The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► would you like me to repeat the question [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 45 [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► jun 2011 [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► I'm your host Jason snow we have been [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► doing some flash podcast where we talk [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► about Doctor Who episodes they've been [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► airing both in the UK and in the u.s. [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► because it's a show that seems worth [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► talking about now we haven't done one [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► for a few weeks there was a two-part [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► episode and then a midseason finale [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► there were some delays in the US [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► compared to the UK anyway so to wrap it [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► all up this first half season of doctor [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► who was it doesn't come back to the fall [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we decided to do a full-fledged [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► incomparable podcast about the first [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► half of series 6 of Doctor Who joining [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► me tonight to discuss doctor who r Scott [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► hello Glenn fleischmann a holy serenity [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► Caldwell [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► by who hello Dan more'n Oh trying to [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► make my TARDIS nice i was a bad targets [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► noise I it's hard I tried I need you [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► need some phlegm [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► I don't have a parking brake to put on [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► and John siracusa good evening isn't [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► good evening [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► so what I'd like to do to start off is [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► to talk before we talk about the this [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► half season as a whole are as a half [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► I don't know strange what they're doing [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I I want to go back and talk about the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► two stories we haven't discussed on the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► incomparable the first of which is this [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► two-part episode with the gangers called [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► the rebel flesh and the almost people [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► which aired right before this mid-season [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► finale called a good man goes to war it [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► would anybody like to to open the [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► proceedings about this very peculiar [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this story set in a monastery but old [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► monastery but in the future and they're [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► pumping acid somewhere around there and [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► just askin what why is the full of acid [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► did I miss something back and rewatch is [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► important it's a monastery and yeah why [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► did they write these episodes [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► maybe the other than the setup that I [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► think that was pretty much it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I think I mean I said they wanted the [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► closed-door mysteries they wanted a very [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► limited set of rooms [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► and monasteries are cool it did look [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► great I thought it looked fantastic i [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► love the idea that it would look old but [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► was supposed to be in the future i think [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that was a very strange welcome and it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► was weird because you couldn't quite [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► tell where it was like in the setting [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► because clearly was in the future our [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► future right but they also make a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► comment about like all it's the only [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► thing out there at some point and so you [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► know you can tell like it's an [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► indefinite future it's also been a very [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► i could find out such a ring of water of [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► mars that I could not stand the first [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► part the second part of different [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► feelings about the first part I'm like [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► this is water of mars with slightly [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► different monsters that are equally as [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► creepy and it's sort of like they're [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► being body-snatched but not quite and [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► you know it just it felt like the first [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► part felt like a ridiculous retread with [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► you know had a very contrived bits and [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► pieces but the second I have a thought [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► retrieved a lot of that dross see and I [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► think my view is actually the opposite [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► of that which is I really liked the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► first episode because you know there are [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► there things in it that are really [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► questionable like why are they pumping [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► acid everything sort of hand wave that [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► is a well there's acid people need acid [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you gotta plug but but um what I liked [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► about it was that the gangers you know [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► doctor who has this history of having [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► these monsters that are that are maybe a [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► little bit broad they want to take over [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► the universe the galaxy what have you [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► and in this episode [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► what what what happens is that they are [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► not there there's a dilemma because [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► they're not monsters really they're just [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► duplicates and the reason they're [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► monstrous is because they're threatening [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► your place in the universe which is a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► very different kind of thing and I [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► really kind of thought that was cool i [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► thought that was a really interesting [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► idea and an interesting dilemma to set [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the characters on now I i do think in [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the second episode it got kind of weird [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► and make created a monster where I think [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► maybe they're didn't need to be one [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► except they felt they need to have a [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► like one of the gangers is super evil [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► when grows up crazy monster head [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► I you know that that didn't that didn't [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► make it for me but the first episode I [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► think set up a lot of those interesting [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► a moral questions and then the the for [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► me the second episode that the best [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► thing about it was that [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► there were two doctors and all of the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► questions that brought up [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► yeah i mean i have to say in terms of [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the first episode should we blow the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► spoiler horn and we assuming that it's [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► all it's all spoilers from here on out [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► it's all spoilers but all the way down [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► but as well as all the way down [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► okay i think the for the thing that [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► really changes for me between the first [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► part the second part is that Jennifer [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► who is you know ganger Jennifer dig [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► Jennifer is what the person that we kind [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► of identify with inserts half [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► yeah we're she's like I can still [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► remember my wellies and like she's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► really struggling with the fact that she [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► has all these memories and she doesn't [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► know what to make of them and she's the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► only one of the gangers who's even [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► remotely receptive to the idea of all [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► these people are nice and I maybe a [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► duplicate but i can still fit in and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► then like she just kind of switches she [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► turns on a switch about go soft she goes [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► off the deep end [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► yeah she goes from well maybe these guys [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► are good too she sees one of the other [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► gangers basically died and she goes from [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► these guys can be good to know [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► all humans are evil we must kill the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► humans and i'm going to morph into a [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► oh it's like something from james and [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► the giant I catchweight it would've made [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► more sense to me if that what they had [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► said is you know the flesh itself is [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► pissed off and it's going to take over [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► her body and just wants to kill [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► everybody but instead it was just yeah [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► she just has a change of character and [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► decides to be a monster and I felt [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► totally undercut the whole idea of these [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► other people which is that they were [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► really just people [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► well you know what i think is the [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► interesting part about the flesh is that [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the Flex is genuinely it's you know it's [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► alive but it's not thinking matter until [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► we put consciousness into them because [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► when you when you come to the later [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► reveal that happens at the end of the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► two-parter you realize oh well there has [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► been you know there's been a flesh body [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► walking around for a while but but but [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► it has no like flesh consciousness you [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► know the flesh the flesh is really just [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► an avatar until this freak accident so [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► it gets struck by lightning because and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► as we know all know for would really [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► like crazy 80s movies like when stuff [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► gets struck by lightning [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► like anything can happen [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► in cabinet but you have to be an old [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► tower though that there's acid lightning [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► and an old tower if i learned anything [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► short circuit it's that lightning [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► strikes bring sentence in a crime you [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► take those tablets they were lying on [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the act of crank them up higher that [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► would have been better to better [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► I you know what bug me i mean i think i [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► agree with Jason that the the idea is [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► really interesting i feel like the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► execution did not do justice to it just [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► in terms of I don't know it's something [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► failed to crystallize for me it's also [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► it was full of horrible plot holes like [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► was football they have I don't even I [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► know that I don't usually notice bottles [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► but even I condominium is a painful the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► device that Jennifer put your hand on it [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► says non-human life-forms recognize them [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► like so they can't get anything done [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► they know there's a problem with the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► flesh then she grabs worry and says [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► stick your hand here that says human [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► life form recognize I'm like he's not an [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► idiot you know like the character [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► sometimes a little goldfish please not [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► Homer Simpson would go on now why did [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► you have me do that you know they're [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► like that's just it was so against type [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► it was just happy not to die but the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► thing that bothered me and this was this [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► was the total random puddle but like a I [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► wasn't first of all I wasn't clear [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► whether or not there were like this very [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► strange but there are two sonic [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► screwdrivers are not because at one [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► point one of the doctors gives his to [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► someone else but then they both have [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► them there I'm and Polly and yeah but at [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► the same time the thing that really [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► bothered me was I thought when he gave [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► his away like oh ok so just have a [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► screwdriver and there's a scene where [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► they'll get locked in a room and god [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► David if we know there's one thing the [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► screwdrivers good for its opening locked [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► door [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► that's why didn't they just you are you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► know that character thing that Jason was [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► complaining about whether the character [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► just changes from you know the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► sympathetic person to want to kill [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it's kind of a specific case of the same [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► general problem with the flesh with with [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► Doctor Who in general is that they don't [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► feel any compelling need to explain [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► stuff in any logical fashion and the and [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► that can be good and charming but at a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► certain point it's just super duper lazy [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► so right now you already made this point [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► about the flesh like you're going to the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► sci-fi thing where it's like you have [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► made us and we are artificial but are we [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► not life you know that type of thing [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► right so the beginning of of the rebel [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► flesh the flesh is basically a machine [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► like they inhabit it and when [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► done happening it's nothing it's just as [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► group right and then magically like [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► because that's the world this flashes in [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► its like we use this is a tool that [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► these people these workers are not [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► having moral dilemmas like in the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► darkest of night about oh aren't we [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► taking advantage of this flash it's a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► tool you know it's inanimate nonliving [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► well I was living and I was like a plant [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► you know it's not it's not consciousness [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► and then midway through this episode [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► they're confronted with the reality like [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► oh hey guess what your entire [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► consciousness is in there and now these [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► are living things and now all of a [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► sudden that you know it's not it's not [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► as if you're dropped into a sci-fi world [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► where there are sentient beings being [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► used as slaves and then you have to deal [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► with the other the dilemma rises [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► instantly for you know the Lightning [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► reason whatever crazy reason want to [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► make up and the same thing with like [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► that the character is changing [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► motivations like we don't really have to [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► explain why this is just what's [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► happening and just go with it you know [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► you missed a really good opportunity to [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► which is that they had the feeling that [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► there was a central Food hindbrain or [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► whatever forebrain whatever rate and & [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the hoot are all individual organisms [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► with their own thoughts but they also [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► share this colonial telepathic link i [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► know that was very clever the whole [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► mechanism and so they had a chance here [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► to say let's do something different will [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► say they're actually is this is a [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► colonial organism is it like every cell [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► retains a memory and so the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► consciousness of people they've been [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► using these tools but it's actually [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► overlaying and suppressing this [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► consciousness the lightning brought out [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► and now that consciousness is coming [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► before it's been individuated I mean [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► there's like a there's there's a lot of [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► clever ethical dilemmas you could raise [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► hear about cloning people and whatever [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► that could be masked in the syfy venir [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► but instead it was like they have no [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► consciousness they have Custer not [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► monsters are just like us [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► wait what's this other they have other [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► memories Oh their memories are part of [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► this colonial thing but no they don't [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► have memories indices dissolved versions [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► of old flesh lying in the corner i'm [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► like i'm gonna throw them in the acid [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► why didn't the federal the old we have [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► acid right there are we supposed to feel [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► bad about those and just kidding this [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► one was actually monster because like [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► you know again the pre consciousness [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► flashes not just amount of group you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► know it you can't really feel bad for [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that for the people [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► those were the old skip though I thought [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► they had I thought she had faked those [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that was my nose my reading a map but [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► perhaps was not clearly you thought she [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► well I don't I thought she had faked [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► those I thought Jennifer take those to [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► play on Rory was that was how I read it [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► does however it i think they were real [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► but I mean yeah [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► well they may establish also that there [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► is some kind of residual memory left in [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► the flesh after that because it's the am [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the captain who is like the last thing I [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► are you know is why you can look into [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► their eyes and you can see as they [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► dissolve why and like so I can kind of [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► by that but I wouldn't they know they [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► created this thing when they know like [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► isn't conscious or not because it's like [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► that the world before the beginning of [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► this episode they didn't create it [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► though I thought they found out I I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► don't like to skipping way to the end of [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the second episode of this thing with [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► the people like we're going to fight for [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► our rights like your rights as of an [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► episode ago because prior to that you [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► were you were a tool and no and no one [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► gave you any thought and then it's not [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► like we can I don't like it you can work [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► out much hatred for these people like [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► look how horrible they are taking [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► advantage of this flesh they didn't even [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► know was conscious until like five [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► minutes ago [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you can't condemn all of humanity and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► they're gross you know use of science to [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► make this horrible creature because [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► seriously it was not conscious and with [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► any product to because at the end the [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► episode the doctor drops in that you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► know gigantic Corp all they have to do [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► is go and say hey it's conscious and [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► then everyone's fine like like they [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► leaving her the front door to go in the [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► other worker just go in there and [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► telemental make everything right I'm [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► like wait a minute I've seen Doctor Who [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► corporations don't always act you know [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's like the corporation they ever know [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► but you took mine acid mining [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► corporation that's what I get your asses [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► well I mean you don't know that they [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► won't because it as far as they were [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► concerned like a forklift coming in and [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► say we're not actually forklifts when we [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► break don't scrap us because we're alive [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► and they're going [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► wait you're alive aren't you a forklift [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► oh yeah five minutes ago we were there [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► was lightning and now actually were like [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► people so many like her and I i guess so [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► will be nice to now you seem like nice [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► you look exactly like I'm corporations [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► to change policy i see your SEO [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► distribution political version Bob the [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► Builder ahead behind i think actually [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that is Bob the Builder write the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► sentence later [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► oh my god it's totally the people so I i [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► do think I I think you guys are right in [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► saying that one of the reasons for this [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► episode to be there is that they wanted [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► to have this duplicate storyline because [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► at the end of the second episode we [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► discovered that Amy is a forklift right [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► one at one of the reasons i would go [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► with the video immediately [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► Jason major maybe just the major and [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► have to doctor and have two doctors [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► running around and plus the middle of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the acid and that they had extra acid [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► excess acid know the to dr. stuff i [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► thought was really interesting in that [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the doctor switch shoes I I thought that [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► was going to be when he loses his shoes [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► I thought well they're gonna use that as [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► a way to decide we're doctors the real [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► one in it [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► nice pivot to have them switch the shoes [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► because the doctor is clever that way to [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► see how people react I thought that was [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► good and I thought the fundamental [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► question of it goes a little bit off the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► deep end in terms of like proving you [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► know right differentiate himself slammed [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► her against all [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► yeah that was a little odd yeah but you [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► know I thought I thought the exploring [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► those concepts part of it was good but [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that that at the same time they had to [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► wrap up the plot and they had to [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you've got the feeling they were ticking [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the boxes of what we have to have a [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► monster so we'll have Jennifer turn into [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► a monster and we have to have this [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► various jeopardy so we're going to do [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► these things and that you know maybe it [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► wouldn't have been as exciting episode [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► for them to just deal with issues of [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► identity right you gotta have some acid [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► in there too but in the end all the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► wrap-up was unsatisfying and it felt [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► like they are really at that point just [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that with a dispute some ideas out there [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► that we're kind of interesting I thought [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the tone of the first episode because [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► it's kind of dark and weird castle and [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► bubbly acid and stuff I i really enjoyed [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the the look in the end the feel of it [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► but in the end they're like okay we just [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► need to wrap the plot so that we can get [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► to that seen in the TARDIS where Amy [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► disappears [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► speaking of that scene like they just [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► spent two episodes on this whole [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► heartwarming story of like it's a new [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► consciousness that is respected like all [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► the life and we find out amy is flesh [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► and what is the doctor do our mountain [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► that grabs right about that instead [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► don't forget about the hello but there [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► are people too she's wired in like at [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► the beginning but you're right he wasn't [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► conscious though technically what is a [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► white man's conscience or not like she's [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► remote controlling it but if she wasn't [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► she wasn't struck by lightning know what [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► is it was totally like it doesn't make [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► sense within like is the flash alive or [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► is it just something that you control [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► and if you think it's just thinking you [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► control sure the doctor can nuke it in [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► turn into group but if it's if she had [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► disconnected from it then wouldn't that [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► flesh be like the duplicate of Amy that [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► would be alive and we're supposed to [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► respect like it was right after the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► scene where they're fighting for their [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► rights you know [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► yeah i mean i think the difference is [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the difference between flush controlled [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► and then flush that is basically been [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► made into its own it's like a robot that [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► yeah bad job bad job establishing the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► rules and First Circuit number five is [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► alive and Johnny Five and all the other [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► robots [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► yes Johnny 5 is important that any [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► faster by lightning [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► yeah Johnny five is alive didn't do a [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► good job of establishing this is what [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► about the big vat of group so the minor [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► the corporation can still use the flash [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► for their mining operations because it's [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► not conscious but only those three or [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► four people including the one who [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► replaces the kid's dad because you know [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► they become human 235 to the other side [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► first time machine radiation causes you [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► to become solid forever unless unless [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► you're Annalise you're a me also the the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► the company will have to install some [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► lightning rods though at all and all [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► their factory don't have to install [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► lightning rods that's what they have to [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► move them out of the monasteries is [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► amazing to that the the the flesh [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► transmission technology can travel [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► through time and even to the the little [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► pocket universe that's outside of our [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► universe they're still able to remote [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► control Amy from there is some good [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► stuff amazing powerful there's a subtle [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► part i want to know everyone [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► red notices that when the flesh the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► flesh doctor is sacrificing yourself and [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► the real sicko supposedly real doctor is [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► going back on the TARDIS he says you [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► know your molecules molecules what's the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► phrase about your molecules might retain [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► the memory blah blah blah and I'm like [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► oh they're setting us up so the flesh [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► dr. reassembles himself later yeah of [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► course yeah for something to leave it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► open well we need to know Rory's dies [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► the doctors duplicates yes we just need [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► another episode with more than 1 i'm [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► really sad that they didn't make a [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► duplicate Rory and kill him in this [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► yeah me too you're gonna kill him in [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► every episode you know what killed him [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► in every episode is negative thing just [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► go whole hog [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► alright i will say for the finale Rory [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► gets a spine a little bit of one which [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► is nice to see [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► ok so let's let's take that transition [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► yes I thought forward the cold open of [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that last episode was maybe my favorite [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► scene [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► it in the like entire I i think this [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► episode was my favorite episode in matt [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► smith's almost entire run pretty much [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► cheaper it's just a tied-up a lot of [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► stuff it had great action it had great [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► pacing the doctor you know like the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► doctor has its ups and downs you know [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► stuffs revealed etcetera is a just it [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► felt very good felt fun [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► it didn't feel like some of the other [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► episodes were watching it felt like a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► little bit of a chore it felt like a [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► little bit david tennant he didn't think [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► it did every happy with those were David [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► finds out that the worldview of him is [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► not what he likes and he's angry about [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it or surprise but that's that's the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► doctor right like in general but I can [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► have him doing that Smith had been more [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► of the I'm kind of wacky and trying to [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► figure out what it means to be human and [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► I'm uncomfortable with other people and [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► i'm in a comfortable social situation [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► like that's been matt smith vibe and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► this switch to the more classic Doctor [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► vibe of like doctors reputation and what [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► it's like to be the last one and how his [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► powers can be used for good and evil you [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► know they already kind of set that up i [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► mean i felt like the Pigpen torque [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► episode set up the same thing right [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► which was everybody else building this [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► prison to to keep him in it because he [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► was the dangerous one yeah but he didn't [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► he didn't agree at that point did it [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► didn't affect him at that point he was [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► like no no you're crazy i'm not a [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► dangerous guy was in this one he starts [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► to see a little bit yeah well he [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► destroys like a whole bunch of Cybermen [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► like right off the top right that was a [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► little out of character for me honestly [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► yeah it was awesome note it was very [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► awesome but it was very cool but it made [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► me think well if he can destroy an [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► entire fleet of cyber bed which the [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► people who he's going to destroy are [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► afraid of [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► why does he need to pick up for other [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► people to help him because it's a ragtag [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► band of misfits this mechanism is the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► developments you're quite picks up a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► nurse it does i thought was also this [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► thing like you know he's just killed [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► legions upon the SRT 12 regenerate [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► all-star religion is just destroyed [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► pretty much all of it the rumor gets [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► around and he's approaching stuffily he [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► doesn't know where they're at and then [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► he gets there and they don't shed a drop [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► of blood that's what the the dinosaur [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► lady says and cash evidence and and the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► whole point of him having a success [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► there's they didn't actually kill [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► anybody [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► other people kill other people but they [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► didn't kill anybody to take over [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► uh Devils run but even run several those [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► cyber humans right I'm sorry but but [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► particularly the Cybermen I guess [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► they're not quite as mobilize when the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► saturday work the Cyberman words struck [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► by lightning or not actually a life but [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► I mean there's about cyber man killing [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► them is a blessing for them that elite [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► one tier when it comes to the doctor [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► though I mean I think there is a very [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► big shift between the mat smith of [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► earlier episodes which is matt smith [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► basically realizes that one of his [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► companions one of his you no pets has [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► basically been taken away from him and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► God you know god help everybody in their [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► path when the doctor goes on the warpath [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► because someone has basically messed [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► with his humans [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► well i think the the theme that Steven [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► Moffat has been building up to for his [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► whole run and certainly this year is [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► encapsulated in those moments where he [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► discovers first off there's a funny line [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► where he talks about how the word dr. [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► our word doctor is from him at meaning [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► what it means which is something Steven [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► Moffat there's a there's a link that the [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► animation great link to him posting on [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► records Doctor Who in 1995 with that [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► concept and he finally recycled into an [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► actual doctor who episode but the the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► fact that the people of the gamma forest [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► the word dr. means warrior that that's [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► what Steven Moffat i think has been [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► leading up to and and his whole thrust [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► with this is almost taking the russell [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► davis approach to to the doctor as this [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► warrior and the oncoming storm and the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► person that everybody and across the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► universe fears and confronting it and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► saying is this what the doctor would [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► want to be does he want to be known as a [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► great warrior because the answer is no [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► but that's sort of what he's become so I [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► think in one way this is all about kind [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► of questioning the final proof [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► fundamental premise of what the show's [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► become because I suspect where he's [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► trying to take this is a place where the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► doctor isn't isn't like that anymore and [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► he's more vulnerable and he's back to [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► being more of a a wanderer rather than [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► this guy who can summon armies with the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► snap of his fingers you should go back [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► to being a longer after all his [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► companions died tragically [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► beyond that you already have a life [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► tragically speaking of the oncoming [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► storm thing that Jason mentioned where [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► you know that did the the doctor is a [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► big force and the you know you talk [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► about taking one of my pet / loved ones [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► things that run mentioned well I recall [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► an earlier podcast about Doctor Who [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► about this very seasoned someone assured [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► me that the early episode with doctor [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► who with with the doctor and Rory was [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► trying to settle once and for all that [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► Rory and Amy are together in the doctor [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► is not a threat and yet here we are in [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► the very last episode before break and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► what do they do say merci entire scene [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► with it with a long drawn-out attempted [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► miss direction which is so feeble [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► because at this point you always know [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► anytime they're going in that direction [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► it's a fake out of saying oh you know [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the person I'm is coming for me is very [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► old but he looks young and you can't [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► stop a man blonde it totally sounds like [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► the doctor but it's not stupid Rory [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► again now but he's a badass in this [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► episode and that's great he finally gets [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► a chance to me saying i was i was made [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► promises and look what happened [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► I liked that setup you know what I I [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► will speaking i do too because we knew [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► it was a faint when they do it now we [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► know they're being ridiculous oh that's [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the excuse now you said there were not [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► do this anymore they're putting issue to [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► bed they wouldn't keep bringing it up [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► because it was so great laughs I don't [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► think about that gets in terms of him [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► being arrival for her affections at all [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► because we see the fact that she is like [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► there is no question of it it's just the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► fact that she's a funk it's gonna be [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► aware of my child and that's supposed to [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► be a mr. ax100 was I don't think it was [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► actually think it's I think I playing [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► with the notion they've done so much of [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► this we know he's not a rival for the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► affections we know something's going on [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► and were like why is she saying these [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► things because this can't be right and [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► set this crazy look for me there is this [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► cognitive dissonance intention which has [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► been relieved when you're like all of [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► course I should have seen that because [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► if we actually listen to what she was [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► saying we know she didn't the doctor [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► when they brought the father of my child [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► thing I think it was going back to the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► whole notion that you know all that the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► doctor must be the father I knew it all [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► along because they stay a series of [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► things that you can dismiss but then [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they say the father of my child like how [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► can I be the doctor we must be the dot [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► i'm going to disagree with you because I [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► think you're supposed to know that we're [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► also see loyal fans and get the [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► thanksgiving but but i will tell you i [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► don't think there's any doctor episode [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► in which I liked [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► the lot the line i have a statement and [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► a question and it was just like out that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► was badass do i need and heat the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► question haha yeah we'll just look I [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► said that like you know like i cannot i [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► said in an earlier pi guess what is that [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► i really i really like Rory and I really [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► wanted him to get a chance to develop [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► and have him stop dying in 35 minutes [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and I feel like they finally gave him an [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► opportunity they gave me something to do [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and he gets to be like the Centurion and [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► gets to kick some ass and you know take [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► some names and i think and still gets to [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► be like there's something very secure [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► about him anymore in this episode than [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► any of the prior ones and I do think [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it's because they dismiss that question [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► of the idea of the love triangle like [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► you see them as a family and you see [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► that the doctor has affection for all of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► them as a family unit and that he's [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► losing ourselves a doctor to stop [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► hugging her [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► I'm telling you like maybe you guys [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► don't want to see it but it's there [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► actually a bit like there's jealousy [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► there and and let's let's not forget [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that at the end of this episode he [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► discovers that not only is he have is a [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► jealous of the doctor because Amy's [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► interested in the doctor but he's also [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► now his daughter and the doctor have a [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► relationship i want to see how that [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► plays out so there's a queue go pick [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► inducing very funny and we read it with [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► John to a point but i think they are [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► playing with it now because the funny [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► thing about that scene where he hugs her [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► is that the doctor asked for permission [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► and then and then races that's enough [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► and the doctors like very well like [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► they've got some rules about it and [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► Rory's in charge and Rory gets to say [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► I'm no longer comfortable and and they [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► kind of its kind of playful and I like [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► that because if it had just been the way [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► it was that would be tiresome but I feel [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► like they're they're actually you get [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► the sense that they've they figured it [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► all out and now it's more of a joke it [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► was always Rory's insecurity wasn't like [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► the doctor they never made it seem like [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► dr. had any feelings for her really not [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► keep the doctor never expressed that was [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► just kind of deciding was always Rory's [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► insecurity with the situation and the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► fact that is insecurity still seems to [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► exist even at this point even after the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► episode where he was a badass [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► it's aight i just think i would like to [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► leave that backhand badasses can have [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► insecurities I think that yeah that's [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► what I feel like it's one line balanced [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► against all of his badassery he's not [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► the doctor right as badass as he is he's [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► never going to be the doctor and I think [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that's always there but at the same time [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► you know we moved on enough that we have [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► we can have fun with it and we can have [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► funny lines like when they ask about it [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► when the baby was conceived and the [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► doctor has to say it's human [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► it's basically it's gross human stuff I [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► don't want to think about it that you [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► know i'm at are not human [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► I don't want to know what they're doing [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► in there I what I don't ask they don't [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► put up a balloon is anything i don't ask [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► i want to get past relationship stuff [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and say like you know this [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► we've had a long talk about some [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► characters because we've had so much was [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► blown open one of the great things about [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► this episode that we should talk about [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► is all of these rich characters that get [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► thrown into the plot who have never seen [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► before and yet appear to have been [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► poured right out of some parallel [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► universe where they're all in their own [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► TV shows [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► well i mean i think one that's one of [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the great devices in this episode is [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► that idea that that the doctor has all [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► these like these debts basically like [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► because you see him always get involved [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► in these situations to the point where [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► you know like help somebody out and they [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► decide they're going to change or [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► whatever and you then you know we walk [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► away from those guys a lot of times but [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► i love the idea of course he's been [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► around 900 years right he's got a lot of [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► favors he can call in and I appreciated [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► that it's they're not all characters [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that we've seen in the last two seasons [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► to where it's like if it would be very [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► easy to just let you know call back to [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► all of the hijinks and adventures that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► we've had since Steven Moffat took over [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► the show but instead they go without the [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► end of time [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► yeah push the but now I appreciate that [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► there's they build a wider world and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► these characters who we really don't see [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► all that much of get very quickly [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► fleshed out and detailed and you know [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► exactly like the the slurry and her maid [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► like you know exactly what's going on [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► let's let's let's say it right lesbian [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► silurian victorian lesbian slurry and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► Victorian is that we decided yes that's [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► what Jason just said apparently they've [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► been clamouring three a spin-off series [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and they solve crimes and the way they [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► did at the vision that the the [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► expansiveness the show can have where [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► they cut from outer space in the future [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► to Victorian London and a horse-drawn [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► carriage in the fog and a hooded figure [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► gets out [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► and what we discover she's a Silurian [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► she just ate Jack the Ripper I mean and [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► the TARDIS is here to pick her up and [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► and off you go and it's just such a [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► great and then throughout the episode [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► the interplay that those two characters [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► have any interaction with the other [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► characters like just you know rate along [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► with some nice little naughty references [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► like what you know that involving her [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► tom [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► I want a letter is called commander [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► strikes RN like that's like the only [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► would answer that use of the Sun Terrans [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► ever liked the fact that the guy they [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► get to play him as the guy who plays [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► pretty much every sun tired in the last [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► two have two have two guys ladies [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► interest they all look very similar down [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► that they're clones right so yeah right [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► right at the blue guy was pretty good [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► too i love that he's a nurse because [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► that the great I i love the dynamic with [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► him when you first get we introduce your [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► money goes into that tent like he's [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► trying to help the kid or whatever and [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► you know it's strange sort of bedside [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► manner but it somehow reassuring a [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► surround sound home in the morning don't [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► do too much exertion right now and then [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► perhaps when you really want / I will [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► kill you on the field of battle [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► he's very dedicated to his punishment [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► because at the end you know he's like I [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► was only a nurse and use dr. Rorie of [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► course was very nervous LOL i need eyes [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► and he says I i I've long look forward [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► to dying on the battlefield it's not as [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► good as I thought it would be [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► he was also rated nurse that baby to [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► dispense the blue guy we all love dorium [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► aldo are already appeared in an earlier [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► episode right he did he's a city green [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► street is a city greens yes and and [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► river bought a bottle outside the time [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► more than the vortex manipulator that's [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► fresh off the wrist of a time when I'm [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► com agents timing i made i said cap the [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► rest [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► yea though they were they were that he [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► says that he's a funny character who [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► sadly appears to have been beheaded by [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the headless like I'm old I'm fat I'm [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► blue and I'm Michael to those things [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► described the targets are they being [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► funny huh something I have to wide blue [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► things that great pick something [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► borrowed something blue [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► another might have been a call back I [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► should throw out Lauren bucket to who is [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► not one of the people that he picks up [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► and yet is a character who is definitely [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► got that history with a doctor she sees [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► him as a child and basically is pursuing [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► him so that she can you know see him [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► again which she doesn't then promptly [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► dies [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► well how did how did the clerics go from [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► being good guys too bad guys from last [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► season and this season I don't know if [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► there ever were good guys I'm not sure [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► if they were they do remember they took [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► her out and they were sort of river was [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► sort of their prisoner but also keep in [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► mind what we may be seeing them in the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► wrong order just like we're seeing river [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► in the wrong that's in the line he said [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► he said he said we're here to we're here [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► to something and not putting that don't [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► praise and we're here to capture was a [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► line or fight him or something [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► they said praising cost a lot more like [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► other mercenaries and we don't know what [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Madame Kovarian also known as the baby i [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► patch the app that is what she wants and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► who she's working for if she is working [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► for somebody that's a complete mystery [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► she's just sort of there to get the idea [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that you're there isn't then we get the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► idea that you know it's basically all of [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► his enemies and they went to three other [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► time lord [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► yeah I guess as a weapon she was just [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► like big military industrial complex [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► woman if I had my own Time Lord as a [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► weapon think of what I could do right [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► now I got the impression that it was [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► actually like sort of a like everybody [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► who the doctor and pissed off was like [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► we're scared of him so we need something [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► to band together and combating with [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► wouldn't it be great if we had our own [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► Time Lord we could lock them up in a box [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► so instead we're going to build our own [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► I do applaud them for not bringing out [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► with alex at all DIY time lord she's [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► she's an agent of the acid corporation [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► haha oh I feel certain way to study a [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► period see period I period d period we [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► don't know what is there are expected [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► sir [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► yeah artist he destroyed their profit [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► margins when he took away the flesh [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► right stock tanked they want to have [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► leftover flesh and they use that for me [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► and the baby now how how about a [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► chilling scene in a in a bombing family [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► TV show where the baby melts you have [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► that was pretty freaky and although [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► beautifully i really liked that we [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► suddenly are seeing the world from the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► babies perspective as the as the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► eyepatch lady appears over Amy shoulder [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► and you can actually see the baby [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► looking at the eyepatch lady I thought [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► that was really well done that that that [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► they did that just as we've seen it with [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► Amy before the baby melts into a pile of [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► goop [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► I think I wasn't paying I was so engaged [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► i did not think about it and didn't [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► really see it coming and there was [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► definitely a jaw-dropping moment where I [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► was like oh that's not yet just because [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► the eyepatch lady says wakey wakey [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► basically to the baby and then the baby [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► turns into go [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► so there are obviously unplug the baby [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► it's great strategy when you accomplish [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► a remarkable military victory like the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► Battle of Agincourt without spilling of [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► your own blood and so forth and then [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► you're like okay off you go then we [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► don't need here for your interview [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► interview to find out what's going on [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► you just go off on your way with [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► whatever you happen to have with you and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► we'll just stay here with the base to [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► the base and examine thanks i don't know [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► what let's get out right away I don't [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► know who you are but Colonel run away go [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► away i love that you reminded me of the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► the princess bride but that's a little [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► bit at the apt that that's also the [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► doctor losing it for like oh yeah most I [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► think we've ever seen him completely [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► lose it at that moment that he's he's [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► hit way says who [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► this is anger if that he's we get me not [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► just a predictive too right yeah you [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► know and that's I think that's the point [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► right that's the side of him that [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► everybody else is seeing ya that they [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► need to be afraid of because it you [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► could imagine him very easily losing his [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► grip right you know if for example [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► something happened to Amy and Rory and [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► he was left on his own like you wouldn't [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► have a tempering influence and we just [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► kind of a force so so so River Song [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► uh but I I'll first point out that in [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► our first flash podcast Glenn set my [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► thinking is river song is amy pond's [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► child and that somehow she got crossed [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► in the timestream there so that she has [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► Time Lord regeneration powers message [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► was a silence which top that she's I'm [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► head right that's what I meant [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► when he says she sort of likes or [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► absorbed that fetuses absorb the energy [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the time vortex right artists Bravo [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Glenn fleischmann well spotted [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► but you know what i thought was really [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► interesting is as we're about to get [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► these revelations there's that moment [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► where she says you know the baby was [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► made as a weapon against to kill the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► doctor or against the doctor and I'm [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► sitting there thinking well you know you [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► were in storm cage for having killed [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► somebody and we saw the doctor get [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► killed by a being a masked figure in the [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► first episode and I'm a spacesuit it was [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► a small yeah who is all trying hard time [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► lower and I think about and you put [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► those together and it's like well you [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► know just because we know river and we [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► like her and we've seen the who the baby [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► is and all of that doesn't mean they [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► don't succeed right in fact maybe they [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► do succeed she does she says in the [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► earlier season right I killed the best [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► man I know right I know this whole thing [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► was telegraph from the start and I'm [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► kind of disappointed that it connected [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► in such a straightforward way because i [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► was really mind and into season although [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► it's too confusing you don't like if [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► it's too straightforward not too [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► confusing a simple logical like like [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► like you said when she says I killed the [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► best man ever know we all know like the [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► the suggestion the text there is she's [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► hinting that she killed the doctor right [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► and then we see you're all kill kill you [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► know him to begin the season like wow [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that must've been river and then we see [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► a baby and then the baby is a girl and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► his name melody I mean it's just it's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► just dot you know not that I'm it's not [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► bad that it was a straight line but it [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► was definitely a straight line [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► I don't think it's a straight line i [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► think i think this is actually his game [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► is that we've seen what we think is the [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► straight line but that the resolution of [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that whole what happened on the beach [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► thing is going to be a twist of some [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► kind of you think it's still turn around [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► i guess but the fact that the baby was [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► river was was pretty well telegraphing [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that turned out to be the case we'll see [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► if at the end they do the misdirection [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► like oh that wasn't really river you [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► know I enjoy I enjoy the fact that that [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► because by you know this year's pride [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► part-time Lord explains how she kept [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► walking out of prison basically it's [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► because what I mean like imagine if you [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► lock the doctor upright like it wouldn't [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► really take you would keep finding a way [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► out and so it's explained like well who [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► is she why is she so good it like just [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► breaking out of prison and you know so [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► cavalier about it one of my pet theories [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► is that she's in prison for killing the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► doctor now [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► because she actually killed him but [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► because he's lying low and she's [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► basically he's she's complicit in him [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► faking his death right and if that's the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► case you know she's serving time and yet [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► she's also just sort of serving time [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► when it when she feels like if it's [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► which is that mean she's there she's [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► there voluntary outright and that says [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► something about her as well [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► yeah she could have just been breaking [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► out never gone back right whatever it [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► does she really regrets it she said to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► regret--getting that she feels bad for [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► whatever it is so even if it didn't like [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it turned out to be okay in the end I [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► don't think she knows that yet I think [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► she really did something bad and she [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► regrets it [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► we were seeing her timeline whether we [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► feel she needs to be punished her she [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► feels she needs to be seen as being [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► punished she does she can get out of [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► prison and she doesn't and I think those [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► are all [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► yeah I think John's right you know [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► there's a there's a plan and and and [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► he's gonna fill in all the boxes and [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► they may be boxes that we figure out how [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► already how he's gonna fill them in but [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► in the end will know why that is the way [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the way she is alright but here's my [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► complaint about it though is like the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► river song think I'm like I'm actually I [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► haven't looked on the web yet because i [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► know this exists we talked about in [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► previous podcast but I am totally sick [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► of this I'm his future [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► he's my past it's like no you're not [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you're good you know the river song [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► knows both too many things from the [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► future and the past she has a book that [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► apparently has everything in it even [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► though she's only looking at a point no [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► I don't think it has everything in it i [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► think that what does it time she flips [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► way through it because she doesn't know [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► where she is in her own era there yet [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► they're out of sync with each other but [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► she is not his future yet so ridiculous [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► so I i agree with you i think i think [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► there's a simplification going on which [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► is that every time she sees him it's [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► later which is definitely not true [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► because the first time we meet him meet [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► her she says how he picked her up and [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► gave her the super snazzy Scott sonic [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► screwdriver and knew that it was her [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► last night so obviously i don't meet [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► entirely in sync backward for me also [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► obviously when she's a child he has to [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► meet her when she's a child in some [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► sequential set of order in order to make [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► sense in her temporal no causal Nexus [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► thank you i think there's a [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► simplification happening here [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► as for her and the book III just don't [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► think that's right i think that when we [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► meet her the last time she can flip [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► through the whole book because it she's [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► about to die and at the end of the story [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► but well I guess what [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► she keeps she's always when they sit [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► down in the in the diner like we have [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► you met the was Eddie the fish yet or [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► whatever and he goes and you know [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► they're checking knows that he has a [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► book where did he get his mouth that's [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► why don't I I don't think it's intended [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► to be that way I think you're getting [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► too hard too hung up on that mean yeah [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► it's all it is complex but I think I [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► mean the general idea holds is that [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► there's they're out of sync and that [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► she's seen things that that he hasn't [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► seen I just said we don't live our lives [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► in order [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► we're never sure when we're gonna see [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► each other next and so we use the book [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► but I think attended in tendencies I [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► think she does tend to see stuff you [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► know like she's experienced stuff that [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► he has not yet right there's a general [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► tendency that they meet they made [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► opposite but there are things that [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► happen out of order which is why she's [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► so confused when she's david tennant was [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► like alright we know which one of you [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► and and so I you know I think it's it's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► I think honestly to simplify it for the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► viewers they've said basically generally [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► they meet back-to-front but that's not [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► entirely don't think about that one so [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► much knowledge special knowledge Lena [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► yeah they well yes that's that's [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► something that only happens in the [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► target so so also one of the things [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► interesting about about this whole time [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► head thing where she was conceived in [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► the TARDIS and so somehow she's got a [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► human DNA but she's been exposed to the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that the time vortex what I think it [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► from a totally kind of continuity geek [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► standpoint what I think is interesting [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► is this means that they can have alex [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► kingston be river song for a while and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► then they can have a completely other [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► actress play river song at some [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► presumably if she is really the girl who [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► is regenerating some other actors play [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► her at an earlier point and and and [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► actually play that story back as far [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► back as they want to go rather than what [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► I thought was the case which is they [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► would have to resolve it quickly because [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► alex kingston ages a year for every year [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► but now they want to get have they could [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► have an actress play river song at [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► seventeen leaving Amy and Rory's house [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and going into the TARDIS for adventures [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► and they could just do that and say well [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► she regenerates later so I you know I [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► guess I guess that's where they're going [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► related issue is that i was rewatching [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► the the silence of the library the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► second part of the second part of the [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► two and what's that [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► of course that yet and i was watching [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► the I want to go back and see what she [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► said specifically where we know it [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► review the thing where the [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► where david tennant doctor says you know [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► my name I would never tell my name is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► anybody and she's like I'm sorry I'm so [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► sorry [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► and then she does the selfless thing [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► with the doctor always does having [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► locked him up with handcuffs because she [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► always carries handcuffs and I realized [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► is watching it [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► she's her consciousness is put into the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► computer but there's no necessity that's [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► a one-way strip either so at some level [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► there's a potential that you can go back [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► to the library and download [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► consciousness to do something there as [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► well guess what yeah we'll meet up and [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► we'll meet up with the flesh doctor I'm [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► exactly although you go and Moffat says [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► that his intense that is the day she [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► dies and she just get started on in the [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► afterlife of the of the computer there [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► is a nice scene in in there where she's [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► where she's tied herself in and he's [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► handcuffed where where she basically [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► says this we kill even you you wouldn't [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► regenerate and that takes on a little [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► extra meaning now because you can read [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► this that means she won't either [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► I like that episode also contains creepy [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► people walking around in space [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► yeah it's all the office because we [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► people in spacesuits and Steven Moffat [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► show that we could see if we're lucky [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► that was foreshadowing that he thought [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► about it that far ahead time but [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► probably travel yeah probably just [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► stealing from himself [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► ok he does that he's a John Cougar [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► Mellencamp of doctor who episodes wow [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► haha i'm a good-faith breaks the the bit [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► where he says as soon as he realizes the [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► baby's gone [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► he says to the silurian Madame vastra he [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► says to support what you're gonna do and [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► he said it's too late you know it [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► already happened and I'm thinking how do [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► you know it's already happened he'd [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► already put some piece the puzzle [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► together because you remember seeing [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► he's thinking about seeing her with the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► silence and all that so he knows there's [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► a sequence of time from there until the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► silence get her without you know she's [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► eight years old that that is the I think [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► he figured it all out at that point he [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► realizes the girl was you know in it was [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► with the silence was her and he knows [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► that if he's going to save her [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► it's not going to be when she's a baby [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► it's going to be later because they had [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► her earlier I think that he sort of [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► figured that out that we will see him at [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► a later point which I think it's kind of [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► cool that you know that that's a [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► a little bit of a credit to the to the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► viewer that the doctors like yeah I get [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I'm gonna go off and we're supposed to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► sort of be like oh yeah well I get it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that was her and well let's remember [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► that flesh Amy told the doctor the real [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► doctor that he was gonna die and at the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► end of the two parties thinking that she [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► was talking about imagine that he and [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that he invited him so he knows when and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► exactly where it happened yes [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► so that's through the flesh doctor dies [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► of course that's the flesh doctor who [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► gets killed at the end of the maybe when [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► you're in a white group then and not [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► been burned [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► no because she's been hardest so you [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► just always been the time i just select [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► this molecule don't know there's a plot [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► point i don't know but i wouldn't /a me [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► a fixture molecules i'm calling it [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► yes oh you know you know I'm kind of [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► cringing speaking of actually trying to [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► twist this at the end up making so [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► straightforward i'm cringing thinking of [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► what possible way they could try to [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► explain the seven-year-old your [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► ten-year-old girl who regenerates like [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► no seriously that's not river there's [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► another ten year older or regenerate [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► sounds like a Time Lord and i don't [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► think that i think it would be bad I [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► don't know yet I don't know really where [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the only speculation I've read about [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► that would be if it was if if rivers Amy [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► and Rory's child and that girl is the [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► doctor and rivers child but I dr. [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► android want to go to that would be the [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► other alternative is awkward but yeah [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► and then that that's the mother of Susan [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the doctors granddaughter right there [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► you go now oh my God we're gonna come [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► full circle 50th anniversary all that [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► would that would hurt my head so much [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the forest episode where there's a [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► another forest right it's always the at [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► the forest here where he says you know [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► my name is the only person that you know [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► my name and of course a big baby carrier [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the baby cot the crib superclasses name [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► on it yeah [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► yes there's a couple different things [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► that really are two different bits of [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► gal friend that they look at what must [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► be the front one must be in the back and [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► presumably that might have his name on [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► it if she reads Gallifrey in which we [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► know she does that that maybe the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► explanation for why she notices name [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► which we're told he does not have [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► however [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► right interesting right so what did what [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► did people think about the the reveal [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► was it you know [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► did you think it was well liked it it [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► was good at it you know obviously it all [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► adds up right before it so you get to [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► feel smart because we figured it out [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► before ya before they say it on screen [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► only water I like feeling smart [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► well I mean that and like the hole i [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► figured out the melt you know as soon as [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► they said the name is melody pond we [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► were leading up to i'm like 'oh switch [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► them and then yes and I like to compare [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► it to the reveal at the end of the last [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► season with the with the wedding thing [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► and something borrowed something blue [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► and I felt like I i like it when I'm [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► just ahead of the reveal but in this [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► reveal I think everybody was way way [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► ahead but I was like yeah we now get on [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► with the river song right but there's [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► something borrowed something blue you or [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► maybe like man 60 seconds ahead of it [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► and it feels more exciting you know what [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► I mean even though that reveals cheesier [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► than this one this one makes a lot more [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► sense because it makes more sense and is [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► less arbitrary it's a just a little bit [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► less satisfying eunomia yeah but it's [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► still nice to have all the ends tied up [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► well someone some of the ends tied up [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► and it was it was nice enough the way [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► you know it i thought it was nicely done [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► where they resolve the TARDIS is gone [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► and yet somehow they're suddenly able to [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► translate the language of the game [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► before us whatever I it was if it was [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► always into the TARDIS aren't they once [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► they've been in July yeah lot of [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► research for that TARDIS boy is there [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► anything you can't do so don't start [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► entire universe unlock can be a person [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► it's amazing and be a person but it was [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► nice that the the way it was done where [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► it's the language of the gamma forest [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► and it's the two sides so that it's out [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► of sequence and and they don't have a [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► word for pond and I mean it was nicely [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► put together even though like John says [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► you knew it was coming [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► I thought I could appreciate how was all [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► interlocking together i can I could also [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► see how he's a younger child you know [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► someone who's younger might not pick up [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► on all those cues and then feel very [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► satisfied thank you to it yeah you know [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► I think my only problem with it is that [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► we had so many like flash reveals in [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► this in this particular episode with the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► flesh baby and everything else we like [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► haha oh my god and then this this in [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► contrast feels so straightforward and I [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► remember what [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► thing that like the last couple minutes [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► of it when she's like I'm melody I'm [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► your daughter and inwardly I was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► cringing a little bit but I mean as a [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► whole it fits but it did feel like it [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► felt very heavy-handed where it's like [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► River you could've just not said [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► anything at all and just let the let the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► leaf you know the leaf pattern go over [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► and show her name without actually [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► exposing on it but that's just me [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I also think it's just incredible [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► callousness about like which of the [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► writers people all the show actually [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► parents like the doctor going it'll be [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► okay i go take care of its like yes and [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► the parents don't get a sear for some [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► horrible number of years in which has [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► been captive by this hideous alien [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► species called the silence and all these [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► enemies yeah that's great i'm happy that [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► my child is fine and had seen her music [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► career I mean he's Bailey and then alien [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► and second he already knows that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► happened right but the good news is he [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► knows she's okay because Russia is a [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► little child they don't mean our [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► vehicles you know 40 or something and 45 [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► know parody I know that he can go get [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► her but she's gonna be eight or ten or [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► whatever and small right and they can [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► grow up with her later it'll be fine [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► well no you know I i have i have an [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► excuse for that which is for one thing [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► Amy didn't know she was pregnant [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► really for the entire time she was [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► pregnant and Rory had no freaking clue [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► video daughter so when you have them you [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► have them all all the sudden awkwardly [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► shown together with the baby it's like [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► they have no time to realize holy crap [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► we made a child [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► this is ours this is our baby and then [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the baby explodes so we have two minutes [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and then she explode [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► yes well I wanted to either question of [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► when exactly when when did flesh Amy [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► replace relay me [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► ah before America was worried about ya [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► he says that says before America but I [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► don't offer by answer is off camera that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► is the and well no because there is that [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► one part right where she gets kidnapped [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► in the 360 hard to look for sliding [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► thing before she gets kidnapped that's [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► why she don't know but in there was [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► which was before the beginning of the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► season without telling you [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► yeah which means they don't want to have [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► to show it you know or they'll show it [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► later and they'll go back at before and [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► they will hide happened here I would [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► have been happier if you'd been [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► kidnapped some point when they were in [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► America I thought they were you guys [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► when I look elsewhere dish what's that [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► part where she disappears in the better [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► person not not in that part would like [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► when they're when Rory's on the radio [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► and he's listening to her talk the [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► orphanage is at the orphanage still yeah [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that's bit again I I thought she was [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► kidnapped in the when she went into [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► first saw the silence in the White House [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► bathroom and Jason reminded me that no [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► that was she said before America so [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► because that would be the logical point [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► our stomachs hurting she goes in there [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► comes back and she said she's pregnant [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► and she's not pregnant so overall we've [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► had this this strange seven-episode [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► half-season like this doctor who have [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► season or whatever felt like an awful [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► lot of Arc and not a lot of monster of [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the week [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► yeah it is it and I didn't like that [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► part but I I think it's harder when you [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► only have seven episodes it and you've [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► got a finale and you've got a lead into [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the finale and you've got a two-part [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► opener that there wasn't a whole lot in [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► the middle right there wasn't a lot of [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► hey there were there were pirates in [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► space pirate has like pirates which was [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► like a week week and a weak monster the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► week and see what happens when he does [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► monster-of-the-week he doesn't do it [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► well welcome do mythology yeah well i [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► did make an order but I like that about [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► the show that it is you know that they [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► just kind of take the TARDIS somewhere [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► and there's an adventure and then the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► adventure is done and we didn't feel [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► like we got a lot of that we got Neil [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► Gaiman episode and we got the space [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► pirates and yeah I think about the ones [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► with Donna Donna had some good [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► monster-of-the-week swear they become do [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► it was like character development not so [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► much like our plot points but there [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► would be less developed on his character [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► through like the the Mount Vesuvius [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► thing and the mood episodes and I was a [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► greater arc plot points in there yet but [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► they were good standalone episodes but [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► mostly let you get to know the character [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► so that what they did in the big arc [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► episodes had more effect and made more [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► sense you know and ama is an interesting [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► character wears i think that the Rorion [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► and we are not interested in ames it [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► amy is very good-looking which saves [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► accounts for a lot but yeah i see is [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► very much [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► she has like she has some personality [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► and her childhood segment gives her [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► character more depth than Rory you just [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► appears on the scene as the white Mickey [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you know white Mickey that's what these [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► a common school I don't want to be the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► metal dog that dog have you ever had a [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► white Mickey mmm tasty [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► so the you know but I look for something [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► i like Amy because she is a dominant [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► personality and she actually you know [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► she actually does give give it back to [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► the doctor like better than he down she [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► right she doesn't she [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Donna was much more dominant than amy is [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► so but I mean you're also dealing with [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► with with the tenth doctor instead of [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the 11th Donna was less of a stereotype [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► amy is more of a typical female this is [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► a type you've seen females play before [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► is Donna was constantly going against [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► type help Donna was older and less [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► attractive because then she could you [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► know you she wasn't expected to be [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► spotted it was a different name and [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► rightly know that they made the whole [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► point of them being like their mates [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► right you know they were pals right and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► there wasn't a romantic thing and that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► was kind of refreshing and coming off a [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► couple seasons and she was she did not [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► admire and rest was the big thing mostly [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► other campaigns are in all him or admire [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► him or we need them to savor Donna did [TS]