295: A History of Things That Never Happened
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the incomparable Number 295 a 30 2016
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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable i'm jason l we have
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convened a UH a panel at the last moment
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because today yes we received a an
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official teaser trailer for a new star
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wars movie and the public demanded that
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we talked about it we've got lots of
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other episodes about lots of other
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subjects in the incomparable wings
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getting ready for their close-up but no
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in this episode we're going to talk
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about a trailer for Star Wars road one
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sorry robo-one a Star Wars story
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joining me to talk about this trailer
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possibly frame-by-frame who knows our
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John siracusa hello
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there's not that many frames so Irene I
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feel like we have to address each one in
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turn sure and we will do so
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yes and a more'n hello
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coming in coming to us live from another
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so the last one we did the trailer
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analysis of the I think the second
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teaser of the force awakens dan was on
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the west coast traveling and he is that
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again and I mean I'm on a mission
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I can't talk about it and serenity
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called was coming back from from a
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roller derby practice and cult from the
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car while we're trying to reach her in
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the car but we have been unsuccessful as
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of yet so we're going to go ahead
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perhaps you will join us later perhaps
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you want but uh so road one star wars
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story we got we got some we got some
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stuff here any any opening statements in
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the opening slots about this this is a
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this is we gotta go we gotta go whole
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hog here right this is the first first
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thing since what the Ewok adventure of
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the star wars holiday special this is a
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the the animated star wars clone wars
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movie this is this feels like they're
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putting all those aside this is the
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first like real star wars movie that is
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not in the Star Wars saga
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yeah i agree with that it's also the
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first stand-alone star wars movie really
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i mean you can kind of count you know
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and you open that because you know there
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was unclear whether or not they're going
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to be more movies when they first made
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it but at the same time it was also
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always kind of designed to be
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an episode in a larger story where is
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this I gotta feel like you know aside
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from maybe overlapping sets and like
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settings and stuff like that i don't
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think we're going to see anything of
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these characters again probably write
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like this seems like a pretty
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self-contained story I shouldn't get my
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hopes up the road to an drug three
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well I mean eventually we've got a real
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we've got road to is his wedge think I
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used all those titles for the video
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games already but we got a veritable
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rogues gallery John yeah we had a
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squadron who knows how many roads we can
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get here and disable to this is actually
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rouge one I feel like the pressure is
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I off everybody like for this movie its
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affiliates off of the people making the
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movie because I mean I guess a little
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bit of pressure is like like you said
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Dan like that that oh I may I have to be
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the first one to make a movie that's not
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one of the Star Wars movies as in this
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big long continuing story that's been
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going on for all our lives on the other
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hand I like we said I think we
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originally talked about the disney deal
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if you make a couple of these and
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they're so so or are greater than a
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couple of sinkers because they are
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standalone and because they're not part
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of the saga like that's what we want you
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want to see people stretching out and
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doing interesting new things so I was
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much more relaxed about this like they
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did the publicity shot i forgot this
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trailer is even coming out until a
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couple days before and some just like
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you know i don't i don't feel like the
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weight of the world on my shoulders like
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with the force awakens like all please
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please don't mess this up please
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this is just like I'm I'm ready to be
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pleasantly surprised and I don't have a
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lot of like trepidation going in now is
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how much of that is because of the force
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awakens and how much of that is just
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because it isn't connected to the over
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all sort of Star Wars story
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it helps that the force awakens shows
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that the people who now on the franchise
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know what that they're doing that really
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really does help but I i still think
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just having them be independent and this
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way like I'm excited about the the
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possibility of variety because the saga
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the soggy is what the saga is you know
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the whole epic story of Star Wars but
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it's constraining in a way to and so I
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just I just like to think about all the
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different kinds of stories they can tell
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with a star wars sighs budget
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hoping that the tentpole movies will
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keep people interested in the franchise
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enough that even if they do a weird one
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this doesn't look weird wonder if they
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do a weird one that people will go to it
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because like I just saw the you know
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episode 8 last year and it was awesome
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and they're doing on the movie and it
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has a star wars Brandon let's go for it
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i don't know what happens at 49 but for
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now i'm i'm excited about the
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possibilities well I mean there's also
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the the element of like sort of the
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premise one of the things that we've
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always loved about this is a franchise
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is that it's supposed to be this vast
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universe and yet we've only really seen
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little tiny slices of it over the course
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of you know seven movies now and so the
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fact that we have all these other realms
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to experiment in and explorer is like
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well you know those were always there in
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some way but we never really got a
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chance because we were so focused on
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this one main plot thread which
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certainly had galactic complications but
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at the same time like what about all
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those other people that are there are
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billions upon billions of other people
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in this in this galaxy right like some
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of them surely have interesting stories
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to tell in a manger leave with our
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characters or not but you know I think
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one of the things that true people are
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lots of the Expanded Universe to during
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the era where there were no official
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Star Wars movies was exploring all these
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other different aspects of the galaxy
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yeah they're not straying too far to
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begin with but this one obviously is
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we're all about the death star and right
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before a new hope you know this is kind
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of tied in but and I I think that's fine
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especially like you know you start from
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the heart of this organ and branch out
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but the nice thing about having like you
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surely there are other stories you know
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we saw you see the big story but other
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stories that the other stories aren't
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even necessarily less important like
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it's the type of thing where I yeah we
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were following are our heroes in our
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main characters a but if you had
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followed any small group of people you
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would have seen that their victories and
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defeats were you know that part of the
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the same struggle so in this movie the
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whole thing is you're getting the plans
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for the death star whatever if they
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hadn't gotten those plans no new hope no
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whole saga like every piece of it has to
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fit together you know and who's to say
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what's more important lesson for was it
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more important that Luke you know did
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the trench run no transform without
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these plans were
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it is not because Luke is not in this
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movie is a movie less important and so
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that's that's just concentrating you
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know still around the saga but as you
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branch out word any movies like within
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the universe it's the most important
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thing that happens in the lives of the
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people you see in the movie for the most
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part and that can make a compelling
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movie even if you know the entire galaxy
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is not a stake in this entire galaxy
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actually happens to be a steak but i
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think it's fine to have movies where
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it's not the whole galaxy isn't it steak
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but it's a smaller scale type of thing
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well it's interesting to you bring that
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up because because this is so closely
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linked with the stories that we already
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know and love so much
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you know one might argue well some of
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the suspense is gone we know the Death
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Star plans are eventually acquired right
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like that that is the thing that
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otherwise like he said those rest of
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those movies would not have happened but
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it seems like they're drawing a
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compelling enough story about these
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characters that we haven't met and about
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you know the things that we haven't seen
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to draw Sen so that there are still some
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interesting aspects to that story like
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we know what the maybe central thrust of
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this is but we don't necessarily know
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all the details or who the players are
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you know and that's that's something I i
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think it's especially interesting to
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tread on this territory that has been
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covered in the expanded universe and
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clearly to throw out a bunch of that
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stuff which is you know as we all knew
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going in when the disney acquisition
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happened like you know the EU is not
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long for this world and so presenting
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that as sort of like you know they've
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converted that into legends and it's
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like well they may acknowledge or borrow
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some stuff from it but they may also
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just equally decided to toss everything
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you know
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so being able to say like I well you
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know there are many legends or stories
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about how the Death Star plans were
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acquired here sort of the canonical
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version i think is kind of a cool thing
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that you can do now is like you you
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don't have to necessarily wipe those
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things out yes there's only one way it
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really happened but because this galaxy
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is so large you know I think especially
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when you look at force awakens and
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really realize the scope of you know
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these people did not know Jedi exist
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because you know for the last half a
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century there's only been one sort of
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half Jedi and it was a thing that
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probably did not cross paths with any of
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them in their entire life so of course
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it's more like a myth
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so you know having this sort of
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mythological structure in place where
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you can say like others
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these stories about things that have
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happened before you know I think gives
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them a lot of freedom that that you
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don't necessarily get a lot of other
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frameworks we've been talking about this
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as a as a standalone movie which is
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interesting because it's not it's not
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quite that right it it's it's a
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standalone movie in the sense that the
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vet it's a a going to tell a story and
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then at the end of the story will be
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over but it is not a standalone movie in
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the sense that it is taking place inside
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of or in parallel with or slightly
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before the original Star Wars so I'm
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curious what you guys think about that
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the idea of going back and I don't
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things that they could do with and when
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who is a character in star wars so so
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they are going back and playing with
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planet with characters you've never
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that the idea of going back and telling
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stories inside these you know famous
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influential stories from the original
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thing or is it just a different feel
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like the way you can get away with that
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though I just like who's to say what's
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more important here
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one thing you can say in terms of like
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political rank or organizational
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structure is the princess leia is near
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the top of the rebellion right even in
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star wars in a very important person
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like if you draw a big org chart of the
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various factions here and there's a
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bottom of that org chart to and what it
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imagine everybody in this movie going
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of the leaf nodes and sort of middle
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management layer and having their
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mission and never having to have any
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real interaction with
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the top of the rebellion saying you know
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we're gonna need some plans for this
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thing that they're doing or whatever
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as in you know you are our hero here
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does not look to be in charge of a huge
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swath of the rebellion
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she's just you know a single lone person
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who is recruited into this this you know
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effort right so I feel like you can have
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an entire movie about adventures
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connected to or in parallel with or
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whatever though the larger story but you
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don't have to necessarily have it's like
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having a spy movie where you never see
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the president
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it's fine to have you know I don't in
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the Jason Bourne movies i remember how
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many of you actually see the president
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tried the president is involved this is
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the US government you know a thing or
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whatever but you can have a whole spy
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movie without involving like the the
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generals in charge of the army or the
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President or anything like that and I
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think that's one easy out here is their
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education to see Darth Vader does this
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stuff raised his level of notice for
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concern what they do the job well no he
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never knows they were there they get in
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they get out they get their stuff and
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only later did you find out that
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someone's got the plans because they
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know exactly where to shoot the little
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uh photon torpedo right photon torpedo
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Star Trek confused i didn't get confuse
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my traitorous mouth did and in fact I
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think John's point makes even more sense
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when you think about the fact that this
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rebellion is you know a lot of the other
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place places we see it is predicated as
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sort of like you know a network of cells
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right so in fact it makes more sense
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that you know Princess Leia especially I
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think we you know in some ways were
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given to expect for the most part that
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before the events of the new hope she is
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kind of you know nominally may be in
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charge but is not really directly
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associated with most of the rebellion
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right because she sort of legitimate
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face and so to do that to behave are
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actually involved in those operations
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would put everything at risk right so in
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fact it makes sense in some ways just
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from a storytelling perspective that she
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doesn't have to get involved and I
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agreed like you could have her fate or
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the Emperor but like John says like is
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that is that the important part of the
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story and then you run the storytelling
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issues there too because if you have a
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bunch of like rebels run up against you
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know Darth Vader to tie gonna go outside
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go and it's not i'm in assume it's it's
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going to be you know sort of
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omniscient narrator everything like it's
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not going to be a point of view movie we
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only see we fall one character we only
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see what they see so at any time you
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could cut to you know the Empire
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boardroom or Darth Vader's have another
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argument about his ancient religion or
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something at any time you could show the
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higher reaches you could show the
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princess leia doing something you can
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show Vader your shoulder talking with a
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temper but why would you have that scene
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unless it's part of the plot of the
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movie like I feel like you can you could
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work that in because those people are
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alive they're running around doing their
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jobs but unless their jobs are directly
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connected to the specific plot of this
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movie and these characters there's no
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reason to show the mother than perhaps
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fanservice so i think i will give them a
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pass on a few like oh there's a
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millennium falcon flying by in the
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background or something or not do
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something that happens later but tractor
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beams and you know it the desktop
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looking like a moon that's all fine and
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good but I don't think you know that
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there is necessarily any reason for our
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heroes from the saga
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good guys bad guys or anyone related to
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be involved in the mission that this
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movie is about because this type of
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mission is going to be a hush-hush type
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of thing and that's what I mean every
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word imagine that's why they recruited
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nobody she's a you know a capable rebel
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but no one knows who she is if you need
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someone to infiltrate she doesn't have
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like a little dossier and in the
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Empire's computer saying oh yeah she's
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totally you know what you know she's
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just another you know random person off
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the street who is the they don't know
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anything about because she's beneath
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their notice
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well into Jason's question about linking
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stuff and telling stories within the
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I think the greater virtue here
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especially is that you get to use a
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language that you otherwise you know
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we've seen sort of a door like a derived
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from that language in episode 7 or the
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like hints and sensibilities of the
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original of the design from the original
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trilogy service seeps into like and
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informs what the you know what the
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universe looks like 30 years later but
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here we're inside that moment right like
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there was a great bit and I was watching
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some of the force awakens background
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materials and they were talking about
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designing the falken especially and they
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talked about like as if they were
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approaching it as like a period movie
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they were trying to get accurate all the
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details on the Millennium Falcon in
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in episode 7 so they looked like the
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same ship essentially from the original
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trilogy and so in the same way you know
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we essentially have that language of all
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these like we're seeing original storm
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like you can not only use sort of like
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this is literally a quick shortcut of
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like hey this is the universe wherein
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remember this but like in if we had seen
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that you know that slavish a sort of
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adherence to the original trilogy is
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design sensibilities in episode 7 we
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might have kind of rolled her eyes a
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little bit been like oh we're just
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reusing all this stuff but like here
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work in that time period so it makes
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sense it's a period this period movie
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it's in the period is star wars it's
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1977 in a galaxy far far away
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that's best for this movie takes place
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you fewer bell-bottoms but yeah yeah no
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I i love that about it i was really
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happy to see as well we'll see when we
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go through it see stormtroopers the old
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kind I i enjoying a promising new kind
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but it's like yeah they're the old kind
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and some new kinds the Star Destroyers
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gave me chills as i said i like it just
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took my hair on my arms went up just
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watching them because they had that like
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you know drifting slowly forward like
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that iconic first shot like for
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sequencing you open i said they're going
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oh man you know like this is it's not
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just like we had a new star wars movie
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and it was good but now we have like a
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new stuff is pretty bits like
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contemporaneous with all those stars
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movies that we love them something about
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that is even even more giddy inducing
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and it's tricky to do that like like the
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special feature on the Millennium Falcon
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because you're gonna tease and computer
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right and none of the original ones were
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done computer they're all models right
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and so it like it you like how do you
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how do you make a computer thing that
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looks on camera like the models did and
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part of that is camera moves you know
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like moving the camera like you know as
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if it was you were constrained by I like
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the motion control cameras that they had
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to use back then but part of it is just
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figure out how to light the thing and
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should it be how dull how much dirt how
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much detail should we add you you're
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kind of stuck not doing anything that
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the model couldn't or didn't do and
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looking at these the starter story like
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like even here there the the lighting on
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is a bit more dynamic I mean a bit more
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realistic you know i would imagine
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because you know they're rather than
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just blasting the thing with spotlights
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and putting into the blue screen just
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hoping to get a good clean Matt line on
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the thing in computers we have so much
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more flexibility for nuance but then to
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my eyes it doesn't look like the models
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right it looks it looks different it
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looks fresher it looks a little bit more
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detailed to my eye a little bit more
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modern while the same time of course all
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the geometry is exactly as we expect
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because you know the play laser scan the
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things and everything so that's an
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interesting balancing act same thing
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with the death star itself which totally
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look like a big model that someone
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spray-painted especially in a new hope
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space station again a little more detail
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and everything like that so it's it's
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kind of weird as if like your memories
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of childhood were like low definition
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the limitations of our storytelling
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technology didn't allow you to see the
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world of a new hope as it actually
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existed but now you're actually in a new
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hope and this is what it looks like if
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you were there and like had your
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contacts in or whatever
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it's it's it's fascinating to see them
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walk that line of trying to make things
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look correct but better and it was one
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with the prequels right which was how do
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we depict this world that is you know
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sort of the pre-fall world and
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everything in that looked a little too
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too shiny nice etc and it was hard to
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draw that line and I think episode 7 did
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a much better job of like production
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design and trying to like grow out of
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that but yeah here they have the
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advantage of being able to just sort of
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go to the source throughout the episode
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is that they got to show technology
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advancing and I mean yet within reason
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obviously but they the prequels had were
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the product of an incredibly advanced
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technology that supposedly takes place
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before the stuff that we saw that was
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made using technological ideas of the
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seventies and eighties and so boy that's
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a tough time at everything so here here
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i think it's kind of brilliant that they
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they really just get to use Star Wars as
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a model and
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the the costuming and the art direction
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of Star Wars as as at least their basis
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for for the world the parts of the world
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that we've seen and and well maybe we
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should go through the trailer now how
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about that
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what do you think sounds like a plan
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alright so opening scene we have
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felicity jones who is the star of this
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movie and we see her being led into an
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area that I believe is a rebel alliance
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controlled area there are right does it
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just seem it's got to get all those guys
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think she's almost certainly it seems
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like you haven't been for ya
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I mean all their bases all the bases
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start to look the same over after a
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while they're all kind of you even the
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one in the force awakens was kind of
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modeled after this because it got you
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know but the second shot rebel base
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second shot of the of the trailer has
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pillars with like vines on them which is
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totally a Yavin thing right
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so some of the some of the set pieces
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they have an answer for their shots
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there are exact look to me to be exact
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duplicate of stuff from that last base
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sequence in New Hope where they're like
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where you know watching the attack on
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the Death Star they're gonna get you out
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of thing yes like the stadium i was like
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the stadium from clash of the titans
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where the little figures you know a
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little like what why are you looking
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down at the screen in the middle of a
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circular pit now it's like an overhead
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projector they are me we got the person
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in a like one of those helmets with the
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like the bike helmet kind of thing with
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a with a thing going on backward or like
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that down the back like like is in is in
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Star Wars she's got handcuffs on
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apparently which is interesting
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intriguing right why it why is this
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character in handcuffs although I'm
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still not entirely sure that this isn't
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her at the end of the movie
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well i think it's i think it's the setup
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the classic setup you know of any there
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are so many more like so this is a you
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know what would be called and sort of i
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don't use the gender terms men on a
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mission but like on a mission movie
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right like this is the the Dirty Dozen
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like oh you're no good but we need your
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kind of no good to carry this out right
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and like the thing is that like the
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thing is that we were so you single you
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know obviously think talk a little bit
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about sort of the the gender roles and
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interesting choices they made ever like
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we're so used to seeing that as a as a
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male protagonist like that is a trip
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much less common with a field female
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protagonist and so I think it definitely
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feels a little more fresh in that way
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but like you could probably name a dozen
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movies where it starts out with like the
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government wants to recruit this person
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who is trying to get him out of jail it
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like like the rocker whatever like we
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gotta pee so bad we already have been in
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prison and I think she's being led she's
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in handcuffs right and i think the
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trooper the day they're the rebel
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soldier that is leading her is also a
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woman I couldn't tell what the helmet is
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it's hard to a long hair long hair
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slight build or a very young man but be
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the way like that type of thing I mean
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they did it with the original screen
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shot of the cast and everything like
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that that you're right same damage that
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the the usually like that we need you
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because you're the toughest the most
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resourceful guy even though you're you
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know the outlaw or whatever
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always when there's a bunch of people
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leading someone and hang-ups is a bunch
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of men no matter who is in the handcuffs
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why would you have anyone leaving people
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hanging up two aren't meant because it's
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just like an impossibility in the movie
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to have a hero and handcuffs led by a
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bunch of guards it's got all have to be
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n right and I I think like right off the
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bat at the very least it's ambiguous the
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idea that there's there are you know
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that fifty percent of these people help
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the people in this movie are not men and
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somehow the rebel line still functions
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we got it we got a couple of droid
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cameos in this family shot in the end
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what looks like some kind of a hangar
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bay there's a she's being left across
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also the the rebels are playing a little
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bit loose with their security
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arrangements and that they're allowing
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the and cuffed prisoner of to walk
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behind the guard which is kind of weird
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well isn't this so many rebels they
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actually tries to jump in mind it's not
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gonna let you know how do you know the
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rebels are not big on they're not
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policemen David they are rebels but
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there's an x-wing in the background and
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there's a there's a there's a gunk then
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we see on the left and on the right
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there is a you know I don't know there's
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a not one of those it's a canister droid
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of some kind i don't wanna canister dry
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don't want to assume which are and which
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d it is but it's in the general canister
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and after Mac am mr. you know it's like
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a vacuum cleaner right it's gonna come
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in the upright in the canister this is
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canister model it's the I i thought what
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like our 5d for kind of guy
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there's a couple this couple of them in
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the shop yeah the drug makers have some
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fun I was excited to see I'd forgotten
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like I was the altec swings the original
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yeah so used to seeing the force awakens
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one they get those this for circular
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engines staring you in the face with the
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big Jay Jay loves to build physical
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x-wings and you know what the people who
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build them as I can you feel more I can
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tell that's a real physical actually
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literally the people who build them will
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gladly build you more because the way
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you can tell if it's a physical like
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swinging by the way I don't want to ruin
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her for people that like to tell it is
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this is CG x-wing although the TV people
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I shouldn't be saying this was not going
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to hear me and fix this and burn my
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system but I as anyone who has ever
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built an x-wing out of anything
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including the large-scale lego one's
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nose is really really hard to get the
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wings of an x-wing to stay parallel to
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the ground because they droop because
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they're thin and long and heavy and so
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no matter what you build it out unless
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you build it out of titanium like
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especially people that out of wood or
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something like that
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the physical ones the wings droop a
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little bit so if you see the wings
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dripping a little bit probably a
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physical one
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if they are exactly parallel to the
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ground probably see Jesus so top 40 and
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everybody else in ilm take note want to
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make it look real estate you gotta you
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get a chance to make amends siracusa
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just a little bit of true or the the
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model maker ones could actually use very
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very stiff material like you know carbon
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fiber honeycomb to actually make the
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parallel to the ground that cost too
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much that's not gonna happen
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how is it that the gunk droid as dumb as
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it isn't in so many Star Wars movies
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it's just necessarily really easy to
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make if you have a couple of trash cans
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yeah living together for you and put a
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little person in it we never call this
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the gunk is a kid this was the walking
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trash can LOL and tragic androids that
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was a real yeah yeah power Droid i think
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if you want to go with the the other
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vernacular but yeah i think it's it's
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just one there's only one of them in the
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entire stars galaxies gets around gets
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yeah power doesn't mean he's like a
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battery he's just like a portable
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battery walks over and you a charge your
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Wow legislators only place on the sides
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so many the budgetary like constraints
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of the seventies for the original star
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wars have you know been translated into
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and in of the star wars universe because
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like we can especially like we need a
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bunch of roboti background things are
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not important that i can be starting the
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movie themes like roboti how cheaply can
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we make something that looks roboti was
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one solution 45 minute 45 seconds maybe
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nobody ever even remember it was there
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meanwhile i don't know actually 4 430
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years people will be free streaming it
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an action figure out a bit ly great say
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it was a little person with little
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plastic things on their legs a little
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plastic shoes into trash cans good
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together and goes good doctor and they
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made them in action figure out of it
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you're like wait wait wait that was and
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then now it's just that the just just
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run with it guys just run with it
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ya donk one else's were so if we could
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go across the bay there is the x-wing in
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the background there's you know there's
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steam coming up there people are like
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welding things there's a droid and it
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appears that she is then brought into a
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tactical area this is a control room the
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likes of which we have seen before in
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Star Wars to rebel control room and in
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it there is a a guy off to the off to
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the left and who's looking for Eastern
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and in the center it is a it is somebody
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we've seen before it's it's a Mon Mothma
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the the sort of what would you say she
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is she the the the leader of the
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rebellion the official leader of the
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rebellion
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well she's at one point a senator I
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believe although i think yeah that
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depends again how much not throwing out
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clearly i think i think at this point
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like I mean it discretionary star wars
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the rebellion is a secret and informal
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thing you know it's old you are part of
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the Rebel Alliance and traders if they
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don't declare themselves hi I'm part of
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the rebels like you know the idea is
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buying powerful important people in the
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rebellion so obviously she is
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that is officially canonically like rank
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wise she's more
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or whatever but in this movie is
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presented as our hero comes before her
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person in charge is all lit up to get
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spotlights on earth and we're addressing
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right and whether there's any thought of
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people above that are who the heck you
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know Han Solo Skywalker are going to be
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or what Princess Leia is or what she's
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doing is totally beyond the concern of
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you know this person just marching your
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handcuffs far as she's concerned she's
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talking to the person in charge
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no I mean I be honestly had always had
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the opposite thought from jamas I assume
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mama was the sort of top head of the
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yeah sort of an end eventually was
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basically in charge of things and
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Princess Leia well high-ranking was not
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necessarily you know like i said she was
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sorry like in an outright because she
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was definitely maintaining our role in
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the center at least up until a new hope
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but she sort of acts as a as a high
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level operative in some way so I agree
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that is definitely I mean it's she's
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definitely in charge is interesting
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because we have a weird link here which
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appeared in return the Jedi in a pretty
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much just one scene and then appears
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briefly i think in the final cut of the
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episode 3 appears briefly but has
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deleted scenes in which they she
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same actress from the prequels which
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of the new films is drawing sort of a
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direct line to the prequels was very
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clever because she looks a lot like the
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original actress
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yeah I had to add that moment like wait
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a second is that did they do cg things I
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placement wet like it's just you know
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because all you eat the thing is you
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don't when you see the next shot they
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don't actually look that much like but
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you you see the uniform you don't see
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the person especially the range of the
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during the shot broad broad strokes you
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broad strokes there that they could pass
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for similar enough if you don't remember
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exactly what it was like look like but
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this is an irish actor named Genevieve
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O'Reilly who's been in a bunch of things
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including i was thinking i started
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spooks the british show and in episodes
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the Showtime comedy she plays a part in
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there too so but she looked i think she
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is a dead ringer here and it is
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they decided to go with the prequels
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actors but i guess they felt like we
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already cast that part 1 yeah we already
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did the search for someone who looks
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just like this and yeah that's her let's
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just go with that and that that person
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just needs to be a little bit older and
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guess what they are because yeah
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convenient time has passed since the
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prequels so here we are
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felicity jones is broad before mon
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mothma and this this dude and then
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there's also another another guy who
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looks roguish and is lit in sort of a
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green light from the tactical display
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and he's off in the corner so you can
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tell that that that guy's gonna be you
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might be wrote to you see you see his
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little is little badge that the little
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rank badges the one the one you always
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remember from the new hope it looks like
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the period of dog food symbol like with
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the 525 read things right
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this guy just got to to greendot so
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obviously he's not as high ranking as
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the molecular tenant or something is
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that Diego Luna it is diego luna yeah so
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I I i assume that the the story this is
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the story right which is all right we
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called you in here you've got a mission
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you're gonna work with this guy looks
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like he's that kind of these are
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official guy right like he's are these
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are legitimate like guy that we send
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into these things that you have a very
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specific you have a very specific set of
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skills that we need one thing about
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these two characters which I i had
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tweeted about my got a pretty big
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response which was this this you trailer
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opens with two characters both women
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talking about something not related to a
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guy which means this trailer already
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like 20 seconds in passes the Bechdel
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test which may set it aside from almost
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every other star wars movies at least up
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to force awakens certainly so that
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despite the fact that i do think you
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know when they first released a cast
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despite having a very diverse cast they
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did have still a predominantly male at
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least 80 characters we were shown so
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there are at least multiple multiple
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women in here with lines with scenes
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together which I think continues along
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the sort of trajectory we've seen from
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the new Star Wars laid out for us which
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is this is really going to be about like
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all sorts of different characters right
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not just
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our prototypical white male here heroes
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so that's I think that's really cool i
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mean i-i something like she's going to
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be overwhelmed in the movie kind of like
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Ray was for the most part of that like
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you're still going to be in universe
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mostly surrounded by men to a degree
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that is not particularly a
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representative of the world at large but
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they're you know they're making progress
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is what you have to say is that they are
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taking steps in the right direction I
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mean you know the the optimistic outcome
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as you do this a bunch of times when
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people start complaining about the
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stereotypical white female heroine and
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so all right that's progress
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next we're on to the next you know
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stereotype now it's like like turning a
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Star Destroyer you have to do a it's
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very slow once you start moving it but
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it takes a while to turn all the way
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around but the most important thing the
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most important thing is like you can't
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go into this in like oh and you know
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we're going to make a bunch of movies
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going to make one every year and they're
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probably gonna be like diversity them in
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the beginning I was just doing
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traditional it's what I think it's
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really important to come out of the gate
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with two movies with with the female
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even if there are pretty conventional
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and almost every other way like i said i
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really think that you know that cast
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photo is representative and she's gonna
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be running around this movie's most of
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the people surrounding her aren't are
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going to be men right and maybe slightly
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more diverse meant but to have the 2 12
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punch of the force awakens and this one
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sends a signal that it's not like oh
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this is something we're going to do in
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the future going forward when we have
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the opportunities like we're doing it
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now this is this is you know it's not
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it's not gonna it's not something that
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we aspire to
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right yeah it is a priority and and so
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much so that they're taking the movies
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out the movie is the movie is on her
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shoulders right that's the whole movie
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there are some challenges with that also
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just basic again once again if we're
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reading this in a period right like you
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know all the for example you take the
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Empire right like how many women did you
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see the Empire in the original movies
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and half the stormtroopers just couldn't
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tell ya
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arioso like that's what you gotta do is
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to like that's basically it wasn't until
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you know force awakens that we had
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definitive like female stormtrooper so i
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think i'm sure again there's an uphill
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climb to like having representing that
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when you know you've it's weird because
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you feel like you're adhering to a
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period like but at the same time like
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it's a fictional period like yeah this
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is history of things that never happen
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so really it could have been whatever
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the hell you want it to be mmm
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because they can still play that up as
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in like even if they want to go with
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like all right so most of most of the
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rebel fighters are men and most of the
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Empire's men that's why we need a woman
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to be the one to infiltrate and get this
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point I mean you get this lot of
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different angles you can take on and I
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think there's no problem with
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plausibility at all understand like from
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the from the entertainment making
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perspective that the disney is sending a
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message and being smart you know money
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wise because like I just I just think
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it's it's a it's a good move and it's
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easy to like I said look at this and say
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alright well its progress but and i
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totally agree with all the butts but I'm
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just I'm exhilarated by the fact that
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things are moving forward
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you know I mean like and in a way that
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like you know I enjoyed the star trek
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movies and we had complaints about star
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trek through this that's a silly scenes
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but wasn't that into darkness the silly
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scenes where they have people stripped
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down and everything and I like those
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movies and I thought they were good but
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they were constrained by the cast and
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they didn't like regenerate things which
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they could have and be i didn't realize
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how much how much more interesting they
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would have been to me have a gender swap
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the bunch of people are done something
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more creative until I got to see these
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movies and have a fresh look as we spent
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our whole lives seeing movies where all
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this is a bunch of men doing things that
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if women don't even exist and it's
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exhilarating to see something different
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yep agreed this is also as we move to
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the next scene in that previous see what
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we get is mon mothma saying a list of
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all the crimes that Felicity Jones
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character has committed essentially
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which is funny and then her response
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comes over the next scene so we see her
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in wearing like something on her head
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and and in a in what looks like a it
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somewhere else there's a robot behind
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her droid sorry robot appears and in a
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bunch of this trailer and could you do
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that what happens to be there in the
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scene or that could be that robot is
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like the companion robot for their
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ragtag group at allmovie i will give you
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even money both it's that and it's allen
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and alan tudyk who is also a robot and I
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robots oh yeah I think that's probably a
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the with a stick and with a blaster and
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she ends up like firing and be causing
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an explosion that hurls and she just
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doesn't cause that explosion she is the
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victim of that explosion explosions
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being sent off remotely by someone
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holding something and she you know
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through the frame it wasn't weird hot
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secretary also we see we see her
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we see her fire oh you're right we see a
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fire her gun but then we cut and you can
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actually see there's somebody above
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who's got three different scenes who is
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committed to making in the triggering
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that i think those are in the same
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location right but yeah and you see look
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after the explosion goes off she is
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diving to the ground with our friend
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with the the two there are
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scruffy-looking french guiana be the
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opening scene with the two things and
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take cover you know it's typical trailer
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stuff for you you know you can you can
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make it look like that's one scene
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because people don't notice it but
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anyway yeah it's the this is the part
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where they show action
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here's some action going on yes or some
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sort of rumors flying through the air
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you gotta like that right and she's and
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she's beating the crap out of
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here so she's she's tough she's got a
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gun she's got chicken fight with a stick
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she's got lots of different ways to beat
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on stormtroopers and then there's
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somebody who blows up a bunch of
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stormtroopers and rebellion after all
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this is a rebellion after all and just
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after opening and she says in the next
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and and in the rebel base and and she
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says I repeal that is that is who this
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character is which is a pretty good
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pretty great and mon mothma sort of has
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a knowing a knowing smile and looks down
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yeah it's like when you don't want to
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humor your kid like your kids something
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funny but it's not really funny you
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don't want to like laugh to encourage
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them but it actually is kind of funny
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she's supposed to be Stern and say
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you've broken all these laws and are
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disobedient and are you know Here I your
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rebel never hear you know and and but
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really she kind of admirers the guests
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over here all all
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yeah all communicated with a nice smile
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and you know that's that's why the scene
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is in the trailer because that's what
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you want to have their uh let's see so
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so our next shot
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she is she's riding on a spaceship it
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looks like looking out the window we get
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some lens flare
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could be a vehicle could be that was
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probably flying going to every up
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against something at the lens flare in
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there you know I and then the next shot
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and this is again over over there
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voiceover about a weapons weapons test
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that's happening and that they needed to
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get the details and we get a Star
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Destroyer with a shadow moving across
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the surface of the death star as it
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turns out on top in the background and
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we get to see that they're lowering the
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the the cone of the weapon into the
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Death Star superlaser some assembly
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required
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yeah well I because you know like John
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setup from we're talking about the
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models of it it's like you know we all
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know that the star was like a big model
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right like and so it was so in some ways
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so interesting in the inside the Jedi
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one had to deal with the unfinished
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estar now here it's unfinished but it's
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like in a much further along stage of
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construction but there still is like you
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had to have giant ships like putting
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these last things in the place right
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like you're building space which is
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great but you know what
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it still requires some work so we get
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the impression it's not quite finished
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but it's pretty close to finish it
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sounds like the arm on the space shuttle
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a subcontractor that out to the space
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Canadians and I just delivered and
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installed it that same thing with the
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death star also got tricked his face
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Canadians somebody said that the gesture
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is unibody construction you know so they
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they built they build the whole big
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thing and then they and then make
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because it has the curve you want the
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curve to match and then they have to cut
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out with where they do this every
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contractor yeah is building the the
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firing mechanism the barrel of a gun or
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whatever it is they do a nice job
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showing the scale by having the start of
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stories hanging out around that look so
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puny yeah yeah it's beautiful and that
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that's a nice revisitation of the thing
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we know we all know well from Star Wars
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right and so much harder to do I think
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right when they have the original model
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works right here than I've been are
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going to make started story scare models
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next to the desktop model because it
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would be like you know like a centimeter
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large and it wouldn't read on camera and
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you know but with exactly magically cgi
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you can do all that we get the guy the
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guy the guy who's been hanging out to
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the left to is obviously a a military
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leader of some sort of way they are
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general or whatever in the rebellion
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we couldn't get we couldn't get our
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general Dodonna probably because I'm
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sure that guys did and to anything
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stirring he's scolding her and saying
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this is actually a serious mission we
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really need to know this you know
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whatever instructions he's just given
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her he wants to make sure she takes it
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seriously and is gonna do one queued up
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some some hours yeah because there's
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alarms it's very it's very exciting
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so there's a long and glorious history
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of a klaxon zand trailers the ones that
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come to mind immediately to me and most
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recent memory was the Prometheus trailer
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which leaned heavily on the sirens are
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klaxons repeatedly going throughout the
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in more intense part of the trailer
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what else have you got someone posted
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the alien trailer which had a little bit
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of that going on in it which one's my
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forgetting their farther back than that
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Prometheus it's it's a very common thing
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that the modern travelers structure is
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you know gentle intro rising action big
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dramatic lots of things happening and
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then smooth out at the end and this one
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going with the the siren theme
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interestingly i think the sirens are
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they sound different big don't sound all
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I don't think I was inception much they
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weren't really sirens but so much for
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getting the big bong you know based on
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these sirens I don't know if they sound
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star wars but they definitely don't
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sound like the other sirens that I've
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heard in protecting the areas Star Wars
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sirens they're the they're used in the
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Death Star in the original I I know if
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that's what they're going for I feel
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like they haven't matched it could just
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be again take if you take that sound out
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of the original context that sounds
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weird kind of like the jet taking that
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the lines from look at of Jedi and they
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sound weird you know I think that's a
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part of it i think the other part of it
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is that they they were something we
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heard very much in the background and so
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therefore grounded yeah i mean
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presumably if they just pull the exact
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sound effects Brent you know Ben birds
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got them all and some board somewhere
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that could be them but at but if that's
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where they're going for they just sounds
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so different out of context especially
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you know get behind it is not playing
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the john williams music you don't hear
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the footsteps of people going through
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the star they are pretty well isolated
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and then they just continue for the for
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the action portion of this trailer we
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are now joined by serenity caldwell who
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has made it home
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hi finally hello where we're we're uh a
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full visibility
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going home in it you're gonna have
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gotten into the klaxon that's okay yeah
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yeah so so there's plenty of time for
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you to jump in here as we go
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yeah so we got to the klaxons and then
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we there's a whole bunch of like x-wing
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pilots and felicity jones and diego luna
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and a donk droid they're all hot walking
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off to the left to the left the dr fly
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plane and this one because that'd be
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great but it's his dream you look at
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them they're looking at also more
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employees like this is gonna be my
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chance this time for sure is there is a
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1x1 left for me but he walk so slowly
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that in three strides there always a
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past him and he just taking his little
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steps there's a whole anthology film
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just dedicated solely to that contract
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on chronic where the gun control schools
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you know we didn't see an astromech so
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so I guess you know we have to have one
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little droid side get it right there is
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there is a did I said canister drawing
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because I referred to them identified
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there was a random cleaner r 5g for
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starters right I are having a far-right
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wing is that when the rebels and
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handcuffed yeah exactly
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and there's one on the left to the
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silver one on the left huh right also a
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canister John and aftermarket huh i sir
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alright done up right though going to
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someone upright actually warming up
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right i classify all my robot vacuum all
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you might not a ball right now or a
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mouse droid so they're they're headed
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off to war i guess uh and then and then
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we give a shot mysterious shot of a a
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sort of it's almost like his graduation
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photo he sorta posed a standing there
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like a Macallan to me it looks very in
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mcallen hands across the name maybe he's
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got a little of staff or something like
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that a little bit he's got a cape
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it's a it's a it's a it's a Imperial
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Admiral Grand Admiral something like
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that he's in white so he's not the
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coloring that we expect from these you
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need for as it was EU then that would
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signify Grand Admiral but again we toss
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about that he's also standing in front
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of the display in the death star that
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target is standing in front of you
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turning into you know
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yeah the trapezoidal one yeah yeah what
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does he hold what is that what is on his
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e holding a gun
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what is it silver thing look like it was
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like a swagger stick or something
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yeah I thought it was maybe a like some
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sort of a affectations like a stick a
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stick or something but I don't know i'm
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holding a stick i have a mental space
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stick it looks like magneto it looks
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like a Macallan playing a might need
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always got the Cape he's got the look i
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know the actors i could look like that
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when you see what it looks like anything
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but this pose just maybe think about it
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it's a good pose
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it's very eerie i mean obviously we
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don't know too much about where the
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settings of this movie you're going but
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I appreciate that as we sort of get into
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Imperial shot starting in about the 52nd
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mark things go from very grungy and very
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lived-in to we've we've got the
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isolationist very clean very crisp look
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all of the rebels are in browns and
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grays and then you have a murder shot of
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yeah i mean even even mon mothma is in
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kind of an off-white right she's not
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even in true she's in kind of like this
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billowy off wait no spiritual was a very
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seven yeah yeah yeah so very very
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seventies but then you get to you know
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if you get this beautiful super super
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white keep ya super keep yeah he's in a
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space Nazi look
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yeah I respect got a big space Marianne
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goes very and thereby boy I don't care
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about the the cleaning budget either the
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laundry budget I is another like
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speaking of budget is another place
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where the seventies budget of Star Wars
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comes and we just mentioned before the
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the purina rebel signal so you know
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things right so they had yet so they had
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to come up with a way to show a rank
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insignia of them you know whatever it's
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gonna be the more of these you have the
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higher your rank is right and then Sigma
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things are like it's like a plate of
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metal with colored raised squares
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because I mean you don't like luck with
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this alcohol thing we're going to spend
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our money on the original star wars in
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1970 whatever we're not going to spend
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we don't have a kind of budget to have
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someone come up with 17 designs where
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there is significant look like
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and manufacturing characters like know
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that have the prop Department a piece of
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metal color thing and then now some
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here's later
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that's officially what the insignias
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look like so like well you gotta do that
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because that's what they look like stars
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and it's such a it's such a strange look
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born of low-budget but now it's like now
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just that star wars it actually doesn't
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even make any sense lady I think I was a
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kid you know I tried to go through and
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like figure out what they actually met
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it like you are comparing them and it's
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like this actually doesn't make any
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sense people are all over the place with
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the number of things of these other jobs
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no it'sit's um although to an untrained
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eye a lot of military rank insignia and
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metals and things like that or computer
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the mentalist look like as well exactly
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and and and now having having learned a
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little bit about that a lot of the stuff
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that's on your front lapel in the Army
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not your rank or your insignia so right
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maybe something entirely different maybe
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like decorations maybe number of times
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that you've successfully managed to fire
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your weapon a target maybe just hold
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your gum you know if you get hungry and
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you know John these are extra strength
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liqui-gels they are you just pop them
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out and take them and urology Tsar fine
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for a while if you find yourself in the
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matrix you can have the red pillow the
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blue coat right there on your lapel
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that's right to take this um ok so we
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cut cut back and then we're in a scene
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again I think this might be the same
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scene i'm not sure but it's more classic
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stormtroopers and and like a there were
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some of them are riding on like a tank
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and not so classic vehicle classic
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stormtroopers although the guys in the
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tank are not classic stormtroopers right
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they've got something else going on with
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their armor they've got like blast
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shield yeah they mix up the classic
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stormtroopers are there and then there's
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other varieties of Stormtroopers which
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are not the force awakens stormtroopers
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and not the clone wars stormtroopers but
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other varieties and presumably they are
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yet another very slick in the
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Stormtrooper fashion world you have to
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have different outfits for doing my
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house because you got the snow troopers
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you get the forest troopers and then you
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had to hurt variance because the force
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awakens snow troopers don't look like
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this no troopers from empire and so
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these are like desert dirt grime Street
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star wars rebels setting I mean it's an
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absolutely it's got a little
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follow me yeah I didn't they could be a
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little bit of clone wars carryover type
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thing but that I think that's how you
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excuse like hey we're all these
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stormtroopers in New Hope why why were
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they here and not there it's like well
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the New Hope took place
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I mean maybe they should have been
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tattooing if this is supposed to be like
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another desert planet but all the ones
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on the Death Star were all of a piece
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because it's not like you have snow or
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ice or whatever there's just like the
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indoor the generals you know general use
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stormtrooper outright but but i think
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the only use those stormtroopers in this
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movie you would be less visually
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interesting so I think they they are
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enjoying the ability to both have the
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classic stormtroopers with their classic
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guns and maybe a little bit fancier guns
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but also new vehicles and new stories
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maybe it's like maybe that's the local
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help right there is the Imperials and
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there's also like some local government
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on whatever planet there on ya Forest
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Whitaker is next
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looking like a he he's alive he's beat
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up he's got like he's wearing this thing
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that's got a bunch of stuff on it and
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he's got that little like he's got like
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darth vader's breathing harmonica thing
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write down exactly fun like he like he
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just took off from his uh his own little
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Darth Vader mask and is a wandering up
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to talk to us
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there's a subsequent shot at some point
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of something that looks kind of like a
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stormtrooper with black armor i wonder
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if this might be him with his helmet on
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but i didn't i didn't spend the time
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free streaming through it so i was
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curious to know if that it is that might
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be him or not it just looks like a black
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storm trooper looking at that shot okay
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it's a little bit different than the
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block somebody if you look at his
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shoulder pads is a different it's a
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different outlet very least whether it's
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a minute yeah I thought you might be
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more like a bounty hunter or something
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it's hard to tell me definitely he has
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that vibe he's definitely seen some
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stuff he's got fans say on his chest
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walking stick
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he's angry about things he is
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check-check bounty hunter check
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yep he's got a scar on his face yep
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welcome back to him now we've got a shot
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that that's really quick with easily the
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very definitely the black stormtrooper
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outfit different kind of helmet
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there's a there's a fire going on the
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background with one of those little to
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sort of towers like we usually see in
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the residents havin
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this is a fisherman friend antenna can't
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yeah looks like it looks kinda like the
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moisture vaporators from Tatooine a
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little bit it's just you know it's very
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green there's lots of green line but
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there's something going on there where
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it sits very Star Wars either right when
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you see one because one of the force
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awakens to where you're like oh yeah
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Star Wars architecture got where they've
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taken it from from the moisture farm
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basically and like used it as a motif of
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like this is the kind of thing we do in
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Star Wars so it's in the background on
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fire apparently or the thing behind it
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is on fire and their these super
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menacing stormtroopers we haven't seen
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before looking around black stormtrooper
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armor is the new white yes doesn't show
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the dirt as much you know when you're on
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these dirty planets really it's more
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sensible that way when I got a big it's
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got a big like thing on the on the
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bottom part of the face like it's got a
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gas mask or something like that it maybe
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not so good for the hot climates though
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so yeah and then what
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like yeah I'm assuming this i mean the
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point of the green so it's probably not
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tattooing but like what planet are there
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maybe this could be 70 different
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settings but like this the explosion
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this her beating up the stormtroopers it
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looks like kind of sandy dirt on the
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ground right there not cobblestone
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streets
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it almost looks tropical and we've got
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especially a tropical stuff later right
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yeah we've got yacht on trees or later
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yep the shot that immediately succeeds
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this with with the locked rebel pilots
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and handcuffs being escorted through a
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busy market yes
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this makes me think that they're
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definitely aiming again it goes with the
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the rebels in real life I feel it looks
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a lot like how they've been portraying
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love fall and I don't think it's less
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all but i think they want you to get the
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same kind of vibe for people who are
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hooked into the stuff that's happening
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with Star Wars rebels they have said
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that like the stuff that's happening
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with Star Wars rebels is Canada does
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affect the the larger sphere i like the
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idea of showing other outer rim planets
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that may also may not be lush tropical
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you know Greenland's because not all not
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all habitable planets are going to look
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there's probably going to be a lot of
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desert planets because there's you know
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maybe if you think about the logistics
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of habitable worlds and how not a ton of
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habitable world
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out there have you know perfect lush
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oceans and and tons of greenery and it
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makes sense that that there are a lot of
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worlds look like this and also who gets
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to live on those world
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yeah yeah that's not the prime real
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estate in the galaxy really not so much
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but secretly I hope it's with all we
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have to start over with the arm shoulder
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pad just as that scene fades out like
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the traditional and a new hope you know
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we have to get the black shoulder bread
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the forehand operations but every once
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in a while you go you see ones like they
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pulled like I right out of New Hope
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literally that guy's super disorder is
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ryan still now so running through here
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here's a rod again again here's our dirt
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become a robot he does he's not a
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recognizable droid I suppose he's a
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droid kisses a robot in Star Wars but
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he's he's a little he's not something
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we've seen before these humanoid-looking
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yeah and they're finished slender girl
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is it is that an IG unit no no it's not
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wrong wrong body I think he's big and
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and roboti and we haven't seen before
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and they're running down a corridor and
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there are stormtroopers running perhaps
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a down the same corridor on the other
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side we don't know but there's two
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different story different location
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I honestly think it's a different
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location and that they're just messing
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that they're just intercutting the two
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the two sets right yeah because they're
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both indoors and they're both indoors
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and slightly gray well the light the
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lights may be the same on the ceiling
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there but again this is this is approved
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level analysis that we're doing here but
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the most rollerblading they're working
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most relevant thing is that we have two
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different sets of Stormtroopers again on
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the ground starts you're running here so
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these are the whatever these are hand
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tan Stormtroopers they come in all the
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colors now
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yeah and shout out to to Canary Wharf
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station which is the first shot of them
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running through what was that England
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yeah that's carrying that's just that's
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just a underground station
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yep mmm been underground station dressed
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up to look like Star Wars yes
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cool just gonna have some red lights and
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put a little bit of a CG crossover
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things and yeah make a make the ground
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look a little bit different you don't
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know about these beige stormtroopers
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like a the idea that it's the Imperial
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Stormtroopers plus the local
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this'll make some sense but these
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totally looks like stormtroopers like
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what climber you four are you for like I
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don't know like swampy desert keep the
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varieties of Stormtroopers because it
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was the white carpet is so clearly like
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they like they really are the indoor cat
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of the star wars universe is so nice and
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clean their they're perfect for if
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you're running around the death star
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that's those are your guys but everyone
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else like they have to be you know
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different you can be running around on
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Endor you're not gonna want to be all
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white like that do you want to eat you
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alive it's better to be a little bit
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camouflage that's like the snow troopers
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is already are camouflaged anyway these
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beige guys definitely look kind of like
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they want to blend in with some scenery
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maybe they are the tropical island one
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maybe so
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and then we see we've got another guy
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with a kind of guy with a stick
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perfect guy was just a nice light say
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this is donnie and i believe yes I'm who
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you may know from hero with jet li and
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he is a he's been a bunch of
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international arts movies and he is
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using his staff to again whack the hell
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out of a bunch of Stormtroopers there's
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a downed x-wing in the background of
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yeah and again the city like not a lot
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of trees brown dirt on the ground
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what kind of crumbling the white
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stormtrooper standout in this
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environment in the same way they stood
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out in Mos Eisley because they are shiny
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and for the most part clean and
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threatening in this sort of dirty
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tumbledown world but not shiny and
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chrome now that comes later i was using
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I felt like donnie yen seen felt like a
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little bit of like this does I you to
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ichi the blind swordsman it kind of
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feels like he's using it like almost
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like a you know a blind person using a
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cane and then he just beats the crap at
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all them so wasn't entirely sure what's
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going on there but it seems like an
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interesting dynamic
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yeah very curious so I'll sound carries
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cut to got stormtroopers firing and this
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is we are very clearly at this point in
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a tropical setting there are palm trees
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everywhere there is what looks like a
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while there's a spacecraft with the four
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wings like a big Imperial shuttle like
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an irrational car
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go thing yeah looks like kylo Ren
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shuttle yeah that's exactly what I
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thought when I thought I think it might
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be a radar dish you if your idea you
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refreeze find that one and run back as
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like it doesn't look like its mobile
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necessarily but it does bear a lot of
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resemblance to the kylo Ren ship
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well but it does move because it blows
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up in our lying so we get we get some
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nice trailer explosions and then the
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next shot
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speaking of i mentioned earlier the DA
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Grand Admiral and the Imperial laundry
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here's the thing about having Apes
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here's the thing about if you wear a
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if you wear a cape and then you walk
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along the beach your keeps going to get
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wet and that's what happens here this
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one floats gracefully across the water
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yeah but it's still wet Stilwell but
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it's like that it's got that thing where
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the water
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the water
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speeds up like user table cloth so good
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around let's get a little over a little
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simonized little a little water perfect
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they're nice
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Jason no capes no capes I agree but this
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guy he doesn't care he has a nice blood
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in the back it's very stylish it's it
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this is a very chilling scene especially
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medications the first time around but
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going through on subsequent viewings the
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dead stormtroopers just lying and that
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shallow water and you've got a bunch of
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the dead white stormtroopers you got a
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bunch of what looked like black
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stormtrooper black stormtrooper armor or
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it might be rebels with burning what
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looks like burning x-wings as well as
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potentially burning whatever we saw
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explode
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earlier you know against the sea of palm
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trees like this is a beautiful shot to
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contrast that with the very next shot
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which is also if somebody completely
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direct center center screen which maybe
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Palpatine Vader one of the one of the
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above surat flanked by Imperial Guard
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this looks like it's somebody who would
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have some sort of connection to I want
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me my initial thought was some sort of
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connection to the system because it's
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somebody in a black robe who is kneeling
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yeah and because there kneeling in front
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of whatever this cylinder is it's got
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steamed up from hologram ugh i thought i
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thought it was gonna be like the
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holographic like okay you know
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communication unit that we see in sort
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of empire but I it's hard to tell right
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because there isn't anything directly
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there right now but I don't know it
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seems awfully solid little carbon for
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his chamber from like Empire exist like
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it's got the little the tubes hanging
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down that you know get sliced during the
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Empire fight and you a lot of smoke and
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yet this to like nodules but yeah I
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don't I can't get a read on what this
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light cylinder is because all of the
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other things you just disgust have more
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or less canonical forms in this error of
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the star wars universe that we we know
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what the Holograms look like there's no
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this looks more like a star wars
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transporter like what you don't need to
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have a big white cylinder light to do
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hollow communications because those are
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blue and interlaced because that's how
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they look in this phase of the star wars
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universe and they don't really have
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transporters and it doesn't actually
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look like carbon-freezing is
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carbon-freezing doesn't involve a giant
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whites on their life
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so what the hell is it yeah but the key
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clue here is that we've got two of the
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the Red imperial garden so this is
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something to do with the Emperor like
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those guys only show up when the Emperor
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is involved in some way i suppose they
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could show up when Vader is involved in
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some way because this thing makes me
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question how high we are going to go up
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the evil org chart in this movie is
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there going to be a scene where one of
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the fairly big beds talk to his boss and
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his boss Vader or mrs. Bostock activator
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or is this actually they were talking to
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the Emperor like do we need to see those
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people all it doesn't look like they're
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to me and stature wise i know it's hard
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to tell but like he's got the wrong
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outfit for their he doesn't look at the
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right height and width proportions he
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doesn't walk like Vader so I'm thinking
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it's not very but who knows like you
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have a cape is wrong it's not it's not
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the right clothes I mean you would have
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to be like better in disguise and it was
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the Emperor he doesn't again same thing
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as a waiter in disguise is like a
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slightly different form of Darth Vader
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is like Vader but he wears a different
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you know cloak over his I know doesn't
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make any sense now are you don't either
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no you're right i just sound like James
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Earl Jones a lot of people have that
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voice what you've got another close-up
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of of our of our pal forest whitaker
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various but yeah he's got a lot of
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equipment around his neck
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that's why so angry all the time very
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gray and an orange looking place its it
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almost looks like the falken interior
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but I think they're probably inside one
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of those dwellings where we see Felicity
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Jones hanging out earlier you know very
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very very quick shot and then cut you
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more explosions yes I'm more explosions
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and the guy running a running out of an
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explosion with a with a gun and then and
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then we get the were in the sort of like
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on the beach in and they're the palm
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trees and there are a whole bunch of
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Imperial Walker's shooting down at
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people including it looks like including
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Felicity Jones running across yes
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yeah I don't know
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energy chance and her scruffy friend
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yeah and I guess our friends there too
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many graphic it doesn't so this is this
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is totally a classic Star Wars movie
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because the first Star Wars movie you
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had Luke in the desert and all but
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desert hot and water and then they go
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into space in a fight and then an empire
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you follow up with like remember the
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desert movie star resolved by desert how
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about freezing cold about white freezing
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cold the exact opposite of desert and we
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have ads alright we go to do the
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callback remember and that's white
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freezing cold
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how do you feel about ads in the tropics
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is either get there they're paying back
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and forth from the how extreme creamy
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the only way they could have gotten more
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extreme that some space which for make
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no sense but it would be funny to those
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legs are just playing around they just
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kicked my leg kick their little legs and
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not we can see and that's flown in and
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Star Wars rebels on a carrier which is
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kind of crazy but I i love the return of
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the edits it looks it looks so good that
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the fact that we've got depth of field
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here and you see sort of the the adults
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in the distance in there I obscured by
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hayes you've got that giant that giant
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signal dish standing up next so you get
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a sense of scale and especially being
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down with felicity jones and the
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presumably the rest of the rebels you
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really get a sense even more so i think
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that an empire of just how massive the
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adults are in comparison to humans when
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and how questions ripped they are right
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like and you have a big problem because
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you look you have gone seven stories of
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angry and you're running around in the
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sand i love the big splashes from my
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feet again nothing you couldn't do you
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dats that would like not have any of the
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problems or imperfections are weird like
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you know rough edges that we would get
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from a model like we have to sort of do
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things in perfectly
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yeah they're like that the clunky gate
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their legs have to move a kind of a
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herky-jerky slow like that they move so
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slowly you can't have these things like
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galloping across the business you know
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they couldn't do that with the model so
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down and these ones have to move exactly
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the same i only the sharper and love
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training this is before the rebels have
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discovered tow cables you don't have
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this resolved someone could run around
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yeah I wanted to say that one of the
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things that's great about having cgi
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these of these things is in some ways
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it's the there the insult incidental use
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use in the background of these things
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like 45 of them here but they're in the
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background in different locations at
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different distances pointed in different
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directions so you get some scale like oh
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there are a lot of them and they're all
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firing at people and they're all doing
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this at once and in Empire you know
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because of the cost and because of the
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complexity you know what you would see
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of them would be really limited because
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it had they had to keep it simple and
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then you use your imagination to fill in
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moment of like oh my god there are mock
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many walkers all doing different things
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some of them are close that we really
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need to walk out for but there's also
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that one way back there and it's doing
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something to that's pretty cool that's a
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really nice advantage of having modern
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film technology for this stuff
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agreed it's a it's fun to see that
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they're scary and they put a Fire's
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shot is Felicity Jones again and it
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lights up and we're looks like we're in
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a very death story kind of location and
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she's wearing a Death Star uniform
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basically and it's yellow black and
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shiny and that's the last shot of the
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trailer was it death star uniform or was
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it a tie fighter yeah it's an imperial
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it's kind of its kind of weird because
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it has on the back with almost look like
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steak like short swords but like they're
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not write like that but they are sort of
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like a weird industrial-looking thing
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shiny black metal thing you know one
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thing in the front important is the big
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the big you know Empire you know this
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insignia on her honestly hold previous
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part of the movie we had seen as being a
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rebel she's one of the rebels who is
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dressed in red the rebel kind of way
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which is dirty brown clothes and she's
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running around beating up the shiny
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stormtroopers and here she's at the end
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and like the voice-over is like if you
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do this well what will you become blah
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blah and what they're trying to tease
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that she could go over to the rebels or
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whatever because if permission is to go
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and infiltrate and steel surely at some
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point during the infiltrating she'll
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address you know you're not going to get
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the desktop plans out of the start that
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is indeed where they're held without
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disguising yourself as part of the
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Empire and I assumed it had to do with
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drawing I mean I guess kind of what it
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took for that voiceover is like it's
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about drawing lines right it's about
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like you know the sort of classic hero
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trope of will you sink to the level of
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your enemies will you become your
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enemies
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you know I i took it is more
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metaphorical than necessarily literal
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that she is going to like oh maybe this
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is about her turning into a villain or
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something I i don't think i don't know
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if you're ready for that in a Star Wars
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movie yes we had like the whole Anakin
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Skywalker goes bad for three movies and
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really hits with always he's really
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angry is really something i don't know
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he's a spatula
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but you know we all knew that was coming
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ahead of time right and so I'm not sure
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we're ready for like a movie where we're
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supposed to sympathize with his
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character who then it turns out to be
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evil or something that doesn't strike me
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as the kind of us it seems like a nun
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Star Wars story for the rest of
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everything else that's been set up here
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which is that this is very much like a
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on a mission movie right like this is
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you know someone who might have some
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questionable methods you know more of a
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han Solo than Luke Skywalker but i don't
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think that I don't know it seems a
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little 224 shadowy in a weird way for me
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so i will float one idea which is I I've
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heard sort of banter downed and is Curie
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curiosity making for me is that I think
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it's very much i'm on a mission movie
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but there's nothing to say that there
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are casualties in the on the mission
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movies there's nothing to say that she
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doesn't somehow get entrapped in the
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empire when i watch this my first
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thought is was basically oh they are
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taking all of the seeds that Mara Jade
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style characters dropped in the EU and
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they're putting it into a much more
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beneficial use I and it's it maybe oh
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well this may go for a dark place where
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we doing this in an anthology film but
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there's also the possibility what if
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this character has connections to other
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characters in non anthology films how
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how might that connect and wouldn't it
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be interesting if this character does
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have a history with the Empire I didn't
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understand a lot of what you said there
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because i don't know what the deal is
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with Mara Jade in the EU so if you even
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if you could and I imagine a lot of
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other people don't either can expand
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upon that I just I don't know we I don't
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get the reference so sorry Mara Jade
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Mara Jade in the EU I was a basically
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one of the one of the premier badass
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lady characters for sensitive but not
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super Jedi ends up being is a smuggler
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for many years also ends up working
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directly for Palpatine essentially is a
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as a not quite a Jedi not quite a bounty
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hunter bieber's hand yeah yeah exactly
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as they you say something like that the
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Emperor's handed people who probably
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haven't read the EU books are like I
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don't even know what that means i get
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from continuity lost his hand
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yeah she goes around doing the Empire
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the Emperor's dirty work and I don't
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think that jen is supposed to be as a
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stand-in for firmar Jade I she's very
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much your own character but i wouldn't
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be surprised if they dip into some of
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her backstory to to build this character
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because it they have a wealth of it and
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mara jade was hugely beloved character
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but I'm but less less so much of like
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again an exact 121 ideal of and more
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hey if we have you know this the strong
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female character who might have some
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tinges of gray and gareth edwards has
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already described this movie is very
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gray the the theory that I've heard
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popping round is what if this is Ray's
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mother or what if this is someone in in
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some way related
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did to the main anthology films who does
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either go not necessarily go dark but
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this is a way i don't know if this is
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just crazy out-of-left-field it might be
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but if this ends up being a a turn to
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the dark side whether force or not is
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involved
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this might be a way to reach to tell the
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story they actually wanted to tell with
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episode 3 but do it in a more nuanced an
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interesting way like someone's someone's
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fall from greater dark in and with a
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character that we don't quite have so
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much capital H history / but who may
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become relevant in this secondary
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trilogy no idea is that it may be way
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out of left field but that's like having
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watch this trailer multiple times I I
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get the I get a kind of very off-putting
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feeling from it if they try to do that
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and have have her father are I would
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want to see her in more movies like I
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wouldn't want this yeah the only movie
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that she's in but if you're gonna see
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her in more movies like they're not
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starting a parallel saga these anthology
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always are supposed to be like one of
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those and one of these and they're in
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the universe and so I have trouble
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believing that they're going to start
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down that path
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I mean just do they do another spin-off
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series and be like oh now that was this
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is the gym story like i don't think you
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can get that all out in a single movie
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where you introduce the character and
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bring them along that entire rpi think
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all you can do it in and a single heist
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movie is have her be like have the the
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darkness be uh you're going to do your
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mission at all costs what do you
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consider all costs like do you you know
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the good-guy thing is always some member
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of your of your ragtag crew gets injured
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like everything is about saving them and
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she could be ruthless and saying you
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know the mission is what's important you
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know I have to go on I have to sacrifice
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you I'll do whatever it takes to get the
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mission done and that's the like are you
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becoming like your enemy what will you
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do to get this mission and how important
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is this how ruthless will you be
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is that why you were chosen for this
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mission because you were the most
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ruthless person who is who won't be
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sentimental you know that because which
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is staring into the camera that i have
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seen she just she looks pretty ruthless
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like she's not like I'm hiding them in
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disguise she looks ruthless yeah i agree
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with you John and I kind of hope that
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they don't that's
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really go down the array route if only
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because I feel like I mean if someone is
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on record for also hoping that she's not
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like Luke Skywalker's daughter or
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whatever it again what we talked about a
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people and for conflict and all these
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different players in this game and so in
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directly related to all those things
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the way they go that and they can do it
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big story that's about like good and
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terms but rather perhaps in more the
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subtextual ways where everybody is
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related to each other and everybody
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recording when I showed this trailer to
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my kids my daughter and I explained like
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where this fits timewise in the saga
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everything my daughter's first question
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supposed to be right before a new hope
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and she's the important person in this
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movie where why do I not see here in a
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new upgrade you know just it and it is a
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sensible question a sensible answer she
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dies in this movie filling her mission
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or something else or she turns better
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obvious but the the story in universe
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explaining it to a young child answer is
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like well what yep
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where is she and over she's super
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important she did a good job for the
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rebels she retire having done hermitian
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well and just you know hang out on the
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beach without the ads for rent for the
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duration of the other three movies does
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she go bad and has to be deleted
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you know like yeah so that these these
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think like it does depend on
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these movies go to the fifties anthology
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movies with the exception of one beer
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like I'm gonna tell boba fett story or
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whatever like we know what his deal is
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new stories I feel like especially
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because i don't have no idea what the
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plan is after episode 9 any one of these
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anthology movies can be blessed I feel
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good the movie is and how much more they
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think there is held to say alright we're
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going to do another trilogy and it's
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going to be focusing on whatever the
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most popular anthology set of characters
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was right because if you want to tell
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the story about the marriage type story
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that would make a great one but that
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definitely has to be more than one movie
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because that's that's that's like a
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traditional star wars 3 movie arc where
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you go somewhere with it i also I'm i
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want to say this knowing full well that
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we are in the midst of a podcast that
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analyzing a less than two minutes
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trailer but i would say i think it's
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over thinking a little bit too to ask if
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she's a betraying them at the end I
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of the things she has to do and the the
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trailer wants to leave us with a little
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worried there but this is this is very
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clearly in my mind her going essentially
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posing as somebody in the Empire to do
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this job and I think the interesting
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thing about where she is in in Star Wars
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and thereafter is one of the things i
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general which is you know everybody
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could die at the end of this right and
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sacrificing themselves in a you know in
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a way that leads to the defeat of the of
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the the Death Star the explosion at the
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death star and I i think that makes that
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really raises the stakes and and it
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could be that you know the reason we
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don't see her in any of the other movies
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is that she doesn't make it out of this
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alive and and you know whether wherever
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she might be and I think that's I think
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that's an interesting thing and they're
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not bound by you know the kind of I
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think what we were talking about there
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is that they're not bound by e this is
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our stories always been like that the
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hero's journey story right like there's
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a template for it it's very like I
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couldn't drive exactly but like there is
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a pattern to it and we're going off-book
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now because we're doing a story that is
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necessarily about that traditional epic
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mythological heroes journey anymore and
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so because i feel like you know in the
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hero's journey where everybody dies at
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the end there's something ghostly
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unsatisfying like that but in a on a
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mission movie that takes place during a
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war yeah
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yes everyone can totally die like that's
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totally think that's not what we've
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grown to expect from Star Wars is like a
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brand and that's what makes it so
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interesting to go off-book in this way
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is can we tell us Star Wars story or a
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story set in the star wars universe
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that's not like a quote on quote Star
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Wars story like what we've come to
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expect that you can do it as long as
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because we know what happens after so
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you can still kill everybody off like
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why don't we go see that movie they you
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know yes you see it in their mission but
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every character cared about you just
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going to end on a scene where someone's
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like you know handing it off to like
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Princess Leia you see from the back or
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something like the idea they bleed into
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like and everyone realizes that because
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they succeeded therefore a new hope
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right and so you have so you can have
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some hopeful note at the end showing how
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their work has made possible the rest of
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the saga and you can't do that if people
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don't know like everything that comes
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after it so I they have a lot of options
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to end this movie in a way that you
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could not end it really was like there
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were no other star wars movie just
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making one movie about it like a a heist
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movie and maybe you can do it like in a
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Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs style
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but like a high school here everybody
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dies at the end is definitely not a star
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wars type thing is not even like a
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typical Hollywood type thing and it's
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very sort of more art house sort of
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nihilistic grim type of stuff but you
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can get you can get away with it here
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now because you know it's going to turn
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out ok yeah i mean i feel like that's
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another card in the this might not you
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know I don't think things are going to
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turn out sunshine and roses because
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you're infiltrating a you know the
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Empire to go steal some plans but I feel
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like it's a it's a good road to
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potential greatness to maybe people you
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know not everybody gets out alive but i
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don't think they're going to introduce
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their how their heroin just to kill her
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happening to gym we just don't know what
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of her final future but it's in
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it's a very interesting way to structure
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the trailer and I i also think that the
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people who are looking at it just
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transparently being like oh well James
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black black sleeves and she's like the
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glowing halo around her so clearly
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they're trying to pull in the the you
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know the hunger games franchise watchers
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connection to the hunger gasps come on
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our games don't have don't have
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capsule-shaped lights on the walls a
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star wars we talk about clearly i think
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they just distracted by the fact that
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they see a woman in an action movie in
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the only template they have to go by is
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like has it ever happened before in the
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history of the universe i guess the
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know it that's called like not enough
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data points for you to make any sort of
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oh yeah got it
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it is not as beautiful it's a beautiful
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it really is I i love it too i love the
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I love the Star Wars you know the bright
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lights and the the white lights and and
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the that blacks and shiny black
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gentleman and a black reflections on the
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shiny parts of the the front of her
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uniform there it's just uh that's that's
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that's a star wars art style that i
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really like this is the reason why you
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have the workmen at Pinewood Studios
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build you like practical sets for these
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things but in this day and age there's
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no reason they could've done that all in
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cg I suppose yet it's like Hollins
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helmet in the force awakens when you did
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the whole scene with that was smoke with
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this with his helmet off and they decide
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later they were like his helmet on and
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they just put a helmet on and nobody
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so now the other the point where they're
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fooling me and so Mike all bets are off
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real or not
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oh good good grief so 401 a Star Wars
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story is where is revealed as the title
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at the end of this where we reach the
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end of the trailer so I'm interested to
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know your thoughts of anticipation about
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the movie as well as this title which is
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interesting that it's a Star Wars story
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a little k week a quick point on the
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yes because i always have to bring up
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the music well not at the end here we
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get the we get the two parts of played
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simultaneously in like a piano is at the
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beginning to yeah we so basically we get
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the force theme in a sort of a very slow
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yeah and I think that's part of the
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reason you know people were talking on
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twitter about this because I mentioned
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you know so Alexander display that I
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think is the has the enviable task
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following john williams in scoring
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live action star wars movie which is you
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know a big deal it's unclear whether or
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not he wrote this music trailer music
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often done by other people but people
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were going like well does this cheap and
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it had like the force team done with
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this if this really isn't about like the
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Jedi and Sith or whatever say well we
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don't we don't know that there could be
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a force is that a person in here be I
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put in that minor key and if it sounds
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sound like a star wars the right no big
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brassy orchestra here this movie open
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the stars in the theme it yeah I don't
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that music I think you have to open this
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move is something different i don't know
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what the hell you do open it with that
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is a bold choice
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well you can open with the Star Wars you
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and land like a fanfare but maybe no
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ma'am maybe no crawl I don't know
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anything
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maybe the maybe the template is a clone
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wars and rebels which both hearken to
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that but have their own slightly
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different arrangements
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yeah and and clone wars has a very has a
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slightly different arrangement of the
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Star Wars theme and then often has like
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a quote but no crawl but it does do the
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like Star Wars logo that fades into the
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background so I think maybe maybe
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something like that where you kind of
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take it and twisted and make it your own
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yeah but I guessing that whatever the
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anthology movies are they will be
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consistent to each other
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yeah I feel like this movie can't start
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with the it can't start with a sort of
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the Star Wars theme because this trailer
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does not feel like a trailer for a movie
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that i would expect to start with that
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musical theme regardless of whether the
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crawler regards to run the logo fade
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into the distance that theme is the Star
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Wars saga theme that fits perfectly on
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the force awakens but does not fit on a
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movie like the one of this trailer is
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for like it i think if they did it would
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feel like forced or weird because they
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would do that and then that movie
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follows it is not you know me another
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thing is not Star Wars but it's like how
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else do you differentiate anthology I'm
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like you know this Star Wars story movie
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just to screw with us it's going to
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start with the 20 Century Fox fanfare
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yeah let's not use that I think that's
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still fine
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well so what are the two wrap this up
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what a wonder your what are your
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expectations now having seen the trailer
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what are you thinking about this movie
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let's start with dan well I'm on record
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as being a big fan of the automation
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movies and I wrote a little bit about
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this incited the Guns of Navarone where
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Eagles dare Dirty Dozen and i think a
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Star Wars movie that also plays in that
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sandbox to me just sounds awesome like
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that that's the kind of thing i'd love
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to write is just a you know purely sort
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of on a mission-driven ragtag band of
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misfits and this is fits perfectly i
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think and i think was one of the reasons
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they started with it even though it does
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feel like a downer is that that idea of
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a of a plot works really well with Star
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Wars especially with this particular
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story that they fold out here
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so I I like John I'm sort of curious as
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to how this looks like or does not look
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like a are the star wars movies that
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we've come to know so far and I'm really
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intrigued by the prospect of a
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standalone star wars movie in which you
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know you're not gonna have three movies
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to do all the heavy-lifting you got to
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do a lot of stuff and you got to do it
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in like two and a half hours probably
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and so that sounds super interesting to
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me i'm really looking forward to this i
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really like that they've Lucasfilm I
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think he's had a light touch on the
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marketing so far we've had essentially
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11 officials picture and a teaser and
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were like not for little more than six
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months out like can you imagine a Star
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Wars movie that you didn't know anything
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about until about six months out like
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that seems just doing the impossible to
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believe in the state agent so I like
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that i'm i'm sure we will see something
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else before it comes out but I would
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also be totally okay if we did like if
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this was all we got and then that movie
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opens in december i would be there on
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day one so I I'm you know it doesn't
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take much to sell me on the Star Wars
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obviously but I see nothing in this to
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sort of convince me that this will not
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be a movie that i enjoy reading what do
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you think I think that this is one of
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the better trailers that star wars that
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the folks look at some cut in a while I
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it gives just the just enough
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information to make me really really
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genuinely excited and I think there's
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something a little bit different in this
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then the force awakens trailer at the
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force awakens has that sort of new Star
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Wars trilogy so much is riding on this
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where road one their cues to the past
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are much more subtle in in the case of
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Mon Mothma it's a it's a very strange
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version of subtle and almost eerie
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version of subtle I but it feels much
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more lived-in universe we don't get a
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lot of shiny new we don't get a we don't
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get things that we necessarily haven't
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seen before
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instead we get we've got this
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these grimy sets right we've got
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different stormtroopers we've got new
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characters but it feels very lived-in it
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feels very much like I don't know like
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like you're sitting down to dinner with
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window with with with an old friend it
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feels very episode 4 but not in a way
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not in a knot in a mosh way just this is
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it feels like we're just diving into
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Star Wars and telling a portion of the
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story and that's that's really exciting
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to me I i love tradition like the
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original trilogy and heist movies are
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fantastic
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Felicity Jones looks like she's going to
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be an incredible addition to the
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Lucasfilm actor stable as as forest
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whitaker and everyone else that they've
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cast and like dan i hope that i actually
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don't see anything else besides walking
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the theater I cannot believe that we're
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so close to the movie actually coming
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out nearly seven months something like
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that and Marvel is going to release a
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prequel Mary miniseries in October which
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I'm kind of like I don't know if I want
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to read that before or after but I i
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feel i almost might be more excited for
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lit for felicity jones character that I
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was for ray which I'm a little shocked
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by just did the great characters
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interests me more
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yeah she'sshe's somebody with a history
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which makes it very different from Ray
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who essentially has no history or at
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least no history that we've seen or are
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told about rr-really or is necessary to
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know about are bland hero right but yeah
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like Ray was very much like Luke in that
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way yeah and Jan is not no one yeah it
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feels like on like someone who's had
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some you know had some battles one's won
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some lost some damaged and now has a job
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to do so that's a very satisfied going
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to buy real I I feel like we're
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projecting onto rate because she fits
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into the beginning part of Luke's story
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we extrapolate and say oh and then
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she'll go through just looking through
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and be trampled in the end the same way
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Luke was but we have realistic we have
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no idea
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so you so bad I just put that aside that
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like it's so clearly like you know our
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look here but there's no reason they
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can't take a different direction so for
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this movie
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my my overall feeling is kinda like a
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distinct feeling the force awakens but I
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feel even more strongly here is that up
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the trailer and all this stuff about it
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like we look at it
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you know I just our star wars centuries
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just light up because it's just so it
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looks so amazing and saying look it
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looks like we imagine start looks like
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house how a new hope looked in our
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imagination because everything is so
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sharp and beautiful and detailed and
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like they don't have the budget
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limitations that they had back then and
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we have this amazing technology and we
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can we can do anything within this
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universe it's like it's like what you
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see in your head while reading a book
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about star wars because there's no
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there's no limitations anymore you can
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do anything but the people who make this
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movie have to i really hope they do i
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make it as in a way that makes them
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forget that they were you know we're
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starting out on third base because it's
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Star Wars like you've got x-wings you've
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got you've got the death star you've got
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started you have you've got all this
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pretend you have to pretend you don't
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because this is why the force awakens
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works is because they like they used all
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that stuff and they used it as well as
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they possibly could but even if you
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strip all that away it's still just been
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playing fundamentally a good movie
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so if they just concentrate on making a
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good whatever kind of movies is if it's
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a heist movie a spy movie a movie about
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personal betrayal and we're about like
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the darkness of combat whatever movie
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they think they're making pretend you
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don't have any Star Wars IP and make
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that a good movie and then add stars IP
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and that's how you get something like
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the force awakens that has to have a
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good script is that good performances
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the story has to make sense and be good
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and then on top of that it has to be
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star wars and that's I think even more
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important for the anthology anthology
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films these star war stories is they
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have to be solid stories and because
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they're not going to be like the
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attitude you know the saga stories
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they're going to be different kinds so
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you know I think that's why it's a good
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idea to get all sorts of different kinds
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of directors and I just really hope that
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everybody involved like a race is the
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star wars part of it in their mind when
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assessing you know like do we have a
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movie in the same with like Pixar's
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gonna do everything storyboards were you
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know it's just a bunch of drawings on
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paper you don't have any cg at all maybe
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you haven't even modeled anything you
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have to look at it in that form and say
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there's a good story now add all the CG
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and gloss and water effects and whatever
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else you're going to do because that
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doesn't make your movie so that's my
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hope for this movie because it if i
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watch it and it's like that and I
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say if this wasn't star wars did you
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disappointing not that disappointing
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because again it's anthology movie I i
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give them wide latitude to do you know
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interesting things but i just want this
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to be a good movie in whatever genre
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they wanted to be and then if its star
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wars on top of that i will just be
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like you said earlier the pressures off
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a little bit about star wars because
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force awakens was good and I do i do
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room were actually asking this John
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because the pressures off do you not
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care about like seeing a full trailer
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when it drops in a few months or do you
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have a have you set your policy for this
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the force awakens as well like I just
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didn't watch the trailer and I'm glad it
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and watch the travel that trailer that
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the final the real official force
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awakens trailer i think it's fabulous
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trailer and I'm glad it and watch it
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because it brings just a little bit too
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much stuff for me but in many respects
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I you know I know what happens in this
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movie I know I know they're going to get
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the plans at the end and i'm assuming
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the trailer is not going to ruin like
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all of you watched last trail you find
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out she dies in the end like that
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they're not going to ruin that
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so i'm i i'm not going to say whether
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i'm gonna watch the final trailer not
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would watch it but i think i'll probably
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checking out and not actually watch the
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trailer trailer especially with so
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little time to go I just still just a
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teaser as well everything else though
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i'm not going to seek out information
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I'm not reading the internet and we're
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not trying to find out i found out what
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happens the gym no I don't wanna know
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you should you should stay off the
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internet between now just ever so eight
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months December this movie comes out in
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December another star wars movie feels
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like we just have one because we just
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did another one here counted all right i
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think that i think that does it for this
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we want why not go into a second hour
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now what we're going to do it free a
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frame-by-frame trailer analysis of Star
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Wars uh broke one a Star Wars story I'd
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like to thank my guests for joining me
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to do this analysis dan more'n calling
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in from far-off lands thanks for being
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my pleasure and i guess i'll see you
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guys in December live long and prosper
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no no Jason certainly calls well thank
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you thank you very much and what will
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you become in this wheat Jason will you
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become that's a good question i might
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become an ad at on a on a sandy beach
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keep you just getting some Sun sipping a
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drink with an umbrella in it
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yeah that's right i'm sure there's a pun
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to be made there but I'm not gonna make
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it John syracuse thank you for being
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here force will be with you always but
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not necessarily with anyone else but we
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can't really tell you it's too early to
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okay thanks everybody out there for
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listening to this impromptu trailer
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analysis addition to be uncomfortable we
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will see you next time
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