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00:00:35 ◼   ► incomparable number 297 April 2060 [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► incomparable this is one of our episodes [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► where we are walking through all of the [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► films of hayao miyazaki the great [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► japanese animation director we have [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► talked about of course kiki's delivery [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► service and my neighbor totoro we are [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► talking in this episode about nineteen [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► eighty-four years [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► Masika of the valley of the wind now [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► again we did back when the incomparable [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► hadn't done almost 300 episodes and we [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► thought we could do like all of the joss [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► whedon TV shows in one episode we did an [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► episode about miyazaki yeah i thought we [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► were young and stupid test an episode [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► and we talked about it briefly then but [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► now we're going back because you know [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► these podcasts are going to post [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► themselves and we're gonna talk about [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► them individually you know a couple [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► years so an Oscar the valley of the wind [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► is what we talked about this time let me [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► tell you who's on the miyazaki club [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► you heard him he's complaining already [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► it's steve lots hi Steve I'm not [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► complaining I'm just pointing out how [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► doubt naive we were to think we could [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► get through such fine works in yeah it's [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► help [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► it's true also this nut tastes really [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► weird that's my favorite line i wrote [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► again from this movie this nut tastes [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► really weird Eric and sign was laughing [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► head strange notes about the taste of [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► nuts [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► hi hello I'm happy you finally got into [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► my favorite miyazaki movie [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► oh very nice admittedly actually seen [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► that many of them so maybe it's a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► slightly skewed sample all right Colleen [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► Sims is also out there hello and welcome [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► to miyazaki club i think there are more [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► seeds the nuts and I don't know it [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► looked like couscous or something where [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► I know he just in the end he says this [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► not taste really weird [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yes she said it's not it's good for you [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► because it right okay interesting [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► exchange good he can eat a boot full of [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I and wouldn't be miyazaki club without [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► John siracusa hello i'm assuming we'll [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► all get our own fox squirrels at the end [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► of this episode my yarn over here [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► yeah i'm looking forward to the fox [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► squirrels appearance in the upcoming [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► Ratchet and Clank movie 20 years [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► I'm with yes ok he looks just like [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► ratchet our client rather know Rachel [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► whatever so 1984 it's a it's not secure [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► its postapocalyptic barren want to [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► bugs there are some ostriches that are [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► written here let me let me just do the [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► opening [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► I know it's gonna seem like this you're [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► gonna do everything step-by-step i'm not [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► i just want to say a few words about the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► very you know we've done the credits and [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's that the opening sequence so John [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► this is not an opening statement is a [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► statement about the opening right [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► exactly like yeah you're not gonna it's [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► not like we're not going to an opening [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► statement to a good fellows and go [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► through this thing has seen a time but I [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► feel like the way this movie opens is [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► just so so wonderful starting from the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► credits of here to talk about with this [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► sort of the backstory given to you in a [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► compressed way with the beautiful mural [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► murals changing to the the live-action [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► corporate you know animation of a [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► present-day I'm racinos ago flying if [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you've seen the movie before you know it [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► is on little flying wind wing and she [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► lands and she's wandering through this [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► weird looking at you know forest or [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► jungle or whatever her face is entirely [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► covered something that they did and uh [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► and the force awakens as well [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► goggles mask everything you can't even [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► tell anything about this person and they [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► do like a slow reveal where eventually [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► she pulls up the goggles and you can see [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► her eyes and she does some more stuff [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► and then yeah she's there with the quiet [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► moment on top of the home shell which is [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► yet another instance of my my emblematic [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► of all the anime that I like possibly [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► emblematic of all anime moment where [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► it's a quiet moment where she is sitting [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► under the Home shell and the the spores [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► which was like snow we're just falling [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► and it is dead silent and there's me and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► you can choose which is just watching [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► the stuff all that is in the same slot [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► as looking up through the water droplets [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► in your diving goggles in ghost in the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► shell or Kiki sitting on the hill [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► listening to the radio with the wind [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► blowing at them in the beginning of [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► kiki's delivery service that everything [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► we had like seat has to have that moment [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► where it's quiet reflection no music no [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► sound effects and some beautiful scene [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► involving nature and of course she hears [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► the you know thing going on and goes off [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► to to save Lord yuba which is our first [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► major act in the movie aside from [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► finding the shell is saving this of this [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► old guy who supposedly the world's best [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► swordsman and then at the end of that [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► scene you finally get the full reveal of [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► not just her eyes but her entire face [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and her hair and she sort of exuberantly [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► tears off her mask and runs over and [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► give them a big [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► ugh i think that whole intro of leading [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► you into who this character is bit by [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► bit while showing you that for the rest [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► of this movie [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► not only will she be the center of it [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► she's got her name in the title after [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► all but she will be driving the action [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► like she does things it everything that [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► happens in this movie that has any [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► consequences because of her for the most [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► part and she started throwing out right [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► away of like I'm going to go I'm gonna [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► find the shell I'm gonna save this [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► character i'm going to bring this fox [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► world home and that's one of the things [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► i love about this movie and one of the [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► reasons i was one of the first [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► Miyazaki's i showed my children even [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► though there are you know a couple of [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► rough / scary parts where they were [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► scared of the bugs for a little bit is [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► because it shows in a matter-of-fact way [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► a unconventional character being [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► essentially a conventional hero without [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► making a big deal about it [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► I do kind of love that that she is [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► revealed so slowly at the beginning that [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you don't really know open who she is or [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► her age which I guess her age maybe a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► little iffy overall even by the end of [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► the movie but but yeah that it's not [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► revealed you don't quite get an idea of [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► how young she is I don't think she's [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► young and she sounds until until quite a [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► later on and what you're really seeing [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► is how capable and competent she is this [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► is a character who truly kicks ass and I [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► mean you know it's not to the point [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► where she's being a killing the hell out [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► of guys left and right yet but we're [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► still seeing her be pretty awesome at [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the beginning [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► yeah that's that's one of the first [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► things that I appreciated about the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► movie and because it's been a few years [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► since i've watched it like since my [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► husband and I got together in 2007 it's [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► a long time and and so I didn't remember [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► a lot of it and she's prepared like [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► she's prepared and she's smart and she's [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► resourceful and you can tell that like [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► we don't have the story on her yet but [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► we can tell that people depend on her to [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► do things like all right in the first I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► don't know three minutes and and I think [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► that's pretty amazing and that's one of [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► the things that Miyazaki does so well is [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► establishing a strong female characters [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► immediately are almost immediately [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► yeah you get to see her taking the the [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► Gunpowder out of a show [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► sprinkle it around to be able to break [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► that home sweetie Mythbusters on that [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► because I said I wouldn't work [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► Mythbusters get yourself items LOL [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► Michelle I'm sure yeah [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► step 1 I think hotels are extra [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► susceptible to the particular type of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► gun powder that they use in the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic few miles ahead Kevin [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► very nice [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► yeah so the the other angle on her being [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► a person of action and like you know [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► she's doing things she's not that she is [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► driving the plot is that the the thing [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that she does saving this this great [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► swordsman because he was in trouble and [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► she saves him again all matter of fact [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► she saves him like this movie emphasizes [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► many many many times that heroism does [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► not equal quote-unquote manliness right [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► she doesn't kill the ohm ok that's not [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► how she achieves victory over over the [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► the in section that the job to be nice [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► to save the person she resolves the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► conflict by calming leone down right and [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► sending him back into the same thing [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► with with the fox squirrel the Fox [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► world's cute she wants to pet it it you [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► know it's freaking out it's scared and [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► bites her she resolves that conflict not [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► by teaching the fox squirrel who's boss [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► or having the Fox girl come to respect [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► her as the you know the alpha or [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► whatever she does it by calming and it's [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► not again [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► they don't hit you over the head with it [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► but almost every conflict but it with [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► her interaction in that conflict is to [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► try to do something good which is the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► good guy right try to save people say [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► people who might even be your enemy or [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► whatever and to resolve conflict [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► conflict between people who are acting [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► out of fear and she is [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► I mean it's not that she doesn't have [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► fear she has a GS fear she has anger but [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► she's always trying to de-escalate and I [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and that's the other thing about this is [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► like she has put in normal situations [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and she has to be the hero but she [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► doesn't do the stereotypical like [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► physical dominance manly macho solution [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► to these problems she is not a killing [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► machine she's not even the world's best [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► swordsman she can barely lift the sword [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that she uses an anger later in the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► movie actually she's a pretty solid [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► killing machine [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► yeah traditional three is you just shied [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► away from it because she doesn't want to [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► be a killer which I think if it even [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► more admirable than not being able to do [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► in the first place she wanted the only [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► problem that I have with the characters [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► she's almost too competent he never [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► really makes a misstep I'm the closest [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► thing to a mr. [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► is that she gets a little overwrought i [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► guess you could say when her father is [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► killed and she kills a bunch of dudes [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► and then she realizes that was a mistake [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► but I mean almost every choice she makes [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► is the right choice in this film but not [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► not obviously so because there's a [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► particular scene later and then when [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► she's taken hostage like she's going to [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► be one of the volunteer hostages or [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► whatever and all the little girls in the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► village like oh no don't go we look up [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► to you so on and so forth right and [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► she's like oh it's okay i'll be back in [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► she's calming them down that's when they [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► give her the bad to bring her there sack [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► of nuts yes right and they go so well [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► thing and she's all smiles and then she [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► gets on the plane and the music cue when [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► she gets onto that plane is the most [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► discordant note in the entire movie and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you realize she's putting a brave face [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► on this but she understands and all the [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► adults understanding you the viewer now [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► meant understand that most likely she's [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► not coming back she's gonna be dead like [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► or everyone the villagers can be there [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► she's gonna be that if you're never [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► going to see anyone again so it's not as [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► if she glides through this movie as if [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► the victory is certain and they try to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► emphasize that by saying things are [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► going badly and she's putting a brave [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► face on it but she understands this is [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► what the situation is now she's she's [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► able to you know endure but she's a very [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► sort of she has a lot of perseverance [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► and and gusto and she's and I have a [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► tight and I have a day of however young [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► she is but she has a dark moments to [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► when she's down there in her little [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► thing with her with her weird little [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► plants and she understands that things [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► are going badly for her whole valley and [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► chances are everybody she knows [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► including herself could soon be dead [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► yeah I I actually like the fact that she [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► is so near infallible in this movie [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► because it's just it is a joy for me to [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► watch it and I'd like sometimes I just [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► like a little bit of escapism and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► escapism for me at its best is where I [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► have something like this where there's a [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► character who you know sometimes bad [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► things happen to them but it comes out [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► all right in the end and there's [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► somebody that can really identify with [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► and and feel good about identifying with [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► because they're they're doing the right [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► thing pretty much all the time and that [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► the dark moments she has are really more [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► of self doubt and fear of the future and [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► that is something that i think probably [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► everybody can relate to i know i [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► certainly can [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► so so that the dark patches that she has [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► to go through our things that [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► a little bit more relatable to me then [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► making a choice that goes really poorly [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► for her kingdom because you know I'm not [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► a princess does she have to be princess [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► by the way that was one of the things i [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► was thinking is like princesses [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► apparently all the women in the story [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► princesses that gets the car question [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that I have towards the middle of my [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► notes here that we can address any time [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► which is the the central question this [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► movie does nozzle live in a patriarchy [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► yeah I don't know I don't know I just [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► had that Disney Princess moment of like [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► well of course she's great and she's a [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► princess but I'm not sure she needs to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► be at any point in the story other than [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► fact that she's in her father gets [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► killed but I mean I'm not sure that was [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► I just it seemed to me like almost like [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► extra that wasn't didn't need to be [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► there that she was oh she's not only all [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► these great things but yes of course [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► she's also the princess [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► why don't necessarily marks her as as [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► inferior so much as if it just points [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► out the fact that she's kind of a leader [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► amongst your people as is Keshawn is a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► is a princess as well right I'm gonna [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► tell usually a leader like that's what [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► I'm saying like it in the movie [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► obviously nautical thinks of herself as [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► just another person but how does [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► everyone else treat how it is she living [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► in a world that is essentially the to [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► treat women as lesser look at all the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► other women and in their village what [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► are they doing what are their jobs [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► what is their role in the society [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► obviously she's the daughter of the king [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► and so she's an important person she is [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► respected and of course people respect [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► and look up to her [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► mostly because she's a good person but [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► at various points in the movie like when [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► the plane crashes and they're like [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► everyone to the the plane crash site [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► even the boy is gonna blow my nose isn't [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► all hands on deck to help rescue no one [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► considers having the women company later [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► the way you know the women they're all [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► they're not in like you know that [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► headscarves are covered mostly covered [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► up and they're mostly carrying around [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► food or children and yet here's nautica [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► living in this world which is not a [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► world where it's like oh we're all equal [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► here and we have lots of people in this [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► village were just like nautica she is [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► sort of out of I feel like she is out of [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► step with the sort of rebuilding feudal [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► society that is coming from the ashes of [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► the world and she's essentially living [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► in a typical disney princess world but [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► she is not conforming to the disney [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► princess stereotype and for the most [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► part the other people in her village the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► village let her get away with it like we [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► don't see anyone [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► pooping her are trying to keep her down [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► like they encourage her to do things [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► but every other woman I say is I I don't [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► feel like she needs to be a princess [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► feel like it's like oh and on top of her [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► being this amazing person who goes out [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► into the waste lands and salvages things [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► from the own which are your it's funny [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► that you mentioned ray and star wars [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► because boy that it really is quite [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► similar isn't it mom [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► they that she oh and did I mention she's [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► also the princess of the valley it's [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► like really she needs to be that that [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► was my only point is like she's so [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► awesome as it is it's like of course [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► she's also the princess she's got all [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► the things I me maybe to get in a little [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► bit tense deeper i think perhaps what [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► John was saying actually leads to what [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► you're saying Jason the fact that this [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► is sort of a patriarchy and it really [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► does seem to be I mean you also get the [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► scene later where she is saved by the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► women of the sheet society who are [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► trapped you know together it's just [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► women and children right now [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► yeah so the fact that she is her [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► father's daughter that she is the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► princess of the town means that she has [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► had the freedom to develop all of these [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► cool skills and run away on her glider [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and explore the forest and and all that [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► kind of stuff [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► perhaps if she wasn't a princess she [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► would have gotten to do any of that [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► stuff we wouldn't have a movie on first [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that's true and also her being used as a [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► hostage right it makes sense as a as a [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► even her father is killed here makes [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► sense that you that's what happens [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► oftentimes to the the girl children of [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► royalty in these sorts of situations [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► right as they they're the ones who end [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► up being used as the hostages so she has [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► chosen to go off with the other hostages [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► at that point in the movement but all [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► the other hostages are men like if you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► look at there are no other women dressed [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► like she is in her village where all the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► other women dressed in these sort of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► like house dresses and there are there [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► interfer out in the fields or whatever [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► she is dressed not necessarily like a [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► man but unique now again she's the hero [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► of the movie she's going to stand out so [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► on and so forth but she is [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► I like that because the way she acts is [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► it is it setting an example of saying [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► you may live in a society that is [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► regressive or backwards which makes [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► sense because you know the world was [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► destroyed thousand years ago and you're [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► just rebuilding Society and you know [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► it's a monarchy and there's you know [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► hereditary rule and now that your father [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the first thing they do when they go [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► there they run right up and kill the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► King guy because the whole idea ask [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► and the guys in charge and you gotta cut [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you know sever the head and that that [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► would essentially end and her chances of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► you know even if it she survived that [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► she's not going to be in charge of [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► anything anymore right because the yet [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► when taking notes the father is killed [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► it's not like she's going to take over [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► because you can have a woman in charge [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► but she is so out of step with that and [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that's that's something i like it and [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► these kind of movies I like to feel like [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► not that it's realistic is all made up [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► fantasy stuff but like to show an unjust [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► world and someone overcoming that rather [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► than showing like Oh everybody's all [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► equal and that's why we can have all [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► these heroes who are on conventional to [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► show here's an unconventional hero who [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► is forced to live who has found a way [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► somehow to do this great thing and you [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► know maybe it's like a you know like you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► said escape is in fantasy found a way to [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► be like this seemingly against all odds [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► within a society that is even more sort [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► of backwards than the one you're [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► currently living in I don't know how [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► much it make up there at least the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► valley of the wind being backwards [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► because it's clear that once Geale is [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► dead that they all look to her as the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► under the men and the women both well [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► she's great at everything well she's [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► great at everything that's true but the [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► other princesses is in charge of the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► officer kind of only gets to freelance [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► when she's not around so she's yeah [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► right i mean it clear that these [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► societies have formed in a traditional [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► patriarchal way and that there's a [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► division of labor and the men are the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► ones doing the heavy lifting the hard [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► labor the same thing with sean i think i [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► did the woman with the armor and [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► everything comes she and that's another [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► miyazaki drop of having having the big [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► bad be a woman to but again she is [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► clearly an exception like it's an army [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► full of men she's leading men or second [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► command is a man in the only reason [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► she's in charge because she's so [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► exceptional exceptional she's royal [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► right i think i think that this is the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► case where the royalty part goes above [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► the whose and you know many men and [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► women part right it will first is [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► royalty and then there's men and then [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► there's women and so she's royalty and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► so she's up on apartment on the top and [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► she's really good at what she does and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► she is now clearly been through a lot [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► and and survived LOL you know one of her [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► only comments about that is the fact [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► that the you know whoever she takes as a [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► husband eventually it's going to see [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► worse [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► that's where the attitudes of the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► scriptwriters sneak through and [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► we're little ways like there are always [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► those little comments you like but that [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► doesn't seem to fit all but that was [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► taken is so conventional that it would [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► never you know in like you two years [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► passed and you realize that so that's a [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► that's a weird way to frame that what [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► she really is that how she would frame [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► this i don't think the character would [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► but the man who is writing the character [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► certainly did [TS]

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00:20:15 ◼   ► in the opening sequence at the first few [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► scenes the movie where she's out in the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► desert and and end in the and then she [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► finds the shell and she charms the ohm [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► who's angry and past the red eyes and [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► all of that there is a whole lot of [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► dialogue of one person talking to nobody [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► explaining everything that happens and [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that I I feel like for all the strength [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► of the visuals of that part of the movie [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► and the world-building I think it's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► really interesting and and like the bugs [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► just 20 my fascinate I could kind of [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► I kind of want a screensaver of just the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► ohms just kinda like zipping along [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► because it's they're fascinating but the [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► dialogue is like just yeah I I moment I [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► found it really painful like we're just [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► gonna dump all of this out without you [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► i'm just a character talking to the air [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► hey let me tell you about the life that [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► I'm leaving and I thought that was that [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► was not so not so strong [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► yeah I don't know the progeny of this [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► film whether it started as a manga or [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► did what [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► but yeah that makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► because there's so much unexplored [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► backstory in this thing it feels like [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► much longer source material like a like [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► an entire set of manga I don't know what [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► they called series in that particular [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► form but or our full season of a TV [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► series that just got compressed down [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► into movie length and it's just that [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► there's so many unanswered questions and [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► I don't think there's any way to [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► approach it i guess other than to dump [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► it all at the front [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► nobody needs that they need to establish [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the minimum i think they did they did a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► really good job of not overdoing it in [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► terms of like how many lines are there [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and how much space is there between [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► there is the whole opening which is [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► almost speech three but they do have to [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► get a few points that you have to [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► understand that this place is poison if [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► you breathe you'll die because that's [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► going to become important later for the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► plot you have to understand that these [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► things are big bugs and that they're not [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► necessarily enemies of the humans but [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► there are you know skittish and if you [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► mess with them you're gonna get killed [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and you have to understand that the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► valley is protected from everything [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► that's happened by the wind and other [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► stuff and they need to get that out some [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► way and they they get most of the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► backstory and the sort of the equivalent [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► of the kraal which is this terrible [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► narration and and [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► tub and a wall text but you having your [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► talk to yourself not the most artful way [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► to do it but she's not monologuing [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► non-stop she you know especially if you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► see the time gap she says if you think [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► to yourself then does stuff then set [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► anything on the shelf for a while and [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► looks around then [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► then listen for a sound that you heard [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that runs over there and it's it's not [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the best but I've definitely seen worse [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► and because it starts so slowly with the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► slow reveal and lots of not talking just [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► looking at the world [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► it never really bothered and sort of [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► dogs the movie elsewhere too though I [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► mean it's not just up at the front like [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► she she falls through the sand into the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► forest and within 20 seconds from the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► reasons that is thrice the amount of the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► water and then they die and these [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► crystals descend and it's all explained [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► yes and I have a chart of the ecosystem [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► over here on the cave wall if you'd like [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► to see it [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► that feels like an entire like two or [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► three episode arc or something you know [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► that just got distilled down into its [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► its thinnest essence [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► yeah so we could get on to the next plot [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► point they try to short-handed by saying [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► this is like the sand in my room under [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► the castle to try to say because she [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► spent all that time there she [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► understands this she makes the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► connection it's you know it's not a [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► major point of the movie they just want [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► to say oh she's figured out this is like [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► that and that's you know this is just [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the the the the diametric opposite of [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► the other miyazaki films that we've [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► watched the like [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► Kiki's and totoro where the plot is like [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► this maybe 30 seconds of plot that's [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► extended out to two hours and this is [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► about seven days worth of plot that's [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► scrunched down in two hours [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► it's a very different experience it's [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► like manoukian that there is this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► complicated plot and and you know [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► different different factions or who are [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► fighting over something and as the [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► premise and there's the whole you know [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► world problem they really it is a bigger [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► story that they want to like you could [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► you could have made this into three [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► movies if you want it but yeah the [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► longer i never read the comics either [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► but that longer version is surely filled [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► with much more detail about this but [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► this is the like I feel like this is one [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► of the most conventional stories [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► Miyazaki has ever done because you could [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► do a straight-up live actually origin of [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► this and it is very straightforward it [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic there's a story there [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► is a beginning middle and end it there [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► is no we're diversions [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► there's no like you know where the hell [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► is this even going and is this even a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► story is very very compact and lots of [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► other movies I feel like riff on this [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► and slowly start to tear apart this [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► formula but this was just so has such a [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► good bones I feel like that the the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► clumsiness of the expedition especially [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► in the dub because then you can just [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► like to read the subtitles and you [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► definitely does bother you last has [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► never probably because I always felt [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► like this is this is movie shorthand [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► that most movies always do and this [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► movie is aimed at not children so much [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► maybe teenagers so it's not trying to be [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► adult and sophisticated in the same way [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► that maybe you you would ask of a modern [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► action movie i'm not really recapping [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the plot and there is a lot of it so we [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► we have I feel like we covered a lot of [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► this this is we got this initial post [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► apocalyptic world there are lots of bugs [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► there is the gnome shell and eastwood [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► rides into town on an ostrich wearing a [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► gas mask in leg warmer [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► yeah it's not like we're in this movie [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► are sweet the leg warmer game really hot [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► okay so let's talk about the ages 4-18 [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► for ya [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► speak speak like warmer some of this [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► music in this movie is beautiful i do [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► have a note at one point where i wrote [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► down music cues from 1984 where all the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► sudden this timeless story then suddenly [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► there's a didn't do do do then i felt [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► like i was playing a video game for a [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► moment there yeah I have the phrase [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► painfully eighties in mind yeah I if I [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► have this phrase in my notes would say [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► wonderfully eighties and it's a wonder [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► why should qualify that it's the end of [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► a note that says the music in this [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► stands out more than the other [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► Miyazaki's I've seen and the music and [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► totoro and kikis are both great but here [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► it's I i think it drives the action of [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► the film in such a key way that I is it [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► always joe hisaishi that the same guy [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► does all this music which is [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► mind-blowing if you think about think [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► about the range between like the right [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► I'm not so much in the eighties portions [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► but in and some of the others where [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► things are a little more majestic [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► sounding and it's just that they're [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► there are a couple of cues that reminded [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► me of one of the Terminator the original [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► terminator it's like as tall or quite [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► frankly music from 1984 and what it was [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► striking because so much of it is [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► classic that the movie feels classical [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► music field classic and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► then there are a couple of points where [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► it is just suddenly this is a movie from [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► 1984 not 1985 1990 3 [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► it's from 1984 right on the nose and you [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► know it's all right it's all erased when [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► they get to the small girl doing the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► lala part yes cast song that will never [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► ever leave my head covers and in essence [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► i saw this in 1995 I was really struck [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► by their use of silence to play clear [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► there's definitely that eighty cents [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► sound all over the place but there are [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► giant swathes where it's just silent and [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► the dialogue and I was thinking if that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► were made today like if someone were to [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► read rewrite the music for this there [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► would not be so much quiet and I thought [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► that was I don't know if that's like in [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► 1984 vs 2016 difference or if it was a [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► very intentional stylistic choice at the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► time and but it was it was fascinating [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► to me like we go through this whole [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► dramatic scene where the ship the the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► airship is going down because it's been [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► shot down and they're like gliding in a [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► glider and trying to save you know [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► trying to save the the other craft [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that's gliding along and it's just quiet [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► it's not like dramatic music it's not [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► you know it's not like peril [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► it's just nothing is that Miyazaki thing [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► John because that definitely has been in [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► previous page and the other two that we [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► wish i would say it's an anime thing [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► where you drop out the music and usually [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► with the dropping of the music for so [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you can hear whatever sound effect that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► that the the director or whoever is in [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► creative control the film feels is most [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► emblematic of this thing so when we do [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the next anime episode will be a similar [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► type of thing but sometimes there's like [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► are there many sounds going on the scene [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► but the 1i want you to hear and [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► concentrate on is the sound of the wind [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► even though they would be sounds of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► engines and sounds of explosions or [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► sounds of flames I want you to think [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► about the sound of the wind right or [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► when they cut out everything like later [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► in the movie when they they had she's [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► she's trying to convince the thing [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► holding the baby home to not shoot her [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► whatever there is music there and then [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► our I figure one of the two scenes they [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► do a slow mo thing and they cut out the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► muse [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► and the sound effects but then they they [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► bring you back in the whooshing because [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► that's what they want you to feel as the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► publishing of her going past so usually [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the dropouts are you know for drama and [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► most of the time with the exception of [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► the one key where they really drop out [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► everything because they want you to hold [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► your breath when you see if she's gonna [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► catch tambo right right [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► they put they want it is usually nature [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► sound basically and because they want [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► you to think about think of when you [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► were in a similar situation even though [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► there was lots going on what is the one [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► thing if they can you smell they would [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► like what is the one thing that brings [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► you back sense memory wise to a moment [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► in your life that might have been like [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► this or that evokes this particular [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► encounter or senior setting or whatever [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah i like but we mentioned [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► the silence at the beginning to end the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► wind again miyazaki we talking about [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► wind sounds of wind i wanted to mention [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► flying so i watch the wind rises wind in [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► the title which is a recent miyazaki [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► where he PT it's all about airplanes and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► making airplanes and dreams of flying [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► and things like that and i was struck [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► watching this about all the flying [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that's in this you've got that you've [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► got the glider you've got the mechanics [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► of like tethering the gliders to the the [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the powered craft you've got plant slow [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► plane crashes and fast plane crashes and [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► dogfights and clouds and dogfights not [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► in clouds and I if I had to say there's [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► a unifying thing about this movie above [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► all else I mean you know it its action [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► in the sky [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► there's just a whole lot of action in [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► the sky lot of bugs flying around and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► they're bugs lots of bugs miyazaki loves [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► planes in case you have to figure this [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► out every movie he's not the wind rises [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► i know we love planes that I mean but [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► that was like a career capper every one [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► of his movies if you can find excuse to [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► have a flying thing flying contraption a [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► plaintiff sometimes it's uplands and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► girls on brooms but you know other times [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► its planes yeah i mean just think of how [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► geeky flies like a broom like there's [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► nothing special about flying bicycle for [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► instance right but but think of how [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► think about he looks when she's flying [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► how much cut how how much effort was put [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► into make it look like flying on broom [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► is not just you we talk about the TV [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► show you don't just sit there and then [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► it goes from point A to point B [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► like it's a monorail right flying on a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► room looks looks dangerous and and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► skittish and like you're balancing on a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► wooden thing high above the sky he is [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► obsessed with with flying machines and [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► the idea of flying and it is in all of [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► his movies [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► this one yeah this one is like totally [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► like the doodles of a middle schooler [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► like I can make some of these plants [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► like they're made of lead so how could [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► that even fly that the planes a they [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► look like bugs which is great because [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► like you know the society would build [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► flying things based their styling and [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► design based on the things they see [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► flying like the bugs and be just plain [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► after playing 2 wings you know for wings [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► wings in the back wings in the front [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► round wing stubby wings the the [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► unfolding wings of the gunship that the [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► glider thing he just goes hog-wild yeah [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► I i love the I loved all the plane stuff [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► I thought I thought it was really upset [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► i love actually I kinda love the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► destruction of it to that we have that [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► we have that whole crash at the [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► beginning or near the beginning right [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► with a huge this huge ship that turns [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► out is loaded down with this weapon and [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► and she gets on her clyde er which is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► again her glider is one step away from [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► being keys broom right she gets on her [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► glider and she's like shouting turn and [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► turn to the giant airship that's not [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► gonna work it smashes it breaks into [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► pieces the pieces rain down almost [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► everybody's dead except for the one [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► princess again [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► boy it's all princesses who says one [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► thing before she expires [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► it's just it's spectacular she's [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► mortally wounded they have they they try [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► to get that across without showing his [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► blood and guts for the idea she opens it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► up it's like it is here that you know [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► i'm not a doctor but that's you're not [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► gonna make it [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► yeah she seems okay about that's the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► problem with it's like well you know [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► your fatally wounded in a very gentle [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► way but fatal trust wandering in a way [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► that's visible as soon as we open your [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► shirt but yeah mhm otherwise not that [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► bad yeah yeah this movie is scary enough [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► to young children don't think they need [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► a door but they they do it later when [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you're her shoulder is sliced yeah and a [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► shot as hell gore that I could imagine [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► she was seeing under [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► under the princess estelle or whatever [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► name brother [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► yeah well you have a light plane crash [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► right i mean it presumably they're just [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► like flaming and/or and bodies and [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► pieces of bodies and wreckage and all [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► this stuff but yeah we get to see the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► graves later but we don't actually see [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► the bodies that they're putting into the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► scrapes right right but it's so it's [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► spectacular in that that is one of the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► things that stuck with me for the last [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► time I watched it and I i remember this [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► i watch it again that and you get the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► dog fight in the with the clouds where [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► they go into the cloud but and also by [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the way I don't think this is how storms [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► work that there's like a cloud and it's [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► puffy on the outside but inside it's [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► really really bad so we're going to that [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► castle in the sky program that is how [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► storms work and i guess i mean it's like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► I thunderstorm I guess that's sort of [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► how it works but it seems very much like [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► it's just kind of a puffy cloud with bad [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► stuff inside so you can go inside like [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► structure to the wrath of khan basically [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► you can go in or you can stay out those [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► are your options you can choose and and [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► where you want to fight but anyway I [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► like the flying stuff being sake is [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► obsessed with lying i think the collider [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► is beautiful i love that they're [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► different he's obviously thought of all [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► the different ways you can fly her [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► glider like you can fly it from below [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► you can fly from above [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you know you could you've got like [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► different ways you can do a two-person [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► thing where one person lays on the on [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the board and one person's up in a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► little suspender strap thing here's how [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► you landed you can also jump off of it [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► while you're moving towards something [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► and fly and and and crash into it which [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► is a maneuver she uses late in the movie [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► it's just falling with style [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► there's a lot of lying yeah it's [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► interesting to compare the animation of [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► somebody who's super competent at flying [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► with the keys animation where she's just [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► awful added yeah but and both of them [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► look dangerous like when she you know [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► says oh can you can you bring the the oh [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► my eyeball shell home it's really hard [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► for me to fly with eventually ass off a [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► cliff hanging to the bottom of water [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► flips around the front of it to get onto [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► it's like she's not really showing off [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► but you're just like you watch you doing [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► like maybe just all right now she's not [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► weighed down with that things you can do [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► the stop points but she's like a kid [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► who's who's put a lot of time into Lake [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► learning how to skateboard or you know [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► whatever like she's you can tell like is [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► very evident that she's put a lot of [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► time into doing this and from that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► we can extrapolate even further that [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► she's done a lot of exploring and and I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► think that's a really cool little detail [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► that it's not you know it's one of those [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► subtle things and that kind of speaks to [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► who she is and what she does a lot more [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► than you know that x position would be [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► if it's like well this is my seventh day [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► out this week and we have this [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► experience we see her being an expert [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► ya can't be safe on a skateboard mr. I [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► should we talk about the fox squirrel we [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► mentioned it go mentioned mention the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► fox squirrel earlier she gets a fox [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► world the Fox who looks I i wrote down [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► or pokemon one of those and jobs and it [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► bites her and she doesn't really is a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► ratchet and then it hangs on her [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► shoulder for the rest of it in fact at [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► one point she's like been flung [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► somewhere and has flung in the air and [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► she's fallen to the ground she may be [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► dead but he's still like hanging around [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► by her which I thought was I thought was [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► interesting he's very easy way to get [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► down her shirt yeah clearly as her magic [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► shirt that protects him from all over [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► all injury in flames and antioxidants [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► antioxidants right [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► no he's he's he's very special anyway [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► this is a mascot he doesn't talk like g [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► like Gigi but yeah he's fanservice and [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► he's there too busy cute and he's there [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► to to reveal her character very early in [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► the movie to show how you know that [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► she's gonna let the thing by her and say [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► see is no reason to be afraid and then [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► he feels bad like your finger and it's [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► adorable [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► yeah he's there because it's an anime [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► that's named slightly a children like [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► it's just one of those things that's [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► kind of required and is not many other [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► there's not many other cute animals [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► moving the body cute like even the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► babydome borderline right right now i [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► love it i mean of all of the the many [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► anime things I've seen with adorable [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► animals i think it was probably my [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► number one favorite foremost most cute [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► and most the one that I would most like [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► a stuffed like plush figure of for [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► myself I have a little um almost I don't [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► know if I'd say steampunk but I mean one [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► of the vibes that I could have this [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► movie too is that this is like dreams of [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► Sky Pirates and stuff like that right [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► its daring to in the high in the sky is [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► and that's castle in the sky [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► thing and we'll know what this really is [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it will it well music he's got enough to [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► spare but you we get here we got that we [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► got the board they're boarding the ships [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and she's flying around and I feel like [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that the fox squirrel on the shoulder [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► thing it is a little like a pirate [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► parrot it needs just gives her a little [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► bit more of a like I'm a dashing like i [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► am here and I also have a creature on my [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► shoulder because I could do that i'm [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► that cool so that gives us some cute [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► moments like you see you know there's a [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► shot of her that she's just lying down [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► and then suddenly like he just pokes up [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► out of her hair out of nowhere that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► those one of the most charming moments [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► of the movie for me it's just cute and [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► nobody reacts to it there's a dirty the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► moment worried emerges and NP she's [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► talking to people and it's very serious [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► and they're like nobodies like at [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► there's an animal in your hair nope it's [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► fine whatever get a fox squirrel they do [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► and speaking of genres that this movie [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► evokes with the Pirates in the sky think [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► it's definitely one but that the entire [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► movie speaking of you know eighties and [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► stuff is just as with so much anime is [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► soaked in the the eighties Cold War [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► mentality on top of the normal anime [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► we're basically every Japanese animation [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► is in some way that the subtext or theme [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► is in some way related to nuclear bombs [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► going off because Japan is the only [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► country that has ever been nuked now in [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► anger everything they make after that [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► has if an anime think as it's an [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► incredible extent so this thing the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► whole seven days of fire and the opening [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► credits against we have the giants [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► walking with the sticks the top of their [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► heads are ICBM cones you know like it's [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► it's not subtle at all [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► you rarely is an anime subtle later in [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► the movie will see a mushroom cloud [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► surprises and weird for anime it's in [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► every anime like you can't but that's [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► this jar this is a post-apocalyptic one [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► so of course they're gonna do that and [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► this has the same totoro ask thing where [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► you can choose to believe that these [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► people thousand years later have [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► conceptualized the seven days of fire as [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► if they were giant cone headed people [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► like smashing cities with their you know [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► right but then later the movie you see [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► one you like [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► oh I guess they were actually people [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► like that is it you don't like that is [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► that sort of you depending on how you [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► choose to to think of it like but it's [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► but it's not it's not subtle in any way [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► the the overall kind of like what what [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► other live action genre has been into I [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► think it feels like a mad max-style [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► thing you mentioned steampunk Mad Max [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► and I had a big mac / when at one point [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► the subtitles of knowledge is a no-go [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► says who made such a terrible mess of [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► the world and I do an immediate flash of [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► Mad Max fury road who killed the world [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► have that in my new my notes right here [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► who killed the world i love that moment [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► yeah hey Johnny I you don't wanna know [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► about you you love post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► movies i do and especially i love the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► eighties variety where nuclear war [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that's good old-fashioned apocalypse an [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► old-timey about that's what that's what [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► I grew up on dharna that's right let's [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► analyze this is me I'm hot lips right [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► and it would have been a nuke everything [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► and everything will be gone and it's all [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► about like humans using really big [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► weapons and when everything's gone you [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► get to wipe the slate clean and start [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► over and you get to decide how that's [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► going to look in this world looks like [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► bugs yeah yeah i think it I think John [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► and I have talked before about how we [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► are both suckers fourth post apocalyptic [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► stuff and I guess you know we already [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► talked about the stand i think it [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► diseases is my apocalypse but i also [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► appreciate this cold war-style and that [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► was I think what drew me to the movie in [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► the first place the first time I saw it [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► way back when I was in college and I [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► just it was interesting to see [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► especially at that time not knowing as [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► much about anime to see the darkness of [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► the post-apocalypse idea meshed with [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► such a bright and generally cheerful [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► kind of children's type film and the you [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► know good kind of putting those two [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► things together there's a little bit of [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► a Frisian that really works for me as a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► viewer it's like taking you know two [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► great tastes that I wouldn't have [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► thought would taste great together but [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► actually do and I sneak in is really [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► grim moments like I've noticed this in [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► the recent years that I hadn't noticed [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► for the first many years I saw she's on [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► the the watched that the ship where [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► she's a captive and she gets saved by [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the women and they replace her in her [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► cell and everything right and she did [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► they smuggle her out with the dress and [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► she goes into the room with the women [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► and the children and I think there were [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► some in there with him to like and what [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► they have in that room when like the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► battle and Susan the thing what what [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► they have in that room is they have a [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► giant bomb so basically when those guys [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► finally get through the door [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► we're gonna set off this bomb and kill [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► ourselves and them like that's they're [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► basically using you know terrorist [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► suicide last resort [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► you're not going to take us live tax in [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► the room with all the women and the [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► children and it's it's in passing and it [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► goes by quickly but you're like if you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► really think about what what life is [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► like for the people living in this world [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► it's pretty bad like your town is [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► probably going to be swallowed up by the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► toxic jungle you could be killed at any [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► time many people there's no real law to [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► speak of its survival of the fittest the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► future of entire city's entire fairly [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► large cities and people's and families [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► at it is you know a moment away from [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► being destroyed by so many things and [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► everything is so grim that everyone in [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the room seems grimly determined to blow [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► themselves up like like it's no big and [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► she's just sort of like walking through [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► this story and it's just think of how [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► many people died you know it's this is [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► not a nice world but it i guess it's [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► normalized because they have never known [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► any other way [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

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00:43:39 ◼   ► I i have to say that this is that coming [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► coming from the cold war-era if you [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► described like a message movie from the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► mid eighties and or or let me put it [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► another way if you'd said hey Jason [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► imagine a message movie from the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► eighties what were the messages be i [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► would probably say violence is bad [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► protect the environment [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► take care be nice to animals and protect [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the environment don't hurt each other [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► people want two people want to destroy [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► so you've got to fight against using [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► yourself and and be yourself right [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► I so I I had a few moments in this room [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► like III get the drugs and don't just [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► say no stay in school did I I just there [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► are there are a few moments in here [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► where it is so artfully done that I like [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► it but at the same time this is uh what [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► seems i think from the perspective of [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► 2016 kind of innocent in its take care [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► of animals be nice to the environment [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and don't blow things up violently but [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that isn't sort of like those are the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► themes of this and it sort of sweet now [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► when I think about it but again it did [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► strike me as being a little bit [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► reminiscent of sort of an after-school [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► special [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► and that's why i love it see all the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► other people in the movie all the other [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► groups are not on that page [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► none of those groups sort of learned the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► lessons that you were just of course not [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► none of them really know them really [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► learn oh hey we shouldn't use the super [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► weapons during a few select individuals [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► realize it but pretty much everyone else [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► in this movie is trying to do what it [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► takes to stay alive even if it involves [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► killing the entire other city or kingdom [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► or whatever even the people in her [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► village are not really on the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► high-minded idea on now we've all [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► learned that we shouldn't use super they [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► don't get all these people out of their [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► village they go back to their farming [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► right and there it's not you know and [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► they're willing to fight them for their [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► not like oh there there is no one here [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► espousing a pacifist philosophy there is [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► no one here with high-minded ideals [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► about the environment now [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► miyazaki himself I don't put that in the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► eighties miyazaki himself is obsessed [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with like the environment and pollution [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► that's a thread that runs through all [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the movies and gets more and more [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► preaching about that as you go on even [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► like in the the modern movies like [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► spirited away [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► he's gonna hammer that in the middle of [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► the movie for like 10-15 minutes so you [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► get it like a ponyo you know great about [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that the junction like ponyo that's [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► that's him [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that is not that's not the eighties [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that's him he is big on we're destroying [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► but in it but in the eighties this was [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► these were the messages in the eighties [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► I message of the eighties was we're all [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► going to blow ourselves up if we don't [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► be careful if we don't we don't get our [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► heads together and realize that you know [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► if escalation in a world where you have [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the 1i weapons to destroy the world will [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► eventually end up with the world being [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► destroyed that is totally the eighties [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► theme and the theme of all those movies [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► is we should not blow ourselves up and [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► here's how easily we could do so if we [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► just let a couple of hotheads being [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► charged and have these weapons we should [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► not blow ourselves up we shouldn't have [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► these weapons that you know but [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► Pandora's box is open so be real careful [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► we don't blow ourselves up and yes that [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► that was a lot of things but in this one [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I like the fact that that even at the [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► end you get the idea that you know and [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► also gonna need to learn this lesson she [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► already knew it and everyone else didn't [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► learn the lesson right there just gonna [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► be like I would go back to our village [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► and I was alive or whatever and this [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► whole same thing will happen again and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► that's one of my questions on repeated [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► viewings they they show a couple [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► flashbacks of the own like every time [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► the humans have tried to like fight back [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► the toxic jungle the only will come out [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► and trampled to cross them and during [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► those things they show the owners [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► trampling like skyscrapers [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► yeah just like xion in the matrix where [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it like so civilization has been rebuilt [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► three separate times in this thousand [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► years up to the part where you have [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► skyscrapers and the owner like and no [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► ahead and wipe that was what I thought [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► yeah look at the cheat sheet has been [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► built up enough that they have a giant [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► dome and it ends up getting trampled by [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► the only and then the sports spread I [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► mean they're able to build these [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► technological airplanes I mean they've [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► got flight right lakes really well and [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► again they're talking about at that [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► point how the the toxic jungle or the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► sea of decay has spread over the years [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and so I suspect what's what's happened [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► is that these are some pockets of [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► civilization or at least cities that [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► have survived through the thousand years [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and then gradually get destroyed over [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► time as the as the sea spreads in the [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► homes kind of what but it's the hubris [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► it's not that serious spreading it the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► the humans to get all up in there like [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► we have this big city we've got [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► skyscrapers why do we tolerate this big [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► insects in these no-go zones why don't [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► we take our big weapons go with [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► and blow the crap out of them and every [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► time they try to do that these big homes [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► come out and go and and and this match [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► their bodies into their cities until [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► they're dead and then their bodies [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► become breeding ground for the next four [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► so there previously safe city is now all [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► toxic jungle right and so that's that's [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► the the was like his whole thing of [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► being in harmony with nature and [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► everything was just his personal theme [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► and also a big japanese theme of I you [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► know why couldn't you just been happy in [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► their City they would've been fine but [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► eventually they feel like no men must [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► dominate the earth and you know miyazaki [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► is taking the righteous hand of his home [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► and saying no you don't don't fight [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► against nature nature will always win [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► and then the later lesson to see this [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► toxic drug was actually doing something [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► trying to clean up a stupid world that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you ruined people such as leave it alone [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► if you don't fight with it and you can [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► live in harmony with it in the valley [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you'll be fine if you fight against it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► it's all going to end in tears [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► if only they could all have seen that [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► tapestry with the prophecy on it but [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► these all could have been avoided [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► well the prophecy was the the guy in [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► blue with the beard is going to come and [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► save everybody on a big golden field [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► it's just it's just a run-of-the-mill [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► like Savior sort of thing and and I the [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► first time I saw it I didn't take much [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► notice how many times you co this you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► know the legend of the Savior is going [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► to come and save us or whatever and of [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► course it shows it dude [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► like why wouldn't it you know because [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► that's the world that she lives in right [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► and even though it's like well does it [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► goes the main character and you know [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► it's gonna come through but when I was a [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► kid anyway totally work for me lately in [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► that it didn't even occur to me that she [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► would be the fulfillment of this [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► prophecy I'm like so many other movies [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► that it's clear from seen one this is [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the prophecy main character will fulfill [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► I think you know we're kind of taught [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► that the girls don't do that so it would [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► be [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► oh yeah of course this man is going to [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► come and maybe nautical help him a [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► little bit and then she'll get a scrape [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► and he'll have to come rescue her and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► then that'll be that'll be the point of [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► the story but it's not which is amazing [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► and you know going back to star wars and [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► talking about Ray that's what I loved [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► about star wars 2 and they have to show [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► it to you there because it because it's [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► selling conventional they have to show [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► you look bearded guy rain and more [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► friend art da get kids 0 because you [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► don't like I mean I guess that when i [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► saw the kid didn't occur to me and they [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► need to do that and I was glad they did [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that it's like oh all right now I see it [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► yep thanks I do really like the fact [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► that the reason she's in a blue outfit [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► is because her pink dress has been [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► soaked in all [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► blood doesn't like where she rips the oh [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► my want to talk about them the sandworms [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► of this piece the ohm I there they're uh [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► they're I I'm not cute but i kinda like [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► I kind of love them there be this big [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► segmented dome with lots of eyes [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► slugging roly-polies and friend [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► tentacles than you usually do they are [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► very friendly tentacles and also there's [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► a scene i wrote I wrote on my notes that [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► i can't decide if Nazca really thinks [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► the own can understand her when she [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► talks to him or if they're just talking [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► she's like she would talk to a cat like [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► they can understand that thailand's [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that's another thing that I think it [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► reveals itself i repeat viewings they [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► mentioned many times like when the bugs [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► in the village and the guys like we got [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► to shoot the other guys know you know [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► the young young guys like let's kill it [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► in the older guys like no no if you kill [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► it if we kill even one bug like the [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► consequence there's no telling how we'd [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► suffer for a single insects death i [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► wrote that town today and so there's an [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► acknowledgement and with all the [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► backstory about the ohm and like [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► carrying the baby and the homecoming and [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► destroy the city [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► these are not dumb animals like that [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► they that they understand the concept of [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► revenge that one of them dies they're [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► going to tell each other about it and [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► come get you all through the toxic [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► jungle-like word spreads they're [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► communicating i mean they're not [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure they can [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► understand what she's saying to them [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► when she talks to the babydome and [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► trying to take care of it but I'm not [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the baby one but they are they are [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► established as essentially magical [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► because you've got the glowy thing [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► essentially are healing her and you you [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► imagine that they are communicating on a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► level in which they are communicating [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► and this much more sophisticated way and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► like that these these these animals all [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► the bugs but especially the ohms are [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► much smarter than like say an elephant [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► or any other kind of animal they're [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► smarter the dog smarter than a dolphin [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► they're essentially could be the new [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► dominant life form on the planet [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► maybe they're not quite as smart as [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► humans or maybe they're just you know [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► they're arranging themselves in a [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► different way but if you think of them [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► as just big charging Buffalo you're [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► missing a lot of the the thrust of the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► plot of the movie that the idea [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► is that they are they are intelligent [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► was supposed to give another ass angle [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► to the aspect of like the humans who [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► hate the bugs I'm gonna destroy them and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► just treat them as vermin it's like well [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► not really vermin like they're they're [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► kind of your competition for ownership [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► of this planet going forward I don't see [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► that at all i see that pretty much [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► everything they do could be pretty much [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► chalked up to instinct yeah the charging [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► the red eyes [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► I mean but if you need more than [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► instinct to know that a an insect in the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► valley has been injured let's go get [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► yeah but I think it's that they [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► represent the ecosystem like they're [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► they're one of the forces of the e of [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► the ecology of the planet and they they [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► are giant dead trees that dropped yeah [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► they there are cleansing force they get [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► angry than they that but they're almost [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► like the like the wind to their force of [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► nature that is part of this larger [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► environment that they're in i'm not sure [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► that the ohms are gonna be in a building [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► cities anytime soon but i think they are [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► part of the part of the the ecology of [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► the planet and and when you do things [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► that are bad they come and smash you and [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► building cities but just the idea that [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► they have communication that word [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► spreads among they don't have written [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like straw and clearly have right there [TS]