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00:00:11 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► and we hope you like our recent two-part [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► epic about Star Wars will try to get to [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► the empire strikes back soon [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► we promise but now we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► about the just-concluded HBO series Game [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► of Thrones based on the series of books [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► by george RR martin and before we blow [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► the spoiler horn what we're going to say [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► is we're going to talk about the first [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► season of Game of Thrones on HBO the [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► first 10 episodes and we're going to [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► related talk about that first novel a [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► game of thrones by george RR martin [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► we're not going to talk about what [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► happens after that first book after the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► first season of the show so if you're [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► riding along with the show or the first [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► book and you don't want to know what [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► this should be a safe zone for you were [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► not come and try to spoil you [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► I'm Jason Snelling hosted the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► incomparable joining me today are a [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► great large collection of people who [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► want to talk about Game of Thrones let's [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► start with the the sniper of podcast [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► comedy himself Scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► hello good to have you here Dan more'n [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► also joins us because he's on every [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I damn Ned Stark [TS]

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00:01:24 ◼   ► hi hi hi you're not already called will [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► also joins us from the good city of San [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► Francisco hi Winterfell Winterfell hello [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► hello hello John syracuse joins us from [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► the wilds of Massachusetts I John [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► greetings everybody and special guest [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► making his first appearance on the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► incomparable Monty Ashley who recapped [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► game of thrones for the website [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► television without pity and also a [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► college friend of mine haimanti hello [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► welcome those two twins which to the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► twins the twist [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► no they're not they're not every with [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► that would have been awkward [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► they would be though they did horrible [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► things that women should not do to [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► another that would be what we can't have [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► spoiled the future episode when it's [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► revealed no they're twins so so i think [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► that the one of the pressing questions [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► about this show from the beginning from [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► when we heard it was going to come on [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► was how would you adapt [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► this novel this kind of sweeping in some [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► ways intentionally unfilmable novel it [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and turn it into a TV show now they had [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► 10 hours to do it instead of a two-hour [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► movie but still there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► packed into that book there are a lot of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► a lot of backstory there so many [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► characters so I you know first off I'd [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► say what do you guys think about how [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► they first first actually let's take a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► survey here how many of you have you all [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► read the book [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► indeed razor has yes my hands I have not [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► read the book [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► ok to John Syracuse's our control [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► control subjects such as I could be [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► alright so so for those of you who have [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► read the books i'm curious what you [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► think about how the show handled at [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► adapting the book and if it did a good [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► job or if perhaps even surpassed the [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► book in some way let's start with Monty [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► I thought the show was actually better [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► than the books and that I didn't like [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► the books at all the books I felt were [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► long and rambly i felt i had read 3,000 [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► pages and I was not invested in anything [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► that was happening and I didn't care who [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► died next whereas on the show even [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► though i'd read the first book I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► couldn't wait for the next episode to [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► see what was going to happen and I think [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► part of that is because it [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the show is a lot less vague and you can [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► actually see what's happening with [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► different characters when you did the [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► spoiler horn right [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► yes the songs for has been fired when [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► they died we actually have to see there [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► huawei descended not Ned Stark a [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► different net head flavors when Ned [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► Flanders know what [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► well the simpsons now when they died [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► you can see how everyone reacted there's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► no vagueness about whether Cersei wanted [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► this to happen [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► you saw her freak out and tell Joffrey [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► to knock it off and that sort of thing I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► gave me a much better feel for what was [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► happening on the show actually that what [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► is a wren Dan Scott what do you guys [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► think definitely well I mean you get the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► the picture very clearly that I Joffrey [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► is basically going off his rocker and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► being like I'm going to just do [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► as and screw whatever my mother is a [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► range and you get that in an instant [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► which is bigger haha yeah and the camera [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► angle or great [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► well I I mean I think you know button by [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► necessity they have to cut a lot of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► stuff down right and they sort of [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► trimmed it and and honed it to a point i [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► think which works great i mean like [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► television you know movies and books are [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► obviously very distinct genres are [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► things you can do in either that you [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► can't do in the other but i think that [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► they you know they took what would make [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► a good you know a good television show [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► out of the book and as such because you [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► know it is still a huge investment [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► obviously time it's 10 hours but it [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► feels in some ways less of a time sink [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► than reading a multi-hundred page looks [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► as if this is someone who likes the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► books and thinks that the books did a [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► good job for four books that they were [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► in that you know this is sort of an epic [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► fantasy series and as someone who enjoys [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► reading those I thought it did an [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► excellent job with that but also you [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► know it's hard to walk that path of of [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► adapting such well-known source material [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► and I think they did they did a quite [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► adept job at it for a variety of reasons [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► got well i think you know the the kind [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► of people who read giant fantasy books [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► are the kind of people who want to revel [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► in the details and you know know about [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► all the history of the houses and all [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that crap and the kind of people who I [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► say crap and lovingly and so when you're [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► developing a show that you just have to [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► cut to the bare bones right and and just [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► boil it down to the central plot points [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► and if it's on HBO and naked people and [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► you're done and I think they did that is [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► accomplished [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► well i think in reading one of the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► interviews with george RR martin he [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► talks about how in some ways this was I [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► think I mentioned this in our podcast [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► about the books in some ways this was [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► his take on something like a historical [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► event like the war of the roses and and [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it within watching the TV show I almost [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► felt like what we were seeing was the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► source material was like a history book [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► that had lots of detail and that then [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► the people come in and say well that's [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► the story that was the history of how do [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► we tell a TV show based on this and and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► so did get simplified and in clarified [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► in some ways and and I do think that was [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► successful and it's the same [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► the way that you know you take something [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► like like lord of the rings right which [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► is again has this incredibly you know [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► deep rich history behind it but have you [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► know history doesn't always make a super [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► interesting movie or TV show you say [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► that now we just wait until Peter [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► Jackson does the silmarillion okay man [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► I'm right on the edge of my seat maybe [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I'll finally finished reading that book [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► and finish my eighth grade book report [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► but I you know there's something to you [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► gotta change it it's got to be a little [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► more cohesive that the narrative [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► structure has to change a little bit [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► because you're building for these axons [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► individual episodes but you know overall [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► again I think they did a great job with [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► it and I you know I i want to tip you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► know a large part of my hat to the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► casting which is just an HBO is shown [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► themselves to be just awesome where [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► they're casting directors are they just [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► they are great across-the-board because [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► they do such a fantastic job of picking [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► the right people for the part and there [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► were so many cases in this where you [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► know having read the book and picture to [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► character a certain way even if it [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► wasn't like exactly a hundred percent [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► right you can you look at the characters [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► and be like yep [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► yeah that's basically what that guy [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► looks like all right we'll get back to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the casting because I do want to talk [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► about the the actors in this but first i [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► want to go to our control group john [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► siracusa who did not read the book my [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► wife also didn't read the book and it [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► was fascinating to watch her and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► occasionally I would explain something [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► but generally you know she got it she [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you know it like watching the wire or [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► something like that you know not to [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► compare it to the wire John easy easy [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► but it's like that innocence that the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► first few episodes they're getting [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► ripped up and it's a little bit slower [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► and there's a lot to digest [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► by the end she was really satisfied with [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it's not John you know how about you how [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► was your take on it not having read the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► books you know just because you didn't [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► read the book doesn't mean you can't [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► tell if it's a good adaptation or not I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► have just thinking about this was [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► watching it you may be uniquely able to [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► tell us because you didn't have to deal [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► with about it all here here are i'll [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► give you a system this two ways you can [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► do a time elapsing in the story you can [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► do the big jump or you show that the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► little kid and he has some trauma [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► experienced me as a child and then you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► jump forward and he's like a young man [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► right that's the big jump dissolved to [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Israel a teenager [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► yes or you can do the small series of [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► steps with logical connections between [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► bad adaptations happen when they there [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► in that middle ground where they have to [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► cut stuff out of the book it's not long [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► enough to be a dissolved change scenery [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► now he's a man type of thing but it's [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► not short enough for you to be able to [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► connect the dots of like what I just saw [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that guy and he was like cowardly and me [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► and he was when he was talking to this [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► person they had this relationship and [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► now three scenes later they seem to have [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► a totally different relationship and [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► then they try to stick in lines of [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► dialogue do remember you know two years [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► ago I got over my fear of you and we had [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► a battle that was not included in this [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► out you know it seems disjointed an [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► example i would give even though it [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► doesn't have the character development [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► problems probably because that much [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► character development is the the recent [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► series of harry potter movies I I always [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► felt like there were gaps taken out and [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► they weren't long enough where was a big [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► transition period of the people's lives [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► but they weren't short enough it from [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► one thing to the next would be like all [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► wait a second what are we supposed to be [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► concerned about something like you would [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► feel things missing and a game of [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► thrones they seem to whatever they cut [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► out i didn't notice where the holes [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► where it just seemed like everything [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► logically followed from the other and [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► there wasn't a lot of people having to [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► do exposition to explain their own [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► motivations or events that were not seen [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► on camera or whatever so the stuff they [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► cut out thumbs up because i don't think [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► you needed it and what exposition there [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► was was done while people were naked [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► yeah I remember that never hurts like [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► except for that old dude [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► although that was really funny right [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► because it seems like a random scene but [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► then you realize that what they're [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► really showing is that it's all it's all [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► put on and he actually is spryer than [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► than that but yes make it explanation is [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► that is an actor is great too i bet [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that's probably the best thing he's ever [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► done in his entire acting career and he [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► was in Indiana Jones and the Last [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► Crusade and Empire I know but was he was [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► he doing naked squats with it with a [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► negative actress in the room no they did [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► not ask general veers to do that now [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► they showed he was physically spryer [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► than you thought [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► but he's also the only person actually [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► supporting Joffrey at the whole [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► heartedly at this point I think right is [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► he or is he saying that because he knows [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that the girl is a spy for I don't know [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► which one varistor Littlefinger I don't [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► know who can tell i would not be [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► the game of thrones all the whores work [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► for Tommy Carcetti that's right they see [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► more wire rozell some more [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that's amazing uh it is the HBO HBO [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Actors Guild they all get parts in [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► various HBO rules and John otherwise as [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► a as a novice to the game of thrones [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► series just going in cold as a as a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► viewer to hold together too long you [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► know make sense [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► see we you know we satisfied by this [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► thing is a complete blank slate [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► yeah i mean you could see that they had [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► to do they opened the Series with sort [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► of the overarching mythos of winter and [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► those white riders and stuff like that [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► and then a great quickly move away from [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► that to get you settled into the world [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► that is threatened by that thing I guess [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► it's kind of a season one thing where [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► you have to establish what I assume is [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► going to be the larger arc story and [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► then quickly go inside well here's the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► world is threatened and let me get you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► involved in that world so that when it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► becomes threatened lay there or you know [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► you'll be more invested in it so that [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► was a little bit awkward transitioning [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► from is this a series about the wall [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► nothing straightening the wall or is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► this is serious about people fighting [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► over is going to be king of the other [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► parts in which senses it's actually a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► very faithful representation of the book [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► because that's basically exactly how the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► book but it is interesting it is the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► message there is that the you know you [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► you're seeing this fantasy series in the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► first scene has got something [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► supernatural limit and then you forget [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► in many ways that that you saw that and [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► it's all there's not a lot of magic in [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► especially in this first season there's [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► really very little magic until you get [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► to the last couple of episodes and I [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► feel like that first scene is there to [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► tell you yes yes that there are magical [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► things that are going to happen just not [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► for a while yet and that's how george RR [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► martin has structured the whole story [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► right because he starts off at the wall [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► and it's very it's a big imposing thing [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► and you think oh my god this is [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► important and these people are doing [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► important work keeping the Seven [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► Kingdoms safe and then you find out that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► they send the dregs of humanity up there [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► and they just don't want to think about [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► it and behind that wall is you know [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► magical things and all kinds of nasty [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► things that no one wants to think about [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► so they just think about this little [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► game of thrones that they are playing [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► while the whole time you know [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► who knows what's gathered i think i [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► think Hogwarts is above the wall right [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► yes yeah listen already at land of [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► eternal winter up there right [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that's good now i want to thank you [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► light that they ever address why things [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► can't walk around the wall it's really [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► big that sits along and no around and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► not over it just go to the end and then [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► walk its its end-to-end isn't it I mean [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► goes from ocean to ocean yeah ocean to [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► ocean right by the ocean is like three [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► feet deep at the short walk up to your [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► waist [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► I don't think so i think it goes further [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► than that there's this geography haven't [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► you didn't watch the opening credits [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► every day but they have but they have [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► boat started there there there John John [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► they're White Walkers not wait swimmers [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► ok just like the Dothraki are afraid of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► swimming so our way Walker's that's [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► right it has made me realize their major [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► political implications white floaties [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► let's talk a little bit about the actors [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► in the casting dan mentioned it earlier [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► you know III it really is tough to try [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► him and cast of characters an adaptation [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► especially when the when the books have [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► such fans but i have to say i think in [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► general they did a really good job in [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► fact nailed it and come on [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► I i have a couple equivalent but they're [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► they're so offset by the positives that [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► you know I mean let's start [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► I mean yeah everybody can throw out a [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► favorite if they if they've got it made [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► everybody is waiting so Peter Dinklage [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► let's talk about that that's the best [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► character in the books [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► it's he does a great job although I will [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► say his accent is atrocious all gets [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► better but it starts out it's really [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► really bad but he's still got but he's [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► got the manor down oh yeah completely [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► great character and he does he nails it [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► he does other than the accent which I [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► feel like even by the end of the series [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► I felt like he was better with the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► accent that he had to struggle with that [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► a little bit but such a great character [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► and perfect casting right when i heard [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► that he was cast I thought well that's [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► it and Tyrion Lannister is just a you [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► know that's just a fantastic character [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► so that was that was yeah that's like in [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► a great his speech in the Eyrie [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► especially his entire yeah i'm going to [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► confess to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► like crimes and just the way through [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► that out and played it so specifically [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► was fantastic [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► it's like a weird Perry Mason episode [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► where except the judge would have to be [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► nursing a nine-year-old gotta venture [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► something that was that was creepy [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I saw that episode of Perry Mason meant [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► as weird as creepier than I then I [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► thought creepier than I thought the the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► the the Lord of the Aerie nursing on [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► this mom creepier than the books ever [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► made it out to be yeah there's a house [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► that was pretty creepy in the books [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► yeah but you didn't get this see how old [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► he was yeah yeah there's that whatever [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► is the picture in your mind you can't [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► really picture and eight-year-old [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► suckling at his mother's breasts until [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► you see it on the screen and then its [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► just oh in in HD so in terms of the the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► the headliners i'm sean bean no stranger [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► to fantasy from Lord of the Rings they [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► bring him in as the essentially the lead [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► character except those supposed to read [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the book knew what was coming and it was [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► going to be a one-season gig for him but [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I thought he did a really good job [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► ya know he's very solid he's the one [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► honest man right like that's the moment [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► that supply and in that sense you know [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► kind of the opposite of his of his [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► warlords and Kings character that you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► and I was watching it with my wife when [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► she could bear to watch it because she [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► cannot handle tense violent shows so she [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► was half most like five minutes when she [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► was watching the show she kept saying [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► why is he so stupid [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► he's not stupid he is just honest he's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► the only one right exactly [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► I love I can I just say one thing that i [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► absolutely love about the last episode [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► with Ned and with the whole you know [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► getting his head getting beheaded and [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► all that fun stuff for is when he looks [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► and sees Aria on the on the mountain he [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► looks and he sees her and there's it's [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► obvious it's not a detailed it's in the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► books because it's from Mario's [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► perspective as i remember not not for [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► meds but he looks and he sees her and [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► it's the last thing he sees before he [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► gets beheaded as he looks and he doesn't [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► see her on the on the platform anymore [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► on the mountain anymore and that's like [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► I know that that moment specifically [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► just grabbed me [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► it's a moment of [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► hope which is not really you know big in [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the books no there's no I'm still alive [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► and and he set the message that where [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► she is so that they can go getter and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► hopefully spirit her away right that [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► certain last his last gasp you know give [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► them props to for the the kid the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► children actors for the most part I [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► think you re especially who is one of [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► another one of my favorite characters [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► from the books are you think they had a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► they had a very nice [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► they did a great job with her too she [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► was great she's got all those scenes [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► with the the fencing master with Syria [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► florell are excellent that's a good [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► little minor character who was well [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► welcome [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► he's so while cast the attitude i love [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► area but they keep having seen four [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► people say she looks like a boy and the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► actress doesn't look like a boy [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► yeah that's tough because I mean that is [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► a necessity in in the books right like [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► the end there you started like they're [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► basically making her pass for a boy [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► unfortunately she's not she's not the [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► most boyish of actresses yea big steak [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► cut her hair and makeup yeah they gotta [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► like put mud on her face or something [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► and yeah they're hoping that the bigger [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► eyebrows we're going let's just put [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► extra eyebrow pencil and that will [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► totally make her not look feminine [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► although that that's um that's a scene [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► from the beginning of the second book i [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► believe i think they actually did push a [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► few scenes from the second book into the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► last episode resolved certain storylines [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► are you know it's it's structured again [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna go back to the wire one of the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► things that I really liked about the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► wire is that the every all the big [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► events happen to need an ultimate [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► episode of the season [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that's where the bloodbath happened in [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► Game of Thrones that's when Ned gets his [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► head chopped off and then the last [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► episode is like the fallout and day [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► tomorrow and I i really like that and I [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► like that about the wire and I like that [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► I i think it was probably consciously [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► model that way by the producers a game [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► of thrones to have that shifting of [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► gears the fallout the set up for the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► next season and it's funny that they [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► actually pulled a couple of scenes from [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► the second book forward but it's great [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► because it gets Aria out of the town you [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► see that she got out that she's on this [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► new journey that's going to be [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► presumably perilous and you know I [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► thought that was good and the actor who [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► plays Arya's fantastic even though she [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► is is not boyish really just probably [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► wonder the actress who plays sands [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► it's actually quite do so let's talk [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► about Sansa is an annoying character in [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► the book and she says no and character [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► in the TV show although my wife was just [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► telling me before we started recording [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► this that the last couple episodes you [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► see that the actress will play Santa has [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► some skills and they give her some [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► things to do in and she does a good job [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► but she's playing such an unsympathetic [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► character up to that point she's playing [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► I'm unsympathetic character but at the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► same time I mean she's playing it so [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► well and so to the point where it's like [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► you you just especially in the scene [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► with Joffrey and like what is it episode [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► seven or eight when he comes to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► apologize to her that hole where she's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► being just could complete bitch to the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► to the septa that that combination of [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► scenes just shows you know her range [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► when she gets some growth in at the end [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► to write that brief moment in that live [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► in the last episode I was very last [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► scene where she's completely pale while [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► the one where she the when will Joffrey [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► takes her to cnet's hello and you get [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that brief moment of the I mean [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► basically contemplate like throwing them [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► off the bridge right yeah I can grab and [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► makeup off and we were both be dead [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► right and like you I mean that's it [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that's a big moment for her right [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► because you know she's been very she's [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► been very complicit up until that point [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► and so it was a nice moment and it shows [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► the range and I I'd really actually like [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► the interaction with her in the house [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► there too at the edges [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► well he's saving her or is he condemning [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► her right it's a little bit of both and [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► is he doing it for her for the king [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► it's all kind of you know who knows [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► what's going on there in a way senses [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► basic flaws the same as Ned's is that [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► she's too naive [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► she seems to me to have totally bought [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► into the idea that you'll just become a [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► princess and marry the king and then be [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► Queen Sansa and everything will be [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► ponies and unicorns forever [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah especially Caesar [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► traditional fantasy character in many [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► ways right and look what Kepler naive [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► yet knew the rules of the game he just [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► refused to play it so he knew he was [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► more or less doomed he knew how things [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► were I mean he knew when he got the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► offer come be the hand of the king he [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► knew like this sucks basically and this [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► will not end well [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► probably for me but he does it out of a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► sense of honor and everything he does [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► when he's there he doesn't have a sense [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► of honor even though he knows full well [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► how badly is gonna go where sonza really [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► has no idea [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► the world actually works there's a great [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► line where she says too seriously that [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► she's going to be a queen like her and [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► it's like oh honey you're not going to [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► be a queen like her I think she just [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► doesn't know what property she's in on [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► on Sansa and the casting not having read [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► the book interesting thing about the [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► casting was that very early on in the [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► the episodes i was trying to determine [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► which one of these characters are [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► suppose I am I supposed to be [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► sympathizing with like which are the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► good guys and bad guys more or less [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► United mean I and a lot of it had to do [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► with the actor so for example Tyrion now [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► Terry and I was immediately attracted to [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► Tyrion but the things they had him do [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► were not very good so it's like well it [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► is this character in the book proposed [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► to be evil but this actor is just [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► charming the pants off me because he's [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► such a good actor right or is like is [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► that the character and the same goes for [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► everybody else like Sansa is she really [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► supposed to be this annoying am I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► supposed to hate her or suggest the [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► performance you know so I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► gauge by like how much do I like the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► actor is does that mean that this [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► character is going to be a good guy in [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► the stories and that was a fascinating [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► thing it shows that the characters [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► aren't cut and dry like you couldn't say [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► good guy bad guy got everybody has their [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► own problems and i think i carried [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► through the whole season even towards [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the end of it I'm like I still don't [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► know what the characterization of these [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► people in this book series is but i [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► decided i like tyrion no matter what I [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► think I think you actually that shows [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► that you got the desired effect because [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► the books are very similar and one that [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► may perhaps my favorite thing about the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► books and I've read the football [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► whatever four books of them is is that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► every time you think that you've got a [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► character and you've got them in a hole [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► like I'm rooting for them I'm not [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► rooting for them you realize oh no they [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► did something terrible or they did [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► something good and Tyrion is the best [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► example right he's a Lannister he does [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► these you know he does these awful [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► things but at the same time he's funny [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► he's smart [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► you get the sense that he's sort of [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► doing terrible things out of family [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► obligations to like like net in some [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► ways and I think that's the strongest [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► thing about these these characters in [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► this story is that is that it's hard to [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► pigeonhole them as good guys and bad [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► guys and although in the first season [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► and the way they're portrayed it is a [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► lot harder to find any sympathy for [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► seriously and and and Jaime Lannister or [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► job and I mean that [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► you are Jeffrey but I mean that again [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► you're speaking to speaking to the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► actors Joffrey doesn't look like it's me [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► again note perfect right you're supposed [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► to load him he is like just a terrible [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► loathsome individual and I can be draco [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► malfoy smart right that's so smart me [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► about it and like I think you've totally [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► get that I think that guy you know the [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► performance there was excellent in that [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► it's like he just brought out every [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► thing that you hate about that character [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► he could he could not be he cannot be [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► drinking mouthwash i want to point this [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► out that even the characters that you [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► hate that's why I brought up seconds [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► like sands are even Joffrey those [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► characters all have sympathetic moments [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► as opposed to drag the left Ruiz is just [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► a cartoon right because we gotta you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► know you feel for Joffrey when he tries [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► to when he gets you know choose hand [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► Troodon because he was trying to be the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► big man he so clearly isn't these fit is [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► basically failing to impress a girl [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that's a sympathetic thing it's not [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► doesn't excuse his later behavior but [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► you understand why is why is he like [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► this why is he so angry and mean it's [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► because he's had you know he's not [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► successful at becoming a man on high-end [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► on his own terms [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► same thing with Santa who would like is [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► naive and you're like well I'm kinda [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► disgusted with our vacations naive but [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► she's mostly just an innocent you feel [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► for when she sees her father's head get [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► cut off and you know later has to look [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► at the head on a pike and consider [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► throwing yourself off the bridge [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► everybody is sympathetic in ways that [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► for example draco malfoy is mostly not [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► in the movies anyway I don't know about [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► the books and that's why I like you for [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► example i wouldn't be shocked if someone [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► said well you know sounds is actually [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the hero of the third book because she [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► grows into this great Queen you know [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► about like you can foresee any possible [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► future for all the people involved and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► some of them had that are controversies [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► and like what's-her-name generis [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► obviously over she starts off in the [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► season where she ends a very different [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► feel like I can see that arc for anybody [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► pick any character and if you told me [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► that like some in some distant future [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► they are very important and a good guy [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► be rooting for I would believe it a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► hundred percent [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► ok let's go across the Narrow Sea then [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► and talk about the Daenerys Targaryen [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► story which is was shot i think [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► completely separately in in the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► Mediterranean most of the series was [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► shot in Northern Ireland but some of it [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► a shot and the Mediterranean to get that [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► kind of desert you feel you know there [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► are a couple crossovers that happen but [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► it's basically [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► the self-contained story and and to [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► John's point such a great journey [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► because when you meet her first off you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► don't know whether she is the focus [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► because there's this horselord hurt her [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► brother right Harry Lloyd place her [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► brother and you think well he's the he's [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► the dragon he's gonna come back and she [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and she gets sold to the horse Lord and [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► she basically gets raped on her wedding [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► night your it was what the hell is this [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► and by the end she has basically kicked [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► everybody's ass and and I I think it's a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► great i think that was great casting she [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► was actually recast they were somebody [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► else in the pilot may they replaced her [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► and in the end I think that was a great [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► character but I you know i'm i'm curious [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► what you guys thought about that whole [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► really kind of separate story thread [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► that was going on throughout you know I [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► was really skeptical about her at first [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► the actress in the first and the first [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► episode I was kind of like yeah I mean [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► she doesn't she's really get to say much [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► and but as the as the entire season [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► progressed I mean I would say the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► actress crew as much as the character [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and it was really kind of astonishing to [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► watch like you really believe that she [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► was transitioning from this naive [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► awkward girl into basically a queen what [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► you needed to be maybe she was just that [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► good i don't know but it's definitely [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► felt that progression [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► yeah i just never I was never sure if I [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► like to her not as a character in the [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► books and I still I feel very similarly [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► with John saying I feel very ambivalent [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► about her in many ways her whole [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► storyline is my least favorite part of [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► the books whenever whenever i'm reading [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► about her and just impatient to get back [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► to all this other stuff right right went [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► back to court and so injury so but money [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► so what you feel about it in the TV show [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► how did you feel less of that [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► yeah because watching somebody do it I [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► can't skip over it it in the book is [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► I read the first page to go oh this is [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► another dairy section so I've got 20 [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► pages of this boring flip flip flip [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► boring a teary and saying something cool [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► again remember the fun stuff but what I [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► want to sit down and watch it then it's [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► more fun [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► yeah there were some nice you know the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► the horse people are again I'm calling [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► the horse people they're not half-man [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► half-horse they just ride horses but the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► horse people and call Drogo which you [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► know another piece of good cast yeah [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► good casting [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► it's gonna be great as Conan don't you [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► think yeah it's very cold in and he [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► doesn't even get to speak a word from [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► what like two words of English on that i [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► was going on [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► well this right here they they hired a [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► linguist to invent the whole Dothraki [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► language so it is it like click on it is [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► this invented artificial variable intake [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► on bridge now it's not like going on [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► no well it means like Leon and in the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► sense that they actually bought out the [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► whole grammar in the EMA and the dialect [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and everything and didn't just sort of [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like makeup wacky words to have them say [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► but that's the internet some interesting [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► playing on has a long and storied [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► history but this will see yes we'll see [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► if people are speaking to raqi and [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► whatever that's right i don't think [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► anyone should be going to dose rocky [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► camp in 20 years [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► no we'll see about that Scott we'll see [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► any other thoughts about that storyline [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► i think that the you know I John were [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► you surprised at how that ended because [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► you know she was being set up to have [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the baby without i thought i was telling [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► some of those eggs appeared and like [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► episode who you're kinda like the ball [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► you can see where this is your only with [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the eggs yet the only thing that [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► surprised me is that I was surprised [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that the Drogo dropped out as soon as he [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► did I you always knew that she would [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► grow it to be the queen and your stupid [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► eggs are gonna hatch instead of just [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► sitting there and every episode and you [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► knew that she would come into her power [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► or whatever when she's doing that [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► putting the egg and on the fire and [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► stuff like that but I thought Drogo [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► would be there alongside her because why [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► not i mean she could be a powerful Queen [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► alongside him and you know they could be [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► equals and rule together but it turns [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► out the horselords are not the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► antibiotic Lord's and He ya somethin [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► nicely brutal about that that whole [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► section across the sea you were saying [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► that they started the Mediterranean I I [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► thought that the sets and the settings [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► who didn't look as impressive maybe it's [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► because they're harder to do it didn't [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► look as impressive as for example [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► Winterfell I guess maybe it's easier to [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► do stone castles and snow that it is to [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► do desert sand Sun in the Mediterranean [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► but it the cast felt the weaker there [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► weren't as many strong characters over [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► there across the sea that was like three [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► or four when you have like dozens on the [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► other side right and the settings looks [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► more kind of TV at but maybe they did [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► some stuff indoors [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► they should have done outdoors I don't [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► know what it was but that that threw me [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► off a little bit i did feel a little [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► like oh we're going across the sea well [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► that's not being that interesting but [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► one stroke or really started to become a [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► character and that interaction between [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► them started and you got the whiny [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► blonde dude out of the way with this [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► horrible dyed hair then across the same [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► stuff started to kyle and you know and [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► and it's i did like the fact that it was [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► this other it was like that was taking [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► place at the wall this other thing [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► that's an existential threat to the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► games that are going on between the the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► people who are fighting it out in their [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► little circle so you've got the wall [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► which we don't talk about much we have [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► head as he's doing across the sea and [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► there the outside threat that you have [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► to worry about the only people talking [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► about them is the what's-his-name the [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► ball dude and Kings Landing he's the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► only one who seems even remotely [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► concerned that these guys are going to [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► come across the sea and and kill them [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► all right I think that's one of the nice [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► things about the setup right is this [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► multipolar world it's not as if they're [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► too cool you know that the the people of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► Westeros are gonna clash with the people [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► across the sea because then there's the [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► wall and then they're fighting each [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► other and like I what's gonna happen Who [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► am I supposed to even pull for here it's [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► a mess [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► running to the Dragons it go your team [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► dragon go dragons I'm dragon alright and [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► a nice word about the court in general [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► which i think you know [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► marikar city as little finger and [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► whoever they got to play various i think [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► also also very apt casting and anytime [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► that I love that little guys together uh [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► yeah that always the last episode of [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► them that's cop was significant schemers [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► with the power behind the throne right [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► the people who know everybody and got [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► have everybody planted everywhere and [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► you know in the book I felt that that [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► was seeing that especially various but [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► seeing those two guys screaming like [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► that on on the screen felt more tangible [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► to me in some ways that like you know [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► because you can sort of see them hanging [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► back there at the edge of the scene you [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► know that they're up to something i [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► really like that I thought that was and [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► which one do you trust you [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► neither no no way now what about various [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► came across much more in much more [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► sympathetic to me in some ways I mean [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► despite the fact that you know they is [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► clearly you're still playing his own [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► game [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► you know what you know we don't get [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► quite the moment of like gasps betrayal [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► that we get from little finger right so [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► let's talk about the Lannisters before [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► we move move north seriously and Jay [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► me who don't four important characters [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like Jaime Lannister doesn't have as [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► much screen time as I think that I [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► expected although I guess he just isn't [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► in the first book as much we see more of [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► him later no spoilers just you know [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► he'll be back more than through other [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► people's eyes right it rise the King's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► lair whatever the good good good casting [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► on those I thought those the actors were [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► both perfectly reasonable quite as our [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► cost Sarah Connor did a great job but [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► you can tell from Jaime Lannister's hair [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► what character he is instantly like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► everybody else is many evil and most of [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the guys have like sean bean doesn't [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► change how people can't shave it's just [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► that manly the stubble is just cannot be [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► destroyed but Jaime Lannister walks in [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► his hair is perfect he's got gleaming [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► armor he's a pretty boy pretty boy with [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► a good sort and yeah yeah he's he's he's [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► a sharp one [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► so but that yeah and he was what she [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► Sarah Connor and he was New Amsterdam [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► write the answer in fox fox actors from [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► cancelled fox series now welcome to HBO [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► stepping and the little bit of Tywin [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that we get we don't get much of him but [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that only was my favorite [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► here's my favorite Lannister because his [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► introduction scene where he's cleaning [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► an animal there are ya [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► oh isn't it you know it's like here's a [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► new character and you're gonna have [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► you're gonna have to watch him yelling [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► at his son [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► well i think was the son wherever he was [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► used yelling at while he cleans animal [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► he was skimming a stag because it's [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► symbolic sigh symbolic of Robert I just [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► thought it was a good that was a good [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► intro to the world because it you know [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► present viewer they're assuming that [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► you're going to be put off by the fact [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► is clean this animal but you're also [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► supposed to understand to the characters [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► in the world this is this is about as [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► dramatic is talking to someone with a [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► sip a cup of coffee because this is just [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► what you do in this world you know no [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► one no one else in that scene was upset [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► by him clean animal except you're like [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the rich he's the richest guy in the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► Seven Kingdoms like he could have [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► someone do that for him right [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► like it means something that he does it [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► himself matter of principle here you [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► want it done right [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► he's like that kind of guy echoes Ned [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► coming off the head of the deserter [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► right i mean it's not like I'm gonna do [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► this myself [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► this is my business so uh we should also [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► talk a moment about [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► mark addy as King Robert who again meets [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► an untimely end killed by a pig but in [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► in the scenes that he has damn Cubs I [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► Westeros pd I I thought about the wire I [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► thought mark addy was was really good I [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► liked him as the kind of you know king [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► who maybe he's got regrets he has a few [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► but then again he's fat and happy and [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► drunk and has a you know beautiful wife [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► who hates them and whatever go to esa [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► see a word about that scene the scene [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► with him in searcy where they talk about [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► the fact that their marriages hold right [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► which is not in the book [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► no but it was such an awesome to see man [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► let me leave that brief view of man if [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► things had been different right like [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► maybe this wouldn't have been so unhappy [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► and maybe next week a lot of terrible [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► things wouldn't happen but that was the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► way that it was meant to be and that's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► how it happened that made Cersei more [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► sympathetic to the other scene where you [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► see that he's not a pure evil caricature [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► you know the only thing that keeps [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► bringing me back to Jamie and seriously [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► being evils of the incest think it's [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► hard to look at last throwing the kid [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► out the window [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► well that's understandable that kid was [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► annoying let's face it yet that was [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► protect that was part of that was part [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► of the incest thing where you know [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► they're trying to protect their secrets [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► just like that taint install their [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► characters the Lannisters what a great [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► family the right you get tie when you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► got teary and you got Jamie ah i have to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► say a short thing about I about Tyrians [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► entourage in the later episodes because [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► LeBron this onward on Iran is a greater [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► Braun is very well cast and Shey but it [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► was completely different want to how I [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► pictured her in the books completely [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► different personality completely [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► different look completely different type [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► so i was very kind of taken aback the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► first time isn't she more of just kind [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► of along for the ride Tyrion is is fond [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► of a of a horror and that's how I read [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► in the books and the in the TV show she [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► is super sharp [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► uh-huh well i mean i think you get to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► some [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► some extent that she's a little bit [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► sharp in the books but she seems foolish [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► in a way where it's more she she read to [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► me in the books is more of like a [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► California valley girl horse right or [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► she's just like I want pretty things i [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► want to be you know etcetera and in [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► actuality in the teeth the television [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► show makes me love this character she's [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► more like a college professor of course [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► yeah exactly I'm not know but I [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► sometimes I think there's some depth at [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► that you that the characters in the TV [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► in the in the book series they grow over [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► time and you that you have these [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► unexplored depths but seeing them on [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► I think the producers almost have to [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► make the decision to show some of that [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► stuff up front because otherwise it will [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► make sense later as soon as they grow [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► the depth so they're like we're going to [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► show that she has depth up front because [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► we can't do it later we gotta do right [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► by it and you get the idea that she [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► needs to be a little least somewhat [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► sharp in order to why would he bring her [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► Syrians yet to catch Syrians fancy the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► way that's his i right [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► yeah because he's a super sharp guy [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► himself so far on the show I'm not even [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► convinced Shae is a whore she hasn't [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► said she was she denied everything [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► Tyrion said about her and all we know is [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► that Braun took her from someone else in [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the camp [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► oh right ok that's true she heard she's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► sort of mysterious the network she said [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► she's an independent business she is [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► right she [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► hey she's just she's out there stand [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► alive right [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► the tough world out there in Westeros [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► that scene where they're like that let's [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► play the truth and the truth game where [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► I where I determine things about your [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► past that's not a scene from the books [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► as i recall and that's fantastic [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► ya know they as as the series got going [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► to you felt that they got more confident [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► in taking some liberties that actually [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► serve the story better [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► yeah i mean like that whole scene with [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► Renly in the night flowers i think that [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► was haha you know that there's whole [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► pages on the on the on the game of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► thrones wiki about speculating about the [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► sexuality of Renly and the knight of [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► flowers and and the event in the wow so [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► it is not that one down so it's like [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► well actually we can confirm that [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► with Sally defect but they don't have [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► half the sweetly they don't hey sorry [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► I'm sorry he's coming next summer watch [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► out rapid sweetling is gonna be in there [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah so let's move north let's go to [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► Winterfell virtually of course because [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► Winterfell is made up with like the rest [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► of these books but let's just let's [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► shift the scene and talk about the start [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► kids and we'll talk about catlin to any [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► thoughts about how the Winterfell stuff [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► played out for brand is broken I easy is [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► pretty good too i kind of have these [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► dreams though know there's a three-eyed [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► crow at least brands on the show how do [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► you think Rick and feels about all this [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► he gets a couple scenes he's in his [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► wandering around in the tombs [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► yeah my wife said my wife said is that [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► is that the other kid I said yes that's [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► finally the other kid he's he's shown [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► very early on but not yet he does not [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► get a lot of he doesn't get a lot of [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► time in the book either know he's the [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► baby right like he's kind of build you [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► know the book has a few more scene for [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► he's mentioned though like Kaitlyn is [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► sitting by brand side Rob comes to her [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► and says you have to do something [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Rick and is down there with the wolves [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► and he's going crazy and they just cut [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► that completely out [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► let him go in the book in the book you [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► know you introduce yourself to the to [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► the stark family and you can sit there [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and all right [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► ok so there's many kids and these are [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► the names right got it got it where the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► TV show you know they'd be the first [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► episode of there like all these kids and [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► the percentage everywhere and then there [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► and there's the ward and the bastard and [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► you're like who were they and which one [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► is he again and so by the time you get [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► to the end you like o.o is there another [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► one all right I know it's a little boy [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► is the only one is he the only one in [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► the book that we don't get up POV from I [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► think they're out of the kids what do we [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► get Rob I can't remember i feel like we [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► often brother no I don't think we get [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► rather actually but all the rest of them [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you know Sansa area [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► John brand we get we get we see through [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► their eyes [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► well let's talk about Rob Rob in the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► book is younger and HTM up because a lot [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► of this stuff sort of you know showing [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► 14 year olds going off to war isthmus as [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► a it i think it's a good decision and I [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► thought that Rob actually came across [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► being a much more interesting and like s [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► character in the in the in the show [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► right he's very bland in the books right [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► mhm i agree i think I I felt much more [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► sympathy for him as portrayed on screen [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► than I did when the books where it comes [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► across more if they well my dad's not [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► here I guess I got to be the man of the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► house you know he didn't he felt very [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► bland especially when you put him up [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► against John who is considered you know [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► who has considerably more depth to him [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► or at least more x well when they only [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► when they begin chanting the king of the [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► north the king of the north right you [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► actually can come see how he's won this [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► victory and he and he very clearly had [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► the good idea and why all these guys who [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► are his father's Bannerman would pledge [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► they're basically allegiance to [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► following the Civil War it it feels that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► much more realistic than I I sort of [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► felt in the book where I thought the [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► scene Matthew where you and I don't [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► remember if this is in the book enough [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► of the scene where he deals to with the [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► his father's death where Caitlin goes [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► out and finds him [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► oh yeah you know whacking on the tree [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► with that sword I don't know that it [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► like I thought that was actually an [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► affecting seen I thought catlin didn't [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► get as many scenes as I expected her to [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► get in the first season of of the TV [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► shows that you know III she's such a [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► memorable character for me and and yet [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► you know she doesn't have a lot she goes [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► to the area her sister's crazy you know [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► she takes Jamie hostage [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► she goes you know she goes back to see [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► her son yeah you know I thought the [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► actress was good but it was kind of [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► disappointing that you just have more to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► do [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► she came unanchored once Ned separated [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► from her if I like in races the two of [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► them together you saw how they worked as [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► a unit and then they got separated and [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► she did a little bit of crazy initiative [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► thing stealing Tyrion on her own but [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► then after that she was kind of on more [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► than just floating around and then she [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► reconnected with her son and that kind [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► of they joined back together as a unit [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► but on her own [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► I cheap as a free agent in this series [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► she seemed like she was kinda rattling [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► yes she's mostly an observer the only [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► time I remember her really being the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► active protagonist of a subplot is with [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► Tyrion and that got shortened a lot for [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► the series i was thinking about earlier [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► we need to be talked a little bit in [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► there in our book podcast about this but [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► I still speaking as only read the book I [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► anytime you knew what was going to [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► because anytime somebody was like don't [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► worry we'll talk about this next time i [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► see you and you're just like oh god no [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► you're never gonna see them again so [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► there's that painful scene where Ned [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► talk to Jon Snow and he says I'll [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► explain about your mother when we next [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► meet [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► I laughed out loud at sea not gonna [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► happen felt really bad though and they [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► help them together with a dozen Benjamin [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► say that before rides off beyond the [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► wall [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah we'll talk about this later [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► we'll talk about this later [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that's usually a bad sign yeah he's not [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► coming back so and so let's talk about [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► the wall right so the wall [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► first off I thought the way they [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► portrayed it was really you know they [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► showed the wall right which is this part [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► concept in the book its enormous and [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► it's kind of an impossible thing and how [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► could you ever show it and and you know [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► by golly there's a gigantic wall there [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► it is a great wall that's a great ice [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► it's alright alright I seem better about [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► such a such a unique set i like i like [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► the elevator [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► I like the elevator that they go up in [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the tunnel the way they portray the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► tunnel going through it [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► I don't know it's it feels it feels [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► realistic although maybe a little bit [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► like like he walks built it that [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► elevator is operated by one guy pushing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► a stick [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► they can't put a donkey on the head or [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► something it's called mechanical [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► advantage of cold air discovered it in [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► this world monkeys it reminded me of the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► the elevator from the wise man's fear [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► speaking of the book and they had a big [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► walleye get going up and down with the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► universe car and stuff like that [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► alright similarly not impractical [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► elevator technology that just [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► miraculously works [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► apparently they have they have steps but [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► you know take they don't some people are [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► likely i like the I think they did a [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► great job with characterizing the other [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► inhabitants of the other members of the [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► Night Watch especially John's circle of [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► friends though they don't get a lot of [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► time they get you get an idea of how [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► important they are especially in that [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► last episode where he wants to write off [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► and go join Rob and they're the ones who [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► drawn drawn back [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► i I really I kind of enjoyed them and I [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► enjoyed the old bear who i think it was [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► again well cast as the as the Lord [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► Commander and you kind of that whole [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► relationship there right it's very it's [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► a very interesting because he's very you [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► he's kind of set apart from the rest of [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► them because even though he's a bastard [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► he's you know the son of Lord you know [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► they've got that all that that that [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► tension between him and the guy was like [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► the arms training even though like John [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► clearly knows what he's doing and I [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► don't know I I enjoyed the scenes at the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► wall and a weight given that they're [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► disconnected like like that money was [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► saying about you know the across the sea [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► stuff being like I I guess get through [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► that I mean I feel confident you know [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► separately even though this is also sort [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► of removed from the main intrigue it [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► plays in a little more and it still held [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► my interest in a way that the narrow [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► across the Narrow Sea stuff did not the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► whole concept of the Nights Watch is the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► place where as we said earlier the dregs [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► of the of the culture get get dropped i [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► think it's interesting to be you have [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► these younger characters who gets it [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► there for various things that are you [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► know they're not hardened criminals they [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► they are bastards or unwanted war damn [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► Gamgee [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► yeah and Sam Carly Carly is totally [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► Samwell in that Samwise said yeah maybe [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► possibly right and so they're the ones [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► who they're the ones who we come to like [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► because they they're not the the dregs [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► of the culture they're just down there [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► lock or made a bad choice and and now [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► here they are and Sam's a great [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► character so great they you know took [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► him from Tolkien and ran random [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► read/write back in Jon Snow is my [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► favorite I think character in the books [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► and so I thought I thought he was I [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► thought that he was handled pretty well [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► and sort of appropriately not getting it [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► at several points like when he's made [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► named the steward for the Lord Commander [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and is all upset about it before his [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► friend says dude you're being groomed [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► right you you know that right [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► no he's not that smart little people on [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► the show can do with some grooming haha [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► yeah comb anyone either he's still too [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► he still a little bit too too pretty [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► his hairs all it's still human Rob both [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► a little bit to get too pretty [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► it's the windswept North it makes their [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► their hair their just naturally curly ok [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► also so John did you get that the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► commander of the night's watch at the [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► wall is the father of terraces night who [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► helps her out and prevents her from [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► being poisoned [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I not get that from the show what I was [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► going to mention those speaking of the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the guys in the armor basically the big [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► man armor you've got Jamie you've got [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the captain of the Kingsguard who fails [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► to protect the king from the boar you've [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► got the guy at the the the Nights Watch [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► the head of the Nights Watch guy all [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► those actors and whoever designed the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► armor did such a good job because those [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► guys look like old-timey regimented [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► military men who are completely [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► comfortable in the armor and look larger [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► than life and 32 entirely different sets [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► of armor three entirely different [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► characters but I thought that the design [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► of those people those are possibly the [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► best traditional-looking nights I've [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► ever seen I didn't look like a bunch of [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► people wearing awkward night armor and [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► they all look bigger than life maybe [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► because they are bigger than I don't [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► know how big these guys actually are but [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► they look big on the screen you know [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► they're like giant some and everyone [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► else look like boys especially you know [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► the other the stark boys and everything [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► will probably are big men in their own [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► when next to these other men looks like [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► boys you know that was a great bit of [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► casting great but have set design and [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► those characters like they've never had [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► probably need to say anything that is [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► needed to just walk onto into the room [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► and have a graph expression sir [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► peristeri like saturday i love i love [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► his last scene when they when they make [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► him retire [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► it's just like yeah you know what screw [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► you yeah [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► oh you're gonna get a castle no I was [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► hoping he would kill all those guys in [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► the room haha instead of just say it you [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► know that but I was like sure he's going [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► to go out swinging out I kill all these [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► guys he lives to fight another day [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► instead mr. baston understand the bolt [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► okay well so we would take our little [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► virtual tour of north of the wall there [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► like nothing i'm sure there's nothing [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► interesting north of the wall probably [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► not notice the wildlings or whatever [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► they call them you get that one who [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► becomes a character you have a couple of [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► wildlings yeah the chick from harry [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► potter with the same haircut [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► yeah they make a real effort to have her [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► look at scraggly as possible to cheek [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and she came around a little bit fast [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► for me in terms of they like your you [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► made me a prisoner whatever and then [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► like I don't know I felt like there was [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► a little more time in the books [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► developing the relationship between her [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and brand before we go [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► like your body tried to kill me too i'm [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► gonna carry you around my shoulders like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► they're gonna trust this written this [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► girl just survivor though that's what I [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► got from our character and the thing was [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that that that red fine to me because [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► her whole like the whole existence is a [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► struggle for survival and she finds [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► herself a new situation she's not gonna [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► stubbornly cling to the way she used to [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► live just like well my buddies are dead [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► his where i am now going to make the [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► best of it she's a survivor social [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► immediately she has no particular [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► allegiance to anything except for the [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► ability to keep herself alive otherwise [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► she wouldn't have been a lot of the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► other side of the wall you know [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► well however was in the book I had no [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► problem following yeah we get that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► impression from her to from and we get a [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► couple mentions although very little [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► about Mance Rayder who become you know [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► was another character who comes in later [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► but like he meant he mentioned a couple [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► times as a throwaway one of the things [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► that i noticed beyond who is the ward / [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► hostage of dead but he's sort of like [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► been raised as one of the brothers he [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► goes to the village outside Winterfell [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► at two to do some explanatory dialogue [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► with a whore because that's what you [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► doing with zeros [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► yes as you do and and then there's [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► dialogue about the horror and he talked [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► to Jon Snow about her because she's a [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► redhead right and then and then she [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► declares that still see on she's bailing [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► out and she's going south and then like [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► she keeps she keeps showing up [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► it's like a running gag it's like there [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► are really only eight whores in Westeros [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► they have to move around [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► yeah you never you never seeing the a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► towards West it's an old drinking some I [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► felt bad for her cause she was [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► apparently the very best horror in [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► Winterfell but as soon as she got down [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► to King's Landing she has to get fake [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► orgasm training [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► yeah she's yeah i'm going to university [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► though she's going to choose its [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► advanced techniques [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► she's she's coming called up from the [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► minors it shows how backward those North [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► men are they really just clueless about [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► did dad people feel about I mean it's an [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► HBO show right now I mean how people [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► feel about the let the the sex position [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► or the sex in general don't watch this [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► show on a plane [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► you and I had that one I want that one [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► episode where we're little fingers is [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► teaching and coaching them in and [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► expounding on his old history and why [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► he's so great in everything sitting on a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► planet like I like putting that window [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► behind a bunch of other windows so i can [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► still listen to the dialogue me like [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► right isn't over yet but i really want [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► to watch the show [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► yeah this is not that kind of show [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► whatever it was it's it's strange as [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► somebody trained with you know current [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► standard commercial TV you get to those [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► scenes and you're like all right okay [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► but i mean it's it's it's it's you know [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► the book is not does not shy away from [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the dome doesn't obviously United the [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► books are pretty graphic but they did [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► use those scenes for other things right [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► that the scenes generally will inform us [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► about character or explain something [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► about the world [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► yeah i was gonna have the scenes were [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► not very erotic they were all because [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► they were talking or doing some sort of [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► plot point or it was like a rape scene [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► or something like that they weren't love [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► scenes you know so even though there was [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► lots of nudity was mostly it was about [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► is off-putting as the violence you know [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► and matched up with that more or less [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► people being X people having their [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► bodies exploited people being attacked [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► with swords all kind of a piece [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► alright it was likely the only love [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► seeing that is like maybe Ned and his [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► wife in bed before he was going off to [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► King's Landing and all the only actual [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► relationship where there was any [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► affection mutual affection you know I [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► know they did it just lay there drug [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► engineers had a really emotional sex [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► scene at one point I guess so but it's [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► kind of like their relationship is [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► founded on i'm not i'm not a solid [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► foundation lets her on her being sold [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► yeah you can see it and I assume that [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► you know she figures out how to be a [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► wife to this strange mostly evil guy and [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► I'm assuming she's flour into a strange [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► somewhat Evil Queen dragon woman things [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► so she's not what I wasn't really yeah [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► that's the name of the second book to [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the acclaimed director moment thing [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► yeah the best one really you don't want [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► to read the one after that because like [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► Marty said halfway through really how [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► long is this book I think that'll be two [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► seasons if they get to that I think [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► they've already confirmed that there [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► will be two seasons me and will be two [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► seasons but then i'm a little worried [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► about her [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► all these kids are gonna be once they [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► get to where the books are now like are [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► you can't keep passing as a boy i'm a [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► little worried that george RR martin if [TS]