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00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable contest number 21 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► Tom a club for january 2011 back on the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast and conquer club [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► is back in session yeah it's been awhile [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► some things have happened one of our [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► panelists had a baby you see these [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► things happen not in comic books they're [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► very rarely people that should be a [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► topic babies comic books different you [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► know I don't like to say about that now [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► because I've got a lot of time to think [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► about it because I bet you have [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► I bet you have we should that would [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► actually be a great well maybe we'll [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► talk about that later maybe maybe we'll [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► talk about it sooner depends how [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► desperate we are [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► anyway i'm jason l i'm your host and [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► joining me today in the comic book club [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► as always our jason reitman hey and Lisa [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► Schmeisser there [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► congratulations on your baby thank you [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► uh so our topic today is events and and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► my my first exposure to events in [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► comic-book land what we not like events [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► that occur because events occur [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► hopefully if you're lucky at every comic [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► book other than some decompression kind [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► of comics like brian michael bendis [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► rights where this just dialogue in no [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► event which I like but there's no event [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► happening i'm talking about big events [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► the first of which that I experienced [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► was the secret Wars Marvel in the [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► eighties which was kind of unfulfilled [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► it was much hyped and very exciting and [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► everybody bought it and in the end sort [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► of didn't really change anything except [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► spider-man's costume and and it wasn't [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► that interesting and it was a letdown [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► and funny i think that pretty much sums [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► up events and shit wrong with it it [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► changed everything alright tell me tell [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► me why secret words changed everything [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► just don't want to hear this [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► aside from spider-man's costume that [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► spider-man's costume actually led to the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► one of the creations of the only [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► villains in the last what 20 years that [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► has had any staying power which is venom [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► which is venom which is not one of my [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► favorites got to say right all right but [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► you have to give him credit for when you [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► say what villain has been created the [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► last 20 years [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► no not dr. do not [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► yeah it's no you're right them the it at [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► magneto became a good guy [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► yeah yeah and damaged implications that [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► still you know now using rubber rates [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► across the books though that's what I'm [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► saying and all right [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► ok so so here's my first question then [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► for you guys is well just dive right in [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► events are events about changing the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► world and setting off on new stories [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► outside the event or they about telling [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► good stories because what you're saying [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► is is my respect your false choices and [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► I set up the third pitch of events [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► prepare our events about boosting sales [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► across all title i completely over a [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► hundred percent with Lisa alright the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► chicken location so so so number one so [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► when we're talking about events you know [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► crisis on infinite earths and all other [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► crises that far usually that changed far [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► more and had implications well into [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► today it's still scream continuity even [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► into today I'm well known to this day I [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► have no idea where cover girl came from [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► because birthday [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► oh my god that help our groceries a few [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► years ago where they tried to reboot her [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► origin [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► yes you are getting into the deep bow [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► which item which is one of the issues [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► with these events because a lot of the I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► mean I would actually argue the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► difference between secret wars in crisis [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► will both of which i bought is that [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► secret wars was a sort of a story like [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► contest of Champions which was [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► essentially the model which was this [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like three issue really cool Marvel [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► miniseries it was it was a what if we [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► put everybody together and they fought [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► kind of crossover thing right crisis [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► Crisis was like that the crisis was also [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► all about kind of like continuity in the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► universe and and the challenge with that [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► is that it you know some people are [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► really excited about continuity in the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► universe and other people are not tear [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► but so for the debt crisis was about [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► solving a problem the DC universe had [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► mainly the continuity was so screwed up [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► after so many years and for the ones who [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► didn't care about that they threw in the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► death of Supergirl right and the pitch a [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► classic cover classic cover the Secret [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► Wars was not trying to solve a problem [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► it was five and sale of them too [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► try to generate revenue and it was [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► actually my understanding is it was done [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► at the request of mattel because they [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► are creating a Marvel toy line and they [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► wanted something to push the Twilight [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► Twilight and some coherence they created [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► secret wars and you had the Secret Wars [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► toy line so it was it was a comic book [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► to push action figures [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► wow wow [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► as opposed to microns haha thank you [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► Lisa for making our obligatory and my [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► ground reference to the comic book that [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► survived past its product that it was [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► preparing strange yeah [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► in that case the product came first the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► survivor's guilt yes but in this case it [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► was the product and marketing well I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► mean the fact is events are about [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► lifting sales there's no doubt about it [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► one of the complexities of events secret [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► wars was interesting in that it its [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► impact really was in its own story and [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► in all the other books you saw everybody [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► leave and then everybody came back and [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► your left to wonder what happened while [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► they were gone the modern event like [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► your civil war or your mother or your [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► what are the green matters is the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► blackest night and brightest day but [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► yeah I think they brought in my black [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► lanterns and red lanterns and applause [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► as I believe came up on a previous [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► podcast the big reveal their is there [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► are other colors in the spectrum boom [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► shocking secrets been kept from us that [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► there are other colors and sizes but [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► those are all about like lots of books [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► and then it gets really confusing [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► because it's like it's it's a it's now [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► designed not just some more copies of [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► this new thing but it's to sell [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► individual issues of a huge smattering [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► of rats and it's it's it's the only [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► crossover itself or the event sells [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► really well and then you put the event [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► logo on another book that may or may not [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► have anything to do with the event and [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► it sells really well and you know the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► first thing to do that one of the big [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► events that came right after secret wars [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► or just couple years down the road from [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► Secret Wars was the mutant massacre [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► yes which took place in the three main [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► x-men titles of the time x-men x factor [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► and mutants and then they threw in two [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► issues of it and Thor and one in power [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► pack and going to hold those sales went [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and they went huh you can so i can [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► finally sell power past year later [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► literal year later because usually the [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► events in the old days happened in the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► fall [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► a year later came inferno also driven by [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► the x-men titles and that crossed over [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► into 32 other books from daredevil to [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► wow power pack when I still they still [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► do things like that comes back before [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► they began collapsing x-men titles when [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► they did the house of an event [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► everybody got involved even down to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► Captain America [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► yep and Captain America has nothing to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► do with the ex I mean aside from the gut [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► adventures tie-in but they had a whole [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► special issue what would have happened [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► if house event more real and fans [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► complain and complain complain yet [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► everybody anyway I it anyway so I'm [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► gonna just keep doing it and and I one [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► of the nice things about the the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► revolution in having trade paperbacks [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and hardcovers for people who are less [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► hardcore about collecting the the the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► monthly pamphlets me is that they can [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► collect those stories and yeah and it [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► makes more sense so it's so in some ways [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► even though it's it's spreading out [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► across all of your individual issues you [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► get a chance with the hard covers and [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► the end of trades to kind of suck it [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► back together and have it make a little [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► bit more sense which is interesting [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► although even then you you end up [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► reading an issue of a book that you [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► haven't read and are like well who are [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► these people and all that which is where [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► it so anyway here is around go out and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► buy that title now writings and learn [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► what the things I was going to bring up [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► is when they do these cross hands [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► because these issues are also meant to [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► serve as introductory reads for people [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► who aren't familiar with them a lot of [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► times that they're there they're not [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► characteristic of this series as a whole [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► so if you do read an issue of other of [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► it Italian and then decide to pick up [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► the monthly book here you're like wait a [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► minute when i read the first one these [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► characters had a with the red part a and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► it was action packed and now it turns [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► out they sit around and solve crimes and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► are boring what what's up at and it is [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► almost like someone falsely goods for [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► example I think x factor is a fantastic [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► series Peter Davis a great writer and [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► it's got a lot of fun dialogue that's [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► super super tired cheek but every time [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► they've been pulled into something like [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► Civil War [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► our house of them or whatever that the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► tedious we have to find the last meeting [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► I forget the name of the the title that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► just the name of that event that just [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► happened but you know X Factor ends up [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► being a total drag and boring and no fun [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► to read and it's a horrible introduction [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► for people who don't know the series and [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► it's a 10 it sitting down for people who [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► have been following since issue 1 so I [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► wonder I wonder how much of the problem [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► of events in comic books is the scope [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► that to get that big scope you have to [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► tell a story that he may not even be a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► story worth telling or is a story that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► isn't particularly interesting and and [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► that if you if an event if you could [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► call it that is essentially a story of [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► what you know let's do this tale even if [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it's a crossover really interesting [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► about secret wars at least it was a [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► story that was sort of self-contained [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► and it's going the scope is sprawling [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► and it's happening everywhere the an [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► event i read in the last couple of years [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► was annihilation from Marvel wishes [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► their cosmic superheroes i'm a big fan [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► of the Nova since I was a kid which is [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the Green Lantern knock off on Marvel [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► but I was like Nova and he wasn't a [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► prime mover in the annihilation comic [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► and it was interesting and it was kind [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► of cool looking but at the same time to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► scope was so vast that you really could [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► I mean you couldn't even tell what was [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► going on a lot of the time and it's not [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► that fulfilling as a story didn't end it [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► well you know what kind of mind games [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► going back in the nineties when NBC have [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► their comedy blocks they would do a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► thing where they have the actors from [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► one she appeared another show and it was [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► oh no seriously no I I know exactly what [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► you're talking about haiti i refuse [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► their own friends and Kramer isn't mad [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► about you with paul reiser yeah exactly [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► and that's what events feel like you [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► like to be half of the time because i [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► can accept in the marble white virginio [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► longer is with homicide now I know [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► yeah well one time sometimes it works [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and sometimes it doesn't mean for [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► example i can accept in the Marvel [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► Universe you have the runaways we're [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► running around doing their thing you [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► have the adventures you are did the [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► grown-ups for solving crime you have the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► x-men doing god knows what I'm god knows [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► what part of the country depending on [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the story arc going on so forth [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► green everywhere over 80 yeah and you [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► certainly loner he gets around basic [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► spend some time in japan with Wolverine [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► to ya but at the same time you know for [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► example at the end of the first runways [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► are Captain America comes to deliver [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► some truth justice and American when the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► kids and it's kind of jarring because [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► you're even believe it now you're on at [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► nine here at nine-thirty as it were and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► I'm i feel that way about events [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► sometimes to wear unless the writer has [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► really thought out the interactions [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► between these characters and and what [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► they're going to bring to them it feels [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► really forced together it's like you're [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► playing Barbie and Gi Gi at the same [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► time which I mean there is an aspect of [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that but who didn't I mean as a kid kind [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► of slammed together things that didn't [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► belong together when I was a kid and [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► this is not a microwave story i swear we [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► played a game in on the playground like [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► first grade called stars an and it was a [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► Tarzan star trek mashup I my kids [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► awesome so there's something to be said [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► for that kind of of weird mashup the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► problem is that most of the times it's [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► not really that fulfill is why you keep [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► buying those event books yet you because [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► you're hoping that if you just hope each [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► time and then Superman vs spiderman [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► right that was the old school event [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► right those DC Marvel mashed-up things [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that make no sense but it didn't matter [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► x-men teen titans when you this is [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► actually now the problem with trade [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► paperbacks to is when it came out on a [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► monthly basis and made no sense you [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► could chalk it up to [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► well I just forgot something that was a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► month ago I read the last chapter right [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► now you get the collections and sure [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► enough put it all together read at the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► same time still makes no sense [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► yeah it's like playing TV shows on DVD [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► when you're like wow that really doesn't [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► hang together shows are better some [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► shows and comics are better being read [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► as a collection and other ones fall [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► apart when you don't have a week or two [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► to judge the more month [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► mhm yeah one event that I think I broke [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► all of the what we're talking about [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► where things don't make sense and it [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► would characters don't make sense and it [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► was sort of jarring was valiant comics [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► which was started by jim shooter after [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► he left Marvel and they did this event [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► called unity which was they took it was [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► two chapters of each of their [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► five or six comics and launched a couple [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► of comics during it and then had a a0 [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► issue an issue once like bookends that [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► were unity where everybody's together [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► and that was so well-crafted because [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► every single chapter was written by jim [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► shooter had one writer throughout our he [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► may have had help on some of the the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► books but it was so tightly controlled [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► that a panel in one comic would also be [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► used in one of the other comics so [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► essentially what you were seeing was in [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► events if the event had all of the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► characters in one of the books you would [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► see that event from one character's [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► perspective and the other issue would [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► see it from a different characters [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► perspective the same event and [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► everything was time-stamped so if you [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► look at it across the whole thing you [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► could look follow the timestamps and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► sure enough the panels were drawn where [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► it was drawn from one person's [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► perspective and the other was drawn from [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► the other wow so well-crafted yeah that [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it it broke it is said to set the tone [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► for what event books could be but you [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► can only do that if you have you know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► dictatorial oversight and control over [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► every aspect and not too while the scope [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► because you can couldn't have that kind [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► of control and oversight over 50 or [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► right but they actually took the Holy [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► about the the valiant universe is they [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► had their present day characters in [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► books and then they had two books that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► were in the year 40 40 80 you know [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► Magnus robot fighter and stuff was in [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► the future and everybody ended up in the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► same and they had to rock [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► who was this Indian character from the [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► stone age and they all ended up in the [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► lost land timeless place where there's [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► dinosaurs and technology and match them [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► all together and they ended up taking [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► one of the characters in one of the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► present-day books was pregnant and it [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► was she had one of her character has a [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► boyfriend the other one was actually the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► father of the child is very what's going [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► to happen with this whole baby thing [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► getting back to the US interests and [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► then they that at the end she has the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► baby during unity and the baby is given [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► to this robot character who's from the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► magnets robot fighter and the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► implications is this [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► Magnus was always a an orphan nobody [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► knew where he came from the implication [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► being the present-day characters here [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► baby goes into the future and that's [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► Magnus and it ended up this whole big [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► story which lots of stuff happened it [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► tied the entire universe together before [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it wasn't tied together in that kind of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► way and it was just so well structured [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► it's hard to find now because valiance [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► are mostly out of print and those [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► characters Magnus soul aren't Turok are [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► actually being published by dark horse [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► now so the company that owns the old [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► valiant characters don't you think could [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► reprint it without get so it's in legal [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► limbo and you probably won't see it but [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► you can on ebay get immunity is a series [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► of for trade paperbacks and highly [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► recommend victorian also on Victoria [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► entire valley universe on bittorrent [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► including unity not that you know this [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► podcast is going to pick its argument [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► for an ipad ever get through [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► yeah we should have apple do [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► advertisements now that's an idea no [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► apple doesn't do and what are you [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► talking and they don't need to maybe I [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► the unlike a lot of the crossovers now [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► where it's done purely marketing reasons [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and no this book is is selling low so [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► we'll throw them into the crossover [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► regardless of if they have anything to [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► do with anything [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► walking down what are you doing here [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► right it was like that and I kind of [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► feel crisis on Infinite Earths the first [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► one was was like that too [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► they had some crossovers but it was [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► really story-driven and Mark women did [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► such a great job with that sorry what [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► stands still holds up 25 years later [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► yeah no no question usdc does crossovers [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► better do you think Marvel does the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► events better which if you had to choose [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► if I would say DC if you interview just [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► frame the question like that just those [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► together i'm training like that because [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► those are basically you're here your [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► your your coke versus Pepsi I'm right i [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► would say now I am Marvel guy but this [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► is one of those i actually started i was [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► reading both Marvel and DC back in the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► eighties and actually really got I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► didn't like secret wars but I was really [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► turned off by crisis on infinite [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► universe or ignorance and the reason was [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that it disappeared up the backside of [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► continuity and I felt like with this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► many parallel universes and the whole [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► story is about the you know the the one [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► Superman retcon and versus the other [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► Superman redcon and no [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► is that I those kinds of stories don't [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► interest me at all and I and every time [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► I would see yet another crisis from DC [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► it's a really they're doing more [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► continuity work in the name of drama or [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► drama and the name of continuity work so [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► that's that's what really turned me off [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► from the dc-to-dc event completely not a [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► big infinite crisis reader huh [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► but crisis came out right mid 85-86 yep [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► infinite crisis came out two years ago [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► three years ago now uh she doesn't 5005 [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► god yes years ago how six years again [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► you know because i was i said we wanted [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► a calendar is Jason Brandon doesn't know [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► what year it is i started reading down [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► in LA I moved during the middle of it [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► because I remember distinctly like [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► trying to line up my issues and they [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► were all of us for a while anyway [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it had impact like even infinite crisis [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► had impact because they were sort of [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► Maori visiting and undoing a storyline [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► that was pretty much set in stone for [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► 20-something years yeah just under the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► whole undoing of storylines thing and [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► that was what I'm saying is that's what [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► turns me off and I read the x-men they [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► do that like on a weekly basis well I [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► and I'm not about not being like the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► writers getting powers [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► yeah i'm not a big fan of that in in [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► general and i'm not a fan of using [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► storytelling to fix big pieces of of [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► continuity continuity to like I again [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► I'm not going to defend the what was an [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► ultimatum William which was not good but [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► i just read that and training format and [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► this was just kind of shocked at how [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► petty yeah i actually don't mind the [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► impact it had on the Ultimate Universe [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► to change it but again it wasn't [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► changing continuity it was making [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► changes in the universe even so it [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► wasn't a good read i didn't actually [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► mind that it made some changes to to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► like ultimate spider-man although in the [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► end you can read ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► today and you can tell it like that [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► that's actually the private those [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► changes and they destroyed New York City [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► and two issues later everybody New York [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► City is fine and it's going on and you [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► forgotten that happened yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► with a lot of these events writers have [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► to be really careful because they are [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► certain things you can do for shock [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► value or whatever like destroy New York [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► City or no more mutants right now [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► mutants but then where do you go from [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► captain america is dead and Tony Stark [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► is the head of shield shield we can ask [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► for you know year [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that made sense i think from a story and [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► the dead captain america print a story [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► was a good story any and but which I [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► wouldn't defend Civil War necessarily [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and one of the wars on in defensive and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► so civil war legend spider-man revealing [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► his identity which then led to the giant [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► colossal disaster of a retcon that 10 [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► yeah we're doing more day brand-new day [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► v combo of that weekend will be a [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► disaster so that that is exactly right [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► you what you promised people changes and [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► you do an event that has these earth [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► shattering ramifications and then there [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► is this colossal tendency to walk it [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► back as soon as you're done you gotta [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► start walking it was that conservatism [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► on the part of the writers for the most [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► partners on the part of the readers were [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► readers are are are pushing back and say [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► we don't want this kind of change [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► because we feel invested because i think [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► when you think about it with ya good [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► because we think about comics are pretty [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► deeply conservative I mean like like you [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► just kind of have but one new Marvel [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► villain that stuck around to in the last [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► 20 years on their happy to have an [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► environmental heroes launched there [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► haven't been a it's jason conservatism [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► because i think they try it's just it's [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► really hard to do something good and I [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► want him to want to protect our [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► intellectual property so you're not [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► going to make even every radical change [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► that gets made to something has to be [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► undone at some point because they want [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► to protect their intellectual property [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► of you know spider-man needs to be like [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► this the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► you know i love it when the she-hulk was [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► in the fantastic four but in inevitably [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► they go back to being that core for and [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► I believe they're doing that now they're [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► really shaking up the fantastic four but [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► they'll be back where they were before [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the fantastic in them and then they're [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► so why would you bother reading is the [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► questions you know the Creator issue now [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► too right where we're back in the day [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► when you had no other alternative but [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► Marvel or DC the creators would create [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► interesting things for Marvel and DC now [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► if you've got a great idea as a creator [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► why would you not go off and create that [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► yourself and only intellectual property [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and then that is caused and we may have [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► talked about this a little bit before [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► that that makes it i mean in some ways [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that makes makes venom kind of a miracle [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► anything was done in what 90-89 it was [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► right right before the big kind of todd [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► mcfarlane and then kind of broke [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► yeah that mean it's one of the reasons [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► he was the last great right character [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► there's a couple of [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► bryan cave odd characters like the red [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► hood they tried to do stuff with or [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► Runaways is good and that's a Marvel [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► intellectual property settled ever [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► alright but it's good i'm just saying [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah that was a good new creation from a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► quality standpoint that was within the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► market bring that there's two hands it's [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► hard to create something good and then [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► it's hard for it you have to sell it [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► publishers to give it the space to find [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► an audience right yeah [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► and yet somehow manages to work with the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► independence better than doesn't Marvel [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► or DC so I wonderful performance metric [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► at work [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► well there's bigger overhead at Marvel [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► and DC yeah so we're gonna explain [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► explain the the crises to me that you [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► can you can I don't like to give up and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► I kept seeing or more crises and still [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► more crises and then they were starting [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► now I need to run the disclaimer that I [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► stopped reading after this 52 series [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► because even i could actually kind of a [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► fan of continuity for continuity second [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► consistency was by the end of 52 like my [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► head was spinning side 52 so as well I [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► maybe comes down to DC vs marvel because [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you remember there's a DC I really love [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► 52 whereas i read it and kind of be the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► cliff notes on some of the stuff so as [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► you know there's infinite crisis which [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► are seven issues it started back in 2005 [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► on it was a LED it was supposed to be [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► sequel to crisis on Infinite Earths they [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► bring in an extra Superman of course [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► because they always bring an extra super [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► not too many Superman no now you can't [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► on the superbowl I of earth prime gets [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► turned in at some point [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► Alexander Luthor who was like let's like [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► a good look so different parallel [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► universe that's the thing that sticks [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► with Vito is is they killed off so you [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► didn't expect this thought was wrong [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► um that was earlier though that was that [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► all identity crisis identity crisis [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► which led yeah it was so so so there's [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► so but all his identity crisis which led [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► to infinite crisis and then after [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► infinite crisis like the entire DC [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► universe as i understand it jumped 40 [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► year and that year was bridged with 52 [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► which was a new comic book every week [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► where you got the heart-wrenching story [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► of Black Adam acquiring and losing a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► family and a whole bunch of other stuff [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► happened which I can get to a minute we [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► need to and then that led into Final [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Crisis which [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► which is a lot like the final craftsman [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► and yeah [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► Final Crisis grant morrison is [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► alternately a great writer and operating [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► a whole nother level the rest of us [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► mortals can't possibly understand you're [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► not taking same as he is something i [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► could argue then his writing is less [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► good if the rest of it if no one can do [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► not understand it [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yeah the in so going back further to the [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the original crisis well what happened [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► with DC throughout its whole you know [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► the thirties and forties and fifties and [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► sixties writers you know most people saw [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► an issue of a comic and then would see [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► never see an issue of that comic again [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► and so you would have all these stories [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► from all these writers that were largely [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► throw away because there was no [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► continuity I'm because there's no until [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► they're really the direct market [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► happened so because of that then people [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► started collecting comics in the direct [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► market and realizing like there's all [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► these stories that are you know totally [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► conflicting and crazy and crisis on [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► Infinite Earths was in a a third of the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► solution in the DC Universe to that [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► problem was always well there's multiple [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► earths right because there was like the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► the the superman from the fifties right [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► had certain traits whoo-hoo or the [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► original Superman he was actually [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► considered them to be like the earth two [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► superman yeah and the justice society of [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► america was earth to the Justice League [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► was earth one and yeah they had all [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► these rules and it was a huge map and so [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► at some point they want you know this [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► isn't user-friendly and right and let's [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► have the storyline that destroys all of [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the multiple earths and collect coal or [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► collapses them into a single to a single [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► earth and the emotional crescendo of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that was not the supergirl dying but [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► some of these earth to characters who [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► are left the Superman the older Superman [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► with the white hair because he was the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► original superman and a superboy-prime [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► they sacrificed themselves to bring [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► about this one earth you have a mistake [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► of the universe coming together in [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► orlando and the these core characters [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► Superman Superboy Lois Lane and somebody [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► Lex Luthor from Earth to wear one of the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► earth where bad guys were good guys and [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► good guys or bad guys [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► so and that's where it ended and then we [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► have this one earth and then DC could do [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► all these stories reinventing all of [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► their origins which was like john byrne [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► Superman oh right right towards ya so [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► then fast for 25 years and you have the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► same mass again where they kept doing [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► all these else with a so now they didn't [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► have multiple earths they would do [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► elseworld tails like Alex Ross's kingdom [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► come [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► right right yes it's a great story great [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► story right yeah thank you Lisa for [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► recommending that day I think you wanted [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► to throw them in so they came up with [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► this infinite crisis which had those [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► characters you thought sacrificed [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► themselves and we're dead the old not [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► ben is a nowhere zone watching this one [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► earth unfold and seeing essentially what [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► they thought the heroes not doing a good [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► job and the work [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► yes but the end of the first issue [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► they've been watching all of this Wonder [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► Woman killing people and you know [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► sudenly getting raped and killed and all [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► this terrible stuff and they went we [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► sacrifice our lives for this and this is [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► so wrong and so that that first issue [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► ended with soup the old Superman [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► breaking through this barrier going this [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► looks like a job for Superman [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► yeah it's so maybe as an old fanboy that [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► touched me the sort of the end of this a [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► crisis and 52 was now there's 52 Earth's [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► so completely restored the multiverses [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► is basically what they did but they [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► tried to create a limited multiverse [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► oh yeah I'm sorry I asked it's yeah its [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► lights it's looking at 52 and the reason [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► that drive me bonkers is there were a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► lot of double-blind oh you think this is [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► you think oh you think this is near on [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► but it's really wrapped in me or or oh [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you think this is skee intelligible [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► talking robot but it's mr. mind me that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► it was a great challenge like to can you [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► do a comic in real time coming out every [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► week [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► yeah from a production standpoint as [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► well as a story standpoint and it failed [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► on a lot of it came out every week [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► quality-wise story-wise it failed on a [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► lot of levels but to me the fact that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► they were they tried something new and [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► this is where I think DC does a better [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► job than marvel [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► there they try something new and like I [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► have to give him credit for doing that [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► even if the story ask succeed on a lot [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► of levels but had some moments to me [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► that there's no I have no desire to ever [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► read it again but I good reading it in [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► real time so so I have an event question [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► for you guys which is what is what would [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► you say is your favorite event if you [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► have one that you can you can think of [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► and you can take this in anyone like you [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► can define this anyway you like Jason do [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► you have something you want to think a [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► positive moment while you ponder well I [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► could say the birth of my son was my [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► favorite well the comic book event until [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► you write that in America crossover with [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► his arch nemesis from the future who [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► comes back in time to try try to yeah [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► well sometimes very good i have to unity [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► which already talked about because it [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► was so well done and then the the [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► original crisis only because I was like [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► 11 or seven or something when that came [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► out and I had no idea who any of these [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► characters were right right i had like [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► every 2-3 there's two Superman and [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► Superboy and my brother is that possible [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► my little head exploded and I probably [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► got like four of the issues out of the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► entire series when it first came out but [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► I loved George presses art world artwork [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► is great it's been like every panel has [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► like 60 characters and have no idea who [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► they are i love the Teen Titans of that [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► area to which was the marvelous woman [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► George Brett as wasn't I mean out that [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► was great stuff [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► fringe by the way did a diverse they did [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► a that which is a 2 world multiverse [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► right in the any alternate universe and [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► the TV show fringe there are there's a [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► there's a comic book their comic books [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► that are spotted at one point that's [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► produced by Warner Brothers so with a DC [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► property and one of the cup comic books [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► that's visible in the fridge universe is [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► the crisis issue with Supergirl dead [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► being held by Superman except it's [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► Superman dead being held by Supergirl [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► and they commissioned like 45 of these [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► all universe covers for French it's [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► hilarious and and because it's parallel [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► universe about parallel universes it's [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► it's good stuff [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► Lisa what about you my favorite event [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► yeah if you have one you could also just [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► see that this is the thing is I don't [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► want [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► hence I get events are like sweets for [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► you end up watching anyway you hate [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► yourself what you do it um well maybe [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► after you answer because um i was gonna [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► say the last I actually really bad taste [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► in my mouth regarding events as the last [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► one I read through with civil war and by [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► the end of it I was just like really [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► really I I just think how much money [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► into this if you thought that was bad do [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► not read a secret invasion [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► no I was awarded vision yeah I think [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► through the trade in the in one of the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► complex stores and you actually put it [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► back and i'm typically somebody who's a [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► complete ass when it comes to [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► collections and continuity and things [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► like that and and I was like I can't [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► even bring myself to touch this and the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► over the scroll you doing I love that I [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► love the campaign that they did for [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► secret invasion where you saw you said [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► you know he's a little kid eating [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► icecream cones and so on so forth but [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the the whole thing was just this hectic [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► mess and once again [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► oh you think this is somebody but [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► they're not now which was not the one or [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► know when civil war that there was [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► Captain or uh single was more wall i [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► came back to life and was guarding all [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the prisoners isn't that right except it [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► turned out that it and then Secret [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► Invasion turns out that it wasn't [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Captain Marvel using yeah it was yeah [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► you know more fakery know that the civil [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► war thing was ridiculous because again [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► it's something where they throw you a [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► legend shock after alleged shock-like [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► Sue Storm leaving Reed Richards over [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► their vast ideological differences and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► secret invasion was done better when it [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► was the race war [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► all right there was the rom space Knight [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► spin-off thank you for getting in [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► another building at low reference you're [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► welcome I appreciate that any other [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► climbers and I think the closest with [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► regards to events and this wasn't even [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► an event it was just a wrap up the wild [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► storm actually did was the first time [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► they killed off the storm watch title [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► they had some of the aliens you know [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► from the movie franchise aliens they had [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► some of the aliens come and and got half [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the team and then they brought in [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► characters from another book to [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► investigate the mess and i like that big [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► of you I thought is a great way to end [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► things because if you're if you have to [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► cancel a book you might as well why not [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► kill off the characters and and have had [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► mr. virus just shrug your shoulders and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► figured oh ok i guess i'll just go back [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► to communications for joss whedon [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► exactly and I right right you don't kill [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► people could just waiting to i was going [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► to say and I don't think this counts as [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► an event either but it was spun out of [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► an event and then it's London into event [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► which is um and I've mentioned it on the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► podcast before his planet hulk in which [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► was played as an event although it isn't [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► she was just a a year in in the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► incredible hulk but if it like was led [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► into by the Illuminati and they agreed [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► to send the Hulk away and then it led [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► into world war hulk which is another one [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► of these different kinds of things but [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► you know I again I guess what I'm saying [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► is my favorite events aren't really [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► events there they're almost like [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► promotional marketing around a an actual [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► story that's happening again the scope [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► is small [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► yeah but you know when I was a kid I [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► loved the x-men micronauts miniseries [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► which again was sort of an event because [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► it was a crossover miniseries kind of [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► thing but it wasn't a UH an event that [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► spanned many titles it was it was a [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► standalone pulled out of multiple titles [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and was yeah that's the stuff but that's [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► the stuff that I like I mean I I'm [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► actually a little scared [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► although i think it's an intriguing idea [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and it will see how they do it but that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► the Buffy Season nine concept is [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► essentially that they're going to make [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► it an event where it's multiple titles [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► in the buffyverse mall crossing over [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► with each other instead of a single [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► story in a single comic it fits the [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► format i guess but i'm not sure i [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► actually endorse the idea of at least [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► it's plotted from scratch as what it is [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► going to be rather than trying to trying [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► to weave it into existing titles but [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► still it it gives me a lot of [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► trepidation because you know the events [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► haven't been very successful right other [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► than sales they're very successful from [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► a sales perspective it's just you know [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► we're willing to be struggling to find [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► good creative successes with it was [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► bouncing off of that the secret six got [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► relaunched the Yeltsin own rights at the [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► secret and and basically the premises [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► these are people who are kind of [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► screw-ups and they got relaunched I [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► forget myself i forget which always they [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► were launched with identity crisis [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► because they came out in [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► 2005 and it was Catman Deadshot cheshire [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► um scandal Savage was the daughter of [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► Vandal Savage and rag doll who is just [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► this this delightfully insane on [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► contortionists and then why do you have [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► a dandy [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► I've never heard of any of these people [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and we'll cab and runs into batman [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► occasionally and he popped application [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and you read any popped up occasionally [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► the birds of prey book too i mean this [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► is a guy who wants to be a superhero and [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► it's just morally weak and and kind of a [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► moron to boot so it always so so it [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► always goes wrong with ya always goes [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► wrong forum and as a result he's [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► frustrated he turns to a life of [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► primaries basically you know from prior [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► and really sorry are you talking about [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► character-driven books because that's [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► crazy one event that villains United was [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► launched on in conjunction with identity [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► crisis it was woven in at some point and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► i forget the exact connection because [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► it's been a long time since I i read the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► original stuff but its innocence been [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► spun off as a series called the secret [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► six and again because Gail Simone's [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► reading it's a very funny series and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► generally intently very good it's good [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► comics and so that's well you know [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► that's it the way i look at it is yes [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► it's an adventure and comic in that in [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► that that's how was launched in these [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► guys to get sucked into events but it's [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► something that came out of it on its own [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► it has an a tiny way to change the DC [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► Universe um I'll take it I'll tell your [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► guests Simone also i think rumored to be [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► writing for the the buffy season 9 I [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► think that was what I heard I wouldn't [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► be surprised that you're just seems a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► rally interesting interesting thing [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► um yes yes she's my favorite writers [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► working today because between the [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► between secret six which I I always got [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► about it look for and welcome to [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► tranquility which is her take on a [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► superhero retirement village and is new [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► and very sharp and very funny that way [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► yes especially be the former child [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► flying ace has now developed Alzheimer's [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► that's like my favorite character road [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► there's a great of a sort of the tick [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► involves the the retirement home [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► um did you see these are you still [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► reading invincible there there was a it [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► was a couple years ago now they did a a [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► an event and it was one issue I think it [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► was maybe ended [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► number 50 but it was it was it was a [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► crossover with all of the other heroes [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► that are in that publisher basically [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► like the savage dragon it's and it's not [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► just image if yeah it's not just text [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► jacket and I mean it's not just like [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► things Kirkman touches it it was [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► everything an image but they did in one [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► issue and it's insane but I loved it for [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► the sense that they said here here's [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► what we're gonna do we're gonna do 1 [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► double size issue is gonna have all the [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► crossovers in it and then we're never [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► gonna speak of it again it's just a [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► self-contained fun and funny because it [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► is that's the reason why he yes that's [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► why would you like it is why people buy [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► them as they like I want to see [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► spider-man and and Captain America fight [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► against Iron Man and I you know and the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► Green Goblin who is now fighting with I [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► remember something like that's crazy i [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► was he's been going off to Paris come on [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► Superman fight spider-man because it's [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► did you guys get a read the justice [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► league versus the adventures that 1i [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► didn't see that was after my time it was [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► in Titans x-men yeah this was a la one [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► recently in it was not casadas 2000 [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► issue the 2,000 yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► rather they launched Avengers anyway [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► they press through it again because he [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► does all of the big lots of characters [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► it was fun i forget who the writer was [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► it may have been weighed but it was it [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► was just a lot of fun and your classic [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► these some celestial bad thing happens [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► and the heroes from the two different [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► worlds get thrown together and they have [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► to find these three elements unit and [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► yes they split different teams to go get [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► these three things to bring together to [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► fight the big celestial back then the [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► fun part was the the writing the right [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► was clearly having a good time with it [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► because when the Marvel characters were [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► in the DC world in within those teams [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► they made comments like your world is [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► slightly bigger than office is slightly [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► larger because it has these other cities [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► metropolis still has new york and stuff [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► but now they also metropolis and the DC [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► characters commented in the Marvel [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► Universe about how none of the Marvel [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► heroes are treated like heroes [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► yeah well they are the East River so I [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► had lots of little nice things like that [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► and then the other fun part was [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► because all these various celestial [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► things happening at the timeline was [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► really kind of screwy so from panel to [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► panel the characters would change their [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► outfits so like in one panel Aquaman [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► would be his orange shirt and green [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► pants and the next panel though he be [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► talking throughout the two panels but [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the next panel he would be with his hook [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and his beard and his long things you [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► saw all the versions of the characters [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► and the other comments that characters [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► would sort of notice that they all had a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► sense something was going on but because [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► they were part of it they didn't but as [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► a as a person you got to see every [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► version of every character throughout [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► these both teams huge history and it was [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► just so much fun and they included i [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► think i was the last issue had the the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► obligatory wraparound cover that had [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► every single version of every single [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► character and it had a map so you could [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► find out who is who see it was just fun [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► and that's what and that's that's I [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► think the story is that events should be [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► four more fun than they are and they [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► sound I think maybe even start with fun [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► concepts but they tend not to be in so [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► what kind of glomming on to things like [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► collapse into the way they're in his [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► great company crossovers actually better [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► right because they have to be restrained [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► scope because there's a deal that has to [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► be made write a contract and some [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► revenue sharing and all of that and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► that's awful business stuff but in the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► end what that means is that they can't [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► do what they can do on their own and and [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► you know I guess Marvel DC basically [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► don't do that anymore and dildo [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► eventually thought they'd last I heard [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► it was DC was refusing to work with them [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► as long as joe quesada was [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► editor-in-chief some some- headings he [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► had said about and easy and he's no [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► longer editor and it's a snack salon so [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► now right who used to work at DC to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► rights know maybe maybe some start [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► having crossovers again i love me [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► there's a Marvel team-up with spider-man [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► and invincible [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that's awesome the only one of those [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► things where invincible flies through a [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► portal from another issue of invincible [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► we're being sent to alternate universes [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► and these there with with regular [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► spider-man i was actually kinda hoping [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► that the ultimate spider-man is regular [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► spider-man and and it's hilarious [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► because he begins criticizing the names [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► of all the heroes and in the Marvel [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► Universe Kirkman Road it and it's like a [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► let me guess you didn't things like your [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► your robot man [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► he's like no I'm ironman really a and [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► your and your the the human flag no I'm [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► captain america really understand and [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► his biggest criticisms leveled on [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► spider-man is like you've got all these [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► cool powers you're spider-man it and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► it's a good story and he saves dr. [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► octopus from spider-man thinking that [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► doc doc is the good guy and there's a [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► whole dang him and it's a Marvel team-up [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► but i don't so so that's the kind of [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► yeah crazy event while certain before [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► they got fully subsumed by DC they used [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► to do occasional shadows the DC universe [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► or crossovers into it for example when [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► they had the series on storm watch their [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► favorite bar was was run by a guy called [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► Clark and he was beautiful and he's very [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► and the thing is Clark clean his glasses [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► by shooting his x-ray vision at them and [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it was just a very subtle shout out [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► there and then one of the world's to one [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► of the world some properties planetary [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► which we actually actually do a podcast [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► on planetary yes but it wasn't reading [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► there was also doing there was a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► planetary Batman cross not a spin-off [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► which was I think just a one-issue thing [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► where they run into the Batman from the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► 1960s series the Batman from the i think [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► i want to see the nineteen seventies and [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► early eighties comics and then the back [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► of the dark knight batman and they have [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► to try to figure out what her excuse my [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► heat why these different iterations of [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► Batman keep flashing in this alley and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► it's a little detective story and it was [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► I love things like that because again [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► the scope is kind of limited and part of [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► the fun is watching did the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► fish-out-of-water story right the idea [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► was a as it was many years ago now II [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► hellboy Batman only Batman Starman [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► crossover Wow and all drawn by Manila [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► was beautiful and of course they fought [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► Nazis when the shooter and it just was [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► collected and trade paperback a couple [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► weeks ago it came out while because it [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► was early two thousand maybe that this [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► story came out or even before it was [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► weird way early in the hellboy time [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► thing but they could never collect it [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► because of the whole legal [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► lights & right so finally there's a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► Hellboy crossover trade paperback that [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► has that in it and the hellboy Ghost [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► which is a character from dark horse and [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► I haven't read that one yet [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► crossover so it's just nice that they [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► finally are collecting those company [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► crossover sort of things i wish that the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► tick would get out of intellectual [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► property jail because that would be a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► good character that i would love to see [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► crossover with other with other thing [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► only if it was written by bend but it [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► would have to be written by ben edlund [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah but that would be that would [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► be great to see so let's shift gears and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► talk about what you are what you've been [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► reading if you if you are have been [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► reading anything Alicia you had a baby [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► have you been entertaining yourself at [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► all by reading comics or have you been [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► off the comics since you had your [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► daughter [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► I've been trying to read the trades are [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► easier to read the pamphlets and the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► series i'm working through now is by [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► john layman and rob guillory and it's [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► called chew and it's the lead character [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► is a guy who works at the FDA is it [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► inspector / he's an agent for the FDA [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► and he's what they call Psychopathic [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► which means that when he eats something [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► he can instantly Crockett's background [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► on so that use him to solve food [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► inspection cases and the occasional [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► murder and all this is a universe where [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► chicken is outlawed right [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► yes this is the universal Chicken is [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► illegal and and his partner gets turned [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► into a cyborg at one point and I do and [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► I just and I just started that I've just [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► started the 3rd trade and it's um it's [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► very funny and spreads broad comedy it's [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► very slide to be honest it kind of [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► reminds me of invincible because it [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► takes a lot of conflict conventions very [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► tongue-in-cheek with them especially [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► with all we have an FD agent who who is [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► psychic but only have something in his [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► mouth and he's dating a food writer [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► whose special power is whatever she [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► writes a food palm anyone who reads it [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► can actually taste what she's talking [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► about so what did they think they're [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► eating along with her and that's that's [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► her superpower and the faculties you're [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► like super powers may take the horrible [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► things these people's lives [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► I I find that very people funny Wow um [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► while I've never heard about that is [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► that is while Jason you you have [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► anything that you want to [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► you've been looking at that's strike [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► fencing is sadly i'm not gonna ask this [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► question you gave me a look like oh god [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► you're not gonna make me talk about what [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► i'm reading now [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► oh yeah well it's because the I've been [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► reading two tracks at this point one is [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► the the eighties mid-eighties mid to [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► late eighties nineties series of Thor [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► just get kind of ready for the thor [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► movie so well-read walk Simonson i'm [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► actually reading the tom defalco run [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► that happened right after the Walt [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► Simonson where it was at the end up [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► going very Kirby a lifetime to Falco [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► he's a very throwback kind of writer [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► yeah just kinda at the time at the time [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► when I was a kid I didn't really [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► appreciate it now i really appreciate [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► his I read his run of spider girl and I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► really liked that it was just seriously [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► old-school yeah yes I it'sit's and it's [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► exactly that parrots DiFalco and run [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► friends and friends so I'm reading that [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► at the same time I just finished reading [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the first six issues of the whole new [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► avengers family so like secret avengers [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► New Avengers Mighty Avengers and [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► Avengers Academy like the first six [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► issues of all that set and i can say [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► some of them are very good some of them [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► are very good others i thought those are [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► those early is that the early New [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► Avengers that were by Bendis were pretty [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► Bendis in MO what he say it's imminent [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► immense to revenue those actually were [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► really good that was one of them yeah I [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► like that he Bendis a junior Avengers on [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► where you the exact opposite of that so [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► much right we're not so now she just [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► picture Bendis is just rolling in money [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► laughing he does some good work and then [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► he does some other work is and he's it [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► and and they just work because the beach [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► house needs a new roof [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► yes all of you out there if you want to [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► read the Avengers book get the one that [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► has the thing in it [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► no that's the news separate Avengers [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► secret yeah one right that's good right [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► the all you know that's not Secret [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Avengers sorry Steve Avengers is [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► Brubaker which is also good [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► oh the New Adventures is the which led [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► into the secret event invasion but it's [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► good it's right yeah New Avengers is [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► good and Avengers Academy is [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► surprisingly good and that sort of like [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► New Mutants right look at hero among [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► heroes man [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► I love that as a big concept twist that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► makes it gets a nice framework and keeps [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► it interesting so I over the holidays I [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► read another volume of atomic robo I [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► think vol 3 which is amusing and that it [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► plays with time atomic robo was invented [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► by Nikola Tesla in the 1910s i want to [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► say nineteen twenties and but he's [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► immortal because he's a he's an atomic [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► powered robot and so they tell stories [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► of him in the in world war two and there [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► is it one of his one of the collections [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► was actually a flashback sort of basting [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► where there are his friends from world [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► war two and now they're all dead and but [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the the the enemy the evil from then is [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► back with this this collection is a it's [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► him an HP Lovecraft who's a who's crazy [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► in the twenties and and that's the first [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► issue and then the second issue is him [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► in the forties and then the next issue [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► is him in the seventies and that and the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► issue after that I think it's him in the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► present day and there's this recurring [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► evil because it's a Lovecraftian evil [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► out of time and space that does its [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► nonlinear to time and so the end of all [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► of these first five issues I think are [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the same which is basically that atomic [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► robo gets sucked up by this monster and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► then spat out and then the last issue [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the the last issue is the period where [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► they've all been sucked in by the [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► monster and so all the atomic robo Tsar [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► together from the different timelines [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► and they must figure out how to resolve [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the issue which resolves in them all [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► being spat back out into their own [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► timelines it's it's great retama krobo [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it's just it's a great it's a great book [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► it is so much fun [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► great sense of humor interesting [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► character because he's human-like but [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► he's not human because he's a metal man [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► he's a robot but he but he's you [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► wouldn't tell from his dialogue which is [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► hilarious [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► so I i can't recommend any pick up any [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► kind of atomic robust of everything I've [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► read of atomic robo and they do they do [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► individual little run so we'll do like a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► volume 1 at six issues or another one [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► that's five issues and don't have an [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► ipad or iphone app to of atomic robo i [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► seem to remember downloading [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► yeah there were and there was a free and [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► there was a free sample and you can also [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► get it from the comics by comiXology app [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► but yeah they've been actually very good [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► at at promoting it are digitally but i [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► love i love atomic robo that is it's [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► just huge huge fun [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► so that's what I that's what I think [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► what I've been reading the most and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► keeping up with invincible and a couple [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► other things that way too i need any [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► digital comics i need to keep invincible [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah well he's he's actually got a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► little bit of am of a UH an event thing [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► going on with back with the war and then [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► sales are down the well it's it's not a [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► crossover event but it's it's like they [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► had that they had the what is that built [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► them right little termites yeah yeah so [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► one of them comes to earth and there's [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► this big war and people get injured and [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► then he goes into space with his dad and [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► his brother and they they fight the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► mountain space and they go back to the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► home world and if you get a brother and [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► it's all his brother has his dad got it [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► on with on an insect Queen inside queen [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and faster moving her from slow [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► oh yeah and he has got a hit ages [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► rapidly again it's all its its it that [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► was actually fun but because since mom [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► is awesome she's raising the kids since [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► the insect Queen had like a life span of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► three years and so so it's all good [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► except that I feel like I'm invented out [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► with invincible now and I really wanted [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► to just go back to earth which [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► apparently i think in the next issue he [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► goes back to earth and there's the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► ramifications of what has happened while [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► he's been gone [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► yeah but I I really you know what I like [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► about that comic is not that that we [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► spend ten issues with lots of fighting [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► out in space it's about the characters [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► and his his relationship with Adam even [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► yeah and and the other kind of wacky the [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► guardians of the globe who are on the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► earth and the kind of weird like robot [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► the robot that's remote controlled by a [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► kid and stuff like that dude okay that's [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► one of my favorites out [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah there's the kirkland that guy [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► yeah he he's he's kind of all the [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► collections i think i think he might be [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► okay again man has a future [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► yeah so anyway it's brian clevon your [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► Clevenger claiming her is the is the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► atomic robo writer by the way he's think [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► he's the guy and I don't actually know [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► the name of the publisher of that record [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► red5 maybe somebody I've never read five [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► comics it's you know Andy atomic robo [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► foreign money i'm so so I think we're [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► reaching the end of our our show for now [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► but it sounds like we've got a couple [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► great great great topics because I do [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► want to talk about the portrayal of [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► being a parent and having kids in comics [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► so we should come back to that and and [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► in the true spirit of book clubs [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► everywhere before we go we should say [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► what we're going to talk about next time [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► and I think Lisa you said that we should [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► talk about planetary is whatever [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► interesting for ya [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► so let's let's talk about planetary [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► although you know we could be like [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► planetary and promised to talk about [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► planetary for for almost a decade of [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► quickly get around to be over but next [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► time we'll monitor that will be our sign [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► off from now on I will tell you exactly [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► yeah well apparently discussion the next [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► thing you know I'm sure we'll have I'm [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► sure have a lot to say about robot [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► nannies you've already you've already uh [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► I've already pushed out planetary one [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► time an amazing looking at Terry so stay [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► tuned next time where you have no idea [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► what you're gonna hear yes and babies [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► would-be planetary neither babies [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► talking about planetary well we'll find [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► out what what what Lisa's daughter [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► thinks about planets which is probably [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► yeah probably you can get instant yes [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► it's either that or sleeping [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► yeah alright well this has been great [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► it's great to be back with you guys I i [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► look forward to doing this a little more [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► often now that now that is the new year [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► and and and we're all back in and leases [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► leases back with us know which is great [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► it's great to have you back in and gets [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► it and again congratulations on the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► birth of your daughter it's fantastic [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► really happy for you [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► it was nice talking to you guys today [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► yeah this is great [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► alright so everybody thanks for joining [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► us on the incomparable podcast for for [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► Jason Reitman and Lisa Schmeisser I'm [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► Jason Snelling thanks for being here [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► we'll see you next time [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► this has been the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► visit us at lee and comfortable type com [TS]