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00:00:06 ◼   ► the integral test episode 26 or have you [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► led 2011 [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► i am your host Daniel Moore and sitting [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► in for Jason's now who is and espana [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► joining me on today's session which is [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► going to be about role-playing games we [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► have quite a colorful cast of characters [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► returning to the incomparable mr. Scott [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► McNulty sorry Scott I'm wielding my plus [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► one wit at anybody no sorry I I you [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► gotta forfeit back on that one who all [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► right i also returning to the podcast [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► from his debut appearance on our video [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► game episode Tony simple are Tony hi [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► it's nice to be here [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I think we made a strict no sound [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► effects rule I I was not breached if and [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► for his debut appearance on our on our [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► podcast mr. Jason Tasi are you doing [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► Jason I'm okay i didn't realize that [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► should cover the role-playing joke sorry [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► I could call you [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► gamemaster Jason tossing that makes me [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► feel a little better because otherwise i [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► was going to make some lame joke about [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► failing my mission role for coming with [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► jokes or something i'm still working [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► over here okay if you let that one let [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► that once summer yeah fur go lightweight [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► so yeah today we can talk about [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► role-playing games not not the video [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► game variety but the classic tabletop [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► dice pen-and-paper hardcover books the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► smell of sweat and fear that that kind [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► of good stuff and so I thought we just [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► start off by talking a little bit about [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► how we got into role-playing games and [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► you know when we started that kind of [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► thing about what kind of games we [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► started playing so Jason how do you how [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► do you start by rolling it uh whom let's [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► say well as well maybe 11 years old I [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► think I went to school this guy named [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► chris who said to me one day [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► would you like to try Dungeons and [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► Dragons it was advanced of course the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► second edition and I I i don't know that [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► i've never actually even heard of it at [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► that point but it certainly read about [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► dragons and had yeah you know a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► favorable interpretation of of dragons [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► and so figured okay let's try this [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► we started with the classic you wake up [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► in a field motif and [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► I just kind of went on from there so if [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► I said you are in a tavern right now you [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► would have immediately you would feel it [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► all rush back to absolutely i am in the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► first chapter of dragons of autumn [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► Twilight right now I don't know what [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that is [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► I'm sorry that I do it's got how about [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► you i was in fifth grade so don't hold [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► you are when you're in fifth grade I was [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► probably 20 because I'm that what [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► however whatever the appropriate Ages [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► when you're 50 in fifth grade is what I [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► was my friend Kevin who actually was [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► kind of a friend of a friend who was in [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► high school I was like hey you want to [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► play Dungeons and Dragons and he it was [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► not advanced dungeons and dragons know [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► it was first edition Dungeons and [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► Dragons know who and now i'm not [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► actually that all they could have been [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► second edition but my friend Kevin Spain [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► ungodly amount of money to buy all the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► first edition books because he thought [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► that was the one true edition of [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Dungeons and Dragons that is definitely [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► something we will get back to wait [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► around like that i can guarantee that [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► so yeah that that is my first experience [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► was and we buy played with that group of [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► people probably for maybe eight years [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► i'm tony how about you [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► I think they're pretty similar story to [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► both of you I think I started playing in [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► junior high school I think I [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► specifically i don't think i played any [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► role playing games before our junior [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► high school today uh no I know it was [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► officially dnd or a role-playing game [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► club and i joined that and i believe i [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► actually played it my first game was run [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► by Jason spread Chris if i remember [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► correctly he was basically rounded up to [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► run a game for like all the new like [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► young kids that wandered in its rightful [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► disc in the interest of full disclosure [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I will say that but Tony and Jason and I [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► all attended the same junior high school [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► and high school so we have probably have [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► a lot of the same experiences with with [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► much for playing there you go [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► as for me which is I think a pretty [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► similar story for you guys I think the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► first time I've remember playing was in [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► actually a summer camp we have a camp [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► where I grew up that had like you let [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► you pick all your sort of it was kind of [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► like a little bit like a college setup [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► was like you pick classes and take them [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► like it was like woodworking or archery [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► or creative writing or something about [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► dungeons dragons and one of those [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► dungeons dragons and so I I remember [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► starting out on that I oh I think we [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► were not in the advanced group advanced [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► dungeons dragons group i was remedial [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► dungeon have to work your way up to it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► well it was funny because there were two [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► groups the men at the same time and this [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► in the same room which is just let me [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► know classroom at the junior high school [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► across town and I remember that the [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► other group was the ad group because [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► they have the fancy books and everything [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► and we were just using the like sort of [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► basic Dungeons and Dragons thing and i [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► eventually been acquired like there's a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► box set like this black box that came [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► with like a DM screen and like the basic [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► rules set of dice and some little like [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► cardboard miniature type things and had [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► like a basic adventure but it was really [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► like it was the basic rules where they [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► were like like five classes or something [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you know like magic user fighter thief [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► wizard and like that are multiples are [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► just magic user cleric something like [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that and then they're like three races [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► like it was really bare bones and I [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► convinced several of my cousins to play [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► with me on vacation when you're because [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► one of them was actually an avid DVD [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► player DVD put CD player in his own if [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► you're related to a DVD player there he [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► was ahead of his time to think that 1999 [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► or something and yet now obsolete [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► yeah well here he had been playing for [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► many years and in fact he still plays [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► regularly and playing the same group [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► like 20 years on and off [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► I'll so I and i'm writing assuming that [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► we pretty much all started by playing [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► D&D right i think so I think so Terry I [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► remember I remember sitting in a junior [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► high school cafeteria like having a roll [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► dice to make a character and thinking [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► that this took a long time I think life [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► my first character was a thief and I [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► believe he had like six hit points calm [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and I believe he died in that first [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► campaign [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► I think this was back when it was more [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► acceptable to like murder characters and [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► beggins way it's not acceptable to [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► murder characters and it's it's slightly [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► you know I mean I think you there are [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► places where it's not culturally [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► acceptable [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I mean I know you're from Philadelphia [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► so it only murder each other so you guys [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► also all been Mike Dungeon Master's to [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► have you run games as of recently yes [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► yeah as a last weekend maybe I think I [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► think yeah but not not as a dungeon [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► master Dan was very was very careful to [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► refer to me as a gamemaster have [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► ventured beyond the dungeon careful [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► there are dragons out there were you not [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► playing Dungeons and Dragons and we were [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► not actually but i don't know i don't [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► know that if that now like it's okay [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► that's fair i think i recused myself [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► from that i know i watched you want to [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► open up this 2828 to a game mastering [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► perspective Scott have you run if you're [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► in the game as well I i have been a [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► dungeon master a game master and a [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► storyteller [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► oh that sounds that sounds almost [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► lyrical yeah and so that's that sort of [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► next question I want to ask which was [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that you're beyond sort of dungeons [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► dragons which of course is it has a has [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► a reputation is or the seminal role [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► playing game what are the other kinds of [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► I mean there are lots of there are lots [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► of RPGs and I think probably a lot of [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► the people listening to this podcast are [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► probably familiar with dungeons and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► dragons but they may not be as familiar [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► with without the short game so it just [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► kind of curious what other what other [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► RPG systems or worlds have you guys have [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► you got played my list may be pretty [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► much the same as Jason list except Jason [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► ran those games so I have you know I [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► played Dungeons and Dragons i have [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► played dead lands which is a week the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► game set in the weird west which is a [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► pretty cool theme is it return to castle [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► containers just castle pockets team just [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► can't walk [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► ok to return return to castle [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► wolfenstein as the castle to which you [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► return [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► Castle Frankenstein which is a really [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► cool kind of steampunk steampunk ask [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► victorian-era game and I played a couple [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► i will call them unfortunate games of [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► vampire the masquerade and those can be [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► unfortunate they were there was I think [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► I think there was just there was a bad [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► mix of players and game masters in those [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► settings and I've also played a good [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► deal of the game in nomine so that's me [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► Scott how about you uh I have played a [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► all the flavors of DMD so all the [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► additions i played marvel superheroes [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► earth Dom don't know if anyone ever [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► rooms with that is um I do that shit or [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► shame in that four hits the top well [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► because i have it on my shelf and I've [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► never run it [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► uh-huh it was please continue to go it's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► not really worth playing [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► I'm all right good to know I was played [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► I have played the lord of the ring one [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► of the Lord of the Rings games I don't [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► know which one [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► paranoia which is a great thing is no [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► Star Trek and Star Wars and Star Wars [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► game oh yes I wish it didn't like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► because I hate stop [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► wow I just have to say that because it [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► makes dance so angry i always forget [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► when you're on his blood guests and I [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► want to keep walking he's got and a [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► bunch of other than 0 and a lot of the [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► palladium stuff so I love riffs like [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► rips played this here is a limited I [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► don't know I've never played the play of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► a fantasy game but and that and there [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► are some others random stuff i played [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► Jason you know I Scott and Tony actually [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► covered a lot of the ones that i would [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► have mentioned i don't i don't know what [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► you call it [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► let's say a phase where I after being [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► introduced to dnd where were Chris [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► Rainey game and then actually i remember [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► playing in the damn ram back in seventh [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► or eighth grade or so and then another [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► friend of our started running game some [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► of the palladium games like I remember [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► we played our heroes unlimited I have a [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► vague feeling we might have played some [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► news and super spies around that time [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► and run around and it is was my face of [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► of wanting to create games too so i made [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► a bunch of basic likes DNT care [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► if knockoff system type games for comic [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► books that i really enjoyed so we played [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► that kind of thing for a while and after [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► a while of trying to work on this what [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► was what was to be my game masterpiece [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► my own original fantasy world that was [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► just this intricately piece together [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► entire system and world i was showing it [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► to a friend of my John who had played [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► many more games that i had and jon said [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► well does it doesn't have to look just [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► like dnd and I was sort of feeling like [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► what what what else would it look like [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► i've never seen her role playing game [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► and so he pulled me over to a friends [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► place and we played a game of castleball [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► can stand where you know there's no dice [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you're using cards for everything and it [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► was just so far from anything I've ever [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► seen before that this this brought me [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► into my next phase of let me play things [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► that are even nothing like D&D [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► whatsoever and so I'm not even throwing [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► something in their life which I know [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► that that I played with put some of your [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► well the extraordinary adventures of [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► baron munchausen which is it's more of a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► storytelling game that a role-playing [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► game but i kinda I kind of think of it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► in the same category in some ways not [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► just a great syndrome a great game [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► indeed i've been running a nominee [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► lately after i had had not been playing [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► role playing games for years and then I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► did this this 400-page dissertation on [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► geek culture for my PhD and when I was [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► done with that I was like oh man you [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► know what I really want to do I want to [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► do something really geeky that it's not [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► for work and and so that's a game about [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► angels and demons and i have a bunch of [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► other stuff just kind of sitting on my [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► shelf that I've been like thinking like [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► all run that sometime and I just never [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► have like I've got the complete rules to [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► eclipse phase and Trinity which is a [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► done a couple of science fiction games [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► continuum which is a time-travel game [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► and just a bunch of other stuff too [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I think I played trinity is that is that [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► was that a white wolf for now it is [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► always a white wolf science fiction game [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► in which everyone basically with some [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► theme of psychic and it comes in with [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the book is like a binder with a weird [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► plastic cover thing gets not my favorite [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► physical for Maddox I I think there's [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► also a paperback which i kinda like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► I'm did you guys play a role playing [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► games like straight through or did you [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► guys take over [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► I know Jason Jason you and I i think [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► both were in a similar experience where [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► we played a lot in sort of junior high [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► school maybe early on in high school and [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► then maybe more sporadically after that [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► and then I feel like after college we [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► probably didn't play for a really long [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► time I mean I definitely got out of D&D [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► fairly early on and it wasn't until the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the most recent the fourth edition came [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► out that I sort of got back into it [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► did you guys have the same experience of [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► like like sort of us moving away from [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► from opening games where you guys been [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► praying with playing them pretty much [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► consistently since you're introduced [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► well I guess I already answered that so [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► i'll just add one little addendum to it [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► which is that I i gotta make like to [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► mention that in the period at the peak [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► of my second phase of let's play [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► whatever I can get my hands on phase i [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► mean like i was like going to to gaming [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► conventions by myself to like enter [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► role-playing game competitions and meet [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► strangers and stuff like that that was a [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► very mixed bag as an experience where [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► sometimes you get you play games like I [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► went to this convention called a region [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► which is a local Boston sci-fi [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► convention and I'm the people who ran [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► the Steve Jackson games booth there ran [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► this really awesome game of tune which [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► is a very much like a loony toon style [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► role-playing game and and also a sort of [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► killed dr. lucky larp which i think i [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► think it will be only large I've ever [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► participated in and was really really [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► excellent and so that made me feel like [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► all this is what i need to do i need to [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► go to these kind of conventions and meet [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► let's just say that the rest of that [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► year didn't really go as well when I [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► kept doing it until I realized maybe I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► don't want to be playing a roleplaying [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► games that much after all and then I [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► just quit for years and it was only very [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► recently that I decided maybe I kind of [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► Miss that hobby but I just need to ease [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► myself into this with people i already [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► know and get along with very well what [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► you guys got [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► well I I'd played steadily through high [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► school and then I went to college and I [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► played maybe a couple times in college I [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► knew a lot of people who played D&D in [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► college but I never really wanted to [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► play with them and then they invited me [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► to a party which i thought was a party [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► but it was activated the other kind of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► party is it was a LARPing party and who [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the bad guy is that everyone was pretty [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► vampires and I was like this is really [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► weird so I pretended to be a vampire for [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► a little while and then I decided that I [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► would be a vampire who was bored with [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the party and leave and they didn't like [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► that then i moved back home to me i'm [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► originally from New York and so i went [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► to new york and then after a while I [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► moved to Philadelphia and I didn't know [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► anybody really so I was like I need to [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► meet somebody so I met a bunch of people [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► who play D&D so I started playing DMV [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► because i was kind of burnt out on dnd [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and I've been playing with that group [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► for like six years now so [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► mhm it's worked out well apparently [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► County High oh yeah I mean I think it's [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► a toaster cycles i think a big part of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► it is who you know who are your friends [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► that are you know around you especially [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► since a lot of the role-playing you do [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► is actually like in person [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► I'm it's not something you do over the [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► web like video games so people being [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► around who want to play a game and [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► particularly people who want to run a [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► game since that seems to take a huge [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► amount of work on the part of you know [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► some sucker and you know that the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► availability of said sucker tends to you [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► know to oscillate so it comes and goes [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► I'm not I I mean I enjoy role-playing [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► games but i'm not super motivated to [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► probably go out and play them with [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► people i don't know what i end up [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► playing a lot of role-playing game Simon [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you know three different campaigns right [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► now but to me it's you know it's the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► role playing games are fun and there's [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► something I want to do with with people [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► i know or at least friends of friends [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► but I wouldn't be like you know I've [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► never felt like I want to play Dungeons [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► and Dragons so much that I'm gonna go [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► find people and play dungeons dragons [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► with them [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► yeah i mean it strikes me as very much a [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► social kind of like activity you know [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► for some people like might have a poker [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► night or something like that [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and let's be fair I'm I don't really [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► care for people that much i think most [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► people who play the ND don't care for [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► people that have maybe an [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► overgeneralization but I'm gonna stick [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► by that the level of Arc's Sarah [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► experiment up tony touch on interesting [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► point which i think is the idea of you [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► know most role-playing games beings for [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► physical and in person but there's also [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► i feel like an expanding amount of [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► people playing role playing games [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► virtually because say though you know [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► they may not be geographically close to [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► the people that they are used to playing [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► with and so for example i'm running a [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► group right now which tony is actually [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► in uh-huh [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► that is done over skype and uses a video [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► game system [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► alright i'm sorry it's just a a sort of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► shared application in which we can see [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► like a map and move little tokens around [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► and have an adventure even though two of [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► our party members live in Texas one [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► lives in Connecticut I was Antonio [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► Island Massachusetts and so its end it's [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► it's very it's a very different [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► experience I've found and in some ways a [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► lot harder and some of it helps that [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► already start it part of the part of the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► problem is that some of our people are [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► also very new and they have never played [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► D&D before and so as a result it feels [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► like a lot of our our games turn into [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► almost a video game type thing where you [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► know it's if you become kind of [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► disconnected because you're just moving [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► a little token around and so if there's [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► a lot of clicking and everything and and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► less of the whole plan it suffers from a [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► lot of this and basically the same kind [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► of issues of you know being in a MTG vs [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► attending like a virtual meeting or mmm [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► yeah I mean I teleconference you know [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► it's a DNA webinar it is basically it's [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► basically a dnd weapon it that sounds [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► way it sounded way less cool when you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► put it that way I had no idea that this [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► act of the software we use map tool [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► which is is that open source to him [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► yes it's actually pretty pretty well put [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► I'm pretty impressed with it I have to [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► imagine that kind of thing would lend [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► itself to some role-playing games better [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► than others because we talk about a [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► pretty broad range of I mean the fact [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that was talking about about the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► adventures of baron munchausen over here [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► is as something that by my classifieds [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► there's a role-playing game you're [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► really you're sitting around the circle [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► and you're just telling stories and [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► abetting each other that like I can make [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► a story better and that's it that's very [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► different from i'm going to move tokens [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► around the board now and can strategize [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► about how to you know attack these [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► enemies and so on and so forth [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► well it and it feels more like almost [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► more like a war game type thing or a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► strategy game and I think that that's in [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► some ways that's a shame because i [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► really enjoy the interactions of the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► role-playing environment and it's hard [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► to coax people who are new to the idea [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► of role-playing into wanting to do that [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► when there isn't when you don't have all [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► those visual cues and so I think a lot [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► of our are newer players have been more [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► hesitant to get into the whole you know [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► really putting yourself in a character [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► because of the the disconnect and it [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► takes a while for people to get used to [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► it i mean the campaign i'm running has [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► five players in it and three of them had [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► never played a role playing game before [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► so they they come they bring to a [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► different expectation then say the other [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► two players who are you know super super [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► hardcore nerds about it [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► well that I mean and that's it's always [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► interesting to have a mix of people like [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► that but it definitely provides a [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► different sort of experience especially [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► when you've got a large number of people [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► who are really really comfortable and [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► always wanna roll roll dice speaking [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► which I was thinking that there i think [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► one interesting thing and it's something [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► I appreciate about one of the most [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► recent versions of the dnd revamp in the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► dungeon master's guide there's a whole [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► section on different types of players [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► without which I found fascinating [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► because you it's it's pretty good it's [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► pretty good you start going through and [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you're like yup got one of those got one [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► of those get an end i'm kind of curious [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► you guys run into the same sort of like [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► I mean this the terms things like people [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► like rules lawyers and you know the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► weekend called munchkins or more more [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► polite things I guess people who get [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► bored unless they're they're cracking [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► heads [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► I mean do you guys in your experience of [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► role-playing like having played with [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► different groups and different people [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► like find that you encountered similar [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► you know styles of play very frequently [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► or is it really much more desperate than [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► that or what Jason have you run a bunch [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► of different games [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► yeah it is funny because you asked about [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► and Martin have a sort of two parallel [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► responses one is remember i said before [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► that I got back into this hobby because [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► i wanted to do something that felt sort [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► of geeky and fun that I didn't have to [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► feel like I'm doing this is a sort of [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► dimension of cultural analysis and so [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and and and so I I don't think I mean [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► how do i phrase this i guess i have not [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► really looked at the people i played [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► with in that way especially considering [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► that some of the games I play been you [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► know all these are my friends and so [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it's much easier to think of it is [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► oh and this is how damn place is not [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► only place but by the same token I don't [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► know if you if you if any of you ever [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► listen to any kind of like nerdcore [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► popper keep music anything like that but [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► I listen to this one podcast on radio [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► free hipster which comes from my hipster [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► please dot com and I'm recently the guy [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► who put that who put that together put [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► together a compilation called 20-sided [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► rhymes which is just 20 tracks about [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► role-playing games basically and it's [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► pretty fun i've been listening to it on [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► the way to work and and there's all [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► these you know like rap songs with [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► lyrics about you know the ridiculous [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► things that players will do and even [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► though I haven't really been paying [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► attention and feeling like oh yeah I'm [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► categorizing these people this time once [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► again here's the this you know the rules [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► are here and so on and so forth [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► I'm listening to the lyrics to the songs [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► only oh my god I totally know what [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► you're talking about here so there's [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► definitely sort of like archetypes of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► players are shared kind of experiences [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► like oh you played with that guy that I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► guess I didn't really notice until it [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► was pointed out to me in lyrical first [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► you often don't realize things until [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► they've been sung to you like that [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► I mean it you know there's the classic [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► is it it's the dr. Demento sketch right [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► about the dnd with the you know where [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► the cheeto you know like it's very [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► stereotypical and yet they're there is a [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► certain amount of truth in parts of it [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► and I think that's part of what makes it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► funny but it does seem like like certain [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► elements of that crop up a lot sort of [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► related to that I i think you know we [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► all started out in high school and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► obviously high school is very traumatic [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► place for many people huh maybe [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► including or including and/or especially [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► for you know maybe people who play a [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► role playing games but I am curious to [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► know if that's shifted in terms of like [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► you know I think many of us have [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► experienced a stigma attached to it has [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that diminished and I I don't know if [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► we've gotten to the point where Diaz is [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► cool but it's not it's ironically i [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► don't even think it's ironic i mean you [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► can be ironic playing it you can't let [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► you know it's funny actually I mention [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► I'd so i mentioned before I'm kind of [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► just joking around and said I feel like [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► I'm a dragons of autumn Twilight right [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► now that is the first book of the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► dragonlance travel one of the Dragons [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► trilogies I guess I don't know [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and the reason I bring this up is [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► because while i was doing my [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► dissertation research was absolutely [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► fascinated to see that newbury comics [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► which is a local you know music / [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► chachki / pop-culture merchandise chain [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► that we have around here in the Boston [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► area was selling among its you know it's [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► t-shirts for local sports teams and for [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► you know ya hit movies and hip and stuff [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► a t-shirt that just had the cover of the [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► dragonlance rulebook and i'm looking at [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► this little piggy who is this for her [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► act like i never right into that to some [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► extent i still don't know i think that [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► there's there's that somebody else [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► should talk about this you're going to [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► be talking about my dissertation if you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► let me talk too long [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► everyone jump in and save us from the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► terrible fate of you let you know we're [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► just going to edit that out you never [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► ask that question then so don't words [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► which is it will fix all this in post [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► Jason please [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► yeah well i think that i think certainly [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► you know that you know geek culture and [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► and general nerdery is more acceptable [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► now but i think that they're still [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► probably I'm not in high school now so [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► that's good but i also went to a super [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► geeky high school so I was surrounded by [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► giant nerds all everyone was a nerd so [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it wasn't and then the people who were [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► in what was called the simulated games [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► club because that's how nerdy are high [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► school was that I would like the top [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► not when I say top nerves that makes it [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► sound like we were running the place but [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► we were like the nerdiest of the Nerds [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► you have like the Crandall exactly but [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► not the good so I think there's just [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► something people don't really get [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that you go and sit around a table and [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► pretend to be an elf and roll dice and [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► things happen and but you're all [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► imagining it's like a shared story and I [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► think people still think that's very [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► strange [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► I think that's got actually hits the [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► nail on the head is and i said i was [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► going to talk about my dissertation but [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► I lied to you what it really comes down [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► to is where you divide the line between [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► reality and fantasy and and and that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► there's still that stereotype of people [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► who play a role playing games don't know [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► where to divide that line and I think [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► that we see a little bit more of people [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► feeling like I can come out of out of [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the out of the shadows and admit a [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► little bit that this is what I'm doing [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► in part because there's a little bit of [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► like sort of spillover acceptance of [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► things like world of warcraft in public [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► assistance spillover acceptance of [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► images video games in general what you [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► get people saying well i'm not even sure [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► that counts as nerdy anymore and so [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► forth to get people admitting to it but [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► they're still very much still a major [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► hierarchy among a gate geeks and gamers [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► and so on and so forth when you go and [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► you talked to like it like a DVD player [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► and you're just like so do you think [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► this is this is a geeky thing though you [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► know nine out of ten will tell you [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► yeah but at least a large I don't you [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► live action role playing and then you're [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► going to talk to a larper and they're [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► like yeah but at least I don't dress up [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► like a furry I mean I don't have to [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► dress up like an animal and then you [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► talk to the people who are the furries [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and they say yeah well let's bring this [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► back to the LARPers actually but I mean [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► what's interesting about that is that I [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► feel like there has been some it is made [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► its forays into the mainstream for [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► example and was just there was two weeks [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► ago there was an episode of the NBC [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► primetime sitcom community that was [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► entirely about dungeons and dragons in [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► which all the characters end up playing [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► this game of Dungeons and Dragons which [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► I mean kind of blew me away in the sense [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that if anyone would let somebody make a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► half an hour behind I'm show about [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► people playing D&D but it was kind of [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► nice to like to the you know they're [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► there it was fairly accurate every [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► public accurate [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► yeah i mean and i think that's that's [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► fascinating to me that that I think you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► know if we anybody remembers I mean when [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► we were growing up and we're [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► all around the same age we were growing [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► up there was a not just a stigma in [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► terms of not being cool but there is a [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► stigma in terms of this being like like [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► an evil thing to do without that writers [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► when my mother told my aunt that i was [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► playing dungeons dragons like huh [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► he's a devil worshiper in that they're [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► here worshiping Satan he's not playing a [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► game and my mother was like you're [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► insane [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► he is way too much of a nerd to worship [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► Satan there's a whole movie i believe [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► called cleverly mazes and mom yes i did [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► in which Tom Hanks actually is in it and [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► from the early eighties in which case [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► it's about like kids who get a little [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► too into their game of D&D and one of [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► them like mercury sometimes but it's [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► something I mean but this was this was [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► not uncommon people actually did think [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that there was like a satanic element to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► it which is kind of hilarious if you've [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► ever actually played D&D because nothing [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► could be farther from the truth is still [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► shows up on prime-time cop dramas and [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► police procedurals and stuff I mean yeah [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► every season you had get at least one or [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► two shows that are like oh and one [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► person took the game a little too [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► seriously [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► yeah bones comes to mind there's an [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► episode on that about somebody who is [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► into medieval weaponry poetry and cost [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► playing who you know kill somebody for [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► not appreciate it as much as him [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► now that's not good i couldnít rattle [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► off some more beauty editors this at [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► least one every season I i find that [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► kind of kind of fascinating that it is [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► it still has the second half so many [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► years but I feel like it the same way [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► there's there are probably a lot of sort [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► of closet I mean there are some [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► cosplayers there are some non closet [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► players i know Tony you're a big fan of [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► Vin Diesel who is loco isn't again but I [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► mean huge someone here I mean he gave a [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► great interview of once about talking [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► about his love of dnd yeah yeah he's [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► down with it until I mean I think you [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► got him I'm not gonna argue with them [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► are you going to do with it [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► no mr. diesel I would never argue with [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► but it's interesting to see people like [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► that you mean clearly that's a guy with [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► a a very an image that it's a very macho [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► image in many ways and yet he is very [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► you know outwardly confident in talking [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► about this as a hobby [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► and I think I see you see some of the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► same thing Jason was talking about the [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► bleed over from like World of Warcraft [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► is which is pretty mainstream and they [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► did a they didn't add series i believe [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► with several like three or four [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► celebrities who would each be talking [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► about their characters including I think [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► mr. t if i recall correctly replace it [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► but I think it's really relevant to your [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► mentioning celebrities here and I think [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► that you need to get to a certain level [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► of celebrity before you can admit to [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► this level of kinkiness to some extent i [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► mean like take samuel jackson samuel [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► jackson is kind of an interesting [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► example to just because there's all [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► kinds of race stereotypes tied up in [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► geeks and gaming and so on and so forth [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► but look how long it took in his career [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► of him making a name for himself before [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► he got to take the kind of roles that he [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► really wanted to take and suddenly i was [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► playing a computer hacker in Jurassic [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► Park it turns out he's a Jedi now you [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► know I mean adjust his roles just got [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► sort of nerdier a nerdier as he went [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► along you know but it takes a while [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► before you can get to that because [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► you're gonna need to establish your [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► Hollywood persona first and in terms of [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► the mainstream medicine in terms of came [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► back a little bit to the world of [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► warcraft thing I mean I've never play [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► World of Warcraft myself but I know I [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► don't playing people who do and and [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► oftentimes people who fall outside of [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the typical the stereotypes but I want [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► to talk about one thing in particular [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► which is the fourth edition of D&D which [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► I think we've all played a little bit [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► and which some people at which is both [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► been praised and criticized within the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► you know the role-playing games fear for [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► either being great because it opens up [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the the gaming aspect to lots of new [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► players coming in from places like World [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► of Warcraft and then of course there's [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► always the negative push back in terms [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► of people who claim that you know [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► oh it dumps it down and and takes away [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► all the good parts of it so i was [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► curious to know if any of it from those [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► who have played fourth edition and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► especially have also played previous [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► editions like how are your feelings [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► well i think i have an opinion that [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► people won't agree with well so I'll go [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► first [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► I could already with you whenever you're [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► going to say I agree yeah I mean I guess [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► I mean obviously games have wildly [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► different mechanics built into them and [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► I mean I know a lot of people will talk [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► about how great mechanic is a game or it [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► how lame a mechanic is another game but [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► to me I mean I don't feel like it's the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► social interactions and how the game is [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► Ron and who the other players are the [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► shapes the experience so much more than [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the mechanics and I mean the mechanics [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► are still part of that but I don't know [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► I especially given that a gamemaster can [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you know I think you can pick and choose [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► how you want to do stuff right [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► I think there's the there's the the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► tricky thing of looking at like your [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► rule book or dungeon master's guide and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► being like this is how I have to do [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► everything when really it's like this is [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► a way that you could do stuff you should [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► probably figure out what you want to [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► actually and and I think there's also [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► there's just there's there's a huge [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► element of like nostalgia for the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► pastimes of D&D systems how you have the [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► system suc- negative armor class [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► come on you have to figure out you have [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► to hit hired hit lower it make any sense [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► if they can figure out a way to remove [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► mass from Dungeons and Dragons i'm happy [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► i'm like not anti mouth but it's just [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► another thing i have to do while i'm [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► running a game like doing math in my [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► head i use it i have a piece of scrap [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► paper now so I can do it easier [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► well maybe I'll get a graphing [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► calculator eventually but if they can [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► invent invent dice too just like you [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► roll it and you get like a smiley face [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► or like a thumbs down [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► I'm good and it's not like the old [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► second edition a D&D books are going [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► anywhere I mean there's still there [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► there on your shelf you can probably [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► find more to use bookstore and if you [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► have all of them then I that's a lot of [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► books remember maybe you want to read [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► through them again you think it's like [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► you can actually run that game if you [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► were actually that kind of crazy a [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► nostalgic creep but no I want to argue [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► but I don't want to do is play Dungeons [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and Dragons second edition i want to [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► argue about this dragon for that isn't [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► on the internet I mean that's a valid [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► hobby too i don't have been arguing on [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► the internet is a time-honored cultural [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► tradition that I the world or blossom [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► honored [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► disagree so i guess the consensus is the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► fourth edition is great is the best [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► thing since sliced bread [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► I i love it and anyone who disagrees is [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► on the internet i mean i-i wouldn't jump [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► into sailing all I think fourth editions [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► a huge improvement but i will say that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► I've been I find it easier to play [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► against it i mean it maybe you could say [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► this dumb down it's more accessible [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► it's easier to play let me put it this [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► way if you were to say to me let's get [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► together a second edition game you know [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► for gags I would probably say I don't [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► know about that but yeah keep me posted [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to keep me in the loop and then when the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► night comes I'm washing my hair but you [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► know if if you say let's get together a [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► fourth edition game i might just play [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► just to have an excuse to hang out with [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► my friends kinda like Tony saying you [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► know but but wha [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► but i will say that i do think actually [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► that the mechanics of a game can make it [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► a lot more interesting and that's one of [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► the reasons why I'm not not really that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► interested in dnd anymore is that I like [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► playing games where I feel like the [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► central conceptual or thematic [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► connection to what we're doing out of [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► the game what we're doing in this story [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► you know that's one thing I really loved [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► about castle falken steam in this [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► setting where you know dice were [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► associated with criminals and vagabonds [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and so you would use playing cards [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► instead each suit represented a certain [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► type of action that you could take part [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and so there's always a sort of like [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► wonderful unexpected moment where you'd [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► be like oh you're in the situation you [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► can't get out of what will you do [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► and then someone will pull out the ace [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► of spades and turn out to be a social [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► master after all and i don't i don't [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► know why that matters to me more than [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► then being able to roll 20-sided dice I [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► guess I just the dice installed you [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► never really sunk in with me but but but [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► you can buy a pound of dice and you can [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► buy a pundit I i have bought a pound [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► nice i highly recommend one of the best [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► investments that made two out of the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► four of us up on Desperate so fifty [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► percent of the uncomfortable pie gasps [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► recommend you buy a pound of dice [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► immediately it is like 15 bucks [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► something and you will never buy dice [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► sure you would be a full not to buy a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► pound of us right now yeah a fool [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► yeah go to amazon if you know I don't [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► think there's any way i can profit off [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► this but now are we getting Commission [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► was gonna ask you a Jason the [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► commissioners people's happiness that's [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► right said ten percent of your happiness [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► toss it back i'm in well I will sit out [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► i will say that i have played every [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► major version of Dungeons and Dragons [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► and I would fourth edition is certainly [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the fastest and easiest to play I go out [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► so my current game we're playing fourth [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► edition and I'm actually running it and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► we can do like three or four encounters [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► in the span of three hours and in [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► previous editions you might have spent [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► three hours getting ready to play one [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► encounter because there are a lot of [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► rules to go through that is that is a [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► pretty mean that's that's sort of a [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► tangible difference in in that amount [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► you know one of the best parts of 4th [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► edition may have just been like how [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► crazy go nuts their marketing campaign [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► was such that got like lots of people [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► excited about it [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► I mean Mike my campaign running right [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► now really only exists because a bunch [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► of people who've never played Dungeons [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and Dragons you know saw and sporting [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► were like we should do this we should [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► make this happen to it because they you [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► know they put a ton of money into [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► advertising it everywhere i thought i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► taw commercial for it on hulu watching [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► that those are weird commercials they're [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► weird commercials and I SAT there [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► thinking like I saw that it starts in [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► this sort of like drawn on graph paper [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► look and I'm staring at it I'm going [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► is this a commercial for D&D now I can't [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► beat that be still it and then it keeps [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► going like this is that's like I'm [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► that's like a mind flayer is something [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► that's all that sweet has brought money [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► yeah I was gonna say this is going to be [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► as well which is the coast thing because [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► it came right on the tales of those [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► magic the gathering commercials didn't [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► their magic the gathering comer y [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► absolutely totally stopped watching TV [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► at the wrong time here for the right [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► time or the right I I vaguely remember [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► some kind of you know audience testing [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► commercial that involved her loom [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► Minotaur [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► wow that's a that's an entirely [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► different podcast which I will not be on [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► you can't just walk away now after [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► introducing me to magic i introduced to [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► the magic like 18 years ago yeah well [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the stand has never left me God that [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► number was way too high [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► I i want to know also if you guys had [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► any suggestions I think we have a lot of [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► listeners who are who are definitely [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► into you know things like science [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► fiction movies and books and stuff like [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► that but maybe fewer her interval [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► playing and so I was kind of curious if [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► you guys had any advice is quite the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► right word but like in enticement [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► coaxing like anything that might get [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► somebody who's kind of skeptical because [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► i think i think you know most of us can [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► agree that there's something fun about [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► role-playing games and I'm kind of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► curious as to how you might sway [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► somebody who is a little bit skeptical [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► or just unsure about giving it a try [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► I mean I think the trickiest thing about [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► role-playing games you need a group [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► that's kind of committed to meeting [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► regularly so maybe but rather than like [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► jumping right into trying to run a D&D [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► campaign you play some kind of board [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► game or something where it's it's kind [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► of a little bit lower threshold in terms [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► of a commitment we played briefly though [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► that the actual Dungeons and Dragons [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► castle ravenloft board game which you [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► know I wasn't super impressed with but [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► maybe that would be kind of a good segue [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► into seeing what is this like I gateway [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► drug the gateway drug yeah or even just [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► a one-time one-shot role-playing [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► adventure that yeah I think more than a [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► meeting and they have the FB if you're [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► crazy if you want if you're crazy if you [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► want to do touches the dragon if you're [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► its aid they came up with the the redbox [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► right which is kind of like a beginner's [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► dungeons and dragon has pre-rolled [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► characters and including makers and has [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► easier rules than even fourth edition so [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► you can just pick that up if you're [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► interested in in playing DD I mean the [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► trick is finding other people who are [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► also interested in playing rise the hard [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► part [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► I mean even if you wanted to jump to [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► playing D&D campaign wizards of the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► coast has released the first campaign [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► that they created for 4th edition keep [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► on the Shadowfell you can download that [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► is a free pdf there [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► website I mean role-playing games are [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► not super expensive as far as obvious go [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► but you can you get into this for [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► basically free if you want to try it out [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► before sinking your life-saving into [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► miniatures and back in a dry erase [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► markers and other other stuff you don't [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► really need and i think that's that's I [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► mean what's a lot like the house doing [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► this I don't know why it's kind of hard [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► to explain i'm especially considering [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that those stereotypes are still there [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► and when i try to explain what I enjoy [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► about it i'm very tempted to say things [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► that what will really tap into those [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► stereotypes and frankly we're talking [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► before about like when we got in like [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► role-playing games and such [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the first thought I had was into all the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► first time somebody Randy for me it was [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► when I was a little kid and playing with [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► my little brother with the kid down the [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► street and we pretended to be beating up [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► bad guys and going on adventures and [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► saving people and stuff because the that [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► part of like your sort of you know [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► childlike adventure brain it doesn't [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► mean it doesn't have to die you go and I [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► feel like it [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► it was the reason that we don't we stop [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► doing that to some extent is because we [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► know other people are watching us and if [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► there's a way that it can be engaged in [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► and you dress it up however you want a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► dress that's all we're doing it using [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► you know figures and math and so it's [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► much more complicated and intricate [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► technical map if that's what you got to [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► do they call it back sharp [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► personally I like to think of it in [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► terms of the width and the kind of role [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► players like to play too [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► I like to think it was geared toward [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► more like improvisational acting then [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► necessarily more like a war game I like [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► you know just putting on another role [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► for a lot like to think of it is is a [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► also sort of analogous to just telling a [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► story with a bunch of friends help which [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► is i mean i really liked writing i [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► really like storytelling and I feel like [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► you get together and it's potentially [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► free as Tony said and yet you're getting [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► a better story than what most Hollywood [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► movies are going to give you and you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► feel like you helped make that story [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► which is something that you know [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► computer role-playing games and video [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► game role-playing games can let you do [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► too but they're so restrictive compared [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► to what you can do with just [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► improvisational thinking among your [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► and such so that that's that's my why i [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► think i think i agree with that night I [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► really personally I love storytelling as [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► well and I do a lot of writing but you [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► know there's definitely a point where [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► you feel totally tapped out and writing [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► and you're staring at a blank screen [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► you're just frustrated that you can tell [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► stories does go fast enough or whatever [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► and so having that element of being able [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► to sit around with a bunch of friends [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► and tell that story and not having like [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► the feeling stymied in terms of like i [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► got i just can't think of what's going [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► to happen next like things sort of get [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► pushed along with or without you and you [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► have to adapt and and react and things [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► like that I find that really appealing [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► and I and I agree that there is a large [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► element of improvisational acting to the [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► role-playing elements of the game and so [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► you can sort of it's a nice mix between [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that and something that's just like a [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► board game which engages a different [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► part of your brain and makes you think [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► about strategy and tactics and you know [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► it's nice to be able to take a break [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► when you're playing D&D and maybe it's [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like all right you got like you know a [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► few minutes like rolling dice and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► thinking about numbers and lookin at [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► your sheet and everything and then you [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► know maybe you know 15 20 minutes of my [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► car now I'm going to like interact is [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► this character and there's a lot of [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► different parts of your brain that [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► getting engaged by that which I i really [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► enjoy [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► no but maybe that's because I'm a loser [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I don't think it's interesting that my [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► girlfriend i was i was trying to get a [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► sense of what people like about the game [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► that I i I've been running on and off [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► for the last several months and so I [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► asked you Tony what are you getting out [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► of standard you getting this is my [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► girlfriend when she gets out of that and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► she said I just like seeing you act [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► really funny and playing different [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► characters and so like she basically [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► just shows up because you know other [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► people she is his friends with are there [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► and one of them happens to be her [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► boyfriend you goofs off cool completely [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► so I feel like that social element is [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► such a central part of it too you know [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► yeah absolutely well one other question [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► asks or as we're wrapping up here is do [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► you guys have a favorite like a [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► memorable character or like a favorite [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► character that you've played at some [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► point in the past either from you know [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► like a story perspective or whatever it [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► just in terms of something you really [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► liked about them [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► I i do have a character I played this [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► character who was a drought help and if [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you're not familiar with the dungeons [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► and dragons setting brownells are evil [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► school can see it and then living for [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► dat paper dioramas they live underground [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and they have magical cities and they [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► worship spiders and it all makes sense [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► I play this so he was an archer who was [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► blind and chaotic evil and I i played [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► him for many years and through the [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► course it wasn't really is everything [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► characters and that's just kind of a [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► manifestation of yourself as well it's [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► true it's just it's the other part of me [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and at one point our party had a paladin [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► in it and if you don't know what [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► paladins are there are you know these [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► these exemplars of all that is good in [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the world and in fact they can detect [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► evil and if they find evil characters [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► generally they don't want to associate [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► with them so for whatever reason the [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► person playing the Paladin did not ever [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► do anything to me put my character [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► plotted to assassinate the paladin and i [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► did in fact kill the paladin and then [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► throughout the course of our adventure [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► we came across some treasure and the DM [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► kind of nonchalantly said oh and there [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► are many platinum bars which is what you [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► would take if you are an evil character [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► so I i had a bag of holding and I took [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► all of our platinum bars and I had so [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► much money that diem was like you have [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► to do something with all this money and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► you can't buy magic items so I built the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► castle and hired an army [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► I invited the rest of the characters to [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► come to my castle and i have my army [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► killed them [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► wow wow as do you still have friends [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► after that I well that was what i was [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► going to college so I was like a play [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► with you guys can I guess I'm gonna cut [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► those ties it all [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that's that's pretty mercenary there wow [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► yeah I got I got nothin like that I [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► don't want to follow I care my friends [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► it's really it's really holding me back [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► is a play wasn't going to let you scan [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► and i have to admit i don't i don't [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► think back to any character i ever [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► played is one that i found particularly [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► interesting or I mean you know i have [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► had fun playing but when you ask me like [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► my favorite character had a chance to [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► play was actually one of the non-player [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► characters for for the denominator that [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► we've been playing it and not really [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► because of what I did with it but [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► because of because of my players did [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► this character's name is and ross are [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► the nose look who I mean it's not [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► educate commonly known as Andy yeah and [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► I mean isn't that his name is not really [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► address our concerns he lives in West [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► Philadelphia and he would like to be a [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► wuss or someday and he was basically [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► just put into the game to be comic [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► relief as you know this this perfectly [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► mundane human who is constantly hanging [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► around haranguing the player characters [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► trying to get them to take them along [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► adventures and stuff it would definitely [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► be detrimental to his health and just [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► constantly just being underfoot and it [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► just wanted to put them in there [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► basically that to have a laugh and maybe [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► to get him killed eventually instead as [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► a sort of hollow-point boiler is 100 [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► but that's that's not what happened the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► the day that he was going to potentially [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► get killed [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► what it is is kind of what i actually [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► started liking him as a character [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► because um one of the players basically [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► i'm shocked him into fainting and said [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► essentially you know this is what this [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► is really David here's a decapitated had [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► this problem this is really dangerous [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► what were involved with its you should [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► you should really get away but if you're [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► really committed to helping us then just [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► be aware of what this we're getting [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► involved with and putting it in that [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► didn't actually occur to me that he [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► would be invited in [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► in that way and that's what he had been [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► looking for so I was just kind of like [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► all right I guess he'll take it and he [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► ended up actually growing as a character [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► which is something i never actually been [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► intended for him and so I guess I like [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► that character as someone who sort of [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► represents that sort of collaborative [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► aspect of storytelling that like if it [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► hadn't been for what my players were [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► doing then things would have taken a [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► completely different completely [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► different turn it is just an idea I mean [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► he's still gonna be around for comic [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► relief but you know probably won't kill [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► me but that is really i mean but it's [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► cool to have somebody developing I i [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► think very similarly about like TV shows [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► i like where you know you start with a [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► character who might be a little bit [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► off-putting or sort of comic and then [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► and then develop surprising depth depth [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► or to have visitors if it's bad I can't [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► talk to make their but you know I think [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► it's their bodies a great example of [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► many of there are a lot of characters [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► you start off as kind of annoying comic [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► relief characters who also who actually [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► develop these really you know other in [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► you know other sides of their characters [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► that really show off the dramatic angles [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► whenever somebody it's cool when that [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► happens in a game that's sort of [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► improvisational don't need you have a [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► digital with characters give enough time [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► I you know maybe Mike the characters and [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► player this are just not there to to [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► one-dimensional my cuz i tend to [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► remember the stories to take place in [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► the adventure more than my characters [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Tom I don't know it's kind of amusing [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► when you play guess maybe I maybe [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► there's a little Scott McNulty and all [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► of us when you play [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► everything is antagonistic toward toward [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► the group I mean there's a game of dread [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► where I would play the like basically [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► drug-addicted doctor who you know how [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► yeah and I i played him as a [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► drug-addicted doctor he wasn't very [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► reliable he had issues he had a bookie [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► loan money to let you know other players [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► found that frustrating and get in the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► gate one of the games of a nominated [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► play-by-play uh an angel who was [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► basically like the NARC of angels and he [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► wants it was his job to go around like [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► make sure the other angels were like you [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► know keeping it clean and not swearing [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► and stuff and one of the other hairs [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► would like want to murder people all the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► time and they would like you like shake [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► his head and he'd get really pissed off [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► so that's basically like buying a castle [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► and hiring an army to have all your [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► friends killed he trips up to step down [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► but yeah close you could work up to it [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► but I mean I and I guess perhaps and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► perhaps it's unfortunate but it's it's [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► fun to play a character that other [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► players react to a little bit though [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► perhaps it doesn't always have to be in [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► kind of a obstacle antagonistic kind of [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► way because I I'm you know their games i [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► played with other people wear when [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► somebody creates a character that [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► becomes like a bigger problem that [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► whatever the problem you're trying to [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► solve is that can be a little [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► frustrating but yeah I think it's kind [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► of it's fun for me when that happens [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► recognize a little here or if it's a DM [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► because we're playing is so much about [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► cooperating [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► yes whenever you have something or [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► someone a character that doesn't [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► cooperate and kind of breaks that kind [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► of trope it makes it a little more [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► interesting for me and probably [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► frustrating for everyone else but just I [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► find it interesting the one of the more [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► frustrating experiences in my ill-fated [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► vampire the masquerade games one of the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► characters it what the other players [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► playing a character like his thing would [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that he would he would go into like a [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► murderous rage and kill lots of people [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► and then like come out of it and not [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► remember anything like we spent three [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► games s in a room where all we were [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► doing was hiding bodies of people that [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► this guy get killed [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► likely we like I mean there was like an [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► ongoing mission that we were supposed to [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► be addressing but no words we're busy [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► like cleaning up after this guy all the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► time it's like you know you had three [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► bodies and it loses a little charm i [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► think that is and three Bob and [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► everything especially you know the [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► player would sit there smugly like [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► laughing at all of us as we you know [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► scrambled to clean up the chaos has [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► created I'm just saying you kill [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► somebody you don't pitch it on on how [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► your body what kind of vampire are you [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and but at least that makes a good story [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► I think I'm more and more inclined to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► forgive the player who's being a jerk [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► for the sake of making things [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► then forgive the player who is [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► completely unintentional ed railing the [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► game by obsessing over rules [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► I I mean Rose lawyers is my least [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► favorite form of person [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► Hitler was in ruins lawyer oh wow [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► Godwin's law Oh understand this week I [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► mean we had we had we had a player in [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► this denominator game good dear dear [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► friend of mine who's no longer allowed [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► to play no longer allowed to play the [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► kind of angel who possesses people [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► because our meetings became this sort of [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► tedium of hierarchy so I've got two [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► pigeons and I've got this guy's a drug [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► dealer but it's in my nature to leave [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► him in better shape than I found him and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► so dan you gotta give me fifty bucks as [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► if the guy had a good day selling drugs [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► because I'm yeah let's talk about what [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► it's like to live life as a drug dealer [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► power my pigeons doing remember exactly [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► and so that this is what are this is [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► what our adventure became was taking [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► care of pigeons and drug dealers that [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► was that was definitely not what I [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► signed up for when i signed up to be an [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► angel [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► yeah i was gonna cheat a little bit for [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► mine which is that this is a character I [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► played in an online game a role-playing [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► game home which was a star wars base now [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► even when I totally get yeah I got Scott [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► really riled up over there wasn't an [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► Ewok it was not any you are sadly no you [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► see keeps the sort of a smuggler [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► mercenary type of courses helped a but [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it-it-it yes everyone's laughing because [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► I play I template syntax characters [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► I'm very unoriginal and so in this [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► particular character head [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► signed up to help a a Imperial Admiral [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► defect in the game and he managed to you [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► know get this guy out and you know that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► life was going fine until one day when [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► he was walking down the street and got [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► into a sort of discussion with this [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► someone else and then destroyed started [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► suspiciously coming over so being the [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► suspicious type II shot the droid which [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► turned out to be full of explosives and [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► actually died and i was i was very sad [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► that he died and i could not believe [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► that i had actually had a character [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► totally just killed in front of my eyes [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► and it was it was a pretty pretty moving [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► experience for me I said to your [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► character deaths and be as the person [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► who has caused many of them can be [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► traumatic experience especially in a [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► game system where resurrection is not [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► nor it's not like wow he's dead but [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► there's enough pieces of them left we [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► can hold him back to the healer [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► yeah i mean it can be very permanently [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► you know and and when you spend a lot of [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► time invested a lot of time in building [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► a character that then you know through [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► for whatever reason he just doesn't make [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► it out i think you know it can be very [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► it can be very affecting if anybody's [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► listen to the the penny arcade podcast [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► yeah which they do a role-playing game [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► one of the one of the main characters [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► dies after being trapped in a pool of [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► Ascension acid it's very set worst kind [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► of acid and he's very angry he didn't [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► feel he was angry [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah well you know that that's [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► definitely you invest a lot of time and [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► and and emotion in building your [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► character and turning him into a real [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► fleshed-out person and then you throw it [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► all away by walking into ascension acid [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► i think there's something we can all [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► learn that stay away from Santa [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► desiccants what we've got to the PSA [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► fortunate that you use the buddy system [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► for goodness sake don't split the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► parties yeah really [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► I i will say in New the words of [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► Scotland healthy this podcast is over or [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► more or less over [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► well we we we have pretty much reached [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► the end of our allotted hour so I want [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► to thank you guys all for joining me and [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► being willing to talk about dungeons [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► dragons [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► yes yes I'm going to be distorting your [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► voices and changing your name soon [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► he actually knows who you are thank you [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► Tony your work anytime thanks Jason [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► tossing thank you for someone in need [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► and of course Scott mcafee thank you and [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► we'll see you next time [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► that I [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► the other ducks on campaign that I [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► played [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► once again showing my twisted nature I [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► had all my players they're very excited [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► because this isn't dark sun second [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► edition first came out it was like [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► nothing in that that I guess tsr at the [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► time had ever done before so we're all [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► very excited spent hours making of [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► characters and giving equipment and at [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► that in the first edition [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► well the second edition dark sun you [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► start off in third level because it was [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► so difficult yep so they they spent like [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► hours creating characters and coming up [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► with the perfect equipment and I said [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► okay started the adventure [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► they were all you know whatever doing [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► something in the city and I said you're [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► captured by slavers and they take all [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► the stuff that happens you Scott [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► it was awesome [TS]