The Incomparable

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00:00:30 ◼   ► this is the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► fantastic and the subject today as we [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► headed on toward halloween is all thanks [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Carrie and the only people i could get [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► to come on this podcast are two of the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► scariest people i know Steve let's and [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► ben boychuk thank you sir appreciate [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that assessment [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► yeah well you're very welcome banner you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► was still alive review been horribly [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► killed by a an axe murderer [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► don't be alarmed his call is coming from [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► inside for coming tomorrow [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► oh I am alarmed i'm horribly alarmed [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► so we have actually had an interesting [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► email thread when we were putting this [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► together which it was that I'm it turns [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► out that a lot of our regular [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► contributors to the podcast are afraid [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► of are afraid of being scared [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► which you know i guess i can guess and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► then there was this whole conversation [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► about like good horror and bad horror [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and what makes a good kind of scary or [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► horror movie versus what you know which [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► ones are bad and I'm just kind of [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► curious what you guys think what what is [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► an example of of something if somebody [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► wants to watch something that is going [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► to put them in the Halloween spirit with [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► the kind of stuff they should be going [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► well it again it depends largely on [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► whether you're the kind of candy ass [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► that apparently the rest of the podcast [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► yes 10 20 Hertz or if you're into [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► something maybe a little more gruesome a [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► little more gory I think just in general [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► most people will say or at least will [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► only admit to appreciating films that [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► are a little more subtle little less [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► blood intensive and I can sort of see [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► their point there although and my [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► personal opinion is any horror is [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► generally good horror and even bad [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► horror is is frequently entertaining to [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► some extent you can watch these classic [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► seventies Italian gorefest and just [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► laugh your ass off for an hour [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► see now it's funny that you mentioned [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► that I i was going to say that the times [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that i have watched something that would [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► be classified as horror or kind of [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► horror like the ones that I've enjoyed [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► are the ones where i felt like i could [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► laugh and not just you know I guess it's [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► a combination right it's sort of a laugh [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► as a release from what you're seeing but [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► also that they they can be really funny [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► and have a sense of humor and for me [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► that can make the difference between [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► something being kind of just deadly and [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► being entertaining LOL frequently [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► they're just so bad for you but yeah I [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► mean a lot of actually a lot of recent [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► releases since I guess the dawn of irony [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► in the last couple of decades no irony [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► yeah well you know it has spawned some [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► good things like it's some decent horror [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► movies with some some actual humor [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► content to them there's generally some [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► good dark humor involved you know I go [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► back maybe to the screen series as as [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► the first good example of that [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► yeah yeah and then and a few more recent [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► entries like Ginger Snaps was I thought [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► very funny [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► now what does that tell me about that's [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► a werewolf movie that likens the whole [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► lycanthrope e turning into a werewolf [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► business to the onset of puberty [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► particularly in the case of girls so [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► there's a young young last named ginger [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► ah yes yeah I think I see where you're [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► going here at the wesley that's the kind [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► of hilarious glorious holiday i'm [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► talking about so not very similar and [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► she and her sister are young goth teens [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► who are very into the sort of [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► over-the-top gore and I think the first [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► the the sequence over the credits is [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► them basically staging glory deaths for [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► themselves because they're both don't [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► think your listeners and they like to [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► sit around in their room and think about [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► how they're going to die horrific Lee [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► any day now and the one girl happens to [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► get her period and immediately after she [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► and her sister are walking through the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► park and they're attacked by a werewolf [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► so over the next few days weeks whatever [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the that the girl begins to transform in [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► a multitude of ways and it draws some [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► interesting parallels i think in [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► addition to being just a genuinely scary [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► werewolf movie with the eye with non CGI [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► effects which is also a positive thing [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► in this day and age [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► so I i highly recommend it it's it's [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► it's scary it's funny the werewolf [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► action is not as cheesy as one has come [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► to expect and and like my idea of that [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► other layer there i mean that's what [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► that's what hooked me on the first [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► season of buffy the vampire slayer which [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► was really low budget and what I when I [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► got out of it was that they were taking [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► some of these classic horror movie kind [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► of scenarios and you know playing them [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► as having their equivalents in kind of [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► team in highschool angst and and that [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► was a that was a good call that really [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► worked for sure [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► yeah and I think it has a lot of [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► parallels to to Buffy in that respect [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► and it's also very smart which is [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► something you don't often get the the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► dialogue is sharp the girls don't seem [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► shaky the acting is very good both of [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► the girls particularly the the sister [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► who basically is charged with making [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► sure that her werewolf a sibling doesn't [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► mall the whole school she's fantastic [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► emily perkins is your name and she's I [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► don't think she's gone on to do anything [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► but other than the two sequels which I [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► guess declined in quality pretty rapidly [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► as they tend to do but yeah just an [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► excellent film i would recommend that [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► one recent I think it's about 2003 call [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► Canadian so you know it has that going [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► against it but yeah yeah so they say all [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► sorts of a suspicious things like a boot [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► and indeed and in fact I think perhaps [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► the most controversial thing is that the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► movie does include scenes of field [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► hockey so yeah you gotta be prepared for [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► that was writing thanksgiving happens in [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► october and it's very mysterious why [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► that is never explained it's a mystery [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► um I that's great i'm going to put that [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► on my list that's actually i'm excited i [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► was going to say the only things that I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► would even classify as remotely can I [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► could be considered horror that I think [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► I've seen in the last 10 years are well [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► you know is let the right one in really [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► really horror I mean it's kind of like [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► us a Swedish drama that happens to have [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► a vampire in it [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► yeah I haven't actually seen it in its [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► entirety yeah it's good I liked it a lot [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► ahead of me and what looks like [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► the-the-the ravaging of the film by [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► whatever the new let me in that rise [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► come out I've seen the ads for that and [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► sort of shaking my head thinking well [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► this looks like a coupling all over [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► again and what that that's always the [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► fear although i've seen some positive [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► things about you I don't know it [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► Let The Right One In was really good and [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► any other two that i guess i would put [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► in this category are 28 days later and [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► Shaun of the Dead which again more [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► prepared and start yet but still a great [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► great movie and 20 days later I really [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► liked him [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► I think one of the reasons i liked it is [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that it was almost like a in an action [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► movie with horror pieces in it and not [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► sort of your your your usual like a [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► stereotypical horror kind of setup sure [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you have also mentioned cloverfield [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► right Jason [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► yeah well what would you I mean that's a [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► monster movie i love cloverfield i'm one [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► of those people who thinks be and that's [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► the guy who directed the let the right [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► one in remake actually the same guy [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► believes yeah and I'll of cloverfield [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► which I know a lot of people complain [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► because it's this sort of you know it's [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► that 20-somethings at a party and it's [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► their home video footage and yeah that's [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► true but for me the idea of saying okay [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► after nine eleven we've really seen what [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► massive destruction in a major city [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► really looks like in real life so what [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► if there was a giant godzilla-like [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► monster walking through a city it would [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► be pretty horrific and you know [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► buildings with building's coming down as [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► a lot of effect beyond what it did when [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it was a guy in a suit in a styrofoam [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► tower you know flew off in a block and I [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► found that really effective that you [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► know we you know you you take a big [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► monster and put them in New York and and [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► we know what's going to happen and it's [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► going to be terrible [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► that's my clover field tonight and it [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► has yeah the benefit and we'll go ahead [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► i was just gonna say it has the benefit [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► over the classic Japanese horror movies [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and not having tiny japanese boys and [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► very small disturbing shorts [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► yes also know Raymond Burr members [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► present always a plus bi I would count [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that against it [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► alright well he's he's um he's dead now [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► so we're going to horrific reanimated [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► corpse of rain well okay i might have [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► batted in [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► actually yes that would have been that [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► would have put it over the top [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► cloverfield over-the-top if the zombie [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► zombie Raymond Burr appears at the end [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► and says this has been a terrible [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► mistake and has tried to do things that [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► he should never have tried and [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► cloverfield was the result [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► now I must go any brains I don't [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► understand why you know what the hell's [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► the matter with these geeks what that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► ok so think about all the sort of horror [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► sci-fi crossovers that all the other [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► people who regularly participate on this [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► podcast have seen and could talk about i [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► know i mean think about like I think you [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► for example you guys I think you guys [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► talking about saw scared them scared [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► them well yeah i'm going to bring us all [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► until long after everybody had already [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► stepped up as being punk ass pumps [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► yes you think it would think about like [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► alien mean there you got it you got a [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► sci-fi horror that's more of a mean [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► really it's more of a horror film one of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► those is absolutely a horror movie on a [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► spaceship but that's that's that's [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► really a horrible when it's a great one [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► but i think you know honestly Ben I [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► think one of the reasons that this came [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► up and we can talk about saw and other [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► movies like that if if you want to but I [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► think what this started with is [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► especially when we were you know teenage [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► movie goers the the whole run of friday [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the thirteenth and halloween and you [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► know all of those kind of really cheap [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► schwake horror movies I think made a lot [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► of people including myself say well I'm [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► not interested in that stuff and and [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► that's not to say that we're not [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► interested in scary movies or even kind [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► of bloody awful horror horrible movies [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► it's just that you know some of it got [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► that taint of and i like to say that [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► that ate that's where you see if he'd [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► appreciate that of of you know just the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► schlock of you know Freddy Krueger [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► nightmare on elm street part 12 [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► well that's but that's always been the [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► case and still is today I'm [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► if you and that's true with any kind of [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► film you're gonna have one or two gems [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► in the mountain of crap so even as we [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► were getting the you know friday the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► 13th part 37 Jason goes to receita you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► know we also had the know that's where [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► we had poltergeist which was a fantastic [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► movie I still considered amongst the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► best that I've at least in terms of [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► scariness that I've ever seen [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► we had that without there's a lot of [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► classic skating eighties films that none [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► of which are jumping to mind at the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► moment of course because we're trying to [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► think of the point is that in any genre [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► you're going to get the flock and you're [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► gonna get the flock that people know and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► and becomes popular because that's one [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► of the reasons it becomes popular is one [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► of them hits and then they run into the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► ground in order to make money at it and [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► it's not necessarily those of those [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► movies that are the best representatives [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► of the genre there there's the ones that [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► everybody hears about that give the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► Sonora bad name right i mean you think [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► about and we could run down friday the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► thirteenth and and Nightmare on Elm [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Street but I mean for the first the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► first and second but really the first [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► friday the 13th really good that was and [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► you know and the first nightmare as well [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► and the first nightmare was magnificent [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► and you know we they sort of became self [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► parodies after after four five or six [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► and i think in part that was why they [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► were so popular because they are they [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► weren't frightening in any way people [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► would go to one with their friends and [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► they sit around and laugh because they [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► knew basically it was going to be [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► Seventeen's die one survives and you [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► know there really isn't anything to be [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► concerned about because you already know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► what's going to happen right right yeah [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► and and so a lot of that stuff you know [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► I I have very fond memories is seeing [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► those know what I was a when I was a [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► teenager that the movies that really [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► stick in my head though [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► mino-the-cat are kind of the movies that [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► that i ran across women when I was maybe [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► 11 or 12 or 13 years old on cable should [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► we should we be veering off into this [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► territory [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► I thought this was about horror movies [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► yeah i'll probably but c'mon man we [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► didn't have those channels that we did [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► but they were on the UHF channels and [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► they were scrambled so right so you can [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► only hear them right [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► I spent all my time trying to squeeze my [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► eyes did exactly the right angle so that [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the green twisted boob would form into [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► an actually you know [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► normal human looking but you got to hear [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► a lot of music with the want people in [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► it and it always is he didn't other [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► noises you didn't understand but no I'm [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► thinking if I mean I think of stuff like [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► remember the old z channel I'm did you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► guys ever have those each I was that [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► wasn't so that was an LA thing i know i [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► don't think i ever and I think so yeah [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► yeah that you know and we had to the Z [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► gentleman you know in the late seventies [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and early eighties and you know HBO and [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► showtime so run across movies like like [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► ghost story changeling which i think i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► saw probably 25 tile of the changeling [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► so tell me about that and it will be [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► clear here there is angelina jolie is [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► not involved in any way [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► no no this was this was the start [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► George see Scott who is often mistaken [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► for Angelina Jolie well you can [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► understand the lips and the changeling [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► came out i think in that I think it was [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► 19-8 i want to say d1 yeah 80 or 81 and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► start George see Scott moves into this [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► this old mansion which was previously [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► occupied by the family of this this [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► powerful United States Senator in and [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► strange things start to happen a lot of [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► ways you know that you know since it's [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► sort of a clichéd ghost type of movie [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► you know with things that go bump in the [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► night right no he's just starts to see [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► things and hear things and in the Attic [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► upstairs and he starts to piece together [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► the history of this house who live there [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► now is he staying in the house because [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► it was willed to him by a relative who [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► said he had to stay there one night [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► before he could inherit of and he's all [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► like this is actually they're here this [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► is his wife and daughter get killed in [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► the opening frame to the movies right [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► yeah that's right hit by a car [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it there i think their cargoes out in a [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► snowstorm and they're hiking to a phone [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► or something and turns around and sees [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► his wife and daughter getting barreled [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► over by a by a semi and so yeah there's [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► a lot of emotional resonance in the film [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► because he's dealing with the death of [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► his wife and daughter and yet there's [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► this spirit of what turns out to be a [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► very young child that's right sort of [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► calling out to him through his grief [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► huh yeah and it's that there's a lot of [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► banging on the pipes in the house and I [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► think there's a great scene where a [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► rubber ball that I think belong to his [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► daughter I comes rolling down the stairs [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► bouncing down the stairs yeah and and he [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► throws it in his rage that you know it [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it's his daughter and he has these [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► memories he throws it down the hall and [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► he goes back and sits down and tries to [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► start writing again and he hears the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► ball come rolling down the stairs again [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► right it's a great scene and pen [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► its the hole filled up is just filled [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► with spots like that just kind of make [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► your your spine quiver [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► yeah and you know and they're there are [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► elements of that film in particular [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► everyone you when you find out you know [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► what happened to the child and and you [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► know there's no Senor the climax of the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► movie where you kind of you don't you [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► know you see this this small child's [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► fist banging against the side of this [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► bathtub and that's kind of a banging [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► that he's been hearing throughout this [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► whole picture and it you know it hits [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► you what is happening and that's the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► that's the horror of the thing that's [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► the horror picture and you realize when [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► you want you realize what has happened [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► and and those are the kind of horror [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► movies and I that I really liked [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► we talked about this Jason we when we [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► did the infinite monkeys podcast about a [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► year ago talking about these pictures [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and one of the things that came up in [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that was this idea of the things unseen [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► are almost you know as horrible or even [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► more horrible than the sort of things [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► that you see on screen now within a lot [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► of these core pictures and you know that [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the horror of of this this child being [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► murdered in a tub [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► you know it's stuck with me now for [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► for 30 years more so than any sort of [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► you know so some guy getting is giving [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► his head blown off or anything yeah [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► right yeah yeah i mean do you agree with [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► that Steve I mean I i know you have a [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► slightly different take on on some of [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the you know some of the saw pictures [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► and hostile thing ya know I do agree [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► with that I i think that it plays I [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► think more on the sort of the the fears [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that we had when we were kids you know [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► when we'd be walking down a dark hole in [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► our house in the middle of the night and [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► we'd hear something move and of course [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► we never see it because it was now that [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► I the air-conditioning kicking on and [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► blowing something over or something but [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it's just made all the tariff all the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► more terrifying by that fact i think [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► probably the best example of that is [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► that i can think of is is the the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► haunting which is josh i think it was [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► actually rated g I mean there's really [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► nothing in there that's that's gory or [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► even all that frightening certainly [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► nothing in your face and there's scene i [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► remember from when I was a kid that's [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► it's really nothing I go back and look [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► at it today but there's just again with [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► some there they're staying in this a [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► haunted house and and there's just this [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► banging going on arm again you know not [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► screaming not not anything that sounds [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► like anything that would be scary but at [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► the same time it's just you know this [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► banging is going on over and over again [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► and the camerawork they just sort of [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► zoom in on this section of the wall and [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► there's really nothing there but as [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you're watching and you're hearing this [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► banging and the characters in the room [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► are starting to get increasingly freaked [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► out by this banging you kind of think [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► you can see this face in the pattern on [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► the wall but it's it to this day I'm [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► still not really sure it was there or [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► whether i was just sort of imagining it [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► and I i think those eyes those tend to [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► be a lot more effective simply because [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► you know you don't really have the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► payoff of seeing you know that the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► bloody entrails like you do with a [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► zombie film you just have to kind of [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► continue after you've seen the film to [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► think about it and kind of wonder what [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► the hell was bad so I think it sticks in [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► your mind a bit more [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► yeah I think that's right i think that's [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► right and and I think that mean [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you know I like I do like some of the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► some of the gore films and we did chat [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► about this on on on email before we did [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► this and I and I I the soft films don't [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► do anything for me and then and the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► hospital pictures don't do anything for [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► me that there have been a few that i've [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► really liked and I do love you know [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► going back to what we were discussing [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► earlier you know that some of those [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► films from the eighties some of those [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► sequel some of those bad friday 13 [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► sequels or actually more than the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► nightmare on elm street sequels to do [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the dream warriors effect that this you [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► know that you can kind of see where you [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► know Craven was already leaning to work [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► on the screen pictures in those [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► nightmare films i think you know became [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► sort of self-consciously i'm not sure [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► how many of those he actually even held [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► I think he gave up after the second or [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► third film and just sort of how you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► you may be right i don't remember who [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► did that the dream wars won I do [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► remember seeing that the theater bell [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► and I remember the soundtrack for it i [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► remember is I think somebody actually [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► semi-famous was in that last shoot I [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► don't have it at my disposal so I was [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► thinking about other movies that I've [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► seen that I might I might drop into this [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► category and actually while you're [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► looking that up because I can hear the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► sounds of the Internet in the background [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► I'll Patricia Arquette believe she was [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► going to meet the mute girl right [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► the blonde mute girls that's right cam [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► exploit yeah apparently Laurence [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► Fishburne made an appearance this [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► podcast brought to you by IMDb yeah [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► oh you internet so celebrating 20 years [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► of being the best side of the internet [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► anyway go ahead [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► well the original terminator if we think [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► about is this action movie franchise now [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► but that original terminator movie is [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► actually I think structurally maybe more [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► of a horror movie because it's this [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► unstoppable killing machine and yeah [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► it's coming from the future but it's so [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► it's dark and kind of gritty and he's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► driving his car into the police station [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► and he you know he won't stop until he's [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► killed everybody and you [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► I I mean the only genre is run together [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► but when i watch that movie I thought it [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► was not just an action movie but you [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► know it was it was scary because Arnold [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► Schwarzenegger who is you know kind of [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► taken away from that in the second one [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► right where they make him the good guy [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► but in the first one is just horrible [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► right he's he's he's scary is the scary [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► endless immortal killing machine [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► yes no yeah no I'm with ya yeah i think [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► so i think there's something to that I I [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► don't ice [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► I don't see it in quite the same way as [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► maybe some of these other well no but [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► I'm just trying to justify that i'm not [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► a you know I I that I've actually seen [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► movies that might qualify but there are [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► so few that how about that how about [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► zombie movies now I'm I've seen a few [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► but I'm i know this is an entire genre [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► and it's I I feel like zombies are gonna [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► be the next vampire I cannot wait too [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► late for that they're almost over [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► exposed now [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► yeah well I'm going to this vampires are [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► completely overexposed right mommy's are [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► headed in that direction this kind of [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► this hipster zombie thing going on that [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► I'm I'm not really really good [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► all that into hipster zombies yeah [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► whenever somebody's not this army [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► themselves are hipsters but the hipsters [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► are big into zombies now huh cheapens [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► the currents it really does i mean it's [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► not as bad as say between you know is [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► our vampire fans but I trust it's still [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► sort of obnoxious so what if if one was [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► going to to shop for a a good zombie [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► movie to watch on what that what Donna [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► the dad dad was really going on to the [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► dead is it and it has also the advantage [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that it'sit's really also more of an [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► action movie than a horror movie in a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► lot of ways there's a lot of commandos [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► running through the mall blowing the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► heads off a zombie zombies themselves [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► are are sort of comical in a way I mean [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► they they lumber around they have this [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► kind of bluish cast to the skin so they [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► they almost are more cartoonish than [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► really horrific and and it has also this [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► nice undercurrent of George Romero's [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► social commentary which is a big plus [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► basically the whole thing is the screen [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► on consumerism but a pretty good one I [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► think it has [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► the gunk and it has the gonk which is [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► yeah easily the best most iconic horror [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► tune ever i think with the possible [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► exception of the halloween Thames I i [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► thought the remake those for the [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► Snyder's we make it was pretty good yeah [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► but again I expected to dislike it [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► because of the the whole fact that they [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► turned into the the running zombies as [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► opposed to the lumbering zombies [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► yes that's that's the great [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► philosophical today it's the 28 days [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► later style right zombies action zombies [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► but a it ended up being a great film in [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► its own right i think it would probably [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► have improved a lot of people's views if [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► they hadn't used the dawn of the dead [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► name i think they were there using that [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► to get butts in seats but had they [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► called it something completely different [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I i think it would have been a lot more [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► acclaimed by at least people in horror [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► community I certainly would have been [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► more likely to watch it early on rather [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► than grudgingly and with the expectation [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that i was going to hate it but it [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► turned out to be as an excellent film [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► and its own right and also a lot of time [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► a lot of action / horror i think that [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► one of the great opening sequences in [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► recent memory haha because we see ya [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► head shot just in the hell's that guy's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► name used to torture us in the 830 [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► Thursday slot on NBC all the time Justin [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► Lewis who is he [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► oh he's one of those bit sitcom guys [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that would show up in the in the 830 [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► slot on NBC along with the comments [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► along with Jonathan Silverman he was one [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► of those guys that would show up as a [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► supporting character and and he bites it [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► and then at the opening the one of the [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► early early scenes he ends up getting [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► consumed by his young daughter and it's [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► a wonderful thing yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► for those of us who've just loads his [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► visits for years upon years what about [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► I'm zombieland if you see map have not [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► heard that yeah holiday in there and [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► apparently there's yes it's not yet [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► another horror comedy but that's got a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► famous star in it playing himself as [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► well I won't spoil it but yeah but it's [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► very good i don't want to spoil it but [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it's Bill Murray [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► haha i think i did there ok he spoiled [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah but you don't know what [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► happens to them I won't tell you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► zombieland was a lot of fun i hear they [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► make I think they're thinking about a [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► sequel that I don't think that's such a [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► good idea [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that's yeah yeah I like the I like i [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► said i like the horror comedy thing I I [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► that works for me the idea of like a [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► shot Sean of the Dead is such a great [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► movie and I know you know what all but [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► you know what all the all the gags are [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► the sort of standard gags but it's it's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► legitimately funny and I and has [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► legitimate scary stuff in it to win it [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► sort of surprises me in a way that you [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► were that you appreciated Shauna that as [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► much as you did because I think to [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► really appreciate that movie you have to [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► be intimately aware with this sort of [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► zombie clichés that see I think it's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► gonna be I think that zombie clichés [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► have have have reached down sort of our [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► reach and i'll show ya [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► yeah I think so I think so i'm i'm [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► really looking forward to in fact to the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► walking dead which premieres on [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► halloween on AMC based on Robert [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► Kirkman's comic book series which I've [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► read and which is great and you know [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► again it's using the trappings of horror [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► and and they're definitely there i'm [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► sure in the show there will be lots of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► zombies getting their heads blown off [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► but you know it's also a drama about [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► what happens to the people who were [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► trying to survive the zombie apocalypse [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► some and I'm looking forward to it i [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► hope they don't mess it up because the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► comic is very good and i have not [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► followed the comic because i can't read [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► but right uh but yeah that that that the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► previews look phenomenal for that [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► yeah that's a good idea i mean it's a [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► it's a great concept it's a perfect kind [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► of vehicle for a TV show and they're [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► doing well six episodes i guess the [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► first season 6 episode that sounds like [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► they were really convinced and now the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► buzz is so good and you know the rumor [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► is that they've already picked it up for [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► another year because they are so happy [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► with it while so yeah i'm looking [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► forward to that too [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► alright I've got the credit of one read [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► that Justin Lewis here and maybe maybe [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► this will always be something on your [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► memory some of his credits include two [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► guys a girl and a pizza place [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► I think that was just a guest spot [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► Battery Park which I think lasted one [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► good morning miami on we can't close to [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► that let's see the fighting Fitzgerald's [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► he was Jim [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the level of the gym micro me show [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► hidden hills how you know that the love [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► it's doug barber of Hidden Hills [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► apparently lasted 17 episodes that's [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► interesting and then he then he got [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► eaten on dawn of the dead so kudos to [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► well played sir [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► zack snyder you're not to like I have to [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► get my kudos to our yes [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► yeah your main man matt frewer was [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► briefly in that we make [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► oh yeah well that's good well he is zack [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► snyder seems to use them a lot because [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► he's also in and watch men as its Moloch [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► and then here's the trashcan man in the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► ABC shiny series of this of the stand I [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► that's what it was he was trying to you [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► know I just stand and saying yeah what's [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► up Stephen Stephen King III guess what I [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► guess we should talk about the shining [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► though I you know Stanley Kubrick horror [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► movie director yes no a decent I you [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► know it wasn't shining know it was all [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► about what I read on the internet it [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► must be true [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► yeah it was either about it was either [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► about how cubic was responsible for [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► faking the moon landing or a it was [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► completely a metaphor for the American [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► massacre of the American wow yeah and [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that's not all comes from the scene with [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the scatman crothers getting hit with an [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► axe [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that's supposed to represent a a [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► tomahawk or something [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► no actually no it is there's a couple [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► things there's one scene where where [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► Danny is wearing like a NASA shirt and [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► that's supposed to be the tip-off that [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► the moon landing when he was shooting [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► 2001 had he had time to to fake moon [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► landing for the u.s. government that's [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► nice going to drop those little hints [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► for us [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► yeah and then there's and then I guess [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► there's there's kids throughout that [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► it's really not about Jack Torrance it's [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► all about we did that things anyway [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► that's me [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► i read it on the Internet [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► okay yeah I can't argue with that [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► yeah I like been rejected me I must have [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► seen it probably 20 times when I was a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► kid [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► Bob and but you know there isn't [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► anything that stands out as particularly [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► scary in it [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► i I really appreciate a lot of the the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► long shots which of course is pretty [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► much what you get with cubic write those [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► slow steady cam shots yeah i think the [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► whole opening is up this long trek up [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the mountain to get to the Overlook [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► Hotel and that's that's pretty striking [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► and of course the big pans down the long [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► hallways are interesting mean it's it's [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► not particularly true to the text of the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► book but it's beautifully directed but [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► again not terribly scary i mean there's [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► a few scenes that I think people [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► remember just because they saw it when [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► they were young that I guess the blood [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► rolling out of the elevator and then the [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► two little twins twins right [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► 22 and then those of us who are a little [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► older when we saw it appreciated the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► naked lady getting out of bathtub [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► yeah but then that we really really it [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► did as it usually does [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► so yeah a good film not really a high on [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► my list but good i do want to go back to [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the saw and hostel that had been [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► mentioned earlier torture porn [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► yeah I have to but i have to mention it [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► because I know that that term really [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► turns you on [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► well it's just one of those blanket [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► terms that gets applied to a vast swath [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► of horror cinema kind of unfairly I [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► think just because there are squeamish [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► people who don't want to watch this [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► stuff and so you know i did not a big [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► fan of of terms like that but and and [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► saw in particular I'm not sure really [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► deserves it because you don't really see [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► much of anything and saw largely because [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it's constant jump cuts and you have no [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► freaking clue what's going on in a [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► moment in the film but I've only seen [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the first two saw films and both of them [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► basically you're looking at these sort [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► of elaborate traps that have been set up [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► for for the jigsaw killers victims and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► very rarely if at all i think do you [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► ever see any of the actual results of [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► his contraptions but the horror is the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► situation there right in where [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► and generally have off your arm in order [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► to escape right whatever it is and [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► generally it [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► it cuts away and you hear scream and and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► and that's pretty much it so I'm not [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► sure torture porn really was ever [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► relevant to those those films are they [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► any good [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► shitty movie was relevant could do that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► the first film in particular which has [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► some of the worst acting I think I've [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► ever seen a horror movie and that's [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that's saying a lot because I've watched [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► a lot of Italian flicks but yeah a 1l is [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► is miserable he's one of the I think the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► directors and writers of the film and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► the other one is a guy from the princess [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► bride westley from the princess bride [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► ariel with cary elwes oh my God he's [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► he's over the top and his accent is just [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► magnificently bad and he's trying to do [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► an American accent but he slips into his [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► British frequently and man it's really [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► bad stuff and then of course the jump [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► cuts which kind of ruin everything [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► so so so saw but as it to be condemned [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► because it's bad [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► not because it's torture porn agreed and [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► it really the it's particularly [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► disappointing because it's a good [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► concept [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► I mean that it kind of stolen from seven [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► in a lot of ways with good execution it [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► could have been a good film and the [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► execution was far from good hostel on [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► the other hand which does show a bit [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► more of the blood and gore i think is is [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► quite a good film it is fairly gross but [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► a lot of the subtext of it is is really [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► less of a hey look at the blood and guts [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► isn't that great and more [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► this is what happens when you treat [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► people as things so what's the premise [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► of hostile the premise of hostel which i [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► hate to ruin in case there's anybody who [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► hasn't already heard the presence that [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the time the premise of hospital but [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► there's two young Americans and i think [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► a Norwegian guy or something that are [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► traveling europe post-college and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► kind of making the way from town to town [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and having their way with the women and [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► basically being ugly americans and/or [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► Norwegians as the case may be and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► somebody directs them to some some other [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► former russian state can't recall which [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► one it is at the moment to a particular [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► town in this state and into a particular [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► hostile there so they they hear that you [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► know this is basically off the hook [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► there's wild sex and drugs and so they [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► immediately get on a train and head [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► well it turns out this hospital is [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► basically a front for an organization [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that allows rich rich perverts to [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► violently murder people of various [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► nationalities I think you pay a premium [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► for Americans so it's it's like the most [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► dangerous game comes in a way but they [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► there's nobody gets a running start [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► basically they're lured in by basically [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► loose women that are pulling in a kind [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► of a bounty for attracting the guys and [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► drugging them and then they end up you [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► know in the torture chamber where [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► whoever the highest bidder is gets to [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► come in and have their way with them you [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► know one of them's more interested in [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► unit from kind of a surgery perspective [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► so there's a guy who comes in any sort [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► of practices his surgery on this [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► unsuspecting guy and but they're there [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► are there's genuine horror in it it's [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► not i think that where it's gotten a bad [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► rap is just because it involves torture [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► but in fact it's not it's clearly not [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► glorifying torture in any way I mean [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► you're you're you're obviously watching [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► the thing you're supposed to be [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► disgusted with what's going on and you [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► are you know I'm sure there are a few [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► audience members that are sitting around [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► you know with it with a very different [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► view of things but it also has some some [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► really good direction that sort of [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► surprised me coming from eli roth has [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► only really done i think two films at [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► that point there's one in particular [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► that I think of where we discover what's [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► been going on this whole time [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and in our sort of protagonist who [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► really is kind of a scumbag is being [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► dragged down this hallway towards his [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► chamber and as he goes down the hall he [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► gets glimpses through open doorways of [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► what's going on kind of shadow off in [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► the distance in other rooms and we see [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► there's just kind of all sorts of weird [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► twisted stuff going on you can't really [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► see what it is but it's got this kind of [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► great fun house atmosphere to it means [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► nothing fun is happening but it's just [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► it's got that it i find it hard to put [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► into words but it's it's it's it's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► twisted and it's kind of got its classic [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I think [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► alright so that's hostile yeah i know [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it's it's a better film that has been [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► given credit for is what i'm trying to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► say don't you think though that you know [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► when Ross did that mean specifically [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► well I mean when you have a shot like [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► that with you know going down a hallway [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► with the funhouse like atmosphere mean [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► don't you think that mean part of that I [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► think I mean he he gets off on that I [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► think don't you think don't you think it [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► will because you think we're given only [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► think there's there's an audience that [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► gets off on that too [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I don't doubt that there is but i don't [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► think that's what he's shooting for me I [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► obviously I don't know what's in Eli [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Ross head but it's it's pretty clear [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► just from the the way that the sort of [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► organization is is a is portrayed that [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► they're not they're not the heroes in [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► this piece mean there were supposed to [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► be disgusted with them and that's in [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► particular I don't think is is meant to [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► appeal to sort of your print desire to [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► see people dissected because we're [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► seeing things from a distance we are [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► seeing any blood and guts up close we're [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► just seeing stuff that again is it's [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► it's too distorted to really see what's [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► going on [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► so if you're working world in again yeah [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► exactly you'll realize that it's not [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► just the one room that this is this film [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► is actually happening ten times over [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► simultaneously exactly and that's just [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► so horrible 22 imagine right and it as [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► you see more and more of these it [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► becomes more like you realize how casual [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► this is to the the organization you [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► they've got ten torturing is going on at [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► a time and it's it's a it really builds [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► tension more than it does sort of [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► disgust you because again you're not [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► really seeing anything that's happening [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you're sort of filling in the blanks [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► with your your brain did you see the [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► second 1i have not seen the second one I [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► understand it's a more of the same well [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► there I I've only seen three minutes of [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the second one but the three minutes [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that I saw are nothing like the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► description that you would give to the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► first really yeah i mean there was this [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► the scene that I happened to catch [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► against flipping through the channels [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► late one night involved you know I a [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► nude woman suspended over another nude [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► woman sitting in a in a tub who slashed [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► the throat of this other woman and then [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► bathed in this other women in another [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► woman's blood it was just it was [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► disgusting [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► it was it but but but it was done and I [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► mean you could it was quite clearly done [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► to appeal to somebody's prurient [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► interest mean if you saw you you know [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► what i mean so I mean that [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► so when I when I would apply you know [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► that you with the pejoratives to two [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► films like like hostel hostel two and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► some of the others [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► that's kind of what I'm thinking right [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► well in that there is some of that in [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► hospital as well i'm in the first one [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► but it's not really the focus it [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► certainly not to the point where where [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► it should be dismissed as pure schlock [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► just because of the fact that it has [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► some of that in it [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► alright i wanna i want to shift gears a [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► little bit and talk about a a modern [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► horror classic we're really some of our [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► greatest fears and our greatest [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► mythological horror figures are [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► catapulted to the forefront and in a [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► film that really made all of America sit [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► up and take notice of the death I I [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► refer of course to jennifer aniston [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► leprechaun [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► I really have nothing to say here other [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► haven't been I you notice that they all [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► the horror movies that are that they [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► have high hopes for come out in October [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and the ones that they don't come out in [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► january and i think it was march around [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► st. Patrick's for leprechauns that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► everyone I'm not sure was that that late [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► i think im gonna be like january 10 [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► through something you know what I'm [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► still bitter about leprechaun I actually [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► paid to see that piece of crap [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► wow what yeah well you know what we had [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► sitting around our newspaper office in [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► college we had this this comic book that [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► was released by the production company [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► that I presumed was based on kind of the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► detail that we would see unfolding in [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the film and it was sort of entertaining [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► and it did had some kind of creepy stuff [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► in it and then I went to film and [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► discovered my head for a horrible [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► feeling that well that's Jennifer [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► Aniston notwithstanding it was smoking [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► hot in that movie [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► wow I think I think the implants are you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► ready with that time so yeah a bit [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the rapper and barely been taken off but [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's it's basically a pun [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► filled extravaganza of awful slick troll [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► to its no one's not quite on that level [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► of bad i mean there's a coherent plot [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► and make the monsters in fact the [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► leprechaun and and not a goblin which I [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► think was one of the complaints about [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► troll isn't Warwick Davis just running [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► around the whole film saying where's [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Mego hoping that was a question that was [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► what was in the comic book and we had [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► hours of fun just walking around saying [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► we're starting a chord and then as it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► turned out I think he'd said it maybe [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► once in the film but he does recite some [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► great irish leprechaun poetry as I think [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► he's a jumping on a guy's chest with a [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► pogo stick [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► now you see I'm very glad product [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► leprechaun and then there is a scene i [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► think where he's driving down the road [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► in this tiny go-kart and I think he's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► going like 90 miles an hour and it's [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► it's hilarious it's got to sort of three [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► stooges vibe to it it's it's a beautiful [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► are there Shirley's I don't recall if [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► there are any shillelaghs it seems like [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► there must be our they're armed [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► limericks [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► yeah I believe his poetry is is is in [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► the Limerick meter yes [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► ah that i think the the the best use of [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the Leprechaun myth and i have no idea [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► whether this is actually part of the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► Leprechaun it or not is is it turns out [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that the Leprechaun can be thwarted by [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► distracting him with shoes if he sees [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► shoes if he if he runs across the shoe [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► he will have to stop and clean the chute [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► until it's shiny and so at one point of [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► course the heroes discovered this and [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► they basically stopped him in his tracks [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► by taking off their shoes in her little [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► bit but now that that is a fine film [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► no it's not it has its moments it is [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► their gayness gosh I don't know but that [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► was interviewed it did you drink [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► Guinness when before you went to see I [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► don't think this was the college days so [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► Guinness was sort of out of our range i [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► think it was the the white can with the [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► blue striped just said beer on it which [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you know so it's basically to every [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► irish stereotype possible pretty much [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► nice and then I thought they actually [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► ended up doing I think three or four [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► sequels of that film of course they'd [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► including I think leprechaun in the hood [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► which is supposedly sort of good i've [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► heard what is it just like a leprechaun [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► warning everybody now I it's I don't [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► know it's kind of a hip-hop leprechaun [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► is I brutal social commentary about [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► inequality and there's on singleton [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► directive I heard that yet sitsit sort [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► of heartbreaking at the end with the [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► Leprechaun doesn't get to go to college [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► because he gets a shot to drive by he [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► had such potential [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► they're always after me playing I think [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► there's a leprechaun in space as well [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► well of course there was that's where [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► they live in in space Ireland then do [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► you have any particular favorites that [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you'd like to recommend people put on [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► there are on their netflix queue or you [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► know see before Halloween [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► well my perennial favorite this time of [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► year is always return of the living dead [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► if for no other reason that I get to say [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► over and over and over [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► get the bone songs nice [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► you probably will have a good with [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► memories of linnea quigley as well yeah [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► why she didn't age 10 people but that is [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► a good it's it's a it's it's actually [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► even a zombie movies goes it doesn't [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► hold up but it's what I one of those [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► movies again I think I saw when I don't [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► want to come out 87 716 no I think that [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► does hold up extremely well I saw that [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► you know we did with we did this [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► halloween podcast last year and infinite [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► monkeys and we talked about it i watched [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► again almost immediately after that I [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► thought yeah I mean there's some bits [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that are great and you know the stuff [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► stuff basically anything that doesn't [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► involve the kids is great right [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► and anything that involves zombies i [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► love all those scenes where you know you [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► know you know send more comments send [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► more paramedics and more products yeah I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► love that there's some really really [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► funny stuff and I love you know anytime [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► you nucca Lexington Kentucky you can [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► absolutely right but it's but thing that [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► saves return of the living dead i think [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► from from falling completely out of [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► favors is it went for a light-hearted [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► tone yeah yeah I know it was it was [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► really it was clearly meant to be right [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► more of a constant you can't really I [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► don't think he can dismiss it completely [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► because it wasn't really going for [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► seriousness and and I think it works no [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► no it's not that i think i think it's [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► frankly i think that the hair [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► well it works well as a period piece [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► though yeah [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► yes it's um someday they'll tell the [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► historians will put that in a time [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► capsule to explain who the Vandals were [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► so that's that's my film 44 how arises [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► it's it's good ridiculous fun can return [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► of Living Dead return of the living dead [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► yeah get the bone song if the box so [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Steve I can't believe you haven't seen [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► let the right one and you really should [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► see that I've seen the first 10 minutes [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► of it via netflix and then I had to do [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► alright good because you were scared [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► yeah I was terrified by a chicken that [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► the little girl they look freakishly [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► androgynous blonde boy was the film's [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► protagonist yes and and the Swedish is [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► the digits get a dub version of the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► subtitle person I [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► I it this would be the subtitled and [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► apparently the good subtitles [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah but the the androgynous boy [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► awaken some feelings in me I wasn't [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► entirely compatible with fair enough [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► fair enough [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► it's it's a good movie and I like one of [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► things i like about it is in many ways [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it is the anti Twilight and that it [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► really does go over the that whole [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► immortality premise and what that [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► actually means for the people who are [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► passing through the lives of a vampire [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► while they just never age and stay the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► same age and you know there's some [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► there's some really good stuff the [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► hydrogen this boy is a is a bullet as [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► you might expect and it turns out he's [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► got a friend who's a brutal killer so [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► always applied interesting things occur [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and it's all in in the cold dark of a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Scandinavian winter so everybody's [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► depressed and it's cold out miserable [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it's good while we're on the subject of [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► sort of offbeat non-traditional vampire [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► films i should probably put in a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► recommendation for a movie called Martin [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► which was another early George Romero [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► film [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► oh yeah and less of a vampire film then [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► kind of a an examination of a very [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► troubled youth but there's it's it [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► follows a young lad named Martin in very [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► impoverished city somewhere I forget [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► whether it's probably Pittsburgh because [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► everything is Pittsburgh one is Romero [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and it's never really entirely clear [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► whether he's actually a vampire and I'm [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► is the way he goes about attacking his [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► victims he actually uses a razor blade [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► miss Rindge and it's it's it's [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► interesting largely because you never [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► entirely sure whether this is just a [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► twisted sort of a murderous serial [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► killer type or whether he's actually a [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► vampire that sort of moved on to more [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► efficient techniques and he's he's [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► living with his grandfather who was [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► convinced that the kids vampire and he's [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► always walking around the house with a [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► across sort of following him around [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► that's an interesting film definitely [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► worth checking out a little slow by [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► today's standards i think you know your [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► average solve you or would probably not [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► have the patience for it but definitely [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► worth checking out very unconvincing [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► Nolan very I think smart did you see the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► dissent have not seen again [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► alright on my kid thinks about that yeah [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► yeah and pans labyrinth for sort of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► feels sort of feels like a horror movie [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► to me even though it's kind of not but [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► it kind of is [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► I well I like Pan's Labyrinth a lot even [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► though acquaintances my have problems [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► with the politics of the picture I'm [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► sure I I thought it was I thought it was [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► top to bottom even you know he [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► notwithstanding the politics even with [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► the pi thought it was I thought it was [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► terrific [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► I I I saw it in the theater and i bought [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the DVD the first day it came out I did [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► it say it is a magnificent fairy tale is [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► what it is but it's but it's that you [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► know it's the good kind of the dark and [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► very kind which is why I met the real [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► kind of that in other words what yeah [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that's exactly right now I'm standing [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► back on if you've not seen it Steve you [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► must must have heard good things but I [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► don't get out much [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► well they have these machines that allow [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► you to play movies in your home now [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► really yes they're called super 8 [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► projector how do those things we did you [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► turn the crank and and and moving [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► pictures appear on your wall [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► yes awesome so check it out with your [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► netflix you could do netflix too if you [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► want to go that way I this is netflix so [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► what else have anything we haven't [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► covered anything you think you should [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► get out there in a tutu the great [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► massive incomparable podcast listening [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► audience before before halloween night I [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► don't think so [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► I i think i think we've covered all the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► good stuff you know what the hell's the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► matter of these geeks right Tom zombies [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► potentially over overexposed kept going [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► on as much as vampires [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► not as much as vampires but but possibly [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► but we're looking forward to the walking [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► dead [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► yes and we should we should watch alien [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► again because that's a good sci-fi [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► horror kind of thing and get the bone [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► saw [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► I think that pretty much don't and and [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► steve what was the the name of that [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► werewolf movie again your snaps ginger [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► snaps it's a little hard to find because [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► it is again a canadian film and they [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► try to bury those as soon as possible [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► because I think I that it [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► Canadians I think their films are [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► subsidized by the government right [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► believe that not sure they are think so [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► i think that a good percentage that film [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► was made on the dole so and I think they [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► have to tape over the video tapes they [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► used to make them because they don't buy [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► new ones so they have to recycle them [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► they playing for a while and then they [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► take them they have their sent to [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► Toronto their demagnetized and there we [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► reused yeah that's correct that that's [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► how Canadian now filmworks that's my [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► understanding [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► I could be wrong anyway highly [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► recommended probably of the the newer [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► films that I would recommend that [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► amongst the batch of the ones that I've [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► seen lately particularly for those of [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► you who aren't you aren't big on Gor [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► babies ya punk-ass yeah alright well I [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► I'm glad that we had this conversation [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► I felt like I felt like we worked [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► through a lot of issues it is it's the [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► podcasting as therapy and I've got some [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► things to put a mind to my netflix queue [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► and now i understand more why i'm a i'm [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► a big baby who's afraid of horror movies [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► let's talk about the understanding [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► really yeah well that's how you start [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► the learning and growing is is with the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► understanding horror is our friend [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► yes it really is really the one thing we [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► haven't talked about really is why [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► people are are too gutless to watch [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► horror movies or did we didn't really [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► cover that anymore why or why they want [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► to watch them i mean right i mean that [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► their argument if I can represent my [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► people who aren't on the podcast with us [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► is why would I want to see that stuff I [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► you know it's icky I don't want I don't [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► want to see it you can flip it around [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and say why do you want to see it [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► well the same reason that people go to [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► see tearjerkers mean you go to see [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► movies generally to elicit some kind of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► an emotional response right and they [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► don't all have to be uplifting or you [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► know who that guy is having trouble in [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► his job [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► it could also be the simple kind of [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► fight or flight of oh my god I almost [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► died or if somebody tried to kill me [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► I think it's a lot harder [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► for a filmmaker to successfully scare [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► you than it is for them to make you sad [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► I mean you know they throw a dead kid at [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► you and all of a sudden you're you know [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► you're weeping but to successfully scare [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► person I think takes a lot more [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► ingenuity a lot more technique right but [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► the dead kid is a zombie and he's been [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► thrown at you in a catapult then you got [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► some horror of that then you got some [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► awesome dead kids and catapults that are [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► zombies be kidding me i don't think i've [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► ever seen if that can i was a ninja [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► pirate that's like the best thing ever [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► ninja pirate dead kids ambiance a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► catapult my catapult so yeah I mean I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► kind of admire the technique of the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► horror film particularly the ones that [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► are genuinely scary and the the reaction [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► I get from a horror you know I enjoy [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► good to keep tearjerker to but you know [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► I get a little more of a charge out of a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► good scare [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► I think it it reaffirms why we're alive [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► I and another way but better them than [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► us exactly i mean it's good to be in in [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► mortal fear every once in awhile and a [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► good horror film will do that it will [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► put you in the shoes of the protagonist [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► so that you know you you're you're [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► feeling as though you're in in mortal [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► terror right everybody in the movie [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► theater gets out alive in an hour and a [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► half later you you feel pretty damn good [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► because you survived [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► it's a rush yeah it's an escape that [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► alright you explain yourself I don't [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► know if I've explained explain the other [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► Davis sticky they don't like it I don't [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► know what the key part i get that the [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► people that just they don't have a [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► stomach for blood and gore I i get that [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► completely I mean you know some people [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► just can't take the side of that that I [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► understand the ones who just shy away [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► from even the films that are relatively [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► bloodless but it just scary that scary [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► juniors here [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► yeah scary is good i think yeah i mean i [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► i'm not a big fan and as I am older and [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► have kids you know the the the blood and [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► gore level that i can take is gone and [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► now that you had kids you seen a lot [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► worse things [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► yeah that's true i've seen Horrors her i [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► believe her has a face or immoral [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► terrible terror we could probably do a [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► whole podcast on [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► just the the variance in child's diaper [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► output over the course of the first year [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► you know it's horrible [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► you don't need to leave you know horror [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► that's just horrible [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► yeah that's right that's right [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► children's diapers and and honestly the [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► miracle birth itself [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► yeah now we got some horror wow I should [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► involves a lot more of the diaper [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► material than I was led to understand [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► yes any has the PS the I know what [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► you're talking about there for her [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► I'm not gonna sleep tonight [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► this got really wrong really fast haha [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► and on that note I want to thank [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► everybody who's still listening to this [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► podcast but it's over now I'd like to [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► thank Steve let's thank you [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► you got a man and ben boychuk from his [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► lair [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► yeah i'm going to hide under the bed now [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► alright wise decision as always i'm [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► jason l for the uncomfortable podcasts [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► we'll see you next time up I this has [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► been the incomparable podcast is it is [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► sadly incomparable dot-com [TS]

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