The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable test [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► episode 52 [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► August 2011 first anniversary edition [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable and I [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► have reconvened again our book club [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► because this is an anniversary of sorts [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► this is basically a year almost to the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► day of the original episode of the [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► incomparable and this is indeed [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► incomparable number 52 Jason I yeah I [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► didn't get us anything [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the voice you just heard is one of our [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► former pod cast members haha damn more'n [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► joins me he was on that first podcast [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► and the other participants were on that [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► podcast as well Glenn fleischmann [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► welcome back you've made a year [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► congratulations Thank You [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► congratulations to you for having the [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► fortitude to do this [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► yes I quit this podcast is over 1 year [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► and we're over and also joining us is as [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► he was on Episode one when we didn't [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► have a name for the podcast got Mykelti [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► hi Scott who I am so glad that we are [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the only people that have survived the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► Great incomparable killing yes free [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► everyone else is dead [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► unfortunate by the way don't answer your [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► door ding dong [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► so in episode one of the incomparable [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► will always have Zeppelin's from august [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► twenty-second of 2010 we talked about [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► among other things the novel the city in [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the city by China navel and he's back [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► because we read embassy town which is [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► his latest novel we all read it i think [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► it's fair to say that some of us didn't [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► like it very much [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► I think that might be more than fair to [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► say heaven for fans so this could be [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► good i will tell you my opinion of the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► book but my opinion of the marketing of [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► the book is a not too high because [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► everywhere i was reading you know I have [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► a fan of the good old trader as i'm [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► going to call it because I can never [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► pronounce last name so i eagerly [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► anticipated the book and I would read [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► the event [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► and you know marketing copy and [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► everywhere it would say space opera [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► describe this book as a space opera now [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► unless i have no idea what space opera [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► means it's actually an opera second [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► space if it doesn't feel canarian or the [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► marketing people have no idea what [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► you're talking about because this in my [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► limited understanding of the space opera [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it generally involves a sweeping story [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► large battles and things you know a [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► grand stage and some something big in [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► this store this novel can be described [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► as many things but to paraphrase I I no [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► space operas and you embassy town are no [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► space opera know it might be a planet [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► opera i mean i think that how that if [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► you think about all the events that [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► occur in embassy town I was telling my [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► wife this it's a I it feels like in some [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► ways this could have been four novels [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► because the events on the surface of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that planet it's like let's demolish an [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► entire culture and then watch as it is [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► really sort of rebuilt there's a lot [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that happens that completely changes [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► what happens on that planet but it's [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► certainly not like what I would think of [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► as a space opera which is this sweeping [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► scope of many planets and battles and [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► space and things and it's really there [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► there are some scenes in the hyperspace [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► kind of thing called the Emperor and and [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► then everything else is on this planet [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► where embassy damn is there's like [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► there's like five minutes of space [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► travel instead of being a space up it's [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► more like a space that cave and the bad [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► seeds song i think i don't know that [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► means but I agree so let's start back at [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the beginning here which is embassy town [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► is a novel that set in kind of multiple [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► time frames and then the multiple time [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► frames shift [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► it's about it's a hit well sir the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► governing image is very tolerant of [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► mitotic all the way the way it is [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► oh you're right you're right in front of [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► the protagonist is a woman named APIs [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► she's a she's a native basically of this [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► planet which is a has this alien race [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► that lives on it but there is a place [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► we're all of the ambassadors and staff [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► who are not from this alien race live [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and it's an air bubble of breathable [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► atmosphere and that is called embassy [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► town so it is the place where all the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► aliens live including humans on this [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► planet and she has a little [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► coming-of-age thing or she's a kid on a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► planet and then she learns to be an [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► emperor pilot which means that she can [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► travel through the stars and then at a [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► later time she comes back to the planet [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► and then the fun begins [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► because then there are quick crazy [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► imaginations with ambassadors and [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► there's a thing called a my ab which you [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► find us a message in a bottle and just [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► in case you thought Jason might be [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► applying that you go to like 200 pages [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► before the fun kicks in [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► he's totally right I'm not even sure it [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► kicks in addition underneath [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► oh and the the host the aliens are [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► called the hosts na they don't they [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► can't understand when people talk but [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► they can understand when these weird [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► kind of like mentally bonded pairs of [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► people speak simultaneously because the [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► hosts have two mouths and it's it's wild [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► it is a wacky very original i thought [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► premise but yet it is not exactly a a [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► quick read to get to the to get to the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► big fight seem well I ended it's not [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► even important [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► I I don't even know that how important [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► that is it's just what strikes me a you [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► know what strikes me here is what you [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► said about there being you know several [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► different books in here and I think it's [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► true and I think all of them gets short [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► shrift like none of them are fully [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► fleshed-out and none of them are it's [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► like everytime you think okay this is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► getting someplace interesting like the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► whole the rug gets pulled out from under [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► you and you start all over again and [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► this is tough because he really enjoys [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► dumping people not just sort of in media [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► res like in the middle of things but in [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► terms of like in the middle of these [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► extremely complex environments right [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► where you don't necessarily have any [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► idea what's going on like how long does [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► it take you to figure out sort of the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► central premises of this world and the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► society there in and then no sooner you [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► sort of start to get a handle on that [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► then you're [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► you're sucked away into this you know [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► into the her careers and your pilot [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► which doesn't last very long and doesn't [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► really seem to have a huge bearing on [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► the rest of the book you know i will say [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► i want one of the things I appreciate [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► about me avail and I appreciate about [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► this book is a little bit like an FM by [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► neal stephenson he he he's gonna set you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► down in the world and you gotta figure [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► it out and I'll i like that but i liked [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► i like to end them and I think that's [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the major difference haha no no I think [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► Stevenson's was better at that because [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► meetville the thing that bothers me [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► about most of his books and I've read I [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► read all three of the which McCullen new [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► crow bazan or whatever the pretty [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► district station that's a that's a [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► made-up word crocus on I read all three [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► of those it's not where I don't is it I [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► you know he'd that see that's my point [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► he's just spend so much time saying like [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► his whole books are isn't this weird [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► isn't that weird [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► this guy's got bug head is not weird [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► it's like it's drawers so much attention [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► to itself that it feels like hitting me [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► over the head with a hammer about [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► weirdness and it's like it's hard for me [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► to ever get engaged because I don't I I [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► feel like I'm constantly being reminded [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► isn't this weird but but your point that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► you just made was that you know you have [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► to figure out what the rules of the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► world are and what that some of these [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► words mean and and that that didn't [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► bother me i think you I think your point [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► is much more valid that as you figure it [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► out suddenly we are jerked away to yet [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► another angle so she's growing up in the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► coming of age in this weird place [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► no now she's a pilot and she's gonna [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► learn about this weird hyperspace [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► topography multi-dimensional topography [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► okay okay i'm starting to get that it's [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► mr which is the timeless always of the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► hyperspace and it's the ad pops or [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► whatever the german word is that they [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► use that's the ok i got i'm starting to [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► get that bono now she's back and she's [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► not in the space anymore she's back on [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► the planet again [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► don't you think that's a device though [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it but it strikes me as a random [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► vomiting of ideas like rather than any [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► fully-formed coherent narrative think [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► vomiting is ordered [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► I wouldn't say random vomiting and [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► say a procession of that i find this [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► emblematic and sort of you know and that [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► makes all the stuff that he writes to a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► certain extent in the sole exception of [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► my experience being the city in the city [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► which is very very strange but I really [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► enjoyed and thought was well constructed [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and well-crafted as a story in a way [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► that this was not there is a main line [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► plot in the city and the city is that [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► you go from one end to the other and [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► there's actually a resolution and you're [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► sort of hitting way points along the way [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► there's a structure that makes sense [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► right yeah which is true of most I mean [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► it's true of a pretty do Street Station [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► has got its you know it's a rambling [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► thing but it's not pick her ass great [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► this is this is picturesque this is the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► definition of picturesque is that you're [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► walking along and you get to one [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► destination when you get there is not a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► resolution the story it's like oh and [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► here's the next story and let's go on [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► and so forth so you don't feel like [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► they're he may have intended an arc but [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► there is no sense of story arc from [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► through the others go through line for [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► this it reads like five stories that [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► have similar things in common [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the problem with that is that in a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► picaresque what keeps you going from [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► story to story is that the characters [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you know usually are engaging right and [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► it's also not but I I mean I honestly [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► found myself not really understanding [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► understanding or caring about Elvis well [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► I don't understand the whole obsession [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► with establishing that the man she's in [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► love with they don't have sex and yet [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► they get married like there's there's a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► number of times that you know I I [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► thought he was gonna make a point about [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► like interspecies things or the nature [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► of whatever it's like we try to do [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► things in bed and didn't work out but [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► then we stuck around he was sort of [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► weirdo he was obsessed with language and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► so we got married like why i don't quite [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► what's the point of that like where does [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that fit in is very off pit that's still [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► the weirdness right like is is this [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► different from the way you do things [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► where you are [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► yes in this world marriage means [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► something different it's a special [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► contract that can mean many things [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► including sex or not haha about that now [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► let's move on [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► yeah I challenge your preconceived [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► notions check that's yes that would be [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► the onion version of this story is the [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► Challenger consumers with this and this [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► and i have a friend and she's a she's a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► robot or a target on our computer [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► program with wheels tides what's the [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► deal with her [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► what was the point of that I don't even [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► stand you okay wait I want to represent [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► a counter-narrative to dance narrative [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► which is threatening to overwhelm this [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► podcast which is there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► and I quite like there's a lot of great [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► ideas i don't think your disagreement [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► that entirely there i mean it's it's [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► kind of like you know let's let's say [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► maybe i'll open his notebook of things [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► to write books about it seems like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► rather than then have a compelling [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► character driven narrative and through [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► which he can tell a story of a world or [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► even vice versa [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► it was i've got a bunch of stuff here [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that doesn't fit the other books i'm [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► gonna stick it in there and i will use [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► one character to bind it up but I mean [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► like the so so I like two parts of it [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► and some of it is very clever something [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that I found somewhat moving but then it [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► becomes but this so conventional for [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► being so weird [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the resolution was really rather [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► disappointing and i think i think it [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► starts out I me and them suffers from [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► this little bit we're by the time you [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► realize i talked about atoms that [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► rewired my brain like by the time I [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► figured out enough what's going on to [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► actually understand what was being said [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► in the narrative I was so far along that [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► huge book that I didn't worry about some [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► of the plot points and holes whenever it [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► again i feel it's a little weaker in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► this book it's the same thing like [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► you're being battered back and forth by [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► all these interesting new ideas which [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► are very interesting some of which are [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► just like whatever and then you're like [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► oh well the story in the end is kind of [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► you know reason wins [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► yeah why yeah and there's a you know [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► irrational guy who shoots pou li meaning [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► and then in some ways he was a more [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► interesting character to me i mean if [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► you have anybody goes away for like half [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► the book and then he comes back and he's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► like always crazy now every neal [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► stephenson book has a character like the [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► husband becomes strange this novel goes [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► on they come back in like the fifth that [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► you think the book is over and some guy [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► you haven't seen for like two or three [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► acts who is significant like I was it [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► Raven in the crash and is he's in every [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► one of his books as this some but [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► there's always the the sort of stevenson [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► thing in this best books the ones which [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► doesn't have to pull out some deus ex [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► machina a character who haven't here for [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► a while [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► who's seven feet tall or whatever don't [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► ya I'm not that I'm not saying [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► Stevenson's with [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► his flaws but yeah but I'm saying that I [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► think that's that is a typical thing in [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► this book is you get this this character [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► shows up rather late after having a lot [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► of narrative exposition played around [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► with any sort of forgotten but you also [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► know he's coming back right because it's [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► totally and for shadow with oh he went [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► off and no one ever saw him again this [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► is illusionary doing something so I i [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► found that kind of transparent as well i [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► mean i-i you're right down there are [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► interesting ideas here i think a lot of [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► the language stuff as someone who [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► studied linguistics little bit and yeah [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► and really found it fascinating [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► there's some really interesting stuff [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► there um but it was it was hard to get a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► handle on in a way that it worked for [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► the narrative especially when we had [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► spent so much of the the earlier book [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► Johnson around between all these other [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► different i mean for example just [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► there's that whole bit when she learned [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► you're being apart a pilot about the [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► wreck right is this [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► yeah i mean something of this sort of [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► derelict ship right that that's seven [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► areas like a warning like half in and [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► half out of it and there's not really AI [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► I not sure I really understood what the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► point of that was it gets mentioned [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► later on too but I I was like oh yeah [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► that thing I think you're supposed to [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► feel that this planet is out at the end [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► of the world and that beyond lies the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► great question of these are the most [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► alien aliens and we don't really [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► understand them and there's there it's [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► almost like they got here by accident [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► and and other things have been wrecked [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and beyond here there be dragons we [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► don't know what else is out there past [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► this point that sounds like an [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► interesting book i was so right [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► ah yes well I thought I guess I thought [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it was a little more interesting than [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► that i want to talk about the language [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► because i think his he did empty out his [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► sort of sci-fi tropes into this book but [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► a picture of shape and intro word [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► processor the background or foreground [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► tropes and a little bit like an email [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► like you get a red pepper flake in at [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the pizza parlor through maker shake it [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► in but what this book is really about [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► and what he wanted to do was talk about [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► i guess they call it a linguistic [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► relativity now back in my comm major [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► days it was the sapir-whorf hypothesis [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► is the ID [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► yeah that language and thought are [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► interrelated and that the language you [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► use defines how you think and that's [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► what this book is about this book is [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► about a race of aliens who cannot think [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► in anything symbolic everything they say [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► is literal and the advent of these [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► creatures who speak in non-literal terms [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► is a you know there can they're confused [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► and and they're trying to figure out how [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► to interrelate with humans and it leads [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► to all the problems but it also leads to [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the resolution in that once day they [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► can't pollute these this alien race they [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► can you know the alien race starts to [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► learn how to use symbols and in effect [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► even before that there's some of the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► aliens who are trying very hard to lie [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and there's this whole like liars club [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► where they're trying very hard to say [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► things that are counterfactual because [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► they grasp that there is symbology to be [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► had and the whole point of the last part [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► of the book i think is is that is that [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► the way they change the way they think [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► is entirely based on changing their [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► language into a new language and they [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► tear down their old culture and bring up [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► this new culture now how interesting [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► that is and how even likely it would be [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► that you'd have aliens who have this [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► kind of way of thinking i don't know but [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► i thought it was as again as an old com [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► major i thought it was really [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► interesting to have all that talk about [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► similes and she's a simile she has to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► act something out and then they use it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and say oh what you like the girl who's [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► who is it what she was given and there's [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► the guy who dies who swam every day so [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► he's the boy who swam every day and then [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► he dies there like he's the boy swim [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► every day but then he died that day they [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► have to be that literal with it and I [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► thought that was fascinating and how [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► many seconds for you into the novel [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► before me [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► no military the novel you read that part [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► where you thought Darmok and Jalad at [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► tonight it's not this it's not the same [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► it's not the same that you're right [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► because they're recounting well tonight [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► and it's an inverse sort of and it is [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the idea here is that these what if [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► there was a race that can't make symbols [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► that can't think anything but literal [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► facts and then basically the humans come [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► in and completely ruin their entire [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► civilization destroy their planet and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► only out of the rubble [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► are they able to kind of have a rebirth [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► as a erase that can think symbolically [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► basically we suck [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► I mean I like that I I really disliked [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► the whole trope about like or the whole [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► section about the you-know-who [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► hey there's this special ambassador who [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► gets everybody high with his words I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► don't know if felt that totally fell [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► flat for me maybe just because it felt [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► like a generic science-fictiony plot and [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► they sort of alluded to the fact that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the zoo this is part of this like [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► intrigued by the world that we're sort [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► of a colony of but it didn't read they [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► want to sabotage things [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► yeah i mean it because that all gets [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► back loaded into why they're doing this [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► it feels very like very vague and very [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► you know without purpose sorting and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► again it's the is the too many you know [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► not enough space for too many ideas [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► problem right i mean if you could do a [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► whole story about the kind of a colony [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► intrigue among the ambassadors and the [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► fact that this be there so far away from [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► where they're supposed to be what [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► they're supposed to be a colony of that [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► they sort of have broken off and the the [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► other government wants to reinforce its [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► authority over them i mean there's a [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► story there right accepted Leslie just [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► conserve sketched out briefly and then [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► it sort of well there we go [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► well let's move on a lot of the China [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► Mieville stuff a lot of my problems with [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► them can sort of lumped under the [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► category of trying too hard [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► I think he just it sometimes is all of [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► his writing reads just like he's trying [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► too hard to impress somebody and and [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► that bothers me [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► yeah this is what the city in the city [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► works so well as it's much more spare it [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► backs off because of it's sort of any [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► for the very first business in the city [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► where there is a crime scene and they're [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► out there and the detective looks up at [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► a season walking across and then he [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► realizes he has to unsere as she does [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► have me you're like what is that it [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► doesn't explain it is not all this stuff [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► and things just a little off and then it [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► slowly you know sort of viruses open as [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► you get this story is very minimal and [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► and it works because it's also hooked on [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► a a plot that your shape or structure [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► that you understand right there's a [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► murder [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► we've got a detective in like that that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► Italy [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► gives you an entry into the plot and you [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► can deal with the fact that there are [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► weird things going on somewhere else [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► because you sort of have that to cling [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► to until you sort of get your feet and [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► figure out what's going on in this world [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► whereas in this one if he's if that [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► structure was ostensibly like it's a [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► space opera it doesn't really work as [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► that like to me that structure of [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► totally fell flat it's not a space opera [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► is based on a space opera Scott you [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► didn't tell us what you thought of the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► book what can you share a little bit now [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► can you reveal my trap [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► can you open the envelope and tell us [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► what's in it now Scott well other than a [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► reading the whole book and expecting [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► some kind of space battle to happen [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► given all my kid and then be very [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► disappointed at the end because they [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► were normally when I don't know man in [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the astronaut suit with the sword and [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► the laser on the cover was really unfair [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► it was just miss misleading as well put [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► but that being said besides that myspace [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► up for disappointment i was intrigued by [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► the idea that I had no idea what was [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► going on for a large part of the book [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► and I think that that was I don't know [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► if this is me projecting onto what kind [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► of media was trying to do but the aliens [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► in the book are presented as so alien [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that the people on the planet just can't [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► understand them and so I thought that he [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► was trying to replicate that to have the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► reader go through that similar [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► experience by just being completely [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► confused by the book for a vast majority [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► mission you didn't you didn't get that [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► feeling that that humans were living at [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► the mercy of these strange aliens and [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► nobody understands them and if the air [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► bubble goes away tomorrow we all die and [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► living in that environment like that [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► there's a really evocative seen early on [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► where the kids play how far you get out [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► of the air bubble not and how far you [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► can touch out of the air bubble and then [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like a kid collapse this and almost gets [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► brain damage to the aliens have to bring [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► back in its good time you know that was [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► that was that was kind of Awesome [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► actually so it was a pocket of that way [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► and I remember early on in the book I [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► was reading it and and he talks about I [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► guess what [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the characters is looking at the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► cityscape right and he talks about she's [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► looking at these factories and she's [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► like oh and the factories were grazing [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► and I was like but how do factories [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► great is it was like I don't understand [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► what I'm reading [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► did I did I have a stroke is what i [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► understand i had not only specific [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► stroke reading something in which i am [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► someone more like there's something at [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► this point especially in science fiction [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► i think we talked about this auto [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► previous podcast extensive a fantasy [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► reader Dan Moore and noted that we were [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► impressed about something he said you [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► know it's he felt like you before and [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► probably more extensive fantasy wedding [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► then maybe the rest of us had already [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► felt it was more commonly expressed [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► ideas and I think I feel on the syfy [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► realm you know I've been reading some of [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the new weird stuff i've been reading a [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► lot of complications anthologies this [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► podcast is really provoked me to open up [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► a lot of very contemporary syfy reading [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that I think I'd had walked away from [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► including someone like Ian banks and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► some of the space opera that is out [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► there now that truly is space opera and [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► it's hard to find new ideas you know [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► sometimes I'll read stuff this 80 years [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► old I feel like it has newer ideas than [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► anyone's exploring today so I respect [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► and love the idea that i can open up a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► book like embassy town and be baffled [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► and confused and hope that the author is [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► going to take me a hand at some point or [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► give me the tools to understand it and [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► and that's sort of a marvelous thing and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► that's one of his characteristics is [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► that you really have to stumble around [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► his world before you figure out what it [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► is in this case you're like oh well haha [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► you know that didn't turn out to be so [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► interesting after all did it [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► I what I just wish I just wish it was [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► more to a better story I guess what I [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► feel like there you can do that I think [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► you can do that and still tell an [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► interesting and engaging narrative [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that's really I just don't think [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► happened here but I i don't think the [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► story matters in this book i think it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► and the characters really don't matter i [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► think what he was doing is is this kind [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► of rumination also the readers don't [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► matter [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► well the readers probably don't matter [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► either way he's at this point the book [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► on your desk and just let it sit let me [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► know but you know there is something to [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► be said he China Mieville is at the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► point in his career right where you can [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► basically write whatever he wants [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► so I don't think he really cares what [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► people what readers are getting out of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► this book I think he just wanted [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► to have an exercise and think about [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► language and a if you look at it in that [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► kind of rubric I think the book is [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► successful if you're looking at it as I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► want to read a entertaining story maybe [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► you should not read this book because [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► the story is the weakest element i think [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► of the whole thing no it's about it's [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► about i did there a lot of ideas there's [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► some beautifully written passages but [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► but I think that's absolutely i really [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► enjoyed it but I I think that's [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► absolutely fair that the the story isn't [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► what it's about [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► and although I on a grand scale i think [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► the story could have been much more [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► interesting than it was which goes to [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► dance point of of how you know they're [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► there were more interesting things here [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► them maybe that I imagined as i was [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► reading it then are actually on the page [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► which i don't think i can say he invoked [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that I think it was more like I was kind [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► of anticipating where I thought that we [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► go and it didn't but but it was you know [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the ideas are really strong the writing [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► in in large sections is beautiful and I [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► i have a great time reading it because [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► the ideas were so weird and but it [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► wasn't about loving the characters and [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► it wasn't about having it be a gripping [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► you know a gripping overarching story [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► well maybe it in the little the little [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► plot devices they kept going through and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► like for example you've got this this [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► this strange ambassador again and at [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► some point they allude to the fact that [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► one of the guys in that pair you know [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► because this is what they're weird pair [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► because they're not like raised from [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► youth together and they're not like [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► clones exactly or whatever and then they [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► mentioned that just like this one you [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► know one of the two of the pair is just [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like oh he's you know empathic or [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► whatever it's like well that was they [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► have those were like 400 pages into this [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► book we we're introducing an entirely [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► new plot element felt like but it just [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► sorta gets thrown by the wayside again [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► there's just again too much too much [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► that needed to be simplified I think it [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► needed a a a more discreet thrust of you [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► know what are you talking about rather [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► than going off every which way an [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► article I read about China Mieville said [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► that he wants to write a novel in every [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► genre and i think he just did [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► dramatic company [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► haha bugs were good but to me this was [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► his space opera this was his you know [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► sci-fi hard sci-fi novel or whatever [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► however you want to call it and and I'm [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► going hard side and i read that well [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► whatever it is this is his of that haha [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► i don't know what this this is just [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► regular syfy novel so this is going to [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► make a joke about him running or western [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and I realized okay i actually redtube [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► yeah he wrote that was probably a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► Western it wasn't very good see so so he [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► wants to write a book and every genre [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► and this is a sci-fi and i feel like [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► because of that that's why we got the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► emptying out his bag of of ideas that he [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► wanted to use in a sci-fi novel and just [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► pour them all in here because some other [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► writer and perhaps a less ambitious [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► writer would have taken these ideas and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► said i'm going to write a second book [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► series set in the inverse and it's going [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► to make this is gonna be over here and [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► there's gonna be a thing on the planet [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► is going to be the story of the hosts [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► and that'll be you know it's a trilogy [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► about that and and instead he's like no [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► no I'm not gonna do that i'm going to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► i'm just-just the one let's just stick [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► it all in there [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► yeah that's why I think that's the way [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► it does and there's something there's [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► something there's something admirable [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► undermine yeah expectations I I rude and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► I think they needed try to do that I i [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► mean i just i think we differ on how [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► successful i see you get this was the [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► book so the question I have for you guys [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► is how do you picture how do you picture [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► the host what do you think they look [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► like I i can tell you how I picture them [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► and maybe and maybe scott scott might be [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the one who actually find this most [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► interesting i kind of picture them like [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► there's a creature in dungeons dragons [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► called the beholder which is like this [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► floating fleshy or with a big I and I [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► pictured it kind of looking like one of [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► those but with a pair of wings or [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► something i really had a very hard time [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► because every time he would add another [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► feature in there like it seemed like [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► they were their descriptions were doled [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► out piecemeal right [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► it felt to me very much like at various [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► points to refer to very feature various [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► features and be like whoa [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► these guys have like feet hold on i [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► gotta rethink this ok so my cup holder [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► with feet it was constantly changing [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► that was the trouble I had was I that is [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► how I when they were first introduced [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► that was how I picture them and then as [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► i continue reading through the book they [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► kept adding features that were at odds [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► with that pic [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► sure and so I ended up with just like I [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► have no idea what these look like an [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► early did they have eyes are they I i [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► win it's like Doc's I stocks that's it [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► ok I stock that's a lesser known as [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► Martha so Scott what did you say what [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► did you think I I saw them as just big [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► Beatles I guess which is kind of lame [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► but that's making that George John it's [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► a giant Ringo is what I that's [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► terrifying also what about you climb i [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► was thinking big bug sort of like more [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like mosquitoes with long proboscis 'as [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► and provides I and but like weird flippy [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► eyes [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► yeah I thought it was a rack from space [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► coast oh yes I think you're right Jason [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► yeah yeah so Rach the bandleader from [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► basically that's I pictured a whole [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► planet of his or acts tearing they're [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► tearing their hearing limps off in order [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► to the other themselves and then they [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► got war that's a planet i would like to [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► visit [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► I'm so Rex this is long and and our [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► protagonist of space go see he could [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► have written that would have been a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► space on I would recognize like that but [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► you read this transition [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► damn it you can't actually does he get [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► well that's I've for China Mieville next [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► book which will be all about done [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► reading things who know China move wants [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► to write a book about [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► talk shows that's the next time only [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► perhaps Scott has written a book yet [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► about 19th century detectives in you [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► know he has not that it would be really [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► weird so I would like his I'm sure [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► noseby operates the book about if you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► want something done reading does that [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► mean that we lose the knowledge of all [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► the other books is written [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► please please please put our sorry that [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► was mean that was that was read [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► I'm sorry he's he's a large man and he [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► can beat you up [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► wait wait he has written a book about [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► done reading that's what crackin is [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► about i would see now okay now Glenn [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► tell me because you were I've had [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► cracking on my list for all in fact I i [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► tried to get a library and through [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► mishap didn't end up with it but I is [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► what was what way what was the mishap [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► no I i was out of town and it was it [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► appeared while I was out of town so i [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► could not retrieve it in time [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► now I want to know do you think based on [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► on my history with trying to meet my [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► personal history them clearly i like the [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► city and citi did not care as much for [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► embassy town do you think i would enjoy [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► cracking I yeah i think what i can tell [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► you for sure i will tell you crack it [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► has a much it has a it has a crack is a [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► story that has a plot that is like a [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► railroad train barreling down you know [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► 80 miles an hour the track even when [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► it's on the siding like you're going [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► along the track you like fuckin shaky [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► going to don't ya [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► look you know so even when it's [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► ridiculous the plot keeps advancing at [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► one point there's literally almost a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► speed like thing in which they're in a [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► vehicle with like a guy with a living [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► tattoo on his back [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that's driving like all through London [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and they can't really stop because [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► they'll be tracked and there's people [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► who talk to the earth and its it's crazy [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► but it's not shambolic like the embassy [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► town where it's all kinds of things all [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► over the place they don't seem to relate [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► like cracking is sort of a rollicking [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► tail and you gotta stick with it but [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► there's a like consistent things that [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► happen there is sort of magic there's [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► some crazy stuff and like the one bit i [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► love is that the ocean like the actual [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► ocean has an embassy is a house that's [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► like full of water and fish like you can [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► go to it but it's so you have to sort of [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► find it i don't recall Aquaman except [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► for a temper Aquaman [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► it's very unlikely that the crack is [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► very cool feeling is very very [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► lovecraftian in some ways like that [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► there are horrible giant inconceivably [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► vast forces in which asked as as in one [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► of the books that was written by mr. [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► contribute to the extent of lowes there [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► is traveling circuit they got a lot of [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► consonants I read one it opened a portal [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► to another realm [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► so I stopped my man I i'm intrigued [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► because you know based on the little bit [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► that I've read and what you said it [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► sounds it kind of sounds kind of neil [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► gaiman ish history it's definitely like [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► definitely very neil gaiman relative to [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► other works it's it's I mean there's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► there's sort of a there's a there's a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► story there's a story that's told [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► beginning to end and there is a deus ex [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► machina up again I i do like stories [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► when i read racing amateur stories are a [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► crutch for the energy managers there are [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► some supremely evil characters and i [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► kinda like evil characters that are just [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► so they're they're happily evil they [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► like they commit horrible horrible acts [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► for the pure joy of it and there's [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► something so creepy about that these [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► sort of reminds me actually American [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► non-american gods but the sequel of [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► Anasazi boys are a nancy-boy anansi boys [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► anansi boys much more feeling of bad [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► especially with some of the really evil [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► parts of it but I don't think crack it [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► is i think Kraken is a much better book [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► than embassy town it's not full of [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► nearly as many ideas and it's clearly [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► written to be like part of a series it's [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► got a detective story in it too i mean [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► it's really at some level there's these [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► guys from a sort of supernatural [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► effective force it's part of London [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► Metropolitan Police Force apparently [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► they were you tell me about this the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► more I want to read it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► good that's maybe i'll definitely know [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► that the definition of a good book [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► the thing is it was gonna say like this [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► it's a it's a it's a rambling story but [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► it's rollicking so like it runs all over [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► the place but there's always somebody [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► chasing the hero who is sort of not [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► intended to be a hero and there's a lot [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► of misdirection but the misdirection was [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► being played out as opposed to [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► frustrating you alright so you can you [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► can read that while i check out in [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► london which is his young adult novel [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► that he wrote right before the city in [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► the city which is supposed to be quite [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► good and one a few awards and I know [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► that's going to be the next up on my [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► wife's reading list [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► because uh I think she's intrigued by [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► the idea that he did why a novel that's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► about this the on its unlocked undone is [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the name of it but it's unloadin it's a [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► nonsensical mirror version of London [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► that these girls travel to so like the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► city in the city for kids you know you [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► know for creating a little extra special [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► horror just a little bit of extra floor [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► I you know and I feel like I I feel like [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► I come on you're away from the sounding [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► like sending like a hater yes I i do [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► tonight and yeah I'm not okay well I'll [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► be John Syracuse for this evening i [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► think that he is a I don't think he's a [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► bad writer i mean i think i find his [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► stuff intriguing i just don't I can't I [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► don't find it enjoyable if that's a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► distinction to make [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► i can see that i can say that to you [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► know maybe that's a failing on my part [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► but he's challenging he's a very [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► challenging writer and I think he's a [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► very good writer but i'm not sure if [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► he's everybody's cup of tea right i mean [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► i can see that he's piece certainly not [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► everybody's cup of tea [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► no and I I you know I'm not trying to [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► save the ground up into class in the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► teacup so strata not my cup is made of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► mrs. head there's no tiene something [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► almost but not entirely unlike t.o.o [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► moose head full of glass [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► okay that explains why i don't care for [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► I I you know I know I don't say that's [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► AI just like you know challenging [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► writers or I don't like people who [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► challenge me I mean I quite enjoyed I [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► think you know an anthem was brought up [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► as a as a as a corresponding or a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► similar book i really enjoyed an atom [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► but something about something about me [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► bills i think you know especially with [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► his earlier stuff which i think was very [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► widely liked because it was so [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► off-putting in some ways right it was [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it's kind of an almost Brechtian and [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► it's sort of like alienation techniques [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► that I i think that that that was you [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► oh look this is a breath of fresh air [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► it's a totally new it's not like [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► anything before [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► yeah and and maybe I felt like it was to [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► alienating to the point of not having [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► any ability to get immersed in it and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► maybe i just i prefer books that you can [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► get a little more immersed in that you [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► have a sort of grounding in and I feel [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► like he enjoyed [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► always very much pulling the rugs out [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► and maybe just a little too much for me [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► so we we've had a lot of different [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► opinions about embassy town but i would [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► like to know and we can go around the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► horn Iraq from space ghost is my answer [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► is that your answer to everything and a [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► good answer it is i have to be wanted [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► for lunch one day this is our actual [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► space goes like I was great i wish i was [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► praying mantis for lunch let the man [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► asked his question we have scott i have [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► a very simple question would you [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► recommend this book to a fellow sci-fi [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► reader [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► wow I i think i recommended it's dan so [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► no no I mean I I keep reading despite [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► the fact that apparently I I don't care [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► for all of his books keep reading them [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► and every time it comes up with you and [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► I'm like I'll put that on my list [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► because he's interesting this is I said [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I'm not necessarily enjoyable but [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► interesting but you wouldn't recommend [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► it to somebody else I die in fact and i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► recommended to some of the other one so [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► i guess that answers your question did [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► you just smack them how do you anti [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► recommend something I said don't read [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► this book [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► don't leave this pic and buy this one [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► from me don't know I keep it I keep it [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► on my bookshelf is a you know a badge of [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► honor or as a warning to the other books [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► yes a reminder i recommend this book to [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► my wife who does not read lots of [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► science fiction and she in fact is just [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► about to finish it so I'm speaking to [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► you from the living room couch where [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► I'll be sleeping for the next we know [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► yet and apparently she's still your wife [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► continues to be enjoying it at its out [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► of her comfort zone but I think in I [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► think she appreciates it because it's so [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► different and there's a lot of [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► interesting stuff in it but she's not a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► regular sci-fi reader so I think for her [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► perspective it's kind of interesting to [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► have the ideas of 18 different sci-fi [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► novel active 21 [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► it's like a 0 a brief history of science [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► fiction it's a variety of fun constant [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► concentrated science fiction yeah just [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► add water a master's class problems i [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► would i would recommend this to someone [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► who has a tolerance for reading or and [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► be involved with our ever read now let [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► me tell you a good one of my fan [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► this to use the theme of this which is [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the theme of this novel a my steam [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► college carlson and my wife Lynn and I [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► want to dance performance several years [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► ago and it was so incomprehensible and [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► band bad but well-executed we were angry [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► people were walking out in the middle of [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► singing angrily standing up during this [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► performance people running around the [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► stage and playing off to music and we're [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► leaving the theater I don't know how [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► many times I've ever seen that and we [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► left and we were so angry about and we [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► talked about it why we were angry about [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► how awful it was we hated even was very [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► well done at the same sort of feeling [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► about this novel not quite as angry but [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► i would recommend somebody who wanted to [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► experiment it's a range of emotions on [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► reading and want to be exposed to a lot [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► of interesting ideas but who would you [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► know it's a you might be ultimately [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► completely unsatisfied with how this [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► holds up as a novel I i have to say [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► there's a certain i don't want a [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► perverse satisfaction but you know there [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► is something for me to i feel like often [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► i like at like a lot of stood like [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► everything to a certain extent like I'm [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► very tall I very you know i'll watch [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► terrible movies and say yeah there's [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► some redeeming value to that or whatever [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► and sometimes I think like maybe I'm not [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► critical enough so it was it was [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► refreshing for me to find a book that I [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► could read that I Mike did not like this [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► yeah and and I mean but it's still you [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► know in in ways that made me think [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► critically about what it was I did not [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► like about it and I think there's a [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► value to that there's a value to reading [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► something that you disagree with [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► yes and thinking well why did I not like [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► this or what was it about this i did not [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► find appealing we all agree he's a [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► fabulous mesa he's a very interesting [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► thoughtful writer with an enormous [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► number i listened as think this is not a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► poorly written novel it's just now [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► doesn't pull together in the way that we [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► want something that satisfying to but [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► and he'll write you know he'll write [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► more that does and does not of course [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► Scott and I seem to like it so that's [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► true i I really did enjoy it but I [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► wouldn't recommend it to China little [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► thing and in fact my wife was like oh [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► should i read that every town book that [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► you said you liked so much i said a reed [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► city in the city [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► yes yeah well that's what I told my [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► friend whenever we were talking about [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► anything he in fact is i think to just [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► like him more than I did and I said well [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► you know if you're going to read one [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► read the city in the city [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► not embassy I'd agree with that even I [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► who enjoyed embassy town a lot would [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► agree that the city in the city is [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► better and it's much more accessible [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► yes yeah well you know what you're [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► seeing is a as a new war kind of student [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► detective story even though it's got a [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► strange spin and so it's a little more [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► recognizable you're marrying a weird the [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► weirdness with something that is [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► understandable [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► yeah that's a good combination and it's [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► not the the very language itself is not [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► fighting you which is helpful some of it [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► is but not so much it seems it's just [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► you feel like you turned your head like [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► three degrees away from normal as [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► opposed to those are right it's kind of [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► it's kind of out of phase but not [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► actively punching you punching you [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► so now it comes time on our podcast for [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► us to to answer that musical question [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► what are you reading [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► dan what are you reading I am reading a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► dance with dragons actually because it's [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► really long and it's taken me some time [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► because i don't get as much opportunity [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► to read as i would like so the latest [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► george RR martin book i'm only like a [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► couple hundred pages in I think there's [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► like 800 that is gonna go or something [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► out of desperation lobs it's yeah I I [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it's interesting so far although I a [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► part of me feels like I'm reading it out [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► of obligation [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► I'm waiting for it to pick up the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► problem for me is also that I last read [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► i read the previous book when it came [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► out you know six years ago [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► yeah we'll have to have a whole podcast [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► on that book i just finished it myself I [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► i had to go reread you know the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► wikipedia recap pages and everything [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► like all right where were we in this [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► massive story it's like people keep [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► trying to convince me that the after [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► robert jordan passed away the guy who [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► took over writing wheel times like all [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► those books are actually pretty good i'm [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► like yeah but I stopped reading like [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► halfway through that series which means [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► there's like four or five books I gotta [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► get through that are that you've already [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► admitted to me are basically crap so yes [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► all right enjoy it so far but looking [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► for other interesting things to read [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► anything else you've read recently I [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► guess embassy town was the most recent [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► yet before that i reread a classic the [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► princess of mars edgar rice burroughs in [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► preparation for there is a John Carter [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► coming out next year i believe yesterday [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► and I've never write about friday night [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► lights in space [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► I had never read any of his stuff and [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► thought it interesting very reminiscent [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► of course of the stuff of that era but [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► interesting I i enjoyed it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► all right Scott what are you reading uh [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► that is a good question i am reading the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► second book in this trilogy of the book [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► is called the unincorporated war which [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► is a sequel to a book called the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► unincorporated man and the next book of [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► the trilogy is called the unincorporated [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► woman who I know they love the word [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► unincorporated and it's not sure they [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► are they are they are they anti-business [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► they are well it's an interesting that's [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► an interesting question because uh so [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► points I didn't mean for it to be but [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► hey i love but sometimes that works out [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► I so it's set in the future like maybe [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► 400 years into the future where it's [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► kind of like a libertarian stream [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► corporations run the galaxy one of the [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► galaxy but the the star system and [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► everyone when you're born you are [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► incorporated so you have stock you have [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► a ten i think a hundred thousand shares [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► of stock in yourself and upon birth 5% [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► of it is given to the government twenty [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► percent of it is given to your parents [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► and then the rest you can sell to on the [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► open market and so people own staff can [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► other people and the the whole system is [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► based on whoever owns the majority in [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► you gets to tell you what to do in [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► general it's a corporation so they send [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► you off to like Neptune or or whatever [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► they want to do with as you do as you do [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► and then so the people in this this time [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► period want to earn enough money so they [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► can have a majority of themselves and [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► they can do whatever they want and [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► through the in the first chapter of the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► unincorporated man there's a tunnel and [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► there's this guy digging in this tunnel [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► because that's his job because the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► tunnel company tumbling company owns hit [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► the majority of his stock and it comes [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► across this [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► a black cube but he doesn't know what it [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► is and turns out it's a cryogenic [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► suspension to a thing and inside is a [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► justin cord who is the unincorporated [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► man he's from 350 years ago he comes [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► into the system and he said he was a [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► billionaire and so he makes some trouble [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and and hilarity ensues [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► all right there m and sequel will be the [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► unincorporated city limits explain [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► enjoyed the the unincorporated dog to [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► that's the kids but the unincorporated [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► hey lyst rated man that's right see [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► spots incorporate no see splice site [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► paper add cilantro and a little [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► recreation i'm holding off the limited [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► liability man myself [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► excellent but you it's good glad what [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► are you reading [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► what am I reading I can i mentioned a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► comic book series [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► yes know that reading I'm yeah I'm a [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► little bit behind insurance but it's not [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► reading I've been sort of following the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► whole wheat on the podcast on the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► darkest night by this day decent comics [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► arc green later and we happen real and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► over with discuss I kind of fell into it [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► by getting some bound anthologies of I [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► thought you already told us this one [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► have you already mentioned this in [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► another podcast this is a repeat when I [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► just tightening I couldn't see how [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► you're still realize 300 terrorists go I [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► don't blackest night was all collected [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► and I read it and thought it was [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► slightly incomprehensible that sort of [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► interesting and way too many colors the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► Green Lantern spectrum nonsense too many [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► colors right that's my favorite review [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► ever of green lantern my favorite your [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► evergreen later too many colors the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► colors as it is green [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► Oh car apparently I'm an idiot [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► what are you some sort of unincorporated [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► man haha i've also colorblind american [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► martyrs in the DC Comics universe are [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► afraid every color all great to me [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the Greatland it's emotion so you moved [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► on from blackest night two brightest day [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► to stay with the series ended i think it [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► was an april and I've been reading with [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► online comics so I don't think all the [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► way I don't think many other day and [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► date but they're not that far behind [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► so i just finished so the 24 comic arc [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► not sure I even read all of them and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► again it's a fascinating comes leaping [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► across different books and there's dead [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► man is always like the dead man [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► character Boston brand the circus circus [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► aerialist to dies shot and then has to [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► sort of Rome is a ghost in the quantum [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► leap like helping people to wind up you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► know somehow redeem his soul from [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► Krishna the very interesting weird [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► little character so he's that he's our [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► hero antihero and it's a weird little [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► story arc again it's like I'm not quite [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► sure it's sort of Kwazii religious that [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► gets very captain planet e and I don't [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► know DC is now that after this requested [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► this whole enormous multi-year arc and [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► their bit blown up the universe with the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► with the reboot anyway so i have no idea [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► what's going on the DC Comics universe [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► alright but that's what I was reading [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► but you're reading it well apparently [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► yeah but after the end of you know what [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► is the summer that everything changes [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► everyone changes especially as again [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► uh-huh Jason what are you reading thank [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► you blend thanks for caring lied to her [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► is it is a comic book haha not so I I've [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► just finished a dance with dragons love [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► so we can talk about that on a [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► forthcoming podcast perhaps and I have [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► next to me here in fact i have the wise [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► man's fear by Patrick Rothfuss which I [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► was complaining to my wife that it's out [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► in hardcover and and it's huge and you [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► know it's a thirty-dollar hardcover but [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► the kindle version is even fifteen [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► dollars and I thought I don't want to [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► read it that badly and she said you know [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► you could get it for free at the library [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► hmm and so doctor today and the library [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► copy of the wise man's fear is sitting [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► right here so i guess i'm going to read [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► a paper book guys and other people have [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► touched it I'm right you should wear [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► gloves [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► it's heavy it's very happy I get paper [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► cuts mostly human skin [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► that's right yikes you can't see me [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► cringe but i am and the other book that [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► i read recently in July went to the last [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► space shuttle launch in Florida nothing [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► like Florida in July whoo yeah that's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► some humidity only and all the way there [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► i read a memoir by a guy [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► named Mike Mullane who is a shuttle [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► astronaut called riding Rockets and it [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► is a very forthright and humorous and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► somewhat dirty memoir of what it was [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► like to be a space shuttle uh to be a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Space Shuttle astronaut including how [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► he's very open about the fact that he [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► was he and several of his fellow [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► athletes astronauts were sexist pigs to [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► the first group of women astronauts and [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► how in the end the women gave as good as [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► they got and and educated many of these [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► arrested development astronauts about [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► what it was like to work with women in a [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► professional environment so that's [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► there's some good stuff in there last of [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► about challenger because the the group [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► of astronauts that he trained with [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► included the Challenger astronauts and [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► its really really great story a lot of [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► fun mayara our friend and co-worker [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► shall we McFarland actually recommended [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► it to me and it's a quite good so riding [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► Rockets by Mike Mullane was my little [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► shot of nonfiction in amidst the dragons [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► and and aliens that look like zorak from [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► space ghost I i also read that astronaut [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► book even even when you read nonfiction [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► into that space [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► exactly it's good stick to what you know [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► that's what I'm trying I'm trying to be [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► well-rounded and completely [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► one-dimensional way [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► are there any Zeppelin's anybody read [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► anything with the Zeppelin's in it [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► mmm-no i started watching Rocketeer [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► night i was just wondering like there's [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► applets I was recently in a few words [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► that 1i was in a giant three regional [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► had is set up 10 have original [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► hand-drawn pictures of eight dirigible [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► stored inside during world war 2i i have [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► i was in the same digital hanger when [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► you were i know a lot of time [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► no we're different times in total luck [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► or again I was watching you like that [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► with three of its scary no knockers [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► listening to some words that 1i was [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► literally the future Zeppelin stalkers [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► will be a good name for baby only thing [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► that I am the only event only thing I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► came home from comic-con with that I [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► paid for not sort of the here happen [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► have [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► great piece of crap is that contagious [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► disease right now but it was very now [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► the other you have the coldest free is a [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► poster from a comic book of a schematic [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► of a Zeppelin actually have an airship a [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► rigid airship and I thought I walked up [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► to the guy and I said I find your [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► illustrations of Zeppelin's intriguing [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► which is the first time I've ever said [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► that to anybody but not the latter worst [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► worst pickup line everything he said [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► tell me more so I bought Zeppelin [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► picture for five dollars and buy dollars [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that sheep that's why I know what's good [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► for a Zeppelin picture those could go [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► out of there usually go for licensed [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► dollars six dollars [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► yeah Florida comic-con are you now going [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► to try and build your own Zeppelin she [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► started using that as a model yes [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► using the comic-book schematic as a [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► model i will build my own personal [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► Zeppelin for actually my idea is that um [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► what you do is you work a little like [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► mini Zeppelin airbag thing into the roof [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► of your car and then when you're stopped [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► in traffic you present but I think [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► inspector gadget and press the button it [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► inflates you rise up above the traffic [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► you turbofan pops out the back to go [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► over the traffic jam back down on [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► deflate and go that's just great until [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► everybody's that's my invention [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► how do you like and what do you think [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► sirs we've got commercial sign [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► yeah wars up so in the next year we need [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► to make sure we read a book with [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► Zeppelin's and it should be at least [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► twenty percent more simply will always [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► have that this is the longest I've ever [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► been in a book club by the way really [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► this is the only book overwritten it's a [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► whole year and we occasionally don't [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► read the same things and other times we [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► do but so it's an odd book club is an [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► odd book I don't think Oprah would [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► approve [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► I never thought about this book club [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► before he/she called the book club [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► everytime everytime when how many of [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► these have you been on it accidentally [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► at the book club [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► it was all of an oversight which was the [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► part that got away from you the book at [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► the club [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► this podcast is over thanks for [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► listening thanks Scott Mykelti Glenn [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► Fleischmann and angry and until next [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► time when perhaps we will blend will [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► realize he's in a book club done until [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► value this is jason self being [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► comfortable book club [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► sign it off wait a second this is a book [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► club [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► recording already recording recording [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► tall going and I were synchronized [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► podcast it's um yeah there's a lot of [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► tiny little bits in German the beginning [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► until he forgets to use them anymore [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► about but you do you you just summarize [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► a message on every town they don't use [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► it its back and wherever she trained to [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► be a mi pilot that's the German whatever [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► reminds me there's a great bit of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► outside ok we should start anyway I [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► don't have a quarter mine remind me to [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► bring up the whole thing about required [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► but the up-and-up it's a famous bit of [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► recording out at famous bit of a of a [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► more like precursor or science fiction [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► mention ok not recording this is all off [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► the record right all right [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► my lawyers have advised me not to record [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► oh dear well your yes if you try to [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► record me my voice want my daughters to [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► advise me never to repair this podcast [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► again I'm an audio vampire you just [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► don't listen to the lawyers to you can't [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► do I think we lost Scott guys [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah I got to bring him back he [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► called didn't mean to interrupt the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► threadbare calls I mean I suddenly [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► noticed we were we were down a man down [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► a man perhaps he answer his door [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► unwisely he's in the Emperor he didn't [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► answer his door [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► I did I am dead I don't know what [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► happened is frustrating [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► did you rip off your your your hearing [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► limbs up all i'm about to rip off some [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► hearing limbs did you guys catch the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► dawn of the dead reference in their [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► other one last thing you would ever [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► expect in a china mieville novel is a [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► reference to George Romero's dawn of the [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► dead that in this highfalutin novel they [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► were watching basically a george [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► romero's zombie movie film festival as [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► they prepared for death and that little [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► bit would I will say if you want to read [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► a zombie book read this book instead of [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► feed ya niggas out of hand wound for [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► that well but the the guys after they [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► rip off their little like your stocks [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► they're kind of like zombies aren't they [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► sort of very rational zombies though way [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► better feed [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► yeah I yes wow yeah that's the book i [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► wouldn't want to I will maybe I do want [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► to read it I haven't figured out yet [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► I would much up speed and and uses it to [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► grow things in your back yard line 8 [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► while eating the seeds happy about that [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► alright let's not let's not advocate [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► destruction of books and well maybe a [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► little bit of the library book you [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► should return to your library that's if [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► you share and recommend them if you [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► purchase the perhaps you should also [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► return it to your library that will [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► confuse everyone [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► no don't do that and if it's on your [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► kindle do not throw away your kindle [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► just delete the bullet didn't know [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► descended to scott he'll take it from [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► here before you said you're kidding i [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► had a decent this dress stamped envelope [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► to spot at the kindle whisper he can [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► talk to it and get it you know [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► click off the right I know he is loaded [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► on you but it's ok it's ok there are [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► other books out there people will be [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► loaded on your forever huh [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► so come on back [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► it's ok we're all okay it's got his [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► finger hovering over the permanent [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► destruction button in its firmware gonna [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► do it it's gonna jump in the story [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► called out under the left 420 goon books [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► think this is taking on a very strange [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► it is really uncomfortable i can name [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► that we were are you reading [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► whoever jingle and no we don't we just [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► have dan and I singing it badly [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► separation totally different melody yeah [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► okay yeah that's this is not a MTG [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► podcast it's only been a year by the end [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► of year to we'll all be dead but little [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► jingle don't answer the don't answer [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► your donated for the door entry door to [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► the holder recording this recording is [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► over [TS]