The Incomparable

00:00:07 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► number 49 [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► August 2011 we're back on the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I am Jason Snelling [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► your host and today we're going to be [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► talking about pixar the movie studio [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► that is now part of disney has made a [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► some fantastic animated features over [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► the years in fact some might say they've [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► never made a bad feature and then some [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► of us haven't seen cars to yet so we [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► just don't know [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► joining me today to talk about pixar are [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► Steve let's hi Steve good day to user [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► good day and John siracusa good evening [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► good evening John on your other other [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► podcast your personal podcast called [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► hypercritical i know there was a section [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► of that of a previous episode where you [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► talked a little bit about about pixar so [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► in some ways we're just following up [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► from out there like the brother from [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► another podcast here that doesn't rhyme [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► and it doesn't so seriously i talked [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► about pixar sort of having this kind of [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► legend of having never made a bad movie [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► and I believe cars 2 is the lowest [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► scoring on the on the tomatometer at [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► last check i think it was a 30 / seven [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► thirty-seven percent positive score [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► which is pretty bad i haven't seen it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that seems almost like backlash low to [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► me i mean i have not seen cars to yet [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► but my wife and kids went outside and [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► they all seem to enjoy it and am i [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► strong suspicion is that the reason that [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► they get down to 3735 on on the [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► tomatometer is that critics have been [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► sitting around just waiting for a lesson [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► subline pixar film finally they could [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► take a tragedy and the backlash begins [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► yes so grand form up until curse to [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► which is in which is in debate you know [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that that's the 12th feature by pixar [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► the first 11 almost universally liked so [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► I thought rather than taking a stroll [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► from from toy story in 1995 through [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► courage to we would do something a [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► little bit more free form and kind of [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► alternate among the three of us and and [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► pick out some movies that we [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► particularly liked or disliked from [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► Pixar and talk about them in turn [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► so with that I think we'll start with [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Steve let's do you have a particular [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► favorite pixar film that you'd like to [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► talk about first [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► well for me at the moment is a tie and [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it is only a time because i just watched [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► up for the first time two nights ago and [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► very quickly that became perhaps my [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► favorite pixar films without you the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► first pic and me pixar film draft is is [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► up in the yes that's that would be [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► except i'm i'm still not certain that it [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► quite matches the incredibles for me [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► which would be Mike my other pic want to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► go with up just a spoiler alert somebody [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► else will pick the incredibles so how I [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► figured I figured that would probably [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► happen that the reason I'm not sure at [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► this point is because I the the [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► afterglow has yet to fade on up which I [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► thought was frankly just magnificent [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► from stem to stern that you know that's [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► the movie that's famous for the fact [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that it has that long dialogue less [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► scene between the husband and the wife [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yeah essentially makes everybody turns [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► everybody into just weeping minis well [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► yeah and the first thing yeah it's it's [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► roughly the first 11 minutes of the film [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► and it chronicles a young Carl [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► frederickson's early meeting with his [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► future wife and then of course it you [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► know we see various snippets of their [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► their married life and and then the the [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► end of the line for the wife and and [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► then we of course see Carl and alone and [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► and sad holding the blue balloon that he [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► previously had in his youth and they're [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► just all these lovely parallels from his [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► youth to to the 22 the the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► september-october years and for [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► shadowing alert by the way involving a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► balloon [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► I've been in a way the pathos of that [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► scene is just so perfect me to hit the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► notes so so perfectly [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► you know between the bits where you know [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► we discovered they can't have children [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► and then they keep going back to this [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► dream they have of being at Paradise [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► Falls and it is they're all these little [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► details like there's a scene where I [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► think Carly's leaving for the day to go [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► to work and and there's a newspaper [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► clipping in the window that says like [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► local zoo employee rescues endangered [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► species or something and it's about it's [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► about the wife but it's it's just this [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► tiny little detail that you never it [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► never comes up again but you know it's [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► just it's one of those things that just [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► makes the thing works so perfectly so a [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► lot of people when i talk about they're [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► like oh that's a movie that makes you [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► cry and in fact it's totally true that's [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the movie that starts out with the story [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► of their life and it makes you cry but [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► then it turns into actually kind of a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► zany retro adventure story you're right [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► and it's an interesting contrast because [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► some of the humor and in pixar films can [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► be more subtle whereas in up the humor [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► is almost all this very broad physical [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► comedy and and wackiness talking dogs [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► such and talking dogs and it's it's such [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► a stark contrast to the the emotional [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► sections of the segments of the film and [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► there's another obviously that first 11 [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► minutes and then again towards the end [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► of the film [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► Carl kind of has come to Jesus moment [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► where you know he breaks out of his [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► depression about his wife and decides to [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► have new adventures and and that those [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► are kind of book ends and then in the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► middle there's just all this you know [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► whacky bird and dog shenanigans and and [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► a whole bunch of stuff that requires [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► vast suspension of disbelief I'm is kind [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► of weird just juxtaposition and i'm not [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► sure how I'm going to feel about it in a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► week or two after I've thought a little [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► bit longer about you know about the film [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► and I'm also not sure that that that [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► it's a film that I'm gonna want to [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► revisit a lot just because so much of [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► what's good about it is is the emotional [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and the emotional moments and the kind [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► of pathos and in and sadness and where [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► it whereas incredible you know you go [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► you come for the the great action scenes [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► and the the kind of cool fairly suddenly [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► done message [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► with up your therefore the emotions and [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► i'm not just not sure that that's [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► something I'm gonna watch over and over [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► again you know now I it's interesting [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► because it's so notable and it is so [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► touching but I watched it again after [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► probably a year or so having not seen it [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► and was actually surprised because i was [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► reminded oh yes after that happens [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► there's a whole movie that's kind of got [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► this wacky adventure with the talking [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► dog which is you know there's a pretty [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► funny bit no crazy giant bird and and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► it's actually pretty good but you lose [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► I think you lose sight of it because of [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► that of that scene in the beginning and [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► just how notable it is and just how sad [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► it is that it's really easy it's what [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► kind of hard to get past it to the rest [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► of the movie even though the rest of the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► movie is good and it's good to their [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► just you know it's like the look the [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► cloud thats hanging over the beginning [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► of the movie and it's hard to remember [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► anything else about it [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► yeah i definitely agree with that i mean [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► it's it it and I think a lot of its just [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► because that that emotional stuff is [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► just so superbly done i think you'd be [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► hard-pressed to to match it and and I i [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► will be surprised if pixar ever does [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► match that level of emotional resonance [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► in in any of their films although sense [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► probably about I think toy story 2 was [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► really where they started always [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► inserting something that would depress [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► the hell out of here [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► oh yeah everything and they're they're [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► excellent at it I'm sorry too and toys [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► story three both have moments that are [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► that are very much in the same vein but [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► i think that was probably the pinnacle [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► of tha the tear-jerking moments and i [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► find it hard to believe they'll ever [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► deliver match that pinnacle also it is [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► it's so well done in up they didn't need [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► to use a Sarah McLachlan song to do it [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► right for randy newman and sarah [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► mclachlan right that they didn't need to [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► squeeze it out of that way they just got [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► Michael chiquinho and i read an [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► interview with him where he basically [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► said that he felt like don't hit the [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► pressure for the movie to succeed was [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► entirely on him because he has for that [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► entire thing and if he didn't do it [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► right the whole movie doesn't come off [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► so but yet and it's amazing [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► yes it's marvelous and it's something [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► that you don't notice the first time [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► through me you you notice it's this nice [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► sort of catchy toe-tapping score but but [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► that actually [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► since since i'm a sucker for the model [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► and I got after seeing the first 11 [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► minutes i went back and revisited it [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► twice before you finish the rest of the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► film because i was so impressed by it [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► and not on subsequent watches that the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► thing that really came to the fore was [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► held brilliant that score was and how [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► how unobtrusive it is and yet how much [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► it really really adds you know without [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► getting in the way that BS 2 @ [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► excellently done work [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► yeah one of my favorite things about up [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► is that it references one of my favorite [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► books when I was a kid which is the [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► little house by Virginia Lee Burton [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► which is the story of a house that's out [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► in the countryside and it's built in the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► past out in the countryside and then [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► over time the city comes out throws up [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► around it and that it ends up in between [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► two skyscrapers and and at the end of [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► the legs very sad and it's all boarded [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► up and then and then they they they pick [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► it up and move it back out into the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► country and me and they refurbishments a [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► it's really actually had a touching kind [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► of somewhat model and story he had and [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► it's directly referencing up because the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► same thing happens to his house and then [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► his house flies away out of the middle [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► of the city where it where it ended up [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► I'm so i really love that about that you [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► know can't be anything but a reference [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► to the little house and it's great i i i [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► remember that book now that you mention [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► it but somehow didn't come to mind spent [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► so long since I've seen it yeah that's [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► that's very cool [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► I John any thoughts about up before we [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► move on and I do actually i was taking [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► some notes while you're talking about [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the opening sequence one of the things [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that comes to mind is whenever a Pixar [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► movie I think about what Pixar is doing [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that's that's different than what you [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► can do in a live-action movie because [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► pics are really is defined by at not so [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► much technology but the animation says [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► their animation on the studio and a lot [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► of the positive reaction i think for [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► Pixar is a there you know all this an [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► animated movie and older generation send [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► to dismiss them as frivolous or kids [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► movies but pixar doesn't accept those [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► limits and we'll try to do things [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that regular movies do it just happens [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► to be with animation and I think in the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► case of up and an opening sequence they [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► do with Pixar does a lot which is [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► something that's actually harder to do [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► in live action and what [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► but this was actually talking about a [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► little one up was a being reviewed in [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the mainstream media was like oh here's [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► a here's a movie that has an old person [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► as a main character and you don't see [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► that so much in live-action movies and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► especially not in kids live action [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► movies there's an old person in a kids [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it's like the scary old man who lives [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► next door or the grumpy grand par [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► whatever but the kid is clearly you know [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► they always have it any sort of young [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► adult or child thing as a kid of a [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► comparably just as the clear main [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► character and the adults are in the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► background or its cocoon and it's all of [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► the above [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► yeah right and it at that and that [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that's actually one of the better [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► examples of open and it was it was [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► hailed at the time i think is as being a [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► shocker because it featured old people [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► so yeah I think that's the only with [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► time before up that I can think of one [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► that was true except maybe for the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► grumpy old men of the world which were [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► which were more lampooning the old [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► philately if if you think about Kuno or [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► cocoon or I don't think of another [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► example is a couple of other ones out [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► there where the theme of the movie is [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► old people versus this movie where the [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► theme is not old people [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► the theme is you know there are other [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► themes been one of the characters [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► happens to be an old person yes he has a [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► loss but he could have just as easily [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► been younger and has lost his wife at an [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► earlier age and not be no like it's not [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► about being old rice cocoon is so [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► central on your you're getting to the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► point where you're going to die you're [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► with a bunch of old people you know so [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► so this was a different in and respect [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that it happened to be an old person [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► starts like a movie starring a gay [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► person versus a movie about being gay [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► you know what I mean when I crossing [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► that threshold and put them but the main [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► thing that struck me is that if you try [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► to do that opening sequence in [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► live-action show the same thing show a [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► little kid he meets the girl grew up [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► there they're married they get older [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► they're a nice you know that just do the [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► whole thing shop for shopping with [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► actual old people and then have that old [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► person be in the movie throughout the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► rest of the thing I think it's harder to [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► make [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► a movie with an older person that [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► audiences and especially children will [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► relate to in the same way simply because [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► old people are not as attractive as [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► young people and when you see old people [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► in a in a live-action movie they always [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► want to show you the old person is the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► framing device and step your back to [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► when he was brad pitt and the most of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the movies with the old guys brad pitt [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► and you're looking like all that all guy [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► used to be Brad Pitt but you spend most [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► of your movie yeah it would you spend [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► most of your movie looking at brad pitt [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► and yet you related back to the person [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► but they don't have the bravery to have [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► you know the guy jumping off blimps [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► flying planes you know rescuing the kid [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► like no one wants to see that old guy [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► but in animation you can show an old [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► person is also cute and adorable like [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► but if you look at his face they [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► basically smooth out the wrinkles he's [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► not he doesn't look so much like an [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► actual person that it reminds us of our [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► own mortality or is is unattractive [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► whatever he fits in as a character in [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► animation looks a little like the heat [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► miser now that i think about it [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► yeah a lot you know I claymation or [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► smart and he's really a caricature of an [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► old person but it's it's somehow not is [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► off-putting seen as an actual old person [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► on film and I don't always thought that [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► was interesting because I thought I [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► think you did this opening scene with [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► live-action it wouldn't work as well it [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► will be more difficult to get it to work [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► for that same reason that you know [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► people think it's gonna be like ages 20 [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► people are always just a fact of life [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► you know that we can less attractive as [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► we get older you know that whatever you [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► want to say about old men being [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► distinguished or whatever it's just not [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► the same as looking at Brad Pitt but [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► when you look at Carl he's he looks just [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► fine because he's an animated character [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► you know right and I certainly couldn't [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► do this the scenes where in live-action [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► where Carl is jumping off a blimp or [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► dragging the house on his own you know [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► you wouldn't believe it because he had [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► such as awful as it is but because it's [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► animated you can just about forgiving [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► you know you also have the the technical [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► issues of showing somebody at various [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► ages means you have to cast people who [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► sort of look like them at various ages [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► right yeah which is continuity you can [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► just totally blow past that and I it's [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► funny though that you say he you know [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► usually they're there the grumpy old man [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► of the scary neighbor in many ways [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that's exactly what this movie is [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► playing against is that he is the grumpy [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► old man who's the scary neighbor but [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► that makes to explain why right and it's [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► from his viewpoint and not from the [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► viewpoint of the kid even they have [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► ask the kids which is really great slip [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► yeah the kid comes to his door [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► we don't follow the kid and then that up [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► seeing the kid growing up for the grumpy [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► old man how something scary's the other [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► way around we are with the old man we [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► have been able to pick it and then the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► kid comes to the door he's the is the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► intruder or the scary one of the strange [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► thing I kind of disagree that it's not [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► about being old [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► I mean it's less about being old [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► certainly than cocoon a grumpy old man [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► or something that's that's more or less [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► exclusively about being old but it in a [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► way I think it's exactly about being all [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that mean where we have the the whole [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► sequence where r posteli passing away [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► he's coming down the stairs slowly and [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► grumpily in his chair and he's he's [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► doing all these very stereotypically old [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► things it's it's it's almost his the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► whole journey is almost his discovery [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that being old doesn't mean you have to [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► be a grumpy crusty old bastard you know [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► what the John's point it could also be [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► about getting over Los right i mean but [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► you could you could say that he was [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► younger and lost his wife and I decided [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► to close themselves off from the world [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► maybe it's more resonant because he's [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► old because rather people close [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► themselves off from the world all the [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► time but it could have you know they [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► could have told that story and have him [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► be young and closed off as like you've [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► got something to live for right could [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► still be the message but it i think it's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► intensified by the fact that he did you [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► know he's old and he could have every [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► reason to just give up and stop living [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► more than a winner would it's not so [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► much about his mortality that's exactly [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► what i was going to say is that if he [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► was if he was 14 lost his wife you tell [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► the exact same story he's not a he isn't [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► mortality is not looming over and he's [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► like he's now I call the end of my road [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► is coming he's lost the will to live [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► because he lost his wife and that same [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► exact thing would happen if they were 50 [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► because he feels that he didn't get to [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► do all the things you wanted to do with [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► his wife when she was alive and that [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► would have been true no matter when she [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► died they cut out that scene at the end [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► of the at the end of the musical montage [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► where he wears doctor tells him he has [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► six months to live [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► just totally change the movie but it's [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► your prostate Carl yeah and and there's [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► naughty i mean again cooling the whole [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► thing is like it you can do things now [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► that you couldn't do when you're old and [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► obviously this movie is not bound by [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that at all he goes off those crazy [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► one more point up even though we will [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► soon talk about inevitably an actual [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► pg-rated movie I thought up had the most [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► PG or possibly pg-13 moment in any Pixar [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► movie i can either one of you guess [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► which moment i'm going to site now [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► hmm so so maybe this was just me anyway [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► it was a short moment but I it jumped [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► out at me as even more out of place not [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► not so much out of place but he even [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► more jarring in the opening sequence is [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► where he clocks the galleria and is his [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► forehead bleeds [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► yeah exactly so it's a moment of adult [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► anger you know displaced anger but still [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► anger at someone who isn't an enemy and [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► you know sort of the same way with you [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► get angry you realize that what must you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► become injuring someone who is not like [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► odo like it's not comical cartoon [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► violence is actual violence and they [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► show blood so I mean even if they didn't [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► show blood I feel like you never see [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► that kind of non-superhero non cartoon [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► against an innocent person by the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► protagonist who is angry for no good [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► reason you know displaced anger from [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► other issues hurting somebody and then [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► the blood on top of it that right i eat [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► the movie is rated G but that moment [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► like cheese this is gonna be so you come [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► off that that montage we like our kids [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► don't understand because they haven't [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► lived a life they don't understand that [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the deep you know emotional impact of [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► this segment about living a life with [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► someone haven't I blah blah but [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► certainly the understand hurting someone [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► even if they understand that it wasn't [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► you know that they understand this guy [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► is not an enemy or not a comical enemy [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► and and our hero they were with hurt [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► this person out of anger that really [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► stood out to me it is intense and in the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► first thing that I thought when I saw [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that was was wow he drew blood with a [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► tennis ball he must really like him [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► I mean he must have really been pissed [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► so you're right i think that's that's [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► what you think it's it handles in my [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► serious rage really whacked him so like [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► I've been trying to decide you know this [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► ended up a couple times like does that [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► does that add to the movie or is that a [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► place i think i still think it adds to [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► the movie because if we ever do a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► podcast about children's movies I'll [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► probably talk about the fact that it [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► children's movies you want to have [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► something in them that challenges [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► children [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and emotionally just a little bit you [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► know that sort of how they grow you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► don't want to be overwhelming but you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► want to be a little something so i think [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► the opening scene was probably mostly [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► lost on in very young children who [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► aren't that empathetic and don't [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► understand you know the adult lives in [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► relationships but i think especially the [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► little spark of blood that you get their [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► kids know about you know when the red [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► stuff comes out as a bad and and the the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► scene is not played for laughs and it's [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► not cartoon violence and it's over very [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► quickly move on quickly under the next [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► thing of this guy that you're following [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► I think that moment adds the movie [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► doesn't take away I'm and it's good that [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► they didn't you know it's good that it's [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► a short moment but i'm very glad that [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► there no I definitely think it adds both [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► for that reason and because it's it [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► really speaks in a very simple way to to [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► just exactly how depressed and and lost [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► Carl is without Elly that he would he [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► would go to that because all we've seen [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► up to that point is just shots of them [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► being happy-go-lucky and you know [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► picking up on the hill and and the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► juxtaposition of him you know flying [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► into a rage and cracking the guy over [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► the skull with his cane is it really [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► strong [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► not to mention of course you need you [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► need something to get him to to be in [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► fear for his house in order to move the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► story forward but yeah I think that's [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► definitely a positive and that's all so [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► much better than I mean they did a [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► stereotypical things to the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► stereotypical things are going away Kid [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► I'm grumpy because my you know [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► expressing is our clothes off in the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► world i don't like kids are happy things [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► Bob that's the stereotypical thing but [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► the more realistic manifestation is him [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► doing crazy out-of-character things you [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know in terms of getting violent which [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► is not something that you would have [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► done his normal life and as much it's [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► much stronger statement that him just [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► being grumpy around kids because you've [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► seen so many old people be grumpy around [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► kids you always know all you know he's [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► really a nice guy at heart of this [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► here's here's someone doing something [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► it's unflattering that someone something [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► that you wouldn't want someone else it's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► not endearing or adorable people [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► grumpiness type stuff you know i'm just [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► going to say that when we started this [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► podcast i had some concern whether we [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► would be able to fill an entire podcast [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► talking about pixar and it turns out we [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► could fill half a podcast talking about [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► one Pixar movie [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► we could probably go the rest of the way [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► without but we should probably move on [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► yeah I mean I think it's great make it [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► shows the depth of these of these films [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► that we could devote that much time to [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► it let's move on to johns johns pick in [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► this pixar draft I i assume John that [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► you are you come to speak a little more [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► about the incredibles yes it's my [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► favorite is your favorite too and is its [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► everybody's favorite i believe i said in [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► our superhero movie podcast it's my [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► favorite superhero movie period so yeah [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► yeah I don't know I'd have to think [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► about that more to make a decision but [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► it's it's my clear favorite Pixar movie [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► and I didn't think that after i saw it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► like what I guess I was a bigger fan of [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► for example Toy Story 2 or or you know I [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► maybe finding nemo like it when i saw [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► that Michael is another good Pixar movie [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► but over time it has grown to overshadow [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► all the other pixar movies [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► perhaps as I've seen each one of them [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► eight million times as my children [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► watching them it gives me a pretty solid [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► view of the the the repertoire Pixar and [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► incredible stands above them I was [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► trying to think of the reasons why I the [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► first thing is that i think it is it [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► still the only PG rated one I think so [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► it was the was the first PG rated and [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► despite the pd moment we just talked [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► about from up the fact that it's PG [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► rated gives it a leg up when you're [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► asking an adult which is your favorite [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► movie because you are constrained by [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► rated g movies and sentiment song i [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► really do like Reggie movies on my [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► favorite movies ever rated movies will [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► talk about in the kids podcast I'm sure [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► someday [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► yes but being PG freeze you a little bit [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► and that the next thing is that it's a [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► superhero movie and I like superhero [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► movies and so and that's a topic that PG [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► rating lends itself to zero just a [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► little bit less constrained about you [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► know on the things that superheroes tend [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► to do i and all the reasons you like a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► superhero movie and also Pixar is not [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► doing a straight-up super they never [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► almost never do anything straight up [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► whenever Pixar's doing anything it's [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► always possible is the animation angle [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► you always expect was going to Pixar [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► movie about X they're going to [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► examine the absurdities of exorbitant [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► all monsters inc the whole movie is [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► about your monsters of scary things [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► monsters in your closet but they have an [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► absurd angle on the monsters where it's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► their job and stuff like that and and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► toys you know it's gonna be lots of in [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► jokes about toys and stuff like that [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► well superheros they're not gonna do [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► Batman Begins animated or anything even [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► close to that or even just you know [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► Superman one animated version it's not [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► going to be a superhero story it's going [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► to do all the little in jokes and [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► references and funny absurd things about [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► superheroes but the great thing about [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► incredibles visible is also in its own [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► right as Jason pointed out a great [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► superhero movie while also making fun of [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► Superman that balances incredibly hard [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► because you don't want to be like the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► greatest american hero or some other you [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► know scary movie type parody of a [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► superhero movie because that I mean I [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► guess you can do that but it's not pixar [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► style it has a both ways it gets to poke [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► fun at superheroes and the the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► conventions of superheroes while also [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► conforming to the mall and using them to [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► make a great superhero movie i'm and and [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► on top of that it's kind of a unique [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► take on superhero store it's not they [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► they decided to have their own twist you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► know they have their own rules about I [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► guess that's kind of a Malcolm [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► everything is out there but you know the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► no capes angle the heroes who were loved [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► by society than shunned by them as kind [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► of a watchman angle like no capes was to [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► actually yeah it kind of the launch of [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► existing superhero things all push [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► together but it is kind of unique like [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► when I think about the superhero [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► universe is like and I can clearly [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► picture you know superman's universe and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► Batman's universe [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► well I don't know what their pc rebooted [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► anyway it's a but what I can picture the [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► incredible universe [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► they've made their own thing even if it [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► is a derivative arm and the other thing [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► in its favor is that [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it speaks to suburban white males with [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► families so obviously if you got a bunch [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► of suburban white males with families [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► together who like superheroes and like [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► superhero movies not have a movie where [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► the main character has a family and he's [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► got all this type of things that you [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► know it's it's a such a clear map of [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► like when you're older and thinking back [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► to your younger days now you have [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► responsibilities and your job as I'm [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► feeling it's a slam-dunk I'm just like [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► everything matic front for geeks like us [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► to remove and execute on all of them so [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► well I cannot speak for yourself and I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► you pretty much got me pegged [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► yeah and and you know everything about [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► it like the message is not drilled into [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you it's suddenly you know like I don't [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► know maybe they could come outside a [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► little bit like yeah that that's the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► best thing for that for the incredibles [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► for me by far just piping in for a [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► second is is the fact that the message [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► is so strong and yet so subtle [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► yeah they don't bang your head with it [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► like for example the the second half of [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► Wally where it's just you know too [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► heavy-handed I pixar as hit-or-miss on [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► on the message from this one it's weave [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► through the the great thing about it is [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► that it's in such a great superhero [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► movie the messages we've throughout the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► story it is not delivered by exposition [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► or tacked onto another story about good [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► guys versus bad guys it is the story the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► story is you know it's so nicely [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► intertwined and it has some of my [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► favorite scenes I think we've talked [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► about in past podcast were just send up [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► some things like the i think i said this [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► for my favorite scene in the entire [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► movies when he arrives on the island [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► with the sort of James Bond type since [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► arriving in the autopilot thing that [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► stands up against any actual James Bond [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► sequence that it's that it's you know [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► playing off of yes it's just so so [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► amazing that he wanted parity is that [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► things that transcends the things that [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► it's parodying I this I just love this [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► movie I can cannot say enough good [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► things about it [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► yeah I one thing about a lot of these [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► pixar movies is that they take something [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► that is a you know they've got the kind [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► of adult thing that's of interest to [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► adults and then they've got the stuff [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► the kids like and I think in some ways [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► this is the best example of that because [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► the kids really don't get the midlife [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► crisis thing they just a and they just [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► don't get it at all it is so far [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► outside of the realm of your kid even [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► beginning to understand it I think [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and yet that is a big part of it but it [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► doesn't detract because from the kids [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► perspective you know my kids are much [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► more focused on on dash and file it and [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and syndrome and what he's gonna be [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► doing and then talking about you know [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► the fact that bob has got a sketchy new [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► car and this is is working out and isn't [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► saying to his wife where he's a where [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► he's going every day but that that plays [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► a apart and then the overarching theme [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► on top of everything else is really [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► about kind of daring to be during to be [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► exceptional and not fitting in with the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► crowd and you know that thats not only [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it well done but it's such a great [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► message to have in a movie so that yes I [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► get it checked checks all the boxes for [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► me to which of course it does [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► yeah they didn't want my favorite [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► speaking of things that kids don't like [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► to my favorite little sections of the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► movie that I guess you have to I guess [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► is more even I just family but marriage [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► angle haha the one scene where he's he's [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► on the phone with the secret agent type [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► thing in his wife is calling him before [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► she calling for dinner or something like [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► that right and the other one wife is [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► nobody calling me something be right [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► there be right there and the other one [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► with the that the wife is vacuuming by [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► herself in the house something that [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► stuck in the rollers everything that's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► just it they the images of what actual [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► suburban married life is like and even [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► just even just the often thing like what [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► that their voices name Frozone screaming [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► where his super suit advice and she [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► won't tell him we're interested why do [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► you want to know just tell me where it [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► is that is those type of little tiny [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► moments that you know it [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that's not what the movie is about but [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► it's just it rings so true and brings [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► you so much into this universe that [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► you're willing to buy all of the the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► other stuff and you talk about the kids [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► being excited superhero parts in the [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► kids with the kids are not the main [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► characters in the movie by a long shot [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► and get kids will watch it and think the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► kids are the main characters like it's [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► you know i mean it's it's such a it's [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► like three different movies in one [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► depending on who's watching it's [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► interesting i think of all the pixar [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► films that my kids have seen that's [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► probably the one that their least [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► interested in it just doesn't really it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► just hasn't really grabbed him and I [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► think part of it is because [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► as I that's probably the darkest of the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► pixar films in terms of you actually get [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► a sense that there's a possibility that [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► these characters might die and part of [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► that's why I probably because they're [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► human know what suppose it is it will [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► but it's rated PG and and there is that [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► moment that is I think I think in some [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► ways the best moment in the movie even [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► though it's just dialogue it's where [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► we're at last girl where Holly Hunter [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► tells the kids you know those Saturday [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► morning cartoons right [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► these people aren't like that if they [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► find you they will kill you should i go [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► mike lombardi right but what that is [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► it's so it really sets the stakes higher [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► and and so it is darker but at the same [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► time I a I i guess maybe this is a lot [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of what John said earlier so you gotta [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► their ways where you need to push the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► story and and challenge even the kids [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► when they're watching it i love that [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► moment and every time I i watch it with [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► my kids I look at them while they're [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► while they're watching it because that's [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► the moment where you know it inject some [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► real jeopardy [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► that wasn't there before and it works [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► but it is it is dark and it is a little [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► scary [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► then they have that I the most accurate [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► visual manifestation of the the mental [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► state of parenting after the jet [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► explodes when elastigirl wraps her [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► entire body around her two children to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► save them from the exploding plane which [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► is the thing that every parent wishes [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► they could do but can actually do [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► because it's impossible that you can you [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► could physically envelop your children [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► and save them from explosion you know [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► what I mean like that that one little [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► scene there it's it's a superhero seen [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► it's ridiculous and has no bearing on [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► reality with the same time if you are a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► parent and you watch that you're like [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► yes that's what I would do if I got it [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► you know i mean thats the in fact that [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► scene is the one that gets my wife to [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► tear up as the is where she with the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► she's a trying to save her kids on the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► plane and then she has to wrap around [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► them when the when the plane explodes [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it's because of the emotional weight [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► that it carries at 44 parents were [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► people understand parenting whereas the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► kids angle yeah like you said the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► previous one they got the speech about [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that these people will kill you you know [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► so in something for everybody and not [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► not buying anything over there but [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► right now it's great what can we say if [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► you don't like the incredibles there's [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► something wrong with you which would you [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► call it incredible [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► IES yes it would be just a recursive [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► incredible incredible incredibles this [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► forever about it if you don't like the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► incredibles you you can't be my friend [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► that's just what it comes down to yes [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► there's so my wife and I were talking [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► about this before i started recording [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► and I said I don't know what I'm gonna [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► do because after after the incredibles [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► there are a couple that may befall next [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► in line and one of one of them would be [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► toy story 2 but you know I think rather [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► than pick one of the toy stories in this [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► round I'm gonna go with monsters inc [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► very nice which it's a parenting thing [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► is it's it may be but it's early it you [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► know their fourth movie it it's got some [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► really interesting it's kind of [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► interesting look um you know the furry [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► monsters and all of that I love the [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► conceit that the doors are you know I [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► basically like teleportation devices and [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► it and they explore that conceit to its [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► absolute limit in a way that it could [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► have been very easy for it to just be a [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► one sort of thing well it's a portal but [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► it's like the doors and the doors go to [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► different places and you can fall [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► through in the action scene at the end [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► they're falling through doors into other [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► places and then back outdoors and you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► know they're 90 degree angles where [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► gravity shifts as they fall through the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► door its portal it is it is porthole [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► right but it's also kind of a play on [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► that classic hallway scene that used to [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► get in the wacky comedies and nobody [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► nowhere in the ring guy with yeah [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► exactly i would disappear into a door on [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► the left and then reappear in the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► foreground on the right [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► yeah so this is very cool so there's all [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► of that there's what what you we [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► mentioned earlier which is there's just [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► that nice pics are flip on it which is [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► that that monsters are just as scared of [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► the kids the kids are scared of the [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► monsters monsters are just trying to do [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► their jobs [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that I like there's the variations on [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the monster kind of body types and these [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► characters that you couldn't do in any [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► other way but an animation where there's [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► like you know the Billy Crystal's [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► character mike is is is an eye with legs [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► and then John Goodman's characters the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► big furry guy who's a big furry monster [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and it yet when you look at like the way [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► he's colored in his his colored kind of [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► interesting multicolored for with spots [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► you know at first glance in silhouette [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and the darkies scary but in the light [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► of day he's not scary at all and then [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► the whole mental level of us kids are [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► afraid of what's under the bed and [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► what's in the closet and and yet you [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► know we once you get to know that once [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► you take a little look further they're [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► just like you know the rest of us the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► monsters are people too [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► I can assist is it is what the messages [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► it's um you know it's a charming movie [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► even now all these years later I there's [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► just so many things that I like about [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► that movie including the fact that it's [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► got that emotional residents that Pixar [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► is always good at and it's got some [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► great action and you know the end of [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that movie where he's a piece the door [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► back together so that so we can go and [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► Cebu the little girl one last time you [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► know if we're talking about just me i'm [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► just imagining it seems that getcha it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► in my top five picks are T reducing [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► moments that you know that's pretty high [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► up on the list so you know monsters you [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► yeah is it a better movie then then Toy [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Story 2 or toy story 3 or finding nemo I [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► don't know it's so hard for me to pick [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► but they're things in it that I I [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► thought I still just look at really [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► fondly it and you know the the door [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► concede i think pushes it over the top [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► because they they use it in every they [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► squeeze every possible thing you could [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► squeeze out of a concept out of it which [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► when I was watching it I thought for the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► first time I thought well what about [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► this what about this [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► well they're not going to deal with its [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► just to get a get them through the door [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► to the Otherworld it's like The Lion the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► Witch and the Wardrobe there's a portal [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► and you go through it and that's it [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► oh no no we're going to explore every [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► single thing this could mean if there [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► were doors that were portals so [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► that's not one of the things that I like [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► about monsters egg and and I actually [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► probably would have gone with you on [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► that without being my third-favorite [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► although largely it was Pete's [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► specifically because of the whole scene [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► at the end there which actually I was [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► choking up with you talking about it [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► just now but I it's really the first of [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the pixar films where they could be [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► completely liberated from from any kind [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► of realistic constraints mean the toys [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you know its toys but of course they're [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► they're living inside of Andy's house so [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► you know there's there's some kind of a [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► real-world constraint put on what the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► toys can reasonably do you know bugs are [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► bugs and they can only do bug things and [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► they can do some cool things they can he [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► get the cool perspective of the city [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► that's constructed of empty popcorn [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► boxes and so forth but monsters inc i [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► think is really the first film where [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► they were able to to put together a [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► completely unrealistic a cityscape they [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► were constrained at all by the the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► character designs as you mentioned every [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► monster is different i think they really [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► for the first time we're able to [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► completely go hog-wild and it with their [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► imaginations and just come up with the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► craziest things they could and I think [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► they did a bang-up job on that it also [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► monsters inc i think has probably my [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► favorite pixar running gag in the form [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► of George Sanderson who is the victim [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► the unwitting dupe who invariably gets [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► gets it sanitized every time [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► all right from the from the human and [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► rock thrown on him right he gets the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► sock on him he gets shaved down i think [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► two or three times it's it's it's a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► great sequence it's it's a would [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► certainly one of my favorites in terms [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► of just just pure humor in a running gag [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► form i think be at vita the adult angle [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► in this movie which I hadn't thought of [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► enjoyed it see it again recently is the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► blue-collar factory work the fact that [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► the monsters are going to work in a [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► factory and have a boss and have [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► hierarchy within work and have either [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you know satisfaction with their job or [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► you know where how is their working life [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► going something again the kids probably [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► can't relate to but any adult who has [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► ever had a job can relate to that [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► workplace like atmosphere atmosphere and [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► and their livelihood is threatened to [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► write that like the underpinnings of the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► industry areas in economic threat that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► unemployment is the threat and economics [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► unemployment and energy policy and that [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► you know it's just there it's in the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► background apartments for the adults so [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► we can relate to this insane world with [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► ridiculous creatures because they're [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► just you know they're collecting a check [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► and punching and punching out just what [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► you got in a conflict with the primary [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► villain is is primarily a a climbing up [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the corporate ladder cut a deal [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► yeah so you get a 2 it's like working [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► girl with monsters it no it's like [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► working girl haha wow I don't know what [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► I mean I don't even know Melanie [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► Griffith this lovely lady [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► yes yes yeah I everything is a billy [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► crystal at was cuz i don't know if he [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► was wasted in this movie I think he was [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► good in this movie but i think it was [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► early in Pixar's development that if [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► affects our had Billy Crystal now or if [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► they had billy crystal lattice prime now [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they could do even more with him he [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► carry entire movie himself because he [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► does sort of overshadow John Goodman and [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► he does it in that I would compare it to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► this is the light side the dark side is [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► robin williams in Aladdin right where I [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► he's talented but he overwhelms the [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► whole movie is about Robin Williams [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► Billy Crystal plays a character here you [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► know it's like crystal any he adds all [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► the value he can but he doesn't dominate [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► the movie or do so i think it's probably [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► mostly just has to do with the writing [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► but i would say this is a a good example [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► of of Robin Williams and an Aladdin and [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► the crystal i really think could carry [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► one of these movies himself without the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► John Goodman in angle i was actually [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► going to say that billy crystal is [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► probably the the worst part of the film [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► for me just because you know is [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► distracting [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► no he his it works for that because he's [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► got great lines and he delivers them [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► well but at the same time he's just [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► being Billy Crystal mean I don't I [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► there's not enough of the difference [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► between the character and the way [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► delivered his lines and the way Billy [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► Crystal just generally delivers his [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► stand-up lines and what what that does [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► to me is it brings it dangerously close [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► to the realm of the door [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► more film where you know you've got a [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► guy that's just allowed to drift in the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► same style that he always he always does [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► in stand-up or is his other acting gigs [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► or whatever that's Robin Williams in the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► Latin problem to exactly intelligent [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► drives me up the wall but i think it [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► avoids that because he has an actual [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► character arc he has he's not just the [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► wisecracking sidekick he has his own [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► problems and his own things that he's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► trying to get done he's not just there [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► to serve the needs of John Goodman he's [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► not just there to advance the plot he [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► has his girlfriend he has his own [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► concerns about his working life and [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► their relationship and eat [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► he's actually I mean I guess you could [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► say he was not so much reprising his [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► stand-up as like it's the guy from one [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► errant salad because he has relationship [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► issues and he's funny and wise cracking [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► I maybe you could you could fault them [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► for that it to me though it's like [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► watching Billy Crystal with a character [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► arc and 1i instead of watching a [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► character with the character arc and [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► Billy Crystal is also here here's the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► litmus test did you like one argument [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► Sally I did yeah I one of my favorite [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► movies of all time are actually just [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► making sure you're not just anti Billy [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► Graham and I like city slickers to in [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► which he plays Billy Crystal with a hat [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► are as taking it too far but that said [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► John there are parts of when harry met [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► sally where it's very clearly just Billy [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Crystal doing his stand up and they've [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► stuck it in the movie right but he's a [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► likable it is very likely never again if [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► I had billy crystal in my movie i would [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► say Billy whatever just go right just [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► make your jokes and we'll leave them in [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► because they're funny the Oscar hosting [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► thing want to see how him [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► we'll fix it at least he was doing his [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► stand up but his kids him as a person [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► you can imagine him in real life doing [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► that stick to because it's not his [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► stand-up is not alien to his personality [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► he's just like that and you know if he [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► was in a store picking up a pickle or [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► something he would do a little skit [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► about the pickle that he didn't write [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► beforehand was just the way he is you [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► know I want to see I want to see [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► pictures of next movie be a remake of [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► when harry met sally where billy crystal [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► is a giant green eyeball there you'll [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► finally get your pg-13 scene might even [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► put you two in our bball have with the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► pink monster is having I I'm kind of [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► disappointed that they cancel new [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► because it had you heard the plot [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► synopsis of Newt [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► I yes that is that a like a lab test low [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► animal who's paired with a with the last [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► surviving animal in the world and it's a [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► romantic comedy [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► yes basically like romantic comedy with [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► lizards and I would have been [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► interesting to see pics are do that [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► because the Lizardman lab angle would [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► have been good for you know skewering [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► scientific experiments and all those [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► types of things whatever but it's hard [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► it would be a romantic comedy and i [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► think that i would like to see a pixar [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► romantic comedy this is jon was a [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► have-not they have in mind yet [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► yeah that would be its kind of ashamed i [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► got can but I don't know Wally for the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► first the first the first act of Wally [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► could arguably be considered a romantic [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► comedy [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► yeah kind of in the night goes off the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► rails I i think i think that's true it [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► you could you could argue well it's it's [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► a Wally is in you know is a romance in a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► way that the other pixar movies aren't I [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► i want something you mentioned when you [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► mentioned problems in the lab and i want [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► to mention here that and you mentioned [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► DreamWorks one of the things that i love [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► about pixar movies and that I think is a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► grievous mistake of the dreamworks [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► movies is uh pixar movies exist in a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► timeless world their movies that are [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► designed a journalism professor who [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► worked at the New York Daily News and he [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► always said that the Daily News was [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► meant to be read by people living in New [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► York and that the New York Times was [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► meant to be used in reference library is [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► so that 20 years time people could find [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► out what life was like back then and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that's our sort of how I feel about [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► Pixar's like Pixar they build it to be [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► timeless they build it to be something [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► that you can watch with your kids in 20 [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► years 30 years whereas you know I showed [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► my kids aladdin and it's like yeah he's [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► doing like William F Buckley references [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► and it's just all Dangerfield so dated [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and and pixar seems to be kind of [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► brutally tough about just know we're not [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► going to do things that are going to be [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► non classic kind of references and I [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► love that about them because the end of [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► the shrek movies are not gonna they're [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► not going to age well at all rights [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► they're all about current popular [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► culture references and I think it's a [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► exact think it's a huge mistake to go [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► down that route [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► when you should I think pictures got it [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► exactly right which is you can't do that [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► you can't you gotta be timeless because [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► these are cute these are you're trying [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► to make a classic kids movie right [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► the last thing you want to do when [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► you're trying to make a classic kids [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► movie is make it so that nobody will [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► understand the references in 15 years [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► it's not so much that they age poorly [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► which they do but that it's a lazy way [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► to write even in the moment when they're [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► relevant they're not as funny as a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► genuinely funny written jokes sequence [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► voters are relying on the the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► familiarity with this thing to get you [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► out of having to write an actual gag [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► which is just lazy [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► it's lazy it can be funny but it is lazy [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and it completely sabotages I think the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► long life of your film and but you're [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► right it it's classier it's it's it's [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► better to go for the true joke [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► instead of the kind of topical reference [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► and pics are just doesn't do that and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► it's particularly bad in some of the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► cases you mentioned like a publicly [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► reference was dated 20 years before how [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► ya lad never came out and I actually [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► quite enjoyed shrek but i think is I was [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► watching shrek I could smell the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► freshness date coming up like within the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► next two weeks for half the jokes in the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► yeah i was thinking that this is some of [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► these jokes are tired and we're tired [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► decades it goes to the soundtracks to [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► right i mean fa the Pixar has a [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► smashmouth has no place in a classic [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► films are exactly right that that that [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that is what i was getting gap good well [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► well put it is that you want their [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► pictures really careful the center which [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► is not to say that they haven't done [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► some popular music there's some popular [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► music and cars but it's it you know they [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► have carefully chosen and not like let's [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► get a hit from the last three years it's [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► like let's get songs about cars and [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► we'll have you know have remade in a [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► certain style and you know it with the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► or they or they compose their own music [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► ready to get randy newman or somebody [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► else to write a song in the style they [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► want about their a topic and you know we [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► can quibble about randy newman because a [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► lot of people feel like every brand new [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► man song sounds the same [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► not everyone just half of them but you [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► know when their son by sarah mclachlan [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► strange that's right but pics are you [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► know again goes that extra mile to be [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► timeless and classic and it it [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► you know absolutely pays off compared to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► that that's why they are above the other [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► movies if this is not to say that there [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► are some other good animated and [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► computer animated features that have [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► been made sense toy story came out there [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► there are I I will defend you know [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► several of them but you know that's [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► usually a huge failing of them is [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► they're they're kind of cheap a pop [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► culture reference humor instead of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► trying to go for something that's going [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► to stand the test of time like animated [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► scary movie [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► yeah exactly would be good for live [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► action word world the only movies that [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► dare to do that are the scary movies you [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► never see like and even just a [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► run-of-the-mill well it's like the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► bottom of the barrel like it [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► live-action movie seemed much more [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► reticent to do the pop culture reference [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► i guess because those people have more [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► experience or the writers or you know [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► the rewriters just know you gotta cut [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► that out but in an animated movie like [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► yeah you want to make reference that go [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► ahead but my actually they do it because [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► they can get away with it [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► I mean they did they know their audience [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► and and in the case of the scary movie [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► films the first was actually pretty [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► decent and then they've they've followed [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► on with just the same stuff repeated [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► over and over again and that the pop [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► culture references get shorter timed and [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► less amusing right go on their made to [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► be doing what is this point they've got [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► exactly and they've got an audience [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that's happy to absorb that and and and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► eat the disposable film and get a kick [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► out of it and toss it away and i think [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the the DreamWorks hooks think their [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► audiences unsophisticated and they [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► pander to them basically right right [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► where they are they there they know that [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► they can get away with being lazy and [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► writing crap and they think that their [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► audiences that won't catch it because [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► they're kids and they're not supposed to [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► get enough i guess is where i was trying [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► to go with that for the last five and a [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► half men all our listeners uh who work [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► at DreamWorks have now heard their ipod [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► out of their car and run over a few [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► times and our unsubscribe that they've [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► they've greatly improved have to say [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► DreamWorks says yeah since since the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► early shrek days they'd certainly don't [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► do that as much as they used to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► megamind dreamworks and I thought that [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► was actually a really good movie with [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► but but I think they've learned some [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► lessons right or at least they they that [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► movie in particular is not as a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► pop-culture focus but it's still really [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► stunt [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► asked which is the other part of it [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► right is the casting right there are [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► stars in pixar movie stars voices but i [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► rarely feel like the the parts are stunt [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► cast now billy crystal and john goodman [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► actually is an example of one more stunt [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► casting but in the early days i think [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► they did more of that with you know [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► again done with a with Tom Hanks and and [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it on Helen and Tim Allen exactly but [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► like up is is Lou Grant right it's tents [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► and Asner but now you know [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► oh boy and adds a scary movie at last [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► her a nobody is saying that and it [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► because it's just not it's just not [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► relevant in cars or Wilson is in cars [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► but yeah and bonnie hunt and larry the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► cable guy right i mean they were cast [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► but they were cast because they're gonna [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► bring in the people and I think maybe [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► that's that's something that that pixar [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► does better than other studios to [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► because as much as I like love [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► megamind i am reminded that it is very [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► specifically will ferrell and Tina Fey [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► and actually will ferrell doesn't bother [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► me so much because that's an outlandish [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► character the tina fey kind of bothers [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► me because it's like she kind of looks [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► like Tina Fey and she kind of doesn't [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► and she sounds exactly like Tina Fey cuz [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► it's tina fey and it's like I felt like [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► two on the nose and not not the right [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► decision and I compared to something [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► into some extent I think that's a little [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► bit where Disney went wrong over the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► years where they gradually transition [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► from from having unknowns voicing their [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► characters to having increasingly famous [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► people it and you know for a while they [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► sort of teetered on the brink where they [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► had guys like Terry Thomas and and phil [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► harris who just had a big booming voices [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► but weren't necessarily known for their [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► personalities are there you know the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► film's they done or the TV shows they've [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► been on it and and now they've [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► completely made the transition into we [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► have a hooded the tangled who is waste [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► of that the girl entangled mandy moore [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and mandy moore right she's not so much [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► less relevant and she wants was and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► she's become an actor yet but it and but [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► but certainly I think private pinnacle [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► of that was the Robin Williams casting [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► but it's it's it's funny how much [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they're there the enjoyment of their [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► films for me kind of follows that exact [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► same sort of the path I was going to [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► cancers the low point oh dear lizzy low [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► point of stunt casting low point of make [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the same movie the Pixar is making it [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► much worse and and low point of [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► characters you know trying to make the [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► characters in the movie they want that I [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► think that Woody Allen and sylvester [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► stallone if i recall correctly and some [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► crazy combination of people and then you [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► had ants faces that look like Sylvester [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► Stallone's computerized head shoved on [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► aunt and Woody Allen it's just that was [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that was a real low [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► it's the best by bug's life looks so [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► good in retrospect you like but remember [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► hantsport bugs like my way better than [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that one again that's it that's a major [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► that's their second release in who were [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► the top lenders there it's dave foley [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► and david Hyde Pierce and Julia Louie [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► Dreyfus and me again pics are picking [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► kind of known actors good actors but not [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► for their star appeal and not just about [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► the seats [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► yeah yeah in fact the Brad Pitt is the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► superhero and megamind honestly it's [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► like totally irrelevant right that's [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► that's why that works in a way that it [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► doesn't if it's you know just it's eddie [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► murphy is a donkey [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► he's crazy it takes our hearts disguise [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► I don't disguise the voices like for [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► example when you mentioned a holly hunt [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► was in the incredibles I had never [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► realized that she was elastigirl yeah [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► until you mentioned it but now you say [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► like yeah it is hi I'm Craig neverson [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► whoo-hoo i know crazy Nelson is mr. [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► coach never coach would never think that [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► I see the characters in the movie and I [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► don't even think like I guess maybe they [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► don't have distinct voices or whatever [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► very rarely in a Pixar movie unless it's [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► really agree just like John Goodman I [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► mean you're and doing risky going to [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► pick them out but they also don't make [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► the mistake of trying to make that the [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► characters look a little bit like the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► voice actors which is something the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► disney started and it's got worse and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► worse over the years isn't used to be [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► obsessed with that they would show you [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► the little videos look we filmed him [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► doing his dialogue and then we make the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► face look exactly like his face well if [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► it that's not the character don't do [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► that right although they were when they [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► were doing for guys like Terry Thomas it [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► be [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► it was a funny joke you know but when [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► you've got guys [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that are better known just for piano [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► some cheap disposable entertainment and [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the whole joke is a look it's a it's [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► woody allen for instance you know it's [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► it's not funny anymore and it's [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► distracting and it completely removes [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► any ability of voice to become the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► characters voice as opposed to Woody [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► Allen's voice superimposed on top of an [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► animation and I don't think Woody Allen [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► was too into that either no it's not [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► given he's phoning it in there versus [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► when Matt very literally this is a good [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► comparison because even though Tom Hanks [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► is the a tapas top a-list triple-a like [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► that he was just coming off like to ask [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► Oscars I don't know if what the timeline [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► was there but he's he's at the top of [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► the thing you get the impression that he [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► didn't phone in woody and certainly not [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► in the second and third one you know [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► that he was actually acting for that [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► role in the way the Tom Hanks does you [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► yes absolutely alright work we have [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► talked so much and i know there's so [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► much more for us to talk about so we're [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► going to pause it [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► we're gonna end part 1 of this podcast [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► here and we're going to come back is it [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► okay will you guys come back for part [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► two next week [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► I can't wait that long well you're going [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► to have to John will you be back [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► situation will kill more do you refuse [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► to return I'll consider it right all [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► right well well they ponder i will thank [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► you for listening to part one of the [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► pics our podcast at the uncomfortable [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► this is jason Snell for John Syracuse [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► and Steve let's thanks for listening and [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► we'll see you next time [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► helpful skype volume level or will turn [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► me into a gigantic blown-out plan pocket [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► but it hasn't [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► good I'm glad to hear that displeases me [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► did you just say clown pocket I i went [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► to urban dictionary and look it up and [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► indeed richness Kato's description of it [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► was correct place from the urban [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► dictionary perspective we have a friend [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► who's who was a his story Steve and I [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► and several other friends from college [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► had had a dinner last week and a friend [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► who's a freelance journalist had an [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► editor tell him was it that his story [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► was a was a clown pocket he said editing [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► one of your morning briefs is like [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► bending a clown pocket it did not mean [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► what he thought it meant [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► oh it is trying to be hip and happening [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► with it so he's using references to the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► pockets of clowns [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► it strikes me that a grammarian should [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► be aware that there are multiple [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► connotations of any given term that one [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► might use the other connotation what is [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► the what is the one ya like an actual [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► ground products thank you like a thing [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► like pie [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► he was being literal a pocket on the [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► clown because God distinct from regular [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► pockets in some way that's their get [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► happy [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► yeah but bozo keeps his keys in his coat [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► pocket and if one broke loose one would [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► have a bit of a job trying to sell it [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► back on [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► yeah exactly that's pretty weak [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► yeah yes anyway about that well spotted [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► I'd I thought you were gonna let the [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► club pocket sailrite but I spat audio no [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► well it still was bad audio but you did [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► hear it alright yeah [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► thought up had the most PG or possibly [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► pg-13 moment in any Pixar movie i can [TS]