult now having you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   sort of obviously heard a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   American soul it's so clearly not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   know it's so obviously a sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41   outsider's take on that form of music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   and yet it is still very popular in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   america i think Americans have always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   been interested in hearing what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   cultures the UK especially sort of think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   of our are pop culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   I mean young Americans is one example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   but also American Gods by Neil Gaiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   which he wrote after living here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   quite a while which it's just it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   very clearly see that it is the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   States our country well it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   country at the time viewed through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/785">TS</a>]

00:13:08   eyes and the lens of somebody who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   from elsewhere and the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   happened with with young Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   well and of course in my own field the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   popularity of thinking about it of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   English writers doing superhero comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   it doesn't hurt the next a good song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   oh sure but i mean that's that's we grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   me and I'm in the album as a whole but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   yes I mean yeah where is the song is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   a great great song so yet David tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   about your experiences whatever I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   starting to sense a theme here and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/814">TS</a>]

00:13:35   want to come back together but tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   about your experiences first was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   say doctor during stole my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   yeah i mean your two older than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   ziggy stardust album and probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/825">TS</a>]

00:13:49   first thing i heard was either Space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   Oddity or something from young Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   and even at that you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   how consciously it was because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   really young at the time and when in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   1983 we moved from Florida to New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/841">TS</a>]

00:14:07   and so suddenly I'm thrown into a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   new world a whole a very different kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/849">TS</a>]

00:14:12   of school and and situation everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/852">TS</a>]

00:14:15   and I latched on to music because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   was a constant that was something that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   could listen to and talk to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   about and that's right about when the oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/864">TS</a>]

00:14:29   what's the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/869">TS</a>]

00:14:30   oh gosh the let's dance album head yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   83 with with china doll and let's dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   in modern love and everything and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   know I fell in love with that album and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/878">TS</a>]

00:14:41   that was right about the time when i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   i'm able to go to record stores on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   own and check things out and listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   stuff and go to the library text amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/888">TS</a>]

00:14:49   and I'm going ok I want to hear more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   this guy and realizing that i had heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/891">TS</a>]

00:14:55   more of him all of my life and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   hadn't associated the name right so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   was like all of these songs that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01   recognized and going how and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04   hearing them in the context of the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   right instead of just the singles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09   and from that point on I just I paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   attention and kept collecting so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   theme here clearly is that for all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   we've all just kind of grown up with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   music being always there and very much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   part of our lives grown-up and exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   the same is true for me my mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/924">TS</a>]

00:15:25   was probably a bigger boat we found my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   father but my father liked him fine as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   well my mother had a few albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   including changes but we of course like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   this one of the first best of which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38   it you know a great introduction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   bowie so light you guys I can't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   remember the first Bowie song that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/943">TS</a>]

00:15:46   heard the first sort of the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/946">TS</a>]

00:15:50   where i was aware of all this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   interesting and it's this guy Bowie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   I should pay attention was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   ashes to ashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/956">TS</a>]

00:15:57   ok which was a I don't know whether how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/957">TS</a>]

00:16:00   well that was received in the US but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   the UK that was a big hit that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   it because it had the the really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   music video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   it was an odd sounding song anyway it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   was played on the radio all the time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   would see the video on television on Top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   of the Pops it was a big thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/971">TS</a>]

00:16:15   was the first thing that made me sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   really pay attention and attracted me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/977">TS</a>]

00:16:21   him as an artist to make me then go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   and sort of as you said that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   really seek his records in my mother's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   collection and sort of listen to stuff i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   also had my my father's brother my uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   made me compilation tapes of early Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/993">TS</a>]

00:16:37   stuff so i was listening to things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   you know a lot insane and diamond dogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/999">TS</a>]

00:16:43   when I was quite young but it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:46   mixed up because he would cut out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:47   he thought was a boring tracks soon so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:52   have what I can sing along to things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   like Joe the lion and panic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56   destroyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:57   no problem but some of the other tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   on those albums that are you know Lex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   papi i am barely have ever heard really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:07   are i'm curious Anthony you you so ashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:11   to ashes of the first one you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   what did you think of it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   it's a follow-on song right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:20   yes I what did you and it wasn't just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:23   while that you know there's this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:24   this interesting lyric about a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   called major time I don't know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   means but it's a cool song is that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:29   is that how you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   but honestly that i do not remember i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   think i had already heard Space Oddity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   at that point because of my parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   record collection which I just traded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   for everything like my entire you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   musical foundation is based on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   parents record collection i think i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:46   already heard it so I think I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   reference or if I didn't maybe my mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:52   may actually have even told me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   she was quite a Bowie fan so she may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57   actually have explained it to me i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:58   sure but also i liked it because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   just weird and I was into a lot of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:04   pop music in the heck it is why does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:08   this not surprise me I suppose I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:12   but it is i think is fascinating in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:15   Bowie has been such a part of so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:18   people's lives and like it as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   like space oddity is like air or Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   was like air because he was just he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   always there and you know give or take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:29   few blips up and down here and there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   could always pretty much rely on Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   to be good to be interesting you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   was never boring and to be constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:39   changing which of course he became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   famous for write what you know the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   about Bowie was at they're like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   first thing I thought of when I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47   heard of his death was he just never he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:52   was never in all these act ally yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:56   and our how many people can you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:59   up not very many and and still going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   his own beat no matter what the area no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   matter what the style but always somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   being contemporary yeah no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   was going to be accepted by the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   he teaches did what he wanted everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   had to come along or jump off the train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16   yeah yeah i mean the were again there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   were a couple of periods where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:19   wasn't the case and post let's dance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:22   the most famous example where he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25   really have a bit of a meltdown because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   he was trying to please his existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   audience but the majority of his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:30   yet he danced to the beat of a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   drum he really did and he led the way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   many cases not always sometimes he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   an early adopter of an existing trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:43   but a lot of the times he was more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   an early adopter he was you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   instigator and an innovator he appeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   in a in a video game for goodness sakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   and wrote the soundtrack to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:53   omicron nomads soul they've actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   Ubisoft have made that free for download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   magic memory is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1198">TS</a>]

00:19:59   oh good i haven't I mean I played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   when it first came out because David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   Bowie doing music and and yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   however if I ever made it all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   through but it's one of those things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   always meant to go back to and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   continue it glitched out on me so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   couldn't finish but I still got to a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   of the cutscenes where you get to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   digital David Bowie performing his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   know sort of lounge act in this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   club and it was just I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   transported it was that was probably one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   of the highlights of my entire video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   gaming experience was just that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   just because i was watching TV and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:34   did cross media as we know he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:39   actor he did do things like soundtracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   and stuff as well and so okay let's let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   me just talk about that for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   while i am have you all I mean everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:49   seen labyrinth obviously uh yeah I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:54   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:54   Oh surely really how I have not well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   know whether to come out sexy sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   ya see I'm I'm an adult by that time I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:04   I'm uh I'm growing up I married and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:07   was something that I kind of wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   see and and I was actually going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   watch it last night as as prep because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:14   figured it was going to come up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   things and things happened and I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   couldn't I my movies watching time got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:22   cut short and I couldn't couldn't watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   it so no i have not seen I mean I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   I've seen the pictures so many times but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   I all I will step back and let Erica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   talk about the brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   well I'd so will I but i just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   quickly say I eyesore in the cinema and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:40   then I didn't see it again except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   are my parents my sister is quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   younger than me and my parents bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   VHS copy of it for my sister when she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   was a child and anybody who has children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   are very young siblings knows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:54   when they like something they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   consume it again and again and again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:59   again and so I have seen labyrinth more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:02   times and probably any other movie just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   because of my sister but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:09   that excuse i did not discover labyrinth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:13   as a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   actually it was at which is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   considering how much my parents like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17   David Bowie but i'm pretty sure i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   not see it around the time it came out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   didn't discover it until i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   hardcore into that David Bowie phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   where i was trying to find everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   could find with him and so I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   was probably my junior or senior year of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:32   so as a teenager that I saw it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   because I was so in love with a boy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   course i fell in love this film also its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   I mean it it's basically a a wizard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   oz style girl gets to escape her you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   know drudgery life into a world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   fantasy which is right up my alley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   so this movie was kind of tailor made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:50   for me and I fell in love with it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   was the one to watch it over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   and over again at one point I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   had five different copies of labyrinth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   because i have the version i had taped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   off of the Disney Channel and I had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   VHS version and they had the VHS special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   edition and then I got the DVD and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   mean it was just it went on I had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   soundtrack i was i was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   labyrinth crazy and it became my sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:13   my touchstone it was my comfort movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14   every time life got scary or unsettled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:18   that's what I would would watch to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   of ground myself in the world so when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   went away to college first time away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25   from my family everything was scary I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:26   was really shy kid I i would watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   almost nightly in college and I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   the point where my roommate thought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   was just insane but I could turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:35   movie and then kind of start drifting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:38   sleep but i would wake up for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   single David Bowie seen no other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   let's see the rest of the movie but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   David Bowie was on the screen i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   wake up i would sit up and she was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   you're in see what's wrong with you my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   poor roommate just compete thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:50   was crazy but he was a he was just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:54   mean it's it is a kids movie there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   question about that but there's an awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   lot more that you can read into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   looking at it with an adult-sized his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   character to my mind doesn't appear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   the movie often enough but he's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   he's there enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   to sort of feed you this Great backstory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   he's he's suddenly underplaying enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   parts that you know I've built this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   wonderful headcanon about about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   background of this character and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   he's he's not a mush mustache twirling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   villain he is he's a pained and broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:27   character who just just wants love gosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:30   darn it and doesn't know how to reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   out and and take it and this stupid girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   blunders in and it tries to save her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   baby brother and she just does it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   wrong as far as I'm concerned if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   the only because things are going very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   very differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:45   yeah i've never written fanfic in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   life but the labyrinth is the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   closest I've ever come to you doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   because it needs to be fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:53   Wow well you know you're listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   the labyrinth headcanon right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   free access the library's vertical our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:00   you remind me of the babe Oh labyrinth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:04   aside though I mean that was kind of at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   the time I remember people almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:07   laughed at Bowie you know being in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   movie and sort of you but now on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   reflection we look back and go actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   he was pretty good in that and he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:17   good actor this is the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:18   either you know so many rock and pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:21   stars try to move into acting like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:24   just as many as actors try to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   rock and pop stars and so many fail but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   bobby was I mean he famously took mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:33   lessons like was quite a serious minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   students early on in his career and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   that's how we learned some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:38   wonderful moves that he used to pull on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   stage and some of the fantastic my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:43   that he did in film but he was as much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:46   performer as he was a songwriter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   again it comes back to this it all came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   together for him to be a storyteller he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   was just as committed to the craft of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:56   acting as he was being a musician and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   you know we saw that in things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   man who fell to earth and merry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   christmas mr. lawrence and his stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   performance of the Elephant Man which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   never saw what i read reviews of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   reviewers were falling over themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   to be amazed how brilliant he was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:15   that part and i did want to talk to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:18   David about this because as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21   right here among us as the man who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   actually owned a living on the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   what's your sort of assessment if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   like Bowie as an actor I think he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   magnetic he is fantastic i I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:34   seen him give a bad performance it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   interesting the the storyteller comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   because I've never heard that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   mean that's kind of how I've taken the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   other roles i do in theater whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   designing posters or making sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   effects or or even props which nobody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:53   going to see closely except the actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   but i always have that in the back of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   head is that i am telling a story even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   in this little tiny medium even this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   little like 30 seconds of sound that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   have to put together to sound like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   convincing thing off stage right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   that kind of shines through both in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   music but in the way he performed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   stage and the way he committed two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   characters in each of the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   incarnations he had and then taking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:21   the rest of the way onto the stage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   into film i mean the the prestige which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   is a film i enjoy i like that movie but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:30   he walks in it for what five minutes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   steals the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34   oh yes is the best thing in 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   of screen time on that or something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:38   yet nobody thinks of it as oh that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:41   movie Bowie's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   yeah yep and and it's what was what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   amazing to me about that one is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:46   like the third man another film i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:49   yes people think Orson Welles is in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   for the whole thing they think Harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   alignments the main character because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:54   everybody talks about Harry Lime for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   whole damn movie and nobody talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   Tesla in this he shows up he does his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:03   thing he leaves the movie is nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   without and the movie would not be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   same without him which is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:11   you know it's it's a beautiful act of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   movie stealing and and but he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   that in the last temptation of christ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   right who would cast him as Pontius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:21   Pilate but that is a terrific terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24   job of casting because he's again he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:28   not just the evil mustache throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31   villain right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   i I just I kind of wish i had been able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   to see the elephant man on stage because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40   I i can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   yeah i i'm i'm speechless at half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:46   trying to trying to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   explain it but yeah just that commitment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:52   to character which really shines through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:56   across all up all the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   yeah it really does and as you saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   he's you know work as a musician he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   the personas they had adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   I mean it's a lesser artist may have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:12   Bowie did feel restricted sometimes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:15   the personas that he built he famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:16   you know effectively killed ziggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   stardust because it was becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   self-fulfilling prophecy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:22   you know real life was now starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:25   mirror the story told on the record and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:28   he was being suffocated by the Ziggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   Stardust persona but he did manage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   move on from it and he didn't panic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:37   he would be nothing without it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   did that so many times throughout his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   career do you think we ever really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:45   to see the real David Bowie don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   where they're not all the real David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:49   Bowie yeah i agree i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   they're alternately interesting right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   different facets of his personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   well and also i think and i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   remember this career went on for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   awfully long time it's it's so what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   45 it's nearly 50-year career that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:07   know him and you know people change / / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:11   times like that I mean none of us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   the same person we were 20 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   it's just that you know the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   have seen us over those 20 years have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:22   been the ones who are living with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:23   it's it's not fans right who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:26   perhaps a vested interest in one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   versions know he and he that's what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   had to live with of course is the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   and all artists do when they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:37   something new is you know the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   like them for what they were five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   ago don't want them to change they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   wanted to keep churning out the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:44   thing again and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   and what was it except and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   Anthony you got this exactly right arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   the except Boeing didn't do that except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:56   perhaps in the aftermath of let's dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   which was such a huge hit for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:05   sizes such such LOL i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   life-changing event we've lost yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   yeah uh that he kind of repeated himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:14   a little bit there for her for a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18   yeah he found a huge new audience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:21   let's dance he was starting to feel I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   starting to become irrelevant around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   that time and then the story is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:30   he literally went to nile rodgers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   sent and said I want to hit let's write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   a hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:35   I need a hit record and you know and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:40   you're if you're going to write a hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:42   David Bowie and nile rodgers are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   much two of the guys you go to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   and it became such a hit and found him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:50   out such a huge new audience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   suddenly he was more commercially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:56   successful than he had ever been earning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   more money than he ever had doing bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02   tours than he ever had and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:06   the all the ads for the serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:07   moonlight tour were everywhere under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   your work together well and even later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   on in there in the aftermath of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:16   like never let me down you had the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:17   spider tour which was an enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   production a huge massive stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:23   production that toured all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   place did like four continents or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:27   it was ridiculous and yet he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   famously burned out at the end of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   that's what led to him sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   retreating away from the spotlight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   forming team machine but you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   when you look at that whole area that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   still him changing into something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   being the chameleon he hadn't yet been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   the person who was was the hitmaker who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   was going after commercial success so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   don't mean some people i think me look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   at that face is selling out i look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   is him trying something new yet again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:56   oh no I agree completely yeah yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   yup the other thing about that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   let's dance was that was the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:03   he was at the time this was considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06   to come back for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   yeah because because he had been away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:11   for a few years he had gone off to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   Elephant Man are scary monsters was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:17   last album that he had done which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   with 79 or 80 or something like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   it didn't have and I don't think you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   the time I mean I think now we look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   and say what you have a damn good album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   but I think at the time it was it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:33   as well received maybe some of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34   that you've done so then he went off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   he did Elephant Man use it and we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   thought I'm 20 years old at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   I'm in my early twenties during this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   period i kind of thought David Bowie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   done as a musician and he was only going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   to be doing acting oh wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   and I don't know if that was a common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   view but he had been gone for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   time and the guy had put out albums like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   ever since 1970 or so and suddenly in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2036">TS</a>]

00:34:00   so you put out 10 11 albums in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   decade and then suddenly he went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   three years without an album and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   this other thing and we all knew you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   know because of the stage persona that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   he personas that he had always adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:16   in the way his stage shows had always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17   worked we knew he was a very theatrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   guy and now okay now he's on broadway in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   Elephant Man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:24   he's done he's he's found the new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   that he's going to do and he's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   to do music anymore is what's up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   what i thought at the time and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   comes back with let's dance and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   there's no question it's it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39   different from his earlier stuff it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   very commercial boy it was good man that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:44   was a great apple it really was yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   there's a reason that it was so popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   no absolutely and and if you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   the u-men you everything about his stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:55   shows change because it is it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   massive and he became you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:01   way pink floyd turned into or the stones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   with these gigantic productions are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:07   know he wasn't playing little places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:10   uh oh god no no no you bringing normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13   arenas and stuff yeah no more beer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   to guide him but you didn't mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:19   about him putting albums out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   uh I think was the BBC put a chart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   together a day or two ago with the face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   of a sort of blurry chronology just his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:29   music just looking at you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:30   how successful these albums had been and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:34   you look at that period of the seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   and oh my goodness he put out more music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   than you know some rock musicians do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:41   their entire 30-year career was amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   that was more of a thing back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:45   though our people didn't know that it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   me it was Michael Jackson who invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   the stretched out release our and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:56   putting out an album every year or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   and still being a viable and in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:02   in the public eye kind of artist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   know the Beatles always put it they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   also like clockwork the stones in the ER [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   leaders like the alt same thing always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   putting our product because up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   that this is the drain history of rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:18   and roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   forgive me this is not necessarily a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:23   certified by any academic environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   but II it seems like up until about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:29   nineteen eighty people were still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32   thinking that a rock-and-roll career was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   evanescent and you were gonna last and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:39   so you you hit it when when you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:42   popular you stayed with it and you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   the pedal down and you put out product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   continually you didn't dribble it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   bits and bits and bits at a time you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52   it because it was going to be gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   tomorrow right it's like being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   professional athlete you've got maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   four years so get everything while you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:00   exactly and you know i also wonder how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   how much the advent of mtv music videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:06   sort of helped helped along with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   you could stay in the public eye a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:09   little bit longer because your videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   were getting so much so much rotation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   which means reaching somewhat of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:16   different audience and the radio is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   got i cannot remember like I can't count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   how many times I saw that dancing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   street video with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   you think that he was everywhere for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   years i was gonna skip over that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   wasn't going to let you know the pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   the pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   it's an infectious video I mean it drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   me crazy at the time but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   time it got stuck in my head all he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:38   wanted to do the move is a great song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   it's a great song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   it's like the collaboration with Queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   under pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   it's like candy he's kind of cheesy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   it's a bit you know it gets it is near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   one but it's a really good song and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   talking about videos I mean we still get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:54   actually that's a really good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:55   about video enabling longevity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   artists because with the release of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:01   black star his final album and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:05   actually before it was released when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   got the advanced video for the song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:10   black star they sort of it like 8-9 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:13   minute long video to go with the song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   which is a an amazing video but we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:20   now clearly he wasn't healthy enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   do anything other than a video but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:27   was able to do that and so sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   know present the art in that way put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   our minds and if we you know if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   hadn't died we would never have known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   that he was ill during the making of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   that video because you can do that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:39   film you can hide that sort of thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   can't do that if you're gallivanting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43   around onstage during live performances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   no one of the one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   sort of amazed me this week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   especially about black star so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53   I was awake when the news broke in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   middle of the night and the next morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   you know and seeing everything on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   Twitter my kids I don't necessarily know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   if they have any frame of reference for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04   who this is right and so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:08   fourteen-year-old comes home from school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   that afternoon and we just started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   talking and talking about music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   because you know there's this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   good new album out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   did you hear the story about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   what what do you mean well trained at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   every you know all of his friends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   Instagram all these you know everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   got tributes to bowie and some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   teachers mentioned Bowie and so he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30   he went and listened to Blackstar on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   own just out of curiosity and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   went back and realize that he knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   all these other songs that had just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37   playing all of his life and connect them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   all and they said that's a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   album and it's really impressive that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:45   did that in the last year and a half and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   I said yes that's kind of you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   and he said you know a black star is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   a medical term for a kind of cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   lesion that's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   he's brilliant and then I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   that God well and and what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:05   really funny to me about that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   you know sadly this week alan rickman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   also passed away and I figured you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13   okay if that was the reaction to go if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:16   he knew hours before it came up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   conversation at home because he was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   school you know will surely surely he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:22   have heard about this because all of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   friends watching all the harry potter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   movies right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:27   this is the big thing and he comes home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   I said did you hear the entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30   news today he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:31   did someone else die isn't he began at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:34   Helen recommend oh my god nobody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:38   talking about that and you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   that would have had more of an impact on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   his immediate age-group because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   Harry Potter movies he has a very potter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   no didn't really come up but everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:50   everybody was still talking about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   thinking about Bo and we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53   listening to the music all week here on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   request miles like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:59   my son has good ten good taste and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   intentionally i think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02   demonstration of the appeal Bowie had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:06   across generations and across boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   and as I've said my mother my mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   loves like you know poppin disco and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   loved Bowie my father is always a rocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   but he library as well you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   brother my uncle when he made me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   tapes he's basically a prog-rock you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   know he's the one going into Genesis for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   heaven's sake and he loved Bowie there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   was i don't know if you saw it there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   john snow the eminent British newscaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   not the couch from games right made in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:35   an impromptu video a sort of unofficial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   video which he posted online with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:41   sort of personal feelings about Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   and you know and he's not a young man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   and he said we thought bobby was our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   rock hero you know because he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   adult by the time but his career was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   getting going about the same age and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   was like we thought bobby was ours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   now i'm discovering that actually every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   generation regarded Bowie as there's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:03   was you know every generation discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   him and you because he reinvented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   himself because he had such a long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:10   prolific career and because frankly he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   was just that damn good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   it's some it reminded me here maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17   think of doctor who actually he and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   way that everybody has their doctor you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22   know he basically regenerated anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:26   yes David Bowie has a Time Lord is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   something that i have seen on Twitter a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   couple of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   yeah I'm sure there's some more fanfic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   for years you would have been a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:34   doctor would have our don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:37   torture us like imagine i think he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   have been a good other time lord right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:43   no mention is the war doctor my marriage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   in islam and are at but there are cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:51   and that leads us to his impact on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   culture as a whole across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   generations across boundaries across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   media he made such a difference and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:02   of the really interesting to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   this wasn't really my experience but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   really interested in there i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   people talking about on mine is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   Bowie to a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:14   it felt like he effectively gave them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   permission to be weird like people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   felt like outsiders outcasts you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   the weird ones the Nerds the geeks which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   was believed me was definitely me when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:27   was younger but i found my outlet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:29   that through heavy metal and goth music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   but I'm finding a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   apparently found their sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:37   looked to bowie bowie bowie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   effectively saying look it's okay to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:41   actually you don't need to fit in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   can be cool and weird at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   yeah I think there's a lot of truth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   that I mean that isn't that isn't my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:50   take on Bowie I mean he didn't save my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:54   life or anything like that I just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   liked what he did but yeah you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:59   certainly see that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   as soon as people started writing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   said yeah absolutely and that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   lot of sense IE because he was weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:09   and and yet incredibly cool yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   for me I guess I never really had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:16   trouble being myself and maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   because I started listening to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   absorbing poets at such a young age but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23   i think i can i can see that a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   bit kind of from the other side in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   David Bowie introduced me to this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30   persona who was different things at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   different times and who is strange and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   androgynous and and just marching to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:37   beat of his own literal drums and I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:41   kids when I was in school who were very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   weird androgynous and color their hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   different colors and stuff and I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   one of those kids but because i had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   exposed to David Bowie I was totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   cool with that and I grew up in a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   rural area and there were lots of kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   who were not cool with that right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   feel like maybe had it not been for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   David Bowie and you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   understanding parents and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   stealing that sort of thing in me I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   know I could have ended up being one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:05   those other kids and thank you too David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   Bowie for the part that he had in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   teaching me that it's okay to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:10   different it's okay to be queer all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   stuff is is cool when and speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:16   rural areas i mean that's that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   live now and it's it still blows my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:23   earlier I guess last summer we had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:27   of his fellow bandmates from ten machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:31   came through and played at our venue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   here and I did all the post-american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   yarbs ok reeves gabrels is coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   town this is awesome and you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:39   could say to the locals you know here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   this musician he's coming with his new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   album and his band you know and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   no idea who he was and only had to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   was well he worked with David Bowie 00 i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:53   know this album this album this album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:54   this album he's on all those albums he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   was a collaborator that's fantastic i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   be there and the show sold out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   Wow and and it's like you know just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:03   I think this town is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   stereotypical rural American middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:07   Western you know get me out of here kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   of town they surprised me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   it's like and then again that just shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:14   how easily he was able to cross over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   those barriers and boundaries that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:20   he was at all appealing to the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   people who just live here and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   lawrence well and it's like in a way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   we have that lets dance phase to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   for that because if he hadn't hit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   makes level of popularity with matt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   mass appeal then I'm on many many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:37   wouldn't have dug in a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40   farther and discovered all of those cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   weird things in addition to the pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   stuff so it's like my grandparents loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   him but they discovered him through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:51   Bing Crosby christmas special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:52   Wow and and what what amazes them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:57   and my grandmother talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:58   several times over the years was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   his counterpoint to the song was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   lovely and and their voices blended so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   well and of course the story was that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:09   didn't want to sing the song he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:12   to sing something more interesting so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:13   they came up with that on the spot so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   that he didn't have to sing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   traditional song how and you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   but it is it's a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   that's a really good performance yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   you know without any without having seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   it you know you you hear the the names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   no that's not gonna work that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   fantastic what and i think the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   interesting thing that I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   thought about that is that you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   that while obviously very is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   like I'm the new blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   you know you're the old guard at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   same time there's no you don't get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   kind of impression of disrespect going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   cross me from beaudinot mean there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   sort of punkish yeah whatever granddad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   you don't know anything attitude which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   you can imagine your berry mind how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   successful but he was you can imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   many performers of his era would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:03   felt a little like what am I doing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   with this weird middle-aged geezer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   know but Bowie clearly respected Crosby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   and I think that really helps with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   performance you know I think it's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   obvious that Crosby respected by which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   is why it's not one of my favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   I can't claim gentleman right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   I would not call it fantastic involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   the bones performance is great i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   sure even knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   ruby was exactly that's interested the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:32   story about riesgo bros because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   leads to an area where i wanted to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:35   about which is the body's collaborators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:38   he was very good at choosing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   collaborators we're very generous with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   many of his collaborators read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:44   Gabrielle's incidentally was not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   collaborator he also produced a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   of days later rooms he produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   earthling and I think ours as well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:55   of course was instrumental in 10 machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   it was it was really Gabrielle's who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   basically at the end of the glass by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   Dassault or said to bowie look you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   clearly burnt-out you need to stop doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06   this thing that you hate what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:10   everybody wants you to do because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   just gonna kill you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13   you've got to do you go back to doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   what you want to do because that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   everybody loved you in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:18   so you know we all have reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   gabrielle was quite a debt actually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:24   what was looking it up he was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25   involved in Omicron which I did not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   i didn't know that no but yet there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   those risk of girls obviously this tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   visconti for many many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   brian eno several times most famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   with the Berlin trilogy but also with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:39   outside which is my personal actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   Ashley favorite Bowie album but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   probably just because i love you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   many people that he collaborated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   robert fripp famously some of the many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   times some of them only wants but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   really good at choosing people to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:58   with that would complement him and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59   would push him to do interesting new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   things now I think it you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:06   original i would say is Mick Ranson em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   and Robinson was a was I think you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:12   now I'm maybe the the very late Bowie i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:16   don't i don't know so much about a stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   act but it ransom share it but we shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:23   the stage with router which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   something you see if you look at concert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   video from others other stages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:32   Bowie's career typically are its Bowie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   yeah you know their backup singers there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   are musicians floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   but it's Bowie he's the focus and he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:45   allowed ronson to have the focus for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   huge chunks of stage time during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:51   ziggy years and and of course played off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   of him a tremendous amount so and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:58   know I I don't think Robinson gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   songwriting credit on those but he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:05   the steel guitar made those songs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   way they are I mean he was i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:12   think you get production credit bra on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:15   Ziggy Stardust I don't have the album in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   front of me but he was a huge part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:20   the sound of bowie during you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:25   element aladdin sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26   yeah he was and of course it was ronson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   that i'm not sure if this is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32   ever made the news in America but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   overhear it was huge it was ronson that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:36   Bowie put his arm around while they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   performing I think it might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   busy status on Top of the Pops now some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:46   context like men did not put their arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:51   around other men in a friendly fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   right in the nineteen seventies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   UK that especially not on television and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   especially not when wearing makeup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   spangly glam-rock outfits and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   there were things open to the waist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:07   showing their chest it was just it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   one of the most homosexual things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13   had ever been shown on British [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:14   television other point even though it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   not homosexual at all but the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:20   perception was that this was outrageous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   absolutely daring and outrageous and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:25   was bo & Johnson who did that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   think and that was a huge cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   moment as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:31   well it was that was very toned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   from the stage show which was more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   simulated fellatio with the with rounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39   and guitar really sorry and all yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:43   yeah so so so the BBC's Top of the Pops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   got got the safe version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:49   right but even that was not I mean yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   safe compared to the stage version but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   yellow for television at the time here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   was not regarded safe at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   that's as crazy and then yes I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   know Tony Visconti brian eno all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   people that he was so generous with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:06   some of them like visconti came back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   work with him again and again and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   so you the must've you know and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:14   didn't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15   this is the thing as well as some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:16   these people are very successful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   their own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:19   some of them like this county is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   certainly you know I'm sure that man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   never needs to work again for the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   so I think it speaks to the quality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:28   his work that so many of these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31   came back again and again to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   effectively silent partners because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   nobody except enthusiasts really cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   who else is on the records other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   Bowie not to always bring it back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   elaborate but even the labyrinth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   soundtrack he wrote all of the songs for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46   the soundtrack for the movie even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   ones that he didn't thing and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   actually a composer trevor jones who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   the score for the film and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   what came first his songs or the score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   but regardless as you listen to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   sound track everything weaves together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   beautiful yeah yeah so I mean it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   it you don't necessarily know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:06   was actually written by two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   people so i don't know if it was trevor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   jones and morphing or David Bowie or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   both of them working together but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   whatever it is it comes out great when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   you know one of the the hottest tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   in new york right now is the play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   Lazarus which he collaborated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23   player a tender Walsh who is a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:28   good playwright and director Ivo van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   hove and again you know picking really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   good collaborators and it's basically an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   adaptation of The Man Who Fell to earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   as a musical that has some original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   stuff that the song Lazarus that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   black star is the title song from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   and it's got some you know other songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:48   from his catalog and everybody I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   who has seen it has said it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   spectacular huh was spectacular in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   literal sense or just in that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   amazing just that it's an amazing night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   of theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02   but right now I was gonna say i'd advise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   I can't somehow imagine something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07   that being spectacular in the left in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   the literal stage sense it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   the right mood but but to think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   that is collaborating on that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   same time as all of this and and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   black start doing all of that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:21   yeah it's just served you know it seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24   that 18-month period as I have to do as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:28   much as I can before i'm gone right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   and-and-and getting all of this heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   out and all those aren't that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   just that it's really good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   it's also you know at the time when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:41   first premiered you know you go thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   it's the man fell to earth ok and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   you know when the news came out about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   black start coming out soon right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   we always got a new album this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   fantastic and and in retrospect it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:55   ties together and and is has an even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   deeper meaning than we could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58   thought at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3358">TS</a>]

00:55:59   absolutely yeah yeah I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:02   something that's just come to mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   talking about his generosity and you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:07   know that Duncan Jones the film director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   is his son right that's only bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:12   yeah yes at the premiere of I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:17   was source code which was Jones his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   second major movie the body was there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   went to the premiere get a sort of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   mufti as he were he didn't dress up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   anything for you but he was there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   premier accompany his son and he refused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32   to answer any questions from the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   not in a slutty way but in a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:37   people were like oh my god he's here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   he's here he's here they all want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40   talk to him and he was just like no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   you know talk to my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:44   hi this is not i am here to support my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:47   son I am NOT here for you to talk to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   and make it about me go away and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   thought of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:54   yeah that's wonderful well i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:55   know what you said earlier about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   not just cut you can imagine anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:00   would want to collaborate with Bowie arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   but people want to collaborate with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   a second time I think says more it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:10   yeah it says more about him as a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:12   then as an artist and everyone would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   want to collaborate with them as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:16   artist but the fact that they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   come back means the experience was good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   right yeah because everybody wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:23   it because like I'm God is bowing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   course that would be brilliant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:26   artists like him often have a reputation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:31   for being difficult and you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:35   there are stories of bowie being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   somewhat difficult various times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:41   throughout his career but yeah clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44   overall must have been fairly good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:48   work with or it must have been worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   at least even if it was hard work and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   did drive his collaborators hard he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   worked very fast he was very a bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   Madonna is now he like you went in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   okay this is what I want to do and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   is the kind of sound I'm after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   let's do it and let's do it quickly when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   you think about the length of his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   as we're talking about before it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:09   long time the number of stories of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:12   being difficult is much much less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   the number of stories of certain other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:17   actors and musicians being difficult in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   say five or 10-year period so yeah so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   still think he's coming out looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   pretty good i mean who doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   their bad days right well and also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27   mean he knew what he wanted and he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:31   he insisted on giving it and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   most people who are all who are artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   in their own right understand that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   they appreciate it when it was done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:42   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:42   yes there are going to be bad days there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   there I've seen things about the young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:47   American you uh young Americans sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   where he was you know dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   backup singers and he wanted he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:56   things to come in in an unusual way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3536">TS</a>]

00:59:00   it was it was not the way they were used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   to singing but they did it and then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:05   they heard it they said yes he was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   that's what that's how it worked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:08   they're happy with it yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   that's that's something that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   artists go through and it is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   God knows I've been in that in similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   sort of situations myself working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   collaborations where ya you get is hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   but at the end of it you like okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   actually that was worth it something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:24   really good came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:25   so yeah you I can sympathize with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:30   to an extent so they're on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   scale as definite moment but yet he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   with artistic endeavors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:38   sometimes you just have to sort of drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   through and go look trust me I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   I'm doing and it'll be worth it at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   end and you need to have that trust in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   whoever's guiding the ship whoever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   steering the boat you need to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   the trust in them that they will get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:56   to the other side it'll be worth it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:58   the end and of course you know later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   the end and of course you know later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   in his career how could you not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   that kind of faith in bowie again apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   from a couple of stumbles like never let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   me down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:07   it's hard to think of anything he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   that wasn't at the very least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   interesting even if you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   personally like it everything he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   more or less was interesting and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:19   look at it and go wow ok he's do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   know he's trying something here he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:23   clearly working towards something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:26   he's doing stuff that's worth talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   about it's not just dross yeah and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:33   not the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34   and as I said at the beginning he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   an oldies act you know you're not seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   a guy having a fit because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:42   play the guitar the way his original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:46   guitarist played at 50 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   right right i mean Space Oddity 1969 it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:52   still feels current still feels fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   it's amazing isn't it that yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   talking about him not being an oldies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:00   act actually after that period when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   was doing Tim machine and he also did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   the San division tour and that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:09   one way he famously build it as this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12   the last time I will ever play all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   the classic songs now that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   actually true he went to commemorate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:19   yeah he never is but at the time i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:23   at the time it may have been he may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   been one of the first of those sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   long-lived acts to do that to at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:31   say that and sort of at least appear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:34   have that commitment and demonstrate if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:38   you like through that to say to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   i'm not an oldies act and we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   going to get this out of the way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:43   then we're going to focus on whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   do next which yeah I don't think many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   people who had been around as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   Bowie and not the were many was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   that at the time silly the rolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:55   stones wouldn't do that now I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   thinking about space already on a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   drive today that they took before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02   podcast arm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:05   if you had never heard the song and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:09   just had it described to you you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   not believe that it's still popular 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:17   years later I because because I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:21   surface just hearing it described you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   would think that this is a novelty song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   wouldn't you any that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:29   the title is a pun number one it's a pun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:33   on a movie that was popular at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   or the year before arm it's uh the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:41   had stuff about astronauts in it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   song is about astronauts and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:46   song is released on the eve of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   Apollo 11 mission and it's got sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:53   effects in the middle of the song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:54   yeah everything about that song if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:58   hear it described and don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59   know the song would think all that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   that's was written by Ray Stevens you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   know and it's like the street or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   whatever its that's not a real sign of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09   oh yeah it might be popular because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   know it's funny or whatever but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   wouldn't be affecting to anybody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:16   would regard it as a classic rock song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   the way we do now yeah no not not on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:21   surface and when you listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   lyrics I'm and again this goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:26   being a storyteller and I and I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   when things surprise me i love when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   something so simple of you know as just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:35   a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:36   who would think to write a song about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   conversation between these two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   right over these two situations and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:44   certainly if you're thinking hey I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46   to write a hit that's not what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   going to write right and you know nile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:52   rodgers would have talked him down haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   the but it's just brilliant and i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:59   when a musician or a and whining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:04   storyteller frankly can surprise me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07   that can take something so out of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   field and and make me love it not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   you know that's a good story but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:16   you good story told really well yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   it's it is a to me it's a very seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:22   song and has a very seventies mindset to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:27   it despite coming out in 1969 arm and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:30   particular i'm thinking of the lyric of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:34   the the papers want to know whose shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:38   you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:39   yeah but not because it's it's very wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:42   in its understanding of celebrity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:45   commercial commercialism but an end you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:50   know you guys all talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   peanuts the Charlie Brown Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   about and so commercialism is not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   not a big deal but it was it had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:00   seventies attitude toward it which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:03   basically yeah okay that's that's how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:07   is it wasn't railing against it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   wasn't it what that lyric always reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:14   me of the party in satisfaction where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:19   you know he can't be a man because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:20   doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   it's it's automatically very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   except Jagger is upset by it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:28   that's a very 60s thing all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30   commercialism it's terrible now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:32   Bowie it's just it's water off a duck's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35   that's the way it's it's a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:36   fact and that's the seventies you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:39   to me and have you all read the flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:44   of the conchords piece this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   yes only remain clemont's right have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49   all seen the bones episode of flight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:50   the conchords oh yes you may have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:53   some clips right boys in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:56   well he he wrote this wonderful piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   this week about the creation of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   episode and that how it all started with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   the song boys in space they used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   in there stay Jack and I mean it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   wonderful place and you should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:09   should go and read it anyway but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:12   thing the reason that came to mind is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   because he spends the first part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   talking about how deceptively complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   Bowie's music is like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:22   deconstructing Bowie's music to try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:26   they would first though of course trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   to learn how to play but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   songs when they were young who wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   one of my very first guitar song books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33   was a David Bowie songbook when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:34   like 13 but they were not only that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:38   then when they came to do this parody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   stroke pastiche they were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   build a bony song that you know didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:47   exist but sounded like it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:48   existed and could be a pony song and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:52   we're frustrated at how incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   difficult it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   haven't you know they admit basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:59   there by the end of it they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:00   what we ended up with these actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   nothing at all like you nowhere near as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:05   complex as a bony song but it'll do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:07   it'll pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09   what a tall order that's that's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:13   yeah I don't mean it is a great song and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   it's a it's a great episode the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   episode brim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:18   it's a wonderful loving you know gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:23   poke gentle ribbing of David Bowie's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:26   persona and you know he's music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   stuff but yeah that article is really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:33   mean it's great for that but it's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   sage treatment because it's also just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   lovely tribute to Bowie's again but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:39   legacy and his impact upon culture right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:43   because it's not about spoofing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:44   everything even though the song is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:47   funny in the episode is very funny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   it comes out of a genuine love it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   it's not just hey i can i can do a fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   song by this guy right it's it's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:58   a real labor of love for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:02   yeah it's like I always say the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:03   parody is done by people who actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:06   love the thing they are parodying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   know it's it's very difficult to hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:13   right notes unless you do actually love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   the thing that you are also making fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:17   of as someone who does a lot of parody i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20   can attest to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:21   hey enfant and all right I'm favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:25   album Erica should i say my second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:28   favorite albums and so pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:29   already covered that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   that's true actually here so no so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:34   okay so you said he was biggest artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   year and is that just because it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:39   with you for so many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   nothing that he released later you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   hit you in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:44   nothing he released later did hit me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   the same way so I mean maybe a big part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:49   of it is just the fact that but of when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   I discovered it but like i said it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   my favorite David Bowie alum it is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:54   favorite album period so i'm gonna kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:58   of rises above above everything else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   it has this magical place in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   because it was the first concept album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   that I had ever been introduced to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   the first time I saw a story being told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   through the songs and and all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   stuff seemed seemed really mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   expanding and magical and nothing's ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:15   gonna hit you quite the same after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   experienced that and also I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   freaking love the songs I mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   just they're great songs I don't wanna I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   don't want to downplay that but i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:27   say that I mean maybe it's just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   I was kind of stuck in that that zone of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   that mode of David Bowie but my second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   favorite of his albums is aladdin sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   which was the very very next one so not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   not entirely different but i just-i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:42   felt like it if it was the closest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:45   I could get to my favorite album without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:46   being afraid I'm so i really liked it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:49   just i love the songs on that one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:52   but you know it's just thinking my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   actual my favorite David Bowie songs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:56   22 favorite songs i think of all are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:59   probably life on Mars and oh you pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   things which are from hunky-dory which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   of course was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:05   ziggy stardust so yeah that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   sort of my those three albums in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   that's that's my sweet spot that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   butter zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:13   David Bowie for what it's worth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:16   actually think that allowed insane has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:18   overall a better selection of songs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:21   ziggy stardust you know I look this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:24   isn't a couple of the songs on Ziggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   Stardust are fantastic but overall you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:29   know panic in Detroit cracked actor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   drive-in saturday allowed in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   time genome c'mon you know these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:36   absolute classic songs so yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:40   say I blame you for choosing both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   those albums really and dr. drank what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45   your favorite help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:46   well i'm going to be boring here my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   favorite my favorite album is Iggy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:51   if you can you put that on and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:55   listen to it and every some of the songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:59   lead from one to another is is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:02   fantastic album and i'm going to suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:04   that you're wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:06   the songs on there are every bit as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   as the song on on a lab insane i'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:12   they're more consistent for me for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:15   yes I mean of course I love things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:18   are on Aladdin Sane but i can't possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:22   my favorite snippet of bowie lyric is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:27   keep your electric eye on me i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:31   know why but there's just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   about the you know his illusion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   first e in an electric I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:39   it is about that but that it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   the lyric it's it's the way the music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   going to that was saying yeah yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:46   it's just it's spectacular and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   whenever I'm listening to to see stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:54   which of course i play at maximum volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:55   because that's what it said was yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:58   says on the album that I wait for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:01   and I am if I'm listening I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:03   something else I stopped and then I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:07   I wait for that when when that song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   comes on just like my mom with when bam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   thank you ma'am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:12   well and I don't blame her for that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:15   mean that's that's what you but you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   got the thing about about wham bam thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:20   you ma'am is you gotta build up to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   you can call you you can have you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   you get a chance to sort of put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   stuff put you know put things down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   so because you know it's really okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   here we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:31   i think the the one thing i will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   about biggest artists is it has the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:35   and sweet of any of those albums and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:40   because the ends with biggest artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41   suffragette city on rock and roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   suicide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:44   Oh average is you know I don't think any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46   of his albums came close to finishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   that strong you know you have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:51   absolute classic songs one in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:53   automatically brilliant and ending with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:56   rocker also settlement you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:58   fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   yeah leave them wanting more absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:01   so David what's your favorite album well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   I'm gonna kind of cheat and maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   because I've been listening to this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   mostly this week but the 2002 collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:12   best of bowie what is it oh come on Jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:18   whatever mischief discovers it covers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:19   all the ira's up to that point pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:22   well and pretty concisely you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:26   good it's good in the car it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:27   while I'm writing it's good while I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   cooking and and ya go back and listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:33   the others but if I just want a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   compact greatest hits collection that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:39   a pretty hard will not be say okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:41   i would actually changes Bowie i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:44   prefer to to the tears but my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:49   album as i mentioned earlier actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50   and I'm bucking the trend here then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   my favorite arm is one of his later ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:54   which is one outside from 1993-94 i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:59   think which is his sort of experimental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:03   art slightly industrial album that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:06   made with brian eno it is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   strangest albums he ever made it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13   was called one outside because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:14   maddeningly was supposed to be the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   of a suite of albums that would lead up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:19   to the millennium was 95 that's alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:21   because they were going to be one album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   a year to was going to be cool it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   going to be to contamination and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   going to continue and believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:28   plumbers to end with five inside in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:32   year 2000 or maybe really December 99 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:36   leading up to the millennium and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:39   course hehe actually never made any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:40   those he just made one so we have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43   straight album with a one that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   knows why but i love that album because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:48   it is so unusual and so modern so modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:53   even now you listen to it and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:54   things on there that you like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   what is he doing what is going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   I mean like all of his music sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   timeless but that album for me is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03   don't know there's something about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:04   is so strange and artistic and a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:09   kind of i don't care if you like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:13   this is where my head is out right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   and feeling to the album that i love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18   i I'm a sucker for that sort of attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:20   and and i will say i have to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:23   it for to a few more times but I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   liking Blackstar mm well and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:29   was the other thing I was going to lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:30   into was black star is ah I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:35   not his most innovative album it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   certainly not as strangest album but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:40   know it only has 17 tracks 8tracks know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:43   some of them are quite long and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   whole album of course I need easy's gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   to us he knew he was dying as he made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:50   and the whole album is his statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:53   he's a last testament to the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:57   his thoughts about his life and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:00   impending death and for that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   alone it takes on a very very special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   yeah I haven't listened to it yet and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08   don't think i will be able to for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09   while I haven't actually listen to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   David Bowie or watch labyrinth or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:12   anything since I heard the news because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   it just it affected me too deeply I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:17   think today after talking about it I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19   will probably go listen to a live insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:21   because i think i'm i'm at the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   where that is what I can handle I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   think i could go back and listen to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27   stars because it is just too much apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   of my core and i'm having already degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:33   at that level yet but for me personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:35   I think think about the aladdin same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:37   level and it's kind of like you know def [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:39   con levels eventually i will get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   black star point and i will be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   listen to his last album but it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:45   of a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:46   the one thing i will say about black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:47   stories that it's not more than I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:49   there are some out there are soft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   passages in it and it's very reflective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   obviously but it's not morally you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   so don't be worried that it's all sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   of like sad songs about all how terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   it is that we're all gonna die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   it's not you know that's not what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:03   about it all good to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   stringer you heard it yet i have not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:10   are I wanted to put some distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   between his death and am i listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   it not so much because I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   going I just I wanted to hear it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:21   the baggage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:23   show of suffering of him as being get so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26   uh you know it's coming along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29   I and unlike erica i have been listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:32   to my old Bowie uh throughout the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:37   and revisiting old friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:40   I mean the only reason I listen to it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42   all was because my 14 year olds like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:45   have to listen to this this is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:47   and and there was that that moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   I realized my son has listened to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:52   david bowie album before I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:55   that's so cool and and liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:59   that is fantastic and I have a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:03   macabre but kind of tradition if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:07   like of when artists musicians that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   like pass away has been happening with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:13   increasing frequency you know as I grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   older I listened to their music light on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:18   for that day so I spare December 26 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:22   27 listening to nothing but Motorhead i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:25   regularly on the anniversary of layne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   staley is death every year i listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29   alice in chains all day and so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   spent the last few days listening to em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35   pretty much and you know nothing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:36   body and remembering again just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:40   amazing he was you know for all we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:44   talked about his cultural impact we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   talked about his his enormous legacy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   sort of crossing boundaries but at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:51   heart of it all the center of it all if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   you will is he was a great songwriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:57   and he made amazing music he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:01   storyteller you guys they'd kept was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:04   indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:05   alright let's draw to a close there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   thank you very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   Erica thank you for being here tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   thank you so much for reading reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   this it was that i was i was a little i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14   was a little worried i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:15   like but i think this is a good a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:18   thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:18   good way to grieve well dr. drank thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:21   you very much for coming on the show all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   my pleasure and thank you for stepping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:24   into host other my pleasure and David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:27   were thank you very much for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:30   this is a good a good conversation good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   i'm going to thank you you're all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   welcome i'll just quickly say to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:36   sinners if you do want more discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:38   of bowie keep an eye out for this week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   unjustly maligned in which I talk to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:43   old friend and Brody mega fan Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   Mitchell about Tim machine which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   very maligned period of bones career but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:50   you know i think is actually really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   and was absolutely vital to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   reinvigoration into his later sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56   period of work you'll find that ump dfm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4796">TS</a>]

01:20:00   published on monday the 18 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03   meantime thank you all very much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   listening to take care of yourselves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:08   in a week when all of a sudden the stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:11   look very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13   goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:17   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbSoXx4/4820">TS</a>]