The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 300 may 2016 [TS]

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00:00:42 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► uncomfortable very special episode is [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► number three hundred we got a lot going [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► on we're going to do sort of a couple [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► different panels were going silly stuff [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► at the end because it's us but the for [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► this is the dead serious panel as you [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► can tell because I got very serious [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► people here to talk about a subject that [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► Glenn fleischmann suggested so let me [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► introduce my first panel here i'm going [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► to do it in order of their appearances [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► on the incomparable darienne more'n [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► still our leader [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► hello Dan hi Jason my Mami's that we've [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► survived 300 episodes and i look forward [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► to another 300 well thanks for being the [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► only panelist who has been on more than [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► half of the episodes [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► well you're welcome that's right a check [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► that jet checks in the mail [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► uh-huh John siracusa with a hundred and [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► twelve episode appearances not including [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► this one [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► hello are you sure the dan isn't getting [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► credit for some of my appearances work [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► on that vocal recognition software a [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► little more needs to fine-tune this [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► hotel [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► well you don't you don't read so much so [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► maybe I didn't let them saying you don't [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► read but maybe i'm just on episodes of [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► things down the whole time I've been [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► paying John to be me sorry [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► okay stop worrying that makes sense [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► stretch stretch checks out [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► David lore is our fifth most common [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► panelist because he says yes to every [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► invitation I david i consume a lot of [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► pop culture and I blame you [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► mm okay fair enough we'll get into that [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► we'll get into that in a little bit ly [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► schmeiser r8 most common panelist and [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► with us in episode two [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► hi Lisa hi there I'm thrilled to be here [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► I'm always trying to be here most of you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► were present at the start and you [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► definitely were on its recent your comic [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► books love that was our second episode [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► yeah that's right or straight with jason [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► reitman discussing now on all Batman [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► comics all vertigo comics actually yeah [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it was it was really it was really about [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► the UM the unrest ESO yeah yeah we [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► actually did have a topic for the comic [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► book club i'm like our early days were [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► recovered many different subjects in she [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► is ok we don't do the opposite now I [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► worry ambitious or did we just think it [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► was you [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► we were only going to go for like 30 [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► episodes and it didn't matter actually I [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► think we thought it had to be like a [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► like a radio program or every segment is [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► five to six minutes long and you have to [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► switch else you can't keep people's [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► attention but no problem and out [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► differently if they've listened this far [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► yeah so I mean she see it seems like she [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► was late to the party but the fact is [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► that now she I think she's been around [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► for about half the episodes and the end [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► has been on more than 50 of them it's [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► erica and sign [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► hi-yah and not quite half 160 was my [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► very first it fondly Klaus 133 was mine [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► pretty pretty soon pretty soon and I i [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► can't forget him he suggested this [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► episode yet and so by the second [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► definition of blending he shouldn't be [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► on it but he is its when fleischmann [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► number 7 on our list with more than 70 [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► appearances [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► hi Glenn while I not what I want to know [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► is how many upsets i'm not on mi [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► insulted or my name taken of a thats [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► needs to be the CMS to 298 Colin I'm [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► often surprised for the transcription [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► boss will come in handy because I'm [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► trying to look for your name and train [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► and train them to listen for the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► syllables blending and see what comes [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► out soon i want to call it something [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► Glenn you suggested this and I think [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► it's good that did be a little [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► introspective for 300 episode the idea [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► that perhaps our methods of changing or [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► a consumer media have changed in the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► last 300 weeks more or less that we've [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► been doing this this show so I thought [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► that would be a good way a good a good [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► way to start a sword and i'm going to [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► start with you if you think back to 2010 [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► and and tell me how is your media [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► consumption changed and specifically the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► podcast influence to what you've you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► know how you watch movies and read books [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► and things like that or or not let me [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► know what you think dan I think it has [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► changed for me a bit the the most [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► notable thing i was thinking before I [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► came on tonight was that I got back into [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► reading potta comic books largely I [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► think because of the incomparable I've [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► had a marvel unlimited subscription for [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► I don't know [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► well over a year now year and a half so [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► and I've consumed a lot i mean certainly [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► more comic books that I in the last year [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and a half then i read since I was [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► probably in high school and actively [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► behind [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► books like single-issue comic books and [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► I think a lot of that is because you [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► know certainly the influence of people [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► like Tony similar who's you know my good [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► friend and recognized recommends a lot [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► of comic books but also because of the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► stuff that we talked about on the show [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► and he honestly the stuff that we talked [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► about sort of as our own little [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► community and in our slack and stuff [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► like that I feel like I've got much more [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► exposure to that which is great I it [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► i've really enjoyed getting back into [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► that the the other things i would think [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► that I have mainly been sort of affected [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► by this are i do find that there are [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► some things I read my or watch much more [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► closely because i know we're going to [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► talk about it so I've always been a [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► terrible note taker in college I took [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► very ape-like you can look at my [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► notebooks for college and usually it's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► like oh the first two classes he took a [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► like trying to write down a lot of crap [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► and then it just sort of Peters out and [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► I was never very good at it because I [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► was usually pretty good at retaining [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► what i read but I felt like you know I [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► certainly as I've gotten older and as we [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► talked about stuff more and more [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► in-depth I feel like I need to write [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► down those you know insights or stuff [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► that I feel like I come across when [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► watching or reading something so i [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► actually you know especially when we do [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► something like an old movie club or when [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► i'm doing i even the weekly TV shows [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► that i do on arrow for example i find [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► myself taking notes during episodes [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► about things to bring up and that's not [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► something I mean that sounds a lot more [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► like work and fun to me so I'm surprised [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that I actually do it and then I guess [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► the one other thing that's kind of sad [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► that has come out of recording and being [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► on over half the episodes of this show [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► is that i really don't listen to [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► podcasts anymore [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► they're supposed to be about this but I [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► spent way too much time recording and [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► editing podcasts and so is someone who [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► works from home and does not have a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► commute and has a job that involves [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► either editing podcasts or writing it's [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► really hard to find time to listen to [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► podcast so I've only recently gotten [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► into hello from the magic tavern and [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► that's got to be the first podcast and i [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► have listened to multiple episodes of [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► for a super long time like that i'm a [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► regular listener of like there's a lot [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► of other shows I dabble in all right [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► listen two parts of but I really can't [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► keep up especially you know I used to be [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► a big fan of a lot of tech podcast and [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► as those have also gotten super long is [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► listen like macbreak weekly every [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► weekend like I no longer have like three [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► hours three hours [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► yeah to listen to a podcast sorry I'm [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► kind of busy and I think probably [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► quantities to write like you know I [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► certainly have always been a big TV fan [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► but I said try to watch a lot more to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► keep up-to-date with it the one part [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► that I'm kind of said about and I'm [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► trying to do better about now is read [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► more books because i always used to read [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► a lot i think now that we have so much [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► media available to us and we spend a lot [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► of time and talking about and discussing [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► things like movies and TV shows i find [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► it very easy to sort of sit down and [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► watch a TV show for 45 minutes or an [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► hour and it's a lot harder for me to [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► make sure that i'm spending time reading [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► books as well and so as you can tell [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► from my notable as over the years as my [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► appearances on the hugo podcast gonna [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► slit on the rails as every year it's [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► like man there's a huge stack of books I [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► want to read on my on my night a table [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► and the hugo ones are often kind of [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► middle towards the bottom of them and I [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► just like decided a certain point well [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► i'm gonna read the books I want to read [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► not the books i feel like i have to read [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► and if i get around to those those you [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► go books at a later date [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► that's great but i'm not going to just [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► you know sit down and force myself to [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► read those just for that reason so I [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► it's it's been a lot up and down but I [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► think positive for the most part in [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► terms of feeling like I feel like I love [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► discussing all this stuff and that's why [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► I've been on so many episodes of the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► podcast and so it's great to feel like [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► I'm more engaged with the stuff that I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► am consuming rather than just having so [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► much of it be like I've [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► watching this just to watch it and then [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► you'll forget about five minutes after I [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► watched it so I think all of you have [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► really helped me increase my [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► appreciation of pop culture or in some [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► cases much more fun increasing your [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► snarkiness and assembly powers of things [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► like yeah I don't know pretty much any [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► episode I get to be on with lisa is [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► always fun because i like hearing I like [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► hearing everything sort of dissected and [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► i always think to myself well that's a [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► really great point I hadn't thought [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► about how terrible but it's daniel are [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► definitely gonna have to team up and do [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► something with them the flash cast in [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► the air cast the summer because we need [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► a summer vacation project we do need a [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► summer vacation project I'm all over [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► so there you go Jason I hope that is I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► hope that satisfactory so basically more [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► podcasts then in this in the summer for [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► your vacation [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► it is a little bit like I was trying to [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► come up with an example of it's like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► well once you were once you're inside [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the box you don't want me to take tours [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► of other boxes right it's just later in [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► like I am your you're making you're [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► making a podcast you're in the podcast [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► you don't need to listen to them you're [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► in them [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► yeah I don't don't take tours of boxes [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► Jason that's my first trip to you cannot [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► really it's really boring [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► yeah there once you're inside the box [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► especially you've been in a box you [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► don't need to go see other boxes i think [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► yeah I could soon maybe I'm a box [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► monogamist I don't know yet anyway does [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► it does that was that was really great [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► dan you mentioned Lisa so why don't we [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► why don't we why don't we move to Lisa [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Lisa you know what one of the things [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► when this podcast was being thrown [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► around I mean with the original impetus [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► for the podcast was a Twitter thread [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► about science science fiction novels [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► that are a bunch of people were we [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► talking about again was in on that [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► thread and Glen and Scot McNulty and uh [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► market and John were you there too to [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► read books I keep being written out of [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► that threat every time you retell it so [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► here I am [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I think I can render I think now John [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► doesn't read anything the records jump [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► on he's adding a three-volume series on [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► Mac os10 so what was happening that was [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► happening on Twitter and then parallel [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► to that Lisa and I were talking about [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► doing a comic book club [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► well with Jason Reitman who we work with [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► who had user user work for a comic book [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► publisher and published his own comic [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and all that and and we talked about [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► doing that as a podcast and those were [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► the two threads that led to the creation [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► of the uncomfortable and so our first [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► episode was the book episode and the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► second episode was the comical club [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► episode and those two we recorded before [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► we have a name [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► those were the trials and so so this is [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► a long way of saying you know Lisa you [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► really were there present the beginning [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► because that was one of the ideas was [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► can we get together on a regular basis [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► and talk about you know a particular [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► comic that we've read and do a book club [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► style and that was absolutely one of the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► one of the things so I want I wanted [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► before I ask you what how it's changed [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► for you over the last five or six years [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► i want to thank you because you've also [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► exposed me to a whole lot of great stuff [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► especially comics that I wouldn't I i [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► had not really gotten that much back [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► into comics back in 2010 and so you've [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► been able with your knowledge of that [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► area to guide me so I I so thank you for [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► oh my gosh i'm about to crack OH instead [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► of crying yet wanted to tell us how your [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► consumption the media has changed its [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the Glen topic last in the last five and [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► a half years last three weeks yeah well [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► this is um and this is proud a position [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► that i don't think a lot of the other [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► panelists will find themselves in this [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► podcast debuted approximately two months [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► before it became apparent so when I [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► recorded the first comic book clubs i [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► was like super pregnant and you know [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► like we had this big boom mic we had to [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► pull towards because i couldn't pull a [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► little a little hot room with no air and [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► a giant my phone in a large pregnant [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► lady he asked it was good times good [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► times but I'm so that's what I've been [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► trying and trying to take over super [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► quickly is how much my media consumption [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► changed as a result of being [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► uncomfortable and and wanting to remain [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► a part of it [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► how much media consumption changed by [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► virtue of having to treat my free time [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► much differently and I think the answer [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that is I've actually gotten very very [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► picky about what I consume and that's [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► probably function of both but one of the [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► reasons is a since I now have access to [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► so many people on the incomparable who [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► knows so much about so many different [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► types of media all I basically have to [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► do is kind of run it through a filter [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► and what do you think of this and night [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► I know how they tend to approach this [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► topic and what they do and don't like [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► so this is what they said so i'll [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► probably like this to our of this is [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► what they said no I'm not gonna like it [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► what's been nice looking couple is [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► giving me such a great excuse to just [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► buy more comics because I'm i had [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► actually begin tapering off a bit [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► we r garage got to fall and I got rid of [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► all my long boxes and I was like okay [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► I'm just gonna stick to three or four [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► shelves of trade papers and back and [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► that's it and then what the challenge [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► challenge the comic book club was to try [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► to find a book bundle that we could pass [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► on to readers and to try to tie the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► particular that the specific works into [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► like the bigger comic book picture and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that's been like such a great excuse to [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► go wandering down you know water down [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► all these different like writerly [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► alleyways or Eleanor or artist alley [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► ways that I never would have had a [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► chance to otherwise or top just get big [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► bundles of books I would have never [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► thought to put together i do listen to [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► podcasts but the problem is now it's one [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► of two things for my crew that's [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► terribly edited for poor yea or i find [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► myself getting annoyed at the way the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► host may be bigfooting over their guests [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► or I am grossly jealous because my oh my [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► god these people do this full time they [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► have all this time it sounds so great i [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► hate you so there's like five or six [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► podcast I kind of rotate through and I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► have to control myself sometimes that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► you know when your NPR you're going to [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► have resources available to you that you [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► know other people are not going to and [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► it's going to sound different [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► accordingly and but i think the biggest [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► way is I've gotten back into movies in a [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► big way because you know someone so much [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► time in the day there's not so much [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► reading you can do and i had not [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and 8i I had sort of fallen out they [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► have to watching movies because they're [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► kind of a time commitment when you think [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► about it you know you have to sink in [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► it's it's it's a hundred it's like you [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► know anywhere from from 90 minutes 280 [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► minutes depending on the movie and how [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► long is this like there's a night when [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► filling my watch this boot [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► I swear to god it was like a week the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► doctors got a dog food does last a week [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► and you're still watching it now Lisa [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► sorry I'm the corner of my eye that's [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► wrong i was running around up but you [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► know thanks to again the podcast that [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► we've had here it's been it's been great [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► to to say okay I'm going to make the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► space for that and watch them and then [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you try to get back in a conversation [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► the one thing that I would like to [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► change that i have not been able to is [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► my ability to sit down in read a novel [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► from from cover to cover or just sit [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► down and sing into book that's I've had [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► a lot of difficulty with that the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► passage routes and um I wish I could [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► read more [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► or rather i wish i could read more stuff [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► because right now I'm just doing a whole [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► lot of reading and i'm ok i wonder is in [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► some sense the incredibles kind of push [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► me to present because I gotta admit what [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► comes around to award season and you're [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► like oh I have this enormous archive [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► with material we can pass around we can [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► discuss this I'm like oh god I just [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► don't have time its too daunting I can't [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► you through it and so then I'll like go [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► and run and reread pattern recognition [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► for the third time or whatever because [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► that I know what I'm getting there so [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► it's kind of sparkly ironic that i'm [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► reading less science fiction since I do [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► like it and I do like fantasy but I i [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► think in some ways maybe the the the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► books of emphasis and especially [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► awards-season type stuff when this is [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► all this stuff takter against daunting [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► like I literally have no idea where I'd [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► start eating the elephant so [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► congratulations on making me read less [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► in coppell walk away [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► yeah we live to serve is what I'm saying [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► speaking of reading last chance here [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► huge sigh of the Christian not reading [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► things you can read you're not an [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► illiterate person but you you've said [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that you know you're you're you're [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► limited in the inn [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► the novels that you read you definitely [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► are on our patrick rothfuss episodes [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► about the name of the wind and the wise [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► man's fear and and some others to [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► understand I understand yes well Stephen [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► King absolutely so but i'm curious just [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► broadly John what do you know what has [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► changed [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► uh and what are your thoughts about how [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► you consume media of the last 300 weeks [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► last five and a half years and realize [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that the the second level angle the show [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► would be how the incumbent has ruined [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► our lives so should I don't really think [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► you got something to say how you have [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► been on the show has hurt me in some way [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► I can reasonably expected that come to [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► the second level Glenn is already there [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the show killed my father's you can no [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► longer right OS 10 reviews its destroyer [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► was actually not very critical before [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the show that's right now look what [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► happened actually might night the first [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► thing that came to mind believe it or [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► not Jason was that not in the past [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► several years that I've been doing this [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► podcast i look back most of the books [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► that I've read have been books I've read [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► for the show so i think is making me [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► read more a little bit more maybe not a [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► lot more but a little bit more than I [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► you still in particular it has made me [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► do a lot more sort of whatever call [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► panic reading where he had a book until [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► that you look at the calendar and there [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► are two days left before the show and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► like it's a patrick rothfuss book and [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► you've got 475 pages left and then you [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► just read like the wind huh yeah i'll [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► get exactly a and rereading which is not [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► really i think that i mean i have read [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► The Stand several times on my own before [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► podcast existed but you know to go back [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► through it again for a podcast that [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► something i wouldn't have done the [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► second thing is as other people have [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► mentioned comics although i'm coming [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► from a different place i was i never [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► read comics that I'd like comics I still [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► don't really like comics that you know I [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► just I didn't have a face when I was [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► into them that i fell out of them [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► I was just out of them completely and [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► hearing a bunch of seemingly intelligent [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► adults talk about comics passionately [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► and have very interesting things to say [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► about them and got talking about comics [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► that I didn't know existed at all you [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► know because comics if you if you're not [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► into comes you think I promise you think [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► of superheroes and stuff but it's [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► obviously so much more to it and I [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► didn't know that until I will [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► listen to these episodes made me try a [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► couple of comics and read a couple of [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► comic series some which I actually [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► finished and that would never have [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► happened without the show [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► unfortunately didn't be talking about [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► how the hospital has ruined my life [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► although this one series that I like the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► best I listened to the entire and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► comfortable episode about it before [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► reading the series and so I kind of knew [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► everything that happened in it which was [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► kind of a bummer so I kind of pretty [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► spoiled myself but that's definitely [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► something i would not have done if not [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► for the uncomfortable and then the final [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► thing getting more towards the vein of [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► housing complex hurt me is uh what's [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► that was incompetent episodes i find now [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► often substitutes for consuming the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► media so if I see this incredible [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► episode about a movie that I was on the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► fence about seeing I now have to choose [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► should I listen to the episode or should [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► i watch the movie and listen to the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► episode and very often i say well I [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► probably don't have time to do both so [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► why not just listen to the episode [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► instead of watching and we'll be or are [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► reading the book or whatever maybe [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► because that's almost as good right like [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► the bill tell me what happened in it and [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► then I'll here analysis of it and then [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► I'll feel like i have experienced it [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► even though i haven't actually [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► experienced it [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► maybe that's actually a net win because [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it saves time but not the other things [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► people said like watching of media more [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► critically and paying more attention [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► that that didn't change because i always [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► did that because i love this podcast [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► right that's right that's right you were [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► already there you're taking notes for a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► podcast that didn't exist as he notes [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► before before anyone want to hear what [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the hell those notes four o'clock my [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► wife she got them whether you want them [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► or not [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► yeah I'm sure she's like she's like [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► she's like I don't know [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► folding laundry and you're like I got a [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► brief opening statement i have been [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► known in the age of tivo I have been [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► known to pause the show ya to explain a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► particular thing that has just appeared [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► on screen usually angle mom hasn't done [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that they're filming it all the time [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► let's imagine my girlfriend my [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► girlfriend is that does that a lot [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► especially when it's like they're [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► ruining this female characters [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► my wife has has it has a particularly [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► we've been married for more than 20 [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► years and there's one expression on her [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► face that only i ever see when I pause [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the tivo in the middle of making out [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► father and it's like all right I just [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► got to get I we just let's get through [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► this one of my favorite moments is the [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► one we went to go see gosford park we [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► actually that fancy went to go see in [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the theater which is not in keeping with [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► our usual style of seeing movies but I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► were watching it and this is the parkway [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in oakland there's one point where [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► someone says something and fills arm [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► shot out and he made like the teapot [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► button just because we want to stop the [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► right then and aspects it but would you [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► like but the expression that raced [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► across his face when he realized because [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► researchers the fury [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► wait why can't do this man oh that's [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► right I can't do this let's consider the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► bookmark for later like like I will I [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► will come in on what just happened later [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► oh yeah look like number one footnote [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► right here about this [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► yeah it's um that's why a lot of a lot [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► of solar there it's good i'm glad Jon [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► I'm glad we've given you an outlet [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► I and conectate can't take credit was [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► this the first podcast you were ever on [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► I don't remember I don't know how the [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► chronology works and say yes yes you can [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► try to feel free i think i think i may [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► have been on some five-by-five thing not [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► hyper growling gasps yeah before that [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► political status i'm gonna take ya I'm [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► gonna take full credit that so they're [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► responsible for John circles being a [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► pocket you take blame for not having me [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► on until episode 3 so that they can it's [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► true there's the early days well if you [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► would read the ten books that we talked [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► about in episode 10 depends on that is [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► the first TV show [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► yeah that's right yeah that's right [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► Glenn pointed out a typo in the show [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► notes just earlier today 297 weeks later [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► we got it we gotta fix folks it's not [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► there you don't look because it's not [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► better late than never react exactly so [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► speaking of late uh one of one of our [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► people who joined us midstream as I said [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► at the beginning Erica I I knew about [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you through listening to the very [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► podcast and through listening to the [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► 2-minute I'm Lord not going to chip in [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► and chip [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► has been on the show a bunch to head out [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► you know what was sort of my gateway [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► into like all the Doctor Who podcast and [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► I listen to very and I thought erica [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► sounds like somebody who might be a good [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► fit for us and you know what I i I'm I'm [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► really glad that works oh good workout [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► but I had a motor like well I'm just [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► gonna take a flyer I'm gonna sound like [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► a crazy person on the internet being [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► like would you like to be on my podcast [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► but you were on the matrix episode which [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► you saw in the theater like eight times [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► or something something nine times nine [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► just kind of the right time I only miss [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► nosey really your last name one time and [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► I edited that out it you were not alone [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► in that many many people have done a oh [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► yeah and you didn't seem like a total [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► crazy crazy person because i had seen [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you on a podcasting panel at the gallery [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► one doctor who commotion [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► uh-huh so you were in that audience i [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► didn't even receive see so so you saw me [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► and I didn't I didn't even know about [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that right now when you and I didn't see [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► you so who's the stalker now I had no [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► idea who you were so i'm not sure i'm [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► just talking but but but at least I had [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► sort of some reference you were your guy [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► chip new was basically so it exactly [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► sure it's all about chip [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► yeah he's not here it all comes back to [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► change so so 2 plus years of being on [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► this podcast uh you know how it and of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► course you were on your own Verity [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► before that so have been on podcasts how [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► was that changed your relationship with [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► with the media you consume you know it a [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► lot like what people have said already [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it has changed both of things that I [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► consume and the way that I consume them [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and and some of it does get laid at [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► Barry's feet but i think i think some of [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► it a lot of it gets late at the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► incomparable feet because verities just [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► doctor who and comfortable goes into a [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► lot of different directions that are not [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► doctor who [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► so I i remember being on that first [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► episode that i was on a about the matrix [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► and being super nervous because i had [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► only ever talked about Doctor Who in a [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► podcast before so when i watch the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► matrix I i took lots and lots and lots [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► and lots of notes and I had I went to [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► film school so I did the film criticism [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► thing and I hated it with a fiery [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► passion that was the person that I could [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► not stand at all [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► and because I wasn't good at it I just I [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► just absolutely sucked at watching [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► something and taking it apart and my [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► critical faculties were not at all [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► developed and apparently over time they [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► must have like marinated in my brain and [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► and improved and gotten better and maybe [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► very helped a little bit over time [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► because as i was taking notes for that [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► episode it was just it was all coming [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► back to me as like I'm noticing this and [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► I noticed that and I i had a lot to say [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► and was kind of surprised by that [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► so them the more time went on and the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► more practice I got with that i think i [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► think i have improved as a podcaster as [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► far as is what i notice and what I'm [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► able to to bring to the table a lot [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► since that time so so so I think [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► operable has made my life better not [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► worse and I'm still listening to other [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► podcast and but while I listen to a lot [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► of Doctor Who podcast will put it that [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► way here and there are so many of them [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► so many there are [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► remember when there was one that was [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► there was one at one point now there's [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► like a thousand of yeah actually the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► first one was German so I would never [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► have listened to it anyway because it [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► happened in english up [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► yep we're good at chapter and chapter [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► chapter markers so but but as far as the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► things that I consume yeah I almost all [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► of my media consumption these days is [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► just focused around what what needs to [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► be done for one podcast or another my [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► life has changed very much in that way [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and I don't mind that's that's fine [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► because that means i am guaranteed to [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► have somebody to talk to about whatever [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► i'm watching on the rare shows that i [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► watch that that other people don't like [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► i watch the good wife and I don't really [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► know anybody in real life who watches [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► that so it's a little bit sad because [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► that's the only show i watch that I [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► don't have somebody to come around to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► you know to go back and forth with so [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► it's kind of it's kind of a bummer so [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► I'm always excited when i get to do this [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and it totally brought me back into [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► reading books again i had sort of given [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► up on novels for a long time because I [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► just been busy and that the couple book [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► club episodes i started out being on and [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► then the award season reading that was [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► really fun i was it was just it was nice [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► to to dig back into books I mean [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► I I got so excited about it Stephen [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► actually bought me a kindle paperwhite [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► so had I not started reading for the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► uncomfortable i might not have gotten [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► that gadget so her and Scott McNulty [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► approves you and then we need another [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► person on that panel because dan didn't [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► want to do the reading so you know your [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► and Erica and ir twinsies so it worked [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► out perfectly [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► I'm just something in its a smooth [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► transition we want your twinsies are I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► don't know this i don't know this part [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► of things are you guys twinsies soon [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► perfect now can I was actually a line [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► just agree on Doctor Who a lot and many [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► many other things [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► yeah well I so the wayward nemec's your [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► yes exactly exactly understand okay yeah [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► but by the transitive property I guess [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► you're also dance nemesis and he's [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► already got one though I don't know you [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► already Scott's already covers a primary [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► alright what you did and you can cover [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► Scott and then I'll take the client-side [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► actually got a good that divide and [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► conquer it Glenn is kinda like a [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► freelance nemesis for whoever needs one [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► at any given time for this command sure [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► he knows all the other nemesis alright [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► David so so the story with you is that [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you wrote you you see you've been [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► lurking for a long time like I remember [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► you and I were both fans of the original [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► TV talk machine podcasts back in the day [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► well even more i was i was a long time [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► reader and occasional commenter on TV [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► dot org Sudan or yeah I go all the way [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► back to like the first design of the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► site other way way back when the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► animated gif of the of the of the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► sparkling TV set and all of that yeah [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► which is which is for people who don't [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► know TV door is essentially the [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► predecessor of the incomparable it was a [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► blog before they even have been the name [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► blog that we started in about 95 and [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► have a bunch of people on it who wrote [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► for it like Lisa and Phil Michaels and [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► Monty ashley and Steve lights and Greg [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► moss and uh yeah so so you were I [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► recognize you from that and from the TV [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► talk machine you're always around and I [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► knew that you replace all of that and [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► then all of a sudden we had this crazy [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► idea about what if we did a radio drama [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► episode is a change of pace and I and so [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► you wrote that and we did that as our as [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► a radio drama episode and at which point [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► you were around so you then begin [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► appearing on literally every other [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► what happened after that well it was [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► weird when i first discovered the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► incomparable itself because i think i [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► started listening around the third or [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► fourth episode and then went back and [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► listened to the first three and it was [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► survived because it just sort of [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► appeared on my radar and then I realized [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► oh wait it's everybody who is a TV [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► dot-org ah of course i like it so I [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► started listening to it and then had [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► been listening to the TV talk machine [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► the the old-school TV talk machine for I [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► don't know how long it had been on by [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► that point I don't know I kept going to [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► pick up like skipping months but not you [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► me both get every now and then like you [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► know Tim would talk about the theme of [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► Jason listener Jason help me with the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► theme Jason's just a mystery Jason you I [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► was your superfan never mentioned your [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► last name and then somewhere along the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► line he mentioned your last name and my [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► brain went oh my god it's just [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► inconsiderate ever been you know there's [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like oh my God he's on all the podcast [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► yes but yeah so yeah that then it was [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► sort of like a well we connect on [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► Twitter and we're doing this and doing [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that and talking about Tim and Tim is [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► like the Super connector I don't know [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► our but yeah you know i mean it even [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► before doing anything on the podcast [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► just as a listener it started changing [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the way i consumed things because I [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► started to intentionally watch something [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► you know all this episode is about [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► raiders of the lost ark i'll watch it [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► again you know not like I haven't [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► watched it 40 times by that point but [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► i'll watch it so that it's fresh and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► they had to listen to the show and you [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► know or or books you know I I had kind [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► of fallen out of reading science fiction [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► books for a long time at that point and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► I listened to I don't know one of the [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► first Hugo episodes or something huh [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► that sounds interesting i meant i'm [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► actually like that because it got to a [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► point where I would listen anyway [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► whether i had read or watched her play [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► the game or whatever you guys were [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► talking about just because i really like [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the conversation and I like the you know [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► it wasn't even just the the bantering of [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► it just the the critical analysis of [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► things so it's like okay i don't i'm not [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► going to watch this movie but it's [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► really fascinating [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► conversation right that any bets the [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► John siracusa approach to some of these [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► things is I don't need to really watch [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► it if I can I feel like I've understood [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► right away during a recipe you can [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► substitute some ingredients for others [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► and if you don't have you don't have any [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► flower just take the incompetent episode [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► about flower and pathetic but don't you [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► know that is not sound cooking advice [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► this is not a cooking buddy getting [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► naughty being called the world is not [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► food and and so yeah I mean it since [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► joining it's really kind of focused my [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► media consumption [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► I mean I'm kind of omnivorous you Jason [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► you have been in my house you know what [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► that is full of books and dvds yes the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► fire hazard actually it is look at that [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► is you don't want to look in the garage [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Oh God but in that and that's just like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► the stuff that i have that isn't virtual [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► so you know i'm interested in so many [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► things i want to read so many things [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► this is sort of forced me to focus on [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► you know we're reading this for three [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► weeks from now we're watching this for [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► two weeks from now and it's nice and [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► it's it's also been nice to be able to [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► talk about these things because I you [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► know I'm in the middle of Indiana I [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► don't have people here to talk about [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► Kiki things with so it's been nice to [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► have that outlet and especially things [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► like the old movie club i think with [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► maybe one or two exceptions so far [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► they've all been movies I've seen [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► multiple times so it's been funded to go [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► back and revisit them and then talk [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► about them and look at them with fresh [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► eyes because you know I never watched [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► them critically before or or this [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► critically and then and then just the [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the thought of reading and experiencing [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► things that I wouldn't normally read [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► like station eleven not a book i would [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► normally have read not a book I was [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► crazy about but i'm glad that i read it [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► and even something like a lock-in by [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► john scalzi which is a book that I said [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► I was not going to read because you have [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► me to you know it's I mean it's very [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► similar to what my mother had before she [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► passed away and then realizing that [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► eh it was probably okay to read it and [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► be if i read it i have a group of people [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that I can talk about that with and I'm [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► okay with that you know and I might not [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► have done that if i didn't have that [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► group i love you guys [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► Oh everybody then and then you know this [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► podcast is over he was gonna have a nice [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► for when they're like oh gosh that's [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► no no butBut been doing the radio [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► theater stuff has been wonderful just on [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► the creative side but also revisiting [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► all the things that are influences for [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► it and paying more attention to those [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► now too and going ok how did they do [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► this how can I do this to you know so [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► it's it's it's really enriched the way I [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► consume a lot of media as for listening [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► to other podcasts I listen I still [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► listen to ninety-nine percent invisible [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► and the memory palace all the time but [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► they're short you know how the memory [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► palace is usually less than 10 minutes [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► long [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► ninety-nine ninety-nine percent visible [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► is like 15 to 20 minutes at most [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► so they're very short song explode or a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► lot of a lot of radio topia shows those [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► and then just shows on the BBC i have [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► the iplayer app on my the by player [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► radio happens or it's two different apps [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► now on my phone and so I listen to a lot [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► of BBC you know maybe one show a day [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► there long ones i don't really listen to [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► much the flophouse even the flap has now [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that's it's sort of edging up to 90 [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► minutes in two hours and times as wait [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► how many minutes is that all podcasts [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► want to be 90 minutes if you get our [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► light it [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► yeah now all snuggled I don't have you [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► got my dad to take over it make them as [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► long as somebody's the average commute I [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► say yeah right let me let me tell you [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► about a podcast the dam and i do that's [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► out there [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► robot or not actually is even better if [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► you just want to work robot yeah it's [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► great for you [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► I listen to that all the time too but [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► yeah you know it's weird like listening [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► to the flight path i'll do that while [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► I'm trying to go to sleep and and so [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► I'll just drift off at some point I have [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► no idea where where I left off and then [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► all of a sudden one of their ads comes [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► on in the middle of the show that just [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► jolted me awake and then I get angry so [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► I don't listen for a couple weeks so [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► yeah i just i tend to listen to shorter [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► ones I'm not listening to fiction was [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► very much because i don't want to copy [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► styles which is that's always a [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► dangerous thing for writer boy that's [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► why I read nonfiction when i'm writing [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► because if I'm reading addiction i will [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► just copy that style it's not it's not [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► like I'm trying it just that's what's in [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► my head while I'm writing ago [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► ok ah well so I haven't come to go and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► yet you have suggested this topic so i [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► guess well I guess I guess its role [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► anytime [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► yeah sorry we got Jason what about you [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► I I'll yes I i will answer this question [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► after asking a Glen to Glen tell us it's [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► been 300 it's been 300 week's issue [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► since we had that conversation on [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► Twitter about the city in the city and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► here we are [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► so how have things changed for you in [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the last five and a half years it has [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► been a long time since episode number [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► one it's true and yet we're still here I [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► haven't worn you down yet have intruded [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► you can't exactly and we still have the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► plants because we'll always have [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► supplements and always applicants well [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► what everybody said I just so whatever [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► reset that's it it's a I i think i feel [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► i can carpool has helped me find my [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► tribe that's the phrase always liked [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► where I've been key for a long time I've [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► never felt particularly self-conscious [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► about even that went to really egghead [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► junior high and high school and you know [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► off to Eastern colleges and whatever so [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► it wasn't like I had a dearth of people [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► who had read hitchhiker's guide or [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► sci-fi or watch the movies i did it was [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► always kind of part of what I did and I [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► probably read a lot more sci-fi and [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► fantasy and beyond what was involved the [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► media of that comic books especially [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► when I said my single years and [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► single-digit years and teenager but I [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► feel like I kind of a gap I moved to [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► Seattle over 20 years ago [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► and cut a lot of friends here who are [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► more let's say like general culture [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► friends so i didn't have people here I [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► bonded over it where I found my geeks [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► was when I traveled and macworld was one [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► of the places and you know one source to [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► backwards year or maybe WWDC and I go to [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that I want to until like 2000-2001 a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► dot-com crash i would sometimes go to [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► six or seven conferences a year or [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► something like it and I get a hook up [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► with people who share those interests [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that's where I found my tribe was kinda [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► on the road more than I realized and so [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► when I when the dot humping collapse was [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► traveling less and it's looking at [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► macworld and then had my first kid in [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► 2004 and second 2007 just felt like [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► there are fewer people I could share [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► those experiences with and my wife is [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► not a sci-fi/fantasy person she doesn't [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► object to it just never pick your [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► interest and we have a lot of stuff that [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► we like to watch her engage in terms of [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► beauty and calm read some of the same [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► books and discuss them but I felt like I [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► lost my tribe it and the accomplice help [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► me refined that group and not just you [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► fellow panelists and friends you know [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► number of you and in real life before [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and out and offer my help to meet in [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► person and hang with in the future but [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► also mark your listeners there's so many [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► people I've met who listen to the show [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► or don know on Twitter and so you might [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► like this show they became listeners and [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► that's this wonderful extended group to [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► discuss things with that the facebook [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► group is now a really lovely extension [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► of that as well so i can get into some [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► specifics but I feel like exactly what I [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► think several people have said this at [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► this point but you're John and Dan and [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► at least something in particular is that [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► like I just feel like i have people who [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► if I actually ever said this issue days [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► I've people who if I read something or [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I'm thinking about a piece of culture [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► that I think it's kinda geeky I know I [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► people I can talk to about I know that [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► the most obscure thing that I'm [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► interested in I know multiple people in [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► our slack grouper our panels will know [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► it and i was thinking we also have this [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► great thing which is we have time [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► travelers in our midst [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► we're always joking at how serenity you [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► know grew up with the way she grew up [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► which is she's like 20 years older than [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► she is in some ways and I think that's [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► true of a lot of us that kind of [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► have an age chronological age matched [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► David of course is 87 [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► yes I'm really in my sixties and a lot [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► of us lived a lot of its kind of [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► interest in it took us back [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it's true that i'm probably my 16 like [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► what's our friends on how much blood [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► he's he's drunk today is I'm tender [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► linear constructs and you earth people [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► get to what's your what's your cultural [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► age you know I think what's been great [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► too is not just reaching farther into [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the past and being able to you know I i [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► talked about this on the foot podcast we [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► need to really show episode with them on [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► Ashley and and David I and I did that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► and it was kind of hilarious because [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► check is talking my dad later he's like [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► almost all those two I'm like of course [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you did you were alive then I don't [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► listen to them later teenager and a [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► bunch of guys their forties talking [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► about shows that aired you know for [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► years before they were born so you know [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► I think I reiterate some other people's [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► points just briefly to is I'd kind of [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► gotten out of the habit of reading [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► comics and definitely think Jason I [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► think you are a key influence in that i [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► would say the couple episodes help drive [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► me towards specific things but I think [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► your interest and writing about reading [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► comics on ipad actually definitely [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► steered me towards trying it out and I [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► read I don't need a ton of comics i go [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► through binges and all sometimes get [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► collections out of the library like the [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► giants and man-eating so just I [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► literally don't have room in my house to [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► put those four volumes so i'll get about [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the library and read them but I [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► definitely I'd essentially a banner [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► reading comics Doctor Who I was watching [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► but having a crew of people who also [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► watched it definitely kept me on track [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► with that and I always you know be [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► reading books sci-fi and fantasy [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► throughout my life but I think having [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► that focus you know I think John was [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► saying is just being able to drive [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► towards I gotta get this finished [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► because we're doing a book club episode [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► or like recently I read the Goblin [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► Empire Emperor year so someone's after [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► you guys talked about in an episode and [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► that was inspired by the discussion look [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► I need to go read this book so i don't [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► think i have a [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► this is help me feel like I'm not [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► reading in isolation about watching [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► isolation so if i have fields which we [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► all do with the places i'm i'm not [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► talking my wife she's folding laundry [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► more to her great pleasure she goes I [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► have a group back together to take my [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► opening statements to as well and i will [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► say I'm almost convinced by this group [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► that i should be should rewatch Babylon [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► 5 and deep space 9 [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► yeah he's with that I'd yeah deep space [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► nine elder rewatch with you I think it'd [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► be fun to podcast about it but haven't [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► listened but you can listen to the audio [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► but guide to Babylon 5 with the with [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► Erica and ship and shannon which 1i [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► magically re watching it while listening [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► to their podcast and it's been a lot of [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► fun i watched some of that series but [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► why was the last thing I'd say it's just [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► I don't know it's it's fun to explore [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► stuff with friends and it's fun to be in [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► a group where not only do I consider i [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► mean i know all you guys are friends but [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► it's also like it extends that French [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► about where I've always felt like being [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► comfortable is inclusive and welcoming [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► thing we try to welcome people into what [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► we're doing and because we want to share [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► our excitement and even if we don't like [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► something was shuttered its taste but [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► we're not trying to tell people you're [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► not the geek that you should be you [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► don't know and I right we'll have the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► information this is a place where we [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► want to really come in and I feel like [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► that's one of the great things about [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► human part of this i have to say that [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► generally speaking I think the people i [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► interact with on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► represent the best faces of fandom the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► the sense that it's inclusive and [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► there's not a whole lot of flashing of [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► credit the sensible i'm on a first-name [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► basis with these creators are these [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► actors and there's not a whole lot of [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► the whole well I've been reading this [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► sense XYZ and if you haven't you're [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► obviously not a fan [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► there's not a whole lot of flashing a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► bona fides and i really love that about [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► the the Finnish culture that the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► incomparable in the aggregate has [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► perpetuated by and I think that's one of [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► the reasons i love sticking around to is [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► because if i want to dive into something [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that I've never ever read or watched [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► before somebody will say oh my gosh yeah [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► right here here's a pointer here's how [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► to get started when you get to this part [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► talk to because I want to talk to you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► about it is supposed to you haven't seen [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► that yet my god you know it's not like [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► we're sitting here trying to criticize [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► every [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► thing or tear things apart with the rare [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► exception [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► it's our does not i dunno don't be [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► running i love to criticize i'm kinda [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► like going to but it's the personal [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► interactions [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► yeah.the mission here is like enthusiasm [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► right yeah yeah love these things [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► I think we've been talking about for a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► long time that that's kind of our our [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► SOP when it comes to these things is [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► there's plenty of places out there to [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► talk about things and break them down [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► and yes we do that to a certain extent [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► heck we've got our own podcast about [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► talking up things that most people don't [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► like but it's nice it ya hey that's [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► great i love that's called you have been [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► looking up things podcast circle [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► yeah I think there's some british term [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► for it but i'm not sure yet but i think [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► that is one of the pleasant things all [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► that and i think it's interesting it's [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► great to feel like you know sometimes [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► you feel like we have an infinite number [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► of possibilities of things to talk about [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► as well just in the in the process of of [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► talking about this i was scrolling back [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► through our archives and notice that [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► episode I think on episode four we [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► discussed a you know whether we should [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► talk about a upcoming darktower movie [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► adaptation and five and a half years [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► later the dark tower episode [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► oh well that was upcoming it still is [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► technically upcoming it's museum but [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► it's not uncritical either it's not like [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► oh this is great it's a draenei yeah I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► be there are no loyalty test that's that [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► that's the thing i like that is there's [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► there's no loyalty test where you're not [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► a true fan if you don't unquestioningly [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► embrace this you know parentheses [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► problematic element parentheses you know [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► people are allowed to engage with the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► the text as they would say in school and [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you like your one thing i love this but [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► I don't want this about it is to love [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► this right and it's okay um yeah I think [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► I mean I talked about that I know Eric [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► and I've talked about that the idea that [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► there's no such thing as you're doing it [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► wrong when you're a fan like you can be [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► a fan of whatever and and there's no [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► wrong way to be a fan of something and [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► also that and that includes being you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► know getting something out of it by [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► looking at it with some with a critical [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► eye that that you know that that's [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► always been part of my consumption of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► media is [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that you get more out of it when you do [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► that and I really love tearing tearing [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► apart something not because i'm trying [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► to destroy it but because I'm trying to [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► understand it what works what doesn't [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► work and why i like it why it resonates [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► with me and I and if that's not for [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► everybody but i think that that's that's [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► one of the the like Dan said the SOPs of [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► of this is it that's that's that's a [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► fake military talk for standard [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► operating procedures by the way of this [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► podcast is is that exactly which is [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► we're coming at it from a position of [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► enthusiasm but we we also wanna kinda [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► kind of tearing apart and find out like [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► what makes it tick and why why it is the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► way it is why we like it or why we you [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► know what why some of it bothers us and [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► but never in a you know never except for [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► maybe rocket surgery and a mean-spirited [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► way human and and it's were so many of [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► us also i think I you know the fact that [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► we came out of a group of people who are [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► mainly interested in technology and a [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► lot of people in that group there's a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► large crossover with taking things apart [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► and seeing how they work and trying to [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► figure them out right so i think that's [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► that helps us in that way I mean I i was [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► thinking about it today thinking about [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the question for tonight and and it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► really you know it's kind of made me a [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► better writer too because i'm paying [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► more attention and you know trying to [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► figure out how it works and how how does [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► this why is this structured this way why [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► did they make this choice and it's [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► making me think a little bit more as i'm [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► writing my own stuff which I did not [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► expect so I i I'll answered this [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► question in the sense of uh there is i [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► realized there is a precious little that [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► I consume anymore that does not have a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► podcast at the end of it here when it's [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► a little bit brought it's a little bit [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► problematic and yet at the same time it [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► is also that i'm on a kind of a glide [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► path it's not as if there are things [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that I am desperate to to consume that I [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► don't get too it's just that a lot of it [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► ends up leading to somewhere and that's [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► how I kind of pic the topics and how I [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► can modulate my entertainment [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► consumption time sometimes it gets a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► little crazy like one when we did Buffy [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► Season one and there were a couple of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► old movies and there were a bunch of [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► books and there's like and there's ten [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► batman animated series of passwords like [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► wow there's a lot here in a very short [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► period of time [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► you consume which is when we get to be [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► panic reading is John put it you know at [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► the same time it's it's um I i do have [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► those moments I was talking to somebody [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► and I'm not sure John was John was out [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► here visiting not too long ago and i [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► know we were talking and you have those [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► moments where you're like this could be [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► a podcast but it's not a podcast [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► shouldn't be a podcast know what you are [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► recording tonight I should i buy car [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► just I need to install the microphones [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► in the car so I can get all of the all [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► of the conversations down but it and [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that's and that's the point is that i do [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► have those moments where i watch a TV [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► show let's say that i'm not doing a [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► podcast about and I think this is a [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► little bit weird like I i I'm almost [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► always taking notes now right and then [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► again it's not a bad way but it has sort [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► of like become that if i'm going to [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► prioritize something and I want to say [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► this really positive like i said earlier [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► i'm reading a lot of different comics [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► because I've been able to use sort of [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► Lisa as a guide to suggesting she has [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► this great knowledge of stuff that I [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► have no idea about that that's actually [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► been really great to expose me to a [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► whole bunch of new stuff and back when [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► Jason Brian was on and he got a new job [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► then moved to Seattle and it's very busy [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and this hasn't been on while but you [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► know he would he would suggest things to [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► and Lisa would suggest things that and [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► that was really great for my comic [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► reading the award patrol that we've been [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► doing that that was come up a couple of [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► times has actually really help because i [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► I've never been a fantasy reader I've [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► always preferred science fiction fantasy [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and a lot of the novels that not being [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► nominated for the hugo and nebula awards [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► are fantasy novels and I've really loved [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► them and i think i would never have read [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► the doc goblin empereur the gene golem [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► or a bunch of the the novel's actually [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► that are that we will be talking about [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► in a couple weeks in are nebulous [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► episode that i really liked but are are [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► essentially fantasy and I would have the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► absolutely bypass them otherwise so it's [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► on that score [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► it's also been uh it's also been really [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► great to add to my my pile or at least [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► guide my reading pile and discover great [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► stories and great authors that I [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► wouldn't have found on and then on the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► TV friend I mean that's the one of the [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► nice things about creating the TV [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► podcast is the a lot of the stuff that I [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► was gonna watch anyway and i was going [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► to think about anyway I get to talk [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► about with people so like Monty was [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► writing recaps for television without [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► pity for years about Game of Thrones [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► and when they shut down television [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► without pity i said hey mom did you want [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► to talk about Game of Thrones on a [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► podcast we got to do that and we still [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► do that and brian hamilton one week I [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► couldn't do it and he's just a like a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► random listener decided to come on and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► now Brian's on a podcast with us and so [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► that was great you do so and and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► likewise going to talk about Doctor Who [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I was going to talk about Doctor Who [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► with people every week anyway and now [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► it's a podcast and that's a lot of fun [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► so I'd say that that's another part of [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► this is is is transmitting some of the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► stuff that i was going to do anyway and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► be excited about and I turn that into [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► something every move we've said this in [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► most of the anniversary episodes we've [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► done here which is I feel like if I [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► didn't have this podcast i would still [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► want to call you up but you know all of [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► you and talk about stuff that i read [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► write something that we all got gas I'm [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► not as we might as well because in your [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► mind starts to canada he was attentive [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► there's this message that onion story [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that just came out it was a click all [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► about the woman finds herself [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► accidentally engaged in podcast without [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► realizing it [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► like many of you guys have said like [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► this is the kind of stuff i would sit [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► around like shoot the breeze with my [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► friends you know over the course of the [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► last 20 years and I feel like many of [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► you even before we started doing the [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► podcast we found that we had similar [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► interests and we would end up sitting [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► around talking about these things you [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► know at those occasions going to talk [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► about where we you know met up and [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► whatever and so it's nice to have this [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► as an outlet because yeah we're all [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► nerds we all like talking about stuff [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► and that that's pretty much all I love [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► me some other people in like brian [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► hamilton Generosa steel dance term like [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► how many Ali not willingly and leaving [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► them all these wonderful people we like [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► it's like a magnetic field we're just [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► pulling more people in turn or become [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► our government to our mom and they're [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► just early and converted into pure [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► energy they start their own podcast and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► soon we have my hundred body and [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► comparable is BMO [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► so before we break for the for the [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► second part of this man the 300th [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► episode i wanted to just ask Glenn Glenn [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► something mentioned if you if you have [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► anything specific that you want to [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► highlight like like I i discovered this [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► entirely because of the incomparable i'm [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► glad i did this would be a fine time to [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► do that if you don't that's fine but I'm [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► I'm just sort of curious thats the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► that's the final little little part [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► Glenn are there are there specific so [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► did you cover them did you mention the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► my I'm a few specifics and i'll go [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► supercast I promise is a hundred [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► thousand four hundred things as a [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► hundred thousand kingdoms yeah [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► NK jemisin yeah I love her work i've [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► only read the first series and I keep me [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► go to the next but I everyone later it's [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► really good i just read the first book [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of the next series for the nebulas and [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► really good really good [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► I think this way she's our third series [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► of having mr. second yeah so I I've [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► reread hundred thousand kingdoms at [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► least twice [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► china mieville and already been reading [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► but i think i read more than because [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► this I regret it slightly but his books [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► i like so much i like so much yeah are [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► friendly and clean like her who wrote a [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► column in the genie and how about that [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► by the way the power of the podcast that [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► a book that that a lot of us really [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► loved and I had was my favorite book of [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► the year and the writer of that book [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► like listen to the podcast and I have [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► lunch with her and she's been on a [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► couple episodes and how awesome is that [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that's amazing that's unbelievable and [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► we made our watches are does yeah [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► ohmmeter was our house now she's never [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► coming back ever coming background like [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► you never have lunch with her nice she's [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► tired of Night Circus is another book [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► that I discovered through the show I [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► think yeah and uh III whenever anybody [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► ask for a recommendation like what is [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► some good fiction to read i say night [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► circus and golden the genie [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► I mean those are the two my favorite I [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► new books the last decade they're just [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► so beautiful and there's certainly a lot [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► in common but I would never have found [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► out of those for the show [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► Leviathan weeks I've now read the whole [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► series to date i read the bunnies fancy [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► yeah and and also watch the TV show and [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► i think i would not have nests I almost [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► certainly wouldn't have encountered [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► those are great and Joe Walton who have [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► not read enough of that I've read for of [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► her books now i need to be reading some [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► of others as well [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► oh and own folly miyazaki like I heard [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► about miyazaki for years never felt that [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► approachable I wasn't sure what to watch [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► for but understand it and through the [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► good offices of mr. siracusa and several [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► the rest of your I felt like I had an [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► entree I've only watched a few movies [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► but my kids love them and i will will [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► eventually get through them all [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► that was another example of us doing a [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► whole episode about everything that [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► director ever made and then realizing oh [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► crap we're going to be here for more [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► than 300 episodes maybe I should take [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► them one [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► I wanted to dance with two people on it [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► to thank you yeah that was I think John [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► in fact I think that's the only two [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► percent certainty uncomfortable no one [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► else really want it that's why we need [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► Erica to come for something to watch my [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► weird yeah [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► oh the key upstairs extremely valuable [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► because it had listened to it after [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► watching the movie twice and I [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► understand me better so thank you [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► yeah anybody else have things like [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► specific things I want to call out if [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► you do feel free to share it was [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► discovered it was my understanding there [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► would be no not on the test [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► I can't remember the name of the [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► specific fantastic for Minnie's [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► miniseries example unstable molecules [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► unstable molecules i would not have [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► heard about if jason reitman had [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► recommended it and it is one of my [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► favorite unconventional superhero [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► research retellings now [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► yeah that was that was really good I you [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► know the jason reitman one that I always [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► want to mention is the end you can [TS]