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35: The Only Way to Win the Game of Thrones is Not to Play

 

00:00:00   the Intolerable podcast number 35 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/0">TS</a>]

00:00:11   we are back on the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/11">TS</a>]

00:00:14   I'm Jason smell your host our topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   today is the book series that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/16">TS</a>]

00:00:20   generated the buzz worthy HBO series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/20">TS</a>]

00:00:23   Game of Thrones these are the books by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/23">TS</a>]

00:00:26   george RR martin called a song of ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/26">TS</a>]

00:00:30   and fire which is such a ridiculous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   pretentious title that it Five known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   that was the name of the series I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/35">TS</a>]

00:00:36   not have read the books but instead I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   read four of them and there's a fifth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   one coming out so we're going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   about the books we will fire off spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/42">TS</a>]

00:00:45   horns inappropriate places but basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/45">TS</a>]

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00:00:48   in these books you might not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/48">TS</a>]

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00:00:53   everybody dies there's your boiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/53">TS</a>]

00:00:57   everybody dies and then he writes poetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   for a thousand pages that's what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/60">TS</a>]

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00:01:17   and they're like ghosts they that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18   probably hear them when you're not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/78">TS</a>]

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00:01:25   in hi dan welcome to your life chasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/85">TS</a>]

00:01:28   there's no turning back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   donkey citizen Z well I sleep you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/90">TS</a>]

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00:01:56   want your half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/116">TS</a>]

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00:02:09   so george RR martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/129">TS</a>]

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00:02:15   dirty and a half she's often wear your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   hat he died i know somebody else wears a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/137">TS</a>]

00:02:21   hat regularly and it's it takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   special kind of man to wear a hat i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/143">TS</a>]

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00:02:28   george RR martin with both of us wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   hats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/150">TS</a>]

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00:02:42   yes we both have beards too is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/162">TS</a>]

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00:02:50   Martin's time-travel mystic it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/170">TS</a>]

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00:03:04   before we fire off from everybody dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   yeah you know i'm not going to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   eighty percent of the characters diving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   which eighty percent series the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   isn't over yet so it may be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/194">TS</a>]

00:03:15   everything is entirely possible so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   started reading these books late last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/198">TS</a>]

00:03:19   year when i heard HBO was going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/199">TS</a>]

00:03:22   a series out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   I don't know if that strange behavior to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/203">TS</a>]

00:03:24   say you know read the books now before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   they become a TV series but they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   out there for a long time the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   was published in 1996 so I'm wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   when did you guys start reading these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   books i have a funny story about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   first became aware of these books will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   be the judges that but I have a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   about the first time is with being where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   these books it was the first week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   college my freshman year of college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   one of my floormates now and i went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/231">TS</a>]

00:03:54   do laundry the dorm across from us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   there was a girl there reading a game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   thrones i had never heard of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   but my friend brian says oh that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   really great book and strikes up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/243">TS</a>]

00:04:04   conversation with this girl who i then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   went out with for like three months so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   that so george RR martin has had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   know got me a date basically because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   because your friend had rather because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   my friend had read it I know I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   even have to do the hard work there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   to this day dan has not read the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   anyways that was but I did read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   like the summer after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24   and I've read them I guess only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/264">TS</a>]

00:04:28   maybe three red at that point that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   have been like 1999 I guess maybe only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/269">TS</a>]

00:04:33   to that point but I read the other set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   that as they came out before the fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   one came out i reread the first three so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   I guess that was 2005-6 somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   there so yeah I've read all I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/284">TS</a>]

00:04:47   the books twice except for the fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   one and and it's still yet it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/288">TS</a>]

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00:04:54   pondering that this very question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   earlier today so i went to amazon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   search my order history to see if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   could figure out when i first read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   game of thrones and turns out I i will i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/303">TS</a>]

00:05:07   ordered the second and third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   februari third 2003 which leads me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12   believe i read the first book some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   beforehand because i have no record of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/314">TS</a>]

00:05:17   that book so apparently either got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   from the library or stole it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   someone so that it and I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   why i started reading them but I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/323">TS</a>]

00:05:26   them in 2003 apparent i read them when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29   read the first one for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/329">TS</a>]

00:05:30   shortly after Dan in two thousand or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   because the writing group that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/333">TS</a>]

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00:05:39   members Robin was absolutely obsessed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   with this series and wouldn't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/341">TS</a>]

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00:05:46   written to full-length novels in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/346">TS</a>]

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00:05:55   think i probably have to read the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   that it's based in first so i picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/357">TS</a>]

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00:06:04   there were three out it was a storm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   swords is that the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   yes but I get on the the huge one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/368">TS</a>]

00:06:11   well I mean that was that was alongside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/371">TS</a>]

00:06:12   that was the same year that I first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15   started reading Robert Jordan as well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   i was just reading all yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   I know you can make those faces i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   reading a lot of terrible fantasy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   this this was not terrible fantasy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   was enjoyable fantasy but i have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   until right before the HBO series came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   out earlier this year I had not read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/390">TS</a>]

00:06:33   them since I read them straight through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/393">TS</a>]

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00:06:42   second book I'm like I remember none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   this kind of just vanished from my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/404">TS</a>]

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00:07:16   different stories of huge numbers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   characters and complicated and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   then you know here they are making a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   series happyish owed him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   yeah take that George that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   the one question I i actually asked him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   when when I got a chance to talk to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   was how he kept track of all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   stuff and he didn't really give me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   good answer is just said he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/454">TS</a>]

00:07:35   looked at me and said that's my job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   I was like okay but like to use like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   whiteboard you think computers activate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   what give me something just like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   think in fact it's a little minion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   sitting there that's just recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   everything beautifully i just came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   with a new character right now he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   have a minion actually don't that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/470">TS</a>]

00:07:51   the story in The New Yorker wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   that there's a guy who runs a wiki and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   has a database and he's in like Sweden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   yes some Scandinavian country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/479">TS</a>]

00:08:02   yeah we're with her is always coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/482">TS</a>]

00:08:05   and he liked apparently now is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   a paid sort of like how they have script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/488">TS</a>]

00:08:11   coordinators on TV series he's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   a paid assistant to george RR martin for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   these reasons you like send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   questions of like who's this cruise this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   guy and a guy will immediately respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   with the answer because he knows he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   encyclopedia CLE catalog everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   all the books so he's like the guy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   he's exactly like Greg nations the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   are lost who has the Bible of F [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/510">TS</a>]

00:08:33   everybody and who what time they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/513">TS</a>]

00:08:34   what I'm loss so they could do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   time travel stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   yeah he is the george RR martin has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   guy minion any one of those yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   good to have a minion if you can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/524">TS</a>]

00:08:45   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   what would your minion do though Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   really don't know I need like I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   for a long time in one of my the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/530">TS</a>]

00:08:53   i was writing i had like a voodoo ped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   document so it's kind of like a mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/535">TS</a>]

00:08:56   wiki to keep track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   because I would forget like a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   that i mentioned you know early in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   story would return and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03   remember what color their hair my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   or something dumb like that now be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   aqua have to go back through the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   like last book and try to like search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   through and find out what I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/551">TS</a>]

00:09:12   Scrivener for it's the same it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   same thing i was i have to say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/554">TS</a>]

00:09:15   people who do these george RR martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   wiki's are laying down on the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/557">TS</a>]

00:09:18   because I am in the fourth book which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/558">TS</a>]

00:09:21   just finished there's a character who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/561">TS</a>]

00:09:25   in several previous books raff the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   sweetling and I was like hey he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   sort of like tangentially briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   mentioned they send them off somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   and I went and looked up his with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   george RR martin wiki page and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/573">TS</a>]

00:09:37   no mention that he's mentioned in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   book anywhere it's like come on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   encyclopedia of fans you're laying down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   on the job here that just means you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   better sign up for an account righteous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   yeah I really don't want to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   although I couldn't balance on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50   internet someone that you know it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   to be that way lies met it is it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   way like we're either that or one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   gets to be paid by george RR martin but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   everybody else is just mad so so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04   should talk a little bit about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   setting for these these books I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   one of the things that attracted me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   addition to the fact that HBO is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/611">TS</a>]

00:10:12   to be making this into a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   attracted me to the series that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   heard that it was like fantasy books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   not like your kind of stereotypical you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/617">TS</a>]

00:10:21   know wizards and witchcraft kind of kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/621">TS</a>]

00:10:25   of & Dragons kind of fantasy bug and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/625">TS</a>]

00:10:28   turns out that there are dragons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   there is magic but it's it's not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   but not a lot right i mean the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   look you get hints of dragons but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   then they're they're extinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   yeah exactly it's really more medieval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   fiction that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/642">TS</a>]

00:10:43   is right i mean you get the Dragons at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   the end in sort of the the others at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   beginning and those sort of bookend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   but in between there really isn't much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   so it's politics and violence and sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   and and back-slapping and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   that which is is you know he'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/656">TS</a>]

00:10:57   anything but like little bit like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00   yes exactly medieval wire that's yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/660">TS</a>]

00:11:04   well I have level you know the TV series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   is a lot like the wire to and in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   it's complicated know lots of characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   but you know the wire screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   yeah well and again there they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   done much other than sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   like yeah there's only that little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   in the later books there become sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   more of an influence of the magic coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   right but definitely that first book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   mean I i remember reading through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/685">TS</a>]

00:11:26   thinking wow yeah there's there's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   not like beyond that sort of prologue if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   you sort of forget about that it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   becomes a vacant after then people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/691">TS</a>]

00:11:35   talking about oh yeah there's some bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   you know crazy dudes up in the North or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   whatever else not really worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/699">TS</a>]

00:11:41   that will even with the crazy dudes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/701">TS</a>]

00:11:42   the North me with the others all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   really see me you get like the blue eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   and the white hair and the crazy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   but you don't really get the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   there anything other than savages you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   know I mean there's a sort of mystique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   to it but you could roll that off as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/713">TS</a>]

00:11:54   just ok these are just crazy warriors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   who haven't lived among civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   four years I mean like it seems pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   clear that there's something to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   like the Dead coming back so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   there's definitely I think an element of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   the other letter is it supposed to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   the Wildings yeah I guess towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   end of the book barrel but the well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   have the wildlings are just feral right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/730">TS</a>]

00:12:13   so we should we fire up the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16   warning now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   one of the things that's most striking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   think about these books and iíve been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/741">TS</a>]

00:12:24   reliving it as I've been watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   the HBO series is poised RR martin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/746">TS</a>]

00:12:30   not he admitted in one of these articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/750">TS</a>]

00:12:33   that preceded the show coming on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/753">TS</a>]

00:12:37   he's playing a shell game in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   book that he he intends for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   assume who the main characters are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/762">TS</a>]

00:12:45   it's very clear you know Ned Stark is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   the main character in the game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   thrones and so it's all the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   shocking when they chop his head off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   I hope someone told Shawn being ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   time i'll see if i seasoned veteran some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   unpleasant aspects i'm not in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   season while back and he signed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01   one-year contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/781">TS</a>]

00:13:02   yeah unless they change huge tapestry of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/782">TS</a>]

00:13:06   characters and I mean that was the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   that was described to me in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   like why this was its series that was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   different from any other series which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13   was my friend sort of telling this me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   going well the thing about this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16   is like they put people into impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/796">TS</a>]

00:13:19   situations you're like how are they ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/799">TS</a>]

00:13:20   going to escape that and then they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   right right so so you know the it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/802">TS</a>]

00:13:28   out that the main characters in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   series are are like like re s dark the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/810">TS</a>]

00:13:36   daughter of Ned Stark and jon snow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   like the stark children are our main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   character ones that survived once that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   survived right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   not all of them do and um and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/825">TS</a>]

00:13:49   know Tyrion Lannister and and and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   of the Lannisters who are the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   characters although some of them end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   being good characters or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   interesting not entirely evil characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   later ray they're complicated which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/838">TS</a>]

00:14:01   one of the one of the good things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   these books is that you've got people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   who you like who do bad things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   people who don't like who do good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   and it is a mess and not clear like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/847">TS</a>]

00:14:11   going into this I was thinking about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/851">TS</a>]

00:14:12   you know I was sort of going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   what I remember from the books and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   remembering that one of my life i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   call on one of my favorite characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19   but like one of the characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   intrigues me the most is from at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   beginning of the series is like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   despicable person in the book is Jaime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   Lannister like throws a kid out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   window like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   much worse than that right but he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   because he loved and sisters things he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   does for a little 2morrow is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   despicable character but like as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   series goes on i mean like he becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   little more human and a little less like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   evil villainy right like you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   loses his hand when the later books we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   can't he's no longer able to be the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   of great warrior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53   you also get into his head you know yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   yeah he becomes a protest a narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   viewpoint characters well which which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   does change your opinion of him and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   learn some stuff about his past about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   things that he's done that's been sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   of assumed to be terrible terrible acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   that may have had different motivations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   and he has this very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/909">TS</a>]

00:15:10   relationship for a while with this woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   breanne yes I made of Tarth which brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   out a lot of humanity in him that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/914">TS</a>]

00:15:17   previously lacking and I kind of a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   of dug that and of course the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/919">TS</a>]

00:15:20   character I like kinda from the get-go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/920">TS</a>]

00:15:21   even though here you're never quite sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   where you where he stands as Theriot man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   who is also considered maybe a villain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   but he's also kind of a good guy in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   ways like he's probably one of the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   sympathetic character he never strikes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   me as a villain he always strikes me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/932">TS</a>]

00:15:35   mean to think about Tyrion Lannister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   which such great character when I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   that peter dinklage was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38   playing always be a little break so up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/938">TS</a>]

00:15:41   Tyrion Lannister such a great character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   but he's always you know he's got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/943">TS</a>]

00:15:47   interesting combination of being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   well aware of of of his place in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/949">TS</a>]

00:15:53   world and everybody's placed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/953">TS</a>]

00:15:54   world and in a way that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   other characters aren't but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   time being loyal to his family in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/958">TS</a>]

00:16:02   way he sort of defines but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   fascinating because the his family's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   basically bad they're bad people and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   don't like them and and so you like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   and you're like well i like this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   he's a guy could root for but he's loyal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   to his family which means he does some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   stuff that you that you would really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/977">TS</a>]

00:16:18   rather not see him do but the reason he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   does it is because he's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   Lannister and he does feel like he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25   this obligation up to a point any way up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   to the point where he shoots his father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   down the toilet and kills him love he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/989">TS</a>]

00:16:32   has this feeling the thing i love about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   Tyrion though is that he's Frank and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37   he's not you know you don't you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38   get that hidden from it you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   the get-go that he's loyal to his family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41   and he pretty much says it straight out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   I think it's like the second or third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44   chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:45   where where he's at the stark residence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   and and Jamie like something about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:50   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:51   oh I hope I hope you're not planning on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   you know doing this is like well why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   would I ever betray my family you I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   you get these clues from him from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   get-go and he's and completely Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   every way I mean he's loyal to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   family in a way that doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   mean that he's blind loyalty to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   members of his family like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   there's a greater he's got something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   bigger at stake there right yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   reputation the honor of that house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   hehe really protects that even when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   people he thinks our dishonouring it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   the people in his family like his sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   or his father but the interesting setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   is is that you've got the War of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   five kings and it looks as if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   Lannisters and and Joffrey whoever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:30   know at that point you hate him and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   and he's done all these horrible things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   and he's ordered that you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   ordered the execution of of Ned after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   deal was brokered by his mother to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41   send them to the wall all these terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   things and you're thinking alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:44   though the Lannisters are going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:47   auntie reham basically outsmarts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   everybody else and saves the day and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   really you're in this weird position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   where you're rooting for the guy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   he is such an interesting character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   esmart you want him to do you know do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   kind of well as an underdog right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   right except for traditional what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   doing is protecting these horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   people and you kinda wanna be like come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:08   but at the same time you know he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   this code which makes them interesting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   also love you know and even in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   couple episodes of the TV show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   really bring out the sort of great he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   got a confidence that it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   lot of people in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   whack you know he talks about that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   love that line the Utopia all dwarves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   are bastards in the eyes of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   fathers just such a such a great like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:31   knows exactly how other people see me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   also tells john snow at some point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   hey you know embrace what you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   because it's not going to go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   the sooner you're more comfortable with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:41   it like a better off you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   I think it's just very he's got he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   very smart guy and I clearly he's worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   hard to become that it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   a it's like a little bit like a miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   workers again is exactly that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   first person I thought of when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:56   reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   that's why Scott hates t really did one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:02   of the interesting things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   first book is this split storyline we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   really in parallel with almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:11   crossover slight crossover you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:14   daenerys targaryen and her adventures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   the desert where her brother basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   sells her to the warlord of the horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:24   people and and yet and if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:28   read this series it's not quite as weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   as it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:30   no we're not actually a horse people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   know they're not happen address there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   like people here on horses so pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37   weird though it is kinda weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39   yeah and she you know her brother has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42   care and he basically sells her in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45   to get the idea is to get this army of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   people to take back their their crown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   which has been usurped across the sea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53   and you know there's some great stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56   there because she actually kind of comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   of age and in the end she sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:00   the last one standing interns in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   of she you know she's the queen of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   well the horse people except there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:09   many of them left after a while you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   it but she's kind of empowered and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   got these dragon eggs that she throws in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   the fire and the hatch and then she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:16   got dragons so it's very clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   she's in the long run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   you know one of the major characters if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:21   not the most important character in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   books but in the first in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   and really for a while she's just in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   parallel story with there's white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   character and then eventually I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   there are two characters across over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   between her story and everybody else I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   mean she's on the other side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   Narrow Sea and the Narrow Sea can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   crossed by anything except ships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   they don't have ships so why would such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   narrow sea before now you won't go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45   and I know whenever the others when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   when you wanna cross the sea you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   course need to get 10,000 mounted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   warriors because that makes perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:55   sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:55   all I could say is they can probably see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   Westeros from their house probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   thing i love about Denarius though is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   that she starts off that first book as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   so like almost completely innocent to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08   certain extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:09   like you have you have her brother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   basically bullying her and I the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   phrase don't wake that you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:14   wait the dragon do you that that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   chills down my spine the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   read it to my gosh shoot this does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   bode well for for this character bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   things are happening and then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:24   basically gets l2 yeah the warlord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   horselord who basically rapes her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   yep yep and I mean she she she takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:33   such as marvelous transition between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   scared girl who's just wants to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:38   to the the house with the red door that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:39   she lived in for a couple years where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   she thought she was happy to this to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:44   queen in her own right and its really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45   really fascinating to read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   especially nice first through everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48   else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   despite that I could never quite figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   out if I like her not she definitely is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   like you know I i agree that the her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   transition is really interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   like she definitely becomes a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:58   empowered figure especially towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   later books where she's really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   learning how to you know wield that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   power authority but she's and she's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:09   ruthless to a certain point but at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:12   same time you know I can't quite get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   sense of whether or not i find her a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   likeable character you know I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   most likable I found her was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   chapter of the first book and then as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   chic as she grows colder as she grows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:26   stronger and more the more she goes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   this sort of you know Queen queenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   attitude the farther away you get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   this person could ever be likable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   because you never really seen her head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   after that especially after the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   incident with the fire on the Dragons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   think that's the last point where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:42   ever really see what's kind of going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   for her personally and not what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   on for her as a larger scope it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:50   that at that moment she was reborn into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   her birthright right as a dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   controlling monarch i guess and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58   transforms from that innocent child much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:01   like the Petrified eggs were hatched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   into dragons haha very nice aesthetic i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   like that i like having this degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   Bravo sir they do you know obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:12   song of ice and fire which again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   know is i see why it's called that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   it's it's a little bit silly but clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:19   that sacrifice and that it over with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   clearly the overarching story here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   that the the battle the battle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   between the Dragonlords and fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:30   they seem to be the Dragon seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:31   the only thing that can stop the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   the dragonglass and the fire from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   dragons and so you've got this sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:38   conflict building and then on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:42   right there there's also the whole I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:46   like this like the red fiery God yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:51   didn't whose name I can't pronounce real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   or yeah the gods always have weird names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:56   and fantasy series because they're their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   gods yeah it Bob would not be a scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   yeah they don't want you to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   print out all the ones I Californians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   and and double consonants and yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   a glottal that's basically like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   Romulan broccoli god yeah that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:13   that would be such a twist ending we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   have been turning up the whole Klingon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   so so that and that's actually for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   that's one of the weirder things is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:21   i mean the whole idea of the dragons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   the heat of the dragons in these ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:24   guy's monster creature things the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:27   that are coming from the north as winter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   comes I I i see where he's going with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   that and and it's interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   for a while you're rooting for the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   know you're like oh no not the Targaryen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   there they're bad and they kicked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38   the crazy king and and and but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   clear where this is going which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   that you know the nearest and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   dragons are are the thing that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   save them it you know theoretically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:51   the red the red priests and the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   the and Melisandre the red woman who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:58   the fact that they're like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1498">TS</a>]

00:24:59   kings who just died just dropped dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   because of the red godz magic it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:08   stuff always struck me as being really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:09   bizarre because I I always just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   wrote it off as i was reading it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   being like Oh silly silly magic that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   won't do anything and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   various kings just drop dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   yeah that was the point at which it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   you know I felt like the series move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   more into the traditional fantasy realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   and I and in some ways I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27   disappointed with that transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:28   because I'd really enjoyed the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:31   non magical atmosphere up to that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   and also because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:35   I think one of the other sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   sympathetic characters introduced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   conflict with the red priestess which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:42   a devil's oh yeah i like his music yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:46   he's a likable guy he's also wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   sort of more honorable characters out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:51   there i mean because I mean I guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   can you can argue that Stannis Baratheon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   is kind of honorable but he's also kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:56   got a stick up his ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   it gets kind of taken over to ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:01   and so I mean like having that in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04   II it's not feel very conflicted about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   that as a plot development but i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   it remains to be seen whether they where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   it's sort of where it's art will lead it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   yeah I you know that thing when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   curse all the other Kings right and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   the other Kings die but what what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:22   is weird is that some of them died in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   mysterious way right and readily get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   stabbed by a shadow right really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:28   killed by shadow and and Joffrey just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   sort of like randomly chokes on nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   well he gets poisoned it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   poisoned or do they just think he good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   I feel like it's poisoned by the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   thing that I'm the what's-his-face Jon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:43   Arryn I'm not well Jon Arryn yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:46   tears of the tears of lys or lies or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   have to say it but doesn't mean I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   sorry i just reread a lot of the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:54   overviews before this to sort of refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   myself and they suggest that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   Littlefinger had a hand in in killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:00   Joffrey when I read it I i thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   know our is it that they think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   that's what happened or did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   actually happen right is it that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   don't get excited when they set up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:11   poison him except it didn't it he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   killed by the magic for my for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   great but my point is that that the even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   that and then certainly what happens at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   the red wedding with with Robb Stark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   I'm a little out of control measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   those are yeah those are plausibly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   like well maybe it's bad luck or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   it was a curse but like murdered by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   shadow it's just like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   because I also the guy in the iron the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   Ironborn you know that the King bail or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:36   Greyjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37   yeah Greyjoy hehe like falls off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   bridge or something until you killed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   a shadow looks terrible on homicide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   report by the way yeah def by shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   detective general plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   shadow it makes kind of sense though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   because I mean Renly is his younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   brother and it makes sense that of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   of them she would have a direct hand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   killing him and the others may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   coincidence but she can write it off as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   oh yes well I did this I did this in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   red God answered my prayers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   yes that's exactly what happens oh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   also killed you younger brother did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   anybody did anybody else when reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   the books get the subtext of the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   that readily is gay and loves the knight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   of flowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16   well if you don't get in the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   you'll certainly get it need you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19   you're in the TV series it is clear but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:23   although afterwards I went back and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   was like oh yeah the rainbow guard huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   yeah and when the nighty knight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:32   flowers is kind of a pretty boy and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:35   yeah the HBO series makes it quite clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   that that that Renly and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   reading piece a feast for crows there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:44   are several scenes where I realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   it's totally there all along and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   totally just passed over it and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   notice all the subtext of how so lorises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   not not interested in the ladies except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   for San soon he was kind of I seems kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   of like an ascetic you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   no not well I don't it's been way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   long since i've read the books I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   create the HBO series will make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   abundantly clear that abundantly so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:13   don't understand what's going on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   various guys ignore it yes the night of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16   our flowers very pretty armor that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   what I'm saying he's a good chance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   he was he was bluffing his armor for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   exactly and advising advising him on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:26   to be a good king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:27   sadly he will be killed by shadow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   that is the trouble I have with watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   the TV show is knowing all the awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   things are going to happen oh man I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   x 0 2 you're watching like Kaitlyn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   you're like all mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   oh yeah catlin sure like oh man this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   gonna go bad that was the most shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   even more than Ned that was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:45   shocking death in the entire series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   then even more shocking to put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   quotes yeah well even more shocking than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   killing her is that then they record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:52   resurrector is like a half zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   version of fresh oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57   exactly it's unclear well her throat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   still cut so I mean you have that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03   nothing else and one another topic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:06   wanted to bring up is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   direwolves which are introduced the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   beginning and there's one for each stark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   child and it turns out that several of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   the star children have this connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   with them which is most I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   most clear and brand who ends up even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   though we can't walk he's got this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   know vision and and he's proceeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   north of the wall to speak to us to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   three-eyed crow or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:29   and John and and jon snow has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:33   ability to worry sort of bonded with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:34   this dire wolf and area an area to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   even though even though hers disappears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   fairly early on but it and yet its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   present throughout because they keep on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   wondering around through the Riverlands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:45   in the lake man there's lots of wolves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   around here in a big 12 and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   clear that that's her direwolf surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   surprise that you never see it it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   out pci author out that she's one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   other favorite care i love re also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57   because she's actually that like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   legitimately like innocent like victim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   basic licking all this and and she but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   she also kicks a switch here right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   what I appreciate is that she's capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   without being superhuman you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   like she still she still has bad things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   happen to her and she still gets in bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   situations but she manages to pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   through and use what little training she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   has without make me her you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   oh I've had you know six months worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   dancing lessons therefore i'm a master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   of the tiny sword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:26   yeah i got sad when they said they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:29   her on the boat to she ended up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:30   boat to what Bravo sir whatever nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   like now you're taking her further away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:33   from everything that's or is she closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:37   who she's farther away she she would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   meet Samwell Tarly at one point is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   it's in that fourth book who I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   Samwell Tarly he said well Charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   that's a great carrying the fat coward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   yeah but he's smart it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   I'm in the book because it's like Sam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:55   Gamgee I is it wrong that I picture him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   as sam from lord of the ring now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   totally Sean ass on a steel you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   absolutely do that was the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   it's awful to say to compare it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   another character but it has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   intentional well there are several other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   references yeah in i think the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   other things that came across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:14   Wikipedia entries like there are several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   references to the wheel of time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19   there's even there's like a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:20   named like like something from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:23   anagram of like robert jordan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   I it's just one of their lives there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   Maj in there to other two other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   fantasies that's that's why I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   stand the whole red God stuff is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   reminds me too much of wheel of time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   parts like the ace today and like stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   like that with the with the red pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:39   and I'm like I this I really hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   doesn't go that direction not not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   read the fourth book and only skimmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   the wikipedia entry for this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   well and that's something actually want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   to ask you as yet because I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   always the danger especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   lifelong fantasy series is we're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   middle right like and and Martin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1977">TS</a>]

00:33:00   delayed a number of the books including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   the most recent 1i mean this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   first book and again what 687 hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:07   out and also right so I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   question is like are we in for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   disappointment or you are any of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   worried that this series is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   sort of peter out like I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   know if he's got the whole thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   assume that he's got you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20   stuff planned out but I don't I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   also assume that it's not like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23   thing is planned out otherwise you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   the books would be written but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   know do you I i bet i've read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   fantasy series where it's like it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   out good and you can kind of tell with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   the author ran out of steam or ideas or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:37   just got so convoluted that you sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:40   lost the thread and and I start to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   about that with us and there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43   three books left in theory it looks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:49   mean I don't know what is that anyway is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   worried about their just kind of living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:52   in the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:53   well i think that that's always a danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   right when you have some kind of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:56   especially when it's so successful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   people so many people are so excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   about it and I can't imagine the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   pressure that george RR martin fields as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   he's sitting down to write these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   because so many people are excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:09   it and I'm sure that's on one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   very exciting but on the other hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:12   awful because you know there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:15   websites that are devoted to just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   finish the damn book George and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   kind of stuff and people read his blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:22   and if he mentions he's doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24   other than writing there like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   shouldn't be watching football you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:27   to finish your book and I who he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:31   know it may suck who knows but doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   yeah that's right and I don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   they're there seems to be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   of people feel that George RI no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:42   yeah exactly they feel that he owes them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   something it doesn't really OS anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   it's he's writing his own story and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   finish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50   exactly it's just like the last episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:51   of seinfeld right that of many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   think that was awful but that's the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   they wanted to end or the way they ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   lost which george RR martin himself did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   not care for you know I think that I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   think that if if we aren't willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   take a chance on somebody who's writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   an intricate you know 3,000 page story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:13   four thousand page story however long it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   ends up being and I you know then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   wherever we're never going to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   right we're never going to get anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   but a 400-page book and I what I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   about these books is that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   feel especially the first three that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   can just stack them up and just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   them in fact i bought the first two on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   the kindle and it was an omnibus edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31   and I just kind of blew through both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:34   them and it you know it's one story it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:38   not like there's a novel standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   novel here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:41   really it just keeps going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   presumably will go to the end i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   ambition of that and I'm willing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   the quality is so good i'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:48   take a chance because I like that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   that he's trying to tell this huge story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   and it's one story in all of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   instead of it being a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   adventures one by one that said I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   think this dance with dragons book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:02   going to tell the tale because it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   know feast for crows is almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   stalling tactic was how this don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:11   the same but yeah yeah well and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   even that anymore because he's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:14   added apparently Dance with Dragons does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   advance the plot from feast for crows so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   and he said that if they get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   point in the TV series they'll basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   have to stick them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:24   together but so so the people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   had the stories told the feast for crows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   their stories presumably will advance a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   little bit which is good news i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   because it would be a shame to wait you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   know in more years to get the those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   those cliffhangers result but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   that will tell the tale because feast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   for crows for me was a disappointment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42   because it was half a story and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   because it introduced all these new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   characters and you missed a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   old characters if if but if Dance with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   Dragons is like storm of swords which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   a thousand pages of good stuff i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   gonna feel way more confident but right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   now having just read feast for crows I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   like oh wow that was a no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   necessarily a misstep but it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   not much of a step and I think he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05   feeling a lot of pressure he needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:06   get something out right and so he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   cut it in half and said okay take this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:11   heavy load right i mean if we hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   seen feast for crows they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   been like what like 12 years between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:16   exactly couldn't figure out how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   time i don't know i think on the whole I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   mean I enjoyed reading the books in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   thousand and I'm enjoying reading them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:27   rereading them now and I feel like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   long as I'm enjoying reading this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   even if the story goes to bad places i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   will still have had all that enjoyment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   don't feel like I've wasted my time our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   group which is that kind of my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   on loss to it's like I didn't care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   the end of lost but i enjoyed watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:44   most of it and then you know okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   the ending sucks but it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   that I've wasted you know six years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   ok maybe the worst thing was the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   that could happen you just haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:56   like you know at the end of the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   the last book is the last chapter is bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   newhart wakes up but it was all the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:05   yeah yeah I do heart song of ice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:08   fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:08   it's nice it's nice to get in a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   satisfying ending but you know no I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:14   I i agree i'm not i'm not so you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:15   invited terms that i'm going to give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   like although i did do that without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   wheel of time I think there's a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   for me where it was like and I worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   about this book to you know dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   dragons comes out and again I spent so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   much time like having to refresh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   memory because I couldn't remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   happened in the first four books i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   to go reread them before the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   comes out i don't know if i want to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   them up there that could never do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   again great mr. wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   it's very unevenly it's certainly a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   more helpful than and like what helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:40   very much in this case I'm they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   their own their own wiki to and as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44   as I Josh about them not paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   attention to the presence of raff the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   sweetling in the feast for crows hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:51   that was great actually the wiki of ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   and fire because I would read the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   and be like Oh what the hell is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   and I would look it up and make a right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   that guy and it's great because i wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   going to go back and read and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03   2,000 pages and I will also say thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   God that HBO is making a TV show because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   that makes it much easier to refresh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:09   memory for any other things yes well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   and i think you know to a certain extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   despite whatever happens with the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   the story as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   what's nice is that there are characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   that have arcs that essentially get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   completed you know many of them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   their dance but you know that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   nice there there is like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   resolution in smaller doses as it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   along so you don't feel like my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   there's all of these thread now granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   he also starts new threads but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   I think that's kind of what's what's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:39   about it is it's almost like somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   it's almost like spying on like out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   out like massively multiplayer RPG or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   what I was you see all the lives of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   these guys going in The New Yorker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   article i think he says something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51   actually thought I actually told my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   this while I was while I was reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   storm of swords is he said he wanted he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2395">TS</a>]

00:40:00   wanted a story that was like great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   historical fiction but that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   know how it turned out and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   exactly how these books feel to me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   like you're reading this history of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   things were like in these amazing events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   that occurred and the only difference is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   you can't you know read a book about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   war of the roses and then go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:18   Wikipedia and look up what happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20   everybody because it's not there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   only and you gotta read the books as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   writes them and i love that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   peek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:27   you can't find out what happened it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   feels like historical fiction but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   can't find out who lives and who dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   you have as long as god forbid george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   martin does not die before him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   serious the thing that's nice about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   TV even about the format to is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   the the books are divided character by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   chapter which is i have to say is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   nice having read other epic fantasy when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   you just have other chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   to begin with like 12 13 and you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   idea who's point of view it is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   these books that we state very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   this chapter is aria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   this chapter is catlin you know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:03   where you are and you know exactly where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:04   you can leave off if you can pick up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   if so choose you want to skip chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   and just follow one person story you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   could do that i mean you'd lose out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   some of the piecemeal stuff but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   still be able to do that they also cheat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   a little bit in that some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   characters that changed names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   yeah I in the headings including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   headings of the job yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23   so you're right this one or two but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   that's only what he needs to be clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   and and keep you guessing about what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:31   I so we're talking about favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:32   characters and I I i tried to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   with on this which is that I love I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   the interior and i think is my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   character but right behind him is Jon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   Snow actually who I love is just a i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   think is a great character who is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   to become I think ultimately other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:49   maybe Denarius i think the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   important character in the series i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   agree i think john is jon is kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   closest you have to the like heroic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   character right i mean for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   of unfairly you know making it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   to sleep with people and then sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   with women and and ya again and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:10   only liberated them and having them die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   and all right that often present still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:16   as as as far as all of the characters go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:19   yeah he does see he has this very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   you know code you know moral code in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   many ways and Lee has the hearings also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   again he's the underdog guys right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:28   he's the bastard you know who's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   make good his powers Lee has magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:33   powers magical powers uh and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:37   know if you are what one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   interesting things about Jon Snow is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   that his his parentage is shrouded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:44   mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   now that's right they had that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   great scene in the TV show oh I'll tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   you about your mom next time I see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   yes we're why very happy I laughed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:57   laughed out loud at that scene because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   was like wow that's at least a dozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   Robert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:02   oh oh wait oh it's one of the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:07   pieces of the world that I really love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   is the naming of the bastards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   yeah yeah but they're all called after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   the sort of dominant feature of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16   registry problem disgrace to the snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   and stones are the rivers yeah I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:22   really i think that's a great touch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:23   it's one of those little things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   makes me really enjoyed the world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   he's built and I think that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27   you know we've only touched upon a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   little bit as with the world building in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   Song of Ice and fires awesome like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   probably the best thing about in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   opinion I just love the setting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   world i think is really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   I mean everything from going from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   wall which is such a crazy insane like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:46   especially you know you see it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   first time in the TV show and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   like yeah yeah it's pretty big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:51   a giant wall made out of ice mountains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:54   and mountains that's nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   the best no port in the world the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   I really like about the world is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   it's all done tactfully and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   behind the scenes where you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   notice that you realize that you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   much about the world until your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   two books and you're like oh wait i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   a really great picture in my mind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   what this all looks like and I never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   to sit through 10 pages of exposition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   right you know vague third person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   telling me how lovely the trees are when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   they bloom at night you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   talking about the world in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:24   doesn't feel like you're being lectured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:25   to which is you know it's it's funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   had that realization when I was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   the TV show and trying to explain who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   some of the characters were in my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   and and and realized that you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:35   would never have been able to memorize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   the various families during the war of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:40   the roses or you know any other kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   medieval series of your battles between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:44   noble families and I'm like oh yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   can tell you all about the Turk Arians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   and the Starks and the and the beareth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   eons and and the Lannisters and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   their symbols are and what their colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   are and how did I learn all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   that's 2,000 pages of george RR martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   history teachers to take a leaf from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   this book if only it were real teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   Westeros in schools will be a great bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:08   w great bumper sticker by the way teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   Westeros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   what would Tyrion do probably you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:17   the higher and bring ya back i also love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   the number of the number of shifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:21   characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:22   yes you get like tyrion you get RS yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   a little finger like they're such great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   characters who are who are clearly all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:31   about intrigue in sumter fusion that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   kind of refreshing and not all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   are you know stereotypical like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   insidious characters only I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   little finger says to Ned's face early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   on in the first book just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   shouldn't trust me i'm the person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:46   should trust least and Ned still trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   him and then when he gets frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   like I told you not to trust you like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   what do you want for me also characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   who like to push other characters out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00   yes defenestration dip-dip yeah ask that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:04   I would make me do it Emma straighten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   that's right twice and lovely word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:09   prices met that that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   climactic scene of a storm of swords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   right is that is that after all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   trouble to get to the Aerie fo ya shoves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:20   Lisa Lisa license Aaron right out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:23   oh she's dead talk about it and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:27   about super creepy characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   oh yeah definitely up there yes crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   when she makes a grand entrance in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   HBO series let me tell ya she really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:35   does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:35   well I was wondering how they were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:36   to do her introductory scene when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   reading the book i'm like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   can't possibly put that on oh they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   going to put that on television you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   here sitting on the throne and her you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   know kind of like 10 year old son is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   sitting there nursing on her wall she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   oh my god oh that makes me wonder i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:56   gonna say you know makes me there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:57   pretty interesting scene at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   game of thrones with Daenerys that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   like man I can't wait to see how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   handle the actual fire yeah i mean it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   hpl it's HBO I don't think everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:09   needs to be attacked they haven't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:12   haven't shown themselves like willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   pull punches really which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:15   refreshing in some ways but also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:17   know disturbing others the amount of Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:21   will not even subtle pornography in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:22   books always throws me where it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:25   wow ok where we're going into a chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:28   oh yeah someone someone's getting raped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   and they're getting raped in great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   detail in this book and it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   suddenly or otherwise implied these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:36   these are underage children or these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39   like people who are far you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   it'sit's they don't pull any punches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   it's it's very it's a little disturbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46   I have to say it's bothersome to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   not to go back to the the that New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   Yorker article again but some another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   you know it's a great article and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   i'll put in the show notes but it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   he says you know it's a reaction to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2875">TS</a>]

00:48:00   kind of glossy fantasies that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   have about the the medieval period he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:05   said you know people were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   people were married off young and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   that you know 12 and 13 year old girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:14   this stuff happened to them it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   this kind of fairytale kind of existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   and and especially he said these fairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   tales where the the working girl tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   off the prints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   he's like yeah that didn't happen if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   that happened they would be dead or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   likely they would be raped and then dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   and so we wanted it to be that ugly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   people get put into arranged marriages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   and they can't do anything about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   they're stuck with it and it's miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39   and you know and and so he put that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:43   in there and it's lovely isn't it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   there are some brutal scenes very early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:48   i mean like as again i refresh because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   just watch the second episode i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   the TV show that the scene where Arya's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   fencing with the butcher's boy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:58   bushes well yeah and then Joffrey of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   course shows up and ruins everything as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   his is want but the picture basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:05   gets written down later and killed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   the San firmed clean the dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   yes and you know it was you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   innocent basically I kid who did nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   right and like you know he just got on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   the wrong side of royalty and the end on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:22   the killing of stanzas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   a direwolf to always makes me really sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   where you don't even really get to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   that the the wolves that much at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   point in the story and you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   get to know sands of that much of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:35   you seem you think of her kind of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   little bit of a pressed of audio Starks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   but at the same time you can't help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   feel for just like all this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   that's terrible toll free so had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:48   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   Sansa Stark annoys that crap she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   frustrating she gets better in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   second book in the first book yeah she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   still one of my least sympathetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   editors i think i think on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   area and brand actually I like jon snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   a lot but brand brand kind of have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   special place in my heart for her for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   him a little bit i don't know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   the climbing or the or the the wolf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   connection or what but he just he's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   interesting character the three-eyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   crow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   yeah I always want more about Rickon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   don't know engage in time a day I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:24   he seems like bad bad things are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   store for baby reckon he's off with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   frog eating friends right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   going somewhere I don't know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   one of those cases where it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   I have too many characters i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   send some of them off and we will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   see them just hide them somewhere my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   date but they might end up being the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   king of Winterfell the only a live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   person at the end of the book right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   read the last general would have died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   love walks back in which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:58   hiding off-screen and he wins the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   with the hounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:02   that's right by default would be sad if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:05   the game of thrones said that I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:07   there is only but you either win or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   isn't that place and there's only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   way to win the game of thrones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   that's not to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15   ah that's a good lesson thanks i came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:19   with a nice thank you thank you very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   so we've talked about it all this time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   guess i should ask the question you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   obviously to read all these you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   have all enjoyed the books are they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:33   know where they where do they rank are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:34   they you know are they find a ok or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37   are they some of the better stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   to keep talking about Martin as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   American Tolkien which is awfully high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   praise and so I'm just wondering is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   is it deserved how deserve this and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   good are these books i think that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   difficult since it is one large story it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:53   is difficult to judge it until it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   done because i think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:58   I mean clearly george RR martin knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   how to tell a story right so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   it's enjoyable i like reading it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   wouldn't have read whatever 4,000 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   of it if I didn't like it a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:08   Kendall dots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:08   it's a lot of candles and I read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   before the candles were around so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   lot of heavy blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   yeah I didn't realize how long story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   sorts was until i had read like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   million pages of it and saw that I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   two percent exactly their long books in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:22   it requires a you know I'm indication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:26   yes and especially this isn't done it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   even uncertain right cuz you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   so i think that I don't know if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:34   market told him I don't really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   talking so that may come home d'Artagnan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:40   so I hope he isn't exactly i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   very good and I think that it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   unlike almost other fantasy well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47   especially fantasy of that time when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   was written now there's a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:51   more fantasy that is kind of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:52   that it certainly is an important series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:56   in the world of fantasy and enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3176">TS</a>]

00:53:00   but I don't know what his lasting legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03   will be I was kind of expensive exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   Wisconsin and i think i think the proof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   is going to be in the pudding once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   the rest of the volumes come out i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10   you know he's a good storyteller I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:13   been very engaged by all the books i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   think in in that I i would put him up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:20   there is one of the fantasy authors i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   really like there may be a couple others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   i like more and that might just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26   having you know the scope of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   books in terms of the way the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   things like feel like they might have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   little better sense of humor and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33   like that a lot of a lot of Song of Ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   and virus very grim which is not say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   it's not enjoyable but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   it's nice to have a levee break every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   once in awhile after like you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   countless people get raped and murdered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   you know nice to maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   something that'll put a something along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   like a wedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   oh wait let's move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51   sure everybody at a wedding everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   wants our wedding that's what a cello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   mentioned the promotion for HP other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   like the wedding episode yay come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   watch the wedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   everybody dies these musicians musicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:06   are not very good i wonder why I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:10   anyway so you know i i've enjoyed it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   lot but i really i think you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   order i think the ending needs to he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   needs to stick the ending like i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   that's that's what it comes down to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   me if it really turns into like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   you can go back and and look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   whole the whole thing is a hole and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   wow yeah this was a great story will i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   recommend this to my friends once it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   all out there and I've read it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   start to finish and say yes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   what you can you come on your conscience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:36   i can when it's all like yeah i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39   recommend to you this excellent book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43   um I mean I like that's the question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   think Jason I think you and I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   had a conversation with the passes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48   whether or not and a bad ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49   sabotages everything that comes before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   they're there are numerous books and TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   shows and movies that I have recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   even though I felt like maybe the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:59   fell flat because I felt like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   beginning the journey of getting to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   point was still worthwhile and andrea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   was talking about lost earlier and while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   I disagree in certain i really like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:10   many ways the lost ending or I liked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   lot more than a lot of people do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   didn't feel that it undermined the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   of the series for me I felt like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   was still enjoyable in its own right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:20   it's hard to tell somebody to invest all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   the time in watching a sixth season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   series or a you know seven books read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:28   the second book series if the ending is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   kind of a letdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:32   so I around you know abstain from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35   judgment until that point I hear it get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   compared to battlestar a lot actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   where people not like that yes see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   that's the problem is that the ending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   that for me fell flat i can't recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   it to people like there's some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   great stuff in there but I feel like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   a whole the end of that series really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   crushes allow the beginning of it for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   but Ren generally to generally I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:58   this thing about epic fantasy for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01   while I once i get hooked into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:04   a story i will end up reading it epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   fantasy is not my preferred genre of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   voice why neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   yeah but I mean but that being said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   really enjoy reading these books and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   enjoying reading them and i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:19   probably buy the book in july when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   comes out and read that as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   presumably that I'm finished rereading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   the whole the books by then I and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:27   on the whole yet it's definitely a wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   and see game but in terms of I mean what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32   he's put out so far I like and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   comparison to other unnamed epic fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   writers of the last you know couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   decades is definitely higher up than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   them so that's that's where he registers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47   alright then you mentioned other fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   novels sub i'm wondering you rank uh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:54   name of the wind above or below this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:57   think they're they're very close for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   they're very different stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:00   anyway I mean like they're both fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:01   very different camps you know I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:06   mean there's a lot more magic obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   name of the wind it's a lot more focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   on that it's a it's in theory a smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   scope series ii notes it's very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   hook in fact if you actually manage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   finish it in a third book it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   focused very heavily on one character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   which is of which is a major difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   but it is I'll I appreciate that i find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:27   it a little more even tho bad stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   happens and bad stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:30   most assuredly does happen it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   more measured there's there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   levity you know I think that that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:38   it in some ways a more enjoyable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:42   right word but like it makes it some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43   ways more fun to read good but it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   lacks some of the scope or the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   intense historical like Captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   grittiness that the song of ice and fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   has so I don't know it might be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   an apples and oranges thing but i like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:56   like both of those writers quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   and they both have trouble getting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   walking book so I sympathize before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:01   go I wanted to ask you I'd sew a dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:04   with dragons right is coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:08   july 12 was finished today right when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11   11 it was finished as we record this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   podcast it is finished or so they claim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   will believe it when I see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:18   does anyone else think a dance with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:19   dragons would be really awkward like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   thinking like a highschool yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   yeah like all the dragons on one side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   and almost there so you decide to cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27   corpses on the other side there is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   awkward dance if you're a Dragonlord you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:34   know if you're a Targaryen it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   an awesome dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:37   yeah you'd be crowned like prom queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   yeah of course everybody else would the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   prom king would be horribly slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:46   murdered by a poison blade but hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   you're the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   what does it matter if things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:52   make an omelet without breaking space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:53   dragon eggs haha after they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:58   roasted and fire am i right right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:04   oh what a dance with dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   you're gonna you know place your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   pre-orders and start reading about July [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   twelfth you're going to wait and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:11   what what's the anticipation level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:14   I don't know fire I'm gonna buy it i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:18   read it i is the question for me whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   I really want to go back and reread the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:21   earlier books first off I'm just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   sort of catch up the synopsis but i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   guarantee that i will read it i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   pre-ordered it will show up on my kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   and i will read it i will not reread the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:33   books i really have no idea what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:35   on i read the synopsis but it has other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:38   things you guys talked about I had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   so I'm just gonna jump in and hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   remember the sheets so what with it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:47   have a podcast in memory of Scott McCall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   that three rounds in a dancer directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   it Scott like you it will be appearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:54   magically on my kindle on the morning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   july 12 and i look forward to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:59   that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   why did I waited on on uh on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   previous book until until recently so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:07   wouldn't be completely at sea when I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:10   to dance with dragons waiting forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:11   the wiki wiki helps Scott that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:14   whenever you get somewhere you like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   is that guy again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:17   yeah i just look it up for for pleasure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   reading i'm not doing research i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   going to wiki to figure out who somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   I just like okay I don't know he's well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:26   I i know that was it was a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   refresher for me because then I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:29   have to go back and look at previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   books and see if i could find where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33   mentioned the guy I was just looking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   the internet it doesn't matter that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   to me it doesn't matter i don't care if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38   Lord High valerian news related to Ned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:42   Stark and he stole a dragon baby and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   that's why the king is bad and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:48   has to go get him in own over it is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51   the subject my air or if a little weary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   and mrs. Heath budos you said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:59   very of household we're very pretentious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   exactly look it up on the wiki i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   adding a tree right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   excellent also what that while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   there put in the thing about raff the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   sweetling because they totally missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   that you're so strong up over this Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:14   you know I I expect my obsessive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:17   completest george RR martin wiki people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:20   to know more about characters mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:23   in the books that have been out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:24   years than me who's reading it in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   know will fully late in 2011 and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   let me down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:30   rafa sweetly he's like one of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   that Ari has praised for their death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   before she goes to sleep at night I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   guess I i got i got you i have no idea i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   gotta share with you i I just I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   happened to look up that the blog post i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   wrote when I actually met george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:44   martin and I i I've found that i quoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:47   an answer from him that I'd forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:48   which I quite enjoy which is what when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   asked how he keeps track of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   elaborate story line to numerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:53   characters in series george replied I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   have been living in this world since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   1991 these characters are more real to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59   me that most of the people i meet I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   I'll forget all of you in 15 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   haha alright so George are right I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:06   think and in one hour we could perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   well cover all 80 thousand pages of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   series don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   yes Don done and dusted never need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   revisit never accept you know in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   couple weeks we talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   television show right and when we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:23   about the next push damn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   alright well so there-there you go we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   covered everything you ever needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:28   know about the song of ice and fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   except for all the parts we skipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:33   because it's really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   I and a dance with dragons comes out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   july so we'll check back in after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   everybody's had a chance to read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   and and talked about it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:45   more about what we've been waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:46   some of those characters have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   hanging on the edge of a cliff for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   ten years the fingers get my tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:53   really have no idea who they're yeah who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:56   I yeah you're gonna go oh yeah was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   a thing was he in trouble oh I had why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   this guy and a clear what is going on is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03   it right and him and why is he oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   he's off the cliff now let's just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:08   that's the Scott McNulty method right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   is breeding believe you're an accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   until we cried and revisit george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   martin in the summer when we're out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   our hammocks in our backyards reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:19   poems about horrible things happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:22   made-up people in medieval Westeros i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:25   would like to thank everybody for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   participating in this exciting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   informative podcasts got Mykelti sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   Scott RR McNulty thank you oh thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   i will need to consult the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:40   wiki to figure out who yeah that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   you should do that it's although raff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:44   the sweetling is not mentioned in copper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:46   with but which either nor is jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   reitman it's very confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51   Daniel RR more'n see haha that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:55   pretty close how thank you for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   here this podcast has gone for so long I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   feel as though I've aged a year in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   time that we that's ok we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:03   split the plot podcast in half and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   released the second half for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:06   five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:07   good call good thank you and serenity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   are are called well thank you for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   here as well it is my great honor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   pleasure to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:16   I am Jason RR smell i guess just to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:21   parallel and I'd like to thank all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   listeners the uncomfortable from putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24   up with our silliness and by the way if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   you haven't read these books and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   gotten to this point what is wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:29   you know but you know what a spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   horn is until next time thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:35   listening being comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZF4xfw/3878">TS</a>]

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