The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number six [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► September 2010 [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► I'm Jason Snell the topic today is comic [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► book club yay and joining me are the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► fellow members of the comic book club [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► jason reitman a and Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► alright so we're back we managed to make [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► it to a second one that is always a good [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► milestone [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► that's right we're doubling its easy to [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► do one it's like the first annual now [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► it's a recurring feature it is here now [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► we don't know recurring right I really [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► issue to sales drop well yeah after [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► after an issue one that's the sophomore [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► slump but you figure after five or six [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► podcast we can release the trade version [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► of the podcast where it's all bound [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► together one long conversation [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► alright we can sketch in some of the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► stuff we cut out of the podcast because [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► it wasn't worth listening to and we can [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► stick it in the end and call it added [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► value and charge you more for it right [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► so that the introduction or give us the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► introduction [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► we've got to get a celebrity to do that [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► for I read it yes so ever know it'll [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► just be one of the other people from one [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► of the other episodes of the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'll just have you know [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► Dan more and we read a little [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► introduction I always wanted to be on [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► this but it just never worked out [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► I enjoy listening to the comparables [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► comic book up public lat [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► although i am not a member yes something [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► like that anyway welcome thanks for [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► coming in we are all present in person [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► which is so I know it will shock the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► listeners to know not always the case [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► when we record these podcast many many [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► times we have to keep people locked in [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► their little homes and and use the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► internet i'm gonna have to skype in a [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► few months [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► okay yeah yes I went there so there's a [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► young future comic book reader on the [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► way you so so that will be a challenge [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► we always going to say we should get a [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► couple of these in the can before you [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► know one on maternity leave so that we [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► can know Lisa still reading comics sure [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► yes all timely references have been [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► removed but for his haha so i just read [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this apocalypse plotline x-men what is [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► that about this kid pride gonna stay [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► with the x-men gonna be very well the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► great thing about comics they recycle [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► the same story every decade or so so we [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► still be very timely yes example good [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► cables on the rise [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► it all comes around again I am I so to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► start out [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► I thought we would talk about TV I know [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► this is not the TV podcast is the comic [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► book club but the worlds of TV and [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► movies and comic books are colliding in [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► fact some might say that the comic book [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► industry is rapidly becoming an R&D lab [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► for the movie and TV industry and that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► the publishing aspect of it is more of [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► an adjunct tenant and a little niche [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► product where the the main business I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► and I don't think this is unreasonable [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► to say this but the main business of [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► comic book publishing is coming up with [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► properties and stories I single [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► properties you have to create creating I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► mean why disney by Marvel around you [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► your they wanted these these characters [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► and they've got more storylines that [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► they can work into TV shows and they can [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► work in to move and I know this is gonna [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► be painful but the truth is there's no [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► money in publishing what I was a blog [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► post on the beat today that was taking a [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► look at the salary breakdowns and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► they're currently paying editors about [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► 30 to 45 thousand dollars see and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► they're paying Community Managers twice [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► that alright with it and that's actually [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► a shocking thing about the comic [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► companies how little these people are [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► paid and they it's partially because [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► it's such a fan audience that even if [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► any of these editors complained and was [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► like I need more money and less like a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► lucky break the job there's also like 30 [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► other people who would want to do with [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the hill to be in that seat the argument [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► would be most of them can actually do [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► the job but some of them can right right [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► yeah when you're interested in being in [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the media right that's the thread being [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► a writer or an editor is especially [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► writer like Oh everybody's a writer [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► everybody is willing to be a writer and [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► it may not be good [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► their job they maybe you just don't know [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► but there's a large pool of talent out [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► there that even if they don't make [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► headaches for their boss they will get [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► hired [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► that's right but i always thought that [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► there was a kind of natural affinity [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► between comics and television because [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► both of them tend to rely on very [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► episodic storytelling we're even if you [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► have self-contained issues or [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► self-contained episodes of a TV show [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► both comics and TV reward you sticking [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► with it in the long term and and having [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► these serialize regularly scheduled [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► investments in your time and energy so [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► it's kind of a natural shift to say that [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► I go [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► really walking dead once a month to [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► watching an episode of once a week on TV [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► interesting though I think that's kind [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► of switched in a way in that you know [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► historically comics were that very [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► cereal istic thing and you could read [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► x-men for 20 years and chris claremont [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► may or may not have finished the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► plotline idea where television in was [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► everything I'd like a reset switch at [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the end of every episode where it didn't [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► matter if you missed a few because the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► characters really don't change and now [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► television he really is doing that [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► rewarding you know in the last decade or [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► so we're comics on the other hand have [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► gone the other direction because our [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► writing for the trade there doesn't seem [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► to be those long rewarding stories and [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► that if you keep following it they don't [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► have those lights subtle quiet moments [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► and economics have almost become TV [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► seasons whereas TV season's almost [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► become long-form comic books yeah well [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that they have come together right yeah [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► that's me a good way of looking at every [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► TV episode is self-contained even if [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► well I mean there are a few examples [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► like the wire where you can watch an [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► episode of the wire and and I think I [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► mentioned this in the previous podcast [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► occasionally and a wire episode just [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► ends and and my wife turns to me we're [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► watching the the wire we finished the [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► third season now and she'll say oh so [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► that's where they ended this time huh [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► because there is no ending but most TV [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► shows actually do have a beginning [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► middle and an end of an episode and [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► inside story arc which is very much like [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► a comic book that's got a story arc but [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► also has some amount of self-contained [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► right as it has to overlook any of the [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► sort of modern comics being produced by [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► Marvel or DC and i would say 99% of the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► individual pamphlet issue comics don't [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► have a beginning middle and end it's [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► just clearly this is the beginning of a [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► six-issue story or the middle of a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► six-issue story and those middle ones [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► like where nothing really happens it's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► sort of all they need to make the six [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► issues for the trade in some ways you [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► could view the trades as the TV episode [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► as part of a large right and not in the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► park this head that monthly things more [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► of your commercial break in the episode [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you don't miss about the monthly so is [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► back in the eighties they used to have [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► callbacks to previous issues where you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► have somebody give some exposition and [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► there'd be an asterisk and you'd say see [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► issue whatever you have a fry out yet [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► footnote and those really super helpful [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► because if you had just picked up an [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► issue [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► you got a sense of where the story began [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► or ended and get a sense this is a piece [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► of a bigger universe [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► I said you could diet yeah if you go to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► a comic book store and seek out that and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► we don't get shot now you see these [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► tremendous promotional blitz for things [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► but haven't helped if you don't pick up [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► in the first issue of that plot line [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► because you're lost or if there are [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► callbacks two previous runs or previous [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► plot developments [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► there's never an astrocyte see issues [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► number extra why I looked through my new [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► mutants classic trades and what's really [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► kind of funny about those as they still [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► have the footnotes in there that [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► reference all of the other series that [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► they were tied into it the time to those [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► will be and that's the initial run of [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► the mutants we have picked a sunspot [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► cannonball magma the app where that with [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► it they were basically you know the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► Savior's like well i have a bunch of [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► guys that I lost in a cave [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► let us at the reboots which surely don't [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► come back [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► yeah let's hit the radio savage Landor [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► wherever they were right let's you know [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► let's have kitty pryde interact with [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► their peers and have it go badly [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► Oh what they were in space with the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► brood and the starjammers right was that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► when they found the New Mutants was that [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► sorry I'm you know I can't remember if [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► it's lost in the cave or in space with [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the new mutants if they were in space [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► with the starjammers in the brood [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► because then they can't the x-men came [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► back and they fought for at least four [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► panels with the new modalities gray is [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► the new mutants didn't know that who the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► x-men were and there was a brood hiding [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► in one of the back corridors because he [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► doesn't have to fight us right [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► exactly yes so good and then your [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► enemies kicked out of the x-men yeah [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► it's got someone's father is around for [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► a few episodes reviews jerk classic [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► stuff but all interlocked and lot of [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► footnotes because that was part of and [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► it's actually looking back on that sort [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► of sweets like they had two comics now [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► they're like hey I got an idea let's do [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► a second comic that set and more or less [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► the same place and will refer back and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► forth one of course now you'll you end [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► up with ten that are all trying to my [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► god yes it's no longer enjoyable [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► well I don't do those big events anymore [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► because if i were a regular serious [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► writer why would I want to invest extra [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► time and money and picking up that the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► variance entire for example samsung next [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► one reader [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► why would I also want to pick up the [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► Avengers four-issue miniseries on on [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► whatever the big event is plus the whole [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► planets and daredevil grace spider-man [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► plus the runaways plus you forget [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► ok so before we get too far off track i [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► want to bring back bring back [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► marble we could go we have to go on well [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► yes so so too i think bits of [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► interesting TV news regarding comic [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► adaptation for TV and there are other [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► directions we can take this conversation [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► for example there are there's a comic [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► book at least one maybe two comic like [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► in terms of topic new TV shows like no [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► ordinary family with Michael Chiklis [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► which is sort of the incredibles [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► live-action version case was coming [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► areas American here on the Cape [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► yeah we also have some TV series that [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► have turned into comics you see that a [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► little bit i think the most interesting [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► example for me is Buffy Season eight [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► where you actually had the creative team [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► in large part of a TV series after after [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► the show has ended [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► continuing on in there have been some [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► other graphic novel continuations to I [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► believe edward james olmos was [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► discovered that if you want to tell the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► story what happened to Commander Adama [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► after the last episode of battlestar [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► galactica all you need to do is talk to [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► some web-sites a graphic novel and magic [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► things will happen [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► I'm not sure that's such a great idea [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► but but that but the primary focus is [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► the walking dead which premieres on [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► halloween on AMC an adaptation of Robert [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► Kirkman's an excellent black-and-white [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► comic book series although [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► nightmare-inducing they'll never great [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► yeah it's great great for a great issue [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► 48 is great for the pregnant ladies I oh [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► I read through my brother had how much [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► my brother had collected most all of the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► trades up to November last year and when [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► i visited for thanksgiving i read [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► through them all in like a two-day [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► stretch and then had nightmares for the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► next two nights just because i had [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► mainline this coming for two days [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► straight and couldn't get out of my head [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► before that's like that's how I read [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah I just as well i bought the [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► here's a tip for people who haven't [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► gotten into the walking dead if you want [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► to take a chance your best value is [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► there's an omnibus and I home and it's [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► all 48 issues the first 48 issues of the [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► story with a very fitting and dark [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► conclusion right story line at the end [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► of it and it's it's a it's like 20 bucks [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► it's really cheap 448 issues of a comic [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► right and it's great-looking distracted [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► by how he draws children and your [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► building smiley that's my only complaint [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► is is charles charles adler dizzy is on [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► yeah because I've always had a problem [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► he draws kids and he's got the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► proportions off they're almost like the [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► middle-aged representation work shrunken [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► adults but once you once you can get [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► past that you're here like wow this is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► really great yeah the just going on with [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► that hold the Omnibus 448 issues if you [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► don't like your comics as one giant [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► telephone book size kind of addition [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► seriously they big telephone right ma [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► curtain is awesome in that they released [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► the walking dead in pretty much every [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► format you can get hardcover you can get [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► hard covers that cover a year of the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► issue so in fact that 48 issue thinking [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► it has four hardcovers or you could get [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it as a trade paperbacks yeah or to my [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► personal favorite the two absolute [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► editions which was sort of like the DC [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► absolute collections where these [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► oversized almost 11 x 17 hardback [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► slipcase hundred-dollar beautiful coffee [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► table they weigh a million pounds really [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► portable not portable but an awesome way [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► to read it and experienced in the art so [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► big [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► yeah I decided to go for the Omnibus [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► this yeah so so AMC the people who [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► brought you such heralded TV series as [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► Mad Men and Breaking Bad have committed [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► to the walking dead series [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► rumor has it that they've even gone so [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► far as to commit to a second season [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► although it may be that they're waiting [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► for the ratings before they officially [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► related I've seen conflicting reports [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► there but it's a six-episode season so [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► it's pretty short [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► I think they were you hesitant to to do [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► a long run but the buzz is really good [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► as as people who read the walking dead [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► though [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► what do you think about prospect of this [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► is a series is this a the right kind of [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► graphic novel comic series they always [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► the marketing people always know the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► graphic novel i love into its comics [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► must be the mystery science theater 3000 [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► joke where it i forget which robot it [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► was that read them and get into graphic [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► novel comic book for stickin ceramic not [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the graphic novel but regardless what do [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► you think about walking dead as a TV [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► show instead of as a complex series i [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► would say that walking dead is one of [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► the the sort of comic properties that [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► makes the most sense as a TV show it is [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► so episodic and so much about the [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► development of these characters and you [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► really get into sort of the characters [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► lives [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► and that scene when they forget after [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► they've gone through so much trauma and [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► stuff and they get to that prison and [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► they have that sort of relief like here [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► have truly working spoiler right yeah [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► but they were isn't sequence and raise [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► is like a high point in the series for [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► me when when they come over the hill and [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► there's that prison and I like we could [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► be safe here their study notice this [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► prison is salvation yeah the subsequent [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► stories in it again na right explores [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the the meaning of what it really means [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► to be incarcerated [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► it's not a throwaway that they find a [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► prison rail it is like when Kirkman [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► takes them to the prison you do get the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► sense that he's committed to exploring [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► all of the variations of what does it [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► mean to be setting up a civilization [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► inside this prison instead of what you [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► might get somewhere else which is a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► prison and then we were there for a [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► couple issues and then we left and went [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and moved on as an oz viewer you know I [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► the whole time i was when i was reading [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► through the prison issues i was i was [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► kind of thing about always in the back [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► of my head and the fact that you have [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► these people who are civilians to all of [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► a sudden move into the prison and they [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► run into the cons and you think these [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► are almost like two separate species of [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► individual and how are they ever going [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► to connect how are they going to band [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► together against a common enemy if you [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► did the walking good as a movie he [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► wouldn't do your point would be a zombie [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► movie right we just be there would be an [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► action arc and that there be some [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► characters and so I think that goes to [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► the heart of what you say about him it [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► being appropriate a TV show is it really [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► is about characters right what happens [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► to the characters and none of them are [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► you doing the same right and that's [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► actually also what worries me a bit is [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► one of the interesting things about [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► walking dead is all the characters to [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► develop characters that you love and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► invest time in spoiler alert they die [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► we have lots and anybody's right and [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that they you know you get the sense [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► after a while that no one is safe and [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► when you have a TV show with main actors [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and stars and secondary thing you always [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► know that like well nothing really Bad's [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► gonna happen that's the main character [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► of the show [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► yeah we're in the comic oh that's not [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► true and so how is that going to [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► translate into television is it gonna be [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► you take the main character one of the [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► main characters and well I you know [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► they're they're no longer have the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► ability to do that because they've got [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► the blueprint of the comic series they [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► can say hi character [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► we're hiring you just so you know you're [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► gonna get killed at the end of the [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► second season [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► sorry that we're gonna decide for the [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► first two and then you're gone or the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► first three and then you're gone right [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► that gives me that that they know where [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► the story is going in a way that a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► regular TV writer wouldn't that the two [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► things I'm really curious about our one [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► how are they going to handle the [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► ceaseless tension because if it's one [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► thing that I think about the walking [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► dead is almost never any relief even [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► when a plot arcs to a complete finish [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► you don't have that oh well that's okay [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► and now they're off to new adventures [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► no they're still stuck on a planet [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► that's filled with zombies and right [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► life is hard life is life is never going [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► to get easier it's it's a pretty grim [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► series and it's not that funny and I [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► worry no no the reason is because when [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► you have something is unrelentingly [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► tense there there's often a temptation [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► to throw in some comic relief or [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► something just so people laugh and get [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► the rent and release out how are they [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► going to handle this on TV where people [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► actually do tune in for some sort of [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► catharsis right and I i think some of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the interesting stuff that happens in [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the book with what the characters go [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► through and some of the way the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► characters hook up in all is about [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► breaking that tension that they all feel [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► and as a reader when you're reading this [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► series it's hard to put down [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► yes you feel that tension too and you [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► just want to ride it out to see what's [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the second thing wondering about is it's [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► an incredibly violent series just just [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► incredibly gruesomely violent and how [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► are they going to handle it when there [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► are people [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► spoiler alert when there are people [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► using plastic pliers to pull the teeth [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that amount of zombie children or [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► gruesomely torturing folk or just all [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► the various gonna play that results in [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► kapil's parts of the murders suicides [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► had he's yelling apart right yeah or [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► there was some outcome was a blank here [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► is it Sharona Siobhan the one who made [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it through to the prison by against [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► whereby maniacally some zombies 2 we're [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► using them as as his shield yes as a [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► shield like how how did you swing that [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► and I hope though they don't use the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► comic as too much of a blueprint and use [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► it as the basis and then do what works [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► in TV in a way and because they're [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► different mediums and the same story [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► lines for Batum aren't going to [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► translate what right i think following [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► the plot arc and saying people here's [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► what's going to happen they're gonna [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► he's gonna go into this into the city [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► he's going to meet people they're going [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► to end up on this on the road they're [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► gonna find a prison there's gonna be [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► stuff in the prison and there's going to [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► be a [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► then it's going to be a community nearby [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► because every post apocalyptic story has [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that like militaristic community that [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► sometimes runs into his rented by a [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► dictator always happens and I was sort [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► of sad when i saw that in the walking [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► dead but they handled it really well [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► yeah but you know so and then and then [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► you can go on from there and say one [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► then and then down the road we'll talk [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► about like taking another road trip [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► trying to find the source of you know [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► maybe how this happened or where the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► government is and all of that those [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► points along the way are probably good [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► to have like i said to give them an idea [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► of direction but the details i think [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► you're totally right hand details need [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► to happen in the contract with TV one [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► thing I hope it doesn't become though [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you know why did this happen how did [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► this happen let's try to solve that [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► mystery mystery and I think that we're [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► not in the comic that's like mentioned [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► maybe twice ever in just a couple I [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► sandals they're like we're a little busy [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► trying not to be eaten be right over [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► here when I'm not even to the evenings [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► but what are we gonna eat and how do you [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► go anywhere because the highways are all [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► clogged with cars and now there's no [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► gasps there's no working society is not [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► working in that structure right that's [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► so interesting and from a character [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► standpoint which is again that the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► brilliance of the walking dead is that [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► it does what most ami stories don't do [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► which is deal with these larger issues [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► of how do we survive [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► can we survive can we raise children in [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► this it at comic-con there was a panel [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► of teachers and librarians talking about [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► using comics in classrooms and one of [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► the things they talked about was using [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► the walking dead with with teenagers [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► yeah yeah such fifth grade my god no [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► need to talk about questions of culture [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► and Emma question there was about zombie [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► post zombie apocalypse culture and how [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► characters in The Walking Dead or [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► worried that their kids are going to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► grow up not just worried that the kids [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► are going to grow because they're gonna [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► get eaten by a zombie but they're going [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► to grow up in a in a culture without [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► knowing what all the trappings of our [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► previous culture were and like how do we [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► keep the culture alive and that is stuff [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► that you just don't as much fun as some [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► kind of traditional zombie movies can be [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► as action vehicles and the fact is there [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► is a lot of time spent mourning for the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► dead culture and wondering how you can [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► possibly survive in a world where all [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the cars are filling the the lanes of [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► highways and there's no gasoline and [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► there's no food and there's nothing like [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► that and and so to get to that and say [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► you know this isn't just about surviving [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► it's also about it or not just about [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► killing zombies it's also about like [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► surviving in the long term and how the [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► heck do we do that and get along [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► together that's a great thing about what [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► happened did and that Batman that's the [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► core of drama right right and that's [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► what works why it works pretty good yeah [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► featured steady existential you know [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► basic existential like will we be able [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► to continue existing kind of core drama [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► right it's their one of the genius [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► things with the walking dead is it's [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► basically the stand with zombies [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► yeah because when you think about this a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► lot doesn't remember no and without some [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► of the mystical about Randall Flagg but [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► there's something you know there's a lot [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► of this if you went back and reread it [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► my last vacation and there's just a lot [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► of time that Stephen King actually [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► devotes to talking about how lost people [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► are with their infrastructure goes away [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► where there are people who have no idea [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► how to get running [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► just just look at new orleans after [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► katrina society is very fragile [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► oh yeah first World Western societies [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► really fragile x 1 i'd be curious about [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► I don't know and I don't think they're [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► ever going to do this in the walking [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► dead because there's how could you swing [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► it but I'd love to find out how to [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► network everybody is fine exactly hahaha [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► they did that and y the last man [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► remember the very yeah against Cuellar [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► at the very end of it you know they're [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► like it turns out the women on the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► plains of Africa were fine because they [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► were already used to be hunters and [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► gatherers they just picked up and [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► carried on it was you know the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► interdependence societies ever host so y [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the last man is going is in movie [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► development isn't it with the movies [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that that's what I actually think we'd [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► be better as a TV show isn't true i said [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► this about watchmen for a long time and [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► I mentioned this on our in our movie [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► podcast have been 12 issue HBO series [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► that kind of thing where it's you know a [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► 12-episode like the band of brothers [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► event where it's it's one and done you [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► know and something like something [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► self-contained like why I could I could [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► see again as a series because there's so [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► much story there that that you could [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► tell it was a movie if you only took the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► first couple of trade paperbacks maybe [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► then it's an amazing i'm doing right [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► right that's why I comics in general [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► probably work better as a serialize TV [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► show then a two-hour movie because [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► they're they're written with the same [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► interstitial storytelling right at least [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► at least all these kind of good books [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► from kirk manner von that we're talking [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► well not to get back to Buffy which I [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► mentioned earlier but Joss Whedon has [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► said on many occasions that Buffy the [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► buffy TV series and talk about your [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► to work better as a TV show the movie by [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the way is greatly is really his version [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► of spider-man [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah except taking hold of some kind of [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► superhero trappings away and having it [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► be the strong female character but it is [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► it is Peter Parker in in high school [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► with all of the social complications [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► plus superpowers which makes it even [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► more complicated and and that's what why [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► i love that show is because i always [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► love that aspect of the spider-man story [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► group and then Buffy really is that now [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► I know Marvel's talking about now that [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► they're part of disney making more comic [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► based TV shows and I suspect it's only a [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► matter of time before we see the Peter [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► Parker TV series isn't aren't they doing [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the new spider-man film is sort of an [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► yeah I'll removed as opposed to it [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► really work better as a TV show my [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► argument is you can look at something [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► like Buffy and say I think I think [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► spider-man or at least the I guess [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► smallville would be the example right [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► words what if we took a my comic [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► superhero and made his high school [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► period the the the subject of on [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► long-running TV show where you can [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► really get into those issues and small [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► has been on the air since the forties [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► right at this point and welding has lost [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► his teeth and it's very sad but that I [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► having only seen like one episode that [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► that was the premise of that show to [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► write with an ok so let's talk about [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► some failures like the words of prey [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► ok i was thinking you and next oh yeah [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► which I don't actually ever watched an [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► episode of to pray you and you love the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► comic right one of the comic i really do [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► it would within the TV show anything to [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► do with the comic-con vaguely other than [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the traditional have a man appear in the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► comic at any point that man has appeared [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► in gross army not in the comic in the TV [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► not one don't know don't nobody say bad [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► but it wasn't the main person in the TV [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► show the daughter of Batman and Catwoman [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► know what they did what they did and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► this was just it was one of those things [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► where if you're if you're into any [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► resembles a continuity you're tearing [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► her again that's not how it's supposed [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► to go is you have of course oracle and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► she's the titular protagonist random [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► things resolved revolve what they did is [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► they took the daughter of the Black [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► Canary that the daughter that Black [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► Canary had with green arrow and she goes [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► into the family business sort of [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► unleashes profoundly ambivalent about it [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► because they needed to have they [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► basically tried to set the maiden mother [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► krone dynamic with with three women [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► damned you have to have your maiden and [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that has to be the the new Black Canary [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► and it was just oh here Ricky will teach [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► you the ropes of fighting crime in this [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► city and by the way my shrink happens to [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► be Harley Quinn in her spare time and [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► yeah and it was just it was made it but [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► if it works like a change everything if [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► it worked right and a big problem was [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► that it didn't work out but one of the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► things that made one of the reasons i [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► like birds of prey at the girls even the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► trucks and run to be fair but one of the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► reasons of birds of prey actually worked [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► was because you had a group of women who [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► were professional colleagues and they [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► had and they had to work together and [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► the friendships are valuable but often [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► secondary or you know sometimes the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► interpersonal relationships got in the [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► way of doing a professional job there [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► was a brief plot point in the gail [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► simone where power girl has a huge [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► falling-out with the birds of prey [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► because she doesn't like how she's being [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► asked to work and has to work being out [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► fighting crime [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► yeah okay because Oracle has methods and [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► Power Girl disagreed with them and it [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► turned into a thing and it affected [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► their friendship as well as the [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► professional relationship and whereas [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► this was I think like a WB series seven [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► hours it was basically the baby was in [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► the in after smallville was a successful [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► yeah but they would do another DC and it [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► was kind of like sex in the city meets [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► spandex it was really just yeah and it [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► was it was it was it was less about the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► fact that these women saw themselves as [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► okay clearly I have the ability to kick [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► somebody's butt or clearly I have the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► ability to find any information anywhere [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► and let's see if i can make money off of [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that more along the lines of oh I'm so [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► conflicted [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► I'm a woman and a superhero however like [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► however will I cope and it was just bad [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► all had survived i think better part of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► the season and then never intended even [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► automated a full season it was it was a [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► pretty early casualty from what i can [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► remember Jason any any memorable TV [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► comic book failures on your list [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► well there was I mean the mute next [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► thing so thinking nette-c realized chris [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► claremont approach like oh the x-men [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► unions that would might make a good TV [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► show and then I remember they tried that [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► with even x which loosely I think tied [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► to the comic Mutant X which was later [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► spin-off of like the secondary act [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► factor team with traffic and and I where [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► it was actually a some sort of legal [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► deal there where they had did sold the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► rights to the x-men you to a different [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► studios I couldn't do an x-men comic but [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► they could do for xmas show but they [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► could do a mutant x show and then there [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► was a lawsuit right there's something [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► weird and I never actually watched any [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► of it but it didn't last very long but [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► it was you know mute didn't work [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► a mutant Academy kind of again but i [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► felt when i visit to have to have [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► superpower people in a high school say [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► I'm right but that's the whole idea of [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► 250,000 novel about that actually so [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► it's in troy what strangers is a common [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► is a comic they've they've rebooted that [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► new x-men concept a bunch of times and [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► then grit and then grant Morris had his [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► new x-men run we're basically he took it [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► back to the Academy and put all of the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► classic excellent background with the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► exception of Scott Emma and focused on a [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► new class of people and once you've [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► finished that run someone hit the reset [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► button and isn't the problem with TV [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► shows doing classic superheroes those [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► classic defined as classic sort of [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► superheroes style is that actors don't [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► look good in spandex and they don't know [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► so you have to read you have to change [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► this is where we have the black leather [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► models do the reactors don't and uh and [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► that superpowers are hard to show in [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► like that right more this way ETA I and [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► the practical effects and so you find [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► cartoons work well well and that's why I [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► think ultimately joss whedon did what he [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► did with Buffy which is like well I [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► can't really do spider-man but I could [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► do this where they read where regular [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► she's really fight and she could find [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► she can fight she can kick ass and [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that's what she can do and that's her [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► power [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► what we're saying that we like about the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► comics is that the sort of personal [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► drama stuff absent you can do the [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► superhero but you have it is like an [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► extreme background like those smallville [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you know it's there yes way behind [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► because you can't know usually I'm on a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► budget because what i was saying was [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► it's such a great idea and you know [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► we're talking about the the new x-men [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► and and all the stuff and yet for some [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► reason isn't it doesn't have traction [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► with comic audiences and actually wonder [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► if it's gonna if it would have better [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► traction on TV because again it is more [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► character-driven for the most part and [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► you don't have to worry about oh we're [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► going to blow FX budget this week on a [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► floating brain walking down the hall you [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► can just you know modify it to be right [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► no dl floating [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► in episode all right jack and it hit the [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► floating brain flies in a Zeppelin and [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► then I'm there's a little show everyone [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► that comes up with bring yeah all right [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► so the other TV show that they've talked [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► about being in development [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► The Sandman yes that was a good idea bad [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► I'm really intrigued to see how they'll [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► do it because I've actually given this a [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► lot of thought believe it or not it's [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► one of those you know you're on the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► stationary bike and you start thinking [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► what would happen it was thinking the [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► only way to do it successfully as if you [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► basically cut out every other trade [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► because the way that no because the way [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► they wrote that because the way no game [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► throughout the series is you know you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► have a book where the plot advance and [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► then you have a book was basically a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► roundup of oh this is dream back and [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► Shakespearean x 0 this is and then you [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► know another book with the plot advances [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► and then another round up of fables or [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► whatever and if you can cut out those [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► fables and and one shots and just focus [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► on the story of a guy who's basically [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► could be trying to prompt the universe [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and to help him commit suicide that then [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► you've got your series is interesting [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► way to look at the series that the easy [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► you think about it he every step he [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► takes over the course of the series is [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► him doing something that's blatantly [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► against the self-interest here though [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that the show ends up being a incredible [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► hulk style anthology series God that you [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► know where the same man has to go from [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► town to town and collect his items [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► well you know whose it was just that and [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► anyway and and learned important lessons [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► and business hours for good and then [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► moves on ya i think that's yeah I [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► thought Sandman is about that you know [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► you have to change or die [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► yeah and what happens when you make that [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► choice and essentially that's because he [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► chooses not to change basically um I [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► also like the family drama a spicy so [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► what you could have I was thinking that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► you could TV do that kind of like a [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► whole different cast of characters a [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► whole different story every episode in [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► our series of episodes me with that kind [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► of family drama on top or in the [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► background latest in the series and was [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► like no that can't possibly be done and [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► then I remembered doctor who doctor who [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► does pull off having a completely [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► different show you are virtually pulls [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► off having a different show every [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► episode so yeah so the fact that you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► some episodes could be [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► very little about dream and other [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► episodes can be a lot about dream or the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► family and that hopefully you wouldn't [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► see the family very often because that's [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► something that that works well but only [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► in small doses and this became like hey [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► your body at the endless to do you know [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► it would we did just ridiculous right [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► but I mean that that's where you get [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► into it's more of an anthology series [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► with a through line which is rather than [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► a standalone in ecology serious right [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► because it at least you could you got [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► somebody to track that was that and [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► that's your premise of the incredible [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► home gonna hate to say it except that [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► there's probably a better modern example [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► where there's a show [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► maybe the x-files before it disappeared [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► up its own backside was like now where [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► we sort of a monster-of-the-week with a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► through him to karen is doing that right [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► yes I find out where can it can be done [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► right but i'll show you shouldn't be [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► right good part of what the Sandman did [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► well was take all those old seventies or [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► sixties DC characters like the game [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► enable and use them and I don't know [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that would work in television the way it [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► working well yeah there's not there's [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► also because i was there are some plot [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► lines that seemed made for TV like [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► there's that whole I think was the dolls [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► house plot line where you find out that [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► rose Walker is that what is the word for [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► it she's some nexus between the dream [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► world in the waking world and when she [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► has the names and she drags and [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► everybody her boardinghouse and you find [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► out all of their backstory for the ones [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► in the Golden Age Sandman you who ended [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► up being the parents of Danielle who [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► ended up being anyway spoiling it's just [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the serial killer convention would be a [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► great arc as well and that's that's just [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► a great two story beginning to end [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► yeah anyway because it's just someone [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► couldn't really say never ever pull any [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► of that off i think the trick would be [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► subtle tea [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► you know the the research showing [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► restraint in the stories i guess the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► question what to say that is because it [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► depends on what the people who are [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► making a TV show want from the TV show [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► for example walking garnish [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► well the government that the guy who is [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► linked to this is no is the showrunner [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► of supernatural yeah who is what I've [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► seen is generally thought to be a fairly [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► stand-up guy who kinda gets [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► genre TV and androgen source material it [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► is the thing it was Sandman was one of [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the reasons it was quite successful and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► interesting was it it was shara bending [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► as well [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► yeah so [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► how do you do that and Jonna if you [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► approach it as a genre i don't know if [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► it's gonna work because the whole thing [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► about the Sandman is it talked about it [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► it in its own narrative talked about [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► narrative and storytelling and it was a [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► story within a story and all those sort [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► of things that's so interesting to read [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and think about but seeing it on the [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► it's much harder also it's not exactly a [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► linear story because even write it does [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► bounce back and forth you get a lot of [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► flashbacks to a lot of different periods [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► and the whole missing brother thing [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► oh yeah that's the thing is that when [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► dream and delirium go looking for [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► destruction [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► that's basically a cross B hope road [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► trip right there it's really it's a well [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► it's a really funny sequence and it [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► would make a really funny plotline over [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► the course of a couple episodes but what [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► is the method will beat it depends it [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► could be played like three or four [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► different ways on TV and some of them [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► could be great but otherwise it's like a [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► look their wacky huh and now they've [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► found their brother who want something [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► to do with them and has a talking dog [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► you know it'sit's I smell series [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► yeah there's delirium alone would make a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► great series and she's just wackiness [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► ensues CI I've only read the first like [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► this even met the family yet yeah no no [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► that's the thing that the family is so [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► interesting I wanted to be used very [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► very very infrequently one of the things [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► that game it does really well for the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► entire series he drops enough clues to [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► keep utilized about some of these people [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► more characters but he never gives you [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► an explanation for example the youngest [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► one delirium was originally delight and [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► then one day she turned into the she was [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► turning into delirium and he never [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► explains why that happens it just did [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► but it was a bad thing [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► yeah and and there's so there's this [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► it's actually reference where he teases [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the reader towards the end of it where [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► she pulls her head together for a moment [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and asks her brother do you know why I [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► turned into delirium and he's like [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► actually now and she said well there are [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► things outside your world will never [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► know and that's basically game in [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► telling the audience get used to it [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► where did I get all the and I wonder if [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► TV audiences are ok with that because it [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► you know we're talking about a culture [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► where people right endlessly blog and [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and recap shows to try to ring every [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► center of meaning of how are they going [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► to do if you've got source material that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► admits hey I'm not going to give you all [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the answers because i don't think you [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► need them well they might like a gazelle [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► then be able to project their own [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► right and talk about an endlessly on the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► internet about what it means yeah well i [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► think the producers of lost spending the [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► last year that shows the on the air [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► saying they weren't going to answer all [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► the questions and the result was [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► everybody yelled at them for not [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► answering all the questions right like [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► all right well this is an interesting [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► issue is is there is a storyteller ever [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► contractually obligated to give you all [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► of the answers absolutely not no way [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► yeah but something still so she could [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► sense of entitlement among TV viewers a [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► lot of the time that every piece has to [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► have seven meaning it has to make sense [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► because most of TV isn't challenging or [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and they've been trained to expect TV [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► did too to give it to them in this kind [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► of comfortable package but that doesn't [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► like 20 minutes and one of the things [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► that killed me about the criticism loss [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► there are lots of great reasons to [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► criticize last I think loss was a great [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► show i think was I I'm willing to [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► forgive its faults for it the ambition [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that they had with it but the fact was [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► negatively they they were treating it [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► like a novel and one of the things that [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► great novels do is frustrate you [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the difference is if you end a chapter [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► with a frustrating cliffhanger and then [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you see that the next chapter is about a [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► different character and that you're [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► gonna have to wait multiple chapters to [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► get back to the thing that's frustrating [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► you you can power through and keep [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► reading whereas on TV it's the end of [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► the episode and you have to wait a week [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► and then if the first scene of the new [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► episode shows you that they're not going [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► to talk at all about what you saw the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► last know what you're angry that whole [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► episode and then for the next time [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► you're carrying around which actually [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► happened on lost in that last season [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► they did a whole episode that was just a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► flashback episode and people were up in [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► arms made the torches and pitchforks [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► this is why you just watch TV on DVD [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► because yeah because as a novelist [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► I mean novice they they have to [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► frustrate the reader that's that's part [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► of the storyline it had you have to kind [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► of what they doing it right but that's [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► actually one of the reasons why comics [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► work differently is a different media [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► then television even though on paper it [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► since you can kind of think it's the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► same because they both have storyboards [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► writing comics a storyboard for film but [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the difference in the comics is you [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► control the time and in a movie or TV [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► show you don't and that means different [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► narrative choices yet which is why Alan [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► Moore was always the watchman is not you [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► know can't be a film know and I reviews [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► read anything [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► I have you read anything by david lapham [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► david lapham the name is familiar but I [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► is not a lot of things but one of his [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► best works as a series called stray [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► bullets which was his creator-owned [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► which followed some interesting [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► characters and bad things happening to [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► them and it came out around the time of [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► pulp fiction and that sort of John was [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► as popular media and David lapins [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► storytelling was very much had that kind [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► of sense to it and started in the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► seventies it kind of jumped all over [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► time wise but it was a group of [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► characters that followed as very really [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► good and interesting and he was [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► approached by a lot of Hollywood to make [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► stray bullets into a film because it [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► kind of already right eye and he said no [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► then stray bullet is a comic it would [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► only work as a comic I'm i'll happily [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► write you a film that has this kind of [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► thing in it but not stray bullets and he [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► probably have a lot more money now had [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► he done that sure but I respect totally [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► respected that he's like no stray [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► bullets as a comic and will only work as [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► a comic and I had to do with some of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► that time and how you can manipulate [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► time and play with it and how the reader [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► bring stuff to it that you can't get [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► when you because in a way comic reading [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► is an active activity [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► yeah we're television watching a movie [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► watching as a passive activity so yeah [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► it's hard to Marshall McLuhan actually [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► broke it down differently where he'd be [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► differentiate between movies and TV and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► I can remember the argument for the [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► different engagements but the others [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► when you're reading a comic I agree that [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► it's definitely more of a sense of you [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► have you have control over how you can [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► consume the narrative and with [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► television you again unless you're [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► watching on DVD if it's your wedding [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► from episode to come every week you are [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► at the mercy of someone else's schedule [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► and pacing and storytelling in a way [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that that can be incredibly emotionally [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► frustrating fully invested in it so I'm [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► even even in the within the confines of [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the story you know you can you at your [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► own pace and take your time or leap [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► ahead and and one second is one second [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► on TV with bacon do some compression but [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► they do the compression and make control [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► when it happens right that said you know [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the TV and movies are are vastly more [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► popular media know [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► and comic books and I'm also the one of [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► the criticisms I would have about about [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► that that statement about the well you [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► know you can adapt this is that [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► everything is an application so it may [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► be true but if so it's sort of true for [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► everything I mean nothing is that we [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► talked about the walking dead earlier [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► the walking dead on AMC is not going to [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► be Robert Kirkman's the walking dead it [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► can't be even even even that watchman [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► movie which was about his faithful and [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► attempt to right to the source material [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► as possible and shows it can't be it's [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► not the same it is impossible so it's [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► always going to be a different thing I [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► think what you take out of an adaptation [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► is you maybe take some of the story [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► points to take some character names take [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► the look I mean that you take a [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► storyboard sometimes a lot of the promos [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► for i'm walking dead are essentially [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► like panels from the walking dead staged [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► as as photos as posters with live-action [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► characters so you can take bits and [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► pieces of it but in the end it's you [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► know it's gonna be with walking it's [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► gonna be frank darabont really kind of [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► putting together what the show is as [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► opposed to what Robert Kirkman did with [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► the and his artist with a comic just [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► think of the most successful partner [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► watch more than where the opening [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► credits which are basically stage like a [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► moving comic when you think about right [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► right it's a montage [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► yeah right and its narrative and it [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► works really really well and it has a [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► real comic feel that the rest of the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► movie simply does not so whether a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► property is successful it going from [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► comics to TV or film comes down to the [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► choices the producers and directors and [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► actors make in that adaptation i would [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► say that that's accurate that yet it's [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► it is in the details and it's not about [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► comics being fundamentally unfilmable or [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► filmer below [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► I think comics lend themselves really [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► well to that I think there are comics [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► that would never ever work as an [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► adaptation for example i'm thinking [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► about anything Alex Ross ever works on [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► because kill the kingdom come for [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► example that would be just a horrible [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► adaptation I think we'll keep the [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► interesting the no Kingdom Come was [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► seeing the future of all of these [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► characters and I don't have any of that [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► history is much less interesting but [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► something like Marvel's we have you kind [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► of walk through the history of the world [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► with the superhero like holy cats these [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► people are emerging and yet that could [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► be an interesting TV show told from the [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► point of view of the photographer really [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► i was thinkin be a nightmare to produce [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► just because one of the ways [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► marvel's works so well is because again [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you got that beautiful alex ross [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► painting and composition and and [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► photorealism or whatever you want to [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► call it where it's obvious he's painting [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► models and how are you going to get that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► sense of hyper reality when you're [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► shooting on TV it would be with the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► whole thing was filmed in HDR oh god [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► they're a lot to tell to show you can do [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that you can do that though one of my [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► favorite episodes to my top 10 of buffy [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► is never so called the Zeppo and the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► entire premise of the Zeppo is you're [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► following along one of the supporting [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► characters and the main plot involving [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the hero dispatching a villain that's [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► going to destroy the world if they can't [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► stop them happens in the background and [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► occasionally the main the the supporting [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► character will wander into the scene [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► where there's a giant tentacle packing [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► then there's a flames and things like [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that but he's got to go over here and do [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► this other thing and it's great that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► works as a change of pace [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► I'm not sure whether something like [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Marvel's would work as its own thing [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► because it is again so I think depending [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► on the on the mythology and and and the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► backstory but you know I think those are [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► those the Alex rasta I mean that is very [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► different from taking something that [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► that those are those are very very [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► different works i think that most of the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► stuff that you see with it an albatross [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► it's also very old faithful to the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► history in the the the legacy of these [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► characters and stuff if you go in the [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► other direction and do more of that [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► misty shears sort of great American hero [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► which takes the various genres elements [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► and kind of makes fun of them in place [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► with them or something that does it with [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► perhaps less cynicism the tick the tick [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► I was going to see you you teach the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► subject to which is which which actually [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► works really well when all of its [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► without all of its adaptation right [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► there was a very successful election yes [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► very unsuccessful live action although [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► really could really final element in the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► the way that mattered most which was [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► that it was good right yeah a 100 and I [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► really special style [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► yes which which is important because [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► that's actually one of the irrational [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► bugbears i have is if you're going to [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► take a visual medium like collect comic [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► books and then push it [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► TV then by God think about how you want [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it to look what if you're going to show [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that already know story a guy in a big [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► blue superhero suit you need [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► embrace the fact that it is going to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► seem kind of ridiculous [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► yeah and and just look at everything so [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► with the tick there's that you know [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► they're the the robot that was built to [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► set the Russian robot Soviet robot built [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► to assassinate jimmy carter a pilot and [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► then I much cuter than jimmy carter and [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► there's a battle in an elevator and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► there's you know it's one shade away [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► from being a fight in the sixties Batman [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► series right but you know under a sheet [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► in half an hour played for laughs oh [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► right but what about this is why i can [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► never take Nestor Carbonell seriously as [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► a bad guy to use is Manuel exact time [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► batmanuel to me so but yeah you're right [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► that didn't take is an awesome example [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► of adaptation both because from the book [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► to the cartoons they have like that was [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► a great car to write you haven't seen it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► is worth for grown-ups get it all on DVD [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► read it and aid and put the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► closed-captioned because we're closed [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► captioning for the theme song alone is [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► actually really really funny yeah and [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► then and then they had to adapt it again [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► for television [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► yeah and they have like the same [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► archetypes are there even though the [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► characters names or rights issues change [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► captain captain Liberty instead of [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► american-made and red and that Manuel [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► which is what a triangle to the later [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► rounds right yeah deflator mouse to [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► Batman well yeah this is such a great [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► just as many character flaws but Latin [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► another fairly successful adaptation [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► which is really into the radar was when [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► MTV around the max way back in the early [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► nineties i never because that was [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► nothing actually did see but on DVD of [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that think it was part of their late [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► they would run on late-night first was [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► part of liquid television and then just [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► ran as a standalone bumped up against [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► beavis and butt-head because there's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► your natural constituency and Tom but I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► had never read anything by sam kieth i [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► just watched the series and then I went [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► back and read the comics and was really [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► there surprised at how nimbly he took [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► all of the the strength of comic book [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► was that written by mezclar lobe turn [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and drawn by sam kieth I don't know I [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► just understand he's being associated [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► with her hundreds of uncomfortable [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► comics listeners saying the answer right [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► there listening but sadly we it's a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► podcast you can't let us go ahead and [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► shout guys yes that was loud as you just [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► show i'm sorry it was the 90s it was on [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► @midnight I didn't pay attention to the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► credits before we go I I one more [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► question which is if there was a comic [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► that's laying out there somewhere that [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► you would recommend say uh you happen to [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► run into a friend of yours from high [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► school and it turns out there a TV [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► producer and they're looking for new [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► properties they say you're into comics [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► you have anything i should look at [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► anything that we might be something that [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► we could turn into a a sellable kind of [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► property [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► do you have anything off the top of your [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► hand that you would you tell this person [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that you just ran into on the sidewalk [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► if you're your enemy from high school [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► who now is looking for a a tip about [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► about comics you can think about it [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► well i think i have to ask for talking a [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► limited run series for something that [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► they want if they want a syndicated [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► resistance that isn't specific hey there [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► just looking for anything that they can [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► pick up their bosses they don't get [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► fired [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► oh I know Sandman mystery theater than [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► nineteen thirties Sandman by a guy davis [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► and Matt know the ponytail did the mage [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► the writer important the ponytail man [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► also did Grendel wrote you guys are [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► there be there shaking their heads of [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► many people who are listening to this he [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► did great back [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► ah his name is on the tip of my tongue [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► on that Murdock no that's not right now [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► it'll come to me it's like all right [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► he's blond created Grendel and mage and [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► now is writing Madame Xanadu or whatever [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► oh you see my friend Madame zat Arras [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► right to the guy yeah okay I know you're [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► talking about a mystery theater but that [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► is actually great because it's very [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► there isn't a superhero costumes it's [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► really about the relationship between [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► Wesley Dodds and Diane what's her name [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► and that relationship is so beautiful [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► and amazing and told so magical agner [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► matt wagner thank you you're welcome [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► google yeah but it's developed so [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► well and how she goes from this sort of [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► your girl he meets it was almost told [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► from her point of view a lot and then [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► how she becomes a full part of this [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► relationship in his Sandman and it's a [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► great series and I think would make a [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► good television show in a Louis and [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► Clark II kind of way but without without [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► teri hatcher yeah that's what I was [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► thinking you got ya see ya all right [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► Lisa any thoughts you know I'm actually [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► i would pitch Tim Hunter because it goes [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► back it goes back to the whole well it's [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► a couple hot points we talked about [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► which is what you're talking about [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► somebody who is struggling with the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► slings and arrows of adolescence because [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► you know over the course of the over the [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► course of serious from this gawky 12 or [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► 13 year old kid to being 17 or 18 years [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► old and he has to come into his powers [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► and he's got a messed-up family [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► situation has to try to unravel and [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► there's a woman here there's a girl [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► falls in love with who gets screwed over [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► by somebody who may or may not be Tim's [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► mother and it could also work as one of [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► those oh here's our caper of the week [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► where this week we're done with fairies [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► or this week we're dealing with somebody [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► who wants to do the targets of Beltane [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► in the public park or whatever and it [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► would work again because you have the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the overarching Who am I with her [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► whether Tim Hunter themes and you also [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► have the the the episodic here's how he [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► solves this problem magic and it could [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► be cheap because you wouldn't have to [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► rely on too many special effects because [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► that's the problem with a lot of [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► superhero ones is certainly true I i am [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► i'm drawing a blank here i actually had [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► a very clever and question I I I now I [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► got nothing I was so blown away by your [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► by your answers that I have completely [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► invincible that you go to answers and I [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► do love invincible but it's absolutely a [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► nightmare but they would be that's [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► thatthat's animated let's go with the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► enemy yeah one of the yes it would be [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► beautiful animated series such gorgeous [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► start the effort anyway if you could get [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► that emotion wow so since I have [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► completely lost the train of thought [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► there i'm going to shift gears one last [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► time and and say Clancy Brown is the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► ville termites oh my gosh [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► hey Lisa did you read those uh those [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► micronauts comic books i love you i did [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► i did read them what did you think [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► from from the perspective of somebody [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you probably didn't read them in 1978 [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► you know I didn't but if you had handed [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► them to me and said guess what year they [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► were written in I could have um like oh [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► so this would be late seventies early [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► release just based on the art alone [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► which was a nice trip down memory lane [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► I get the feeling i had destroyed my [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► childhood know what I was gonna say is I [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► get that feeling i would have gotten a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► little bit more out of them if I could [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► have cross-referenced them with the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► actual toys because there's a lot of [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► technologies that came up and and and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► and many other jobs as much as you think [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► it was in the terms of a TV or a toy by [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► in microns ended up being pretty far [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► away from the toys just because they [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► were it was pretty limited [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► that said there was some pretty there [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► were there was something that i really [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► like such as the character who foresees [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► a human now he's a centaur then he's a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► human again then he's a center when he [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► feels like it for prints are gone his [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► sentence at Baron cars has brought body [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► banks you see ya [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► the body begs her to a centaur because [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► the toy you could take the white horse [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► and that and the guy and you can take [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► the legs off the guy instead of the body [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► banks are really cool idea the idea that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► you have this rich / class that [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► basically has has guaranteed themselves [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► immortality by taking surface and you [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► know borrowing their bacon over using [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► their body parts it's like that novel / [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► movie just commit never let me go where [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► Oh congratulations poor people your job [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► is to provide fodder for the decadent [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► rich [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► yeah that mean the mean old the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► patrician lady yanking out a young young [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► body in the body banks and she picks [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► sadly she picks the name of the woman [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► who is the rebel leader [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► oh god yeah the toad or splitter with a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► slug slug that's her name yes yes but it [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► was a bad one horrible coincidence there [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► one of things i love about that is that [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► what is that they set up this whole Star [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► Wars plot and then they immediately blow [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► you into earth so that because like the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► Star Wars plotters part 1 part 2 is ok [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► but I love your time sequence or how to [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► make them tiny and we send into florida [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► and there's that there's the the moment [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► that really sets the stage about when [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► this is taking place is that they knock [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► out the power in daytona beach florida [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► and the guy random guy shouts I can't [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► watch donnie and marie yeah like wow [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► okay it is the seventies alright but [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► then it ends up with the NASA astronauts [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► and there's the crazy nasa astronaut who [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► part machine [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► I mean we got the Prometheus pit where [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► where he can fling things into alternate [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► universes and Aaron Carter comes out and [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► he's the size of a human and and this is [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► the direction of captain universe which [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► thrown in there means else's shoes and [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► it is insane let me let me pretend to be [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► the voice of the audience uh who those [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► listening may not have read the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► Micronauts recently or just say [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► everything the is there any way I could [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► get this fabulous thing aside from ebay [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► well okay so the best places you could [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► get this uh there's there's great [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► adjacent there's the bill torrentget [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► torrent yeah if you want to pirate it's [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► not actually available for rights [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► reasons I don't think you could feel to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► set and if you do look for the Maginot [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► special edition bittorrent I'll get you [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the first 12 issues in their recolored [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► kind of very nice redone version the on [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► otherwise checker the checker publishing [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► never did a micro Nazi took a lot of [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► these yeah your property i think there's [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► no way I think there's no collection [TS]