The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 293 large 2060 [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L we [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► are here to convene another edition of [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► our comic book club we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► about the weekend in the divine by karen [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► gillan and Jamie McKelvie published by [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► image comics we're going to be delving [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► into the first two trades will blow the [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► spoiler horn before we get into a lot of [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► detail about them so you can run away [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► that there are three trade paperbacks [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► available so you can we like a in our [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► book club to make it so that you can go [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► out and buy a trade paperback or two and [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► have a good reading experience without [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► requiring you to read like 800 issues of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► something anyway joining me to talk [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► about the wicked and the divine I i have [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► some excellent members of comic book [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► club this time Lisa Schmeisser as always [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► hello hi I'm said that we're doing this [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► I it's good it's good to have the comic [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► book club back in session [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► mhm the Tony centralized out there hi [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► Tony hello nerds [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I we got a hell on earth from Tony [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► answer again but some people want for [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► some reason a more new comic book reader [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► but she's back for more complicated [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► action [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► it's a lien sims welcome back to the [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► comic book club hi i need to catch [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► phrase fruit any did need to workshop [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► that later you hear hello nerds sweeping [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► the nation so I've heard that but I I [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► feel like that's already a strong brand [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► association is probably does this trip [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► I'm very litigious he's got the backing [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► of the future Batman behind him too so [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► you gotta be careful there who yeah yeah [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► and also joining us Sheamus others hello [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► Lefty keys [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► welcome back to the comic book club [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► uh was not long ago and actually well as [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► the as the recordings go was very long [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► ago that we were we were talking about [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► miss marvel but that episode didn't post [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► too long ago so it seems to the [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► listeners like we were just here like a [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► month ago [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the boys are back so this image comics [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► the wicked in the divine this is a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► really interesting series wikipedia [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► tells me it's largely influenced by pop [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► music okay good thanks Wikipedia [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► an ancient religions it well done that's [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► it right so the idea here is that is [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► that there are these gods who are [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► reincarnated and they live for a couple [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► of years and then they die and then go [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► away for 90 years in it and it uh it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► repeats and so we are introduced to some [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► but not all at first of the 12 people in [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► the pantheon of reincarnated gods and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► then there's a there's a we learn about [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► the system the they call the the [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► what-is-it the the recurrence where they [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► live and then they die they discover who [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► they are sort of as teenagers or [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► thereabouts-- thinking they're normal [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► people up until then and then there's [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► sort of picked and added to the the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► Pantheon and then they live for a couple [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► of years and then they die they're told [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► what is that they will some will love [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you someone hate you you'll be dead [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► within two years and I and and so thats [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► pleasure [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► that's part of the story and you get [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that upfront and then there's also a [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► kind of motivating plot thread that [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► begins with some some deaths of people [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► and people being framed potentially for [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► murder [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► so there's a mystery at its heart which [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► actually remind reminded me a little bit [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► of watchmen a little bit in that there's [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► there's a rich world but there's also [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► kind of a motivating did detective plot [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► essentially at the center of it which i [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► think is kind of interesting before we [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► get into the plot though and blow the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► spoiler horn I wanted to see if any of [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you had some some kind of a big thoughts [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► about what what this what this this [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► story is and and what makes it [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► I will be honest and say up front that [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► one of the things that sort of kept me [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► going [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► reading this was actually looking at the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► pretty pretty art and usually it's the [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► other way for me usually it's the story [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► that grabs me and sometimes the arts [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► great and sometimes I sort of grit my [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► teeth because I'm not enjoying the art [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► but keep going because the story and [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► this time it was a bit the opposite i [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► felt like i was having to juggle a whole [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► lot of characters all of a sudden but [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► they were very pretty to look at so I [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► kept reading agree with that and it's [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► gorgeous i read it on my iPad so I [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► didn't have to deal with like pesky paid [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► wines in the way and and it's just like [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► I found myself just stopping and staring [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► at some of some of the the pages like [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the full pages because they were just [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► gorgeous and so artfully done like I'm [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► one of the earlier pages is kind of our [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► our main character in an audience [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► i'm in a performer onstage and trying [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► not to be spoilery hand and just the way [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► that they Illustrated that like you [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► could see like you could see her but it [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► wasn't like they put a spotlight on her [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► and it was just beautiful beautiful art [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► I had to read it a couple of times [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► because i was really confused i had and [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► as with most things with the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► incomparable I just kind of dive and I'm [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► like yeah I'll do that and they came to [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► dive in and do it and I don't have any [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► expectations going in so I I didn't know [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► what the pretext was they didn't know [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► hey I had no knowledge and so it's like [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► I have no idea what's happening and so I [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► don't know if you're one of those [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► readers and you're like this is really i [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► have no clue go through and read it [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► again because it's worth it a second and [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► third time and and there's a little bit [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► at the end so i bought mine on [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► comixology and so they have kind of that [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that back material and they included [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► kind of their promotional materials [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► which which I could have used at the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► front of the book and think I would have [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► been on board faster so if you've got [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► like the first volume and go read the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► back of the book in circle around again [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► because I found that really helpful [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► after I found it [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► yeah similarly i actually went hunting [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► online this afternoon and evening [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► looking for annotations like no like [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► mice and men experience was I love [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► Sandman but once i found annotations [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► that explain the things i didn't get I [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► loved it even more [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► yeah so we're looking unfortunately [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► there's not no unified nobody's doing [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like a really thrown unified annotation [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► jetta found a couple of tumblers that [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► have done some of the issues and that [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► helped because especially references to [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the London geography this is set in [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► England there were some things that I [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► didn't pick up on just because I've [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► never been there yet [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► I was I was I was looking for that too i [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► remember reading Alan Moore's League of [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► Extraordinary Gentlemen and there's this [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► website [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► has like the undressing yes like panel [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► by panel level like autopsy of what's in [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► there and I was looking for that for [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► there's also one for jet for Kingdom [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► Come that is meticulous panel by panel [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► yeah this is gonna watch I 12 you and me [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► from hell that that demands the [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► annotations practically and I have to [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► admit like Shannon like the first their [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► first time I read through this i bought [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► the trade the paper trades because I i [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► do like being able to stick my thumb at [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► like one part of the book and foot [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► forward and flip backwards which is what [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► i found myself doing a lot with the [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► title pages that have that the title [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► pages have like the little love you know [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► the circles and circles that resembles [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► my little circles up and I found myself [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► flipping back and forth to figure out [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► okay this is what symbol is this what's [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► I'm trying to match up with characters [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► and anyway my mother and I pulled out my [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► phone and began googling for annotations [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► and Tumblr posts and things like that [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► because it's so it's so deep that way [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► on my second read through I i was [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► reading picture the graphic the trades [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► and I had my phone with Wikipedia open [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► to look up like all the good God names [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► because I was like there's clearly stuff [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► in here that maybe I'm supposed to get [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► that like where these characters in are [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► getting and I am NOT getting and i'm so [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► glad you brought up Sandman too because [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► it was like that like the first time you [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► read Sandman you can read it by itself [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► like this is pretty cool and then you go [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► back and you read it with annotations or [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► with knowledge of all the characters [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► he's bringing in the mythology that he's [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► begun to reference even casually and [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► throw away and I like what stance and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► men like oh my god the depth and the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► thought that went into that and this has [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► a really similar field because as it as [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► you're going through the beautiful [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► beautiful art to see you know the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► character they've chosen to make look [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► like Rihanna Rihanna the one that [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► they've chosen to make a David Bowie [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► prestige the one they've chosen as a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► Tory a MOS knock off you know and and [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you figure okay this all the baggage [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► that those pop stars bring into it and [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► then you combine it with the daddies are [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► supposed to represent and it's just so [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► smart and uh huh yeah that's a good word [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► now to be there [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► I think they give us just enough in the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► story without annotations I mean you get [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► just enough to at least you can sort of [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► place what's going on and they try to [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► make the connections for you as far as [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► like you know certain deities [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► representing certain concepts that are [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► important to the mystery for example but [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► yeah if we have you read it through the [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► first time and then go back the second [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► time with some kind of support some kind [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► of research it really it really does [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► make it a lot better this book series [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► also strikes me as sort of the other [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► side of the coin to the other series [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that mckelvey and and killing have done [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► which is phonogram and the premise [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► behind that series is that there are a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► group of formerly young people and [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► brands a formal young people because [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► they were young during the Britpop [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► explosion of the nineties and during [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► that period they discovered that they [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► were photo mancers I people who could [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► use magic if they tapped into music in a [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► very specific way and there's and the [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► phonogram talks about music as a way of [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► channeling the divine in changing [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► reality and this series is about fandom [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► as a way of being changed by the divine [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► and then going out and changing reality [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► around you and I thought okay there [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► there minding the same time attic [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► territory they're just coming out from a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► completely different angle and so it's [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► kind of enjoyable to read the series [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► back to back to to take a look at the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► different approaches and see what's the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► same which is that the creators of this [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► unshakable conviction that music is is [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► really a force above and beyond [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► it may be created or channel by humans [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► but they seem to regard music is [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► something that like exists its own [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► separate almost magical entity and then [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► they take the reactions that people have [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► to music very very seriously like they [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► really get the idea of what it means to [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► lose yourself in a creative work and to [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► find yourself in the process of losing [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► yourself and and I really enjoy that [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► about this both this book and phonogram [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► let's take a brief break to talk about [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► something that's not in the pantheon [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► although maybe it's in my personal [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► pantheon because I sleep on it every [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► night it's casper mattresses yes you [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► guessed it [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► casper mattresses are obsessively [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► engineered american-made mattresses [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► they're available shockingly fair price [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► and now you can get fifty dollars off [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► any mattress purchase by going to Casper [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► calm / smell and using code smell that [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► check out we all spend about a third of [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► our lives sleeping some a little bit [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► less some little bit more but really you [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► would go insane if you didn't sleep so [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► let's make sure you sleep on a good [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► mattress so that you feel refreshed and [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► active in the morning [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► Casper has two different technologies [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that they put together for better nights [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► and brighter days there's a latex foam [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and memory foam latex foam gives it a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► really pleasant feeling on the top and a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► memory foam you've got support [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► underneath they call it just the right [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► thing just the right balance my old bed [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► felt like a trampoline I'd sit on a [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► macat would be ejected from the other [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► side of the bed this new bed it is [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► really nice i've been using it for more [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► than a year [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it's a Casper mattress and it is really [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► they've got a risk-free trial and return [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► policy so if you don't like it I can't [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► imagine that but if you don't like it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you basically say hey Casper take this [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► away and they give you your money back [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► and you can do that not just for a week [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► or a month but for up to a hundred days [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► and it comes to you in a box it's [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► delivered straight to your door from [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► from I think it's ups doesn't really [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► matter a partial service delivery person [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► will bring it to your door you open it [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► up it expands to its full size and if [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you don't like it you can send it back [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► they will take it away at a store you [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► might lay down for a minute or two and a [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► salesperson will come over and say [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► here's a sucker [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► I mean hello sir how can I help you and [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► and/or hello ma'am how can I help you [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► and regardless you are laying there [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► thinking is this comfortable i have no [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► can I lay here for eight hours no well [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I'll give it a try it's not fun [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► what I'm saying is I hate going to [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► mattress stores the Casper you get to [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► sleep on it literally sleep on it five [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► hundred dollars for a twin up to 9 50 [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► for a king compared to industry averages [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that's actually an outstanding price [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► point and you can get fifty dollars [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► toward any mattress purchase by going to [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► Casper calm / smell and using code smell [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► at checkout terms and conditions apply [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► thank you to catch her for sponsoring [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► being comfortable [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► well there's a lot here we should [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► probably blow the spoiler horn and get [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► into it in more detail gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► we're going to do that right now [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► spoiler horn probably a reference in [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► some way to David Bowie because it isn't [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► isn't everything Lucifer is definitely [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► the thin white duke David Bowie and I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► read after David Bowie died i read an [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► interview where they said that they at [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► one point considered having all 12 [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► members of the Pantheon be different [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► aspects of David Bowie because they said [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► they could totally have done it [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► wow it's they went another way but [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► Lucifer is definitely David Bowie so so [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► yeah this is funny that you mentioned [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► the annotations and all that because [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► this is this is the first book in a [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► while where I felt like I was reminded [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► of when i read read watchmen and I know [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► that that is it's almost tired to have [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► that be a touchdown but that was the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► first time I really read a comic and [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► felt like I need to take notes and I [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► wanted footnotes and I I knew that there [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► were so many layers and that also I i [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► was intrigued by the fact that there was [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► a and continue telling there was a plot [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► that was going to drag me through the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► story and it might not even be the point [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► of the story as much as it is and so [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► much work of fiction as the you know if [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► the thing to drag drag me through from [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the beginning to the end and so in this [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► case ya in this case we get the the [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► death of the the judge when Lucifer [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► snaps fingers and she's blame for it and [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► says she didn't do it and it's a godly [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► act so some other one of the gods must [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► have done it and she's put in jail and [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it it leads to it at a chain of [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► unfortunate events and creates this [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► mystery i'm and and also there's a [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► mystery of who the rest of the members [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► of the Pantheon are some of them died [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► some of them haven't yet been revealed [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► and so there's that mystery happening to [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► my even like that there's like the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► little mysteries about like we know that [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► this is this this member of the Pantheon [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► is this God but which version of that [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► God is right ball followed the question [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► which ball ball which one are you and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► he's like i identify with this one [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► enough that wide [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► maybe Bob who is sort of Kanye West's [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► kind of as a path to say except except [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► for David Bowie all the other pop music [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► references are completely lost on me [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► well well this Prince there's the one [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► who looks exactly like prince who is [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► yeah highness [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► yeah okay yeah we um the wooden [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► character is sort of the doctor okay [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► yeah he's one of the Deaf bugs and I've [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► read that the Emirati was actually sort [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► of lawrence somewhere between florence [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► welch and Stevie Nicks [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► oh so you have a good point there I i [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► had identified her as a Tori Amos sort [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► of character because of the great hair [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the long red hair and the the abandoned [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► with what she finds herself around on [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► stage but I think Stevie Nicks is [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► another although personally I feel like [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► Stevie Nicks should be out of the [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► Pantheon because she's a law unto [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► herself [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► ok but yeah but ok there were 31 more [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the rave dude the one who has my list [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► yes Dionysus who has been alone inside [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► his head for is emo be lets say yes [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► thanks hehe look very young mobile yeah [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► yeah that's looking at school care using [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► up one of the joys and this is is is [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► seeing these gods put in in these are [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► putting putting a modern context and [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► also the idea that if you had gods in [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► the modern world they would be stars [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► like literally there's a convention [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► celebrating you and everything that [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► they're stars the fandemonium that the [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► fancy on right in San involved to that [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► and so that's so great that you get this [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► idea that if God's God's in a modern [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► context for rock stars so i guess the [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► reverse would be true that we treat rock [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► stars like gods but here it's literally [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the gods are wrong stars enjoy that the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► Norns our golf like they're even work [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► often the Morrigan yes yes with ragnarok [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► roc a because it's a rock concert you [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► see huh [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► it's it's such it's such a pretty booked [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► like you said it reminds me almost of [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► the needle paintings of the nineteen [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► eighties and one of those on the cup and [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► why does it was a cover for for real [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► which was one of the first albums i [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► bought with my own money so i have that [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► inextricable music artists och [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► it's so smart um I love the the multiple [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► mysteries that are unfolding around it [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► I i wish that they would kind of explain [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► more about the mechanisms of fandom like [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► how do these kids keep finding these [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► music happenings are you know is it [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► through text is it through through [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► bulletin boards it through word-of-mouth [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► like there's like an undercurrent of [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► social media technology happening but [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► it's not really as much to the forefront [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► as it could be [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► yeah and that's that's a good point so [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► what do we think about the SR main [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► character is not one of the is not one [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► of the gods or is she [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► and it is is Laura she's she's a fan of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► the Pantheon and she becomes kind of [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► swept up in the inner workings of the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► Pantheon she kinda guessed she used to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► be like a b-list celebrity in the yeah [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► she's sort of like Kim Kardashian in the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► paris hilton day yeah yeah yeah so she [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► she gets swept up into this and [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► befriends Lucifer which is important [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► because then when when Lucy is accused [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► of blowing up the the judges head and [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► all of that she becomes a key witness [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► essentially 22 Lucifer's escape and then [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► there's the suggestion that Lucifer sort [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► of left something behind for her after [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► we did we didn't mention there's uh what [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► is a non k who is the who is sort of [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► like the old she liked the Krone who is [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► also like the controller of [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► and-and-and-and-and watcher for the [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► college thing into being right she calls [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► them into being and then the way this [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► series begins in the very first few [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► panels of the very first issue use it [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► well actually the very first time for a [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► few first issue but like right beginning [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► there's that the whole scene where the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► incarnations from the 1920s the Jazz Age [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► yeah which is another moment of cultural [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► people were there are there's this table [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► there are eight schools one of which is [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► in a dreadful state which is just a very [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► violent data [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► yeah and then there are four of them [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► left and i found myself trying to figure [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► out like who was who because we know [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► that one of them was I'm they even give [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you a circle for the the [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► with different icons then we get in the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► modern yawns like we know one of them is [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► Minerva just because the ike the out [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► like on a similar and one of them is [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► Susanoo who is you know Japanese God who [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► by the way was also featured in Sandman [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► but like we don't get we don't get the [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► neat one-to-one match up and I found [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► myself wondering why these for how did [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► she get them in one place and how does [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► she manage to coerce them into killing [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► themselves and so when you start with [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► something like that and then you move to [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► end these are pop stars with built-in [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► expiration dates it gets like I love a [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► good mr. like that because i just wanna [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► find out why [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► like how does she accept this whole what [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► why do they agree to this what happens [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► if a God fights back do you ever find [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► out right because when we see the gods [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► from the twenties the last thing they do [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► is the three surviving member snap their [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► fingers in their building there in blows [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► up so the implication there is that [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► their wings you're not going to live [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► past two years the the you could read [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► that as being you know they will expire [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► naturally or something but that's not [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► what we see we see them a lot of them [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► are already dead and then the last three [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► basically blow themselves up [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► yeah for that was for that was more than [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► 12 tonight for ya [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► what 21 to 34 so that you've got the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► fourth they've got the 44 beat authority [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► starting with sort of procedures rock [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► and roll when you think about it you [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► know Dionysus Israel later [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► yeah and I don't know how accurate this [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► is this was on wikia some peeps and [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► somebody started constructing wicked in [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► divine annotations there they identified [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► the african-american in the twenties as [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► another ball and then the white-faced [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► girl with the mask is another otsuka the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► makeup is a bit similar so we're Lord so [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► we're looking at because the demand [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► Susanoo based on the a light so parents [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► apparently your summer reruns and then [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► there's sometimes no one's get in the [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► mix and so yes that the the flapper is [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► Minerva and it's worth noting that in [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► this incarnation this Minerva is dressed [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► like one of the Beatles and she's like [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► 12 years old also worth mentioning is [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► that Lucifer which is not Lucifer was [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► actually and eleanor rigby yeah yeah [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► because her parents were major beatles [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► fans [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah they're they're so I mean I i [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► mentioned an Aikido is too [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► say that in the end I what happens is [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that Laura is left with this sort of [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► like trace of Lucifer and wants to know [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► what happened to Lucifer because a [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► non-key catches up with her after she's [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► broken out of jail [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► and-and-and-and blows her head off and [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► so the mystery suddenly transforms into [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► not who set up Lucifer but really like [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► who like setup Lucifer and led to her [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► death and then that since Laura on this [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► kind of interesting journey it's it's [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► like a I don't know how to describe it i [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► think there's a word for it in fiction [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► but it is she's taking a journey it's a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► little bit like it's a little bit like [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► almost like the odyssey or something [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like candied where she is she's kind of [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► traveling through the circles of these [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► bizarre things that are happening [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► culturally around all these different [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► gods as she is trying to gather [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► information about what's going on which [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► i think is a really cool way to [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► introduce us because we're throwing in [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► without much of a map and then and then [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► she does lead us through she gets in [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► this very special position where she [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► gets access than a normal person [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► wouldn't and then starts to learn about [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► what the is going on with the Pantheon [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► and what's interesting about the whole [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► access thing is she also has a frenemy i [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► guess you'd say Cassandra who's the jerk [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► who's the journalist the skeptical [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► journalist names who's sort of angry [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► about the access that fans get compared [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► to journalists and has a real chip on [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► her shoulder until Medicaid decides to [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► 20 your oh you're a loser and earlier or [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► murder because I i know the D is [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► actually brown stuff from Wales English [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► anyway she's one of the Norns and her to [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► cameraman get turned camera ladies get [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► turned into the other Norns and part of [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► me is wondering if comic con que can [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► strategically deploy and defended [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► deployed divinity where it suits her [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► long her her long-term needs [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► yeah that's kind of opened a question I [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► think I don't know if later episode [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► later issues will clarify that because [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► on the one hand it does feel like she's [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► you know able to sort of pick and choose [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► we have the bit where Mary Marion [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► becomes the more again and then is like [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► an Cameron come can Cameron come to and [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► this bathroom it but on the other hand [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► what she says to Cassandra sort of [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► implies that she's got to like sort of [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► hunt and discover them right [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► mm what I'm wondering about is if these [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► divinities come through or she's like [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► okay you have a combination of traits [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► that that can-can are our divinity [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► compatible and here you go because the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► event that ends the second book and I [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► realize we've done the spoiler horn but [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► the event that is the second book with [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► first she I'm so here you are in she [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► basically indulges in a wish fulfillment [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► exercise and then a murder and I thought [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► to myself did you do that to disarm this [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► person or this divinity on it [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► her actions are very opaque and very [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► strategic [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► yeah it puts a lot of especially because [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► she's kind of one of the like sources [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► for a lot of like the rules of the world [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► yeah and then those actions in that last [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► issue it's like well how much of what we [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► were told you I still a hundred percent [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► right believe right yeah i mentioned [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► this on when i mentioned i was reading [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► this in our last comic book club that I [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► feel like the ending of of the second [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► trade is a brilliant cliffhanger because [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► in those last few pages what happens the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► entire premise is called into question [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► about how that happens you did this this [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► character who have been sort of [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► introduced to suggest you know she's [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► kind of creepy but she sort of like has [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► a lot of knowledge she drops enough [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► knowledge for you to make you question [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► exactly what her role is here and your [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► main character is who we've established [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► is not actually one of the Pantheon is [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► told [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► oh no you actually are the 13th member [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► of the Pantheon and then is murdered so [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► you've lost use the main character the [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► entire premises questioned and that's [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the end of the second trade it's a it's [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► shot great ending but it's certainly a [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► great cliffhanger [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► I also son is really slice of version of [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► the Mary Sue trope as it were because [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you have a fan who is so involved and [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► yeah this world is such wish fulfillment [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► and then when they finally do get to [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► become the minute they remember their [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► fandom boom they're killed by the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► creator and I was funny because [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► chip-chip warned me he actually read [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► this before I did [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► and he had it on his iPad and is not [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► shining ipad pro and he told me before i [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► started reading okay you cannot go [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► george RR martin on this and throw the [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► ipad against the wall when Josh don't [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► know you've been and to be frank I [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► didn't feel like doing that i have [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► speculations since the chosen goddess [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► identity for laura is Persephone and 470 [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► sort of has a cycle thing going on so [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► you know I I didn't immediately feel the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► same way as I did with Martin when it [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► actually didn't have to deal with Martin [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► killing off characters even though i [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► love how he will do that kind of thing [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► it was because the second shoe that the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► first she was like in the first pages of [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► the first book and it took three books [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► to get to the second shoe and that's too [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► long but that's totally off topic [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► sorry mo but yeah but I was not as upset [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► as chip expected me to be reading that [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and there are things that I really like [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and things that are important to me [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► seemed to be important to you know the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► team like a like I'm glad I mean I would [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► have been kinda cool to see all of the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► Gods is different iterations of bowie [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► but I'm glad that they went another way [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► and that they've got you know different [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► genders and different races and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► different you know they've got a a gay [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► character there's a transgender [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► character like and it's not a big deal [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like when Cassandra is revealed to be [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► trans it's just like and you know Lucy's [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► like oh I said this thing to hurt you [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and she's like it did and that's like [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► it's not about my god and I really [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► really loved that [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► yeah that's a real big strength to the [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► books in my opinion and my trans friends [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► love it and i absolutely love it so it's [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► not and I feel confident and like okay [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► this is representation done right and so [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► that can do it gives me more motivation [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► to continue reading to you know it's um [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► I i think it's hot it's a hard read i [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► would six against for somebody for [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► somebody i was thinking about you while [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► I was reading it because because moline [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► because as a relatively new comics [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► reader it is dense it is that's why I [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► kept coming back to watch men is it was [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► the same thing where I feel like every [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► time I read it i'm noticing something [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► different and that's definitely how it [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► was the first [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► billion times i read watchmen where [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► there's what's the other the words on [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► the page and then there's the art and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► then there's the things that are [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► embedded in the art and they actually [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► mean something they're not just there to [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► make a pretty background they are things [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► that will take you to interesting [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► shadings of meaning of the story if you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► were looking at them so it really it [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► survives multiple readings and in fact [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► almost demands multiple readings and but [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► if that does make it dents and it isn't [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it isn't very welcoming [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► i would say you suit sort of have to go [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► with it and hope hope to catch up later [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► and admitting that I think it attaches [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► to the plot to where Laura until she [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► kind of falls all the way in and get at [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► and you get your bearings a little bit [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► which of course is swept away from you [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► at the end of volume to it you know you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► are you are lost in the world because [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► she doesn't have enough information and [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► she's really are members into our [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► representative in this world so it's a [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► tough night I mean it's it is [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► challenging and dense you know in a way [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that I'm not a lot of comics that ivory [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► actually I feel like I hadn't been kind [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► of challenge this way by a comment on a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► long time I was kind of having a [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► reminders of when I used to reach a ton [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► of vertigo stuff and it really helped [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► like that but matically and density [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I you know one of my favorite comics is [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► a hundred bullets and every time a new [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► volume would come out i would reread all [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► the previous volume again in preparation [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► for reading it so like I've read volume [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► one of a hundred bullets more than 13 [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► times because they're 13 right and like [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► that's a comic I love it's not a comic I [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► recommend to a lot of people because i [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► don't think it has broad appeal but it's [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► a super-dense um but I mean it's nice to [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► be challenged by but it was also like [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► this is this is an unfamiliar feeling [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► like I don't know if I dislike this but [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► this is you know this isn't something [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► comics have really pushed on me in a [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► while you're right that this is a very [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► vertical feeling read though because it [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► is it celebrates it celebrates the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► culture that is not necessarily [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► mainstream and that culture has its own [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► rules and its own rewards and it makes [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► the argument that people who are called [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► people who choose that culture are still [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► inherently worthy of you no interest in [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► love and respect and all those other [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► things as well they're not just people [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► who look weird have strange interest [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► really like and like I mean in some ways [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► it's it like there's some stuff like [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► going back likes that's in that Sandman [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► didn't stories that was kind of like [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► revolutionary this time that feels like [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► you know some of it is great and it [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► doesn't still holds up and some of it is [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► like kind of very dated in terms of like [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► the society in terms of when it was [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► written so it's nice to see something [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► you know that's that's taking on some of [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► those those attitudes that you know in a [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► more modern way right and my style for [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► reading comic books because I'm a I'm a [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► reader first and foremost rate is I go [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► through and I read the words and then I [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► go through a second time and I i read [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the words and look at the art and I'm [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► not a very patient reader just so i [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► think that was i I actually don't know [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► how much the art helps in like the the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► conceptual things and as you're going [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► along but and it's I mean it does [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► definitely add depth to the story and [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► but yeah i was i was confused a lot that [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► yes i have really make their points when [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► I was confused and had to reread a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► couple of pages [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah and i think i'm still confused [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► yeah together certainly things that [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► still need to be answered together and I [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► think you know some of that I think [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you're supposed to be confused some of [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it I don't know but I mean depends on a [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► stick the landing right yeah yeah we [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► should say that they they have said that [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► this is there is a story the this is [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► closed-ended somewhere between 30 and 60 [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► issues you know I think that's not a [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► professional comics professionals [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► admitting that the story can sometimes [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► get away from you a little bit mob or it [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► becomes unprofitable one of those are [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► approaching it with the stress in ski [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► method yeah exactly right we got no [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► wheels will spread our the middle and an [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► end or contracting as nice as we go [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► Oh God releases thinking of the end of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► terrace [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► oh so what people think of the of the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► i'm going to ask about the sex and i'm [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► going to ask about the gore so let's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► start with the gore what what people [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► feel about the heads exploding and the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► neck with without a head on it and on [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► the cover of the last issue of vol.2 too [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► much [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► not part of that part of the story I I [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► thought it was I noticed that it was [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► kind of unflinching and its depiction of [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► people getting stuff blown-up [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► unflinching yes but this this is where I [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► think Mack all these art helps it at [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► least personally for me [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► um I did not think it was nearly as gory [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► as it genuinely was because the art is [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► so clean [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► the art is so smooth it did not it did [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► not bother me as much as it might have [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► say somebody actually filming this or [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► another person style of art might do [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► um so yeah that the gore did not bother [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► me nearly as much as it could have [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► yeah I I kind of agree i we have been [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► watching the clone wars and they're [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► there have been things that have [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► bothered me more in the Clone Wars then [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► like seeing someone's head explode and [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► the panel where the judges had exploded [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► as a little like that yeah I was behind [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► I'm like I maybe could have done without [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► that but it's not a realistic thing so [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► it's my that it's its stylized [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► yeah if it were more like like The [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► Walking Dead sometimes when i read i [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► have trouble looking at some of those [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► panels and unfortunately it's not in [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► color so that helps a lot [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► I had stopped reading the walking dead [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► because of the way they depicted a lot [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► of the stuff we actually yeah I mean [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it'sit's graphic and it's gritty I'm [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► trying to remember now i can't remember [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► the name of the series that's American [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► vampire you been stealing your whining [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► love this story but some of the art I [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► was just like who don't miss the the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► walking dead i would i would say was [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► when it's ugly it's like it when it's [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► was graphic it's ugly and women in the [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► divine is not something I would ever [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► call ugly even when it's wrong laughing [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► it's sort of beautifully graphic but it [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► still can be gross and unpleasant and [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► they're definitely panels in this that I [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► that I find kind of yucky but that [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► doesn't mean that I don't think that [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► they're beautifully rendered in a way [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► that that the walking dead you know it [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► was gross stuff render dug in an ugly [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► way I thought a lot of the time now i [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► should add that to my all-time favorite [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► series [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► are the authority and preacher oh so my [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► so my tolerance for how much gore is [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► acceptable in a comic book me a little [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► maybe a little bit hot wire for the rest [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► of this but um I think in the context of [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► this book the gore is shocking because [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► I'm the art is so beautiful and this is [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► not a particularly gritty world you know [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► I mean even when you're in Subway's it [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► is still like you're focusing on how [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► beautifully composed each panel is and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► how like there's a lot of that there [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► they do a lot of visual imagery that [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► weighs on some very romantic notions of [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► what it's like to be in a train station [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► what it's like to be in a darkened and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► empty public space and so because it's [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► so beautiful and so meticulously [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► composed and so romantic that it's feels [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► jarring when you do see like a headless [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► stuff neck because like oh I don't [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► recall that in any of the millions of [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► rock videos i mean line on MTV or any of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the tumblers I follow or anything like [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► that just like oh you know whereas like [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► if I saw a shot like this authority I'd [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► be like well Frank Quitely is going easy [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► on us this month so that's our what [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► about the what about this sort of like a [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► not just sex but but all of the section [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► hedonism this is about God's and a [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► Pantheon and famously you know I mean we [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► we have Dionysus in here for pete's sake [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► right with their there so I'm curious i [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► really i also want to mention in [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► particular the rave issue which is is [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► all bright colors and laura gets really [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► kind of candy car caught up in it and [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► it's terrifying ultimately but but a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► very interesting in a in a different way [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► there's also a scene that we see very [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► briefly of a of an orgy [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that's being put on by one of the Gods [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► to so i'm just i'm curious what people [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► what people think about how that stuff [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► is portrayed in this if you've got any [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► thoughts about that i partly because I [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► think so early [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► on its kind of established that one of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► the things that these reincarnated gods [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► are doing is having all the sex all the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► time that that it didn't surprise me and [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► therefore I was just I kept reading I [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► don't remember being phased by by it [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► terribly much mean they're teenagers [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► with two years to live there was sex is [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► consensual and I'm a lot less bothered [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► by that I was by the first by one of the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► first few instances of sex is on Sandman [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► for example where it's much more [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► disturbing especially the 24 hours in [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the diner episode issue [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah he's like oh my god yeah [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm you know you know and and [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► sex drugs and rock and roll [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► yeah i mean that that's definitely the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► theme here [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► no I mean I think the thing that bothers [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► me more than anything else if i'm going [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► to read is is the the creeping more to [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► is the fact that you have a god that [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► people are fighting who is a 12 year old [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► child and everybody is is sort of [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► ignoring the fact that she's going to be [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► dead before she's 15 and interrupting [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► her parents are rope making as much [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► money as possible or their hundred [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► dollars you get a personal blessing [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► member yeah it's but I get the the her [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► fellow gods are protective of her [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► yeah i think there's one taking care of [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► his best again [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► yeah and she's aware that's the first [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► thing we hear from her and she's you [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► know in and as they take Laura back to [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► kinda meet some of these gods when [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► Lucy's in jail [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► she's like I'm gonna be dead before you [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know what I'm 14 [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► you don't like the first first [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► introduction we get to her those are [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► some of the first words out of her mouth [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► yeah that's the interesting thing about [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this setup right is that the idea is [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► that there are people but they're also [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► gods and there's that duality there in [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► the cod portion of them with their [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► unclear right whether they're always [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► gods and just are wide awake into it or [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► whether they're there or is this more [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► sinister where they are sort of chosen [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and the God essence is going to pour [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► into them and print them out after two [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► years the gods are immortal and they'll [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► come back in 90 years but those people [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► in this lion are gone and do do they [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► have the ability to steal years from [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► each other do they [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► yeah well the that this is the thing is [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► I'm so [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► guys we haven't seen the phrase human [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► sacrifice put into context yet because [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that's what these children effectively [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► are is they're human sacrifices to this [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► notion that the divinity is supposed to [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► touch everybody around them and that's [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► how the world gets changes people come [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► away from their experience with the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► ground changed it ripples out one of the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► things we're talking about now I promise [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► this is not spoiler but one of the the [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► the things you're talking about with out [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► whether or not these people are like the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► effect of being a god on the person like [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► there's a there's an issue in the third [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► trade that goes into that in [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► excruciating detail and it's a beautiful [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and horrible issue help the same time [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► and like I had to go right I i had to [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► like put down that the book and [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► decompress after reading it but it's [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► like oh my god this is so smart [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► let's hide it so you won't have that to [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► look forward to [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► i guess.i guess well we'll get there i [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► wanted i want to mention i thought it [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► was really interesting but the at the at [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► the convention there is a panel that a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► former girlfriend of Woden is on MH and [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► he walks in and basically tempts her to [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► come back into his circle and is it but [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► she has to admit that everything [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► terrible she's saying about him is a lie [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and then he and then he makes the his [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► little pink suit thing evaporate and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► walks out on her and that publicly yeah [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that's a really important is really [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► interesting characters here we don't see [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► his face hehe implies that he's been [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► horribly horribly scarred and and can't [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► be right upon and he's also the one who [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► is sort of like shamelessly just as [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► building a harem and wants to have sex [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► with as many women as he can before he [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► dies [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► yeah again and plus he doesn't seem to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► be doing much in the way of performing [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► he's like the Builder he's the one that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► anon k comes to when he's helped me he [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► helped do things but he's not like [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► front-and-center the way some of the [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► others are no it's just it's an [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► interesting character and he does not [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► seem like a particularly pleasant person [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► Ellen on any level but he is shiny and [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► you know and then [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► I i mean i think yeah I i think that's [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that's interesting too that he is this [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► very notably interesting-looking [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► character kind of more traditional comic [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► booky looking than anybody else in the [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► pantheon [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► but he's all he's kinda awful staff from [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► he's very easy that daft punk where the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► identity play as part of the mistake [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► that goes with it but he's also don't [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► need submit yeah everybody hates him and [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► fearsome and they're fascinated by him [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► yeah I dr. doom seen some more of a [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► sense of humor about himself than this [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► I suppose that's true it sounds very [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► unpleasant but the horribly scarred and [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► wearing a cool outdoor thing fits when [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► you with that this this this series [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► makes me wish I were more of a music [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► nerd because i have a feeling if I were [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I would be just tripping out over what [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► what the writers are saying about [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► specific musicians with her choosing to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► depict or what God through their [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► choosing to to parent channel with at [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the same time I feel like I'm missing a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► dimension of the book because I'm not [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► big into either [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► well I mean I like music but i'm not a [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► huge music there and I don't have a lot [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► of music insider lure gospel my back [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► pocket and that's the one area where I [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► feel like I'm missing out on a facet of [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► this this experience [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► mm do you think it's intentional that [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► like that that all the fan group seemed [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► I mean not exclusively but are primarily [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► young people I wondered if that was just [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► like Laura's view on things or or some [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► kind of commentary there because that's [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► my big question is like that we now are [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► in a world where the gods come back but [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► like but everybody else is still like [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► going to work and stuff it's just [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► college kids who are like cutting class [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► they bring that out a bit with some the [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► character that one of the likely 200 [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► viously one of the ranking rocks yeah [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► this gentleman you know being all [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► cynical about yeah you kids today are [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► the kids today don't understand or [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► appreciate arm so you've got at least [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► one character voicing that kind of thing [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► and of course we know we've got a few [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► adults that show up whether it's the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► police officers or firemen or the those [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► sort of people you know they're trying [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► to treat these kids as kids and then [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► somebody you know somebody finally tell [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► somebody else look the these these are [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► dangerous [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► these are not within your experience [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► off so you know even even Laura's [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► parents it's like you know they're these [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► like super well-meaning super supportive [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► to the point where she's trying to [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► repeal just to make them mad because [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► they never get mad so yeah that it does [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► seem extremely tightly focused on the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► youth generation and and what adults are [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► there are not very helpful [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► it's like a nun case the most mother [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► figure that prompted that pantheon has [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► because you know every time one of them [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► you want every time she wakes up one of [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► them I missed you [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and then when anyway I love you but [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► you're gonna die no more wire hangers [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► and I'm to know more [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► this is this is for your own goal I i [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► think i was actually thinking fan [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► dynamic something Shannon said there i [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► was reminded and Iago Erica's not here [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I'm gonna bring up doctor who only to [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► say if you've got something like this [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► where you've got people who are not the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► kids of the of the current generation [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► obviously there's going to be a [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► subculture of the Pantheon that is a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► residue of the last appearance they made [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► and although all the people from men [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► have died out there is apparently enough [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► knowledge about this idea you know that [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► cassandra is able to research it that [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► you know people who are just old enough [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► of it right yeah their professors and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► research previous you know the nineteen [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► twenties and earlier so but but when [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► they appear [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► it's like it's not for them it's like [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it's for the current generation and it's [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► a new generation of fans essentially and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► i think i think that is something that [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► is touched on and in this at least a [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► little bit is this idea that there's a [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► schism between like you know yeah it's [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► great that you studied this and all that [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► but these are these are the new ones and [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► this is our this is our pop music that [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► you know this is our fandom we you know [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► we're the ones who are here and that you [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► know your interests in the pantheon but [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► you know you're not part of our group [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► your euro notes that's the perfect [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► metaphor for music I mean every every [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► generation has the music that you know [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► they grew up we know whether it's he [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► knows that you 13 [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► that's their music and later music [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► business good this is a theme they mind [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► and phonogram to is it something and [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► this is like one of the center [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► no promises a phonogram is as you get [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► older your music loses the cultural [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► power and the cultural currency it once [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► had and you know this is why is it this [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► is why I feel like you kind of have to [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► both but both books like either in [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► conjunction with one another or one and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► then the other is because phonogram is [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► also about the magic of music and how [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► it's highly specific to certain [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► generations and certain societal [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► conditions and I like honestly I like it [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► here that its young people because um it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► goes down to people who are you know [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► teens and young adults using music as a [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► way to figure out who they are and to [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► forge their tribal identity and to forge [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► their cultural identity and be able to [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► say yeah this is when i turned into a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► person with my own thoughts and likes [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► and dislikes and this is the soundtrack [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that listen to while i did it and the [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► idea of having a divinity that helps [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► Midwife that process I think that's a [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► really interesting idea and kind of wrap [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► it and kind of radical i look forward to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► seeing you know that thing that I look [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► forward to seeing as I'd love to see an [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► issue where you have somebody who lived [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► out the most of the span their lives [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► between the periods of divinities like [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► do they feel like they've missed out or [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► are they i was just going to say [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► radically different like what is what is [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► their experience a person had like [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► compared to somebody who is going [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► through this in the UK which also raises [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► from another question like why is this [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► phenomenon just isolated to Britain is [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► it because the the Raiders are good i [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► don't think i think they make the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► reference that pops up other places [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► right does yes there's us there was a [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► South American one and this one is what [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► is Skip sometimes that bothered me to [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► that it seemed to be focused so tightly [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► on not just England but London and you [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► know all of these divinities or in [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► London and yeah there was that one brief [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► mention about South America although if [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► i remember correctly that was like that [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► one of the deities participating at some [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► point was from South America was from [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► South American mythology but not [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► necessarily that that that this [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► phenomenon happened there so that's [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► unclear to me and when we meet and the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► one who looks like Prince and bad name's [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Donna and Donna yet so when we meet him [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► and he talks about [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it's good to see you again Laura and [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► she's like oh you remember me from you [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► know a couple months ago a couple weeks [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► ago and he's like no I remember you from [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► a year ago and at the at the conference [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► and she was angry instead of because one [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► of the panelists at this panel she was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► attending was going on about how great [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► like this generation doesn't deserve [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► this and maybe this will be one of the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► times where it skips a generation or [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► maybe it'll be like somewhere else and [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► and they mentioned like other I think [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► China and South America or something [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► so there's there's an allusion to it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► being more and more widespread thing and [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► not necessarily consistent thing either [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► and I don't know what plays into that [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► I'm coming to pass [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► i also don't know how much of this is is [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► is British comics culture in a way cuz [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► you think about like I'm thinking about [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► the authority in the premise that every [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► hundred years of the beginning of the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► century the earth gives birth to [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► quote-unquote century babies who [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► performed the third immunity system with [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► next 100 years and they are the spirits [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► of the technology that will transform [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► culture which is why you have Jenny [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► sparks the beading 20th century and [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► Jenny quantum the beginning 21st and [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► this seems to be something that's pretty [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► not peculiar but I've noticed a lot with [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► British comic writers is they do enjoy [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► cyclical themes and I don't know if it's [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► because you get raised on a diet of [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► Arthurian legends or what but this seems [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► to be part of it to where there's this [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► whole implication that it's cyclical and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► it's a culture and it's paired with [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► cultural upheaval and I don't think he's [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► I again I wonder if nationality plays [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► into this and the reason why is the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► largest is because we're approaching it [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► from a really American perspective where [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► you know the answer has always been one [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► in doubt find a frontier as opposed to [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► if you stay on this island long enough [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► Arthur will come back I've got a million [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► hail from lots of British haha that it [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► while they're going to also tell us but [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► we just completely missed all of the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► important British references that are in [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► that probably we probably did yeah I [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► hope you to one of the Americans they [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► always wanted one of the annotations I [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► saw mentioned how the building that [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► hosts the convention that apparently [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► there's some cable car thing now that [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► you can like right across the Thames and [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► it's not there and the person annotating [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► it was wondering if it was because the [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the Member of Parliament behind it was a [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► really big in a jerk [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► so who knows that's because there are no [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► gods in the actual London and so it's [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► obviously a different world then yeah um [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► anything more about the wicked and the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► divine i'm looking forward to reading [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► vol 3 which I have not read yet because [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► i was saving it until after this podcast [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► so I wouldn't like violate the the end [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► spoil the results in some way so I want [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► is sitting on my iPad ready for me I [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► gave in after least was encouraging that [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► you know after I'm finished second so [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► yes i-i've read the the three volumes [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and i'm probably going to dig up the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► issues that are currently out as [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Singleton's you listen to lisa lisa is a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► nibbler she doesn't think it all started [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► tonight that is what we do [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm really enjoying it i don't [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► know if it's a comic that I would [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► recommend to a lot of people um as much [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► as other comics that I won't show up to [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► two people about so I like it but I [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► don't know if this is one that I'm gonna [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► like be running running around hitting [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► people over the head with it [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► yeah this one it rewards being smart it [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► rewards being knowledgeable and you know [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► not everybody looks at comics for that I [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► thought you're gonna say something about [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► me know what we said about it being [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► dense and looking at footnotes and all [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that is not what i would certainly have [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► I think you've got to be a well I i did [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the interesting what a lien has to say [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► about this and she already touched on a [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► little bit i would recommend this much [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► more to somebody who is a bit more of a [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► veteran comic book reader who is kind of [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► a confident in their ability to dive [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► into something super dense this is the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► other the ramp up on this is a is pretty [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► or somebody is a music nerd and we can [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► take some more references you just [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► really misses vertigo because you're [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► such a dude this is such a vertical book [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► and I think back to all well the [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► this one that I felt like I had to do [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► this much homework on and I mean [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► homework in a good way was the unwritten [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► mi querido yeah yeah yeah yeah and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► that's another one like oh god oh god oh [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► god this makes me feel really bad for [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► for AP testing out of all of my [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► literature requirements in college [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► because I could have used another [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► literature class but if you like to hear [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► us talk about the unwritten by the way [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► you can tune into in comfortable episode [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► number two way back in awhile way that [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► matters to me is that episode about like [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► all of comics was that back when we [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► recover yet so always about it was about [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► the unwritten although i think we [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► descended into discussions of vertigo in [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► general at that point but yeah but it [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► was very specifically the unwritten was [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► what we were reading which is good [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that's a good that's a good comic I I [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► like a lot of my carry stuff only image [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► comics is kind of turning into the [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► vertigo of this decade could be a lean [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► so overall would you as a as I a newer [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► comic reader would you steer people away [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► from with the wicked the divine if they [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► weren't confident in their comic reading [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► skills or what is it ok i don't know [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► honestly i I just I think it depends [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► upon the person I i wish i could say [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► yepper note but i think and i think that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► if it's a person who is patient and [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► willing to go back and read it again and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► mr maybe is better at me than me than [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► looking at the artists they go or [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► whatever then you know definitely go for [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► it and it's definitely not as light as [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► you know getting into marvel comic books [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► where you can just have to dive in and [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► read and not you know like Miss Marple I [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► love miss marvel I don't have to think a [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► whole lot when i read the smartphone but [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► but what you want yeah great unless I [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► want you and you definitely can't and [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► but with this it was it was just like I [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► need to be in the mood for something [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► more and intellectual I don't think [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► that's quite the right word but you know [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► just just need to sit down and think and [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► be able to pay attention it's not [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► something I can do half way and so I [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► think that would be my criteria more [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► than you know whether their veteran [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► reader of comics or not or look inside [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► yourself cereal part of the Pantheon and [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► it's true then continue and and read the [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► weaker than the divine [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► any other final thoughts about about [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► this this comic before we remove i'm [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► going to be a ridiculous geek and say I [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► now have a second favorite letter in [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► comics the first is talk wine and [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► clayton cows is now my second favorite [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► yes he's doing great work yeah the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► different styles here and there he [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► fluctuates between who's speaking and [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► home and Laura's thoughts versus the [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► actual narration and you can always hide [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► it so i noticed i mean i usually don't [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► notice lettering but you know I noticed [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► Todd klein and Sandman and other works [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► he's done yet and I was noticing Clayton [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► cowls and his work all the way through [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► I've actually put down books because I [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► couldn't stand the lettering so I end [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► with you on this I appreciate that i [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► just wanted to talk about the art just a [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► second more because there are so many [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► different not the different styles but [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► that coloring I think rather than the [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► art is what i'm looking more like if you [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► look at one of the first and one of the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► first panels in the second volume is and [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► kind of like a flashback 21 when Lucy [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► dies in the art style and that it's [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► white with like neon colored lines and [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► the art style can on those panels like [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► where the judges again the judges had [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► explodes [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► you know it's it's different and it's [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► and it's a really interesting contrast [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► that I'm not seeing and maybe this is [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the vertigo style that you're talking [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► about but it's a contrast that I'm not [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► seeing in kind of superhero comics that [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► i'm reading or you know again the what [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► black-and-white walking dead you know [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► volumes so I don't know it just never [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► really loved it [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► yeah I think you're right on that yeah [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► the art that they are doing things with [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► art to emphasize what's going on in the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► plot what's going on with the characters [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► like we mentioned with the Dionysus [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► issue of just how everything is so [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► cotton candy pink um during the rave and [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► everything is going on that just um [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► really typifies what's what's happening [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► in the story but something that you made [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► reminded me of there's an issue in the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► second volume and you may be the one [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► you're talking about where they actually [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► deliberately made most of the story by [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► recycling previous panels they actually [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► like went and scavenger hunted [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► through all of those previous things and [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► made almost the entire issue with no [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► brand new art which was really [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► yeah i just i think that it's I think [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► it's great let's uh let's move on and [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► talk about if there are other comics [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► that you have read recently this is a [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► shot in the dark but it usually gets [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► usually Lisa tells us things we have to [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► let's just call this Lisa tells us what [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► to read but if there is what what if [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► there are any other comics are reading i [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► would love to hear about Alisa what-what [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► do what are we reading next [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► what do you tell what do you really [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► liking now ok i just finished unbeatable [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► schoolgirl volumes 1 & 2 & comment and [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► then I read them to my daughter and [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► she's 5 and she now love squirrel girl [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► passionately like sleeps with the sleeps [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► with the the issues under her under her [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► pillow and the reason i would recommend [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► this to both adults and as a family [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► friendly book is because the way the [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► book is structured is you can read to [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► kids and it's just as very cheery [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► positive joyful book about being a young [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► woman who loves being in college and [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► loves being a superhero at the same time [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► and there are all of these really clever [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► extra textural jokes and then these [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► footnotes at the bottom of the page that [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► are just downright hysterical so it's it [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► can be a fast and funny and [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► non-challenging right if that's what [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► you're into or it can be a little bit [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► more of a deep dive if you're like like [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► turned out so loved and read the [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► unbeatable squirrel girl right after I [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► went to see hell Caesar I when I read [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► all three volumes of at brubakers on to [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► our book the fade out which centers on [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► the murder of a Hollywood starlet [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► nineteen fifties the fixer who may [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► actually not be responsible and it [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► crosses over into the impact of the Red [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► Scare on Hollywood and what it's like to [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► be a writer who's living with PTSD in a [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► time when like nobody knew what that was [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► or even identified it its it's nourish [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► and because I'm somebody who likes [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► Raymond Chandler novels a lot i liked it [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► and I thought the fit-out was a really [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► nice total counter [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► point to the common brothers take on the [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► same period in inhale Caesar else that i [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► read recently the third trade paperback [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► for God hates astronauts came home and [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► that is one of the most exuberantly [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► stupid books and comics like it's just [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► dumb it is it is it is ryan braun is [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► like is is a sivaji it is a lot when it [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► comes to doing really unrepentantly [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► stupid hilarious stuff I hadn't come I [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► mean you have you have a king tiger [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► eating a cheeseburger who and who [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► launches invasion against earth using an [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► army of crab people who can be eaten the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► lead character who had his head punched [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► off in like the first trade and merged [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► with the ghost cow is still you know [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► with the ghost cow is still you know [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► fully done with his with his wife who [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► was also super hero [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► it's it's it's a book that makes almost [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► no sense if you haven't been reading it [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► from the first trade and i love it so [TS]