The Incomparable

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00:00:07 ◼   ► every jun 2011 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► the TV season or at least the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► traditional network TV season has [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► wrapped up and as a result we want to [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► check in on one of our favorite shows [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► and well maybe it's not our favorite [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► show one of the shows that is available [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► let's put that judges it is the most [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► politically correct podcast many shows [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► are available this is what i am talking [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► about Fox television's sci-fi series [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► fringe and joining me today I'm Jason [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► smell your host joining me today to [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► discuss fringe rd and more in hi Dan [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► hello Jason and John siracusa hi John [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► idealism John is in an alternate [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► universe just so you know this is this [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► is the alternate John we're all in an [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► alternate universe [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► damn he is actually he's actually [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► hypocritical interesting strange you [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► didn't see that coming but they he he [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► has a serious lack of criticism [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► yeah he just loves everything wow that's [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► come about real genius haha sorry that [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► was my will do not funny [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► well you think it was funny and I'll [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► universe it was funny [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► I'm only here to amuse myself and as [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► such doing great job done excellent work [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► so so fringe we we talked about it in [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► fact where you guys on that podcast [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► where we talked about sci-fi TV in the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► fall i believe i was just podcast along [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► now that I don't even remember the too [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► many episodes so so fringe I thought it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► has been a show that is generally gotten [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► better over time as they've gotten to [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► evolve their story and this season we [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► really got to see I think they're kind [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► of full-blown concept of the two [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► parallel universes and all the different [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► all the different ramifications of that [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► and you know what it but it's [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► interesting to look back on it from from [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► when where we started this season this [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► season started with this idea that [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► Olivia had been swapped with her [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► duplicate and [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► she had been like locked up in a in a in [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► a Cell in the Ultimate Universe and the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► duplicate Olivia was in place but we [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► ended up getting was sort of alternating [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► storylines for a while where we were in [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► one universe and we're in the other [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► universe and you know I i really liked [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it i thought that when I really well and [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► was great use of the cast being able to [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► be two different characters but it's [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► still being one show i really enjoyed it [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► and it's funny because one around the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► time the season started I watching an [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► interview with former foes the Catholic [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► was just the cast or a few of the the [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► main members and they kept stressing [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► this idea that like their goal was to [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► make you care about those alternate [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► versions of the characters like and not [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► just having begin makes likely evil Kirk [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► right like on Star Trek but to actually [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► have you sort of sympathize with those [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► alternate characters and they said you [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► know if we've done that then our job is [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► really is really done and I think they [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► actually managed to pull it off like you [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► know they were in almost I mean there [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► are few almost entire episodes in which [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► we don't see our universe right and i [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► still felt really engaged in like [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► interested in what was going on I really [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► came to like a lot of the characters in [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► the alternate universe it gave us a [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► chance to like play around with some [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► characters who I felt like got kinda [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► short shrift in our universe like [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► Charlie for example rather they killed [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► off and right and so we get the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► alternate version and he's kinda you [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► know I think he's there's something [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► about a lot of the characters in the [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► alternate universe that are almost more [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► I mean it's more of a science fiction [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► using the universe and some rice so and [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the characters are I think a little more [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► allowed to Duke like slightly crazier [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► stuff for be a little more off the wall [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► I mean like the the alternate Olivia and [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► they and they say point this out i think [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► which I which I found interesting [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► because a lot of people can sort of [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► characterize Anna tours you know [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► performance and effort season and tu as [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► des very you know wooden reserved and I [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► think you know seeing her play the [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► alternate Livia that we've realized that [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► like a lot of that's the character right [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and not necessarily heard she's capable [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► of playing a character who's a little [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► more you know outgoing and I [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► it has a little more you know spark to [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► her but that's just they're different [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► they're different people [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► I think your game everybody all the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► actors so really nice material and that [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► they get to differentiate themselves a [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► little bit but you're right i think that [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► anna torv showed that the most because [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► Olivia such a button-down character [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► she's just locked in she's your you know [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► tough FBI agent you know very similar [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► personality and so you know she got to [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► do a lot of other kind of wacky stuff [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that is is beyond what she was asked to [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► do before and I think she did show a lot [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► more range than then I had given her [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► credit for the one that surprised me the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► most was out Walter because I mean [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► obviously it's an actor playing a [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► character in the wacky Walter and then [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► the main universe but my lord of the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► rings he's he's nuts to write so yeah [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► but a different kind of nuts but the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► wall turn it like it looks like almost [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► like they use cg to change his face [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► because his whole life he stands up [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► straight and he's he's much more grim [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and his face looks less rumbly in the [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► comas hair and he just looks so [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► different acts so different and just [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► totally convincing I i'll actually like [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► Walternate better than Walter yeah [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► actually so I hardcore you know I [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► thought in the season finale I had a I [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► had a feeling that they were gonna kill [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► Walter and leave us with Walter net [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► which would have been sort of sad and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► yet would have been fascinating because [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you still have the same actor and and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► they're both great characters [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► yeah Walter 'not such a hundred 90 [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► degree shift for multi guess the idea [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► and the show is the Walter was so he [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► actually removed parts of his brain [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► because he was getting all messed up [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► yeah he's just he's messed up and sort [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► of probably messed up in somewhere i [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► love his i love I would be sad to see [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► Walter go I felt like because for no [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► other reason than those you know those [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► first two seasons don't work you know [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► like he is the most interesting part of [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the show several seasons him in the cow [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► right and at first but the first two [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► seasons [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► I felt like they burned through a lot of [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► their character their character set up [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► so they had done like so you have the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► relationship thing between Pacey and and [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► whatsherface are you calling tasted too [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► i got that everyone does that case yeah [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► it's called his paces are shadowed paid [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► that Peter in the Ultimate Universe died [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► but our universe but then they went to [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► the ultimate universal brought back pace [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► PCB and you have a Walther with his [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► guilt over his son and he's in the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► insane asylum like they had a bunch of [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► setup of like what here the tensions [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► between the characters and sort of like [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► once Peter gets together you know it's [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► kind of like once Mulder and Scully get [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► together that's kind of you know what do [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you do now you likely break them up and [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► then put it back together you gotta send [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► the alternate whatever Walter like we [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► found that his brain was messed up we [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► you know his son pretty much forgave him [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► and that tension from the first season [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► is gone he settled into his work you [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► know like all those things are starting [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► to resolve themselves and you got to get [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► into like secondary and tertiary [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► conflicts where you either re-involved [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► the original conflict or try to get up [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► some new one the alternate universe [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► gives you a whole new set of conflicts [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► with these characters have different [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► relationships you know they're not in [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the same relationships and there's [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► different tensions between people is [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► traditionally noticed that the romance [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► things where person a is interested in [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► person be but are they going to get [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► together as a couple more of those in [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► the alternate universe and there's you [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► know is this character irredeemably evil [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► vs is he gonna you know have feelings [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► for his son and stuff like that so in [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► season 2 they start to introduce those [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► in season three was like well we're [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► getting kind of tired of the main [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► universe because we've burned through [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► all of our stock there so let's do a [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► whole bunch of stuff in the alternate [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► universe where everything can be like [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► fresh and new again we're like we can [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► look at their the same actors and [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► they're really the same you know people [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► supposedly but its all new situations [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► and we can expect different things out [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► of them now for the for the next season [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► i wonder they're going to make a third [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► universe like it's just gonna be you [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► know you sob the glimpse at a third [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► universe right well it's it's it's well [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► so there's a couple things going on I i [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► do want to i do want to get there [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► because I have an idea about what's [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► going to happen in the next season two [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► but to talk about that the the two sets [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► for a little bit longer [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you know you're right I agree completely [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► i think not only did they allow us to [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► see these alternate versions and Dan you [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► know it's so true these are the like [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► x-men versions the fringe division to [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► the establishment they have great a big [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► cool headquarters in a truck that they [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► drive around in and they don't even like [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► they've been doing all this stuff a lot [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► longer right because I must be no don't [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► remember [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► right so the amber the vortexes and the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► and all those like you know the the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► cracks in the university they have to [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► deal with living in his eyes I universe [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► basically they're like they're like [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► consumers ahead of ya [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► yeah it's simply state wait there's some [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► really interesting stuff because by [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► putting our Olivia there and then having [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► to gradually figure out who she is which [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► is an interesting choice of much it [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► seems kind of weird and strange to me in [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► a little bit but it did allow her to be [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► our eyes and and the you know in [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► addition to the cute things like the DC [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► Comics covers that are different in the [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► fact that the Dodgers still play in [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► brooklyn and that then the West the west [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► wing is still on [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► yeah that was my favorite will throw [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► away the World Trade Center is still [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► standing [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► all of these things it is because of [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► this all the four texts and all that [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► happened because of our what our Walter [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► did it is a police state everybody has [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► their show me's and and you basically [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► everybody is watched and everything is [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► locked down which is a engineering do we [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► ever even here reference to a president [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► or is it really seemed like I think they [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► say that your mom is the president at [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► one point that's right they do it [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► somewhat but the second it seems very [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► much like Walternate the secretary of [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► defense is pretty much in charge of [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► everything right [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► maybe he's making universe destroying [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► decisions unilaterally isn't so that's [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► because it allowed to you know control [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the army but he's allowed to annihilate [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► the universe without consulting anyone [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► well you know any girls watch jordan [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► yeah you know you have a pretty sure I i [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► wanna i want to give props to a [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► relatively a character who I feel like [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► was introduced as a relatively minor [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► character and grew to be one of my [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► favorite characters and that's Lincoln [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Lincoln i love is what I'm a big fan I [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► like Seth Gabel he was previously on a [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► show called The Dirty Sexy Money that [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► did not last very long in which he [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► played kind of a spoiled rich brat [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► friend was so nice to see ya it's so [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► nice to see him play another part he was [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► always very likeable on that show and I [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► think they've given him something you [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► know they turned into like a badass in [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the show and so he he first appears one [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► at the end of season two [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► he gets three years on earth that was my [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► favorite things is that they don't they [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► don't explain it there's no exposition [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► he just comes on screen and he's all [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► messed up now know that Cano he gets he [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► gets burned in the season 2 finale by [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► one of the other one special power side [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah when they go out here they [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► don't explain like how is he still [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► walking isn't even in extreme pain is [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► the right guy like there's no there [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► there magical alternate oversight was [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► their way of expressing that the rules [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► are different in this university is not [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► a big deal that this happened to him [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► that Helen right exactly and that you [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► don't people just accept it really [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► thought he was dead but now well and and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I mean I like that you know they [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► developed his character i think is the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► season went along [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► I've heard that I believe he's coming on [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► as a as a regular house in the next [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► season which I'm super-excited about and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► i love that they then had the playback [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► where we see his version in our universe [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► who's this like nerdy dude with glasses [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► use like a field agent at all which was [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► just it was just such a nice little [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► totally had gotten so used to it at the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► end of the episode though he says hey I [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► like you guys maybe we could work [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► together in the future [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► yeah I was like sweet dreams wanna be [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► great well you got the alternate [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► asteroid who's like basically you know [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► she's not messing up just like yeah she [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► also she seems like she has some severe [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► personality as a mentat speaking of [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► bread doing [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► yeah it's um no I i really love the fact [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that the set the alternate universe is [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► different and yet the characters [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► recognizable that you can throw Charlie [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► in there you know there's no Peter [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► obviously but everybody's got your [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► license to kill [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► well no more cuz Broyles alternate [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Broyles dead right I thought more people [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► would be killed actually but that will [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► death of alternate Broyles which was I [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► think it may be the high point of the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► whole season is that episode where the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► the pho olivia is found out and Royals [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► is being convinced by alternate Broyles [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► has been convinced by our Olivia that he [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► needs that that Walter is dangerous and [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► needs to let her go and the you know in [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the end you know our Broyles finds his [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► ya dead body [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► yeah of yourself it seems to have [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► bounced back from that pretty well I get [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► anybody else has like the same scenes in [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► every episode [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► like damn attitude but they didn't [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► didn't give him room to like we don't [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► like we're not inside Broyles head to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► see how this is affecting and they gave [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► maybe 12 scenes where he's supposed to [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► look concerned about the fact that we [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► just saw his own body parts called [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► littered all over the inside of that and [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► it makes me sad because Lance if you [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► anyway introduce you watch the wire [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► Lance Reddick is a is a fantastic actor [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► and really I feel like is is under you [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► he's been one of my my disappointments [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► in the show and I just feel that he's [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► underutilized and they could be like [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► Skinner like Skinner was underutilized [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the x-files for a long time and hold [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► still is decided you know what let's [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► make Skinner do crazy stuff and then you [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► know he's gonna be able in the future is [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► he's a senator with a glass eye so easy [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► he's the authority you know he's the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► police captain basically right and it's [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► not it's a kind of a thankless part of [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► speaking of the wire bubbles is in [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► several episodes to as the all parallel [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► universe taxi driver who if they did [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► find is that but it's just a little [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► guest thing yeah I know but again you [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► you see these guys from the wire and you [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► like now [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► alright I just I just have to point out [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► Larry's i just got a direct message from [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► a friend of mine guy who I suggested to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► watch fringe and who just apropos of [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► nothing just have a direct message about [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► watching fringe right now and watching [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► anna torv do a leonard nimoy impression [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► another and i was about the best moment [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► yeah I had his brief moment of how did [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► he know we're recording this right now [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► what was that not i mean the whole any [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► more thing was very strange they kill [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► them off and I thought that was [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► perfectly good in the finale last year [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and yet they decided they wanted to go [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► back to it and so we end up with two [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► episodes where Anna Torv does a leonard [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► nimoy impression and then we get a [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► really kind of fun and strange episode [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► that's half animated where his voice and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► their animated well it was worse than [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► those uh those Taiwanese things or [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► whatever they call it goes it's that [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► it's the waking life technologies and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► it's a it's a technique that I it's not [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► my favorite either but it is a style [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► kind of choice to do that sorry [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► execution-style no no but I i actually [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► think that my kind of like I kind of [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► enjoyed I kind of enjoyed her her [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► leonard nimoy picture i was in which she [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► was kinda funny but then you thought [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that they were gonna take it seriously [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► and you can't to wait i was going yeah I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► don't know I was ok with it didn't [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► bother me as much [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► I mean next season no I could yeah it [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► will always remember when Max and I [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► couldn't remember actually from the end [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► of last season Howe heat he was in the [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► alternate universe and he's there he [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► basically like holds people often in [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► order to give them time to get back [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► right yeah man like button if there's an [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► explosion and ok so we don't see him die [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► we just what he's losing the heart of [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► the explosion and that's right confusion [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► is when the Olivia's get switched I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► think it's right all right so in the end [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► we have we have this final episode that [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► said in the future which is kind of [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► funny that they that they have this uh [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► almost like a season finale in the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► penultimate episode where you know he [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► gets into the Machine and there's a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► sudden he's in the future but that [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► wasn't the last episode there was a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► whole last episode that set in this [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► possible future [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► I don't know wait what's interesting [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► choice [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► well yeah and I mean I think what would [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► amuse me about it was that they [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► explained a lot of things that were kind [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► of lingering questions right like where [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the machine came from right which I have [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► a big problem with because they were [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► talking there was this ridiculous thread [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► about the first people and back before [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► there were humans there was a machine [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► and I thought I thought well that's [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► ridiculous that couldn't be possible and [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► I i like to think that that was just set [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► up for the fact that no no that's our [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► characters going back in time with this [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► it's ok it's a red herring right you [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► know what they did if you're lucky if [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► you want lost people did is they realize [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► what we have repented a vague backstory [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that could be this big gargantuan think [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► we better nip this in the bud because we [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► don't you know if you kept dragging it [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► out like were the first people who are [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the first people like satisfying whereas [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► it now you just go snip nope actually [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► was Walter you know and then you don't [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► have to worry about this big backstory [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► of like early settlers on earth aliens [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► and you know whatever crazy thing you're [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► gonna come up with better to snippet of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► course you still have the Watchers the [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► observers whatever right [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► floating that they're still they have so [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► much stuff that they can still go back [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► but I want to make I want to make a [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► reference because I don't John did you [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► ever read the city in the city [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► I tried to read it indeed not the guy I [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► three-quarters time I want to listen to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the podcast grounded for me [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► alright well what I think fascinating [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► about is I feel like I feel like the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► issue it's very similar they are [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► essentially they seem like breach a [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► little bit right and in this idea of [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► these two parallel universes which in [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► the finale at least in that particular [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► point overlap i don't know i did struck [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► a chord in me sort of a sympathetic [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► chord in me for those those two that's [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► funny story I actually I thought of the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► city in the city and we're talking about [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► discussed on the previous podcast China [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► Mieville novel award-winning novel the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► city university I actually thought that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► the end result of the final episode of [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► this season sets up almost that kind of [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► scenario except across universes where [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► in the city and the city the two cities [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► overlaid and there's the one building [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► that they can go in to transfer from one [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► to the other and write the two universes [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► are overlaid in this scenario and [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► Liberty Island basically the Statue of [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Liberty is the one place where you can [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► connect from one universe to the other [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► so it presumably that's the the way that [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► they take this story next season is that [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► is that now is just an association [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► between right but people can go in and [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► out is the point right to their other [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► universes so presumably you could have [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► any number of kind of mixtures of people [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► going to one universe or another [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► universe because they're now the door is [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► open and anybody can step through [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► whereas before it was at supposedly kind [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► of but not really i need to transfer [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► found that to the other [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► I you know I have to admit from a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► dramatic standpoint I I loved that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► development just because I didn't see it [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► coming and when I I figured it out a [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► split second you know like before they [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► explained it and I just started cracking [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► up because I just thought like it [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► because they got that scene where [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► they're all like staring at each other [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► across the room and the way they cut it [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► i just like they did a great job because [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► I slowly you know they slowly sort of [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► sinks in like what just happened and [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► you're like oh my god this is going to [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► be you know this is going to change a [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► lot of things I was concerned with you [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► really how much about it will change [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► because you don't know if they're gonna [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► stick with it [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► this show is shown anything is that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► whatever you think they're doing from [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► episode to episode the next episode they [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► can completely change their mind change [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► directly i don't think they could have I [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► don't think they can keep those two sets [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► of characters apart any further frankly [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► just because of the way that the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► storylines were developing yeah i mean [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► they already have already killed one [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► whole set of them off but then said no [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► no rewind actually what we're doing here [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► is we're teaching the AC whose [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► envisioning this the lesson that will [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► prevent this for you know I mean they [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► just go in so many different directions [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► it with any time travel type thing right [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► at any point any set of characters can [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► be alive or dead that entire universe [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► was gone you know and and did a whole [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► show with that our universe gone but by [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► the end of that should've said no just [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► kidding it's actually to teach basic [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► lesson I go back home but it would solve [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► the over obvious was wasn't it though [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► that they weren't they were going to set [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► the rest of the show in the future there [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► was obviously yeah i know you never know [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► what I want to have another woman killed [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► the man characters but yes I think I'm [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► loop episode except from the other side [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► of it where you know they're gonna [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► figure out that they need to change [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► history and then they do I mean it was [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► sort of watching it slow and around so i [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► would say yes but in this show like for [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► example i saw i saw that they were gonna [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► do this overlap thing they would have to [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► meet and figure out how to resolve the [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► differences because that's the only that [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's clearly the way they were going but [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► then Pacey disappears I didn't see that [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► no that was yeah I was a shocker the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► idea that they've somehow change time [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► and some not longer certainly not only [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► made him disappear and never you know [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► like not be people are going nowhere to [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► everyone just forgot he existed yeah now [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that was a challenge me a little bit [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► because i don't personally i don't know [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► whether the actors leaving the show [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► because and then the practical sense [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► that's what you need to know to know [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► where they're going to do with the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► actors i understand this is the way you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► get them off the show he's my [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► understanding show you know if he's not [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► leaving the show what I have to do what [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► I'm not looking forward to his next [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► like I like the idea of no one remembers [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► that existed but he's not leaving the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► show we gotta deal with the whole season [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► of people going Pacey that name it means [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► something to me I remember remember [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► create loved him once and look if he [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► didn't exist he didn't exist right but [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► then they can't hold that line because [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► then you know where will he be he won't [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► be on the show anymore [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► well I assume the emotional touchy-feely [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► like well he didn't exist but the oven [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► doors and they still remember and that [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► BS bothers me [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► Mike Bryant my assumption you know just [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► based on my own feeling is that he's [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► going to become an observer basically or [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► somehow and doctors head with the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► observers you guys got shaved huh [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► I is a pepper I'm with John in the sense [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► that I sort of dread the them stretching [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► that story out because quite frankly I [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► mean if they're not getting rid of them [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► and they're not [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► I you know it's a it's a fun plot twist [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► but if we spend eight episodes of people [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► gradually realizing that he actually did [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► exist that that sounds like death to me [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► I'd much rather than Brazil likely i [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► like the idea that he didn't ever exist [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► I that's that's good sci-fi to me that [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► he just blink and he's gone and he never [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► existed and you don't have like you [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► don't have these hints of like I seem to [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► remember no you don't remember because [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► he never use it that's the whole point [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► like that's that's committing to you [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► know but it doesn't make sense and I [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► think that's probably where they're [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► gonna go with it is that it doesn't [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► really make sense because the whole [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► reason that the two universes and the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► one hand and the one has problems is [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► because of the of Walter coming over [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► across and saving his life and that they [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► couldn't let me have any of the numbers [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► if the observers like I like you could [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► you don't know where the observers [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► coming into this so you could make sense [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► of it by saying well he went back to get [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► a son but the observers knew that [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► clearly couldn't happen but one of them [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► had a soft spot so make him think he was [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► bringing him back and really peter is a [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► manufacturer the Peter they brought back [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► as a manufactured entity from the [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► observers to try to stitch up the [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► timelines and then I had exist you know [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► when he died and he died in both [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► universes but before they took him away [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► in fact they got so thorough they just [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► killed joshua jackson like you know what [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► this is really method acting reinstall [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the tapes of dawson's creek [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► no no it was only on mr. a spacey and [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► then it looks very strange but it's like [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► Garfield Garfield huh yeah yeah but it's [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► you know it could be fun right i mean if [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► they do it right about the idea that one [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► of your main characters is just vanished [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► could could be fun i just i dreaded [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► getting dragged out [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► also we'll see i don't i don't like the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► touchy-feely think he's gone are you [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► right on your right i don't want to see [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► him like I guess him in an internal [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► really person in this party is ok well i [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► really like pacing in a different [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► universe where he realizes that he's [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► been taken out of it [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► mine wants to get back and he has you [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► know ways where he's trying maybe he's [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► there may be using the third universe [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► with the other Walter trying to look I [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► can't explain the situation saying you [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► have to get me back to my universe and [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► they're constantly doing things that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► affect the other universe and eventually [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► gets back you know that makes sense [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► plot-wise but in the fridge universe but [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the the business where you you know they [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► did this with Olivia to like are you the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► new Olivia the old one I seem to [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► remember there was this man right I [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► loved and you know that love conquers [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► all stuff the future scenario i thought [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► was I thought was fun [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► I i thought that it was obvious that we [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► were just kind of dwelling in it in [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► order to see the past get changed and I [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► thought it was a little weird that you [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► know peter is is his consciousness to [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► sort of taken forward but then he he [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► doesn't remember it's and which seemed [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► kind of inconsistent like they did that [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► so that we would see what was going on [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► but that's not actually what it was so I [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► thought that was kind of confusing but [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► it was interesting to see all right here [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► are the ramifications of this future we [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► destroyed the other universe which is [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► what you thought we were going to do [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► because you wouldn't destroy our [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► universe and it turns out everything is [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► bad so that's not the solution so we [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► have to go for some other wacky your [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► solution I you know I enjoyed venture go [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► yeah yeah we gonna do it again what they [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► did a great job with is the fact that [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► the whole the whole the future universe [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► feels very flushed out you know very [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► realized in terms of its its distinct [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► right from both universes it's kind of [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► got a little bit of both but at the same [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► time its own thing we get to see you [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► know Olivia to hire and basically like [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► Broyles job and we have to see her you [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► know nice as a as a rookie friend friend [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► agent because he Peter actually finally [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► gets to you know carry a gun and [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► everything and I don't know I felt like [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► a very it was a very sci-fi universe [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► which one to alter in jail that was just [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► there is no justice in that [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► guess I don't think as we it was never [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► clear no try it was clear why they were [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► saying he was in jail it was saying he [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► was in jail because it's like you did [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► this you know our universe is falling [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► apart it's basically your fault but of [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► all the like everything he's done has [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► been motivated in good ways meet say he [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► saved the universe effectively so many [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► different times you gonna blame him for [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► like well it's I've never tried to save [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► your son i think [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► they generally titles i think they [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► deliberately you know but despite the [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► fact that they just say she was put on [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► trial for that I think we're [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► deliberately missing piece of pieces of [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► that puzzle in the same way that you [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► know we're told that Broyles you know [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► lost his eye and Peter says alibaba you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► know you remember Detroit like these are [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► things that are clearly you know were [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► deliberately left out and I mean I [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► really like Walter should be in jail and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► their primary universe 20 times over for [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► the stuff that he's done unwilling [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► victims and to the universal never but [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► now he gets the pass and the Prime [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► universe but in the future university [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► hey wait a second is Walter is really [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► screwing stuff up for us put him in jail [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► my little better [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► meanwhile in a really nice twist the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► wall tournament is the only survivor of [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► his universe and it's just wandering [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► around which you know on one level talk [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► about a guy who is a kind of a bad guy [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► but I guess everybody sympathetic to him [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► after we help people that they feel bad [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► for this horrible mass murderer was [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► trying to destroy the universe but [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► Walter isn't there [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► Walter's in jail but Walter it's ok we [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► feel bad for him we killed the whole [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► universe is like a pity freedom but i do [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► love the fact that the wall that wall [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► turn it is is wandering around and [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► plotting and thatthat's that I thought [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► that was a really nice touch that the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► idea of of him without without the rest [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► of his universe because honestly I [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► thought going into the finale that what [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► we were going to get with something a [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► little more devastating like they would [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► you know they would blow up one of the [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► universe's but that would be kind of [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► missing pieces or extra people on one [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► side and so that we you know we have [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► some more of that kind of missing you [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► know or just miss matched pairs of of [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► people but instead they you know I I [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► think we were all sort of led to believe [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► it was one universe vs another right [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► that was the whole setup and so that [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► final episode services saying no no no [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► you can't do that because everybody dies [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► or we figure out a way to work together [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► which you know is a cool-looking to next [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► season i think is a a really cool idea [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that there everybody does have to work [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► together and and the doors are wide open [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and and both universes are experiencing [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► the strange effects and it gives them a [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► lot of room for for a different kind of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► storytelling next season then they had [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► this season where we had the the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► parallels going back and forth [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► I don't think they spend enough time [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► talking about are hinting at [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► I mean this is something like I don't [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► know maybe we could not be too [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► heavy-handed but talking about why it is [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the people within a particular universe [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► feel an allegiance to that universe [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► because Peters the perfect foil for that [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► because he went over to the other one is [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► like this is my real dad but maybe I [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► care about these people and it's like [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► what bio it by what thing are you [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► choosing to care about the people in [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► your year it's like it's like liking [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► sports team that that's closest to the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► place that you were born it's really [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► just arbitrary and then they do what are [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► you saying you wouldn't fight for our [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► universe John and I'm saying like you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► know they do is Patriot Act stuff with [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► the police state and they do all sorts [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► of like you know subtle and [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► not-so-subtle political statements but [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► never did they question the premise that [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► well of course the people from this [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► universe want want to save the people [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► miss universe and hate the people in the [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► other universe and it's just it's such a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► sort of you know unquestioning [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► xenophobia they really makes no sense [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► that they're literally the same people [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► and are many Americans actually from the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► other universe but in this one you know [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► yeah i think it's i mean you know you [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► can you can viewed as a comment on [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► patriotism if you want you know if you [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► really feel like sometimes but they had [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► a member they'd never explored like you [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► never see the characters argument even [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► when Peter was trying to forward his [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► allegiances were and stuff they never [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► it's always like a person like which [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Olivia do love more it but it's never [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like why why do we not care about the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► people that universe why are we trying [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► to save our universe at the cost of [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► there's no making my second i think [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► that's the that's get seems like kind of [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► a no-brainer to me I mean like I think [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that's how people would act well yeah [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► but I don't really have a lot of people [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► knowing like maybe this other university [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► so bad guys I think that's what happened [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► over there and your mom's still alive [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► and you know your friends are basically [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► there maybe you have a they have better [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► jobs and you have like sorry but doctors [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► are still in Brooklyn know right exactly [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► you know well west wing close i wasn't [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► all your texts sucking in matter your [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► button [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► no I think the reason that they have the [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► wall turn it is to set up a villain who [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► is sort of ruthlessly committed to [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► having their universe win and destroy [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► our universe to kind of offset some of [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► those questions and one minute more is [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► like like he's upset because someone [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► stole his son that's his origin story [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► right but it's just him and turned him [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► into this you know kind of power mad mad [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► museum easy that you can say is the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► Emperor [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► he's got a little hologram you didn't [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► have the house come on but it's not [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► flickering blue so he's much better [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► hologram technology that doesn't have [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► much better hologram technology talk [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► about Star Wars sometime but not this [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► podcast on know the the I'm hoping that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► next season will get a little more of [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► that where they're forced to work [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► together and therefore forced to perhaps [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► recognize that you know the universes [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► are different and and not one superior [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► to the other and that you know since [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► they're kind of tied together that's the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► whole premise is it's not you can't just [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► destroy one and let the other live they [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► both have to find a way to survive which [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► is cool because that that turns that [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► story on its head although my wife kept [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► on repeating a line from i believe it's [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► Stargate where there's a parallel [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► universe episode and Teal'c says at one [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► point our universe is the only one of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► consequence as he's like mowing down [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► parallel force in some people that [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► there's something to be said for that [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that just pure sophisms like really i [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► don't i don't care about these other [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► parallel universe whatever it's mine i [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► want my universe to survive but the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► other way what does it actually makes me [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► a little over there [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► yeah absolutely but I it that sort of [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► shortsightedness strikes me I just [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► totally realistic like people would just [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► yet people would just be like I don't [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► know those people that's like a toilet [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► yeah looks like you're ready with a [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► relative space a little they look like [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► me but that I don't know them you know [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► anybody but you think the the regular [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► people can be said about the protagonist [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► in the show are constantly dealing with [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► this alternate like they're they are the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► people dealing with this problem [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► absolutely unacceptable too weird even [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► for us right well Pacey like I said [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► paces from the other universe and yet [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► he's chosen this other one to fight for [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► and why don't they say like hey you know [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► we're gonna kill everybody in supposedly [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► your universe but you seems like this [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► one is it because just because you grew [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► up here or you were here since you were [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► like it's basically two runners move to [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► move to the west coast when I was a kid [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► and that's why i like the giants and its [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► nature nature versus nurture jump so [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► when it comes down to one of the things [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► about the show that has always [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► fascinated me and we got a lot more of [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► that this season but it started last [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► season as well is is the fact that at [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► its core this show's premise that the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► most important thing about this show is [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► this very [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► sad story about parents losing a child [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► and that and I really love this about [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the show that the entire universe two [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► universes are put in just his in [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► existential peril because a guy wanted [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► to save his son and a particularly nice [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► guy too that's the best part [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► Walter was not not a you know like I [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► love guys could write he was he was [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► doing horrible things to children [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► yes he was experimenting with this [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► through his refusal to let his own son [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► go you know like his whole he has a good [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► character arc on it is you know I i like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► most of the characters in the show [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► because the evil guy is kind of easily [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► good reason and the good guy Walter was [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► not really so good [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► most of his life right right it has a [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► sort of remove parts of his brain hurt [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► just different charities castrated [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► himself Natalie yeah but i just i love [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► that score I mean that the beauty of the [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the whole pier Walter's relationship and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► in the last episode we saw that where he [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► refers to Walter as his dad but refers [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► to alternate as his father [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► uh-huh which I thought was really a nice [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► way to to handle that is that you know [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► he's in this position because Walter [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► couldn't save his own son but realized [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► he could save the other one and you know [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► messed everything up but it came from [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► this you know essentially an act of love [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► at it had been a very sad situation but [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► also a supreme active of arrogance right [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► that you know I can happening [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah it wasn't like it raised [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► wonder the guy from the universe he [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► doesn't mind he's not other universe [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► prejudice we got a couple the word for [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that Universal isn't universalist [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► universalist that's right now he's got [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► no choice he lost his peter is like well [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► I'll take the second-best you know [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that's the joke and in futurama i love [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► which is that they come to the edge of [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the University the parallel universe [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► where they're all wearing cowboy hats [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► and they say will call your universe [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► universe one [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► well we'll call our universe universe a [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► everybody likes their own universe the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► best come on it's just the way it works [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► then that will be even the scenario next [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► season i guess which will prepare for [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► lots of you know split screen shots and [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► stunt doubles [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► if it wasn't long enough they will have [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► to eventually have like the big reveal [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► at the end of some season like nine [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► hundred different universes where [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► everyone has subtly different facial [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► hair right i mean like that that's the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► one thing that always kind of bothered [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► me about this show is what is the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► rationale for two universes I I assume [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► there's an answer it doesn't make sense [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► if you think about it we went over this [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► last data is deleted [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► yeah I can't let that kind of blows me [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► away was like I try not to think about [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► it you're you know there is why are [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► there only they have well I'm just [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► saying well that there might only be too [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► because they're linked because the one [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► that that that Walter burst through to [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► is this other version and that now [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► they're kind of stuck together but just [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► all the other ones have like they're all [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► like other the infinite number of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► universes all just have dinosaurs in [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► them that's all these are the only two [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► with humans [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► well the fact that these two were like [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► identical you know identical except for [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► the Zeppelin's on the day they were [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► linked together is the ridiculous bit [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► you know that that they're they're [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► obviously different ways you can before [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► there was a whole burst through and now [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► it just it's a TV yeah it is yeah but i [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► guess i think between anyway and they [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► may actually tell the story at some [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► point about you know what was the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► divergence pointer why is it like this [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► or they may just say you know let's just [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► say there are 2i I think somebody's [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► they're gonna I mean they're like [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► Battlestar it's all going to be God the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► parent process or those sorry that we [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► always want to call them watchers there [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the watchers from Marvel Comics made [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► into TV characters right observe the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► difference between observing and [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► watching and it is who watches the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► watchmen but who observe is the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► observers right because in the Marvel [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► Comics is the bald guy who lives on the [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► moon and he watches what happens in [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► record and and occasionally will [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► interfere [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► even though he's not supposed to and [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► those bald guys are don't lift [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► well maybe they do live on the moon i [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► don't know where they live but that's [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► the observers infringed they're clearly [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► Starfleet officers violating the primary [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► so so well more seriously dead [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► hey the I don't use here by the way the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► Star Trek thing you're very confusing [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► you you referred to the evil Captain [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► Kirk earlier and most people think of [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the parallel universe episode of ER [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► stock but there was a naval captain kirk [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► in that episode well except i was [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► thinking about the one with the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► transporter accident where he gets [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► loaded i was i was going to take it you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► know kill us both Spock alright good i [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► just wanted to clarify that that that [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► you were [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► right now what I'm talking to the enemy [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► within not mirror mirror it's very [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► important distinction there [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► thank you i'm on this podcast don't like [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► Julian if you're not a nerd [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► I wasn't evil spy don't the a-10 a [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► dormir goatee we really have to go once [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► you have to go to your evil [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► yeah that's a definitive goatee that's [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► why i use that I used to have a goatee i [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► get rid of it so I view you don't know [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► which one I am now [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► yes the alternate universe denmark and [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► replaced and he a good one [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► yep that's right both of those right [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► yeah actually the the evil one is in [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► your attic now I don't have an addict [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► but yes they have primer connection from [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the last episode you [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► yes I can't believe I didn't get to be [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► on that one so disappointing [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► sorry it's because it was all I've can't [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► live in California yes you have to come [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► to California for that sorry [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► giggling was upset about it was like why [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► didn't i get my email it's like you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► we were just all have to be in the room [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► in the room so yeah sad [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► we're now I I lost track there was [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► something about what were we talking [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► about sorry you were saying range [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► something about friends next season the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► universe all versions this is that you [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► talked about to eat why there were just [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► two of them and they were linked [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► oh yeah okay so I I got it so more [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► seriously though about the about the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► observers are we going with this because [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they keep they keep being in a little [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► tiny bit and saying kind of maddening [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► things and and at first i thought the [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► show is going to be about the observers [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► because they kind of appeared first and [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► now we've got this whole complexity of [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► these parallel universes and now i have [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► no idea what they're planning with more [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► a statue is yeah we're totes statue [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► all right you're right i shot early [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► early on and it's the one thread they [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► refuse to really pick up or step off and [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► it's just you got always have something [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► in reserve and since they're so vague [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► you can really make up anything you want [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► as their explanation at any point in a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► timeline and not be inconsistent for [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► total expenditure was a lot later and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► lost but but I'm season 2 wasn't [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► the idea was the last episode is a [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► decision one [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► no no last episode of season two yeah [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► seems like pretty early because you're [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► just like so that was my favorite part [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► of Los was that foretold statue and then [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► just John that said he there what else [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► might I thought was that reveal the best [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► reveal ever [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► yeah why doesn't have four toes no [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► reason I got this show is called last [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► bowl that was highest that was either [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► they could count so I guess again I [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► guess it would be pointless so they [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► could make it up I just I I wonder where [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► they're going with it because they do [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► seem to be like the are they like what [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► they see the poor lighting vs or [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► yeah well I mean they had something like [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► maintaining the timeline right like they [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► seem to have a problem is that episode [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► where she'll save the girl right the one [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► of the guys save the girl who was before [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► trying to save the girl was supposed to [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► be on the plane or whatever right i mean [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► that we keep getting these glimpses I [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► mean I still think back to that first [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► one of those first scenes where there's [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► a scene within their see more like Peter [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► like meets one in the woods and he [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► starts doing that you they do the the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► rip-off from the doctor who episode [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► where he starts repeating him and then [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► he started saying I'm saying like what [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► he's saying before he says it so when I [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► never understood the point that what is [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► it then maybe the day showing that they [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► know they know the future and the past [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► and the present but there's obviously [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► squabble but you could've just said i [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► clearly can just have a normal [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► conversation we see that happen another [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► episode they have been traveling so [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► maybe by introducing the time travel [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► thing in this last episode that's what [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► that's where the observers come in is [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► that they're not as concerned about the [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► parallels as they are about that the [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► like messing up the timelines maybe to [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► observe have we ever seen an observer in [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the alternate universe that I don't know [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► stomping well and they have here the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► thing is you gotta keep you know that I [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► think there's probably a PDF page that [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► will answer this question there are but [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► they appear in a lot of different [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► episodes in the background [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► yeah i think it's french television com [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► has a whole page that is the observer [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► sightings to yeah but wouldn't it be [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► interesting if they never were in the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► alternate universe [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► what would that say I don't know you [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► want the writing staff of fringe dan [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you're confusing me we're here I'm [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► looking for I'm looking for suggestions [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► that's a maybe there's a whiz [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► word for anyone actually who has never [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► seen the absolutely brilliant [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► there's a youtube video about the [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► writers room of lost which just starts [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► with them say we are so screwed me up [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► trying to come up with all these [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► different answers for things [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► what if there's a wizard I don't like [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► wizard what if there's a witch [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► it's pretty the observer i think is in [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► the parallel universe to are you [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► checking this i am looking checking i'm [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► looking right now I don't know I mean [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► that would seem to me to be a deliberate [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► choice at that point right if the [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► observers never never appeared there and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► then that seems like there would be a [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► point to that but are you too may be the [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► only way of consequence [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► well I feel like what it have to be a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► point because they haven't really [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► decided to only have decided that these [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► guys are not like all-powerful [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► all-knowing because they do argue with [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► each other and there are like black [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► sheep among the observers doing things [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► I'm not supposed to be doing and getting [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► yelled at by the other observers and [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► having to fix their mistakes and arguing [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► about what the best course but they're [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► all working towards some sort of goal [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► which is for things to turn out the way [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the observers think they should internet [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► they're all snappy dressers [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► yes they're all exactly the same the you [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► know it have we seen the fringe of the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► writers because it all the French [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► writers may be bald and this may be a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► different writers on the chosen know [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► this area on this direction that we're [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► doing running over the writers for the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► Reds got it got dark dark tower at the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► end there again with the family with the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► observer thing being the Marvel Comics [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► watcher is that member in the Marvel [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► Comics the one who is assigned to the [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► earth is breaks the rules and is looked [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► down upon by his his a appears and the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► guy who's Walters palette we see the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► main observer does the exact same thing [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► so right he saves them from crashing is [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► waiting for a big eraser to come and you [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► know started racing characters Daffy [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► Duck style you know [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► well if they could take that Animated [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► episode do a sequel to that meant that [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► letter be more it could be erased some [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► point we just have it only ends up with [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► there being one person left this is all [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► inside Walters head in his hands silent [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► boom no known issues but it cuts to pay [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► see in an all-white universe and [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► constitution in all my office all week [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► no he's all myself because nobody else [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► exists in the university's just been [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► parked there and he he begins to act out [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► episode of Dawson's if they would if [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► they were just a nobody from his desk [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► and Austin's creek and this is all a [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► dream as you know yet exactly its new [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► heart is the second Newhart suit yes [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► Katie Holmes next I'm saying that would [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► be hilarious fall asleep again BAC maybe [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► get people really really angry but [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► hilarious you fall asleep again Peter I [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► mean Pacey whatever what do you think [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► they can go with this with this series [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► in terms of like as the show goes on [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► like at least lost their on an island [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► presumably the the resolution will be [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► having something to do with them getting [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► off the island everybody got a bit [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► better like season for the central [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► conflict in the direction you can go and [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► but this show this you know if you say [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► well with the direction is one universe [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► has to win like there's no there's no [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► natural ending to the story even the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► x-files had a more natural ending [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► because it was like what happened to his [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► sister and other aliens yes or no like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► there was some sort of its central [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► question but the show is more about we [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► set up some characters and situations [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► but there's no overall goal [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► no I think every season they give it [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► like a mini goal but there's no like big [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► big our goal right it seems like the big [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► our goal is that that but at least now [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► is both universes survive instead of one [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► universe fights for survival [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► it's both universes survive and I could [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► see the end of the show playing out as [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► being essentially you know they split [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► the universe's apart and solve whatever [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► everything's all patched up yeah either [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that or there's a sort of a terrible [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► price to pay where they do end up [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► merging them together in order to save [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► them and half of the people have to die [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► in order to make that happen or [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► something which is very happy with [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► always living together [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► i I don't know but you know I i could [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► see that there are some directions there [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► I i wager I would major heavily on the [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► existence of of other parallel personals [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► before the end of the show I i was [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► saying if it goes on if it goes on [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► longer like if you're a writer on the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► show like you don't know how many more [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► seasons you've got so you have but you [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► have to plan for something like you have [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► a plan to get the plan to work towards [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► something I lost for example was castle [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► after the second season like well we [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► were working towards getting off the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► island but we did [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► not enough time so it's clear what [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► you're trying to do but you didn't make [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► it but this is like every season you [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► know if the if the goal really is this [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► kind of tepid you know universal screwed [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► up in episode one of fringe you know [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► it's already screwed up and the goal the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► series is to put band-aids over all the [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► holes and make university without holes [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► in them so that it's like it's like [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► normal like that's the goal is to get [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► back to normalcy [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that's the end of the series but it dies [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► of boredom it's like well we've we've [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► cleared up all the universe whole so [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► we're sure not going to have any more of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► these crazy fringe cases well not and [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► not if they have to do that you know [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► what some sort of horrible price and [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► there's some you know interesting [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► character things that may be but if [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► you're gonna do the horrible price thing [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► you have to know like okay this is gonna [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► be your last season guys so write an [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► entire season with the stuff to resolve [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► the storyline hopefully though though [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► actually give them a heads up in my case [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► it happens from time to time but i mean [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► i see i mean i can picture and ending [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► where they patch these two universes up [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► and then they like pan out there's like [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► a gazillion more university blow a hole [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► in the universe or or maybe going on [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► maybe the observers bosses is it the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► boss is actually like uber Walter from [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► the future of some other parallel [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► universe who's decided that he has to [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► take control of all the all the parallel [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► universes to save them from themselves [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► in the last year I want to shave their [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► heads because of ice at the elements the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► lice the world trying to avoid that all [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► the observers have gone back like man [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► whose life thing that really sucks we [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► gotta try to stop John we're not that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that's not that's not true because they [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► have hats is known as well might have my [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► supper at the end observers will fall [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► into a pit of lava alien birthday [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► stomach [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► alright but i would watch that show [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► that's awesome that's alien 3 [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► come on oh I know I know I hate that [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► movie we don't have any news yet yet we [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► have yet to have more even showed your [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► robots more robots robots on fringe [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► yeah well massive dynamic right i mean [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► they're supposed to be at the robot when [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► they built a robot in terms of mr. [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► dynamic is like what do they do you make [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► money they have a real crazy stuff man [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► every patent for everything they're like [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Microsoft and Google and Apple and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► everybody else all put together and they [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► only get one [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► I'm really nice building in Manhattan [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► yeah they had a lab they have every [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► patent on every technology ever because [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► they invented them all in the seventies [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► yeah you want to you want to build soul [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► magnets tough they've got to have the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► soul magnets oh so it's Halliburton plus [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► aperture science [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► yeah it's essentially it no but if you [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► think back to them not really having is [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► clear plan the first season it was [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► definitely setup is being that that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► massive dynamic was this this big you [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► know enemy and they were the behind [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► these mysterious things and then it [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► turned out o know that it's just the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► guy's a buddy Walters and they invented [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► lots of stuff that wasn't weird like [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► they agree that such a strange decision [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► because they were clearly set up as [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► antagonistic Walter own so that they [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► they needed to keep going to them for [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► other ways he reminds me kind of like a [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► Wolfram and Hart in angel you got the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► evil science people want you to [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► free-to-play this direction though they [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► love to you know set up something it [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► could be a perfectly valid conflict but [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► then resolved over the physical and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► decide haha we fooled you that was [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► actually misdirect really this is [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► another thing which is also interesting [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► and then your offer anything else right [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► which I like the baby stupid mommy's [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► baby like a no baby anytime you have [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► babies and he shows a big deal now they [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► just want to grow real fast we could [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► activate the machine we can see that [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► baby again i'm assuming we are but it's [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► like you know it's not that big of a [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► deal and i love that baby that that's [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the best handling of a fake pregnancy in [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► a TV show ever [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► where she's pregnant yet one episode [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► yeah just usually but they don't have to [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► sir that's how long it takes a baby to [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► be born in the alternate universe for 42 [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► well they have to do some magical like [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► you know now [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► nope nope 42min magical intervention [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► division time people in the alternate [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► universe seemed to have lots of flexible [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► morals not just Walternate but all these [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► helpers or whatever it's like yeah [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► terrible kidnap your i love i have to [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► say that one my favorite i love the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► science guy in the ultimate evil because [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► he's I nobody such a dork in our [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► universe which is it just cracks me up [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► he's like this totally unassuming nerd [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► in our universities like this deeply [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► sinister cited in the other one but he's [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► an unassuming here in the other universe [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► to he's just has he's asked to do more [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► interesting things i think if you took [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► the nerd in our universe and ask them to [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► the same things you like okay [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► well not just do it for the science in [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► whatever I think about that we'll see [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► about these two universes are providing [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► great control experiments for each other [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► not to get into too you know deep into [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the analysis here but something that was [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► brought up earlier as the idea that you [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► could view what happens in that parallel [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► universe as being you know entirely [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► about how we can given a different set [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► of circumstances we could go down on a [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► much darker path right and so the phone [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► olivia is she's different and she's [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► darker and she has no problem with [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► killing people in our universe when she [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► crosses over and we've got this [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► perfectly nice scientist guy who is like [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► a you know it like dr. Mengele and he [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► alternate universe we have alternate we [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► saw how he behaves and and there's a [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► police state and you know I is hard to [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► believe there's nothing commentary and I [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► guess I feel like in some of its it's [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► just that they the circumstances are so [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► much more height and they're like [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► they've been dealing with all these [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► holes in the universe like 20 years now [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and there's just I think they're very [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► much more endeared to that maybe that's [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► just had a a you know rubbed off on [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► there right there what they're willing [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► to do especially because you consider we [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► are seeing these like this is very [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► extreme right this is the whole idea i [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► agree i thought you know you know [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► there's a terrorist bombing somewhere [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and immediately everybody lines up to [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► get rid of their of their rights in [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► exchange for some security or a feeling [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► of security right i mean that we've seen [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that ourselves in our in our own country [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► not to get too political about it but I [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► mean it's clear that that happens then [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► societies are placed under stress and [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► sometimes the way they react as may be [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► made [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► maybe based more out of fear than logic [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► and it's got to be part of what they're [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► saying about this alternate universe i [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► do enjoy that they they make you know [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► despite the fact that was John says they [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► like to misdirect and then we've seen a [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► lot of stuff changed i do enjoy wasn't a [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► recent episode where they referenced [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► like the second or third episode of the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► oh yeah they talked about the bus we [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► have with the with the amber how they [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► get their own pattern [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► yeah well i mean i think that was that [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► was kind of interesting call back to [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► something like hey you thought we forgot [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► about this [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► nope totally got it covered well isn't [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► it i think the family itself isn't my [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► favorite silly [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► elements and on the show because like if [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► you're gonna if you get a repair like [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► holes in space time they decided to go [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► with the is like it's practically a [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► culinary solution that's that's like [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► like an insect product or some sort of [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► google instead of doing like the [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► scientific superwomen the University [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► thank you for being around group right [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► we have brown goop really is what we use [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► the best thing for really it's caulk it [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► it's temporary but it'll you know it'll [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► keep out the ants snake [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah I know that and I guess the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► pattern if we're talking talking about [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the season one of the pattern i guess [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the pattern ended up being a pattern of [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► of things from the people in the [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► parallel universe who were sent over his [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► agents or something like that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► yeah it was a little holes in the [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► universe and weird things happening [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► because of them either intentionally [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► because of other agents or [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► unintentionally because of like soft [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► spots it all connected it is you know it [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► was again it was a thing like this with [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► the whole show is going to be about this [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► pattern no that's leading you to the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► next season which you ever seen this [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► show is very good about building on you [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► know doing something and not getting [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► stuck in a rut not getting stuck in a [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► you know because even some of the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► x-files which shows clearly based on got [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► stuck on the right of a [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► monster-of-the-week are there aliens yes [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► or no and they did that for so many [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► seasons that pretty successfully but [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► still this show has like the pattern and [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► they say no season two we're gonna [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► explain to you what is this pattern what [TS]