50: We Apologize for the Extinction of the Clownfish
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the incomparable podcast number 50
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artists 2011 back for part two of the
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copper bowls you into the films of pixar
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animation studios
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so we're going to get back into our
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likes or dislikes seems that really
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creeped us out stuff like that
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i'm joined again I'm Jason Snelling
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hosted the incomparable i'm joined by
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Steve let's your back for more
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punishment welcome aged one week since
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the last time we supposed to fix her
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it's funny how that works and again John
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siracusa John thanks for coming back for
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part two
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I don't know if I can remember what we
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were talking about what we talked about
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in part 10 i don't know i think it was
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something
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yeah it's all a blur now I think it's
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all about steve jobs and EDD Catmull
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that's what it was involuntary
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Katzenberg but yes
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Pixar pixar right yeah all right let's
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get back to it
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let's go around one more time more
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quickly to to do this is our lightning
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round another movie that you'd like to
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say something kind of in favor of the to
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Pixar movie Steve do you have another
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one you'd like to call out just for a
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few words of encouragement
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yeah it's a actually in the run-up to
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this podcast as i said i just watched up
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for the first time a couple nights ago
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and i actually just watch wall-e about
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two weeks ago and i really liked it
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I get where you're coming from John
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reset the messages heavy-handed it
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definitely goes off the rails in the
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second act I think it was a bit jarring
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to have real-life people as much as I
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like Fred Willard regular have him be in
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the video screens and then have the
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people be animated is just kind of this
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weird cognitive dissonance there that I
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did throws me for a bit of a loop but
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that opening sequence with with wall-e
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and Eve and then the subsequent sequence
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in space where they're doing their
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little dance through space is just so
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beautiful that it it it's a near
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masterpiece I think to me that is it's
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only really ruined by a slightly
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disappointing ending that this cleaned
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up maybe a little too too too rapidly
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and quickly and you don't really have
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enough time to get fit
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for the villains in the the other human
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characters but but that Wally and they
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and and Eve sequences and and just the
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way that they they brought Wally life
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and made him so relatable is just so
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impressive to me that that I i really
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enjoyed the film and and I definitely
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think it deserves
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if not masterpiece status than very
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close to it i agree about i mean the
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opening is I you know I could argue that
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yeah the first 10 or 15 minutes of Wally
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is the best 10 or 15 minutes the Pixar
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is done and it's hard it's kind of hard
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to top and the plot is harmless and it's
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the message was a little over the
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overbearing I i think i might argue that
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that's the best-looking Pixar movie i
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love how it looks
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the whole thing from the i love the
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design of the spaceship i love the
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design of the the the you know wrecked
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dirty earth that's being picked up and
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Wally's little shed and the robots and
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it sounds great i mean it's such as they
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made a roach likable
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yeah yeah yeah it's such a great
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technical achievement and end of the
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silent opening it you know the dialogue
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this opening is so brilliant that you
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know I'm willing to forgive it
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it's missteps you know plot-wise and
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it's sort of a little you know a little
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too much heavy-handedness with the
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message just because it is so you know
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it's Wally is so likeable you know your
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main character that can't speak and and
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there's so much good in it even though
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it's much more like that kind of movie
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right where it's where it's kind of like
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got some good and some bad rather than
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it just being solid all the way through
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and i also want to mention just a quick
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shout-out to something that's that's
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usually kind of ignored but the little
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sequence over the end credits at the end
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of Wally i think is really really strong
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beautiful where they go through the the
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cave paintings and sort of the
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resurgence of man is he is he becomes a
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goes through his various stages of
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growth again over the peter gabriel's
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are you know right which yeah
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which-which is a little distracting
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because it's one of those things where
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you know it's clearly Peter Gabriel but
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then again
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it's not Randy Newman so I guess that's
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it was gonna get that but I mean the
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Italian that song really kind of match
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I mean that that's a case where they did
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some work with the lyrics really match
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what you're seeing in the right in the
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in the credits and yeah that it works
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really well can I say bad things about
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Wally before saying really something
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else so I'm a little i have a little bit
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more trouble forgiving Wally mostly
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because like you mentioned that the
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designs and everything is good movie i
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agree except humans and I don't want the
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humans in a movie right because i was
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interested in the robot and this future
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dystopia and his problems and I I don't
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I didn't see a place I don't think you
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needed humans in there i would just been
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happy a big fat human blobs right
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it almost would have been better if they
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have been brought to the spaceship in
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the intake could have come up with some
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clever way to avoid ever seeing the
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humans while still knowing they were
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there or just have them being like cryo
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freeze all the humans are gone and
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robots are there and it's the robots
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were sent down because the robots are
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trying to recolonize and he would be
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rejoined by robot like his dilemma our
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main character they're with is I'm alone
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I'm in a bad time in this bad place and
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I'm trying to do all this
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do what I think i'm supposed to do but
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it's just a an impossible task and now a
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visitor comes and finally i'm not alone
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but it's intriguing and she's different
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than like that's the story I don't want
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to hear about fat people who don't float
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around on chairs I don't want to hear
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about pollution you know where you fit
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Ratzenberger and then if you do that uh
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yeah there's always a place you can take
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the fred willard I so I don't know you
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got back on Wally too much because that
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first half really is great i know you're
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right they could just have them be in
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cryo suspension and have it be like well
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you know people they were good people
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got fat and tired and we just what they
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decided to wait it out
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you don't even need to do the fat thing
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that the people could all be dead and
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you could have a an emergence of a hot
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but the whole thing is about you know
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because we do we need people we have
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these characters who we relate to who
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have everything that people have there's
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no reason that people
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well this is something that you
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mentioned in your in your hypercritical
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podcast is is the question
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they've got this whole story process
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that picture they do seem to take risks
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they make these amazing movies and
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sometimes you wonder if they didn't
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quite take enough of a risk and i think
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this is one of those cases where
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there as they did they felt like they
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took a risk
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it's almost like mitigated their lack of
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risk-taking in the whole movie by doing
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the big risk with the dialogue list
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first 15 minutes but the real risk would
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have been to say you know what
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there are no people there is no dialogue
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it is all robots and they didn't do that
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they kind of stuck the fat people in
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there with a fairly easy kind of a
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satirical message and you know i'm not
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sure it was really necessary
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you know I don't think having no
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dialogue without much of a risk because
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kids of all people get me tom and jerry
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has no dialogue and one of my son's
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favorite cartoon kids of all people get
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ya pantomime and like they don't need
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dialogue dialogue distraction for them
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and their the risk wasn't so much that
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they weren't going to have people
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because you know cars has no people toy
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story has limited people like that toy
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the thing is that pixar tends to make
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inanimate objects or other things that
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aren't people people like but these
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robots and Wally were not people like
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and you're like they were I mean
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obviously they were content with being
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an actress but but they were they were
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different they were alien some somewhat
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they didn't act exactly like people they
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didn't talk they didn't express things
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the same way you know what he didn't say
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anything at all eve spoke very
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differently and had very different
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attitude you know they had personalities
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but the head machine personalities and
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that would have been the risk to say
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we're not going to take a robot and make
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it just like your neighbor gym is not
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going to be neighbor Jim robot robots
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robots and they are intelligent beings
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in this universe and infinitely emotions
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they have feelings and emotions but
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they're a little bit different than you
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a little bit alien that would have been
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you know the suspending someone an
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entire movie where everything is
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slightly alien that probably would have
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been a risk and interested just doing
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since we talked about the things that
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hyper-girl give it a quick summary of it
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here and then the cars two things with
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my argument was that pixar before cars 2
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by making a series by never making a bad
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movie they had figured out how to
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engineer the process to avoid making a
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bad movie but it was preventing them
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from make a trend making a
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transcendently good movie and my my
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comparison was that have you asked John
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Lasseter have you ever made a movie
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that's better than the best miyazaki
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movie I think he would say no and it's
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because miyazaki is not afraid to make a
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stinky movie
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his great movies are really great
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because he's willing to try and do
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things that are way outside the norm
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whereas I feel like Pixar keeps itself
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within semi well-defined boundaries
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making a series of great movies in some
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really great ones but the best of pixar
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in my opinion and I think in the opinion
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of the people who work at Pixar is not
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better than the best miyazaki movie they
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just have a massively higher average is
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probably some sports analogy the Jason
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can make at this point
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yeah its value over replacement player
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with a park neutral now I got to know
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the odds you're gonna make some Yankee
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slow the only argument I'd make is that
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is the is the incredibles is a great i
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think a great movie
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oh yeah now i'm not saying i just i'm
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miyazaki fan and you know it John
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story is one guy and it's brad bird
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singular vision in it right in a movie
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by committee and he and brad bird had
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glass eyes so it that in itself is maybe
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telling that their greatest work is an
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outlier and a and it's not up a result
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like it you said I was not a movie by
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hell of a committee I mean we can bring
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people it's not bad having them in your
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government and that's why they make all
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good want to make that's my good movies
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and most of the time in a great movie so
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but they you know to punch through you
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you need to be able to do you need to be
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willing to risk make a duck because
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Miyazaki's made some movies that are
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just like you didn't quite make it
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quite connector is just a little bit too
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weird or it fails in one obvious way or
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another that any of these story
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amazingly talented pixar guys would have
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would have told me sake
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here's where your movies falling apart
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doesn't happen it's doing here generally
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apparently and you just got to make
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whatever you want it let him make those
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transcended ones and the whole thing was
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like all you're just asking for failure
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with cars to it isn't that your failure
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that you wanted
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I haven't seen cars to yet if cars to
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fail because it was too ambitious than
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yes but i have a feeling it did not fail
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because it was ambitious i found a
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feeling its I don't think it's probably
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gonna be a failure at all when i watched
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i think i'm going to say that was an ok
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movie i think it was just probably to
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conventional right too timid to i don't
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know i haven't seen it it's hard for me
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to say but my and I haven't seen it
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either i was disappointed when the
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trailer came out because i wasn't aware
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that they were actually making cards too
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that was a failure of ambition not
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because the movie wouldn't necessarily
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be creative and it sounds like they made
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a very different movie from cars that
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it's more of a sort of spy inflected and
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international kind of movie and and
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maybe it's a lot of fun but it and I i
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don't know any behind-the-scenes and I
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feel you know I it's difficult for me to
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put to make a guess about what the
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internal struggle is about this but it's
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very hard for me to look at cars tues
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existence and not think well cars was
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the pet project the guy who runs the
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studio John Lasseter it's he's a car nut
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it's his favorite subject and now
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they're making a sequel hard for me to
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not look at that and say maybe they're
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not making this for the right reasons
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maybe they're making this because he's
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the boss and he loves this and they're
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going to do it again at part of its cars
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is my least favorite Pixar movie by far
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not that it's bad but it's my least
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favorite and of all the movies for them
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to make a sequel to next for it to be
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cars like really when you've got
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monsters incorporated when you've got
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the incredibles you know it you've got
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so many other choices and its cars to it
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just seems so easy and it's got you know
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marketing potential because kids can
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make you know you can make cars that
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kids can play with and
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like such a safe choice for them when
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they ought to be doing more original
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things while the money angle is that the
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one convincing part of that not so much
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the bosses wins it's just that car
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merchandise has been selling just like
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its opening weekend for the original
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cars for years it's not like you know
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the movie comes out every by the dolls
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merchandise is still selling strongly
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we've got and we've got two majors in
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our house but i'd rather me when my
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girls I have so the fact that this
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merchandise has been selling so well
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years after the movie has been out you
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know without even the sequel hyping it
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up or anything you consider this like
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this is their funding the rest of their
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more ambitious projects and the thing
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about cars 2 is when I saw their wedding
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card too I felt the same way but then I
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thought well they made toy story 2 and I
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thought that was going to be a disaster
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yeah sure as heck wasn't you know like
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why don't make sequel itÃs don't make
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sequels it also i said we'll find I i'm
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going to give this movie the benefit of
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the doubt because I you know I thought
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toy story 2 is going to be stupid and
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why make a sequel or toy story three for
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that matter they're making a third moist
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or not they have enough for stories but
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against and maybe we should wait for
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purportedly on the way
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yeah yeah so I mean you know until they
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make a bad one you know but it's just
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because this is a sequel it I don't I
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don't fault them for because you can
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make sequels good and again I haven't
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seen the movie but even if it just turns
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out to be a so-so kids movie if it makes
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a lot of money and it funds the more
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ambitious projects i'm all for it
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it didn't start talking about this
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without seeing it I don't think it did
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make my eye I think it's an outlet for
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your toys not the movie
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oh yeah that's true don't know where the
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real money from the movie is made
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come on merchandising now John do you
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have a another picture that you'd like
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to touch on
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yeah that the 1i want to talk about is a
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finding nemo and I its i love Finding
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Nemo I think it's a great movie i think
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it's one of the one of the funniest pics
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are i find myself laughing at Ellen
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DeGeneres nothing more than an where I
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should you
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the I don't know if it's been riding her
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delivery I just find it very funny and I
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think her performance was great but
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that's not what i want to highlight this
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movie I want to highlight it because it
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marks the first time that I really
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noticed pics are really coming into its
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own deciding that they were going to so
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previously had been using animation for
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things and animation is good at and then
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finding nemo they said you know what we
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can do the things that people who make
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like historical pictures or like
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romances or travel movies can do
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having beautiful things having the
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scenery be beautiful and having that add
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to the movie like when you're watching a
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particular movie show a sunset or people
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are driving through Africa or whatever
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that adds to the movie and they said we
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don't have to be timid making rigidbody
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things inside a building with lighting
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room we can make beautiful natural
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things we can have and that can add to
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the movie not just you know don't just
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do enough to get it done make shots
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where you dwell on look at this
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beautiful places where these things live
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wasn't the focus finding nemo and it
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wasn't about the beauty of the ocean
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that's the first time that I think
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they're their technology and their
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ambition combined to let them realize
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that they can do that with movies that
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you know that everybody doesn't have to
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be about that but that but that you can
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do that so if it's appropriate for the
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story it had the equivalent of the magic
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hour in your movies because it adds to
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the experience and everyone I think of
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finding less what I think about i think
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about those various water seems
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inefficient even during the credits they
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had that little scenes with the things
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waving in the water and everything I i
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hope i hope they're going to do
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something similar with brave because
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they have a similar type of environment
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there but we'll say a beautiful movie
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and the the fact that you never really
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forget that you're in the water but II
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and the quality of the water the quality
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of the fish tank with the junk in it and
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it i believe was it was a number one for
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a while was the highest-grossing Pixar
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out and and it you know rightfully a hit
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because yeah it's a it's it's just a
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great movie i think it's easy to
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overlook at
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because you know well it's nemo but it's
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it's it's great and my kids to this day
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can't see a clown fish in a fish tank
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without app proclaiming it Nemo there's
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a problem we apologize for the
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extinction of the clownfish but uh yeah
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and funny and again you get the picture
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has this tendency to time kind of I
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think say well we were going to
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alternate between the kind of main
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storyline and be kind of wackier zanier
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story which might not work as a whole
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story but we were gonna have it and so
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Nemo himself in the fish tank with his
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cast of wacky characters like Allison
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Janney is in there and brad garrett is
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in there and but Jesus willem dafoe yeah
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i thought was willing to follow as the
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leader of the fish tank
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you know that's wacky with with
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interesting characters that's that's
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like really kind of wacky stuff and and
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then there's the main kind of quest
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story which is also got Ellen DeGeneres
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he's really funny and Albert Brooks
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again well-known person comedian funny
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but not you know just they're being
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Albert Brooks and no kid no kid knows
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who Howard process know now he has
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invented what we'll we'll make a fortune
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but have Albert Brooks headline on
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animated kids movie
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brilliant alright well for my second
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being disappointed sequels this was
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it was it was the reverse that a disney
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a piece of crap and they said let's make
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an actual toy story to tell a story
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through is even worse we're through the
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entire movie yes I story to was sort of
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the plan was to make it crappy and pixar
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make a crappy we're going to go into
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story three they started to make you
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happy movie actually had a garden and
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throughout the crappy movie version of
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our toy story toy story 2
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interesting you know they went back and
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they made bikes like my like we're going
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back we're making a sequel to toy story
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but it it tells a new story it expands
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the world it is the first punch in the
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gut of many to come
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yes with that and one of the best I
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think maybe the bit when she loved me
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the song by Randy Newman is performed by
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sarah mclachlan / / Jessie the cowgirl
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story of you know basically toy story 3
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is that song in an entire movie with and
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and if it's you know in minutes that's
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sad that points to but it that this is
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the first time we've got that kind of
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unexpected punch in the gut emotionally
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and you know it's got Kelsey Grammer is
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it lives in a box and it's got way night
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as the crazy collector which says
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something about like how not to view a
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toy have a have a toy on my shelf in my
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in my house that's a it's it's a micro
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not actually but it's a replica and it's
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still in the box and every time my kids
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say we need to get that out of the box i
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think god i i i i am like the old
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prospector and toys to return to the
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bodies kids never been opened its a toy
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that hasn't been played with it's a
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horrible perversion and I ought to just
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rip it out of the box you are stinky
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Pete the podcaster I am I am stinky Pete
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that's right the stinky Pete the plot
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against hot caster so a toy story 2
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didn't didn't have to be it didn't have
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to be good at all i believe it's a
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hundred percent rotten tomatoes right
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it's not just good it's great it's it's
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got emotional depth at the first movie
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didn't didn't even have it still I think
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one of Pixar's very best which is saying
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a lot because it was early and I think
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it's to be preferred over toy story 3 as
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well yeah I like toy story 3 a lot and
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there's a scene you know the one of the
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most recent punches in the gut is that
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seen toy story three at the end where
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basically something else my wife and I
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were talking about it that's the scene
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that basic
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he is we're all gonna die there's
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nothing you can do about it you might as
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well make friends with the people that
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you've gotten life because in the end
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we're all gonna die and there's nothing
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you can do and it's inevitable and oh
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god oh god were doomed and they actually
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have that whole moment and then it's
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like oh and then there and then kids
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they're saved
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that's right everything will be fine and
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they will live happily ever after
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meanwhile the parents the movie like oh
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god do is ruined
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yeah see the thing was three for me
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though is the same thing that the same
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issue that I sort of have with up which
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is that were bookended by these really
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great emotional moments and then the
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middle is this kind of pedestrian
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jailbreak movie and and so much of it is
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just a rehash of the character
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interactions that we've seen the first
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David baby is like a statistically
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manipulative teddy bear I mean right no
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no that's great very good that that's a
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it's a very good jailbreak film but in
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contrast a toy story 2 which i think is
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strong and end and carries that
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emotional depth is kind of an
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undercurrent you're obviously peaking at
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the when she loved me moment but I mean
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that the the whole film is kind of a
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mean as soon as as we we have a woody
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meeting the rest of the roundup gang you
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know you've got this this sense of loss
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and loneliness and and and the
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abandonment that the other characters
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felt you know when when everybody loved
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woody and nobody cared about bullseye
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and stinky Pete and Jesse Jesse Jesse
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Jesse yes and in it i think it's it's
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just so much stronger film because it it
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holds onto that the whole way whereas
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toy story 3 you know again i think is is
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in parts that good and then kind of
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loses it for me in the middle so yeah
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it's easily the strongest I think of the
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toy stories and that's the problem with
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the Toy Story franchise is that they are
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they're running out of things for the
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characters to do first movie was about
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was about woody you know and the invader
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buzz second movie had wooden bus
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together facing a challenge but the
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secondary characters have always kind of
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been there for gags and we're kind of
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running out of we're running out of
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character development for forwarded how
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many more slinkies are long jokes can
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you make ya for Woody and Buzz were
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running out of things to their character
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to do they both have relationships that
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have sort of been established with these
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other you know people in a way and
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everything but at and but decide
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characters had never been truly solid
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characters and they needed to give them
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something to do in toy story 3 but I
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story three was more about Andy's
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relationship with the toys you know as
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pantomimed through the toys actions you
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know it was kind of a mirror image where
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at the end of the movie the boy has to
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go through the same type of thing that
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slice themselves have to go to being
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abandoned so on and so forth but if in a
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for what do you do with these characters
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like the ones that we cared about were
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woody buzz his relationship with Andi
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and Andy's fan like that whole
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everything seems to be all tied up and
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now you have to like come up with some
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sort of news that seems like a mistake
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to me Toy Story the next generation a
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whole new group until is now the girl
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that they're left within in the box at
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the end of toy story 3 now she'll be
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going off to school and will be sad
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yeah I like it but now they're old hat
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like now they've been through it before
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now they're more of the grizzled veteran
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toys where they understand that you know
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this was their first owner you get the
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impression and he was their first owner
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addresses the sort of the Ark of the
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toys life and encountering these other
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toys who have been through that arc once
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before and come out worse for it shows
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like now here's are our heroes coming
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out of it and understanding that they
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don't have to be bitter like the Baron
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you know it just seems like there's not
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much for them to go i don't know how
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much of a new place them to go with a 4
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right well my really think you can
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really do is introduce a whole batch of
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new characters and and that's gonna be a
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disaster before it even starts
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yeah well i mean if you make a new cable
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cast of characters you if you decide to
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make an entirely new movie that's fine
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just kind of making a new movie happened
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to using toys as actors you could do
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that successfully and just capitalized
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in Toy Story brand but i don't know i
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think the other thing i want to say
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speaking of the montage with jesse is in
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my challenge to Pixar is the things they
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do in those montages I with is just
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music and and scenes and stuff like that
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where you're you're experiencing
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something that they're trying to show
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you the loss of you know loss of
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innocent people getting all that type of
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look viewed from the perspective of us
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have a situation that will never will
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never be in so it's like kind of an
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allegory like a toy the person growing
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up not want
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play with the toy people can relate that
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to real situations in their life and
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their own relationships but it's but
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it's it it's by way of an analogy and
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it's under montage my challenge that
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would to be to do a scene like that that
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has a similar message but not as a
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montage and head on and that's really
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hard to do like the greatest of the
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greatest movies have emotional scenes
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between peoples we're really talking
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about what they're talking about it and
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it's not reminding you of something
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because it's an allegory or fable or
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fantastical situation it's like a real
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one or whatever I think they they're not
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there shying away from but i think they
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can do it like you can make you can make
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that the text and not have it be the
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subtext I and still pull it off I i
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totally believe that they have the
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strength to that's thus far
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maybe it's because they make kid movies
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or whatever they mostly shied away for
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the most of come at an angle sometimes
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when you come in an angle that's how it
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catches you because like we don't care
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that this toy is missing its owner like
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Arizona is growing up and not being
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interested in playing with it again
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because we know where that's not the the
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text of the story is not what we're
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getting upset about its the
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you-know-whats relating to if you gave
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us a real scene where someone was in the
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relationship that was drifting apart or
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whatever a home movie about that will
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will accept that too is just so much
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harder to do so I not that they're
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cheating so much but that the music
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backed montage triggering childhood
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feelings is even though they do it so
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well it's there's a degree of difficulty
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that's not there that you know they want
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to go to the next level deck do it for
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real do it head-on make that the story
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right and probably the closest they've
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come to that with it would be with the
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incredibles with the whole dynamic that
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that the that mr. incredible inelastic
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will have it at home and I think that's
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probably why that is so strong right or
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again they're elastic are wrapping
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around the people like that's that was
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that's head-on that's not reminding you
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of what it's like to protect your
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children its that's the story she's
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doing that in the story so one of my
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questions I that I was gonna get to it
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very and i thought i'd ask now because
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of what John just said which is what i
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want to know
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you think pixar should do next not
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necessarily they're very next movie
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because we know that's going to be brave
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which is set in Scotland as a female
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protagonist and I it looks like going to
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the wikipedia and wikipedia doesn't lie
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there is a monster's inc sequel in the
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in the fact that andrew stanton is
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directing John Carter of Mars I guess
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really pixar but there are not a lot of
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pics our names in the credits and that's
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a live action sci-fi movie and it did
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a little bit to Mars but but on one
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live-action movie to that he's working
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these animations Edwards doing a mission
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impossibles any you're right he is he's
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doing mission impossible 4 which which I
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wouldn't be excited about but when I
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think mission impossible from the
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director of the incredibles interesting
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ridiculous things I can think of like I
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go photorealistic which no one dares do
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because it's so hard to do but like at a
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certain point it's going to be there for
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the taking
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photorealistic wally was really close
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it's easier to do machines but the
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opening sequences of Wally most nothing
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on the screen really reads as a cartoon
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even the cockroaches pretty realistic
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looking but eventually it's going to be
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sitting there right in front of you and
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somebody like so do we know we can do it
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plastic do we wanna go full photo but
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more about this is that it's probably
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best for them to sneak up on it and the
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the easiest way for them to transition
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comfort zone I feel like is sci-fi and
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it's not hard sci-fi but serious syfy
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where there is yeah at least the serious
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relatively light hearted movie but it's
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not really a kids movie it's a little
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bit too intense for kids and give it
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sort of a dark sci-fi premise that would
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be a way I think pixar can find its way
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out of the child movie ghetto by having
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a pg-13 or PG but have it be sort of a
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gritty dark sci-fi action adventure
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movie that reads like the you that you'd
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watch the same way you would watch you
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know empire strikes back or something
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like that I can't think of a better
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darker so maybe later mate runner but
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not that dark like not only piece like
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Blade Runner like you know justjust a
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good a sci-fi movie for teenagers and
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adults that's not not for kids and
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sci-fi is not that far from their
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comfort zone I feel and they haven't
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really done with the exception of Wally
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they haven't really really done that
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like a new IP you know or don't or make
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it up make it
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a making an adaptation of something
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that's not well-known don't pick another
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philip k dick story and just come out
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with something like that to to say that
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boy this is really great sci-fi movie
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that's it's not like transformers that's
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an actual great movie and also happens
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to be science fiction that
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science-fiction fans like sort of like a
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game of thrones is done for fantasy you
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know what I mean we're Game of Thrones
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is a fantasy thing but it's it raises
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the level of the best of television
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dramas well they can make a sci-fi movie
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that raised the level of the best of you
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know action adventure science-fiction
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human drama was it just happens to be
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sci-fi that I think is their way in
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verses going all the way for the I you
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know for the realistic murder mystery to
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our thing which I think might be because
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the people would say like all we can't
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take it seriously like you can't you
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know is it you know make schindler's
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list but with CJ you gotta go get there
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in a world that is not even close to
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being our world so people are a little
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more accepting of the deviations from
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reality right suspension of disbelief is
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already there right but still have it be
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you know a real real live movie for
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adults not kids movies and very you know
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do with trying to do with no comedy
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relief like that would be the challenge
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pixar expects are everything they do
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there's something like funny awry about
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it can you make a good quality movie
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without lots of humor it's possible
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especially in sci-fi you can make a good
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exciting action adventure sci-fi movie
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that's not funny joke time right you can
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have some jokes in it but it needs to be
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more than that like serenity is actually
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a pretty good movie but it's got its got
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jokes in it but miles up with the
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wheeling the whedon is deep down and now
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he's had everything we needed service
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uncensor I could remember I wouldn't
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advocate serenity being the model for a
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picture sci-fi movie but it's to it
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springs to mind is a fun sci-fi movie
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that still got some jokes in it but it's
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not the not the point it i get on back
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to Empire which will eventually podcast
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about which has jokes in it and is funny
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but takes itself a hundred percent
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seriously like it its it takes itself
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seriously as a movie and all possible
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levels and I think they can make a
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science-fiction movie that's not
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derivative anything that if they again
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if they get an equivalent of brad bird
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who has this great idea for an awesome
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sci-fi movie that takes itself seriously
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and he's super talented like brad bird
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there you go alright well i doubt i'll
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pick up where you left off Jason and say
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I'd like to see what would happen if
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they tried their hand at a live-action
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film I mean obviously the animation is
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is what they became known for and it was
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really their calling card and now
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they've excelled at it to such an extent
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that you almost watch the film and
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forget that it's animated at times it
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about it he'll step back once in awhile
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Paradise Falls vista and up or again
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although the great underwater stuff and
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finding nemo and you go wow that's
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that's really impressive stuff but the
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reason pixar films are so great is not
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because of the animation it's not
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because the animation is so fantastic
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and well done
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it's because the story and the process
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that they they put together to come up
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with a story and the scripting and the
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characters is is so fantastically
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conceived and I'd be really curious to
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see what would happen if they took that
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same process and and applied it to live
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action and we've seen you know how close
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to two storyboards films can look these
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days with CGI and whatnot you know with
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a with watch man
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watchmen and other comic book films that
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are almost no for no copies from comic
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panels for instance you know so i think
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i think they could really almost go down
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animation where they a storyboard every
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single singing every single you know
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facial tic and and I don't know maybe to
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some extent the actors would repeal the
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fact that they were being told you know
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follow such a strict formula but i think
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they could end up with something very
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interesting if they went down that path
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I what you said actually makes me think
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the other the other thing they could do
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creative reason to do this or not but
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you know history is littered with
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attempts to combine live action with
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animation and roger roger rabbit is an
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example and you don't do and Ike dancing
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much peaked with that with that the
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incredible mr. limpet and it's all been
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downhill since then well I anything
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something like what if she's going to
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have to count a good world you know it
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was sky captain interesting what if they
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found a a good way to kind of mix
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together beyond Fred Willard showing up
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on a on a screen some way to 300
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theoretically live-action movies that
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star wars sorry the Star Wars prequels i
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have to mention it here with their whole
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sections of that I look at my just think
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you know the bladder is this is an
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animated feature at this point yeah the
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yeah some of the stories that i think is
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the most successful because like the
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close-up scenes of that stupid kid look
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horrible and the whole rest of the thing
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which only exists in a computer looks
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yeah yeah so you know it wouldn't be
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that much for them to cross over into
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something that is indescribable about
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whether it's an animated film or live
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action but you're still saying human
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human actors you're still saying like
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that's that's the where the line is
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drawn it's like what your main character
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stylized like 300 or our sin city or
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something like that or maybe that's your
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lifetime movie where it's where it's
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their human characters who are humans
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but there are alien characters who are
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going to be CGI anyway except that
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they're there
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pixar animated characters i saw that
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though the waters of mars i saw John
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Carter of Mars or John Carter whatever
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they're playing cards so that trailer
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rather see them do the final fantasy
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experience within thing the right way
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two decades three decades later like the
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holy spirit of it
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yeah that eventually it's gonna be there
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for the taking it don't make it with
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humans if you're afraid make the entire
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thing make like you know a deepness in
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the sky but with no humans you know like
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if you're afraid of making human right
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pick something else first but or make
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your humans slightly stylized or
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something but but look like reliving
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things like Bobby or something you know
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like they're strange-looking if we have
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yeah well I'm it i just think it's
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harder to do I think pixar strength is
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because that's the whole thing all their
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worlds other piece and consistent friend
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will decide you know that there are also
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automatic brother will eventually for
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eventually why is that red Willard
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should be John Ratzenberger damn it it
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should be anybody you know speaking of
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that the first time I saw it yeah I'm
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like what the hell right but the second
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didn't register that it was live action
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shock and somehow actually fit into the
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movie the second and third and fourth
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time like I don't know why it fits in
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and I the fact that they picked him as
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the actor that fits to like he does a
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little stick I'm like yeah you know he's
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my favorite human in the movies i
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actually thought it was pretty cool
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until I say until I realized we were
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going to see animated people later and
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that's what killed it for now
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last thing I wanted to to do is go
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around and talk about i want to turn
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negative i want to go i wanna go-
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full-on negative I I want you to select
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a movie or part of a movie some put
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something in pixar that we haven't
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covered yet
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ideally that is your least favorite
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thing that Pixar has done
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who would like to be negative alright
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I'll go first I've gotta this is
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probably isn't fair because i've only
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seen his movie I think twice maybe three
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times but it's not one that we own so I
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haven't seen it a thousand times but I
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can see this movie sticks with me the
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least I and i don't i don't think it's a
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bad movie like it's not it's not
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actively bad and nothing in it i can
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point to it that the just it just it
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just doesn't work for me I guess my
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movies ratatouille
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that's the only movie we haven't yet
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mentioned all this time talking at it
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hasn't come up
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yeah now that it has its moments it
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certainly looks beautiful
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I I appreciate what it's trying to do
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but it just does not hold together as a
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cohesive movie for me that I'm
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interested in or that i find myself
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thinking about are coming back to or
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wanted my children to watch or anything
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like that so that's like the worst thing
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you can say about it's just it's just
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blonde again I haven't seen cars to
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maybe cars 2 will have the same effect
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on me i don't know but i hate cars which
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I've seen billions of times it it has a
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certain charm to it that you know and I
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I'm a car guy so maybe that helps a
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little bit too it's certainly not their
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best work but ratatouille is flat from a
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flatter than cars even so that is my
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that is my bottom
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I'm it again and maybe it's not fair
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maybe we need to watch it a few more
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and refresh myself on it but just just
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given my personal impression of its and
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stay with me all right Steve I I find
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hard to come up with the the worst thing
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i can say which probably my least
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favorite film is it might not be a
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popular choice I i think one it doesn't
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do it for me the most is probably toy
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story huh
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and that's it's it's very cool was
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innovative for the time I think the
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problem for me was I didn't actually see
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toy story until i had already seen a
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bug's life I i think it was after
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finding nemo that i finally got around
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to watching the first toy story and so
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much of it is just pics are finding
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their feet and so much it there's so
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much reliance on the toy ponds which are
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good they're funny and the timeless puns
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as timeless as pleasant as can be i was
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a joss whedon jokes and that one too
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right but at the same time there's the
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narrative isn't that strong the people
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look funky you know I i don't think the
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characters really come into their own
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until the second film and a lot of ways
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it is it is they're figuring things out
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right and it's not sure I can forgive it
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for that
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yeah but but it's just it doesn't it
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doesn't do the same thing for me as the
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other ones too and it's it's largely
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because the narrative just isn't strong
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and they haven't really gotten that
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whole they're starting to you know with
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the scene with the with the buzz trying
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to take flight and not being able to do
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it and then the irritating randy newman
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tinkling along the background there
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they're starting to get that sort of
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emotional resonance thing going but it's
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just not really that strong yet and I
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think even ratatouille i think is it is
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better for me while i agree with you
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that it'sit's kind of blah overall as a
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film it does have kind of a weird
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emotional resonance in places and and
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somehow for some reason even though i'm
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not that invested in the character that
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the scene where the food critic each the
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ratatouille and he's immediately brought
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back to his childhood that that one
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nails me for some reason it almost makes
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the rest of the film uh you know much
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more tolerable for me and there's
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nothing like that in Toy Story I mean
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it'sit's just not it's not there yet
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it's still great
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but it's just not on a par with the rest
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of the film's I was going to mention
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ratatouille as well there's a scene i'm
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thinking of a particular although you
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mentioned the critic is interesting that
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is a really careful line they walk
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because there are movies where there are
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characters of critics and they are
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savage as being talentless people who do
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nothing but tear down other people's
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work and every time I see that in a
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movie I want to throw something at the
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screen because you know again criticism
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uh because because I I am I in my mind
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there is nothing more classless then a
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maker of movies getting revenge at movie
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critics by by insulting them in their
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next movie and you see this hat it it
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happens right at tooheys depiction of
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that critic is right on the edges peter
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o'toole i think is the voice of the
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critic um because on one level he is
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portrayed as being this just miserable
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son of a gun who hates everything and
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he's mean and you know and you can't
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please him and and yet when you finally
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see him there is that scene where he's
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taken back to the reasons that he always
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loved food in the first place and then
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he raves about it and it humanizes him
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on one level where i kinda want to
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forgive it on another level though I
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feel like what it's really saying is if
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only critics would remember that they
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love watching movies they would stop
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criticizing it and being so mean
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which is just a biggest load of horsemen
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that you could possibly imagine and and
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and I you know honestly it as much
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education as i have heaped upon brad
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bird for the incredibles um if he if
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he's the guy who hatched that concept
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he should be embarrassed for himself
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because it's it's it's it's ridiculous
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people you know you know what your movie
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maker people get to criticize your work
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suck it up
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so anyway that that's an offense me and
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that's not the scene that bothers me the
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most about to we've seen that bothers me
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the most in ratatouille
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the scene that I think undercuts the
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entire premise of the movie i believe
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that they're in this fantasy world where
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a rat to grab onto a kid's head and make
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him make food by a real filled with hair
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it connects to his limbs
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it's amazing of the hair pulls on his
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brain and his anyway
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that alone should be public health and
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undercuts p hair stuff to cook so public
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health hazard
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it's the scene where they bring all the
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rats from the sewers of Paris into the
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kitchen because the kitchen staff is
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quit and you and there's a moment where
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I'm sitting here thinking well this is
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odd because these are the vermin is now
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in the kitchen but the rats are friends
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so it's okay that part doesn't bother me
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what bothers me is in an attempt to I
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think to smooth out people's concern
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about rats in the kitchen they show a
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scene where the rats are sterilized by
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being run through the dishwasher and
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then the rats come out of the dishwasher
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and I think we're meant to think is oh
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what a relief the rats are clean now and
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instead all I think is wow that ran
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smelly wet wraps in the kitchen and and
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at that moment the entire movie just
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completely careens off the rails because
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I've it took me like 10 minutes to get
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back to accepting what this movie was
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because it completely blew me out of the
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premise ipad that way you apparently
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didn't wear underwear that lemon fresh
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joy is actually a cure for the black
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Pike wet rats in the kitchen it's just
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the wet rats it was even the rats
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it was the wet rats in the kitchen just
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push me over the edge a wet rat will
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make you dinner now sir mr. but Mr film
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critic or mister mister critic who is a
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miserable sob because he doesn't like
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anything because all he does is
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criticize it good news the white rats
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are making your dinner tonight will be
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excellent and the idiot kid who is
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controlled by his hair anyway so what
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I'm saying is the cars is my least
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favorite of all but you hate everything
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is your critic
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no I I you know cars just lays there for
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me Brett relatives got highs and lows
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there's some good stuff in it i like i
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like some of the stuff with Remy the rat
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and his family and there are a lot of
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kind of rat jokes and you know the
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romantic element with the kid and the
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girl in the it doesn't really work that
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well but you know some stuff with patton
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oswalt you know he's likeable and the
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characters is interesting cars is the
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one that feels just kind of artificial
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and and blame to me and but you know and
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I still it's fine i have the DVD of it's
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not like I hate it but I would rank cars
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beretta to a just hate the wet rats and
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ratatouille hate it when i mentioned
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that tonight anyway I want to thank you
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guys for being a part of this marathon
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yet another marathon two-part and
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comfortable podcast
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wow I can't shut up it just can't it
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can't end now let's talk about future
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now but let's talk about the shorts will
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mention all the pixar shorts and I
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wanted to get to the shore to dammit i
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forgot about that will have to be
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importantly really been a pause in the
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action i would've brought that up the
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third half of the show we rock style
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ah yes exactly uh anyway so pixar makes
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great movies and if you're jaded
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childless person who has never seen them
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what is wrong with you why did you
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listen to this podcast but you should go
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see them now because it generally pretty
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good except for the ones that we said 10
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k alright so thanks to everyone for
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listening i would also like to thank my
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guest Steve let's thanks very much thank
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you sir and John syracuse oh thanks for
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being here thank you and until next time
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I'm chasing snow for the uncomfortable
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thanks for listening
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well it's it's the new hope of pixar a
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new hope
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toy story co co this is flipped around
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now don't know this is exactly what I
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say about your help
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yeah I I didn't listen that pocket haha
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