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00:00:28 ◼   ► mar 2016 [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► uncomfortable on your hostess and smell [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and we're going to open up the video [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► game Dusty covers of the video game club [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► which doesn't get to work out that often [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► but they're back to talk about it [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► recently released the game probably fire [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► watch from campo santo and published by [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Panik available for Windows OS 10 linux [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► and if you get a ps4 it will work on [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► their to joining me to talk about this [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► recent release video game which I so [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► rarely play but i did this time it's [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► very exciting are my panelists fine [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► group all brian hamilton hello [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► wait we're not here to play wizards in [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► wyvern's I wait for it [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► Tiffany arms is back to talk more video [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► games hello hi it's good to have you [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► serenity Caldwell's out there [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► hello hello hello it's the ghost of [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► serenity called my flu racked ghost but [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► she's and I'm trying to imitate what it [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► might sound like coming through [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► walkie-talkie oh nice Tony sindelar is [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► scanning the forest hi Tony high and [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► John siracusa of course because we're [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► talking about video games i'm glad i [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► don't see any progress bar counting down [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► when i'm asked to reply on the show [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► wait you don't see that it's there it's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► in mind it's in my mind the the why is [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► my answer will move on i have I want to [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► start this bob so that this is [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► interesting I guess disclosure here is [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► many of us know the people at Panik who [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► published this game although i don't [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► know anybody at campo santo who produced [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► it and i really only saw a preview of it [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► XOXO last fall but uh that's all really [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► I knew about it and I played a couple [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► weeks ago I my only other bit of [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► disclosure if this is an opening [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► statement so be it is when i was i just [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► graduated from college in 1992 i worked [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► for the summer at my local newspaper [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► back home and one of the stories that i [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► wrote was about a guy named herb who was [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► a fire spotter and he lived for the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► summer in a single room platform at the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► top of a mountain and look for smoke [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► from forest fires and radioed them in [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► I went out to the to the fire tower and [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► interviewed him and so to see a game [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► based on that premise is sort of tickled [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► me and i can say that it pretty much [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► jobs with my my memory of his fire tower [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► the setting of the fire tower and fire [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► watch so yeah I got I got kind of a kick [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► out of it [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► it wasn't a two-day hike to get there [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► which is part of the plot of a Firewatch [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► so so far watches a it's a it's a game [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► where you are you're Henry who too is [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► working in Wyoming in the National [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► Forest as a fire spotter so he has got [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► his he takes a two day hike and goes to [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► this tower where he can overlook the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► forest and he can see off to another [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► Ridge where there's another tower in [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is Delilah who is another person [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► working at sapphire spotter and she sort [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► of his manager and then we have a sort [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► of adventure and discussion and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► flashbacks of hit of what has brought [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► Henry to this point and that is what [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► Firewatch is all about [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► I so love what would people think i'm [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► gonna start here [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Firewatch opens with an interesting [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► structure where you are sort of in a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► series of flashbacks about how you get [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► to the lookout and it's not sort of just [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► a prologue that gets you there but a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► series of choices you've got to make and [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► they're kind of interlaced with arriving [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► in the in the forest and i'm curious [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► what everybody thought about the way [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► that the story starts it is incredibly [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► cinematic especially because it [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► completely breaks that the expectation [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► that this is going to be you know that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► kind of cinematic game with those with [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► those text adventure bits we get to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► choose what you say in the bar and we [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► say on the balcony and things like that [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► and then goes back to these beautifully [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► faded in faded out moments they are [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► timed perfectly [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► it feels this is the most playable [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► movie-style game ever played that's [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► different than a lot of the [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► the games that use the same mechanics [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► where they will be text on the screen [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and you have a series of choices very [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► early on in the intro sequence which by [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► the way is not really what the rest of [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the game is like it yeah we're like a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► pre credits type sequence where they [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► make your picture is is it becomes clear [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► if you've played a lot of these [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► adventures that this is mostly not going [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► to be one of those games where they [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► present you with the series of choices [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► and based on your choices you are [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► defining your character very early on [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► they force you to make a series of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► choices [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► none of which certainly some bad choices [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► the corner corner code good choices you [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► because that's the type of game you can [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► play a lot of a lot of games that are [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► like they give you a range of choices [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► where you can decide what kind of person [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► you want to be but this game is [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► different this game has an idea of who [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► this character is or needs to be for the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► purposes of the story and you are forced [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► to essentially choose from several what [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► you might consider bad choices which [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► isn't necessarily a bad thing but it [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► definitely frames this game is even [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► though it has the trappings of the you [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► know sort of that the tell-tale style [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► games like The Walking Dead or whatever [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► where you're expecting someone to say [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► you know you know Kerry will remember [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► this or whatever I this is more like you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► are the person saying that you'll [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► remember this because although there are [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► many different choices there [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► this is not a role-playing game you [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► don't get to define Henry Henry is a [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► person you have to sort of inhabit him [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► for the course of the game also in all [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► of my playthroughs none of the different [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► choices you make really affect anything [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► in the long run just how you relate to [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► Henry and Delilah and I i think the [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► opening I think Johnny said I really [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► well in terms of you inhabit him and I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► thought the opening did a really great [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► job of like placing you inside of him [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► pretty quickly and pretty efficiently [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► and elegantly thoroughly I have to say [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► something about that CSI i'm really [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► curious how serenity you feel about it [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► too in that when i started playing this [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► game I had a really hard time connecting [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► to it because it's such a personal [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► emotional embodiment of the game and I i [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► guess as like a woman playing this game [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► I couldn't get into it as much because I [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► felt already like this game wasn't [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► supposed to be made for me a little bit [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► because of I'm not Henry know what i [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► mean like i didn't i didn't feel the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► same way Henry was failing are doing the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► same thing Henry was doing because I did [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► I just felt like I don't [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I I relate more when I can play as a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► female character and I think that a game [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► specifically like this where it is so [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► personal and it's so emotional and it's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► so specific to you are as you guys said [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► like embodied inside of Henry I felt [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► disconnected from that and so that but [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► you know that bothered me a little bit [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► when i played this videogame the second [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► time i was able to kind of like let that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► go a little bit more but it's still it [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you know guys don't have to you know [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► when you see a game like this you don't [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► have to worry about is this game made [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► for me because it is and you don't have [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► to think like that you're gonna feel [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► differently about the character because [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► it just is made for you so I don't know [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► I I had a little bit of a hard time [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► connecting ya know I i definitely agree [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► with you in the beginning especially [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► those sort of initial us as well as [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► you're describing very cinematic scenes [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► to me it it there was a little bit of a [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► disconnect from it because yeah it's [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► it's very hard to be like yes I am a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► late twenties college dude who drinks a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► and these are my motivations and this is [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► whom like it takes it took a little bit [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► for me to not only get the character but [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► to feel like I could uh huh [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► actually i'll be honest like there are [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► parts of me that identify with Henry [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► throughout the game but the reports to [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► me that we're still like you stupid [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► idiot [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► what are you doing why are you saying [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► these things why don't you get that this [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► is a code that your supervisors like [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► there's so many so many things in this [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► game where I'm just like oh my god [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► you're just your lug your lovable lug [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► but all gosh yeah like when they ask how [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► do you pose you know and you're like oh [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► do you pose like you're frolicking [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► Victoria's Secret her you're a macho man [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► and i looked at Marco because my husband [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► who was you know watching me play while [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► I was playing the game and I'm like I [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► don't know which one do you want to do [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► was like I'd like there were a couple [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► questions in the very beginning to like [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► set the tone of the game and I like turn [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► to him like i don't know i don't know i [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► was able to pick the dog you know I'm [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► like I'm not a jerk i'm totally picking [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► bucket every time that's what she wants [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► like of course you can be a jerk here [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► but this [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that is the correct answer everyone [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► playing role on Team bucket right [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► oh yeah yes you better bust well you [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► know the gender angle does make it [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► easier for guys to relate because at [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► least they have a fighting chance so [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► maybe you knew somebody was like this [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► maybe you can relate to be if you're [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► married you can relate to being married [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► to trying to pick up a woman at a bar [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► when you're drunk or something like that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► but like i said in the beginning even [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► four guys the game forces you to realize [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► you are not playing as yourself you are [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► being asked to inhabit this character [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► this character that makes bad choices [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► and that yeah you're only given the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► choice is your given number the ones you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► feel like these are the choices i would [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► make sure you have to it's kinda like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► when you're reading a book and the main [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► character is something like to share [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► right what it was like you're really [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► just a regular novel in the main [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► characters nothing like you you have to [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► the good book will say well even those [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► characters nothing like me and does make [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► decisions that I would never make [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► because the the protagonist and if the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► author does a good job you can end up [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► relating to them and it's kind of like a [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► life is strange is it not business a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► similar game to fire watch your life is [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► stranger ask the players as a you know a [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► young teenage girl a lot of games are [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► like that in the day they ask you to be [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► somebody you're not and it's a different [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► kind of game where you have to accept [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► that it is not a role-playing game and [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► you don't get to define the character [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► you just get to I mean you got home late [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► for example I mean I did I diet you can [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► I relate to the experiences of a you [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► know a young lesbian teenager and gone [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► home [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► no but if you you know eventually you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► switch your mindset and say alright this [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► is not me this is this character and I'm [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► sort of being within I don't know it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► happening is one more because you are [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► animating them and you are making [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► choices [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► it's kind of like role playing in the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► dnd sense where you are assigned a [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► character and you have to be a gruff [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► dwarf and even if you're not a gruff [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► kind of person you feel like well time [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► to pretend I'm a graft war right because [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► that's this character or whatever and [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► you can get in that way [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► yeah but I mean that's but this is like [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► a very personal character you know he's [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► a person he's making choices he's doing [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► things like and I think of me to say [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► that the writing and everything was [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► really great that eventually you know i [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► was able to let that go and be like okay [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► I'm playing as Harry I will Harry that's [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► what I thought I always kept thinking [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► was Harry from haha madman like I'm just [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► making carries choices like that's all [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► I'm doing well I could have done [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► I version where you got to pick the [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► gender of the care oh yeah i mean i [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► understand they put so much time and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► extra stuff more acid so much time into [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► the voice actor yeah you don't get to [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► change what happens in the game because [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► money because yeah but going back to [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► what you were saying about character [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► John because that was that was what [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► invention we sort of made me embrace the [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the game as as uncomfortable as I felt a [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► sort of the initial few minutes I it [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► reminds me a lot of what i used to do as [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► a kid actually as a kid in the woods [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► where I would read books on and then you [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► know you would you you have the book the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► story that's in the book and then [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► occasionally you go and you you take the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► character out of the book and you say oh [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► you know like I wonder what would happen [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► if Luke's got like it looks guy Walker [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► was in the middle of the woods I wonder [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► what he was decisions you would make I [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► want you know when you start it's almost [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► like developing a character for your own [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► book in and in each like putting some of [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► your own voice into a predetermined [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► character and playing with them outside [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► the constraints of a traditional story [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► and it's kind of weird way of describing [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► how i felt about this game but but in [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► some ways it was very much like okay I'm [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► taking somebody else's character this is [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► not a character I would have ever [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► written but as a writer [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it was really interesting to me to play [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► this game and think about that think [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► about his decisions in his choices as [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► like I am painting the future of Henry [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the character of you know I have a Harry [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► crane in the nineteen eighties as a is a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► slightly level slightly doofus in the in [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the middle of the woods and part of it [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► is you know how what how would you react [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► but moreover i felt more and more like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► this person is not is never going to be [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► me but i can i can roleplay as this [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► character you'd like you were saying i [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► can i can inhabit this character and and [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► play within them [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► what makes this game so incredible is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► that it tricks you into thinking you're [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► the one that's driving all the action [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► because everything is already written [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► all the dialogue is already recorded all [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► you're doing is just pushing wasd to [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► move around and make everything moved [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► forward so the fact that the writing can [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► suck you into thinking that you are the [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► actual one cream [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► reading this story like a Firewatch was [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► a short story or a movie would probably [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► be pretty good but it would be nowhere [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► near as effective as if you were the one [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► actually wandering through the woods and [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► digging things up and putting out fires [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► and look Skywalker in the woods angle [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the the part that is extra difficult [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► about this is when you play as another [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► character even and gone home or life is [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► strange or something in general the [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► protagonist is admirable or heroic or [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► even if they make choices you wouldn't [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► make it usually because they're more [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► brave than you are or you know like that [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► that there's a hero to the story [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► whereas right off the bat in this one [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► the protagonist in the story which you [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► are being asked to play you kind of feel [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► like I'm better than this guy [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► I mean she not like you just a force you [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► to select among bad choices and things [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► turn badly and by the time you end up in [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that fire watch station you kind of [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► think of this guy you mean I think [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► you're in the place the game want you to [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► be like this guy's life is a mess and [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► it's his own fault i think you're [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► supposed to be like uncomfortable like [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► planned very right likelike it'sit's [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► very intentional like bad things happen [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► to him and he didn't handle them well [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► and you for what you didn't handle it [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► well because the only two choices you [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► ever given all the choices was like bad [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and bad again the dog choice was the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► only easy one [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► they're at and and really the dog prices [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► only easy for us because we're a bunch [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► of softies right but someone else's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► somewhere is going like obviously picked [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► the german shepherd but anyway like it [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► you end up there trying to put you into [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► place you're never going to feel like [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► unless you had something like Henry had [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► happened to him worse his wife gets [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► everything we do is spoil her already [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► I know but there are things were going [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► to fire the spoiler off for but the [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► essentially the prologue of the story [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► you shouldn't be listening to this [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► podcast if you want to go into it cold [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► so i'm not gonna find a spoiler one-off [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say we're gonna talk [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► about the setup of the story and feel [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► free about it [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► alright so his wife has dementia and it [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► actually putting home if my status [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► happened to you can never be in that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► headspace the closest the game can get [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► is to essentially make you participate [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► in a series of bad choices leading up to [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► him being away from his wife and you [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► should feel bad about it because you [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► know if it was just you don't have any [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► choices you'd say this guy's away from [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► his wife and i feel i look down on him [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► for that but because you were forced to [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► pick left to ride your be a whole bunch [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► of times you have a little bit of I feel [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► bad because I did that and especially on [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► the first playthrough you're like maybe [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► one of the other choices I didn't pick [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► would have led to a better dialogue tree [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► I mean and and that would have led to a [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► situation where I don't feel quite as [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► bad but that's what they want you to be [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► once you get into the station they want [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► you to be disoriented kind of feeling a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► little bit guilty not sure what's what [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► still thinking about that whole prologue [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► sequence and then being thrust into you [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► know Delilah squawking at you over the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► radio to go [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► what's this all about what is also doing [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► fire right now I i think if it is and it [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► i assume it is a creative decision to [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► make you it uncomfortable and give you [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► actually some sort of remove from Henry [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► over you know you're like you're [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► operating him but you're almost like a [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► dissenter while your hot friend you're [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► like all right well I'll play this guy [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► but only under protest because that's [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► definitely how I felt and I didn't have [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► a problem with that I felt like I [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► certainly would have been more [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► comfortable being shown a prologue that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► says this guy's messed up and now you [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► get to steer him as opposed to what what [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► Firewatch does which is makes you [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► complicit in his screw-ups that you [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► can't it makes you very uncomfortable at [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► least it made me very uncomfortable to [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► have to make all of those bad decisions [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and to not have any choice but to make [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► one bad decision or another I don't know [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► how many people played alone versus with [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► someone nearby when I have someone was [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► watching me play and they're like whoa [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► this gets heavy fast [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► yeah i guess like I mean I kind of knew [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► what the concept of the game was but I [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► was not perhaps emotionally prepared for [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► what that little prologue was going to [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► be like an undergraduate the magic trick [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► is that if you're in the right headspace [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► once you get there you start to like [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► sort of cognitive dissonance texting you [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► like well yeah things are in a bad [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► situation but you know I really didn't [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► have much of a choice and for people in [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that situation and then time you've done [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► something about your life very often you [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► say yeah things ended up this way but [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► it's not like I had that much of a [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► choice like that that if you are in a [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► bad situation like very often it seems [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► as if at the time you all you had a [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► choice of is a series of bed [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► prices and whichever one you were to [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► pick there was no alternate dialogue [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► tree you would have always led to this [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► situation sort of like to explain your [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► own life to yourself that that even [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► though if you look at my life you would [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► feel like you obviously made some [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► choices you can make better ones for me [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► experiencing that time all I ever saw in [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► front of me were two choices both of [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► which are bad and I tried to pick the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► least bad one and stone up in a bad [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► place um and if you can get into that [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► mindset you can kind of start to [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► identify because he literally isn't a [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► game where you don't you can't you can't [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► get to a situation where you are better [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► to your wife and you know the whole nine [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► yards right you can't do that but when [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► he's in that fire watch station [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► not that he has a chip on his shoulder [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► but you can kind of tell that he's has [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► justified somebody's running away from [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► it all and like it you know if you were [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► to talk to him if you would have liked [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► free dialogue with Henry and say so [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► what's the deal with all that stuff with [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► your wife and everything would be like [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► you know in hindsight I you know just [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► seemed like at the time there was no way [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► out like that any nothing I did was the [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► right thing to do [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► I think the listening to tiffin and [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► certainly talk about the the the issues [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► with this the another lot of games that [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► will put women in the been male [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► characters with no choice but i wonder [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► because I felt this way to has a man [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► playing a male character i think the [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► intimacy of this story the emotional [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► connection and what's happening here [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► inside this person's life makes it a lot [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► harder to to connect then it then just [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► saying well you know you got a gun in [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► your fight aliens and yet you're your [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► characters mail but whatever right this [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► is the you can't just shrug it off at [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► exactly this is this is you you are [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► talking about the formation of a [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► relationship and then the all the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► problems in the relationship and then [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► this horrendous kind of end of the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► relationship them all of that happens [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and it's it's you know it's not it's [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► that intimacy i think is the thing that [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► really makes it different than just [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► inheriting some character that alright i [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► guess i'm playing this game now let's [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► take a break so i can tell you about one [TS]

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00:22:03 ◼   ► talk a little bit about uh the forest [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► I think hmm the that is that is a major [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► character in this game as the forest and [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► your job as the fire watch person is to [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► watch for fires and then you get down [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► off of the the tower and you run around [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► in the forest and that is most of this [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► game this game is like a forest [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► simulator on one level and i actually [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► was what was thinking to myself or two [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► questions and two points I want to make [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► and I'm interested in your thoughts [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► about and one of them is I really [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► enjoyed running around in the forest and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► I [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► admissions to accomplish in this game so [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► it was more than just running around but [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► honestly I had a moment where I thought [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► you know I could probably just wander [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► around in this forest and it's like a [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► great game for nerds who always think [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► about going hiking but would rather just [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► sit in front of the computer you can [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► hike in the forest on your computer so [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► so I don't lose any toes yeah but it was [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► I thought that was beautiful and well [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► realized and then the only other thing i [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► want to mention in this in this section [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► I'm curious about is for a game called [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► Firewatch there is literally zero fire [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► watching I kept expecting that it would [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► start with you wandering around on the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► tower looking out in the forest waiting [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► to see a puff of smoke somewhere and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► then radioing it in and you're never [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► given that opportunity and I'm sure they [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► have a good reason they want to kick off [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the storyline and not bore people but I [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► kind of wanted it to say here's your job [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► stand here here are some binoculars look [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► around and do that for a little while [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► before something happened or maybe even [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► during the story have it just like [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► totally slow down back to well just go [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► back to doing your job but I and bug me [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► a little bit that at no point does Henry [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► do his job like the job of a person in a [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► Firewatch station instead the times [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► presumably when he's doing that we've [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► got sort of fade in and out and we never [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► see them and I kind of wanted that I [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► kind of wanted that boredom and quiet of [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► staring out of the forest there was a [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► time of that there was a on day three [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► they gave you like a free time where [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► they're like all right well when you're [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► ready you talk to me but you know go do [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► what you need to do and you can kind of [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► like not engage the story at that point [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► and just kind of do what you want i [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► instantly said ok I'm ready and didn't [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► spend any time wandering around [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► yeah you can totally like way too much [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► time early on the enolate as long as you [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► want and there there little bit too in [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► the in the middle day is I think it's [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► like Dave 30-year day 40 something like [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► whenever right after you see we do see [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► the fire in midnight on the June fire [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► there are a couple of a couple of things [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► that the forest exploration aspect is [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► really eerie to me in some ways so I [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► mean I grew up in the Sierras [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► in the summers we have a cabin up north [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► of Lake Tahoe and granted this is not [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► this is not even remotely designed to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► look like the Sierras but it still has a [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and there's a familiarity up to being in [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the absolute wilderness and wandering [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► around and feeling like even with all [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► the the later slightly terrifying things [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► that happen in this story all the things [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► that will happen behind horn behind this [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► from the app behind together and the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► forest does not feel menacing it we it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► first even even in the potentially [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► spoiler horny stuff the forest it its [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► it's this weird like you can be out in [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the middle of nowhere even in the middle [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► of nowhere game-wise and not be worried [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► that someone is going to jump out and [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► scream at you I'm not worried that [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► you're going to stumble and then fall [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► down a ravine I it's all of the all of [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the things that I remember loving about [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► exploring the forest is a child being [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► able to run up trails and no like nose [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► through Brock bushes and hear this [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that's very like the the soundscapes in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► this in this game are so good I I had a [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► moment where I was running through a [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► meadow and thinking this is great [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► because at no point is this game going [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► to make me look down my shoelaces and [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► hang out all the stickers [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► yeah or deal with that deal with all the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► mosquitoes flying or just even like [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► another video games and in red dead [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► redemption has all these wonderful like [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► soaring vistas and you'll be looking [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► around and then like it will be really [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like taking in the atmosphere and then [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► you get mauled by a bear or something [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► did you guys find a raccoon yes I heard [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► there was a raccoon [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► yeah it's really cute it's super cute [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and a picture of him on my camera [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► oh well you got a picture i guess so I'm [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► earlier before I had the camera i got i [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► saw him right after i got the camera and [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► I was like well if if nothing else was a [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► camera moment this is the camera want no [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► did anybody get a turtle no well I see [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it on the screen shot page on the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► website but i did not get him and that [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► get back get back to what you guys were [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► talking about before and that I always [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► felt because i'm a gamer and [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► a game player compelled to go to the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► next objective for two reasons one that [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► like you know you want to see how the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► story's gonna go to every time you [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► realize the story beat you know you [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► always go what's the next story be [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► what's the next story beat that [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► and the second thing is that like I [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► again being a gamer i had in my head [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that the day-night cycle was dynamic and [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► scaled as in like you know one hour of [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► game time equals 24 hours of whatever [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you know whatever scale was that dude [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► like the clock was running at all times [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► when in reality was probably check [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► pointed and the like this scene happens [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► during dusk and you have basically you [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► know like I was afraid I was always [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► afraid that the Sun would go down [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► completely and not there would be a [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► loose condition but that I would that I [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► would miss out on some part of the game [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► by being bad at navigation essentially [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► like getting from point A to point B so [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► at every point in the game I was like a [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► page-turner a novel I was compelled to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► go to the next point to the next point [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► to the next point and I'm with Jason and [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► that not that I think it would've been a [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► better game with this but just that what [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► i was looking for in some areas was the [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► like in a longer game there would have [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► been more like this like a time when you [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► are just sort of hanging out in the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► woods and sort of taking ownership of it [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and i think one of the main reasons they [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► couldn't do that in this game aside from [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► trying to make it tight and make it you [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► know all fit together nicely as again [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► budget because the woods although they [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► look like woods have to be constructed [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► as a series of funnels to herd cattle [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► into a certain number of places that a [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► lot of it is open but there are [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► essentially invisible walls made of [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► brushed some brush you can clear a lot [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► of brush you can't some rocks with [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► carefully painted white ledges you can [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► go up other boulders are just an [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► invisible wall for you and they have to [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► do that to corral people through the [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► story of the game whereas if it was an [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► open-world game like like they had to [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► strike the balance between we want you [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► to feel like this is an entire woods [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► that is completely open to you but on [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► the other hand we do have story beats to [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► head and we do want people to be [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► successful to navigate from point A to [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► point B so we do kind of wanna corral [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► you in the right direction again I think [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► it all just comes down to budget and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► development time you can't make this [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► magical game it's like oh it's a big [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► fantasy open-world you can spend as much [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► time as you want to go into your but [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► also this type a story that clicks for [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► people that they're able to play and [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► that's that's just something inherent in [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► sort of small independent non big-budget [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► games and I don't think the game is [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► lesser for it because I kind of see all [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the reasons that they chose to do it [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► that way but the game just look so [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► beautiful that I do wish there was a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► like a game with 700 times the budget [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that was like this but fully realized [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► with no invisible walls [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► yeah I showed this games my brother i [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► was watching him play over his shoulder [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► and he's a much more quote unquote [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► traditional gamer you know the first [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► person shooters and things like that and [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► he is the kind of person I realized just [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► then watching him play this where he is [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the person who will play the game based [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► on where they don't want you to go [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► whereas I'm the kind of game that plays [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► based on where it be game obviously [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► wants you to go and that makes a lot of [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► sense for the story games because you [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► know there's paths there's a story beats [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► that you need to hit there's no dynamic [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► lighting that shows ok when you're at [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► this point you're at dusk at this point [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► you're doing this seen things like that [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► and he was going all the way over to the [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► edge and trying to figure out okay go [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► over this like in Skyrim no okay and it [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► if there is a game with no 700 times the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► budget where you could have everything [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► look at just this beautiful grand theft [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► auto 5 really does not look as beautiful [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► as this but everything is interactable [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► that's not a word everything is able to [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► be interacted with everything is able to [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► be you can drive around everywhere and [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► it doesn't look nearly as good as fire [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► watch and when it comes to bang for your [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► buck and most game for your time [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► Firewatch is a much better game despite [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► you know at what you were saying John [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► all those invisible walls and all the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► things that they need to get in there [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► for the sake of budget but also for the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► sake of story so but they didn't ask you [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► to navigate that's the tricky thing like [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► journey is another example of a small [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► small game with not a lot of place and [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► and journey is definitely following you [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the same way with the story beats but no [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► part of journey is it like and navigate [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► however you want from point A to point B [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► you never on a first playthrough journey [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► ideally you'd never hit invisible wall [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► and I feel like almost anybody on their [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► first play through fire watches at some [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► point could did an invisible wall even [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► if it's only just a series of boulders [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and trees preventing you from funny a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► path that's what the forest is like I [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► was actually impressed that i could go [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► as many places I could given how [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► impassable so much i mean it [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the invisible walls are visible walls [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► because it and they treat in the story [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► levels in trees and boulders [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► about the brush her like a a boulder [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► this as high as your shin you could step [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► over but they make you walk around and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► you know like it because like you just [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► don't have the budget to try to make [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► completely passable terrain river you [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► have to essentially make it passable [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► area versus non passable all 22 final [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► people around but because they give you [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► the freedom it's almost open world like [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► they say get back to the tower however [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► you want there's a whole bunch of [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► alternate paths you don't have to follow [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► the palace that but if you take one of [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► the alternate paths that seems like it's [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► entirely plausible that all there is [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► just a little bitch with a different [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► amount of dirt in it and some shin-hye [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► boulders and trees you can clearly walk [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► between easily it's like no you can't go [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that way but sometimes you go up [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► depression it says you know L to clear [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► brush or whatever it's all I can clear [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► this brush but i can't clear the other [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► brush so it it's it's very difficult [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► I mean it's a challenging thing if you [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► decide to make a game for this budget [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► for this amount of gameplay and say all [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► is going to be an overall forest looks [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► gorgeous from every direction that's [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► really hard to do they mean by it looks [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► gorgeous from every direction but it is [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► not quite open world it's like [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► ninety-nine percent open i have one of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► those moments that totally pulled a bit [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► out of me when I was going to the scout [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► camp and lazily if I approached it from [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► one side there was an invisible wall [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that just like we just consider when [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► yeah I couldn't get there and I was like [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► okay I guess I'll navigate around but [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► it's like why I'm guessing that one was [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► a bug [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► yeah I get it done everything the cabins [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► from that one side instead of it so you [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► experience that to like how ya doing [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► I like I tried it for a really long like [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► stupid amount of time to really get to [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► know that while i'm like no i know i can [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► get into this is the second time i [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► played i know i'm allowed here for me [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that moment was towards the end there is [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► a really wonderful music moment whereas [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► you're supposed to be walking somewhere [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the music kicks in and dramatic and bump [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► bump bump and I got a horrific lost and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the music kept playing four maybe five [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► or ten minutes while I was trying to get [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► back to the path is a yeah they just [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► lost all of its momentum after a while [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like okay yeah this is just background [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► noise now I need to get back on the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► freaking path I mean journey does that [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► same thing to die i have experienced [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► that to brian it was like stop stressing [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► me out music you maybe you made me freak [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► out now I don't know where I am [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► that's the delicate dance between the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► developer and the player they you want [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► to be in harmony [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and when you're in harmony everything [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► works but boy if things go off the rails [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and i said i think it is a harder [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► challenge to get that in this type of [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► game where it's the woods and it is very [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► impressively large area a beautiful area [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► places you want to go to you like a look [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► at that all the way over there oh you [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► know even if you're not compelled to go [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► that I could objective you do want to [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► explore I think that leads to more [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► people getting hung up on geometry or [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► getting disoriented and feeling unfairly [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► they can't get back to the path you [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► really can totally see it right through [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that brush sprite or whatever there was [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► one point where they wanted you to go [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► down to the lake to and they even [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► shortened one of the the belaying ropes [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► so that you couldn't get back up one of [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the shell slides because they really [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► really wanted you to go to the lake and [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► it was just like just little tiny [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► shortened up and then the next time you [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► go see it's long again and you can [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► totally climate i'm going to just like [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► yeah my god i was a little trick but oh [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► well I make it wouldn't have been that [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► big of a deal if you went exploring but [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► yeah it's it's interesting to me because [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► i think by and large I actually I [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► figured out sort of the the good places [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► to go and not good places to go by [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► looking at map terrain that map is [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► beautiful and I was trying my hardest to [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► work on the map without the without why [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► little GPS dot yeah isn't that nice you [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► got a paper map that has a that has a [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► track around it was a mechanic come over [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► there other people complaining about how [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► hard it like that getting lost and stuff [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► at us like that [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► I i did not experience well so you can [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► if you're bad at directions which I'm [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► not I'm pretty good with a compass in [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► real life but apparently and fire watch [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► all of that goes out the window because [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► I definitely went someplace being like [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► I'm going south [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► wait no now i'm hitting an impenetrable [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► wall where to go but when i combine it [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► with the map it's very easy to see what [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► areas are basically explorable and what [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► areas are just mountain and it was also [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► nice because it gave me clues on sort of [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► where to look for the hidden manna still [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► be hidden mickeys butt but there are [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► some there are some interesting things [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► in the game that i don't know i don't [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► necessarily think directly play to the [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► the primary story but you can find by [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► kind of wondering often [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and going into little did anybody maybe [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► this requires spoilery but anybody find [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► the burned-out cabin on the outside [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► yeah i did not know that yeah so there's [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► so that I won't tell you where I won't [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► tell you where but there is a super [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► super creepy burned-out cabin and when [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► your radio Delilah about it [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► Delilah's silence and you can explore [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► said cabin but I i ran into that really [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► early on when the game was still very [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► much in its happy-go-lucky phase and I [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► was like oh let's go okay now i'm [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► getting a serious missed five what's [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► going on so but but I didn't I wouldn't [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► have found that if i hadn't been paying [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► such close attention to the map where [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► they like the darker shades in the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► lighter shades were for exploring so i [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► highly encourage people if you not [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► finish the game if you're going back on [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► a second playthrough that's a really fun [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► way of kind of looking through stuff [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► they also just released the maps for [TS]

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00:38:19 ◼   ► being comfortable i really enjoyed how [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► do they didn't just use that as we're [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► talking about the invisible walls to [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► guide you but they use the dialogue and [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► a lot of times the Lila would say things [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► to you that kind of would funnel you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► around to get you back on track with the [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► game and I thought that was kind of neat [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► that sometimes when you like radio in [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► about like a random meadow or something [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► and she's like why are you over there [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► she's like you're not supposed to be [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► over there [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► you're supposed to be doing your job [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► like stop fooling around and focus you [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► know you really reading about the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► utility poles like all these utility [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► poles they used to community and if you [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► can see them you're way off course [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► yeah there's one you could even go back [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► to the what is that called the little [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► trolley that you can only handle islands [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Charlie if you go up there really early [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► she's like oh yeah it's totally closed [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► unless it's an emergency and they make [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► jokes and they say like it's an [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► emergency let me over and always try and [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► throw it it kind of its fun that you [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► they the dialogue directs you but also [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► kind of build your relationship in a [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► different way if you hadn't found that [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► kind of stuff and you get like more [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► jokes that they have between each other [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► and the guy i think it changes their [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► relationship a little bit like later on [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► because then they get more their voices [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► even sound more casual with each other [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► know that the flip side of that is if [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► you don't communicate with their like my [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► son was playing through this even though [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it's got lots of curses and everything [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► you know yes she gets she has been so I [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► get mad like she because he's you know I [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► barbarian preteen boy I was trying i was [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► saying you should use the thing to [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► answer on the radio and he's like why [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► would it like that's the game you have [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► to you know because if you don't [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► communicate with her if you don't [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► encourage a series of bad puns if you [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► don't if you when she's going to admit [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that she was drunk when she called you [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► if you don't engage in a conversation [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► she never admits [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► and that too that you just missed that [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► entirely like you you you fail to build [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► a relationship so in some ways there's a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► little bit of the game player that [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► person was playing the game including [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► how the story goes that if only and how [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► much gets revealed i'm assuming by the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► end of the game she gets all casual [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► familiar anyway but it's weird to see [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► someone playing the game who isn't [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► compelled or this doesn't understand [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► they're being asked to it is isn't [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► trying to exhaust at least one branch of [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► all the dialogue breeze which i think [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► most game players are you know it's kind [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► of like reading a book and getting i'm [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► gonna skip this page of dialogues I want [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► you gotta read you gotta play out the [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► story you know whichever way it's gonna [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► go i'm pretty certain it stays [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► consistent throughout the game they like [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► how your relationship bills because I [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► don't know did you guys listen to the up [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► up down down with the game developers [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► haven't yet it's it's very good it's [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► super insightful when it comes to [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► understanding how the how dynamic the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► dialogue really is and how many I audio [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► clips that they recorded in order to [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► really even pinpoint like okay so what [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► makes this choice and then this choice [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► and that choice and then it then that [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► changes with it it changes the outcome [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► of this conversation because if you [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► don't tell her something you know that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► she will never know it so she can't [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► bring it up later so and then that so [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that changes every single kind of like [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► the the i guess the the tree that's [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► forms with the dialogue and it will [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► change the course of the game [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► it's very very interesting i highly [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► suggest that people who are interested [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► in this game [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► listen to that episode because they they [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► really highlight that a lot and that [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► made me after my first playthrough [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► really appreciate the depth of dialogue [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► and the voice acting and what that what [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this game is really highlighting so much [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► more that's really difficult to do [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► though because many situations even my [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► first playthrough I got the dialogue [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► thing a little bit confused about the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► timing of like oh she would have [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► realized she just told me that and now [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► she's telling me the same thing in a [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► different context you know like that [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► that it's been so very difficult to make [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► it all seem naturalistic and again when [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► everything is working and when I went to [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► person playing the game makes some [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► semblance of the obvious choices and [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► times things in the appropriate ways but [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► it's very easy for it's very easy to [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► break the game by doing with you no they [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► don't [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► want to do even if you're not that kind [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► of player I mean I like this game a lot [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► but they're all these places where you [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► can kind of see the seams and that I [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► don't like that and and i think i'm part [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► of my eye I don't know if i will replay [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► this because in some ways I feel like if [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► I replay it i will just see more of [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► those and that will just kind of [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► diminish my my enjoyment and especially [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► yeah i mean because I mean I'm kind of [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► without having played it without having [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► gone and sought out the answer it [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► because I don't totally want to know but [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► I mean I assume there's lots of choices [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► you make that or you know almost all the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► choices you make really don't matter [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► well I played I to to counter that just [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► a second like I played it differently [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► each time i played it twice and the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► first time I made one set of decisions [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► in the second time I made a second set [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► and I feel like I it followed me through [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► the game in a similar way but my [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► relationship with Delilah was a little [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► bit different and I think that that is [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► what is is highlighted here you know [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► what I mean it's not going to [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► drastically change the outcome of the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► game or anything but your relationship [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► with this person and I guess feels [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► how you feel about the character that [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► your body yeah would change [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► I'm just I i played uh other games by [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► the same writing team and there are lots [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► of places where it's like you realize [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► after the fact that they're kind of like [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► they're false choices and like they can [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► feel powerful and motivating at the time [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► but then when you kind of see later that [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► like it didn't matter that kind of like [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the magic trick is undone and your [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► robbed [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that's kind of the gamers mindset though [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► greater like well it doesn't change the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► ending like the only thing that matters [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► is like at the end of the game what [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► happens to the aliens winter they lose [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► to do the world ball operators I mean [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► lapa cheers and ire does your son live i [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► didn't get the part of fire watch where [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► there were aliens John right now but [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► that's what people mean when they talk [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► about the taste like whether they're [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► like oh it doesn't matter what you do [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► the ending is always the same but what [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► if says is true in a game like this [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► the plot points of like who did what and [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► what turns out to be the mystery is not [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► entirely what this game is about and if [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► you go to the game with it with a [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► different series of choices and you feel [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► at the end of it that you have a very [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► different relationship with the other [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► the other certain non-player character [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► in the game that is at least fifty [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► percent of the game but every review of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► it everyone who plays it will always say [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► oh well it doesn't really matter it has [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► the same ending [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► it really the same ending like no you [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► know it mean plot-wise it is but that's [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► again with it i think it's a mindset of [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► when reviewing games that that you [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► always think about it in her because [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► games can do this thing where like you [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► have drastically different endings you [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► can have those type of games which again [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► for watching us from the very beginning [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► we are not that type of game there's not [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► a series of choices you're gonna make [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► they're gonna make this person live in [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► this person died or whatever like it's [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► well not gonna pick on that specific [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► example this the the writers for this [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► worked on the walking dead games right [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and they're all these places where it's [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► like someone's in mortal danger and you [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► have basically a choice of like try and [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► help them or leave them to die and then [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► what's kind of rough is that there's a [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► lot of times with like you try to help [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► them and you were unsuccessful and they [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► die vs you leave them and you see them [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► die and you know you can feel [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► differently about it into the end like [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► well he's not trying to save them versus [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► i was i I mean you feel differently and [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► about the person you are but it's also [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like you then see when you realize that [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► choice didn't you know you you also [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► didn't have any control that's what now [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► you know that's where you see the seam [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and you're like a it's advisor how much [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► control do I have the world that I have [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► oh how much control do I have this story [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► versus is the story just being told to [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► be I guess I'm gonna be late for the [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► meeting room time travel movies you know [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► that if you actually have a legitimate [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► choices it does not take long until you [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► are essentially creating an entire world [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► of possibilities within your tiny little [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► game it's like that you know that the [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the you know unescapable math of tree [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► branching means there and there are some [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► games that do that which is pretty [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► impressive money you have to do it all [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you have to do it is in the big points [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► because you can make it so all you have [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► is definitely feel satisfied like wow [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► there are you up or didn't that's just [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► two branches right but people will think [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► all it's a significant change these [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► series of of you know but it's like it's [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► it's a tree that comes back in on itself [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► and ends up with two or three different [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► endings whereas you related to play out [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► naturally you start out with in one [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► position and then up with like 700,000 [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► endings and that is untenable but that [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► is the natural consequences of real life [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► in a game that has a branching structure [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► yeah you branch out but you have to come [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► back into have five possible ending 25 [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► minutes but not a million endings not to [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► the power of 65 and things right you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► know me and that's what that's what [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► realistically would be like I like when [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the game gave you one choice at certain [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► points and [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► had to click that one choice you have on [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► and I mean like I feel like that's like [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► forcing you to own that choice and to [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► become that choice in that character you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► know and I I thought that was a nice [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► touch that that even though it wasn't [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► you know your choice and it wasn't [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► making the trainee broader and it wasn't [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► like making a dynamic are giving you a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► better option [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► it was still making you click that and [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► by clicking it you're like okay as if [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► this character i'm making this choice to [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► say this or not say this or do this or [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► not do this but you're doing it you have [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► to click it so that anyways you're [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► complicit now [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► yeah well think about games like journey [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and gone home where there is no choice [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► where everything that happens you're [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► controlling it but there is a single [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► linear path and I don't think there's [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► any diminishing returns between having [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► several different options are several [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► different endings or tree branches or [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► whatever versus just having one [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► narrative experience that is fantastic [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► even the first time and then you go back [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► and even if you can see the seams as you [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► go back as you make the same decisions [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► are different decisions and no decisions [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► because there's only one narrative path [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► I feel like there's no like I I would [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► not call this a better game because [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► there's extra options [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► regardless of whether or not those [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► options really affect anything in terms [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► of plots isn't a whole psychological [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► thing that if you have more choices [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► you're less happy with your outcome i [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► think in the character driven game like [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► this that what you really want is I i [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► like the idea that the plot is really [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► gonna go as it's going to go but your [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► relationship is going to be impacted by [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► the choices you make your relationship [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► with that person on the other side of [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► the pic of the canyon on the other end [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► of the walkie-talkie and and I like that [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► about it that you know I if if you feel [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like nothing matters then you can take [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► you out of the game if you're just [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► completely on rails and you know they're [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► there but here what you get is the plot [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► is is pushing you in that in the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► direction you need to go but the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► relationship is something that you have [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► to tend to and build and make choices [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► about and having it feel like that has [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► an impact makes you feel like you you [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► know you did you did have you did have [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► an experience where you helped create it [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► even if you were still kind of on the on [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► the on the rails in terms of the plot [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► itself so i was other games you [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► mentioned a like they they have all the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► things you described but they always [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► want to give you [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► something else to to enjoy the place [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► over example journey the thing they're [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► giving you is your experience with the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► other player which is an actual human is [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► very unpredictable even though your [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► interactions very constrained that can [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► totally change your experience of the [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► game even though there are essentially [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► no choices during the game [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► the walking dead i think what gives you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► is a lot of branches that eventually [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► merge back together a story with [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► characters that like it's more of a [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► faceless protagonist you can kind of [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► define more and i think one of the key [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► points in the walking dead for me is at [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► one point in the game [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► something happened and I felt compelled [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► to the whole wrestling was playing [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► playing make my choices best i can [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► enjoying it but at a certain point [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► something happened that I felt like I [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► need to go back into the last checkpoint [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► because I know there's some way I got to [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► be able to not let this happen and i [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► wanted to do that mostly because i was [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► invested in the characters and the story [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► and I didn't want this thing to happen [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► figures just me I've made a series of [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► bad choices there must be a way to avoid [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► this and when I found that it was [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► unavoidable [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► it was a little bit disappointing but it [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► also showed me that I had become [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► invested in the characters then often [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► these characters that I cared that this [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► choice that I made led to his outcome [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and yes reveals the game is a little [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► more limited at this game like journey [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► it doesn't have other human players to [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► play with but it has some other part of [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► the game that is supposed to be making [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► up for the fact that you are essentially [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► being led through the the the trail by a [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► bright on thats the in your interactions [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► with the Lyle which to vary the scenery [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► your sort of your sort of eventually [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► becoming invested in taking ownership of [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► this experience and the sort of am I [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► going crazy what is really going on here [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► you know what it called encyclopedia [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► brown side plot journey that makes up [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the heart of this game that we started [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► really talking about it which would I [TS]

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00:52:16 ◼   ► satisfied your your curiosity enough to [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► bake you interested in playing this game [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► but now we're gonna we're gonna break [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► down some of the things that happen [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► toward the end in terms of the plot so [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► we're gonna fire off the spoiler horn [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► there goes out I was so louder than ever [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the spoiler horn and that goes [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► throughout the woods it does it [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► that's right it's a spoiler Horn fire [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► that's right huh [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► I was spoiled whore neck oh yeah so I [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► you know I I so the plot here we get we [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► get there's there's a bunch of different [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► strands we've got the we see a figure [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► Leon that's unidentified there's a break [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► into the to the to the the tower we find [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the backpack full of ropes that's from [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► the kid we learn about Brian and and Ned [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► who are out there in the in the forest [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► there are there are the teenage girls [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► down at the lake that you end up going [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► down her firing off fireworks and then [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► there is there a series of sort of [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► paranoid things about people who are [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► watching them and listening to their [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► radios and there's a whole fenced-off [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► area that nobody seems to know about and [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the tracking device and you know extra [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► radios and all sorts of things like that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► as well as this fire that that starts [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► and and spreads so you know there's a [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► lot of different stuff that happens and [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► even though it feels very linear when [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► you're playing it you know when you [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► think back you like well you know is it [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► all connected [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► is it not connected but you know the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► these are the different threads that are [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► building throughout the throughout the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► story so what would people think about [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the about the plot threads and whether [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► they're connected or not I have an [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► opinion and I'm going to share later [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► about some of it because i think some [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► works better than others of it a one [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► hundred percent right but what do you [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► think I i enjoyed the interaction with [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► the with the teenagers out in the woods [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► I feel like there's I feel like that the [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► game hits you with the two things that [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► you're going to think about about being [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► on the woods especially if you've never [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► really done it but even if you have like [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► one of them is people like like Delilah [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► says over the radio at one point it's [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► like what I got to let you know that [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► they're like people out there because [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► it's the National Forest and people can [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► go out there this job it's outside and [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► so but the two things that you get is [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► one you get [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► kind of slightly scary or not [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► interaction which which totally happens [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► where it's like I see a figure he may be [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► looking at me and then he's gone is that [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► creepy or is that just how life is out [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► in the woods and then the other one is [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the is is that people who are out of [TS]