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00:00:21 ◼   ► the incomparable number 292 March 2016 [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason still [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► we're back with the second edition of he [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► starts correct bad movie thing that [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► we're doing compliant why why for this [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► episode it is bad Star Trek Louise the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► next generation as we watched Star Trek [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► insurrection from 1998 and star trek [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► nemesis from 2002 star trek nemesis you [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► may remember as the one that killed the [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► franchise for several year although it [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► was you know the six years later James [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► brought it back but this was the end of [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► the line for the next generation crew so [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► to talk about these movies in turn and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► give them a good beating as if they were [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► piñatas we just like the last time we [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► talked about started five and started [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► much picture i'm joined by a different [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► panel of people but one person remains [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► in common that's mr. Scott McNulty my [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► star trek go-to expert hi Scott [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► hello Jason have you ever experienced a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► perfect moment [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► yeah i yeah we'll talk about that later [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► bonus track damn morons here hi Dan [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► Jason if if you had lived my life would [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you not do the same as me and beyond [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► this podcast and watch too terrible Star [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► Trek movies ask yourself this [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► it's good point i'll cut myself with a [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► Romulan knife and and prove my loyalty [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► that's just how they say hello George [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Eric and signs also here [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► hello i am here i'd have to say I didn't [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► take close enough note of these movies [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► to have an actual quote to say here [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► here's one [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► this is a oscar-winner f murray Abraham [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► circuit down and memory talking about [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► you're not just a winner [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► oscar-winner Brianna was here to talk [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► star trek as we love to do with her [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► in the event of emergency i can be used [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► to simplification how did they forget [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that line boom and Joe rosenstiel is [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► also here hi Joe [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► I seem to be missing several memory and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► grams mmm [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► you know and we'll reason because [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► apparently they are physical objects and [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► not to anyway I i have questions about [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► data is brain what the wheel [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► oh I'll never get answers it sends out [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► positronic signals across vast distances [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► light-years to very specific [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► scholarships [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► yeah um bored well let's start with me [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► i'll start with the structure and action [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► so um so here's here's the thing on [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► Twitter somebody told me when we say [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► we're doing bad electric the next [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► generation somebody said all of them [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► which is really mean because star trek [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► first contact [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► that's a great movie i think it's the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► best Star Trek movie other than Star [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► Trek to I think it's a legitimately [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► great movie [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► yeah um you know star generations is [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► kind of mediocre up there are a lot of [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► things i like about it including i love [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► that there are scenes with Captain [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► Picard in' and Captain Kirk talking to [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► each other and service but on horse on [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► hoarders you get the sense that they [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► were like lowering william shatner into [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the movie rights like you can ride a [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► horse bill you could do that i do you [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► love horses better stewards like why do [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I have to ride a horse although card [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► have a saddle in that Star Trek episode [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► right Scott so it's we know all about [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► ready or you know that they have that in [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► common but I you know I think I movies [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► fine then then there's star trek [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► insurrection and start their star trek [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► nemesis and what you said that the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► differences like killed franchise dead [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► but insurrection is where we're going to [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► start with these are the assigned assign [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► films for this time since Star Trek [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► insurrection you know it's like an [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► episode of Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► they the data seems to have gone rogue [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► and is shooting up a village it's very [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► much like that is who watches the [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► Watchers Scott is that is that the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► episode where there [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► oh yeah there's like the Federation duck [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► blind in a pre-contact civilization and [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► they're kind of all all shielded and and [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► it's a little bit like that except and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► indeed has kind of gone Rogan is [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► exposing the Federation people who are [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► there along with this race we've never [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► heard of or seen before the sona sona [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that they are observing the Baku in the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► briar patch which is an area of space [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► that is different some help [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► yeah so nice just how we say sonar here [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► involve [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► yeah just I feel like I have a history [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► of having positive things to say number [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► things that many geeks don't like I am [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► blank this week I got nothing if one [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► that will help me and bri doesn't have [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► anything that is a very bad hits over so [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► well I mean in the plot structure gives [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► insurrection essentially what it turns [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► out is that this planet just like the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► fountain of youth and the Federation and [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► these people the SONA who we've never [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► heard of before that I it really sticks [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► with me it's like oh it's a brand new [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► alien race who's got starships and we've [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► never heard of him before but here they [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► it always bugged me but we make a deal [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► with them essentially because they want [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► a profit [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► everyone wants to profit from blowing up [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► the the special things special rings [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► around this planet that uh that create a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► fountain of youth and picard and his [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► crew basically repel against this [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► Federation Admiral and the SONA who were [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► there and they fight this insurrection [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► to save the indigenous people on the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► planet and then its complexity because [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► it turns out that the SONA are actually [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► part of the race of people on that [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► planet who were dissidents I'm Sports [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► West dissidents and they left and then [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► they became obsessed with [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► plastic-surgery not my favorite thing in [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► the movie anyway that's what that's what [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Star Trek insurrection is there's you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► know if murray Abraham and and and [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► patrick stewart fight in a scaffold in [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► space and that Ryker gets a shave [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► dr. precious dr. Crusher's boobs firm up [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► I i was wondering if you're going to [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► mention think I'm glad no one used on [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► learning the intro second I thought [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► about using that line and like even [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► Brianna Wu doesn't have the gall to say [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► that it's weird the redeeming quality of [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► it is that it's it's it's crusher and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► Troy talking about the transforming up [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and data is overhearing them and that [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► part is actually kind of funny because [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► its data and data is like I'm trying to [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► process this and I thought that part was [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► was funny be any it is so weird and then [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► covers are them singing like for the [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► starfish like Captain Picard saves the [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► day by sticking two more [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► oh so here's the thing about this this [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► this is that [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► I think I I kind was watching this with [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► my girlfriend and we were talking about [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► i think the thing that comes down to is [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► like you know if you're TNG fan as we [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► both were and you start watching this [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► it's it's like watching your parents try [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► to be cool with all the scenes where [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► they're young it's embarrassing i get [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► those awkward part of it is watching all [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► of them run around like teenagers and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► you're like oh Jesus God have some [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► reason for this album bowl is difficult [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► i know it's going to pull an [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► embarrassing like I don't want to be [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► seen with these people [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► yeah you know and i'm not going to say [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► interaction is good but i actually [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► enjoyed watching it I didn't have any [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► and there's a bunch of silly stuff in it [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► but I got it I got to see a couple [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► actors I like donna murphy donna murphy [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► she's she was Juliet in center stage [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► which is my favorite dance movie of all [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► time so I enjoyed watching her and then [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► i even i was proud of myself because [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► underneath all of the other makeup I [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► recognize Greg Henry no yeah Jim [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► huntzberger on Gilmore Girls is so so [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► yeah but i had things that i was able to [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► latch onto it was pretty like I want to [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► go to that planet i wanna live there i [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► gotta say i don't think the second-worst [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► star trek movie next generation movie is [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► nearly as bad as the second-worst [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► original crew movie i think i think its [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► direction is really mediocre and I think [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► there are a lot of things that are [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► terrible about it which we should [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► probably list i'll throw out some of my [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► Nana please join in the reasons that [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► this movie is bad the data playing in [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► the hay with a little boy with the cgi [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► animal I I find that really creepy and [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► weird and I don't like it in any way i [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► can someone explain the time freezing [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► thing that makes no sense I kind of I [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► think that's kind of poet i mean the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► idea is like you have a perfect moment [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► in time seems to stand still on it turns [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► out that they have like the ability to [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► freeze time through the power of I don't [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► know their advanced smarter than us the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► power to ya laters out how to do i doing [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► that kind of poetic even though it makes [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► no sense that the other thing that [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► really bugs me is the is the SONA i'm in [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Sona bug me the the idea that they are [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► unrecognizable but they're obsessed with [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► plastic surgery okay here's the thing [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► that they're plastic surgery I it seems [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► so broad as an idea this idea of trying [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► to remain young but they don't look [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► young [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► they look [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► weird it's like for real for weird and [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► so it happened we were meant to take [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► them seriously [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► on one level and yet it's also this [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► incredibly like broad satire on another [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► level and that but just completely [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► breaks down for me that can I defend [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► them with with three words on on Beth's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► owners Jeff one of the words it's it's [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► pimping space couch is these are the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► three words which is mr Abraham's got a [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► couch on his fringe which is awesome [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► just try I made note of that I've got a [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► rare point of agreement the thing I [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► don't get about the SONA is that they're [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► this this race this that has this [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► beautiful should not be stopped how many [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► yeah how many people were there on this [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► colony that were booted out to be able [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► to be seen by the Federation a hundred [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► years 10 years eve looks really sick [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► people it doesn't make it doesn't make [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► any sense that it would be better if the [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► people on the planet the Baku were like [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the hippies who left their warlike race [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► and found this paradise and wouldn't let [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► anybody else you know and you know and [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► nobody else wanted to come there [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► something like that might have been a [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► better dynamic but the idea that there's [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► this powerful race that we've never seen [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► before in star track and in a hundred [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► years they formed and we've lost track [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► of where they came from [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► it's kind of ridiculous I mean it is [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► they're just trying to backtrack it to [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► get the story to work then and it [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense and then yet [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► again the satire I get the satire [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► reminds me a little bit of Erika king dr [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► who the in the the end the world where [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► there's the the cassandra is a that her [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► name right yep that's and she said she's [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► a character who is the she is the [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► ultimate expression of plastic surgery [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► she's skin on a trampoline frame [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► essentially it is varying human it is [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► very funny and very broad but and I was [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► thinking of that when i watch the book [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the the SONA because it's like that it's [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► like except they're they're supposed to [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► be taken seriously while being [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► ridiculous and it's just it's just it's [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► too bad because I think a lot of the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► movie is perfectly fine as in like a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► next generation episode it's define it [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► in the degree of difficulty I think it's [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► a degree of difficulty thing like you [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► know making this [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I feel like you said well it's a long [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► episode so in some ways it doesn't [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► require quite as much ingenuity or [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► stretching or any sort of yeah of itself [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► it's it's fine but it's not a [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► particularly difficult concept or really [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know yeah I don't think it's [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► particularly complexes and that's fine [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► and the action bits are super lazy they [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► do prefigure drones a little bit which I [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► thought was kind of cool thing seeing it [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► now some of the scenes are terrible like [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the spinning in the shuttles just made [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► me nauseous [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► no just run around each other I I think [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► like a lot of the you know a lot of the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► cg of the nineties and say this is [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► someone who does this for a living [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► a lot of cg the nineties doesn't hold up [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► because we didn't have in things like [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► new Carlotta the advance on color [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► matching things if i want to say like [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of anything possible [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► if you could say about this movie I [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► think this particular version of the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► enterprise is probably the best one from [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► a design perspective yeah i love you [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► work for me [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah it'sit's that came up and this [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► is really interesting technically I they [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► had certain technologies to really [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► create lots of detail on the whole of [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► this ship and it really shots in the [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► design like it's it's like when you're [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► watching episode 7 of Star Wars and [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► they're flying through the the surface [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► of like a Star Destroyer you can see [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► that much detail of it looks better that [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► technology this was when they first [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► started doing that for like Star Trek [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► and I think that successful put so bad [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► to have all the fight scenes and [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► everything the entire movie just not [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► make any sense so bad that it ruins it [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► either i do like I mean mentioned on [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► Murphy I like Don Murphy I like her [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► exchanges with the card I think that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► kind of their kind of interesting this [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► truly like I mean it as an old like like [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► like Frank actually Brianna old-school [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► TOS Star Trek fan it reminded me that a [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► little bit is like you know the captain [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► goes down on the planet and there's a [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► woman down there who you know but in [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► this case donna murphy she's kind of [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► super wise because it turns out she's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the older woman she's like several [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► hundred years old and I thought that was [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► an interesting give-and-take and I also [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► like the fact that they cast a 40 year [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► old woman in that part and not [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► not a 20 year old woman because you [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► could argue that if they're eternally [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► young they should all look 20 years old [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► but they didn't do that and I thought [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► she was great in it [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► I you know the shoes me ASAP let's be [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► honest like she's ridiculously gorgeous [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► oh yeah she's fantastic it's it i really [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► love i really love that that's it's all [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► rolled into gether I i love less the the [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► kind of really boring action scenes [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► where they're picking off drones and [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► running through caves and fighting in a [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► in a big frame with Emory Abraham very [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► good insurrection because they are [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► eating hundreds of people across an open [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► field when the enemy has a spaceship [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► with scanner still like strengthen them [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► yeah well they're used to having a lot [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► of technology so they're feeling a [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► little disadvantage i also love that [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► when they show up to stop the card from [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► going rogue [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► he's like 40 and Riker you guys stay [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► behind fortunately you're already [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► wearing your uniform [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► it's like you like this i noticed that [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► we really need each other that was kind [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► of mistake they should have been it [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► would have been funny but they should [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► have been ready with their City clothes [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► and being like up i guess we gotta [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► change back into our uniforms the writer [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► has a sweet leisure suit somewhere come [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► on man [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► although again I gotta say Riker the one [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► of the things that makes me cringe in [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► this movie is Riker and Troy in the [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► bathtub in the shaving yes I just really [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► horny because they're in the briar patch [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► but it's like these movies are heavy on [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► the the sex scenes you never really want [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► well six iterations appeal was all about [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► Riker and Troy's relationship right [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► let's take a break for me to tell you [TS]

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00:17:48 ◼   ► that the the indication that this [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► society this is no planetary society is [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► so advanced in like really you know [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► they're all coordinated stuff is that [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they play hacky sack like a bunch of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► college freshman yeah but really good at [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► their really congratulate act like man [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► also dates and the fact that it's an [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► entire planet surrounded by the fountain [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► of youth rings but there's only like six [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► hundred people on the whole planet right [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► me you could just just come down just [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► just hang out make it make a resort spa [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► right which apparently wasn't related [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► scene where there's enough room wasn't [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► then they just invite the SONA to live [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► yeah with them well the card even says [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► that add to the Admiral and he says Oh [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► altered condition is so bad at this [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► point that it would take them ten years [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► before they even saw any benefit from [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that and they would start dying by then [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► they don't want to do that so that much [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► either just blow up the planet really [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► seems like a script note right where [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► somebody we found a plot hole when they [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► just insert a line of dialogue say oh no [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► we can't do that yet these states are so [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► incredibly low need to have different [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► line [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► how low are they didn't have that moment [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► where I thought you know although i [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► complained a lot about on Star Trek and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► doctor who actually the idea that every [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► story has to be about the fate of here [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the fate of the world favorite human [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► race the fate of the universe [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► I don't have that moment an insurrection [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► where I'm like fate of 500 people [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► well it is a movie I mean like you said [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it it should be bigger than that because [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► it feels it just feels like a regular [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► episode that happens to be a little bit [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► longer [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► I mean that does give us that nice see [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► where Picard is like how many people [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► does it take for it to matter it has a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► good scene that's true that's a good [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► scene so I like they are there are some [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► there are some good things in here I [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► also liked Georgie seeing a sunrise with [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► his real ID yes that was Jordan is [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► always my painting that was a really [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► good yeah thats related everything [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► Beverly with a gun taking out those [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► little robots and enjoying the heck out [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► of me that was super fun for me as a as [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► a fan of hers or speaking majority again [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the moment where he rejects the warp [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► core before he's even ordered to that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► was a good woman already got it at yep [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► what am I for one of my biggest pet [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► peeves about what any kind of any kind [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► of military or star trek or science [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► fiction show is that quite often it [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► takes forever from the time that the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► captain gives the order for something to [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► actually happen it has to be related [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► through at least one other person before [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► all but I wished and then suddenly like [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► you know that there's a huge scene with [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► that nemesis hunt for red october i love [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► that Georgie just jumped the gun and [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► he's like no needed to be done I didn't [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► you know wash my hands and there's a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► moment of realization like yep all right [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► onto [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► do you think about this movie i think [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► especially in comparison to the movie [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► will talk to you in a moment is the this [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► is really well served by like all the [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► characters are really well served by [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► this movie I feel like even if it's in [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► sometimes ridiculous ways [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► everybody gets a couple scenes and it [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► feels like there's some character [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► development like these feel like the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► characters that we know from the show [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► i'll be it you know kind of under a [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► weird influence of this whole planet [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► region whatever but like you get to see [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► all the characters you get to see them [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► interact you know you get and and that I [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► think use kind of lacking in the other [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► yeah but i will say that i do feel kind [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► of bad for gates mcfadden because she [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► had been played for a long time is this [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► love interest with the car yeah and we [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► let me about this Joe yeah when one of [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► my episodes that I really love is when [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► they get bonded with the telepathic link [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► thing and abducted on that planet and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► our wandering around and so they get to [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► know each other and all that stuff in a [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► relationship that's building up and then [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► in this movie it's just like yeah [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► whatever we're just hanging out and I'm [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► gonna go shoot some drones over here and [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► stand for people with the tricorder yep [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► well I me and he's like yeah but Donna [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► Murphy is right here so yeah she's [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► helping him with like his collar and the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► first scene and you feel like oh maybe [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► they don't like decided to make a go of [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► it I always shipped them so hmm well [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► speaking of that first thing I really [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► like how war shows up and parts like [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► what are you doing here warfare that how [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► are you doing it over [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► they don't care they shipped to another [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► thing you don't even hear what he says [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► it doesn't matter well here I what [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► worried about war shows up whenever [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► there's a movie that's going to be shot [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► because they gotta give him back because [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► they're going to explain in the deep [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► deep space nine chronology which is a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► little bit confusing but it had I like [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► I'm glad they do it and not like what [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► why is mr. Worf not in the Star Trek [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► movies well because he was on TV no no [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► we're going to bring it back and put it [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► in the movies TV I think TV plays a big [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► part in when we look at any of the next [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► generation movies because the original [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► Star Trek was off the air for 10 years [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► and then they came back and they made a [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► bunch of movies i think one of the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► challenges with all these [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► next-generation movies is it was a cast [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► of a TV show and they they finished the [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► TV show and said well every couple of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► years we'll come back and we'll make a [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► movie with you guys and and they did [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► that 44 movies and it makes I feel like [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it's kind of a degree of difficulty [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► increase on that front because you're [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► always going to just say this is just [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► like a TV episode but the fact is you [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► know it [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► this is this movie of all the Star Trek [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► movies that were made feels the most [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► like a TV episode I mean and it's like [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► you know in a 24 episode season you can [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► like there's a rhythm to star trek right [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► like a season comes out we all accept [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► that making only about a third of them [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► are going to be good you know that you [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► just you know that but i think it's it's [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► really interesting to look at the the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► historical time that was going on here [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► with the the trek franchise because [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► there were a lot of rumors back then and [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► there was a lot of people advocating for [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► there being a voyeur movie and they were [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► talking about Voyager maybe trying to [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► take over the home after the mtng movies [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► had really run their course and because [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► these two movies are so bad i feel like [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► it really it's like you said it really [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► hurt the franchise for a really long [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► time and you just you can't forgive this [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► level of just cheese in a star trek [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► movie like I understand not every star [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► trek movie needs to be a hyper serious [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► first content with tina those high [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► stakes [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► I understand that like some of them are [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► going to be the voyage home and be a [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► little more comical this one just failed [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► like there's there's very little they [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► succeeded at and that that makes me very [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► sad [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► are you saying that you think the manual [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► steering control being a joystick yeah [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► okay just wanna be why would you not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► just go up to the helm and control the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► helmet your writer and you think that [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► but instead they have this thing that [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► comes out of the floor of a joystick why [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► do you have that all the time but they [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► have a lot yeah there's a lot of that [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► we're in this movie especially and I [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► think again you're thinking of it as a [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► TV show you like why did you do that and [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► the answers we have money to do that so [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► we did that and it's not a good it's not [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► a good enough reason [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► also the tent and we'll get to this with [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► nemesis as well but i want to point out [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► the tenuous of Star Trek as as a film [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► franchise the fact that paramount in the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► eighties and nineties and early two [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► thousands uh was this close like [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► structure to was developed as a TV movie [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► right and they finally decided to make a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► feature film every for all that we [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► talked about this weird [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► it's about how there was the even movies [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► are good and the odd movies are are are [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► not as good [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► um the first time the even and odd [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► movies were bad they ended it that was [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► it being so they were always like one [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► away from being shut down the the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► budgets weren't that great i mean you [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► look at these movies they look ok the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► budgets weren't weren't were were ok but [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► they weren't also like super blockbuster [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► budgets they never really were after the [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► motion picture it's just interesting to [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► think of we think of Star Trek as this [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► eternal franchise in so many different [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► ways and yet during this period they [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► were right on the edge of getting thrown [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► out the door every single time and in [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► fact nemesis has it has a different [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► screen writer and a different director [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► because they basically said we need to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► do something to shake this up and then [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► when that stiffed they just said forget [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► it we're gonna go back to the drawing [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► it's just so weird to think that like [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► not being able to make money on Star [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► Trek given the high level of devoted [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► fanbase that it has right and looking at [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the huge number of sci-fi franchises [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that we've had since then it's just it's [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► kind of mind-boggling but you're totally [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► right like that was the climate of the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► times i remember going to see this in [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the movie theater and being really [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► excited about another star trek movie [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► especially after first contact and it [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► was just a that came out this going on [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► was that [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah I actually liked it better [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► this time watching it and I good when I [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► saw in the theater because when i was in [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the theater I had high hopes for it when [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► i watch out today I mean this is an [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► episode called bad Star Trek movies like [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► I do I wasn't in for much so it didn't [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► have any expectations to live up to its [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► an episode with a big budget that's [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► basically I mean that's my biggest [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► criticism of it actually is i can [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► complain about the SONA and I and the [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► little cgi woodchuck or whatever his put [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► but really it's just you know that's why [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► i don't think it's particularly bad up [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► or bad episode see what i just said a [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► bad movie it's just it's not a movie [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► it's just kind of there it's an episode [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► of Star Trek The Next Generation with a [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► bigger budget and it's not special and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► next-generation you know and not every [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► episode Embry was saying this about you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► know not every episode needs to be [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► special went into TV series but one of [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the movie it kind of needs to be special [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► and insurrection is not it's just not [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► know it and there [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► an additional element to this win the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► started coming out when Star Wars was [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► also coming out like this is there's a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► six-month separation between this and [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► the Phantom Menace ah and with nemesis [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► was the same year is a attack of the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► clones and even though [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► attack of the clones horrible movie how [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► he just in terms of like the the pop [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► culture awareness of everyone you know [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► tuning into something with with science [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► fiction film it's just like why would [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you pay attention to either these two [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► star trek movies over that [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► yeah I mean there's so many reasons I I [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► feel like now maybe the climate is [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► actually a little bit better we did that [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► episode of the uncomfortable while ago [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► about the the new star trek see TV [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► series coming from CBS and you know if [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► you talk about if you listen to what [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► paramount is saying about the star trek [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► film franchise it's entirely possible i [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► mean that they're starting it could go [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► bad but they're they're starting to [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► think about like what if Star Trek was [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► Abe wider universe more like Star Wars [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► or the Marvel movies and they had [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► different movies that were not tied to [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► just uh you know just the the TV shows [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► or the the classic characters and the [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► funny thing is any Star Trek fans going [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► to say well of course Star Trek's always [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► been bigger than anyone show but it [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► seems to have taken the success of the [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► Marvel movies and then you know looking [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► at what they're doing with Star Wars for [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► the stewards of the franchise to say oh [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► you know what we could probably do that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► the star track and so now they're [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► figuring it out but you know Star Trek [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► could have been the Marvel movies in the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► nineties or the 2,000 if they had had [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► some vision but instead they just felt [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► like it was a continuation of a TV show [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and how broad is a movie based on a TV [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► I mean I don't know maybe the entourage [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► movie did really well it didn't but you [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► know it's it's a limited audience so I [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► don't know I feel like the kind of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► painting themselves in a corner and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► maybe they finally figured out now but [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► it is it just seemed like an awful waste [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► to to go through all this and end up [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► with no you didn't even mention i [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► believe the budgets for these star trek [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► movies a fraction of the Star Wars [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► movies [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► oh yeah so this was a 58 million for [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► insurrection and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► a phantom menace i think was a hundred [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► and well or something like that so you [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► know so you know you compare them on [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► screen and for all we can say about the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► Phantom Menace it a little it sounds [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► great it looks great it's got all these [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► I can explain exactly what things about [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the man tonight not happy [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► motion denied even I am done defending [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► the prequels after seeing episode 7 [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► alike yet there can be good Star Wars [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► movies around alkaline trio story [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► yeah technically episode one spectacular [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► technically spectacular and then you [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► look at insurrection you're like CGI [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► here's is terrible it's really hot so ya [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► can compare droid armies to the little [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► flying drone things actually that was a [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► hard one of the things that really got [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► my goat was it the little flying drone [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► things and that obnoxious scene where we [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► get the pan across everybody has their [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► reading reading their weapons [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► the Browns are just sitting there [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► waiting the camera for any surprise our [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► heroes and then they start so you know [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► there's a pan happening we've got to [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► stop the data nice to his jump and shoot [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► thing it's gonna be really really [TS]

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00:31:48 ◼   ► up line and you know I like that length [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► so when we talk about what did with data [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► what all the characters doing this data [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► is the plot mechanic for a while because [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► he's kind of malfunctioning but it turns [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► out that his his moral and ethical [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► subroutines take over whenever he's [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► damaged ok but but at the end or in that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► scene in the captain's yacht which was [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► by the way always on the blueprints of [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the enterprise was that there was a [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► captain's yacht and we never saw it and [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► as a fan of of the next generation that [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► was always a little theoretically on the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► bottom of the saucer there's this [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► captain's yacht nobody ever talked about [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it in this movie the card is packing in [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► the stuff and all that was supposed to [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► feel like diplomacy I don't know Dan I [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► don't know why they have the captain but [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► they do but there's a great that that's [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► a great moment when they point out well [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► data says everybody else here is feeling [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► the effects so they may be having [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► youthful rebellious tendencies but not [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► me and progresses well what about you [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► David he's like lock and load [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► saddle up let's do it and that's a great [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► that is actually a legitimately great [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► moment in the movie because it is he is [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► he is completely logical and says we [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► need to we need to do this insurrection [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► and I like that part that's that's a [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► nice moment together it makes me cringe [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► I don't love the dialogue I don't like a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► saddle saddle up with brent Spiner I [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► don't like that but i like i like the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► moments leading up to it i do I let the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► idea that data is you know David's got [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► something to say here that he's totally [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► you know he's totally not affected by [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► this he doesn't have a Gorch or anything [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► did anything he well he's already been [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► interest mood as an interest that and [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► yeah the jokes the jokes I would watch [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the webseries settle up with brent [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► Spiner anyway i don't know i mean it is [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► it fair to say that this is not you know [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► it's not it's not a grotesquely bad [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► movie it's just kind of there [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► you know i will say this i enjoyed the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► music all the way through insurrection [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► and that is not something i can say [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► about the next film Argo one of the sad [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► things about all of these bad Star Trek [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► movies all four of them that we watched [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► are scored by Jerry Goldsmith who is a [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► hero is 82 up your professional and i [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► will say the part I didn't notice the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► one part I really music stood out to me [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► is when I Worf beats up some guy and [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► they give you a call back to the Klingon [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► yeah throne hits the drone with a phaser [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► rifle and ditto back to and from the [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► original motion picture which is a great [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► area i mean i will be the score for the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► motion picture is fantasy it is the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► jerry goldsmith works on work on that is [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► among his best and it's great having [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► school administrators movies i don't [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► know i think that was a what happened to [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► your citizens will well I guess we'll [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► get there it's I sorry Jerry Goldsmith [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► you you weren't the problem but uh [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► thatthat's that is it Jerry Goldsmith [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► through with this movie [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► ok let's talk about Star Trek nemesis [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► let's do it [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► Star Trek Star Trek 10 we according to [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► some star trek nemesis i believe the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► title says star teac menaces because [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► they have a Russian are ok that works on [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► it was a toys r us ad the ads for to [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► that to the namespace directed by stuart [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► bear you may know him from u.s. marshals [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► written by john logan the the [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► screenwriter of gladiator which I would [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► say is one of the worst best picture [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► winners of all time I just watched it [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► recently for the first time ever here [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► here's my one word review gladiator you [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► Battier later oh I see what you did [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► yesterday and the other one I mean this [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► is a guy who also wrote Specter Skyfall [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► Hugo I mean in some there's some decent [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► movies there maybe not great movies but [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► there he's a he's not a terrible writer [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► he has written some decent movie its [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► interests will be tornado they brought [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► in paper interview that's about [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► explanation they um they brought in new [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► director jonathan frakes director the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► last two they brought in John Logan [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► although the score story credit is with [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► Rick Berman who was the guy who was like [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► the Running Start rack after Gene [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► Roddenberry died and brent Spiner has a [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► story credit here which is also bizarre [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► and a bad sign i would say whenever one [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► of your cast members sorry start start [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► beyond Simon Pegg screenplay credit um [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► the so stark nemesis the whole premise [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► here is Tom Hardy it's years before he [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► was bein sorry like work before he was [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► building dog man is is a clone of [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► Captain Picard who's for some reason [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► they were gonna try to replace Captain [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► Picard and the but just as we meet him [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► he's starting to decay and die from [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► failed cloning something-or-other anyway [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► up one of RNA Jason his or his RNA thank [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► you rule anyway so he's he's compile or [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► RNA sequence with the Riemann's who were [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► like next to the Romulans but not the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► Romulans mental kind of like vampires [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► from buffy the vampire slayer' and duck [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► and and what's in ron perlman is helpful [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► at TVs hellboy sorry movies hellboy is [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the Viceroy has his pal [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► I don't know they have a plan to destroy [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► everybody with this weapon that is [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► creepy and they lower the enterprise [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► with eighth a data prototype called [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► before uh [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► at which they leave on a planet which [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► leads to a very exciting except not [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► exciting at all dune buggy scenes it was [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► interminable and then in the end they [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► crashed the ships together and data [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► sacrifices himself to phaser the thing [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and blow it up and then they say we give [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► up and there are no more next generation [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the movies I think that's pretty much [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► how this one ok so i had a couple [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► comments about this is off the top one [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's it's actually a much better looking [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► movie than insurrection and gases just [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► interim looks like a TV episode [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► this looks like a movie there are some [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► good i mean like patrick stewart and i'm [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► sitting on the Box looks like a movie [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► I mean that's restored and tom hardy [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► both good actors and i actually had like [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► the premise that there is like a clone [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► of the card like that's kind of a cool [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► entry direction I know although i will [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► say the Porco's again saga did that same [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► plot much better and the idea that you [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► have scenes work Picard his clone are [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► doing like hello I'm just like you it [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► sounds like those students would be good [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► right it's so boring it's so worried why [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► is this boring i can't figure it out it [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► should be good but it's boring haha [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► every time that they're talking about [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► how they're very similar it's like [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► they're not actually similar at all the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► words pet restored impression ever will [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► very much like you and I captain you [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► have a note we are you have a chin with [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► a cleft and I have a PCM no hair just [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► like to look left so we're very similar [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► I felt like Captain Picard is more [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► especially by this point is life more [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► self-aware and more self-assured then [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► was required for this plot so they just [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► don't him down and make sure of himself [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► so that he could have this elusive moral [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► dilemma that just does not play the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► board the lemon or the lumber is like [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► what i have done this it's like that's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► not even relevant [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► definitely like okay so what I would [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► have done this so i should give him a [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► pass i'm just killing in Kentucky you [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► know I Tom party tom hardy is given a [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► very difficult this month [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► Tom Hardy's very first roles he's given [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► a difficult job he isn't makeup to try [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► to make them look a little more like [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► patrick stewart young Patrick Stewart [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► when I apparently that's James McAvoy I [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► sorry franchise my girlfriend actually [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► thought it was James McAvoy for a moment [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► I was like that's weird [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► so is it but you know I IE tries and [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► there are some moments with him that are [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► kind of interesting but you're right the [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► problem is that I that Patrick Stewart [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► has got it so together to what you [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► really want is like decisions on [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► legitimately struggling with being a [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► good person or kind of following the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► goals of his Viceroy and because there's [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► this is this implication that the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Riemann's are these put up on people [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► there bends the slaves to the Romulans [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► and now they're having a revolt and and [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► yet it gets caught up in this kind of [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► like button Bond villain ask i'm going [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► to destroy Earth thing instead of like [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► let's right the wrongs in the Romulan [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► Empire it would have been an interesting [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► story if the idea was like Picard trying [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► to to steer his clone essentially his [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► twin into making the right choices [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► instead of the wrong choices but instead [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► the heat you know he's just a James Bond [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► villain it's all part of a plot before [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► has been poisoned with bad information [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► to make him a spy it except there's a [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► double-cross and in the end they kind of [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► waste this whole premise of of Picard is [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► clone and like nature versus nurture [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► it's just in the end it's just kind of [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► why even do it and they make data stupid [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► the reason that this whole thing off its [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► fake data thing comes in is it suddenly [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► for some reason data is dumb enough he [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► doesn't think to change his passwords [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► before like know what really gets me is [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► have any of you ever read the original [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► Star Trek nemesis script with where it [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► wasn't before it was benign has yeah I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► had repaired that's great with benign [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► yeah it is this is what fundamentally [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► can't understand because before this [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► movie came out this was the era when [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► like dinner where scripts are being [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► leaked on the Internet [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► it was really big problem yeah I read [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the generation script like us a year [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► before it came out absolutely so we were [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► all doing that and i remember reading [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► this and thinking my god this is really [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► this is gonna be a powerful movie like [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► they're gonna kill the the Romulan [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► Senate it's like you said Jason they're [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► all these scenes with like Picard and [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► his clone like really feeling like [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► echoes of each other and the dialogue is [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► really sharp and and painful and then I [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► remember going to the theater go [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► what happened did get a sort of rider [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► hid themselves in the head with [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► what is going on here i I don't [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► understand because this is a very power [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► this is story that could be told [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► extremely extremely well there's no [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► premise that is so good it can't be [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► flooded and there's no premise that's so [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► bad it can't be done well this is an [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► exceptional idea and it's like Tom Hardy [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► is an exceptional actor in other things [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► I think so it's clearly not him is an [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► actor unless he was just drastically [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► works back then it got some good [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► training I I don't understand what [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► happened here [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► I look like I'm letting this i will say [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► this for nemesis that in that first [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► scene when you were looking at the the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► Romulan senator whatever it's it's [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► already better as far as I women's [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► representation and places of power than [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► star trek into darkness was yeah I'm [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► just ready to have another both of these [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► are then in in both gender and diversity [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► well no no it gets it gets much worse [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► for the rest of the movie [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah because that's 10 Romulan woman [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► using her sexiness to try to get yeah [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► and then we get a dream rape scene that [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► that is we are destroyed that choice but [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► i didn't really present for a minute I [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► was i am not going to say it was okay [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► with it but for a minute when it's troy [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that actually gets to be the one who [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► uses her psychic connection to sort of [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► get her own revenge I was like yeah they [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► gave her agency they're not having [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► somebody to fight for her right and then [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they ruined it all by having Riker be [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► the one that has the showdown with the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► dude that did that in the first place [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► was like nope you lost me [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► why do they send Riker into the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► corridors to just do a fight scene and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► then that and and [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► in the moment you're like ha there's [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► fighting this it's it's like there was a [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► again a producer not like more hand and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► fighting all right we'll have regular [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► gonna but the moment that made me laugh [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► out loud is when at the very end breaker [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► just kind of shows up back on the bridge [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► at the end like hey guys i was in that [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► fight scene but I'm back now i have any [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► questions about that fight see why not [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► send wharf [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► yeah I know what when why not have a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► cover for that Jefferies tube that [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► people could just fall that is there a [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► judge and the shaft with a precarious [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► bridge somewhere in the innards of the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► enterprise the same people make the [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► catwalks in the storm star wars and star [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► lifestyle and these at least heron [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► handrails though they just don't work [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► when they're turned on the side but i [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► have just screws here then screw them [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► into the bulkhead so that's good [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► yeah well it also doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► be Dec 29 and let's not get it looks [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► like i said how much is right blue [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► prints i didn't have the trip Dec 29 [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► that line i was i was saying to myself [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► random number generator 29 and is the [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► birthdate of your child's like why so [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► specifically Dec 29 but they said write [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► her off and and I again it just feels [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► completely kind of bogus like we need to [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► give Riker something to do so why don't [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► we have a big fight scene with this one [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► Riemann who's left on the ship and and [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► many dispatches him by having employment [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► to his death so was that or was that not [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► the the Viceroy I don't run the right [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► ring finger ya see what I can tell [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► you're always the same sorry mythology [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► always look like to be gracious i don't [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► have a great time with all I think it [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► was because he's getting revenge on the [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► you know but the dude that violated his [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► woman which is what made me so mad I [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► guess also using mr. Troy as an insult [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► was just another thing that made me [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► shake my mom makes it so frustrated [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► about these two movies is if you [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► remember this era like deep space nine [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► was much better than tangi which was [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► much better about ta centos and having [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► women be on the show you don't have [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► agency and be characters and then voyage [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► our camera which is just by far the best [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► Star Trek statistically they've looked [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► at it it is [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► and women representation and whether on [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► certain that and we get and we gotta [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► Janeway cameo a nemesis that's actually [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► terrible fire woman could have been any [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► generic Admiral and it's Admiral Janeway [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► with a stronger than you think simply [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► card and look at the way they're women [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► actually get your curfew speak and be [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► characters in this in this particular [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► one it is really bad and you know it's [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► like you say we have like a psychic rape [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► scene that's not really a closet [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► indicator that you're on the right track [TS]

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00:47:51 ◼   ► there's a moment where there where they [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► are where they're going to beam down to [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► to Romulus and he's like all right away [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► team let's go to this invitation that [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► they've gotten where they just kind of [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► go around [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► well I guess we'll just fly to Romulus [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► by the way I had questions about that [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► too like let's just cross the neutral [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► zone and going around it'll be okay we [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► got an invitation could we show you our [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► invitation card that we got from the [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► congratulations on he said we can come [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► and then they just start are hovering [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► around like I guess we'll just wait here [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► until they tell us what to do for [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► independent team something hours nobody [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► talks to them all that and then finally [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► they they picked they send them the [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► invite you know beyond down here the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► locations and he says okay away team [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► let's go and there's that moment where [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► they all leave the bridges like there's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► nobody left on the bridge was like the [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► senior staff [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► yeah all the terrible idea [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► supernumeraries are there but what [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► struck me of that scene 2 is that I [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► think there's like one woman and all the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► supernumeraries and i'm kinda like come [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► on guys [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► yeah this is your opportunity to just [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► like it to be a little bit nopee there [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► it's just like our extras or white guys [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► then no okay and there's nobody else [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► left on the ship because we've all all [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the important characters have now beam [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► down to to have the lengthy boring [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► supposedly creepy scene where Tom Hardy [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► takes the lights up a little bit talk to [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► a smart light bulbs as serie turn up the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► lights a little hasn't turned back down [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► a little bit [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► ron perlman kind of comes in and growls [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► and then goes back out again goes on [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► forever it's really boring i suppose [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► we're supposed to be in that whole scene [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► we're supposed to be like oh my god oh [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► my god oh my god it's Picard is a young [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► Picard oh my god but not only does that [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► not happen but then in the movie it's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► like I kept waiting for tom hardy to be [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like you getting it yet have you figured [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► it out yet [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► do you see this smile if I serious [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► anxiety when he does it's it's but I I [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► kept waiting for it to be broader [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► because it's like first off their plant [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► you can't play it like it's obvious and [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► also that you didn't get it but that's [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► what this movie does it say you and I [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► are not so different because work is why [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► right so the card [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► literally invited to dinner and says [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► just the one yes he does [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► we don't know what's worse than that [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► it's like just the two of us we should i [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► say no uh-uh I don't understand was just [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► a bad that's a bad scene that's I'm just [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► missing anything Justin right legend [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► says yeah I think you'll be this isn't [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► it is the tradition of the Riemann [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► greeting here let me be done this night [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► well this is also the scene to where [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► he's super creepy about like i've never [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► seen a human woman before tonight [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► ok yeah that was crazy but not in the I [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► don't think it was creepy the way they [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► were going for you know now yeah it was [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► it was definitely not what they were [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► going for it [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► no I'm against what they were going to [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► get a weapon again if he has a story arc [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► where he's actually this messed-up guy [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► who might be good and it might be bad [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► and he's feel feels totally isolated and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► its first time seeing humans you could [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► see it as being a very Star Trek kind of [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► shorthand of oh he doesn't know about [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► you know how proper behavior is and it [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► would be it wouldn't be good but it [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► would be very Star Trek but none of that [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► is built up he's just like this totally [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► creepy James Bond villain I mean I'm a [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► little surprised he doesn't have a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► Romulan cat to stroke while he's talking [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► because he is these got the bald [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► everything in the pleather the whole [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► thing that can make it was too hard to [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► put on but the shoulder pets all the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► shoulder pads but let's rainbow out the [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► applets oh yeah he's like a bug's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► carapaces care [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► yes Romulans don't have a set match [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► I didn't really like his origin story [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► either which is well they sent me to [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► they did they they made me this clone [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► because they had this plot but then it [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► didn't work out so they sent me to the [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► the the slaves and they raised me and [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► then we had a revolt and here i am [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► putting you have a note in my notes that [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► just it's three words it says backstory [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► is boring [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► that's where it doesn't really make any [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► sense you're this big secret weapon and [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► then they throw you away but you lead a [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► revolt and now that you've got through [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► the revolt all worked out let don't [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► don't ask for specifics about that but [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► again he leads a revolt but he also in [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► his backstory he's led like 12 battles [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► for the Romulan Empire against the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► Dominion [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► yeah why is the wire the Romulans [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► letting him command ships doesn't make [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► sense you can you know you can build a [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► special super-secret prototype warbird a [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► super secret base that he has access to [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► for some reason also it's amazing and [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► perfect cloaking and all these also use [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► ships on it wow they are really not [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► paying any attention to the Riemann well [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► he's he's that he's like well that is [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► very much a star trek into darkness [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► thing to where it's like I don't really [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► believe that one person can go off and [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► build an advanced starship on their home [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► be smothered one piece in every day [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► yep an issue it is and it in his pants [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► and he was just like let it fall on the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► floor and yeah oh yeah I have another [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► note my notes are just just a little bit [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► after that it's a forward such already [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► tweeted about this just I just don't [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► care [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► you mean it was a terrible way we're [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► going to tell my notes admitted i think [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► i did tweet my favorite lines in this [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► movie which is I have an appointment [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► with the fully ambassador which is how [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► the Romulan say they're going to the [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► bathroom [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► oh that's right so what would the other [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► they're really gets me about this movie [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► is I don't know how you all feel but one [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► of the things that makes wrath of kind [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► so powerful for me is box death see it [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► move yet deeply every time I see it and [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► I always cry I always will cry and we [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► knew the data was going to die [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► going into this movie and I just feel [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like it's so disrespectful how badly [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► they executed this like be four is a [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► horrible take on David like Laura's at [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► least an interesting extrapolation of [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► who data is in like his dark side and [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► like the the struggle with emotions vs [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► growth and humanity that is interesting [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► before is just a really terrible mr. [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► scenario type about some about some [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► marginalized groups and to have data is [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► death scene [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► who's probably like besides Picard the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► most beloved character if not the most [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► beloved character certainly of TNG be so [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► cheap and crappily written and just [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► thrown away and so incidental and so [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► meaningless [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► is such a massive amount of disrespect [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► to that character it makes me angry but [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► would you all agree the anomaly the [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► amount of upset i was at data being [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► stupid for not changing his password is [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► well here to the rage I feel for him [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► being so stupid he didn't give captain [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► picard the little transporter thing [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► before he just started to wear actually [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► yeah what yeah baby and and no amount of [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► toasts from chateau Picard wine after [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► he's died will because again although [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► the the coffin scenester to is poignant [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► it's made more poignant by the fact that [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► we have the spot death scene where as [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► datas death scene is he sticks a thing [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► on Picard and fires his phaser into a [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► glowing thing and that's it and that's [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► all we get and and it's unfulfilling the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► the fact that before seems to have his [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► memories and it's very clearly like the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► you know obviously in the next in the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► next movie that was never made data [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► would be back because they they make a [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► point in the script of saying he's [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► physically exactly like me it's only his [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► mind that's different and i'm putting my [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► memories in him it's very clearly set up [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► kind of like the remember thing and [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► start to always get Briana Briana was [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► gonna take it back even further and say [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► I feel like this movie more than any [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► other star trek movie is trying so hard [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► to be star trek to guess on every level [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► anyone bail on every level of being star [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► trek to ya [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► star trek to and star trek 6 which were [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► both will start with 6 is trying to be [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► star trek to this is true your head so [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► it's like it more successfully [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► I like it yeah I know about Star Trek's [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► is one of my favorites i met distant i'm [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► just saying that that that it is [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► starting to is the Goldfinger of of Star [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► Trek movies basically where they every [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► time it's just like hey we need [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► something the audience likes let's go [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► let's go up mind something from that and [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► so yeah but if it totally not well [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► executed at all here horrible job you [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► feel cheated you don't feel any of the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► the sweeping emotional response that you [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► feel in in star trek to there's no real [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► cleverness there's no the Enterprise [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► crew out thinking anyone else like they [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► just hit a ship into another ship [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► yeah is it just feels cheap and weird [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► technically well executed but you don't [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► you don't respond to what you're seeing [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► like it's it's it's a total disconnect [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► it's a weird like again you know [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► comparing once again to the movie before [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► this he as bad as weird as the character [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► executions are in that movie those [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► characters are recognizable where is so [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► many places here it feels like people [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► it feels like the whole clone thing it's [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► like people who look like the characters [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► that you know but don't really act or [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► talk or have any personality like the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► characters you know a lot of the scenes [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► I mean and I'd I think that's why data [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► is death ring so Hollow is in some ways [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► it's just like well this is a real like [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► this this is all just like a holiday [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► like this is just a simulation his [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► sacrifice you don't see them Spock there [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► is a moment answer to that is a [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► beautiful moment then you may miss it if [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► it's the first time you've seen it but [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► after you've seen it once you see it and [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► it's the moment where he's on the bridge [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► and he decides to go down and fix the [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► ship that's the most boxes I will [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► sacrifice myself to save these people [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► because otherwise we're all gonna die so [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► i'm going to die and they're going to [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► live and he he does it's silent he gets [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► up he leaves the bridge and he goes down [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► their data you know he does have Georgie [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► like turn off the force field so we can [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► fly over to the other ship and all but [TS]