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00:00:05   [Music] [TS]

00:00:08   the incomparable podcast number 30 marks [TS]

00:00:15   we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:17   this is jason cell i remember fondly [TS]

00:00:20   growing up watching the original Star [TS]

00:00:23   Trek every single night and but this is [TS]

00:00:27   not a podcast about Captain Kirk mr. [TS]

00:00:29   Spock it is instead about in some ways [TS]

00:00:32   the most successful Star Trek TV series [TS]

00:00:35   from the late eighties and early [TS]

00:00:38   nineties when I was in high school and [TS]

00:00:41   colleges Star Trek The Next Generation a [TS]

00:00:43   show that that really existed at a time [TS]

00:00:46   when there wasn't a lot of sci-fi on TV [TS]

00:00:48   it was one of the first popular [TS]

00:00:50   syndicated drama series it's sort of [TS]

00:00:53   broken new ground there and became [TS]

00:00:55   extremely popular at a time when there [TS]

00:00:59   were a lot of us I shows on TV at all so [TS]

00:01:01   I think it kind of gets lost when we [TS]

00:01:04   look back because there's such a glut of [TS]

00:01:05   sci-fi on TV now and for the last decade [TS]

00:01:07   and I think people don't necessarily [TS]

00:01:09   think about the next generation so we're [TS]

00:01:11   going to talk about it so it's a little [TS]

00:01:13   bit of a retro incomparable classic or [TS]

00:01:16   as my wife said before we begin [TS]

00:01:17   recording this podcast oh you're being [TS]

00:01:19   timely yes so joining me here to talk [TS]

00:01:22   about to talk about the ladies in the [TS]

00:01:25   early nineties i have a delightful [TS]

00:01:28   collection of guests joining me [TS]

00:01:30   Lisa Schmeisser is here hi Lisa hi also [TS]

00:01:34   joining us Dan Moore and Dan hello hi [TS]

00:01:36   Jason are you great glen fleischmann [TS]

00:01:40   hello there hello and Scott McNulty [TS]

00:01:43   hello hello so so so next generation I [TS]

00:01:49   guess what i want to start with his way [TS]

00:01:50   what you guys were doing when you [TS]

00:01:53   started watching Star Trek The Next [TS]

00:01:55   Generation did you watch it when it was [TS]

00:01:57   first on we in high school or college or [TS]

00:01:59   something like that [TS]

00:02:01   my oldest person on the podcast out i'm [TS]

00:02:04   43 my the oldest yes I win you will haha [TS]

00:02:08   i watch to college with undergrads and [TS]

00:02:12   everyone hated the first season but we [TS]

00:02:14   still made it through and watch that we [TS]

00:02:16   were so desperate for entertainment [TS]

00:02:17   those days before the computers i [TS]

00:02:19   watched in nursery school haha [TS]

00:02:22   they said you're in high school right [TS]

00:02:24   yeah i started i started watching high [TS]

00:02:27   school my dad I had watched the original [TS]

00:02:28   series or sent the reruns of the [TS]

00:02:31   original series so i started watching [TS]

00:02:32   high school I didn't watch TV in college [TS]

00:02:35   because I went through a kill your TV [TS]

00:02:36   phase and then I resumed watching it [TS]

00:02:39   right as it ended once i was a graduate [TS]

00:02:41   school so alright that is that is my [TS]

00:02:45   briefs to and what about you Scott i [TS]

00:02:49   started watching it in grammar school [TS]

00:02:50   and then I watched throughout my high [TS]

00:02:52   school you see this really seriously [TS]

00:02:54   yeah how young are you [TS]

00:02:58   oh no really I I am 34 [TS]

00:03:01   wow you're a youngster grammar grammar [TS]

00:03:03   school [TS]

00:03:04   how did your mother so you can step to [TS]

00:03:06   record this podcast fellow and Danny's [TS]

00:03:11   younger than I am [TS]

00:03:12   dad was watching it in diapers and did [TS]

00:03:14   you watch Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:03:16   when it was initially on or did you [TS]

00:03:17   bought passage by is that does not [TS]

00:03:19   explain your bitterness and hostility [TS]

00:03:20   toward your hatred for Jean Luc Picard I [TS]

00:03:23   he's French that says enough for me [TS]

00:03:26   oh alright guys i'm at the English kind [TS]

00:03:29   of French he is very is very English [TS]

00:03:32   French i came i think it'd be later [TS]

00:03:35   seasons were still airing and it went [TS]

00:03:38   off the air in 94 anymore [TS]

00:03:40   yeah i was so I watched the last few [TS]

00:03:42   years i think um maybe seasons five [TS]

00:03:45   through seven or so pretty regularly but [TS]

00:03:48   I be local station in my area set in [TS]

00:03:50   syndication so it was on like everything [TS]

00:03:52   every weeknight and so i think when i [TS]

00:03:55   stumbled upon it when I which again was [TS]

00:03:56   probably in 10 maybe something like [TS]

00:03:59   1990-91 because my cousin showed me some [TS]

00:04:02   episodes and it seems a huge star trek [TS]

00:04:04   and I think I sort of started watching [TS]

00:04:07   all the syndication episodes then and [TS]

00:04:09   then later put in you know start [TS]

00:04:12   watching it was on the air so you're six [TS]

00:04:14   years old when it first season aired all [TS]

00:04:17   87 sick [TS]

00:04:19   yeah okay I wouldn't seven so alongside [TS]

00:04:22   haha i was i was saying this to somebody [TS]

00:04:26   the other week I I for me the next [TS]

00:04:28   generation the seven years that was on [TS]

00:04:30   brackets i think one of the most notable [TS]

00:04:32   periods in my life because it premiered [TS]

00:04:35   when I was a senior in high school [TS]

00:04:37   and it went off the air when I in the [TS]

00:04:40   spring of 94 where I was living with my [TS]

00:04:43   future wife in berkeley finishing I was [TS]

00:04:47   actually just graduated from grad school [TS]

00:04:49   and was working at my first full-time [TS]

00:04:52   job so i went from being a kid in high [TS]

00:04:54   school to being basically an adult over [TS]

00:04:56   those seven years that Captain Picard [TS]

00:04:58   and Rikers beard were out there solving [TS]

00:05:00   interstellar crimes [TS]

00:05:03   that's a much better coming-of-age TV [TS]

00:05:05   series know when I associate with that [TS]

00:05:06   period for me which was Beverly Hills [TS]

00:05:08   90210 right which is itself had its own [TS]

00:05:12   next generation later yeah I will watch [TS]

00:05:15   that that's just terrible and I didn't [TS]

00:05:17   like a Love Boat the next generation [TS]

00:05:19   also the next game Robert Urich Robert [TS]

00:05:21   your that's right it was the next wave [TS]

00:05:23   just wave so so I you know we could talk [TS]

00:05:27   we go to a lot of different directions [TS]

00:05:28   here I thought it was interesting as we [TS]

00:05:30   were about to press the record button [TS]

00:05:32   button somebody mentioned the season one [TS]

00:05:35   was was terrible I i guess one of the [TS]

00:05:37   interesting things about the next [TS]

00:05:39   generation is that when it started out [TS]

00:05:40   Gene Roddenberry was very much in [TS]

00:05:43   control it was also the they hadn't they [TS]

00:05:45   really didn't know what they were gonna [TS]

00:05:46   do it was a new thing [TS]

00:05:48   how are they going to build it that they [TS]

00:05:49   you know it was this non-network [TS]

00:05:51   syndicated show they did 26 episodes a [TS]

00:05:54   year which is actually a lot now but but [TS]

00:05:57   they needed them because that was half [TS]

00:05:59   of a year's worth and so they could do [TS]

00:06:01   they could fill a year with 26 new ones [TS]

00:06:03   and then 26 repeats so you know that [TS]

00:06:06   first year I remember at the time [TS]

00:06:08   thinking hey this is pretty good and I [TS]

00:06:10   and then I realized like a couple years [TS]

00:06:11   later [TS]

00:06:12   oh no it was terrible now and we just [TS]

00:06:15   watch the season i watched the season [TS]

00:06:17   one finale the neutral zone which is one [TS]

00:06:20   of the better episodes of that year was [TS]

00:06:21   about to say is you can totally tell [TS]

00:06:23   it's a writ that Gene Roddenberry is [TS]

00:06:25   still very much in charge because the [TS]

00:06:27   whole premise of the episode is that the [TS]

00:06:31   enterprise runs across three people from [TS]

00:06:32   the 20th century who have been [TS]

00:06:33   cryogenically excuse me cryonically [TS]

00:06:35   frozen and they thought them out and the [TS]

00:06:39   entire episode is about these people and [TS]

00:06:41   how awful they are you know all the what [TS]

00:06:43   do you mean you guys don't watch TV in [TS]

00:06:45   the future what do you mean there's no [TS]

00:06:46   money in the future and why don't you [TS]

00:06:48   guys take drugs and partying rock and [TS]

00:06:50   roll and and [TS]

00:06:51   and picard and the rest of the crew [TS]

00:06:53   walkthrough with you sanctimonious [TS]

00:06:54   expressions that will you see we now [TS]

00:06:56   have these greater purposes we're [TS]

00:06:57   dedicated to exploration and bettering [TS]

00:06:59   ourselves and elevating the [TS]

00:07:01   understanding of the world around us and [TS]

00:07:04   that the fact that there was this diet [TS]

00:07:05   that the fact that well your petty [TS]

00:07:07   concerns like currency and entertainment [TS]

00:07:10   free time and I thought yeah this is [TS]

00:07:11   this is the typical that this is the [TS]

00:07:13   stuff that I think kind of hampers the [TS]

00:07:16   star trek universe because right when [TS]

00:07:18   when running was in charge she basically [TS]

00:07:20   said you can see how the babies with her [TS]

00:07:22   friend would be great man if people [TS]

00:07:23   didn't have religion and money and Lord [TS]

00:07:25   Brahma have the end and he tried to be [TS]

00:07:28   no sin to to the next generation and it [TS]

00:07:33   just died i think it actually really [TS]

00:07:35   limits the storytelling because if you [TS]

00:07:37   are going to have an entity that is [TS]

00:07:38   large enough to keep flinging you you [TS]

00:07:40   know vast crews of people into space [TS]

00:07:42   we're perpetually getting lost or killed [TS]

00:07:44   you're going to have to have a culture [TS]

00:07:46   that's based on some some when [TS]

00:07:48   allocating resources efficiently and [TS]

00:07:50   unfortunately my market with currencies [TS]

00:07:52   a good way to do that and incident as [TS]

00:07:54   well we're all going to band together [TS]

00:07:55   and go answer questions because that's [TS]

00:07:58   what enlightened people do and and have [TS]

00:08:00   you ever really looked at your hands [TS]

00:08:01   before and it's in many ways the show I [TS]

00:08:05   think only really got good when [TS]

00:08:07   Roddenberry took a step back and the [TS]

00:08:11   liquor they turned over the creative I [TS]

00:08:12   mean it's not that the people who were [TS]

00:08:14   on the show the first year or two or bad [TS]

00:08:16   because actually there's some really [TS]

00:08:17   town people including some of the [TS]

00:08:18   original Star Trek writers I think it's [TS]

00:08:20   just a heavy hand Roddenberry just [TS]

00:08:22   killed a lot of something lots of [TS]

00:08:23   stories about him saying no we can't [TS]

00:08:25   have conflict you know the people need [TS]

00:08:26   to be perfect and that goes back to the [TS]

00:08:28   original star trek into the same way you [TS]

00:08:30   know Harlan Ellison stories yet had a [TS]

00:08:32   hot like drama i know on phone oh it [TS]

00:08:35   yeah it's and you can see especially in [TS]

00:08:37   that first season that there there it's [TS]

00:08:38   very difficult there and there is no [TS]

00:08:40   it's a happy crew and there's not a lot [TS]

00:08:42   of internal conflict and I do think [TS]

00:08:44   that's actually one of the reasons my [TS]

00:08:46   favorite episode from that first year is [TS]

00:08:48   the big goodbye which is a holodeck [TS]

00:08:49   episode [TS]

00:08:50   yeah you know the fact is it was it was [TS]

00:08:52   like the escape because they could say [TS]

00:08:54   well it's Picard in a detective noir and [TS]

00:08:59   it's the trappings of drama but it's all [TS]

00:09:03   ok because it's just pretend [TS]

00:09:04   and that was their escape and I point [TS]

00:09:07   out written by mel torme son crazy Torme [TS]

00:09:09   who went on to create sliders by the way [TS]

00:09:11   so that's just another fine [TS]

00:09:14   science-fiction series that will be the [TS]

00:09:16   next podcasts like a lot lighter tell me [TS]

00:09:19   another cat lighters by guess Josh [TS]

00:09:21   Malina had a guest on sliders I guess we [TS]

00:09:23   have to talk about and and it's the [TS]

00:09:25   freaking out and breathe in alloy yeah [TS]

00:09:27   yeah it's terrible things to her [TS]

00:09:29   characters on splatters I really hate [TS]

00:09:31   the way they ended it when I can't [TS]

00:09:32   believe we're talking about slept ok so [TS]

00:09:34   episodes have it so the thing is i was [TS]

00:09:36   reviewing the episode list for season [TS]

00:09:37   one and I realized I think of it as a [TS]

00:09:39   like an extra couple season the [TS]

00:09:41   lieutenant yar is captured by evil black [TS]

00:09:43   people episode that was my favorite won [TS]

00:09:47   the West leads Wesley steps on the [TS]

00:09:50   flower is condemned yeah so don't worry [TS]

00:09:53   about what's don't forget the the [TS]

00:09:55   bizarre introduction of the Ferengi who [TS]

00:09:57   are who are totally unlike anything that [TS]

00:09:59   they go on to be definite the bizarre [TS]

00:10:00   introduction of the type of deanna trees [TS]

00:10:02   hairstyles i just have every she was so [TS]

00:10:05   poorly [TS]

00:10:05   not that I'm a huge tour defender but [TS]

00:10:07   she was so poorly served at first season [TS]

00:10:09   because they just putting these [TS]

00:10:10   escalating ridiculous outfits and her [TS]

00:10:13   job was to come in and say something [TS]

00:10:15   blindingly obvious then blocked off [TS]

00:10:17   screen again and I sense hostility [TS]

00:10:20   I sense great joy and happiness I sense [TS]

00:10:23   he's hiding something [TS]

00:10:25   he's looking for validation captain [TS]

00:10:27   can't you understand what he insist on [TS]

00:10:29   standard the first season though when [TS]

00:10:32   you look through the episode list and [TS]

00:10:33   I'd forgotten this it did actually set a [TS]

00:10:35   lot of the plot elements for all the [TS]

00:10:37   ones that followed like there we had [TS]

00:10:38   really like a lot of the most [TS]

00:10:39   interesting stuff that happened like wil [TS]

00:10:40   Wheaton's character Wesley Crusher who [TS]

00:10:43   is so you know x coordinate will witness [TS]

00:10:45   the is the greatest geek in the world [TS]

00:10:46   today and service created in his time [TS]

00:10:48   and they're all these terrible episode [TS]

00:10:50   with him in which he had a i'll be so [TS]

00:10:52   cringy awful but it set the stage for [TS]

00:10:54   his character being his being the next [TS]

00:10:57   evolution of man accuses the very first [TS]

00:11:00   episode and comes back the hope that [TS]

00:11:03   they're making homemade better things [TS]

00:11:05   out of some of that style but it was [TS]

00:11:07   years datas long-lost brother the other [TS]

00:11:09   robot lower appear or [TS]

00:11:11   yes the was a crystalline entity the but [TS]

00:11:14   I mean a lot of stuff you can wear the [TS]

00:11:16   killer snowflake you mean your snowflake [TS]

00:11:17   and at least they killed Tasha Yar it's [TS]

00:11:21   like what can you make with your cgi [TS]

00:11:22   systems we could make a really [TS]

00:11:23   good-looking snowflake then let you make [TS]

00:11:26   it so that's what is evil make it a [TS]

00:11:28   murderous snowflake [TS]

00:11:30   ah laksana Troy good character that [TS]

00:11:34   locks on the train well one of my [TS]

00:11:35   favorite episodes menasha try precisely [TS]

00:11:37   because Roxanna Roxanna takes it was a [TS]

00:11:40   great title for one thing [TS]

00:11:42   yeah yeah roxanna's fantastic especially [TS]

00:11:44   and their nose that wonderful scene at [TS]

00:11:46   the end where you know they find them to [TS]

00:11:48   convey to Picard that the way to get get [TS]

00:11:49   her back from the frankie is if the the [TS]

00:11:51   the Frank you think they're about to get [TS]

00:11:52   killed and Picard breaks out the [TS]

00:11:54   shakespeare and just goes to town and I [TS]

00:11:58   it all it's just it's a fantastically [TS]

00:12:00   communicate was brought up the Ferengi a [TS]

00:12:01   couple of times I think that I to get [TS]

00:12:03   back to something that I think dan may [TS]

00:12:05   be mentioned in the introduction of the [TS]

00:12:06   frig is fascinating because at the time [TS]

00:12:07   that the Frankie were meant to be the [TS]

00:12:10   Klingons of the new series they were [TS]

00:12:11   going to be the recurring villain and [TS]

00:12:13   after one episode they realize there was [TS]

00:12:16   no way they could do it because they [TS]

00:12:18   were ridiculous i'm just amazed the ADL [TS]

00:12:21   didn't let go after the show because the [TS]

00:12:22   dome is God [TS]

00:12:24   yeah it's no it'sit's you know Phil is [TS]

00:12:28   not a sci-fi personal and he wandered in [TS]

00:12:30   when i was in the middle of my next [TS]

00:12:32   generation marathon watching during [TS]

00:12:33   maternity is your husband [TS]

00:12:35   yes and he's like so the Ferengi are the [TS]

00:12:37   Jews of the Starfleet right i remember [TS]

00:12:40   first watching and being just appalled [TS]

00:12:42   like every Jewish stereotype like [TS]

00:12:45   because there's no Jewish writers in [TS]

00:12:46   Hollywood of course they never found [TS]

00:12:47   this gotta be Jewish stereotype is [TS]

00:12:50   trying to become not just facial [TS]

00:12:51   features over there avaricious they're [TS]

00:12:53   like slavery after the pretty women and [TS]

00:12:55   they had this like they have these [TS]

00:12:57   strict orthodoxies and they've got the [TS]

00:12:59   reform Ferengi and if it's just I don't [TS]

00:13:01   know I always enjoyed their development [TS]

00:13:03   and later in later seasons in series [TS]

00:13:05   especially benefit space nitride-based [TS]

00:13:06   I'm very differently [TS]

00:13:08   I have so much more depth there and [TS]

00:13:10   onions yeah Andy space-time because by [TS]

00:13:12   that point you've got them going to just [TS]

00:13:14   to Starfleet Academy and get you through [TS]

00:13:16   they've turned them into one more than a [TS]

00:13:18   more fully formed races at work but in [TS]

00:13:21   with the next generation its i can get [TS]

00:13:23   it for you wholesale dilithium rods and [TS]

00:13:25   you just hold deep space nine there was [TS]

00:13:28   a Ferengi a main Frankie character so [TS]

00:13:30   there were no you know I next-generation [TS]

00:13:32   there were not many [TS]

00:13:33   well I mean so in deep space nine did [TS]

00:13:36   with the Ferengi what next generation [TS]

00:13:37   did with the Klingons right like going [TS]

00:13:39   on the verge of strategies in the [TS]

00:13:40   original Star Trek series mtng you know [TS]

00:13:43   you put a Klingon the bridge [TS]

00:13:44   automatically you know [TS]

00:13:45   wow this is not like the show that we [TS]

00:13:47   used to watch and the Klingons become [TS]

00:13:50   hugely rich culture and I think you know [TS]

00:13:52   those are some of the episodes that i [TS]

00:13:53   enjoy i guess like you know looking back [TS]

00:13:56   on it where some of the ones where you [TS]

00:13:57   sort of delve into that culture and [TS]

00:14:00   especially Worf Worf is one of my [TS]

00:14:01   characters who develops the most in the [TS]

00:14:03   course of the series right and then [TS]

00:14:05   moves on to deep space 9 i'll write more [TS]

00:14:07   and more who went on to make a name for [TS]

00:14:08   himself doing battlestar galactica that [TS]

00:14:10   was how he basically I mean he his spec [TS]

00:14:14   script that got him higher was not a [TS]

00:14:15   Klingon episode but his first I think [TS]

00:14:17   script after that and then thereafter he [TS]

00:14:19   became the go-to guy for the Klingons [TS]

00:14:21   and really did make a potentially kind [TS]

00:14:24   of stock villainous rates you know other [TS]

00:14:28   than wharf and really kind of started to [TS]

00:14:30   flesh them out through wharf and also [TS]

00:14:32   through his interaction with the others [TS]

00:14:33   and that was when I started noticing his [TS]

00:14:36   name in the credits was like Ron Moore [TS]

00:14:38   he's the Klingon guy he any degree he [TS]

00:14:40   just ripped off a bunch of great [TS]

00:14:41   episodes I think starting in the third [TS]

00:14:42   season [TS]

00:14:43   yes sins of the father wharfe goes to [TS]

00:14:46   prove his father's innocence yeah yes I [TS]

00:14:47   really got it [TS]

00:14:48   they stretch that out of a couple that [TS]

00:14:50   was a great source of dramatic tension [TS]

00:14:52   and well it was one of the few things [TS]

00:14:54   where they did that it affected [TS]

00:14:55   everything that Wharf is one of the few [TS]

00:14:56   things that has a lasting impact over [TS]

00:14:58   the course of the series which a lot of [TS]

00:15:01   things don't I also a big fan of Zeno [TS]

00:15:03   law so getting to see the Klingon law [TS]

00:15:05   system was really important to me [TS]

00:15:07   yeah that's good go ahead well who [TS]

00:15:09   doesn't who doesn't see it a lot in Star [TS]

00:15:12   Trek six the Klingon lawyer who defends [TS]

00:15:14   Captain Kirk Earl Warren is it work [TS]

00:15:17   that played by Michael this is his [TS]

00:15:18   grandfather as I recall that's right [TS]

00:15:20   yes yes yes indeed so now bat backing up [TS]

00:15:24   a little bit that one of the things [TS]

00:15:25   about the second season of on to the [TS]

00:15:28   next generation [TS]

00:15:29   yes so so so there's a fired Beverly [TS]

00:15:32   Crusher because gene roddenberry didn't [TS]

00:15:34   like her I don't even know why because [TS]

00:15:35   she was like totally hot and I I'll [TS]

00:15:39   second that x fill the third that for [TS]

00:15:42   you every time dr. every doctor doctor [TS]

00:15:44   that's correct sounds great way they [TS]

00:15:45   replace her with Diana mold are as dr. [TS]

00:15:48   plasma down mold or good actress she was [TS]

00:15:50   she was in LA Law she was actually the [TS]

00:15:52   original Star Trek and she was actually [TS]

00:15:55   kind of a hottie when she was in the [TS]

00:15:56   original star trek xi and Captain Kirk [TS]

00:15:58   had a little thing going on as did every [TS]

00:16:00   male or female character on the realest [TS]

00:16:02   Roderick and so there's that meant and [TS]

00:16:06   what from the the backstory perspective [TS]

00:16:08   season two [TS]

00:16:10   there was a writer strike and and the [TS]

00:16:13   show didn't get on the air for like [TS]

00:16:14   three months and when it did they were [TS]

00:16:16   these episodes that had at were [TS]

00:16:17   literally dusted off [TS]

00:16:19   I mean there was dust on them they were [TS]

00:16:21   they were scripts for the star trek [TS]

00:16:24   phase two series which was going to be [TS]

00:16:26   in which they didn't do instead of doing [TS]

00:16:28   Star Trek the motion picture and other [TS]

00:16:30   when they were so much so terrible so [TS]

00:16:32   that that season was like this entering [TS]

00:16:34   interesting thing where they were really [TS]

00:16:35   trying to get their bearings it was much [TS]

00:16:37   better than the first season but it's [TS]

00:16:39   very hard to to really say that next [TS]

00:16:42   generation came into its own until if [TS]

00:16:44   its third year which is kind of amazing [TS]

00:16:46   it's you know that they were they were a [TS]

00:16:48   good 50 episodes in before they really [TS]

00:16:51   figured it out that would never happen [TS]

00:16:53   today [TS]

00:16:54   no will never happen to have never [TS]

00:16:56   pulled this one out yet no show would [TS]

00:16:57   get on there long enough what you think [TS]

00:16:59   about it for me it was when they did the [TS]

00:17:02   episode q Who which introduced the board [TS]

00:17:05   which is basically q appearing and [TS]

00:17:07   saying you guys are far too comfortable [TS]

00:17:09   i'm going to screw this up for you [TS]

00:17:10   here's the board they're really scary [TS]

00:17:12   and now they know about you and they're [TS]

00:17:13   gonna come and get you by and for me [TS]

00:17:15   that was like the moment was like all [TS]

00:17:17   right now we got something and that that [TS]

00:17:19   really was what turned it around [TS]

00:17:21   another great episode from that season [TS]

00:17:23   was was actually a spec script which was [TS]

00:17:25   Melinda Snodgrass's a sci-fi writer [TS]

00:17:28   wrote this episode called the measure of [TS]

00:17:30   a man [TS]

00:17:30   which had no budget because they were [TS]

00:17:31   like it was all standing sets and it was [TS]

00:17:33   speaking of Zeno why was a courtroom [TS]

00:17:35   drama about whether data was about a [TS]

00:17:37   sentient being or not which is a great [TS]

00:17:39   episode [TS]

00:17:40   yeah i was very good there's that [TS]

00:17:41   there's that bet great britain that bit [TS]

00:17:43   in that episode where they pull out the [TS]

00:17:45   Holograms data you know there's this [TS]

00:17:47   holiday how about ahsha our former you [TS]

00:17:50   know that are late security officer [TS]

00:17:51   why do you have this is like well you [TS]

00:17:53   know we're friends like what we had a an [TS]

00:17:55   intimate relationship like oh ma it's [TS]

00:17:59   actually family function that episode [TS]

00:18:01   and the episode yesterday's enterprise [TS]

00:18:03   where where there's the the alternate [TS]

00:18:05   timeline with tasha it and a few others [TS]

00:18:07   there are a few other cases where it [TS]

00:18:09   turns out that the death of Tasha Yar as [TS]

00:18:11   ridiculous as it was incinerated [TS]

00:18:13   reverberates through the Syrian and NS [TS]

00:18:15   as kind of questionable character she [TS]

00:18:16   was it's not the worst thing that they [TS]

00:18:18   killed her off but but the ramifications [TS]

00:18:21   of her death they actually handled well [TS]

00:18:22   better than the death itself [TS]

00:18:24   she was better dead if yes when the [TS]

00:18:27   series finale one of one of the nicest [TS]

00:18:28   touches in the series finale is when the [TS]

00:18:30   carnage time shifting through all those [TS]

00:18:32   different realities and he's got to have [TS]

00:18:33   them converge and he's trying to work [TS]

00:18:36   with Tasha Yar and every time he looks [TS]

00:18:37   at you can tell he's thinking that he [TS]

00:18:39   wants to say things to her and he wants [TS]

00:18:41   to try to drink it in because he knows [TS]

00:18:43   that she's dead and he's heroically [TS]

00:18:46   restraining himself and it's it's it's [TS]

00:18:47   it's a tremendously affecting sequence [TS]

00:18:49   we can't you can't break the temporal [TS]

00:18:52   project and that would have been made [TS]

00:18:54   possible if she'd stayed alive the whole [TS]

00:18:55   way through i mean there's more emotion [TS]

00:18:57   with the way he regards her it was [TS]

00:18:59   really nice to have that element of the [TS]

00:19:02   you know something that had a lasting [TS]

00:19:05   impact I think that's one of my my [TS]

00:19:07   complaints about TNG is that there it [TS]

00:19:09   felt like there were so few things that [TS]

00:19:11   seem to have a lasting impact from [TS]

00:19:12   episode to episode like it would be [TS]

00:19:14   priced the reasons before before the [TS]

00:19:17   trend of having see realized storylines [TS]

00:19:20   I always loved those episodes though in [TS]

00:19:22   which they either brought back a [TS]

00:19:23   familiar character whether it be you [TS]

00:19:25   know wax on Troy your cue or whatever a [TS]

00:19:27   large works girlfriend that was our all [TS]

00:19:30   or [TS]

00:19:31   for Alexander the later seasons and then [TS]

00:19:33   episodes like no I were kind of like [TS]

00:19:37   it's kind of like the tiger mother 20 [TS]

00:19:39   years early i mean i like Wars parents [TS]

00:19:42   more than I like Alexander OS but I mean [TS]

00:19:45   horrible [TS]

00:19:45   yeah well i mean but i like I felt that [TS]

00:19:47   there was a reward in their right and [TS]

00:19:48   like something like and so even when you [TS]

00:19:50   have the cliffhangers from the later [TS]

00:19:51   seasons to like the best of both worlds [TS]

00:19:53   you know those were things i really [TS]

00:19:54   enjoyed where it's like there's [TS]

00:19:56   something at stake here right [TS]

00:19:57   I don't have that like oh I'm sure [TS]

00:20:00   everything's gonna be fine not by next [TS]

00:20:02   week you know will solve this problem in [TS]

00:20:04   15 minutes [TS]

00:20:05   I watched a lot of the next generation [TS]

00:20:06   on through january when i was still on [TS]

00:20:09   maternity leave because mom my daughter [TS]

00:20:11   wouldn't go to sleep in the crib and so [TS]

00:20:13   I would hold her for I would hold her [TS]

00:20:15   for naps and things like that and I'd [TS]

00:20:16   watch and I'd watch the next generation [TS]

00:20:18   while she was asleep Will Riker will [TS]

00:20:19   soothe you to sleep baby oh my god more [TS]

00:20:21   left [TS]

00:20:23   I don't do not get one of my one of my [TS]

00:20:24   cousin's daughter's when she was like [TS]

00:20:26   three or something like her parents are [TS]

00:20:27   avid Trek fans and she walked into the [TS]

00:20:29   room and like one of her like early [TS]

00:20:31   words with tar Trek Star Trek in memory [TS]

00:20:35   of Tasha Yar but one of the things that [TS]

00:20:39   so striking is start is star trek the [TS]

00:20:41   next generation is just such a product [TS]

00:20:43   of of its of the time of its creation [TS]

00:20:47   and I thought wow you know for sure that [TS]

00:20:49   supposed to be set a couple centuries in [TS]

00:20:51   the future [TS]

00:20:51   it really is pretty firmly fixed in the [TS]

00:20:53   late 1980s early nineteen nineties in [TS]

00:20:55   terms of the future is going to be like [TS]

00:20:57   in terms of aesthetics in terms of [TS]

00:20:58   sensibility and I recognize that part of [TS]

00:21:00   the problem with aesthetics comes down [TS]

00:21:02   to budgetary limitations and technology [TS]

00:21:04   limitations because i'm sure we can [TS]

00:21:06   offer one incorporating cgi was like a [TS]

00:21:08   huge deal on Babylon 5 [TS]

00:21:09   right right that it was all along it was [TS]

00:21:11   all model work not much more advanced [TS]

00:21:13   than what they had in the sixties right [TS]

00:21:14   because you had the enterprise going [TS]

00:21:16   like in every episode was don't forget [TS]

00:21:19   it was just me was also just the look of [TS]

00:21:21   it was very brightly lit and optimistic [TS]

00:21:23   and they're willing to much [TS]

00:21:25   serialization and it was a very end and [TS]

00:21:27   that goes back to the fact that when [TS]

00:21:28   they were building the sets and coming [TS]

00:21:30   up with the aesthetic Gene Roddenberry [TS]

00:21:31   was there saying the future is great [TS]

00:21:33   everybody loves everybody else analogy [TS]

00:21:35   to show Syria and in the future no one [TS]

00:21:38   needs wet wipes in the future yeah it is [TS]

00:21:40   it's not it's not a very complicated [TS]

00:21:43   future and that that never stopped right [TS]

00:21:47   with me because I because I just kept [TS]

00:21:49   the key you're gonna keep running into [TS]

00:21:50   into civilization after civilization [TS]

00:21:52   after civilization you're going to tell [TS]

00:21:54   me that you're not going to find a [TS]

00:21:56   planet that insist on absolute morality [TS]

00:21:58   and can't handle the cultural relativism [TS]

00:22:00   that the Federation is based on and [TS]

00:22:02   you're and you're going to tell me think [TS]

00:22:04   about the traumatic episode 2 like how [TS]

00:22:05   long did it take for them to get to a [TS]

00:22:07   point with a universal translator failed [TS]

00:22:10   and you have a culture that I mean that [TS]

00:22:12   I think that was a child and her son has [TS]

00:22:13   isolated 102 is how long it took them [TS]

00:22:16   502 and that is one of the that is one [TS]

00:22:19   of the things like Darmok it's called [TS]

00:22:21   right episode season five and that is [TS]

00:22:23   one of the one of the few times in the [TS]

00:22:25   series when they did something even [TS]

00:22:27   though i like the show as a whole and i [TS]

00:22:28   watched it fairly religiously is um I [TS]

00:22:31   thought they did something totally [TS]

00:22:33   unexpected i watched it when holy cow [TS]

00:22:35   they're doing hard sigh finally ok what [TS]

00:22:38   I'm going to use this as an excuse to go [TS]

00:22:40   around the room and see if everybody's [TS]

00:22:41   got an episode they want to single out [TS]

00:22:43   as one of their favorites and i'll do [TS]

00:22:44   that because my favorite Star Trek [TS]

00:22:45   episode is Darmok I'm by jovanovski [TS]

00:22:48   which is that that is that is it by a [TS]

00:22:51   mile my favorite episode because it's [TS]

00:22:54   about having to communicate and the [TS]

00:22:56   translator not working and having to [TS]

00:22:57   understand with metaphors and you know [TS]

00:23:00   their steaks and Picard is alone and and [TS]

00:23:03   then he joins up with this alien captain [TS]

00:23:05   is your friends UFO there's a beast a [TS]

00:23:07   monster that's trying to kill them there [TS]

00:23:09   you know the captain doesn't make it out [TS]

00:23:12   alive so there's there's really a some [TS]

00:23:15   serious you know sadness and I real high [TS]

00:23:18   stakes kind of thing happening and yeah [TS]

00:23:21   so for me that episode is absolutely the [TS]

00:23:25   pinnacle of that what what they did so [TS]

00:23:27   that's my favorite and pollen feel does [TS]

00:23:29   not have a good rep you know a good [TS]

00:23:31   restaurant run are you in Star Trek yeah [TS]

00:23:35   was that he's always dying that's right [TS]

00:23:37   because he was he was captain Darrell [TS]

00:23:38   instructor to take what creatures in our [TS]

00:23:40   bodies [TS]

00:23:41   it made us say lies will start to [TS]

00:23:44   podcast is coming but oh my god you know [TS]

00:23:46   I was traumatized by that scene 4 year [TS]

00:23:49   made us realize do things but I laughter [TS]

00:23:51   that's going on the ear he was [TS]

00:23:53   are you yeah oh poor check off screams [TS]

00:23:56   again star trek do all he does this [TS]

00:23:59   creep any other any other favorite [TS]

00:24:03   episodes out there now that I've [TS]

00:24:05   professed my love for glare mark [TS]

00:24:06   enchilada to Naga haha i love that um [TS]

00:24:10   just ok everybody could just okay with [TS]

00:24:11   me haha that's the best you know I'm [TS]

00:24:14   gonna I'm gonna throw a weird one [TS]

00:24:15   because i figured with somebody because [TS]

00:24:16   you mentioned German Oscars how to look [TS]

00:24:18   at another episode I'm gonna throw out [TS]

00:24:19   mass oh man I knew you were gonna do [TS]

00:24:21   that because that one not have other [TS]

00:24:24   episodes that content fast masks was [TS]

00:24:26   again with the experimental final season [TS]

00:24:28   of next-generation said ya was like it [TS]

00:24:31   was a little bit like I'm not saying it [TS]

00:24:33   was the best episode [TS]

00:24:34   oh no it's the epicenter bright spider [TS]

00:24:36   gets to chew the scenery by channeling [TS]

00:24:37   all these different personalities but [TS]

00:24:39   you're including like an ancient [TS]

00:24:41   fertility goddess who also kills and oh [TS]

00:24:43   yeah but the reason I think you liked [TS]

00:24:45   that episode and I'm not surprised that [TS]

00:24:47   you like it is that that episode is [TS]

00:24:49   definitely like something that could be [TS]

00:24:50   you could write whole dissertations [TS]

00:24:52   about because it is like jovanovski kind [TS]

00:24:55   of discouraging myth in just myth [TS]

00:24:57   figures into and the meaning of myth and [TS]

00:25:00   why we have myths and just pouring out [TS]

00:25:03   of here but that was it and it may be [TS]

00:25:04   more inclined to think about them maybe [TS]

00:25:06   to watch it's his Joseph Campbell [TS]

00:25:07   episode clearly rights it's his it's his [TS]

00:25:10   star wars telling but I I like I'm not [TS]

00:25:12   going to side i'm picking an oddball one [TS]

00:25:14   because i forgot about mass until just [TS]

00:25:16   looking upstairs like I would you [TS]

00:25:17   normally I would say the inner light [TS]

00:25:19   everyone's gonna pick a night so I'm [TS]

00:25:20   gonna take that what I'm taking masks [TS]

00:25:22   because masks again you're watching a [TS]

00:25:24   show on mainstream television and [TS]

00:25:26   they're doing something that is almost [TS]

00:25:27   in comprehensively strange and their [TS]

00:25:29   packaging it in this science-fiction [TS]

00:25:32   rapper while telling a bigger story and [TS]

00:25:34   I've always had a soft spot for brent [TS]

00:25:35   Spiner don't think is a fabulous actor [TS]

00:25:37   but I think he's some amenities like you [TS]

00:25:40   know it's great like like I think about [TS]

00:25:41   on afterwards patrick stewart for [TS]

00:25:44   instance right but I mean and also many [TS]

00:25:46   guest stars it had the show or just [TS]

00:25:48   really fantastic but I've always liked [TS]

00:25:50   brent Spiner is total commitment to what [TS]

00:25:52   he's doing and so I i like that episode [TS]

00:25:55   quite a bit and now you know despite the [TS]

00:25:58   fact that i'm not the hugest eng fan I [TS]

00:26:01   was like going over my list and liking [TS]

00:26:02   it a lot of really good episodes [TS]

00:26:05   that's right here that I do like I'm I [TS]

00:26:07   I might pick lower decks from season [TS]

00:26:09   seven oh that was my life is good which [TS]

00:26:11   is which is a really good episode about [TS]

00:26:13   final war basically one of those [TS]

00:26:16   episodes like let's ignore the entire [TS]

00:26:17   main cast for most of the episode and [TS]

00:26:19   focus on these younger officers on there [TS]

00:26:22   but again it was an episode where there [TS]

00:26:23   was something at stake [TS]

00:26:25   oh and there's something they kill ya [TS]

00:26:27   someone dies and is and yeah and it's [TS]

00:26:30   it's kind of it I enjoyed that there was [TS]

00:26:31   a like there was an episode with with [TS]

00:26:33   drama and and steaks there and i think [TS]

00:26:35   that would and in getting that [TS]

00:26:38   perspective i love the protective ship [TS]

00:26:40   but we talked about that about Buffy [TS]

00:26:41   about the episode the sepo where yeah [TS]

00:26:43   it's just you're following sander and [TS]

00:26:45   his random adventures and everything [TS]

00:26:46   else in the plot happens in the [TS]

00:26:48   background the lower decks is that same [TS]

00:26:49   way worse because you wonder like well [TS]

00:26:51   there's hundreds of people on this ship [TS]

00:26:53   right right like and like we never hear [TS]

00:26:55   about like you see the people like I had [TS]

00:26:57   a pad to somebody or like they get shot [TS]

00:26:59   if they're you know a security officer [TS]

00:27:01   whatever but you never get stories from [TS]

00:27:03   any of them and so I i really enjoyed [TS]

00:27:05   that love that you have the stories by [TS]

00:27:06   the way at least we can talk about [TS]

00:27:08   everything that they got wrong but they [TS]

00:27:10   nailed the ipad yeah that's true to 200 [TS]

00:27:13   years our lady elected nail the only [TS]

00:27:15   thing they didn't get right is the fact [TS]

00:27:17   that they thought of pads discreet so [TS]

00:27:19   you can have a stack of pads or four [TS]

00:27:21   different paths that were pre-programmed [TS]

00:27:22   people didn't have tablets that were [TS]

00:27:23   associated specifically with them needed [TS]

00:27:25   maps I will see to that we have a pad [TS]

00:27:27   app store during the back of Kindles [TS]

00:27:29   next to me soon maybe a writer that you [TS]

00:27:33   have done volume yeah alright those are [TS]

00:27:35   good choices [TS]

00:27:36   Lisa the masterpiece Society wow its [TS]

00:27:40   feet well okay great great title one of [TS]

00:27:43   the things that I always thought about [TS]

00:27:44   TNG that I was sad about was that they [TS]

00:27:46   didn't have as many good titles that [TS]

00:27:48   original Star Trek at these crazy like [TS]

00:27:50   Shakespeare on the edge of titles and I [TS]

00:27:52   for the world is hollow and I've touched [TS]

00:27:54   the sky and and whereas next generation [TS]

00:27:57   had episodes like ethnic background and [TS]

00:28:00   Rome you know it's just like that you [TS]

00:28:03   know episode is dictionary word but that [TS]

00:28:06   one was a great with the masterpiece [TS]

00:28:08   Society which is like the society in a [TS]

00:28:09   bottle [TS]

00:28:10   yes and it's one of the few episodes for [TS]

00:28:13   Deanna Troi is is not completely useless [TS]

00:28:15   right so I wasn't annoyed about that [TS]

00:28:18   which which of course vaulted with me [TS]

00:28:20   the others the actually makes horrible [TS]

00:28:22   ethical breaches of that episode that [TS]

00:28:24   delightful but the thing I love about is [TS]

00:28:26   how Jordan posters stuff the street I if [TS]

00:28:30   you'll pardon me for being up and he's [TS]

00:28:32   dealing with this brilliant scientist [TS]

00:28:33   and she's all we would have never [TS]

00:28:34   thought about this and George's like [TS]

00:28:36   well you would have thought about it [TS]

00:28:37   because I thought about it and I'm blind [TS]

00:28:39   and I would have been aborted and never [TS]

00:28:40   allowed to exist in your society [TS]

00:28:42   am I right yes yes you were right [TS]

00:28:45   awkward that is why Georgia is my [TS]

00:28:47   favorite character just like the fact [TS]

00:28:49   that he gets short shrift to the entire [TS]

00:28:50   damn series but it is y over his eyes i [TS]

00:28:54   know for Barbie the happy-go-lucky [TS]

00:28:55   cheery cheery guy and his girlfriend is [TS]

00:28:58   a hologram [TS]

00:28:59   well among haha the hologram girl us I [TS]

00:29:03   mean hologram I as it as well as a [TS]

00:29:06   biologist that as a biologist the [TS]

00:29:08   science behind masterpiece Society [TS]

00:29:09   doesn't doesn't hold up at all because [TS]

00:29:11   they're always we've planted society out [TS]

00:29:13   for successive generations and it's all [TS]

00:29:15   the genetics interlocking blah blah blah [TS]

00:29:16   i kept thinking about that's not how [TS]

00:29:18   population genetics works alright but it [TS]

00:29:22   makes that social point about the fact [TS]

00:29:23   that they've created this locked off [TS]

00:29:25   society has this rigid role that they're [TS]

00:29:28   born two and one of the characters [TS]

00:29:29   points out that having to come into [TS]

00:29:33   contact with with forces beyond their [TS]

00:29:34   control and and people who are [TS]

00:29:36   completely random has forced him to [TS]

00:29:38   question the integrity of their other [TS]

00:29:41   society and has forced them to question [TS]

00:29:43   whether it's really a same way to live [TS]

00:29:46   if you are born saying oh you were [TS]

00:29:47   engineered to be a leader or your [TS]

00:29:48   engineer to be a brilliant scientist [TS]

00:29:51   this is your role go forth and flourish [TS]

00:29:52   i just saw that episode recently it's [TS]

00:29:54   funny and and one of the things that [TS]

00:29:55   struck me about it is that the original [TS]

00:29:56   Star Trek that would have been a story [TS]

00:29:58   where Captain Kirk happens on this [TS]

00:30:01   planet and says you people are crazy i'm [TS]

00:30:03   going to ruin everything you would [TS]

00:30:04   understand everyone must live their own [TS]

00:30:07   lives in the way that's intended for [TS]

00:30:10   them to live and then he would create a [TS]

00:30:11   logical fallacy in the computer that [TS]

00:30:13   controls the entire society where mode [TS]

00:30:14   and then they believe right to let me in [TS]

00:30:16   this episode we'll see you later the [TS]

00:30:18   nice tiger has [TS]

00:30:19   that's why i love that that's actually [TS]

00:30:21   that episode the taste of Armageddon [TS]

00:30:22   this one my favorite original Star Trek [TS]

00:30:24   episodes for that reason works like this [TS]

00:30:25   is this is best up i'm going to break [TS]

00:30:28   everything in and little relieved by you [TS]

00:30:31   have prime directive kill yourselves or [TS]

00:30:33   not but I'm going so masterpiece Society [TS]

00:30:36   is basically an intractable problem that [TS]

00:30:39   the enterprise doesn't cause it but then [TS]

00:30:41   their presence is there and they're like [TS]

00:30:42   well we gotta do something and they and [TS]

00:30:44   and there are no good solutions which is [TS]

00:30:47   great because they're right in the [TS]

00:30:49   middle of it they're like what we do [TS]

00:30:51   where kevin kirby like haha you actually [TS]

00:30:53   see them really fret over Picard is [TS]

00:30:56   really torn [TS]

00:30:57   Scott do you have a favorite i do have a [TS]

00:30:59   favorite and I like it more because of [TS]

00:31:01   the character that is the central [TS]

00:31:03   driving force than the actual episode [TS]

00:31:05   itself the nth degree which mostly [TS]

00:31:09   original Barkley who is working with my [TS]

00:31:12   favorite character instructor [TS]

00:31:13   organization AKA is no howling continues [TS]

00:31:16   howling mad Murdock guess it was another [TS]

00:31:18   jovanovski episode and i love that [TS]

00:31:20   episode 2 and I think it gets short [TS]

00:31:21   shrift among all that kind of reg [TS]

00:31:23   Barclay episode but you know what [TS]

00:31:25   starkly is all of us that's why we love [TS]

00:31:26   Him were all that's true because [TS]

00:31:27   everyone starts with a next generation [TS]

00:31:29   especially on the enterprise because [TS]

00:31:30   it's the flagship of the Federation that [TS]

00:31:33   are like the cream of the crop [TS]

00:31:34   yeah everyone's perfect invention Rodney [TS]

00:31:37   exactly the screwed-up is a little [TS]

00:31:38   insecure he likes to go to the whole [TS]

00:31:41   deck and have the bridge crew in his [TS]

00:31:43   fantasies spent I and nef degree he [TS]

00:31:48   becomes becomes super intelligent [TS]

00:31:50   intelligent and and finds that the [TS]

00:31:53   enterprise's computer is to slow so he [TS]

00:31:56   hooks his brain into the the enterprise [TS]

00:31:58   and takes over so they can solve this [TS]

00:32:00   problem which I don't think he end up [TS]

00:32:02   solving but no happens it's actually a [TS]

00:32:05   like a Trojan horse to get them to [TS]

00:32:07   transport to there's an alien race and [TS]

00:32:09   that that doesn't travel they just send [TS]

00:32:11   out these probes that may be smart and [TS]

00:32:13   then they open wormholes the United [TS]

00:32:15   kinda yeah and they say hey welcome [TS]

00:32:17   let's talk laziest race oh yeah it's the [TS]

00:32:20   s very advanced but very lazy [TS]

00:32:22   they're not good travelers they prefer [TS]

00:32:24   their home box settles on the stomach a [TS]

00:32:26   little yeah you have a second favorite [TS]

00:32:30   up to say go ahead because [TS]

00:32:32   this format is is over and i also have a [TS]

00:32:35   second favorite everything again with [TS]

00:32:38   the others [TS]

00:32:39   there's like 7,000 episodes does anyone [TS]

00:32:41   remember the survivors the man and his [TS]

00:32:44   wife found a planet the rest of the [TS]

00:32:46   planets been destroyed yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:32:48   this is a beautiful episode is a [TS]

00:32:50   beautifully constructed episode because [TS]

00:32:52   it is a mystery introduction a [TS]

00:32:53   successful mr. you can't figure it out [TS]

00:32:55   of the first watching it ends with [TS]

00:32:57   something so chilling that i can recite [TS]

00:32:59   you know part of it because it it was it [TS]

00:33:01   really affected me so the plot of the [TS]

00:33:03   the survivors is a third season episode [TS]

00:33:06   in fact so early but very thoughtful [TS]

00:33:08   they come to this planet the whole [TS]

00:33:09   planet is completely burned out except [TS]

00:33:11   for one house and there's a guy there is [TS]

00:33:13   Wi-Fi they claim because they refuse to [TS]

00:33:15   fight against some alien race they were [TS]

00:33:17   spared and the aliens destroy the rest [TS]

00:33:19   of the planet because people resisted in [TS]

00:33:21   and they feel bad whatever in somewhere [TS]

00:33:23   along the line then like but go on your [TS]

00:33:25   way we're fine here we have enough [TS]

00:33:26   supplies for the rest of our lives see [TS]

00:33:27   you later and the enterprise's like well [TS]

00:33:29   I guess there's nothing we can do will [TS]

00:33:30   put an APB for this alien race and at [TS]

00:33:33   some point that they think something's [TS]

00:33:35   wrong so they keep sticking around in [TS]

00:33:37   Troy gets her mind jam by the music box [TS]

00:33:39   just to get put in a coma and try to [TS]

00:33:41   feel what the hell goes on so finally [TS]

00:33:43   turns out the guy is actually q style [TS]

00:33:45   super powerful alien and his wife is a [TS]

00:33:48   projection that the solving the mystery [TS]

00:33:50   is finally Picard says your wife doesn't [TS]

00:33:51   really exist does she and she says what [TS]

00:33:53   are you talking about thousands i'm [TS]

00:33:55   sorry you're not really here everyone [TS]

00:33:57   went to fight including the wife [TS]

00:33:58   everyone's killed except the guy and [TS]

00:34:00   he's so angry and he's so all powerful [TS]

00:34:02   this is the thing that showed me is so [TS]

00:34:04   he's like he's like so I killed them all [TS]

00:34:06   and Picard says what do you mean you [TS]

00:34:07   killed everybody on the spaceship is [TS]

00:34:09   like no I killed the entire race 4 [TS]

00:34:11   billion beings everywhere they existed [TS]

00:34:14   in the universe I killed them all and [TS]

00:34:16   they also to say this is committed [TS]

00:34:18   beyond our ability to judge like you [TS]

00:34:21   have torture yourself we gotta go wait [TS]

00:34:23   in setting up there is a computer would [TS]

00:34:25   be [TS]

00:34:26   to mess up you guys gonna go to a logic [TS]

00:34:29   test livejournal you might want to check [TS]

00:34:31   out the hair who look at that Syrian [TS]

00:34:35   just glad I'm glad you brought that up [TS]

00:34:36   that period that's beginning of the [TS]

00:34:37   third season that is when they kicked [TS]

00:34:39   into gear because if you look at those [TS]

00:34:40   first few episodes the first episode is [TS]

00:34:43   evolution which I people don't like it's [TS]

00:34:45   got wesleyan nanites in it but ken [TS]

00:34:47   Jenkins who was later on scrubs is in [TS]

00:34:50   that and he's this kind of baseball [TS]

00:34:52   obsessed astrophysicist who is kind of [TS]

00:34:54   this is his only shot at glory and he's [TS]

00:34:56   afraid it's going to go badly and i love [TS]

00:34:58   that episode I think that he Jenkins [TS]

00:35:00   performance is actually really good and [TS]

00:35:01   he's annoying and people don't like him [TS]

00:35:02   because he's annoying but I think it's a [TS]

00:35:04   really human character and performance [TS]

00:35:06   of a guy who knows he's being a jerk but [TS]

00:35:08   is so desperate because he knows this is [TS]

00:35:10   his only chance and that's followed up [TS]

00:35:13   by an episode called instance of command [TS]

00:35:15   which is basically a great data episode [TS]

00:35:17   where he gets stuck on a planet by [TS]

00:35:18   himself have to try to get these people [TS]

00:35:20   to evacuate their their their homeland [TS]

00:35:23   or they're all gonna die and that's a [TS]

00:35:26   wonderful episode then there's the [TS]

00:35:27   survivors and then the episode after [TS]

00:35:28   that is the one with Ray wise from Twin [TS]

00:35:30   Peaks which is who watches the Watchers [TS]

00:35:31   which is where they break the prime [TS]

00:35:34   directive by accident because they're [TS]

00:35:35   observing primitive people and they they [TS]

00:35:37   like think the card is a God and they [TS]

00:35:40   try to beam them up to the and it just [TS]

00:35:42   keeps getting worse and worse and that [TS]

00:35:44   the contamination gets worse than those [TS]

00:35:45   four episodes you know i remember [TS]

00:35:48   watching those four episodes of saying [TS]

00:35:49   wow I i thought the first season was [TS]

00:35:51   kind of good it was terrible compared to [TS]

00:35:53   this and that's when they got it i think [TS]

00:35:55   that's right in that little collection [TS]

00:35:57   of episodes they had the good uniforms [TS]

00:35:59   and the good universe with the college [TS]

00:36:01   party in three [TS]

00:36:02   yeah yeah that was with those the [TS]

00:36:03   episode was at the we don't have a [TS]

00:36:05   gentler costumes down episode season [TS]

00:36:07   yes that's right on the button to [TS]

00:36:09   preserve the others crazy whatever that [TS]

00:36:11   something yeah they drove the actors [TS]

00:36:12   crazy because they talked about it all [TS]

00:36:14   the time like oh my god when they [TS]

00:36:15   finally got us out of his terrible for [TS]

00:36:17   every time we see it up [TS]

00:36:18   yeah that was that was a draw more came [TS]

00:36:20   on and and had his first trip there and [TS]

00:36:22   that was when it all it all came [TS]

00:36:25   together right right around then so i [TS]

00:36:26   think that's that's a great episode and [TS]

00:36:28   it is chilling that 15 did something [TS]

00:36:30   similar weather is a disease that wiped [TS]

00:36:31   out an entire race weekend [TS]

00:36:33   and and that's one of my favorite [TS]

00:36:34   episodes of Babylon 5 that same reason [TS]

00:36:36   it is it goes to a deep dark place that [TS]

00:36:39   you don't see a lot of stuff go and and [TS]

00:36:42   that only sci-fi can really take you [TS]

00:36:43   there i think to make that to really [TS]

00:36:46   think about ultimate kind of genocide [TS]

00:36:49   and how horrific it is so and if you [TS]

00:36:51   play the Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:36:53   collectible card game Kevin Oxbridge the [TS]

00:36:56   Kevin Oxbridge card is very wins he does [TS]

00:36:58   he just want everybody to be nice yeah [TS]

00:37:01   tap him to destroy every other card in [TS]

00:37:02   the game but that's right but only when [TS]

00:37:04   you kill his wife other other favorite [TS]

00:37:07   store I guess second favorite episodes i [TS]

00:37:09   would i would throw it I guess maybe [TS]

00:37:11   this is kind of like you know maybe a [TS]

00:37:12   little bit obvious but I went throughout [TS]

00:37:14   all good things because its leaders and [TS]

00:37:16   I think I create a great capital one of [TS]

00:37:18   the best it's hard but now we're serious [TS]

00:37:20   for those finales that I've ever seen to [TS]

00:37:22   be i agree well excellent series caprica [TS]

00:37:27   they're gonna be really hard to do [TS]

00:37:28   without like they didn't screw up the [TS]

00:37:30   format i like that data turns into crazy [TS]

00:37:32   cannon what they're not there they're [TS]

00:37:34   not it's not like it's a big event right [TS]

00:37:37   i mean that's one of the great things [TS]

00:37:38   about this there's a lot going on it's a [TS]

00:37:40   spectacular story but it's not like the [TS]

00:37:43   enterprise is reached the end of its [TS]

00:37:44   voyage and everybody's saying goodbye [TS]

00:37:46   it's not that now [TS]

00:37:48   no its you got your cute comes back you [TS]

00:37:50   got Geordie in the future with realize [TS]

00:37:52   you've got the enterprise that flies in [TS]

00:37:54   three dimensions which is migrating [TS]

00:37:56   foreign aid the Irish show also a very [TS]

00:37:58   good card in the custody bacardi [TS]

00:38:01   features Deanna they've killed off [TS]

00:38:03   deanna troi inexplicably which I i and [TS]

00:38:05   and and all that every crime writers [TS]

00:38:08   always cold bitter right yeah see that's [TS]

00:38:11   great i love that i like you and records [TS]

00:38:13   bitter it's my feathers on ship and she [TS]

00:38:16   dresses down [TS]

00:38:18   that's higher too so you never do that [TS]

00:38:20   I'm like really and I was going to do [TS]

00:38:21   and he's kind of like everyone thinks [TS]

00:38:22   he's crazy right [TS]

00:38:24   he's like yeah it seems in space because [TS]

00:38:26   you crazy fear because yeah yeah it's a [TS]

00:38:28   fantastic episode because he had gone to [TS]

00:38:30   10 Divine's and next thing you know he's [TS]

00:38:32   busy Colin chips and and babbling about [TS]

00:38:34   alternate timelines and people like [TS]

00:38:36   whatever whatever old man it was Don [TS]

00:38:39   Quijote I do have a have a jonathan [TS]

00:38:41   frakes connection [TS]

00:38:43   really other than my beard is up i went [TS]

00:38:46   to my college Lehigh University and I [TS]

00:38:48   was an English major and so you need to [TS]

00:38:50   have an academic advisor my academic [TS]

00:38:52   advisor was javaserver knows professor [TS]

00:38:55   freaks and I thought that's odd [TS]

00:38:56   and I went to his office and he had a [TS]

00:38:58   giant cutout jonathan frakes in his [TS]

00:39:02   office because professor Frakes don't on [TS]

00:39:04   jonathan frakes the father wasn't much [TS]

00:39:07   better if it was copper pipe it was not [TS]

00:39:10   his dad there would be much better if [TS]

00:39:12   you did have a cutout of jonathan frakes [TS]

00:39:14   just as a guy right [TS]

00:39:18   it was it was a Riker cut out and is [TS]

00:39:20   that look around the brakes with a cup [TS]

00:39:21   of coffee and a script a little baseball [TS]

00:39:23   cap a little science is it had a little [TS]

00:39:26   sign on it that said hi pop which I [TS]

00:39:28   thought was sweet that is sweet [TS]

00:39:31   yeah i mean i think the character Rikers [TS]

00:39:35   a big mobile block of cheese but i have [TS]

00:39:37   no complaints whatsoever about John [TS]

00:39:38   about reichert Rikers one of those i [TS]

00:39:40   mean i think what writer was [TS]

00:39:41   specifically I don't like a response [TS]

00:39:45   well it was a response to the fact that [TS]

00:39:47   they got a lot of criticism for the fact [TS]

00:39:48   that Captain Kirk you know was the [TS]

00:39:51   captain of the ship and very important [TS]

00:39:53   and yet he was always out there doing [TS]

00:39:54   the most dangerous things and so the [TS]

00:39:56   response was to sort of split into the [TS]

00:39:59   older kind of authority figure Captain [TS]

00:40:01   Picard and and the younger kind of [TS]

00:40:03   headstrong Kirk like character who [TS]

00:40:06   especially that first season is very [TS]

00:40:08   correct like who is who is who is Riker [TS]

00:40:10   the problem is that you know first off [TS]

00:40:12   the original star trek with Kirk doing [TS]

00:40:14   all those things [TS]

00:40:14   it worked and second for drama I mean [TS]

00:40:17   how can you not have no cards not going [TS]

00:40:19   to sit on the bridge and you get you got [TS]

00:40:20   Patrick Stewart how are you going to not [TS]

00:40:22   use him and so in the end it's like okay [TS]

00:40:24   then what is Riker for yes that's a [TS]

00:40:25   question we all live here we can all ask [TS]

00:40:27   ourselves what is record for he plays [TS]

00:40:29   the trombone [TS]

00:40:30   what is the name of the episode where he [TS]

00:40:31   thinks that he's aged 16 years and lost [TS]

00:40:34   his memory turns out to be answered [TS]

00:40:35   ecolution future imperfect which is also [TS]

00:40:37   one of my favorites and then you're [TS]

00:40:39   perfect [TS]

00:40:40   yeah and i like it i also like it [TS]

00:40:41   because he's very compassionate towards [TS]

00:40:43   the person that the child who has done [TS]

00:40:44   it towards i mean if if anybody else had [TS]

00:40:47   been like okay you tried to momento me [TS]

00:40:48   for for--why [TS]

00:40:50   they might be tempted to smack the kid [TS]

00:40:52   around a little bit and use in cities [TS]

00:40:53   like oh you poor lonely because in the [TS]

00:40:54   future and let me take you back yes [TS]

00:40:56   that's right hehe is a memento which [TS]

00:40:58   wasn't made one of the stronger you just [TS]

00:41:01   read con that episode and shoe second [TS]

00:41:03   chances is a good app is one of my [TS]

00:41:04   another episode i really enjoy which is [TS]

00:41:06   worthy if they find the duplicate record [TS]

00:41:08   has been stuck on this planet [TS]

00:41:09   yea years because of a transporter a [TS]

00:41:11   little Riker yeah thomas armstrong this [TS]

00:41:13   right yes and so and you get these weird [TS]

00:41:15   like they're they're the same person [TS]

00:41:17   only kind of not because he's been stuck [TS]

00:41:19   on a planet every years and he actually [TS]

00:41:21   get somebody did you get some traction [TS]

00:41:22   in deep space nine later I shows up and [TS]

00:41:24   kind of goes rogue basically by [TS]

00:41:27   pretending to be Riker and stealing the [TS]

00:41:29   Department it didn't anybody loved the [TS]

00:41:31   scottie comes back episode of star child [TS]

00:41:34   and I love sky love Scotty period just [TS]

00:41:36   like I reactionary right i love that [TS]

00:41:38   episode because once again it's so [TS]

00:41:40   Scotty comes back and you know in the [TS]

00:41:42   original series he could fix everything [TS]

00:41:43   and he comes back and he is or he [TS]

00:41:45   doesn't know anything about the new [TS]

00:41:46   stuff and George's like please we can [TS]

00:41:48   fix it [TS]

00:41:49   just go back to your cabin that's what [TS]

00:41:51   it's like oh but he they read they do [TS]

00:41:54   the holiday that excel story how to do [TS]

00:41:56   his job yeah how to manage his boss also [TS]

00:41:58   there's a lot of good mockery of Bad [TS]

00:41:59   episodes in that episode I don't [TS]

00:42:01   remember this where where where there [TS]

00:42:03   are several scenes majority is telling [TS]

00:42:04   him sort of the end of a plot of a bad [TS]

00:42:06   episode we scoured the movie state right [TS]

00:42:08   was gonna go that's funny that wasn't a [TS]

00:42:10   very good episode haha and and Scotty [TS]

00:42:14   also reveals how he got his reputation [TS]

00:42:15   as a miracle maker by overestimating how [TS]

00:42:18   long it will take up and delivering good [TS]

00:42:22   driver but that's what I like about that [TS]

00:42:23   episode is where he basically tell he [TS]

00:42:25   tells George you have got to stop being [TS]

00:42:27   honest about what you can do you manage [TS]

00:42:29   your bosses expectations so that would [TS]

00:42:31   be a lot more impressed with you also [TS]

00:42:32   Jimmy doing is just a delight [TS]

00:42:34   like anytime he's on the screen he's [TS]

00:42:36   just I don't know he's great i love him [TS]

00:42:39   do we have any more episodes that we [TS]

00:42:41   would like to call out of the hundred [TS]

00:42:42   and seventy something that were what [TS]

00:42:44   would someone like to know [TS]

00:42:46   does anyone have a heated episode as [TS]

00:42:48   opposed to like oh yeah Susan OEM [TS]

00:42:50   ability to episode myself [TS]

00:42:51   oh yeah i got i got a couple let me I'll [TS]

00:42:54   give you one from the first season and [TS]

00:42:56   i'll give you one from the last set [TS]

00:42:57   stories location that [TS]

00:42:59   isn't the first season that episode code [TS]

00:43:03   of honor which we mentioned earlier [TS]

00:43:04   which is the the people with its it's [TS]

00:43:07   black aliens in a Chinese culture and I [TS]

00:43:11   guess they were trying to be all kind of [TS]

00:43:13   multicultural and it is so it is not [TS]

00:43:15   only offensive but poorly acted and so [TS]

00:43:20   terrible you put that double feature [TS]

00:43:21   with one where Wesley steps on the grass [TS]

00:43:23   and it really you gotta wonder why they [TS]

00:43:25   were allowed to continue making episodes [TS]

00:43:28   yeah and then and then I'm gonna throw [TS]

00:43:31   out there but from that experimental [TS]

00:43:33   wacky last season where they do did [TS]

00:43:35   interesting stuff like lower decks and [TS]

00:43:37   and the one with what parallels the [TS]

00:43:41   world they're all the different versions [TS]

00:43:42   of parallel universes [TS]

00:43:44   I love those episodes like right in the [TS]

00:43:46   middle there is an episode that was [TS]

00:43:48   called I believe called subrosa which [TS]

00:43:50   was crusher which is definitely a [TS]

00:43:53   rushers Gothic romance [TS]

00:43:55   oh yeah those are we going to read that [TS]

00:43:58   was visiting my mother [TS]

00:43:59   one of the famous perhaps the worst [TS]

00:44:02   episode & Rice novel it is like an ant [TS]

00:44:05   has no Tim saras & Rice novel that what [TS]

00:44:07   were the words basically the same [TS]

00:44:08   premise for this family women is haunted [TS]

00:44:10   by a ghost that ravishes them and and [TS]

00:44:12   gives them supernatural powers and and [TS]

00:44:15   just this episode is pretty much a [TS]

00:44:16   direct descendant or parallel to that [TS]

00:44:18   one so but by the weapon amazed that [TS]

00:44:20   nobody actually mentioned best of both [TS]

00:44:22   worlds Part one or 12 as the best [TS]

00:44:25   episode because in many ways it's the [TS]

00:44:26   definitive i think next generation [TS]

00:44:28   episode it's the it's the episode that [TS]

00:44:30   my husband again who doesn't watch the [TS]

00:44:31   sci-fi loves it's got everybody talking [TS]

00:44:33   about i think that's what made it a [TS]

00:44:35   mainstream kind of hit is that episode [TS]

00:44:37   with wood that great cliff hanger and I [TS]

00:44:38   think it brought black brought back the [TS]

00:44:40   season-ending cliffhanger TV too because [TS]

00:44:43   they didn't used to do that believe it [TS]

00:44:45   or not and that you that episode was [TS]

00:44:47   such a great cliffhanger then brought [TS]

00:44:49   back so I god it's data's head [TS]

00:44:51   why is it buried precipitation is not [TS]

00:44:53   know that's times everything that was [TS]

00:44:56   good and not-so-good anyway and i'm a [TS]

00:44:58   sometimes those are my head and I know [TS]

00:45:00   that [TS]

00:45:00   yeah I kind of rest rattles that's kind [TS]

00:45:03   of a door no I hate children [TS]

00:45:06   that's where the victory of sovereignty [TS]

00:45:08   is really an episode disaster when they [TS]

00:45:11   were 14 cards in the turbolift with the [TS]

00:45:12   children [TS]

00:45:13   oh my that is another one of the first [TS]

00:45:15   episodes i ever saw that that that I [TS]

00:45:17   remember I remember watching that in [TS]

00:45:19   college and saying disaster could good [TS]

00:45:22   title one of the things I love that one [TS]

00:45:24   of the things I love about Picard is the [TS]

00:45:25   fact that he's uncomfortable around [TS]

00:45:26   children because you know typically when [TS]

00:45:28   imagining things right does not begin [TS]

00:45:31   its thing and that is ridiculously [TS]

00:45:33   well-rounded people or their animals [TS]

00:45:34   animals are gentle by their touch and [TS]

00:45:36   children instantly trusted of women's [TS]

00:45:38   swim that men want to be them and [TS]

00:45:40   instead you have bacardi is like you [TS]

00:45:42   short human come back after you've been [TS]

00:45:44   socialized in ground and I I just enjoy [TS]

00:45:46   that he's deeply uncomfortable with [TS]

00:45:48   children he just I I kind of like to [TS]

00:45:51   imagine him as somebody was deeply [TS]

00:45:52   uncomfortable being a child and you [TS]

00:45:54   what's the what is the episode it's the [TS]

00:45:57   saw pisode of Star Trek wear Drakkar is [TS]

00:46:00   stuck in a space they can't get out of [TS]

00:46:02   with like not enough food and three [TS]

00:46:04   alien races and they're trying to open a [TS]

00:46:07   door and one of them is some kind of [TS]

00:46:08   leonine me and wants to eat the other [TS]

00:46:10   and you're talking about it turns out [TS]

00:46:13   that might be experimented on by [TS]

00:46:14   transporter beings is the craziest of [TS]

00:46:18   systems is that it that is that schisms [TS]

00:46:20   is that the one where they really yes [TS]

00:46:23   school are indoctrinated experiment no [TS]

00:46:25   no that's a different of that of the [TS]

00:46:27   abduction that's something to do with [TS]

00:46:28   subspace this was an episode in which [TS]

00:46:30   Picard finds himself suddenly with an [TS]

00:46:33   enson supposedly Anson a leonine be some [TS]

00:46:37   kind of like another creature and [TS]

00:46:39   they're in a room and it's basically saw [TS]

00:46:40   it's a it's a gr8 no PG version of saw [TS]

00:46:43   where they have to get out of the room [TS]

00:46:44   and they can't figure out what needs to [TS]

00:46:46   happen is not enough food for everybody [TS]

00:46:47   and eventually they sort of solve the [TS]

00:46:49   puzzle which that the answer is really [TS]

00:46:51   an instant she knows too much [TS]

00:46:52   information that secret and it's some [TS]

00:46:54   race of beings who are trying to start [TS]

00:46:56   studying other people who are separate [TS]

00:46:59   because they're always bonded together [TS]

00:47:00   very Gene Roddenberry kinda feel like [TS]

00:47:02   that or hate that i aided that location [TS]

00:47:04   good alright can I can I give them [TS]

00:47:07   episode it's not an episode but it's [TS]

00:47:09   going to be a rather controversial [TS]

00:47:11   contribute which is that I don't like [TS]

00:47:14   data [TS]

00:47:15   oh but he and always immaculately so no [TS]

00:47:19   I didn't ask you to discuss that with [TS]

00:47:21   you because here's my ears my complaint [TS]

00:47:23   about the star trek ethos as a whole is [TS]

00:47:25   you first you have data the android to [TS]

00:47:26   what is it for you humans to love oh I [TS]

00:47:29   yearn to feel as you feel it and then [TS]

00:47:30   when you get to avoid all what makes me [TS]

00:47:32   want to slam my head into yeah and then [TS]

00:47:34   you get Voyager with the hologram who's [TS]

00:47:36   all I want to be an enfranchised [TS]

00:47:37   sentient being every Star Trek has it [TS]

00:47:40   haha got the doctor you've got Spock you [TS]

00:47:42   got odo but here's the thing is I can't [TS]

00:47:44   help but think that you might have a [TS]

00:47:45   form of artificial intelligence he was [TS]

00:47:47   like look you know you meet sex with [TS]

00:47:49   your hormones have enough to distract [TS]

00:47:50   you the fact is I don't need to sleep [TS]

00:47:53   I don't have any feelings I can kick [TS]

00:47:55   your ass and productivity you can take [TS]

00:47:57   your humanity and shove it just just [TS]

00:47:58   leave me to do my word i think it [TS]

00:48:00   progresses a little bit there where you [TS]

00:48:02   do see that he kind of likes the fact [TS]

00:48:04   that he that you know he said he seems [TS]

00:48:06   in the end I think they compromise there [TS]

00:48:07   a little bit they have to be more [TS]

00:48:09   curious about the things that he [TS]

00:48:10   couldn't experience that he wanted to [TS]

00:48:12   but they jerked around someone they did [TS]

00:48:14   motion to share like that thing bug me [TS]

00:48:16   it's like everything that maybe I'm [TS]

00:48:18   ready on emotions no really not ready [TS]

00:48:20   for this I'm just gonna take him out [TS]

00:48:22   again all these emotions there's some [TS]

00:48:23   addictive i love being angry all my gosh [TS]

00:48:26   what am I going to do it's an ethical [TS]

00:48:27   game over the classic moment one of the [TS]

00:48:28   movies though we're walking along and [TS]

00:48:30   data is going blah blah blah like hey [TS]

00:48:32   candy shakes his head he's like okay [TS]

00:48:34   it's off [TS]

00:48:35   yeah yeah yeah they had better see the [TS]

00:48:38   captain [TS]

00:48:38   I'm scared and a car like turn off the [TS]

00:48:41   most handle it better and in first [TS]

00:48:42   contact we're out which by the by the [TS]

00:48:44   way that that is for me that's the not [TS]

00:48:48   only the definitive you know Star Trek [TS]

00:48:51   The Next Generation movie but yeah I [TS]

00:48:53   think I actually think that that and and [TS]

00:48:55   star trek to and and i think i guess i [TS]

00:48:58   would throw in the JJ Abrams movie too [TS]

00:49:00   I mean those are the those are the best [TS]

00:49:02   Star Trek movies i think that i think [TS]

00:49:03   first contact is the the one if you're [TS]

00:49:06   gonna if you're gonna hold it out there [TS]

00:49:08   that is a great great moving and [TS]

00:49:10   directed by Jonathan freaks out of [TS]

00:49:12   breaks and I'll and I is AI i really do [TS]

00:49:15   like Star Trek six and yeah and i think [TS]

00:49:18   is no trick for you [TS]

00:49:20   wales and for that one as well right on [TS]

00:49:22   reviewing i have found generations [TS]

00:49:24   better [TS]

00:49:25   yeah I you know what it is it's ok it's [TS]

00:49:28   got into his moments it has gotten [TS]

00:49:30   moments and it's got its you know [TS]

00:49:33   yeah I like seeing the Picard Kurt team [TS]

00:49:35   up I I kind of enjoy that at the end it [TS]

00:49:37   sounds like a lot but doesn't mean who's [TS]

00:49:39   like Malcolm without identify are in [TS]

00:49:41   which rebored grateful have didn't well [TS]

00:49:44   and again you have the kids thing right [TS]

00:49:46   like the card he's like nephew or [TS]

00:49:48   something is dead right out right and [TS]

00:49:50   this can only guess why did a problem [TS]

00:49:52   yeah the one fund ones who are in that [TS]

00:49:54   episode after he gets he's rehabbing [TS]

00:49:56   from being taken by the board i guess [TS]

00:49:58   yeah and I guess I guess one of the [TS]

00:50:00   things I don't like about you know it go [TS]

00:50:02   back to the data thing per second is [TS]

00:50:03   that I feel like the problem one of the [TS]

00:50:05   problems of TNG is that they focused [TS]

00:50:07   like Picard data and to a certain extent [TS]

00:50:09   Worf like Gus all the attentions and [TS]

00:50:12   like I said I always felt a little [TS]

00:50:14   miffed because I loved Georgie as a [TS]

00:50:15   character and I felt like he never got [TS]

00:50:17   his do like he doesn't progress much [TS]

00:50:19   from the beginning of the show to the [TS]

00:50:21   end and I don't know why I like him so [TS]

00:50:23   much I'd rather always enjoy and come on [TS]

00:50:25   no these data is best friend well I can [TS]

00:50:28   tell you why I like George so much is [TS]

00:50:29   because he embodies he actually embodies [TS]

00:50:32   better human qualities that run Barry [TS]

00:50:34   I'm sure was trying to strive yeah John [TS]

00:50:35   memories and intensely loyal friend he's [TS]

00:50:37   endlessly patient he's the one who helps [TS]

00:50:39   you manage data because he's going that [TS]

00:50:40   explains things like here's how pets [TS]

00:50:42   work and no looks like spots expecting [TS]

00:50:44   and he also becomes you you the Borg's [TS]

00:50:46   best friend [TS]

00:50:47   well there you have it yeah the board [TS]

00:50:49   while he likes he knows how everything [TS]

00:50:51   works you know he runs the damn ship [TS]

00:50:53   right i love that he's a tremendously [TS]

00:50:55   observant and pragmatic and [TS]

00:50:57   compassionate character and those are [TS]

00:50:58   three trip really appealing personal [TS]

00:51:01   qualities to have and for all the the [TS]

00:51:04   these characteristics be really perfect [TS]

00:51:06   Compassion's in pretty short supply [TS]

00:51:09   if you take a look at you know I mean [TS]

00:51:10   data data is capable of having it when [TS]

00:51:13   it's an abstraction or one of the [TS]

00:51:14   logical thing to do work has to step on [TS]

00:51:17   his own baggage to have it [TS]

00:51:18   Picard has been the abstract half the [TS]

00:51:20   time I'm not sure record even knows what [TS]

00:51:22   it is but you're trying to destroy has [TS]

00:51:24   way too much except it's probably [TS]

00:51:26   doctrine is just pure comedy action [TS]

00:51:28   well that's why i left around is because [TS]

00:51:29   it's it's it's false currency with her I [TS]

00:51:31   mean she's nothing else she's not [TS]

00:51:32   discriminatory but you know Georgie [TS]

00:51:34   seems to have this intent that this [TS]

00:51:36   fantastic internal moral compass that [TS]

00:51:39   you know got that guides his decision [TS]

00:51:41   you know when to be pragmatic and and [TS]

00:51:42   then went to upgrade somebody for for [TS]

00:51:44   their flawed society and you know he's a [TS]

00:51:47   consummate observer games already i say [TS]

00:51:49   i just want to mention the episode that [TS]

00:51:52   I hated was called allegiance is season [TS]

00:51:54   i miss engine 3 episode 18 so actually [TS]

00:51:59   relatively early but I hate it what what [TS]

00:52:01   is this I forget the name of the episode [TS]

00:52:02   where that alien thing latches onto the [TS]

00:52:05   enterprise because only way old man [TS]

00:52:07   yeah yeah galaxies and I didn't know a [TS]

00:52:12   swale booby-trap he biologist or is a [TS]

00:52:17   galaxy two follow-up galaxy's child [TS]

00:52:18   galaxies challenge that's good yeah [TS]

00:52:20   that's honorable it's like it's like a [TS]

00:52:22   lamprey or something i want to i want to [TS]

00:52:24   bring up another episode that i just did [TS]

00:52:25   I that i forgot to mention that i like [TS]

00:52:27   i'm going to switch back to the positive [TS]

00:52:29   i forgot i can't believe i didn't [TS]

00:52:30   mention this one I love ship in a bottle [TS]

00:52:33   which is a holiday episode and worse it [TS]

00:52:36   is a Trolloc homes or Moriarty and so [TS]

00:52:39   you're going to do what I love about it [TS]

00:52:40   is because the plot is the craziest [TS]

00:52:43   thing I think i have ever seen on TV in [TS]

00:52:46   that in the end they solve the mystery [TS]

00:52:48   by creating a holiday inside a holodeck [TS]

00:52:52   outside a holodeck and and and when [TS]

00:52:55   you're watching it you're like what is [TS]

00:52:56   going on [TS]

00:52:57   thanks to the original Barkley extra [TS]

00:53:00   sparkly and the best part is Barkley [TS]

00:53:02   after all of that at the end of the [TS]

00:53:03   episode and we have these imaginations [TS]

00:53:05   where's holodecks inside a holiday so [TS]

00:53:07   there's a great moment where they step [TS]

00:53:08   out of the holodeck and say m program [TS]

00:53:11   and and then it goes away and then they [TS]

00:53:13   step out of the holodeck little eyes [TS]

00:53:16   again right at the end at the end of [TS]

00:53:18   Berkeley is a low and everybody else [TS]

00:53:19   leaves as well that wrapped up nicely [TS]

00:53:21   and they all leave and berkeley standing [TS]

00:53:22   there he goes [TS]

00:53:23   computer end program who I would point [TS]

00:53:28   out that sweet is that parodied an [TS]

00:53:30   excellent episode of futurama where it's [TS]

00:53:32   like oh no the hollers shed is the ocean [TS]

00:53:34   is malfunctioning again and we have evil [TS]

00:53:37   Lincoln Lincoln Genghis Khan and [TS]

00:53:39   Professor Moriarty [TS]

00:53:43   so actually that that's great because it [TS]

00:53:46   leads into into something that i [TS]

00:53:49   mentioned at the beginning that i want [TS]

00:53:50   to bring back at the end here which is [TS]

00:53:51   this you know the show wildly successful [TS]

00:53:53   seven years on the air [TS]

00:53:55   LED 24 I think feature films you know it [TS]

00:53:59   it's introduced the worlds of patrick [TS]

00:54:01   stewart i think which is a good thing [TS]

00:54:03   but at the same time I feel like it's [TS]

00:54:07   its people don't talk about it and it it [TS]

00:54:10   it was it had its cultural moment and I [TS]

00:54:12   feel like it's just going to talk about [TS]

00:54:13   on by right well but the thing is people [TS]

00:54:17   i think if you if you scratch the [TS]

00:54:19   surface so enough people will say that [TS]

00:54:22   they watched it [TS]

00:54:23   they just don't talk about watching it [TS]

00:54:25   and I bring this up because i have a [TS]

00:54:26   email list with a group of girlfriends [TS]

00:54:27   where i was mentioning I'm overdosing on [TS]

00:54:30   Star Trek right now my maternity leave [TS]

00:54:31   i'm losing my mind i'm watching these [TS]

00:54:33   shows and everything one of my [TS]

00:54:34   girlfriend's like that Patrick Stewart [TS]

00:54:36   oh captain picard and Miles O'Brien well [TS]

00:54:40   no seriously he is catnip to the ladies [TS]

00:54:42   and every single one of these people who [TS]

00:54:44   are not science fiction names at all [TS]

00:54:46   were like I love that show because I [TS]

00:54:48   loved watching Captain Picard so I i [TS]

00:54:50   think there it may be up one is cultural [TS]

00:54:52   constants like jagger nobody talks about [TS]

00:54:54   watching it but everybody did it well [TS]

00:54:57   and and I think it's one of those shows [TS]

00:54:59   that also like we're saying paved the [TS]

00:55:00   way for a lot of stuff that came after [TS]

00:55:03   it I mean in terms of you know science [TS]

00:55:05   fiction and and you know that kind of [TS]

00:55:08   genre stuff that wasn't necessarily as [TS]

00:55:11   welcome always kind of campy or whatever [TS]

00:55:13   before that I think you know there is it [TS]

00:55:16   was a show that was intellectual at its [TS]

00:55:17   best right arm and I think that was not [TS]

00:55:20   something that was very popular at that [TS]

00:55:21   point on television and and it really i [TS]

00:55:24   think it had a big impact that got [TS]

00:55:25   nominated for an emmy for best drama in [TS]

00:55:27   its last season sort of a valedictory [TS]

00:55:28   kind of thing but it's for sci-fi 4 star [TS]

00:55:31   trek I you know it really ended up with [TS]

00:55:33   that broad appeal and i did it i think [TS]

00:55:35   it led to people saying well crap we [TS]

00:55:38   should do some more sci-fi on TV and [TS]

00:55:40   then the floodgates really opened one of [TS]

00:55:43   the points I want to make is is you [TS]

00:55:44   watch the show now and you kind of have [TS]

00:55:46   to admire how how thoroughly committed [TS]

00:55:47   the actors are because over the course [TS]

00:55:50   of those seven seasons they had to spot [TS]

00:55:52   some really ridiculous dialogue with a [TS]

00:55:54   straight face that sci-fi that [TS]

00:55:56   well they're all pros this giant I think [TS]

00:55:59   that's part of the reason why the first [TS]

00:56:00   season is not so good because they're so [TS]

00:56:02   uncomfortable saying these ridiculous [TS]

00:56:04   things [TS]

00:56:05   yeah but you know they think if you [TS]

00:56:07   watch it after a while it's it's because [TS]

00:56:10   they took it seriously and and they [TS]

00:56:12   treated it they treated the roles as [TS]

00:56:14   dignified on honorable serious [TS]

00:56:16   well-rounded fully realize people that's [TS]

00:56:19   a hard thing to do when your job is I'm [TS]

00:56:22   vaguely telepathic and I walked around [TS]

00:56:24   giving useless advice or um which of [TS]

00:56:27   course describing Worf yes Archie there [TS]

00:56:32   is no honor in empathy or I'm an Android [TS]

00:56:37   who wishes that I were a real boy or [TS]

00:56:40   Jordan out LOL hoop or I'm an alpha male [TS]

00:56:43   who inexplicably is happy staying [TS]

00:56:45   second-in-command to a bald Frenchman [TS]

00:56:47   who has been was a tea fetish your [TS]

00:56:49   Polasky yeah there's a DVD special [TS]

00:56:51   feature that you should all watch if you [TS]

00:56:53   haven't seen it which is the which is a [TS]

00:56:54   java freaks and who plays Troy like I [TS]

00:56:57   remember her name [TS]

00:56:58   Marina surgery serious materials here [TS]

00:57:01   today with me and Johnny where they talk [TS]

00:57:02   about that they proposed a spin-off yes [TS]

00:57:05   yes a spin-off the the show with the the [TS]

00:57:07   other Rikers the Rikers and they talk on [TS]

00:57:09   and on like it come red dot people [TS]

00:57:12   really do it's just incredibly five play [TS]

00:57:14   trombone and you saying you know it's [TS]

00:57:16   great though they don't look baby I feel [TS]

00:57:18   like they didn't let them do enough [TS]

00:57:20   comedy any of them like that was one of [TS]

00:57:21   the things that's like they're funny [TS]

00:57:23   moments and there are funny a few funny [TS]

00:57:25   I was like yeah Fistful of datas was [TS]

00:57:27   really funny but by and large yeah but [TS]

00:57:29   there is a lot of is played very [TS]

00:57:31   straight and I think that's one of the [TS]

00:57:32   things you know I think they enter our [TS]

00:57:35   variable and I'm gonna wail well in deep [TS]

00:57:37   space nine I think had its fair share of [TS]

00:57:39   episodes that were really and truly [TS]

00:57:40   funny [TS]

00:57:41   yes i'm and and they let characters have [TS]

00:57:43   good lines and one-liners and quips and [TS]

00:57:45   stuff like that [TS]

00:57:46   I'm gonna have a little more sleep space [TS]

00:57:48   9 is probably the funniest and most most [TS]

00:57:50   tongue-in-cheek I think and the [TS]

00:57:52   mathematical expression hey no the next [TS]

00:57:55   generation is remarkably humorless i [TS]

00:57:56   played the robbery ethos though because [TS]

00:57:58   again in this perfect future when you [TS]

00:58:00   think about humorous of humor is a [TS]

00:58:02   natural reaction to a really imperfect [TS]

00:58:04   world it's a weight immediate things [TS]

00:58:05   like anger into stain and helplessness [TS]

00:58:07   and if you've got this perfect universe [TS]

00:58:09   then you know you have no need to have [TS]

00:58:11   any of those emotions because why would [TS]

00:58:13   you there's no conflict is nothing to [TS]

00:58:14   cause them so why would you cultivate a [TS]

00:58:16   sense of humor like and that's my [TS]

00:58:17   problem with it overall is that I think [TS]

00:58:19   you know we talked a little bit about [TS]

00:58:20   before about like this [TS]

00:58:22   the society is all perfect and clean and [TS]

00:58:24   everything and that would never happen [TS]

00:58:25   because they'd run into these other [TS]

00:58:26   races that would make you no arguments [TS]

00:58:28   with that and I think the problem with [TS]

00:58:29   that is it ignores the the imperfections [TS]

00:58:31   of humanity and I think that like I love [TS]

00:58:34   that's what I love about the later star [TS]

00:58:36   trek shows as they show you know what [TS]

00:58:37   it's not so perfect people argue their [TS]

00:58:40   disputes there's a whole rebels second [TS]

00:58:42   like the later version of ds9 and and [TS]

00:58:44   and Voyager like these guys don't want [TS]

00:58:46   to live in the Federation so I I think [TS]

00:58:49   there's something you know that's what [TS]

00:58:51   but ultimately wrong hollow for me [TS]

00:58:53   auntie angie is like it's great it's [TS]

00:58:54   very intellectual it raises some [TS]

00:58:56   interesting sort of hard sci-fi issues [TS]

00:58:58   but at the same time it feels so unreal [TS]

00:59:00   because it lacks humanity and their [TS]

00:59:02   state and bringing us down and see what [TS]

00:59:04   we promised he would [TS]

00:59:06   I'll be going now but start recognition [TS]

00:59:09   still better than Star Wars oh no take [TS]

00:59:16   that no better or worse i'm sorry those [TS]

00:59:19   words still makes oh wow [TS]

00:59:21   wait ok those words makes you do you [TS]

00:59:23   mean in general Scott or do you mean if [TS]

00:59:25   you averaged together the quality of all [TS]

00:59:26   six Star Wars films and TV series [TS]

00:59:29   arenĂ­t I don't think there are six Star [TS]

00:59:32   Wars Helms are there i think there are [TS]

00:59:34   only three look well even the clone wars [TS]

00:59:37   i think i think there were three star [TS]

00:59:38   wars movies and that was it ah yes the [TS]

00:59:41   first three that's actually coparenting [TS]

00:59:42   the one that God is is one when i [TS]

00:59:44   introduced the daughter to star wars do [TS]

00:59:46   i start with episode one and only sees [TS]

00:59:48   the chronological order child your [TS]

00:59:50   flight instincts on 123 Child Protective [TS]

00:59:53   Services will come if you start with one [TS]

00:59:55   that's right just just show her Star [TS]

00:59:58   Trek next generation season three [TS]

00:59:58   Trek next generation season three [TS]

01:00:00   and we'll be fine clearly excited at [TS]

01:00:03   first but if you haven't seen encounter [TS]

01:00:04   at Farpoint then all good [TS]

01:00:06   well save to save it save it for right [TS]

01:00:09   then how about that but then you don't [TS]

01:00:11   have to build up [TS]

01:00:12   I don't start with your say-so nothing [TS]

01:00:14   else I I watched you know I want to show [TS]

01:00:16   from beginning then counter Farpoint is [TS]

01:00:19   so terrible it is pretty good [TS]

01:00:21   oh well it's no great cgi for its day [TS]

01:00:24   they could draw a glowing grid on the [TS]

01:00:26   screen that was the extent of CGI iono [TS]

01:00:28   you know 9700 it's like that episode the [TS]

01:00:31   game where everybody gets addicted to [TS]

01:00:33   this holographic but not tonight i'm [TS]

01:00:36   just talking about is them trying to put [TS]

01:00:37   the ones you put the little ball and the [TS]

01:00:40   count originally questions and i was [TS]

01:00:42   watching and thinking really i love that [TS]

01:00:43   episode I'll oh I love you episode that [TS]

01:00:47   was gonna make my hated episode list I I [TS]

01:00:49   am I love that episode it's a hi Ashley [TS]

01:00:51   Judd is at her peak of cuteness and the [TS]

01:00:56   wesley body-snatcher thing i love that [TS]

01:00:59   he's the ends up being the only one [TS]

01:01:01   there and and he even gets taken over in [TS]

01:01:03   the end it I I it's cheesy but I love [TS]

01:01:06   that episode so I think there's a better [TS]

01:01:07   game based episode deep space nine if I [TS]

01:01:10   of course will you and you and dan can [TS]

01:01:13   go watch your deep space nine what could [TS]

01:01:16   have been done to save a rehab Wesley [TS]

01:01:17   crushers character not including him [TS]

01:01:19   just make it's just make them all [TS]

01:01:21   powerful yeah exactly making a traveler [TS]

01:01:23   and he goes away [TS]

01:01:24   I actually think the best thing that [TS]

01:01:26   they could have done was I mean I think [TS]

01:01:28   they intended to maybe bring him back [TS]

01:01:30   and then they decided they wouldn't but [TS]

01:01:32   it was a weird sort of thing where it's [TS]

01:01:34   all set up for Wesley to come back and [TS]

01:01:35   and be a legitimate incident and then he [TS]

01:01:37   doesn't come back and then then yes and [TS]

01:01:40   then he goes off of the with his friend [TS]

01:01:41   the traveler to travel the world and [TS]

01:01:43   award the other whatever got him he's a [TS]

01:01:46   traveling man [TS]

01:01:47   well I'm you know it takes it takes a [TS]

01:01:48   lot to come out as a traveler to your [TS]

01:01:50   mom so and he's inexplicably in the star [TS]

01:01:55   trek nemesis movie at will and Deanna's [TS]

01:01:58   wedding easy any has no lines because [TS]

01:02:01   he's a driver he's traveled this is the [TS]

01:02:03   producers doing us all because they like [TS]

01:02:04   well we know that well I thought there [TS]

01:02:05   was a conflict that will always talking [TS]

01:02:07   years ago about how [TS]

01:02:08   yeah when he was when he was less [TS]

01:02:10   popular and talking more openly about [TS]

01:02:12   some of the things was that they had a [TS]

01:02:13   lot of conflicts with them because the [TS]

01:02:15   decisions he made about running his own [TS]

01:02:16   life and such interesting [TS]

01:02:19   yes I think he had dialogue in that [TS]

01:02:21   movie and they just ended it because it [TS]

01:02:23   i think dialogue like so I've been [TS]

01:02:25   traveling around the universe with my [TS]

01:02:27   friend the traveler let me show you my [TS]

01:02:29   warp bubble I'm gonna record the part [TS]

01:02:33   where we say goodbye now because this [TS]

01:02:35   business following Bob's my acid over [TS]

01:02:37   our cast never ends [TS]

01:02:39   this is weird a time loop we are in a [TS]

01:02:41   time loop we are in a time loop [TS]

01:02:43   I'm gonna pop the bubble of the time [TS]

01:02:45   loop now like like data I realized that [TS]

01:02:49   the the the the repetition of the number [TS]

01:02:52   three throughout this podcast is let me [TS]

01:02:54   realize that if I fires the three [TS]

01:02:55   impulse engines i can avoid hitting [TS]

01:02:57   Frazier's shift but what about those [TS]

01:03:01   tossed salad and scrambled eggs their [TS]

01:03:04   goal again so i'm going to thank my crew [TS]

01:03:10   my motley crew of the starship [TS]

01:03:11   enterprise Dan Morgan thanks for [TS]

01:03:14   bringing us down [TS]

01:03:15   I'm always happy to bring people down [TS]

01:03:18   beam down if you will in the Indian [TS]

01:03:20   you're in the Syracuse lot I Lisa [TS]

01:03:22   Schmeisser great again having you on a [TS]

01:03:24   podcast [TS]

01:03:25   it was my pleasure Glenn fleischmann [TS]

01:03:28   thank you for being here and elevating [TS]

01:03:30   things by talking about that crazy [TS]

01:03:31   episode masks i am doing experimental [TS]

01:03:35   theater as I sit here right crazy [TS]

01:03:37   episode from a script by jovanovski and [TS]

01:03:40   Scott McNulty I wish they had made an [TS]

01:03:42   episode of the next generation that was [TS]

01:03:45   set in seventeenth-century New York City [TS]

01:03:48   with detectives it is the one glaring [TS]

01:03:51   fault of the series so until next time [TS]

01:03:55   thank you to everyone who has listened [TS]

01:03:57   to the income podcast this is jason [TS]

01:04:00   Snell your host signing off and i would [TS]

01:04:04   say something clever hear about like [TS]

01:04:06   live long and prosper with her [TS]

01:04:07   catchphrase for the next generation that [TS]

01:04:09   i should say your NBA games make it so [TS]

01:04:12   number one tea Earl Grey hot [TS]

01:04:17   there are four lights we are the board [TS]

01:04:20   you will be assimilated resistance is [TS]

01:04:22   futile [TS]

01:04:23   Leslie put that down [TS]

01:04:26   [Music] [TS]

01:04:51   like it's like cause and effect but in [TS]

01:04:57   opposite so that would be in my top in [TS]

01:05:00   my dad three that is one of the first [TS]

01:05:02   episodes i ever saw and as a result it [TS]

01:05:03   always has a special spot in my investor [TS]

01:05:06   also because there have been so many [TS]

01:05:07   good time loop episodes that I've seen [TS]

01:05:09   since then that always makes me think of [TS]

01:05:11   cause and effect that was that was the [TS]

01:05:12   one that was the the I mean they [TS]

01:05:14   actually had to work hard to make people [TS]

01:05:16   think it wasn't a mistake and now we see [TS]

01:05:18   the time loop episodes we go i see what [TS]

01:05:20   they're doing here but constant factors [TS]

01:05:22   like what are they doing everything we [TS]

01:05:24   need a whole we knew whole podcast upset [TS]

01:05:26   the timing doesn't where we just never [TS]

01:05:28   talked about them forever [TS]

01:05:29   yeah we just record one minute dude over [TS]

01:05:31   there were no reason to have ever [TS]

01:05:33   attended the incomparable podcast number [TS]

01:05:43   30 marks 2011 [TS]

01:05:48   we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

01:05:50   this is jason still I remember fondly [TS]

01:05:53   growing up watching the original Star [TS]

01:05:56   Trek every single night and but this is [TS]

01:05:59   not a podcast about Captain Kirk mr. [TS]

01:06:02   Spock it is instead about in some ways [TS]

01:06:05   the most successful Star Trek TV series [TS]

01:06:08   from the late eighties and early [TS]

01:06:11   nineties when I was in high school and [TS]

01:06:14   college Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

01:06:15   trackable not successfully [TS]

01:06:19   I'm decompressing to make sure [TS]

01:06:26   we are clear the distortion and what [TS]

01:06:28   happened the last moment I speculated [TS]

01:06:30   three might refer to the number of rank [TS]

01:06:32   insignia on commander Rikers uniform [TS]

01:06:34   that indicated to me that his suggestion [TS]

01:06:37   might be the correct course back [TS]

01:06:39   [Music] [TS]