The Incomparable

00:00:07 ◼   ► the incomparable part test 234 april [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we are back on the incomparable i am [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► jason l your host our topic today is [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► from page to screen we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► about books being made into movies or TV [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► shows the good examples if there are [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► such things [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► the terrible examples there are plenty [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► of those and joining me today to discuss [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► this we have Dan Morgan hi Dan jason [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► scott McNulty hello hello and John [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► siracusa good evening good evening [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► so this was a good idea brought up [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► actually by Scott McNulty so full credit [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► to him with the game of thrones having [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► just premiered on HBO TV series based on [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► a series of novels by george RR martin [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and we're going to talk about that [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► series probably a couple of times in the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► next couple of months but that's not [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► really as much the topic of tonight's [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► incomparable as it is a jumping-off [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► point now many of us I think have read [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► the novel game of thrones and i think [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► it's interesting that even after one [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► episode if you've seen it it's a very [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► faithful retailing and actually i didn't [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► get the heebie-jeebies from it like I i [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► have with some other adaptations as [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► anybody else just really quickly as [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► anybody else seen the first episode of [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► Game of Thrones haven't actually watched [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you guys suck okay i don't watch it John [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► watched him i didn't have read the books [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► though so I'm coming into it ah [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► interesting though I read the books and [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► I watched oh yeah what [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► so what did you think did it do the same [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► faithful to faithful not faithful enough [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I i did not get any heebie-jeebies good [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► just kind of you and me behind that I [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► thought was pretty faithful i mean i [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► read the books [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► long long ago but it's it reminded me of [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► what was happening in the book so that [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► seems good [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► I mean it with what it's an HBO series [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► so I think that kind of front-loaded [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► some more sex than was perhaps in the [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► first the beginning of the books to get [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► people interested in the fantasy show [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► but other than that yeah you know I [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► think I think it was faithful I I think [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► there's a lot of downloading to be done [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► about this world and i can understand [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► that would be kind of hard to get it all [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► I mean John you you haven't read the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► book but you watched it was it didn't [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► seem like you could you could follow it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► or was it sort of like wow without a map [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► i have no idea what's going on here [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► it was okay for our first episode III [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► didn't feel like it was racing away from [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► my understanding i was but they didn't [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► spend too much time dwelling on things [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► but they spent enough time that you [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► understood the players were and and you [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► know how the pieces are arranged on the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► board sort of so i think it struck a [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► good balance in terms of exposition and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► and drama [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► yeah I will worry bicep I season three [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► or four lost Rajas too many characters I [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► i think that i would be worried normally [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► about about something like that having [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► read the book I'd watch that first step [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► of soda say wow this is dense are people [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► going to get this but you know it's no [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► more dense than the wire [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► really yeah i mean there's there's [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► plenty of TV shows that are out there [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► and HBO is obviously a great example of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► org or something like madmen for example [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► is just like where there's a lot of [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► players but people are people are pretty [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► good at keeping those things straight [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► especially if they do as they appear to [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► have done here such a good job with [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► casting to the point of you know really [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► finding people who look like these [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► characters and are different enough so [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► it doesn't look like it and Martin's [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► books have a wide enough range of [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► characters that it's not like oh it's [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► another guy that I can't tell from any [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► of the other guys so in talking about [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► adaptations let's let's start with once [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► we think that are good and to to talk [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► about that i'm going to go to answer [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► because I think of nobody who is more [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► positive and and trying to illuminate [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► what's good in the world than john john [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► g houses some suggestions for good [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► adaptations i do I thought working some [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► negative stuff too because my good self [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► my first one is dune and this is a movie [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► that wasn't from the eighties yes and I [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► was long ago actually that was five I [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► believe yeah it was David Lynch was very [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► short very strange director who has a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► lot of character released within a [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► couple weeks of one of the ones i'm [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► going to talk about [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► strangely enough anyway and your image [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► and sting [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► yes yes so and Kyle make sure to [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► I'm not gonna hold up doing as like a a [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► a great movie about this one thing you [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► can say about for doing is that it's [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► interesting there's very little and a [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► movie that is expected or boring even [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► though it is a sci-fi movie so [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► everything about it is kind of weird [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► like it should be in a David Lynch movie [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► the character is a weird the [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► performances are weird the casting is [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► weird with that this thing doing there [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► the set design everything about it is [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► weird now if you compare it to the book [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► i know a lot of people really love the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► doing book but I didn't dislike I guess [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► I kind of did dislike the notebook is it [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► i just don't like Frank Herbert is a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► writer I just think he's boring and the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► book he was so wrapped up talk about [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► planting intriguing idea that's our own [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► there i think that's unfair because [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► after the first 250 pages dude picks up [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► oh oh oh no you're right it'sit's really [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► boring and then there's some action but [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► but seriously i looked and it was it's [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► about 250 pages of just death before you [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► get there [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► yeah and the thing about it is he's got [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► this very interesting world but [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► obviously david lynch didn't make up the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► source material so that the world that [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► Frank Harper made up and doing is very [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► interesting and has lots of cool things [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► in it [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► none of which he describes because he's [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► more interested in describing the sort [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► of political intrigue and he is [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► describing any of the very interesting [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► aspects of the society or technology i [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► which is why when David Lynch made the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► movie he could make the characters the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► settings the vehicles look like whatever [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► the heck he wanted other than the fact [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► that sandwich was probably look like [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► worms everything else was up for grabs [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► so he said fine you're not going to [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► describe anything your book i'm going to [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► make the ship's look like gigantic art [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► deco you know bed headboards or [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► something flying through the air and i'm [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► going to make the navigators look like [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► giant floating slug things and you know [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► he did just whatever that he wanted i [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► think that that freedom of frank herbert [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► not describing anything and not really [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► being a writer's writer and david lynch [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► being absolutely crazy and a director's [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► director produced this wonderful strange [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► movie that i think is better than the [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► book and most of the ways that movie can [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► be better than the book I mean obviously [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► doesn't really hold together as a movie [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and it's kind of nonsensical and then it [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► deviates from the book in many important [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► ways in terms of you know that the world [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► and then and that the magic powers in [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► the plot but i but i'm watching I'm like [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I don't care go ahead David Lynch show [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► me what you've got and I just just get a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► good vibe out of it home i thought [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► that's one of the best examples of book [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► that was like okay it's alright it's got [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► some crazy things about and frank [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► herbert's kind of a boring writer if you [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► put that kind of booked into the hands [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► of a very yeah talented quirky director [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► you get an interesting movie did you see [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► the sci-fi miniseries of doom [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► unfortunately thanks Harvey I don't know [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► we were going to TV if I had to go [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► things I was doing goes to a movie you [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► get this very interesting movie from [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► david lynch then it goes to TV [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► miniseries and if you're a big fan of [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the book you're like all finally [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► miniseries I give the room the books [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► room to breathe but you can see again [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► because there's no real descriptions of [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► stuff in the book you can do anything [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you want and the TV series what they did [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► was made [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► things not very interesting and kind of [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► ugly and the reduction sort of felt like [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► you know of what you'd expect from a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► sci-fi channel show right it was sort of [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► like the sci-fi channel version of doing [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► which is exactly what it was and it [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► looked like that it felt like that i [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► don't think it was that Latin it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it lived in the shadow of the David [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► Lynch 10 because he had such a defining [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► vision of what all this stuff is like I [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► think that maybe was more entertaining [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► but I it certainly didn't attempt to do [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► anything interesting [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► now yeah I don't wanna fight i mean i [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► don't think it was terrible as far as [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► sci-fi series go but it's really didn't [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► stick with me and it took Scott's point [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the sequel was atrocious [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► so yeah I know source material is [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► atrocious I don't have enough to stop [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► reading the source material for that do [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► not that after reading one Frank Herbert [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► book i was like he had enough of this [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► guy so my second one should i do my [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► second year ago somebody else not go for [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► ok so my second one this is an easy one [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► but what most people don't think of but [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► i do of course but such a big Stephen [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► King fan is Rita Hayworth and the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► shawshank redemption and I think this is [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► a perfect example because so many of [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► Stephen King's things have been made [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► into movies and so many of the movies [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► have been so terrible [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► now here's an example that I think [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► pretty much everyone can agree it's a [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► fantastic movie and the reason it's a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► fantastic movie is a few things one [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► stephen king is an amazing storyteller [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► not an amazing writer but an amazing [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► storyteller and two it's a short story [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it's not a novel so pretty much [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► everything he put on the page you have [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► room for a 22 and a half hour movie so [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► you get to take this story by a great [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► storyteller and play it out exactly as [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► it is in the book without having to drop [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► anything without having to crazy edits [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► and then the final thing is there's [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► nothing supernatural in this story every [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► time the supernatural stuff in a stephen [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► king book it kind of goes off the rails [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► when they try to fill it because either [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it's hokey and it only works when you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► write it but we try to film it looks [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► ridiculous or just they don't know how [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► to film with the right way or it's [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► supposed to be scary it just looks dumb [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► you know it's very difficult to do you [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► know supernatural horror very well in [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► film it's easier to do it in a book [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► where you're writing about it [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► so this this had no supernatural stuff [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► so they just ghosts from a straight [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► story about people with no magic and [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► you know a couple hundred pages and they [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► just put direct the film and give it a [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► good cast in a good director and makes [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► an excellent movie you know another [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► chance to John's point I think he makes [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► a really good point because I thought [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► about this in the past the short stories [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and movies are actually in some ways a [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► lot I feel like closer in in art form [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► than novels and movies and that's [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► because short stories are so economical [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► there's such a it so there's a unity [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► right of of point like it's very focused [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► it'sit's doesn't have a lot of [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► extraneous tangents you don't usually [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► have like a dude you know tons of [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► characters if there's something very [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► focused about it whereas in a novel you [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► know I feel like in some ways novels are [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► better adapted to things like TV series [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► as you're doing that came two thrones [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► because they give you a little time to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► delve into the side plots and you know [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► characters with their own things going [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► on there's a little more room to work on [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► something like that then there is to [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► condense into a knot into a movie in [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► which you know it's two hours two and a [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► half hours you've got to take stuff out [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you gotta throw out an entire train [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► these things that are the takeaway from [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► the main plot of the movie and stuff [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► like that so I think there is something [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► very interesting about adapting a short [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► story to movie as opposed to a novel it [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► really depends on the author to because [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► I mean even though this is a short story [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it's not like a you know 20 pager like [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► some people short stories it's a Steven [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► articles in nova or whatever button and [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Stephen King world short as you know 200 [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► pages 250 pages and that's just the [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► right length for a movie i probably [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► can't get away with going doing ten [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► fifteen thirty pager into into a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► feature-length movie or for most longer [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► short stories from throw authors that [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► tend to produce thousand-page books that [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► perfectly in that [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► and speaking of thousand-page books that [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► is my my final selection here which is [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings I you pick me first to [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► get the ticket before everybody else [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► now i'm a big fan of lord of the rings [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► books and for many years everyone you [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► know help Lord of the Rings up this as a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► series of books they're basically [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► unfilmable because they just they're [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► just too much in them too many settings [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► too much magic stuff too expensive but [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► through the magic of computer technology [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► suddenly the unfilmable became film [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► alone are within our lifetime and they [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► gave it to a director who dedicated his [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► you know many years of his life to it [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► and they got actors who were similarly [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► able to dedicate themselves [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► animated series of movies out of it and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► they weren't terrible which is quite a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► feat considering like all the Lord of [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► the Rings fans like all please don't [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► feel miserable just be horrible you'll [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► just be destroying these books I to make [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► them not terrible i think what they had [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► to do is decide you know this is a giant [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► 1,500 pages for the text or whatever [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► we're gonna have to pick some part of it [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► to concentrate on the movies and they [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► picked to concentrate on the stuff that [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► works well in the movies big epic quest [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► battles 12 characters that you follow [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► through the whole thing and then [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► everything else got cut [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► Tom Bombadil cut all the whimsical stuff [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► got cut all the you know how about [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► family stuff got cut all you know just [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► just cut mercilessly remove everything [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► that is you know that people love about [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► the books but just does not work in the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► movie and dedicate themselves fully to [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► the epic quest and sam and frodo and [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► doing the whole story on there are lots [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► of problems with those movies and some [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► of the choices I made [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► I don't really agree with if we ever do [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► a lot of the Rings episode we can talk [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► about them but to their credit i think [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► they made probably the best movie you [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► could have made especially in a first [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► attempt at making movies of these things [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► maybe if I live to be a ripe old age of [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► 95 some will try to refill these movies [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and have a different take and do it [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► better so that those are good movies to [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the point where my wife said I've never [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► read the book because I everything time [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► you describe it to me I'm terrified and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► I like the movies so that's good enough [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► i don't need anymore [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that's enough we have the expanded [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► additions and although this goes to the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► point that there's more story there it's [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► a long book 2 or series books if you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► want to be with that way it so they did [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► three movies and in fact there's a tit [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► like a 10-hour cut of the framing tables [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► too and we want we actually do that [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► every every Christmas we sort of do a [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► little Lord of the Rings festival we I [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► think we didn't do last year but but I'm [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► we try to do it every holiday for six [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► nights basically it's a disco night and [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► and you make your own little mini series [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► basically and it's great because those [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► are a really really fun and well well [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► made movies and I got a very different [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► feeling watching the movies and do [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► reading the book so much so that it [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► they're just they're barely related to [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► my mind because when i read the books [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► i'm thinking of like returning to a [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► world and then getting into all that [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► sort of you know [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► folklore and then whimsical stuff or [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► whatever and the movies are much more [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► about an adventure [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► alright everyone more thing before we [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► move on this is just in general love [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► when i was reading a book I guess couple [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► years ago I was thinking about things [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► that you can do in books that you can't [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► do in movies and then it most people [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► don't think about this think about the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► other way things you can do in movies [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► that can't be done in books because you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► just got words when you've got pictures [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► you can do so much more [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► so I was reading a deepness in the sky [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► by vernor vinge hope you're doing [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► episode on him eventually you will and [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► about half of that book is spent on this [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► this alien world where the spider aliens [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► are and there are characters there that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► you follow their just as important as [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► the human characters and these [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► characters have a work life and jobs and [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► and friends and family and romance and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► as a government and they have you know a [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► society and everything down there and [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► then not the space you've got the humans [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► and it's kind of a split 50-50 between [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► these two things parallel storylines and [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► then later in the book eventually the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► humans go down onto the planet and they [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► meet these elements of the first times [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and it's the first time that you get [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► narration from the humans point of view [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► of what they see when they see the [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► aliens and what they see is just like a [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► shiny exoskeleton and like legs [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► everywhere and hissing and clicking and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► little letting emotions from their [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► eyelids and everything going different [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► directions and at that point the book [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you realize that the point of view from [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► the spiderlings for the whole rest of [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► the book you're everything was being [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► translated into human terms for you you [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► know they didn't say in it when you when [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► they were describing the spider world [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► that the spider wave it slant na and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► made this clicking noise around like [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► they just they just played out as if [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► there were humans and it made you relate [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► to them and only when the two things [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► come together do you realize how [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► incredibly alien these things are how [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► different they are from humans even [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► though from the spiders perspective [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► everything is normal from the human [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► perspective that just horrible hideous [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► creatures you know and this is this [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► moment you can't have a moment like this [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► in a movie because either you show the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► spiders from the very beginning as being [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► hideous spider aliens who don't speak [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► and don't have normal language don't [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► have normal gestures and you know it [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► you've already doing mid smells or wave [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► their tentacles around or whatever and [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► tennis whatever or you show them humans [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► instead of spiders and then when you [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► reveal that there spiders you know then [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► that the audience feels like it was a [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► cheat you know you could try to use some [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► sort of visual device to to say how you [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► know you were showing them as humans to [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► not put you off of them but really [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► they're spiders the whole time and the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► audience would not like that [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► so this lack of visuals in the book was [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► not going to hide the fact that spiders [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► in the book right from the beginning [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► they said yeah these are spider aliens [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► and they just go on and draw you into [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the lives of these spider aliens the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► fact that there's no pictures constantly [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► reminding you that these are spider [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► aliens allows the book to do something [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► you could never do in the movie because [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► it doesn't have any pictures in at home [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► and that one particular scene i was the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► first time I realized that there was you [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► know something that besides length and [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► you detail and stuff that you can do [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► just because books are so much longer [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► than then the movies that you can do in [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► books you actually can't do movies [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► because they lack pictures and that was [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► my favorite moments of that that book [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► yeah and I i do think it is unfilmable a [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► good story though [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's on film over for [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► other reasons too but but just for that [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the spider aliens humanity thing just [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► would not work i'm screaming there's no [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► way to pull it off [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► you've got to stop right with that oh no [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► it's not gonna happen [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► dan do you have a recommendation or two [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► of good adaptations i was looking [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► casting my sort of eyes over my [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► bookshelf as I was sitting here trying [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► to think which of these books have been [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► made into movies and and some of them [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► have actually there are several on my [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► bookshelf that are due to be made into [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► movies which I'm interested to see but [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► most of the ones that I'm coming up with [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► are not science fiction or fantasy books [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► but like things like mysteries and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► another other sort of genre books and [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► and so I feel you know I don't know [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► maybe it's a cheap but a one of my one [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► of my favorite books by one of my [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► favorite authors is the big sleep by [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► raymond chandler which is a fantastic [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► mystery book circa nineteen forties [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► leaving the 39 maybe was written it was [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► made into a movie in 46 with Humphrey [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Bogart and Lauren Bacall and it's an [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► absolutely fantastic movie of an [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► absolute [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► a fantastic book and i think it's it's [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► hard you'd be hard-pressed to do an [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► adaptation maybe that's something [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► there's something about that that's very [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► much related to the time in which was [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► written or filmed but i feel like you [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► know it would be hard to do a modern [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► adaptation of today or to do it well but [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► there's there's something that's a big [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► challenge I think in many ways because [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the plot of a of something like a [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► Raymond Chandler mystery well you know [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► mysteries you often often think of them [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► as being related to the plot but I think [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► such a big appeal from Chandler is the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► language and you know as much as you can [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► translate some of that into dialogue [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► there's so much stuff that doesn't get [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► me doesn't make that jump like John was [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► saying like the you know unless you have [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► a voiceover narration which lends a [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► whole different quality to your movie as [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► you know anybody who's watched three [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► different versions of blade runner [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► wallet asked me if I may have stopped my [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► short story or yeah actually or is that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► an oval exactly what the ball two novel [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► i read I've read it Irene yes I've as [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► well it seems like a shorter than shot [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► at redemption but I mean something like [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► that in terms of you know it's hard to [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► film something like that relies so much [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► on on the pros right it's hard to do a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► great translation of that and yet the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► movie ends up being you know quite [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► gripping in its in its own way and so [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► that's that's one example of something [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► that I that I quite enjoyed I'm trying [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► again I'm coming up with all this stuff [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► I feel like that that i really like that [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► is not did that is sort of out of our [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► DIY I've got an honor and my list too so [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► don't have that so ok so altar and then [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► a couple of adaptations of works by the [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► corner with a salon y 0 0 which was we [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► can't i can i'm going to 1 i'm going to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► say hi fidelity and we said about a boy [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► then because which is also also a good [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► movie yes an excellent movie and an [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► excellent book yeah and so again [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► hornby someone else who's writing is [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► such a huge like you know he's got great [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► prose absolutely really knows how to [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► craft a sentence as hard to make that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► transition to film because you know his [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► plots good news characters are good too [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► which is what makes the film you know [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► about a boy so good you know enjoyable [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► yeah but at the same time you you know [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► oh there's it's a totally different [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► experience reading the book and so i [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► think i read the book after i had seen [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► the movie and you know there is that as [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► you're talking with your wife you know [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► there's that the disparities like wow I [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► like the movie I mean maybe I like the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► book but you know my just gonna be [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► picturing the same characters and yet [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► for me it was totally you know totally [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► different experience you know [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► yes it was a story although it's the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► same story and the same characters it [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► feels like something it feels like a [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► different telling of the story of how [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► well they understand there are also some [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► changes in the in the movement from from [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the book and likewise high-fidelity I [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► mean first off and set in Chicago [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► instead of in London and they're all [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► there are other things about it that are [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► very different but in the same in the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► same way i think both of those movies [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► have the have a sort of spirit of the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► book and the heart of the book is is [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► where it should be and as a result they [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► both work even though i'm a huge fan of [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► his work and of those books and I I [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► didn't feel offended by the changes they [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► made because I felt like they were they [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► were smart changes made for adapting it [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► to a different medium which i Ken saying [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that they respect the spirit i think is [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► really important like they do they [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► somehow fit totally with with what he's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► the story he's generally tell and i [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► would love to see he's written at least [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► three other books that i think would be [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► just excellent [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► you know adaptations including a long [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► way down [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► slam which always I'm gonna be great [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► yeah and a podcast and his most recent [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► one Juliet naked which is a great just a [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► great lackeys an expert at crafting [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► stories and and like like John saying [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► let's even kinghorn we can tell a great [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► story and I think that that have really [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► helps when you're translating something [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► from from page to screen trying to think [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► if there's one other thing on my so [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► actually I'm going to let me let me [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► branch off of something you said there [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► which is we're talking about these [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► movies that made changes to the book and [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► i think it's worth at least touching on [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► for a minute there can be adaptations [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► that fail because they honor the source [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► material too much and I think there are [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► medications that are successful because [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► they don't know is whether the slavish [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► adaptation right is yeah is a problem in [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► some ways if you are [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► if hearing so closely to the weather of [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► the book that you miss a book is not a [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► movie right you know they're [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► fundamentally two different forms like [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► Dom saying there's things you can't do [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► in a movie that you can do in a book and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► vice versa and so you know if you're [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► trying to get here so closely then it [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► loses it's like trying to make a [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► photocopy and you know you might get [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► sort of some of the fidelity but if you [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► make a photocopy of a painting or [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► something you know it's not you you're [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► trying to reproduce it so exactly that [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► you're you lose something of the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► original in that and and I think it's [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► you know best when you put it in the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► hands of somebody who's really an artist [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► in their own particular you know media [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► right I think that's case number one [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► item number one on the case against [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► watchman is that is that he tried so [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► hard to be faithfully you know including [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► shot-by-shot recreations of panels and [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► in the end the most interesting thing in [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► that movie and I don't think it's as bad [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► as most people think it is but not [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► enough saying parts of it are terrible [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► but um but the most interesting thing in [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► the entire movie I think that everybody [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► seems to like is the opening credits [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► where he does something different that [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► fits the medium that he's in even though [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► he's telling the same story and the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► opening credit montage is fantastic and [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► then you know but the rest of that movie [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► is with the exception of trying to fix [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► the the the ending which is kind of [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► broken in the original to its it's so [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► it's honoring the the gravity which is [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► great and i love it so much so that I [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► think it stifles the movie i think it [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► actually kills it and that is another [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► great you know example of that sort of [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► thing although it's going from film to [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► film is Gus Van Sant's attempt to do a [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► shop by shop remake of psycho which [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► totally loses the thread [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► I mean you know again what you're trying [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► to it there's a question of why but [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► there's also a well clearly there's [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► something going out going on in you know [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► something on you know intangible going [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► on in the original if you can copy a [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► shot-by-shot and you go from making a [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► one of the like best [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► you know thriller movies ever 21 works [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► throughout the movies ever [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► clearly there's something that you're [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► missing there and I think that's the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► danger of [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► adapting a visual story to another [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► visual medium right because you know [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► graphic novels you have you can see it [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► so you're tempted I imagine I've never [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► made it with me but I would imagine that [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► I would be tempted i love this graphic [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► novel so much I want to take like the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► guys already laid out what it looks like [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► so i can take that and just make it into [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► my movie and it should be perfect and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► sadly it is not that's kind of us are [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► called because like at this point comics [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► especially about time watch men are [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► being influenced by cinema so it's like [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► it's a circle around where people are [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► putting in comic panels cinematic points [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► of view or things that they've seen in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► movies and then that gets fed back into [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► a movie that gets fed back into the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► comic books that are there are certain [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► things that are standard for comic books [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► things that are standard forms but at [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► this point they're so mixed up that it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► like it for someone who hadn't read the [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► group The Watchmen graphic novel and I [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► saw the movie [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► sometimes I could pick out obviously [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► they doing that thing where they picked [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► a cell from that you know frame from the [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► comic book and they're doing on screen [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► but other points i could totally not [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► telling only later when i went through [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► the graphic novel that I see how that's [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► actually something from the novel i was [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► sure that was just something that was [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► put in the movie because it's so [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► cinematic and and what I see in the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► comic books like a freeze frame from a [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► movie instead of vice versa [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► huh that's a good point that's a good [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► point just got what about you do you [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► have some sterling examples of [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► adaptations for us [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► well sterling I don't know about butBut [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► fun yes so and this one I don't know if [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► it was going to Ruth you're not but i [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► did enjoy the most recent hitchhiker's [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► guide to the galaxy movie which I didn't [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► get very good reviews and I heard [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► someone say you so that was maybe as I [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► may be alone in this but i think yeah I [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► didn't I didn't I didn't load that I [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► don't think I felt badly about it is as [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► other people do but I you know it wasn't [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► a perfect movie but I was disappointed I [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► was disappointed by it more than and [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► it's not love the source material so [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► much it did have its moments [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that's why I enjoyed the moments I any [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► movie that starts with dolphins singing [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► a song it's really okay in my book [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► and so it can only go up from there or I [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► guess down from there you had never read [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► a book do you think you would have [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► enjoyed the movie at all [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► I probably not i think that i love the [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► much that it gained a halo effect and [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► the because you know what they're doing [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► like they did select this seemed like it [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► was like selected scenes from the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide and if you ever read [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► the whole thing the selected seems like [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► oh yeah I remember that party during a [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► movie now I look at it in a different [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► part you know but there was simply [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► didn't you know i can see that another [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► example of a book that it you know you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► could argue is unfilmable and of course [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► you know maybe nothing's really [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► unfilmable in this day and age but again [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► there's something so in eight in in the [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► way the Adams writes that well and yet [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► the BBC series miniseries isn't it you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► know is I think better you know tied [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► into the well the novel that material is [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► too long for a movie and the other thing [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► is it's like then was saying that the [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► transitions in the book from one Rico's [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► think the next happen because of douglas [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► adams writing so he brings you from you [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► know 1 plus the other unless you're [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► going to translate his writing directly [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► into a voiceover and do it in a [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► long-running miniseries this you can't [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► visually transition from one set of [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► events together without Douglas Adam [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► writing you through it tonight is toss [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► up the guide in most cases and have the [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► guide you know and and that can work or [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► not that happens in the in the TV series [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the BBC TV series as well we're all of a [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► sudden you're back in the guide and I I [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► think of the movie they they they did a [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► pretty interesting job of trying to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► weave the hitchhiker's guide itself into [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► the into the story but i suppose it [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► might make no sense if you haven't read [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the book and it takes you out of the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► movie experience that once you once even [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► let us probably voiceover is there any [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► sort of thing where you have like a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► title card right you're taking me out of [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► the cinematic experience and saying now [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► we're going to read your blog and now [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► we're going to take your buddy Silver's [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► yeah i mean this the shawshank [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► redemption has voiceover I mean like you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► know there is there yet but it is not [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► time in place for them but the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► voice-over is not from the book the [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► voice-over is a device to make the movie [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► work it's not like show crazy scene then [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► grabbed three power is out of the book [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► and put them up on the screen as a [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► voice-over and then show another crazy [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► see you know but i think i think what [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► they were trying to do in the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► hitchhiker's movie is something it as i [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► recall having only seen once something [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► almost more like I like what they didn't [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► scott pilgrim where it's it's like a [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► trying to be kind of this overlay [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► multiple you know where modern people we [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► multitask and here's this crazy [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide because in some ways [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► the hitchhiker's guide as a concept [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► makes more sense now than it did then in [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► a way it's more real because we have [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► like Wikipedia and iPads and things like [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that it's true and and so I kind of [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► think of it as like a at least in the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► movie they kind of get like a pop-up [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► video kind of thing right so they would [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► be the the entry and hitchhiker's guide [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that Stephen Fry would read because he [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► was the voice of the trackers got in the [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► movie was related to whatever action [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► maybe not directly but in some way that [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► was happening in the movie so kind of [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► gay and not you know i know this movie [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► is not great but I enjoyed it so it kind [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► of gave people who haven't read the book [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► an idea of what's going on [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► all right at least that's what they were [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► trying any other suggestions [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► Scott well i will suggest i only like [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► this movie because i hated the book so [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► much [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► ah so I i will say harry potter i enjoy [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the movie much more than I enjoyed the [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► book did you watch other harry potter [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► movies i have watched all the harry [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► potter movie is a matter of fact and [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► refuse to read any of the books after [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► the first one very interesting [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► Scott and I to harry potter haters who [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► have all seen all the movies it's right [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► I like Harry Potter even though I have [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► to admit this as i'm reading them out [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► loud to my kids that she's really not a [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► very good writer she's a good thank [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► world builder and you can you know she's [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► good world builder and that comes across [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► the movies and she I think she gets [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► better as a writer as she goes along she [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► clearly learns are inherently podcast [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► talking talking about i think it does i [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► think I hydrated editor more later but [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► she's a better writer i think i think [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► it's this weird thing where she got less [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► editing because she was famous but she [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► was also actually working hard writing [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► these huge books and was just it was [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► getting better at her craft as she went [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► which is weird so she ended up being [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► kind of like need still needing an [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► editor but clearly being better what [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► she's doing [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► then she was at the beginning but the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► world building is great and that leads [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► to these great movies that are a lot of [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► fun because there is some so much [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► interesting stuff to base the movie on [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► because it's she's got a plot and she's [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► got an interesting world which is a good [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► source material for a movie i was going [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► to hold these movies up as an example of [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► even though i haven't read the books as [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► an example of movies that suffered from [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► being too faithful for the book not that [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► they took everything that was in the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► books and put it in there but they felt [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► the need to us at all we gotta have the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► element X so we gotta have character why [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► are we going to have elements see and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► they they did that too much they didn't [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► cut enough so what you end up with [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► especially for someone who hasn't read [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► the book and especially in later movies [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► are these movies where it's like Andrew [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► this this character in this plot point [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► and don't forget about this character [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► this plot point and by the way this [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► character this plot point and we'll hit [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► about this backstory but now it was too [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► many little things that were to just [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► jointed because they could not bear to [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► not have this thing in the movie when [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► really to make a better movie you should [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► have cut those characters combined [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► characters into one you know maybe I i [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► can see why you're saying that but [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► having read the books they actually do a [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► lot of that that I didn't have enough [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► they threw I think through as much out [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► as they thought they could get away with [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► a couldn't like combined characters for [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► example but I I do [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► having just seen one of these the other [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► day we my kids saw the fourth one for [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► the first time because we're watching [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► them after we read the books and boy [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► they they did a lot of compression [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► compression which was good because it's [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► a really long book and a lot of the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► stuff could just get tossed out the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► whole subplots get tossed out and things [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► get shortened down and simplified and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► you know what they couldn't actually did [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► a pretty good job of the plot resolution [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► at the end because the book has got two [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► chapters of just painful plot exposition [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► at the end was like let me explain [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► everything that's been happening behind [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► the scenes while this entire book went [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► it's so awful and in the movie it's [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► handled much more straightforwardly my [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► wife was telling me that the big problem [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► from respect that because she's at [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► basically Harry Potter scholar at this [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► point the box [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► the big problem was that they started [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► filming the movies before the books were [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► done so because they didn't know where [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► this series we're going they didn't know [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► what was important and by the time you [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► get three or four movies in you like we [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► didn't even show this in movies 1 and 2 [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► because we didn't think it would be [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► important but now in book five and six [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► becomes super important and now we have [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► to fill you know backfill i read an [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► article on anything [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► weekly a few years back but said that [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► they actually had a few questions like [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► that road and JK Rowling approves all [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► the screenplays and she actually gave [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► them note saying no you can't get rid of [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► this character here because they are [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► important later [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► even though she hadn't written and [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► published all the books yet she knew [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► where the plot was going so they did [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► some of that at least where she was like [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► no no you can't take that out that [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► someone could have been worse but from [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► it from my wife's percentage and I think [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► that's what I'm saying it could have [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► been less interested there's the matter [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► of this week's podcast it could have [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► been worse along along those lines are [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► really similar genre any-to-any CS lewis [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► fans yeah I was a kid I read all those [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► books I mean I i really have a fun spot [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► for some of the books though going back [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► and reread them at you know when [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► slightly older you know there's a lot [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► there's a different reading you get when [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you have an adult reading I totally [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► missed the whole thing about ashlynn [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► being Jesus yeah I think I i think that [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► probably as it has a war you know the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► child of a family that didn't really [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► know go to church have much in the way [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► of religious upbringing that totally [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► flew over my head as well [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► that said I still think Lewis is a great [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► storyteller and several books on their [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► own are excellent excellent stories i [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► mean the voyage of the dawn treader i [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► have not seen the movie which is came [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► out but you're like last year i guess [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► but that book remains you know I'm very [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► a it I idea has a very fond memory for [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► me because it's very me and then later [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► you know comparing with other things [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► that reminds me very much of something [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► like The Odyssey and it's got this was [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► sort of a whole plot about you know [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► going on this this lengthy boat ride [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► with all these adventures and stuff like [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that and i thought i only saw the first [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► of the movies which was okay i think to [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► a certain extent they do fall into that [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► trap of trying to remain a little bit [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► too faithful and and it comes across as [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► somewhat bloodless yeah diversity there [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► there are some good points in it and [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► there are some nice performances in some [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► you know a couple things elements that I [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► really did like but on the whole yeah it [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► does come across as a little bit too i [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► don't know just maybe just a little bit [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► too bloodless and I did not see [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► I heard the second one was better I [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► didn't see it for a second was better on [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► my I'm asking i say i was gonna say you [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► hit it right on the nose with blood [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► listen that the first movie was the best [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► of them in terms of building the world's [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► feel alive and making it feel like [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► there's something at stake in making [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► care about the characters in the red the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► second was their third movie I don't [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► know if I've seen all them but it was [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► the third they get progressively more [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► generic and just nothing is at stake and [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► you're not really excited about anyone [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► that is going through the motions yeah [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that I'd argue that the best of the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► books maybe the ones that are tangential [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► to thats whole series which are the [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► horse and his boy and the magician's [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► nephew in that they sort of they aren't [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► about the characters that we follow [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► through the first three or four books [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► and they kind of stand on their own a [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► little better so i don't know if they'll [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► get around you know if it was i suppose [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► as long as those movies keep making [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► money than they keep making them but I [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► don't know if they'll get around to [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► those because they don't follow the sort [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► of main plot right so I've got I've got [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► some things to speak of positively iíve [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► actually i'm slightly cheating i have a [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► children's book a a non jon renau novel [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► and a graphic novel that I'll mention in [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► turn the children's book is The Iron [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► Giant based on the iron man i love this [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► movie and you know at some point movie [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► had some point we could even when we [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► talk about children's movies which I [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► think we're going to do I can I could [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► rhapsodize about it more but i love the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► movie I think it's a great movie [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it's brad bird before he went to Pixar [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► and made the incredibles and ratatouille [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► he made the Iron Giant and it sort of [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► sticked at the box office but gosh it's [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► a great movie and and based on a you [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► know some source material that's a [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► little bit different but a beloved [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► children's book called the Ironman and [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► so iron giant i think is a great example [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► of again you've got a you've got a book [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► with illustrations and a story but it's [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► not a particular you know it's not a [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► children's novel and then it's expanded [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► on and and made into this great movie [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► I got ya i'm actually just getting [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► goosebumps when you're talking about [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► just because I'm remembering the movie [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► is such a great movie today and [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► especially the you know the the climax [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► in the end of that room gets a little [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► dusty at the end of that movie so it is [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► it is a little eyes get along bad [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► yes oh yeah it's it's well done though [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► it's a very good movie i only saw it I i [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► first saw the movie just a few years ago [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► I mean it came out when the nineties [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► it's literally old i think i was a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► teenager or something when it came out [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► but I'm i saw just a few years ago and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► really I just really adored it's great [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► movie and it features the the vocal [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► stylings of hair country [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► yeah generate jennifer aniston and [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► commentaries elad the iron giant beast [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► was the iron giant that's right a role [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► he was our-our 1999 that that film came [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► out another one that i love and we [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► talked about this earlier when I grabbed [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► Dan high-fidelity unicorn be one of my [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► favorite writers i love this movie to [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► this is actually and and i love the book [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► and they are different but you know that [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► it's hearts in the right place the the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► characters are strong john cusack is [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► exactly as much of a an idiot who has [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► got a lot to learn about life and about [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► his relationship with other people [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► especially women and just does a great [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► job eh you know i think it's it's a [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► great performance by him great direction [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► by stephen frears of interesting so [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► English director reset the movie into [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► America and then have an English [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► director love that movie I and that's [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► one of those movies that i can watch [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► again and again and and and I just [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► really liked it even though they made a [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► bunch of changes to it it's still really [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► is holds up [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and I'd hasn't changed my [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► feelings about the book the book is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► great the movies great they're a little [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► they're both great and for the in the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► graphic novel category i mentioned watch [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► men being a bit of a failure I'm going [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► to turn it around with another alan [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► moore selection which is V for Vendetta [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► which I really love it hits hits me just [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► write it i really like that movie [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I interesting affecting has some [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► interesting things to say I think about [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► politics without being too preachy I [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► actually think that you can view it in a [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► bunch of different ways and I think it [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► makes them interesting statements about [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► totality arianism ended yet it's got a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► 1984 kind of vibe and a lot of nods to [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► 1984 it right down to the fact that John [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► Hurt is in it who was in the movie 1984 [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► and I've got the graphic novel and the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► graphic novel is good but i think they [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► did a good job and in in translating it [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► and and you know it it's easy to mess [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► something like this up as watch Ben I [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► think showed and I don't think they did [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► with the fervent vendetta in fact if you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► view this it was directed by james [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► McTeague but it was produced by the wash [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► house keys and if you view this through [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► the lens of how how bad the matrix [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► sequels were what-what-what matrix [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► sequels if you view anything through [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that lens looks better [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► that's that's true i think we should [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► talk about bad movies [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► let's get negative that's all i can [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► think about who's all right I'll aalam [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► i'm going to start and say that one of [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► the mood one of the books that i [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► actually have always enjoyed and was one [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► of my favorite books when I was a [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► teenager is arthur c Clark's sequel to [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► his novel 2001 called 2010 and I really [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► liked that book it's got a lot of [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► interesting stuff in it some interesting [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► characters some interesting stuff [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► happens and then they made the movie and [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► it's not just the peter hyams is no [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► Stanley Kubrick but that movie is is bad [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► it's bad in lots of ways it takes some [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► liberties when it shouldn't and then is [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► devoted to the story in ways that it [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► shouldn't be and omits the best scene [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► which kills me [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► probably for budgetary reasons the best [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► scene the scene that sticks with me more [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► than any other the scene that gave me [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► chills when I read when I reread it on [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► new year's eve 2010 I i spent a couple [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► hours and i reread some of the novel and [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► I didn't they just didn't [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► they took it all out they didn't even [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► try to film it or even mention it they [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► just took it all out butchered bad movie [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► enjoyable book think it's a bad [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► reputation sequels the other sequels [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► aren't as good but i really enjoyed that [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► book i think it was interesting to have [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► arthur c clarke kind of reclaim his part [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► of the story separate from the movie but [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► then they made a movie and a big mistake [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► and bad movie and it came out within a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► couple weeks of dune by the way at one [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► point they were both playing [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► side-by-side in my local local adduplex [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► movie house in the small town that I [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► grew up in I I you you remind me this by [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► mentioning Eleanor and alan moore of [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► course you famously does not want his [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► name on any movie that is made out of [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► his his comic books but i will say keep [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► the league of extraordinary gentlemen [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► it's a pretty good comic book on a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► narrowboat movie that is one of the one [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► of the worst movies i may have ever seen [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► in a movie theater and again not for [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► lack mean not for lack of trying in some [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► ways I mean I do love to have a special [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► place in my heart for Sean Connery and [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► yet he does not that is not a good [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► revision in any way shape or form and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► Alan Moore's is right to have taken his [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► name off of them [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► Scott can you be negative now I can be [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► negative so I i have to preface this by [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► saying that uh when I was younger I [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► would follow I still do this I fall into [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► certain moods and i obsessively read [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► certain authors or genres and so at some [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► point i came across one of l ron [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► Hubbard's [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► he wants fiction writer before he was a [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► founder of a religion and I get your but [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► you're not going to believe this is [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► scott but before I was deciding whether [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► i wanted to mention battlefield earth or [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► let you go [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► ah really serious i wrote it down [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► battlecruiser is a battlefield earth is [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► going exactly the book it's i read the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► book and I mean it's not a great piece [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► of literature but I'll ron Hubbard is [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► not a great writer but he's a pulp you [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► know a pulp sci-fi writer so his books [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► are fun [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► I'm i Dianetics in those books are a [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► different kind of literature so [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► battlefield earth as a book is a fun [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► book it's really long and then you get [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► John Travolta who is a devout [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Scientologist who wants to bring you [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► know l ron Hubbard's masterpiece to the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► through the screen right and and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► speaking of slavish devotion to the book [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► he just films this i think it was 16 [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► hours long movie that is just awful only [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► seemed like it was that like that that I [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► tried to watch that movie in and just to [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► make fun of it with friends cars we end [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► usually that goes pretty well we [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► couldn't get through like however it was [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► so terrible that movie is so bad you [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► can't even make promises i watch the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► whole thing [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► no you know so bad it's funny this is so [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► bad it's funny that you haven't murdered [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► yourself exactly i would be bad i would [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► not recommend that he would watch [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► battlefield [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► yeah no don't don't just hit you might [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► say to yourself well get the rifftrax [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► and about no no don't it's not worth it [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► read the book the book isn't all that [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► great but it's much better than the [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► well he wasn't you know he was a pulp [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► sci-fi writer before he was a founder of [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► a religion and and its trip that you can [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► he could do fun stuff [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► yeah i mean i read a lot of his books he [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► wrote a ten-part series mission earth [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► which I read which is a lot of fun i [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► hope John Travolta does not make any [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► mission of movies i would i would i [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► would like to see somebody going in the [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► other direction start religion and then [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► become a pulp science fiction author you [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► know if Jesus is written top science [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► fiction for example might have very [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► different out he went under the sun [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► under the pen-name ass land oh wait a [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► second I see what you did there come [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► that may be the worst movie ever made by [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► anyone in the United I don't know if [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► they made it all the way down the bottom [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► of the AMD bottom 100 but I about pretty [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► sure it's in there [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► I'm just trying to think of other [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► terrible movies made throughout history [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► and and imagining if they were novel [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► sprite it's like the guy the guy who [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► wrote geely not always ago they messed [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► up my book and read everything through [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► and my book the guy who wrote the novel [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► from Justin to Kelly he must be furious [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► when they made that well that's my [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► allergy or didn't want his name on that [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► movie because there's a great comic book [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► now I mean well yeah but they took out [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► the swamp thing entirely when they [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► remade this from Justin to Kelly it's a [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► shame it did it [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► yeah I believe Justin he was the floor [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► onic man in the original comic think [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► that I think that's right yes starship [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► troopers is also another movie that I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► think not out clearly not as bad [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► battlefield earth i know i like that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► movie I I don't have to analyze and my [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► starship troopers it's it's interesting [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► though because in some ways it has a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► very antithetical I think point compared [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► to the book like there's a movie that [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► was made that has a you know kind of the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► almost the opposite [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► yes I don't think that looking i think [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it's i think it's just morally I think [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► it's more of a satire and ave potatoes [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► au gratin potatoes so far in the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► direction like it takes an earnest [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► message and does it even more earnestly [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► to the point you're like okay no one can [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► be this earnest this must be a sad time [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► right so right but i think i like to [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► think that I'm yeah I think that's the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► point right exactly i mean like [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► highlands very serious about what he was [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► what he was talking about in terms of [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► you know the military whereas the you [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► know clearly the movie I mean get no [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► farther than dressing up Neil Patrick [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► Harris not basically a Nazi help like [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► not all right you're making a point here [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah its memory is it's not a terrible [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► movie and someone's going to great movie [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► i like it because i like it because [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► Jughead to watch that movie think it's [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► about how awesome the army if that's a [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► favorite thing for me about that [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► propagates it's a satire that most [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► people don't view as a sad [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► that's the most successful kind because [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► you'll see tons of people like starship [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► troopers is awesome man with those bugs [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and shoot them [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that's what the majority of the public i [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► feel thinks about when they see starship [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► troopers and i just missed the entire [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► rest of it [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► one that i wanted to mention the golden [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► compass anyone read that I'm not [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► available feel successful a movie that [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► they didn't go on and make the other [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that movie was awful and the book is [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► delightful [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► I've heard I've heard that those those [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► books are actually very good and I've [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► been meaning to read those books I I [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► think they're they're deeply deeply [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► flawed and and i think that the the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► first book there there's some great [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► stuff in there but I that first book is [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► really problematic and I think they got [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► the movie wasn't any good either [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► although it did have giant armored polar [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► bears fighting at one point which if [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► there's anything redeeming in that in [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► that movie it was that true about the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► books like SuperDuper anti-religion [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► that's why the movies were no good if [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that's the case because you can make a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► movie that sense of religion because no [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► one will go see it but apparently you [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► can make a series of fantasy books and [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► while auntie organized religion and [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► people buy them yeah there's a lot of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► stuff in that movie in those books that [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► is this kind of I mean I you know I [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► won't say that it wasn't successful [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► because it didn't sell but because [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► there's up there's a problem with the [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► plot and character isn't he an issue [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► okay so it's not it's not necessarily [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► that it's preachy about what it's pretty [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► well I think it's poorly i think it's [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► poorly written in some ways there's [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► there's some stuff that's not you know [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► it's just there are some stuff in there [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► in those books that is is quite sloppy [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► from a writing perspective in my opinion [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► Scott did you like the books i did like [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the books I i don't recall anything that [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► happened didn't but when i was on home i [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► did enjoy them actually just a hypnotic [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► suggestion that you will feel refreshed [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and enjoy the enjoyed the books accepted [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► no actual plot no plot and I I the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► movies was awful [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► the book was not all [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► alright there's a lot of that there is [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► that there are more bad applications [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► than good adaptations for I think screen [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► there more but they're more bad movies [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► then there are good movies i think two [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► is anyone seen screamers there's a bad [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► movie based on and philip k dick short [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► story [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► philip k dick is really a and I have a [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► rifle through every single thing he's [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► written now and turn it into a movie i [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► think with with varying degrees of [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► success [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► yes right blade runner one ball total [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► recall you [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► Blade Runner is a good example of of [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► taking taking a book are novel and then [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► making a movie that has the same title [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► but had never entitled call you don't [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► mean that we wanted android your [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► electrical work if that but you know to [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► me it's it's based on a novel but has so [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► little to do with it that so level and [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► that book are so far apart in tone and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► message in plot in characters and [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► everything is just like I guess you were [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► inspired by the everybody only dick the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► total total recall is interesting [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► because there was this there is the [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► novella that turned into the movie and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► then the movie had a tie-in novel [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► novelization of course and also have [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that by piers anthony oh so from philip [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► k dick you go all the way back and rest [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► adjusting it to me you know that is that [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► is it secure [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► you know so before we go I wanted to [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► mention a novelization speaking [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► novelizations that that I loved when I [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► was a teenager that was just a movie [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► novelization so going back the other [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► direction which is one of my favorite [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► movies and Star Trek to and i bought the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► novelization of that which is by vonda [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► mcintyre who's won the hugo awards and [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► there's a very good writer and I I [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► probably if I went back and read it now [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► I'd be deeply disappointed but I read [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that thing like two or three times and [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► it was a really good book largely [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► because she expanded the screenplay into [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► a novel's worth of of stuff it's sort of [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► the reverse of what we were saying about [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► harry potter where you have to throw a [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► bunch of stuff out she's sort of you [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► know in star trek to when they go down [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► to the the [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the space station that's orbiting around [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► the asteroid they find all the dead [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► bodies hanging in there and it's sort of [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► like oh those guys who were in that one [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► scene earlier in the background now [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► they're dead [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► well whatever and in the novel they're [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► like all of these scenes with these [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► characters and their the scientists [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► they're trying to figure out this [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► problem and then they're running and [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► they're trying to escape from con before [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► he kills them all and they get ma died [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► and they're coming up and it's very sad [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and so every now and then I I you know [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► at least when I was a when I was younger [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► readers movie novelizations and most of [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► them were very bad but that was pretty [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► good and I've got on my bookshelf here [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► but still haven't read it [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► the out-of-print abyss novelization [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► which is by orson scott card which is [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► actually supposed to be not actually [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► supposed to be not bad but strange and [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► and I and I believe long out-of-print [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► which ice [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► I may be the only person in the world to [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► own a copy of the novelization of Hudson [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► Hawk which was given to me by an [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► ex-girlfriend who worked in a bookstore [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► because she found it one day and onto [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► that was book section that i have not I [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► have not cracked it open but it the idea [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► that they novelized that music to be [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► like who is the audience but because it [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► only liked it you know I wanted a few [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► people like the movie [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► most people didn't like the movie and it [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► seems unlikely with novelizations [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► fascinating Marco they thought people [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► would like it right you gotta be you [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► gotta say this is gonna be a hit we're [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► gonna have a novelization out there you [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► can change novel is it novelizations [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► fascinate me because they say look we [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► think you're unlikely to watch the movie [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► or something or you either you enjoyed [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► the movie or we think you're unlikely to [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► watch it but like what person says yeah [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you know what I don't really like that [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► will be all wait for the book right [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► I don't think that's a big slice like [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► it's your various people are waiting for [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the related by the movie and you want to [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► read the book because the movie was so [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► great you want to read the book at him [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► like usual a 210 mostly one more about [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► their especially when they adapt books [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► and then novel eyes them again because [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► clearly the people who are considered [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► themselves too snooty 22 oh yeah that [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► was a much better book aren't gonna read [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► a novelization yeah what do I think [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► you're the first people I've ever met [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► who bought novelizations and rhythm [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► always wanted to buys these things [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► novelizations movies there anybody out [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► there looking for these but here we have [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► two people who willingly for [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► you got novelizations of movies i didn't [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► buy one it was given mine was given i [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► can't remember the last time i did it [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► but when i was when i was a kid in a [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► huge Star Trek fan and i would buy any [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► Star Trek book that i could get my hands [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► on and then you know they came out with [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► a novelization of these books and now [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► that one I are in particular I remember [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► because it was by an actually you know a [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► good novelist and and she did a i think [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► a pretty good job and and that there are [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► some other some other really good [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► writers who have done novelizations of [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► didn't Greg bear it great where does a [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► halo I think he did [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► hello yeah there's some strange so the [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► video game novelizations is also a [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► really big really big thing that you but [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► I was gonna say i have all the I do [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► actually have all the novelization of [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► the Star Wars trilogy right which are [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► odd and then the splitter in my mind's [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► eye which is like in the nether regional [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► which was written by the same guy who [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► goes fairly lost star wars [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► yeah the star wars novelization the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► Stars the opposition is notable for me [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► in that it actually contains a reference [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► like obi-wan Kenobi talks about ducks [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► which may or may not exist in the star [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► wars universe it's unclear got arrested [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► somehow you know exchange and that was [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► by George Lucas right window [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► hi George look it was by alan dean [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► foster goes right but the first one is [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► actually credited to George Lucas what [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► it is literally just behind a return of [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► the jedi yeah i think they later on [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► changing minor reprints of it they took [TS]