38: Curse of the Bad Plot
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we're back for the uncomfortableness
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flash podcast discussing the new season
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of doctor who which is airing
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simultaneously in America and England
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it's so exciting i'm jason l joining me
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are Dan Morgan and serenity Caldwell
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hello and i know the latest doctor who
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episode i'll say it was it the curse of
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the black truck now wait that wasn't
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part of the Galleon curse of the black
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spot top was the third episode of this
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first half of this strange split doctor
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who season pirates there be pirates and
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amy pond with a cutlass yes yes well I
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was let's start with that that was a
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highlight
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I I you know if you watched i don't know
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if you saw the doctor who confidential
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but it was very clear that they were
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just taking off all the boxes of well if
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we do a pirate episode we got to do
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these things and one of them was there's
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going to be a sword fight and amy pond
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will have the sole yeah she buckled this
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washer to she did she swung across on a
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rope and it was a pretty much stayed
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like they definitely went down that list
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and they pretty much got them all out of
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the way in the first but 10 minutes or
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so about that walking the plank and and
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all of that now now I'm then the clever
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trick was that she didn't actually have
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to be that good at sword fighting
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because she just had to have a pointy
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thing that could cause you could draw
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blood because then the demon mermaid
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would come and get them because they
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have a black spot right i just thought
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it was hilarious
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the guns though what the heck that will
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help make you bleed
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yeah but I think there's a there's a bit
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of a hesitation to using a gun
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it's more the threat whereas the sword
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there's a it's very easy to accidentally
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cut yourself on a sword
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yes it's not easy to accidentally shoot
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yourself we doing a spoiler horn for
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this size him
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yes we're going to talk there's no
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spoiler horn because we're too lazy to
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put one in but we're going to talk about
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what happened because I that's I have a
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really quickly in light of our recent
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Doctor Who podcast and other doctor who
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podcasts that we've done previously an
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interesting show
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listen in and trying to make an
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emotional climax to this episode is is
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but I don't managers will ride ever in
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every week because it doesn't go around
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so ridiculous that it's funny now he's
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Kenny at this point
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look at ya you bastard I laughed out
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loud because we have just discussed this
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about how many times he could die week
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um and and it's just like yeah I would
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be funny if it not for the fact that
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they played it so straight and so
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dramatic alright so we just were all
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sitting there going a we know he's not
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gonna die right not like that right on
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board the point like you're not he's not
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getting drowned to death and sort of
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don't have disintegrated by aliens
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I mean granted that's a little well shot
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shot well no he was disintegrated by the
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aliens in the dream he was shot by your
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salary isn't and then fell in a crack by
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the crack it so I just as an emotional
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climax seek it did ring sort of a hollow
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because you there is it does not seem as
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though there is a real threat
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no I which kind of you know gives you a
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little left me a little bit cold i greet
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you and it's and it's worse than that
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actually I hate to say it because not
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only is it not really believable because
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they've killed him too many times so why
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is this you know why are we putting him
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in jeopardy but i have to say one of the
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laziest things I have seen on Doctor Who
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since it came back with the two or three
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minutes of CPR and he doesn't die and he
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doesn't wake up and she gives up and
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then suddenly he coughs out some water
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and he begins to breathe and he's okay
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that is that is something that you could
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see on any TV people and you do it get
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in there it's not played any differently
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it is it's not interesting
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there's no reason for it it's absolutely
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a failure to in my mind that that is the
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you know it creatively that is one of
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the lows of this show since its come
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back because it's so lazy it they're not
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not only is there no emotional
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connection because you know he's not
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going to die because they faked us out
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too many times before but
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I you know I don't watch Doctor Who to
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see something that I could see in the
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laziest you know cop show or hospital
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show on TV it's just so boring and and
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often i guess the other thing that got
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me about this episode was the other
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point which I thought it actually had a
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shot of getting you know being sort of I
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don't know
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interesting was the point at which they
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they kill the kid right like for me that
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was a moment of whoa wow ok well they're
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screwed and then I sort of as it sunk in
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for the next minute or so it's like that
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there's no way they're gonna kill a kid
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there yeah exactly right now the way it
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was that brief shocked with the initial
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part where they actually do like no one
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generally surprise saves ever yet it was
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like oh well home made this got
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interesting but sadly i feel like that
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was just again something that was played
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kind of Holly like now
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well they're gonna save him now yeah my
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wife turned to me and said the the
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internet gonna kill him on Doctor Who I
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said no instead this was like the clue
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the doctor needed he's like a-ha a child
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has been killed that's not possible to
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still be alive on my television show
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that's right but I mean and so as a
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result you know we're left with wap it
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watching something that entertaining
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mainly because the trappings you know
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hey doctor who deals pirates look good
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and yeah I'm you Bonnie all the pirate
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after is good
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I there is yet no he was great i thought
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that then the interchanges between him
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and the doctor with the best part of the
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episode is although my caverns
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yeah it all you're worried now because I
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have a hat i was waiting for hats are
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yeah but actually i think my favorite
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thing about this entire episode was I
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want to see the spin off at the end with
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the Pirates by yeah that was I was just
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like wow that looks that looks kind of
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cool actually there's an interesting
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idea that whether we are so it was a
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russell t davies moment I thought to
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wherein very much a sort of like why not
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have the Pirates have a spaceship just
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like anybody is it doesn't go over there
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and they've got a spaceship now just it
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it seems like that 1a kind of mad idea
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moment of like why not why not let them
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do that I'd like the idea is still a
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ship even he's benefits of spaceships
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dealership right i mean the whole idea
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were both captains and you know he could
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figure out sort of things in the TARDIS
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too because he's a captain
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understands these things which is great
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setup for the the later thing but you
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mentioned nobody dies and and actually
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that's one of the other reactions i had
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to this which is that it's a you know a
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the resolution of the plot is extremely
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derivative of the empty child in the
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doctor dances where you've got another
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medical hologram that's not killing
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people at saving them
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mmm yeah although i think that was more
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effective at that point because there
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had been a lot of episodes previous to
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that you know which people had talked
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about and so there was you know that
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sheer moment of everybody lives with
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such a great moment yeah because it was
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such it was a victory whereas we've kind
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of become accustomed to this you know
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this doctor this and to a certain extent
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the tenth doctor you know saving saving
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right I'm just saying the rest of the
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the little resolution where you're
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supposed to sort of say who want to plot
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she's actually trying to say to them I i
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we saw it i mean it's happened before
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here but the villain was basically
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Robert Picardo from Star Trek Voyager
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just what we're saying yeah at least
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eight the native name online medical
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emergency which I thought was money of
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course because his character or
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statement also named the doctor so this
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did did this episode seemed really
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slacked to you guys it's okay i don't
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like to me like they had been having
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minutes where the pirate material and
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then they didn't know what to do though
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and then and then that the ending is so
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weird they jammed up everything from the
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first two episodes into like 30 seconds
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at the @midnight Amelia everything not
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just that but like they recap you know
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his death and then burning him like I
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don't remember we can't tell him
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anything about that you're like this
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it's sort of like that was last week and
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right now but more than that like it was
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just the first 45 minutes of the episode
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are you know like there's no connection
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whatsoever right well I feel it's the
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same it's the same thing two in the
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first two episodes or he's like oh we
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could figure out more about this or
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we're going to go off on adventures and
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it's it feels like a tagline you know
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and a lot of american shows actually I
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feel like american american shows that
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have standalone episodes as well as the
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plot based episodes will do that towards
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the end where it's like everything was
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safe contained but they do a better job
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of it I find because there's always
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something sprinkled throughout the
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episode
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code even if it's just interchanges with
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characters will reference something even
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if it's you know like and again
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throughout the episode is just
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chronologically the pacing was weird
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here because it was like again
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95% the episode with no mention
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whatsoever and then everything thrown
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into the last little bit of the opposite
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right it's not enough for any more like
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having aside while they're trapped in
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the hold about the doctor and knowing
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that he's gonna die so he can't die now
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because we saw him die in the future or
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something like that instead it's all
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right at the very end just to accept
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lead you into the trailer that little
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weird bit is the eyepatch lady where we
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have I personally in which in the second
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episode because I I couldn't remember
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Susan the in the institution with the
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crazy guy in the stuff on the walls the
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mic off except that in vain that was for
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40 children as you have a wall the
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sliding door and right this time it
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wasn't over yet
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yeah we've seen so yeah I mean clearly
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there's something going on there right
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now which is nice at least you know
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there's there's a continuity for that
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looks like it was showing up in all
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those episodes yeah you know yeah it is
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set up it feels a little scattered
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resolution that there's a spaceship
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it didn't really seem to go anywhere
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like the other ones didn't and that and
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it didn't help i think that the that the
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the siren turns out to be a completely
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personality free drone you know she
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have a line who doesn't ever say
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anything she just stands and looks
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pretty or occasionally medicine
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ya like like doctors do right right yeah
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perfectly normal
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yeah I hate it when my doctor turns red
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it's just something about them sooner
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yeah it did and here's the thing about
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the very end the kids and their
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everybody else who was sick once they
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because she couldn't figure out how to
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fix them so why are they all of a sudden
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little prick my finger or something but
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then the Sun was really sick so is that
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nobody had a little thing had a little
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medical thing stuck on him so the idea
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of eros that he's you know able as long
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as he stays in the care of the medical
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drone he's he's alive I I don't know it
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yeah I'm willing to give it kind of a
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pass on that because it is fanciful it's
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just like I'm a piratical to tickle off
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but I hate giving doctor who will pass
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though it's just that was the least of
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my problems with the episode the and
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besides able to have a tube stuck to his
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neck and still talk you know it was that
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way down on my list for this one
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agreed yeah I don't know I just lacking
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yeah like I might get a steak what my
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kids liked it i have to say and I think
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it's because you know there were pirates
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kind of scary but not that scary and you
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know I think they still found it kind of
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intense but you know they liked it and
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so i will say that i think that it it
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work just because it does have that nice
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atmosphere around it and then when they
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get out of the pirate ship there in a
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kind of weird creepy atmosphere that
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doctor who does pretty well and you know
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but on so on the kid level maybe it
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worked because you do get a lot of
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credit for having pirates right now that
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was that was fun with my parents and
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yeah exactly but i'm 78 it's kinda yeah
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it feels kinda I think shoddy you know
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like we were saying because things like
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you know i'll just go back to the TARDIS
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and get out there oh we have to invent a
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reason why the TARDIS doesn't work
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yes it didn't really make sense that was
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he a long painful scene to wear where he
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matt smith and and Hugh Bonneville rrr
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the captain are running around the
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TARDIS control and there's the funny
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part where they're comparing sort of his
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captains and then the doctors have
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problems with the target taking off and
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he's talking about that and that makes
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know that mean not only do i have a hard
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time actually hearing him because the
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sound effects and the music were so loud
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but mumble it seemed it seemed like he
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was it was just technobabble it really
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was just like you know oh the TARDIS is
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doing crazy things I don't understand
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why and that that also seemed like like
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padding like they really had to stretch
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out the episode right was also felt like
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you know we just need to in you know in
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mental imagery right you don't have a
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really good reason why this would happen
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in the course the episode but in
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addition technobabble but in addition
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they took that you know they took an
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extra two minutes right i mean i felt it
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felt like it was both it was trying to
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fix something with the plot but it was
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also just sort of like filling out the
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episode this episode really felt more
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than you know you hear how they have to
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write you know red extra scenes and fax
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them to the set because they're hit
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their short a few a few minutes and and
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you know I idea i rarely if ever noticed
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them this episode felt like they were so
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short they just didn't have material and
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they did their story just couldn't fit
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in 45 minutes so they they stretched it
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they just kind of amped I hate to say it
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but uh I almost wish this episode been
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10 minutes and they stuck the other 30
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on teal games episode because that was
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apparently way over
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yeah I heard I heard that was over
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budget as well but we did get an
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intriguing teaser we did
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yeah so are we are we done beating up
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the black spot because then we can talk
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and talk
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yeah I think I think climbing a lot of
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sad the less said about the rest of the
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black spot the better you look great
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though I will say again I think that
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this series looks fantastic
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it was a lot of black spot and i still
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enjoy you know matt smith i think it
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still does great with with what he's
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presented I feel like I really enjoyed
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the 11th doctor still in to a certain
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extent Amy and Rory although i really i
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want to like worry more I feel like
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Rory's in a position where he stole he's
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a few the early season 9 era you know
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for sticky and it didn't wanna think he
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got cool later on i really liked Mickey
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I think he knew he was the dog right but
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it's like I don't worry was that you
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know the Roman
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soldier for 2,000 years Guardians right
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little more of a badass we had that and
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then now that he's back in every mode
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grab the Pirates grab me he's like yeah
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I can't get away take it away for one
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guy anymore 2,000 years
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yeah poor for Rory Rory doesn't deserve
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better he deserves better just to then
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not be the victim of the week and to
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show that he's more capable and maybe
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they're setting them up for some of that
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because I hope you're happy because they
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write him that wayward like clearly i
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think he's got the range i think Arthur
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Darvill got the range and the capability
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to play more complex than that and we've
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seen the size of it but yeah they should
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the instead of resetting him back to
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Annapolis companion you know I feel like
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it'd be nice if they gave him a little
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more air to breathe
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yeah I'm with you alright so next time
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trailer neil gaiman the doctor's wife is
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the name of the episode and that's
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certainly a horrible miss direction but
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that's ok and it looked it looked dark
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and scary that we got the hint of
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another time lord maybe being out maybe
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maybe I'm just a traffic and just out of
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the dude dude
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yes there's an appearance and manner of
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the you'd and a real suggestion that
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this is this is at last actually with
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the exception of one shot in the
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Christmas invasion we have not seen
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which was really just a redressed wall
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of the main targets interior we have not
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seen other rooms or quarters or anything
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outside of the other terrorist control
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room since the show came back and I
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think this is the episode where a lot of
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stuff is going to happen it on the inner
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deep inside the TARDIS which was which
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was hinted at this week where he said
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you can go that way to the bathroom or
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that way which is really nice and
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there's names there's been hints at it
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right but we've never seen a little
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we've never seen anybody better David
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Tennant picking out his his suit from
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the Wardrobe we haven't seen the inside
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of the TARDIS and i think i think no
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games episode is where we went along the
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TARDIS and forgive my forgive my
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ignorance of of doctors gone before but
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it has there in the print prior
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incarnations have they spent more time
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inside the hands
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oh yeah I mean there's a
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Peter Davison's first episode I think
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large chunks of it are running around in
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quarters in the TARDIS and going to you
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know various rooms like a meditation
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room where he tries to sleep off his
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regeneration for awhile it have been
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yeah there's been a bunch of their
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Daleks and the TARDIS at one point and I
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so that's where there's crevasses
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there's there's actually I think
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somebody says there's a fandom thing
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that says that there's still like a
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Dalek or sometime and running around
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somewhere in the torque is lost because
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you know you can do it anywhere episode
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just lost in the target right usually
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its infinite so so yes they have done
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that in the classic show but not the new
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show so it'll be interesting to see and
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nvm and they I think it's michael sheen
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actually renowned director Michael Sheen
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who's who's got a deep scary voice that
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he takes over people's uh like he's our
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master and we do what he says you know
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it's like yeah that's terrifying and we
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we saw that clip there's a clip in the
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trailer right that's the you know I've
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killed hundreds of Timelords and met
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over its reply is how I killed all of
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them so tough that high high
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expectations for added so after that we
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have what three more before this sort of
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season cliffhanger yeah
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76 in the yeah it's um yes seven and six
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other word episode 3 episode 4 steel
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gaiman uh five and six are two parter by
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because we did life on morrison & ashes
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Matthew Graham and then the and then the
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finale midseason followed by Moffat so
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that's what's to come
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I you know I don't know maybe it's too
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early in the season stay but I guess we
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have already had one sees an entirely
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Steven Moffat I I like Steven Moffat a
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lot but and I like you know that was
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obviously written some some really great
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episodes for prior seasons as well but i
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guess you know so far i feel like i have
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expected more from him as the showrunner
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and he is not yet delivered necessary
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and all of that but you know obviously
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it's so early in the season to say he
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pulled it out of the fire last season I
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was after that two-part
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with the with the Silurians yeah i
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remember i was ready i was ready to give
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it up I was so despairing and then they
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they turned it around the rest of the
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season was really great but yeah it's a
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I'm starting to feel like they're gonna
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you know that he move on and they find
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really new and do some different stuff
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episode for every season maybe he
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doesn't really have anything new to say
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most of it so I just because i think i
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work that he's done for example on
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oh yeah and it's clear that he's got
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interesting ideas rice it just made me
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that the doc doctor who is not been his
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he's run out for so many years of having
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penned up all these ideas if he's kind
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of blown through them a little bit
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quicker than he
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yeah i'm going to choose to be hopeful
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about Steven Moffat and and assume that
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he's not blowing through all of his
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season which is happened on many and
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many an occasion and holds out last year
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ridiculous after three episodes but you
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i don't want to be burned
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yeah very very sensitive yeah we've been
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hurt before i can have I have been here
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before so many times shows the number
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wrong to you in the past also many shows
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that have wronged me
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alright well so that was a good way to
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start a setup
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that was that was depressing the well no
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that's what the short version of it is
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it was disappointing and and there are
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some things to do like about it but kind
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of mass kinda bored and upward yeah
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yes Neil Gaiman next week we're all
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excited for that I am
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yeah I don't want to be yeah I want to
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begin I would have been happening the
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next time trailer basically what we're
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saying and a good time trailer looks
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just if I I I would really rather never
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see another live dammit live CPR scene
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again as long as I live serious i agree
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I die if I'm dying inside that she is
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glad to add on to she did do it wrong
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i'm done with everything else after he
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told her not to he's a nurse listen to
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yeah I want to play that scene back Amy
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trust me i'm a nurse I know don't save
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improved for talking about how the
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mermaid wolf or forgetting her happy
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pregnant baby with her quantum pregnancy
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nothing worse than being half pregnant
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yeah what it wants and pregnancy is the
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name of my new band by the way you know
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it isn't me and they ended the same
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episode exactly the same way was making
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it like Justin gates you really weren't
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the last stinger is pregnant yes no
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that's why I'm saying it reminds me of
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american television don't have Americans
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realize skeleton is that because it's
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the fact that it it just makes it like
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what did we just watch for 45 minutes
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it was unimportant they're basically
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telling us the most climactic thing we
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can end this episode on is something we
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rested so as point at the trailer for
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that's your way and that's why it's a
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filler episode
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yeah i guess so i want you know but
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pirates the pirates minutes
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yes alright well that now that we've
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depressed everybody and all the doctor
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who fans have thrown away their ipod
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nods and discussed I'm gonna buy you
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know thank you for coming on and and
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it's like therapy sometimes podcasting
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little baby talk it through which is
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better shared with others
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that's right always a writer of company
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uncomfortable / dr. podcast for Dan
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Morgan and serenity coldwell I'm Jason
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cell thanks for listening
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