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00:00:22 ◼   ► the in comfortable number 287 everybody [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► uncomfortable we had an idea to do an [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► episode about bad Star Trek initiation [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► and I got about 12 people who said they [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► wanted to be on that episode so we're [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► doing two episodes about this is the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► first will be another one a little bit [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► later and if this is about to bad Star [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► Trek movies i declare them bad even if [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► my panel might slightly disagree and [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► they'll be ashamed to the stirring the [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► original Star Trek cast so we're going [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► to be talking tonight about Star Trek [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► the motion picture from 1979 and star [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► trek the final frontier from 1989 [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► directed by mr. william shatner himself [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► joining me to talk about these two fine [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► well okay these films they are films [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► they were put on film are the following [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► David jail or hello hello there [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► go ahead and Fleischmann hi i have an [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► opening statement that i'm saying oh [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► stop dating to the end chip sudderth my [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► oath of celibacy is on record keishon my [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► duties welcome wendover permission [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► granted [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Andy not co hello I would like to greet [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► you in the form of a 90-minute long [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► tracking shots across the bow event i [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► will respond by looking on in awe [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► silently Monty Ashley shock re live long [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► and take a nap halfway through the movie [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► Jason and of course it wouldn't be a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► discussion of Star Trek without mr. [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Scott McNulty hello [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► row row row your boat gently down the [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► road now that's all street like majorly [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► metri let's start with dark the motion [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► picture and then when i was going to [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► star trek five you know what do these in [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► chronological order Star Trek the motion [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► picture 1979 look the idea was Star Trek [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► became a cold success and then there [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► were all these sci-fi movies starting [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► with star wars that were very successful [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► in the late seventies and people at [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► Paramount finally haha [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► I've got a great idea let's let's do [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► that in fact they had just like done all [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► the work to make a new TV series and [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► they just scrapped it and instead they [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► made Star Trek the motion picture it [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► talk about amy was going to be moving [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► then it was gonna be a TV series that [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► was going to be a movie [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► what a mess fortunately the movie isn't [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► a mess at all [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► wait a second I don't wanna I don't want [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► to recap the entire plot because as as [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► suggested by and you wouldn't know it [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► but they're the plot is like 20 seconds [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► okay so here the slot closing price good [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► models you've got here's the plot a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► cloud it that's really big and powerful [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► floats toward the earth the enterprise [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► which is just being refitted seems to be [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► the only ship that can go out and visit [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► the cloud they send the Enterprise Kirk [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► takes command even though he wasn't in [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► command they go and visit the cloud find [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► out that it is an earth probe trying to [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► radio home just like on that old star [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► trek episode The Changeling and it [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► absorbs a couple of members of the crew [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► and disappears the end [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► see see was that hard I i was just it [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► was fascinating to watch this tonight [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► because i was there were 35 minutes in [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► and I realized that and what we've just [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► seen over first 35 minutes would [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► uncovered a 10 seconds of captains law [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► makes loud has been seen approaching the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► earth the enterprise on its way to find [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► out what it's about before kills [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► everybody i've taken command of the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► enterprise even though I'm Admiral and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► action interior bridge [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► you're a couple there were some couple [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► cool scenes i did--like i mean [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► interspersed in this very long movie [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► where like I did like the notion of this [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► kind of big electromagnetic thing of [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► like the special effect of the Klingon [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► ship being dissolved like it was hokey [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► but it was also a little different [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► there's a lot of you know until you know [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► what's going on [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► there's a nice sense of this the scope [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► of this thing it's 81 is a 68 use that's [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► awfully large land could have all been [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► handled with eight with a scrolling wall [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► of yellow text recently noticed that [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► little let's also acknowledge that they [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► had they replayed that entire scene only [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► with the with the with a federation ship [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► and the Federation outpost it's the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► first try it was absolutely unnecessary [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► and then there's the whole set of the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► they load up the first 45 minutes with [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► oh my god that the are the ship isn't [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► really ready to go out there's gonna be [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► so many malfunctions and effect but that [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► doesn't play into anything that happens [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► later so snow [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► that goes out and we'll never ever [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► getting back together [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► yeah why were they apart why did they [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► have to be apart [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► why were they in the movie there the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► movies not about the band movies is uber [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► and process Khambhat up but they [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► actually I early show otherwise the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► century 21 real estate agent can now [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► captain the enterprise and not Sulu well [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► as the I feel bad for Decker because he [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► said that this community have to wait [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► for pretty [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► hey he gets bumped down to science [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► officer although apparently that's a job [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► normally held by every Vulcan in the [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► world and then he gets science officer [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► taken away from him from a plant [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► standpoint he's very important but he's [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► really just there to carry sort of a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► romantic subplot i propose that he is mo [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► yeah it's got the is but he did have two [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► jobs when he was bumped down he was the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► executive officer and science off so [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► well because work is going to be soaring [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► backup Vulcan so I want everyone just a [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► moment the the Vulcan shot because that [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► was very weird the spot you know he's [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► been apparently in silent meditation for [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► two-and-a-half years to get some color [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► glass urging his emotions yeah and the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► Vulcans a square together speaking [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Finnish I was like I've never heard [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► Vulcan spouts oh-58 a whole field it's [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like I i believe the story there is that [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► they just did all the dialogue in [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► English and they thought it would be [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► cooler if it sounded aliens so they kind [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► of overdubbed it but it's all in the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► same things because they're overdubbing [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► the language the English with with fake [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► English and it sounds ridiculous and [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► that was well before Marco grand so [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► here's the here's a problem I i think [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► with the first part of this movie is is [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it is i think Andy's write a lot of this [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► is unnecessary [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► it is very long and it's hard to see why [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it's in the movie other than the fact [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► that they thought it would look cool or [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► be cool in some way and and you know [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► what this movie looks good and it sounds [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the music is good music here are your [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► results that you're there you're going [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► to lose that [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► copy that I've got to waking up you're [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► breaking up I can't hear you scott doing [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► I really happy I understand that's the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► Klingon sequence does not need to be [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► there but i love that sequence so much [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► because i enjoy those ships and you have [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► to think about this is the first time in [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► ten years people are seeing Star Trek [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► and while that was very disappointing [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► when they saw this movie because this [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► movie is not very good see those see [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► those Klingon Cruiser like oh my god its [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► star trek it's never looked this good [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► and then four and a half hours later as [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the that sequence ends you think well [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► maybe they could speed can't wait to see [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► it's also false advertising is like I [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► can't wait to see what the Klingons are [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► up to in this week [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► well you'll never sell them on just [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► right there digitized but to work [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's like you you went to [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► all the trouble to come up with this [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► fancy complicated makeup to redo what [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► Klingons look like you've come up with [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► all the ships and the models and then we [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► never see them again and then the great [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► Cleon music yeah and and I get it it's [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► like okay we want to see the Klingon [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► bird-of-prey on a big screen [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► hey let's go to Vulcan as long as we're [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► going on the big screen let's see Vulcan [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► on the big screen but science statue [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► there standing under the strange and [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► Vulcan seems to be a hellscape because [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► the absolute success star trek for does [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the opening of this movie better in [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► every respect you have ships you have [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the ship's dying when the programs by [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► Vulcan looks better [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► it's it you know you don't need you we [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► don't need star trek one we have Star [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► Trek for you're also giving spacca of a [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► reason to actually have a have an arc [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► throughout the show you know instead of [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► a ok so that's a part of the supplies [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► going to be Spock's rediscovery of [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► himself [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► no they just needed to get his ass off [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► of Vulcan and onto the ship is the only [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► one of the universe who resonates with [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► this thing to it's never explained it's [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► a plot point it's just a horse [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► well it's right that the second answer [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► is this was written as the pilot for the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► series they were gonna do [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► yeah and then they changed it without [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► really rethinking it as anything more [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► in this interesting story that would [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► have been fine as a 44-minute episode [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► and then they're like oh what's gonna [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► have more effect it's gotta be bigger [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► and and instead of actually you know [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► making a story that was big [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► they just added more shots of the ship [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► because the ship looks really good thing [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► because it looks bad conscience well i [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► think the Klingon ships look bad because [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► there clearly models they are in perfect [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► formation and they stay right there [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► yes I think it sounds bad sounds like [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► Star Wars not Star Trek wait what sounds [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► bad about the scenes in the movie that [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► the theme song specifically it starts [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► with this big bombastic Oh John Williams [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► sounding theme then you have a starscape [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► and it pans down to see starships yeah [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► that coming on the Klingon the Klingon [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► theme that's going on their gods and you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► can see that it's certainly they're [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► moving information it felt very tron to [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► me almost that same way where it's all [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► locked together and not entirely and not [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► entirely right i think the enterprise [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► model is very nice and the stuff that [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► they do with that again it but endless [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► and I kept watching and thinking well [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► you know at least they reuse this [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► footage and star trek to and that's a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► much better than Betty and it's kind of [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► long seen on star trek to but it's like [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► a fraction of the time they spend in [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► Star Trek the motion picture on the same [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► effect all agree with Monty on the music [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► I you know I'm glad jerry goldsmith got [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► paid [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► he does a very good chance that i have [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► never liked that theme which the baba [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► but that one of these and it's so yeah [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► next generation right they reused in [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► Star Trek The Next Generation it's funny [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► I couldn't remember because so familiar [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► i was like i just remembering this [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► wrongs and watch next generation for [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► some time but I i thought the music was [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► suppose it was great throughout was my [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► feeling i would often forget was on [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► screen actually listen to the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► orchestration he did an incredible job [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► lots of different instruments some [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► experimental instruments he likes um I [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► think they were gonna say he's a big [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► turbo fan is back feeling because a lot [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► of like low rumbling stuff had on [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► noise-canceling headphones and wasn't [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► i'd love to get the soundtrack to this i [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► think it was so much better than the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► movie The [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► actual sentence can be created yeah you [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► know you're exactly right Glenn the most [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► exciting thing about this movie's the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► overture it's well I know you can't be [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► one less than I can't let this planet [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► north of the Klingon uniforms too i was [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► the only out i'm done grasping for [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► positive things to say they didn't come [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► up with that the Klingon uniforms which [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► is a really good uniform design that [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► actually was good enough that they could [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► use it for the entire series that was [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► great the sum of the uniforms [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► engineering also i was surprised also [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► that actually they just reuse the okay [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that was good enough especially because [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► all of the other costumes here we're [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► just full skirts short sleeve uniform [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► but we got against pajamas and uh [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► jumpsuit [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► I never understood the whole very pale [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► like washed-out earth-tone silk pajamas [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► all I could think was that they used all [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► of the colors in the movie poster and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► setup we don't have any more color [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► budget [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► see this is what happens when you don't [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► use your time at mood wisely you only [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► have 30 minutes if so in the first the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► first third of this movie I thought if [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you if you cut down a lot of the [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► unnecessary stuff because the fact is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► there is a huge amount of I mean it is [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► you think when you're gonna watch it [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► again you think well you know I probably [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► overstated and then watching you don't [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► know I understated it there are minutes [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► were all there are special effects and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► we were we were talking on that random [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► track episode Scott about Star Trek for [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► about how it starts with them want [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► everybody on in the movie watching star [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► trek 3 and then search for syria in this [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► literally at several points of watching [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► our characters watching the movie with [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► us using it's just so that goes on [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► forever but one of the things that I I [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► thought watching through this time is [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► there is a nugget of an interesting bit [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► of drama in the first act of this [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► because you have you have themes that [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► would be revisited in some cases in [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► other movies you've got Kirk wanting to [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► research command and there's the Kirk [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► Decker dynamic i think is kind of [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► interesting how McCoy who Kirk is kind [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► of brought on because he's trying to get [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the band back together but McCoy [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► immediately calls Kirk on his BS and & [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► Decker knows what's what I think I think [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► that's an icy what they're doing there [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► and i think that was kind of interesting [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► but we'll see that's where I thought it [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► started to go off the rails for me well [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► okay go house where to go with that well [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► stop big because they established Decker [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► as the guys alright he's going to be [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► Kirk's executive officer is going to be [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► telling Kirk no we can't do that so Kurt [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► can show how manly he is but then they [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► bring McCoy on and that's McCoy's only [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► job is to call Curtis stuff it's not [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► like he has a lot of surgery to do in [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► the movie [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► yeah so before you know it McCoy is [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► doing all the things that Decker's [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► character ought to be doing a decorator [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► just standing around they're having a [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► chin [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► well i think i see I don't entirely [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► agree with that because although I [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► though although bones does do that the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► whole idea here is the Kirk is not this [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► about not relinquishing things to the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► next generation and he Decker knows more [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► about the ship and Kirk does and and [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► Kirk does not appreciate that other [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► people have you know like decorate he [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► has qualifications and I let what like i [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► was saying i think i see what they were [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► trying to do there [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► I do think that it it it all falls apart [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► fairly quickly but but i sat i SAT there [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► thinking you know I could see how [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► somebody could come in with this first [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► act and say I see where we can take this [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► to lead to some dramatic story choices [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► and arrest the movie [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► none of that happens meeting of it how I [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► want to point out something about [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► Decker's indexes competences remember [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the scene when Kirk comes on board right [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and he's it takes 40 minutes so you can [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► never forget how long it takes out their [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► body to do another loop around cuddy [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► this step just a slow it down Scotty [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► you're going too fast I want this to [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► take 10 minutes to get there Kirk [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► suffers from motion sickness [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► little-known fact is in engineering [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Scotty is talking about the transporter [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► right & Decker's trying to fix something [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► he fixes the transporter system the next [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► time here on the transporter is when the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► Vulcan and someone else are melted in [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► the transporter beam so I would question [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► his competency let me take a break to [TS]

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00:18:00 ◼   ► can I can I also mentioned I mean we we [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► could list them all but like the the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► transporter accident see that sword the [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► wormhole seen it the there are so many [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► scenes in this movie that you look at [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► you look why does that exist in the [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► world will see i guess exist to show [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► while Decker knew better but it's a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► waste of time and it goes on for so long [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► the transporter accident it's a waste [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► it's a way don't because that's over you [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► to do to add that extra kick in the nuts [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► is not only is this movie going slowly [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► but through the wormhole saying let's [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► have everything happened just to just to [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► really lower the Occidental doorbell [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► rings I'm gonna go away it makes the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► great man's right comparing the i'm [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► sorry i'll repeat that for use and [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► asteroid yeah we could see it's an [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► aspiration that god I think that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► wormhole scene is there because star [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► wars had a very exciting going into [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► hyperspace scene so we need to make [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► three very exciting going to work drive [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► scene and then something has to happen [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and then we can get on with our plot but [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► there's just yeah there's no reason so [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► not wagon train to the stars you know [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► this is so not Horatio Hornblower in [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► space they I i can see the eye can see a [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► bit of the logic in the studio saying [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► okay we want to make this movie because [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► Star Wars is big but we don't want to [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► just eight star wars so let's eight 2001 [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► or something let's go we have YS and all [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the stuff but specifically the pacing of [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► 5001 yes [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► oh well I thought that clicks into [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► something that I was really very aware [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► of it really seems like this is gene [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► roddenberry's attempt to say oh oh I [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► can't believe you thought that [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► piece-of-crap Star Wars was good [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► let me show you what a real science [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► fiction is about it's about every little [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► scientific detail and making sure we're [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► thinking about our feelings at every [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► point of the way don't worry I'll fix [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► every and phone and ate the evidence of [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► that is not only the movie itself but [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► the fact that Gene Roddenberry did the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► exact same thing all over again with [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► next-generation Decker is Riker is [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► really is i Leah Jerry Goldsmith is [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► jerry goldsmith collecting checks for [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► things he wrote ten years ago we talked [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► about Roddenberry and i think i will be [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► talking about the latter third of this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► movie doesn't the last 10 hours and [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► again I think the interior features [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► stuff is beautiful and i got to study it [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► in detail that goes for for a long time [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it's locked going out in the suit by the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► way another scene it's like why is that [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► even in there but but here's the thing [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► about that end of the movie that is the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► worst kind of Gene Roddenberry story not [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► only is it creeping from the changeling [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► on the original Star Trek episode and [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► the end the Eilean subplot where they're [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► trying to teach the i Leah duplicate to [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► be sort of like to play her into being [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► human again is a knockoff of take your [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► pick the one with the kelvans or the one [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► with the though the water little girls [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► made of the episode that's like half of [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► Spock's scenes in the whole series yeah [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► so you jam that in there too but the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► problem is that the end it becomes I [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► mean there is it's all the things that [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► you can complain about about gene [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► roddenberry's utopian vision and [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► believing that he's this amazing visit [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► visionary there's no conflict [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► there's the it's all about humanity [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► striving to better themselves in the end [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► people get glowy and things disappear [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► and that's the end of the blood he and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► there's no villain there's if there's a [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► sense of wonder like he literally thinks [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► that that people will enjoy this movie [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► because they'll enjoy watching [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► characters they love watch special [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► effects and then that's a whole last [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► third of of the film it's like Field of [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► Dreams he the features wants to meet his [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► dad again and play catch ya well feature [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► was an actual character instead of just [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► being a set then that might have been [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► interesting to write but it was just [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't think there and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► explore the idea to like there's a [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► planet machine intelligences is a really [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► cool idea also explored in early episode [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► of futurama for a bot planet and I think [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► that although it did it much better have [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► to say silence [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► and anyway sorry but the people [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► understand futurama will get that but [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► the that's a very interesting idea but [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► it's told right it's not the show till [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it's that old thing they're talking [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► about a planet machine intelligences we [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► don't even get like a scene like a a [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► cutaway it's all you're standing in [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► front of machinery and special effects [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► talking about things describing things [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► that are actually very interesting [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► conceptually if they were explored or [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► they could have been a tron they could [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► have done a you know an early matrix C [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► kind of thing and said we're going into [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► the mind of feature because we need to [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► teach it what humanity is anything [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► instead of they're like oh there's a [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► shorted wire i'll type in something very [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► quickly that you can't see so clearly [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► you don't even know what I just said [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► and then i will go into start us hello [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► and and well the whole plot of this film [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► is essentially the enterprise drives out [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► to see a cloud and the cloud [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► disappearance might have sex with humans [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► found on a cloud that second Decker [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► Decker quantum leap's let's not forget [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► sure he does yeah that's exactly it [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► hopes will because she's a teenager [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► preparing to go see The Beatles at the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► end Sullivan Show but unfortunately she [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► left a pair curlers on it should burn [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► the house down and she left home and got [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► killed [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► so now Decker is going to be her for the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► next two weeks see the beatles and save [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► her life either theory and who this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► movie was made for i think was for the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► model builders because of every science [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► fiction movie this movie gives you the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► best look at every single spaceship like [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► if you're building an enterprise [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► this is the movie you want your visit [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► water tank down there too yeah every see [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► where it oh that's the office level huh [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► got office level that was my favorite [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► label and another level [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► exterior office league level label [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► outside of a star just goes you can see [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► because you get those duck boat tours of [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the truck they want to sit the first [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► they want to see is the office level of [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► the enterprise oh my god that was great [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► monty monty out I'll do you one better [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► this is the same impulse that made the [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► Star Wars prequels they knew they went [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► they went into Star Trek and they like [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► it's been 10 years [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► let's do something special let's make [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► your big ship big models and and let's [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► see earth let's see what the human let's [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► see what the human [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► this is really like in the 23rd century [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► they get so deep into Star Trek universe [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► kinds of stuff they forget to tell a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► story it it [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► this totally feels like a it's totally [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► feels like the George Lucas prequels and [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► it's it's it's people who love star trek [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► so much and don't get me wrong you know [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► after ten years there's a whole lot of [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► nostalgic power to seeing the band get [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► back together again but that's all this [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► is this is oh my god i love my star trek [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► so much i'm going to make a movie about [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► oh so it's fan Fitzpatrick for model [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► builders it's fanfic by robin i think it [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► I think chip you got you got something [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► where this is about the creator of the [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► property that was successful not [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► understanding why people liked it and [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► making decisions based on his sort of [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► blown up a ego about like I i have big [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► big ideas and big plans i'm going to in [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► Roddenberry's case talk about this [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► utopian view vision of humanity and also [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► sort of with a side of dirty old man sex [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► commentary and with Lucas it was all [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► about like digital sets in digital [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► extensions and and it's it's a movie for [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► kids but I'm bringing the entire medium [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► forward and in both cases these guys are [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► diluted and they create a piece of junk [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► because they don't actually understand [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► what it is they created and why people [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► responded to it i don't know if i recall [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the Star Trek the motion picture a piece [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► of junk but I feel like it doesn't it [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► lays a lot of foundation for what the [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► other better movies do and also i think [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► they're still there's not a lot of it [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► but there's still that great interaction [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► between you know the holy trinity [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► trinity of Star Trek McCoy Spock and [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► Kirk when they get together it's still [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► good but there's not a whole lot of it [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► there's a lot of them looking at things [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► together i was i was surprised by how [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► much of this movie actually does last [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► four years the sets last pretty much [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► through Star Trek for the security [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► uniforms [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► you even said that security universal [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► drinks yes that's because they're cheap [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► skates not because they didn't let alone [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► yesterday one of the reasons star trek [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► to I mean as a fantasy [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► track two I looked at this noticed all [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► the things that they resist or two and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► one of the reasons star trek to was able [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► to be made on the budget that it was and [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► look as good as it does is because they [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► got to reuse a lot of stuff that they [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► paid for Star Trek the motion picture [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► but real quick uh let me let me finish [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► the list you know wrist communicator [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► capital use one of those risks correct [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► communities in Star Trek to the Klingon [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► designs the Vulcan designs and they last [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► for forever [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► Spock's emotional development are the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► spa QC in star trek to is clearly the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► spot who went through all this stuff in [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► Star Trek one it's like the only thing [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that was thrown away with the pajamas [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► yeah I don't know about their but i [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► think i think that's it that's an idea [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► of a of a of a plot thread that they had [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► on the on the corkboard that they forgot [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► to pick up i think that it's it's easy [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► to forget it you can you can you can [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► drop into Star Trek to without having [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► seen Star Trek one and think it's one of [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► the greatest moves you've ever seen i do [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► think it's a great movie i think part of [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► it is that it's almost as if it's almost [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► as if they had they cast Montalban [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► specifically because they realize [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► exactly how little energy there wasn't [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the first one [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► yeah i think if they put this i'm being [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► completely serious here that if I think [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► that if they put this big huge bright [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► Sun in the middle of this story [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► everybody's going to be thrown around [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► its orbit and its heat and it's like [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► that's why these two are as far as [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► different as night and day so I i think [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that Spock is just another failed [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► subplot in Star Trek one star trek to [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► they have this entire thing from start [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► to finish about how look we are a crew [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► of like X hundreds of people and one [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► person might have to sacrifice for [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► everybody that and there's sometimes [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► where as much as you would with all [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► opening scene as in star trek to you [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► might want to hopefully be able to save [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► I'm telling you there are situations [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► where that's not possible so you just [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► have to make the best decision there is [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► there's no that through line of a story [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► in the first movie [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► no I like I like what they try to do [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► with Spock the idea there is Spock's [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► finally decided what he's going to do [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► with his life which is going to purchase [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► emotions and really be a Vulcan and and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► then he needs a feature and feature is [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► completely emotionless and that's why [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► they can't communicate with it it is a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► way it is seen the entire universe and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► doesn't understand it because it has no [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► you know he'd have no humanity and Spock [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► realizes that this is his great [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► mistake is that he needs to not purchase [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► humanity but embrace it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► ok on paper that sounds good the movie [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► doesn't really earn it and you're right [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► Andy you could not see this movie and [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► c-spot and star trek to and B hey its [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► box and not you know it's not he's going [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► to change character in star trek to but [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► i like the idea of of that story arc I [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► just don't think it's earned because [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► very little is also i wanted to mention [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► Kirk is so passive in this movie most of [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the time and that's another reason when [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► you look at Martha bono legal give Kirk [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► an enemy in somebody to play off of [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► because in this movie like his biggest [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► moves that he makes for things like [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► belaying orders from Decker like no it's [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► not radio for help or no lets things [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like ordering them not to do things is [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► like Kirk is most active which is no [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► it's believable to have Kirk you know [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► trying to recapture his glory he was [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► been benched for two-and-a-half years [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► it's believable for him to try to get [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► things back and for him not to be firing [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► on all cylinders yet but it's not it's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► not good storytelling is not interested [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► yeah it if thats that's where you end [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► you know like the midpoint that's the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► midpoint of the thing is where he makes [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► that shift to being the Kirk we we know [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► and love but it's he's like that for the [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► home yeah i want to point out the spark [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► thing that I think they did very well [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it's in passing but happens a few times [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► I'd forgotten it was in the movie is you [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► know he's ostensibly purchases emotions [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► he's been in meditation he's been [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► disappointed but it's not supposed to [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► experience emotions when he comes aboard [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► and he's absolutely stone-faced everyone [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► yeah and there we actually thought that [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► was actually he seemed alien he doesn't [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► seem you know the way he's dressed the [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► way he carries himself he's just [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► completely absent from them and they're [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► all getting kind of increasingly pissed [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► off and trying to cope with that and I [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► actually thought that was legitimate [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► because that was an old camaraderie is [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► gone [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► he's not the person they knew their [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► trying to roll with the fact that you [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► know this is we maybe now but if that's [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► what they're all so excited everyone [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► says Sulu and check everyone stands up [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► and and mr. Jacques magical barrier you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► mean she had like one speaking right but [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► she had that plot in the series where [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► she wasn't sort of in love with him in [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the original series right and she's [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► there is just like turns around walks [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► and that that was actually a defective [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► emotional bit and by the way this is his [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► shuttle docking [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► is another one of those scenes that is [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► endless and has no reason to be in a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► movie it's a long-range shuttle it's [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► probably a career it's really cool to [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► see it doc it's gotta work hard and he [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► attaches from the warp sweat and comes [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► in an attachment so very cool asleep in [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the park doesn't remember it flips over [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► its various i almost want that model i [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► get Tom servo maybe this is a [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► documentary on how to dock a [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► shuttlecraft like a starship Jerry [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► Goldsmith has convinced this is the most [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► exciting see that not every scene is the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► most exciting see now the reason jerry [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► goldsmith thinks everything is exciting [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► is because he was writing it without the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► footage [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► yeah great the medium is having his head [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► was going is the schools with good [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► headcanon so there's a director's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► edition of this which I owned by i was [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► actually um i'm robert wise says [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► apparently they they ran out of time to [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► edit this movie because it did it did [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► come down to the end and they were [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► cutting it not only were they were they [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► were rewriting it while they were [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► shooting which is never a good sign but [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► they were editing it up until the [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► drop-dead the director's edition is [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► better pace i wouldn't say it's fast [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► enough paste I feel like there must be a [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► really good fan edit out of there out of [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► this movie that is better but it's [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► better person and it's got some nicer [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► things in it and it's got some someone [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► pushing that two times fast forward but [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► yeah well you know i just i would be [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► kind of interested to see how you could [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► artfully cut this movie down by an hour [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► easily but anyway the director's edition [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► i will say I i think it's a better [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► addition I think it's got some nice [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► things it makes it sinks Vulcan up [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► Vulcan looks a little bit like a son [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► blasted hellscape and a little more like [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► Vulcan as we've seen in other things [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► it's ok but you know there's only so [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► much that anyone can do with this [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► because i have any of you seen the [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► special longer version [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► yes no there's one the yes there is one [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► version right it was it was good to fill [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► the three hours slot [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► yeah they said they'd say so they make [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► it made it longer for television so [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► there's even more staring out at port [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► holes but there are also some of the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► character bits that aren't even in the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► director's cut their kind of nice [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Sulu making a fool of himself in front [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► of i Leah because she's she's she's a [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► sexy delton yeah some more some more [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► banter between Kirk and Spock and McCoy [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► where the human moments that were left [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► on the cutting room floor because you [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► know we've got to be more 2001 hey so I [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► got it I got a issue here about i Leah [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and the nation nature of consciousness [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► where this movie is ostensibly one of [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► the things is exploring is what the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► nature of consciousness is it just [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► doesn't very badly then within the movie [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► they take a character they destroy her [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► and create a duplicate which were then [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► supposed to I guess people are not [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► suitably horrified by the android that [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► appears i mean it's it's so emotionless [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► second-stringers more upset that he's [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► been ordered by Kirk to go follow her [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► around yeah and she's dead she's a tiger [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► and this is red simulator was in love [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► they were lovers [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► yeah and that she should disintegrate in [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► front of Decker and he shows no sign he [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► said he's like slightly slightly put out [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► there then her her destructor send a [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► probe that looks exactly like her and [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► has access to all of her memories to [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► examine them and he is more upset about [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► is being ordered around by Kirk then he [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► is you know sort of disgusted and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► infuriated by this you know simulacrum [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► of his former lover that's in front of [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► them it is baffling well this is the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► fundamental scientific theme is what is [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► consciousness when you take someone's [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► memories you stick another body the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► transporter you know what's happening [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► with someone's transporter they killed [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► and reassembled the notion of where the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Solarize these are all fundamental [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► science fiction concepts and they're [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► like well she's disintegrated and [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► there's a new one who's entirely [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► nanoscopic she sweats just like the old [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► one so whatever she breaks just regular [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► a little bit there you got the theme of [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► this movie is stated when I'll ESS the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► words recreation and enjoy have no [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► meaning to my programming or to any [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► viewer of this movie [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► oh my part of the reason this is so [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► unpleasant is because everyone in the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► movie is uncomfortable all of the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► characters are comfortable with others [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► yeah well that too polyester doesn't [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► breathe [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► I think Scotty's ok Scotty's okay [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► they're out of sorts with each other [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► I'm coming out the length of her shorty [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► robe i keep getting nervous about it [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► means having a spa day that's what I [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► thought [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► the top of your robe I don't like [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► because without getting into too many [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► details the the color and her bald head [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► butt from the back is certain [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► uncomfortably anatomical effect i'm sure [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► Jean I'm sure he appreciated that [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► because but it was cool about it in the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► future man it's all cool in the future [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► man we all just wear a jumpsuit that's [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► well you know they use this as raw [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► material for better movies to come [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► what and that's that's the reason the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► original show worked is because they all [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► worked together in this one they're all [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► just not we're getting together and [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► they're arguing [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► well at least the human adventure is [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► just beginning all right I've had enough [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► of starting and I make it up to her 80s [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► final final thoughts Monty yes one I [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► really like that moment when Kirk first [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► gets on the enterprise and the incident [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► is going to show him to the bridge and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► Kirk says I think I know how to do it [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► hi the answer is walk five feet into an [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► elevator it's a bridge and in JJ Abrams [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► defense [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► there's a lot of lens flare in this [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► movie now yeah yeah and a lot of weight [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► sets to yeah you know I think there's [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► some actually some some costumes in the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► JJ Abrams Star Trek that are [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► intentionally echoing the pajamas 20 [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► because how could you not all right [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► let's move on 10 years into the future [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► to star trek five colon the final [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► frontier of the backslash html5 Nicholas [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► gone 40 for the entertainment server [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► which was the most generic name possible [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the motion picture or the final frontier [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► I don't know it's time I know frontier [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► and close i have the the blu-ray of this [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► because it came with the other better [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► movies and it has a little documentary [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► about the making like you know people [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► talk about the screenwriter and William [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► Shatner and have been at all talking [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► about it and it's a fascinating [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► documentary to watch because they're all [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► talking about this horrible movie that [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► not very good and there are many like [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► Harvin it was like I was not gonna I [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► didn't want to be part of this William [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► Shatner talk me into its they all said [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► that they call this movie bills turn [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► because he was contractually he only did [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► Star Trek for because he was going to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► direct star trek five and if he didn't [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► he was going to do the movie anymore and [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► the screenwriter was like you know we [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► have the scene where we need to distract [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► some people so I jokingly said why don't [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► we have a whore do a dance and everyone [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► in the room said that's a great idea and [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► he was like no let's not do that now i [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► know we're putting in the movie yeah be [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► careful what you guys think you got you [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► can't you can't help but notice that the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► first 20 or 30 minutes of Star Trek 5 [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► has a lot of people telling her how [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► awesome they are hayas you know no I'm [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► sorry bill but we do i need Kirk here [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► for this mission [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► the first 20 minutes for my favorite [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► part because unlike the other star trek [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► movie i just watched it and people [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► sitting around having fun and go [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► straight there was hardly any Kirk Spock [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► McCoy better in the first movie and this [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► movie looks like there's going to be all [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► Kirk Spock McCoy better which not great [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► but would've been a place like something [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► there there at opposite ends of the bell [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► curve there [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah i agree i think because I look [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► at the first half hour of this movie and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► I think it is the most spectacularly [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► self-indulgent that piece of garbage [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► look at the whole thing that well the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► entire day with this is having honestly [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► if I had one word to describe star trek [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► 5i thought perhaps I'd only seen it once [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► in them in the theater in 1989 [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► yeah and I'm a Star Trek fan I just [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► never need to revisit i revisited [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► finally in the last week for this if I [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► had to review it with one word it would [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► be garbage [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► it is a piece of garbage but it is [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► terrible on so many levels I I didn't [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► realize how bad it was [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► but the beginning really offends me [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► because I feel like it's PIAA again it's [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► just completely self-indulgent well Kirk [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► Spock and McCoy a great having you know [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► jet boots and away muttering to himself [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► in Yosemite and did we really need to [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► see star trek five the camping trip but [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► that's what we see here and there's that [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► whole like the nimbus thing at the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► beginning which is kind of ridiculous [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► and and miss uses a lot of interesting [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► actors or at least David Warner [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► I know I feel like that's the word David [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► Warner I know I love him so much in this [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► film up and and and learns like Lawrence [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► luck bill i think is terrible in this is [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► it is not i mean i know they wanted I [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► guess Sean Connery for it but who surely [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► there was a better suited actor to play [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► a Vulcan cult leader than Lawrence luck [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► and Bill who is just this kind of genial [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► guy it's just it's baffling it's [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► baffling to me he is a contrast I mean [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► he's supposed to be a jovial Vulcan so [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► true and in the documentary Harv Bennett [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► said this is gonna be a great scene [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► we're going to show of Vulcan and then [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► he's going to laugh at people are going [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► to lose their minds and there's an [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► awkward pause and he says next time like [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► i got i can see so many things in this [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► movie working in West they were thinking [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► about him and that's one of them and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► that's like yeah that's kind of an [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► interesting idea [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► it's not done very well nothing in this [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► film is done very well yeah I wouldn't [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► say this is a good movie but I certainly [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► found it more entertaining than the [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► other movie just because they said [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► things happening on the screen or any [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► gentleman who have steak but it was just [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► moving rapidly in front of your eyes I [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► will grant you that money let me [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► summarize the plot of this one by the [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Kirk and Spock McCoy and the rest of the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► crew of the enterprise are on a camping [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► trip and they're called back to the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► enterprise because again for reasons [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► unknown they're the only ship that can [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► go and deal with this diplomatic problem [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► where there are hostages at a base in [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► the neutral zone when they get there the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► enterprise is taken over by the hostile [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► force of people who kidnapped led by a [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► Vulcan who apparently is box [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► half-brother and the they take the [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► enterprise to the center of the galaxy [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► through the great barrier which is not [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the same great barrier on the outside of [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► the galaxy because this one is [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► apparently on the inside the galaxy star [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► trek moment there it's not they find a [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► planet there's a big head [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► it says it's God Kirk says but wait a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► second why you what you need a ride on [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► our spaceship if your God and then I [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► wrong they run around a little bit and [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► apparently God blows up with a photon [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► torpedo also there are some comedy also [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► i should say in the other side plot [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► there are seeing some comic relief [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► bonds with the worst Klingon makeup you [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► will ever see and they the at the end [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► the Klingon ambassador makes them [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► apologize that Star Trek five and then [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► there's a cocktail party I was expecting [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► that like I was like apologize now [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► commit ritual suicide in front of [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► okay you can't forget the cocktail party [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► where they all high-five about how great [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► they are now that's true that the end of [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► movie it does i'm surprised that they [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► all didn't tell a joke and laugh [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► together I was betrayed by their father [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► misuse of the word marshmallow and then [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► I had to read the back story i was even [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► more upset about it there's backstory [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► oh you mean yes with the marshmallow not [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► futuristic marshmallow dispenser [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► yeah and it says marsh melanie has in [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► the novelization know he has manipulated [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► the memory banks spot learns I like shut [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► yeah bill mhm it was a joke that didn't [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► land we're okay with that i will sit [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► there are two things i did like about [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Star Trek five number one after the [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► previous three or four movies that [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► looked so horribly like not just a TV [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► show but like this though when the last [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► three episodes of the third to the last [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► episode in the shooting schedule where [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► they've run out of money and they need [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► to save all the money for like the [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► two-part season finale and so there's [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► just no money to make anything look okay [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► ever so there are parts of it that [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► actually look like an actual movie and I [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► also like the one there's one actually [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► really good thread that they've managed [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► to put through most of the movies and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that is the fact that these guys is [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► getting old they get older they don't [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► like getting old that don't like the [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► fact that they're not really in touch [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and they're no longer the a prime crew [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► anymore and so as a result Starfleet for [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► them becomes just these three or four [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► people that they've grown to know and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► love [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► so I i'm willing to give them a bit of a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► mulligan on the sitting around the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► campfire bits and then the beans and [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► bourbon jokes in the marshmallow and [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► stuff other than that the fact that I [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► used to have my bike locked up with [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► Windows kryptonite locks you can open [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► without with a pic with a big pen I [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► didn't know the enterprise cuz was easy [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► to steal and that that was that 10,000 [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► not a good idea [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► well especially after structu when we [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► discover all the locks and things they [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► got you're like wait we already know [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► five-digit code [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► we should go to execute a couple hours [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► to go through all those combinations [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► what did you know eight you read about [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► how Shatner had this grand plan and you [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► know okay there's the Writers Guild [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► strike then there was the the special [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► effects that didn't that didn't work in [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► ilm gave them sort of like the the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► cast-off special effects and hundred and [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► ten degree weather drink some of the [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► shooting and and an ego [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► alright alright bad things happen fine [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► but you know and and there is there is [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► like the kernel of an interesting idea [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► again you know it's like there's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► something philosophical there's [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► something very trick to the concept of [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it but it's also badly done and it'sit's [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► shatter being self-indulgent for the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► whole thing of course there's something [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► track about it they're always meeting [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► space gods yes it is in fact when people [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► say when people negatively review a star [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► trek movie because they say it doesn't [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► really fit into the ideals of the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► television series i point out that the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► two worst Star Trek movies arguably are [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► the ones that are most closely aligned [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► to the ideals of Star Trek series and [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► that started the motion picture and star [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► trek five where nothing much happens and [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► it's kind of dumb because there's just a [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► space God or cloud at the end because [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the the thing that kills me about it is [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► you you read about how Shatner fought to [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► keep everything in and and they had to [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► you know Harv gonna cut it down and they [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► had to recut it because chatter wanted [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► more stuff and watching this and [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► thinking and and he needed all these [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► effects right so what are all these [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► effects well he's got all these [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► shuttlecrafts flying around because [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► transporter doesn't work [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► oh no and then they're looking at things [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► through the view screen and the window [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► in the shuttlecraft and they're doing [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► all these things if you had just left [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► the transporter alone your story would [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► have been sharper and you have been able [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► to cut like all of these special effects [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► you have had this like stock effect that [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► was easy to do that they did all the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► time and you could've actually like made [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► more story this for a short film this [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► has a lot of dead time of them just [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► sitting in the shuttlecrafts flying [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► again and it's just it's Star Trek the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► motion picture done not as well [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► well I wonder if this was more of an [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► inspiration for galaxy quest then more [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► than some of the other movies and TV [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► a couple scenes in here was like this is [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► a shot-for-shot a galaxy quest moment [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and that sort of tone the bombastic mess [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► of it and that self-importance even Curt [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► mean both him directing the film but [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► also the way his characters played in [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► the movie both were very much [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► i I don't know I because i haven't seen [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► for a long time like JC don't know four [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► seasons was in the theater maybe once [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► and I saw it just snapped into into that [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► parody mode i had never seen it but I [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► had seen Star Trek the motion picture [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► when it came out and not since and I'd [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► never seen this and back-to-back I liked [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► this more just because something was [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► mhm i will agree that something happens [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► I do i do agree i'm not gonna I'm not [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► gonna refuse that there there there is [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► motion on the screen a whole lot more [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► I mean to be fair my notes and right [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► after the camping trip and pick up at [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► the end of saying what is with this [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► cocktail party [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► yeah didn't matter but I have a lot of [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► notes on the camera i hate i hate the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► the side-box stuff a lot i hate the give [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► me your pain thing I don't think it's [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► clear at all in the script of how that [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► works and how it's it's it's mind [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► control but it's also not mind control [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► it's just that once you don't have turns [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► out Sulu and Chekov in hora the only [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► reason that they followed orders was [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► because they were tormented by their [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► internal pain i guess because once they [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► were relieved of that they were happy to [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► go to the center of the galaxy with [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► sidewalk i also really don't understand [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► the scene where Sybok shows McCoy and [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Kirk and Spock or walk away and Spock [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the source of their pain because it's [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► unclear whether that's first it's like [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► is that happening in their heads or are [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► they seeing it and then are the initial [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► reaction shots from the other characters [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► like they're also seeing your personal [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► flashbacks which unless there's some [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► really strange like forebrain mind-meld [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► thing happening [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► it kinda doesn't hold up and doesn't [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► make any sense [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► and although the if the the scene with [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► McCoy and his dad is affecting in it in [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► a way and i know david i think i said [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► it's the only thing in the movie that [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► really works if it is yeah mostly works [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► it none of it none of it does not make [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► any sense luck until I find not [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► believable at any point I don't think he [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► has any [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► Dennis I don't think he believed him as [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► jovial I don't believe him as a Vulcan I [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► he's just a uh yeah he's a different [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► kind of open it is it's really it's [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► really like at the edge of what could [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► have been really deep and profound if [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► they had if they had really committed to [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► look what if the yeah they sure keep [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► coming back to the idea of hey look I [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► got my pain I gotta deal with the things [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► i have to be responsible for as I'm [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► watching this every excuse me at the end [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► of it i'm thinking my god would have [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► been wonderful if it were questionable [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► whether they'd actually found God or not [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► yeah there's enough evidence that no [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► actually we did find God but Kirk [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► because he knows that well if this is an [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► imprisoned alien entity these kids gonna [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► kill everybody so we can't take a chance [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► let's kill God and then for the [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► basically for the capture the movie has [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► to be well yeah I might have basically [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► disconnected all of creation from this [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► source of light and love and perfect [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► truth I gotta deal with that and [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► everyone's gonna like you're gonna hate [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► me for it [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► I mean there's so many simple problems [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like you maybe you you mentioned whether [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► sidewalk has these magical powers if you [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the fact that you make them a Vulcan [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► makes you have to question from the very [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► beginning is this something that is he [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► actually a very positive therapeutic [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► sort of guy or is he just having and [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► doing a mind-meld sort of thing and [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► making people look at like the like the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► long either mystic whatever whatever [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► that stupid the medium medium long [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► medium that's the sidewalk has no shades [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► of gray and if we were wondering about [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► side pocket we wonder is he a cult [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► leader is a murderer or it is the UH [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► meaning you know a good intention guy is [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► a mind-controlling us or is he [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and that sort of lays there in the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► script but it's never really i did like [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► one moment though the one moment which [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► is one of the cheesiest moments when he [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► says we're gonna go find God Kirk says [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► you are bad and just the look yeah I [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► don't doubt that i dislike that's [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► actually that is surprising it was good [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► i think this movie fails so bad not just [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► for general audiences but for hardcore [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► Star Trek fans you know Star Trek for [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► appeal to everybody it was a it was a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► crowd-pleaser it fans loved it [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► general audiences really loved it yeah [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► this one fails [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► one of the weight ways that it failed [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► with the failed with the hardcore [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Trekkies is that we'd already seen a [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► much better story about an emotional [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► Vulcan in the McIntyre's novel [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► enterprise the first adventure which a [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► lot of Star Trek's and even yes yes it's [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► a it's a great story that's a much more [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it is much more effective take on the on [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► the notion of what would be what it [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► would be like for a Vulcan to be [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► emotional it's in its box cousin so [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► right off the bat hardcore Trekkies who [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► buy the books and all this stuff or like [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► we've seen this before this is not new [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► the other thing that really pisses me [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► off about this movie is how every [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► character other than Kirk even even [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► spoken McCoy every other character is [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► taken down a few pegs there is made fun [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► off the engineer can't fix the ship and [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► bashes head the navigator and helmsman [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► get lost in the woods all communications [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► officer dances nude Spock's still out of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► it even though he was all better at the [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► end of the last movie it's a joke that [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► check off could be the cannon captain I [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► hate this movie what it does to the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► characters every character in this tells [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► Kirk how brilliant he is he's the only [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► one who with Stan's Sybok and any [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► apparently Spock and McCoy the original [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► draft we're also going to just go [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► totally with sidewalk and and the two of [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► them are good with that and said no our [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► characters wouldn't do that and so [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► that's the only reason they don't but [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► but yet everything is kirk is great and [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► then Kirk is God you know and and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► especially that that moment in the end [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the cat at the end of the movie he goes [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► maybe God's right here and he taps his [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► chest and there's that pause before he [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► says in the human heart [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► well that's not too oh that's not that [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► out of Star Trek cannon though like a [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► lot of Star Trek seems to be based [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► around and Kirk is the greatest guy in [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the world like Star Trek Star Trek to [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► everybody love star trek to but he's so [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► he broke the Kobayashi Maru we don't [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► mind it there [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► yeah but but it's everybody's kind of [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► annoyed with him for [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► and graceful and he's flawed he is a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► flawed PS user is refusing to accept his [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► his his own mortality and aging in the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► ears kobayashi maru is a symptom of him [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► not being able to accept reality which [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► is not the case in Star Trek five he's [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► certainly flawed here because he claims [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► he loves the song row row your boat [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► doesn't make any Souls it's a great song [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► we don't have nobody left that licensing [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the song we go to the public domain [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► well I think about the movie wasn't [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► being happy birthday watching at the end [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► with the with especially after during [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► the episode and wearing the captain [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► stubing shirt i realized that the end [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► David Warner comes up with the Romulan [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► ambassador it puts his arm around her [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► and sexy and stupid I'm like this is the [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► end of the love boat this last year and [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► yeah everyone your hair's up everything [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► sadly no Mary's Charo yeah it doesn't [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► matter at all kinds people died and all [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► kinds of things are going wrong it's [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► like and now let's put the happy music [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► at the end hopefully at least they're [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► treating their female characters [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► consistently throughout from the start [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► and the end of the movie so so but this [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► is of course the the infamous over a fan [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► dance scene isn't here i am in the midst [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► of a even more ludicrous scene involving [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► the desert raid that happens on the on [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► the the whatever-it-is desert outpost [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that is ignited in the new tradition [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► Kirk solo march to the bar to rescue the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► hostages and he's attacked by a triple [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► breasted cat warrior this is beyond get [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► Ripper cat stripper [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► thank you and and he lifts her up and [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► throw her into the pools or face down [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► she's dead and it's will order dance in [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► my neighborhood it's a cool too and I'm [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► like it goes on they cut back and she's [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► still motionless facedown you know a [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► chance she was the star to look at [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► business hurt her like her like she's [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► like the logo of that bar feeling neon [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► yeah if you notice but let's say I did [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► have to like actually come up your for [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► female characters two of them do [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► stripteases and the other two one of [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► them is a Klingon warrior ok that's cool [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► and the last one is just as she's just [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► cheesy ambassadors there too [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► hey dollface really got through alleged [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► we hate and and one of the Klingon [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► warrior she gets ogled by yeah check out [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► yeah and just really powerful legs [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► she's great muscle person was makeup is [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► unlike any other women sling on we ever [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► see she's got like a lipgloss people can [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► exact same thing that we did was take [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► them something on wants to be pretty [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► ya know i'm going to click on but that's [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► not how they are pretty maybe if it was [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► like the blood of her and her big events [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► or something they would she have put ya [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► human these Klingons are on the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► spaceship they have been exposed to [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► other cultures [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► these are the worst Klingons in any Star [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► Trek movie you guys know that's how [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► powerful advertising is they even [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► managed to Shane McLane onto itself to [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► itself load that's because she's worth [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► it for all the things in this movie that [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► are awful and there's so many it's all [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► almost all of them you know what's you [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► know what's the one thing that drives me [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► nuts through almost the entire film when [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► Spock nerve pinches a horse [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► James Jones terrible artifact although [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► yes where the enterprise is sort of a [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► drift because the special effects guy is [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► incompetent and always from the back [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► hook no I the the little gray and brown [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► and TN military sweaters that they have [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► for their assault rate i love that cost [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► of salt sweaters you know they're [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► wonderful [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► the thing that drives me nuts for the [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► whole thing is Kirk's little collar has [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► that little section that sort of folded [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► under the sweater and then I guess they [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► kept it because they couldn't reshoot [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► something so they kept the continuity of [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► it all through the movie i'm going to [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► fix your damn collar Jim fast the caller [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► that's all it's that it's a stupid my [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► David that's not that's like number [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► 9,000 on the offenses and I know but you [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► keep seeing over the moment you fix that [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► color this movie who really good [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► there are some guidelines there are some [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► guidelines of the god what has gotten [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► spaceship but it's also the star liked [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► it better before he died [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► that's a great line yeah like that it [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► suggested that the previous movies had [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► yeah it's exactly it's not that it's [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► synthetic likely it's like God I want to [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► make sure before he died [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► another thing I just like about this [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► movie by the way is the lighting III [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► appreciate Andy saying that it feels [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► cinematic at various points i find i [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► find that it [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► it's very poorly lit it's it's weirdly [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► kind of yellow and they're strange [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► shadows and it doesn't seem stylistic to [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► me it seems incompetent to me and it's [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► just a I think the movie looks bad [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► because of it because the lighting is so [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► weird and and not good so I'll throw [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► that on the pile to some pretty major [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► ilj so yeah I feel terms with pink why [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► pinks and purples and lavenders and just [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► express shiners colorful guy but that I [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► thought the opening scenes were pretty [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► good like that in the end it just just [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► the cinematography just with just the [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► way that was photographed and here i'm [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► not talking about woody this is one of [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► the greatest like this could have been a [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► David Lee movie talk about i'm used to [TS]