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00:00:15 ◼   ► episode 44 this amber 2010 go to adjust [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► your podcast this is uncomfortable I am [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► NOT Jason's now amazingly no I am guest [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► host Daniel or jason l couldn't be with [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► us tonight for reasons that are better [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► left on disclosed because then he'll [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► yell at me if I make something up but [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► we're here to talk about video games [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► which is a topic we have not previously [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► done on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► joining me is a kind of a I think the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► only thing fair to call them as a [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► rogue's gallery of incomparable [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► contributors road was a great game [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► yeah we have so we'll go down the list [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► here we have Greg NOS how you doing Greg [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► good about yourself i am doing pretty [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► well we have Steve lots yata hey mixing [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► it up a little bit [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that's right i'm in my hometown actually [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► in Newton Massachusetts we have John [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► siracusa good evening everybody and a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► new incomparable contributor a personal [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► friend of mine Tony sindelar LTE i I'm [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► so you have video games [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► this is something we talked about a lot [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► we talked about some books we talk about [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► movies and TV but I think video games is [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► a really important part of geek culture [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► and I i know many of you are avid gamers [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► some more recently in something in more [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► of a vintage fashion but the answer [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► curious to start off now just to see are [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► you calling me old [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► I yes yes I'm telling you everything [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► nice does has been to I was being polite [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► maybe I should dial this something start [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► being real Tyler for classic I caught [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► your effort that's where i'm with you [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► somebody is with you [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► ok thank God somebody's here so I'm here [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► is where you guys two things one where [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► you started out playing videos like so [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► one of the earliest video games you [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► remember playing and then maybe what [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► you've been playing more recently [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► or what you you know what system you use [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► nowadays if any of you know and go [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► around the table with that Greg what you [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► got [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► i started at the dawn of time i played [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► the original space war i played in you [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► know the arcade version in a Shakey's [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► you could drill a hole in a quarter and [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► put a string on it and rack up any [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► number of credits that you wanted before [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► they figured out to mount the whole [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► vertically rather than horizontally [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that's a different sort of game [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► yeah that's the classic shakeys and not [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► this new Fang yeah you know this is this [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► is the shakey's of 30 years ago they [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► didn't have a ranch dressing background [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► to dip your fries but we had ketchup and [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► we liked it it was a hamster of world [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► apparently I i played like the odyssey [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► to I had an atari VCS the 2600 I am I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► remember when space invaders came out [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► because it was the first game that had a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► lot of enemies rather than one little [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► blip moving at you [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► night driver all the all the old arcade [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► games that's that's what I grew up on [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► I'm retracting my vintage comment and [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► just going back to old yeah Paleolithic [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► i believe is the actual technical term [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► and then I did it I i played regularly [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► as I was growing up it's one of the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► reasons that i became a programmer's [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► because I wanted to make my own and then [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► just stopped got busy games became an [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► investment of time that I just couldn't [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► make any more for large part and that's [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► changing with mobile stuff but man the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► the kids these days [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► yeah there's there's certainly uh it's [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► certainly become much more mainstream in [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► some ways then than it ever has been [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► well i think that you know of my control [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► like a solid black ops is is like the [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► biggest media launch ever i was i was [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► amused to see there was an entire week's [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► worth of doing is very strips about it I [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► mean that you know things are doing our [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► mains are tightly it's really convenient [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► when it happens because then like old [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► people ask you about stuff I read in the [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► news interior strips on Newton to some [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► of his old people actually have to ask [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► ourselves about it [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► it's gotten that bad Steve what about [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► you where did you start up I my first [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► game system was pong and yeah the the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► black and white one that hooked up to [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► your TV it was like one console paddles [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► didn't even detach from the main console [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► on my earliest memories is watching my [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► brother defeat my uncle with his feet is [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that with pong or just in general that [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► you know it wasn't a comfort food-type [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► thing he was playing pong but it was a [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► it was still a lasting a lasting image i [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► actually have a super pong console in [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► the other room [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► it's the the one that came afterwards [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► that has four games pong volleyball [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► basketball and super palm well what the [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► hell are we doing on this podcast break [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► that out come on [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► is that a magnavox item no no this is [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► this is the Atari pong super pong it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► takes like 90 batteries you could kill [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► somebody with it by saying that and now [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► is it still functional because they used [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► to make those things totally bulletproof [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► me it is it is heavy as a brick and the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► only way I don't have an RF converter to [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► hook it up to the back of the TV antenna [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you can hear the ratchets and gears [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► because it's a very very tired squirrel [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► who makes it go smell burning and then I [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► kind of continued on you know had the [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► VCS had the Nintendo when it came out I [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► took a break during the college years to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► do some heavy drinking and then out when [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► I came to my senses I kind of got back [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► into gaming a little bit and I now that [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I've got kids that are growing up just [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► high tech to begin with they are you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► know they're they're starting to get [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► into it and I'm kind of finding a new [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► lease on gaming watching them play stuff [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► which is interesting but the most recent [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► foray into gaming is I picked up a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► connect which is the new ya microcon a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► 60 based motion tracking camera i'm [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► fascinated York magic acid hear about [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► this because I played I played a little [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► bit of weed but I have not played the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► connected all I've actually a friend [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► who's got one and was actually really [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► pumped about it which was kind of [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► surprised because he is you know not [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► necessarily out like a hardcore gamer as [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► it were but he certainly plays you know [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► plenty xbox shooters things like that [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► and so I was very curious value but he [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► was really excited about [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► dance central I guess which is one of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► the launch titles for Kinect and even [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► said some of the other ones like [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► collectibles were even kind of cool so [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► I'm kind of fascinated by this but I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► don't know what to make of a quite yet [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► I was really into my way for a while to [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and that Bob yeah that was during the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► college years as well that would be good [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► sound bite for the end by the way when [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► you use the word really pumped to in [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► that I'm John how are you [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I think I'm like a little bit after the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► old folks here i didn't i didn't have [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► pong but I my big barrier with my [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► parents would not let me have a video [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► game machine of any kind of my childhood [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► so all I'll school you all my [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► experiences with my friends so my first [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► friend who had a video game thing hadn't [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► already 2600 knows my first games and I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► played you know boom and night driver [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► and stuff like that adventure but only [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► when I was visiting over the house you [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► have that type of thing and I don't [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► remember being that excited about it [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► matter they're neat put like I think I [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► didn't really think the graphics for [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► that great and then I just didn't I [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► remember that a that impression then I i [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► moved up through you know personal [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► computers i get a pic 20 and stuff like [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► that and then i got a Mac and I ended up [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► being a mac gamer sort of by default [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► because I didn't have I wasn't allowed [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► to buy consoles so I play nes over my [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► friends house and you know [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► sega genesis and super nintendo and [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► stuff like that but in my house all i [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► had was the mac and so I bought tons and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► tons of mac games which is a weird way [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► to sort of grew up as a gamer because it [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► probably had a late [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► well there was a lot of games believe me [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► I mean I've got stuck up the boxes for [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► them you know there are a lot of games [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► most of them are horrible but and they [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► were black and white right but they had [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► really high resolution like that I [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► resolution super drunk ass over here and [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► put cafe that was a great that was a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► great show those ends to my friends who [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► had consoles and and despite that I [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► could they were black and white they're [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► blown away but think about dark castle [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► like me know nobody in console you could [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► buy had that kind of resolution those [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► kind of graphics and animation that kind [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► of detail right it was just you know [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► unearthly with mac games were like the [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► mac software is there's a ton of detail [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► that would go into it all the little [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► Courtright weeks and you know you played [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► dark castle and christmas and the suit [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► of armor would turn into a Christmas [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► tree [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► yeah and another thing about it was that [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► even even pc gaming like pc gaming with [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► CGA and EGA you could actually get [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► colors that were not teal and pink [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► ribbon so I played pc games with my [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► friends houses and you got a problem if [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► you think you can still see the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► different you come back over the mac my [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► black and white mac with a 9 inch screen [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and you know it was just amazing [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► I kind of stayed and I get over a while [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► and then you know eventually came out of [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► it when I you don't want to college and [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► could I got out of my parents house [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► basically you can buy my own video game [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► consoles for myself and just you know [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► sailed off into the sunset of console [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► modern console gaming modern pc / mac [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► gaming Amish no more and someone is over [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► but I mean I did play a lot of the NES [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► classic and stuff like that but just all [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► of our friends house so i didn't have [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► the full experience but i do feel like i [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► had this exotic it's like growing up on [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► a tropical island this exotica gaming a [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► you know crucible of growing up on mac [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► games that get some pretty I mean I had [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► a very similar experience in some ways [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► but before I mentioned that like tony is [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► one of my contemporaries what about [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► where did you start out playing I think [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► probably the first games I really then [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► on boss games on a very old computer [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► pretty windows and none of the names [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► really stick with me [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► um I mean I remember having floppy disks [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that would have like multiple games on [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► them and you know they would be very [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► simple i think one of the earliest thing [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► I remember was an incredibly incredibly [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► simplistic side-scroller we're like a [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► little helicopter over out on the screen [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► will go up and down [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► um and I agonized a nintendo you know [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the late eighties people have the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► original Nintendo but i was also the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► moment my nintendo disappeared at a [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► certain point because my parents thought [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► to determine the video games or adding [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► words I have two younger brothers and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► there was there was an incident with [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► comment1 one day I was the end of that [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► and you moved in with John at this point [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► it just just for reference for most of [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► us make our livings now with technology [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► right yeah and well I and there were [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► there was a strange kind of disconnect [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► there in the video games were not okay [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► but computer games were okay [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► exactly my parents never saw that [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► loophole either like they wouldn't let [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► me get a video game has all but all i do [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► is play video games on my computer all [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► began [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Peter wasn't like you like dedicated to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► guess that might as well have been for [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► you know forget no games and mac paint [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► basically apparently never stop party [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► girls on the c64 strip poker on the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► Atari 400 all yeah it was like when you [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► try to regulate anything that you don't [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► quite understand i was also not allowed [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► to play violent video games so much of [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► my game passed from the late eighties [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and and into the nineties would've been [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► a graphic adventures by lucasarts and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► Sarah we're kind of foundation of that I [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► remember when I LucasArts game dark [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► forces came out which is basically Star [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► Wars doom that that was like there was [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► there was a great risk there because you [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► know I knew I was not allowed to play [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► violent video games but I'm very very [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► very very very much wanted to play [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► resources because you know Star Wars but [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► so yeah there's kind of a disparity [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► there i had a very similar experience [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► and in some ways in that i did not have [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► a computer until I was probably you know [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► like 90 91 or something like that [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► i canna I can't imagine you ever [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► consider but before that I got a I ended [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► up with the with an original nintendo [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► and the only reason that happened as i [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► found out many years later was because [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► my dad actually want it at a like [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► supermarket like like sweepstakes thing [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► so he won like an original nintendo it [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► came with like three or four games [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► including Zelda the original zelda super [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► mario brothers and a couple other like a [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► couple of those nice nes advantage [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► controllers out and I was super psyched [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► right because you know I i never thought [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► i was going to get a video game system [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► but then I had the disappointing [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► experience of realizing that i was [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► really very bad most video games on the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► original nintendo which I'll argue are a [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► lot of work a lot harder than they are [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► today I mean a lot of games didn't have [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► any way to save anything or you know the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► only way they have ensuring longevity [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► was by making them hard so i would i [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► would intent like complete repeatedly [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► falling pits and just be so like [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► frustrated taking me hours to get to [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► that point or whatever that I would just [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► throw it down in frustration i think [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► there was still very much to develop [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► design ethos from arcade games where [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► by making it difficult EU generated more [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► yeah well then you have to justify the [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► 40 bucks she dropped on the game but it [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► wasn't that bad because they they they [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► did have games that you could finish and [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► yes a day or two right they weren't like [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► arcade games are really there was no [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► kill screen at the end right this is [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► treats alba and it means elbows one of [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► the first games actually have saving on [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the cart but the key was you just the [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► select button you could pause for days [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► and days as you tried to sleep with the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► fear that your brother was gonna go in [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► there your friend accidentally hit the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► power button on your lost the game [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that's been paused you know and they [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► weren't even there were the idea kind of [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► rudimentary things where they wouldn't [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► have saved games but they would let you [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► have load states i remember that i could [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► become a good man to have like a grid [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► with dots [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► yeah and i remember having like sheets [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► of those in my house is your tribe is [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► Megan to you could choose different [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► paths in terms of which bosses you'd [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► fight first and they were optimal build [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► orders and I'd have liked the tax paper [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► different permutations and it's i think [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► at one point I was trying to guess track [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► things in that you know it didn't work [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► yeah i would throw that I went from [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► Nintendo to the to the mac kind of like [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► kind of like John and I i remember [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► having my first very disappointing [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► experience out right after we got our [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► first computer i took my dad out to the [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► software store that was blocks away and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► we bought this like D&D game and I took [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► it home and didn't realize until I got [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► home that was a pc only game and that [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► was just crushing because i really [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► wanted to play it out [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► you won that round in that software [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► store probably not there anymore [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► thatthat's offer story is totally out of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► not a lot of Babbage's hanging around [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► yeah that was it was an egghead software [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that oh interesting outright or just yes [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► right there [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna County like head [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► commander keen six there i worked at a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► software etc for a year and a half [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah I'm sorry i was paying [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► penance for something yeah but I had a [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► buddy who worked at software etc in in [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► the mall by my house and he would take [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► games home and play them and shrink wrap [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► there was company policy you take [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► anything home and there was a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► shrink-wrap machine and was I ever [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► envious of that is that considered you [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► just a job education yeah you could do [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that in two [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► so very recently a gamestop even I think [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► they got in trouble like within the last [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► two years [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► yeah you're not supposed to sample your [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► wares I thought I thought that wasn't [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► like cardinal rule we talking about the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► we again didn't you play out like text [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► adventures I remember because I was [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► thinking my very one of my earliest [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► memories was going over to a friend's [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► house and playing some tax base das game [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that was basically a really it was text [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► sort of adventure but it was clearly a [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► star wars knock off like it was rescue a [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► princess from this space station before [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► the space station like blows up or [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► something and you could get this they [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► called it a vorpal blade in my coma [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► lamashtu Jabberwocky i guess but it was [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► basically a light saver but I have this [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► very vivid memory of playing at a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► friend's house when I was probably in [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► likes like first or second grade Vietnam [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► and then there's course I played some [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► Zork you know whenever I basically i [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► remember hopping around like whenever my [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► parents would take me to these sort of [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► family friends house or some sort of [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► distant cousins or something and they [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► want to entertain me they stick me in [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► the room with like the computer or [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► whatever and I would figure out why [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► whatever game was on there so I played [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► like aphids orc that way and a few other [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► things as well there was a golden period [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► of text adventures they were they were [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► all pretty lousy but they were coming [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► out like three or four a day it seemed [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► it was after infocomm had started and [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► kind of bootstrap the industry and the [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► interest in them but then like Scott [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► Adams the scott adams text adventures [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► there were 20 or 30 of them that came [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► out and then the sierra on-line also did [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that the princess and the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► something-or-other they were they [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► started within the present within the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► princess has introduced graphics the top [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► of the screen that would that would take [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► three or four seconds to draw graphics [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► that they amusingly referred to as high [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► resident yeah the Apple to in looking at [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► black and white stick figures with [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► knives spirit through them i had a head [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you freak me out with the info comping [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► just because i have memories of being an [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► engineer high school in the computer [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► labs after school and we were trying to [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► beat the Hitchhiker's Guide infocomm [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► adventure and I was that was a tough one [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that's a hard game was the first games [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► that lied to you yeah we got second part [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► with the babble that's a cheap that's a [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► cheap game oh yes that was I mean that [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► was the thing where it we got stuck in [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► the room of the babelfish and like you [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► know you trust like five minutes [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► into the game yeah and so you try the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► entire damn light put the towel over the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► great Florida Fish Hooks under the [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► talent is out satchel in front of the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► robot thing and the mail on top of the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► satchel so it flies through the air and [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the airborne robot catches the mail and [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► doesn't get the babelfish in their lands [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► in your ear [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► well I don't know that's the backlight [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► earlier i'm sorry i often get the horn [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► yeah we got all this have beaten that [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► puzzle yeah but what part of you're [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► killing her and what information could [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► be in that part of your brain is taken [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► up with memories of hitchhikers [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► it's either that or abba lyrics i found [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that thing is a dedicated slot actually [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► nothing else will fit their you spend [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► long enough working at something you you [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► you keep it [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they ported the secret of monkey island [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► on which is one of my favorite games of [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► all times like 1992 the the xbox 360 and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► i bought it was I felt a little indict [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► about you know finding it again [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► um but I think I've got further [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► indignant when I replayed the entire [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► game that took me I think like a summer [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► as you know like a twelve-year-old I [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► replayed in like two hours because I [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► remembered the answer to every single [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► possible not the puzzles were easy for [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► an adult Tony to figure out like they [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► were burned into my head well that's a [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► testament to the really good games a lot [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► of these adventures are big part of my [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► life too because how just having a Mac [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► didn't have lots of you know grants you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► a text adventure so I remember they had [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► parts of Apple to stuff like [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Transylvania and the Crimson crown those [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► are also apple two games but they were [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► basically text adventures with a little [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► graphic so you're sitting there typing [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► you know your little commands and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► the uninvited Shadowgate and i remember [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► those because again it was like at that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► age the solving one of those puzzles [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► yourself just like alters your brain and [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► interesting ways i still remember you [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► know some of them are actually not like [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► shadow gamestop had things are you drag [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► some item on top of another item is part [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► of the puzzle and it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► just typing something that's that's that [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► these games that the ones that you [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► remind my plate hundreds of games i mean [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► back back when I had my Atari 402 that [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► instead of having a childhood I i play [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► dozens and dozens and dozens of games [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and I remember a few of them but the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► ones that i remember i had have a [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► greater place in my mind then like a lot [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► of movies or books or or relatives or [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► friends well there's something about the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► whole the the interactive nature of it i [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► think because like like John saying with [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► solving the puzzles you get you get [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► engaged in a way you don't necessarily [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► when you're a passive reader or a [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► passive you know audience member [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► watching a movie but like if you do [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► something you know use some sort of [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► procedural action than it really does [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► stick with you i remember playing [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► deadline for the first time I ordered it [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► I bought it was $15 and I and it came [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and they used to come in in custom packs [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► it was a dossier that was sealed shut [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► with a no crime sticker and you open it [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► up and there was no crime scene evidence [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► and photos and it was just one had pills [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► I really yes the pills the lien put into [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► the the tea that killed mr. robin turner [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► i'm at the game sounds awesome i kinda [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► want to play that started a cave and [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► it-it-it I I'm I mean it's what gosh 25 [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► years later and I did I still profoundly [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► remember it i mean and and this survivor [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► lets you know to segue a little bit into [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the the current state of gaming I'm very [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► i find it very interesting how it seems [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► like gaming today is both a a much [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► larger world just in general mean it [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► like we talked about earlier it's gotten [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► much more mainstream and it encompasses [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► all sorts of things from mobile gaming [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► to console gaming to computer gaming to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► online you know web gaming that kind of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► stuff but in some ways the mainstream of [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► it has become very almost wrote in the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► same way that that mainstream film has I [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► think I mean you know you see a lot of [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► titles that are very repetitive and they [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► followed into a similar formula you know [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► a first-person shooter a strategy game [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► on RPG that kind of thing and it seems [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► like there's not a lot of innovation [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► there so I mean the big development [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► houses keep rehashing the same [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► properties which is very similar to what [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► happens in Hollywood right now [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► well the budgets have gotten so big that [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► they are Hollywood movies they have [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► launches and if you don't make it in the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► first couple weeks you're dead and you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► may have invested fifty million dollars [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and and you know 300 man years in [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► developing this thing and so you're not [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► going to take a risk and but every once [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► in a while you get one of those indie [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► hits right yeah you get something like [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► minecraft which is the game a lot of [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► people been talking about recently [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that's just you know some guy made this [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► game right because it was zero risk [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► right most of the big studios do it to [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► like valve that portal right and it's [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► just lonely [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► in reality no students to Paul a while [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► he acquired them it's the same things [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► like Miramax you know like the big [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► studios find someone with with a good [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► idea and give them a little bit of money [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► and maybe it's a hit and it happens in [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► movies 2 is just you know like to look [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► at clerks for example that's an example [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► of an indie hit that you know I went on [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► to let the person go on to greater [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► things or maybe lesser things many [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► haven't really had that happen for [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► another that's for another podcast yeah [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► but there's lots of you know Hollywood [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► does exactly the same thing stances that [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that whole system exists adjusted in [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► gaming it seems like people are more [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► reliably able to make money off the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► generic stuff and so like like woman [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► generic hollywood movies flop flop a lot [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► more often than generic first-person [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► shooters do i feel like because if you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► make high-quality triple a first-person [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► shooter game for the xbox with a good [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► license with intellectual property [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► you'll make your money back it's like a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► solid earner you don't have one of those [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► very rarely do you have one of those 50 [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► million dollar games come out and [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► totally flopped but you can have a [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► hundred-million-dollar movie like Ishtar [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► come out and make like nothing now so I [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► think they're they're sticking to the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► formula more just because their success [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► rate is higher than the Hollywood guys [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► are want to stick to the formula that's [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► one reason i'm excited about like the [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► smaller mobile games like on the iphone [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► is they aren't as big a risk and they [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► can really experiment with gameplay [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► there's a lot of really weird stuff on [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► the iphone that's fun and doesn't [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► require a 60 or 80 our investment or [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► sixty or eighty dollar investment and [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► and the expectation from the the gamer [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► is for the quality of graphics the [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► length of the game are a lot more [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► reasonable for one person or a small [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► group of people can actually construct [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► it's kind of a different audience to [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► because we touch interface it makes [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► people not be like member when people [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► tried to make Lego Space Invaders your [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► iphone and you know Gallagher if you're [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► gonna kind of works but it's like that's [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► not you know all the conventional games [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► of the gaming developers have been [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► making for you know decades you can make [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► those for the iphone you can but their [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► crap you have to you have to think of [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► something know which is interesting [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► because it's one of the examples of how [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► technology I think you know a lot of the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► technology has in some ways exactly stay [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► the same but its progress along logical [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► lines right we've gone to higher and [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► higher [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► resolution displays you know we've gone [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► to to better physics engines that kind [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► of stuff but i think you know the the [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► interactive part of it with the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► touchscreen both on the the iphone and [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► you know the other smartphones as well [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► as things like the nintendo dsi the dsi [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► was that was really interesting as a [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► platform just because it clearly was [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► nintendo trying to you know a whole [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► bunch of really different technologies [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► because they did their games that [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► involve touch their games involve [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► microphone you know they really played [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► with with all the conventions that we [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► had become established you that's what [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► we did to was introduced new interface [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► conventions and the kinect was always [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► been willing to do crazy remember [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► virtual boy didn't work out for them but [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► it but they've always been willing to [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► say I'm i'll stick a camera on there put [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► on goggles in order before the thing you [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► strap on your arm or you know I mean [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► sometimes they work sometimes it don't [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► they're kind of people are kind of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► dismissive at least hardcore gamers are [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► dismissive of casual gaming but it every [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► time I try and play hardcore gamers game [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► i get my ass handed to me because I [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► haven't invested a significant portion [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► of my life just becoming competent now [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► you're a casual gamer well it's it's a [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► whole different game that sunday jewel I [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► always realize that whenever i play you [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► know we'll all play a you know shooters [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► of my friends online or whatever and [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► every once in a while will venture out [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► into the wilds of the internet and [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► totally get get ripped just because I if [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► we don't know i mean there's a whole [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► nother level of game there that we [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► weren't even aware of and i find that [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► exhilarating still though because I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► still I still like you're not getting [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► your ass handed to you because I can't [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► reach it I think she's feeling is not [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► like I feel like I'm still a contender a [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► little bit like you notice i like for [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► example when I'm real tournament 2004 [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► came out like I I didn't have time to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► play games lot of whatever but I had [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► first person shooter skills kind of [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► honed by in like quick an hour back in [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► those days in a little bit of doom right [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► so i play unreal tournament 2004 during [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► my lunch break with my co-workers right [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► and then we'd go online and play people [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► and we weren't the best but we weren't [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the worst week we could hang in there [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► with the crazy 12 year olds playing [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► constantly and there's something [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► exhilarating about that level of sort of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► Darwinian survival of the fittest like [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► there's no hand-holding there's no [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► coddling it that you can play with them [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► are you can't and if you can't it's no I [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► think that's why even you can't it's no [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► fun but it's like it's like playing like [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► a sport you know [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► yeah like you're just like what [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► that ball with Shaquille O'Neal or [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► something what would not even because [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► it's other its other just other people [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► just like you but there's no there's no [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► hand-holding you're coddling there's no [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► like Oh everyone gets a trophy which you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► see a lot of in many aspects of life [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► gaming you know what I want to transmit [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► dammit right where you know all we just [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► were just here to have fun and we're [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► both know this is cutthroat competition [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► and I really love that corner is still [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► there and that occasionally i can i can [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► i can be on the same field with them and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► not not feel like i can guarantee that [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► it not only real not get a trophy you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► will probably get many other unpleasant [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► things done to you can always want you [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► and Congressman working avidly at [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► finding some way to level the playing [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► field for all video game players but [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► plus as someone with a son I really feel [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like I have to keep up these skills [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► because it's my job to for as long as I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► possibly can dominate him and all gaming [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► actually said was right until the coming [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► of age when he finally beats his father [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you want that to be an experience you [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► wanted to be like always for now you can [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► be just that i don't know i still have [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► my dad's chest and I'm 30 [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► well you know that's a different kind of [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► game but I can i use the only game i [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► think i ever convince my dad to play [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► with me was our c program on the [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► original nintendo and I definitely [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► rocked him on that because you have no [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► idea what's going on do you think that's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► a different thing with this generation [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► in the are in general our children are [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► doing things that we enjoyed his [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► children whereas i was not doing things [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► to my father enjoyed but just because [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► there was not like no technology was [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► like rollerskating rolling a hoop [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► wherever the hell he was doing his [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► girlfriend riding a bicycle with a big [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► front wheel in a tiny backwards so you [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► know but I'm but my son is watching Star [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► Wars movies my son is playing through [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► you know when Waker now game that I [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► played When I was you know in my [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► twenties you don't say it's kinda weird [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► to be raising kids in an age where they [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► actually do things that their parents [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► did and god I hope I want to don't have [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► your back into the motion controls [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► question because I think that the the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► casual gaming is an interesting field in [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that there's I mean of course nintendo [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► came out with the we like two thousand [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► six or so and you know there was kind of [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► a lot of derision from especially the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► hardcore gamers as we were saying but [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► now intend over China [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► I mean the name didn't help that i love [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► sure but i think and now everything all [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► the other major console people are are [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► copying them right i mean sony came out [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► with a motion-sensitive controller and [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► now Microsoft sort of up the ante with [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► the kinect can argue with a barrel full [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► of cash yeah if they sold a billion of [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► them that there was a great cover to [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► edge magazine that had a golden Nintendo [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► Wiimote on it said who dares wins which [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► is basically nintendo was the one who [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► dared because they were in last place in [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► 1000 was at the added the least to lose [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and so they they did the move that the [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► movie with the most guts and it paid off [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► for them [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► well we was a genius idea really for [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► them i mean that they realized they [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► couldn't compete on a purely [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► technological level with sony and and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► and microsoft and and they really didn't [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► even want to try because those two [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► systems are so similar [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► you know just these high-powered [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► graphics pushers and I would compete [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► with that with the graphics with the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► game in a gamecube generation the [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► gamecube was held its own with with you [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► know I was in between us to the xbox and [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► ps3 controller but we got the righted [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► for basically being too GameCubes [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► duct-taped together [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► well I mean it wasn't it was just one [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► game cube but the thing is they they [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► lost in the market they couldn't sell [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► games they weren't making money they [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► were in last place money-wise not [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► technology-wise like you know because [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► they don't make me have the same guys [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► make their chips you know in that [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► generation IBM made all the cpu this [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► point is not that they they could not [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► have competed on the technological [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► friend obviously could read a bunch of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► graphics chips into a box and attempted [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► to compete but i think they saw that the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► market was glutted with with the with [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► pixel pushing monsters like the xbox and [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► the the ps3 and they've always kind of [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► leaned towards this approach that [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► differs from from what Sony and [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► Microsoft which is it Sony Microsoft [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► will take a loss on the hardware upfront [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and make all their money on the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► licensing the games on the back end [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► whereas Nintendo's on opening you know [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► this this this wide-open casual market [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that was starting to burgeon and decided [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► you know rather than try and produce a [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► third more of the same kind of gaming [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► console let's try something else we [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► won't bother trying to [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► overcome the others with our graphics [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and and will actually make a profit on [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the console before we even get around to [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► taking our our skin off of the games [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► well then intent always made a profit on [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► their hardware if they could they also [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► made a profit on the games that then [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► they were the king for a while but it [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► took two generations of them coming in [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► last in terms of sales that they [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► nintendo 64 there in last place gamecube [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► there in last place and you know it's [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► not for let's look at the hardware the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► game two harbors quality harbor they [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► just they were just losing and it took a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► little head nod third-party lesson that [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► you know yeah bring it down to third [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► parties because they added couldn't [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► attract other other developers onto [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► their consoles and and meanwhile sony [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► and microsoft we're locking up by you [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► know buying rare and Squaresoft and all [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► the other big third-party developers [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► while Nintendo's appeal has always been [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► all your much of Nintendo's bill has [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► always been there [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► the first party titles right the [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► franchise's like zelda and mario right [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► now because they made all the money on [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► those right like they controlled [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► everything remember they used to charge [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► third parties to make the content [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► cartridges for yeah they had those seals [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► on the right right is that you your [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► third-party you had to give some huge [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► amount of your money to nintendo and you [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► also to pay them to build your [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► cartridges they made a profit and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► everything like they wanted that sounds [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like another company i could name but [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► yeah they are very natural like in that [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► regard on the kind of had the same fall [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► where it's like well you know that [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► business used to be a winner but now now [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that style of business is a loser [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► because no one wants to work with you [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► they want to work rise competitors so [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► they don't you just come when all they [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► had was their first party titles and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► that was it i mean by the time the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► gamecube came out you you either bought [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► nintendo first parties or you went and [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► played your friends xbox it sounds like [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► a decade there of them trying and losing [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► so it's not quite as Noble as it might [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► seem a retrospective like Oh nintendo [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► had a better idea nintendo was screwed [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► right name that you know and that [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► because they had so little to lose and [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► they were backed into a corner [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► they said all right forget they [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► basically bet the company on the week is [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that was about the company move that got [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► a new CEO is that I'm going to do this [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► crazy thing everyone thought was crazy [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► you know the before you know that you [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► want to introduce the week at the like [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► you're doing what with the what now it's [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► a remote-control you are so dead they [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► weren't that you know they never gonna [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► live this raises increase interesting [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► question to me though which is now that [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► sony and microsoft have both made their [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► own moves into the same sort of realm is [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there room for all of these different [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► companies to survive because I mean I i [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► know people who have we a we and I just [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► I feel like I don't hear about [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► constantly compelling titles coming out [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► for the content for the console and I [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► think unfortunately the we suckers now [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► 30 minutes it's kind of like back where [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the PlayStation and Xbox where the way [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► is a popular platform that there's a [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► glut of junks Oscar for it [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► people call it we shuffle where they're [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► always was [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► there's so many people developing for [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the wii and in some ways it's you know [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the graphic standards are lower the way [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► there's just there's a ton of garbage [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► out now but we has the interesting [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► problem is sort of like the nintendo 64 [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► on gamecube problem where it's like well [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► the first party titles are great but the [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► third party ones are not great and [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► before I was third party ones around [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► great just because they didn't have the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► games but now they have you know [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► shovelware they just have the bad ports [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► and it's still it's kind of must be from [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► different vendors say we we sold the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► most consoles we have the huge installed [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► base we crushed our competitors and we [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► still have only great first-party titles [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► and not great third-party titles [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► well it's interesting too because this [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► is this is very similar to what happened [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► back in 1986 or 88 are 87 or so when [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► that when they have the big video game [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► crash I mean there were there were [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► boatloads of third-party titles coming [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► out from every way for the nintendo and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► karina chase the chuck wagon that was an [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► atari 2600 title that was the previous [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► crash and it kind of makes me wonder if [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► we're not about to see something similar [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► i mean i-i think we have the outlet of [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► mobile to prevent that crash because I [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► think you're just people shift the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► dollars because the explosion of mobile [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► gaming shows it's not just gonna like go [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► away go like gaming gaming is now is now [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► too-big-to-fail basically like it's too [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► diverse you can't kill it is too big to [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► fail as a bad analogy it's more like I [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► can make her like you can you can chop [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► off all the combos and make every [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► console makers fail right but it doesn't [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► matter because game has got its claws [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► into everything you can never get rid of [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► it maybe like Blackmore we gonna sexy [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► you keep taking showers on your mind [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► your mind again now there's a real black [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► mold is going on you know are we gonna [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► start to see a government meeting with a [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► video game sometimes that's what may be [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► a doormat bailout video game I would bet [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that that is it just because I did you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► say that giving is like a black hole [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► like guacamole it was a little looking [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► all over thinking of you know what gets [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► into your house and you just can't get [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► it out it's going to burn the house and [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► I really any point is that you killed [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► all the consoles like gaming would still [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► be alive if it's not going to be like [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► wasn't cocky ladies you know the podcast [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► of misplaced analogies I think we'll [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► concentrate III yeah i know i think that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the the we is is definitely going to see [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► a lot of challenge from microsoft and [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► sony but i don't i don't know are people [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► really that desirous of like you know [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► standing around protecting their arms is [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► that is that something that appeals to [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► people with us keep buying them they [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► sure as hell bought a lot of them right [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► at me [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► dan I don't know about you but I'm [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► flapping my arms of right now and it's [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► not tonight right [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► I mean I'm not gonna sales time like I [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► can tell you that was like you know the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► third johnny-come-lately the third one [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► the last guy to get emotional and they [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► still sold a billion of money you know [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► it was like a million and a half of the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► first month like that selling electronic [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► scheduled ever [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► yeah I don't know they sold a lot and I [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► wonder part of that is I mean they sort [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► of took it to the next level right both [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► with Sony 101 require the you know your [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► controllers that you're moving around [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and Microsoft like screw that we're [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► going to go straight to just you know [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► you know it's just you you are the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► controller and so I mean I i don't know [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► i have not like I said I'm played one I [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► know nothing about you know its merits [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► or what have you but that seems like [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► another pretty it seems like they're [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► trying to take it to the next level [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► trying to one-up them right well I can [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► tell you that they're their marketing [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► work gangbusters because my [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► four-year-old before we bought the thing [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► was walking around the house for days [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► saying with kinectimals you are the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► controller that is kind of kind of [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► terrifying action was very distressing [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► for me personally and get you went out [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► and got one anyways I was amped he was [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► and what what is it about that appeals [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► to you i mean i'm curious is it just you [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► know I think after whatever spend 30 odd [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► years of gaming I i'm interested in [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► giving the new stuff [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► try whenever it comes out because i [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► think i've i've pretty much reached the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► point where i'm jaded on standard gaming [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and it doesn't really hold as much [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► interest for me as it once did [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► so tell us about kinectimals well the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► the first of all the connect itself [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► actually works surprisingly well I i [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► waited for the free or the initial [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► reviews to come in before I went out and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► got one and they were I guess sort of [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► mediocre to positive so I wasn't [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► expecting much when I look the thing up [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► but I was shocked at how well it [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► actually tracks you I mean it does have [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► its issues you know freaks out [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► occasionally when you move your hands in [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► front of your chest and it loses track [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► of where your extremities are which we [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► usually results in some pretty hilarious [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► results on the screen when you watch [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► your on-screen avatars like hand [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► snapping it's very unusual ways and but [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► by and large the technology works a lot [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► better than i was expecting it to Bob [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► it's not really one to one that they I [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► guess microsoft opted not to put any [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► kind of processing power within the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► device itself so it's up to the 360 to [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► actually do all the processing which [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► does result in some lag but it's it's [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► very similar to the wii I where you know [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► the wii remotes really the phi delta T [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► on the things ridiculous just horrible [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► and a couple of good developers nintendo [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► most notably with wii sports just [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► figured out ways to work around the fact [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► that the things really had no idea where [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► they were in space and they later they [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► later updated the base of the whole new [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► add-on that supposed to bring yeah that [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► one that's built-in now actually and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► that does work a hell of a lot about [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that the ad on the motionplus add-on [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► which is now built into the wiimotes [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► that you buy that's the way everyone [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► thought it worked when they first bought [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► the way it is much better yet but they [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► get he did the first round i mean the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► the only way that they really sold the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► system was by making wii sports smart [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► enough to not really care with the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► control that's well that's part of the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► brilliance of game design I think [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► because people just want to have fun [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► right and if they don't realize that in [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► order to win at this you know bowling [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► game you just needed to flicking your [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► thing in a certain way because it's [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► really just a tilt sensor if they don't [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► know that and they go through the whole [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► big motion they turn the game so that [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► going through a full fledge bowling [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► motion [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► adults in the correct series of inputs [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► to win the game and it's it's easier for [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► people to say i'm just going to do my [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► bowling motion and then just sit there [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► like a gamer and figure out how do i [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► have to manipulate these accelerometers [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► to win the game right so people just did [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the footballing motion and I think that [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► that's just good game design that's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► working within limitations to make a [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► game that people find fun you know I see [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► that is an interesting parallel to [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► something like rock band which is a game [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► that you know I played a lot of in the [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► last few years in that there I [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► definitely know people who are entirely [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► focused on playing it to you know like [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► perfection and so they'll sit on the [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► couch and will be very intent like [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► they're all just sort of like pressing [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► all the buttons you know the there you [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► can see them sort of deep in thought [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► about it as opposed to the people who [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► will play it by being like you know hey [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► let's see where we're rockstars you know [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► let's just stand around and and sing in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► and you know play like we're actually in [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► a band and maybe that's just different [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► approaches to gaming but it is kind of [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► an interesting disparity that's always [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► intrigued me [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► I wonder how long the kinect is going to [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► last I mean I realize it's interesting [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► to technology and people are doing a lot [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► of cool stuff with it just outside of [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► gaming but we only got the wii we played [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you know all the wii sports and all the [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► swing your arms around stuff and we got [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► the little thing that sits on the floor [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► that you can step on and it's just kind [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► of sat in the corner after the first [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► couple of months just because it's [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► annoying to get up off the sofa that's [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that's a lot of air that is on the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► reason i like that and I mean I [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► understand how getting up and swing your [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► arms around and you know the the we [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► exercise stuff you can work up a sweat [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► but that's not what I do when I'm in [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► front of the TV or ever [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► I think all these different input things [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► we have here like you know we've got [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► motion sensors we've got the gyroscopes [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and got cameras who you know all these [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► two different things [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► these are converging on like it's kind [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► of like when we had no telephones were [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► just phones and I had cameras in them [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► and then they you know had GPS in them [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► is like these different forms the input [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► well sort of you know be refined and [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► converge to the point where it will be [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► taken for granted two generations from [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► now that all these sensors exist in your [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► living room you've got multiple cameras [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► multiple microphones you know and you [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► can do a lot of interesting things with [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► what you're saying is you're living room [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► will be a hollow deck that's gonna take [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► a while but I'm just like the people are [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► going to be debating how do we really [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► need [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► motion controlled you really need a [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► camera pointing at me it's like well duh [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► you know every phone has a camera world [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► of course my living room has 12 camera [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► so we can get me and you know [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► quadraphonic stereo scar you don't want [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► to use them but yeah they're going to be [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► used for everything can be used for [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► turning on the TV for changing channels [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► for you know selecting for menus and yet [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► for playing games because why wouldn't [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► you use them for games not exclusively [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► for games not big not controllers [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► disappear but it's just one more thing [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► to add right yeah but i just i get i [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► don't find my kids when they play the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► wii now they sit on the sofa they turn [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► the controller sideways and they play [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► super battle you know Twitter at while [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► traditional games have a lot of mr. of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► you know that the traditional games will [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► always be there but i think if you if [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► you had a traditional game that had for [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► example people tracking right you could [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► be holding a controller but looking on [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► the screen to do stuff with you know it [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► to do different things look with your [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► eyes change viewpoint or you know a matt [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► targeting thing and that's where the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► connected really gets gets interesting [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► is because you know you have really your [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► first true sort of semi holodeck [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► experience when you set up what they [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► call your connect ID you've had sex with [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► were you in shakespearean times there [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► was a the forties going on holiday I [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► could take my understanding is every [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► time they go into the hundred something [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► bad happens [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► yeah it's all resolved in the end [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► whatever it was that all your games like [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► the other connect all your games will [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► take 40 minutes and there will be nicely [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► wrapped up with the if I went and if i [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► had my own holiday the thing would [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► constantly be shorting out just from [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► fluids flowing fluid and we all do we [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► all agree that if if the whole day [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► actually existed it would end humanity [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► within like easily LOL starcraft can [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► kill half of Korea that a holodeck will [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► kill the world [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► yeah we'd all be dead in the holodeck [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► ins starve to death i'm assuming inside [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the whole back within a year and a half [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► all humanity the top that's a big [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► holiday if individually we can all be [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► the same holiday goodbye [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► so any high you he gets a compelling [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► future gaming but was this podcast about [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the greenbags your damage i want to hear [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► about the kinect let's go [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► so yeah you can set up this thing called [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► you connect ID which is associated with [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► your avatar and which which basically [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► represents your saved games for for the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► xbox and it involves you moving around [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► various places in your living room and [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► turn your head slightly and it takes [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► various sort of pictures of your face [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► subsequent to that you walk into the [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► black my daughter was playing [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► kinectimals the other day and I happened [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► to walk past her on my way to the couch [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► and a little thing popped up saying mr. [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► Baum biscuit has signed in [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► that's nice serving for an audience of [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► reasons it's so heavy it is a little [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► freakish in in a lot of respect but so [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► it's that's that was an interesting [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► experience and I think it's part of the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► excitement with the connectors is I [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► think people kind of see that we're [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► really sort of on the edge of of what [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► may end up being holodeck technology [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► someday in the future [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► well I mean that is there is some really [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► interesting stuff going on with all the [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► facial detection I know when they first [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► showed off the kinect they had that [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► whole creepy peter molyneux oh is it out [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► yeah a little i can roll with the name [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► is Milo Milo right with the little boy [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► who lives inside the Xbox ones that will [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► have to desperately to be his friend you [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► know I understand the economic reasons [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► but isn't it weird that all this kind of [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► a facial detection and and body tracking [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► and is is being developed for games now [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► it's being developed for defense as well [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► but games always one of those things [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► that push the envelope I mean when you [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► look at any you know like computers [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► during the nineties what I have what [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► have you or a games are the things that [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► push the processor is faster and the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► graphics cards better and all that right [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► because they're always the most [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► demanding thing on the system and there [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► were no sound cards for pcs Intel gaming [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► pushed well things like facial [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► recognition or 3d graphics cards or [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► memory organization now body tracks like [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► facial recognition they had four years [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► for you know FBI databases and stuff and [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► it takes awhile for the technology to [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► scale down to be on consoles and things [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► like a gait analysis and other body [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► tracking that was a little bit from [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► Hollywood you know with motion-control [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► and special effects but you need to know [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► big rigs lots of computers and [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► eventually becomes practical to do that [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► with smaller computer so in this respect [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► I think [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► gaming is getting the hand-me-downs [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► unlike graphics were gaming was pushing [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► the envelope this in this area game is [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► getting the hand-me-downs of other [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► industries who did this [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► more expensively on government contracts [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► with big hardware and now we can do it [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► you know on our phones are on anyone [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► with the kinect comes with a blue [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► bodysuit with ping-pong balls glue all [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► over that's the playstation move is the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► move gives you a stick with a ping-pong [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► ball on a thread and I like that about [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the move because that's proven [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► technology like ball-and-stick works now [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► we're getting back to the kind of games [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► that your dad used to play answer is [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that one the ball you have to catch it [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► on the stick on the move is already [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► there it's stuck there but you've [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► already watched there's no challenge [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► involved in that [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► where's the honor well makes me wonder [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► what other technologies are going to [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► trickle down a well we all be flying [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► Predator drones around in my playing [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► games with the who's in like two years [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► oh man really was gonna be great so [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► messy well if it connects proven [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► anything it's that the technology has a [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► long way to go i mean you do i will say [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► it works about as well as the we did on [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► launch in terms of its ability to track [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► you and it is very very cool you know [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► when it's implemented properly in the [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► games like I think that the standout [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► title for the connected launch was was I [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► think somebody mentioned dance central [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► which is amazingly fun if you don't mind [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► flailing about ridiculously in your [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► living room for you know the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► embarrassment the embarrassment factor [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► for the entertainment of your friends [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► and neighbors and that's an example of [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► using the Kinect technology on the low [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► end like this that connects can do tons [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► of stuff but all dance central is doing [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► his edge detection and catching your [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► silhouette so let's don't like the way [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► of the way you well know that could [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► connect can also do depth in to see how [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► far you know it can do it [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► it was a depth map of like how far your [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► hands are in front of your behind you [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► but the but the dance central [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► specifically issues all the connects [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► technology except for edge detection [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► which is really simple you know image [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► algorithms that's what makes it [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► responsive and that's what makes it you [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► know sort of more reliable than we're [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► trying to track your limbs in 3d space [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► when they're also not expecting an [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► immediate real-time response to your [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► movements [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► I mean it's it it's set up in such a way [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► that you're not actually looking at an [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► image of yourself on the screen you're [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► looking at right haven't screwed answer [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► and and as you're moving around you know [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► it has time to x [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► we figure out what it is that you're [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► doing before it has to put it up on the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► screen that you've screwed up your right [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► leg or whatever [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► probably the biggest downside of the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► kinect is the fact that it takes such a [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► huge amount of space in order for you [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► actually play the games mean if you live [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► in a small concert hall you're in good [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► shape but I can't really foresee it [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► selling well in Japan or anywhere else [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► where people live in these little shoe [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► boxes is that I mean you have to move [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► the coffee table [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the couch no you're the retaining wall [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► of your house and only then do you have [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► enough room that you're not you're [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► standing on your son on the couch so you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know it does have its problems but [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► definitely an interesting tech and and [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► the games are surprisingly fun for which [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► is which is more than i was expecting to [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► be honest I like to put a plug in as [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► long as we're you know talking about [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► these innovative technologies there are [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► some really good even among those [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► triple-a titles that are that are [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► somewhat derivative I find every once in [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► a while they're there are a couple that [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► they do really interesting and new [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► things and this week I've been playing [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► just started playing this new game [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► assassin's creed brotherhood which I [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► have not played a single bit of the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► single player for but the the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► multiplayer is fascinating and I think [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► it was most simply described by one of [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► the guys at penny arcade as you ever [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► play the game assassins when you're in [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► high school which is basically had a [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► group of friends and you know you [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► basically the game involved every person [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► got like a target among the group around [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and you had you got like a plastic spoon [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► or something you had to like go up and [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► like stab them with the spoon and dinner [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► and then you collect on their target you [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► would inherit sort of whoever they were [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► supposed to kill well [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► Assassin's Creed it kind of has a [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► multiplayer that that sort of like this [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► and it's it's a fascinating twists on a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► lot of the typical first-person shooters [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► because unlike those which really rely [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► on twitch gaming and and reflexes and [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that kind of stuff [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► Assassin's Creed kind of makes you fight [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► all those instincts basically you're [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► dropped into a map with that is [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► populated entirely with a finite number [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► of character models say H or something [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► so everybody on the map and there's a [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► decent number of people on the map looks [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like one of these eight characters [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► there's multiple versions of all of them [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► and so each player is all [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► so one of those characters in your [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► you're told to assassinate you know one [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► of the other characters but they look [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► like any number of people on the map so [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► somehow you have to figure out you're [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► talking about high-tech stratego here it [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► sounds like it's very asker's day [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► because you have to walk around sort of [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► slowly and blend in the strategy is to [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► play like an artificial intelligence and [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► and that's it's very very strange but [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► it's really effective because you'll be [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► walking through this crowd you're trying [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you don't want to run or anything that [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► will draw attention to you and someone [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► will brush value and you'll you'll have [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► that split second where you're like me [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► something about that guy was not quite [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► right and then they just stab you in the [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► back I like it as a candidate it's you [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► know there have been a stealth action [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► games for a long time the previous [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell and [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► feeds and things like that we're like in [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► a very simple mechanic were like you [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► know if you move slower you won't arouse [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► the the attention of guards around you [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► but I like this that now that it's not [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► like you know you're moving too fast or [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► not like red light green light but like [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► you are moving in a way that will be [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► preceded by a human has a regular or not [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► it's a reverse Turing test [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► yeah exactly it is a reverse reminded of [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► the second episode of the walking dead [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► have you any BS anything up on that [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that's a different podcast that we're [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► saving that for the end this is the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► beauty of playing with other people [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► though because that experience that you [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► had their with dan with other people [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► you couldn't have had nothing to do with [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► the computers there's no no absolutely [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this gate yeah it does not work without [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► that and really it works best when you [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► have a certain number of people [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► otherwise it gets just too easy to [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► figure out but it was it was a [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► fascinating experience from coming from [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► a lot of games where it's like the goal [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► is you know you gotta run really fast [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► you gotta shoot somebody a lot you know [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and then you gotta try to get away [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► where is this one it's really about [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► blending in and fighting those instincts [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► to do anything that's going to get you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► there faster and in fact there are a lot [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► of people you run into online who do [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► take that approach of like I'm gonna run [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► really fast and try to kill everybody [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► and get killed you and you don't get [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► rewarded for either they're gonna [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► questions [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► well i'm gonna i'm going to defend my [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the the traditional gaming and they do [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► at the top levels traditional [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► first-person gaming at you know where [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you think i was at which game you run [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► really fast and shoot everybody you have [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► to play that strategically if you try to [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► play like run around should everybody [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► you will not be able to [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► with you know reasonably good players [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► it's a strategic game in terms of [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► territory and power up control and not [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► just running into fights that you can't [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► win that's what separates you know the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► the the top tier players from just 0 [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► units from the thirty-year-old great [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► president but the 12 year olds learn [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► this it's amazing like this you have to [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► know the territory make you know sort of [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► defending the turf that has the power [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► ups and not engage in fights that you're [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► going to lose it becomes like a senior [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► sort of Sun Tzu art of war type of thing [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► it looks crazy and twitchy and you do [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► need the crazy fast reflexes which is [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► why we still get our butts handed to us [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► by 12 girls because their reflexes are [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► just better than 30 year olds right but [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► there is that other element lurking [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► underneath all types of gameplay [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► yeah I will second as somebody who's had [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► you know been beaten by a number of [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► twelve-year-olds is definitely it's [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► there's there's a lot more to the game [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► that like i was saying before the there [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► you sometimes you suddenly figure out a [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► certain point like whoa there's like a [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► whole nother level like exponential have [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► a lot of the game than what I am [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► perceiving and I met and that has [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► doesn't have much to do the reflexes as [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► it does with you know understanding the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► strategy mechanics again what's the best [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► way to play this and it even if it looks [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► like just a random shooting spring it's [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► not i used to play battlefield two and [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it was a great game it was the first [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► massive multiplayer game i played and [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► you could assemble into squads and there [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► would be a squad leader who would [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► determine your your strategic approach [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► to a particular target and I loved on [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► one night and join the squad and the [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► squad leader was issuing the red radio [TS]